Firefly Thread (Brown Coats)

[LexCorp]

Hello Hype People
Any Brown Coats around here. I have not seen a thread for this series yet so I thought I would put one on here. This was a great show which became a good movie. Do you think it was canceled before it time? Any fav moments from the show?

[Red]

Their is a whendon thread somewhere, but not one for just for Firefly

[The Question]

I did like the show better than Buffy or Angel's first season, so in that regard I'd say it was the best. But yeah, there's already a Jossverse thread. Still, it's been a while since I've seen it, so it might not hurt to start a new one.

[Red]

I still think Buffy season 2 is the pinnicle in the Jossverse.

[LexCorp]

Cool, as long as no one minds lets keep the Joss stuff going then. Untill firefly came along my fav Joss stuff was Buffy season 3. Whatever was the (in firefly) preachers secret all about. I understand that he must of worked with the alliance and maybe was an agent of some kind maybe for Blue Sun but I never really found out. Any ideas?
:confused:

[Archangel]

If it ran longer, i'd wager that it would've usurped Angel as my favorite Joss show.

As far as first seasons go, however, it totally blows Buffy and Angel out of the water.

[The Question]

Cool, as long as no one minds lets keep the Joss stuff going then. Untill firefly came along my fav Joss stuff was Buffy season 3. Whatever was the (in firefly) preachers secret all about. I understand that he must of worked with the alliance and maybe was an agent of some kind maybe for Blue Sun but I never really found out. Any ideas?
:confused:


Remember the Operative with the sword from the movie? Well, I think Book used to have that guy's job, but after a while he couldn't deal with all the killing so he became a preist.

[LexCorp]

That is a most excellent theory. It would make sense. So far it’s the best I have heard or come up with on my own.
I previously thought that he might have been a chief science guy responsible for the environment changes on alliance worlds that make humans overly obedient until they relax to death and he his now repenting. But that’s a bit of a stretch..... :up:

[kytrigger]

I agree that it could have been the best stuff from Joss, but it was too short to really judge.

I think that Book was an Operative too, and that he had something major to do with helping the Alliance win the war (which is one of the reasons he is so adament about no ttelling the crew about his past).

[LexCorp]

Whos your fav character from the show? I have to say Jane for sheer fun factor but also Mal. Mal and Jane are the first no bulls**t characters to appear on anything from Joss so far.

[Archangel]

I have a soft spot for Kaylee. After her, it'd be a tie between Mal and Wash.

[Fenryr]

Firefly was probably my favorite show Joss put out, but I only watched the second and third seasons of Buffy, and as far as I'm concerned, he shot himself in the foot with Serenity. I loved it, and I consider myself a Browncoat, but I don't think I'd get as much enjoyment out of a Firefly or Serenity 2 without Wash. In lots of different ways, he, Kaylee, and Simon made the show for me. The three least-hardened characters, and definitely my favorites.

As a side note, Jewel Staite played a semi-Goth girl in a first-season episode of Dead Like Me. It's pretty unnerving seeing her in so much black after seeing her as Kaylee in Shindig.

[Landis-Wolf]

Firefly was awesome. I personnally didnt think the movie was as good as the TV show, but it was still pretty damn awesome. My favorite character is either:

Book = Just love him. And his Einstein hair!
Jayne = So much fun
Simon = He reminds me of myself.

[Spider-X]

I'm a Browncoat...i want this series back in the worst way, and i've made a good few threads about the it.

use the search function..you'll find'em...got some good info on the direction the Series possibly returning is in.

[LexCorp]

I think the lack of Wash and Book now hurt the series if it could continue. I like that River can fly the ship but I will miss Wash and his dinosaurs. What did you think of the villan in Objects In Space, I think his name was Early. I thought he was cool / creepy.

[Fenryr]

Early, as far as I can tell, was a prototype for the Operative. I wish there would've been more contact with Jayne, since they seemed to be pretty similar.

[LexCorp]

Jayne is a cool charater also. Liked it when he betrayed the crew and Mal has him in the air lock. Pretty gritty stuff. Early got beat to easy I thought.

[Spike_x1]

I would've liked to see Jayne fighting more. Maybe against someone like Early or the Operative, but he always found himself missing out on the physical matches. And that fight with River in Serenity is one that I, personally, would not really be ashamed of losing (OUCH!).

I liked Book and was looking forward to possibly finding out more about his past, but maybe if there's a Serenity 2, the crew might find something from Book's previous life that sends them on a quest to stop a threat from Book's past and also discover who and what he was before becoming a Shepard.

[The Question]

Well, there is the possibility of either some made for TV movies on Sci-Fi or new episodes on On Demand. Either way, I'd like to see an episode where they meet someone who knew Book (possibly his brother or sister), and learn from that person (via flashbacks) Book's story.

[Landis-Wolf]

(Skip to the end)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inara


What do you reckon would have been Inara's subplot? I reckon an addiction to drugs.

[CloakandDagger]

I'm a Browncoat and as for Firefly "Well when you can’t walk you crawl and when you can’t crawl (you have Sum one carry you) well you know"

[Unleashed]

Remember the Operative with the sword from the movie? Well, I think Book used to have that guy's job, but after a while he couldn't deal with all the killing so he became a preist.
YOU STOLE MY THEORY!!!!

Kaylee is hot, hotter in Firefly than in Serenity

[Timstuff]

I'm a brown coat. :up:

I hope they make another movie based on this show, because I'd love to see it live on as a movie trilogy.

[LexCorp]

Serenity is out today on DVD in the UK today. Now I must go and buy it. Hoorah!!

[The Question]

(Skip to the end)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inara


What do you reckon would have been Inara's subplot? I reckon an addiction to drugs.


I think she's got a terminal illness.

[LexCorp]

I think Ianar was one of the only characters that did not have a complicated past. I always wondered what Wash got up to in his past.

[Archangel]

I think Ianar was one of the only characters that did not have a complicated past. I always wondered what Wash got up to in his past.

He gave moustache rides.

[LexCorp]

Would of liked to see the origin of his dinosaurs!!

[The Question]

I think Ianar was one of the only characters that did not have a complicated past.

She did. They saidn she did.

[LexCorp]

I like the way they have blended the two remaining super powers of the Humans (China and America). A new government has risen and I want to know what the Blue Sun group was about.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I am now a Browncoat, unfortunately i only became one just after Serenity had gone off the cinema so i missed it. I fell in love with Firefly as soon as i watched it. And then had to wait from the beginning of November until the end Feb, yesterday in fact to see it. The wait was agonising, but worth it, Serenity was great, i just didnt like what happened to two of the characters in particular.

[Timstuff]

Yeah, I know what you mean about that last part (I won't spoil anything for people who haven't seen the movie yet though). I was actually in denial for a little while when I saw what happened. :(

[murdock_matt]

Firefly is my favorite TV show of all time, and the movie was a dream come true.

I just wish they would go for another film.

