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buutenks
02-23-2006, 12:06 PM
Who is stronger DBZ or YYH.I would say that DBZ has the power ,they can destroy Planets,Solar systems,Galaxys.But who do you think would win in a fight?

Jplaya2023
02-23-2006, 12:14 PM
stop this

DBZ chars are the strongest and best in every universe, marvel, DC etc.....

buutenks
02-23-2006, 01:04 PM
stop this

DBZ chars are the strongest and best in every universe, marvel, DC etc.....

Your wrong the DBZ characters are not the strongest in the marvel or dc universe.But their stronger then the YYH gang.

Gotenks
04-05-2006, 05:55 PM
Your wrong the DBZ characters are not the strongest in the marvel or dc universe.But their stronger then the YYH gang.

They are the strongest! who would beat them?

Wolfwood
04-05-2006, 06:39 PM
Yah, when you start blowing up galaxies, there really isn't much competition left....you said it yourself after all. I mean come on, one guy could blow up the sun while the other shoots a laser out of his finger.

Ultra-Herald9
04-05-2006, 06:56 PM
They are the strongest! who would beat them?

Uh I don't know maybe 3/4 of the marvel and dc cosmic characters and other anime chractes as well.

Ultra-Herald9
04-05-2006, 07:11 PM
Yah, when you start blowing up galaxies, there really isn't much competition left....you said it yourself after all. I mean come on, one guy could blow up the sun while the other shoots a laser out of his finger.

Man this is just stupid. When will people understand that destroying a galaxy is not that impressive compared to alot of people. The destructive advantage that the dbz characters hold is that their blasts have HUGE range and thats about it. If the person with the laser finger had is much range as the DBZ characters he could destroy galaxys to because all the universe is is basically rocks,gas,and energy.

Plus what the hell! Blowing up only galaxys still leaves plenty of competition. Need I remind you of a being called the anti-monitor who destroyed entire universes just for kicks. Dbz characters have never faced a being like that and the should be glad that they didn't have to because they would be stomped.:joker:

But really this thread is pretty pointless because by the time of frieza's demise the YYH gang at their best would be whopped.:)

ster
04-05-2006, 09:25 PM
alright it's time to settle this once and for all; who can win: Superman or Goku? My vote goes to Goku.

Gotenks
04-05-2006, 10:04 PM
Uh I don't know maybe 3/4 of the marvel and dc cosmic characters and other anime chractes as well.

um u still have not told me who can beat goku. So i guess there is no one; and dont say superman he is nothing compared to goku

Gotenks
04-05-2006, 10:05 PM
goku

Gotenks
04-05-2006, 10:07 PM
Man this is just stupid. When will people understand that destroying a galaxy is not that impressive compared to alot of people. The destructive advantage that the dbz characters hold is that their blasts have HUGE range and thats about it. If the person with the laser finger had is much range as the DBZ characters he could destroy galaxys to because all the universe is is basically rocks,gas,and energy.

Plus what the hell! Blowing up only galaxys still leaves plenty of competition. Need I remind you of a being called the anti-monitor who destroyed entire universes just for kicks. Dbz characters have never faced a being like that and the should be glad that they didn't have to because they would be stomped.:joker:

But really this thread is pretty pointless because by the time of frieza's demise the YYH gang at their best would be whopped.:)


Need i remind u that when kid buu learned instant transmission he blew up planets in seconds!

My vengeance
04-06-2006, 05:16 AM
alright it's time to settle this once and for all; who can win: Superman or Goku? My vote goes to Goku.
Stop this,please,this discussion will not have an outcome.The debate could continue for hundreds of pages without anybody ultimately giving in to the other's opinion.In a direct fight Yusuke and Co.would get murdered by the Z Senshi,which pretty much closes the topic of the thread.I would recommend we leave it at that.

Gotenks
04-06-2006, 02:50 PM
Stop this,please,this discussion will not have an outcome.The debate could continue for hundreds of pages without anybody ultimately giving in to the other's opinion.In a direct fight Yusuke and Co.would get murdered by the Z Senshi,which pretty much closes the topic of the thread.I would recommend we leave it at that.

We are not going to stop! Why should we give in to your opinion when you said we would not give in to the other's opinion?

Jplaya2023
04-06-2006, 03:39 PM
Man this is just stupid. When will people understand that destroying a galaxy is not that impressive compared to alot of people. The destructive advantage that the dbz characters hold is that their blasts have HUGE range and thats about it. If the person with the laser finger had is much range as the DBZ characters he could destroy galaxys to because all the universe is is basically rocks,gas,and energy.

Plus what the hell! Blowing up only galaxys still leaves plenty of competition. Need I remind you of a being called the anti-monitor who destroyed entire universes just for kicks. Dbz characters have never faced a being like that and the should be glad that they didn't have to because they would be stomped.:joker:

But really this thread is pretty pointless because by the time of frieza's demise the YYH gang at their best would be whopped.:)

The anti monitor cant beat goku in hand 2 hand combat, and he most certainly doenst have the strength to face these DBZ cats who are on another level.

ster
04-06-2006, 03:47 PM
My vengeance is just a DBZ hater, don't listen to him.

My vengeance
04-06-2006, 04:10 PM
My vengeance is just a DBZ hater, don't listen to him.
No.Dragonball is one of my favorite mangas.I just hate it when people insist continously on Superman vs.Gokou in every thread,regardless of the topic.It is frustrating.If you remember,I actually said Gokou beats Superman.

My vengeance
04-06-2006, 04:13 PM
We are not going to stop! Why should we give in to your opinion when you said we would not give in to the other's opinion?
:confused:
I only said we should stay on topic,rather than open a Superman vs.Gokou discussion,which has gone on in many,many,other threads without an outcome.Not being related to the topic at hand,why would you continue it?AND,on a sidenote,I also believe Gokou wins.So...:confused:

ster
04-06-2006, 04:29 PM
You're just using some kind of crazy Nietzsche logic trick. You're just luring us into a trap so that you'll spring it up on us that Super man wins you liar!

My vengeance
04-06-2006, 04:34 PM
You're just using some kind of crazy Nietzsche logic trick. You're just luring us into a trap so that you'll spring it up on us that Super man wins you liar!
No,not at all,I assure you.That amused me,though.:D :up:

Gotenks
04-06-2006, 07:13 PM
:confused:
I only said we should stay on topic,rather than open a Superman vs.Gokou discussion,which has gone on in many,many,other threads without an outcome.Not being related to the topic at hand,why would you continue it?AND,on a sidenote,I also believe Gokou wins.So...:confused:

Ok my bad.

Tsunulia
04-06-2006, 08:34 PM
Are we talkin about Goku vs Yusuke or all of the DBZ heros against all of the Hakusho heros?

ster
04-06-2006, 09:54 PM
we're talking about Superman vs Goku.

Tsunulia
04-06-2006, 10:05 PM
we're talking about Superman vs Goku.





No!!! :mad: Me HATEZEZ SUPERMAN!!!

ster
04-06-2006, 10:16 PM
Superman pwnz Goku!!!

Tsunulia
04-06-2006, 10:18 PM
Superman pwnz Goku!!!


NEVER !!!! :mad:

ster
04-06-2006, 10:38 PM
Goku wins

Tsunulia
04-06-2006, 10:39 PM
Goku wins

That's better

Gotenks
04-08-2006, 12:55 PM
Are we talkin about Goku vs Yusuke or all of the DBZ heros against all of the Hakusho heros?

these are fights i would like to see.

