Prince of Persia:The Sands of Time

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Yea but what if they finished this movie with a set up for the sequel, then the sequel never comes.

It would end up being detrimental to this movie.

Was the end of the first game set up for Warrior Within? I've only played WW and Two Thrones.

[Ace of Knaves]

hehe I never played the first one either. Only Warrior Within. And it is one of the only games ever that I didn't complete. ****ing hard as nails it was.

[FaT_tONle]

If they don't push the 250 mark domestically and it sputters WW, then I can see a sequel in jeapordy. Needs to gross 500 million for a lock. Lets not forget Narnia getting the can despite an over 400 million gross. Different circumstances I know, but they still need all the money they can get.

[Project862006]

It seems pointless to just intend on making one movie when the game series is a trilogy. Suddenly I'm not so excited anymore.

it ends exactly like the game and the game does'nt end with it expecting a sequel

[rashad]

If they don't push the 250 mark domestically and it sputters WW, then I can see a sequel in jeapordy. Needs to gross 500 million for a lock. Lets not forget Narnia getting the can despite an over 400 million gross. Different circumstances I know, but they still need all the money they can get.

Yeah but by good fortune the Narnia franchise got picked up by another studio.

[BlackLantern]

Fox is handling distribution on Narnia now...Disney dropped it because their expectations of success are a lot higher than most other studios

[Project862006]

Prince Caspian only did less than expected imo was because of its release date

[BlackLantern]

I thought it was because people didn't give a **** about Narnia anymore

[Silver Knight]

Im pretty sure there will be a sequel.

[Doctor Jones]

It is happening. I still haven't seen the second one yet and I didn't care much for the first.

I also think it didnt' do as well because of the poor release date. I mean they were idiots to release it between IM and KOTCS. It should of been released that December.

[Figs]

Finally got around to watching the trailer for this. Looks pretty fun and definitely has that Pirates of the Caribbean vibe to it, which is expected since it's the same producer of course.

[Doctor Jones]

This film has replaced The Wolfman on the top films I can't wait to see next year. I'm getting jazzed for it.

[Figs]

This film has replaced The Wolfman on the top films I can't wait to see next year. I'm getting jazzed for it.

I'm too much of a werewolf lover to be excited for PoP more but PoP is definitely an action film I'll be checking out next year.

[Doctor Jones]

I'm a huge Wolfman fan too, but I'm starting to get a little pessimistic about The Wolfman. It possibly could be disapointing. I'll still see it, but I just have a feeling.

[ttotheusher]

I'm a huge Wolfman fan too, but I'm starting to get a little pessimistic about The Wolfman. It possibly could be disapointing. I'll still see it, but I just have a feeling.

I get the feeling that everyone on the Wolfman has different ideas. Actors, makeup, director, studio etc. I think that alot of ideas are gonna clash.

[Infinity9999x]

Bruckheimer said they are planning on just making this one. :huh: Haha terry where are you getting your info from bro? This is like the second time I've heard the opposite of you, haha. He said that they wrote it for only the one film, and that if they make a sequel, it will be a challenge to continue the story but it could potentially be done.

Not exactly. In an interview posted in this thread about a week or two ago, Bruckheimer said that, like Pirates, they made this to be a stand alone movie, but, like Pirates, if it does well he's always open to coming back.
It is happening. I still haven't seen the second one yet and I didn't care much for the first.

I also think it didnt' do as well because of the poor release date. I mean they were idiots to release it between IM and KOTCS. It should of been released that December.
Well, to be fair, nobody predicted that IM was going to be the hit it was. But KOTCS I agree with. That movie was going to make big $$$ no matter what.

[BlackLantern]

I also think it didnt' do as well because of the poor release date. I mean they were idiots to release it between IM and KOTCS. It should of been released that December.

are you talking about "Prince Caspian"....that movie was ****ed either way because it just wasn't that good....the first one was ok, but hardly set the world on fire...Disney initially picked up the franchise because they were tired of Harry Potter kicking their ass every year

[GhostPoet]

Gotta admit...I went from zero interest to super hyped after one trailer viewing. It looks fantastic.

[Doctor Jones]

are you talking about "Prince Caspian"....that movie was ****ed either way because it just wasn't that good....the first one was ok, but hardly set the world on fire...Disney initially picked up the franchise because they were tired of Harry Potter kicking their ass every year

What came out in December last year? I really don't remember other than Benjamin Button. It could of done just as well as the first possibly.

[omid17]

Gotta admit...I went from zero interest to super hyped after one trailer viewing. It looks fantastic.did you watch when you saw 2012?

[Asteroid-Man]

It was some movie site from France where it was a passing rumor. :awesome: You trying to call me out, *****?
No, not trying. I JUST DID! :cmad:

[hobo123]

new picture!

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9558/44733564.th.jpg (http://img195.imageshack.us/i/44733564.jpg/)

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^Where'd you get it from?

[XxDelta09xX]

^That's an Awesome Pic.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It sure is.

[Silver Knight]

Sweet pic, looks like a new costume to me.

[dark_b]

i like the details on the body suit and on the hair. reallly good

[craigdbfan]

Yeah, liking the hair a lot.

[Sebastos]

Cool new pic.

[Doctor Jones]

Wow, that picture really does alot. Great stuff.

[Asteroid-Man]

Sweet. :up:

[Silver Knight]

Any pics of any products yet?

[dogwonder78]

Gotta admit...I went from zero interest to super hyped after one trailer viewing. It looks fantastic.

Haha, that will teach you not to judge a film before seeing any footage! ;) Just kidding. I was the only one of my friends who never doubted this film from the get go. It is okay, I am just glad now everyone is as excited as me! :yay:

I love that new picture! I hadn't seen it before and I am loving Jake's long hair too!

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Awesome pic of the Prince, but I want more of Gemma... I'd probably see it just for her even if the movie didn't look sweet.

[Asteroid-Man]

http://tengossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/prince-of-persia.jpg

http://tengossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/prince-of-persia2.jpg

[dark_b]

I SEE SPIDEY will like this :)

[RachelDawes]

I SEE SPIDEY will like this :)

I like it too. :woot: I hope we get similar posters for the other characters.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

As awesome as this looks, I think one reason I'm getting hyped for it is because we might see the Dahaka in the future. I can't wait for those chase scenes on the big screen...

[Savage]

Oh hell yes. That would be intense. :up:

[hobo123]

http://tengossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/prince-of-persia.jpg

"i like that" although it does look like a magazine cover

[Asteroid-Man]

That's exactly why I hate it. That and how rushed it is.


Speaking of posters though, I've been waiting so long to finish off one of my fan posters. I've been waiting for a decent picture of Alfred Molina in costume.

[Asteroid-Man]

Screw it, I'll just post it now and then update it with Molina later.

[Asteroid-Man]

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/7676/popposterunfinished.png

Feel free to ask where I got the pictures from.

[omid17]

nice

[Silver Knight]

http://tengossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/prince-of-persia.jpg

http://tengossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/prince-of-persia2.jpg
Real or fake?

[dark_b]

real

[Asteroid-Man]

Thanks Omid.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Is Asteroid's poster not showing up or is it just me?

[omid17]

Thanks Omid.:up:

Is Asteroid's poster not showing up or is it just me?i can see it

[Asteroid-Man]

Here's the direct link: http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/7676/popposterunfinished.png

[craigdbfan]

Cool poster. :up:

[GoblinWhirlwind]

That did it. Nice :up:

[hobo123]

Here's the direct link: http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/7676/popposterunfinished.png

nice :up:

[Asteroid-Man]

Thanks for the compliments guys. I can't wait for a Molina picture so I can finish the poster!!!

[XxDelta09xX]

http://tengossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/prince-of-persia.jpg

http://tengossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/prince-of-persia2.jpg

These are some Awesome shots of Prince.:woot:

[Silver Knight]

We should have seen some products by now, im getting annoyed.

[omid17]

stop acting like a baby, you'll get your toys :oldrazz:

[GoblinWhirlwind]

I say this about everything, but I wonder if Hot Toys is gonna make figures.

I'm still waiting for them to reveal their damn Rorschach :cmad:

[hobo123]

new poster from me

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2662/4135245622_3647116dd8_o.png

[omid17]

very nice

[Asteroid-Man]

I like it! Do you have it in larger size? Also where did you get the Molina picture!?

[Silver Knight]

stop acting like a baby, you'll get your toys :oldrazz:
Yes, but when Papa?

[dark_b]

new poster from me

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2662/4135245622_3647116dd8_o.png
you made this poster? :huh:

dude this is insane. not only did you make a clean psoter but the colors match. everythig just fits.

thats a perfect manip.

[omid17]

Yes, but when Papa?around Feb/March

[omid17]

you made this poster? :huh:

dude this is insane. not only did you make a clean psoter but the colors match. everythig just fits.

thats a perfect manip.
he did a awesome job on it

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think that even with the comp from Sex And the City that this movie could be the start of a huge franchise.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this movie made 275-300mil.

[Deaths Head II]

you made this poster? :huh:

dude this is insane. not only did you make a clean psoter but the colors match. everythig just fits.

thats a perfect manip.