[LexCorp]

We can keep hope alive untill they do.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, I know what you mean about that last part (I won't spoil anything for people who haven't seen the movie yet though). I was actually in denial for a little while when I saw what happened. :(

So was i, especially about the second one, even though i had already been spoiled about what happened to those two. I really dont know why Joss did that though, I know he explains it on the commentary, and i understand his explanation, but i just dont think he needed to do it.

[LexCorp]

Joss likes the shock tactic. He did it in Buffy and Angel.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well i never watched Buffy or Angel, but i dont like that he did it, i guess i'm gonna be the same when X3 comes out and cyke and the proff die. I'm surprised Alan Tudyk agreed to be killed though, maybe he just wanted to do other things and not have to do a sequel.

[Keyser Soze]

Well i never watched Buffy or Angel, but i dont like that he did it, i guess i'm gonna be the same when X3 comes out and cyke and the proff die. I'm surprised Alan Tudyk agreed to be killed though, maybe he just wanted to do other things and not have to do a sequel.

Thank you for the X3 spoiler. :o :down

Back on topic, once I buy "Serenity" on DVD, I'm going to rewatch "Firefly", then finish by watching "Serenity". See how it all fits together as one big story.

[LexCorp]

Well i never watched Buffy or Angel, but i dont like that he did it, i guess i'm gonna be the same when X3 comes out and cyke and the proff die. I'm surprised Alan Tudyk agreed to be killed though, maybe he just wanted to do other things and not have to do a sequel.
I did hear something like that about Alan. I think I read in Empire that he had low expectations of the films success and decide that he could be killed off.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Thank you for the X3 spoiler. :o :down

Back on topic, once I buy "Serenity" on DVD, I'm going to rewatch "Firefly", then finish by watching "Serenity". See how it all fits together as one big story.

Sorry Keyzer, i thought everyone on these boards knew about it since there has been such outrage. Anyway, there is a chance that hose deaths wont occur.

Lexcorp, Joss just said on the commentary that they both agreed on the fate of the character because they wanted it to seem that in the following scene's no one was going to live.

[ForgotN]

He gave moustache rides.

Was that between the shadow puppets. :)

As for my favorite episode, had to be Jayn's town. or maybe Shindig. and The Train Job......

As for Inaras subplot,

**SPOILER**

it had to do with that mysteriouse vial that she pulled out in the pilot when they thought they were going to be attacked by revears. They were going to do a VERY dark episode late in season 1 were she got captured by revears and injected herself with vial before they do the reavery thing to her. Turns out the vial has some super secret toxin that doesnt kill the person that takes it but kills all of there "partners". Then she had to deal with the aftereffects of the toxin when she finally got rescued.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

My favourite is either Out Of Gas, The Message, Shindig, or Objects In Space. That Inara spoiler is crazy, that would taked the show to some dark, dark places.

[LexCorp]

I liked Objects in space. But Jaynes Town is my fav and that song.
"Jayne, the man they call Jayne.
Well he robbed from the rich and he gave to the poor.
Stood up to the man and he gave them what for
Our love for him now ain't hard to explain the hero of Canton the man they call Jayne"
Can not remember all of it.....

[LexCorp]

http://blitzgal.com/blitz_firefly_kaylee001.jpg
My fav pic of Kalee from firefly.............

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I take it Kaylee is your favourite Lexcorp? I thought Jaynestown was great as well, along with Our Mrs Reynolds, i would say they are the two funniest out of all of them.

[Landis-Wolf]

As for Inaras subplot,

**SPOILER**

it had to do with that mysteriouse vial that she pulled out in the pilot when they thought they were going to be attacked by revears. They were going to do a VERY dark episode late in season 1 were she got captured by revears and injected herself with vial before they do the reavery thing to her. Turns out the vial has some super secret toxin that doesnt kill the person that takes it but kills all of there "partners". Then she had to deal with the aftereffects of the toxin when she finally got rescued.

That would make sense, remember she wouldnt "service" crew members? That would be the reason.

[YJ1]

I'm a Browncoat...i want this series back in the worst way, and i've made a good few threads about the it.

use the search function..you'll find'em...got some good info on the direction the Series possibly returning is in.

Not being a huge Buffy/Angel fan, I never gave Firefly a thought. That was a huge mistake. I saw the Serenity movie and really enjoyed it. So, I purchased the series on DVD and fell in love. I'm a brand new Browncoat that would desperately like to see this series resume in some form. I wonder how many other new fans the movie created and are we enough to take a new Firefly series to the next ratings level? I never saw one minute of Firefly on Fox.

[LexCorp]

Kaylee is awesome, one of my fav charaters.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Not being a huge Buffy/Angel fan, I never gave Firefly a thought. That was a huge mistake. I saw the Serenity movie and really enjoyed it. So, I purchased the series on DVD and fell in love. I'm a brand new Browncoat that would desperately like to see this series resume in some form. I wonder how many other new fans the movie created and are we enough to take a new Firefly series to the next ratings level? I never saw one minute of Firefly on Fox.

Cool, hope there are more new fans out there like you!!!!

[LexCorp]

The more fans we can convert the better.

http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/firefly.jpg

We need you to volunteer and fight against the Alliance.

[Lara]

I am a big BuffyAngel fan but I've always been afraid to watch the show/movie. I need a question answered. Supposedly some of the villians are cannibals is that really true and what do they show? I just can't watch anything like that it freaks me out and makes me physically ill.

[LexCorp]

I am a big BuffyAngel fan but I've always been afraid to watch the show/movie. I need a question answered. Supposedly some of the villians are cannibals is that really true and what do they show? I just can't watch anything like that it freaks me out and makes me physically ill.

They are not exactly villians and they are never shown on screen clearly so you will not have to worry to much there. They are talked about by the crew as a scary but are mostly an unseen force in the series. Watch the show and I promise it is not that bad. Trust me you never really see them.

In fact if my memory is right you only ever see a Reaver (the name of the "villans") space ship and a normal mans reactions after being captured by them.

[Lara]

They are not exactly villians and they are never shown on screen clearly so you will not have to worry to much there. They are talked about by the crew as a scary but are mostly an unseen force in the series. Watch the show and I promise it is not that bad. Trust me you never really see them.

In fact if my memory is right you only ever see a Reaver (the name of the "villans") space ship and a normal mans reactions after being captured by them.
Well if they don't show it I may try it. The series is selling for so cheap now. I do love Whedon. Part of me though would hate to love it then there only be 13 episodes. It was so much easier to start the first season of Buffy on dvd knowing if I liked it I had 7 seasons to look foreward to.

[LexCorp]

Well if they don't show it I may try it. The series is selling for so cheap now. I do love Whedon. Part of me though would hate to love it then there only be 13 episodes. It was so much easier to start the first season of Buffy on dvd knowing if I liked it I had 7 seasons to look foreward to.

Yeah that's true. It is nice knowing if you like that there is more to follow. But there is a full movie after the series you know. It's worth it.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The movie is cool as well, you see more of the Reavers in the movie, but you dont actually see them eating anyone or anything like that.