Goku vs Yusuke

Vegeta vs Hiei

Krillen vs kuwabara

Piccolo vs Kurama

Who do you think would win?

Tsunulia
04-08-2006, 02:05 PM
these are fights i would like to see.

Goku vs Yusuke

Vegeta vs Hiei

Krillen vs kuwabara

Piccolo vs Kurama

Who do you think would win?

1 Too close for me to call

2 yet again too close to call

3 Krillen (I would luv to see this)

4 depends on if Yoko pops out for a bit, .....but Piccolo would win IMO

Gotenks
04-08-2006, 02:42 PM
1 Too close for me to call

2 yet again too close to call

3 Krillen (I would luv to see this)

4 depends on if Yoko pops out for a bit, .....but Piccolo would win IMO

The goku and yusuke fight, i would already know who would win but that would be a match no one would forget!

buutenks
04-08-2006, 04:39 PM
The goku and yusuke fight, i would already know who would win but that would be a match no one would forget!

Well it depends if it's sayan saga Goku then I give it to Yusuke but Frieza saga Yusuke is dead.

ster
04-08-2006, 08:01 PM
Goku vs the Green Lantern ok...

who wins?!?!!11?1!!

Gotenks
04-08-2006, 11:41 PM
Well it depends if it's sayan saga Goku then I give it to Yusuke but Frieza saga Yusuke is dead.

...................Dude shut up we are talking about the end of each series yusuke full power vs goku full power.

Gotenks
04-08-2006, 11:42 PM
Goku vs the Green Lantern ok...

who wins?!?!!11?1!!

goku.....................what made u think of that match up?

ster
04-09-2006, 06:50 AM
what about the green lantern vs the goblin of the hobgoblin?

buutenks
04-10-2006, 07:42 AM
...................Dude shut up we are talking about the end of each series yusuke full power vs goku full power.

You do know that ssj1 Goku is FTL,why is he FTL because King kai could keep track of a ship that went in 6 days 4339 light years but could not keep track of ssj Goku and 100% Frieza and when ssj Goku was fighting Perfect Cell,Picolo and the others could not keep track of them and Picolo is on the level of king kai at tracking.And don't say that ssj Gotenks went 12 times around the world in 29 minutes because ssj3 Goku who is a bit stronger then ssj Gotenks was going all over the kaioshin planet in his fight with kid Buu in one second he was going around it.And they have more power in their attacks,they can destroy planets no YYH charecter showed that he can.When ussj Vegeta attacked Perfect Cell with his final flash he needed to make his attack go in space so he wont destroy the planet I have never seen a YYH charecter do like that.

Gotenks
04-10-2006, 11:30 PM
You do know that ssj1 Goku is FTL,why is he FTL because King kai could keep track of a ship that went in 6 days 4339 light years but could not keep track of ssj Goku and 100% Frieza and when ssj Goku was fighting Perfect Cell,Picolo and the others could not keep track of them and Picolo is on the level of king kai at tracking.And don't say that ssj Gotenks went 12 times around the world in 29 minutes because ssj3 Goku who is a bit stronger then ssj Gotenks was going all over the kaioshin planet in his fight with kid Buu in one second he was going around it.And they have more power in their attacks,they can destroy planets no YYH charecter showed that he can.When ussj Vegeta attacked Perfect Cell with his final flash he needed to make his attack go in space so he wont destroy the planet I have never seen a YYH charecter do like that.

Dude everytime z fighters fight it doesn't mean the fight has to be a life or death situation! We already know who would win this match up it is just for fun i mean come on they could just be in a world tournament going full power making sure not to kill anyone. You saying all this little stuff the z fighter have done mean nothing. when goku was going to fight vegeta in the tournament that got inturupted do you think they weren't going to go full power? i mean they would go all out but keep they area safe.Them vs the YYH gang would just be strongest vs strongest!

Trust me you will never know as much as me in Dragonballz............never!

Tsunulia
04-11-2006, 01:51 AM
I liked the old Budukai tournaments, i thought they were much better.

If they were to fight would it be an organized match or would it be like a street fight?

If it's organized then which tournament ring would it be held at? I think the YYH dark tournament ring would be better cuz it's bigger.

SsM
04-11-2006, 02:32 AM
Dragonball Z had stronger characters But i think that YuYu Hakusho had better stories for the most part rescue yukina dvd + Either one of them I can watch over and over Dragonballz was part of my childhood and YYh was part of my teen years so they both hold sentimental value to me. I like them both. Plus Younger Toguro turned out to be a really sad character once his story was fleshed out I felt really bad for him.

buutenks
04-11-2006, 07:03 AM
Dude everytime z fighters fight it doesn't mean the fight has to be a life or death situation! We already know who would win this match up it is just for fun i mean come on they could just be in a world tournament going full power making sure not to kill anyone. You saying all this little stuff the z fighter have done mean nothing. when goku was going to fight vegeta in the tournament that got inturupted do you think they weren't going to go full power? i mean they would go all out but keep they area safe.Them vs the YYH gang would just be strongest vs strongest!

Trust me you will never know as much as me in Dragonballz............never!

You do know that the YYH charecters can't keep up with their speed or power,if Goku goes ssj it's all over for them.

Gotenks
04-11-2006, 01:33 PM
You do know that the YYH charecters can't keep up with their speed or power,if Goku goes ssj it's all over for them.

well yusuke can tap into his demon power,Hiei can unleash his dark dragon powers, kurama can go to yoko, kuwabara can................ok he cant do anything but still thats why he would fight krillen. I mean to me YYH comes second to dbz but i think it would be a good match.

Gotenks
04-11-2006, 01:35 PM
I liked the old Budukai tournaments, i thought they were much better.

If they were to fight would it be an organized match or would it be like a street fight?

If it's organized then which tournament ring would it be held at? I think the YYH dark tournament ring would be better cuz it's bigger.

yeah i was thinking of like the three kings saga tournament but with some of the dbz rules

Gotenks
04-11-2006, 01:38 PM
Dragonball Z had stronger characters But i think that YuYu Hakusho had better stories for the most part rescue yukina dvd + Either one of them I can watch over and over Dragonballz was part of my childhood and YYh was part of my teen years so they both hold sentimental value to me. I like them both. Plus Younger Toguro turned out to be a really sad character once his story was fleshed out I felt really bad for him.

I thought it was so kool when he carried the whole ring on his back from the other tournament. Thats what made me like him as a villian.

buutenks
04-11-2006, 03:09 PM
well yusuke can tap into his demon power,Hiei can unleash his dark dragon powers, kurama can go to yoko, kuwabara can................ok he cant do anything but still thats why he would fight krillen. I mean to me YYH comes second to dbz but i think it would be a good match.

If it's Frieza saga Goku, before he went ssj then it will be a good fight but after he went ssj then he is just to powerful for them and ssj1,2,3 Goku, ssj1,2 Vegeta,ssj1,2 Gohan and Picolo are more durable then a planet because Frieza survived the explosion of planet namek and ssj1,2,3 Goku,ssj1,2 etc are more durable then him.

