Opinions on the Symbiote Suit (Post here ONLY)

[slipalong]

antsy = irritable

It's really quite charming.

[THWIP*]

antsy = irritable

It's really quite charming.


NO I'M NOT.......I JUST LIKE TO HAVE FUN WITH PEOPLE; I'M REALLY JUST A TEDDY BEAR. :)

[The Kid]

THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID. :p

... haha, took me a couple minutes, but I get it: Women pretend to enjoy sex sometimes.

[slipalong]

No wonder you have trouble typing... y'know, those big ol paws an' the like.

[Blacksuitspidy3]

I think the image we are seeing here is not Tobey/Peter, but Topher/Eddie. you cannot see his mouth, and doesn't Sony release images of the villains FIRST? Just a thought.

[Asr]

This thread has gone down the tubes. :o

[The Infernal]

NO I'M NOT.......I JUST LIKE TO HAVE FUN WITH PEOPLE; I'M REALLY JUST A TEDDY BEAR. :)

Teddy Bears have freaked me out ever since I saw posters Kanye West's album.

[Daisy]

I think the image we are seeing here is not Tobey/Peter, but Topher/Eddie. you cannot see his mouth, and doesn't Sony release images of the villains FIRST? Just a thought.

I doubt it since the announcement said Spider-Man was in black.

[The Kid]

Blacksuit spidey, you opened my brain and implanted some thought. How about this? JJJ won't have any trouble blaming venom's crimes on spidey because they look almost exactly the same. Whereas in the comic, even though one was a big black monster from alien and the other was blue and red spidey, people thought them to be the same. YESH! Maybe that's why raimi made it the way it is, to serve the story better in the movie.

[Blacksuitspidy3]

I doubt it since the announcement said Spider-Man was in black.

I have no doubt that Spider-man is not going to be in the black suit but I think this is Venom and this is how he is going to look but w/ a mouth full of teeth. How clever Sony to cover the mouth.

[The Kid]

Yes, you are probably correct.

[GoldGoblin]

I have no doubt that Spider-man is not going to be in the black suit but I think this is Venom and this is how he is going to look but w/ a mouth full of teeth. How clever Sony to cover the mouth.

^Venom fans nightmare,but Venom could look just like that picture,and they know it.

[The Infernal]

Blacksuit spidey, you opened my brain and implanted some thought. How about this? JJJ won't have any trouble blaming venom's crimes on spidey because they look almost exactly the same. Whereas in the comic, even though one was a big black monster from alien and the other was blue and red spidey, people thought them to be the same. YESH! Maybe that's why raimi made it the way it is, to serve the story better in the movie.

You're forgetting that Spidey wore that suit in the first place. People don't know about the suit and may just think that it's just another part of his wardrobe. Not to mention that in the comics that Spidey wore 'thread' versions of the suit after losing it.

In the comics Venom started off as not that much bigger than Spidey so who could tell the difference? Few people ever got close enough to the pair of them.

Though you did raise the good point of JJ blaming Spidey for crimes. I hadn't thought of that before. If they use that, it could prove interesting seeing Spidey have to clear his name. Not too mention if Spidey and Venom squared off in public against each other it would be good to see people react to that.

[The Jester]

Did anyone ever think that the Blck costume might not even be a symbiote at all, and just a costume?

[curtisdamian]

Remember when Parker washed his suit with his white clothes and got that tie dye effect. Maybe it was Raimi setting up that Peter didn't know how to do washing. Black clothes + Spiderman suit = Black Spiderman.

[The Last Meatbag]

........

[GoldGoblin]

Did anyone ever think that the Blck costume might not even be a symbiote at all, and just a costume?

^Wake up to reality.

[Logan Howlett]

Not in a million years, if theres a blck costumes it has a purpose. It wont be, "hey honey I acedently screwed up my spider-suits and its back now, think it makes my ass look fat?"

[GoldGoblin]

Not in a million years, if theres a blck costumes it has a purpose. It wont be, "hey honey I acedently screwed up my spider-suits and its back now, think it makes my ass look fat?"

^:)

[Frenzy]

:up: I have no doubt that Spider-man is not going to be in the black suit but I think this is Venom and this is how he is going to look but w/ a mouth full of teeth. How clever Sony to cover the mouth.

I can't believe this - it's right there staring us in the face. YOU ARE SO RIGHT - that's Venom right there in the picture (at least in his first stages of mutation or something).

The covered mouth is the key:) I bet they release another image closer to the release showing his face with a huge grin full of teeth - jesus that would be quite frightening:)

[The Kid]

You're forgetting that Spidey wore that suit in the first place. People don't know about the suit and may just think that it's just another part of his wardrobe. Not to mention that in the comics that Spidey wore 'thread' versions of the suit after losing it.

In the comics Venom started off as not that much bigger than Spidey so who could tell the difference? Few people ever got close enough to the pair of them.

Though you did raise the good point of JJ blaming Spidey for crimes. I hadn't thought of that before. If they use that, it could prove interesting seeing Spidey have to clear his name. Not too mention if Spidey and Venom squared off in public against each other it would be good to see people react to that.

oh yeah, my mistake. Well that's what I'm looking forward too now that venom's pretty much confirmed. Venom and JJJ trying to destroy spidey completely and spidey just trying to redeem himself would have made a great movie on it's own, but that's just my little stupid individual opinion.

[Mr : Parker]

maybe its not even in the movie , just like they did with the trailer of the twins building , i know they got it of the net , but the robbery of the bank was never the meaning to be in the movie :up:

[The Infernal]

oh yeah, my mistake. Well that's what I'm looking forward too now that venom's pretty much confirmed. Venom and JJJ trying to destroy spidey completely and spidey just trying to redeem himself would have made a great movie on it's own, but that's just my little stupid individual opinion.

You're not the only one. I would like to see that myself but like others I'm also worried in case we're overloaded with villains. If someone is built up for the sequel then I don't mind so much.

[-Z-]

Thanks for closing my thread :( (whoever did that)

[TheFuture]

:up:

I can't believe this - it's right there staring us in the face. YOU ARE SO RIGHT - that's Venom right there in the picture (at least in his first stages of mutation or something).

The covered mouth is the key:) I bet they release another image closer to the release showing his face with a huge grin full of teeth - jesus that would be quite frightening:)

Do I detect a pinch of sarcasm?:)

I think it is Spider-man in the picture and definitely not Venom. The only thing I can think of that would make people think its Venom is because of the arm covering the mouth. If it was Venom I would be speechless........in the bad way.

[Frenzy]

I wasn't being sarcastic by the way - I honeslty could see them using that image as a starting point for Venom then having him mutate into the comic version towards the end.:)

[The Kid]

He could get blown up and wow what if the symbiot repaired brock's body but was too damaged to finish the job so it had jagged teeth coming out of it's mouth and it were all gooey and dripping. That'd be awesome.

[TheFuture]

I wasn't being sarcastic by the way - I honeslty could see them using that image as a starting point for Venom then having him mutate into the comic version towards the end.:)


*Trying to think of a reply*

Ermmmmmm........yeah Frenzy, sure.:confused: I was thinking, since these films are aimed at kids, that we might actually be getting pretty much a mirror image Spider-man in every way, and not the scary ass Venom we should be getting. So in that way, I wouldn't be surprised if that was Venom in the picture.

[The Jester]

^Wake up to reality.
You wake up. this is Raimi directing the movie

[Logan Howlett]

I disagree, Raimi is a horor director, evil and scary are his thing i.e. Evil Dead 1 and 2, and Army of Darkness. He had no problem with Ocks tenticles slaughtering the doctors, why would he care about making a scary venom?

[Kurt Wagner]

Sony probably did somethign stupid just for the sake of changing the costume... for example, in a fight scene with sandman, spider-man is knocked into some black paint that permanently ruined his costume.

[The Comedian]

Not in a million years, if theres a blck costumes it has a purpose. It wont be, "hey honey I acedently screwed up my spider-suits and its black now, think it makes my ass look fat?"

Of course it doesn't, black is very slimming

[Machismo]

The picture is NOT of Venom. And for the love of god, he is not hiding a huge set of teeth behind his shoulder. This is Spidey in the Symbiote costume, and Venom will look entirely different.

How would we all had reacted if Sony had released a costume more akin to the classic black? Would we have all said, "It must be Venom!" No, we would have said that it was Spidey in the black costume. It would be foolish to not create a bad ass version of Venom. The symbiote suit is a living thing, living things grow, growing things change. I think the suit will change before moving to Brock, and we will get to see a bad ass version of Venom.

[silversurfur65]

I like !!
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[TheFuture]

I disagree, Raimi is a horor director, evil and scary are his thing i.e. Evil Dead 1 and 2, and Army of Darkness. He had no problem with Ocks tenticles slaughtering the doctors, why would he care about making a scary venom?

Your nuts if you want to compare the Evil Dead franchise(which was banned in Europe when the first film came out) to the Spider-man Franchise, which is a PG/ 12 Cert. Doc's Tentacles slaughtering the surgeons wasn't a big deal, it merely created an illusion of horror. You can definitely compare that scene to when Ash killed his girlfriend by putting a chainsaw to her........or when he chopped off his own hand............or when he........... :rolleyes:

[HughJackFan420]

I like !!
http://www.composerarts.com/RoninChaos.jpg

wow this is perfect!!!!!!!!!!!

SONY ARE YOU WATCHING???????????

[The Infernal]

Your nuts if you want to compare the Evil Dead franchise(which was banned in Europe when the first film came out) to the Spider-man Franchise, which is a PG/ 12 Cert. Doc's Tentacles slaughtering the surgeons wasn't a big deal, it merely created an illusion of horror. You can definitely compare that scene to when Ash killed his girlfriend by putting a chainsaw to her........or when he chopped off his own hand............or when he........... :rolleyes:

No, not outright but there are elements of his earlier work. Specifically when the chainsaw is involved. Also when the woman is dragged off to her death and she clawing at the ground, that is kinda creepy (can't remember if she lost a fingernail or two).

[Advanced Dark]

Hey Mods I think there needs to be a separate forum on Venom & the symbiote. LOL

[GoldGoblin]

wow this is perfect!!!!!!!!!!!

SONY ARE YOU WATCHING???????????

^But not perfect for the movie.

[Spider-jedi]

^But not perfect for the movie.

i concur

[TheFuture]

No, not outright but there are elements of his earlier work. Specifically when the chainsaw is involved. Also when the woman is dragged off to her death and she clawing at the ground, that is kinda creepy (can't remember if she lost a fingernail or two).

Yes I see what you're saying. However we all know what Venom should look like. And we all know we ain't going to get it. Sony are not going to risk scaring the kiddies too much. Because if they do scare away the kiddies, they are also going to scare away Mommy and Daddy's cash. Well maybe I don't give the kids enough credit. If the Parents deem Venom not fit to be viewed by their children then Sony loses out on money. They will make Venom as "marketable" as possible.

[Spider-jedi]

Yes I see what you're saying. However we all know what Venom should look like. And we all know we ain't going to get it. Sony are not going to risk scaring the kiddies too much. Because if they do scare away the kiddies, they are also going to scare away Mommy and Daddy's cash. Well maybe I don't give the kids enough credit. If the Parents deem Venom not fit to be viewed by their children then Sony loses out on money. They will make Venom as "marketable" as possible.

i never thought of it that way.every thing you said is true

[Advanced Dark]

^ Why not the Harry Potter films are getting more mature and quite dark and as you say...scary and they're making loads of cash though much more oveseas than here. The last Star Wars was quite dark as well.