I agree with this.

That manip is absolutely fantastic. :up:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I thought it was real at first.

[XxDelta09xX]

new poster from me

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2662/4135245622_3647116dd8_o.png

Man at first I thought that was an official poster Great job.:woot:

[matrix_ghost]

I think that even with the comp from Sex And the City that this movie could be the start of a huge franchise.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this movie made 275-300mil.

Depends how fronloaded and/or how big the OW weekend it going to be.
That other chick flick :oldrazz: is going to open a month after this.

[hobo123]

I like it! Do you have it in larger size? Also where did you get the Molina picture!?

thanks, sry man thats the biggest i have and for the molina picture its just a screenshot from the trailer

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2421/molina.png

very nice

you made this poster? :huh:

dude this is insane. not only did you make a clean psoter but the colors match. everythig just fits.

thats a perfect manip.

he did a awesome job on it

I agree with this.

That manip is absolutely fantastic. :up:

I thought it was real at first.

Man at first I thought that was an official poster Great job.:woot:

thanks guys :woot:

[craigdbfan]

Killer poster. Really well made.

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah, that is a great poster.

[Honey Vibe]

Excellent poster, excellent talent.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Depends how fronloaded and/or how big the OW weekend it going to be.
That other chick flick :oldrazz: is going to open a month after this.Eclispe isn't going to effect this movie. If it's making money and people like it in Star Trek or Pirates way it will continue to hold up.

If the movie fails it's going to fail before Eclispe is even out.

[hobo123]

Very cool poster!

I doubt the official one will look as good as yours, hobo123. The colors really do go together well and everything matches up perfectly.

Thanks for posting the Molina capture too.

thanks man and np

Killer poster. Really well made.

Yeah, that is a great poster.

Excellent poster, excellent talent.

thanks guys :D

[Sebastos]

Great stuff. :up:

[Erundur]

new poster from me

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2662/4135245622_3647116dd8_o.png

that's just amazing, you did a great job with this...I actually thought this was real at first. :awesome:

[BlackLantern]

are we all done kissing his ass now?? really??

[omid17]

are you gettin jealous BL? :hehe:

[BlackLantern]

please....the only difference between fan art and fart is two letters, but the smell is still the same

[Hunter Rider]

please....the only difference between fan art and fart is two letters, but the smell is still the same

At times BL it is like someone has beaten you severely with the ignorant stick.

[Doctor Jones]

please....the only difference between fan art and fart is two letters, but the smell is still the same

Buzz Killington :csad:

[GoblinWhirlwind]

new poster from me

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2662/4135245622_3647116dd8_o.png

That seriously looks official. :wow:

If you could make a wallpaper outta this, we'd be best buds, you and I. :up:

[Timstuff]

I came into this thread and I thought that was an official poster. Good job!

[BlackLantern]

At times BL it is like someone has beaten you severely with the ignorant stick.

and you operate under the assumption that I said something ignorant when all I did was offer a differing opinion

[Deaths Head II]

That wasn't really a differing opinion as much as it was "people, stop complimenting this person already."

[Hunter Rider]

and you operate under the assumption that I said something ignorant when all I did was offer a differing opinion

No it was ignorant, if you knew anything about artists you'd know this, everyone starts somewhere including Drew Struzan, fan art is the beginning of that expression, your contempt for the fan is ignorant.

[BlackLantern]

No it was ignorant, if you knew anything about artists you'd know this, everyone starts somewhere including Drew Struzan, fan art is the beginning of that expression, your contempt for the fan is ignorant.

it's not contempt at all...id like to think i have an understanding that happens to be a blunt as all hell

:yay:

im figuring with the trailer out, id see a teaser poster or something in my local theater....maybe they haven't put them out yet

[Hunter Rider]

it's not contempt at all...id like to think i have an understanding that happens to be a blunt as all hell


Being blunt is just an excuse to be rude about young artists or amateur artists work, as if somehow being paid for work automatically makes it better or more professional in your eyes, given you have shown on more than one occasion a love of class system.

[BlackLantern]

Being blunt is just an excuse to be rude about young artists or amateur artists work, as if somehow being paid for work automatically makes it better or more professional in your eyes, given you have shown on more than one occasion a love of class system.

and?? it's a system we all live and work in and i've benefited from it

and i'd much prefer to be paid for something as opposed to not....I think most people would

[Project862006]

this seems to be going nowhere really fast LOL

[Hunter Rider]

and?? it's a system we all live and work in and i've benefited from it

and i'd much prefer to be paid for something as opposed to not....I think most people would

That pretty much says it all, the fact it often stinks is only palatable in your eyes b/c you're doing the excreting.

Paid or not paid has nothing to do with the quality of the work, surely you realize this.

[BlackLantern]

I'm supposed to feel bad because I like money, because I like to be paid for work I do??....im supposed to support some cheeto stained basement dweller because he has the free time with photoshop or whatever to cobble together some poster and the rest of you drool over it?? please wasn't a fan section established so that stuff wouldn't pollute the rest of the threads??

[bullets]

cool poster by the way , thought it was real.

[Hunter Rider]

I'm supposed to feel bad because I like money, because I like to be paid for work I do??....im supposed to support some cheeto stained basement dweller because he has the free time with photoshop or whatever to cobble together some poster and the rest of you drool over it?? please wasn't a fan section established so that stuff wouldn't pollute the rest of the threads??

No, you aren't supposed to feel bad, the fact it makes you feel superior and more important, and the fact you think it is the seal of approval on quality is just ignorant, the whole bolded statement is also ignorant, there are a lot of people with good jobs, I dare say better than yours, who dabble in art in their spare time and can create posters far better than some of the goons that get paid by studios.

[Anubis]

BL? You in here hatin' on fun again?

I swear to God, I had no idea this was coming out. I went to see Ninja Assassin and the trailer popped up and I nerdgasmed right there.

[BlackLantern]

oh HR...champion of the unappreciated and the little guy.....a right Mother Teresa you are

[aaron]

i just saw the trailer,it looks really average. is this the general consensus

[BlackLantern]

not at all...i think it looks pretty good...I probably wont go opening weekend, but I will go see it

[Hunter Rider]

oh HR...champion of the unappreciated and the little guy.....a right Mother Teresa you are

I'm not champion of the little guy and I don't hate the rich, I just hate it when the rich think having money means their **** don't stink.

[Project862006]

i just saw the trailer,it looks really average. is this the general consensus

NOPE the general consensus is this look very faithful to the game and it just looks awesome :yay:

[Saint]

please....the only difference between fan art and fart is two letters, but the smell is still the same

Congratulations: you've made a fool of yourself!

[bunk]

please wasn't a fan section established so that stuff wouldn't pollute the rest of the threads??

Irony is *****.:doh:

[Anubis]

I'm not champion of the little guy and I don't hate the rich, I just hate it when the rich think having money means their **** don't stink.


Actually, their s**t don't stink. There are pills they take that make their poop smell like cinnamon buns. It costs 1,000,000 dollars a bottle.

[Anubis]

Congratulations: you've made a fool of yourself!


Oh come on, that was clever.

[Doctor Jones]

Man, I wish every video game adaption had Bruckheimer attached. He seems to actually care about it unlike everyone else. He should produce Uncharted.

[AndThePickles]

The trailer didn't really excite me. I also think it's rather insulting having Jake play the main character when there are plenty of actual Middle Easterners who could have played the role :csad:

[terry78]

Saw this trailer on Ninja last night...people immediately were saying, "dude, Prince of Persia, it's based on that game." It has name recognition.

[BlackLantern]

and Jakes abs

[AnorexicBatman]

The trailer didn't really excite me. I also think it's rather insulting having Jake play the main character when there are plenty of actual Middle Easterners who could have played the role


Give Jerry Bruckheimer their names and Agent contacts. He will get back to you and them.

[BlackLantern]

and not to sound like an ass....but casting Middle Eastern actors that have absolutely ZERO exposure to the movie going audience is hardly a good plan....especially for a big budget movie like this

[AndThePickles]

It wouldn't look so obvious if (at least from the trailer) the rest of the cast didn't look so Persian as opposed to white lol

[echostation]

They were freshly white with dark brown raven hair, with the skin glistening in the sun it made for great golden fresh trailer... hi hoodim

[nocomics]

I saw the trailer as well and it looked decent imo. Far as Jake he looked pretty close to the game character. You gotta remember this is hollywood and ur catering to more of a western style audience(nothing against the middle eastern peeps) its just how it works.
I think it will be a decent action flick and I hope it breaks that video game curse of movies that kindof blow.

[BlackLantern]

and also, this is a film adaptation of a video game created by a white guy from NYC who graduated from Yale....its not like they are taking a Persian legend and casting whitey in it to make a quick buck

[terry78]

Just be glad they cast the lead in Ninja Assassin as an actual asian dude. They could have easily made him white.

[AndThePickles]

and also, this is a film adaptation of a video game created by a white guy from NYC who graduated from Yale....its not like they are taking a Persian legend and casting whitey in it to make a quick buck

I know, I just think that Jake looks silly.

