The Future of Venom

[Wolvenom2099]

I am a huge Venom fan, I know everyone has their opinions on venom but I was wondeing what everyone thinks what the future holds instore for venom. Everyones opinion is welcome. I'm a newbie & I'd like to get to know everyone & how things work around here. :)

[The Question]

Rotting in the ground. That's pretty much it. And maybe someone will grave rob him for his fillings.

[THANOSRULES]

Venom will be a marvel staple for years...unfortunatley he is pretty psychotic and dangerous , so we will probably see some More fake deaths, different hosts, etc...But Im sure he'll always come back.

IGN just voted him the number 1 Spiderman villian and he will probably appear in the new Movie.

I think he'll be around for a long time.

[The Question]

Yeah. Unless he becomes a zombie or something, not likely. He's dead, and The Scorpion has his symbiot.

[krec99]

the future is venom is unknown eddie brock last i checked was lying in a church with his wrists cut .and for the suit it was last seen on the scorpion i hope it dont stay on him its just wrong if venom appears in the movie there a good chance that venom will be back with brock too in the comics.

[Red]

He'il come back, symbiot and all.

[Wolvenom2099]

I really hope so, eddie is the one & only true venom & I hope he will be in the movie.

[Colossal Spoons]

Wait, how the heck did Scorpion get the symbiote from Brock?

[twinkle]

Venom will be a marvel staple for years...unfortunatley he is pretty psychotic and dangerous , so we will probably see some More fake deaths, different hosts, etc...But Im sure he'll always come back.

IGN just voted him the number 1 Spiderman villian and he will probably appear in the new Movie.

I think he'll be around for a long time.

Meh, that just proves that IGN doesn't know anything. :)

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Brock auctioned it off an' when Fortunato's son got offed Scorpion got it.

[Colossal Spoons]

Did Brock desperately need money or something?

[Wolvenom2099]

He came to terms with him having cancer & he sold the venom suit for a church orgnaization or something like that. After he learned about angelo dying he slit his wrists & thats all we know.

[DBM]

Did Brock desperately need money or something?

No. He found God, and decided to sell the symbiote in order to raise money for charity.

[Wolvenom2099]

He sold the suit for 100 million dollars.

[Colossal Spoons]

Wow, I never would have guessed that's how Venom would end up. Who'd he sell it to? It's notthe kinda thing you just auction off with cars and boats. What comic/issue was this in?

[The Question]

Did Brock desperately need money or something?


Here's the deal:


Brock was a devoit catholic. Always has been. He's just also bat**** crazy, which is why he used the suit to skill Spidye. Eventually, he realized the error of his ways after seeing some religious movie (most likely the passion). He auctioned off his suit to the mob, and some mobster's son bought it so he could be some big bad underwolrd badass.. The kid fought Spider-Man, killed a bunch of people, and then the suit abandoned him and he fell to his death. Brock, after hearing about this, commited suicide out of guilt. The suit then found The Scorpion and bonded with him.


Wow, I never would have guessed that's how Venom would end up. Who'd he sell it to? It's notthe kinda thing you just auction off with cars and boats. What comic/issue was this in?

It was in Mark Millar's Marvel Knights Spider-Man run. Good read, although the ending was rather cliche.

[Colossal Spoons]

Have we seen what Scorpion with the suit on looks like?

[Wolvenom2099]

The thing is that in the comic it didn't show eddie dying but there hasn't been any word otherwise since.

[The Question]

Have we seen what Scorpion with the suit on looks like?


Yeah. It's more or less the same, except we can see his eyes surrounded by the white eyes of the suit, and the spider design on the chest is changed a bit.

[Wolvenom2099]

Venom III (The Scorpion) http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/images/venom3/venom3_last_stand.jpg

[Red]

*Shudders* It hurts to look

[Genesis 1.0]

I think they need to get it off Scorpion, hell bring back Riley and let him have it with a grudge against Pete.

[XwolverineX]

I think they need to get it off Scorpion, hell bring back Riley and let him have it with a grudge against Pete.


I want Ben to awake from th' dead and have th' symbiote attach to him. He could be th' JT of Spidey's universe.

[Wolvenom2099]

I just viewed the marvel universe strenght levels & it had venom at 10 ton & scorpion at 15 ton. Since scorpion is stronger than venom according to that wouldn't scorpion as venom be higher than 15 ton?

[Iambaytor]

Eddie is gonna be back, come on superheroes and villians die all the time. More than once have we actually seen a character die who came back. Norman Osbourne alone has died several times. So why should we believe that Eddie Brock, who was seen dyING is truly dead. I mean I know it hasn't said anything against it, but you can survive slitting your wrists and Marvel has to realize that Eddie Brock is a much more popular Venom than the Scorpion (Or that stupid ass female Venom). Also, what is with the symbiote hate lately, first Carnage now Venom.