[ZER0C00L]

I like !!
http://www.composerarts.com/RoninChaos.jpg

awesome, that is now my background wallpaper.:up::up::up::up:

its more confusing having the same spidey costume black. if the suit looked like the comic version/animated series then people can understand that the suit is an alien symbiot.

my nephew was confused, he said why is his costume black. i said its an alien symbiot costume. i said hes supposed to look this, and i showed him the comic book and he said so why is his costume just black in the movie?

Rami screwed it up.


^ Why not the Harry Potter films are getting more mature and quite dark and as you say...scary and they're making loads of cash though much more oveseas than here. The last Star Wars was quite dark as well.

the were wolf in harry potter three wasn't scary. it looked like a cartoon character. the same with the mermaid people. there not realisticly scary. they have characteristics in the way they look to soften them up to look less scary.

[TheFuture]

^ Why not the Harry Potter films are getting more mature and quite dark and as you say...scary and they're making loads of cash though much more oveseas than here. The last Star Wars was quite dark as well.

I still would not put Harry Potter on a par with a character that by rights, should have similarities to the Aliens in the "Alien films". Harry Potter has gotten "darker" but still I wouldn't compare bloody Voldemort to Venom.

[ZER0C00L]

I still would not put Harry Potter on a par with a character that by rights, should have similarities to the Aliens in the "Alien films". Harry Potter has gotten "darker" but still I wouldn't compare bloody Voldemort to Venom.

Voldermort wasnt even scary in the film. he seemed to kind towards harry when he should have hated him. i though fines was miscast, the character came off weak.
things like that can water it down from being scary.

[Logan Howlett]

Can anyone make a manip of his head up with th teeth showing, since you started talking about it I realy wana see it.

[Spider-Bite]

This is BS. Theatres don't even ask teenagers for an ID for R rated movies anyways. The 5 year olds sony would lose from doing Venom justice would totally be made up for. If Venom was done justice special effects wise, every single male between the age of 12 and 60 would be in that theatre. It would be irresistable. Not to mention the merchandising it would bring, with T-shirts, posters, toys, sculptures, video games, A venom spin off movie?, and not to mention that 10 years later people would still be buying these movies, and renting them. If Spider-Man is done right for the next 4 movies, then Spider-Man could surely be the next Star Wars!

Look at Batman Begins. I don't think the dark overtone hurt sales at all.

[Spider-Bite]

For a 10 year old Venom wouldn't be much scarier than the Hulk. 5 year olds were scared by the last two movies anyways. My little sister frekaed out when they showed the close up of the spider biting Spider-Man, and she was terrified of Dock Ock.

[CouchQuarterbck]

For a 10 year old Venom wouldn't be much scarier than the Hulk. 5 year olds were scared by the last two movies anyways. My little sister frekaed out when they showed the close up of the spider biting Spider-Man, and she was terrified of Dock Ock.

Yeah...I don't remember the movies ever really being directed towards kids...

[iron_fist0]

The black suit is just lazy as hell! I waited so long to see the black suit on screen for this!

HEY EVERYONE GUESS WHAT THERE'S A HACK TO SEE THE BLACK SUIT IN THE FIRST 2 TWO MOVIES!

1) DESATURATE YOUR SCREEN

2) USE A CHEAP BLACK AND WHITE TV

WORD THE BLACK SUIT IS TEH ILLLLLL

[spideyboy_1111]

I like !!
http://www.composerarts.com/RoninChaos.jpg
its my wallpaper now! :D

[ZER0C00L]

its my wallpaper now! :D
awesome:spidey::up:

The black suit is just lazy as hell! I waited so long to see the black suit on screen for this!

HEY EVERYONE GUESS WHAT THERE'S A HACK TO SEE THE BLACK SUIT IN THE FIRST 2 TWO MOVIES!

1) DESATURATE YOUR SCREEN

2) USE A CHEAP BLACK AND WHITE TV

WORD THE BLACK SUIT IS TEH ILLLLLL

i agree id rather waited years for other spider man movies to pass then to get something like this dumbed down.

[spideyboy_1111]

too bad we cant get the world think this is what were getting rather then the other.. this way sony would be like "wtf we gonna do if the public gets the lesser version when they think there getting the classic one!"
haha

[ZER0C00L]

too bad we cant get the world think this is what were getting rather then the other.. this way sony would be like "wtf we gonna do if the public gets the lesser version when they think there getting the classic one!"
haha

i was thinking that when i showed my nephew. he doesnt know what the symbiot is at all or what it looked like until i showed him the comic book. he thought the movie version was confusing and didnt understand why the same suit be all black. after i showed him the comic book, what it should have been like he thought the comic book was better and he differentiated the alien suit from the red and blue suit better.

[spideyboy_1111]

too bad we cant magically get this manip to the press then... gah :(

[Venom Drool]

too bad we cant magically get this manip to the press then... gah :(
i miss you

[Logan Howlett]

My two new favorites.


http://www.toolsds.com/3.jpg


http://spiderman-web.com/spiderman/wallpaper/spiderman3/topher.jpg

[ZER0C00L]

My two new favorites.


http://www.toolsds.com/3.jpg



^^the brick silk screen patern makes it look like a lizards skin, something of earth.::down:: what i never liked about the spider man movie suit was how he looks like hes wearing boots. in the comics it looked like he was barefoot so his pores can feel through the costume when he stuck to walls.

http://spiderman-web.com/spiderman/wallpaper/spiderman3/topher.jpg[/quote]

it looks more like liquid ink that way.:up::up::up::up: looks alien like.

[HughJackFan420]

^But not perfect for the movie.

and the reason why would be....

[Venom Drool]

that venom manip looks awesome

[ZER0C00L]

and the reason why would be....

yeah i dont see why it wouldnt be either.

when i saw Terminator 2 i thought that cgi would be perfect for a Symbiot spider look. he would be all inky looking and alien like. something not of earth.

it would have worked perfectly on film. anything can. they draw these things to look like people its all about how its created the colors and the shape. anything can be duplicated, not all talents can do it but the one who is talented can bring it to life. look at ninja turtles that was done 15 years ago. giant turtles is a lot easier then a black and white symbiot suit.

Rami and sony just didnt want to do it. they compromised.

[JBacon]

I like !!
http://www.composerarts.com/RoninChaos.jpg

1280x1024 version plz. :up:

[Venom Drool]

1280x1024 version plz. :up:
1280 X 768 :o

[chaseter]

Yes I see what you're saying. However we all know what Venom should look like. And we all know we ain't going to get it. Sony are not going to risk scaring the kiddies too much. Because if they do scare away the kiddies, they are also going to scare away Mommy and Daddy's cash. Well maybe I don't give the kids enough credit. If the Parents deem Venom not fit to be viewed by their children then Sony loses out on money. They will make Venom as "marketable" as possible.

I agree with what you are saying and I hope it is not that way. I want Venom to be a black, huge scary beast that will stop at nothing to kill Spider-Man. Even if people get in the way.

[Spider-Bite]

^^the brick silk screen patern makes it look like a lizards skin, something of earth.::down:: what i never liked about the spider man movie suit was how he looks like hes wearing boots. in the comics it looked like he was barefoot so his pores can feel through the costume when he stuck to walls.

http://spiderman-web.com/spiderman/wallpaper/spiderman3/topher.jpg

it looks more like liquid ink that way.:up::up::up::up: looks alien like.[/quote]

Yeah but it doesn't really look alive, and the audience will think it's just bright cartoony colored CGI, and they wont really know it's supposed to look like that. I think the texture of the movie costume is better, and it's got potential. I think with the movie texture they could make it look like it's breathing.

[ZER0C00L]

^^
it supposed to look like ink.
the movies version looks like lizard scales. it doesnt look like it dripps and covers his body like ink. it has texture of a lizard.

[DareDemon]

too bad we cant get the world think this is what were getting rather then the other.. this way sony would be like "wtf we gonna do if the public gets the lesser version when they think there getting the classic one!"
haha

Yeah, too bad we can't force our opinions on to others.

I dunno, I like the movie's costume more than the manip. It looks....I dunno, I just don't. It works in the comics, I like it there. But on screen I think what they did looks much better. And I have been reading the comics for a looooooong time.

If Venom, however, looks like this, I will be disappointed major. I could live without him having the white spider, but he better be a big black monster (with no webbing on the suit). Like in the Ultimate Spider-Man game. I don't know how to do his eyes though.

[The Kid]

^^the brick silk screen patern makes it look like a lizards skin, something of earth.::down:: what i never liked about the spider man movie suit was how he looks like hes wearing boots. in the comics it looked like he was barefoot so his pores can feel through the costume when he stuck to walls.

http://spiderman-web.com/spiderman/wallpaper/spiderman3/topher.jpg
it looks more like liquid ink that way.:up::up::up::up: looks alien like.[/quote]

Or leather so it'll really be like spidey is in the matrix when he does his slow-mo spidey sense thing. I like the scales look more.

[ZER0C00L]

its not about forcing your opinion. People find the movie version confusing. compared to the comic it becomes even more dumb to change it.

its easier to differentiate the alien suit from the regular spider man suit. turning the same suit black is confusing.

it looks more like liquid ink that way. looks alien like.
Or leather so it'll really be like spidey is in the matrix when he does his slow-mo spidey sense thing. I like the scales look more.[/quote]

that would be vinyl trinity wore. and that material does look like ink.

[matrix_ghost]

Well it seems everybody knows about the black suit. Even PVP.( btw any PvP fans here :D)

http://www.pvponline.com/archive/2006/pvp20060227.gif

[Venom Drool]

meh

[Weadazoid]

That is Spiderman effected by the symbyote, now we don't know if the Symbiote will be ailen or something else, one idea all be it odd is this.

the symbiote is designed by a lab as the device to trap and hold sand man..to contain his molecular struture, it is meant to bond with Sandman and contain him.

Durring a fight somthing goes wrong and Spiderman gets shot with the goo, and it it bonds to his costume

NOT SAYING ANY OF THAT IS TRUE JUST AN IDEA, not even mine but given Rami it is an example of how he could take the Ailen factor out of the Symbiote. Rami doesn't love the alienness of Venom

Or it could be an alien who knows


But at any rate my theory is this venom bonds to spidey while he has his blue and red gear on, it changes the color of the blue and red gear.

He can still take it off at first... it takes time in the movies to try and realy bond with him.. so Spidey only has one outfit he has to deal, with the color change but thats all he thinks it is.

Until he notices that he is stronger, not sure how they would show this, ect ect.. then the pain and the decreased ability to remove the costume, finaly leading to the rejection and life trully being evident in the suit.

When it Bonds to Eddy it no longer looks like the OG costume, it still has the scales cause hey they are cool, but the webbing for the most part is gone , and the spider symbol is bigger bright white and bigger eyes ect ect.


So in my estimation when the Symbiote is on peter his old costume will look pretty much the same the webbing ect ect

But when it merges with Brock finaly it will look more like:











I like !!
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[Logan Howlett]

Omg, Lmfao!

