The Robin OYL Thread

[Nightwing]

Robin OYL begins next month, written by Adam Beechen and art by Karl Kerschl for issues #148 and #149. Freddie Williams will take over for issue #150.

Pictures.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Mar06/Batman/RobinCv148.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Apr06/Batman/RobinCv139.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/May06/Batman/RobinCv150.jpg

Who do you think could be framing Robin for the murder of Batgirl? What offer will be coming up for the Boy Wonder which he can not refuse? Where will Robin take place in the Titans? How much will he have changed come OYL?

Discuss all of it here.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm actually more curious about what the hell comes of the Veteran's offer that ended the pre-OYL Robin run.

Anyway, about the offer, I think it may be someone really badass but morally ambiguous offering to train Tim. Maybe Deathstroke or Cain or Lady Shiva. I could see any of them framing him for the murder of Batgirl as a test to see if he's worthy of their training. Granted, this is based on nothing more than speculation and my wish for Tim to become a better fighter to complement his already incredible mind.

I'm really looking forward to Kerschl's art on Robin post-OYL. :)

[Anubis]

Man that last pic looks prety sweet.

[Binker]

I wasn't thinking on gettign this along with Nightwing. Should I or maybe wait for the reviews or TPB?

I'm gonna take a guess; I'm gonna need the last three issues of Batgirl aren't I?

[TheCorpulent1]

Probably not. I think all of the OYL issues will explain the OYL status quo. They're supposed to be jumping-on points, after all.

[Nightwing]

I'm actually more curious about what the hell comes of the Veteran's offer that ended the pre-OYL Robin run.

Anyway, about the offer, I think it may be someone really badass but morally ambiguous offering to train Tim. Maybe Deathstroke or Cain or Lady Shiva. I could see any of them framing him for the murder of Batgirl as a test to see if he's worthy of their training. Granted, this is based on nothing more than speculation and my wish for Tim to become a better fighter to complement his already incredible mind.

I'm really looking forward to Kerschl's art on Robin post-OYL. :)

I don't think it'll be Deathstroke, only cause it seems he'll be fairly busy during OYL with Green Arrow. But then again, it's just your view of seeing it as you said. The end of the issue where Veteran asks him if he's made up his decision, definitely left me on the edge. Veteran for sure will play a big role in Robin, and who knows he could be the one behind the whole framing....Just adding some more speculation ofcourse. Shiva is someone to look out for, considering she put Cass in the Lazarus Pit and then answered her questions about being her mother. After we see Shiva ordering Batgirl to kill her.

Man that last pic looks prety sweet.

Looks like he's striking a Batman pose....

[TheCorpulent1]

I think Robin might've accepted the Veteran's offer and become a little more hardened as a result of working with soldiers for the past year. Batman's comics imply that their relationship has changed post-OYL, and that could be why.

[GoldenAgeHero]

that would suck. veteran stealing robin away from bats...ah well.

[roach]

I am digging that new costume

[ToddIsDead]

Aren't Batman and Robin going to be working together somewhere away from Gotham during 52 while Question takes care of Gotham? And then they come back OYL?

[slipalong]

batgirl's alive then??? :eek:

[twylight]

batgirl's alive then??? :eek:
As of last week she was.

Didn't you read Batgirl last week slippy? :confused: :p

[slipalong]

Apparently not....

Just on Marvel at the mo' but seriously jonesin' for the new Blue Beetle run!!

[TimDrake64x]

anyone thinkt the offer is the one from veteran?

[Nightwing]

I am digging that new costume

It's freakin sweet.

anyone thinkt the offer is the one from veteran?

No, Veteran is already offering Robin the offer to join him which we'll see what he said to him when OYL begins next month. Sides, the description for the May issue states the new offer he receives is one he may not live to refuse. It's someone else behind it all, atleast I think so....

[boywondernerdDC]

i love that picture of robin swinging withe new costume very awesome

[TheCorpulent1]

Apparently I'm the odd man out. I hate his new costume more and more every time I see it.
that would suck. veteran stealing robin away from bats...ah well.
Why does it suck? If Robin does work for the Veteran, it'll be contained within 52 so you wouldn't even have to read about it. We already know his post-OYL status is that he's on the run from the cops.
Aren't Batman and Robin going to be working together somewhere away from Gotham during 52 while Question takes care of Gotham? And then they come back OYL?
Was it specified that they'd be together? I thought they were both just supposed to be away from Gotham for 52 and come back at the start of the OYL issues. Robin could've been off on missions for the Veteran as easily as he could've been working with Batman during 52.

[ToddIsDead]

Apparently I'm the odd man out. I hate his new costume more and more every time I see it.
Was it specified that they'd be together? I thought they were both just supposed to be away from Gotham for 52 and come back at the start of the OYL issues. Robin could've been off on missions for the Veteran as easily as he could've been working with Batman during 52.
I wasn't sure. That's why I asked. I think I might have read it somewhere but I could have just as easily dreamt it up.

And I really don't like his new costume.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Apparently I'm the odd man out. I hate his new costume more and more every time I see it.

Why does it suck? If Robin does work for the Veteran, it'll be contained within 52 so you wouldn't even have to read about it. We already know his post-OYL status is that he's on the run from the cops.


thats only for 3 issues tho.

[jaydawg]

Your not alone Corp. I hate the "new" look too because DC was too lazy to actually make something new. If anything, he looks more like a child to me. Honestly, who decides when making a post-60s costume to include underware on the outside? Its 2006 for godsake. If the covers implys anything, he's more cartoonish than ever.

[deemar325]

Cool art! Robin looks spiffy!

[TheCorpulent1]

thats only for 3 issues tho.
So?

[batnkevlar]

Yeah, Robin's lookin a bit crawny at what, 17? Grayson was WAY buffer at that age...

[HNutz]

I dunno... with Willingham leaving, I'd be REALLY surprised if anyone followed up with the Veteran...

[TheCorpulent1]

I wouldn't. DC books are usually pretty good at tying up loose ends.

[chuckymack]

Well, I really dig Tim's new suit, especially the gauntlets and the pouchy-belt. But, not the trunks. They just don't look right to me, for some reason. And, yes, the folks at DC at least TRY to tie up the loose ends when switching creative teams.

Really, I'm just glad they got rid of that God-awful belt of his. And the bumps on the sleeves and gloves. What was up with those, anyway?

[HNutz]

Honestly, who decides when making a post-60s costume to include underware on the outside?

It's REALLY weird when you see a bad @$$ mo fo like Deathstoke wearing the orange underwear in an otherwise kick A outfit...

And, TheCorpulent... guess I should clarify. I guess I'd be surprised to see Robin actually JOIN the Veteran what with Willingham leaving the title. I'd like to be proved wrong, of course... I wonder if having to write out three characters because of crossovers (the Dad in Identity Crisis, after he found out who he was, Spoiler, his ex- and Laura, his wanna-be mob g/f... and having to change locale's) had to do anything with him leaving, or if it's just Willingham writing AND drawing a new book post-OYL?

[TheCorpulent1]

Like I said to GAH, if Robin accepted the Veteran's offer, his tenure with the Veteran would probably just serve as the explanation for why he was away from Gotham for 52. It'd all be contained in there and lead into the post-OYL status quo with Robin on the run from the cops. Not exactly a big deal to mention that Robin was off with the Veteran and his team over the 52 year.

[dcbmp]

Robin's OYL costume is the costume Tim Drake wore in B:TAS with the cape of the Teen Titans GO Robin. So much for thinking of something new.

[dcbmp]

It's REALLY weird when you see a bad @$$ mo fo like Deathstoke wearing the orange underwear in an otherwise kick A outfit...

And, TheCorpulent... guess I should clarify. I guess I'd be surprised to see Robin actually JOIN the Veteran what with Willingham leaving the title. I'd like to be proved wrong, of course... I wonder if having to write out three characters because of crossovers (the Dad in Identity Crisis, after he found out who he was, Spoiler, his ex- and Laura, his wanna-be mob g/f... and having to change locale's) had to do anything with him leaving, or if it's just Willingham writing AND drawing a new book post-OYL?
Maybe the "underwear" is sown into the pants? Or it's armored(like a protection cup with kevlar'that would work for Batman and Deathstroke, but you run into a problem with Superman')? They should give us SOME EXPLAINATION!!!!!

[TheCorpulent1]

He really does look younger in that costume somehow...

[TimDrake64x]

i think he jsut looks younger in the picture where he is on the ceiling, not when hes swinging and thats just cause of the art

[Nightwing]

Amazing though, Daniel makes him look much older when he draws him in Teen Titans...

[Binker]

I love Robin's new costume. The reason is that I see that costume more of what, not just Tim, but Dick Grayson also would wear.

Batman saw Grayson as a son of his, so if Grayson wore that costume that would fit in that picture of father and son, mentor and the student. And Tim Drake is a detective just like Batman so the costume he'll wear next month fits him perfectly.

I still like the previous costume because that was the first no bad, not campy/crappy, more realistic costume for someone to wear. And only to a degree can I say Robin's opriginal costume was good for only a 10-12 age boy to wear. But on that note, the more moderization of the original costume seen in Teen Titans animated was better for today's world on that old design.