[LexCorp]

They are like the boogie man. Like an old campfire story, in the series they are designed to be a fearful presence just through rumour only.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

You, i watched the pilot again last night and i do think it is underrated as far as the episodes go. It is a very good extended episode.

[LexCorp]

It's priceless. I rarely watch a new show now without getting bored as they set up the series with exposition but Firefly sucked me in from the start.

[The Question]

They are not exactly villians and they are never shown on screen clearly so you will not have to worry to much there. They are talked about by the crew as a scary but are mostly an unseen force in the series. Watch the show and I promise it is not that bad. Trust me you never really see them.

In fact if my memory is right you only ever see a Reaver (the name of the "villans") space ship and a normal mans reactions after being captured by them.


However, the movie does show the Reavers. But, it never shows them doing their thing, what with the raping and eating and all.

[LexCorp]

Be on the look out for Badger too. He is a cool character.

[LexCorp]

and yes the reavers also are in the movie and they are not that scary...

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah i love the Reaver chase in the pilot, when they pull the ivan.

[LexCorp]

Yeah i love the Reaver chase in the pilot, when they pull the ivan.

Yeah pulling a Crazy Ivan. I like the way Reaver ships produce so much exhaust fumes to.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah pulling a Crazy Ivan. I like the way Reaver ships produce so much exhaust fumes to.

Yeah, because they run with no engine cover

[LexCorp]

Yeah, because they run with no engine cover

Very raw type ships. Do you ever wonder how they can function with all this technology if they are insane???

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, they obviously have some humanity left in them, and some of them must have been pilots before the Miranda incident, so they probably just remember things. Or they just learned how to operate them, they had to get into space some how, and i'm pretty sure they could have only got their ships from the remains of Miranda.

[Mandi-chan]

This show (and the movie that went with it) rocks! Love it, and feel it's the best Whedon show.

[The Question]

Yeah pulling a Crazy Ivan. I like the way Reaver ships produce so much exhaust fumes to.

I've always wanted to go to a convention with alot of brown coats dressed in a flight jacket and big glasses. When they ask who I'm supposd to be, I'll say "I'm Crazy Ivan", and then explain my idea of the story behind the Crazy Ivan.

Very raw type ships. Do you ever wonder how they can function with all this technology if they are insane???


Well, there's different types of crazy. Hanibal Lectre is crazy, but I wouldn't doun\bt that someone like him could learn how to pilote a ship. The Reavers are more "ape **** crazy", meaning that they're like rabbid, wild animals. Still, they obviously retain some normal cognative functions.

[LexCorp]

I've always wanted to go to a convention with alot of brown coats dressed in a flight jacket and big glasses. When they ask who I'm supposd to be, I'll say "I'm Crazy Ivan", and then explain my idea of the story behind the Crazy Ivan.

I like that. Maybe crazy Ivan can replace Wash. lol




Well, there's different types of crazy. Hanibal Lectre is crazy, but I wouldn't doun\bt that someone like him could learn how to pilote a ship. The Reavers are more "ape **** crazy", meaning that they're like rabbid, wild animals. Still, they obviously retain some normal cognative functions.

Awesome

[The Question]

I like that. Maybe crazy Ivan can replace Wash. lol


Well, my idea is that Crazy Ivan was the engineer for a Firefly class ship a few hundred years earlyer. The ship was being chased by pirates, so Ivan rigged the engine to make a huge energy wave when they went to full burn. And thus, the Crazy Ivan was born.

[LexCorp]

Well, my idea is that Crazy Ivan was the engineer for a Firefly class ship a few hundred years earlyer. The ship was being chased by pirates, so Ivan rigged the engine to make a huge energy wave when they went to full burn. And thus, the Crazy Ivan was born.


That's a good theory. You think Ivan could have descendents that could replace Wash?

[The Question]

I don't know. I actually had an idea for an arc in Firefly if it ever returned:


After the whole situation with the Miranda broadcast, the crew of the Serenity become sort of mythic Robin Hood like figures. One day, they meet this kid who was a student at the acadamy with River. He had heard the story of the Serenity, and was inspired. He escaped, and has been on the run ever since. He, like River, is a genius with psychic abilities. However, his psychic powers are not as well developed as River's. Also, while he is skilled in electronics and mechanics, his specialty is that he is an amazing pilot. So, he becomes the ship's new pilot. Now, he is crazy, but not in the same way River is. He's lucid and cognative, but he's still obviously out of his mind. He's Deadpool crazy. This is an example of Deadpool crazy if you're not familiar with it:


http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shoryuken5jh.jpg


He sort of takes over as the comedic releif, but is a different kind of funny as to not seem like a cheap Wash ripoff.


Throughout the season, we see a new operative tracking the crew. He's often seen watching them whenever they stop down in a town, and ocasionally speaks with alliance oficers in the towns where he's tracked them to. He's fought them a few times, and each time has almost been testing them. He seems to posseses inhuman reflexes, can leap great distances, and has been shown to be able to move objects with a thought. He's also been shown causing violent migranes in others by looking at them. It is quite possible that he is the final result of the Acadamy's goal.

Throughout the season, we ocasionally see him speaking with the new pilot, suggesting that he is a plant on the ship, or is somehow connected to the new operative. The new operative often says that the crew would no longer trust the pilot if they new the truth, suggesting that there is more to the young pilot's past than we realized.

In the season finale, the new operative apears on the ship and starts taking them all out one by one. He cripples the ship, and defeats all of the crew. He then reveals who he really is.


The pilot.


Yes, he and the pilot are one and the same. To insure that he wouldn't blow his cover, the Alliance programed a case of multiple personality disorder into his brain. He locks up the crew, and puts the ship on a course to be intercepted by an alliance cruiser. There is only one obstical left.


River.


River establishes a telepathic link with the pilot, and begin to battle furiosly in the physical world while calmly talking in the world of the mind. Eventually, the battle shifts into one between the two personalities, and with the help of River they are eventually fused together into one personality. The new personality has the inherent morality of the pilot, his sense of humor, full control of the operative's skills and powers, and a darker nature. The two of them fight and kill the alliance operatives, and free the crew. The pilot then leaves to be seen again another season.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, my idea is that Crazy Ivan was the engineer for a Firefly class ship a few hundred years earlyer. The ship was being chased by pirates, so Ivan rigged the engine to make a huge energy wave when they went to full burn. And thus, the Crazy Ivan was born.

The full burn wasnt the Crazy Ivan. The engines flipping and twisting the ship around was. Remember when the captain suggested full burn Zoe said " A fullburn in atmo.....wont that cause a blowback?" She didnt say "A Crazy Ivan in atmo?" The Ivan was the engines flipping.