On the subject of Carnage I didn't read that issue of New Avengers, is Cledus Cassidy still alive or was he with the symbiote when Sentry ripped it apart.

[The Dude]

I just viewed the marvel universe strenght levels & it had venom at 10 ton & scorpion at 15 ton. Since scorpion is stronger than venom according to that wouldn't scorpion as venom be higher than 15 ton?

Plausably. But I always thought that Venom was stronger than Scorpion in the first place. Guess I was wrong.

[HNutz]

On the subject of Carnage I didn't read that issue of New Avengers, is Cledus Cassidy still alive or was he with the symbiote when Sentry ripped it apart.

I don't remember seeing Cletus there.... but I could be wrong.

[Wolvenom2099]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sentrycarnage.jpg This is the link to the pic of sentry ripping apart carnage.

[Colossal Spoons]

Venom III (The Scorpion) http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/images/venom3/venom3_last_stand.jpg

Did he put the symbiote over his Scorpion suit or is he naked under there?

[Wolvenom2099]

His scorpion suit was auctioned off.

[Colossal Spoons]

Jeez, who else auctioned their suit!? lol

What's the story with Scorpion's suit?

[Wolvenom2099]

That was the last heard of the scorpion suit, now mac gargan aka scorpion aka Venom III sits in a cell with the venom symbiote.

[kieron39]

venom III???
who was venom II?

[Wolvenom2099]

Angelo Fortunato was venom II, he was in Marvel Knights Spider-Man #7 & #8. Here is a link to a pic of him. http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/images/venom2/killing.jpg

[Silver Sable]

Off topic but Stan Lee said himself he's against major villains getting killed and if they disappear for a while, eventually they will return somehow

[Shockdingo]

I'm against major killings also, it's too much these days

[Shadowknight]

Yeah. Unless he becomes a zombie or something, not likely. He's dead, and The Scorpion has his symbiot.
Spoiler for Marvel Zombies:
Venom does appear as a zombie, though he looks normal with the suit on, though you only see his head.

As to Brock, does anyone care if he wears the suit? He's not interesting at all, the only real Venom is the suit itself. If it decided to go solo without a host, great. Just go back to the "Spider-Man" look like Micheline wanted instead of McFarlane's decision to give it a mouth and claws. As to the Scorpion, I want the Scorpion as the Scorpion, dangit! Even if you consider him B-list, it leaves a bigger hole in Spider-man's rogues gallery than Kraven (who I liked a lot).

[XwolverineX]

Spoiler for Marvel Zombies:
Venom does appear as a zombie, though he looks normal with the suit on, though you only see his head.

As to Brock, does anyone care if he wears the suit? He's not interesting at all, the only real Venom is the suit itself. If it decided to go solo without a host, great. Just go back to the "Spider-Man" look like Micheline wanted instead of McFarlane's decision to give it a mouth and claws. As to the Scorpion, I want the Scorpion as the Scorpion, dangit! Even if you consider him B-list, it leaves a bigger hole in Spider-man's rogues gallery than Kraven (who I liked a lot).


I hate th' suit of Scorpion. Just HATE it.

[Shadowknight]

I hate th' suit of Scorpion. Just HATE it.
Do you mean Venom-Scorpion? Or Scorpion-Scorpion?

[XwolverineX]

Do you mean Venom-Scorpion? Or Scorpion-Scorpion?



Yeah I didn't type that properly.


I was tryin' to say I hate th' suit on Scorpion.

[Wolvenom2099]

What does everyone think of the new look for venom? I know marvel is trying something new with that but I think it just isn't right.

[Trigger]

What new look? The scorpion combination?

[Wolvenom2099]

Yeah, Venom II (Angelo) & Venom III (Scorpion) look alike, the original I think is still the best.

[Iambaytor]

If Angelo was Venom II then what the **** was that one chick with the other venom symbiote.

[Wolvenom2099]

Wasn't that like a fake venom suit or something, ya know it wasn't the real thing? You also gotta remember venoms wife or eddies wife was also venom & so was spider-girl.

[Shadowknight]

I think a piece of Venom's tongue had gotten cut off, and they cloned her suit from that. I think the suits merged together by the end of the series.

[Iambaytor]

Oh, never finished that series. Thought it was moronic and the art was too cartoony.

[Vanguard07]

They should bring back Doppleganger and put the suit on him. That way it'd practically be JUST the suit's personality since Doppleganger was practically mindless and it'd be pretty damn fierce. i imagine it'd look pretty cool too unless they do it closer to the newer two looks than the original.

[Wolvenom2099]

Doplleganger was the son of carnage, I don't know how the suit would do on him, it could be a good idea but who knows now days with marvel f'n up everything.