[Nightwing]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Robin/RobinSketches.jpg

[GoldenAgeHero]

I think Robin might've accepted the Veteran's offer and become a little more hardened as a result of working with soldiers for the past year. Batman's comics imply that their relationship has changed post-OYL, and that could be why.


apparently your theary has been thrown out. robin is with bats OYL.

[TheCorpulent1]

apparently your theary has been thrown out. robin is with bats OYL.
You obviously didn't understand my theory (with an "o," by the way). I said that Robin might have accepted the Veteran's offer and been working with him for the missing year. The 52 year. The year before OYL. That doesn't conflict with Robin's being back with Batman post-OYL.

[Hellstormer]

You think that third picks great well I bet I can make it look horribel to you click here (http://homepage.mac.com/alexsanchez/.Pictures/host/robincv1501oo.jpg) and if you can still look at it after that here's a wallpaper.
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4714/r16qj.jpg

[Nightwing]

June solicit for Robin #151.

ROBIN #151
Written by Adam Beechen
Art by Freddie E. Williams II
Cover by Patrick Gleason & Prentis Rollins
The new leader of the League of Assassins wants Robin - not as a victim, but as a member! And the job offer is more tempting than you might think!
On sale June 21 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US

Seems like this is the new offer Tim recieves, what could the LOA want with him though? Can't wait for this issue...

[Bullseye]

I've read a few issues of Robin, not sure if I will read the OYL issues.

[Nightwing]

OYL begins for him next week, I'm giving it a chance.

[Bullseye]

To me, the only Batman comics that have really been strong are Batman and Detective comics.

Nightwing and Robin are great characters, they've just had bad writers.

[Nightwing]

To me, the only Batman comics that have really been strong are Batman and Detective comics.

Detective Comics OYL so far, has been great. I really enjoyed DC #817, especially with Gordon back as commish. Can't wait for the follow up in Batman #651. Also for Morrison's Batman has reached the top of my list, no more jerk Bats after this arc. And I couldn't be happier...

Nightwing and Robin are great characters, they've just had bad writers.

Both have now been given new writers, hopefully they'll exceed in writing them right. Still not liking the fact that there will be two Nightwings OYL, and Robins new suit is starting to grow on me. Even if it's a rip off of the TAS version.

[Bullseye]

Oh, I'll be reading Nightwing.

If Morrison's Batman is anything like his X-Men run, I'll never read anything Morrison writes again.

[Nightwing]

Oh, I'll be reading Nightwing.

If Morrison's Batman is anything like his X-Men run, I'll never read anything Morrison writes again.

His Batman will be more laid back than the one we know now, and he'll search for his son he had with Talia. Ibn.

[Nightwing]

Cover to #151.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/June06/Batman/RobinCv151.jpg

[GoldenAgeHero]

i doubt itll be his real son

[Nightwing]

i doubt itll be his real son

We'll find out soon.

[TheCorpulent1]

Holy ****, that Robin cover and solicitation gets me very excited. I wonder if the fracture between Tim and Bruce will have to do with Tim's decision to integrate guns into his arsenal. It wouldn't really surprise me, all things considered. We've seen him use one in "Titans Tomorrow" and elements of that are supposed to be bleeding into the mainstream comics, and there are heroes out there who use guns while still adhering to the no-kill rule (Arsenal, for example), and it would make sense for Tim to be comfortable around them if he ends up taking the Veteran up on his offer for the 52 year.

[GoldenAgeHero]

thats pretty sad, i thought tim would learn from his future self, to prevent such a thing. and he the dude has better skils then needing a gun. im surprised you like this direction corp, considering your a fan of tim's.

[Nightwing]

You're right Corp, I just noticed he's holding one on that cover...

[Hellstormer]

If Tim uses a gun he's a coward, he has to much potential to bring himself to being a hitman.

[Nightwing]

thats pretty sad, i thought tim would learn from his future self, to prevent such a thing. and he the dude has better skils then needing a gun. im surprised you like this direction corp, considering your a fan of tim's.

And didn't Tim say he'd never be like his Tomorrow counterpart? That he'd do everything in his power to prevent it from happening, makes me curious as to what exactly drives him to start carrying one after he swore he'd never do such a thing.

[kiuju2k]

Yeah i really don't like tim heading towards his titans tomorrow self. I mean if you look at it he kicked that batman's ass. I believe he will go with the LoA if anything for some training thats what I want to see a capable martial artist robin(heres to hoping of course it won't happen). Him with a gun kinda disturbs me i thought bat prodigies were smarter than that.

On another note it leads me to believe that on that 52 cover the guy with the cape who looks like superman just might be conner. I mean if they have tim with a gun who is to say.

[GoldenAgeHero]

why would it be conner? he's not even that size. plus conner becomes the next supes when tim becomes the next batman. so i think your way off. and given the the trinity is coming back, and batman is already here(see detective comics 817), kinda makes your theory waaaaaaaay out of left field.

[Hellstormer]

On another note it leads me to believe that on that 52 cover the guy with the cape who looks like superman just might be conner. I mean if they have tim with a gun who is to say.Which cover?

[TheCorpulent1]

If Tim uses a gun he's a coward, he has to much potential to bring himself to being a hitman.
When the hell did using a gun suddenly become synonymous with being a hitman? :confused: I'm pretty sure Tim's holding a gun on that cover is either one of those cases where the cover doesn't really reflect what's in the issue or it'll be temporary. I don't see how using a gun makes Tim a coward, either. Arsenal uses guns. Is Arsenal a coward? Green Lanterns make giant emerald guns all the time. Are all the GLs cowards? Beyond everything else, Tim doesn't want to be like Bruce. What better way to strike out and differentiate himself from Bruce than by using a gun, since Bruce is dead-set against them?

[Hellstormer]

Arsenal and Green Lantern are diffrent. Arsenal is able to use guns because he was part of Checkmate if you were ever part of an organization you're allowed to use guns. Green Lantern can use a gun because it's no diffrent then him using an energy blast. In my opinion if Tim starts using a guy he's just a hitman that's going after criminals almost like Deadshot in his min but he's diffrent.

[GoldenAgeHero]

When the hell did using a gun suddenly become synonymous with being a hitman? :confused: I'm pretty sure Tim's holding a gun on that cover is either one of those cases where the cover doesn't really reflect what's in the issue or it'll be temporary. I don't see how using a gun makes Tim a coward, either. Arsenal uses guns. Is Arsenal a coward? Green Lanterns make giant emerald guns all the time. Are all the GLs cowards? Beyond everything else, Tim doesn't want to be like Bruce. What better way to strike out and differentiate himself from Bruce than by using a gun, since Bruce is dead-set against them?


i doubt robin is gonna rebel against batman. plus i think its batman thats gonna say tim its time "you should be on your own now" or whatever.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, it's all just speculation at this point. We do know that something will change Batman and Robin's relationship over the course of the "Face to Face" arc in Batman's comics. What it is or how it changes their relationship is still totally unknown.
Arsenal and Green Lantern are diffrent. Arsenal is able to use guns because he was part of Checkmate if you were ever part of an organization you're allowed to use guns. Green Lantern can use a gun because it's no diffrent then him using an energy blast. In my opinion if Tim starts using a guy he's just a hitman that's going after criminals almost like Deadshot in his min but he's diffrent.
Arsenal doesn't kill people even though he uses guns. Why would Tim not be able to use a gun now and then without killing anyone? Besides, if Tim accepted the Veteran's offer, he would've been with an organization: a little one called the United States Army. If you personally don't like the idea of Tim with a gun, fine, but you're really not drawing any valid distinctions here. :confused:

[kiuju2k]

Its just outside of character. I don't think my idea was way out of left field i mean he looks more like conner. I don't know if they're gonna do that to tim why not conner. I haven't even seen anything on him after crisis so you never know plus that guy in that pic is missing an S. I don't know i don't know. Maybe i just want him to actually where a costume and establish a earthly identity for himself much like clark.

[Hellstormer]

Well, it's all just speculation at this point. We do know that something will change Batman and Robin's relationship over the course of the "Face to Face" arc in Batman's comics. What it is or how it changes their relationship is still totally unknown.

Arsenal doesn't kill people even though he uses guns. Why would Tim not be able to use a gun now and then without killing anyone? Besides, if Tim accepted the Veteran's offer, he would've been with an organization: a little one called the United States Army. If you personally don't like the idea of Tim with a gun, fine, but you're really not drawing any valid distinctions here. :confused:
Fine I just don't think it suits Tims.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Its just outside of character. I don't think my idea was way out of left field i mean he looks more like conner. I don't know if they're gonna do that to tim why not conner. I haven't even seen anything on him after crisis so you never know plus that guy in that pic is missing an S. I don't know i don't know. Maybe i just want him to actually where a costume and establish a earthly identity for himself much like clark.


i think it just you. how does he look more like conner? he doesnt even have a freakin face. stop overthinking it. its just superman and wonder woman's shadow.

[TheCorpulent1]

Or it's meant to represent the male and female superhero archetypes.

[kiuju2k]

Or conner kent getting a rather unique costume change? haha

[TheCorpulent1]

If by "unique" you mean generic, then yeah, I guess.

[boywondernerdDC]

that is not conner on the cover. the idea of tim using a gun is actually an idea i like even though, if the cover says anything, it looks like in a rage he took the gun. but i personally have loved arsenal's use of guns without killing people so why couldnt tim?? i see no reason to not use one in some instances like (not saying it has happen or will) but if robin fought amazo like nightwing and batman did a gun would come in handy considering he didn't have supes invulnerability....but yeah cool cover

[GoldenAgeHero]

Or it's meant to represent the male and female superhero archetypes.

whichever.