[GoldGoblin]

it looks more like liquid ink that way.:up::up::up::up: looks alien like.

Or leather so it'll really be like spidey is in the matrix when he does his slow-mo spidey sense thing. I like the scales look more.[/QUOTE]

^Yeah,that would look like they were coping the Matrix.The scales are better.:up:

[ZER0C00L]

Well it seems everybody knows about the black suit. Even PVP.( btw any PvP fans here :D)

http://www.pvponline.com/archive/2006/pvp20060227.gif


exactly another dumb stero type to do to this movie.

when the suit being a parasite host is why its really evil. the suit looking nothing like the original spidey threads should be the way to know its bad not just becuase its black.

another reason why i dont like the suit being just black.

[The Kid]

I don't get it. It's black, not brown.

[DareDemon]

its not about forcing your opinion. People find the movie version confusing. compared to the comic it becomes even more dumb to change it.

its easier to differentiate the alien suit from the regular spider man suit. turning the same suit black is confusing.

Confusing to your 5-year-old nephew maybe. But most people would be able to tell the difference.

It makes sense anyway, the symbiote is supposed to look like what he wants it to look like. Namely, his normal costume (except black). I don't think that's why they did it though, not because it makes sense in the story (cause you can easily say the comic's version is in his subconcious), but because it just looks better. It looks too smooth in the comic's version. Like I said, it works in the comics, but it just doesn't look right to me on screen. I don't think I would have complained if they did do the comic's way, but I think this looks better.

Like I said, as long as Venom looks like he does in the comics (minus the white spider, althought it MIGHT work), I'm happy.

[ZER0C00L]

Confusing to your 5-year-old nephew maybe. But most people would be able to tell the difference.

It makes sense anyway, the symbiote is supposed to look like what he wants it to look like. Namely, his normal costume (except black). I don't think that's why they did it though, not because it makes sense in the story (cause you can easily say the comic's version is in his subconcious), but because it just looks better. It looks too smooth in the comic's version. Like I said, it works in the comics, but it just doesn't look right to me on screen. I don't think I would have complained if they did do the comic's way, but I think this looks better.

Like I said, as long as Venom looks like he does in the comics (minus the white spider, althought it MIGHT work), I'm happy.

my nephew isnt five. hes 8 years old and a very bright kid.

the main problem is the same suit is just all black. If he wore a suit that was the one from the comics/animated show it would be easier to differentiate the two. especially for a mass audiance.

black is evil? thats just dumb.

[matrix_ghost]

exactly another dumb stero type to do to this movie.

when the suit being a parasite host is why its really evil. the suit looking nothing like the original spidey threads should be the way to know its bad not just becuase its black.

another reason why i dont like the suit being just black.

Jeez , get a grip. It's a satirical comic.

[Logan Howlett]

I thought it was funny as hell!

[ZER0C00L]

Jeez , get a grip. It's a satirical comic.

its still true. people have told me i shouldn't wear black. i would get stereotyped for wearing black threads.

same with johnny cash. they didnt want him to wear black. its considered bad.

they dumbed the audiance down, the suit is just black its ingrained in peoples minds to believe bad people wear black. boring.

[DareDemon]

my nephew isnt five. hes 8 years old and a very bright kid.

the main problem is the same suit is just all black. If he wore a suit that was the one from the comics/animated show it would be easier to differentiate the two. especially for a mass audiance.

black is bad? thats just dumb.

Yeah I forgot the age and I thought he was five or six :O

It's still easy to see them apart. Bright colors vs. dark colors. It's really easy. And I'm partially colorblind, even.

I didn't say black is bad. I want it to be black. Unless you mean I'm saying "The costume has to be black cause he's evil", in which case I'm gonna say it should be black, cause it looks best that way. I don't want a total deviation from the comics, and in the comics it was mainly black. Not to mention, black is a scarier color. Not because I'm racist like the cartoon says, but because darkness is black, and darkness goes into the unknown, and the unknown scares people. That is why evil people always wear black. It's a scary color. Same with red, cause it's the color of fire/blood and stuff.

[The Kid]

Pink is innocence, I think.

[ZER0C00L]

Yeah I forgot the age and I thought he was five or six :O

It's still easy to see them apart. Bright colors vs. dark colors. It's really easy. And I'm partially colorblind, even.

I didn't say black is bad. I want it to be black. Unless you mean I'm saying "The costume has to be black cause he's evil", in which case I'm gonna say it should be black, cause it looks best that way. I don't want a total deviation from the comics, and in the comics it was mainly black. Not to mention, black is a scarier color. Not because I'm racist like the cartoon says, but because darkness is black, and darkness goes into the unknown, and the unknown scares people. That is why evil people always wear black. It's a scary color. Same with red, cause it's the color of fire/blood and stuff.

i just think the suit should have the big alien like white eyes and the venom symbol. no webs.

i can do with out the brick pattern but if it loses to much from what the sourse material is then its not the sourse material anymore. its boring.

the symbiot black and white suit made loads of money from the original why do they always question it wont again?

hollywood is known for this, ripping other movies ideas off and redoing again and again.

one would think when they have a profit like spider man they would reuse the ideas that worked so well in the comics and art.

they really need someone apart of these movies with a pair of balls to stand up to people who compromise these things.

[Spider-Bite]

Pink is innocence, I think.

nope, it's white.

[matrix_ghost]

its still true. people have told me i shouldn't wear black. i would get stereotyped for wearing black threads.

same with johnny cash. they didnt want him to wear black. its considered bad.

they dumbed the audiance down, the suit is just black its ingrained in peoples minds to believe bad people wear black. boring.


I dunno , in this day and age Black is even considered to be cool and stylish.

Matrix Movies. Black coats , black leather , black suits , black shaes , instant coolness.

Blade Movies , black coats , black shades , instant coolness

The list goes on and on.

Black is stylish.

[ZER0C00L]

I dunno , in this day and age Black is even considered to be cool and stylish.

Matrix Movies. Black coats , black leather , black suits , black shaes , instant coolness.

Blade Movies , black coats , black shades , instant coolness

The list goes on and on.

Black is stylish.

yeah i like that, they were trying to say the good guys wear black.

spidey is going ass backwards. with all black is bad. If the suit had a different look that could be why its bad. instead its just all black.

[The Kid]

nope, it's white.

lol. ok

[ZER0C00L]

id be so much happier if all we had to talk about is why the suit was cool and how they got it right.

when the original spider man suit came out there was more good to say there was no changes to the original design. thats when they got it right.

with this new suit more people talk about whats in his eye. there are so many manips of what it should have looked like. people are unhappy and question what other changes will be made to the character and other characters...thats when you know theres a problem.

[matrix_ghost]

yeah i like that, they were trying to say the good guys wear black.

spidey is going ass backwards. with all black is bad. If the suit had a different look that could be why its bad. instead its just all black.

id be so much happier if all we had to talk about is why the suit was cool.

when the original spider man suit came out there was more good to say then bad about it. becuase there was no changes to the original design. thats when they got it right.

with this new suit more people talk about whats in his eye. there are so many manips of what it should have looked like. people are unhappy and question what other changes will be made to the character and other characters...thats when you know theres a problem.


I think it more has to do with the fact that Raimi is straying more and more away from the comics to make his own version of the spiderman movies.
One thing that fans want is to see thier version of the comic on the BIG SCREEN. Not with SPiderman 1 , you kinda had that . With 2 you had a villain who turned into a pussy , not to mention a love story that makes Gone With The Wind look like a rambo movie in terms of pacing ( god that crap had me sleeping in the cinema).

And especially with this costume...well. Personally i think it all comes down to continuity.
I'l'admit that i haven't read spiderman comics, but all the info i get is from the net & wikipedia.
Wasn't the first comic to protray the Black costume of spiderman , that of secret wars storyline ? Correct me if i'm wrong.

So if you have a storyline established , you can alter or change it , but for continuity's sake you keep the characters the same.
It's like batman. You have some comics where his suit is very blue , some where the ears are smaller or some where the symbol is changed from yellow to black. In the end the suit isn't changed drastically . Same with the black suit in the comics. It's not changed drastically , and only the storyline is changed.


I think that same thing also applies to the movie version of spiderman. There should be a sense on continuity and not just because a couple of thousands fans want the black costume as it's depicted in the comics. Cause there are probably millions of non-comic fans who just enjoy the spiderman movies and for them it will be a bit hard to understand just why a big white spiderman is one the black suit. I mean they probably will have to come over the shock that the suit itself is already black. To add a completely white spider as well might be a little to much to explain.


That's just my take on it :)

[The Kid]

I want to see the movie already. Hurry up, raimi!

Oh I get it now. Yeah, like how spidey's suit is basically like the comic suit. Yeah that'd have been nice.

[Mr. Socko]

If that pic is CG then they could definitely change the costume look.

[ZER0C00L]

I think it more has to do with the fact that Raimi is straying more and more away from the comics to make his own version of the spiderman movies.
One thing that fans want is to see thier version of the comic on the BIG SCREEN. Not with SPiderman 1 , you kinda had that . With 2 you had a villain who turned into a pussy , not to mention a love story that makes Gone With The Wind look like a rambo movie in terms of pacing ( god that crap had me sleeping in the cinema).

And especially with this costume...well. Personally i think it all comes down to continuity.
I'l'admit that i haven't read spiderman comics, but all the info i get is from the net & wikipedia.
Wasn't the first comic to protray the Black costume of spiderman , that of secret wars storyline ? Correct me if i'm wrong.

So if you have a storyline established , you can alter or change it , but for continuity's sake you keep the characters the same.
It's like batman. You have some comics where his suit is very blue , some where the ears are smaller or some where the symbol is changed from yellow to black. In the end the suit isn't changed drastically . Same with the black suit in the comics. It's not changed drastically , and only the storyline is changed.


I think that same thing also applies to the movie version of spiderman. There should be a sense on continuity and not just because a couple of thousands fans want the black costume as it's depicted in the comics. Cause there are probably millions of non-comic fans who just enjoy the spiderman movies and for them it will be a bit hard to understand just why a big white spiderman is one the black suit. I mean they probably will have to come over the shock that the suit itself is already black. To add a completely white spider as well might be a little to much to explain.


That's just my take on it :)

thats a nice way of saying it but these changes aren't good ones turthfuly.

they shouldn't dumb things down either and doubt the audience's intelligence either.

[Logan Howlett]

DUDE! THIS IS SO COOL!

http://x11.putfile.com/2/5115265836.gif

[Mr. Socko]

Yeah, it's cool. But I like the first better.

[ZER0C00L]

DUDE! THIS IS SO COOL!

http://x11.putfile.com/2/5115265836.gif

awesome.

soon fans wont even have to watch these Hollywood movies turn there heros into something there not.

they could Re-Edit. Animate over and make it how it's supposed to be:up:

this could be an amazing future for entertainment.

[ZER0C00L]

and i just hit my one thousandth post.

[M.O.Steel]

I dunno , in this day and age Black is even considered to be cool and stylish.

Matrix Movies. Black coats , black leather , black suits , black shaes , instant coolness.

Blade Movies , black coats , black shades , instant coolness

The list goes on and on.

Black is stylish.

Actaully, while we as the audience see them as the good guys, they are still technically criminals in the movies. Neo is running away from the agents, Blade, batman, punisher, they are always running away from the law at the end of the day. So in theory, they are still the bad guys. Spiderman and superman, good guys that stay around.

