Real Life Batman

[LexCorp]

After seeing Batman Begins I felt that with the right training and modern equipment you could produce a real life Batman. Is this still a thing of fantasy or can there be a Batman in the real world today? What do you think?

[Shawn Wayne]

If you're over the age of 14, I'll refer you to a good doctor

[frodawgg]

^^^hahaha

[StorminNorman]

Its not out of the realm of possibilites, the only real downside would be the fact that crimes arent as easy to spot and find as they are in the Batworld - no Supervillians.

[zer00]

Ask Para when he returns.

[I Am The Knight]

I don't suppose it would actually work as we saw it in the movie...

[El Payaso]

Someone's thinking of exposing a spider to radiation?

[CConn]

Para!

Para!

Para!

Doxium!

[zer00]

Light the para signal!

[warren_sparta27]

it might work, your secret identity wouldn't be very secert for long though

[LexCorp]

I could not see this working either just a thought. Oh well back to my radioactive Spider experiments....:)

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think it could. It'd be like urban gureilla warfare.

The guy would have to have ton of stamina, and be as rich as Wayne....since NO powers= major disadvantage.....so he would need tons of equipment to make up for it.

And yes,.......without an armored suit he'd be dead in 5 minutes.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Are ninjas real? I mean......do they still exist?

[CConn]

No. But they did exist in feudal times.

[zer00]

People still practice Ninja...terms. But not as assassins.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Or........maybe they still exist, only they're so secretive......nobody really knows.....hmm?

[White_Howling]

If you're over the age of 14, I'll refer you to a good doctor


ouch thats just .. HARSH

[Bat Attack]

NO! I don't think it would work. If you don't get arrested by cops first, you'd probabley be killed somehow.

[Nightwing1977]

Nope. The chance of there ever being a real life Batman is as much as seeing Zorro & Dick Tracy be real. :p

[raybia]

After seeing Batman Begins I felt that with the right training and modern equipment you could produce a real life Batman. Is this still a thing of fantasy or can there be a Batman in the real world today? What do you think?


Yes, it possible.



But he would only last one night.

(If he was really good and had the financial resources he could probably last a week before the FBI would find out his identity and lock him up.

[BatScot]

No.

In Bat-World criminals may be a ‘superstitious and cowardly lot’, but in the real world only the truly deranged would mistake the ‘Bat-Man’ for anything other than some a-hole in a costume. The thing is—even if you were to accept the physical implausibility of such a character being able to function in the real world—a nocturnal vigilante dressed in a bat suit and strapped to some sort of glider is not and never will be an effective way of solving a crime or apprehending a criminal... not even remotely.

[Cobblepot]

We had this convers. a couple of times here.
It always leads to this answer.

Yes, it possible.
But he would only last one night.

[raybia]

No.

In Bat-World criminals may be a ‘superstitious and cowardly lot’, but in the real world only the truly deranged would mistake the ‘Bat-Man’ for anything other than some a-hole in a costume. The thing is—even if you were to accept the physical implausibility of such a character being able to function in the real world—a nocturnal vigilante dressed in a bat suit and strapped to some sort of glider is not and never will be an effective way of solving a crime or apprehending a criminal... not even remotely.


That is the reason why someone attempting this would only last one night.

Its not like there we have never had Vigilantes. Just no one who dressed up as a Bat to do it. Also taking a pledge to not kill would doom this type of undertaking.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

NO! I don't think it would work. If you don't get arrested by cops first, you'd probabley be killed somehow.


I dunno.......if your smart about it, the dude could make it.

Plus.....remember, Gotham is a corrupt city.....the cops NEED Batman. So, think about that.

Nope. The chance of there ever being a real life Batman is as much as seeing Zorro & Dick Tracy be real. :p


Well, don't you think that in the old times...there COULD have been a revolutionary vigilante like Zorro?? Not far fetched man.

Tracy.......meh........that's more SIN CITY-ish, isn't it?

Yes, it possible.



But he would only last one night.

(If he was really good and had the financial resources he could probably last a week before the FBI would find out his identity and lock him up.

Yeah....the FBI does a great job of ALWAYS getting they're man.............

I dunno, I think this is where the whole "Urban myth" thing would come into play.

No.

In Bat-World criminals may be a ‘superstitious and cowardly lot’, but in the real world only the truly deranged would mistake the ‘Bat-Man’ for anything other than some a-hole in a costume. The thing is—even if you were to accept the physical implausibility of such a character being able to function in the real world—a nocturnal vigilante dressed in a bat suit and strapped to some sort of glider is not and never will be an effective way of solving a crime or apprehending a criminal... not even remotely

Don't worry....I doubt anyone here is going to take this thread as an excuse to try it.

But......watch BEGINS.......the guy is flying around, hiding in the shadows. When people are scared.....they'll probably buy the creature myth.

People are pretty easy to scare if you do it the right way.......and I think we're looking at this topic in the "WHAT IF THERE WAS NO BATMAN CHARACTER" as well.

That is the reason why someone attempting this would only last one night.

Its not like there we have never had Vigilantes. Just no one who dressed up as a Bat to do it. Also taking a pledge to not kill would doom this type of undertaking.

I just think nobody's had right "stuff" for it........Batman is a unique character. Money, means, opportunity, motive, abilities, genes, intelligence........it'd be like the jackpot of the human race doing something as utterly insane.

[BatScot]

Don't worry....I doubt anyone here is going to take this thread as an excuse to try it.I'm not worried about that, I'm worried that someone will take this thread as an excuse to drag the discussion onto a second page ;)

[ChrisBaleBatman]

lmfao.......well, we can only hope that we can make it that far.

[Whack Arnolds]

I'm not worried about that, I'm worried that someone will take this thread as an excuse to drag the discussion onto a second page ;)Great post. And a rep.

[Katsuro]

If there was, he'd get bored as hell. No supervillains in real life! And even if there were, I doubt they'd be able to keep escaping mental insitutions!

[El Payaso]

At least so many times.

[batadz]

Vigilantes most of the time work for greenpeace and up getting busted for somthing which had little or no dramatic effect or mercenaries (not Solid Snake although is'nt he more realistic a batman)
Also I think it's mentioned somewhere that Bruce only gets about three hours sleep a night it is possible but how can anyone keep up there red hod maximum pace all the time and not drop dead?

Mabee there could be Batmans working shifts but if you dressed up as a six foot bat then people are just gonna say "Hey look theres a man dressed up as batman" oh and the cape would seriously get in the way! plus some one could strangle you or pull you to the floor

How many billionaires do you know that have trained for twenty odd years to fight and detect crime and spend money on rope guns (They do exist) and gas bombs, staying up in the pissdown rain all night.
instead of being billionarres getting drunk on beer women and drugs and dodging the taxman whilst riding in helicopters?

[The Question]

It is possible. Would it be easy? Hell no. But it could be done. But I must ask: Why the hell does everyone think someone doing this would be caught and/or killed on their first night? The police are not infalible. Some cat burgalers and serial killers have gone years, sometimes even decades without ever being caught. I don't see why a vigilante would be any different. If the vigilante were a complete imcopitant, then yes, he or she would probably be caught rather quickly. But if this vigilante was actually inteligent, he or she could go without being caught. People have said before "if this guy leaves even a drop of DNA evidence, he's as good as caught". Yeah. But the thing is, even if the vigilante leaves DNA evidence, the police would still need to match it to someone to catch the person. And unless the vigilante leaves even bigger clues, they wouldn;t have much to go on. I mean, how could the rout one vigilante out of an entire city full of people, many of whome probably having a similar mentality? Sure, if the toys are hella expensive, then that would be something to go on. But, unless the cops got a good look at the weapons, they wouldn;t know how expensive they were. And really, one could cover their tracks in that regard if they're smart enough.

As for the suit. Pretend you're a criminal. You're in a gang. You and your friends have just robbed a liquor store, and are making off with the goods. As you walk through a dark alleyway, one of your friends drops whatever he's holding, clutches his neck, and then falls to the ground. You all slowly walk over to him. Suddenly, you see something above you. A large black mass that's very dificult to make out in the dark decending upon you. You and yout comrands move to draw your guns, but suddenly small sharp black metalic objects shoot out from the mass and lodge in your hads, causing you to drop your guns in pain. The black mass lands on one of your friends, and then quickly dispatches with your other compatriots, moving quickly through the shadows and taking them out with one or two hits. And the most you can make out of this thing in the dark is a bat like outline with slightly glowing, silvery eyes. Now, would you be thinking "oh, it's just some ******* in a suit", or would you be scared ****less?

[superkong 500]

WEll I think it is almost but not completely impossible, the thing is that in real life someone sees a man dressed as a bat they would laugh and if he has high tech toys its obvious that it is a guy with a lot of money, so in real life everyone would know thta bruce wayne is batman is obvious just do a little research and oh his parents were murdered in a dark alley by some thug, he's a millionare, he has all the reason to be batman, oh and he tries hard to look like an irresponsible rich boy getting drunk, hmmm. he's batman, of course i nthe comics and movies works but that's the fantasy element of it, in the real world how would he jump from one cargo container to the next without making noise. I mean the echo alone would giveup his location, plus no one could move that fast as to be like a shadow, oh and once he drops on thugs they woudn't fight him with bats or fists, they would just shoot him, firepower from like ten guys at the same time, that's alot of fire power, in the medieval times this could have work for many resons. supertisions,no fire weapons, more places to hide probably the woods, but today in the modern time its almost impossible,but well if he has the money to find the means and if he had the training, but mos timportantly the determination, maybe he could pull it off for a month or so, but then he eventually would be caught by the police FBI or shotdown by a criminal.

[The Question]

The thing is, Batman and whatever real vigilante who would choose to do this wouldn't advertise their high tech arsenal. And you really don't understand the importance of psychological warfare. Since most of what Batman does is outside at night, it's doubtful that any details as to his apearance would be noticible enough to the people he's fighting. He's probably, to them, look like a big shadowing figure in a bat like shape. Especially if he were moving quickly enough. And I have to ask, how would the police catch him within a month?

[superkong 500]

The thing is, Batman and whatever real vigilante who would choose to do this wouldn't advertise their high tech arsenal. And you really don't understand the importance of psychological warfare. Since most of what Batman does is outside at night, it's doubtful that any details as to his apearance would be noticible enough to the people he's fighting. He's probably, to them, look like a big shadowing figure in a bat like shape. Especially if he were moving quickly enough. And I have to ask, how would the police catch him within a month?

Well I do understand the importance of phsychological warfare the thing is that i nreal life his shadow movements wouldn't be as fast as you think believe me everyone in the real world we live in knows that someone that does what he does has to have some weaponry to climb and do the things he does, they know that a real giant bat wouldn't exist, so maybe the first time he appears everyone would be caught offguard, but then they will be ready and waiting for him to take him down, in the movies the bad guys are onto their bussiness and never thinking that batman could drop in any time.

In real life they would take notice and put people on guard and o n strategic points to shot him down, its like james bond, i nthe movies he suceeds because the villains talk too much before killing him and that gives him time to prepare a strategy and escape, they're like oh mr. bond how bold you are to come here, soon we will achieve world domination and bla bla bla, in the meantime bond gets some gadget out of his sleave and cuts himself loose and kills the villain, same goes for bats in real life ducard/Ra's al ghul would have kill bruce and make sure he was dead in the mansion, instead of living him under that log, in real life when you wanna kill someone you don't hesitate you kill him and that's that, in movies villains lose alot of chances to kill the good guy.

In real life thugs won't come with chains and knifes they would use automatics and blow batman's brains out, its harsh but its the truth.

[Infinity9999x]

I think if a real person wanted to scare criminals, the guy would have to make a suit that made him look like a real life monster. Kind of the way I tried to describe batman in the Batman real life rpg. The suit would have to literaly scare the crap out of people. Of course it would also have to function as protection, and he'd still have to have all the training, and be a genius, and a world class athelete, and not get caught by the FBI. So no I don't think he'd last very long.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

People can be scared easily.......especially at night, and when they're nerves are on edge.

If the guy is smart enough to hide when he needs to...no reason for him to get shot that easily......which the armor is actually for.

Now, in the comics.....that's just ridiculous........the guy literally DODGES the bullets by standing there. That's not possible. But.....the way BEGINS did it, where you can't SEE him......that plausible. It's the only way he'd make it past the first night.

[The Question]

Well I do understand the importance of phsychological warfare the thing is that i nreal life his shadow movements wouldn't be as fast as you think believe me everyone in the real world we live in knows that someone that does what he does has to have some weaponry to climb and do the things he does, they know that a real giant bat wouldn't exist, so maybe the first time he appears everyone would be caught offguard, but then they will be ready and waiting for him to take him down, in the movies the bad guys are onto their bussiness and never thinking that batman could drop in any time.

Some people are gullible and stupid. And some people would quickly jump on the idea that there is a giant demonic bat flying around.

In real life they would take notice and put people on guard and o n strategic points to shot him down, its like james bond, i nthe movies he suceeds because the villains talk too much before killing him and that gives him time to prepare a strategy and escape, they're like oh mr. bond how bold you are to come here, soon we will achieve world domination and bla bla bla, in the meantime bond gets some gadget out of his sleave and cuts himself loose and kills the villain, same goes for bats in real life ducard/Ra's al ghul would have kill bruce and make sure he was dead in the mansion, instead of living him under that log, in real life when you wanna kill someone you don't hesitate you kill him and that's that, in movies villains lose alot of chances to kill the good guy.

So, you're saying that common street thugs would organize snipers to follow them everywhere they go? Are you serious? As for the killing the vigilante thing, of course they;d be trying to kill him. But that doesn't mean they'd succeed.

In real life thugs won't come with chains and knifes they would use automatics and blow batman's brains out, its harsh but its the truth.

Not everyone can get their hands on automatic weapons. And really, unless you;re well trained, it's actualkly very dificult to hit something with a gun, and even harder to hit a moving target wearing all black at night. Sure, it is a posibility that a vigilante could get shot and killed. But it's not like it would happen five minutes into it.

[LexCorp]

So not really possible to be a Batman in the real world but we have learned that at best we can scare the crap out of someone at night for a laugh.

[superkong 500]

Some people are gullible and stupid. And some people would quickly jump on the idea that there is a giant demonic bat flying around.



So, you're saying that common street thugs would organize snipers to follow them everywhere they go? Are you serious? As for the killing the vigilante thing, of course they;d be trying to kill him. But that doesn't mean they'd succeed.