[droogiedroogie2]

i doubt robin is gonna rebel against batman. plus i think its batman thats gonna say tim its time "you should be on your own now" or whatever.Wait, I thought the solicits have been saying that the Dynamic Duo are back together after Tim's name is cleared of whatever he didn't do/isn't about to do/or maybe whatever/**** this OYL crap/shouldn't be happening until IC is over/arrrgh.

By the way, did they ever publish an actual explanation for what went down in the intervening years of Titans Tomorrow? Like, the actual events that split the Titans, what the hell happened to Dick Grayson, how the older heroes died, and all this.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Wait, I thought the solicits have been saying that the Dynamic Duo are back together after Tim's name is cleared of whatever he didn't do/isn't about to do/or maybe whatever/**** this OYL crap/shouldn't be happening until IC is over/arrrgh.

By the way, did they ever publish an actual explanation for what went down in the intervening years of Titans Tomorrow? Like, the actual events that split the Titans, what the hell happened to Dick Grayson, how the older heroes died, and all this.


thats the impression i got, there back together OYL, but the solicists also says that bruce/batman has to make a descsion on the future of robin/tim. go to this linkhttp://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=4928
read this one too. http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=5060

and finally this one. http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=5378


and no there was no follow up to titans tommorow.

[Hellstormer]

Ya know what I don't get? If this is after crisis then doesn't that mean Alexander failed and the multiverse was remade? Or has it been remade and we just haven't seen the ramifications?

And do you think Wildstorm should be included in a multiverse since it is DC woned and other heroes hae crossed paths? I just needed somewhere to post this question

[GoldenAgeHero]

Ya know what I don't get? If this is after crisis then doesn't that mean Alexander failed and the multiverse was remade? Or has it been remade and we just haven't seen the ramifications?

And do you think Wildstorm should be included in a multiverse since it is DC woned and other heroes hae crossed paths? I just needed somewhere to post this question


nah wildstorm should stay in its own universe. wait till crisis finishes.

[droogiedroogie2]

thats the impression i got, there back together OYL, but the solicists also says that bruce/batman has to make a descsion on the future of robin/tim. go to this linkhttp://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=4928
read this one too. http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=5060

and finally this one. http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=5378


and no there was no follow up to titans tommorow.Here's the other problem with OYL--it all happens at the same time. We already know that the Duo's back together. So that "decision" will be to keep Robin. Totally ruined that one.

[Hellstormer]

Ok it's official, Tim's been getting younger as the years go on.
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/69350069204.1.3RD.PRT.GIF
Tim in his first mini (i thought this was Dick!)

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/69352000638.1.2X.SIGNED.GIF
Tim's first issue of his ongoing

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/6216/robincv1482dj.jpg
And his OYL appearence

[RAMORE]

whoah i behind when did batgirl (cass) die?

[GoldenAgeHero]

Here's the other problem with OYL--it all happens at the same time. We already know that the Duo's back together. So that "decision" will be to keep Robin. Totally ruined that one.



umm no. did you read the links? he hasnt even made the descsion yet. wtf are you talking about?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, there's some confusion going on here. The big decision alluded to that Batman's going to make about Robin is going to come during the current, post-OYL arc running through Batman's comics right now called "Face to Face." He didn't make the decision during the missing year.
whoah i behind when did batgirl (cass) die?
Batgirl was killed by her "brother" Mad Dog in Batgirl #72, but revived in a Lazarus Pit by Lady Shiva the very next issue. She and Lady Shiva fought to the death and, after winning, Cassandra ditched the Batgirl identity and struck out as her own woman, no longer beholden to the paths anyone else wanted her to take.

[Anubis]

So.....you think she's gonna come back as Batwoman?

[GoldenAgeHero]

i really dont know. but i think shes the new leader of the league of assasains.

[Anubis]

Which would explain that really bad pic of Canary and what looks like Lady Shiva. If Cass killed her, then that must be Cass in that pick.

[droogiedroogie2]

Yeah, there's some confusion going on here. The big decision alluded to that Batman's going to make about Robin is going to come during the current, post-OYL arc running through Batman's comics right now called "Face to Face." He didn't make the decision during the missing year.Wait, so Face to Face comes AFTER the first arcs by Dini and Morrison?

[TheCorpulent1]

Which would explain that really bad pic of Canary and what looks like Lady Shiva. If Cass killed her, then that must be Cass in that pick.
Cassandra doesn't kill her. She snaps her neck (though Shiva's still alive afterwards) and leaves her hanging over a Lazarus Pit by a hook, which was ripping through Shiva's shoulder under Shiva's weight when Cassandra left her. It's highly implied that the hook rip right through and Shiva fell into the Pit, allowing her to survive.
Wait, so Face to Face comes AFTER the first arcs by Dini and Morrison?
No, "Face to Face" is going on right now and will be followed by Dini and Morrison's runs. "Face to Face" still takes place after the missing year that will be chronicled in 52, though.

[Anubis]

Wow thats a pretty bad@$$ way to end a fight.

[TheCorpulent1]

Wow thats a pretty bad@$$ to end a fight.
Why yes, Cassandra is a pretty badass, and she did end that fight. :)

[Anubis]

Not now Corp, I aint in the mood.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's too bad. I'm always in the mood. :)

[Anubis]

That's because your a human colostomy bag. (I used spell check for that insult.)

[TheCorpulent1]

That's because your a human colostomy bag. (I used spell check for that insult.)
But spell check doesn't cover the proper use of "your." That one should be a "you're," for example. :)

[boywondernerdDC]

Ohhh Burn

[Anubis]

Damn you....damn you to hell. :mad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Damn you....damn you to hell. :mad:
Aw, you know I only do it out of love. No no, in fact, for you, Nuby-Nub, I do it out of lurv. :)

[RAMORE]

You know back to Tim's new costume i like it but it's not a huge change to me just sleeves and some minor tweaks big deal. They keep saying this is gonna be huge and things will never be the same well give me a costume that let's me know that you know. Some guys over in fanart section did a kick ass update for an older robin i'll see if i can find it.

Ok here it is:
This is BizarroMe1001 Robin redesign done by Brad.
http://doomedculturegraphics.com/Pics/BizRobin.jpg

inked and colored
http://doomedculturegraphics.com/Pics/BizRobin1.jpg

To me this would be a departure maybe a little hint of kingdom come but not too much you know i would love this:up:

By the way i didn't read the titans tomorrow story so what happened it was the kids future selves??

[Anubis]

Aw, you know I only do it out of love. No no, in fact, for you, Nuby-Nub, I do it out of lurv. :)

...don't call me Nuby-Nub.

[droogiedroogie2]

You know back to Tim's new costume i like it but it's not a huge change to me just sleeves and some minor tweaks big deal. They keep saying this is gonna be huge and things will never be the same well give me a costume that let's me know that you know. Some guys over in fanart section did a kick ass update for an older robin i'll see if i can find it.

Ok here it is:
This is BizarroMe1001 Robin redesign done by Brad.
http://doomedculturegraphics.com/Pics/BizRobin.jpg

inked and colored
http://doomedculturegraphics.com/Pics/BizRobin1.jpg

To me this would be a departure maybe a little hint of kingdom come but not too much you know i would love this:up:

By the way i didn't read the titans tomorrow story so what happened it was the kids future selves??I don't know. I tend to be wary of redesigns that depart so radically from the original. So much of how a character is designed and percieved is tied up in their attire, so for example the Superman redesign a few years back, or the way the X-Men look in the movies, while it might be cool, just "isn't" the character.

And that one, while a cool costume idea, just doesn't really say "Robin, Batman's sidekick" to me.

[GoldenAgeHero]

You know back to Tim's new costume i like it but it's not a huge change to me just sleeves and some minor tweaks big deal. They keep saying this is gonna be huge and things will never be the same well give me a costume that let's me know that you know. Some guys over in fanart section did a kick ass update for an older robin i'll see if i can find it.

Ok here it is:
This is BizarroMe1001 Robin redesign done by Brad.
http://doomedculturegraphics.com/Pics/BizRobin.jpg

inked and colored
http://doomedculturegraphics.com/Pics/BizRobin1.jpg

To me this would be a departure maybe a little hint of kingdom come but not too much you know i would love this:up:

By the way i didn't read the titans tomorrow story so what happened it was the kids future selves??


meh, the current costume looks better, whoever did this drawing tried to hard.

[RAMORE]

I don't know. I tend to be wary of redesigns that depart so radically from the original. So much of how a character is designed and percieved is tied up in their attire, so for example the Superman redesign a few years back, or the way the X-Men look in the movies, while it might be cool, just "isn't" the character.

And that one, while a cool costume idea, just doesn't really say "Robin, Batman's sidekick" to me.


That's because he's not a sidekick anymore really. How does not say Robin it has a bird motif built into it even the mask is more birdlike. Look tim is matureing i don't think he would have this bright costume with a yellow R on it. Much like batman doesn't have a B on his jus a Bat now robin has a bird. Also he looks more bad assish as tim should.

[RAMORE]

meh, the current costume looks better, whoever did this drawing tried to hard.


And a prompt...SCREW YOU! Sir.