[Vanguard07]

He wasnt the son of carnage. That was Toxin. Doppleganger was the alien copy of spiderman that Magus created during the infinity war. Basically he looked like Spiderman but with the Symbiote-like mouth, and six arms (with each hand with three clawed fingers) and he shot razor sharp barbed webbing. And it wasnt a costume. he actually looked like that. Carnage and Shriek "adopted" Doppleganger during the Maximum Carnage series near the end of which Carnage killed him to punish Shriek for killing without Carnage's permission.

[SpideyInATree]

The future of Venom could have been really cool if they didn't cancel his most recent title a few years back. :(

[superkong 500]

Oh after reading a lot of the posts on this thread, I can say that marvel has **** up one of their greatest creations and one of spidey's greatest villains, suit auction, scorpion with the suit, and scorpion being stronger than venom, those are the lamest most stupid things I've ever heard.

I mean he auctioned a living organism and the suit accepted just like that, who the hell wrote that piece of crap of a story:mad: and btw that new scorpion venom looks lie a clown he's no venom, bring back brock

[SpideyInATree]

who the hell wrote that piece of crap of a story:mad: and btw that new scorpion venom looks lie a clown he's no venom, bring back brock

Mark Millar is the man you're looking for.

[Wolvenom2099]

Oh after reading a lot of the posts on this thread, I can say that marvel has **** up one of their greatest creations and one of spidey's greatest villains, suit auction, scorpion with the suit, and scorpion being stronger than venom, those are the lamest most stupid things I've ever heard.

I mean he auctioned a living organism and the suit accepted just like that, who the hell wrote that piece of crap of a story:mad: and btw that new scorpion venom looks lie a clown he's no venom, bring back brock

All the venom fans feel your pain & would agree with you.

[Wolvenom2099]

The future of Venom could have been really cool if they didn't cancel his most recent title a few years back. :(

I agree with you, I thought it was a great series & should have continued on. I loved the cover art work in the series & the entire series was deffinitely a great read.:venom:

[Roughneck]

I just viewed the marvel universe strenght levels & it had venom at 10 ton & scorpion at 15 ton. Since scorpion is stronger than venom according to that wouldn't scorpion as venom be higher than 15 ton?


Theoretically it would have been much coooler had he left the Scorpion suit on under the Symbiote.

[stillanerd]

Here's what I'd like to see happen with Venom: Spidey manages to make the symbiote leave Mac Gargan. Unfortunately, the symbiote escapes and bond with someone else, but we don't know who yet. Spidey thinks it's Brock, until he learns that Brock is in the hospital, recovering from his suicide failed suicide attempt. Then Spidey encounters Venom again, and learns that it's new host is...Flash Thompson.

[the_ultimate_evil]

it could be worse it could have bloody stayed on wolverine

[rjb182]

Does anyone have a web address for one of these Evil Overlord Super-Suit Auctions? And is there one coming to my town??

Dibs on Magneto's helmet!

(Really, you'd think charity would prefer you um, NOT giving away your alien symbiote to someone who's likely to kill the people they're helping. But that's just me...)

[storyteller]

Normans plan for scorpion was for him to wear a new and improved suit but scopion was approached by the symbiote and now the symbiote enhance the super powered scorpion. though scorpion is still as dumb and since he really doesnt hate spiderman(i mean in the sense that brock did) he isnt fighting the same way. I hope a good writer brings this new venom back as more of a real threat(or hero who knows).

[Wolvenom2099]

I think a cool futuristic design for venom would be changing the spider on his chest to look like the one on spider-girls black costume but with a little extra edge. I also thought costume of Venom 2099 was cool looking.

[Genesis 1.0]

Oh after reading a lot of the posts on this thread, I can say that marvel has **** up one of their greatest creations and one of spidey's greatest villains, suit auction, scorpion with the suit, and scorpion being stronger than venom, those are the lamest most stupid things I've ever heard.

I mean he auctioned a living organism and the suit accepted just like that, who the hell wrote that piece of crap of a story:mad: and btw that new scorpion venom looks lie a clown he's no venom, bring back brock

Meh, let Brock rest and bring back Reily as the new Venom, the story writes itself so there's less chance of some douche bag screwing it up.

[Red]

it could be worse it could have bloody stayed on wolverine

It bonded with Wolverine?

[Wolvenom2099]

It bonded with Wolverine?

Here is a link to a pic of the venom symbiote on wolverine (Wolvenom) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Wolvenom.jpg

[Genesis 1.0]

I think that would have been an interesting turn, mini-series length but the man has too much on his plate as it is. Heh, at least it made him taller for a little while.

[supermarvelman]

Meh, let Brock rest and bring back Reily as the new Venom, the story writes itself so there's less chance of some douche bag screwing it up.


That would be the greatest thing ever

[Wolvenom2099]

^I have to agree, it would be a good idea. If not that then at least it would make a great what if comic.

[supermarvelman]

Bring Reily back any way you can, as Scarlet Spider, Venom anything just bring him back.

[Wolvenom2099]

^I agree I miss Reilly, I wish they would at least bring him back as the scarlet spider but bringing him back as venom would be one helluva story arc I think.