Not everyone can get their hands on automatic weapons. And really, unless you;re well trained, it's actualkly very dificult to hit something with a gun, and even harder to hit a moving target wearing all black at night. Sure, it is a posibility that a vigilante could get shot and killed. But it's not like it would happen five minutes into it.

Okay lets put it this way I didn't say they would put snipers,but you don't need that to hit him, and about getting automatics, how much do you know about the streets, honestly with the right connections you can buy M-16's on the street so thugs and more so organized crime can get their hands on any of this weapons,and for example in the movie bats hide the tumbler(batmobile) on a dark aley or whatever, but in real life someone will find it, there's so many things that are taken for granted in the movies, you know why? because they are movies, and even Nolan himself said that this is a fantasy taken to a level of plausibility and realism, imagine batman gliding over the city it would take just one or two guys to take him down with machine guns,as much as someone like him could exist because he can he wouldn't last much, the only way he could is if he killed
and if he himself had machine guns and/or explosives and blowed up thugs.



Then he could last much more, but then he wouldn't be batman. as for hitting something in the dark ,well soon or later they would wait for him and set a trap, as he arrives they would turn on huge lights, and then he's dead, you know you are thinking maybe that someone could sneek on peopel like he did in the movie, but that's not true, ask yourself how did he jump from one container to the next in the docks? without being heard, thats movie magic. in real life there there's no such thing, you can be the greatest ninja but you wont survive with your fist alone.

Someone like the punisher has much more chance of making it than batman.

[The Question]

Okay lets put it this way I didn't say they would put snipers,but you don't need that to hit him, and about getting automatics, how much do you know about the streets, honestly with the right connections you can buy M-16's on the street so thugs and more so organized crime can get their hands on any of this weapons,

Fair point. What I'm saying is that not everyone's going to have M-16's, and most of them won't. Most would just ahve hand guns or knives.

and for example in the movie bats hide the tumbler(batmobile) on a dark aley or whatever, but in real life someone will find it,

So? I wasn't talking about that.

imagine batman gliding over the city it would take just one or two guys to take him down with machine guns,

And I wasn't talking about Batman glyding around.

as much as someone like him could exist because he can he wouldn't last much, the only way he could is if he killed
and if he himself had machine guns and/or explosives and blowed up thugs.

Not necesairily. Him actually trying to kill people wouldn't give him any better chance of survival, and would only get him in worse trouble with the police.

Then he could last much more, but then he wouldn't be batman. as for hitting something in the dark ,well soon or later they would wait for him and set a trap, as he arrives they would turn on huge lights, and then he's dead,

You do realize how bloody unlikely that is, right? How would they be able to tell what part of town he'd be in at any given time and set a trap like that? And how would they set a trap like that?

you know you are thinking maybe that someone could sneek on peopel like he did in the movie, but that's not true, ask yourself how did he jump from one container to the next in the docks? without being heard, thats movie magic.

And I wasn't talking about him jumping from container to container without making any noise.

in real life there there's no such thing, you can be the greatest ninja but you wont survive with your fist alone.

I still don't see how a vigilante would automatically be killed his first night out. I mean, really, why does everyone think that would happen? Sure, it would be a dangerous job, but they're just as likely to be succesful. It's as if everyone's assuming that the vigilante would be a complete dumbass, the cops on his case would be Sherlock Holmes, and the criminals he'd fight would be criminal masterminds.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Some people are gullible and stupid. And some people would quickly jump on the idea that there is a giant demonic bat flying around.


Yup. Stupidty is rampant in today's world......so, yeah.....people would buy into it. Other's, like people who've never seen "it" would be the skeptics.


So, you're saying that common street thugs would organize snipers to follow them everywhere they go? Are you serious? As for the killing the vigilante thing, of course they;d be trying to kill him. But that doesn't mean they'd succeed.



Plus.......who says street thugs even know HOW to shoot? How many criminals do you think has had ANY gun training to begin with? Most of them probably cock the gun to the side like on TV or BAD BOYS II (ugggg....) so most of them are probably crappy shots to begin with.

Not everyone can get their hands on automatic weapons. And really, unless you;re well trained, it's actualkly very dificult to hit something with a gun, and even harder to hit a moving target wearing all black at night. Sure, it is a posibility that a vigilante could get shot and killed. But it's not like it would happen five minutes into it.

Yeah, I agree. Moving targets can't be easy to hit.....especially when they blend into the background and you have no training. He MIGHT get hit, if he's not smart enough to hide when he needs to......but that's why he would have to wear armor.

So not really possible to be a Batman in the real world but we have learned that at best we can scare the crap out of someone at night for a laugh.

Well......if your not out to fight crime....I think the one scared to crap would the dude trying it. Gotta be ready for the gunshots....the dude can't be scared or HE'LL be the one getting laughed at.

But yeah.....it'd be pretty funny to see a bunch of theives scared to crap shooting into the air and darkness wetting they're pants.....if your not afraind of POSSIBLY being hit or killed.

Okay lets put it this way I didn't say they would put snipers,but you don't need that to hit him, and about getting automatics, how much do you know about the streets, honestly with the right connections you can buy M-16's on the street so thugs and more so organized crime can get their hands on any of this weapons,and for example in the movie bats hide the tumbler(batmobile) on a dark aley or whatever, but in real life someone will find it, there's so many things that are taken for granted in the movies, you know why? because they are movies, and even Nolan himself said that this is a fantasy taken to a level of plausibility and realism, imagine batman gliding over the city it would take just one or two guys to take him down with machine guns,as much as someone like him could exist because he can he wouldn't last much, the only way he could is if he killed
and if he himself had machine guns and/or explosives and blowed up thugs.



Well.....why would Batman glide ABOVE the villian???? At no point did he do that in the film.

If the guy is smart enough to strategize his attacks.....he could make it without having to use a gun. He'd have to be heavily trained, like Special Ops type training innon-lethal moves.....which we all know exists.

I do think your giving these no-names criminals on the streets way too much credit, though. They'd all wet they're pants if they saw a guy in a cape "flying" around like Bats was.

Then he could last much more, but then he wouldn't be batman. as for hitting something in the dark ,well soon or later they would wait for him and set a trap, as he arrives they would turn on huge lights, and then he's dead, you know you are thinking maybe that someone could sneek on peopel like he did in the movie, but that's not true, ask yourself how did he jump from one container to the next in the docks? without being heard, thats movie magic. in real life there there's no such thing, you can be the greatest ninja but you wont survive with your fist alone.


Well, he doesn't use his fists alone. Mind, surroundings......plus, Batarangs!


Someone like the punisher has much more chance of making it than batman

Nah........HE'D be killed on the first day, that guy is a nut case. He goes head on into stuff....a "cowboy". I'd bet a vigilante who uses the "cloak and dagger" method would make it through more nights than a "guns blazing cowboy".

Fair point. What I'm saying is that not everyone's going to have M-16's, and most of them won't. Most would just ahve hand guns or knives

Yeah, good point. The streets can be dangerous.....but by no means are they an "Army".

and for example in the movie bats hide the tumbler(batmobile) on a dark aley or whatever, but in real life someone will find it,


So.....they find it. What are they going to do?

And I wasn't talking about him jumping from container to container without making any noise.




Well, remember......in the film he uses an "Advanced Infantry" suit. So, it'd like a suit soliders would use when on foot....it's MEANT to be silent so they can sneak up on enimies. The boots, the suit.....it's meant and built to not make much to any noise. Landing on beams with it should make it sound less to nothing with the right gear, assuming he even was landing ontop of containers.

I still don't see how a vigilante would automatically be killed his first night out. I mean, really, why does everyone think that would happen? Sure, it would be a dangerous job, but they're just as likely to be succesful. It's as if everyone's assuming that the vigilante would be a complete dumbass, the cops on his case would be Sherlock Holmes, and the criminals he'd fight would be criminal masterminds.

Agreed.

Cops and criminals.......it would take quite a while for them to catch a guy as smart, resourceful, quick, rich and well geared as Bruce Wayne. A guy like Bruce, with the money....and everything is really the only way the vigilante angle could EVER work in real life. Average joe, with no money and no gear or armor.......yeah, he'd be dead in 10 seconds because he doesn't fit the needed requirements.

[The Question]

Well, even an average joe could pull it off if they're smart enough. Most serial killers worj out of their basements, but some never get caught, or only get caught several decades later. I don't see why it can't be the same for a vigilante.

[superkong 500]

Okay even if he existed he won't last too long, I'll keep on saying it, even if he's super extremly well trained he would be caught, I mean seriously guys even if you don't have an M-16 or a AKA-47 or other weapon he wouldn't be able to escape a lot of gunfire, maybe once or twice but eventually he would get killed, besides do you think he could swing from buildings like he does i nthe comics or in the movies? of course not,all of thses things he does are exagerated reality, accepted guys he could exist but he wouldn't suceed.

[BatScot]

lmfao.......well, we can only hope that we can make it that far.Too late :D

[The Question]

Okay even if he existed he won't last too long, I'll keep on saying it, even if he's super extremly well trained he would be caught, I mean seriously guys even if you don't have an M-16 or a AKA-47 or other weapon he wouldn't be able to escape a lot of gunfire, maybe once or twice but eventually he would get killed, besides do you think he could swing from buildings like he does i nthe comics or in the movies? of course not,all of thses things he does are exagerated reality, accepted guys he could exist but he wouldn't suceed.



Well, swinging Spider-Man style probably wouldn't happen, but using abgrappling hook to scale buildings, lower yourself to the ground, and swing across a large space is possible. I still don;t see why he would be caught imediately. And if he's wearing body armor, he'd probably survive.

[superkong 500]

Well, swinging Spider-Man style probably wouldn't happen, but using abgrappling hook to scale buildings, lower yourself to the ground, and swing across a large space is possible. I still don;t see why he would be caught imediately. And if he's wearing body armor, he'd probably survive.

You have a point about the swinging but the body armor is what's wrong, I don't know if it could be bullet proof and at the same time bend and be flexible, it could be of course but still,if he is tearing down the drug business crime lords will put a prize on his head and how long can he hide before being caught. and he wouldn't be able to do the things he does i nthe movies, for example how did he got falcone o nthe signal, and at the same time strap him to it, when he fought falcone's thugs why none of them had guns once he droped on them? in real life while he fights four of them a fifth one would take a gun and shot him where? in the face that's where, and even if it is in the body remember the suit isn't completely bullet proof at short range a bullet could go through it.

[The Question]

Fine. But I'm not talking about that scene from the movie. And if the mob put a price on his head, how the hell would they find him? They don't know who he is or where he lives. They could try and figure out his patrol rout, but if he's got any brains he'll have several routs which he'll pick at random each night. And, since we're saying what wouldn't work like it does in the movies, it's not like if a mob boss wants a guy dead, every nut job in the city will be after him. It dosn't work like that. The mob boss would use his own men to get the job done. And, if they have no way of finding the vigilante, they have no way of killing him. Cities are big places. How the hell do you think they'd find someone if they don't know his name, adress, or anything about him?

[SuBe]

Question? Why would supervillians stay in the same city if the Batman keeps Busting them up. Just Move!

[CConn]

Question? Why would supervillians stay in the same city if the Batman keeps Busting them up. Just Move!Because there's some hero in nearly every city that could kick their ass. :o

Or they could all be like the Joker and have a big man-crush on Batman. :o:o

[El Payaso]

Because there's some hero in nearly every city that could kick their ass. :o

Try Argentina. :o

[CConn]

Try Argentina. :oBah!

You have Patoruzú...

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/p/patoruzu1.jpg (http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/p/patoruzu.htm)

And Patoruzú shoots to kill.

[El Payaso]

HAHAH. Ok.

But I'm not argentinian.

Try Perú.

[CConn]

Oh, well then you're ****ed. :down

[El Payaso]

Not if I'm a super-villian in Perú.

[Super_Ludacris]

lol@ this thread giving people ideas

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Too late :D

Ya know....I think this thread has got the possibility of going a far distance.........muhahahaahahahahahahaha.......som eone is doing that laugh as I post this.

Well, swinging Spider-Man style probably wouldn't happen, but using abgrappling hook to scale buildings, lower yourself to the ground, and swing across a large space is possible. I still don;t see why he would be caught imediately. And if he's wearing body armor, he'd probably survive.

The glider thing is also a great explanation too. Makes sense, the way Nolan put it in the film.

Scaling buildings......yeah, it's done.

You have a point about the swinging but the body armor is what's wrong, I don't know if it could be bullet proof and at the same time bend and be flexible, it could be of course but still,if he is tearing down the drug business crime lords will put a prize on his head and how long can he hide before being caught. and he wouldn't be able to do the things he does i nthe movies, for example how did he got falcone o nthe signal, and at the same time strap him to it, when he fought falcone's thugs why none of them had guns once he droped on them? in real life while he fights four of them a fifth one would take a gun and shot him where? in the face that's where, and even if it is in the body remember the suit isn't completely bullet proof at short range a bullet could go through it.

Well, there could be some space age technologly out there.....or there will be eventually.

Hide? If he wears a mask, and as no "friends" in on it.......I don't think he'd be caught. Again, in Bruce's position.....it makes sense why he's not caught.

Some of them had guns. That's why he took out the ones that DID first.

The rest didn't- they were moving the loads of drugs from the trucks. He strapped in Falcone AFTER he had dispatched ALL the thugs.

At what point in that sequence should Batman had been shot in the face? They never had a clear shot at him! Which, is the ONLY way it would ever work. As for the armor not working in point blank range....well, wouldn't take explain why it's flexible? Which, is why he supposed to use the "cloak and dagger" attack.

Question? Why would supervillians stay in the same city if the Batman keeps Busting them up. Just Move!


It's free country......why shouldn't Batman move??

LOL........dude, I guess they've got pride issues. They want to beat him, but constantly lose. The Riddler, the Joker.......those dudes are in it JUST to beat Batman.

Not if I'm a super-villian in Perú.


Americans are stubborn.....we want to be Super-villianously-Evil in OUR country dammit. If we can't be Super-villinously-Evil in the US......then what has the world come to?

[El Payaso]

The glider thing is also a great explanation too. Makes sense, the way Nolan put it in the film.

Not much. The way Nolan put it - and having no attachment to Batman's feet, the glider-cape would choke Batman by the neck. Batman wouldn't be able to make his body close to the cape at all since he wouldn't ahve any support except for his arms and that wouldn't be enough.

That's why Batman uses a special device in comic books.