[BlackLantern]

I think he looks pretty good...he looks a lot like the character from sands of time and even the accent sounds pretty close

[hobo123]

Great stuff. :up:

that's just amazing, you did a great job with this...I actually thought this was real at first. :awesome:

I came into this thread and I thought that was an official poster. Good job!

cool poster by the way , thought it was real.

thanks guys :woot:

That seriously looks official. :wow:

If you could make a wallpaper outta this, we'd be best buds, you and I. :up:

thanks but sry man, this is the biggest i have and turning it into a wallpaper is almost impossible to do so sry :yay:

[omid17]

Just be glad they cast the lead in Ninja Assassin as an actual asian dude. They could have easily made him white.some asians were pissed cause the main character was korean not japanese

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Some people are mad about any and everything.

I'm sorry but I'm over the no Persians are in this movie thing. I don't like it and I'm not saying that it isn't incredibly wrong and racist (thats hollywood for you) but whats done is done, I'm more concerned about the movie's quality now.

As I've said before, I'll still make fun of the white washing but I'm not going to cry about it anymore.

[BlackLantern]

I get your point, but to call it racist is a bit much....to me, the word racist implies intent...and I don't think it was something done intentionally....and again...this is a film based off of a video game created by a white Yale graduate from NYC

[Venomfan]

all the iranian persians i know look just as white as any one else so i dont really care. i mean it would have been good to let an actual persian get the chance to do something big like this but w/e they didnt get a canadian to play wolverine either.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^You know the Wolverine thing isn't the same.

I get your point, but to call it racist is a bit much....to me, the word racist implies intent...and I don't think it was something done intentionally....and again...this is a film based off of a video game created by a white Yale graduate from NYCEh, people never want to say that anything is racist these days. Atleast thats how I see it.

[Project862006]

jake looks exactly like the prince from the game

[omid17]

as a persian im just happy they're making a high budget fun action movie that has to do with Persia

[AndThePickles]

Ah ha, I see there must have been earlier complaints about that lol

[I SEE SPIDEY]

as a persian im just happy they're making a high budget fun action movie that has to do with PersiaAs a non-persian I'm happy that you are happy.:yay:

Maybe this will be a stepping stone to them making more movies about that general area and next time casting accordingly.

[BlackLantern]

if someone was making a picture involving a historical event in Persian history like the Greco Persian Wars and they cast a bunch of white actors, then it'd be a valid complaint

[omid17]

As a non-persian I'm happy that you are happy.:yay:

Maybe this will be a stepping stone to them making more movies about that general area and next time casting accordingly.:up:

if someone was making a picture involving a historical event in Persian history like the Greco Persian Wars and they cast a bunch of white actors, then it'd be a valid complaintagreed

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think it's a valid complaint now.

Sure a white guy created the game and the Prince does look pretty white in the videogame but videogames and movies are too completely different things. Some people will laugh if you name a movie with humans, Prince of Persia and nobody is even remotely perisian in the flick. It's a funny and somewhat sad situation.

It's like naming something Black People Fight against Slavery and casting a whiteguy as the lead slave. You can't get mad at people for complaining about that, especially with hollywood's obessesion of whitewashing every single thing they get their hands on.

To them white people just couldn't stand to see a movie staring a non-white person. Maybe I'm a nieve black chick but I just have a hard time believing that white people cover their eyes in horror when a non-white person comes on screen.

It's freakin insulting and very typical of hollywood sadly.

[RachelDawes]

It wouldn't look so obvious if (at least from the trailer) the rest of the cast didn't look so Persian as opposed to white lol

Plenty of Persians look white, and several Persian hypesters have agreed that Jake could pass as Persian. I would've preferred a genuine Persian actor in the role as well but Gyllenhaal does physically look the part.

[Venomfan]

^You know the Wolverine thing isn't the same.
why not? my iranian friends look like they could be brothers with jake. i think the biggest misconception here is that all iranians look like arabs, which is a huge insult to them

[omid17]

I think it's a valid complaint now.

Sure a white guy created the game and the Prince does look pretty white in the videogame but videogames and movies are too completely different things. Some people will laugh if you name a movie with humans, Prince of Persia and nobody is even remotely perisian in the flick. It's a funny and somewhat sad situation.

It's like naming something Black People Fight against Slavery and casting a whiteguy as the lead slave. You can't get mad at people for complaining about that, especially with hollywood's obessesion of whitewashing every single thing they get their hands on.

To them white people just couldn't stand to see a movie staring a non-white person. Maybe I'm a nieve black chick but I just have a hard time believing that white people cover their eyes in horror when a non-white person comes on screen.

It's freakin insulting and very typical of hollywood sadly.agreed

[I SEE SPIDEY]

why not? my iranian friends look like they could be brothers with jake. i think the biggest misconception here is that all iranians look like arabs, which is a huge insult to them
I didn't say all anybody looked like anything.

If Persians look just like white people, whats the harm in casting a Persian or somebody from that general area then? I love Jake and believe that he will do a good job but he isn't a big star. He doesn't exactly bring people out to the theaters. Hell, if Prince of Persia has a bad run at the boxoffice my point will be proven even more.

[Venomfan]

I didn't say all anybody looked like anything.

If Persians look just like white people, whats the harm in casting a Persian or somebody from that general area then? I love Jake and believe that he will do a good job but he isn't a big star. He doesn't exactly bring people out to the theaters. Hell, if Prince of Persia has a bad run at the boxoffice my point will be proven even more.
ok gotcha. i thought the complaints were about him not looking right. i agree that jake isn't a box office draw, ive never really cared for him as an actor either. getting a persian would have been good just to give someone new a turn in the limelight.

[Doctor Jones]

It's just a safer gample. Especially when Disney is spending lots of money on a video game adaption. You use a good actor that alot of people know and is liked.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Obviously I'm not as over this casting as I thought.:dry:

[omid17]

It's just a safer gample. Especially when Disney is spending lots of money on a video game adaption. You use a good actor that alot of people know and is liked.yup

[carrrnuttt]

I didn't say all anybody looked like anything.

If Persians look just like white people, whats the harm in casting a Persian or somebody from that general area then? I love Jake and believe that he will do a good job but he isn't a big star. He doesn't exactly bring people out to the theaters. Hell, if Prince of Persia has a bad run at the boxoffice my point will be proven even more.

If you're over the looks thing, and are now just whining about the nationality thing, just know that I'd *think* about taking you, or anyone like you seriously in that regard, once I see you protesting Canadian, British and Australian actors playing American parts, and Americans speaking with British accents in movies. :whatever:

Go ahead, convince me that what you're whining about is any different.

[Doctor Jones]

She's not whining dude, calm down. At least she isn't constantly *****ing about Jake's nationality like most people are here which diverts from this thread becoming a normal one.

[AndThePickles]

Man, I didn't mean to start a huge argument :csad: I just saw the trailer and thought, hmm, Jake looks silly. And not Persian or badass.

[Doctor Jones]

I think we just all need to stop mentioning it. Or we an, but then it just sparks the same old **** we've been seeing since page 1.

[AndThePickles]

Yeah, can't say I'm interested enough in this film to have been following it since page one. I saw the trailer at the movies on Friday, and was bored at work today *shrugs* That's the problem with huge threads like this and newcomers who want to comment on anything.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's not your fault Pickles, you have a right to your opinion.

Doctor Jones is right, I think that we should drop the race arguement and just talk about the flick.

And I'd also like to thank him for standing up for me. :up: He obviously actually read my posts.

[Project862006]

Jake looked Persian and bad ass to me lol

[carrrnuttt]

Jake looks silly. And not Persian or badass.

How many times have you been pwned on this very point in this very thread? There were even pictures I posted of present-day, everyday Iranians from a hidden mall camera that were obviously Caucasoid. Not to mention actual Persians chiming in.

How many times do you have to be reminded that YOU are the one stereotyping when you spew crap like this?

I apologize to I SEE SPIDEY for the "whining" comment, but I am just extra-irritated that AndThePickles over here decided to jump in again with his lame stereotyping, when that particular discussion died down already. Not to mention he's re-hashing an old argument of his that got shot down many times already.

I SEE SPIDEY: I might have apologized to you for using the "whining" card, but I still challenge you to prove to me that what you are "voicing your opinion" over isn't any different than what's going in with foreign actors playing American parts.

[Doctor Jones]

It's not your fault Pickles, you have a right to your opinion.

Doctor Jones is right, I think that we should drop the race arguement and just talk about the flick.

And I'd also like to thank him for standing up for me. :up: He obviously actually read my posts.

No problem.

This thread just keeps getting off the track. Once we start to have some conversation, somebody has to come and talk about Jake's race and we go through the same hoopla. Not aimed at you Pickles, you didn't seem to mean any harm while others do.

carrnutt, dude, lets just get over it. By continuing this, it will only get worse and more people will catch on.

[Sebastos]

How many times have you been pwned on this very point in this very thread? There were even pictures I posted of present-day, everyday Iranians from a hidden mall camera that were obviously Caucasoid. Not to mention actual Persians chiming in.

How many times do you have to be reminded that YOU are the one stereotyping when you spew crap like this?