[supermarvelman]

Here's what I'd like to see happen with Venom: Spidey manages to make the symbiote leave Mac Gargan. Unfortunately, the symbiote escapes and bond with someone else, but we don't know who yet. Spidey thinks it's Brock, until he learns that Brock is in the hospital, recovering from his suicide failed suicide attempt. Then Spidey encounters Venom again, and learns that it's new host is...Flash Thompson.

Thats another good idea for Venom

[Vanguard07]

I'd have enjoyed the venom symbiote on Kraven or something. A mind like Kravens but WITH super powers? *shudders*
The Ben Reilly idea might be cool too though. But i think if you bring back Ben you gotta bring back Kaine too. Kaine was my favorite thing about the whole Clone story-arcs.

BTW is there an active Kraven now? who is he?

[littleredhat]

Hi I'm the new girl.:)


Well onto the matter at hand. With eddie dead for now and the Scorpian most likly a temporary host who should join with the spider obsessed alien next?

Here are a few of my candidates but be sure to post yours too.

Mary-Jane.Why? It has been revealed that the alien is "in love" with Peter and will do anything to join with its first host. Just as eddie's strong feelings for spider-man attracted the alien to him(along with his tasty cancer aparently)MJ strong feelings for her husband will be very atractive to venom. And by attaching to the one that spider-man is closest to it will be able to get access to the object of its "affections". It may even attempt to impress peter by protecting his wife. It would be a very diffucult problem for Peter. And may even allow him to finally feel sypathy for the creature he so brutally rejected so long ago if he gets to hear first hand accounts from his wife's mouth.

The Hulk. Now this would just be cool. And they just might be the friend that they've both been looking for. ^_^

[Vanguard07]

... you know what?

I F***ing LOVE that MJ idea. I wasnt aware that the symbiote loved peter. I thought it just hated him cause he rejected it. But if it's true then that seems like a freakin AWESOME story

[Silverstein]

Venom 2 would technically be more lethal than Venom. Because Scorpion didn't care about "innocents", and didn't have any honor. Also, Venom 2 should technically be stronger than Venom (the suit amplifies the wearer's stregnth and Scorpion already has super stregnth). He'd even have a new power....As scorpion can shoot acid right? The suit would learn how to recreate acid.

The only thing that balances it out is that he may not know that Peter is Spider-man now.


I still think Brock is better though.

[rodhulk]

I'd like him back at some point.

[littleredhat]

Thank you Vanguard.:O

Not only would joining with MJ cause the most trouble for Peter it would also give the alien plenty of opertunites to feed off of Peter's adrenilene before it was discovered.

Plus it would creep ol' webhead out like nothing has before.:spidey:

[Shockdingo]

Littleredhat; You area genius, why isn't MArvel hiring people like you? I'd love to see Brock back,but that idea could be an awesome idea!
I'd just like to see Brock again, he's been written off into God-knows where for all this time. You'd think a character as popular as him would at least get some mention.

[Silverstein]

Actually, he's right. That is an awesome idea, littleredhat. Venom is arguably one of Spidey's most dangerous enemies not only because he knows who Peter Parker is, but because he can dodge the spider sense and blend in.

So if his worse enemy was actually his wife, that would be awesome!! He would hear police reports about Venom running around at night. And he'd see things written on the walls in his bedroom like "Lookout, Parker.." But then he'd finally figure it out because she'd write "Lookout, Tiger.." on the wall in lipstick. And she'd be behind him or something in the Venom costume.

(stress from modeling would allow her mind to accept the symbiote I guess. and then it would drive her temporarily insane...)

[littleredhat]

Yes it could be stress. But don't forget the alien's first trick,it can hide its presence from its host.

MJ wouldn't even know the thing was on her until it was too late and by then it would have effected her mind into accepting it. At least partailly.

Remember that the alien's main goal is access to Peter so it will do its very best to remain hidden so it can continue to feed off of him through MJ. It won't reveal itself unless it has to.

Oh and I do think Brock should come back.And maybey the scorpein/venom too. They should act like jilted husbands angrilly demanding the alien back but the alien "loves their spider" and refuses to leave a host that spider-man cares for in turn.
Peter will be so disturbed by the ordeal that he will have to get very drunk and sleep on Johnny Storms couch.:P

One things for sure it'll be hell getting it off her.

[Silverstein]

I would buy that just to see MJ beat the snot out of Eddie Brock and Scorpion and throw Peter out of a window. That would be awesome. It's like MJ versus everyone. haha

[Shockdingo]

OH man who wouldn't love a comic strip of Brock and gargan storming up to MJ and Pete's place
"And when I see parker I'm gonna-" Brock howled.
Suddenly an explosion of glass startled the pair. A single, battered body harshly crashed into the ground.

"What the?! Parker?!" Brock gasped in confusion.