Anyway, I'm not saying at all Nolan screwed it up or anything. The way he did was godamn convinving about the glider, Tumbler and every Bat-gadget and I thank him for that. That's (one of) the magic on movies, being believable is not being 100% real.

we want to be Super-villianously-Evil in OUR country dammit.

The exact opposite my man:

http://www.utdallas.edu/~harpham/_borders/george%20bush.jpg

[Capt Throbberson]

No. But they did exist in feudal times.
That's exactly what the ninjas want you to think

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Exactly........freakin' Ninja Mind Tricks!!!!! Ninja Mind Freaks!!!!

[BatScot]

I think this thread has got the possibility of going a far distanceThen again, anything multiplied by zero equals zero ;)

[ChrisBaleBatman]

True old friend.........true.

[batadz]

right guys i'm not saying he could exist but your all gonna think im bonkers but i tried it once around my home town and it actually got in the local press (albeit a crappy little mention i wanted front page stuff) in a rubber mask you cant see properly or bend your neck and the cape does get in the bloody way but my main point is you cn't find crimes by going for a walk or standing on a multistory buildingv you just get cold and board like i did also most crimes don't happen at after two in the morning and batz is out all freakin night. what about the daytime? surley the supercrims would realize bats only comes out at night and just do crim stuff in the day.

But what i was supposed to be going on about is if batman existed then he isn't stupid hes a bloody genius! so have faith in our winged wonder call yourself fan boys!

[LexCorp]

Crimes are hard to find in real life. But doesn't Batman have a radio/police scanner? That helps him find criminals.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, plus the Bat Signal alerts him.......or the Bat Phone, depending on which one you prefer.

Also......Gotham isn't really like any city today. Gotham City is probably worse than New York was in the late 80's to early 90's.......Gotham isn't also as big as most cities either, so it's not as huge a load to carry as most might think it would be.

[LexCorp]

No place on Earth right now can come close to Gotham. Gotham is always in a bad state. So I guess crimes would be easy to find if we lived in a s**t hole like Gotham in real life. But if we had a real Gotham our police forces would be much tougher maybe removing the need for a Batman alltogether?

[The Question]

what about the daytime? surley the supercrims would realize bats only comes out at night and just do crim stuff in the day.

Except that during the day, the cops are in much higher numbers around town. That's why most crimes are commited after midnight.

Yeah, plus the Bat Signal alerts him.......or the Bat Phone, depending on which one you prefer.

Also......Gotham isn't really like any city today. Gotham City is probably worse than New York was in the late 80's to early 90's.......Gotham isn't also as big as most cities either, so it's not as huge a load to carry as most might think it would be.

Well, Gotham hasn't always been portrayed as the most crime ridden city in the world. And even if you had a normal city like New York, you'd have plenty of work to do. Muggings aren't exactly rare in the poorer sections of town, and there are always problems with gangs, drugs, and bigger mobs like the tongs or the yakuza. The kind of stuff that cops can't deal with because of all the red tape, but a vigilante could take care of easily. He'd be breaking a few laws while doing so, but since he;s not a cop any and all evidence would still be usable in court.

No place on Earth right now can come close to Gotham. Gotham is always in a bad state. So I guess crimes would be easy to find if we lived in a s**t hole like Gotham in real life. But if we had a real Gotham our police forces would be much tougher maybe removing the need for a Batman alltogether?

Not necesairily. The cops can't get much tougher without breaking the law themselves. And then you have the problem of police corruption. And that;s something a vigilante would also have to deal with.

[DeGenerate10]

they know that a real giant bat wouldn't exist,

Ever hear of the Mothman? The mothman had reportedly been seen dozens of times in Point Pleasant, West Virginia back in the 60's I believe. Everyone said they had seen a 8 foot moth in various locations. So don't say they wouldn't believe a real giant bat was around.

I'm sure some of the criminals would think that there was a real giant bat around the city. I mean look at the crop circles everyone believed that they were real but it turned out two men were actually doing them. And there were several copy cats who did them too. Everyone believed it was the aliens (It may have been aliens I'm not saying they did or didn't).

My point being, some people would believe that there was a 6 foot bat flying around. Maybe not all of them but a good number would.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

No place on Earth right now can come close to Gotham. Gotham is always in a bad state. So I guess crimes would be easy to find if we lived in a s**t hole like Gotham in real life. But if we had a real Gotham our police forces would be much tougher maybe removing the need for a Batman alltogether?


But.....corruption is one of the reasons why Gotham is so bad. It's one of the reason's New York was so bad for so long.

Except that during the day, the cops are in much higher numbers around town. That's why most crimes are commited after midnight.



Plus, less witnesses. Harder to see. The night is a great advantage for the "scary" people.

Well, Gotham hasn't always been portrayed as the most crime ridden city in the world. And even if you had a normal city like New York, you'd have plenty of work to do. Muggings aren't exactly rare in the poorer sections of town, and there are always problems with gangs, drugs, and bigger mobs like the tongs or the yakuza. The kind of stuff that cops can't deal with because of all the red tape, but a vigilante could take care of easily. He'd be breaking a few laws while doing so, but since he;s not a cop any and all evidence would still be usable in court.



Well, Gotham has been portrayed as a very badly crime ridden city......the thing is, it's not as large a city as New York......so, there's not AS MUCH ground to cover, which does make Batman's work easier and more plausible. I mean, if he had to fight crime in a city like New York, he'd have to choose certain areas to save- and others could go under in the process.

Although......the Narrows sounds like it suffered that.....

Not necesairily. The cops can't get much tougher without breaking the law themselves. And then you have the problem of police corruption. And that;s something a vigilante would also have to deal with.


It's actually alot more complicated I think....I mean, with all the corruption, the good cops would probably appreciate the extra hand. Then, there'd have to be the question as to HOW corrupt is the city really? Up to the Police Commishioner? To the Mayor? All that would really add to the said vigilante's plate.

Plus, how good are these cops? Are they nothing but high school drop outs that breezed through the crappy Academy the city would have?

Those could count.

Ever hear of the Mothman? The mothman had reportedly been seen dozens of times in Point Pleasant, West Virginia back in the 60's I believe. Everyone said they had seen a 8 foot moth in various locations. So don't say they wouldn't believe a real giant bat was around.

I'm sure some of the criminals would think that there was a real giant bat around the city. I mean look at the crop circles everyone believed that they were real but it turned out two men were actually doing them. And there were several copy cats who did them too. Everyone believed it was the aliens (It may have been aliens I'm not saying they did or didn't).

My point being, some people would believe that there was a 6 foot bat flying around. Maybe not all of them but a good number would.

True.

I think some of the posters here are looking at thise from the Outside-In. Try to think of this subject from the inside-out.

What if there were no Bob Kane and Bill Finger? What if the Batman comic had never been made? From there on......COULD a Batman exist? Would people buy into a "Giant Bat" haunting a city? Could One Man make a difference?

Interesting questions, I think.

[Shawn Wayne]

Ever hear of the Mothman? The mothman had reportedly been seen dozens of times in Point Pleasant, West Virginia back in the 60's I believe. Everyone said they had seen a 8 foot moth in various locations. So don't say they wouldn't believe a real giant bat was around.

I'm sure some of the criminals would think that there was a real giant bat around the city. I mean look at the crop circles everyone believed that they were real but it turned out two men were actually doing them. And there were several copy cats who did them too. Everyone believed it was the aliens (It may have been aliens I'm not saying they did or didn't).

My point being, some people would believe that there was a 6 foot bat flying around. Maybe not all of them but a good number would.

The Mothman stuff is fascinating, my uncle was in line to cross that bridge from the movie when it crashed for real

[DeGenerate10]

The Mothman stuff is fascinating, my uncle was in line to cross that bridge from the movie when it crashed for real

My dad was in line to cross the bridge also. My grandparents were waiting for the mail to run so they could get their check but the mail didn't run. If the mail ran on time my grandparents and my dad would have been on the bridge. And I wouldn't be posting here today.

[superkong 500]

Ever hear of the Mothman? The mothman had reportedly been seen dozens of times in Point Pleasant, West Virginia back in the 60's I believe. Everyone said they had seen a 8 foot moth in various locations. So don't say they wouldn't believe a real giant bat was around.

I'm sure some of the criminals would think that there was a real giant bat around the city. I mean look at the crop circles everyone believed that they were real but it turned out two men were actually doing them. And there were several copy cats who did them too. Everyone believed it was the aliens (It may have been aliens I'm not saying they did or didn't).

My point being, some people would believe that there was a 6 foot bat flying around. Maybe not all of them but a good number would.

Well I understand what you mean but that mothman stuff is just an urban legend,did he fought crime or twarted any roberys? I mean sure someone could believe that a giant bat would exist, but once someone's attacked by it they would know that he's no monster, if you know what I mean, plus like someone said before the cape alone would give batman some trouble in real life, and running around on that suit on rooftops its not as easy as seen in the movies. and again as someone said before, crimes do not appear just by waiting on a rooftop, batman hides i nthe shadows and stuff but once he's known in the city thugs and the mob would be much more careful and will know he's coming, and no matter how good he is they would shot him down eventually. when he moves(inthe movies) he's like a shadow, again in reality its not like that, plus to escape is not like he would just shot his grapnel hook and fly up.

for example in the dock scene he appears between two containers and the blond thug shots and then he says the (where are you line) and then bats is behind him in just like 8 seconds, how did he do that? oh its movie magic, no one can really do that unless he flies or something, oh and he had to shot his grapnel gun again and we never heard it, and we all know that a gas gun like that makes some noise.

[buggs0268]

Unless he was affiliated with a black ops operation, his secret identity would not be secret for too long. Unless he made components of the governments spying programs and could block them. Also, it would not be hard to put together who is Batman with the gear he has. Eventually someone would put two and two together in short order.

Not to mention the physicality of what happens. Look at how long it took to find out who the DC shooter was. And that was with no knowledge of who the guy was. With what Batman does, and acquires, it would be much easier.

[Shawn Wayne]

My dad was in line to cross the bridge also. My grandparents were waiting for the mail to run so they could get their check but the mail didn't run. If the mail ran on time my grandparents and my dad would have been on the bridge. And I wouldn't be posting here today.

SPOOKY. my ex's boyfriend swears that he and his sister saw a mothman jump out of a tree and stare and them when they were about 15. I still think he's a pussy

[LexCorp]

Is it fair to say that on some level even for just one night you could have a real Batman out there before he is found out and sent to jail.
Even if just for this one night he foils one mugging, freezes his butt off and is in the local papers the next day. Would that be worth it?

[Beelze]

Then he could last much more, but then he wouldn't be batman. as for hitting something in the dark ,well soon or later they would wait for him and set a trap, as he arrives they would turn on huge lights, and then he's dead, you know you are thinking maybe that someone could sneek on peopel like he did in the movie, but that's not true, ask yourself how did he jump from one container to the next in the docks? without being heard, thats movie magic. in real life there there's no such thing, you can be the greatest ninja but you wont survive with your fist alone.
I don't know why, but I got the idea that he had prepared the area for the fight by setting up wires that he would use to "fly" around. Check his movements in scene. He basically glides by. It might've been done that way to look cool of course - and the scene has of course been edited in a certain way to make it cool how he is able to move around so fast. He'd probably not be that fast, but surely he could sneak around if he knew the area.

Anyway, I believe someone like Batman could exist. He needs to meet some high requirements, but with determination and self-sacrifice one could achieve something similar to what Batman has achieved with his body (great physique, skilled in martial arts, etc.). You'd have to be more lucky when it comes to having the brains and a suitable background (wealth).

A lot of people say the FBI would do such a good job at catching him, but as has been pointed out, serial killers (who do not have Bruce's training and probably not his determination) can go uncatched for decades. He'd have to be careful when it comes to leaving evidence. He could accidentally lose equipment on the scene. That is why he must make sure that his equipment is untraceable, by modifying it, building it himself, or making sure that the records of it being made are gone. He could also leave behind DNA, but they'd still have to match it with Bruce Wayne's. Also, being in a suit, I'm not so sure he'd leave behind that much DNA (except for maybe blood, if he screws up and his suit doesn't soak it up.) Besides, why would the FBI prioritize Batman, who stops crime, and doesn't kill people? They've got serial killers and terrorists to catch.

What's really going to save Batman is his equipment.

He would need to have good surveillance tools. He'd need top-of-the-line spy equipment. He'd need things like night vision, heat vision, optical equipment for look around corners/under doors, and the like, tiny cameras that you can set up on the spot, tools for eavesdropping at great distances... Hell, there's even a way to look through walls. He'd use things like these to know where the enemy is, and to avoid getting caught in a trap, for example.

He'd also need tools to disorient others (via illusions and the like). An example could be little speakers that you can set up that make noises (to make people believe that you're in spot you're not in), etc. If he really wanted to stay hidden, he could try to use that "invisibility" technology that has been researched (basically, that which is behind you will be projected on the front of a suit you're wearing). There's also a way you can emit soundwaves that basically makes people feel nauseous.

He'd also need good tools for transportation. Grappling guns, rope guns, wires... The Batmobile (or Tumbler) would be useful, but I'm not so sure he could lose people chasing him as easily as he did in Begins. I'm thinking he barely managed to do that in the movie.

For the actual fighting, he would of course need good body armor. There are all sorts protective gear you could be wearing... kevlar and nomex, for example. The latter helps protect you against fire. Firemen use it - and the suit in Begins was some kind of nomex suit.

Since Batman doesn't kill people, he might want to use things that incapacitate them. I don't know if Batman's code against guns is for all guns. I mean, if it doesn't fire bullets that kill, shouldn't they be alright? What about tranquilizers? Hell, Batman could even use trapping nets (assuming he's got room on him to carry them around) to slow down the enemy.

There are a lot of more things out there that could help make Batman real.

All of these things would cost A LOT and one would have to train a lot with them to get proficient. Acquiring them without people knowing it would be difficult (unless you can actually make these things yourself). Cleaning up the scene afterwards (which you'd have to do with some of these gadgets) would take time, too. Not good if Batman doesn't get on good terms with the cops (which I'm sure he would, eventually) and they are on the way to the scene of the crime.

As a final note... Batman really shouldn't visit the Gotham City police department's rooftop that much. Some determined mob boss would probably hire a sniper now and then to take Batman out. And he can't make his relations to people like Jim Gordon known to others.