How did they try to hard:confused:

[RAMORE]

By the way i didn't read the titans tomorrow story so what happened it was the kids future selves??

[RAMORE]

Now to address the design above it's not perfect i would change some things. I would get rid of the stupid belt around the leg. And i would change the pouch belt to black or a really dark green. Also the gauntelts i would make like the current costume and the mettle shin guards would be flat black. Finally i would scallop the cape like the current one. But i still think this design is BAD ASS!!!!!!!!!!

[TheCorpulent1]

The torso's not bad. I can't say I like much of the rest, though. I actually did a similar redesign for the old Refresh thing on the Fan Art forums a couple of years ago.

[sinewave]

You know back to Tim's new costume i like it but it's not a huge change to me just sleeves and some minor tweaks big deal. They keep saying this is gonna be huge and things will never be the same well give me a costume that let's me know that you know. Some guys over in fanart section did a kick ass update for an older robin i'll see if i can find it.

Ok here it is:
This is BizarroMe1001 Robin redesign done by Brad.
http://doomedculturegraphics.com/Pics/BizRobin.jpg

inked and colored
http://doomedculturegraphics.com/Pics/BizRobin1.jpg

To me this would be a departure maybe a little hint of kingdom come but not too much you know i would love this:up:

By the way i didn't read the titans tomorrow story so what happened it was the kids future selves??


that looks like rob liefield's work, what with the stupid leg pouches and armored arm braces and boots. way too overly stylized. keep it simple, this isn't anime.

[nite-owl]

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=62993

Here's a link to a interview from the writer. I've only read parts of Willinghams run, but the interview makes me interested in the first arc so I might pick it up.:up:

[Tamanon]

Man, some of those pages make me really wonder what the hell happens to start with, haha. Good looking art though:)

[GoldenAgeHero]

hmm so thats how they set robin up.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Now to address the design above it's not perfect i would change some things. I would get rid of the stupid belt around the leg. And i would change the pouch belt to black or a really dark green. Also the gauntelts i would make like the current costume and the mettle shin guards would be flat black. Finally i would scallop the cape like the current one. But i still think this design is BAD ASS!!!!!!!!!!

hopefully you never become a concept artist.

[The Caped Knight]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dc/Robintt34.PNG
Tim looks good in the new suit. It looks very much like , The New Batman Adventures suit.

[Binker]

Who here is going to get Robin OYL?

[TheCorpulent1]

I was getting it before and I don't see a reason to stop now. I'm disappointed that Kerschl will only be drawing one issue before handing it over to Freddie Williams III, though. I love Kerschl's art. :(

[Binker]

I never heard of Williams III, could you explain the problem people have have on him?

[RAMORE]

The torso's not bad. I can't say I like much of the rest, though. I actually did a similar redesign for the old Refresh thing on the Fan Art forums a couple of years ago.


Do you still have it? I would love to see it corp you can just PM it to me if you don't want put up with the ****e of these buggers. Always did love your stuff:up:

And for the rest of you bagging on the design and art i challenge you to do better especially you golden age hero:mad:

[sinewave]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dc/Robintt34.PNG
Tim looks good in the new suit. It looks very much like , The New Batman Adventures suit.

yeah, i like it a lot, especially the scallops on the gloves. however, i'd like to see them add a cowl to make it closer to the kindom come red robin suit. i've always loved that look.

http://www.dccomics.com/media/products/3242_a_full.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

I never heard of Williams III, could you explain the problem people have have on him?
I don't have a problem with him, I was just excited that Kerschl was going to be penciling Robin. It kind of sucks to have Kerschl quit after one issue, regardless of who comes on after him. Williams is actually not bad.
Do you still have it? I would love to see it corp you can just PM it to me if you don't want put up with the ****e of these buggers. Always did love your stuff

And for the rest of you bagging on the design and art i challenge you to do better especially you golden age hero
Yeah, I have it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/drawings/refreshrobin.jpg

I don't really mind if people criticize it. I'll admit, it's a piece of crap. I drew it like 4 years ago. If I'd colored it, it would've been red except for the belt, which would've stayed gold.

[ReTrO JuNkIe 42]

Hey i made a custom batman and robin, i based robin on the animated series kind of , hope if havent seen em you like em http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218980

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/jdr11385/figs%202/figs011.jpg

[jaydawg]

I don't have a problem with him, I was just excited that Kerschl was going to be penciling Robin. It kind of sucks to have Kerschl quit after one issue, regardless of who comes on after him. Williams is actually not bad.

Yeah, I have it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/drawings/refreshrobin.jpg

I don't really mind if people criticize it. I'll admit, it's a piece of crap. I drew it like 4 years ago. If I'd colored it, it would've been red except for the belt, which would've stayed gold.
I actually like it. It's pretty similar to a redesign I did a while back, just Robin still had the R and the straps on the chest instead of an actual robin. The divide in the center went all the way down instead of stopping above the knees and the colors were inverted. The center was red while the outside was black so he could blend into the shadows better.

[Binker]

Um, can we stop talking about redesigns? There's nothing wrong with the new costume he has now.

Who is getting #148?

[Anubis]

Hey i made a custom batman and robin, i based robin on the animated series kind of , hope if havent seen em you like em http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...d.php?t=218980

Nice :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

I actually like it. It's pretty similar to a redesign I did a while back, just Robin still had the R and the straps on the chest instead of an actual robin. The divide in the center went all the way down instead of stopping above the knees and the colors were inverted. The center was red while the outside was black so he could blend into the shadows better.
Yeah, looking at it now, it probably would've worked a lot better if I'd inverted the colors.

[Nightwing]

Issue #148 finally comes out today, how many of you are getting it? Unfortunately I can't get my copy until the weekend, so whoever did buy it and wants to talk about it, use the spoiler tags. Hopefully it'll be a good issue, can't wait.

[GoldenAgeHero]

im getting robin 148. ai gree with corp, karl shouldve stayed on the book. his art gallery is really impressive.

[sinewave]

yeah, karl kerschl is pretty good, but freddie williams III looks pretty decent, too. at least we don't have to suffer through anymore of damion scott's art, yuuucchhh! i wasn't really impressed with mcdaniel's run, either.

[Nightwing]

Mcdaniel's run was ok at times, I didn't always enjoy it. Kerschl could have done alot of good to the book, wish he would've stayed aboard after #148 and #149. I'll give Williams a chance...

[The Ether]

just read the issue

glad that cassie wasn't the one who died in the issue. I really enjoyed it. Beechan did what he set out to do and make robin a csi issue with robin being completely analitical in his situation. The whole bat-family minus nightwing made an appearance in it with Batman burning robin with a true quote. I actually liked what DC made Batman into with OYL, it's nice having lighter Batman, due to the fact that I was getting tired of too dark. I'm definitely picking up the next issue.

It's a shame thought that kershcl isn't going to continue, his artwork is incredible. I haven't seen Williams work, can anyone show a sample of his past work? thanks

[RAMORE]

I don't have a problem with him, I was just excited that Kerschl was going to be penciling Robin. It kind of sucks to have Kerschl quit after one issue, regardless of who comes on after him. Williams is actually not bad.

Yeah, I have it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/drawings/refreshrobin.jpg

I don't really mind if people criticize it. I'll admit, it's a piece of crap. I drew it like 4 years ago. If I'd colored it, it would've been red except for the belt, which would've stayed gold.


I think i remember when you made this corp it's a very clean design i like it.

[The Spirit]

I'm actually going to pick up the issue later on today, Robin one year later is one of the main stream titles I'm excited for.

[Binker]

Ok, the issue has come out, enough of what you guys wanted the costume to be, for those who read the issue how was it and share some scans.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's a shame thought that kershcl isn't going to continue, his artwork is incredible. I haven't seen Williams work, can anyone show a sample of his past work? thanks
http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=61902
That has some of Williams' artwork. He's all right, but I'm really gonna miss Kerschl. The art in this week's issue was amazing, especially that opening splash page with the credits. My only problem with Kerschl's art is that he draws Robin way too short and young-looking for a 17-year-old. The male body's pretty much done developing for the most part by 17, outside of a last-minute growth spurt or something, but Robin still looks like a 14-year-old to me. It's especially noticeable in the pages where Tim is talking to Batman on that rooftop. He's like a midget compared to Bruce, when he should really only be about 4 or 5 inches shorter than Bruce. Williams' Robin doesn't look any older, either.

Other than that minor complaint, the issue was as good as I hoped it'd be. Turns out Robin didn't join up with the Veteran after all, he went on a "trust-building" leave of absence with Bruce and Dick. He also seems more firmly on the path to becoming another Batman in Bruce's image than ever, which makes the upcoming cover with Tim holding a gun seem very strange. I liked how Shiva was silently tailing Tim through the whole issue, though. She must be either incredibly pissed or incredibly intrigued.

[sinewave]

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=61902
That has some of Williams' artwork. He's all right, but I'm really gonna miss Kerschl. The art in this week's issue was amazing, especially that opening splash page with the credits. My only problem with Kerschl's art is that he draws Robin way too short and young-looking for a 17-year-old. The male body's pretty much done developing for the most part by 17, outside of a last-minute growth spurt or something, but Robin still looks like a 14-year-old to me. It's especially noticeable in the pages where Tim is talking to Batman on that rooftop. He's like a midget compared to Bruce, when he should really only be about 4 or 5 inches shorter than Bruce. Williams' Robin doesn't look any older, either.