[LexCorp]

I don't know. I actually had an idea for an arc in Firefly if it ever returned:


After the whole situation with the Miranda broadcast, the crew of the Serenity become sort of mythic Robin Hood like figures. One day, they meet this kid who was a student at the acadamy with River. He had heard the story of the Serenity, and was inspired. He escaped, and has been on the run ever since. He, like River, is a genius with psychic abilities. However, his psychic powers are not as well developed as River's. Also, while he is skilled in electronics and mechanics, his specialty is that he is an amazing pilot. So, he becomes the ship's new pilot. Now, he is crazy, but not in the same way River is. He's lucid and cognative, but he's still obviously out of his mind. He's Deadpool crazy. This is an example of Deadpool crazy if you're not familiar with it:


http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shoryuken5jh.jpg


He sort of takes over as the comedic releif, but is a different kind of funny as to not seem like a cheap Wash ripoff.


Throughout the season, we see a new operative tracking the crew. He's often seen watching them whenever they stop down in a town, and ocasionally speaks with alliance oficers in the towns where he's tracked them to. He's fought them a few times, and each time has almost been testing them. He seems to posseses inhuman reflexes, can leap great distances, and has been shown to be able to move objects with a thought. He's also been shown causing violent migranes in others by looking at them. It is quite possible that he is the final result of the Acadamy's goal.

Throughout the season, we ocasionally see him speaking with the new pilot, suggesting that he is a plant on the ship, or is somehow connected to the new operative. The new operative often says that the crew would no longer trust the pilot if they new the truth, suggesting that there is more to the young pilot's past than we realized.

In the season finale, the new operative apears on the ship and starts taking them all out one by one. He cripples the ship, and defeats all of the crew. He then reveals who he really is.


The pilot.


Yes, he and the pilot are one and the same. To insure that he wouldn't blow his cover, the Alliance programed a case of multiple personality disorder into his brain. He locks up the crew, and puts the ship on a course to be intercepted by an alliance cruiser. There is only one obstical left.


River.


River establishes a telepathic link with the pilot, and begin to battle furiosly in the physical world while calmly talking in the world of the mind. Eventually, the battle shifts into one between the two personalities, and with the help of River they are eventually fused together into one personality. The new personality has the inherent morality of the pilot, his sense of humor, full control of the operative's skills and powers, and a darker nature. The two of them fight and kill the alliance operatives, and free the crew. The pilot then leaves to be seen again another season.

Again I salute your more than deep thought about the show. However I am not sure if a sequel should be mainly River orientated again. I would like to see the other characters be sent in front first.

[The Question]

The full burn wasnt the Crazy Ivan. The engines flipping and twisting the ship around was. Remember when the captain suggested full burn Zoe said " A fullburn in atmo.....wont that cause a blowback?" She didnt say "A Crazy Ivan in atmo?" The Ivan was the engines flipping.


Oh. Are you sure?

[The Question]

Again I salute your more than deep thought about the show. However I am not sure if a sequel should be mainly River orientated again. I would like to see the other characters be sent in front first.


Wouldn't necesairily be River oriented. Just the finale.

[LexCorp]

That's cool. I would think Mal and Zoe would become new leaders of a second rebellion. That story could have many avenues to go down.

[The Question]

Well, I thought that the season after the one I described, the pilot could come back, and help Mal and Zoe instigate something of that nature. I had this idea for a story where the pilot finds out that the Acadamy has been in operation for much longer than we thought, and has been responsible for alot of the technological leaps over the years. And, the power source for most of the inner planets isn't some new rare element they created.


It's superhumans.


Superhumans grown in a lab to serve a specific purpose. In the case of the energy sources, their sub atomic structures are constantly breaking down and regenerating, giving of massive amounts of energy.

[LexCorp]

Well, I thought that the season after the one I described, the pilot could come back, and help Mal and Zoe instigate something of that nature. I had this idea for a story where the pilot finds out that the Acadamy has been in operation for much longer than we thought, and has been responsible for alot of the technological leaps over the years. And, the power source for most of the inner planets isn't some new rare element they created.


It's superhumans.


Superhumans grown in a lab to serve a specific purpose. In the case of the energy sources, their sub atomic structures are constantly breaking down and regenerating, giving of massive amounts of energy.

That would cool also. The rebellion (Mal) could probably convince the super humans to turn on the alliance government at some point.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Oh. Are you sure?

Yeah positive, that why Wash says just before they do it "Here's something you cant do" The Reavers can do full burn, so why would he say that to the Reavers. What he meant was the engines flipping.

[LexCorp]

Yeah positive, that why Wash says just before they do it "Here's something you cant do" The Reavers can do full burn, so why would he say that to the Reavers. What he meant was the engines flipping.

Yeah an Ivan is most definitly when a side engine flips for a dramitic turn. Full burn is just pedal to the metal. :)

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah an Ivan is most definitly when a side engine flips for a dramitic turn. Full burn is just pedal to the metal. :)

Exactly right Lexcorp.

[LexCorp]

Cool, call me Lex lol.

A return of Janyes hat. I think I saw it in the movie for a second??

[Herr Logan]

Remember the Operative with the sword from the movie? Well, I think Book used to have that guy's job, but after a while he couldn't deal with all the killing so he became a preist.

The novelization of 'Serenity' (which I don't think is strictly considered canon) strongly implied this. It's a little sketchy, though, since the Operative called Book by his full name and expressed recognition of his work as a government agent. Secret Operatives of the Parliament lose their names when they take the position. It seemed that Derrial Book went back to his original name, or the Operative associated his new name with his former identity a good while ago. Book seemed on good terms with the Alliance in the series, so maybe there's nothing wrong with him reclaiming his name.

:wolverine

[LexCorp]

The novelization of 'Serenity' (which I don't think is strictly considered canon) strongly implied this. It's a little sketchy, though, since the Operative called Book by his full name and expressed recognition of his work as a government agent. Secret Operatives of the Parliament lose their names when they take the position. It seemed that Derrial Book went back to his original name, or the Operative associated his new name with his former identity a good while ago. Book seemed on good terms with the Alliance in the series, so maybe there's nothing wrong with him reclaiming his name.

:wolverine

Cool, thanks for the post about that. Answers a few things..

[The Question]

The novelization of 'Serenity' (which I don't think is strictly considered canon) strongly implied this. It's a little sketchy, though, since the Operative called Book by his full name and expressed recognition of his work as a government agent. Secret Operatives of the Parliament lose their names when they take the position. It seemed that Derrial Book went back to his original name, or the Operative associated his new name with his former identity a good while ago. Book seemed on good terms with the Alliance in the series, so maybe there's nothing wrong with him reclaiming his name.

:wolverine


Yeah, that's probably it. Although, the fact that the operatives lose their names is most likely a security thing. It probably doesn't matter if one is retired.

[LexCorp]

I think that's nice if they let Book stay on good terms with Alliance. I thought that they would of got rid of him if he retired?

[Herr Logan]

Cool, thanks for the post about that. Answers a few things..

No problem.