As for my answer to the poll:

"Yes", "Yes, in the near future"*, and, "Yes, in the past"**

*Of course, in the near future, criminals/cops/FBI could get a lot better equipment... making it harder even for someone who's got all the stuff I mentioned
**Imagine a horse-riding Batman in medieval times. It could work. ;)

[batadz]

So in other words:
exactly what usually happens in the comics?
Just because a scene isn't explained all the time does'nt mean the writers hav'nt thought about it and i think sometimes they do
if a batman did exist he'r have to be as good if not the same as the batman portrayed in the comics

[LexCorp]

So in other words:
exactly what usually happens in the comics?
Just because a scene isn't explained all the time does'nt mean the writers hav'nt thought about it and i think sometimes they do
if a batman did exist he'r have to be as good if not the same as the batman portrayed in the comics

Which I believe is possible if only for a short amount of time before his mortality catches up with him.

[chosen1]

spiderman batman superman got nothin on the FBI.

They would all get hunted down by them quickly.
not because they arent doing good. But because you cant have vigilantes on the streets it would cause problems in court cases.
People that commit crimes would take advantage of the fact if the law let people like this run around and clean things up.

[Beelze]

spiderman batman superman got nothin on the FBI.

They would all get hunted down by them quickly.
not because they arent doing good. But because you cant have vigilantes on the streets it would cause problems in court cases.
People that commit crimes would take advantage of the fact if the law let people like this run around and clean things up.
Yet, as has been pointed out a few times, criminals (serial killers, con artists, etc) have remained uncaught for many years in the real world, even with the FBI on their trail. The only example I can think of now is Frank Abagnale, who lasted 5 years as a con/fraud artist and impostor.

Without someone to actually catch the guys there might not be any court cases to speak of to begin with.

[LexCorp]

Yet, as has been pointed out a few times, criminals (serial killers, con artists, etc) have remained uncaught for many years in the real world, even with the FBI on their trail. The only example I can think of now is Frank Abagnale, who lasted 5 years as a con/fraud artist and impostor.

Without someone to actually catch the guys there might not be any court cases to speak of to begin with.

This could be where super villans come from if nobody else can catch him. Normal criminals who train to be better than average/as good as Batman to fight Batman.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

My dad was in line to cross the bridge also. My grandparents were waiting for the mail to run so they could get their check but the mail didn't run. If the mail ran on time my grandparents and my dad would have been on the bridge. And I wouldn't be posting here today.

I'm sorry......I'm actually not really aquainted with the Mothman Legend. Care to give a rookie some info?

for example in the dock scene he appears between two containers and the blond thug shots and then he says the (where are you line) and then bats is behind him in just like 8 seconds, how did he do that? oh its movie magic, no one can really do that unless he flies or something, oh and he had to shot his grapnel gun again and we never heard it, and we all know that a gas gun like that makes some noise.

Thing is, we don't really KNOW how he pulled it off. We're not supposed to know. We saw it all from the POV of the bad guys, and we SEE why these thugs THINK he really is a supernnatural being.....add to that they don't know anything about his gear......we're in that moment with them seeing what they see, some 'thing' that looks like a Bat flying around scaring the crap out of them.

Unless he was affiliated with a black ops operation, his secret identity would not be secret for too long. Unless he made components of the governments spying programs and could block them. Also, it would not be hard to put together who is Batman with the gear he has. Eventually someone would put two and two together in short order.


I think that's where the "Hell Hole" that Gotham is might play a role. Gotham is a crap city......so the whole "Batman" thing might be laughed at if there's no real shot of the Batman. Add to that, Batman isn't a National Threat.....I don't see why Gotham wouldn't want to handle it themselves.

Anyway, I believe someone like Batman could exist. He needs to meet some high requirements, but with determination and self-sacrifice one could achieve something similar to what Batman has achieved with his body (great physique, skilled in martial arts, etc.). You'd have to be more lucky when it comes to having the brains and a suitable background (wealth).


Yeah, essentially......he'd have to be a REAL life version of Bruce Wayne. The training, the drive, the resources, the Brains, the wealth.....it would all have to be pretty much like the comic/movie character for it to all come together and make logical sense. Highly unlikely.......but not impossible.

Beelze (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/member.php?u=33834), great points made.

Yet, as has been pointed out a few times, criminals (serial killers, con artists, etc) have remained uncaught for many years in the real world, even with the FBI on their trail. The only example I can think of now is Frank Abagnale, who lasted 5 years as a con/fraud artist and impostor.

Without someone to actually catch the guys there might not be any court cases to speak of to begin with. vbmenu_register("postmenu_8051078", true);

Plus.....who's to say this vigilante would even leave behind evidence? The most that would be left behind (if he's smart) are a bunch of batarangs....which can't be traced to ANYONE. The FBI can't just ASSUME and then go after.....especially a Man as rich as Wayne, his Billion-dollar laywers would destroy the Government through character defringement and tons of other technicalites.

[DeGenerate10]

I'm sorry......I'm actually not really aquainted with the Mothman Legend. Care to give a rookie some info?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothman

[The Question]

Well I understand what you mean but that mothman stuff is just an urban legend,did he fought crime or twarted any roberys? I mean sure someone could believe that a giant bat would exist, but once someone's attacked by it they would know that he's no monster, if you know what I mean, plus like someone said before the cape alone would give batman some trouble in real life, and running around on that suit on rooftops its not as easy as seen in the movies. and again as someone said before, crimes do not appear just by waiting on a rooftop, batman hides i nthe shadows and stuff but once he's known in the city thugs and the mob would be much more careful and will know he's coming, and no matter how good he is they would shot him down eventually. when he moves(inthe movies) he's like a shadow, again in reality its not like that, plus to escape is not like he would just shot his grapnel hook and fly up.

Why would they know when he's coming?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Whoa......that Mothman thing.....that's EXACTLY the way Batman would have to create his image to be like. Crazy, man. Thanks for the link.

[LexCorp]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothman

Awesome reference to the eyes in that "sighting".

[LexCorp]

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Meteor/3602/springy.html
Another account of "real batman" history........

[Beelze]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothman

Quote from that page:

"Batman Begins features a hallucination scene which depicts Batman as a Mothman-type creature, complete with wings and glowing eyes."

That's pretty cool. He does fit the description during the scene where he, after having saved Rachel and the boy, glides over the panicking people.

[LexCorp]

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1146588/photo_45.jpg (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_begins/gallery.php?page=46&size=lores&nopop=1)

If you could pull off a look like this in real life you would scare the crap out of a lot of unsuspecting citizens. Fear would run rife through the town.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

**** Yes............imagine seeing that image at night in some dark alley. I'd believe in anything at that point.

[El Payaso]

Except that a real life cape would have been impossible to stabilize just with the arms. The real life cape needed a big harness and ropes everywhere to work the way they did on the movie.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

What if it could stiffen like a glider?

[LexCorp]

What if it could stiffen like a glider?

That could work. What about the sonar that can bring the bats around him. Is that feasible?

[The Question]

Except that a real life cape would have been impossible to stabilize just with the arms. The real life cape needed a big harness and ropes everywhere to work the way they did on the movie.

Actually, if you made the cape with the proper metal frame, it could stifent like that.

That could work. What about the sonar that can bring the bats around him. Is that feasible?

Probably, but it would most likely take a much larger device than the one he used in the movie to have any kid of range.

[Ronny Shade]

Here's how I think Batman would work in real life:


There'd be a team of vigilantes (anywhere from 10 to 400 or so) all with bat-costumes. They would be "The Bat-Men." Some of them would be undercover in criminal organizations and many others would be the eyes and ears of the organization all over the city. They would probably report back to a leader who would organize the attacks.

Random 2nd degree back-alley crimes would not often be stopped, because there's no way to know these things are going to happen, but if a bat-man sees one in action (and the bat-men are everywhere in civvies) he'd (or she'd) have the training to stop it. Massive raids on mob drops or organized crime would involve more than one bat-man.


There's a similar type of thing in the end of DKR and in the beginning of DK2. Or like the league of shadows in Begins

[El Payaso]

Actually, if you made the cape with the proper metal frame, it could stifent like that.

Of course but
a real life cape would have been impossible to stabilize just with the arms.

The low extreme of the cape would not keep next to your body until you attach it to your feet or waist somehow.

[The Question]

The low extreme of the cape would not keep next to your body until you attach it to your feet or waist somehow.


What? You would be able to pull of the:



http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1146588/photo_45.jpg (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_begins/gallery.php?page=46&size=lores&nopop=1)

Effect with just your hands if the cape was properly designed. Metal frames that aree loose but lock together and stifen when you hold the cape properly. It could work.

[El Payaso]

http://www.tiramillas.net/antimuermo/aereos/aladelta/aladelta1.jpg

Convince a guy to use that attached to the neck and using just the hands, no harness.

[The Question]

......and who the hell's talking about a hang glyder? The cape obviously wouldn't work exactly like a hang glyder. Besides, why should it just tie around his neck? Clasps would make much more sense.

[El Payaso]

......and who the hell's talking about a hang glyder? The cape obviously wouldn't work exactly like a hang glyder. Besides, why should it just tie around his neck? Clasps would make much more sense.

And easier to get de-attached.

Hang glider are not just for fashion but for the basic safety. Bat-cape works under the same priciples. That's why he uses a hang glider in comics.

[thedarks0ldier]

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Meteor/3602/springy.html
Another account of "real batman" history........
is there anymore on our spring heeled jack character? any official reports, any more documents? I mean what you gave was good, but any other evidence?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Ya know, the cape isn't attached to his neck.

[The Question]

And easier to get de-attached.

Hang glider are not just for fashion but for the basic safety. Bat-cape works under the same priciples. That's why he uses a hang glider in comics.


Well, he wouldn't be glyding for long distances. More like slowling his decent when he jumps from smaller buildings and fire escapes. As for the clasps, yes, it would make it easyer to get de-attached. But you could make one that would hold sturdy enough and then de-attach when you pressed it correctly.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

We never actually see him detach it either. As far as we know, it's like that so he doesn't break his neck.

[lujho]

Ya know, the cape isn't attached to his neck.

Yes it is - for the intents and purposes of people arguing why it wouldn't work as a glider, it is. You could get picky and say it's attached at the collarbone area, you can say it's not tied *around* his neck, but really it's attached at his neck.

And more importantly, it's not attached anywhere else. There's just no way such a set-up would allow you to glide. The balance would be all wrong and more importantly the cape is just WAY too small to be of use as a glider OR parachute, It won't slow you down significantly or allow you to glide. It's a very small fraction of the size of a parachute or hang-glide - even the smallest size of hang-glider (which is onlyuseful for a very light person anyway, not a 200+ pound man in armour).

No, the cape-glider in Begins is 100% fantasy, pure and simple. It's not realistic *at all*, anyone who thinks it could be is deluded. Yes, in future you may be able to get a memory fabric that could stiffen - but it'll NEVER, EVER work as a glider as seen in the film. It's way too small, and the wrong configuration.

You ever see old silent footage of guys trying to fly or glide by strapping various contraptions (wings etc) to their backs? None of them flew or glided, and I'm sure a few of them died. That's what would happen with Batman the first time he tried it. At the very least he'd break some bones, assuming he didn't fall too far.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

But, it's not attached to his neck. It isn't wrapped around it or at all stuck on his neck. It's more, for all intensive purproses, more around his shoulders than his neck.

Btw, it is worth mentioning that the technolgy he uses in the film.....it's still being developed. It's not like it's something you can buy in the market store or anything......atleast not yet.

The cape is pretty long too. I mean, dragging on the floor long.

[The Question]

Yes it is - for the intents and purposes of people arguing why it wouldn't work as a glider, it is. You could get picky and say it's attached at the collarbone area, you can say it's not tied *around* his neck, but really it's attached at his neck.

Depends on how it's drawn or shown. In Begins, it isn't wrapped around the neck.

And more importantly, it's not attached anywhere else. There's just no way such a set-up would allow you to glide. The balance would be all wrong and more importantly the cape is just WAY too small to be of use as a glider OR parachute, It won't slow you down significantly or allow you to glide. It's a very small fraction of the size of a parachute or hang-glide - even the smallest size of hang-glider (which is onlyuseful for a very light person anyway, not a 200+ pound man in armour).

Who said anything about long distance glyding or parachuting from a plane? I'm talking about slowing your decend when you jump down from fire escapes or shorter buildings in cities.

No, the cape-glider in Begins is 100% fantasy, pure and simple. It's not realistic *at all*, anyone who thinks it could be is deluded. Yes, in future you may be able to get a memory fabric that could stiffen - but it'll NEVER, EVER work as a glider as seen in the film. It's way too small, and the wrong configuration.

In the movie, it streatched out. And like I said, I'm not tal;king about long distance glyiding. Just slowing you down enough to jump from heights that Batman would be jumping from in a city, and giving you enough lift to make large jumps.

You ever see old silent footage of guys trying to fly or glide by strapping various contraptions (wings etc) to their backs? None of them flew or glided, and I'm sure a few of them died. That's what would happen with Batman the first time he tried it. At the very least he'd break some bones, assuming he didn't fall too far.

I'm sure if it were properly made, it would slow them down enough to do what I'm talking about.

[batadz]

I think the cape i the right size, look at the photo some of you posted! Thats bigger than the picture of the hand glider so why not? And he only uses to jump of buildings and slow him down

I'snt there a shot of him practising with finger clasps in begins? Idon't know coz I just lent my dvd to a mate but I'm sure hes extending and folding them up, If he has this atached inside the cape at the point where his hands would be then he could just slip them through.

When I was filming beyond legend I put metal rods at the end of the cape and thre was a loop to hold it up at the right point, the cape it's self was made out of a double sheet attached to another single sheet so it was bloody massive, obviosly this was only for a visual shot but I' can see how a proper billionaire could make this cape idea work as a glider as a protype.

It even says in the film that they were too expensive for the military to buy so of cause with the right funding it could be feesable.

But you would have to have an atachment at the feet!

[lujho]

Depends on how it's drawn or shown. In Begins, it isn't wrapped around the neck.

I didn't say it was wrapped around, I said it wasn't. But it's attached more or less at the neck all the same, or the collarbone which is near enough. It's attached securely to the body armour but that's not the point - the point is that this is *completely* the wrong place for it to be attached at all for it to work as a glider.

Who said anything about long distance glyding or parachuting from a plane? I'm talking about slowing your decend when you jump down from fire escapes or shorter buildings in cities.

Fair enough. I was just thinking about it as its presented in Begins. Slowing the fall as a parachute only (no gliding) would have been far more believeable if that's what Begins had shown. Still, the cape's still got too small a sureface area and also the wrong shape to actually catch a decent abount of air.