"I'm not done with him yet!" A distorted female voice commanded.

Sudeenly a female figure, clad in a second skin of black lept towards the trio.

[Silverstein]

Yes!!! That's what I want. And excuse me for saying this, but MJ would look quite sexy in the Venom costume. (I'm thinking more of a Spider-Woman style costume than a "Bride of Venom" costume)

[Red]

Just me thinking out loud here but if marvel wanted to bring Eddie back, what I would suggest is something like.

Peter discovers Brock in hospital recovering from his recently suicide attempt. Then Brock reveals to him that he’s dieing and that the symbiote is the only thing that can save him. So Peter conflicted with his hate and sympathy for Eddie decides to get the symbiote back. He breaks gargan out of prison and, tells the symbiote he wants it back that he wants to merge with it again, of course Peter is lying. The symbiote merges with Peter again (yay black suit!). He takes it back to Eddie, they become Venom and turn of Peter. They fight Venom gets away.

[Shockdingo]

That(if done right) could really be a great and powerful issue.

[Vanguard07]

The way i see it is Spiderman would come home and find Venom in his house and he'd immediately attack it. Venom would attempt to defend himself but wouldnt actively fight back untill Peter realizes somethings wrong and stops. The symbiote peels back to reveal MJ underneath. There's a brief pause. Peter faints.
Over the next couple days they try to get it off of MJ untill some supervillain or other attacks Avengers tower (possibly that Tracer guy). Spiderman is caught off guard and temporarilly taken down. Venom rushes to defend parker and brings Tracer down. MJ thrilled by the adrenaline rush starts to like the symbiote (due to it's influence on her mind) and when they get close to removing it she freaks out resists them and escapes the tower. They try to find it but cant.
Now the MJ/Venom is lurking in wait planning on how to make Spiderman accept it. It's crazy and it loves him so it wont hurt him but instead it's attacking everyone in his life out of insane jealousy. The Avengers (one by one without warning), Aunt May, etc. It tries to kill everyone except Peter untill Peter is finally forced to actually fight it.
Spiderman and MJ Venom have their final showdown in the living room of their apartment in Avengers tower with Aunt May pinned to the wall by Venom's webbing. Spiderman despite his resolve just cant go all out on his wife and loses.
After Beating Peter MJVenom moves to kill Aunt May and pauses at the last moment. MJ is fighting the symbiote's influence and wont let it kill Aunt May. Peter lends support as she struggles against it untill IM and the Avengers burst in and Capture MJ. Eventually Tony finds a way to remove the symbiote from MJ and her and Peter set out to pick up the pieces of what she's done.

[littleredhat]

That would make a good climax but I would rather have the alien be more stealthy and keep itself hidden for at least a little while.

That way its more of a shock for Peter. This sort of story demands at least six issues if not more.

But it would be worth it for all the angst,humur, and strangness this story would provide.

Man I'm lovin this. An insanly possesive VenoMJ beating up any perseived threat to "our tiger" and sexually harrassing a creeped out Peter.:) :)

Priceless.

[Silverstein]

But at the very end of that.....As Peter and MJ are walking away. She stops to get her keys. A panel close up showing her hand reaching for the key. Another close up panel showing that her hand is just out of reach. The final panel shows a black liquid come out of her sleeve and pull the keys to her hand. Peter says "Hurry up, MJ" and we only see the words "We're coming.."

[stillanerd]

Hi I'm the new girl.:)


Well onto the matter at hand. With eddie dead for now and the Scorpian most likly a temporary host who should join with the spider obsessed alien next?

Here are a few of my candidates but be sure to post yours too.

Mary-Jane.Why? It has been revealed that the alien is "in love" with Peter and will do anything to join with its first host. Just as eddie's strong feelings for spider-man attracted the alien to him(along with his tasty cancer aparently)MJ strong feelings for her husband will be very atractive to venom. And by attaching to the one that spider-man is closest to it will be able to get access to the object of its "affections". It may even attempt to impress peter by protecting his wife. It would be a very diffucult problem for Peter. And may even allow him to finally feel sypathy for the creature he so brutally rejected so long ago if he gets to hear first hand accounts from his wife's mouth.

The Hulk. Now this would just be cool. And they just might be the friend that they've both been looking for. ^_^

There was a What If issue where the Black Costume symbiote DID lacth itself onto the Hulk.