Warhammer
04-11-2006, 04:52 PM
If it's Frieza saga Goku, before he went ssj then it will be a good fight but after he went ssj then he is just to powerful for them and ssj1,2,3 Goku, ssj1,2 Vegeta,ssj1,2 Gohan and Picolo are more durable then a planet because Frieza survived the explosion of planet namek and ssj1,2,3 Goku,ssj1,2 etc are more durable then him.

Did you just say that a Z fighter is more durable than a planet?

Frieza got lucky and survived the explosion, and did you forget that Frieza was an alien?, meaning that he could still breathe in space.
If Goku had blown up on Namek, he wouldve been dead. If there was even a small piece of him left, he wouldve been dead because he cant breathe in space and his anatomy is totally different from Frieza's alien-like anatomy, allowing Frieza to survive with half of a body.

Besides, Goku at any level of strength would not survive if a planet he was on blew up.

Jplaya2023
04-11-2006, 05:14 PM
Did you just say that a Z fighter is more durable than a planet?

Frieza got lucky and survived the explosion, and did you forget that Frieza was an alien?, meaning that he could still breathe in space.
If Goku had blown up on Namek, he wouldve been dead. If there was even a small piece of him left, he wouldve been dead because he cant breathe in space and his anatomy is totally different from Frieza's alien-like anatomy, allowing Frieza to survive with half of a body.

Besides, Goku at any level of strength would not survive if a planet he was on blew up.

Incorrect they all are more durable than a planet. When frieza destroyed namek's core he never mentioned goku dying because of the planet exploding he said he'll die because he cant breathe in space. He knew him and goku would both survive the explosion.

Goku would of floated in space until he didnt have anymore air then he would of died.

Warhammer
04-11-2006, 05:23 PM
Edit.

Dorian Gray
04-11-2006, 06:00 PM
DragonballZ and YuYu Hakusho weren't that different in comparison IMO, I mean they both would come up with stronger villians almost every saga...and they always needed Yusuke to take them down(much like the Z fighters Bide time while awaiting Goku everytime a villian popped up)...

Hell, Hiei even looks a little like Vegeta

Only thing different is YuYu Hakusho had better characters and they had more depth.

rigel7soldiers
04-11-2006, 06:19 PM
Dragon Ball Z was... okay. I don't like it nearly as much as I used to. Lost much of its lustre after they left Namek.

Dragon Ball was phenomenal. Show-wise, it outclasses Yuyu.

I love Yu yu hakusho, but I hate it a lot, too: Shonen-ai is something I try to stay as far away from as possible, and Yu Yu is awfully close.

Tsunulia
04-11-2006, 09:54 PM
DragonballZ and YuYu Hakusho weren't that different in comparison IMO, I mean they both would come up with stronger villians almost every saga...and they always needed Yuskae(sp?) to take them down(much like the Z fighters Bide time while awaiting Goku everytime a villian popped up)...

Hell, Hiei even looks a little like Vegeta

Only thing different is YuYu Hakusho had better characters and they had more depth.

Yusuke

Gotenks
04-11-2006, 10:05 PM
If it's Frieza saga Goku, before he went ssj then it will be a good fight but after he went ssj then he is just to powerful for them and ssj1,2,3 Goku, ssj1,2 Vegeta,ssj1,2 Gohan and Picolo are more durable then a planet because Frieza survived the explosion of planet namek and ssj1,2,3 Goku,ssj1,2 etc are more durable then him.

um ok i never said anything about durablity. We were talking about dbz vs yyh. You are really not saying anything important. I just think it would be a good fight.

Warhammer
04-11-2006, 10:39 PM
Incorrect they all are more durable than a planet. When frieza destroyed namek's core he never mentioned goku dying because of the planet exploding he said he'll die because he cant breathe in space. He knew him and goku would both survive the explosion.

Goku would of floated in space until he didnt have anymore air then he would of died.

If Goku would have stayed on namek, his body wouldnt be in one piece obviously because not even frieza's body was all in one piece.
Obviously, Frieza wasnt that 100x weaker than Goku was and Frieza's body was damaged by the explosion. I doubt Goku wouldve survived in one piece.

Another reason can be this: Kid Buu blew up Earth. He was seperated into 1892710647 different pieces because of Earth's explosion. Buu had to regenerate. He was stronger than Goku and Vegeta. If Goku and Vegeta wouldve stayed on Earth prior to the explosion, they wouldve been dead. I highly doubt they wouldve been in one piece.

Gohan was also on earth when it exploded. He was blown to bits. His body wasnt drifting in space. That also proves that their bodies arent as durable as a planet, because if they were, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, and Piccolo's bodies wouldve been floating in space and not blown to bits.

Tsunulia
04-11-2006, 10:41 PM
If you can remember....................Saiyans can breathe in a vaccuum. Vegeta and Napa did it when they blew that one planet when they were on their way to earth.

Gotenks
04-11-2006, 10:51 PM
If you can remember....................Saiyans can breathe in a vaccuum. Vegeta and Napa did it when they blew that one planet when they were on their way to earth.

nope if u noticed in the background it shows there ships flying off. Besides if that were true frieza would of been wrong about goku breathing in space and im sure he would of done his research before destroying a whole race.

Tsunulia
04-11-2006, 10:53 PM
nope if u noticed in the background it shows there ships flying off. Besides if that were true frieza would of been wrong about goku breathing in space and im sure he would of done his research before destroying a whole race.

They got in their ships and stopped when they got a good diistance away from the planet. They stood on the doors of the ships then blew it up.

Gotenks
04-11-2006, 11:01 PM
They got in their ships and stopped when they got a good diistance away from the planet. They stood on the doors of the ships then blew it up.

i know what you mean but i thought u said that they detroyed it while they were on the planet. it was my mistake but i think warhammer has something going with this one.

Tsunulia
04-11-2006, 11:04 PM
Ya they definitely wouldn't make it out alive from a blast like that.

buutenks
04-12-2006, 12:44 AM
If you can remember....................Saiyans can breathe in a vaccuum. Vegeta and Napa did it when they blew that one planet when they were on their way to earth.

That was filler.

buutenks
04-12-2006, 12:44 AM
um ok i never said anything about durablity. We were talking about dbz vs yyh. You are really not saying anything important. I just think it would be a good fight.

How can it be a good fight if ssj Goku is 100 times stronger then Yusuke?

buutenks
04-12-2006, 12:50 AM
Another reason can be this: Kid Buu blew up Earth. He was seperated into 1892710647 different pieces because of Earth's explosion. Buu had to regenerate. He was stronger than Goku and Vegeta. If Goku and Vegeta wouldve stayed on Earth prior to the explosion, they wouldve been dead. I highly doubt they wouldve been in one piece.

Gohan was also on earth when it exploded. He was blown to bits. His body wasnt drifting in space. That also proves that their bodies arent as durable as a planet, because if they were, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, and Piccolo's bodies wouldve been floating in space and not blown to bits.

You do know that kid Buu destroyed it with his blast.You do know that his blast was far more powerful then a explosion of a planet and kid Buu is equal with ssj3 Goku.

Gotenks
04-12-2006, 02:22 AM
That was filler.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

Gotenks
04-12-2006, 02:37 AM
How can it be a dood fight if ssj Goku is 100 times stronger then Yusuke?

ok so your saying if someone is stronger then the other its not a ''dood'' fight. Well i think goku vs vegeta part 2 was a very ''dood'' fight and goku was way stronger then vegeta. so what im trying to say is that u dont have to be at the same strength to make it a ''dood'' match and that fight is my proof.