Other than that minor complaint, the issue was as good as I hoped it'd be. Turns out Robin didn't join up with the Veteran after all, he went on a "trust-building" leave of absence with Bruce and Dick. He also seems more firmly on the path to becoming another Batman in Bruce's image than ever, which makes the upcoming cover with Tim holding a gun seem very strange. I liked how Shiva was silently tailing Tim through the whole issue, though. She must be either incredibly pissed or incredibly intrigued.


yeah, i didn't like how young they made tim look either. batman completely towered over him in the rooftop scene.

i thought that girl following them was cassie, not shiva. she had shorter hair, like cassie.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, it's possible. I have a hard time telling Asian women apart in most American comics.

[sinewave]

Oh, it's possible. I have a hard time telling Asian women apart in most American comics.

yup, they all look the same to me. :D

[The Ether]

^^^^ not for me, some are hot some are not.

[Binker]

What would you rate this outta 10? And what do you rate the other Batman family/related books like Detective Comics, Batman, Nightwing and Outsiders?

[GyLocke]

Fun fact:
from the latest Robin we know the Bat family spent some time from the missing year in my city Budapest.
God knows this town needs them. And with the old, creepy buildings, all the junk and gangs on the streets, they would blend in very well.

[warren_sparta27]

who was that chick at the end of the rooftop scene?
i thought it was shiva?

this was my fav comic this week, just edging out Batman, only thing i didnt like was how much shorter Tim was than Batman, otherwise every thing was perfect.

[Lone]

Holy crap...I just read the preview for Detective Comics 818...Conner bites the big one in the Crisis...

Dammit, why do characters get offed just when I start to like them...:(

[Nightwing]

Holy crap...I just read the preview for Detective Comics 818...Conner bites the big one in the Crisis...

Dammit, why do characters get offed just when I start to like them...:(

Here's the description for the issue.

Written by James Robinson; Art by Leonard Kirk and Andy Clarke; Cover by Simone Bianchi

Part 3 of "Face the Face," an amazing 8-part story written by James Robinson (JSA: THE GOLDEN AGE, HAWKMAN, STARMAN) crossing over with BATMAN! Another of Gotham's villains has been murdered. As the clues start adding up, they point to one man as the killer: Harvey Dent. But isn't Dent sane now, cured of his madness? Or is he still the maniac he was back when he was Two-Face? Batman begins his hunt for the answer! Plus, a new chapter begins in the life of detective Jason Bard.

Where did you read that Connor? was involved?

[Lone]

I downloaded a b&w preview of the comic...

It doesn't show Conner's death, it was mentioned by Batman when he's discussing his plans for Tim with Alfred...I really like how Batman isn't much of an ******* anymore

Before you start calling me a pirate, I just wanna clarify that I do buy the comics if I like what I read...I'm one of those guys who likes to have backups of everything

[Lone]

Warning!! Heavy Spoilers Ahead!!!












Well, I'll give a quick summary. It appears that Two-Face is trying to get back into Harvey's head but Harvey is still in control. Batman tells Tim that he has the potential to be better than Nightwing which IMO is a cool moment...especially the look on Tim's face upon hearing that. Batman is actually working together with Robin instead of just barking orders..or at least that's the feeling I get. Batman hires Bard to do his detective work during the daytime since Batman only goes to work at night. Batman isn't an ******* anymore IMO. Scarface bites it. There is mention of Conner being dead.

That's all I can recall off the top of my head...it's 4am where I am...so...

[Nightwing]

#148 was a great issue, it left me excited for #149. I'm really curious as to why the Bat family(Bruce, Dick, and Tim) spent some of the missing year in Budapest, I'm sure it'll be explained in 52 or an upcoming Bat-title. Also, the Asian woman is either Nyssa or Cassandra. In one of the panels it shows Nyssa in Southern Africa, while in another we see a young girl who looks IDENTICAL to Cassandra when Oracle is letting the others know Robin is being accused of murder and when she's following them later on. And yes, the height between Tim and Bruce did bother me a bit. It looked as if Bruce was watching over him even though they were standing right next to eachother, while Tim resembled a miget when for his age he should look a bit taller. That's my only complaint of the issue, other than that, it was a good one.

[nite-owl]

#148 was a great issue, it left me excited for #149. I'm really curious as to why the Bat family(Bruce, Dick, and Tim) spent some of the missing year in Budapest, I'm sure it'll be explained in 52 or an upcoming Bat-title. Also, the Asian woman is either Nyssa or Cassandra. In one of the panels it shows Nyssa in Southern Africa, while in another we see a young girl who looks IDENTICAL to Cassandra when Oracle is letting the others know Robin is being accused of murder and when she's following them later on. And yes, the height between Tim and Bruce did bother me a bit. It looked as if Bruce was watching over him even though they were standing right next to eachother, while Tim resembled a miget when for his age he should look a bit taller. That's my only complaint of the issue, other than that, it was a good one.

Wasn't Nyssa involved in some explosion? anyway I think its cass who's following Tim.

[Nightwing]

Wasn't Nyssa involved in some explosion? anyway I think its cass who's following Tim.

Yes she was, in South Africa. And I also think it's Cassandra.

[RAMORE]

i hope this guy is wrong about conner:(

[nite-owl]

Yes she was, in South Africa. And I also think it's Cassandra.

Maybe there brining back Ra's.

[droogiedroogie2]

HAHAHAHAAA! You hear that Scarface? You're dead, beeyotch! Get the hell out of my serious post-Crisis comics, mother****er! We don't have time for ventriloquists up in here!. *****.

[sinewave]

HAHAHAHAAA! You hear that Scarface? You're dead, beeyotch! Get the hell out of my serious post-Crisis comics, mother****er! We don't have time for ventriloquists up in here!. *****.

it's pronounced "gitch". :)

[Nightwing]

Preview images of #149 can be seen here if anyone is interested.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Apr06previews/april19th.html


http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Apr06previews/RB149p05.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

Bah! Williams is all right, but I miss Kerschl already. :(

[sinewave]

Preview images of #149 can be seen here if anyone is interested.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Apr06previews/april19th.html


http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Apr06previews/RB149p05.jpg

i love the art! kerchl was great, but williams seems like a decent replacement.

[TheCorpulent1]

He's a little inconsistent for my liking. Kerschl brought a sense of really concrete stability to the figures that Williams lacks. He's good enough, though. Kerschl's pretty tough to measure up to.

[GoldenAgeHero]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Apr06previews/RB149p01.jpghttp://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Apr06previews/RB149p02.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Apr06previews/RB149p03.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Apr06previews/RB149p06.jpghttp://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Apr06previews/RB149p07.jpg

[Tamanon]

I love Robin OYL. The art is fantastic and the story is pretty good thus far. Can't wait until it's all unraveled:)

[batnkevlar]

I like the fact that Robin looks older... oh, btw, what happens when 52 is over? I mean, by that time, OYL will be Two Years Later... when are we gonna get back on track?

[TheCorpulent1]

What? We are back on track. The track just included a one-year gap that will be filled in by 52.

[sinewave]

yeah, this opening oyl arc is pretty good, so far. i'm really digging the art and the new costume.

[TheCorpulent1]

I like the fact that Tim is ballsy enough to hop right across the main office of a police station. :)

I don't like that three of the cops took shots at him, though. Those cops are gonna have to file a mountain of paperwork explaining why they shot first against an unarmed kid who posed no obvious threat to them.

[boywondernerdDC]

I like the fact that Tim is ballsy enough to hop right across the main office of a police station. :)

I don't like that three of the cops took shots at him, though. Those cops are gonna have to file a mountain of paperwork explaining why they shot first against an unarmed kid who posed no obvious threat to them.

good point

[Phantom Lantern]

robin 149 preview looks awesome it shows him being sneaky and clever then messing up, having to think on his feet.

showing the good and the bad, unlike poor dick who is being made to look a fool :(

[Hellstormer]

I'm still a bit shakey as to wether or not I'll pull this, I picked up 148 and enjoyed it so I'll pick up 149 and if I like it I'll snag it

[Nightwing]

I'm still a bit shakey as to wether or not I'll pull this, I picked up 148 and enjoyed it so I'll pick up 149 and if I like it I'll snag it

Like I said before, #148 left me excited for #149. The art is really amazing, aswell as the story so far. I'm going to be reading the book up until it enters the part where we see Tim holding a gun on the cover to #151, I'm wondering what the whole deal is behind it all.

[Hellstormer]

Like I said before, #148 left me excited for #149. The art is really amazing, aswell as the story so far. I'm going to be reading the book up until it enters the part where we see Tim holding a gun on the cover to #151, I'm wondering what the whole deal is behind it all.
yea I'll be angry if they make him into some kind of gunslinger

[Nightwing]

yea I'll be angry if they make him into some kind of gunslinger

Geoff Johns did say there would be Titans who would be close to their Titans Tomorrow counterparts, so of course whatever happens in TT will effect the Robin series. I was thinking though, Tim is still dealing with the loss of his father and still feels like he wants to do something about it. What if the gun he's holding isn't the one that killed Thomas and Martha Wayne like he had in Tomorrow, but the one Jack Drake had when he tried to protect himself during Identity Crisis when Captain Boomerang planned and succeeded in murdering him?