I really don't think it's going to significantly slow anyone down to the point that it would make a difference whether you could land safely or not from a great height. As big as it appears in the movie, it's a fraction the size of a parachute or glider. No matter how much you might want Batman to be possible, you can't argue with physics.

Check out the calculator at the bottom of this page to see how huge a parachute would have to be to successfully slow a 100 kilogram man. Or, plug in various final speds and see how fast you'd hit the ground if you were wearing a cape the size of Batman's (and I'd be very generous if I said 6 square metres was as big as you could have the cape.

http://www.celtickane.com/rocketry/projecti/math.php

EVen if the cape was big enough, attaching it at the upper body would provide no stability. The entire weight of the human body needs to be suspended at some point below the canopy/wings and balanced precisely to remain stable.

Wish all you want, but it's just not possible. It's pure whimsy.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

What about the pockets underneath the cape? Don't they help create the stabilty needed?

Plus, dropping wouldn't really be a problem if you know when and where...he has to release the cape is all.

Either way though......the cape-glider is waaayyy more believable than having him toss a batarang attached to a cable and swinging around......lol.

[dr.strange]

lately,i ve been wishing we lived in a world with masked superheroes and mutants. maybe thats the next level of human development.

[LexCorp]

I didn't say it was wrapped around, I said it wasn't. But it's attached more or less at the neck all the same, or the collarbone which is near enough. It's attached securely to the body armour but that's not the point - the point is that this is *completely* the wrong place for it to be attached at all for it to work as a glider.



Fair enough. I was just thinking about it as its presented in Begins. Slowing the fall as a parachute only (no gliding) would have been far more believeable if that's what Begins had shown. Still, the cape's still got too small a sureface area and also the wrong shape to actually catch a decent abount of air.

I really don't think it's going to significantly slow anyone down to the point that it would make a difference whether you could land safely or not from a great height. As big as it appears in the movie, it's a fraction the size of a parachute or glider. No matter how much you might want Batman to be possible, you can't argue with physics.

Check out the calculator at the bottom of this page to see how huge a parachute would have to be to successfully slow a 100 kilogram man. Or, plug in various final speds and see how fast you'd hit the ground if you were wearing a cape the size of Batman's (and I'd be very generous if I said 6 square metres was as big as you could have the cape.

http://www.celtickane.com/rocketry/projecti/math.php

EVen if the cape was big enough, attaching it at the upper body would provide no stability. The entire weight of the human body needs to be suspended at some point below the canopy/wings and balanced precisely to remain stable.

Wish all you want, but it's just not possible. It's pure whimsy.


Only whimsy when we talk about just the cape. I mentioned only the sense of presence when I first posted that pic of the bat "wings" that started this little chat. He could still have a cape which very probably may cause more problems that it solves but keep it purely for presence. I still think given the right time, money etc it would be possible if only for a short period of time.

[lujho]

What about the pockets underneath the cape? Don't they help create the stabilty needed?

Maybe, but I think that due to Batman being attached to the cape at the front of it (rather than in the middle) he'd just cause the whole thing to tilt the wrong way and go into a nosedive. The whole configuration of a man atatched to some wings in that way is just the complete wrong shape. And like I said, I just don't think those pockets are catching nearly enough air to significantly slow you down anyway.

There was an episode of Mythbusters where they tried stuff like this - seeing how much you could slow your fall. They were trying to make parachutes out of plywood, but the fact is everything they cape up with had far too small a surface area and nowhere near enough stability. They just ended up going into death-spirals, with the poor crash-dummy ending up worse for it - the same would have happened with ultra-light memory fabric too.

Parachutes and hang-gliders are the size and shapes they are because that's what works. I found out that 70-something people have dies trying to use more wing-like configurations.

Try dropping an umbrella from a great height. Does it float down perfectly level? No, because the weight of the handle is distributed the wrong way, it's too high up. But if you converted it in to a parachute of some kind, with the handle hanging much lower from some cords, it will stay stable because the weight is distrubuted much lower, changing the centre of gravity.

Running and driving are the only truly believeable modes of transport for Batman, period. Those are the only things that would work in real life. If he wanted to fall a distance safely he'd need a real parachute, if he wanted to glide he'd need a hang-glider and if he wanted to get to the top of a building with a rope he'd have to climb it himself, not be reeled up by a tiny gun.

But there's nothing wrong with having the cloak to maintain a certain visual presence (and to help stay hidden) - it's just that it'd be 100% useless for any kind of travel - even a slowed fall.

Probably the best actual practical use for a cape like Batman's is as a long-range whipping weapon. Just weight the tips (maybe even put small blades there).

[LexCorp]

I don’t think he could have a real bat mobile either. Not one that stands out. It would be way to easy to track by the authorities and it would also be all over the news in seconds. He would need a normal looking car but have it full of gadgets like Bonds cars.

[The Question]

I didn't say it was wrapped around, I said it wasn't. But it's attached more or less at the neck all the same, or the collarbone which is near enough. It's attached securely to the body armour but that's not the point - the point is that this is *completely* the wrong place for it to be attached at all for it to work as a glider.



Fair enough. I was just thinking about it as its presented in Begins. Slowing the fall as a parachute only (no gliding) would have been far more believeable if that's what Begins had shown. Still, the cape's still got too small a sureface area and also the wrong shape to actually catch a decent abount of air.

I really don't think it's going to significantly slow anyone down to the point that it would make a difference whether you could land safely or not from a great height. As big as it appears in the movie, it's a fraction the size of a parachute or glider. No matter how much you might want Batman to be possible, you can't argue with physics.

Check out the calculator at the bottom of this page to see how huge a parachute would have to be to successfully slow a 100 kilogram man. Or, plug in various final speds and see how fast you'd hit the ground if you were wearing a cape the size of Batman's (and I'd be very generous if I said 6 square metres was as big as you could have the cape.

http://www.celtickane.com/rocketry/projecti/math.php

EVen if the cape was big enough, attaching it at the upper body would provide no stability. The entire weight of the human body needs to be suspended at some point below the canopy/wings and balanced precisely to remain stable.

Wish all you want, but it's just not possible. It's pure whimsy.


Yeah. And who said anything about falling from a great hight? I'm talking about jumping down from fire escapes and shorter buildings.

[The Question]

Running and driving are the only truly believeable modes of transport for Batman, period. Those are the only things that would work in real life. If he wanted to fall a distance safely he'd need a real parachute, if he wanted to glide he'd need a hang-glider and if he wanted to get to the top of a building with a rope he'd have to climb it himself, not be reeled up by a tiny gun.

Grappling guns to exist. They are larger than the one shown in the comics, and there's no way he could just hold onto it without dislocating his shoulder. But, if he atatched the reel to his belt, he could probably reel himself in and not simply clime up. The military has models that work on a similar principal right now.

[lujho]

Grappling guns to exist. They are larger than the one shown in the comics, and there's no way he could just hold onto it without dislocating his shoulder. But, if he atatched the reel to his belt, he could probably reel himself in and not simply clime up. The military has models that work on a similar principal right now.

But they'll never be small enough for one guy to easily hold and run around with. Computers can always be made smaller as technology advances, but something mechanical that has to have a certain amount of power can only ever be so big.

[El Payaso]

In no case is bigger than the hang glider. Why do you say that?

[batadz]

the desert eagle magnum is more powerfull than most rifles and its a hangun so I beleive you can have a grapple gun but you have (unfortunatly) convinced me about the cape

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, what if......and I believe BEGINS had this.....there is a certain more amount of weight (from the exo-skeleton) at the bottom side of the cape...so that, when made rigid....it would create a more balanced distribution throughout the cape. From his shoulders, down to the bottom of the cape.

Also, I think it's worth mentioning.......really, the only time I thought the cape-glider seemed to go beyond the realm of possibilty (and in no way did I hate it, I loved it) was at the end.....when he is really high up there in the air. Every other time throughout the film, I felt the cape was pretty believable.

I get what your saying about the landing......and I think we KINDA saw an example of that with how abrupt, violent and pretty crazy the glider was turned off when Batman met up with Ra's and his ninjas in the Narrows.

Btw, he does wear an armored suit.....and, in the realm of the Begins movie, it would protect him from a pretty good fall. Bruising would occur, for sure though.....

[krpton2]

Never..

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Probably not.....but, it's not impossible.

[El Payaso]

Every other time throughout the film, I felt the cape was pretty believable.

Very true.

That's because believable is not realistic necessarily.

That's why BB works. It's believable. The "realistic" thing is just a masturbatory word.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

lol........who the hell mas.......uhhh....forget it, never mind

Yeah, realistic is a pretty crazy word to try and use for films. Biographies are probably the only film to probably use that fairly.

Believable is the goal.

[The Question]

the desert eagle magnum is more powerfull than most rifles and its a hangun so I beleive you can have a grapple gun but you have (unfortunatly) convinced me about the cape


Well, I do agree that the cape would be more or less useless for great hights. Thing is, I was never talking about great heights. I was talking about jumping from short buildings in cities or a point in a fire escape that's somewhat low to the ground. In that situation, the cape plus whatever body armor the guy's probably wearing would offer suficient protection.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yup.

[LostSon88]

Does anyone have a link to that Forbes (?) article that breaksdown how much it would cost to be a real-life Batman? It was pretty interesting.

I think it went around 3 million a year to be Batman. :confused:

[thedarks0ldier]

and I'm sure a few of them died.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, that sucks, hey have you guys seen these http://www.bird-man.com/index.php

[Ronny Shade]

Hey you know that scene in Tomb Raider 2 when they jump off the roof and have those flying squirrel flaps to glide on?

Is that $#!t real?

[thedarks0ldier]

Hey you know that scene in Tomb Raider 2 when they jump off the roof and have those flying squirrel flaps to glide on?

Is that $#!t real?
Those are for reals,

[Ronny Shade]

well then that sorta thing could be used for the cape

[LexCorp]

Does any one think it's possible to even have a batmobile around in big city traffic?

[lujho]

well then that sorta thing could be used for the cape

How? That kind of thing slows you down compared to a freefall and gives a bit more control, but it's still way too fast to make a landing without a proper parachute. They were still falling really, really fast, and they'd never be able to land without a chute.

Here are a couple of articles about those wingsuits The second is a longer version of the first.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BFU/is_9_89/ai_111732927
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviationspace/c2cb5b4a1db84010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html

[thedarks0ldier]

15 years ago an idea like a winged suit was considered absolutely insane, and while you still cant land with one, it is a huge step in another direction. When technology and aviation and para physics evolves i am sure we will discover a way to accomplish what we are talking about.

There is always a way to do everything.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

3 Million a year to BE Batman?

Let's see.....he'd have to use ATLEAST 50 (maybe more like 100?) suits a year, fuel the Tumbler......hmm......now, with the comics......the suits wouldn't be a big deal, but the tons of vehicles....yeah......I'd say 3 Mil is about right.

[batadz]

well seing as bruce is a billionaire!!!!! he could afford it
Also he makes money all the time with wane industries and having that much in the bank would probly get 3 mill a year in intrest so this wouldn't even be noticed by him

[LexCorp]

well seing as bruce is a billionaire!!!!! he could afford it
Also he makes money all the time with wane industries and having that much in the bank would probly get 3 mill a year in intrest so this wouldn't even be noticed by him

Yeah sure the Batman in question would not miss the money but after a few years it becomes noticeable. Making him easy to track if needed or at best a suspicious person who spends a large amount on undisclosed stuff. It is not easy to cover 3 mil a year on secret wars against crime.

[batadz]

I meant bruce wouldn't notice it

[LexCorp]

I meant bruce wouldn't notice it

That's cool but I am talking about other people noticing.

[LostSon88]

Found it boys,

Enjoy.

http://www.forbes.com/business/2005/06/20/cx_de_batmanslide.html?thisSpeed=60000&boxes=custom

:)

[LexCorp]

That is intense stuff dude.

[batadz]

MINT
so i was right about the three mill and him being able to afford it
what if he had it all in an offshore bank account with another name?
what if bribed the bank manager to keep it shtum?

[The Question]

Here's the deal with the training:



30,000 to learn how to fight from some tibeten monks?



Waste of money.



What Batman would do best with is military hand to hand combat training. The stuff is very practical, and is designed to be able to be learned very quickly. He would learn basic grappling techniques, pressure points, and overall how to fight smart. That's what an urban vigilante would need. And it would not cost 30,000 dollars to learn.

[boywondernerdDC]

first batman does exist and 2nd i agree with the question 30,000 is a waste

[Super Flight]

what do you mean?....... I am Batman

[LostSon88]

first batman does exist and 2nd i agree with the question 30,000 is a waste

To us normal people, yes. For a billionaire however?

[The Kid]

I was reading about the bystander effect and honestly believe if there was one man running around in a costume fighting crime, nobody would give a ****.

[ultimatefan]

I´´ll put it this way. If a superhero could ever exist in the real world, it´d be Batman. Begins does a really good job, IMO, to show how you could get logic and emotionally believable explanations for all the major elements of the character: his motivations, his skills, his gadgets, etc. There are still significant problems, such as a police officer supporting a vigilante, which is an illegal activity, or how a single unarmed man can capture a dozen armed thugs at once, etc. The actual existence of the character would demand an incredible alignment of circumstances, such as the ones portrayed in the movie, animated series and various comics, and of course it would be an extra push to have all his villains exist as well, and in the same city, but there is enough suspension of disbelief in Batman for your inner child to believe that he COULD exist... and that he COULD be you... And that´s part of the reason why he´s such a popular character.

[The Question]

To us normal people, yes. For a billionaire however?


He wouldn't want to spend his entire fortune, would he? Military hand to hand combat training is very effective and far more practical. And it would not cost 30,000 dollars.

[The Question]

There are still significant problems, such as a police officer supporting a vigilante, which is an illegal activity,

Okay, here's something people say all the time. It's not exactly true. Being a vigilante, itself, is not illegal. However, many of the things that vigilantes tend to do are illegal. As in, The Punisher is an illegal vigilante due to his use of excesive and lethal force. Batman is an illegal vigilante because he engages in breaking and entering when gathering evidence, and has been known to torture, abuse, and otherwise harras suspects when looking for information. But, it is possible to be a legal vigilante. It just wouldn't be especially effective.

or how a single unarmed man can capture a dozen armed thugs at once, etc.