Gotenks
04-12-2006, 02:43 AM
You do know that kid Buu destroyed it with his blast.You do know that his blast was far more powerful then a explosion of a planet and kid Buu is equal with ssj3 Goku.]

Ok so do u agree with him or disagree with him cause what u just said made no sense.

buutenks
04-12-2006, 06:42 AM
ok so your saying if someone is stronger then the other its not a ''dood'' fight. Well i think goku vs vegeta part 2 was a very ''dood'' fight and goku was way stronger then vegeta. so what im trying to say is that u dont have to be at the same strength to make it a ''dood'' match and that fight is my proof.

Sorry I wrote dood when I should have wrote good,sorry.

buutenks
04-12-2006, 06:43 AM
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Ok so do u agree with him or disagree with him cause what u just said made no sense.

I meant that they died because of the blast.

buutenks
04-12-2006, 06:53 AM
Gohan was also on earth when it exploded. He was blown to bits. His body wasnt drifting in space. That also proves that their bodies arent as durable as a planet, because if they were, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, and Piccolo's bodies wouldve been floating in space and not blown to bits.

So if Goku can't surviv the explosion of a planet then it means that if Perfect Cell attacks ssj3 Goku with his Kameha ssj3 Goku will die because if he can't surviv the explosion of a planet then there is no way that he will surviv Perfect Cells kameha which can destroy planets.See if ssj3 Goku can't surviv the explosion of a planet then Perfect Cell could kill him.

Now to tell you that they can surviv a explosion of a planet,why because when ussj Vegeta attacked Perfect Cell with his final flash it only destroyed part of his body but if Vegeta would have attacked ssj3 Goku,Goku wouldn't even be a bit cut by the attack.

Warhammer
04-12-2006, 10:49 AM
You do know that kid Buu destroyed it with his blast.You do know that his blast was far more powerful then a explosion of a planet and kid Buu is equal with ssj3 Goku.


What point were you trying to make? :confused:

Kid Buu still blew up Earth.
His actions caused an explosion.
Earth exploded.

Am I missing something? :confused:

Warhammer
04-12-2006, 10:59 AM
So if Goku can't surviv the explosion of a planet then it means that if Perfect Cell attacks ssj3 Goku with his Kameha ssj3 Goku will die because if he can't surviv the explosion of a planet then there is no way that he will surviv Perfect Cells kameha which can destroy planets.See if ssj3 Goku can't surviv the explosion of a planet then Perfect Cell could kill him.

OK, Perfect Cell was blown up by a Kamehameha.
Perfect Cell put up no resistance from the blast.
He was stronger than Goku at the time.

Am I missing something?:confused:


Now to tell you that they can surviv a explosion of a planet,why because when ussj Vegeta attacked Perfect Cell with his final flash it only destroyed part of his body but if Vegeta would have attacked ssj3 Goku,Goku wouldn't even be a bit cut by the attack.


First of all, SSJ3 Goku would be at least a little bit hurt from a full-on Final Flash. He will quickly brush it off, but he isn't God. He'll have a few scratches, not that he would just stand in the way of a Final Flash anyway. Besides, Goku would try to resist the blast and push it away from him, or He would cross his arms and try to deflect or block it.

And with the Vegeta/Cell thing, just call it bad aim, because that's all that it was.

Gotenks
04-12-2006, 11:02 AM
So if Goku can't surviv the explosion of a planet then it means that if Perfect Cell attacks ssj3 Goku with his Kameha ssj3 Goku will die because if he can't surviv the explosion of a planet then there is no way that he will surviv Perfect Cells kameha which can destroy planets.See if ssj3 Goku can't surviv the explosion of a planet then Perfect Cell could kill him.

Now to tell you that they can surviv a explosion of a planet,why because when ussj Vegeta attacked Perfect Cell with his final flash it only destroyed part of his body but if Vegeta would have attacked ssj3 Goku,Goku wouldn't even be a bit cut by the attack.

yeah....................cell was bluffing.

Gotenks
04-12-2006, 11:08 AM
First of all, SSJ3 Goku would be at least a little bit hurt from a full-on Final Flash. He will quickly brush it off, but he isn't God. He'll have a few scratches, not that he would just stand in the way of a Final Flash anyway. Besides, Goku would try to resist the blast and push it away from him, or He would cross his arms and try to deflect or block it.

And with the Vegeta/Cell thing, just call it bad aim, because that's all that it was.

well trunks warned vegeta that he would destroy the earth if he fired that blast, but vegeta knew what he was doing and destroyed part of his body and did not follow up on the attack.

Gotenks
04-12-2006, 11:12 AM
Sorry I wrote dood when I should have wrote good,sorry.

Yeah yeah yeah i was only joking but do u get what i was trying to tell u. It makes perfect sense. You dont have to be at the same strength to make it a good match.

buutenks
04-12-2006, 01:16 PM
OK, Perfect Cell was blown up by a Kamehameha.
Perfect Cell put up no resistance from the blast.
He was stronger than Goku at the time.

Am I missing something?:confused:





First of all, SSJ3 Goku would be at least a little bit hurt from a full-on Final Flash. He will quickly brush it off, but he isn't God. He'll have a few scratches, not that he would just stand in the way of a Final Flash anyway. Besides, Goku would try to resist the blast and push it away from him, or He would cross his arms and try to deflect or block it.

And with the Vegeta/Cell thing, just call it bad aim, because that's all that it was.

Yeah but still if he can surviv the final flash then it means that ssj3 Goku can surviv the explosion of a planet,now don't say that Vegetas attack was not a planet buster.

buutenks
04-12-2006, 01:19 PM
What point were you trying to make? :confused:

Kid Buu still blew up Earth.
His actions caused an explosion.
Earth exploded.

Am I missing something? :confused:

I'm trying to say that they died because Kid Buu destroyed the earth with his attack which is more powerful then the explosion of a planet.

buutenks
04-12-2006, 01:24 PM
yeah....................cell was bluffing.

When did Cell bluffed,about him saying that he can fire a kameha strong enough to destroy planets?If that's it then that is not a bluff because he can fire blasts strong enough to destroy planets.

Gotenks
04-13-2006, 12:17 AM
When did Cell bluffed,about him saying that he can fire a kameha strong enough to destroy planets?If that's it then that is not a bluff because he can fire blasts strong enough to destroy planets.

Gohan was clowning around with him he should of finished him when he had the chance but wanted him to suffer. so cell fired a huge kamahamaha but gave him the choice to move and then it would blow up the earth cell knew that gohan wouldnt move i mean thats the whole reason they were fighting to save the earth he wanted gohan to take the blast himself

Warhammer
04-13-2006, 11:52 AM
Yeah but still if he can surviv the final flash then it means that ssj3 Goku can surviv the explosion of a planet,now don't say that Vegetas attack was not a planet buster.

Well, you're the one who said that if SSJ3 Goku got attacked from a full-on Final Flash, that ''Goku wouldn't even be a bit cut by the attack''.

Ok, Let's say Frieza shoots a death beam at SSJ3 Goku.
Is the death beam not going to kill him if it goes through his heart?
I am pretty sure it would.
And SSJ3 Goku is 10000x stronger than Frieza.