[envybianchi]

That's a really cool pic of Spidey. The scales make a nice detail to it. So is this Spiderman merged with the Symbiote? Sorry if that question has been asked but I haven't been on this forum for awhile. Last I know, Sandman was to be one of the villians. Is Venom the 2nd? That'd be really cool!

[Sub-Zero]

i'm really surprised that no one has maniped that manip of the black costume. everyone's talking about how the black widow symbol doesn't wrap around him like in the comics, yet no one has done anything.

[Unleashed]

Pure BAD-ASSNESS!!!!

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/217/sm3venom2kf.gif

[chaseter]

Don't like the costume because it is simply the regular old costume but black. Dull to me.

[GoldGoblin]

Isn't it something how Venom fans told people who didn't want Venom in the movie to deal with it,because we have Dunst,confirming it,Church confirming it,etc.

But then when Sony officially reveals the black spidey suit,Venom fans can't except it,because they don't like what they see.

They make up all these ludicrous reasons why the picture Sony revealed looks like that.Like the suit will morph into the classic costume,or that it is a black and white picture even though Sony says it's not,etc.

So basically it doesn't matter if it's a rumor or if it's a fact released by Sony,if Venom fans like it then it's fact,if Venom fans hate then it's fake.

[olsen103]

DUDE! THIS IS SO COOL!

http://x11.putfile.com/2/5115265836.gif

That was sick :eek: :up:

[chrisguyver]

Isn't it something how Venom fans told people who didn't want Venom in the movie to deal with it,because we have Dunst,confirming it,Church confirming it,etc.

But then when Sony officially reveals the black spidey suit,Venom fans can't except it,because they don't like what they see.

They make up all these ludicrous reasons why the picture Sony revealed looks like that.Like the suit will morph into the classic costume,or that it is a black and white picture even though Sony says it's not,etc.

So basically it doesn't matter if it's a rumor or if it's a fact released by Sony,if Venom fans like it then it's fact,if Venom fans hate then it's fake.


:up: :D

[E.Brock]

that brings a tear to my eye man....work of dam art

[muscaremy]

thats some nice underworld and that movie with quaid,scarlett and topherness

[spyderman2k4]

Isn't it something how Venom fans told people who didn't want Venom in the movie to deal with it,because we have Dunst,confirming it,Church confirming it,etc.

But then when Sony officially reveals the black spidey suit,Venom fans can't except it,because they don't like what they see.

They make up all these ludicrous reasons why the picture Sony revealed looks like that.Like the suit will morph into the classic costume,or that it is a black and white picture even though Sony says it's not,etc.

So basically it doesn't matter if it's a rumor or if it's a fact released by Sony,if Venom fans like it then it's fact,if Venom fans hate then it's fake.

I agree :up: I've said it before and I'll say it again... no matter what, people will never be satisfied.

[Reikowolf]

I agree :up: I've said it before and I'll say it again... no matter what, people will never be satisfied.


Same!

a real Venom fan would not nitpick... they would be happy that the character was in the film and focus on the good aspects of the adaptation.

People that complain usually do it to prove they're L33t and know more about certain subject matter.

Sure, sometimes things end up poorly... but why focus on the bad when there's so much good there?

A lot of hard work goes into making movies and although sometimes the product isn't what someone likes it to be... doesn't mean that ALL people didn't enjoy the movie.

I'm not a big Venom fan but I do like where the films are going. The same way I like the differences between regular marvel and ultimate marvel.. Film marvel has become its own thing.. and that's the way people should take it

:D

[Chaos Bringer]

that image isn't enough to make a judgement call. More please...

[Logan Howlett]

Go here.



http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219613

[The Hurricane]

Pure BAD-ASSNESS!!!!

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/217/sm3venom2kf.gif

Thats F***ing sweet

[War Lord]

DUDE! THIS IS SO COOL!

http://x11.putfile.com/2/5115265836.gif

Is this for real or is it a manipulated fan-flic?

[kieron39]

My two new favorites.


http://www.toolsds.com/3.jpg


http://spiderman-web.com/spiderman/wallpaper/spiderman3/topher.jpg

love that 1st one!!! i seen the second one around before, but is it topher or tobey, they both look like peter parker from spider-man 1.
but the 1st one WOW! i like how they still got bits of the symbiote on spidey.

[Logan Howlett]

Is this for real or is it a manipulated fan-flic?

Manip all the way bro.

[Logan Howlett]

love that 1st one!!! i seen the second one around before, but is it topher or tobey, they both look like peter parker from spider-man 1.
but the 1st one WOW! i like how they still got bits of the symbiote on spidey.


Its Topher Grace. I honestly think he would have made a better Spider-Man than Tobey Maguire anyway.

[polm]

noobs

http://www.cineactual.net/poster/detallespiderman.htm

[Arcturus]

Omg I Just Spotted The Teletubbies In The Upper-right Corner Of Spideys Eye!

[Logan Howlett]

lol

[ZER0C00L]

Its Topher Grace. I honestly think he would have made a better Spider-Man than Tobey Maguire anyway.

i agree, Topher can be funny. Maguires a walking stiff. The spider man films are just backwards.

[Red]

i agree, Topher can be funny. Maguires a walking stiff. The spider man films are just backwards.

Well we do have a blonde playing MJ and a redhead playing Gwen Stacy :confused:

[Logan Howlett]

Its like we're in bizzaro spider world! :p

[Masut]

Is the webbing on the Black Suit actually black? I know it appears silver in the pic, but that may just be light reflection. If it's black, then I think it'll look pretty cool on screen!

[Vile]

Vile,

How did they ruin Doc Ock? I don't know much about him but in my ignorance I thought they were fairly true.

Sorry about this - a tad late in my replay.

I'll keep it short as I dont want this thread to transform...

Octopus from the comics was not a cliche lovable man turned evil by his nasty mean ol' tentacles. He was never a hero. He never...saved the day.

[spyderman2k4]

Is this for real or is it a manipulated fan-flic?


fan made (the "WormyT" at the bottom... it was made by... WormyT)

[Chris Wallace]

Should be pretty obvious. No way would Sony have released that much fottage so soon & a lot of it's clearly recycled; this isn't the 90's carton.

[garek007]

This is all I'm going to say then I have to stop reading this ****e.

That interpretation of the black costume suuuuuuuucccccccckkkkkkkkkksssssss!!!!!!

Vote NO! Save the franchise!

[wolfsfang]

Is this for real or is it a manipulated fan-flic?

Well I know for a fact that it is a manipulated fan-flic. Why you ask? The answer is simplicity itself.

Venom's hand and legs landing on something and a few moments later Venom in what appears to be a roar or scenes from one of my favourite films, the brilliant Underlworld.

The jump is where the Lycans are about to attack the train with one of the Vampire elders inside

The roar is one of the self same Lycans in the middle of their transformation

Seeing as I have seen Underworld well over one hundred times (probably nearing the two hundred mark) those are two scenes/images I just instantly recognise no matter how well manipulated they are

[ProjectPat2280]

This is all I'm going to say then I have to stop reading this ****e.

That interpretation of the black costume suuuuuuuucccccccckkkkkkkkkksssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

Vote NO! Save the franchise!

Well good for you, you are in the MINORITY, thatll be all, good bye!!

[Sean Adisano]

This is all I'm going to say then I have to stop reading this ****e.

That interpretation of the black costume suuuuuuuucccccccckkkkkkkkkksssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

Vote NO! Save the franchise!

my vote is that your an idiot :up:

[ProjectPat2280]

my vote is that your an idiot :up:

HAHA, thats great, yep, i vote YOU(garek007)=IDIOT as well, well put SeanA, well put.

[Sean Adisano]

HAHA, thats great, yep, i vote YOU(garek007)=IDIOT as well, well put SeanA, well put.

(stands up and takes a bow) Your TOO kind, really you are :O

[Daisy]

my vote is that your an idiot :up:

Guys, back off the smart-ass retorts, k?

Thanks

[ProjectPat2280]

Guys, back off the smart-ass retorts, k?

Thanks

Awwww but whyyy, theyre sooo much more fun!!!

[Daisy]

Awwww but whyyy, theyre sooo much more fun!!!

Because this forum has gotten way out of hand. People are jumping down others' throats every opportunity they get, and it gets tiring to hear all the complaints.


"He called me a 'fill-in-the-blank'. That was totally uncalled for."

"There was no need for her insulting comments here. I just stated my opinion."

"This guy's just rude."

"This was totally uncalled for. Ban him."

The thing is, there's a certain amount of truth in what is being said, and it's not any one person, it's many... and it's people who are pleased with the direction of the film as much as those who aren't. Both groups antagonize each other, and it has to stop.

There's a bunch of people who go around looking for slights/insults/etc. They say "he said it like it was fact, when it's just his opinion." Well, DUH! People shouldn't have to say IMO every time. Unless someone is going around saying "this/that is a fact"... just assume it's their opinion/position.

Also, this isn't a formal debate. There's no arbiter, and NO ONE here has the authority to declare that someone else's opinion is "invalid". It might be supported by misinformation, and you can point that out, or it might not be supported by anything other than their "feeling", and you can point that out too. You can't, however, tell them that their 'wrong' for feeling that way, nor badger them to "back up their opinion" to your satisfaction. If they don't put forth an argument for their position that satisfies you, then don't listen to them.

I really don't want this forum to have to have "for" and "against" threads for every topic. That's childish. It suggest that people here aren't mature enough to be able to handle seeing a differing opinion, and I think people here are bigger than than. I will be extremely disappointed if you all prove me wrong here.

[ProjectPat2280]

Because this forum has gotten way out of hand. People are jumping down others' throats every opportunity they get, and it gets tiring to hear all the complaints.


"He called me a 'fill-in-the-blank'. That was totally uncalled for."

"There was no need for her insulting comments here. I just stated my opinion."

"This guy's just rude."

"This was totally uncalled for. Ban him."

The thing is, there's a certain amount of truth in what is being said, and it's not any one person, it's many... and it's people who are pleased with the direction of the film as much as those who aren't. Both groups antagonize each other, and it has to stop.

There's a bunch of people who go around looking for slights/insults/etc. They say "he said it like it was fact, when it's just his opinion." Well, DUH! People shouldn't have to say IMO every time. Unless someone is going around saying "this/that is a fact"... just assume it's their opinion/position.

Also, this isn't a formal debate. There's no arbiter, and NO ONE here has the authority to declare that someone else's opinion is "invalid". It might be supported by misinformation, and you can point that out, or it might not be supported by anything other than their "feeling", and you can point that out too. You can't, however, tell them that their 'wrong' for feeling that way, nor badger them to "back up their opinion" to your satisfaction. If they don't put forth an argument for their position that satisfies you, then don't listen to them.

I really don't want this forum to have to have "for" and "against" threads for every topic. That's childish. It suggest that people here aren't mature enough to be able to handle seeing a differing opinion, and I think people here are bigger than than. I will be extremely disappointed if you all prove me wrong here.

Good point(s). I was simply stating my opinion , which happens to be that he is an idiot, hah.

[Matt]

Because this forum has gotten way out of hand. People are jumping down others' throats every opportunity they get, and it gets tiring to hear all the complaints.