I actually read the novel before the movie, and I was pretty disappointed that they didn't show the scene where Book shoots down the ship, is himself shot, and then the Operative actually talks to him. I realize that showing the action on Haven would be pushing whatever budget they had, but Book had so little exposure in the movie, and that shouldn't be the case. Well, for that matter, he shouldn't have died, either. Neither should Wash have died.

I know it's something we've seen before, but it would have been cool if Book had been in on the final firefight with the Reavers, takin' out kneecaps like in 'War Stories.'

:wolverine

[LexCorp]

No problem.

I actually read the novel before the movie, and I was pretty disappointed that they didn't show the scene where Book shoots down the ship, is himself shot, and then the Operative actually talks to him. I realize that showing the action on Haven would be pushing whatever budget they had, but Book had so little exposure in the movie, and that shouldn't be the case. Well, for that matter, he shouldn't have died, either. Neither should Wash have died.

I know it's something we've seen before, but it would have been cool if Book had been in on the final firefight with the Reavers, takin' out kneecaps like in 'War Stories.'

:wolverine

Yeah I felt that it needed more Book, Inara etc... but now I know I think I should go out and get this novel to read. Fill in some blanks.

[Herr Logan]

Yeah, that's probably it. Although, the fact that the operatives lose their names is most likely a security thing. It probably doesn't matter if one is retired.

Well, considering what the Hands of Blue did to several Alliance officers just because they talked to Simon (and therefore possibly River) in 'Ariel', thereby risking the potential for an information leak, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they didn't let Operatives retire and live. They certainly wouldn't want the Operative from 'Serenity' to live, considering he not only failed but aided and abetted the enemy. That's a guy who won't be using his original name again any time soon.

Joss Whedon is big on continuity, but there are a few discrepencies in 'Firefly' itself and between it and 'Serenity' (the biggest being the contradictory explanations for how Simon got River out of the Academy; he claimed he had her smuggled out and delivered in cryostasis by others, but in the movie, he did half the extraction by himself). Still, the reason I rack my brain over this stuff is because it's such a phenomenal franchise. I just hope if it continues-- either in movies or on TV, that it doesn't decline in quality. Comics are an okay medium, too, but without the cast of the show, it's a pale imitation. They really got the right people to do those parts.

:wolverine

[Angry Sentinel]

As sad as Book's death (and possibly unnecessary) it did leave us with a great desire to know more about this character. And since we know how he ends, maybe we can someday get a different property about how he began...

[Herr Logan]

Yeah I felt that it needed more Book, Inara etc... but now I know I think I should go out and get this novel to read. Fill in some blanks.

The book actually fills in a lot of blanks for people who haven't seen the show. In the narrative, the author cited a good deal of the episodes of the show in explanation of chracters' actions and thoughts.

I was shocked while reading when Mal Reynolds said he looks out for "me and mine-- now that don't include you unless I conjure it does," considering what he said at the end of 'Safe' in response to Simon asking him why he came back to pick him up: "You're on my crew." The novel cites that scene with quotes and addresses it by having Mal question what changed between then and now.

I realize that a person who hadn't seen the show (or even just read the novel) might be in the dark a little when watching the movie. It's unfortunate that the movie was far more of an action flick instead of the comedy/western/space opera that it was on the show. Still, it's a damn good movie, and the few moments of levity really count. "Dear Buddha, please send me a pony, and a plastic rocket, and..." :D

:wolverine

[LexCorp]

The book actually fills in a lot of blanks for people who haven't seen the show. In the narrative, the author cited a good deal of the episodes of the show in explanation of chracters' actions and thoughts.

I was shocked while reading when Mal Reynolds said he looks out for "me and mine-- now that don't include you unless I conjure it does," considering what he said at the end of 'Safe' in response to Simon asking him why he came back to pick him up: "You're on my crew." The novel cites that scene with quotes and addresses it by having Mal question what changed between then and now.

I realize that a person who hadn't seen the show (or even just read the novel) might be in the dark a little when watching the movie. It's unfortunate that the movie was far more of an action flick instead of the comedy/western/space opera that it was on the show. Still, it's a damn good movie, and the few moments of levity really count. "Dear Buddha, please send me a pony, and a plastic rocket, and..." :D

:wolverine

The change in Simon and Mals relationship will interest me the most. I would like to see how that changed from the show.

[Angry Sentinel]

The book actually fills in a lot of blanks for people who haven't seen the show. In the narrative, the author cited a good deal of the episodes of the show in explanation of chracters' actions and thoughts.

I realize that a person who hadn't seen the show (or even just read the novel) might be in the dark a little when watching the movie. It's unfortunate that the movie was far more of an action flick instead of the comedy/western/space opera that it was on the show. Still, it's a damn good movie, and the few moments of levity really count. "Dear Buddha, please send me a pony, and a plastic rocket, and..." :D

:wolverine You know it's funny, cause at the end I was "impressed myownself" by how much the drama in an action flick got me to care. I actually cared about the people of Miranda.. I actually cared why the alliance wanted River back. You just don't get that emotion from the normal shoot'em up these days.

[Herr Logan]

You know it's funny, cause at the end I was "impressed myownself" by how much the drama in an action flick got me to care. I actually cared about the people of Miranda.. I actually cared why the alliance wanted River back. You just don't get that emotion from the normal shoot'em up these days.

True. There's also the fact that many of the people who saw it were fans of the show (I'm assuming that includes you). It's easier to care when the main characters and surrounding environement were compelling before the movie started. I just find it hard to look at it with a lot of objectivity, is all.

They may make a sequel, and I know who I want the villain to be: Adelei Niska. The movie will have to have a lot of humor in it to keep everything from being too dark and morbid, since Niska would no doubt torture one or more members of the crew yet again.

I'd like it if other minor characters in 'Firefly' showed up again in movies, too, like Badger and Saffron.

Did you know that the part of Badger was originally meant to be played by Joss Whedon? Man, am I ever glad that didn't come to pass. That wouldn't have been anywhere near as good as it is with Mark Sheppard.

:wolverine

[Angry Sentinel]

True. There's also the fact that many of the people who saw it were fans of the show (I'm assuming that includes you). It's easier to care when the main characters and surrounding environement were compelling before the movie started. I just find it hard to look at it with a lot of objectivity, is all.

They may make a sequel, and I know who I want the villain to be: Adelei Niska. The movie will have to have a lot of humor in it to keep everything from being too dark and morbid, since Niska would no doubt torture one or more members of the crew yet again.

I'd like it if other minor characters in 'Firefly' showed up again in movies, too, like Badger and Saffron.

Did you know that the part of Badger was originally meant to be played by Joss Whedon? Man, am I ever glad that didn't come to pass. That wouldn't have been anywhere near as good as it is with Mark Sheppard.

:wolverine Yup I was partial, but it never ceases to amaze me when I get a surprise like that. I went into the movie thinking he would go for the bigger than life action super flick, to try to capture the mainstream audience. so I never guessed the movie would have that much heart.

Niska is the obvious choice for the next villlian. gives the story a chance to show more personal angst. But what surrounds this little private war between Mal and Niska? That would be the good part, can Joss bring in an element to make this interesting to anyone, not just fans.