...Not that Goku would just take the shot anyway.

Gotenks
04-13-2006, 11:59 AM
I'm trying to say that they died because Kid Buu destroyed the earth with his attack which is more powerful then the explosion of a planet.

How would u know its not like the blast from kid buu hit gohan and the others directly

buutenks
04-14-2006, 07:36 PM
Well, you're the one who said that if SSJ3 Goku got attacked from a full-on Final Flash, that ''Goku wouldn't even be a bit cut by the attack''.

Ok, Let's say Frieza shoots a death beam at SSJ3 Goku.
Is the death beam not going to kill him if it goes through his heart?
I am pretty sure it would.
And SSJ3 Goku is 10000x stronger than Frieza.

...Not that Goku would just take the shot anyway.

If it didn't went through ssj Goku then there is no way that it will go through ssj3 Goku.

SsM
04-14-2006, 07:44 PM
wait what.... im so confused 0.o i thought this thread was about which is a better show... is it about whos stronger????


._. heeepppppppp im gunna read back a few pages... This page isnt making any sense to me at all :x


Edit: HEY ive posted in this thread before... weird i dont remember :x


SIgh... im retarded :/

Tsunulia
04-14-2006, 07:49 PM
wait what.... im so confused 0.o i thought this thread was about which is a better show... is it about whos stronger????

Somehow all these threads get turned into the same stupid conversation that no one else cares about. Can't we ever stay on topic without going into who knows what about different super saiyan transformations?

Gotenks
04-15-2006, 12:34 AM
Somehow all these threads get turned into the same stupid conversation that no one else cares about. Can't we ever stay on topic without going into who knows what about different super saiyan transformations?

trust me buutenks knows nothing about anything. Every point he made was wrong in this thread.

buutenks
05-16-2006, 10:50 AM
Ssj1,2,3 can survive the explosion of a planet.

buutenks
05-16-2006, 10:55 AM
Ssj1,2,3 can survive the explosion of a planet.

buutenks
05-16-2006, 11:30 AM
How would u know its not like the blast from kid buu hit gohan and the others directly

They were hit by the blast.

buutenks
05-16-2006, 11:34 AM
Ok you guys have your opinion and I have mine,I think that ssj Goku can survive the explosion of a planet because Freeza survived and ssj Goku is more durable then Freeza and Freeza even said that he'll die because he can't survive in space he didn't say that he'll die in the explosion and because Perfect Cell took Vegetas final flash and only one arm was destroy and ssj2,3 Goku is much more durable so he can survive with easy Vegetas final flash.If you guys think that ssj Goku can't survive the explosion of a planet that's your problem we don't have to agree.

Warhammer
05-17-2006, 05:18 PM
Ok you guys have your opinion and I have mine,I think that ssj Goku can survive the explosion of a planet because Freeza survived and ssj Goku is more durable then Freeza and Freeza even said that he'll die because he can't survive in space he didn't say that he'll die in the explosion and because Perfect Cell took Vegetas final flash and only one arm was destroy and ssj2,3 Goku is much more durable so he can survive with easy Vegetas final flash.If you guys think that ssj Goku can't survive the explosion of a planet that's your problem we don't have to agree.

I call that bad aim.

Warhammer
05-17-2006, 05:20 PM
They were hit by the blast.

Sorry, but I doubt that.

Warhammer
05-17-2006, 05:21 PM
trust me buutenks knows nothing about anything. Every point he made was wrong in this thread.

I'd like to see a Gotenks vs. Buutenks feud again in this thread.

:D

SsM
05-17-2006, 05:36 PM
I'd like to see a Gotenks vs. Buutenks feud again in this thread.

:D


why resurrect this thread? :P

Warhammer
05-17-2006, 05:56 PM
why resurrect this thread? :P

It was interesting to see and it was fun to jump in to.
Also, because the Anime forum is dead.

It needs some more juice.

:cool:

SsM
05-17-2006, 05:57 PM
A few of the forums are dead :/ They axed the justice league forum :(

Warhammer
05-17-2006, 06:00 PM
I know. :(
There was still some juice in that thread with the "Coolest Moments", etc.

Now that it's in the Misc. TV Forum, people will forget about the DCAU.

(Cries)

SsM
05-17-2006, 06:14 PM
yeah.. the JUstice league caption this thread was awesome :/

buutenks
05-18-2006, 07:42 AM
I call that bad aim.

That wasn't bad aim,Vegeta wanted to kill Perfect Cell but only got one arm destroyed and if Freeza could survive the destruction of a planet then I think so could a ssj and above.

buutenks
05-18-2006, 07:43 AM
trust me buutenks knows nothing about anything. Every point he made was wrong in this thread.

Sorry but I think that you know nothing about anything.

Guyverjay
05-18-2006, 08:11 AM
Well, you're the one who said that if SSJ3 Goku got attacked from a full-on Final Flash, that ''Goku wouldn't even be a bit cut by the attack''.

Ok, Let's say Frieza shoots a death beam at SSJ3 Goku.
Is the death beam not going to kill him if it goes through his heart?
I am pretty sure it would.
And SSJ3 Goku is 10000x stronger than Frieza.

...Not that Goku would just take the shot anyway.


Eh?

Goku LET freiza hit him in the face with it and it did nothing.

A ki blasts power level generally has to be higher than the sayain its being fired at to cause fatal damage.

SSJ3 Goku could let freiza hit him all week with anything he wanted and it bounce off his ki field

Gotenks
05-18-2006, 09:04 AM
They were hit by the blast.

No! The planet was hit not gohan and the others! They were killed from the planets explosion.

Guyverjay
05-18-2006, 09:06 AM
Not quite they were killed by the ki explosion which took the planet along with it.

Gotenks
05-18-2006, 09:10 AM
That wasn't bad aim,Vegeta wanted to kill Perfect Cell but only got one arm destroyed and if Freeza could survive the destruction of a planet then I think so could a ssj and above.

Thats true b/c trunks was scared that his dad would destroy the whole earth but vegeta focused all his engery at one point. What he should of done was follow up on that blast.

Gotenks
05-18-2006, 09:13 AM
Not quite they were killed by the ki explosion which took the planet along with it.

Yes i know, but he is saying that the blast hit him directly. So in other words the were killed by the ki explosion but not the ki blast.

Warhammer
05-18-2006, 02:58 PM
Eh?

Goku LET freiza hit him in the face with it and it did nothing.

A ki blasts power level generally has to be higher than the sayain its being fired at to cause fatal damage.

SSJ3 Goku could let freiza hit him all week with anything he wanted and it bounce off his ki field

Actually, Goku bled a little by the blast, even though it did nothing really big to him.
Thus, proving my point to Buutenks that Goku would be cut by a blast, even though Buutenks said that he wouldn't.

Warhammer
05-18-2006, 03:03 PM
That wasn't bad aim,Vegeta wanted to kill Perfect Cell but only got one arm destroyed and if Freeza could survive the destruction of a planet then I think so could a ssj and above.

I'm sorry.
I don't understand why you said that.
I was only talking about Vegeta and his bad aim towards Cell.

Back to topic, call it what you want, but I will always think it was bad aim on Vegeta's part.

Guyverjay
05-18-2006, 04:11 PM
Actually, Goku bled a little by the blast, even though it did nothing really big to him.
Thus, proving my point to Buutenks that Goku would be cut by a blast, even though Buutenks said that he wouldn't.