As for MJ becoming Venom...awesome idea.:up: It brings a real psychological edge, plus, since it feeds off of a person's inner most negativity, the MJ/Venom would feel a twisted love/hate relationship towards her husband/enemy. On top of that, once Spidey manages to free his wife from the suit, there would be intense psychological trauma. It would also be a very dark story. She was already so emotionally scarred when Brock/Venom that she forbidded Peter from ever wearing the black costume again. If she is ever bonded to the symbiote, she would feel absolutely violated, probably in the same sense a rape victim would feel. Peter has felt what it was like to have someone he loved be killed because of a villain and felt indirectly responsible for it, however to have someone experinece real physical and psychological trauma and survive is something altogether more painful and something he'd feel even more guilt-ridden about, especially if the Venom symbiote was involved. I appluad you for such an intriguing premise, littleredhat. :)

[stillanerd]

Here's another possible candidate for Venom's future host: Betty Brant. You've got the angle that she's Peter's first girlfriend and who, deep down, is still very much in love with Peter--after all, it's alledged they once had a one-night when Betty was seperated from her husband. She also blames Spider-Man for being indirectly responsible for the death of her brother and of her late-husband Ned Leeds, so right there is a love/hate complication. She also would feel extremely jealous towards MJ, feeling that she "stole" Peter away from her. Also, she'd have bitter feelings towards Flash Thompson because she once had an affair with him and could've felt rejected by him. And lets not forget J. Jonah Jameson and having to put up with him for so many years. She'd also go after Doc Ock because he was the one who got her brother involved with defending a mobster, so she'd want revenge that way. Also the Hobgoblin for having framed her husband. The symbiote would bring up all of this if it bonded with her. Plus, it would be a chance to explore a supporting character that hasn't been given much to work with for a very long time.

[littleredhat]

I feel that we've already seen the terror that the alien can cause through hate.

But love can be just as destructive.

I can picture VenoMJ locking Peter up in order to "protect" him and going out to fight crime herself with horrific results.

And I agree the trauma would be intense.

This creature could manipulate MJ into accepting it in a varity of ways. Bribing her with glimses into her husbands mind,giving her the rush of finally experincing her husbands power.

[Iambaytor]

I can picture VenoMJ locking Peter up in order to "protect" him and going out to fight crime herself with horrific results.

Yeah, have MJ/Venom go on a violent vigilante killing spree while Peter's stuck at home for whatever reason. But soon bloodlust takes over and she starts killing people who didn't commit crimes, have some of New York's vigilantes take a crack at her for this (Ghost Rider, Punisher, Toxin, not Wolverine, I think we've seen enough of him for a millenia) then, as always happens when a symbiote goes on a rampage, Nick Fury steps in to kick some ass, but as per usual, Fury gets taken down (what's important is keeping this from turning into a huge crossover event, no X-Men, no Avengers) then have Eddie waking up in a hospital bed and seeing the damage this new Venom has caused and realizing that the world is much better if he has the suit. So he seeks out MJ/Venom, but the symbiote has become quite attatched to its new host (no pun intended), so Eddie goes and finds Peter, and together the two of them manage to get the suit back on him where it bonds once again as Peter and MJ go to deal with all that has happened.

[Silverstein]

VenoMJ would be cool. The whole black widow aspect of her raping Peter is kind of traumatizing for him.

[Silverstein]

Well you can't have her kill too many people because this would only be a mini series or a small story arc. I actually like the idea of her keeping the costume for a while. So at the end Eddie thinks he has the costume, and goes off somewhere. Thanking Peter. And then Peter makes a deal with him that he can never come back now that Peter has helped him get the symbiote back.

But he doesn't have the whole costume. MJ still has part of it. So in a later arc, Eddie comes back in search of the rest of the costume. But VenoMJ doesn't want to give it up so she takes on Venom.

So Venom would begin to find VenoMJ more of an enemy than Parker.

[Shockdingo]

I like the idea involving Brock Iambaytor. Man all this talk makes me want this to bt an animated DTV instead of a comic now :p

[Red]

That(if done right) could really be a great and powerful issue.

Thats why I hope they do.

[IronSpidy]

Does anyone else think Marvel is creating a whole new look and persona for Venom?

[Red]

Saddly yes.

[IronSpidy]

Awesome, when do you think we will see it? When SM3 comes around?

[Red]

I can't see Venom appearing fully myself until 4.

[UK_Stu]

Some intriguing ideas here...

I'm not a big Venom fan to be honest and would be quite happy to not see him appear ever again. But if he was to re-appear I would hope it would be in a similar way to the way he originally appeared. People are right, Venom is in love with Peter, but like Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction, couldn't let go of him, after they separated. So has a love/hate relationship. Keep Brock dead and let the new host be someone else like who has a this type of relationship - MJ and Betty and possibly Flash are good ideas.

Bringing Ben Reilly back as Venom, would be like Jason Tood as the Red Hood - lame

[Shockdingo]

Plus, I don't think the symbiote can bond to dead tissue( or that it'd want to) plus....didn't he like...turn into dust? It's been a while but I don't remember there being a body.

[IronSpidy]

I can't see Venom appearing fully myself until 4.Do you really think Venom wont appear in the comics until Spider-man 4? I find that hard to belive.:spidey:

Who else thinks Marvels developing a new look for Venom?