Haven't seen Joss act (lol), but I can't even begin to imagine Badger being anyone other than Mark Sheppard... he owns it.

[The Question]

Well, considering what the Hands of Blue did to several Alliance officers just because they talked to Simon (and therefore possibly River) in 'Ariel', thereby risking the potential for an information leak, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they didn't let Operatives retire and live. They certainly wouldn't want the Operative from 'Serenity' to live, considering he not only failed but aided and abetted the enemy. That's a guy who won't be using his original name again any time soon.

Well, since he was able to get into an Alliance hospital in "safe", I'd assume that he was still on relatively good terms with the Alliance.

[Herr Logan]

Yup I was partial, but it never ceases to amaze me when I get a surprise like that. I went into the movie thinking he would go for the bigger than life action super flick, to try to capture the mainstream audience. so I never guessed the movie would have that much heart.

Niska is the obvious choice for the next villlian. gives the story a chance to show more personal angst. But what surrounds this little private war between Mal and Niska? That would be the good part, can Joss bring in an element to make this interesting to anyone, not just fans.

Haven't seen Joss act (lol), but I can't even begin to imagine Badger being anyone other than Mark Sheppard... he owns it.

What surrounds the private war between Niska and Mal? The fact that Mal not only failed to carry out the job but killed his number one thug, Crow, and when Niska was making good on his standing policy of torturing such people to death, Mal got rescued before more than a day of torture had passed. That's what. Niska having Mal captured is just business as usual; Mal didn't even need to kill Crow to earn Niska's ire, but Niska didn't bargain on a top-rate soldier, a ruthless mercenary, a dead-shot preacher and a psychic genius coming to his rescue. I'll bet he's got better protection if they ever cross paths again, and I would hope that Mal will be smart enough never to go anywhere near the planet in whose orbit Niska's skyplex rests.

Mark Sheppard definitely owns that part. All the principal cast own their parts. Michael Fairman owns the role of Niska; I just love his kindly, grandfatherly image that conceals the meanest soul in the 'verse this side of a Reaver. I loved his first scene, where he's babbling about reputation and the fact that in response to Mal deflecting Niska's observation that the captain wasn't happy with seeing a hanging corpse that was tortured to death he said, "My wife's nephew. At dinner I am getting earful; there's no way out of that." Brilliant!

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Well, since he was able to get into an Alliance hospital in "safe", I'd assume that he was still on relatively good terms with the Alliance.

That's true. As I said before, there's at least one glaring discrepency in continuity from the show to the movie, but this could actually gel with what was on the show.

The other big controversy is the differences between the revelations in 'Serenity' and what Mal inexplicably was able to divulge about Reavers in 'Bushwacked'. I suppose Reavers could "reproduce" through violating and slaughtering large groups of people while making one survivor watch, even though they were originally created through exposure to that "Pax" chemical on Miranda.

:wolverine

[The Question]

Well, as I posted earlyer, I had an idea for a villain in the series. Obviously, it would probably never happen, but It would be cool to have that villain, or a character like him, organizing a plan to destroy the crew, involving Niska and others.

[LexCorp]

Yup I was partial, but it never ceases to amaze me when I get a surprise like that. I went into the movie thinking he would go for the bigger than life action super flick, to try to capture the mainstream audience. so I never guessed the movie would have that much heart.

Niska is the obvious choice for the next villlian. gives the story a chance to show more personal angst. But what surrounds this little private war between Mal and Niska? That would be the good part, can Joss bring in an element to make this interesting to anyone, not just fans.

Haven't seen Joss act (lol), but I can't even begin to imagine Badger being anyone other than Mark Sheppard... he owns it.

I have seen Joss act once. It was an episode of Angel (Through the Looking Glass). He played a brother of Lorn and was in the background as a dancing Pylean demon named Numfar.

Death Wok Clan Mother: "Numfar do the dance of shame!"
Numfar (Joss) dances silly.

Joss Whedon had a conversation with Tim Minear & David Greenwalt over the creation of Numfar: [Joss] "There should be a guy in the background doing a stupid dance like this'. Finally Greenwalt and Minear said, 'Why dont you do the stupid dance? You already look stupid, we've just gotta put make-up on'".

Cool huh?

[Unleashed]

I just got a shirt from Hot Topic with "Brown Coat" on it.

[LexCorp]

I just got a shirt from Hot Topic with "Brown Coat" on it.

Cool I went to hot topic once. Are they still that rock/punk type place?

[Angry Sentinel]

I have seen Joss act once. It was an episode of Angel (Through the Looking Glass). He played a brother of Lorn and was in the background as a dancing Pylean demon named Numfar.

Death Wok Clan Mother: "Numfar do the dance of shame!"
Numfar (Joss) dances silly.

Joss Whedon had a conversation with Tim Minear & David Greenwalt over the creation of Numfar: [Joss] "There should be a guy in the background doing a stupid dance like this'. Finally Greenwalt and Minear said, 'Why dont you do the stupid dance? You already look stupid, we've just gotta put make-up on'".

Cool huh? i've seen that ep.. pretty funny. The first time I saw it, I did not like that story arch. But after I re-watched I realized it had some important issues to handle (No I'm not just talking about Fred).

[The Question]

I have seen Joss act once. It was an episode of Angel (Through the Looking Glass). He played a brother of Lorn and was in the background as a dancing Pylean demon named Numfar.

Death Wok Clan Mother: "Numfar do the dance of shame!"
Numfar (Joss) dances silly.

Joss Whedon had a conversation with Tim Minear & David Greenwalt over the creation of Numfar: [Joss] "There should be a guy in the background doing a stupid dance like this'. Finally Greenwalt and Minear said, 'Why dont you do the stupid dance? You already look stupid, we've just gotta put make-up on'".

Cool huh?


I've also seen him act here (http://youtube.com/watch?v=g6n1PMZ-TBs&search=firefly%20river). He's the therapist (obviously)

[Ronny Shade]

okay I'm joining this thread late so forgive me for not reading everything.

For Buffy Joss started with a universe that already existed (the universe of B-horror films and teen movies/shows) and he made it work. Angel is based on the same principle. These universes are fundamentally flawed in many ways. Joss, however, made them work...and well.

With Firefly, though. He made his own universe...and one that already worked. He went from there and made it awesome.

[/my 2 cents on Firefly]

[LexCorp]

okay I'm joining this thread late so forgive me for not reading everything.

For Buffy Joss started with a universe that already existed (the universe of B-horror films and teen movies/shows) and he made it work. Angel is based on the same principle. These universes are fundamentally flawed in many ways. Joss, however, made them work...and well.

With Firefly, though. He made his own universe...and one that already worked. He went from there and made it awesome.

[/my 2 cents on Firefly]

Yes he did indeed. Also would like to point out that the poll so far has shown the majority to say that this is his best work. Thank you voters....