Actually, I've figured out how that could work. First of all, Batman is not unnarmed. He just doesn't have any guns. It could work if he did it like this:

First, he wears body armor. The suit should pverall be very protective, bulletproof in vital areas, and have head, knee, elbow, and crotch protection. He uses a large, metal staff, and has a taser straped to his right hand (or whatever hand he tends tp punch with). He drops some flashbangs, and then atacks the thugs while they are disoriented. WIth the taser, he can deliver one punch knock outs, or at least make it so they're so stunned they really can't atack. And being hit by a big metal stick really hurts.

[batadz]

are we trying to convince each other here? or ourselves? Because I'm not sure anymore

[Beelze]

Okay, here's something people say all the time. It's Actually, I've figured out how that could work. First of all, Batman is not unnarmed. He just doesn't have any guns. It could work if he did it like this:

First, he wears body armor. The suit should pverall be very protective, bulletproof in vital areas, and have head, knee, elbow, and crotch protection. He uses a large, metal staff, and has a taser straped to his right hand (or whatever hand he tends tp punch with). He drops some flashbangs, and then atacks the thugs while they are disoriented. WIth the taser, he can deliver one punch knock outs, or at least make it so they're so stunned they really can't atack. And being hit by a big metal stick really hurts.
Sounds good. There are many ways he could take out a group of thugs. I made a long post (several posts back) about different kinds of equipment that is or could be available (to someone as rich as Wayne, that is), but I think I completely forgot about flashbangs. I can see him using tear gas and smoke grenades as well.

[LexCorp]

Sounds good. There are many ways he could take out a group of thugs. I made a long post (several posts back) about different kinds of equipment that is or could be available (to someone as rich as Wayne, that is), but I think I completely forgot about flashbangs. I can see him using tear gas and smoke grenades as well.

No thug would have counter measures against that kind of stuff as well so it's within the realm of possibility

[ultimatefan]

Okay, here's something people say all the time. It's not exactly true. Being a vigilante, itself, is not illegal. However, many of the things that vigilantes tend to do are illegal. As in, The Punisher is an illegal vigilante due to his use of excesive and lethal force. Batman is an illegal vigilante because he engages in breaking and entering when gathering evidence, and has been known to torture, abuse, and otherwise harras suspects when looking for information. But, it is possible to be a legal vigilante. It just wouldn't be especially effective.



Actually, I've figured out how that could work. First of all, Batman is not unnarmed. He just doesn't have any guns. It could work if he did it like this:

First, he wears body armor. The suit should pverall be very protective, bulletproof in vital areas, and have head, knee, elbow, and crotch protection. He uses a large, metal staff, and has a taser straped to his right hand (or whatever hand he tends tp punch with). He drops some flashbangs, and then atacks the thugs while they are disoriented. WIth the taser, he can deliver one punch knock outs, or at least make it so they're so stunned they really can't atack. And being hit by a big metal stick really hurts.
Well, as you said yourself, Batman as he is remains illegal anyway.

Fighting a bunch of thugs alone is not impossible, of course, just quite difficult. We can say nothing about Batman is necessarily impossible, just demands a pretty big alignment of stars to happen all at once.

[The Question]

Well, as you said yourself, Batman as he is remains illegal anyway.

True.

Fighting a bunch of thugs alone is not impossible, of course, just quite difficult. We can say nothing about Batman is necessarily impossible, just demands a pretty big alignment of stars to happen all at once.

Well, I'd say the method I posted is quite sound. I mean, flashbangs really disprient peoplle. And with a taser, you'd be able to take them out very quickly.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, he didn't waste ANY money on his training......although, he did in the comics.

I dunno......in the movie, the only thing he really PAID for was the cowl and ears, like 10,000 worth. And that's a long term deal.......he'll never have to worry about a cowl and ear shortage for a couple years.

Fueling the Tumbler, although I think I read it take regular gasoline....since it's NOT a turbine engine.....so no jet fuel.

I dunno........would he really spend that MUCH money? He "borrowed" a few expensive stuff from his company.....but there's no real money trail there.

[ultimatefan]

Well, I'd say the method I posted is quite sound. I mean, flashbangs really disprient peoplle. And with a taser, you'd be able to take them out very quickly.

Fair enough.

[LexCorp]

Well, he didn't waste ANY money on his training......although, he did in the comics.

I dunno......in the movie, the only thing he really PAID for was the cowl and ears, like 10,000 worth. And that's a long term deal.......he'll never have to worry about a cowl and ear shortage for a couple years.

Fueling the Tumbler, although I think I read it take regular gasoline....since it's NOT a turbine engine.....so no jet fuel.

I dunno........would he really spend that MUCH money? He "borrowed" a few expensive stuff from his company.....but there's no real money trail there.

Regarding the Tumbler. I do not think that it could work in a compact town like Gotham. Just think of the collateral damage.

[Britboy]

I'm not sure if this has already been said but the most real life like of all 'superhero's' would have to be The Punisher......now that could be replicated...and even then he wouldn't last five minutes until he met someone a bit ruthless....but Batman?!

No chance.....he'd either get killed very quickly , arrested or exposed by the press....well in this country he would anyway.....

[LexCorp]

I'm not sure if this has already been said but the most real life like of all 'superhero's' would have to be The Punisher......now that could be replicated...and even then he wouldn't last five minutes until he met someone a bit ruthless....but Batman?!

No chance.....he'd either get killed very quickly , arrested or exposed by the press....well in this country he would anyway.....

Oh yeah, over here in England he would be gone in minutes. Batman in the country side and the batmobile gets clamped for parking in a disabled spot. lol............................

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Not really.....I mean, in terms of how crappy and grimmy Gotham is....there has to be some GREAT hiding spots for the Tumbler. Plus, it has a silent mode......so, it's not like it would be roaring through the entire city the whole time. Plus, who's to say he takes the Tumbler EVERY TIME. He could take an unmarked car sometimes....or maybe now he won't since he MIGHT be on terms with the GPD.

[ultimatefan]

I'm not sure if this has already been said but the most real life like of all 'superhero's' would have to be The Punisher......now that could be replicated...and even then he wouldn't last five minutes until he met someone a bit ruthless....but Batman?!

No chance.....he'd either get killed very quickly , arrested or exposed by the press....well in this country he would anyway.....

Well, the Punisher doesn´t even qualify as a superhero IMO. He´s a sociopathic vigilante, plain and simple.

[The Question]

I'm not sure if this has already been said but the most real life like of all 'superhero's' would have to be The Punisher......now that could be replicated...and even then he wouldn't last five minutes until he met someone a bit ruthless....but Batman?!

No chance.....he'd either get killed very quickly , arrested or exposed by the press....well in this country he would anyway.....


Why? Cops don't get killed very quickly. Serial killers, working out of their basement most of the time, can go years without getting caught or being exposed by the press. All it takes is enough wits about you.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yup.

Plus, Bruce has the resources to probably moniter the Police......plus, he has an inside man in Jim Gordon.....so, why would he get caught if he's got so much on his side?

[zer00]

...what has this turned into?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

A........(dum dum dummmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmm) debate....(gasp!)

[zer00]

....as I said before

Just ask para upon his return,

[ChrisBaleBatman]

No time, can't wait......we need to debate NOWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!

[The Question]

Yup.

Plus, Bruce has the resources to probably moniter the Police......plus, he has an inside man in Jim Gordon.....so, why would he get caught if he's got so much on his side?


Exactly. If crazy people working out of their basements, using household items, can kill people for years without getting caught, I don't see why a billionare with access to high tech military weapons would get caught on his first night out.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Makes sense to me.

Almost.....too much sense.......hmm......

I'm beginning to adopt certain attributes of the Question, now....no....not you ^...but THE Question. Im beginning to wonder if my 2 flavored Ice Cream does infact contain the said amount of flavors......

[The Question]

It happens. Still, I think a vigilante could work, billions or no. I mean, if a serial killer can use household items and work out of their basement, why not a vigilante? All it really takes is enough brains and enough common sense to pull it off. And enough books, of course. You need to read up on how to make a grappling gun from stuff you find in a junkyard. So, if you could do that, which I think you could, how could it be impossible to do if you had billions of dollars and a whole company at your disposal?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Plus, the communication devices he must have at his disposal. That frequency mic for example......that was ****ing awesome, so he should have some great police scanners.

Plus, there's Gordon........

[The Question]

That too. And really, if it's a corrupt enough city, one of the few honest cops might be willing to work with a vigilante to get things done.

[batadz]

Im starting to think a batman could exist more and more now but one thing you should member is dat (dont know where this is from but I quote)

"If there was a batman, why hide? what's the point in protecting people if they don't know your doing it?"
"I often wonder that myself....
but then I guess the answer is... I'm not doing it for them."

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Why hide??

Because he's human......hiding is what would, and does, give him that awe that really scares people.

[DeGenerate10]

"If there was a batman, why hide? what's the point in protecting people if they don't know your doing it?"

Why would it matter if they knew he was protecting them or not? If he was protecting them that's all that would matter.

[LostSon88]

By hiding, it adds more to his "Legend"...the fact that they can't tell whether or not its just a man, which is the point of dressing up like a bat in the first place.

Mind games...:cool:

[Horror Business]

a real life 'batman' would be murdered by the criminals he was trying to stop, the police or the government.

[ultimatefan]

I think in real life, theoretically, Batman´s most effective way to be supported would be as a detective consultant for the police - isn´t that how Monk works, for instance? He´d be fed evidence by Gordon and allowed to participate in interrogations, as long as he didn´t abuse prisoners - unless Gordon and the cops looked the other way, like we sometimes see in movies. There´s a cool Harlan Ellison story where Gordon alerts Batman that he can´t abuse physically or verbally a prisoner during interrogation. So all that he does is stand and stare at the guy for a terribly long time... and he ends up not standing it and cracking.

[The Question]

a real life 'batman' would be murdered by the criminals he was trying to stop, the police or the government.



Okay. Care to elaborate?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think in real life, theoretically, Batman´s most effective way to be supported would be as a detective consultant for the police - isn´t that how Monk works, for instance? He´d be fed evidence by Gordon and allowed to participate in interrogations, as long as he didn´t abuse prisoners - unless Gordon and the cops looked the other way, like we sometimes see in movies. There´s a cool Harlan Ellison story where Gordon alerts Batman that he can´t abuse physically or verbally a prisoner during interrogation. So all that he does is stand and stare at the guy for a terribly long time... and he ends up not standing it and cracking.


Well, really that's what he BECOMES in his later years.

The toughest times for him would be, should be...and probably were....his early years when he was very much an outlaw and had both criminals AND the police against him.

An inside man, in Jim Gordon, is really what makes the whole thing work because he's got a head's up AND he's got a friend that eventually gains power in the police force.

[LexCorp]

Well, really that's what he BECOMES in his later years.

The toughest times for him would be, should be...and probably were....his early years when he was very much an outlaw and had both criminals AND the police against him.

An inside man, in Jim Gordon, is really what makes the whole thing work because he's got a head's up AND he's got a friend that eventually gains power in the police force.

The whole thing would work if we assume that our real life Batman can last that long in the first place to gain such a status......which I belive is possible of course. However there is always a chance he could falter on his just first week out on the streets.

[Ronny Shade]

I think that real life Batman would have to be a ringleader of a vigiante gang. but I said that already.

[Beelze]

Okay. Care to elaborate?
It's really boring when guys just drop in to say something to the effect of "he'd fail immediately, just-because". At least attack some of our points and state why they don't, or couldn't, hold up.

[mcflytrap]

I think it's possible...

1) You'd have to be really really rich.

2) You'd have to have extensive military and police training.

3) You'd have to be one tough mother ****er.

[LexCorp]

I think that real life Batman would have to be a ringleader of a vigiante gang. but I said that already.

You mean recruit a few more members like .......Robin and Batgirl hehe. This may get me in trouble I think the real life batman would have a hard time doing this. Batgirl would not last a minute....

[Ronny Shade]

You mean recruit a few more members like .......Robin and Batgirl hehe. This may get me in trouble I think the real life batman would have a hard time doing this. Batgirl would not last a minute....
with her comic origins no she couldn't. Well Barb at least. Batgirl 2 would be fine.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

The whole thing would work if we assume that our real life Batman can last that long in the first place to gain such a status......which I belive is possible of course. However there is always a chance he could falter on his just first week out on the streets.

Of course, that's why it so unlikely.

But, to say it's not even plausible.....well, that's not true.

I think it's possible...

1) You'd have to be really really rich.

2) You'd have to have extensive military and police training.

3) You'd have to be one tough mother ****er.


Hell yeah.

You mean recruit a few more members like .......Robin and Batgirl hehe. This may get me in trouble I think the real life batman would have a hard time doing this. Batgirl would not last a minute....


The reast are not plausible, I think. Having a bunch of kids running around in costumes.....a real Batman wouldn't put kids in danger like that.

Cassie, yeah.....her origin defintely leaves the rest as possible.

[ultimatefan]

One aspect of Batman that would be very questioned in real life is his knack for abusing and torturing criminals to get information. It´s not just the whole human rights thing, but also the fact that torture is actually not considered a very efficient interrogation technique. People will say anything and confess anything to avoid abuse and torture. Of course Batman does his homework and knows when the criminal might have the information he needs or when he´s lying. Let´s face it, being in an interrogatory, no matter how controlled it might be, is always something of a torture for the one being questioned... Ironic enough, government seems to be on Batman´s side these days on the counterterrorism field...

[LexCorp]

One aspect of Batman that would be very questioned in real life is his knack for abusing and torturing criminals to get information. It´s not just the whole human rights thing, but also the fact that torture is actually not considered a very efficient interrogation technique. People will say anything and confess anything to avoid abuse and torture. Of course Batman does his homework and knows when the criminal might have the information he needs or when he´s lying. Let´s face it, being in an interrogatory, no matter how controlled it might be, is always something of a torture for the one being questioned... Ironic enough, government seems to be on Batman´s side these days on the counterterrorism field...

So far I belive everyone has covered the basic physical needs to be a Batman, but you raise an interesting point about this Batmans mental state. Could a regular guy train to be "OK" with dealing punishment and torture. Almost collecting a self absorbed, self righteous God like ego. Would our real life Batman go crazy?

[Ronny Shade]

So far I belive everyone has covered the basic physical needs to be a Batman, but you raise an interesting point about this Batmans mental state. Could a regular guy train to be "OK" with dealing punishment and torture. Almost collecting a self absorbed, self righteous God like ego. Would our real life Batman go crazy?
Yes I think a real life Batman would go crazy.


But you know what? fictional Batman is crazy. So there you have it.