"He called me a 'fill-in-the-blank'. That was totally uncalled for."

"There was no need for her insulting comments here. I just stated my opinion."

"This guy's just rude."

"This was totally uncalled for. Ban him."

The thing is, there's a certain amount of truth in what is being said, and it's not any one person, it's many... and it's people who are pleased with the direction of the film as much as those who aren't. Both groups antagonize each other, and it has to stop.

There's a bunch of people who go around looking for slights/insults/etc. They say "he said it like it was fact, when it's just his opinion." Well, DUH! People shouldn't have to say IMO every time. Unless someone is going around saying "this/that is a fact"... just assume it's their opinion/position.

Also, this isn't a formal debate. There's no arbiter, and NO ONE here has the authority to declare that someone else's opinion is "invalid". It might be supported by misinformation, and you can point that out, or it might not be supported by anything other than their "feeling", and you can point that out too. You can't, however, tell them that their 'wrong' for feeling that way, nor badger them to "back up their opinion" to your satisfaction. If they don't put forth an argument for their position that satisfies you, then don't listen to them.

I really don't want this forum to have to have "for" and "against" threads for every topic. That's childish. It suggest that people here aren't mature enough to be able to handle seeing a differing opinion, and I think people here are bigger than than. I will be extremely disappointed if you all prove me wrong here.

You think this is bad? You should go to the Superman forum, any time you say anything even slightly negative about the movie a million fanboys jump on your ass.

[Daisy]

You think this is bad? You should go to the Superman forum, any time you say anything even slightly negative about the movie a million fanboys jump on your ass.

I know... they also had to have separate like/dislike threads for the suit.

What I was trying to say here, without actually saying it, is that I think we're better than them. :o :D

[ProjectPat2280]

You think this is bad? You should go to the Superman forum, any time you say anything even slightly negative about the movie a million fanboys jump on your ass.

HAHA, damn Superman fans, haha.

[Matt]

I know... they also had to have separate like/dislike threads for the suit.

What I was trying to say here, without actually saying it, is that I think we're better than them. :o :D

Heh :up:

Just turn this into a Marvel/DC war and watch how quickly all the suit bickering stops to unite against DC ;)

[Daisy]

Heh :up:

Just turn this into a Marvel/DC war and watch how quickly all the suit bickering stops to unite against DC ;)

Shhh... don't say that.

You know those DCers, especially Superman fans, are like Beetleguise... just say the name and they'll show up... like cockroaches when the lights go out. ;)

[THWIP*]

Shhh... don't say that.

You know those DCers, especially Superman fans, are like Beetleguise... just say the name and they'll show up... like cockroaches when the lights go out. ;)


DC SUCKS!

*WAITS* :)

[ProjectPat2280]

Shhh... don't say that.

You know those DCers, especially Superman fans, are like Beetleguise... just say the name and they'll show up... like cockroaches when the lights go out. ;)

HAHA, ok that was one of the funniest thing iv read in ahwile, hahahaha. Great.

[Daisy]

:mad:

You trouble-makers!

[Sean Adisano]

DC SUCKS!

*WAITS* :)

i second this comment :up:

[Mr Sensitive]

Generalising is a risk of, at least, inaccuracy.

They have Batman, WW, etc, better animation, and many great graphic novels.

[Sean Adisano]

The mystery of what kind of responses my post got was too much and I had to check back. Thanks Daisy, right on with the wrist slap. You see it's not their fault they get so upset about something said over a costume. Most of them, they have no lives, no chance of getting laid so comics is really all they have. You see the difference is, I stopped reading comics 15 years ago, where as I'll bet most of these guys are like the 40 year old virgin, with toys still in the living rooms, ahem, I mean parents' basement. So this being all they have, they get very upset when purist like myself insists that the new costume sucks, but don't be mad at them, they know not what they do. Bye kids, I'm going to go get some ass now, enjoy whackin your puds.:up:

R.I.G.H.T...:rolleyes:

[BrokenEchoes]

i second this comment :up:

Agreed. DC sucks more ass than Robin does to Batman.

[BrokenEchoes]

The mystery of what kind of responses my post got was too much and I had to check back. Thanks Daisy, right on with the wrist slap. You see it's not their fault they get so upset about something said over a costume. Most of them, they have no lives, no chance of getting laid so comics is really all they have. You see the difference is, I stopped reading comics 15 years ago, where as I'll bet most of these guys are like the 40 year old virgin, with toys still in the living rooms, ahem, I mean parents' basement. So this being all they have, they get very upset when purist like myself insists that the new costume sucks, but don't be mad at them, they know not what they do. Bye kids, I'm going to go get some ass now, enjoy whackin your puds.:up:

Oh yeah this guy really showed us.

[Sean Adisano]

Oh yeah this guy really showed us.

lol, now that was funny :up:

[wolfgang]

The mystery of what kind of responses my post got was too much and I had to check back. Thanks Daisy, right on with the wrist slap. You see it's not their fault they get so upset about something said over a costume. Most of them, they have no lives, no chance of getting laid so comics is really all they have. You see the difference is, I stopped reading comics 15 years ago, where as I'll bet most of these guys are like the 40 year old virgin, with toys still in the living rooms, ahem, I mean parents' basement. So this being all they have, they get very upset when purist like myself insists that the new costume sucks, but don't be mad at them, they know not what they do. Bye kids, I'm going to go get some ass now, enjoy whackin your puds.:up:How old are you? Seriously.

Anyone else smell poser in here?

[THWIP*]

The mystery of what kind of responses my post got was too much and I had to check back. Thanks Daisy, right on with the wrist slap. You see it's not their fault they get so upset about something said over a costume. Most of them, they have no lives, no chance of getting laid so comics is really all they have. You see the difference is, I stopped reading comics 15 years ago, where as I'll bet most of these guys are like the 40 year old virgin, with toys still in the living rooms, ahem, I mean parents' basement. So this being all they have, they get very upset when purist like myself insists that the new costume sucks, but don't be mad at them, they know not what they do. Bye kids, I'm going to go get some ass now, enjoy whackin your puds.:up:


I'D MUCH RATHER "WHACK MY PUD", THAN "GET SOME ASS"; THAT SOUNDS COMPLETELY GAY. :down:o

[THWIP*]

Ok you nerds keep amusing yourselves. I really have to get back to my life now. I know this is your life so you'll be here in two years if I ever decide to come back. And don't kid yourselfs or stroke eachothers co cks, you all know you're celebate, and not by choice...


*SNIFF SNIFF* I SMELL A BANNING COMING. :o

[BrokenEchoes]

Ok you nerds keep amusing yourselves. I really have to get back to my life now. I know this is your life so you'll be here in two years if I ever decide to come back. And don't kid yourselfs or stroke eachothers co cks, you all know you're celebate, and not by choice...

You assume we participate in gay activitys. Do you have proof or have you experianced this first hand?

[Infinity9999x]

whoa, miss a few days of visiting this forum and everything goes to heck. Last time I didn't post here for a while, I come back and everyone's raving about the other, now this. WTF is going on? This is seriously the black suit? In this day and age, with all the technology we have....that's the best they could do? At frist I thought it was a joke, because i swear it looks just like someone photoshopped the pick.

[BrokenEchoes]

How old are you? Seriously.

Anyone else smell poser in here?

:up:

[THWIP*]

How old are you? Seriously.

Anyone else smell poser in here?


I DEFINITELY SMELL SOMETHING.......BUT IT'S MUCH WORSE THAN A POSER. :o

[BrokenEchoes]

The mystery of what kind of responses my post got was too much and I had to check back. Thanks Daisy, right on with the wrist slap. You see it's not their fault they get so upset about something said over a costume. Most of them, they have no lives, no chance of getting laid so comics is really all they have. You see the difference is, I stopped reading comics 15 years ago, where as I'll bet most of these guys are like the 40 year old virgin, with toys still in the living rooms, ahem, I mean parents' basement. So this being all they have, they get very upset when purist like myself insists that the new costume sucks, but don't be mad at them, they know not what they do. Bye kids, I'm going to go get some ass now, enjoy whackin your puds.:up:

Dude you really cant be that great with women, youre bragging on a superhero forum. Dumbass.

[wolfgang]

Ok you nerds keep amusing yourselves. I really have to get back to my life now. I know this is your life so you'll be here in two years if I ever decide to come back. And don't kid yourselfs or stroke eachothers co cks, you all know you're celebate, and not by choice...Dude, you came here, you registered, you posted. What's with the whole tough guy attitude? (which I'm sure is total BS.)

Look here son, I stopped chasing "ass" a long time ago. I'm willing to bet that I've turned down more girls than you've actually slept with. Grow up man. Is You're so obsessed with sex, it just smacks of a guy who's never touched a woman.

Big ol' bad ass Johnny who wouldn't have the grapes to say any of this to a persons face but can shoot all he wants safely behind his keyboard. Feel free to PM me if you're more comfortable that way.

Nobody's buying the act bro. Nobody's looking for an apology, just admit you're a phoney...c'mon.

I'll take your silence as a sign that I'm right.

Now back to topic...

[THWIP*]

Dude you really cant be that great with women, youre bragging on a superhero forum. Dumbass.


HE NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT "WOMEN"........JUST THAT HE'S GETTING "SOME ASS". :O

[BrokenEchoes]

HE NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT "WOMEN"........JUST THAT HE'S GETTING "SOME ASS". :O

Lmao sorry i am corrected.

[rscal]

boring

[Daisy]

The mystery of what kind of responses my post got was too much and I had to check back. Thanks Daisy, right on with the wrist slap. You see it's not their fault they get so upset about something said over a costume. Most of them, they have no lives, no chance of getting laid so comics is really all they have. You see the difference is, I stopped reading comics 15 years ago, where as I'll bet most of these guys are like the 40 year old virgin, with toys still in the living rooms, ahem, I mean parents' basement. So this being all they have, they get very upset when purist like myself insists that the new costume sucks, but don't be mad at them, they know not what they do. Bye kids, I'm going to go get some ass now, enjoy whackin your puds.:up:

So your solution, after I just warned people about baiting others... is to put out a bunch of chum?

You're not very bright.


----

And I suggest the rest of you drop it... now.

[THWIP*]

So your solution, after I just warned people about baiting others... is to put out a bunch of chum?

You're not very bright.


----

And I suggest the rest of you drop it... now.


I WAS JUST HAVING FUN WITH HIM, UNTIL YOU CAME BACK. HE REALLY DOES SET HIMSELF UP NICELY FOR INSULTS. :D

[Daisy]

I WAS JUST HAVING FUN WITH HIM, UNTIL YOU CAME BACK. HE REALLY DOES SET HIMSELF UP NICELY FOR INSULTS. :D

I know... it is kind of like shooting fish in a barrel, but, you know, even in fishing there's a limit.

[TheFuture]

This is BS. Theatres don't even ask teenagers for an ID for R rated movies anyways. The 5 year olds sony would lose from doing Venom justice would totally be made up for. If Venom was done justice special effects wise, every single male between the age of 12 and 60 would be in that theatre. It would be irresistable. Not to mention the merchandising it would bring, with T-shirts, posters, toys, sculptures, video games, A venom spin off movie?, and not to mention that 10 years later people would still be buying these movies, and renting them. If Spider-Man is done right for the next 4 movies, then Spider-Man could surely be the next Star Wars!