How does THAT prove anything?:confused:

It made one drop of blood roll down his lip. Goku didn't even ki shield himself.
Freiza was probably 70% anyway and Goku wasn't even powered up to the max since he had just transformed.

Damage is determined by power level of the attack and the power level of the person being attacked

The only real exceptions to this rule is the Kaienzen and makensoppo because they are drill and cut instead of explode. Even then they can be turned away by sufficient ki

Third form freiza used a gazillion death beams on Picollo and while it was ****ing him up, he was far from dying after just one shot.

Beside you are forgetting the cardinal rule of regenerating characters, they get battle damaged ALL THE TIME. Thats the way writers do things. Hulk virtually never got seriously injured until he got giving a healing factor then all of a sudden he was getting ****ed left right and centre just to show his healing ability.


Your comparisons prove nothing as far I'm concerned

Warhammer
05-18-2006, 07:47 PM
Hey, he still got cut.

:cool:

buutenks
05-19-2006, 07:19 AM
Hey, he still got cut.

:cool:

It just made him bleed a bit.

buutenks
05-19-2006, 07:27 AM
Actually, Goku bled a little by the blast, even though it did nothing really big to him.
Thus, proving my point to Buutenks that Goku would be cut by a blast, even though Buutenks said that he wouldn't.

Well,it didn't do much just made him bleed a bit.

Gotenks
05-19-2006, 08:13 AM
Actually, Goku bled a little by the blast, even though it did nothing really big to him.
Thus, proving my point to Buutenks that Goku would be cut by a blast, even though Buutenks said that he wouldn't.

Hey are you talking about regular blast or the engery disk frieza threw at goku that hit him in the face and he started bleeding?

Gotenks
05-19-2006, 08:18 AM
It just made him bleed a bit.

Well to bleed in the face doesnt something have to penetrate the skin?

SsM
05-19-2006, 12:53 PM
0.o

Guyverjay
05-19-2006, 01:07 PM
Hey, he still got cut.

:cool:


Yeah and Krillyn blew a hole through Vegeta

You have no point apart from the fact that characters get injured which everyone knew already:cool:

Warhammer
05-19-2006, 02:47 PM
Yeah and Krillyn blew a hole through Vegeta

You have no point apart from the fact that characters get injured which everyone knew already:cool:

Ok, you are bringing in points that I don't care about.
I only care about Goku being cut by Frieza's energy beam.

You are attacking me and bringing in points that I don't care about.

Warhammer
05-19-2006, 02:49 PM
Hey are you talking about regular blast or the engery disk frieza threw at goku that hit him in the face and he started bleeding?

We are talking about that energy beam that Frieza shot at Goku's mouth, 2 episodes after Goku became a SSJ.

buutenks
05-19-2006, 02:54 PM
We are talking about that energy beam that Frieza shot at Goku's mouth, 2 episodes after Goku became a SSJ.

Goku probably bled because of the force that the ki beam hit him with.

Gotenks
05-19-2006, 03:13 PM
We are talking about that energy beam that Frieza shot at Goku's mouth, 2 episodes after Goku became a SSJ.

Ok the one where he lifted his head right after the attack? I dont think that made him bleed.

Guyverjay
05-19-2006, 03:16 PM
Ok, you are bringing in points that I don't care about.
I only care about Goku being cut by Frieza's energy beam.

You are attacking me and bringing in points that I don't care about.

LOL how am I attacking you:rolleyes:



All you've proven is Gokus lip bled when shot point blank by freiza. You don't Gokus power level at the time, you dont know the power level of the attack. So your argument holds no water

Warhammer
05-19-2006, 03:43 PM
edit.

Warhammer
05-19-2006, 03:45 PM
All you've proven is Gokus lip bled when shot point blank by freiza. You don't Gokus power level at the time, you dont know the power level of the attack. So your argument holds no water

Thats the only point that I tried to make and I made it.
That's it.

Argument is over.

:cool:

Gotenks
05-19-2006, 04:20 PM
Wait i dont remember that happening. You know goku bleeding from the lip from a beam from frieza. I dont think this argument is over just yet! I remember him bleeding but when i saw him get cut was when he let his super sayian aura down and went back to normal.

buutenks
05-19-2006, 06:33 PM
Wait i dont remember that happening. You know goku bleeding from the lip from a beam from frieza. I dont think this argument is over just yet! I remember him bleeding but when i saw him get cut was when he let his super sayian aura down and went back to normal.

When Freeza hit ssj Goku with his death beam and Goku bled a bit,in the manga you needed to look very good to see if he was bleeding,in the manga he just had a very small cut.

Dark-Kenshin
05-19-2006, 07:17 PM
DBZ is overrated in terms of power. I always hear the same thing over and over again about these characters beat able to wipe out galaxies. Blech. That brollly movies isn't even canon.

Yusuke and the gang win this by a land slide.

buutenks
05-19-2006, 07:20 PM
DBZ is overrated in terms of power. I always hear the same thing over and over again about these characters beat able to wipe out galaxies. Blech. That brollly movies isn't even canon.

Yusuke and the gang win this by a land slide.

Can you show me some proof or feats that put them above ssj1 Goku?

buutenks
05-19-2006, 07:21 PM
DBZ is overrated in terms of power. I always hear the same thing over and over again about these characters beat able to wipe out galaxies. Blech. That brollly movies isn't even canon.

Yusuke and the gang win this by a land slide.

And all the statements in YYH are narrative hyperbole.

Dark-Kenshin
05-19-2006, 07:25 PM
[Can you show me some proof or feats that put them above ssj1 Goku]

As I've said in the other thread, we've never seen Goku destroy a planet either. It was just stated that he could. Just as it was stated Yusuke could in canon.

buutenks
05-19-2006, 07:26 PM
[Can you show me some proof or feats that put them above ssj1 Goku]

As I've said in the other thread, we've never seen Goku destroy a planet either. It was just stated that he could. Just as it was stated Yusuke could in canon.

Actually Goku overpowered a blast that was going to destroy earth so he can.

Dark-Kenshin
05-19-2006, 08:45 PM
We didn't see the blast hit the earth. We can only go by what was said, and who was said to be capable of doing whatever. And according to your argument, this could be a hyperbole.

By the way, in dbz, it's been shown that frieza destroys planets by disrupting the core. He doesn't just fire a blast at a random location, hence having the planet destroyed. So in all honesty, this feat of these characters being able to destroy planets with ease is completely misunderstood.

If this were so, they would never be able to contain any of their fights on the earth. Vegeta's self destruction during the buu saga should have destroyed the planet, according to this logic. But it did no more than create a large crater. Same for most of that attacks pulled off during the Gotenks fight. Kid Buu should have destroyed the supreme kai world in an instant. Obviously though, it takes plenty of effort even for him.

buutenks
05-20-2006, 03:43 AM
We didn't see the blast hit the earth. We can only go by what was said, and who was said to be capable of doing whatever. And according to your argument, this could be a hyperbole.

By the way, in dbz, it's been shown that frieza destroys planets by disrupting the core. He doesn't just fire a blast at a random location, hence having the planet destroyed. So in all honesty, this feat of these characters being able to destroy planets with ease is completely misunderstood.