I apologize to I SEE SPIDEY for the "whining" comment, but I am just extra-irritated that AndThePickles over here decided to jump in again with his lame stereotyping, when that particular discussion died down already. Not to mention he's re-hashing an old argument of his that got shot down many times already.

I SEE SPIDEY: I might have apologized to you for using the "whining" card, but I still challenge you to prove to me that what you are "voicing your opinion" over isn't any different than what's going in with foreign actors playing American parts.

ATP is a she not a he. She's entitled to her opinion, get over it already.

[carrrnuttt]

carrnutt, dude, lets just get over it. By continuing this, it will only get worse and more people will catch on.
ATP is a she not a he. She's entitled to her opinion, get over it already.

LOL

You're telling *me* to "get over it," when I'm just being reactionary here. What you're not realizing is I have NOTHING to "get over" on. I'm trying to get these politically-correct wannabes to justify their position, so they can justify why THEY can't "get over it," especially with the movie in post-production already.

[Doctor Jones]

No, by you constantly bringing this subject up even if they don't care for it much is making this thread suffer from redundancy. Okay, you don't need to get over it, just stop trying to put your opinion into theirs. They're not being hostile.

Opinion, whether good or bad, harmless or harmful around here seems to still get out of control.

[carrrnuttt]

No, by you constantly bringing this subject up even if they don't care for it much is making this thread suffer from redundancy. Okay, you don't need to get over it, just stop trying to put your opinion into theirs. They're not being hostile.

Opinion, whether good or bad, harmless or harmful around here seems to still get out of control.

ONE: "ATP" brought it up first.

TWO: "ATP" actually brought it up AGAIN.

THREE: "ATP" has been rebuked, and rebutted soundly on the very subject she repeated.

Wanna re-think who you're going to talk to about "constantly bringing it up," and "redundancy" again?

[Doctor Jones]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJTBPdVpdMc

Here dude.

Or if that doesn't help.

The title of the song, not the blatant innuendoes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyl5DlrsU90

Now onto another subject. How about the director? Anyone think he has the stuff.

jeez, I'm desperate to get this thread back on track.

[AndThePickles]

How exactly did I bring it up "again" :huh: All I did was explain that I hadn't been in this thread before to see the fact that this argument has occurred previously, and state that I saw the trailer a couple nights ago, which is what prompted me to comment in the first place. It's not even me arguing against anyone :huh:

If you're referring to this post

Man, I didn't mean to start a huge argument :csad: I just saw the trailer and thought, hmm, Jake looks silly. And not Persian or badass.

It's just explaining what prompted me to comment in the first place. No need to try to "pwn" someone who wasn't arguing anything from the start.

[kedrell]

eZGe3cehqE8

Hmm...

[Project862006]

anyway how does everybody fell about prince of Persia LOL

[Project862006]

that was horrible LOL

[BlackLantern]

Now onto another subject. How about the director? Anyone think he has the stuff..

I think so...Mike Newell directed HP and the Goblet of Fire, he's also the director of Pushing Tin, 4 Weddings and a Funeral...so he's done a variety of things and he's done a LOT of TV....I tend to think that directors that come from TV understand pacing a lot better than most

[kedrell]

that was horrible LOL

I got a laugh out of it.

[AndThePickles]

eZGe3cehqE8

Hmm...

Haha, ouch.

[kedrell]

hehehe

"..this feels like a bad Pirates of the Caribbean sequel in the middle east.."

[BlackLantern]

the internet has given everyone a voice...Im still on the fence as to whether that's a good or a bad thing

[carrrnuttt]

It's just explaining what prompted me to comment in the first place. No need to try to "pwn" someone who wasn't arguing anything from the start.

No.

You were explaining how you were biased against the movie because of your own stereotyping of how Persians "should" look. It's a sign of a narrow and uneducated mind. Think of this as free schooling as I shock you into educating yourself about the world more, before you bring your pre-conceived notions into discussions where it doesn't belong.

Pay attention to what you wrote again:

Jake looks silly. And not Persian or badass.

[BlackLantern]

how should a Persian look??

[AndThePickles]

Oy. This thread is clearly more serious than I could have ever anticipated. I was at the theater with Spoons. When we saw the trailer, he turned to me and whispered something along the lines of, "They couldn't even find a Middle Eastern actor and had to pick the whitest white guy? How rude and insulting." and I laughed and agreed. Clearly, humor and/or a light-hearted opinion that doesn't result in a huge debate is inappropriate in this thread, and next time I'll keep my thoughts between myself and my boyfriend.

If any Persians were offended, I apologize. My original comment did have to do with the fact that it IS unfair in film not to at least cast the nationality that a movie is about, but after I saw the huge argument resulting I attempted to apologize with some light-heartedness thrown in. Holy moly, never here again.

[JustABill]

Oy. This thread is clearly more serious than I could have ever anticipated. I was at the theater with Spoons. When we saw the trailer, he turned to me and whispered something along the lines of, "They couldn't even find a Middle Eastern actor and had to pick the whitest white guy? How rude and insulting." and I laughed and agreed. Clearly, humor and/or a light-hearted opinion that doesn't result in a huge debate is inappropriate in this thread, and next time I'll keep my thoughts between myself and my boyfriend.

If any Persians were offended, I apologize.
I agree with you and Spoons, entirely! Jake Gyllenhaal has no business playing this role. Great actor he may be, he just doesn't look the part what so ever.

[Project862006]

:doh:

[JustABill]

Oh, leave her alone. She's entitled to an opinion. Everyone is.

[BlackLantern]

she's throwing her opinion around like it's fact....that's the problem

[Project862006]

justabill i was more responding to your post of looking nothing like the prince when he looks quite like him'

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5173/wallpaperprinceofpersiaet9.jpg
http://cinematropolis.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/88-1248239778-jake-gyllenhaal-prince-of-persia-movie-poster.jpg

[AndThePickles]

How so? I haven't sat here "telling" anyone anything, and even apologized for starting other people arguing. Do I have to put "IMO" after everything? I even started it with "I thought." I've never been so baffled about being e-attacked in my life.

[kedrell]

Too many people are uber-sensitive about ethnicity in hollywood movies. Don't worry about it.

[BlackLantern]

go play Sands of Time and then look at Gylenhall....the characters are severely similar

[JustABill]

she's throwing her opinion around like it's fact....that's the problem
Uhhhh....no. She's not.

And Project Pat, I don't see it. One man is clearly Persian and has a Persian air about him. The other guy is just a white guy in some crazy armor.

[carrrnuttt]

how should a Persian look??

I don't know how they "should" look, but I do know how they "actually" look. Every picture below is of an Iranian/Persian celebrity:

http://www.glogster.com/media/2/2/21/57/2215700.jpg

http://ivmp.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/10_860624_l600.jpg

http://www.glogster.com/media/2/2/21/55/2215594.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3127/3148876646_508bd28407.jpg

http://www.cjreport.com/files/mainimgs/elnaz.jpg

http://www.aina.org/images/renhakim2.jpg

http://www.persianmirror.com/Images/Articles/2074/SantooriPostersmall.jpg

Here's more about that ^ movie, to prove that that's about as Persian as Persian gets: http://www.persianmirror.com/Article_det.cfm?id=2074&getArticleCategory=79&getArticleSubCategory=127

Now, let's compare:

http://screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/prince-of-persia-jake-gyllenhaal2.jpg

[carrrnuttt]

I didn't even include Sarah Shahi, who played a WHITE woman on the TV show "Life."

[BlackLantern]

i love Sarah Shahi....yea her characters name was Dani Reese....Im still mad at NBC for cancelling that

[Hunter Rider]

I didn't say all anybody looked like anything.

If Persians look just like white people, whats the harm in casting a Persian or somebody from that general area then? I love Jake and believe that he will do a good job but he isn't a big star. He doesn't exactly bring people out to the theaters. Hell, if Prince of Persia has a bad run at the boxoffice my point will be proven even more.

Jake isn't a huge star but he is well known and very good PR for chat shows and magazine interviews, he's a smart casting choice imo as I feel that he looks pretty close to the game version, isn't such a big star that he overshadows the movie, but is a big enough star that ppl know him.

Man, I didn't mean to start a huge argument :csad: I just saw the trailer and thought, hmm, Jake looks silly. And not Persian or badass.

In truth the Prince has never been badass, he is more of a fop type.

No.

You were explaining how you were biased against the movie because of your own stereotyping of how Persians "should" look. It's a sign of a narrow and uneducated mind. Think of this as free schooling as I shock you into educating yourself about the world more, before you bring your pre-conceived notions into discussions where it doesn't belong.

Pay attention to what you wrote again:

Knock it off, reading back through these last few pages your rudeness to Pickles is not gonna fly here, I don't even agree with her but she has a right to a view the same as everyone else, and she has the right to give it without being condescended to by you or anyone else.

[BlackLantern]

the mods do back their own...even former ones....watch it carrrnuttt or HR will infract you for making a good point....

happened to me yesterday

[Hunter Rider]

the mods do back their own...even former ones....watch it carrrnuttt or HR will infract you for making a good point....

happened to me yesterday

That's ******** and you know it, your infraction yesterday had nothing do with our debate, I mean you had no point, you were just spitting your class system bile, your infraction was for posting a racially unacceptable word and you know it, so please be a man not a coward by trying to start ****.

[BlackLantern]

maybe Disney will come out with Dagger of Time toys...I want one

[carrrnuttt]

"They couldn't even find a Middle Eastern actor and had to pick the whitest white guy? How rude and insulting."

My original comment did have to do with the fact that it IS unfair in film not to at least cast the nationality that a movie is about...

Really? So did you care that an Australian played a Canadian? (Hugh Jackman), or that a Brit played an all-American icon? (Christian Bale)

How many foreign actors have been suggested to play Captain America? Are you upset that an Australian is playing a Norwegian God?

See, what you're not realizing is you're the one being "insulting," by assuming a "Middle Eastern" person is supposed to look a certain way.

the mods do back their own...even former ones....watch it carrrnuttt or HR will infract you for making a good point....

happened to me yesterday

Thanks for the warning.

I guess if calling out stereotyping disguised as cultural sensitivity/political correctness in here is being "rude," I guess I am one rude sonofa-B.

[Hunter Rider]

Really? So did you care that an Australian played a Canadian? (Hugh Jackman), or that a Brit played an all-American icon? (Christian Bale)

How many foreign actors have been suggested to play Captain America? Are you upset that an Australian is playing a Norwegian God?

See, what you're not realizing is you're the one being "insulting," by assuming a "Middle Eastern" person is supposed to look a certain way.

For starters you are at it again, she has l;eft this behind and I suggest you do the same, also if you'd read her post properly you'd see the first bit you go off on was a quote from her boyfriend, not her, so maybe you should PM him with your questions.

Also you do realize the most Persian people are a different colour to white people right? all those other examples are Caucasians no matter where they come from.

Personally I have no issue with the casting but it's not hard to see why others do, and your one man crusade to stop them having a view is getting tiresome.



Thanks for the warning.

I guess if calling out stereotyping disguised as cultural sensitivity/political correctness in here is being "rude," I guess I am one rude sonofa-B.

No, you don't need a warning, any infraction you may receive from me will be b/c you broke board rules, just because you think you have a point does not give you the right to address the person you are talking to like something you stepped in, there in lies the difference.

[AndThePickles]

Perhaps if I was actually upset about the issue, or if the comment had stemmed from something other than a joke in the first place, I'd debate about it. Jake is white, cast as a Persian man, and that's that. I hope he plays the role of the character well.

You've already stated that I'm uneducated and narrow minded, so I'd rather you keep that opinion rather than de-rail this thread any more than has already occurred.

[Anubis]

I'd just like to say that I don't particularly give a s**t either way.

[carrrnuttt]

Also you do realize the most Persian people are a different colour to white people right? all those other examples are Caucasians no matter where they come from.

The issue wasn't about ethnic background, modman:

My original comment did have to do with the fact that it IS unfair in film not to at least cast the nationality that a movie is about...

American...British...Canadian...Norwegian. All different nationalities. We've also established earlier in this thread, that in fact, Persians, especially of the royal set, were also Caucasian. In fact, the term "Aryan" is Persian.

ALL of this was already covered and [I thought] taken care of in this thread already. Some of it in direct response to ATP's earlier posts of a similar nature (so I don't need to blame her boyfriend about her viewpoints). This is why I find it supremely irritating that she'd bring in the same arguments at a time when those responses to her narrow mindset had already been forgotten.

So, the fact that she's all feeling PC about this movie all of a sudden, I find hypocritical, since she's not all up in arms about the other examples of Caucasians playing Caucasians I mentioned. You know why? Because she carries in her head a stereotype that people from the Middle East are supposed to look a certain way, or they have to be a specific ethnicity, therefore, Jake, a Caucasian man, cannot possibly represent someone from the area.

Oh, thanks for proving that you carry the stereotype within you as well. I used to date a Persian woman, and was good friends with an unrelated Persian guy. Both of them could pass for white people. At the very worst, at the gatherings I had seen, they'd pass for light-skinned Mexicans or Italians.

The stereotype you carry in your mind stems from modern Iranians. You can equate them with modern Mexicans, who look a certain stereotypical way, because they are generally European (Spanish) mixed with Aztec Indians. In the meantime, the Mexican soap operas show people that are Caucasian, because these people are generally still intact with pure Spanish blood, or at least have dominant Spanish traits.

Ancient Persia spanned all the way to Greece, hence the Greco-Persian wars. Despite what you saw in the movie "300," the fact of the matter is, it is actually more likely that the Persians in the actual battle were the light-skinned ones, while it was the Spartans that were a lot darker.

[TheVileOne]

Basically, Persians = white folk. So its all good.

[Hunter Rider]

The issue wasn't about ethnic background, modman:



American...British...Canadian...Norwegian. All different nationalities. We've also established earlier in this thread, that in fact, Persians, especially of the royal set, were also Caucasian. In fact, the term "Aryan" is Persian.

ALL of this was already covered and [I thought] taken care of in this thread already. Some of it in direct response to ATP's earlier posts of a similar nature (so I don't need to blame her boyfriend about her viewpoints). This is why I find it supremely irritating that she'd bring in the same arguments at a time when those responses to her narrow mindset had already been forgotten.

So, the fact that she's all feeling PC about this movie all of a sudden, I find hypocritical, since she's not all up in arms about the other examples of Caucasians playing Caucasians I mentioned. You know why? Because she carries in her head a stereotype that people from the Middle East are supposed to look a certain way, or they have to be a specific ethnicity, therefore, Jake, a Caucasian man, cannot possibly represent someone from the area.

Oh, thanks for proving that you carry the stereotype within you as well. I used to date a Persian woman, and was good friends with an unrelated Persian guy. Both of them could pass for white people. At the very worst, at the gatherings I had seen, they'd pass for light-skinned Mexicans or Italians.

The stereotype you carry in your mind stems from modern Iranians. You can equate them with modern Mexicans, who look a certain stereotypical way, because they are generally European (Spanish) mixed with Aztec Indians. In the meantime, the Mexican soap operas show people that are Caucasian, because these people are generally still intact with pure Spanish blood, or at least have dominant Spanish traits.

Ancient Persia spanned all the way to Greece, hence the Greco-Persian wars. Despite what you saw in the movie "300," the fact of the matter is, it is actually more likely that the Persians in the actual battle were the light-skinned ones, while it was the Spartans that were a lot darker.

Ooooooo "Modman" you're so badass. Most Persian's do not pass as white people, your misconception that they do is wrong, hence why most people don't think when they look at Jim Carrey "Gee he could be Persian" the bolded part is about the only accurate thing in this bloviation.......and YOU have missed the main point, your self righteous and pious drivel is tiresome and needs to stop now.

[carrrnuttt]

Most Persian's do not pass as white people...

PROVE it, "adminman." Don't forget, we ARE talking about PERSIANS, not Iranians. Not to mention, ANCIENT ROYAL PERSIANS. I have posted all kinds of proof and pictures to support my contention, which I learned from ACTUAL Persians, by the way. Where did you learn what you learned, to arrive at the conclusion that you did?

Just for further illustration, here's the last Shah of Iran, before the current Islamic statehood took over:

http://www.payvand.com/news/04/jan/shah-in-uniform.jpg

http://www.pixdaus.com/pics/12357857102UgbqGn.jpg

Hell, here's an interesting side-by-side someone made of the Ayatollah of Iran, the man who took power after the Shah:

http://www.aref-adib.com/archives/khomeini_connery1.jpg

Your turn. "Pious" as I may sound, at least I back my assertions with proof and knowledge. Show me that you aren't just reinforcing a stereotype to earn brownie points from a female member who also happened to be a former moderator. Show me that you are arguing against me because you carry some knowledge that I don't. Educate me.

By the way, without looking it up on Google, I bet you don't know what religion most Persians are, at least in the US. There's a reason why they all fled to the US when the Ayatollah took over, turning Iran into an Islamic state.

EDIT: Here are two popular depictions of Cyrus the Great, the founder of the Persian Empire:

http://activistchat.com/images/InSerachOfCyrusTheGreat.jpg

https://p9.secure.hostingprod.com/@www.ghandchi.com/ssl/KF/Pic-27-Cyrus.jpg

In the first one, he looks more like Gerard Butler in "300." I won't even start on the second depiction.

[bunk]

You're making a fool of yourself now.

[Hunter Rider]

PROVE it, "adminman." Don't forget, we ARE talking about PERSIANS, not Iranians. Not to mention, ANCIENT ROYAL PERSIANS. I have posted all kinds of proof and pictures to support my contention, which I learned from ACTUAL Persians, by the way. Where did you learn what you learned, to arrive at the conclusion that you did?

Just for further illustration, here's the last Shah of Iran, before the current Islamic statehood took over:

http://www.payvand.com/news/04/jan/shah-in-uniform.jpg

http://www.pixdaus.com/pics/12357857102UgbqGn.jpg

Hell, here's an interesting side-by-side someone made of the Ayatollah of Iran, the man who took power after the Shah:

http://www.aref-adib.com/archives/khomeini_connery1.jpg

Your turn. "Pious" as I may sound, at least I back my assertions with proof and knowledge. Show me that you aren't just reinforcing a stereotype to earn brownie points from a female member who also happened to be a former moderator. Show me that you are arguing against me because you carry some knowledge that I don't. Educate me.

By the way, without looking it up on Google, I bet you don't know what religion most Persians are, at least in the US. There's a reason why they all fled to the US when the Ayatollah took over, turning Iran into an Islamic state.

EDIT: Here are two popular depictions of Cyrus the Great, the founder of the Persian Empire:

http://activistchat.com/images/InSerachOfCyrusTheGreat.jpg

https://p9.secure.hostingprod.com/@www.ghandchi.com/ssl/KF/Pic-27-Cyrus.jpg

In the first one, he looks more like Gerard Butler in "300." I won't even start on the second depiction.

There isn't an ounce of proof here, you posted a bunch of pics just like you did before, and not many ppl would mistake any of them (real pics not drawings) as white.

My purpose in this thread wasn't just about your attack on Pickles, in case you hadn't noticed champ, most of this thread think you're a fool and are sick of you derailing it, that is why I'm here, now this is your last chance, I've been really lenient with your arrogant windbag ass, but my patience are wearing thin.

[Silver Knight]

Come on guys, lets steer back on topic please.

[AnorexicBatman]

You know. The people asking for Persian actors think they are all black/dark skinned.
This is a stereotype associated with all non-American races except Northern Europe.
And it's borderline racist.

[LastSunrise1981]

To be fair I understand where Carrrnutt is coming from to an extent. I believe he/she is stating that Hollywood shouldn't be ashamed of actually casting a Persian actor.

Persians have more of a darker complexion and perhaps they can say that in the film he is half Persian or something. But as a whole I understand where she's coming from in his/her statements. Perhaps people just need to calm down and actually understand what the person is saying?

I love the games and from what I've seen the film looks good.

[Hunter Rider]

To be fair I understand where Carrrnutt is coming from to an extent. I believe he/she is stating that Hollywood shouldn't be ashamed of actually casting a Persian actor.

Persians have more of a darker complexion and perhaps they can say that in the film he is half Persian or something. But as a whole I understand where she's coming from in his/her statements. Perhaps people just need to calm down and actually understand what the person is saying?

I love the games and from what I've seen the film looks good.

No, he's saying some Persian's look white and everyone who thinks they are darker is wrong and carrying a stereotype.

[Hunter Rider]

You know. The people asking for Persian actors think they are all black/dark skinned.
This is a stereotype associated with all non-American races except Northern Europe.
And it's borderline racist.

What about Eastern Europe? No one thinks of Romanians or Bulgarians being dark skinned.

[zanos]

Have ppl lost their minds? What difference does it make? It's a silly movie based on a silly video game. :rolleyes:

[CelticPredator]

THIS IS SPARTAAA!!111 Raaawwerr!

[AnorexicBatman]

Hey! How badass it would be if Leonidas fought the Prince?
It's be a stalemate. If the Prince has the dagger, he wins.

[carrrnuttt]

There isn't an ounce of proof here, you posted a bunch of pics just like you did before, and not many ppl would mistake any of them (real pics not drawings) as white.

One question. What ethnicity would you consider Greeks?

Consider that there in most states, the "ethnicity" portion of any questionnaire or application form can only consist of these:

Caucasian
Pacific Islander
Hispanic
Native
African
Other

With "other" being reserved for those with mixed ethnicities. So, with that, what ethnicity should a Greek person put themselves under?

[CelticPredator]

The Greeks ethnicty is AWWWEEEEESSSSOME. They have GLLOOORRRRY that RUUUUNS through their VAAAAAINNNNSSSS.....

[carrrnuttt]

Hunter Rider will probably attack the source, but here's the best explanation I can link to, as I remember it being explained to me: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090501061912AA1UArl

Are persian(iranian) people considered white?
i know people in soushern iran have dark skin, but my question is about ppl in the centre and north of iran.do u consider them white?

Yes Iranians are mostly white... you're right... southern parts of Iran has even African black inhabitants but as you travel upper and upper u see different types of people... for example south eastern Iranian look more like Pakistani, i don't mention Afgans because they areOriginal Persian too and they are considered white (except those mongolian Afgans, cuz look more mongols or chineese). in north eastern you can see people more like central asian (even with oriental eyes) countries like Uzbakistan. north and center of Iran has mostly white caucasian skin and western and north western parts you'll see white poeple also Turkish looks and Kurds. kurds who are considered as Original Persians therefore you can find Aryan Persians on north eastern - northern and central and northe western and western parts. at last you cant clasify Persians as Middle eastern because Middle easterns (refers to most arab countries + some northern African countries) has semitic origin and Persian have Aryan origin.

Middle eastern people are considered Caucasoid. This doesn't mean you have to have blonde hair and blue eyes--though actually a surprising amount of persians DO. (green eyes are common too.) Making them out to be ALL dark is just another stereotype--like all Irish have red hair (most are dark), English are blonde and Germanic looking (50% have brown hair/eyes),all Spaniards are dark--many are fair and even blue eyed esp in the north.

I'd like to know where some of the brainboxes on here imagine the ancestors of modern Europeans came from? Mars? Atlantis? Well, the fact is They came out of the near and middle east,with the last major migrations in the neolithic--around 6000-8000 years ago. They share many of the same dna types as the average Europeans or older types from which these haplogroups descended.

[carrrnuttt]

The Greeks ethnicty is AWWWEEEEESSSSOME. They have GLLOOORRRRY that RUUUUNS through their VAAAAAINNNNSSSS.....

I asked about the Greeks, because they can only classify themselves as Caucasian in the US, but in truth, none of the Greek people below will be called "White," which I assume Hunter Rider was referring to, when he said that the Persian people I linked to will never be mistaken for "White," yet every Persian I have ever met, classified themselves as "Caucasian."

http://www.thedctraveler.com/files/2007/03/greece-independance-party-2006-iii.jpg

[Hunter Rider]

You seem to be of the mistaken view that this is solely about your tiresome one man crusade, of which I have told you to drop it on several occasions.

One question. What ethnicity would you consider Greeks?

Consider that there in most states, the "ethnicity" portion of any questionnaire or application form can only consist of these:

Caucasian
Pacific Islander
Hispanic
Native
African
Other

With "other" being reserved for those with mixed ethnicities. So, with that, what ethnicity should a Greek person put themselves under?

Greeks tend to look more Hispanic then any other option there.

[Dr. Evil]

Did someone mention the Greeks? Alexander the Great was a badass.

Also, casting Jake G was a bit of a smart move on Bruckheimer's part. I'm very curious to see how Jake does in a mainstream, big budget studio movie. He's done a lot of smaller films in his career, some of them to critical acclaim. This movie will determine if he can carry a bigger film.

[Hunter Rider]

I asked about the Greek, because they can only classify themselves as Caucasian in the US, but in truth, none of the Greek people below will be called "White," which I assume Hunter Rider was referring to, when he said that the Persian people I linked to will never be mistaken for "White," yet every Persian I have ever met, classified themselves as "Caucasian."

http://www.thedctraveler.com/files/2007/03/greece-independance-party-2006-iii.jpg

Fine, take white and black out of it, Persian people look Persian, so even if it is a version of white and classed under Caucasian there is still no mixing a Persian man up with an Aussie or an American Caucasian, however the latter two are impossible to tell apart unless they speak.

[Dr. Evil]

If this film turns into a big flop, Jake will continue to do critically acclaimed smaller films.

[carrrnuttt]

You seem to be of the mistaken view that this is solely about your tiresome one man crusade, of which I have told you to drop it on several occasions.

Right. Because when you are of a differing opinion as someone else, you can only resort to threatening them, instead of educating them on your position, or at least attempting to prove yours.

You haven't educated me on your position, so I'll leave this debate with the realization that I've proved my point--and you haven't.

Oh, and Persians disagree with you. :awesome:

[AnorexicBatman]

Jake was chosen not because he's white. He was chosen because he's a crowd puller.
Name one Persian actor who is a crowd puller.

[Hunter Rider]

Right. Because when you are of a differing opinion as someone else, you can only resort to threatening them, instead of educating them on your position, or at least attempting to prove yours.

You haven't educated me on your position, so I'll leave this debate with the realization that I've proved my point--and you haven't.

Oh, and Persians disagree with you. :awesome:

No I'm not threatening you I am telling you what will happen, you keep ignoring the earlier warning I gave you on how you address others and how you are spoiling a thread for the other posters here, but keep trying to make this about your little anal retentive mission to make Persian's into something they aren't.

I've made my point over and over and you keep trying to make out that b/c Caucasian covers a lot of ground that somehow Persian's can easily be mistaken for Americans which is bs.

I couldn't educate someone as arrogant as you and you have not proven anything, all you have done is ruin this thread for others and attack posters giving their view.

[carrrnuttt]

I've made my point over and over and you keep trying to make out that b/c Caucasian covers a lot of ground that somehow Persian's can easily be mistaken for Americans which is bs.

*sigh*

You keep asking me to leave this alone, yet you use your position of authority to push a WRONG conclusion. An unproven, unbacked conclusion at that? There is no intellectual context I can think that will allow me to leave this dangling, just because you threatened me and my "crusade." Do you not have an agenda of your own you're attempting to push on people?

What about the two responses above? Care to comment? One of them claims to be a pure Iranian (the 2nd response).

Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race


In 19th century physical anthropology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_anthropology), represented by some as being scientific racism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism), the "Aryan race" was considered a subgroup of the Caucasian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race) (or Europid) race, essentially corresponding to the speakers of Indo-European languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages) native to Europe, Persia and Northern India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_India).


Your turn. Prove your assertion, or you simply prove yourself as intellectually bankrupt, and willing to let yourself be pushed by "conventional wisdom," whatever that means. Take it to PMs if you want to clear this thread.

[Hunter Rider]

*sigh*

You keep asking me to leave this alone, yet you use your position of authority to push a WRONG conclusion. An unproven, unbacked conclusion at that? There is no intellectual context I can think that will allow me to leave this dangling, just because you threatened me and my "crusade." Do you not have an agenda of your own you're attempting to push on people?

What about the two responses above? Care to comment? One of them claims to be a pure Iranian (the 2nd response).

Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race



Your turn. Prove your assertion, or you simply prove yourself as intellectually bankrupt, and willing to let yourself be pushed by "conventional wisdom," whatever that means. Take it to PMs if you want to clear this thread.

Your links prove that Persian's are classed as Caucasians not that they are easily mistaken for American's b/c they aren't, end of story. My only agenda is to rid this thread of you but I will not do it by perpetrating a lie on your behalf and being part of a falsehood that Persian's are easily mistaken as American's.

You are not in trouble for disagreeing with me, do you really think you are the first person to step up and play intellectual wannabe? No you aren't even close to the worst cases here, you need to go back though and amidst your bloating take a look at your tone with other posters and maybe then you will see why I am here at all.

[carrrnuttt]

Oh, to show you that Persians disagree with you and ATP's stereotype about Persians: http://www.persianesquemagazine.com/2009/09/10/movie-disneys-prince-of-persia-the-sands-of-time/

Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, described as ”an epic action-adventure set in the mystical lands of Persia”, is about a “rogue prince (played by Persian-looking Jake Gyllenhaal) who reluctantly joins forces with a mysterious princess (Gemma Arterton)” and they ”race against dark forces to safeguard an ancient dagger capable of releasing the Sands of Time—a gift from the gods that can reverse time and allow its possessor to rule the world.”

Check out this page: http://www.persianesquemagazine.com/2009/11/23/video-eating-healthy-with-k-von/

http://www.persianesquemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/k-von-healthy-food.jpg

Here's the caption under that ^ picture:


Iranian-American Comedian: K-von


Should we send an email to this Persian publication that they have no idea what a Persian looks like, courtesy of SHH and [one of] its admins?

[Dr. Evil]

With a huge budget for this film, they had to cast someone in the lead that a lot of people know and that was Jake. People know who he is and he's a good actor. If they wanted to cast an unknown, the budget of the film would have been a lot smaller.

People know who Jake Gyllenhaal is, and they will watch this movie because of him.

[Hunter Rider]

Oh, to show you that Persians disagree with you and ATP's stereotype about Persians: http://www.persianesquemagazine.com/2009/09/10/movie-disneys-prince-of-persia-the-sands-of-time/



Check out this page: http://www.persianesquemagazine.com/2009/11/23/video-eating-healthy-with-k-von/

http://www.persianesquemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/k-von-healthy-food.jpg

Here's the caption under that ^ picture:



Should we send an email to this Persian publication that they have no idea what a Persian looks like, courtesy of SHH and [one of] its admins?

Sure you can send the E Mail if you like. :oldrazz: That guy does look more white than any other you have shown so far, so I guess you make your point that some Persian's could pass as White Americans, congratulations.

[RachelDawes]

The following guys look completely white to me. Take off their turbans and they would look like American college professors IMO:

Former Iranian president Khatami (http://images.google.com/images?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS338US338&sourceid=chrome&q=khatami&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi)
Grand Ayatollah Khamenei (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS338US338&um=1&ei=SUMUS_esKqmLnAeL7pjrAw&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=1&ct=result&cd=1&q=khamenei&spell=1&start=0)

[Erundur]

Sean Connery for Ayatollah Khamenei

[Asteroid-Man]

carrrrrrrrnut, Rachel Dawes, and any other poster claiiming that Persians are caucasian (esp. carrrnut) stfu. You're grasping at straws here. You are intentionally looking for persians that kind of look white and most of them don't. First of all, if you look beyond skin colour and look at the facial features of those people, you can see that they are indeed obviously Persian. Persian's skin colours go from white as snow to black as night. SURPRISE!!!! Even when I stress the facial features, those still differ. Think about all of the interracial relationships that have happened since the wars and alliances with the arabs, the assyrians, the babylonians, the many greeks, the romans, the indians, the africans. The list goes on. In terms of eye colour, again there is green, blue, hazel, orange/light brown (like me), brown, dark-dark brow or even grey like my great uncle. Even hariness differs. I **** on the head of any Persian calling themselves Caucasian or even Middle-Eastern because frankly they are not Caucasian, that would be generalizing the rest of the entire Persian population around the globe and those calling themselves Middle-Eastern are still looking at the world through a primative Euro-Centric way. Welcome to the 21st century; where unity in diversity is the norm. Two sides here talk **** like they know what a Persian looks like. Some say brown and hairy while others say caucasian. The original issue wasn't what he looked like, because frankly if he spoke Farsi to me I wouldn't be surprised (hell his character is even nammed after an Albino Prince from the Epic "Shahnameh") but that he is not Persian in descent. There were many other actors that could and should have been picked (like M.R.G.) but JG is picked, and I don't care anymore as this is Hollywood, the capitalist empire run by many racist jewish executives who refuse to cast anyone of any other ethnicity. Society has progressed at a rate much faster than Hollywood and they need to catch up. Brando brought this to their attention many times in his life (since the 70s) and they've chosen to ignore it. What's done is done. Drop it. If either side says anything, don't reat to the other acting as an inciting goad.

Sorry for my rant, this is just becoming really irritating.

[Project862006]

jake looks exactly like the prince get over it

[omid17]

^ thank you

[omid17]

btw A-Man take a chill pill man

[Asteroid-Man]

People need to learn that Persians aren't caucasian. They also need to know that the original concern was that a non-Persian was cast not that he looked or didn't look like the Prince. (PS, if you think Jake looks like the prince you're blind. His hair isn't even the right colour and his eyes are droopy.) I do however feel that he will do a fantastic job in the role regardless. I'm excited to see the film.

[FaT_tONle]

The race thing is just not gonna go away. I mean you don't see the Wachowski's casting caucasians in Ninja Assassins. I give them props. But Hollywood can avoid this controversy by doing itself a favor and going overseas for actors in these types of films. Maybe even bring in some foreign film makers if you are reluctant to cast foreign leads. I just appreciate more authenticity, and guys like Bruckheimer seem to do anything but that.

[omid17]

People need to learn that Persians aren't caucasian. They also need to know that the original concern was that a non-Persian was cast not that he looked or didn't look like the Prince. (PS, if you think Jake looks like the prince you're blind. His hair isn't even the right colour and his eyes are droopy.) I do however feel that he will do a fantastic job in the role regardless. I'm excited to see the film.

The race thing is just not gonna go away. I mean you don't see the Wachowski's casting caucasians in Ninja Assassins. I give them props. But Hollywood can avoid this controversy by doing itself a favor and going overseas for actors in these types of films. Maybe even bring in some foreign film makers if you are reluctant to cast foreign leads. I just appreciate more authenticity, and guys like Bruckheimer seem to do anything but that.you guys bring up some good points, but hey it was Disney and big buget movie, so im not surprised with them getting Jake for the role and i think they did a nice job tryin to make him look like the Prince, im fine with it and like said before im happy with what we're gettin

[carrrnuttt]

carrrrrrrrnut, Rachel Dawes, and any other poster claiiming that Persians are caucasian (esp. carrrnut) stfu. You're grasping at straws here. You are intentionally looking for persians that kind of look white and most of them don't. First of all, if you look beyond skin colour and look at the facial features of those people, you can see that they are indeed obviously Persian. Persian's skin colours go from white as snow to black as night. SURPRISE!!!! Even when I stress the facial features, those still differ. Think about all of the interracial relationships that have happened since the wars and alliances with the arabs, the assyrians, the babylonians, the many greeks, the romans, the indians, the africans. The list goes on. In terms of eye colour, again there is green, blue, hazel, orange/light brown (like me), brown, dark-dark brow or even grey like my great uncle. Even hariness differs. I **** on the head of any Persian calling themselves Caucasian or even Middle-Eastern because frankly they are not Caucasian, that would be generalizing the rest of the entire Persian population around the globe and those calling themselves Middle-Eastern are still looking at the world through a primative Euro-Centric way. Welcome to the 21st century; where unity in diversity is the norm. Two sides here talk **** like they know what a Persian looks like. Some say brown and hairy while others say caucasian. The original issue wasn't what he looked like, because frankly if he spoke Farsi to me I wouldn't be surprised (hell his character is even nammed after an Albino Prince from the Epic "Shahnameh") but that he is not Persian in descent. There were many other actors that could and should have been picked (like M.R.G.) but JG is picked, and I don't care anymore as this is Hollywood, the capitalist empire run by many racist jewish executives who refuse to cast anyone of any other ethnicity. Society has progressed at a rate much faster than Hollywood and they need to catch up. Brando brought this to their attention many times in his life (since the 70s) and they've chosen to ignore it. What's done is done. Drop it. If either side says anything, don't reat to the other acting as an inciting goad.