Look at Batman Begins. I don't think the dark overtone hurt sales at all.

Batman Begins was not as focused on the kids as the Spider-man franchise. You never heard Batman saying "stay out of trouble kid" or even being approachable for kids while Spider-man is a portrayed as a role model for everyone. Batman is seen as a freak by many.

You misunderstood what I said. You see it's all about bad publicity and never underestimate the power of the dreaded "Parents groups". Sony was butchered for making S-M1 PG but having a very violent ending between GG and Spidey. Now imagine the reaction of Parents when the 5 year olds are watching TV and then a S-M3 Trailer comes on. They see Venom and they go and cry to mommy and daddy. Before you know it the Parent Groups will come flying at Sony and they will be forced to edit some very important scenes.

[Smegger56]

Batman Begins was not as focused on the kids as the Spider-man franchise. You never heard Batman saying "stay out of trouble kid" or even being approachable for kids while Spider-man is a portrayed as a role model for everyone. Batman is seen as a freak by many.

You misunderstood what I said. You see it's all about bad publicity and never underestimate the power of the dreaded "Parents groups". Sony was butchered for making S-M1 PG but having a very violent ending between GG and Spidey. Now imagine the reaction of Parents when the 5 year olds are watching TV and then a S-M3 Trailer comes on. They see Venom and they go and cry to mommy and daddy. Before you know it the Parent Groups will come flying at Sony and they will be forced to edit some very important scenes.

Then 5 year olds shouldn't be watching. The 'parents group' can blame films all they want. In the end, it's the PARENTS respnosibility what there children can see.

[Symbiotica]

Also, this isn't a formal debate. There's no arbiter, and NO ONE here has the authority to declare that someone else's opinion is "invalid". It might be supported by misinformation, and you can point that out, or it might not be supported by anything other than their "feeling", and you can point that out too. You can't, however, tell them that their 'wrong' for feeling that way, nor badger them to "back up their opinion" to your satisfaction. If they don't put forth an argument for their position that satisfies you, then don't listen to them.

You’ve just invalidated the entire forum; not that there’s much left to invalidate, since the one thread everything is channeled into is in essence a big chat-thread which is 98% spam, but still.

People do indeed have the “authority” to decide someone’s reasoning is faulty [or often, completely nonexistent]. What gives people that right? Is it something bestowed upon them by some outside entity? Do they have to get permission from some authority here to have that ability? Nope.

I have that authority vested in me by my own intelligence-level and by dint of my native common-sense. Everyone who possesses these things is vested with the power to decide FOR THEMSELVES what is “valid” and what is not.

Now can people like me be told: “Shut up, your opinion is troubling the forum, I personally dislike you and I don’t want you posting here, I am THE LAW and etc etc etc,” sure…. but as far as telling me I don’t have the intellect to be able to decide what is a valid argument and what isn’t, no. Only conversation can be stifled with threats of banning.

“If they don't put forth an argument for their position that satisfies you, then don't listen to them.”

So no matter *what* gets posted, rebuttal is no longer allowed? Neato. This should make for an interesting forum. :)

The entire PURPOSE of these forums is the exchange of ideas. Should name-calling and people entering other people’s threads for the sole purpose of disruption be allowed? No; despite the fact that it often is. But… if discussion about ideas is now taboo, if anyone can post any crazy thing they want without fear of being told, “Let’s hear your rationale on that… and make it a good one,” that pretty much shoots the forum not in the foot, but directly between the eyes.

Like I say, it’ll be interesting to watch; I’m expecting some pretty amusing stuff – like the person who posted last night that “real” Venom fans would never be upset about what’s happening to him, they’d just shut up and excitedly wait for whatever Raimi decides to give them. LMAO! :up: Great stuff.

[TheFuture]

Then 5 year olds shouldn't be watching. The 'parents group' can blame films all they want. In the end, it's the PARENTS respnosibility what there children can see.

Parents are always self-righteous. It can never be their fault. Like it wasn't their fault that Eminem "forced" his way into their homes or when their demented kidds shoot up highschools. :rolleyes:

Parent Groups can kick up alot of ****. After S-M1, Sony can't afford another "Cert **** up". If they do, they're in trouble. After all, who is most of the merchandising aimed at? Kids. When I say Kids, I mean as far as up to 15. And who pays for the merchandising? The Parents. The Parent Groups thus have a big say in Venom's character,

[adzmullz1]

I have'nt read anything else on this or any other opinions, but heres my bit :
Its NOT a black suit, its just a regular picture of spider-man that they've made black.
It is NOT Venom.
.....and im done.

[War Lord]

Well I know for a fact that it is a manipulated fan-flic. Why you ask? The answer is simplicity itself.

Venom's hand and legs landing on something and a few moments later Venom in what appears to be a roar or scenes from one of my favourite films, the brilliant Underlworld.

The jump is where the Lycans are about to attack the train with one of the Vampire elders inside

The roar is one of the self same Lycans in the middle of their transformation

Seeing as I have seen Underworld well over one hundred times (probably nearing the two hundred mark) those are two scenes/images I just instantly recognise no matter how well manipulated they are

Well, it was done very well from my viewpoint.

[Daisy]

You’ve just invalidated the entire forum; not that there’s much left to invalidate, since the one thread everything is channeled into is in essence a big chat-thread which is 98% spam, but still.

Nice hyperbole.

People do indeed have the “authority” to decide someone’s reasoning is faulty [or often, completely nonexistent]. What gives people that right? Is it something bestowed upon them by some outside entity? Do they have to get permission from some authority here to have that ability? Nope.

I have that authority vested in me by my own intelligence-level and by dint of my native common-sense. Everyone who possesses these things is vested with the power to decide FOR THEMSELVES what is “valid” and what is not.

Way to over-analyze, be excessively literal and take things out of context, Sym. I said this wan't a formal debate. There's no arbiter, and as such, there is no one with "authority"... i.e. governing authority.

I didn't say you couldn't ask someone why they held an opinion, or to back it up... I said badgering someone to back up their opinion to YOUR satisfaction is not acceptible... and it happens here ALL the time. I also told you what to do if someone was incapable of doing such - to your satisfaction. Ignore them.

I said basically the same thing you did, only without the hyperbole, haughtiness and wordiness.

Now can people like me be told: “Shut up, your opinion is troubling the forum, I personally dislike you and I don’t want you posting here, I am THE LAW and etc etc etc,” sure…. but as far as telling me I don’t have the intellect to be able to decide what is a valid argument and what isn’t, no. Only conversation can be stifled with threats of banning.

And no, those are exactly the kind of things posters can't go around saying.

“If they don't put forth an argument for their position that satisfies you, then don't listen to them.”

So no matter *what* gets posted, rebuttal is no longer allowed? Neato. This should make for an interesting forum. :)

Again, way to draw things out to extremes. I prefaced that remark with:

"It might be supported by misinformation, and you can point that out, or it might not be supported by anything other than their "feeling", and you can point that out too."

Followed by: You can't, however, tell them that their 'wrong' for feeling that way, nor badger them to "back up their opinion" to your satisfaction.

The entire PURPOSE of these forums is the exchange of ideas. Should name-calling and people entering other people’s threads for the sole purpose of disruption be allowed? No; despite the fact that it often is. But… if discussion about ideas is now taboo, if anyone can post any crazy thing they want without fear of being told, “Let’s hear your rationale on that… and make it a good one,” that pretty much shoots the forum not in the foot, but directly between the eyes.

How about making a thread that insinuates that anyone that likes a particular aspect of the films in the making is an idiot?

And one more time, no where did I say you couldn't debate. I expressly stated the contrary, that you could point out where people had their facts wrong or when they're comments were based solely on "feeling" and not any real facts. What I said what that you couldn't carry it to the point of badgering.

What you, and several others here, dont seem to realize is that most of the debate in here is highly subjective. It boils down not to facts themselves, but rather to whether you think the facts are good or bad.

For example:

It's a fact that there are three, if not villains, then "bad guys" in this film. Whether that is good or bad is opinion. Yes, you can back up the assertion that it's bad by saying that it didn't work in other films and give examples. Countering that with the fact that this is not that franchise and that its success so far moves it to a differnt class so as to make those examples invalid comparissions is perfectly reasonable. Just because it may not be reasonable "to you" doesn't mean it's not.

You (and a few others) seem to have deemed yourselves arbiters of what is and is not acceptible, and then when it isn't in your mind, you tend to deride and ridicule others. That tone of "superiority" has to go.

Like I say, it’ll be interesting to watch; I’m expecting some pretty amusing stuff – like the person who posted last night that “real” Venom fans would never be upset about what’s happening to him, they’d just shut up and excitedly wait for whatever Raimi decides to give them. LMAO! :up: Great stuff.

I think you should consider taking a break from here for a while. You seem to taking things far too personally.

[Daisy]

yea, i wrote first then read yours...

sorry about that :up:

You wanna edit out a few responses up there?

[KALEL114]

Nice hyperbole.



Way to over-analyze, be excessively literal and take things out of context, Sym. I said this wan't a formal debate. There's no arbiter, and as such, there is no one with "authority"... i.e. governing authority.

I didn't say you couldn't ask someone why they held an opinion, or to back it up... I said badgering someone to back up their opinion to YOUR satisfaction is not acceptible... and it happens here ALL the time. I also told you what to do if someone was incapable of doing such - to your satisfaction. Ignore them.

I said basically the same thing you did, only without the hyperbole, haughtiness and wordiness.



And no, those are exactly the kind of things posters can't go around saying.



Again, way to draw things out to extremes. I prefaced that remark with:

"It might be supported by misinformation, and you can point that out, or it might not be supported by anything other than their "feeling", and you can point that out too."

Followed by: You can't, however, tell them that their 'wrong' for feeling that way, nor badger them to "back up their opinion" to your satisfaction.



How about making a thread that insinuates that anyone that likes a particular aspect of the films in the making is an idiot?

And one more time, no where did I say you couldn't debate. I expressly stated the contrary, that you could point out where people had their facts wrong or when they're comments were based solely on "feeling" and not any real facts. What I said what that you couldn't carry it to the point of badgering.

What you, and several others here, dont seem to realize is that most of the debate in here is highly subjective. It boils down not to facts themselves, but rather to whether you think the facts are good or bad.

For example:

It's a fact that there are three, if not villains, then "bad guys" in this film. Whether that is good or bad is opinion. Yes, you can back up the assertion that it's bad by saying that it didn't work in other films and give examples. Countering that with the fact that this is not that franchise and that its success so far moves it to a differnt class so as to make those examples invalid comparissions is perfectly reasonable. Just because it may not be reasonable "to you" doesn't mean it's not.

You (and a few others) seem to have deemed yourselves arbiters of what is and is not acceptible, and then when it isn't in your mind, you tend to deride and ridicule others. That tone of "superiority" has to go.



I think you should consider taking a break from here for a while. You seem to taking things far too personally.
Bravo!:up: :up:

[That70'sVillain]

Welcome, ladies and gentle "spider"-men, to yet another long debate to rival web-shooters vs. organics. According to the poll statistics, there aren't too many of us that hate it. Give it a chance to "grow" on you(pun intended). Just for the record, I'm 40, have collectible figures in my living room, and have the love of a beautiful witch(Wiccan). We may all be fanboys, but we're not all geeks.