[Miss Webb]

Kinda a tough question. I always found the complex relationship with the symbiote and Peter interesting, but everyone seems to have run out of ideas...unless with some new twist Venom makes a play for Pete again. The symbiote never 'got over' him, anyway.

[Genesis 1.0]

Venom bonded with Hulk as someone suggested would probably result in the death of just about any character he came into contract with, too much power in one place with that, not to mention another mental influence on Banner would push him so far off the edge that he'd never make it back.

[supermarvelman]

Kinda a tough question. I always found the complex relationship with the symbiote and Peter interesting, but everyone seems to have run out of ideas...unless with some new twist Venom makes a play for Pete again. The symbiote never 'got over' him, anyway.

They kinda did already in mk spidey

[IronSpidy]

Whats the overall outlook as to when of should I say if Venom will return? Has there been any hints regarding a new look/persona for Venom?

[iambilly81]

i would like to think he would be back before the next movie.......notice, they had a big doc ock story line right before the second movie started up.

[IronSpidy]

True, but we dont know if Venom will be in 3...

That has me worried.

[supermarvelman]

yea they're even holding back on Venom for a while, Marvel said the recent video game was enough of Venom for the moment.

[IronSpidy]

Thats dispointing if Sandmans the only bad guy. I dont think we will be able to carry the whole movie. SM3 needs Venom.

[supermarvelman]

Hobgoblin and Sandman as the villians, the introduction of Gwen Stacy and the introduction of the symbiote.

[stillanerd]

Venom bonded with Hulk as someone suggested would probably result in the death of just about any character he came into contract with, too much power in one place with that, not to mention another mental influence on Banner would push him so far off the edge that he'd never make it back.

Actually, as I mentioned before, there was a What If issue (Vol. 2, #4) in which the Hulk was possesed by the Venom symbiote in:

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,what_if_v2,004.jpg

I believe this might be the Hulk version:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/earthspideykeptsymbiote3.jpg

Oh, and it also managed to possess...The Mighty Thor!
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/earthspideykeptsymbiote4.jpg

Naturally, things weren't exactly pretty in this version of the Marvel Universe. There's a whole subheading devoted to it here:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/earthspideykeptsymbiote.htm

[supermarvelman]

Venom bonded with Hulk as someone suggested would probably result in the death of just about any character he came into contract with, too much power in one place with that, not to mention another mental influence on Banner would push him so far off the edge that he'd never make it back.

If he went on to hulk and left him i dont know why but if he did would he keep hulk like powers when he found a new host.
Wasnt there a what if where the symiote went onto Hulk then Thor

[supermarvelman]

opps a little late

[IronSpidy]

Hobgoblin and Sandman as the villians, the introduction of Gwen Stacy and the introduction of the symbiote.Is the introdction of the symbiote an indication of Venom in SM4?

[supermarvelman]

its just my opinion on how i think things could end up but yes it would be a set up for part 4
I know most everybody will disagree with me and its been discussed over and over but i think Topher is gonna be the Hobgoblin not Harry, I think they'll hold off on the return of the Green Goblin maybe for part 5.

The Lizard and Venom for part 4

Does anyone think John Jameson will become Ware-wolf by Night, at first it seemed like he was maybe gonna be Venom but that would be stupid.

Does anyone think Doc Ock will return, I think he will.

[IronSpidy]

How about a return to the comics? I dont think he will be gone for another 4 years..

[supermarvelman]

I dont know, he might be the villian in part 3.

[supermarvelman]

I dont think it would be a good idea to bring Venom in the movie when he might not even be alive, and he's not even Venom. In the past couple years Venom was used very much His mini the Venom/Carnage mini that introduced Toxin, he was used in Spectacular Spider-man and Marvel Knight Spider-man most recently. So i think he has a lot of rest timand maybe start bringing him back about 1 or 2 years before past 4

[Cyclops]

They're bringing Harry Goblin in in some way shape or form, and he's been dead for thirteen years.

[supermarvelman]

But Norman is still around which is even better, you got Scorpion running around in the Venom suit, its coolbut it just doest seem right if there bringing Venom back in the movie.
Your totally positive there bringing him in as the Goblin.

[Cyclops]

They're going to make him SOME sort of Goblin. If you don't know that after Spider-Man 2, then you really weren't paying attention.

[supermarvelman]

Of course i noticed how couldnt you notice, but that doesnt mean he will be any kinda Goblin in part 3, he found the stuff that doesnt mean he'll wear it yet.

[Red]

Do you really think Venom wont appear in the comics until Spider-man 4? I find that hard to belive.:spidey:

Who else thinks Marvels developing a new look for Venom?

You are twisting my words thats not what you asked me.

[IronSpidy]

Is John Jameson Peters boss? I think your idea is cool about Lizard and Venom for movie 4 and Sandman and Hob for 3. Either way we still are ganna get Venom!!

[UK_Stu]

Can we stick to the topic? This isn't the thread to discuss and speculate about Spider-man movies.