[OoAnd1]

I have just recently gotten into Firefly. For me it started with the movie since I never heard of the show before that. I just rented the Firefly series and so far it's great.

What's the news with a possible sequel?? Is it looking good or bad?

[Darthphere]

Good god, how did I miss this thread.

[Poetic Chaos]

I look for ships in most shows I watch. This is the only one where I couldn't picture a main character (River) with anyone else on the show.

[Darkfly]

I look for ships in most shows I watch. This is the only one where I couldn't picture a main character (River) with anyone else on the show.

That's because I'm not in iFirefly, since I would be River's perfect boyfriend.

[PyroChamber]

Thought I'd bump this thread because I just discovered the longer version of the blooper reel.

-H1BZ5QUMYM

[Darkfly]

SHINY News ALERT

Jewel Staite attended the Supanova Expo in Melbourne, Australia this weekend and over the two days graciously answered a lot of questions from fans of Firefly and Stargate Atlantis. During the first session Jewel was asked what she thought the storyline of Serenity would go. Jewel replied, “I always wanted Kaylee to become a mother” and added “hopefully there’ll be a Serenity 2″.

In the Q&A session the following day, a fan asked if there was any reason to still hope for another movie, Jewel’s response was “Absolutely!”.

Jewel also told fans that she’d been asked to go to LA in the Spring to record a commentary for the new special edition of Firefly that they’re working on. Great news for fans, but Jewel wonders why they don’t just make more instead of re-releasing it again. Might not be the sequel we want but hey its something even if it is just a new Firefly Box Set though its gonna have to be pretty gorram shiny for it to outdo the recently released Serenity Collector's Edtion DVD.


Click to actually watch part of the interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXWEKzebMHk)

[Darkfly]

Hey fellow Browncoats! Operation Full Burn is still underway and as "Lift Off" to the series draws near (Firefly airing on Universal HD on Apr 5th) we need to continue to show Universal that the 'Verse is worth investing in. To do this we need as many Browncoats as possible to show their support for the 'Verse by showing up to the Universal HD forum on April 5th just before 8 PM Eastern Standard Time as Serenity break atmo in High Def for the first time this season.

That's it! That's all a Browncoat has to do to show their shiny love for the 'Verse. Just show up to the forums here as Serenity heads out into the High-Definition black for 14 weeks. It's a piece of pressed protein cake with chocolaty frosting!

As always folks are welcome to say somethin' if they got words but the point is to get as many Browncoats on the site as we can at one specific time "Lift Off" time in this case.

Universal HD Forum:
http://boards.nbcuni.com/universalHD/index.php?showforum=4

[DACrowe]

Probably the best tv series of all time. In 14 episodes I saw more growth of character and depth of relationships than any of the popular "it" shows like Lost or 24 on TV right now. All of these characters were fascinating and worth exploring and while I wish it had more overarching plot lines, it was setting that up. Each episode was a self-contained piece of brilliance (minus Shindig and Heart of Gold which were both only okay) and I still lament its loss, even though I didn't know about it until after the movie (which tells you about Fox marketing).

With that said I think doing a series (which is its superior form) without two of the characters may be hard. But finishing it as a trilogy and exploring Mal's revitalized faith and the coming of a new war would be interesting. Also finding out some of Book's past and resolving the Mal/Inara thing and her mystery would be very satisfying. Still, I doubt a sequel will come about as it is now 2008 and there have been ro rumblings except baseless rumors by the fans. It's too bad because there was still a lot of room to go. Still, the movie was awesome and it was great to see the whole gang again and finding out River's mysteries and seeing her solve them. I can live with the loss of Wash and Book, who were great but were given a good send-off.

I just cannot forget this series and I think all fans have that period (some never leave it) where they cannot except it is gone. I excepted it to be so about a year ago, but it was a great show.

My fav. characters:

1. Mal
2. River
3. Simon
4. Wash
5. Jayne
6. Kaylee
7. Book
8. Zoe
9. Inara

But they were all great.

[Darkfly]

I admit I ain't as involved as I used to be say a year or two ago but hey there's no chance of anything if you don't have fans. Plus we've got another comic series to look forward to next year all about Book plus still got the next two comics out in Apr & May, it ain't dead by a long shot yet with the current comics, another comic series, a new Box Set, & new QMX goodies, .

[Rac]

I admit I ain't as involved as I used to be say a year or two ago but hey there's no chance of anything if you don't have fans. Plus we've got another comic series to look forward to next year all about Book plus still got the next two comics out in Apr & May, it ain't dead by a long shot yet with the current comics, another comic series, a new Box Set, & new QMX goodies, .

Which is going to be Blu-ray: http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Firefly-Blu-ray-Release/9350

[DawnWarrior]

I think the best thing I can hope for in terms of a continuation is to see it as an ongoing comic series. With the popularity of the Buffy Season 8 comics, they are now working on an Angel series that would continue that story. And each of the Firefly minis have sold very well, so although we wouldn't get to see our beloved flesh-and-blood cast get back together for another ride, we would at least get to see the rest of the story unfold in some form.

[Darkfly]

I think the best thing I can hope for in terms of a continuation is to see it as an ongoing comic series. With the popularity of the Buffy Season 8 comics, they are now working on an Angel series that would continue that story. And each of the Firefly minis have sold very well, so although we wouldn't get to see our beloved flesh-and-blood cast get back together for another ride, we would at least get to see the rest of the story unfold in some form.

That could very well be the way it will happen but I ain't completely convinced yet that their won't be some form of the cast getting on a screen again with a new Firefly Box Set & the Serenity CE in less than a year. I won't give up for a while yet :D


EDIT: Actually I'll never give up :D :D :D

[Darkfly]

Pajiba: Firefly One of the 15 Best Seasons of TV!

One of the best articles I've read on Firefly ever, Warning for brief strong language in article: http://www.pajiba.com/firefly.htm
Firefly deserves more, live long the Browncoats!!!

[Darkfly]

Alec Baldwin wants Firefly with sex in it!

Well, I may have embellished the headline a bit (just a teeny bit...). Here's what he actually said:
"I once pitched a show to (Fox president of entertainment) Kevin Reilly. I told him I wanted to bring back space travel on TV, like "Star Trek," but that I wanted to have sex in the space capsule and get really adult. In the show, the space capsule will have left Earth, and because of global warming, the Earth is dying. I'm the commander of this ship and I say, "We can never go back!" So Reilly is sitting there listening very patiently and finally says, "Well, we're never going to do that."

http://www.greendaily.com/2008/06/12/alec-baldwin-wants-to-do-a-global-warming-tv-drama

[Matt]

Alec Baldwin wants Firefly with sex in it!

Well, I may have embellished the headline a bit (just a teeny bit...). Here's what he actually said:


http://www.greendaily.com/2008/06/12/alec-baldwin-wants-to-do-a-global-warming-tv-drama


:lmao: Not exactly sure what it has to do with Firefly, but I'd watch it.

[Darkfly]

:lmao: Not exactly sure what it has to do with Firefly, but I'd watch it.