[Beelze]

But you know what? fictional Batman is crazy. So there you have it.
What indicates Batman being crazy? His obsession could be viewed as devotion. Maybe he's crazy in the sense that his self-preservance isn't flicked on, since he's constantly putting himself in danger, but that could be viewed as selflessness. Seems a lot of good traits will label a person crazy.

Now, Bruce knows what he is doing, he's not schizophrenic, and he doesn't hear voices, or anything. He is just extraordinarily dedicated to bringing about a certain in - a noble one at that.

I don't think he's crazy, in the real definition of the word anyway. Batman's an act, an idea, a tool. Bruce knows this, and he knows he is different, but he maintains himself well.

[El Payaso]

What indicates Batman being crazy? His obsession could be viewed as devotion. Maybe he's crazy in the sense that his self-preservance isn't flicked on, since he's constantly putting himself in danger, but that could be viewed as selflessness. Seems a lot of good traits will label a person crazy.

Now, Bruce knows what he is doing, he's not schizophrenic, and he doesn't hear voices, or anything. He is just extraordinarily dedicated to bringing about a certain in - a noble one at that.

I don't think he's crazy, in the real definition of the word anyway. Batman's an act, an idea, a tool. Bruce knows this, and he knows he is different, but he maintains himself well.

He dresses up as a bat, dude. cuckoo.

[Ronny Shade]

Anybody who goes out obsessively dressed as a bat and assaults people on a nightly bases isnt exactly mentally stable.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I don't think he is exactly crazy.....but, he's obviously not ALL there. There is some kind of screw loose, but he uses it in the RIGHT way.

Batman doesn't really torture bad guys, the Punisher does that.

Batman merely scares the crap out of them.....he might push it to the limits sometimes, but he never really tortures people for information. He....interrogates them. While, Castle might cut some guy's arm off for info.

[Mr. Socko]

Could it work? Very much yes, most of the technology exists.

Would it work? No. Seriously, if someone really dresses up like Batman looking for evil-doers, criminals would be laughing so hard. "hey look at the moron in the Batman suit." The main problem is that you wouldn't be taken seriously. And that you're only one man. If you were Batman in New York, you'd only be able to stop so many robberies, etc. You really wouldn't make that much of a difference, maybe a little, but thats all. Then there is the Police Department. Do you think they would really take your Bat-signal and use it? They'd think you're some crackpot hackjob who needs mental help.

[Katsuro]

Could it work? Very much yes, most of the technology exists.

Would it work? No. Seriously, if someone really dresses up like Batman looking for evil-doers, criminals would be laughing so hard. "hey look at the moron in the Batman suit." The main problem is that you wouldn't be taken seriously. And that you're only one man. If you were Batman in New York, you'd only be able to stop so many robberies, etc. You really wouldn't make that much of a difference, maybe a little, but thats all. Then there is the Police Department. Do you think they would really take your Bat-signal and use it? They'd think you're some crackpot hackjob who needs mental help.

That all depends if we're including the existance of the comic. Are we asking if a person could dress up as Batman and fight crime, with the comic existing at the same time. Or are we being hypothetical and pretending the comic was never written? If it's the first case, he wouldn't last long at all. No one would be scared. However, if word spread throught the criminal underground that there was some giant bat-man beating up criminals, people would be scared. If he kept in the shadows, and kept people wondering whether he were human or not, he'd have the element of fear to his advantage.

As for how long he'd survive, i'm not gonna be simple minded and just say "he'd be killed first day, without a doubt" like some people do. He might live past his first night, he might live for a few weeks, or months. but he wouldn't last as long as Batman has. Think about all the times Batman has fallen into traps only to be saved by unexpected circumstances. Someone comes and saves him last minute or something. In the real world, that doens't happen. He'd eventually be killed or discovered, and there'd be no retcons or rewrites to undo it.

[LexCorp]

That all depends if we're including the existance of the comic. Are we asking if a person could dress up as Batman and fight crime, with the comic existing at the same time. Or are we being hypothetical and pretending the comic was never written? If it's the first case, he wouldn't last long at all. No one would be scared. However, if word spread throught the criminal underground that there was some giant bat-man beating up criminals, people would be scared. If he kept in the shadows, and kept people wondering whether he were human or not, he'd have the element of fear to his advantage.

As for how long he'd survive, i'm not gonna be simple minded and just say "he'd be killed first day, without a doubt" like some people do. He might live past his first night, he might live for a few weeks, or months. but he wouldn't last as long as Batman has. Think about all the times Batman has fallen into traps only to be saved by unexpected circumstances. Someone comes and saves him last minute or something. In the real world, that doens't happen. He'd eventually be killed or discovered, and there'd be no retcons or rewrites to undo it.

I would like to think that criminals would be scared when his "reputation" starts to spread. Maybe a main Batman can control a group of Batmans. This would make the legend spread far and wide. Also makes Batman more of a force. If one dies another could take his place.

[DeGenerate10]

I would like to think that criminals would be scared when his "reputation" starts to spread. Maybe a main Batman can control a group of Batmans. This would make the legend spread far and wide. Also makes Batman more of a force. If one dies another could take his place.

Or the group of Batmen could work on shifts so that way its possible to take out more criminals. Or maybe having all the Batmen go out on the same nights causing there to be more Bat sightings then that would make him much scarier to the criminals.

[LexCorp]

Or the group of Batmen could work on shifts so that way its possible to take out more criminals. Or maybe having all the Batmen go out on the same nights causing there to be more Bat sightings then that would make him much scarier to the criminals.

Exactly........:up:

[mano012sg]

Or........maybe they still exist, only they're so secretive......nobody really knows.....hmm?

haha see....even real life secret agents are cloaked in secrecy....who will suspect bruce wayne?

except that you need a really trust worthy friend or be an engineer yourself. Ok maybe with the police and army...he'll be attemted to be tracked down. but who knows when he appears? after a short time, he'll be seen as a hero but a helpful pest....much later he'll be the legend he is...coz he takes on big cases single handed ly.

[Ronny Shade]

Thats basically what I said in this post a few pages back :up:

Here's how I think Batman would work in real life:


There'd be a team of vigilantes (anywhere from 10 to 400 or so) all with bat-costumes. They would be "The Bat-Men." Some of them would be undercover in criminal organizations and many others would be the eyes and ears of the organization all over the city. They would probably report back to a leader who would organize the attacks.

Random 2nd degree back-alley crimes would not often be stopped, because there's no way to know these things are going to happen, but if a bat-man sees one in action (and the bat-men are everywhere in civvies) he'd (or she'd) have the training to stop it. Massive raids on mob drops or organized crime would involve more than one bat-man.


There's a similar type of thing in the end of DKR and in the beginning of DK2. Or like the league of shadows in Begins

[mano012sg]

WEll I think it is almost but not completely impossible, the thing is that in real life someone sees a man dressed as a bat they would laugh and if he has high tech toys its obvious that it is a guy with a lot of money, so in real life everyone would know thta bruce wayne is batman is obvious just do a little research and oh his parents were murdered in a dark alley by some thug, he's a millionare, he has all the reason to be batman, oh and he tries hard to look like an irresponsible rich boy getting drunk, hmmm. he's batman, of course i nthe comics and movies works but that's the fantasy element of it, in the real world how would he jump from one cargo container to the next without making noise. I mean the echo alone would giveup his location, plus no one could move that fast as to be like a shadow, oh and once he drops on thugs they woudn't fight him with bats or fists, they would just shoot him, firepower from like ten guys at the same time, that's alot of fire power, in the medieval times this could have work for many resons. supertisions,no fire weapons, more places to hide probably the woods, but today in the modern time its almost impossible,but well if he has the money to find the means and if he had the training, but mos timportantly the determination, maybe he could pull it off for a month or so, but then he eventually would be caught by the police FBI or shotdown by a criminal.

First, I don't think anyone will laugh. coz...you see a big figure with pointed ears--you start wondering animal or man. next...he's all black, large and you son't realise he's actually a man until half your comrades are taken out. when you realise this you begin to take him seriously (even if you've seen batman all your life) coz you are on the receiving end paying for what crime you're doing....from this masked god knows who, who is really leaving you to be picked upon. in a dark alley...its scary.

Second, a criminal is brash in performance. The batman is not against the law. so he keeps out of the law not to run from them, but to facilitate their work. they'll realise that he's out to help. they wouldn't like it, yet all they need is a surprise to take their attention off, and bats is gone. not easy to catch+he's helping, not a criminal--and is successful. Batman is not a fool to not know hiis limitations...but in manipulating them he becomes much more than his limitations. he wouldnt be caught in a ten men gunfight outright.

third FBI and CIA would try to hunt for him....except that there'll be no reason except "cause he seems to be helping us". besides, batman is gonna use timings well....they spot him on the roof. go after who? bats or the criminals? they track him down...probably bug his batmobile or cape....very possible....except arrest him on what? "proven aid and obstruction to police duty to helping them catch criminals"?

I mean...hey good samaritans get awards...bats doesnt interfere in police work technically. he sort of backs them up. he's the capability. they'd want him on the force...but can't and shouldn't nail him. hence they will let him go......until he gains such immense respect and admiration...that he's loved as a legend.

[LexCorp]

I would not laugh if a Batman was doing this to me!
http://www.batman-on-film.com/bbimages/bbbatman2.jpg
Or lurking around a corner like this!
http://www.devir.com.br/zero_2004/batman_begin3.jpg

[mano012sg]

Some people are gullible and stupid. And some people would quickly jump on the idea that there is a giant demonic bat flying around.



So, you're saying that common street thugs would organize snipers to follow them everywhere they go? Are you serious? As for the killing the vigilante thing, of course they;d be trying to kill him. But that doesn't mean they'd succeed.



Not everyone can get their hands on automatic weapons. And really, unless you;re well trained, it's actualkly very dificult to hit something with a gun, and even harder to hit a moving target wearing all black at night. Sure, it is a posibility that a vigilante could get shot and killed. But it's not like it would happen five minutes into it.

i agree. oh and also btw...it's possible to dodge or deflect a few (not a whole lot) gunshots if you've the timing and angles right. true but martial artsy stuff and a lots of clarity and timing are needed to pull it off. where the target would either disappear (ninja or armoured bats) or go btw to knock the guys out. mind you on something, the more rapid fire the shooter goes...the more unsteady he is. if the line of fire can be avioded (with armour) at least bat's can get close enough to knock him out. then its easy...to take out at least 4 guys with hand guns (if you're as armoured as bats &) if you're really sharp fit and well trained. it takes a LOTS LOTS LOTS of nerve and guts ...in a self-defence situation. but defiitely not recommended.

hence as a side note: martial arts are not used with such weapons, special forces are more technology than martial arts...its ironic...but these guys will get killed if they based on just unarmed combat. yet say a powerful shaolin monk could fend off at least 4 armed (hand guns) if he had a staff.

Is bats then better than a shaolin monk? NO. but his situation and combination of training and neccessity would push him that way for the moments he needs to finish that fight. in case things don't go right...that's why the armour...to buy him time.

[Ronny Shade]

Is bats then better than a shaolin monk? NO. but his situation and combination of training and neccessity would push him that way for the moments he needs to finish that fight. in case things don't go right...that's why the armour...to buy him time.
Comic bats has mastery over Shaolin Kung FU as well as 26 other martial disciplines.

[mano012sg]

Okay even if he existed he won't last too long, I'll keep on saying it, even if he's super extremly well trained he would be caught, I mean seriously guys even if you don't have an M-16 or a AKA-47 or other weapon he wouldn't be able to escape a lot of gunfire, maybe once or twice but eventually he would get killed, besides do you think he could swing from buildings like he does i nthe comics or in the movies? of course not,all of thses things he does are exagerated reality, accepted guys he could exist but he wouldn't suceed.

provided he's stupid enough to dive into oncoming gunfire. even armour is limited in bullet proofing btw.

[Ronny Shade]

Not everyone can get their hands on automatic weapons. And really, unless you;re well trained, it's actualkly very dificult to hit something with a gun, and even harder to hit a moving target wearing all black at night. Sure, it is a posibility that a vigilante could get shot and killed. But it's not like it would happen five minutes into it.

Frequent arcade-style shooting games (ones where you're actually holding a gun, like Area 51 or House of the Dead) can actually train you to be a decent marksman even under pressure.

[LexCorp]

Frequent arcade-style shooting games (ones where you're actually holding a gun, like Area 51 or House of the Dead) can actually train you to be a decent marksman even under pressure.

Consider me well trained then. :up:

[Ronny Shade]

remind me never to gunfight you. I play platformers mostly.

[The Question]

Frequent arcade-style shooting games (ones where you're actually holding a gun, like Area 51 or House of the Dead) can actually train you to be a decent marksman even under pressure.


They can help with your aim, but you still wouldn't necesairily be a good marksman. The games don't simulate the recoil, which can throw you off alot if you're not properly trained.

[LexCorp]

remind me never to gunfight you. I play platformers mostly.

lol.

You make a good point also. Any knuckle dragger can learn basic fighting skills not that Bats would use a gun....

[Ronny Shade]

They can help with your aim, but you still wouldn't necesairily be a good marksman. The games don't simulate the recoil, which can throw you off alot if you're not properly trained.
depends what gun you're using. but yeah...and I said "decent" marksman...you're not gonna be Annie Oakley

[The Question]

And even if it does make you decent, unless your highly trained, it isn't likely that you're going to hit a moving target that's wearing all black at night.

[Ronny Shade]

And even if it does make you decent, unless your highly trained, it isn't likely that you're going to hit a moving target that's wearing all black at night.
also true. especially one who is master of ninjitsu invisibility and 26 other martial disciplines.:o

[The Question]

Okay, that's taking it a bit far. Still, if you're wearing all black, at night, in a dark alley, wearing kevlar body armor, and you're trained to be good at stealth, you're probably not going to be hit.

[Ronny Shade]

xactly

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Batman could work.....highly unlikely. But, hey.....me getting hit by a truck is highly unlikely.

Atleast....I'd like to think so........

[LexCorp]

Batman could work.....highly unlikely. But, hey.....me getting hit by a truck is highly unlikely.

Atleast....I'd like to think so........

Well I hope that you do not get hit by traffic any time soon.

Here's a question - could the villains’ existence in reality be easier than Batman? I mean just look at the Joker. Crazy guy....weird face....killer....I think it is even more possible to have a real life villain walking around from Bats rouge collection as there are people like that every where today just not as high profile as the Joker etc...

[batadz]

or surviving a fall into acid
or being burned in the face and becoming scitzo
or having to keep your body temperature below zero
or being able to control plants

yes i see what you mean.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .....................not!!!!!

[LexCorp]

or surviving a fall into acid
or being burned in the face and becoming scitzo
or having to keep your body temperature below zero
or being able to control plants

yes i see what you mean.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .....................not!!!!!

Dumb***!

We are talking reality here ok. No comic BS. My point is in real life you can have crazy Joker and Riddler types all over the place much easier than you could have a Batman. They do not have to be the exact replica of Joker. People can be burned and survive......add a crapy child hood, a bad pet attack and an abusive parent and you have a nut job made for cheap free to grow up and be a potential villain for Batman later in life.

[DeGenerate10]

or surviving a fall into acid
or being burned in the face and becoming scitzo
or having to keep your body temperature below zero
or being able to control plants

yes i see what you mean.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .....................not!!!!!



Considering there won't be a Mr. Feeze, Poison Ivy, Riddler, Joker, etc in real life...

[LexCorp]

Considering there won't be a Mr. Feeze, Poison Ivy, Riddler, Joker, etc in real life...

Not to the exact detail no, but you can have villains who have a gimmick. Something unusual, not unlike Batman, that elevates them above a common thug.

[The Question]

or surviving a fall into acid

It wasn't acid. It was unnamed chemicals that, more likely than not, were some combination of bleaches and dyes.

or being burned in the face and becoming scitzo

Two-Face is not a skitzo. He has multiple personality disorder. There's a difference. And extreme trauma can bring on multiple personality disorder. Dent had years of supressed anger stemming from his bad relationship with his father and his very stressful job, and the burns were basically the straw that broke the cammell's back. He retreated into his own mind, and was replaced with a personality that could deal with it.

or having to keep your body temperature below zero

Maybe not sub zero, but there are medical disorders that force you to keep your body at low temperatures to survive.

or being able to control plants

Poison Ivy can't control plants. At least, not with her mind or anything. Her body is imune to most organic poisons. That's it. And, that's quite possible. It would take years of exposing yourself to tiny amounts of those poisons and slowly increasing the dossage, but it can be done.

[Ronny Shade]

Two Face is an extremely realistic character. Its ENTIRELY possible that he could happen in real life.

Same with The Ventriloquist/Scarface (also multiple personality disorder) and the Riddler (just a guy).

Joker too, hes just some nut with a white face who is obsessed with clowns and or dark humor. Could easily happen.

Freeze? less likely. I still want to see it in Nolan's "reality-based" universe.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, there are some characters of the rouges gallery that are really plausible, while others......they just seem too crazy to be possible. Killer Croc, is one. While, Two Face....yeah.

[batadz]

yeah alright but i wasn't saying there not impossible i was sayin there less likley.

ok two face could happen
riddler could happen
to some extent the joker could happen
but mr freeze nope
manbat nope

Im not gonna go on but you get my point

[The Question]

Actually, there are medical conditions that would force one to remain in cooled tempuratures. They wouldn't force you to stay sub zero, but going outside on a spring day would probably kill you.

[batadz]

and that IS NOT the same as MR FREEZE so you have just reinstated my point

[Ronny Shade]

Well, Manbat is never going to happen.

[batadz]

yeah but i can see the scenario in a batz film workin
like people blaming batman for recent deaths etc
reports of batz being misleading coz they think he's a giant bat anyway
reports of giant bat sightings getting mixed up

[KnightShadow]

Batman in today's modern-day world eh? hmmmm....interesting.

I'd say yes, it could be done.

Bat gear you guys want....Bat gear you shall have. I got a few sites that could help the modern-day Dark Knight get his start, if anyones interested.

Shadow out

[Ronny Shade]

Batman in today's modern-day world eh? hmmmm....interesting.

I'd say yes, it could be done.

Bat gear you guys want....Bat gear you shall have. I got a few sites that could help the modern-day Dark Knight get his start, if anyones interested.

Shadow out
Show us!

[LexCorp]

Show us!

Some links please...

[The Question]

and that IS NOT the same as MR FREEZE so you have just reinstated my point


It's not exactly the same, no. But it's similar.

[LexCorp]

It's not exactly the same, no. But it's similar.

Yes that's my point. Hoorah!!!

[DeGenerate10]

Batman in today's modern-day world eh? hmmmm....interesting.

I'd say yes, it could be done.

Bat gear you guys want....Bat gear you shall have. I got a few sites that could help the modern-day Dark Knight get his start, if anyones interested.

Shadow out

You've peaked all of our interests now you must deliever.

[HalloweenRes]

You know, I think some of you are taking the Batman mythos a bit TOO seriously around here. A modern day Batman?? We have police and law enforcement who work day and night to keep us safe, as well as the military. As far as someone going around with a Batman suit on, well, they are just asking to be locked up in an institution. I'm sorry, but to me, it is more important to focus on what Batman symbolizes, rather than how he chooses to carry it out. Like I said, we already have real life heros out there. It depends on your definition of the word "hero." As I said, we have police, army, military, etc, etc, who are out there fighting for our country. Are they not heros? It all depends on your perception of what a "hero" is.. As far as someone actually dressing up in a Batman costume is concerned..... Hmmm.....

[Beelze]

You know, I think some of you are taking the Batman mythos a bit TOO seriously around here. A modern day Batman?? We have police and law enforcement who work day and night to keep us safe, as well as the military. As far as someone going around with a Batman suit on, well, they are just asking to be locked up in an institution. I'm sorry, but to me, it is more important to focus on what Batman symbolizes, rather than how he chooses to carry it out. Like I said, we already have real life heros out there. It depends on your definition of the word "hero." As I said, we have police, army, military, etc, etc, who are out there fighting for our country. Are they not heros? It all depends on your perception of what a "hero" is.. As far as someone actually dressing up in a Batman costume is concerned..... Hmmm.....

Well, Batman basically acts like law enforcement. So if he's not a kind of hero, then you could say that cops aren't heroes either. The thing is, Batman is just another addition, and extension of that which is already there. He doesn't replace the police. Cops are still around and stop crime/catch criminals. And the military fights wars, not Batman. He works in the comics because he is pitted against supervillains. In the real world, someone like Batman would do no good in an area with low crimerate. Surely there's some place on Earth with a high enough crime rate that someone, well-trained, could jump in and stop the perpetrators of some crime here and there. Still, we're just saying that Batman could work in the real world - we're not claiming that he'd find much work to do.

[Ronny Shade]

But Batman doesn't get paid for it.

[Calendar Man]

I'm Batman.

[DeGenerate10]

But Batman doesn't get paid for it.

What's your point?

[ShadowBoxing]

It's fantasy. The amount of training suggested that Batman undertook is far too much for one human being. The chance that you would get olympic level in that many fields of athletcism is almost impossible (due to the amount of recovery time he would need from training and the diet and time constraints of such a routine). In addition said person would have to have the fortune of being extremely wealthy just in order to buy the equipment necessary. The person would need some way to be alerted of crimes, and a means of transportation fast enough to get him there. In addition not only would he have to be expertly trainned, but incredibly smart so as to cover his tracks. Batman, no neva! However a Punisher, yeah we have and will see that. An Iron Man, within the next decade. A super soldier...maybe, maybe not. An Ultimates, probably

In order to have a Batman you'd need
A human who is near genetic perfection in mind and body....naturally fast, strong and agile
who has the fortune of being wealthy
who has some event trigger the need for him to do this
who can cover his tracks
....and who while rich is somewhat unnoticed by the general public

[Dark Guardian]

Ok, sorry to burst everyones bubble, but the whole reason Batman is so popular is because he IS possible.
And ShadowBox, I have no clue what you are talking about man, cuz I know people who have belts in numerous martial arts. It is very concievable, even probable that someone knows most of the martial arts. And as for needing genetic perfection...uh...no, all you need to do is train your mind and body until you can go out fighting people on a nightly basis.
Wealth...yeah you need that, but you don't necesarilly need the trigger for it, I also know people who just up and out of the blue decided to go out at night dressed in black and protect their University campus at night.
So no, Batman is not un-realistic, in fact there are already people who, though they may not have the fan base or easily recognizable symbols, fight crime at night in New York, Chicago, LA, Pittsburgh. There are numerous accounts of vigilantes roaming the streets.
So don't think all superheros are fake.
This ones real.

[DeGenerate10]

I was thinking someone that had the same training the Navy Seals had would be enough. The Navy Seals teach how to stay unseen and unheard. I'm sure they teach how to use non-lethal weapons and hand to hand combat. Wouldn't that be enough?

In addition to that the Navy Seals would help with the strength level and stamina also.

Competitive PST scores for trainees

500 yard swim 10:00 min
Push-up 79
Sit- ups 79
Pull-ups 11 (dead hang)
1.5 miles 10:20

[ShadowBoxing]

Ok, sorry to burst everyones bubble, but the whole reason Batman is so popular is because he IS possible.
And ShadowBox, I have no clue what you are talking about man, cuz I know people who have belts in numerous martial arts. It is very concievable, even probable that someone knows most of the martial arts. And as for needing genetic perfection...uh...no, all you need to do is train your mind and body until you can go out fighting people on a nightly basis.
Wealth...yeah you need that, but you don't necesarilly need the trigger for it, I also know people who just up and out of the blue decided to go out at night dressed in black and protect their University campus at night.
So no, Batman is not un-realistic, in fact there are already people who, though they may not have the fan base or easily recognizable symbols, fight crime at night in New York, Chicago, LA, Pittsburgh. There are numerous accounts of vigilantes roaming the streets.
So don't think all superheros are fake.
This ones real.There are not any Batmen though...and being a Martial Artist and having a black belt don't mean crap. I knew an olympic wrestler and third degree black belt in Kung Fu who almost got killed in a bar fight with a guy who was a first degree alcoholic with a bad temper. Batman is not real. In order to wage a war on crime successfully with just your fists, you would need a lot. A no you can't just train yourself, most athletes professional or otherwise are genetically gifted first and foremost. Chances are if you are doing Martial Arts in some local school you are not a genetic freak like these guys. And even if you are, and even if you could master gymnastics, martial arts and strength training, you would still need some form of wealth to become anything more than a Gaurdian Angel.

In order to have the agilit, strength, speed and fighting prowess you would have to be incredibly genetically gifted. You would have to be naturally very athletic in at least two of those areas. If your not I can tell you no amount of training will make you so. Bruce Lee was never slow...but consequently he was never that strong either. Arnold Swarzenegger could bench press same vehicles, but he could not fight his way out of a paper bag (metaphorically speaking). People devoute their lives, LIVES to mastering ONE of these things, not all ONE. Take it from an Athlete in both HS and College. It is impossible, impossible to be physically capable enought to accomplish what Batman accomplishes. Let me re-enforce this because I don't think it gets through. You will NEVER be as good as Batman, NEVER. Even the best combatants like Randy Coutour still can be beaten. Still cannot take on more than say two guys at once. There is a reason Bruce Lee kept guns in his house, he obviously was not relying on his Martial arts to save him.

How exactly would you find crime, just walk around. How would you combat the mob, start asking questions. They their are a few vigilante's running around, most of whom are pathetic jokes. Like the Brooklyn Avenger who is just some crazy guy in a cape they keep arresting. The rest are Guardian Angels for the most part

Furthermore you can't combat a man with a gun (without a gun yourself). The higher up you go in fighting the more and more this becomes apparent. Fighting on TV and comics is far different. If you have a bullet proof vest I will shoot you in the face and there is NOTHING you can do about it. Bullets travel FAST, and unless he is some coked out homeless mugger he will not hestitate to pull the trigger. Then you will be dead.

I agree with the initial posts
Could there be a Batman, yeah...but it would only last one night

[ShadowBoxing]

I was thinking someone that had the same training the Navy Seals had would be enough. The Navy Seals teach how to stay unseen and unheard. I'm sure they teach how to use non-lethal weapons and hand to hand combat. Wouldn't that be enough?

In addition to that the Navy Seals would help with the strength level and stamina also.

Competitive PST scores for trainees

500 yard swim 10:00 min
Push-up 79
Sit- ups 79
Pull-ups 11 (dead hang)
1.5 miles 10:20Thats it...I am not sure about the Swimming, but I can do the rest of that test easy...that makes me feel good to know that

Again Military training is spotty at best. It trains you to have endurance not strength. Those who are naturally strong will get strong or stay strong. However doing a bunch of pushups doesn't do crap for your strength. I know guys who can crank out 100 military pushups and cannot bench their own bodyweight. That type of exercise is far different from strength training. The endurance would help

[Ronny Shade]

Ok, sorry to burst everyones bubble, but the whole reason Batman is so popular is because he IS possible.
And ShadowBox, I have no clue what you are talking about man, cuz I know people who have belts in numerous martial arts. It is very concievable, even probable that someone knows most of the martial arts. And as for needing genetic perfection...uh...no, all you need to do is train your mind and body until you can go out fighting people on a nightly basis.
Wealth...yeah you need that, but you don't necesarilly need the trigger for it, I also know people who just up and out of the blue decided to go out at night dressed in black and protect their University campus at night.
So no, Batman is not un-realistic, in fact there are already people who, though they may not have the fan base or easily recognizable symbols, fight crime at night in New York, Chicago, LA, Pittsburgh. There are numerous accounts of vigilantes roaming the streets.
So don't think all superheros are fake.
This ones real.
If that is true, then that is awesome.

[LexCorp]

OK so I think we have all established that there are many factors that make up a Batman. A few of which are extremely hard to obtain but never impossible. This thread was never about taking it TOO seriously. It was only intended to develop the ideas we are sharing. To see what aspects of Batman are possible? The consequences and problems he would face. Yes its origins are from fiction but Batman could be made real to a certain extent. Not from a fan boys crazy ideas but with logical and rational thinking and planning.

[batadz]

yeah to who ever said it earlier i knew sumone who had black belt in karate and i used to piss him off coz i could drop him every time

just coz your trained dosent mean your good

however that depends on yer M.O. and how or why you trained

I got a litle bit when i was young and only remember the basics, and things ive picked up over the years, fending off scallies in manchester.
yeah i can take care of myself and i have been slashed with knifes a couple of times but thats not to say i've never got my head kicked in.

the thing bout batz is he is strong and armoured and has motivation and skilled

The thing about me is I don't usually block I just keep coming coz i have a high pain theshold and when i land one it counts

the bat; he would have to train his body and mind to deal with these consequences which is compleatly possible - infact some monks stick giant kebab scewers through themselves and there fine

So martial arts or whatever all that aspect of batz is possible

[batadz]

*er thats greater manchester not manchester city center