Another thing. In Detective Comics #818, Bruce mentions how Tim is so alone now with the death of his father and the death of his best friend. (Conner) And is thinking about giving him a day time job as Gothams protector since Batman is only a creature of the night and feels like he needs to do something more for Tim cause that's what his father would have done. Did anyone recognize how in some of the solicts is mentions how Tim has to deal with his life as an orphan? When I read the description for Batman #654, it describes an event that will change the relationship of both Bruce and Tim in a big way. What if Bruce is thinking of adopting Tim?

[TwilightPro101]

I'm enjoying this new direction with Tim. It came out of left field but in a very great way. I'm really expecting Tim to start taking further action as this arc goes on and see how he is coming to terms with the previous events.

Also eagerly awaiting the details of the trip in Europe.

[TheCorpulent1]

Another thing. In Detective Comics #818, Bruce mentions how Tim is so alone now with the death of his father and the death of his best friend. (Conner) And is thinking about giving him a day time job as Gothams protector since Batman is only a creature of the night and feels like he needs to do something more for Tim cause that's what his father would have done. Did anyone recognize how in some of the solicts is mentions how Tim has to deal with his life as an orphan? When I read the description for Batman #654, it describes an event that will change the relationship of both Bruce and Tim in a big way. What if Bruce is thinking of adopting Tim?
1) The daytime operative Bruce mentioned was revealed in that same issue to be a private investigator whose work Bruce respected.

2) Bruce already tried to adopt Tim and Tim's response was to fabricate a long-lost uncle to get out of it without hurting Bruce's feelings. I would hope Bruce learned his lesson. I'd also like to see whatever became of Tim's stepmom. She went into a ward for mental illness after losing Tim's dad, but I imagine there must've been some change after a whole year of her being there. She was already making progress, as I recall, in Tim's pre-OYL comics. Maybe Tim's in her custody.

[TwilightPro101]

1) The daytime operative Bruce mentioned was revealed in that same issue to be a private investigator whose work Bruce respected.

2) Bruce already tried to adopt Tim and Tim's response was to fabricate a long-lost uncle to get out of it without hurting Bruce's feelings. I would hope Bruce learned his lesson. I'd also like to see whatever became of Tim's stepmom. She went into a ward for mental illness after losing Tim's dad, but I imagine there must've been some change after a whole year of her being there. She was already making progress, as I recall, in Tim's pre-OYL comics. Maybe Tim's in her custody.

Could be, but the way it feels at the moment, I think Tim is pretty much on his own, but that's just speculation.

[batnkevlar]

Well, the way comics are going, they'll always be two years ahead...

'06: 52 and OYL ('07)

So then what happens in '07? Do they do '08?

[Nightwing]

I'm enjoying this new direction with Tim. It came out of left field but in a very great way. I'm really expecting Tim to start taking further action as this arc goes on and see how he is coming to terms with the previous events.

Also eagerly awaiting the details of the trip in Europe.

Same here.

1) The daytime operative Bruce mentioned was revealed in that same issue to be a private investigator whose work Bruce respected.

I know that, his name is Jason Bard and Bruce thought of him as a second rate detective. But before, he mentions to Alfred if he thinks Tim will agree to what he has in mind for him.


2) Bruce already tried to adopt Tim and Tim's response was to fabricate a long-lost uncle to get out of it without hurting Bruce's feelings. I would hope Bruce learned his lesson. I'd also like to see whatever became of Tim's stepmom. She went into a ward for mental illness after losing Tim's dad, but I imagine there must've been some change after a whole year of her being there. She was already making progress, as I recall, in Tim's pre-OYL comics. Maybe Tim's in her custody.

Ah yes, Uncle Eddie was the name he told Bruce when he decided to move to Bludhaven. Bruce was able to figure out that he never really had an uncle, but instead of being mad at him he was proud that Tim created a situation that took some real detective work for him to figure out. I also would like to see Dana again or what became of her, and you're right about her not being mentioned once thus far in OYL. The way it was described of what happens between Bruce and Tim was "a lasting impact."

[Nightwing]

Well, the way comics are going, they'll always be two years ahead...

'06: 52 and OYL ('07)

So then what happens in '07? Do they do '08?

How about we just focus on what's occuring now and what we were given so far? http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, the way comics are going, they'll always be two years ahead...

'06: 52 and OYL ('07)

So then what happens in '07? Do they do '08?
You're assuming it was the same date in the comics as it was in the real world pre-OYL, which wouldn't make any sense anyway. That'd mean most characters have twelve days a year.

[batnkevlar]

Oh i get it, i was assuming it was all taking place in real time... thanx Corpulent1...

[GoldenAgeHero]

Oh i get it, i was assuming it was all taking place in real time... thanx Corpulent1...

lmao...............:down

[Hellstormer]

You're assuming it was the same date in the comics as it was in the real world pre-OYL, which wouldn't make any sense anyway. That'd mean most characters have twelve days a year.
Actually some issues take place over days, weks or even months so maybe they are on the dot or maybe they were a year behind hence OYL

[TwilightPro101]

Actually some issues take place over days, weks or even months so maybe they are on the dot or maybe they were a year behind hence OYL

Just about every Devin Grayson Nightwing arc comes to mind here.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, every Devin Grayson Nightwing arc took place over days, weeks, or months. :up:

[Binker]

My thoughts are starting to change. But I need to aks before I buy.

We know that Nightwing OYL hasn't been that good (is part 2 good?) and that affected me to not get Robin OYL because Nightwing's actions are mentioned. But from another way to look at it; ignoring Nightwing OYL completly and with Outsiders OYL in mind, could the references to Nightwing in Robin OYL work for him in Outsiders OYL only?

[TheCorpulent1]

No, the reference in Robin directly relates to things that happened in Nightwing's comic. One thing in particular.

[Nightwing]

ROBIN #152
Written by Adam Beechen
Art by Freddie E. Williams II
Cover by Patrick Gleason & Prentis Rollins
Old tensions return to the surface when Robin confronts
the son of his father's killer: the new Captain Boomerang!
On sale July 19 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/July06/Batman/RobinCv152.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

I am so looking forward to that. I hope Robin beats the unholy living hell out of the new Captain Boomerang, then Boomerang goes back to the Outsiders and is all like, "I don't wanna talk about it!" when Nightwing asks. :D

[sinewave]

[/FONT]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/July06/Batman/RobinCv152.jpg

looks good! robin better beat that ralph ferly-scarf-wearing-mofo!

[Nightwing]

I am so looking forward to that. I hope Robin beats the unholy living hell out of the new Captain Boomerang, then Boomerang goes back to the Outsiders and is all like, "I don't wanna talk about it!" when Nightwing asks. :D

Same here, especially how Tim has always felt like he wanted to do something about the death of his father. I'm really looking forward to see what exactly drove him to make the decision of going after the new Captain Boomerang, or how he happend to cross paths with him.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, especially since the new Captain Boomerang is supposed to be dead as far as the world is concerned, according to Outsiders.

[Nightwing]

Yeah, especially since the new Captain Boomerang is supposed to be dead as far as the world is concerned, according to Outsiders.

It'll be worth to see the surprise on Tim's face, considering he's the son of the man who killed his father. Unless he already knows Boomerang's status during OYL, I hope the two really battle it out.

[GoldenAgeHero]

My thoughts are starting to change. But I need to aks before I buy.

We know that Nightwing OYL hasn't been that good (is part 2 good?) and that affected me to not get Robin OYL because Nightwing's actions are mentioned. But from another way to look at it; ignoring Nightwing OYL completly and with Outsiders OYL in mind, could the references to Nightwing in Robin OYL work for him in Outsiders OYL only?

that does'nt even make sense.

[kiuju2k]

I dislike the new captain boomerang. I hope tim kicks his stupid ass.

[Anubis]

About that Outsiders being dead thing, they said the the "Outsiders" were dead. Not neccesarily the heros that were in the OUtsiders. As far as the world is concerned the Outsiders disbanded.

[TheCorpulent1]

I dislike the new captain boomerang. I hope tim kicks his stupid ass.
Tim doesn't stand much of a chance realistically, but I hope so too.

[ToddIsDead]

Tim will kick his ass...with prep-time :o

[GoldenAgeHero]

Tim doesn't stand much of a chance realistically, but I hope so too.

yeah boomerrang has superspeed...oh oh. 24 is on, big episode!

[Hellstormer]

Tim will beat the unholy living crap out've Boomerang and Dick will hang it over Boomy's head to the day he dies.

[Nightwing]

yeah boomerrang has superspeed...oh oh. 24 is on, big episode!

But his speed isn't permanent. He has what he calls "speed bursts" which allows him to maintain it for a short period of time, and can use it to throw his boomerangs quicker like in issue #34.

[ToddIsDead]

I hope they fight and they find a realistic way for Robin to win. It could be a very cool moment.

[kiuju2k]

so essentially he throws boomerangs super fast. Ok... maybe realistically he can take robin out thats true enough. I remember batman having a few tricks that he had for wally that he tried on the Johnny quck(csa) a while back... maybe tim will employ the same device. Well I hope he does.

[sinewave]

i just read issue #149 and if i'm not mistaken, i'm pretty sure that cassandra hasn't been kidnapped, but is the new head of the league of assasins and she's trying to fool people into thinking it's someone else. i bet she went a little nutty once she was revived in the lazarus pit and she's now a villain. i think she'd make a pretty kick-ass villain. maybe she'll be one of robin's rogues, even.