Alec Baldwin described a sci-fi show where Earth had been used up (Firefly anyone), it had sex (Firefly anyone), & it was a drama in space almost (Firefly anyone), then Alec said the Fox guy replied, ""Well, we're never going to do that." suggesting Firefly.

[Sam Fisher]

Anyone know where I can find the extended Firefly theme?

[GhostPoet]

So, I read that the SyFy boss (one of them) is a big fan of Firefly...and that he's looking for the next big space opera in the same style as firefly. Genre breaking.

Well...I think this is a perfect opportunity to bring Firefly BACK. It's the best choice because it already has a loyal, built in fan base, the characters and backgrounds and universe are already creating, saving the creative team a lot of time to concentrate on writing stories.

It's time Firefly made a return...when it first came out, the audience just was'nt ready. It caeme out at the WRONG time...but now, sci-fi is starting to make a come back...audiences seem a little more accepting of it...now is the perfect time for Serenity's return! Everyone get over to the SyFy boards and let's get the word out.

[Matt]

Timing had little to do with it. I doubt they'd be able to get the entire cast and crew back. Firefly is dead. Accept it :(

[Swordmaster]

I'm still waiting for 'The Shepherd's Tale'.

That's never coming out :csad:

[GL1]

I loved this show. I still watch it on a fairly regular basis.

Favorite Characters

Jubal Early, Book, YoSaffBridge, Kaylee, Zoe, Mal, Operative, Simon, Wash, River, Jayne, Inara - typically in that order.

I think finding out that Inara was dying, if done well might have moved her up, but I loved all of the characters.

On Reavers and Indians

My friend and I had a conversation about adding an 'Indians'-like faction for the Cowboys of Firefly, and then we realized they were already there - the Reavers. Feared, viewed as brutal savages, but no less intelligent by any means than normal folk, strange customs, and females all tucked safely away somewhere, these are the Native Americans of the Cowboy allegory, and they are mighty epic as such. This is not to make any comparisons with real life Native Americans, but with the classic Western misunderstanding of the West Coast Native American. If that's offensive, sorry, but that's what I see.

Since the movie destroyed their fear-making mystery, and narrative invincibility, much as First Contact and Voyager did for Star Trek's Borg, if the story was to continue, I'd actually go ahead and explore Reaver Society on some level, obviously, it'd be utterly F'ed up from our perspective, but it would be functional. I think seeing the Reaver kids would be pretty mindblowing. They come out normal and pink, but grow up to be more and more reaver-ized.

Blue Sun Group and future villains

Honestly, the Blue Sun Corporation was set up pretty thoroughly, and with their two by two guys, you have a great face for them, and a perspective to open up more of the company's structure.

They could do a rival ship as a recurring enemy, they could bring out a new operative (perhaps from the Academy as suggested before and below), having YoSaffBridge return is a must (perhaps captaining the rival ship?),

River and The Academy

I think they need to keep the idea that breaking out of the Academy is hard as F and that prior to her escape, River had been the most promising project. However, I do like the idea of the next best finishing up and becoming a functioning agent/operative. The double-agent thing from earlier in the thread is nice.

And is it just me, or is River not actually a psychic, but simply has her senses rewired enough to be mind-bogglingly sensitive and intuitive due to her immense intelligence?

Another movie? Series?

Whenever Chuck gets canceled, I'm all for a new series. We need Jayne, especially with Wash, Book, and potentially Inara gone. Replacing them will be hard as heck, but it is possible. Theoretically. I'd even go for a spinoff series as long as it featured at least some characters from Firefly, such as YoSaffBridge, Jubal Early or somebody. As for a movie, I'd love to see one, anytime.

Favorite Ep

Objects in Space. Could Watch it all day. Honorable mention to War Stories, just for Mal's one liners.

[GhostPoet]

Wash was a favorite of mine...but they already have a replacement. River. She already showed at the end of the movie that she was no noob to piloting.

As for the Reavers, they are still a scary bunch, knowing their history just adds a new interesting layer...but I think it's time to add new villains.

[The Squirrel]

When did Inara die?

[PyroChamber]

When did Inara die?That's what I'd like to know, because that's news to me.

[GL1]

That's what I'd like to know, because that's news to me.

She didn't die, she's just dying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTxGOi9coWQ

This page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inara_Serra#Inara_Serra

quotes lines from the series where it was implied.

[Matt]

Wow, I didn't realize that. Would've been tragic. :(

[Soapy]

I love the concept of "space western". But Firefly...really beats you over the head with it. I don't like that at all.

"We're in a space western! See, we're in the future...BUT WE GOT HORSES!! SPACE WESTERN, YOU GET IT!? SPACE WESTERN!1! SPACE WESTERN!!1!1"

I just watched the pilot on Hulu, and I was just wondering do they ever get more nuanced with it or is it just going to be more shotguns and revolvers and cowboy hats and horses throughout the rest of the series?

[DarthRekal]

i love this show!

i love the redhead girl that duped Mal into marrying her.. shes now in MadMen.. shes UBEr hawt

[kguillou]

So, I'm a lotta years late to the party but i just watched the entire series (except Serenity) on Netflix last week and WOW, what a great show this was man. I admit, the pilot didnt really draw me in that much but i stuck with it and after episode 4, i was hooked. The characters, the emotional depth, the DIALOGUE were all incredibly exceptional. It really sucks that this show died so early.

Yet i can completely see how this show didnt survive at the same time. This is NOT a show to air on FOX. FOX is all about fast-paced, breakneck, violent action shows and scandalous dramas and thats not Firefly (not that there's anything wrong with that, i LOVE 24). I think the show would've definitely lasted at least 3 seasons on another network like Sy-Fy, or the CW. Oh well, just thought i'd give the thread a bump. Great show.

[flickchick85]

She didn't die, she's just dying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTxGOi9coWQ

This page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inara_Serra#Inara_Serra

quotes lines from the series where it was implied.
Whoa, that's the first I'm hearing of this, and my mind is kinda blown. MUST KNOW MORE.

I love the concept of "space western". But Firefly...really beats you over the head with it. I don't like that at all.

"We're in a space western! See, we're in the future...BUT WE GOT HORSES!! SPACE WESTERN, YOU GET IT!? SPACE WESTERN!1! SPACE WESTERN!!1!1"

I just watched the pilot on Hulu, and I was just wondering do they ever get more nuanced with it or is it just going to be more shotguns and revolvers and cowboy hats and horses throughout the rest of the series?
Well, the pilot is far from the best episode of the series, and while the show retains its very literal space western-ness throughout its run, it's when it delves deeper into the characters that it becomes something much greater than it might first appear on the surface. So while it doesn't exactly become more subtle on the "space western" front, it gets very nuanced in terms of character/story. I definitely recommend sticking with it, at least through episode 8, "Out of Gas." That's one of my favorite episodes of TV ever. If you don't love it by then, you never will. Though it's not like finishing whole series would be a much larger time investment, lol.