If this were so, they would never be able to contain any of their fights on the earth. Vegeta's self destruction during the buu saga should have destroyed the planet, according to this logic. But it did no more than create a large crater. Same for most of that attacks pulled off during the Gotenks fight. Kid Buu should have destroyed the supreme kai world in an instant. Obviously though, it takes plenty of effort even for him.

What Kid Buu wanted to destroy planet earth with a small ki blast,and Freeza did say that his attack wasn't strong enough to completely destroy planet Namek,he needed a stronger blast to destroy the planet Namek and when Majin Vegeta didn't destroy the earth with his attack was because he controled his ki,he made the blast small enough not to destroy the planet but strong enough to have the power in it to destroy a planet.

Guyverjay
05-20-2006, 03:54 AM
Thats the only point that I tried to make and I made it.
That's it.

Argument is over.

:cool:

LOL

So you make random points for no reason other then to make them?

I can do that too

Ahem "Tien is bald"

Wow what an argument I've got there:rolleyes:

Warhammer
05-20-2006, 10:49 AM
Eh?

Goku LET freiza hit him in the face with it and it did nothing.

A ki blasts power level generally has to be higher than the sayain its being fired at to cause fatal damage.

SSJ3 Goku could let freiza hit him all week with anything he wanted and it bounce off his ki field

Actually, you started it when you posted all of that.
So I didn't make some random point. You came into it.

:)

Guyverjay
05-20-2006, 10:52 AM
Actually, you started it when you posted all of that.
So I didn't make some random point. You came into it.

:)


How can I come INTO something if I started it?

Geez make some sense, all that smiling has obviosuly cut the oxygen off to your brain

Warhammer
05-20-2006, 11:14 AM
How can I come INTO something if I started it?

Geez make some sense, all that smiling has obviosuly cut the oxygen off to your brain

You came into a conversation, but started our feud when you quoted me.

You didn't have to be a smartass about it.

Gotenks
05-20-2006, 11:30 AM
What Kid Buu wanted to destroy planet earth with a small ki blast,and Freeza did say that his attack wasn't strong enough to completely destroy planet Namek,he needed a stronger blast to destroy the planet Namek and when Majin Vegeta didn't destroy the earth with his attack was because he controled his ki,he made the blast small enough not to destroy the planet but strong enough to have the power in it to destroy a planet.

He made some good points and so did u buutenks, but it was not strong enough because he held back because he was scared of the explosion of the planet would kill him. Everything else you said was true about the vegeta thing.

:)

buutenks
05-20-2006, 12:04 PM
He made some good points and so did u buutenks, but it was not strong enough because he held back because he was scared of the explosion of the planet would kill him. Everything else you said was true about the vegeta thing.

:)

Not really,he wasn't afraid,he knew that he'll survive.

Gotenks
05-20-2006, 01:07 PM
Not really,he wasn't afraid,he knew that he'll survive.

No goku was scared but when the planet didnt blow up goku knew that he held back his power so he would not die in the explosion. It states this in the anime and the managa.

buutenks
05-20-2006, 01:15 PM
No goku was scared but when the planet didnt blow up goku knew that he held back his power so he would not die in the explosion. It states this in the anime and the managa.

Well yeah,Freeza didn't want to completely destroy the planet because he wanted to fight Goku.

Gotenks
05-20-2006, 01:22 PM
yes. So what i said was right. I made my point that he held back his power, not that he was not strong enought to do it because he was.

buutenks
05-20-2006, 01:27 PM
yes. So what i said was right. I made my point that he held back his power, not that he was not strong enought to do it because he was.

Well yeah you're right.

buutenks
05-20-2006, 01:31 PM
We didn't see the blast hit the earth. We can only go by what was said, and who was said to be capable of doing whatever. And according to your argument, this could be a hyperbole.

By the way, in dbz, it's been shown that frieza destroys planets by disrupting the core. He doesn't just fire a blast at a random location, hence having the planet destroyed. So in all honesty, this feat of these characters being able to destroy planets with ease is completely misunderstood.

If this were so, they would never be able to contain any of their fights on the earth. Vegeta's self destruction during the buu saga should have destroyed the planet, according to this logic. But it did no more than create a large crater. Same for most of that attacks pulled off during the Gotenks fight. Kid Buu should have destroyed the supreme kai world in an instant. Obviously though, it takes plenty of effort even for him.


And Dark-kenshin if in the show they are stated to be planet busters a charecter must show that he can destroy a planet,if lets say Sensui would have destroyed a planet then yeah every charecter from the show that is stronger then him can destroy a planet and Freeza destroyed planet Namek trhough the core because 1.he wanted to fight Goku

2.and because he didn't put enough power in the blast to completely destroy the planet.

Dark-Kenshin
05-20-2006, 06:42 PM
What Kid Buu wanted to destroy planet earth with a small ki blast,and Freeza did say that his attack wasn't strong enough to completely destroy planet Namek,he needed a stronger blast to destroy the planet Namek and when Majin Vegeta didn't destroy the earth with his attack was because he controled his ki,he made the blast small enough not to destroy the planet but strong enough to have the power in it to destroy a planet.

I've answered this point on the Yusuke vs Goku thread. As for Majin Vegeta though, if he really could control enough energy to destroy a planet or several planets within one square mile, how did that not break a hole into a dimension? It's impossible to control that much power into such a small area without causing some kind of inbalance. Like a black hole for example.

Dark-Kenshin
05-20-2006, 06:47 PM
And Dark-kenshin if in the show they are stated to be planet busters a charecter must show that he can destroy a planet,if lets say Sensui would have destroyed a planet then yeah every charecter from the show that is stronger then him can destroy a planet and Freeza destroyed planet Namek trhough the core because 1.he wanted to fight Goku

2.and because he didn't put enough power in the blast to completely destroy the planet.

Well, how is is that you're willing to accept that Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku, when Goku had never fought against Super Buu(in the manga anyway)?

Also, Frieza didn't destroy namek, because he wanted to get off the planet alive. And that blast that he used had to be VERY WEAK, considering that blast that vegeta used in the saiyan saga was strong enough to destroy the planet.

Nope, I don't buy it. That's just too many contradictions, even for Toriyama.

R_y_u
05-20-2006, 07:47 PM
Goku>Superman

buutenks
05-21-2006, 02:34 AM
Well, how is is that you're willing to accept that Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku, when Goku had never fought against Super Buu(in the manga anyway)?

Also, Frieza didn't destroy namek, because he wanted to get off the planet alive. And that blast that he used had to be VERY WEAK, considering that blast that vegeta used in the saiyan saga was strong enough to destroy the planet.

Nope, I don't buy it. That's just too many contradictions, even for Toriyama.

Earth is much much much smaller then Namek and Freeza wanted to fight Goku,not because he wanted to come back alive of the planet,he knew that he could survive the explosion of the planet.

buutenks
05-21-2006, 02:40 AM
I've answered this point on the Yusuke vs Goku thread. As for Majin Vegeta though, if he really could control enough energy to destroy a planet or several planets within one square mile, how did that not break a hole into a dimension? It's impossible to control that much power into such a small area without causing some kind of inbalance. Like a black hole for example.

Um this is fiction,there doesn't need to be a answer,he just made it small,just like he did when he fired his Final flash at Perfect Cell,Trunks said that he made it small in the last moment so it wont destroy the planet.

buutenks
05-21-2006, 03:07 AM
Well, how is is that you're willing to accept that Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku, when Goku had never fought against Super Buu(in the manga anyway)?

Also, Frieza didn't destroy namek, because he wanted to get off the planet alive. And that blast that he used had to be VERY WEAK, considering that blast that vegeta used in the saiyan saga was strong enough to destroy the planet.

Nope, I don't buy it. That's just too many contradictions, even for Toriyama.

Well,where do you really think I'm getting this,from the manga were else and Goku stated that he and Vegeta couldn't defeat Super Buu.

Dark-Kenshin
05-21-2006, 12:40 PM
Earth is much much much smaller then Namek and Freeza wanted to fight Goku,not because he wanted to come back alive of the planet,he knew that he could survive the explosion of the planet.

Where is it stated that earth is much much smaller than Namek? Frieza didn't want to fight Goku as much as you say he did. Otherwise, he would not have attempted to destroy the planet from the get go. He knew he couldn't defeat Goku, so he was counting on the planet's destruction to do the job for him.

Dark-Kenshin
05-21-2006, 12:42 PM
Um this is fiction,there doesn't need to be a answer,he just made it small,just like he did when he fired his Final flash at Perfect Cell,Trunks said that he made it small in the last moment so it wont destroy the planet.

Even in this fiction, it has been shown that characters can create inbalances(even without trying to) through focusing a large length of power into a small area. SSJ3 Gotenks did this, as did Super Buu.

I agree, DBZ characters can destroy planets without disrupting the core. Just not until the later into the buu saga.

Dark-Kenshin
05-21-2006, 12:45 PM
Well,where do you really think I'm getting this,from the manga were else and Goku stated that he and Vegeta couldn't defeat Super Buu.

Yes, but you said that the YYH characters stating that they can destroy planets shouldn't count, as it has not been shown as a feat. Well, Super Buu defeating Goku has not been shown as a feat either. So according to your logic, it shouldn't count. Plus, Goku has been shown to be wrong. Didn't he overestimate his power in thinking the genki dama would be successful against buu(without any intention of having to use the dragon balls).?

buutenks
05-21-2006, 01:15 PM
Even in this fiction, it has been shown that characters can create inbalances(even without trying to) through focusing a large length of power into a small area. SSJ3 Gotenks did this, as did Super Buu.

I agree, DBZ characters can destroy planets without disrupting the core. Just not until the later into the buu saga.

When Ussj Vegeta fired his Final Flash,Trunks and Krilin said he's going to fire on the surface of the planet?,he's going to destroy earth,you see you are wrong they can destroy planets completely in the Cell saga.A ssj2 can completely destroy planets and so can a ssj,Ussj etc.

Gotenks
05-21-2006, 08:38 PM
Earth is much much much smaller then Namek and Freeza wanted to fight Goku,not because he wanted to come back alive of the planet,he knew that he could survive the explosion of the planet.

No. He was scared the the explosion would kill him so he held back his power.

buutenks
05-22-2006, 12:31 AM
No. He was scared the the explosion would kill him so he held back his power.

Not really,he knew that he will survive,he even said that he will.

Gotenks
05-22-2006, 06:38 AM
Not really,he knew that he will survive,he even said that he will.

Dude me and u had this same agrument in a different thread. if im not mistaken I won that one. He hold's back his power beacuse he was scared that the explosion would kill him too.

buutenks
05-22-2006, 07:36 AM
Even in this fiction, it has been shown that characters can create inbalances(even without trying to) through focusing a large length of power into a small area. SSJ3 Gotenks did this, as did Super Buu.

They can make their attacks small so it won't destroy the planet,you don't need to brake through dimensions to do that,Vegeta just made his attack smaller so it won't destroy the planet just like he did against Perfect Cell.

buutenks
05-22-2006, 09:53 AM
Dude me and u had this same agrument in a different thread. if im not mistaken I won that one. He hold's back his power beacuse he was scared that the explosion would kill him too.

Ok you're right.

buutenks
05-22-2006, 11:37 AM
And Dark-Kenshin a ssj2 and above are solar system busters because Cell stated that he has enough ki to wipe out the hole solar system so that makes it even a harder battle,now I don't really know who would win.

buutenks
05-22-2006, 12:58 PM
Dude me and u had this same agrument in a different thread. if im not mistaken I won that one. He hold's back his power beacuse he was scared that the explosion would kill him too.

Well I think Freeza at 70% can't survive the explosion of a planet but at 100% he can,he stated that if he gets stuck in the explosion he'll lose some of his strength.

Gotenks
05-22-2006, 07:17 PM
But when he fired the blast i dont even think he was at full power.

buutenks
05-23-2006, 01:26 AM
But when he fired the blast i dont even think he was at full power.

Nope he wasn't.

Gotenks
05-23-2006, 08:43 AM
So at that point he would of died no matter what.

buutenks
05-23-2006, 09:12 AM
So at that point he would of died no matter what.

Probably he would or he would probably lose only some of his arms,he did survive this type of an attack: http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume27/Db27ch03/db27_046.gif

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume27/Db27ch03/db27_047.gif

Gotenks
05-23-2006, 02:43 PM
Probably he would or he would probably lose only some of his arms,he did survive this type of an attack: http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume27/Db27ch03/db27_046.gif

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume27/Db27ch03/db27_047.gif

Um yeah its called a spirit bomb.

buutenks
05-23-2006, 03:10 PM
Um yeah its called a spirit bomb.
I know what it's called.

Gotenks
05-23-2006, 05:19 PM
I know how it's called.

..........I hope u mean what it is called

Then why didnt you just say its name instead of showing me a picture?

SsM
05-23-2006, 05:23 PM
:/ Bum bum


STill fighting????


Are you guys arguing over which show is better?? or does every argument usually boil down to Goku Vs whoever :x

Warhammer
05-23-2006, 06:21 PM
It will continue forever.

SsM
05-23-2006, 06:23 PM
guess so :/

Gotenks
05-23-2006, 06:59 PM
Both of you have been in these on going arguments. I was just correcting buutenks on what he said to dark kenshin and then i got pulled in to a argument about a blast destroying namek. I think thats what its about or how strong frieza is.

buutenks
05-24-2006, 06:58 AM
Both of you have been in these on going arguments. I was just correcting buutenks on what he said to dark kenshin and then i got pulled in to a argument about a blast destroying namek. I think thats what its about or how strong frieza is.

I think it's this not these.

Gotenks
05-24-2006, 03:50 PM
I think it's this not these.

dude what are you talking about? Im saying they have both been in on going arguements before in different threads it does not have to be this one. I know what you were trying to say, but you must of read it wrong. So i forgive.

buutenks
05-24-2006, 03:53 PM
dude what are you talking about? Im saying they have both been in on going arguements before in different threads it does not have to be this one. I know what you were trying to say, but you must of read it wrong. So i forgive.

Sorry then.

Warhammer
05-28-2006, 12:05 AM
Looks like somebody is Goku biased. :rolleyes:

Gotenks
05-28-2006, 11:39 AM
goku cant be beat by any marval or dc character that arent gods or dont have universe shaping objects so just stop the threads because there a waste of time and gotenks is right goku is the strongest fighter around end of story

Whoa dont get me wrong i like goku, but he has been beaten.