[GoldenAgeHero]

i just read issue #149 and if i'm not mistaken, i'm pretty sure that cassandra hasn't been kidnapped, but is the new head of the league of assasins and she's trying to fool people into thinking it's someone else. i bet she went a little nutty once she was revived in the lazarus pit and she's now a villain. i think she'd make a pretty kick-ass villain. maybe she'll be one of robin's rogues, even.

thats it?

[TheCorpulent1]

i just read issue #149 and if i'm not mistaken, i'm pretty sure that cassandra hasn't been kidnapped, but is the new head of the league of assasins and she's trying to fool people into thinking it's someone else. i bet she went a little nutty once she was revived in the lazarus pit and she's now a villain. i think she'd make a pretty kick-ass villain. maybe she'll be one of robin's rogues, even.
That would suck. A lot. Especially in light of how her series ended.

Anyone else like how Tim floored Shiva in this issue? That was fun. :)

Also, Gotham's cops, whether they're the most elite units, trained to deal with metahumans, or the lowly unis who cruise around looking for donuts, all suck. It's no wonder the city has so much crime; its cops are all morons. The highly trained specialists who knew they were looking for Robin couldn't tell that the "cop" they found lurking about after all the cops were ordered clear of the building perfectly matched Robin's physical description?? All right, it's a tense situation and they believe they're hunting a killer; I can buy that. But even after they find the real cop knocked out and missing his uniform, still no one puts two and two together and recalls that strangely Robinesque cop who was wandering about where he shouldn't have been? Come on!

Other than that one problem, though, this issue was good. Williams' art grew on me over the course of the issue. He's no Kerschl, but he's good enough.
so essentially he throws boomerangs super fast. Ok... maybe realistically he can take robin out thats true enough. I remember batman having a few tricks that he had for wally that he tried on the Johnny quck(csa) a while back... maybe tim will employ the same device. Well I hope he does.
He doesn't throw boomerangs super-fast. He can move, think, and react at super-speed in short bursts.

[Nightwing]

Also, Gotham's cops, whether they're the most elite units, trained to deal with metahumans, or the lowly unis who cruise around looking for donuts, all suck. It's no wonder the city has so much crime; its cops are all morons. The highly trained specialists who knew they were looking for Robin couldn't tell that the "cop" they found lurking about after all the cops were ordered clear of the building perfectly matched Robin's physical description?? All right, it's a tense situation and they believe they're hunting a killer; I can buy that. But even after they find the real cop knocked out and missing his uniform, still no one puts two and two together and recalls that strangely Robinesque cop who was wandering about where he shouldn't have been? Come on!

I had the same thought when I was looking at the issue, I mean it was pretty obvious Tim was more slender looking then the rest of the officers around him. Not to mention he had the EXACT hair style even with the mask off, aswell as carrying Batgirl's mask with the officers surrounding him like that when he ditched the Robin suit. I agree, that was a bit of a flaw. Other than that, this issue was as good as the beginning of the arc in issue #148.

I also wrote my review of it over at the Bought/Thought thread on the Marvel forum, I putting it in spoilers just incase no one bought the issue yet.

I really loved this issue, and how Tim was using more of his detective skills to his advantage. The whole mystery of where is Cassandra Cain is seriously starting to pick up, we see Lady Shiva visting Tim as she believes someone for the League of Assasins is behind all of it. Toward the end, Tim finds a very small piece of paper which was written in Native American language. After finally decoding it, he finds out it's a ransom note believed to be from the kidnappers of Cassandra and asking him to bring her father David Cain or they'll kill her. Again, the art and action of the issue really grabbed me and the arc has no flaws thus far.

9/10

[hippie_hunter]

So was Nyssa confirmed dead in the recent issue of Robin?

[hippie_hunter]

So was Nyssa confirmed dead in the recent issue of Robin?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes x 2. At least by Shiva. It wouldn't be the first time an Al Ghul successfully faked their death, though.

[Nightwing]

So was Nyssa confirmed dead in the recent issue of Robin?

Yes. When Lady Shiva came to confront Tim about Cassandra, she mentioned Nyssa's assassination to him confirming that she was the victim of the explosion that took place overseas.

[The_Mystery]

Just wanted to chime in and say I love this series One Year Later.

[sinewave]

Just wanted to chime in and say I love this series One Year Later.

yeah, i've been enjoying it. the arts cool and the story's decent, but i still feel like they are telegraphing the big mystery in this arc.

[sinewave]

That would suck. A lot. Especially in light of how her series ended.

i think it'd be cool. she's one of, if not, the best fighter in the dcu, we need a good martial artist villain. there's not enough out there. what does how the batgirl series ended have to do with this?

Anyone else like how Tim floored Shiva in this issue? That was fun. :)

yeah, i liked that too. all that training in the previous year really made an impact on him.


Also, Gotham's cops, whether they're the most elite units, trained to deal with metahumans, or the lowly unis who cruise around looking for donuts, all suck. It's no wonder the city has so much crime; its cops are all morons. The highly trained specialists who knew they were looking for Robin couldn't tell that the "cop" they found lurking about after all the cops were ordered clear of the building perfectly matched Robin's physical description?? All right, it's a tense situation and they believe they're hunting a killer; I can buy that. But even after they find the real cop knocked out and missing his uniform, still no one puts two and two together and recalls that strangely Robinesque cop who was wandering about where he shouldn't have been? Come on!

Other than that one problem, though, this issue was good. Williams' art grew on me over the course of the issue. He's no Kerschl, but he's good enough.

He doesn't throw boomerangs super-fast. He can move, think, and react at super-speed in short bursts.


yeah, i had a problem with that masquerade act by tim, also. those cops easily would have realised that was robin in a cop uniform. plus, i'm sure that police station would have had cameras inside and probably outside it and they'd be able to look at the tapes and identify tim without his mask on. i figured batman would have trained him how to create a disguise so he wouldn't be recognised, why didn't he just sneak in and out that way?

[GoldenAgeHero]

i think it'd be cool. she's one of, if not, the best fighter in the dcu, we need a good martial artist villain. there's not enough out there. what does how the batgirl series ended have to do with this?



yeah, i liked that too. all that training in the previous year really made an impact on him.




yeah, i had a problem with that masquerade act by tim, also. those cops easily would have realised that was robin in a cop uniform. plus, i'm sure that police station would have had cameras inside and probably outside it and they'd be able to look at the tapes and identify tim without his mask on. i figured batman would have trained him how to create a disguise so he wouldn't be recognised, why didn't he just sneak in and out that way?

why the hell do you act as if he's real, he's being written that way, the writer probably didnt think about it.

[sinewave]

why the hell do you act as if he's real, he's being written that way, the writer probably didnt think about it.

then he's a bad writer if he didn't know the character's history.

[GoldenAgeHero]

then he's a bad writer if he didn't know the character's history.


yeah and i guess you can blame the editor too, he's suppose to update the writers on such things. they probbaly thoght it wasnt important enough to include.

[warren_sparta27]

this has been the best story arc so far OYL, right up there with Batman/ Dectective and Action/Superman :)

[sinewave]

yeah and i guess you can blame the editor too, he's suppose to update the writers on such things. they probbaly thoght it wasnt important enough to include.

yup, the editor is also at fault for not recognizing those things i pointed out.

[Nightwing]

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/Sam655321/BadassRobin.jpg

[GoldenAgeHero]

damn, i want batman 652:(

[TheCorpulent1]

i think it'd be cool. she's one of, if not, the best fighter in the dcu, we need a good martial artist villain. there's not enough out there. what does how the batgirl series ended have to do with this?
The whole end of Batgirl's series basically established her as her own woman. She ditched the baggage of her past with David Cain and realized Batman's path wasn't for her either and finally brought some closure to her Shiva/death wish issues. The idea that she would finally become a complete person who's happy with herself rather than a tool for others' agendas and then somehow decide she really needs to be a villain is just insulting to me as a Cassandra fan. She may have bounced back and forth between different parts of her life and different aspects of herself, but the one constant has been that she always wanted to do the right thing to make up for her assassination early in life, even though she could barely even be held responsible for it. Her becoming a villain would basically mean dashing away that moral compass that's always been such a huge part of her.

[sinewave]

The whole end of Batgirl's series basically established her as her own woman. She ditched the baggage of her past with David Cain and realized Batman's path wasn't for her either and finally brought some closure to her Shiva/death wish issues. The idea that she would finally become a complete person who's happy with herself rather than a tool for others' agendas and then somehow decide she really needs to be a villain is just insulting to me as a Cassandra fan. She may have bounced back and forth between different parts of her life and different aspects of herself, but the one constant has been that she always wanted to do the right thing to make up for her assassination early in life, even though she could barely even be held responsible for it. Her becoming a villain would basically mean dashing away that moral compass that's always been such a huge part of her.

relax, corp. i'm just throwing out ideas. besides, whose to say she'd necessarily have to be "evil" if she took over the league of assasins. maybe she'd pull a nightwing and try to take it down from the inside. this is all just harmless speculation on my part.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm relaxed, I just tend to rant when my favorite characters are involved in the discussion.