"Honey. I'm home." - Venom :venom:

[KALEL114]

^Welcome to the boards Sir!^ And great post.

[Daisy]

Welcome, ladies and gentle "spider"-men, to yet another long debate to rival web-shooters vs. organics. According to the poll statistics, there aren't too many of us that hate it. Give it a chance to "grow" on you(pun intended). Just for the record, I'm 40, have collectible figures in my living room, and have the love of a beautiful witch(Wiccan). We may all be fanboys, but we're not all geeks.

"Honey. I'm home." - Venom :venom:

You're not a geek? :eek:

[Old El Paso commercial]Git a rope, boys.[/Old El Paso commerical] ;)


Welcome. :)

It's always nice to have someone around older than me. :D

[wolfsfang]

Well, it was done very well from my viewpoint.

Yes it was !!!

[Sean Adisano]

You wanna edit out a few responses up there?

nah, too lazy :)

[Sean Adisano]

Welcome, ladies and gentle "spider"-men, to yet another long debate to rival web-shooters vs. organics. According to the poll statistics, there aren't too many of us that hate it. Give it a chance to "grow" on you(pun intended). Just for the record, I'm 40, have collectible figures in my living room, and have the love of a beautiful witch(Wiccan). We may all be fanboys, but we're not all geeks.

"Honey. I'm home." - Venom :venom:

your an inspiration to us all :up:

[Doomed_hero]

I think its Cyclops in the eye, thats where he is and why he is not in X3 that much.

[The Kid]

I can't get girls and I've lost hope. Maybe gay is the way to be.

[Daisy]

nah, too lazy :)

It really wasn't really an 'option'.

I took care of it for you.

Remember this for the future.

[Chris Wallace]

Can we get back on topic, please?
I think I'll have to see another pic or two before I can really make up my mind about the suit. Right now it's just a new Spidey image, & it looks cool.

[CouchQuarterbck]

Can we get back on topic, please?
I think I'll have to see another pic or two before I can really make up my mind about the suit. Right now it's just a new Spidey image, & it looks cool.

Agreed. I think once we see a trailer, or some other official picture of him in action, in daylight so we can actually see it, then we can decide if we like it or not. Right now, I'll go with yes, since I don't know what it really represents...

[Daisy]

It's strange... it seems like a night-time suit. I have a hard time picturing it in the day. It seems incongrous to me.

:confused:

[CouchQuarterbck]

It's strange... it seems like a night-time suit. I have a hard time picturing it in the day. It seems incongrous to me.

:confused:

Incongruous, for sure. It is definitley seems designed for a more nightime action than broad daylight, but they can't have it only show up at night, can they? I don't think they would make it completely black, just for that reason. There will probably be a blue-ish, or even a dark purple, tint to it. Otherwise it would just look weird....

[Daisy]

Incongruous, for sure. It is definitley seems designed for a more nightime action than broad daylight, but they can't have it only show up at night, can they? I don't think they would make it completely black, just for that reason. There will probably be a blue-ish, or even a dark purple, tint to it. Otherwise it would just look weird....

I don't know. They could have it be only in the night. That's when Pete goes out to 'patrol' afterall.

Or maybe the point someone brought up about the 'stormy' headline from the Bugle with the pic is spot-on. We'll only see it at night, or in the day when it's rainy/cloudy. We won't see it in broad daylight.

:confused:

[dark_b]

the question is how would it look at the daytime. fact is that it is not black colour.
how will it look?

i posted a manip in the manip thread with tobey and kirsten. maybe it will look like this.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1886/ewapr3020040035se.jpg

[CouchQuarterbck]

I don't know. They could have it be only in the night. That's when Pete goes out to 'patrol' afterall.

Yes...for the most part. In SM2, all but one of Spidey's fights with Doc Ock are in broad daylight, as is his first encounter with Green Goblin. And, judging from the bank photos I've seen, it looks like Sandman may pull a heist, and that would be during the day...unless Spidey doesn't have the symbiote at that point, but it's all speculation....

It could also be "rainy/stormy" for a majority of it, too, but that certainly limits Sandman's appearances....

[Logan Howlett]

I realy like that one. I wouldnt mind seeing HIS symiot like that, but Venoms should definately be different.

[CouchQuarterbck]

Yeah, that definitely looks awesome...

[David33]

DC SUCKS!

*WAITS* :)

I agree :up: :D .

[Frenzy]

The suit does have quite an organic look to it when it's all black. The webbing looks more a part of it but i'd prefer the spider to show up better OR the webbing not be so shiny in the first place, but that's how Sony have shown it.

Nice work dark b:)

[The_Dark_Knight]

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1886/ewapr3020040035se.jpg


Now That is VARY badass. That made me feel a heck of alot better! Can any make a minup of him with the mask on like that?

[Alcatraz]

I think that the reason the Symbiot just looks like a normal Spider-Man costume in the poster is due to the fact that it takes the form that the person wearing it sees himself. In Spider-Mans case it becomes the spidersuit, Eddie Brocks case it becomes a huge monster with a mean grill because of his dark hatred. I just hope that we see a white spider on the black spidey suit and a nice CG black venom with a nice voice effect where its two voices overlapping, one a dark monsterous symbiot voice the second being tophers voice. man thats hard to explain. o well.

PEACE

[Sean Adisano]

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1886/ewapr3020040035se.jpg

this is just SPECTACULAR :up:

hope thats what the webbings look like as far as shine is concerned, looks awesome. i wish dunst hair was that color for this movie...

[Cmill216]

^ Dunst actually looks decent in that pic. Oh, and the Black manip is cool! :up:

[Sean Adisano]

It really wasn't really an 'option'.

I took care of it for you.

Remember this for the future.

hey that wasn't very nice :(
i was only joking :( you big meanine :mad:

oh, i will remember, you can count on it...;)

seriously though, sorry if i offended you, i was only joking, no hard feelings :)

[Unleashed]

She's a mod

[Sean Adisano]

^ Dunst actually looks decent in that pic. Oh, and the Black manip is cool! :up:

oh how i wish she looked like that for spidey 2 and upcoming spidey3.

[Sean Adisano]

She's a mod

hmmm, didn't know that...thanks :up:

[TheCardPlayer]

Dunst is smoking in that picture.

[Symbiotica]

Way to over-analyze, be excessively literal and take things out of context, Sym. I said this wan't a formal debate. There's no arbiter, and as such, there is no one with "authority"... i.e. governing authority.

But see, when you say:

...and NO ONE here has the authority to declare that someone else's opinion is "invalid". It might be supported by misinformation, and you can point that out, or it might not be supported by anything other than their "feeling", and you can point that out too. You can't, however, tell them that their 'wrong' for feeling that way, nor badger them to "back up their opinion" to your satisfaction. If they don't put forth an argument for their position that satisfies you, then don't listen to them.

To me, that looks an awful lot like "Dissention is no longer allowed in this forum." All I can go by is what people post; I usually take what I see at pretty much face-value.

And no, [veiled threats to have dissenting people banned] are exactly the kind of things posters can't go around saying.

My original, admittedly sarcastic remark was in reference to my dissenting post of Monday [found on page 185 of this thread, if memory serves]; as I recall you rebuffed my opinion, and then here came C. Lee offering to ban anyone you didn't feel like banning yourself. What am I supposed to think, that that was just coincidence? Maybe it was - it sure didn't feel like it. This does not create feelings of co-operation within the hearts of the threatened; what it does accomplish are feelings of resentment and ill-will.

How about making a thread that insinuates that anyone that likes a particular aspect of the films in the making is an idiot?

If you look over my posts, it is very, very rare that I actually come out and actually call anyone an idiot. If I do, it is after extreme provocation. What I may do is call someone's opinion idiotic - and that is an entirely different thing. I am very careful to designate my opinions as opinions, and not fact. I rarely get such courtesy in return.

And one more time, no where did I say you couldn't debate. I expressly stated the contrary, that you could point out where people had their facts wrong or when they're comments were based solely on "feeling" and not any real facts. What I said what that you couldn't carry it to the point of badgering.

That is an extremely subjective criterion! What exactly constitutes badgering? Hypothetical question only.

You (and a few others) seem to have deemed yourselves arbiters of what is and is not acceptible, and then when it isn't in your mind, you tend to deride and ridicule others. That tone of "superiority" has to go.

I find myself to be greatly amused by incredible statements, which admit it - are more often seen here than not. What would truly disturb me is if I suddenly found myself browsing the forum and thinking: "Hey... it's absolutely okay to post 'Michael Keaton would make the greatest MJ ever!' - and in my turn thinking: 'this insightful individual has the right to his own opinion: yea verily, I will Give Peace A Chance. What a great idea."

And much of this stuff is equally incredible.

I think you should consider taking a break from here for a while. You seem to taking things far too personally.

You will probably see me much less in Spoilers, true enough: there is little here these days that either delights or interests me, except on the basest level. Bah, this place is like the Roman Circus Maximus - WITHOUT the lions, now.

[polm]

i have make this :spidey:
http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/3901/image6c2av.th.jpg (http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image6c2av.jpg)

[Frenzy]

Can't see anything but a red X dude. Try again:)

[Frenzy]

Now why is it there now and it wasn't before for me?

Art is the Universal language of creativity - everyone can create therefore we all understand each other. Right?

[CouchQuarterbck]

No red x for me, I can see it.....

It's a good start, maybe just a little more work on it and it could look really good!

[Sean Adisano]

Dunst is smoking in that picture.

yes indeed :up:

[Sean Adisano]

No red x for me, I can see it.....

It's a good start, maybe just a little more work on it and it could look really good!

i think just making venom more blacker with his costume and it should be perfect. i love the whole snow fall scene going on :up:

[Rex Calibur]

I'm still thinking Raimi is basing all thse movies on vague recollections of comics he read as a child, ad quick glances at modern comics. I suppose when he heard the fan's demand for the black costume, he actually thought we meant a black Spider-Man costume.

This also strengthens my Superman movie theory. Spider-Man 3 will mimic Superman III, as now both heroes wear a darker version of their original costume.

[The Kid]

Long time no see, Rex. And lol it's a bit of an omen isn't it...

[Mister Gone]

Wow, and they say video games make people violent! I say it's comic book movies that don't drop enough details, lol I keed I keed. I say that we all post our opinion of the meaning of the black suit, just the opinions, no name calling, no 3 page quote laden rebuttals (you know who you are), and take this for what it is; A movie based on a comic book. It's the creative vision BASED on what the director/writers think will work on the screen, if you disagree with the direction they take it in, don't go (I still haven't seen the last two Star Wars movies). As far as speculation goes, we should go nuts, within reason, just remember who's in charge of this thing and his ability to make the fantastic palatable to the masses, have a little faith. Sides, this is just to tide me over till the Transformers movie in 2007 ;D

[Game Player]

I love the black Spidey suit, but I think it'd be much metter if it had the other Spider logo, and no webbing all over it.

[The Kid]

Mister Gone, your words are true.

[Mister Gone]

See, perfect :D

[The_Dark_Knight]

Spider-Man 3 will mimic Superman III


I hope not...I didnt really care much for Superman III...

[Mister Gone]

Spiderman's black costume could be a metaphor, it could be for mourning, it could be for stealth, or it could be for fan service. Until I know the purpose, I can't really formulate an opinion. Like my mechanic always says "Racing stripes do not make a car go faster."