Sorry for my rant, this is just becoming really irritating.

Being a Persian yourself, I respect your opinion. However, most of what I know is based on Persians I knew and their families. The Persian girl I dated, I thought was white, at first. She had green eyes. They were Christian, and had been in the US since they fled Iran in 1979, and I was always "just her brother's friend," as she'd never be allowed to date non-Persians, if any of that means anything. I also take into account the other stuff I quoted from other Persians, especially the fact they state that Northern Persians are pretty much white (quotes repeated at the end of this post, in case you missed them). Not to mention the Persian online mag I quoted that specifically calls Jake "Persian-looking."

We can only argue from the positions we know about, and this is what I have known up to this point. Look at the pictures of the Greek people I posted. They look more "exotic" than any of the Persians posted in this thread.

You're in a position to educate me further than what [I think] I know. I asked for that from HR, but he wasn't in a position to top my sources. You are, so feel free. PM me if you wish.

Yes Iranians are mostly white... you're right... southern parts of Iran has even African black inhabitants but as you travel upper and upper u see different types of people... for example south eastern Iranian look more like Pakistani, i don't mention Afgans because they areOriginal Persian too and they are considered white (except those mongolian Afgans, cuz look more mongols or chineese). in north eastern you can see people more like central asian (even with oriental eyes) countries like Uzbakistan. north and center of Iran has mostly white caucasian skin and western and north western parts you'll see white poeple also Turkish looks and Kurds. kurds who are considered as Original Persians therefore you can find Aryan Persians on north eastern - northern and central and northe western and western parts. at last you cant clasify Persians as Middle eastern because Middle easterns (refers to most arab countries + some northern African countries) has semitic origin and Persian have Aryan origin.

Middle eastern people are considered Caucasoid. This doesn't mean you have to have blonde hair and blue eyes--though actually a surprising amount of persians DO. (green eyes are common too.) Making them out to be ALL dark is just another stereotype--like all Irish have red hair (most are dark), English are blonde and Germanic looking (50% have brown hair/eyes),all Spaniards are dark--many are fair and even blue eyed esp in the north.

I'd like to know where some of the brainboxes on here imagine the ancestors of modern Europeans came from? Mars? Atlantis? Well, the fact is They came out of the near and middle east,with the last major migrations in the neolithic--around 6000-8000 years ago. They share many of the same dna types as the average Europeans or older types from which these haplogroups descended.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

At first I thought Jake just looked like some white guy dressing up as the Prince for Halloween, but the movie looks too awesome to get hung up on that. I've gotten used to his look now.

Focus on what is, not what isn't.

[omid17]

:up:

[RachelDawes]

The race thing is just not gonna go away. I mean you don't see the Wachowski's casting caucasians in Ninja Assassins. I give them props. But Hollywood can avoid this controversy by doing itself a favor and going overseas for actors in these types of films. Maybe even bring in some foreign film makers if you are reluctant to cast foreign leads. I just appreciate more authenticity, and guys like Bruckheimer seem to do anything but that.

I would love it if Hollywood would be bolder in its casting choices but I don't think there's yet been much incentive to be. Outside of internet message boards are many people complaining about a non-Persian prince?

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^The answer is probably not because most don't know that the movie exists yet.

[XxDelta09xX]

At first I thought Jake just looked like some white guy dressing up as the Prince for Halloween, but the movie looks too awesome to get hung up on that. I've gotten used to his look now.

Focus on what is, not what isn't.

Agreed.:woot:

[Dr. Evil]

^The answer is probably not because most don't know that the movie exists yet.

They will if a trailer is shown during Super Bowl Sunday, which is possible.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^I hope one is and I hope and and other people respond well to it.

[The Apatow Crew]

Point blank right here. They're not gonna invest what 150 million or so into this and not get a big name star they can market.

Most of the time a name will sell the movie. I said most of the time. so don't everyone throw a fit. When people invest this amount of money they expect to get it back, plus much more.

What do you think is gonna sell better in the US? A movie that has a name most people know of or a unknown guy from a different country no one knows about in the US?

I know its not right, but that's just business. The movie business is about making money. If you have a 150 million and wanna cast a unknown in your film and possibly not make your money back go right ahead. It's all whether you want your film to succeed at all.

[omid17]

^ Exactly

[ttotheusher]

I actually see the casting of JG as a throw-back to the good old days of the Harryhausen Sinbad movies. Aside from The Golden Voyage.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

JG looks like the Prince.

He sounds like him, too.

That's all I need, as far as what I want from his performance being in line with the game.

The action looks spot on, as far as how he moves around.

[BlackLantern]

no one complained when Johhny Weismuller was clean shaven and short haired playing Tarzan

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Nobody complained about Yuri Lowenthal.

I kinda heard a little about the complaints of Nolan North.

[dark_b]

(PS, if you think Jake looks like the prince you're blind. His hair isn't even the right colour and his eyes are droopy.):lmao:

[AnorexicBatman]

Jerry should have filmed his son playing the game
Then the fans would be happy!!

[RachelDawes]

Point blank right here. They're not gonna invest what 150 million or so into this and not get a big name star they can market.

Most of the time a name will sell the movie. I said most of the time. so don't everyone throw a fit. When people invest this amount of money they expect to get it back, plus much more.

What do you think is gonna sell better in the US? A movie that has a name most people know of or a unknown guy from a different country no one knows about in the US?

I know its not right, but that's just business. The movie business is about making money. If you have a 150 million and wanna cast a unknown in your film and possibly not make your money back go right ahead. It's all whether you want your film to succeed at all.

I'm curious to see how Thor will do with a complete unknown in the lead.

[dark_b]

I'm curious to see how Thor will do with a complete unknown in the lead.
they have the guy who played Hannibal . they have Portman. they have Stellan Skarsgård.

:dry:

[nocomics]

jake looks exactly like the prince get over it
This.

[RachelDawes]

POP has a pretty well-known supporting cast as well, but they wanted a famous lead. Thor's hero isn't known to anyone except film geeks. I want to see how that works out for them.

[Deaths Head II]

I think the Thor tactic is the same as the one they had with Christopher Reeves as Superman. Hire someone relatively unknown but get some well known supporting actors to make up for it.

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah, they've got a pretty damn impressive cast with Thor and they've made up for a relatively unkown in the lead.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

they have the guy who played Hannibal . they have Portman. they have Stellan Skarsgård.

:dry:

I want to know who bases which movies they see off how famous the lead actor is.

If a movie looks awesome, I'm seeing it.

[BlackLantern]

I'm curious to see how Thor will do with a complete unknown in the lead.

and Kenneth Branagh helming

[Asteroid-Man]

Being a Persian yourself, I respect your opinion. However, most of what I know is based on Persians I knew and their families. The Persian girl I dated, I thought was white, at first. She had green eyes. They were Christian, and had been in the US since they fled Iran in 1979, and I was always "just her brother's friend," as she'd never be allowed to date non-Persians, if any of that means anything. I also take into account the other stuff I quoted from other Persians, especially the fact they state that Northern Persians are pretty much white (quotes repeated at the end of this post, in case you missed them). Not to mention the Persian online mag I quoted that specifically calls Jake "Persian-looking."

We can only argue from the positions we know about, and this is what I have known up to this point. Look at the pictures of the Greek people I posted. They look more "exotic" than any of the Persians posted in this thread.

You're in a position to educate me further than what [I think] I know. I asked for that from HR, but he wasn't in a position to top my sources. You are, so feel free. PM me if you wish.
:facepalm:

The issue that people were concerned about wasn't what he looked like, it was the mere fact that he is NOT Persian. He's not even from the same CONTINENT!!! No joke I would have preferred an Arab or a Malaysian actor who looked just as much like the Prince for the mere fact that they at least TRIED to hire someone even REMOTELY close.

You seem to stick to your point that many Persians look white and I never denied that, in fact I said it's true due to the history behind the people. Let me make this more clear. THE ISSUE WAS THAT HE IS NOT PERSIAN!!!

Again, I don't really care but this has turned into an argument as such:

"I don't like that lamp because it was made in a Chinese sweat shop"
"But it looks exactly the same."
"But they are not the same as one is made in China."
"But they look the same."

:whatever: I give up. PM me if you care to, otherwise I'll just be adding you to my ignore list. (That would make you the lucky THIRD poster to be on my list of ignorees!!!)