[LinternaVerde]

the new robin uniform resembles a lot of this...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/S158s2.JPG
From Superman (Vol.1) #158 (Jan. 1963)

[Tropico]

relax, corp. i'm just throwing out ideas. besides, whose to say she'd necessarily have to be "evil" if she took over the league of assasins. maybe she'd pull a nightwing and try to take it down from the inside. this is all just harmless speculation on my part.

He did the same to me when I came to your same conclusions, Sinewave. I'm surprised at how few people think that Cassandra could be the new League of Assassin Leader and is the one putting Robin through the wringer. As far as I'm concerned Cassandra is damaged goods after her revival (as you said, due to the Lazarus Pit). What if Tim brings her back from the "dark side"? Wouldn't that be cool? Knowing both sides of the coin might make Cassandra a stronger character, kinda like what they did with Luke Skywalker in the novels after Return of the Jedi.

[warren_sparta27]

for some reason i still think Bane might have something to do with this.

[spiderbob]

for some reason i still think Bane might have something to do with this.

care to elaborate on why you think that?

[Nightwing]

Cover and description of issue #153.

ROBIN #153
Written by Adam Beechen
Art by Freddie E. Williams II
Cover by Patrick Gleason & Prentis Rollins
Robin and the new Captain Boomerang take a thrill ride through Gotham's forgotten super-villain hideouts in a race against time to find an armed nuclear weapon!
On sale August 16 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Aug06/Bats/RobinCv153.jpg

[Nightwing]

My comments on the cover.

Tim teaming up with Owen intrigues me. For one, considering their fathers were involved in a murder and victim situation. Which could lead to a lasting imapact that I'm looking forward to seeing only cause, they both loved their fathers. How they'll end up at odds with eachother should be worth reading, the series so far hasn't had one big flaw I've yet to see.

[GoldenAgeHero]

i find it retarded that boomerang, eve cared for his father..i mean seriously the dude was basically absent for his entire life....

[Nightwing]

i find it retarded that boomerang, eve cared for his father..i mean seriously the dude was basically absent for his entire life....

In Identity Crisis though, they seemed real close when Owen was training with him after he discovered he had super speed. Along with the emotion that was shown when his father was killed...

[TheCorpulent1]

i find it retarded that boomerang, eve cared for his father..i mean seriously the dude was basically absent for his entire life....
People can get attached to parents who were absent for most of their life pretty quickly. There's an indisputable bond between some parents and some children. Presumably Owen was one of those children who had always wanted his absent father figure to return and, when he did, he welcomed him and grew close to him very quickly.

[ToddIsDead]

That should be very interesting, considering that their fathers killed eachother.

[TheCorpulent1]

And were, in turn, killed by each other. They've got equal rights to the anger and grief of their fathers killing the other and dying by the other's hand. They're kind of like two sides of the same coin now, really.

[ToddIsDead]

Exactly. It will definitely be interesting.

[bulok]

I havent read a new comic book since moving a year ago but reading all about Tim's change (even with the spoilers) makes me want to drive 20 miles to my nearest store and get one. Hope they do a tpb! and soon!

[jim lee's bat]

I havent read a new comic book since moving a year ago but reading all about Tim's change (even with the spoilers) makes me want to drive 20 miles to my nearest store and get one. Hope they do a tpb! and soon!

you should read anew comic and you dont have to drive 20 miles order online they usully have discounts and this series I think is worth it

[The Ether]

I was waiting for Boomerang and Robin to meet each other. They have every right to hate each other, or they the opposite. who would have expected Beechen would do a great job on Robin?

[SouLeSS]

I can't find a copy of 149 anywhere. Guess it's time too look on ebay :(

[Tamanon]

Huh....well that was expected, wonder how it will all play out.

Cass is the leader of the League of Assassins, she wants revenge on Cain and Robin to join her, shock

[BatmanReborn]

ya i was kinda floored by the way 150 ended. It makes sense, and i wont complain because thus far i actually like robin oyl better than the other oyl titles.

[sinewave]

i just read issue #149 and if i'm not mistaken, i'm pretty sure that cassandra hasn't been kidnapped, but is the new head of the league of assasins and she's trying to fool people into thinking it's someone else. i bet she went a little nutty once she was revived in the lazarus pit and she's now a villain. i think she'd make a pretty kick-ass villain. maybe she'll be one of robin's rogues, even.

ha! i called it! sorry, corp.

[Nightwing]

Huh....well that was expected, wonder how it will all play out.

Cass is the leader of the League of Assassins, she wants revenge on Cain and Robin to join her, shock

I wasn't surprised by it. The hint of it being Cassandra was all over issue #149. Especially when Tim was decoding the ransom note, and mentions how Bruce taught both him and her how to speak Navajo. #150 was another great issue to add to the title for OYL, I'm interested to see just how all this takes it's course.

[The Spirit]

^ Yeah I wasn't suprised by it either, great issue nonetheless.

[TheCorpulent1]

Bull****. They better goddamn well give some explanation that the Lazarus Pit ****ed up Cassandra's head or something because that chick in Robin was absolutely nothing like the Cassandra that appeared for the entire duration of the Batgirl series.

[Nightwing]

Bull****. They better goddamn well give some explanation that the Lazarus Pit ****ed up Cassandra's head or something because that chick in Robin was absolutely nothing like the Cassandra that appeared for the entire duration of the Batgirl series.

Probably in the next issue, I wouldn't want her in her current state without an explanation either. If not, they may continue on with it and explain what happend to her in 52. Like what happend with Barbara and Dick, Jones has yet to mention it in his current arc...

[bulok]

Lazarus pit is so convenient how could that not be it? No other explanation except Cassandra's just living up to her childhood training what with her parentage and all.

[WonderWoman]

I agree with both Corpulent and Batman, I think it's the Lazarus Pit as well. :) :O

I hope Cass comes back as Batgirl after this whole thing, she was the best!

[TheCorpulent1]

Just living up to her training doesn't fit with the character established over the last decade at all, though. There has to be something more to it. I'm actually hoping it's not Cassandra at all. Maybe it'll be that Annalea chick impersonating her out of jealousy, since Cassandra was basically Cain's most favored child. I'm grasping at whatever hope I can that Cassandra will somehow turn up back to normal after all of this.

[J.R.]

This has been the best OYL title in my opinion. It'll be interesting to see how everything plays out.

[bulok]

OMG has it been 10 years since NML?? i feel old lol

[SouLeSS]

Can someone give me a quick rundown of 149?

[The Ether]

as long as Cass isn't a villain, I'm ok. Miss the times when she couldn't talk. It gave her so much character development potential.

[warren_sparta27]

i just read #150, and although it was a huge suprise, i'm still shocked.
and saddened that Cass is now a villian :( i was really hoping it was Bane kicking ass again, or Shiva. But oh well, at least we know what happened to Batgirl now :(

[kieron39]

i bet cassie and jason todd hook up (if he doesnt die again), they'll be like the ruthless side of the batman family. i'd like to see that.

[sinewave]

i bet cassie and jason todd hook up (if he doesnt die again), they'll be like the ruthless side of the batman family. i'd like to see that.

that actually would be pretty cool. jason is tied to the league of assasins now so it could happen.

[Nightwing]

Can someone give me a quick rundown of 149?

Basically what happend is that it we Tim inside the GCPD, recovering Batgirl's suit while being chased by a dozen police officers at the same time. They don't stop chasing or shooting him, until he switches his Robin suit with that of an officer to escape. After, he's back at his own safe house examining the suit and his eye catches something that's on the lense of Batgirl's mask. It's a small piece of paper which he later discovers to be written in Navajo. Lady Shiva ends up visiting him, telling him about her new leaf of working with the Birds of Prey. As well as mentioning Nyssa's assasination to him, possibly done by someone in the League of Assasins. Tim later thinks it's Talia behind it all, though in issue #150 we learn it's actually Cassandra. When she leaves, he later decodes the ransom note.

[SouLeSS]

Thanks Batman.

[TheCorpulent1]

OMG has it been 10 years since NML?? i feel old lol
No, it's been about 7. I rounded up in my rage.
i bet cassie and jason todd hook up (if he doesnt die again), they'll be like the ruthless side of the batman family. i'd like to see that.
I hope Jason Todd never rears his ugly head anywhere near Robin. At least he's been mercifully contained to the crappy Nightwing comic OYL, which I'm probably going to drop before much longer anyway. I hate that guy.

[Nightwing]

Just living up to her training doesn't fit with the character established over the last decade at all, though. There has to be something more to it. I'm actually hoping it's not Cassandra at all. Maybe it'll be that Annalea chick impersonating her out of jealousy, since Cassandra was basically Cain's most favored child. I'm grasping at whatever hope I can that Cassandra will somehow turn up back to normal after all of this.

The only problem with that, is that Annalea is dead....

I hope Jason Todd never rears his ugly head anywhere near Robin. At least he's been mercifully contained to the crappy Nightwing comic OYL, which I'm probably going to drop before much longer anyway. I hate that guy.

I dropped it after issue #119. Jones' arc thus far hasn't been as amusing as all the other OYL titles. I don't like his depiction at all of Dick, and I'm hoping that after this whole ordeal of a female Nightwing it over with, that the book will start to pick up again.

[TheCorpulent1]

The only problem with that, is that Annalea is dead....
According to "Cassandra."

[Nightwing]

According to "Cassandra."

She was killed in #149. Why else would Cassandra have called her "sister" before twisting her neck?