[The Kid]

The obvious reason is he doesn't wash, like me. But it's probably just our friend, the symbiot.

[CouchQuarterbck]

"Racing stripes do not make a car go faster."

:up: :up: :up: :)

But they sure do look good....

But anyways, nice way to put it....

[Jugger-hulk]

wow... just awesome..... but is it from space?!?!?!?

[The_Dark_Knight]

wow... just awesome..... but is it from space?!?!?!?


We hope! :up:

[The Kid]

If it's not we'll keep an open mind.

[Mister Gone]

If it is the living costume, they could merge it with the Ultimate Venom origin and make it a little more beleivable and stay within canon. I say man-made suit with the Classic Venom look (and by classing I mean normal tongue and no green slobber) just lot's of teeth :D

[Tangled Web]

NOT THE SYMBIOTE SUIT.

[The Kid]

Oh god, I just had a brain explosion. What if the venom suit has nipples!!!

http://www.soneraplaza.fi/GetImages/GetImages_GetImage_jpg/0,2600,59069,00.jpg Grrr. I'll get you spiderman!

[Mister Gone]

I was unaware that Tangled Web worked for Sony and is actually employed in the design team for the upcoming Spider-Man 3 movie! You heard it here first, why isn't this on the front page? The black costume is NOT THE SYMBIOTE SUIT! That's right! I could have sworn the thread was called OPINIONS on the Black Suit.

So much for valid open forum for opinions and speculation.

[Daisy]

To me, that looks an awful lot like "Dissention is no longer allowed in this forum." All I can go by is what people post; I usually take what I see at pretty much face-value.

To me, it looks like you stopped after reading the first sentence, which I quickly followed up by explaining that you could let people know their opinions were based misinformation or not backed up by anything but 'feeling', but not run around insisting that they 'prove' things to your satisfaction.

My original, admittedly sarcastic remark was in reference to my dissenting post of Monday [found on page 185 of this thread, if memory serves]; as I recall you rebuffed my opinion, and then here came C. Lee offering to ban anyone you didn't feel like banning yourself. What am I supposed to think, that that was just coincidence? Maybe it was - it sure didn't feel like it. This does not create feelings of co-operation within the hearts of the threatened; what it does accomplish are feelings of resentment and ill-will.

C. Lee doesn't speak for me.

I didn't say anything about banning you or anyone else in my response to you. I talked about people - and that would mean newbies and oldbies, pro-Raimi and anti-Raimi, etc. - backing off all the bickering. If you recall my reply to C. Lee was that people needed an opportunity to shape up before any bannings/probation took place, and that when that time came, I wanted to be the one to make that decision.

If you look over my posts, it is very, very rare that I actually come out and actually call anyone an idiot. If I do, it is after extreme provocation. What I may do is call someone's opinion idiotic - and that is an entirely different thing. I am very careful to designate my opinions as opinions, and not fact. I rarely get such courtesy in return.

No you don't actually come out and say 'you're an idiot', but you frequently make highly pointed, snide remarks suggesting such of others... usually you refer to whatever poster you're remarking upon in third person as well, which is also derisive.

That is an extremely subjective criterion! What exactly constitutes badgering? Hypothetical question only.

It may be hypothetical, but I will take it on anyway. First of all, it is subjective, and it is my job to make the determination at what point something becomes badgering. Second, I realize that you personally don't commonly do this, Sym... but others do (I don't think it's appropriate to name names here) and as we're having this discussion in public rather than via PM, I am writing so that others who read it may gain some understanding of what is and is not acceptable as well, not simply referring to your behavior alone (were I to do that I would PM you).

I find myself to be greatly amused by incredible statements, which admit it - are more often seen here than not. What would truly disturb me is if I suddenly found myself browsing the forum and thinking: "Hey... it's absolutely okay to post 'Michael Keaton would make the greatest MJ ever!' - and in my turn thinking: 'this insightful individual has the right to his own opinion: yea verily, I will Give Peace A Chance. What a great idea."


And much of this stuff is equally incredible.

It's perfectly okay to post such a thread, and you (plural) are well within your rights to respond "you've GOT to be kidding me" or some such. If they say they're serious, that's the time to think whatever you might think and simply move on. Chalk that person up - to yourself - as an idiot. What you are not within your rights to do is go off telling that person what a moron they are (even if you think it) or start spouting off 'ban/delete/close'. That tends to start arguments... because people take it as the rudeness it was intended to be. If it's a joke, they'll drop it when they're ignored. If they're serious and continue to persist even though others are not responding (like continually bumping their thread or creating more of the same one) moderators will get involved.

You also have the option to PM me and let me know that something seems ridiculous and I can take care of it.

You will probably see me much less in Spoilers, true enough: there is little here these days that either delights or interests me, except on the basest level. Bah, this place is like the Roman Circus Maximus - WITHOUT the lions, now.

Do you think I don't see how out-of-hand this forum is? I've been running around the last couple of days admonishing people left and right... both the 'syncophants' and the 'hardcore purist fanboys'. It's not going to change overnight, but if people aren't told what is and is not acceptable it won't change at all. I'm not about to just go banning/probating people without giving them warning of what's to come, since things have been allowed to slide here for a bit. I know it will take an adjustment period, but if things don't start to turn around, it will go beyond warnings and admonishment, and no one will be exempt.

I've also been trying to manage the threads so that every topic of conversation about the Black Suit/Venom isn't lumped into this one. I don't think that's the right way to do things. I even opened and pulled out (where I could) some that I thought were valid.

You've been complaining about the condition of the forum, yet when I step in and start trying to clean it up, you take exception.

I realize that I perhaps did not make it clear that my responses were by-and-large addressing the general and broader issues you raised, and regret any misunderstanding that may have caused.

[Daisy]

And people... it's SYMBIOTE, not symbiot!

Got it? Good. :D

[Mister Gone]

I think we need to start a new thread. Opinions on arguments that have little to no bearing on the new costume debuted on Super Hero Hype (Post here ONLY)

[The Kid]

Gosh, take it pm you two.

[Daisy]

I think we need to start a new thread. Opinions on arguments that have little to no bearing on the new costume debuted on Super Hero Hype (Post here ONLY)

No, we don't. Just carry on with your discussion.

Gosh, take it pm you two.

If you had read it, you'd see why it's not being done via PM.

Again, carry on with your discussion.

[Mister Gone]

Kay, my center scroll is wearing out though.

lol Nothing to see here, move along, move along :D

[LarryLegend]

To return to the topic at hand, I wish they would have used the black suit from the comics as opposed to just darkening the movie suit.

[Mister Gone]

They'll fix it in post

[Daisy]

I was unaware that Tangled Web worked for Sony and is actually employed in the design team for the upcoming Spider-Man 3 movie! You heard it here first, why isn't this on the front page? The black costume is NOT THE SYMBIOTE SUIT! That's right! I could have sworn the thread was called OPINIONS on the Black Suit.

So much for valid open forum for opinions and speculation.

His speculation is that it's not the symbiote suit. How hard is that to grasp? Granted, his speculation seems to be flat-out wrong as it pretty much flies in the face of what we've seen, but hey, he's allowed to bathe in d'Nile (although I understand that it can make you very ill if you do... not to mention the crocodiles and hippos! :eek: ). ;)

[Daisy]

To return to the topic at hand, I wish they would have used the black suit from the comics as opposed to just darkening the movie suit.

I'm gradually warming to the idea that this is the suit on Peter and that it will morph into something slightly different when it moves on to Eddie.

[The Kid]

No, we don't. Just carry on with your discussion.



If you had read it, you'd see why it's not being done via PM.

Again, carry on with your discussion.

Hey, how'd you know I didn't read it. Can you see me?

[LarryLegend]

I'm gradually warming to the idea that this is the suit on Peter and that it will morph into something slightly different when it moves on to Eddie.

Works for me. I like that idea.

[Daisy]

Hey, how'd you know I didn't read it. Can you see me?

If you'd read it, you should have been smart enough not to say take it to PMs. ;)

And didn't I tell you to carry on with your discussion? :mad: ;)

[LarryLegend]

Hey, how'd you know I didn't read it. Can you see me?

Mods see everything. They get that power in their special mod iniation ceremony. :)

[Daisy]

Mods see everything. They get that power in their special mod iniation ceremony. :)

Hey! I told you that in confidence! :mad: ;)

[CouchQuarterbck]

To return to the topic at hand, I wish they would have used the black suit from the comics as opposed to just darkening the movie suit.

After seeing some manips of Spidey in his black costume, I actually think I'd like it more...I don't think I'd like it if the symbiote looked practically identical on both Spidey and Brock...there might be too much confusion between the two, especially if they don't make Venom this humongous monster....This way, the symbiote has more character, adapting to whoever its host is, and becomes subject to change.

[C. Lee]

Mods see everything. They get that power in their special mod iniation ceremony. :)
That's why I really must ask that some of you put your clothes back on....:eek:

[Mister Gone]

His speculation is that it's not the symbiote suit. How hard is that to grasp? Granted, his speculation seems to be flat-out wrong as it pretty much flies in the face of what we've seen, but hey, he's allowed to bathe in d'Nile (although I understand that it can make you very ill if you do... not to mention the crocodiles and hippos! :eek: ). ;)

Allow me to reformat it for him


Ahem,
It is my opinion that the suit shown is not the symbiote suit. I recognize that this may differ from others opinions, but in the true spirit of this thread, I felt it appropriate to post what I feel in my heart to be true. I apologize humbly that I was unable to increase the font size of this statement or use an over abundance of cap lock characters with a bold font effect, as I understand that those enhancements validate and offer more credibility to statements typed with them. As always I leave my views open to criticism and look forward to many constructive statements from my fellow fans. Now if you will excuse me I am going to read the Post and finish my snifter of smooth brandy in front of my fireplace.


As Always, your friend,
Tangled Web, Esq.



Now would not the forums be a magical place if we could all post like that :D

[Mister Gone]

And that's all I'm gonna say about that :)

Keeping it on topic :D

[Daisy]

Allow me to reformat it for him


Ahem,
It is my opinion that the suit shown is not the symbiote suit. I recognize that this may differ from others opinions, but in the true spirit of this thread, I felt it appropriate to post what I feel in my heart to be true. I apologize humbly that I was unable to increase the font size of this statement or use an over abundance of cap lock characters with a bold font effect, as I understand that those enhancements validate and offer more credibility to statements type with them. As always I leave my views open to criticism and look forward to many constructive statements from my fellow fans. Now if you will excuse me I am going to read the Post and finish my snifter of smooth brandy in front of my fireplace.


As Always, your friend,
Tangled Web, Esq.



Now would not the forums be a magical place if we could all post like that :D


I'd start banning people for making me sick to my stomach. :D

[The Kid]

If you'd read it, you should have been smart enough not to say take it to PMs. ;)

And didn't I tell you to carry on with your discussion? :mad: ;)

hrrm... ok :) :up:

[Mister Gone]

Lol,okay, more *'s and misspelled swear words to get through the filter. Nothing says "My opinion is better than yours" like as good F-Bomb. lol.

In all honesty I figure this is a promotional piece. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the movie version of the black costume looks completely different. Call it a free focus group for Sony.