[Cyclops]

You really don't know anything at all about the Hype, do you? Straying off topic is the one thing we're actually good at.

[Genesis 1.0]

Actually, as I mentioned before, there was a What If issue (Vol. 2, #4) in which the Hulk was possesed by the Venom symbiote in:

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,what_if_v2,004.jpg

I believe this might be the Hulk version:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/earthspideykeptsymbiote3.jpg

Oh, and it also managed to possess...The Mighty Thor!
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/earthspideykeptsymbiote4.jpg

Naturally, things weren't exactly pretty in this version of the Marvel Universe. There's a whole subheading devoted to it here:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/earthspideykeptsymbiote.htm

Dude, that's what I was discussing. If it bonded with Banner in continuity then there's going to be alot of dead people and not one green corpse among them.

[supermarvelman]

Can we stick to the topic? This isn't the thread to discuss and speculate about Spider-man movies.

At least I'm talking about Venom, I know I'm in a comic book tread, but it doesn't specifically state that cant talk about the future of the Venom from the movies.

[Wolvenom2099]

If venom is deffinitely going to be in SM3 will this boost up his character in the marvel universe as in possibly a new mini series, more appearances & new action figures?

[IronSpidy]

Yes, that has a good chance of happining. If Venom in is SM3 he will def be back in the comic game.

[SpideyInATree]

If venom is deffinitely going to be in SM3 will this boost up his character in the marvel universe as in possibly a new mini series, more appearances & new action figures?

If Venom is in the third movie it's pretty much a given that the character in the comics will get some spotlight. Look at what went down with Goblin and Doc Ock. They got some serious spotlight in the comics due to the movies. :o

So expect to see a lot of Sandman stories in the coming year.

[IronSpidy]

True, that. There will be a major push for Sandman in the comming comics.

[Wolvenom2099]

Well I guess eddie brock is dead for sure, check out the venom (eddie brock) profile on marvel.com

[Joker]

Quesada actually said at a panel Brock isnt dead

[TheCorpulent1]

Doesn't really matter either way. "Dead is dead" no longer applied just a few months after Quesada said it.

[iambilly81]

no way brock is dead. im even willing to bet he kept some of the suit for him self in a way. what if venom had another child. and brock kept it.

ya never know. or what if the suit he gave gargon is the new suit... it looks different , maybe for a reason.

[Wilderbeast]

give the symbyote to kaine or ben reiley.

[SpideyInATree]

Quesada actually said at a panel Brock isnt dead

And not to mention that Spider-Man 3 will have Eddie Brock in it. And we all know how Marvel loves to rearrange their comics to meet some of the movie buzz.

[Shockdingo]

Indeed, so it could be good or bad, depending on several things.

[Langoth]

I personally would rather Brock be back, as Gargan annoys the **** out of me.

[Wolvenom2099]

Venom III (Mac Gargan) is a part of Battleworld, I don't know what that is but you can check it out on his profile. http://www.marvel.com/universe/Venom_%28Mac_Gargan%29

[Vanguard07]

give the symbyote to kaine or ben reiley.

If they brought Kaine back that'd be awesome. Kaine was so cool. And he's one of the few people aside from brock who i would actually enjoy seeing with the symbiote.

Another is Doppleganger. I've been wanting them to bring back that loveable scamp for ages. And i've been wanting to see him get a symbiote for just as long. It'd be something to balance out his huge disadvantage against spiderman (being mindless i mean) which would make him a seriously cool creature.

[SpideyInATree]

I personally would rather Brock be back, as Gargan annoys the **** out of me.

I just find it funny how most fans seem to be annoyed by the symbiote being bonded with Gargan...yet the only appearance of the symbiote/Gargan relationship is in Millar's Marvel Knights run.

And his next appearance will be in the Beyond miniseries.

You guys are VERY easily annoyed. :o

[Wilderbeast]

If they brought Kaine back that'd be awesome. Kaine was so cool. And he's one of the few people aside from brock who i would actually enjoy seeing with the symbiote.

Another is Doppleganger. I've been wanting them to bring back that loveable scamp for ages. And i've been wanting to see him get a symbiote for just as long. It'd be something to balance out his huge disadvantage against spiderman (being mindless i mean) which would make him a seriously cool creature.

yea, it's why he came to mind, Kaine was one of the coolest and overloked characters in the comic book world.

[TheCorpulent1]

I just find it funny how most fans seem to be annoyed by the symbiote being bonded with Gargan...yet the only appearance of the symbiote/Gargan relationship is in Millar's Marvel Knights run.

And his next appearance will be in the Beyond miniseries.

You guys are VERY easily annoyed. :o
You're just now learning this? :confused:

[SpideyInATree]

You're just now learning this? :confused:

Yes. :)

And now I know your weakness.

And if you're thinking about mindwiping me. I wear a helmet like Magneto...ALL THE TIME!! :eek: