5.20 - Fade (Spoilers)

[Super_Ludacris]

Oh and lol@ Brainiac and Luthour being Message buddies sending smilies and **** to each other "lol" and :P indeed

[GothicPowerMix1]

Any good?

You decide my Friend

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Clark saves guy

Same guy then a few Minutes later kills someone

Then after Opening Credits Lois is playing some Video Games, Clark comes home

He automatically thinks its Lionel & then after talking to Chloe he ends up thinking it was Lex because Lex said he would like to find some "Common Ground" & try to start being Friends again

Killer guy goes to Clarks house

Clark goes to Mansion & talks to Lex but instead ends up seeing Lex & Lana making out

Meanwhile our Killer Guy meets Lois at Clarks house & they end up liking each other & Clark had already returned the stuff to the stores

Killer Guy invites Clark to a Club

Killer Guy tries hooking Clark up with a Chick & Clark refuses when she walks up to him

Clark tells Killer Guy about his break up with Lana & that now shes getting with Lex Luthor

Lex walks in Mansion

Lanas there

Lex tells Lana that hes been looking up info on Fine & that so far everything Fine has told him about who he works for is turning out not true at all

Killer Guy first try at killing Lex fails at the Mansion fails because Lana walks in

Clark goes to see Lex at the Hospital Lanas there

Lana discribes the guy who attacked Lex to Clark

Clark knows automatically that its our Killer Guy

Clark goes to Chloe who uses her Super Computer & can find almost no information on this guy but with some info they were able to put the pieces together that he was in Kansas day of the Meteor Shower & thats how he got the power

Killer Guy (while invisible) at the Planet over hears their entire conversation & has an angry face

Then we cut to Lois in her apartment with her in the Shower she thinks someones there & then she answers front door & its Clark. Clark warns her to stay away from Killer Guy & Lois gets pissed about Clark meddling in

Clark uses Super Hearing to hear Killer Guy & notices that Killer Guy just left

Clark chases after him

Killer Guy brings out Green Kryptonite

Now Chloe visits Lois & she asks if shes seen Clark

Its Chloe to the rescue

Lois says that he has left not to long ago so they go ot hoping hes near by looking for him

They eventually see a Jacket buried into the ground

They pull up Clark from being buried

Lois sees Chloe remove the Kryptonite from inside Clarks Jacket

Clark wakes up

Clark Super Speeds to the Hospital first chance he gets

Lana vists Lex

Killer Guy attacks both

Lex shoots a bunch of bullets at walls hoping to shoot whatevers attacking him

Killer Guy comes back from being invisible to visible again & hes bleeding

Lex & Lana run (empty Hospital hallways)

Killer Guy aims to shoot them & he shoots the bullet

Clark Super Speeds in & he stops the bullet & Killer Guy is taken care of

Lex & Lana turns around & Lana thanks Lex for saving her

We see Clark with the bullet in his hand

Lois shows up at the Kents House & have a convo with Martha

Clark shows up at the Planet to congratulate Chloe on her first Front Page News Story

& behold another Clark & Lana in the barn Scene at the end of an Episode

Clark tells Lana that she can not trust Lex

Lana basically tells Clark to go to hell (well she obviously did not use these words but you would get the Picture)

& now Two Episodes left of the Season

If I am forgetting anything else feel free to add in guys

[Red]

Nope thats about it. What was "Killer guys" name again?

[GothicPowerMix1]

I forgot which is why I used Killer Guy & you know me being able to post that in less then a Minute (I just started typing it & then simply went along with what I remembered) This just prooves that this is NOT the type of Show you need to give your 100 % attention to & posting here while the Show is on takes NOTHING AWAY. :o

[KalKai]

Post that in less than a minute? sure, lol.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Post that in less than a minute? sure, lol.

A) I am a fast typer

B) Its not like the Episode is a few days Old so most of it should be fresh in Peoples mind

[KalKai]

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[GothicPowerMix1]

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Guy - "Did I just see a guy in a Red Jacket Fly pass us"

Woman - "Nah"

Guy - "K"

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Lois looks great in this pic :up:

[KalKai]

YES, lots of Lois today, lol.

[Red]

This episode made me think, just how many barn Scene at the end of an Episode has their been between Clark and Lana? Must be at least 50.

[AgentPat]

This episode made me think, just how many barn Scene at the end of an Episode has their been between Clark and Lana?Dunno, but I'm hoping that one was the last...

[Red]

Dunno, but I'm hoping that one was the last...

Hopfully afterall, Lex doesn't have a barn :p

[Super_Ludacris]

They'll always be loft scenes with both of them. It's the signature of the show. Dont be mad

[GothicPowerMix1]

Hopfully afterall, Lex doesn't have a barn :p

Who knows Lex might get one made for Lana

[Nautica7mk]

Thanks for the caps.

They'll always be loft scenes with both of them. It's the signature of the show. Dont be mad
It's sad that it's become a signature that divides fans apart. Scenes like that should be something we should look forward to, but now it's become something I roll my eyes at whenever it occurs. I could put a different barn scene of them together and I wouldn't notice the difference. They talk about the same issues over and over again.

[Red]

They'll always be loft scenes with both of them. It's the signature of the show. Dont be mad

I'm not mad, just pointing out that they are overused.

[GothicPowerMix1]

They talk about the same issues over and over again.

Only difference this time is Lana is the one Growing Up :o I liked how she practically told Clark to go to Hell. I guess it will be another 5 Years for Clark to get his act together

[celldog]

The red jacket and blue jeans......is Clark Billy Batson now?? LOL He where's that everyday.


And boy....do they go out of their way to get Lois as wet as possible and in as little clothing as possible.

[Super_Ludacris]

Thanks for the caps.


It's sad that it's become a signature that divides fans apart. Scenes like that should be something we should look forward to, but now it's become something I roll my eyes at whenever it occurs. I could put a different barn scene of them together and I wouldn't notice the difference. They talk about the same issues over and over again.

The fans whine too much about it. Its such a minor thing, plus its a teen show and as the 2 lead characters there the main point of the show (sorry, its not just about Superman). It amazes me how people forget that.

[AgentPat]

They'll always be loft scenes with both of them. It's the signature of the show. Dont be madWho, me? LOL I'm not mad. I'm relieved it's over. :p

[Nautica7mk]

The fans whine too much about it. Its such a minor thing, plus its a teen show and as the 2 lead characters there the main point of the show (sorry, its not just about Superman). It amazes me how people forget that.
I've long past thinking of this show as a prequel to Superman. I just watch the show as is and if there's a connection I like, I give it a clap. Overall, while I'm not against scenes that feature Clark and Lana, they should at least do something different.

Only difference this time is Lana is the one Growing Up. I liked how she practically told Clark to go to Hell. I guess it will be another 5 Years for Clark to get his act together
Her maturity is questionable. She may have genuine feelings for Lex but her rebound rate when it comes to guys astounds me.

[rumpuso]

She never gave Clark a chance. He went to say something and she cut him off.

I still dont understand how she can be giving Clark all the time in the world and love him so much and then a couple of weeks later be head over heels in love with Lex.

The girl has issues.
I came away from this episode really shaken about Lana and her motivations. It felt as if Lana was not only mean spirited about the whole thing, but perhaps also out to actually harm Clark. She just felt like a different Lana, and I don't know this one at all. I do know, however, that Clark made a very good choice by letting her go. She seems unstable and would not be the correct person to share his secret with.

(And Serene, if you are reading this, what was your impression of Lana last night?)

[Super_Ludacris]

Hey as a Lana fan, I dont care who she's with as long as there some cred brought to the character y'know. And seeing as how I like Lex too, I'm all for it....

but lol@ all of you thinking Clark and Lana are over. It's Smallville people.

[rumpuso]

Apparently not, I ventured over there for the first time ever today when someone asked me to look at something and I was horrified to see the level of sheer stupidity that was running rampant there. It makes these forums look like a MENSA gathering. It's like an entire site of disgruntled Joss Whedon fans and teenage girls who wouldnt know Superman from a hole in the wall. No wonder that place has the rep it does in some circles.
Yes, that's it exactly. Trying to inject common sense into so much immaturity is pointless really, now that I think about it. I just left there trying after posting a few rebuttals to their nonsense. I tried to tell them that this episode was NOT all about Chloe. They see what they want to see I guess.

[Super_Ludacris]

I came away from this episode really shaken about Lana and her motivations. It felt as if Lana was not only mean spirited about the whole thing, but perhaps also out to actually harm Clark. She just felt like a different Lana, and I don't know this one at all. I do know, however, that Clark made a very good choice by letting her go. She seems unstable and would not be the correct person to share his secret with.

(And Serene, if you are reading this, what was your impression of Lana last night?)


Again lol@ people acting like she's a real person.

The fact that in this show as a young person who's been in confused and disorientated situations for 5 years, been abandoned and the one guy she loves is always holding out and lying, it gets to the point where she's gonna lash out. It happens, no big deal.

[Super_Ludacris]

Yes, that's it exactly. Trying to inject common sense into so much immaturity is pointless really, now that I think about it. I just left there trying after posting a few rebuttals to their nonsense. I tried to tell them that this episode was NOT all about Chloe. They see what they want to see I guess.


Who we talking about again?

[celldog]

How can she be blind? Because all of her friends, including Clark, dont tell her ANYTHING about what Lex has done. All Clark says is "you can't trust him" instead of going into detail about it and giving her a real reason to doubt Lex's intentions. And you have to remember she WAS skeptical of him at the beginning of the season. So it's not like she's been all-trusting all the time. It's just that certain circumstances as well as Lex's smooth talking have made her go the other way.


Great points!! Don't forget Clark's gutless lack of honesty with her about his secret, over the last 5 seasons. :supes:

[AgentPat]

The red jacket and blue jeans......is Clark Billy Batson now?? LOL He where's that everyday...It amazes me how much that baad-ow-fit bothers people LOL. That's the character. That's what he wears. And those are his colors. He could be wearing something even more "silly" y'know? It would still be bright blue and red, and it would be the SAME in every episode... *ahem* :p

[rumpuso]

Again lol@ people acting like she's a real person.

The fact that in this show as a young person who's been in confused and disorientated situations for 5 years, been abandoned and the one guy she loves is always holding out and lying, it gets to the point where she's gonna lash out. It happens, no big deal.
You're right. I think I get too emotionally involved in these fictional characters since this is the only show I've followed for 5 years straight. I just love the show, but I do realize that she isn't real. (Still didn't stop me from giving Lana the stink-eye for hurting Clark's feelings though :) )


KalKai, I loved the caps you posted. Thanks for that! Would you or someone else who knows how to do screen caps mind capturing that scene with Clark and the hooker on the roof. His face flickered through so many expressions before it landed on *shock* after it finally dawned on him that this woman was a woman of the night. It was a precious scene. Made me melt.

[KalKai]

but lol@ all of you thinking Clark and Lana are over. It's Smallville people.

lol @ you if you think they're gonna get back together, it's also the 5th/6th season. Al Miles want to move on with Clark & Lois in the 6th.

[AgentPat]

but lol@ all of you thinking Clark and Lana are over. It's Smallville people.They're "over" as a couple. Take that one to the bank. She'll always be a part of his life, however, which is fine by me.

[BaK]

Liked it.. :)

But it did bother me slightly that they are making Lana have a bit
too much of "that loving feeling" state of mind all over the place already..

wish I haven't been spoiled by seeing "that" kiss..
so I could react more like Clark did, like being hit in the stomack..
what a pleasurable show this is - when it makes you to want that..

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[BaK]

They're "over" as a couple.
why do I think I've seen this before ?

naah.. must have been "seeing" things again.. like that fat lady.. brrr..

[Super_Ludacris]

They're "over" as a couple. Take that one to the bank. She'll always be a part of his life, however, which is fine by me.

Oh as a couple I've heard that the writers say there done of course. I've heard them say it before. Watch what happens midway through season 6 when they run out of material. They may not be back together in this form as a couple but the show aint over when it comes to Clana interaction.

[Serene]

(And Serene, if you are reading this, what was your impression of Lana last night?)
Not the same as pretty much everyone else's. :) But, that's to be expected. *sigh*

Do I like that she is hurting Clark? Not at all.. I HATE it. But I do understand her anger at him, even though it's misguided. That's the thing about misguided though.. she doesn't even KNOW she's misguided. I thought it was sort of ridiculously considerate of her to let Chloe talk her into making sure Clark heard about her and Lex from her before anyone else. Gotta say.. at this point, if you are her.. do you really give a **** how he finds out? I don't. He kicked her to the curb, end of story. She's a bigger woman than me.

Oh.. the putting away of the telescope made me tear up. I thought that was nicely done.

I do find it interesting how it's always cute and gutsy when Lois rags on Clark and it's seen as "not putting him on a pedestal," but if Lana dares to get angry at him even in the slightest, she's a raging beeyotch.

So, I guess I'm just very unsettled about things too.

Chloe's comments to Clark about.."maybe it's time you moved on too..." (hint, hint, nudge, nudge, wink, wink) made me CRINGE at the Chlarkish overtones. I swear, if they have him fall in love with Chloe now.. before he gets to Lois.. I'll have to join the leagues of people who rag about this show incessently.

And Lois.. yeah, we get it, she's his future. But I thought that scene with Martha was just silly. "Gee, Martha.. Ya think *I'll* ever meet a nice guy from a good family? Anyone *know* any guys like that?? Hmmm??"
I mean.. come the **** on! LOL.. Another nudge, nudge moment.

If they're going to have him fall for anyone at this point, I'd rather see them leaning towards Lois, but I'm afraid it's going to be Chloe. It seems to make sense in retrospect with how this whole season has gone in regards to her character.

Lana can stay with Lex and get her heart stomped on again when she realizes that he's an evil bastard. The sad thing is.. he really is an evil bastard. Here, he has this chance his mother talked to him about - to be with Lana and make the Lexmas dream come true (only WITH the money! ;)), but he's still can't help blowing it. He's just can't help himself.

I'm actually glad to have Lex embracing the evil-ness, just as I'm glad to see Clark embracing the Super-ness. I'm annoyed that it's impossible for the writers to do anything but stomp on Lana.. but, whaddya gonna do?

I take solace in the little but important things.. like Clark in that dark jacket.
Goodgollymissmolly, will someone please give that man a worthy movie role!!!!

[Super_Ludacris]

Damn Serene just laid it out with more truth than Beanie Siegel himself!:eek:...........apart from that bit about Tom and his coat, I dunno what chu talkin bout there.

[musclesforsupes]

Decent episode, I liked the preview for next week when Clark mentions Zod the best :)

Btw Clark has gotta get over Lana, come on Lois is 200% HOTTER!

[AgentPat]

why do I think I've seen this before ?Oh as a couple I've heard that the writers say there done of course. I've heard them say it before. Watch what happens midway through season 6 when they run out of material. They may not be back together in this form as a couple but the show aint over when it comes to Clana interaction.http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/confused2.gif

What are you guys expecting? If you think we're gonna get another episode like Mortal, dream on. (I LOVED that ep, btw.)

No doubt, Clark and Lana will mend their pasts and become good friends again, and there will likely be endless doe-eyed moments between the two, but their "romance" is oh-vah. It kind of *has* to be at this point, y'know?

A. Clark will have bigger fish to fry as he gravitates ( :D ) away from Smallville toward his destiny,
B. There's somebody else in Clark's future, and
C. Lana isn't the "one."


Anyhoo.... I liked the ep. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/shrug.gif

[rumpuso]

Chloe's comments to Clark about.."maybe it's time you moved on too..." (hint, hint, nudge, nudge, wink, wink) made me CRINGE at the Chlarkish overtones. I swear, if they have him fall in love with Chloe now.. before he gets to Lois.. I'll have to join the leagues of people who rag about this show incessently.

Did you think that scene was a foreshadowing of a Chloe/Clark romance in season 6? Because that's all that every thread is morphing into over on KSite. Even the mods are extolling the anvils of Chlark and then of Chloe becoming Lois Lane. It's really the most sickening place to visit with that mentality running rampant. For me, I can't even envision a romance between those two. Chloe is like Pete to Clark...nothing more than his best friend. He's never shown any signs of seeing her as more than that. I couldn't begin to imagine how they could pull that off plausibly. However I did see quite a lot of similarities between Lois' sad love life situation and Clark's. It felt like the writers were drawing more parallels and foreshadowing for those two characters than for Chloe and Clark.

[KalKai]

Chlarker's are just waiting for another kiss, there's always been 1 in every season, it has to happen in Oracle or never.

[Supershizzle]

I dont know how anyone would get that about Clark and Chloe. They basically just hit us with a sledge hammer over the head about Lois and Clark's future, or did their selective memories exclude the scene between Martha and Lois?

Chloe doesnt = Lois, Chloe = white, female Pete

[Serene]

Did you think that scene was a foreshadowing of a Chloe/Clark romance in season 6? Because that's all that every thread is morphing into over on KSite. Even the mods are extolling the anvils of Chlark and then of Chloe becoming Lois Lane. It's really the most sickening place to visit with that mentality running rampant. For me, I can't even envision a romance between those two. Chloe is like Pete to Clark...nothing more than his best friend. He's never shown any signs of seeing her as more than that. I couldn't begin to imagine how they could pull that off plausibly. However I did see quite a lot of similarities between Lois' sad love life situation and Clark's. It felt like the writers were drawing more parallels and foreshadowing for those two characters than for Chloe and Clark.

I completely agree with you, on all those points.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried though. But I'm used to being disappointed with how they handle Clark and his love life.

The thing is.. the Chlark people are the ones who should REALLY be worried. Because, I thought they clearly implied Chloe getting her hopes up in that scene. But then we had the Lois anvil that was as big as an elephant. So... it could be that they are just setting Chloe up to get her heart stomped again too. It's not Clark's fault, like you said, he's NEVER had those sort of *real* feelings for Chloe. So, I really hope they don't go there. The whole Chlois theory is just SO cheap.. and honestly? I find it disrespectful to the eventual coupling of Lois and Clark.

[Super_Ludacris]

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What are you guys expecting? If you think we're gonna get another episode like Mortal, dream on. (I LOVED that ep, btw.)

No doubt, Clark and Lana will mend their pasts and become good friends again, and there will likely be endless doe-eyed moments between the two, but their "romance" is oh-vah. It kind of *has* to be at this point, y'know?

A. Clark will have bigger fish to fry as he gravitates ( :D ) away from Smallville toward his destiny,
B. There's somebody else in Clark's future, and
C. Lana isn't the "one."


Anyhoo.... I liked the ep. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/shrug.gif


Hence why I said there's still gonna be little Clana moments that are gonna have the haters screaming at the TV on some Gestapo Furher vibe saying "NOOOOOOOO!!!!!":mad:

[The Caped Knight]

I really liked this episode ,

(1) Lois Lane's Return

(2) The CGI effect of Clark's Super rescue of Graham.

(3) Clark in Metropolis , In a Suit, Also a forshadowing of The Reporter Clark Kent.

(4) Clark get's the sneak preivew of his Future wife {Lois} compleatly naked .{and liked what he saw.}

(5) Forshadowing of Lois & Clark's Future together

(6) Lois & Chloe saving Clark

(7) Martha telling Lois, that when she was younger she was just like Lois.{When it came to a love life until she meet Jonathan, And the same will Go for her When She meet's SUPERMAN:THE MAN OF STEEL / Adult Reporter Clark Kent in The Future .

(8) Lana telling Clark it's over {between them as a romantic couple}

(9) Badass trailer for "Oracle"

[Super_Ludacris]

I dont know how anyone would get that about Clark and Chloe. They basically just hit us with a sledge hammer over the head about Lois and Clark's future, or did their selective memories exclude the scene between Martha and Lois?

Chloe doesnt = Lois, Chloe = white, female Pete


That dude was a little too friendly with Clark at times

[Super_Ludacris]

I really liked this episode ,

(1) Lois Lane's Return

(2) The CGI effect of Clark's Super rescue of Graham.

(3) Clark in Metropolis , In a Suit, Also a forshadowing of The Reporter Clark Kent.

(4) Clark get's the sneak preivew of his Future wife {Lois} compleatly naked .{and liked what he saw.}

(5) Forshadowing of Lois & Clark's Future together
(6) Lois & Chloe saving Clark

(7) Martha telling Lois, that when she was younger she was just like Lois.{When it came to a love life until she meet Jonathan, And the same will Go for her When She meet's SUPERMAN:THE MAN OF STEEL / Adult Reporter Clark Kent in The Future .
(8) Lana telling Clark it's over {between them as a romantic couple}

(9) Badass trailer for "Oracle"



Here you go again.....

[BaK]

Chlarker's are just waiting for another kiss...
well i ain't kissing no chlarkers, no sir..
ewww..

[BaK]

yay edit away

[Super_Ludacris]

Man **** them Chlarkers. **** Ships overall, they take the show way too serious.

[avidreader]

I came away from this episode really shaken about Lana and her motivations. It felt as if Lana was not only mean spirited about the whole thing, but perhaps also out to actually harm Clark. She just felt like a different Lana, and I don't know this one at all. I do know, however, that Clark made a very good choice by letting her go. She seems unstable and would not be the correct person to share his secret with.

(And Serene, if you are reading this, what was your impression of Lana last night?)

I agree. I was so mad at her when she more or less said that Clark was untrustworthy. When has he ever been untrustworthy?

Lex tells Lana that there's a long line of people waiting to take a gun to his head and she doesnt ask WHY?

[blksuperman2]

That dude was a little too friendly with Clark at times

I got the same vibe:confused:

The only thing I didn't like was that Clark couldn't see the guy. He can also see in various spectrums of light so he should've been able to see him. Still a decent episode:up:

[avidreader]

Great points!! Don't forget Clark's gutless lack of honesty with her about his secret, over the last 5 seasons. :supes:

He told her and she died. You think he wants to go through that again.

[avidreader]

why do I think I've seen this before ?

naah.. must have been "seeing" things again.. like that fat lady.. brrr..

I think the signifance of him putting the telescope away was to say its DEFINITELY over.

[Nautica7mk]

He told her and she died. You think he wants to go through that again.
From my POV, Lana is incapable of protecting Clark's secret at this point in her life. And he told her because he knew in a few weeks time that he was going to lose her. So technically, he told her out of fear and not confidence. That to me shows how little faith he has in her.

[avidreader]

And Lois.. yeah, we get it, she's his future. But I thought that scene with Martha was just silly. "Gee, Martha.. Ya think *I'll* ever meet a nice guy from a good family? Anyone *know* any guys like that?? Hmmm??"
I mean.. come the **** on! LOL.. Another nudge, nudge moment.

I actually thought those words were for Lana as well (even though she wasnt in the room).

[blksuperman2]

When's someone gonna post screen shots of lois doing Sit-ups????????????

[KalKai]

Already did.

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[Chris Wallace]

Maybe-just Maybe, When You're Being Stalked By A New Foe W/the Power Of Invisibility, It's Not The Best Time To Have An Open Discussion About Your Powers & Weaknesses. And referring to it by its common nomenclature, which anyone can understand? Not a brilliant move either. Or Maybe That's Just Me.

[AgentPat]

I actually thought those words were for Lana as well (even though she wasn't in the room).I had to explain that to my husband too, so yes, I'm in complete agreement with you. The foreshadowing wasn't just about Lois and Clark, it was about Clark's break with Lana.

As to the Chloe scenario... why do you guys torture yourselves and read that stuff? That was the LAST thing I thought ("Chlark") when Chloe was talking to Clark. K-site is too funny. It just is. :p

[Super_Ludacris]

From my POV, Lana is incapable of protecting Clark's secret at this point in her life. And he told her because he knew in a few weeks time that he was going to lose her. So technically, he told her out of fear and not confidence. That to me shows how little faith he has in her.


I really dont think Clark was that smart to do that. Then why did he bother to save her? And if he lost her than you dotn what an ex knowing your secret is capable of. He told her cause he loved her.

[Nautica7mk]

I really dont think Clark was that smart to do that. Then why did he bother to save her? And if he lost her than you dotn what an ex knowing your secret is capable of. He told her cause he loved her.
I know he loved her, but that doesn't change the fact that he felt he had to tell her in fear he was going to lose her. His conversation with Chloe in that very same episode confirms that. And he saved her because he didn't want her to die, just as he tried to do with Jonathan (from scenes we never got to see). To be honest, they're both unhealthy for one another, you've got five years full of evidence to prove that.

[Ultimate_Superman]

This was a great show. I love how Clark has learned over the years not to take gifts for saving peoples lives. Now I do wonder how ever if he sold the big screen or kept it.

[blksuperman2]

What do you mean? He said he returned it.

[AgentPat]

^ Yup. He returned it.

[The Caped Knight]

Also I'll like to bring up a very good point. In opening with Clark & Chloe in Metropolis. Clark tell's her that he gave up being a Reporter after he left The Torch . So I'm guessing that something in Season 6 will push Clark back into The Journalism carrer, Choice . It might also be the thing that pushes Lois to becoming a reporter .

[avidreader]

Just reading around the traps, the general consensus seems to be that Lex was indeed telling Lana that he didnt know where Fine was and that he couldnt be found, only to be in direct conversation with him by phone and IM.

Now that he's won Lana he can resume his skilful act of only revealing what he wants her to know.

Is that Lex Luthor or what?

I had to explain that to my husband too, so yes, I'm in complete agreement with you. The foreshadowing wasn't just about Lois and Clark, it was about Clark's break with Lana.


Did your husband understand?

[BaK]

I think the signifance of him putting the telescope away was to say its DEFINITELY over.
Or that he THINKS, (again), that it's definiteley over..
But anyway, i think it's kind of half-full half-empty-glass debate..

As long as they have some options open, (and we all know that she will not end up with Lex), I'd say nobody's 100% right about their future in the short term..
:)

[avidreader]

Or that he THINKS, (again), that it's definiteley over..
But anyway, i think it's kind of half-full half-empty-glass debate..

As long as they have some options open, (and we all know that she will not end up with Lex), I'd say nobody's 100% right about their future in the short term..
:)

I'm 100% sure that they will come back as friends, but as far as lovers, I think its over and I believe Clark will come to some kind of realisation of this early next season.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Two things I hate though. I feel Clark should not be hanging out around the DP as much as he is. I also feel you need to get rid of one or the other Chloe or Lois. To me they are the same person and I just feel there is no need for both.

On the other hand I like the fact that they are making it seem like Lex is using Lana to get to Clark.

[AgentPat]

Did your husband understand?Mmm... he didn't really say. Gotta understand, hubby isn't into the "touchy feely" stuff LOL. He rolls his eyes during those kind of scenes, but he's up close and personal when Clark rides a nuclear missile into orbit or when Lex is being particularly baaaad. Hee! Different strokes for different folks.

[rumpuso]

I think the signifance of him putting the telescope away was to say its DEFINITELY over.
Also, something to keep in mind, the spoilers mentioned that he broke his telescope in a jealous rage. They *could* have cut that scene in editing and when he referred to his telescope not working, he may have meant it literally.

However, I think the scene worked better figuratively, as they shot it.

[avidreader]

Mmm... he didn't really say. Gotta understand, hubby isn't into the "touchy feely" stuff LOL. He rolls his eyes during those kind of scenes, but he's up close and personal when Clark rides a nuclear missile into orbit or when Lex is being particularly baaaad. Hee! Different strokes for different folks.

My husband would be exactly the same. :D

Also, something to keep in mind, the spoilers mentioned that he broke his telescope in a jealous rage. They *could* have cut that scene in editing and when he referred to his telescope not working, he may have meant it literally.

However, I think the scene worked better figuratively, as they shot it.

I think the fact that they either cut that from the original scene or they decided not to go ahead with it, made it more reasonable to assume that it was supposed to be taken figuratively or metaphorically, whichever word you prefer.


I just watched the episode again and I knew there was something in that Clana Loft Scene that made me really angry at Lana and it was her *itchy delivery of the line that made it worse.... "I know you think you're being some kind of hero, but I dont need your protection".

Aaaaaggghhhhh! I wanted to scratch her eyes out. Meow!

[Brainiac 8]

"Fade" – My thoughts. (If you want them:D )


This has been a rather interesting season, has it not? There has been some bad, but mostly good ol’ Superman action, only Smallville style. FOS, Brainiac, Kryptonians, Zod, yadda yadda, we all know what the good was.

This episode had a lot of good in it, but it had some things that just plain irked me. Let’s get cracking!


First Clark saves a man about to be run down by a truck in Metropolis. (Seriously, how many bad drivers are there in the city?) We have seen this shtick before, but what we haven’t seen was Clark dealing with repercussions from saving a killer. He learned that not everyone he saves will be good like he thinks they should be, but that he still has a responsibility to save everyone, including those that are evil.


Superman doesn’t differentiate when it comes to life. He learns that valuable lesson in this episode that he uses later in life as Superman. I thought that plot was well done and well thought out.


Next, Lex: He is in one heck of a quandary in this season. His evil side has been coming out, slowly but surely. But we see a glimmer of what used to be good shine through still. He is losing the battle though. We can see this by how he is dealing with Lana. He outright lied about his knowing where Fine is. But then we see the Lex we used to know when he hears that Clark came to visit.


You can see the struggle he has been going through. But alas…he is losing.

We also see by having a gun near him, Lex is always prepared. He was calm, collected, and a little scary when the killer came back to finish the job. MR once again proves his acting merit for this show.

Now the bad that really bother me.

First, re-hashing of used ideas. Inviso-man, we have seen it before….in "Shimmer." I know when you write a show, especially episodic ones in nature, that ideas will start to run thin, but we have had several re-hashed powers this season. I don’t mind the FOW stories but this guy bugged me. The assassin angle, in their defense, worked well though.


Second, Lana. (WARNING: Lana lovers don’t keep reading.)

What has Clark really done to her to deserve to be talked to like he was? She called him untrustworthy! You’d think all the times he saved her would have amounted to something, but I guess not. I really wish they would push the story a little and have her find out. This constant angst really drags down good stories sometimes. I just think that she was totally unjustified in some of the things she said.


In all this episode really was mostly good. The end with Clark putting away the telescope held a lot of meaning in regards to the Clark/Lana relationship. It makes you really feel for Clark. Tom put in a great performance tonight, he really showed his emotions throughout. Listening for the heartbeat was just great. Why no X-Ray vision though? Oh well….3.5 out of 5.

I would watch the episode again.

[avidreader]

[LEFT]"Fade" – My thoughts. (If you want them:D )

Always welcome from me.



Next, Lex: He is in one heck of a quandary in this season. His evil side has been coming out, slowly but surely. But we see a glimmer of what used to be good shine through still. He is losing the battle though. We can see this by how he is dealing with Lana. He outright lied about his knowing where Fine is. But then we see the Lex we used to know when he hears that Clark came to visit.

Was he really touched or was it an opportunity for him to tell Lana to shove their relationship in Clark's face. I think that has been his prime motivation in wanting to be with Lana.


You can see the struggle he has been going through. But alas…he is losing.

YAY! Lets let the hero be the hero and not have the anti hero be an ambiguous hero.

He knew damn well that he didnt save Lana's life, but he said nothing.

Now the bad that really bother me.

First, re-hashing of used ideas. Inviso-man, we have seen it before….in "Shimmer." I know when you write a show, especially episodic ones in nature, that ideas will start to run thin, but we have had several re-hashed powers this season. I don’t mind the FOW stories but this guy bugged me. The assassin angle, in their defense, worked well though.

Well the guy from Shimmer wasnt really a FOW, he just used rose petals from the garden to make himself invisible. Graham could actually camouflage himself, which might explain why Clark couldnt use the x-ray vision and even if he could, I thought the super-hearing was way more cool.


Second, Lana. (WARNING: Lana lovers don’t keep reading.)

What has Clark really done to her to deserve to be talked to like he was? She called him untrustworthy! You’d think all the times he saved her would have amounted to something, but I guess not. I really wish they would push the story a little and have her find out. This constant angst really drags down good stories sometimes. I just think that she was totally unjustified in some of the things she said.

Lana lover totally agrees with you. :up:


Tom put in a great performance tonight, he really showed his emotions throughout. Listening for the heartbeat was just great. Why no X-Ray vision though? Oh well….3.5 out of 5.


I thought he was great in this episode too. He had a lot of emotions to go through, not to mention he looks really HOT in that white and blue checked shirt. I think that's my favourite. :)

[rumpuso]

I think the fact that they either cut that from the original scene or they decided not to go ahead with it, made it more reasonable to assume that it was supposed to be taken figuratively or metaphorically, whichever word you prefer.


I just watched the episode again and I knew there was something in that Clana Loft Scene that made me really angry at Lana and it was her *itchy delivery of the line that made it worse.... "I know you think you're being some kind of hero, but I dont need your protection".

Aaaaaggghhhhh! I wanted to scratch her eyes out. Meow!
Whatever their initial intention, they clearly chose the right delivery with the scene as it played out last night. It was truly touching. Poor Clark. :(

And I agree with you about the final Lana/Clark loft scene. That's where I felt she showed her aggression and anger; almost as if she had an agenda to hurt him. Clearly she is not over him, or else she wouldn't be slinging the insults as she did. When she wakes up from her Lex mess, she's going to have a lot of self discovery to go through.

[avidreader]

Whatever their initial intention, they clearly chose the right delivery with the scene as it played out last night. It was truly touching. Poor Clark. :(

Yeah it was excellent.

And I agree with you about the final Lana/Clark loft scene. That's where I felt she showed her aggression and anger; almost as if she had an agenda to hurt him.

Now maybe that's the hell hath no fury like a woman scorned that we've been told to excpect.

Clearly she is not over him, or else she wouldn't be slinging the insults as she did. When she wakes up from her Lex mess, she's going to have a lot of self discovery to go through.

The fact that she said "Lex and I have been seeing each other" and not "Lex and I are in a relationship together", more than implied that she's not over him. I dont think she ever will be.

What I think is going to be kind of ironic is that her new agressive attitude (maybe it is to deliberately hurt Clark) is probably going to enlighten Clark and make him realise that she's not the person that he thought she was and he will move on, whereas she will never be able to get over her feelings for him. In other words her plan will have backfired.

[The Watchman]

You like-ah da sauce, eh...?


Nothing has been confirmed...

;)


...but for T.S., I'd place my bets more on Mr. J (no, not that one), than Mr. Z...in fact I think he's kind of auditioned already...
yeah, I know he's the voice of Jor-el, I'm not a retarded monkey, but based on my extensive knowledge of the character of Jor-El, I've always just assumed the voice wasn't his but Zods. At least if they din't want to royally mess up something else about the mythos.

[AgentPat]

"I know you think you're being some kind of hero, but I don't need your protection".The "hero" reference ties into the rest of the plot of that ep. Clark doesn't set out to be a hero; he just is. Lana and Lois still see Clark as a buttinsky into their personal affairs, but Clark is just looking out for their safety. Chloe's known it since Pariah, and while Lana *seemed* to understand that about him in Hidden, she's conveniently forgotten it, I guess.

[avidreader]

The "hero" reference ties into the rest of the plot of that ep. Clark doesn't set out to be a hero; he just is. Lana and Lois still see Clark as a buttinsky into their personal affairs, but Clark is just looking out for their safety. Chloe's known it since Pariah, and while Lana *seemed* to understand that about him in Hidden, she's conveniently forgotten it, I guess.

Just went and did my workout at the gym, and it occurred to me while I was running the treadmill that maybe she was also saying that she knows he broke up with her because he's trying to protect her but that she's quite capable of looking after herself.

When she eventually realises why he does this, she'll have a better understanding.

[Supershizzle]

Lana is so dumb, anytime she's thought she knew better than Clark about someone or something she gets royally burned. You think she'd catch on after like the 5th or 6th time....

[KikiDee]

Two things I hate though. I feel Clark should not be hanging out around the DP as much as he is. I also feel you need to get rid of one or the other Chloe or Lois. To me they are the same person and I just feel there is no need for both.

On the other hand I like the fact that they are making it seem like Lex is using Lana to get to Clark.

You know I don't really mind him hanging out around the Daily Planet. I know they used Chloe to get him there, but I think it sets his future up very nicely. It won't be the same Daily Planet when he begins his career. Perry will be editor and Chloe will be long gone. Lois is really the only hitch in this story line because she knows him so there won't be that tie in with the Donner film. But hey, it is Smallville (whole different enchilada) and it doesn't make it a bad story for her to already know him.....just a different one.:)

[AgentPat]

yeah, I know he's the voice of Jor-el, I'm not a retarded monkey, but based on my extensive knowledge of the character of Jor-El, I've always just assumed the voice wasn't his but Zods. At least if they din't want to royally mess up something else about the mythos.:rolleyes:

[BaK]

What has Clark really done to her to deserve to be talked to like he was?


He told her he didn't love her anymore without any clues as to why..
Excluding her parents death, there is nothing in her life that could've hurt more..

People who love you the most can also hurt you more than anything else..

Sad facts of life, but umm, "good" to know.. ( <- bad choice of words :) )

[avidreader]

He told her he didn't love her anymore without any clues as to why..
Excluding her parents death, there is nothing in her life that could've hurt more..

He told her that a week after he told her that I've always loved you and I always will. Which one should she believe?

And after he said that, she was the one that said it was over and went straight to Lex.

She knows Clark well enough to know when he's not telling the truth. However poor his skills were with breaking up with her she would know deep down that it would be because he cares about her so much.

People who love you the most can also hurt you more than anything else..

Which is why she said those things to him because she new how to hurt Clark with words.

[BaK]

He told her that a week after he told her that I've always loved you and I always will. Which one should she believe? And that's what basically caused her angry "And I can trust you!?"

He ended up so contradictory that it blew up in his face..
IMO he kind of deserved it, and thought he was prepared to deal with it and it's "consequences"..
He just didn't see Lex in the picture..
He should have read spoilers.. :)

[avidreader]

And that's what basically caused her angry "And I can trust you!?"

He ended up so contradictory that it blew up in his face..

Surely she knows after all this time that he's usually always right about people and that she can trust him, Clark is a good person who tries to help people and do the right thing by them, with no self profit. Even if he sometimes says things that confuse her. And has she forgotten that he lost his father recently and that maybe he's got some issues that he is trying to deal with.

IMO he kind of deserved it, and thought he was prepared to deal with it and it's "consequences"..

I dont think he deserved it, he's been so generous and kind to Lana over the years and she's always known that he's had a secret, he's definitely made no secret of that.

He just didn't see Lex in the picture..

Right. Clark was prepared for her to move on with someone that would make her happy. Clark knows what sort of guy Lex is and he is worried for her, not jealous because he's a crazy ex-boyfriend.

Its kind of ironic that she said to Clark "I dont need you to protect me," when only hours earlier he had protected her and Lex from a bullet fired by a hitman.

He should have read spoilers.. :)

Yeah, could you drop him a line and give him the link to Ksite. :)

[The Watchman]

:rolleyes:
Crack open a comic and you'd understand what I'm saying, if you'd like a Jor-El that wants Clark to take over the earth, more power to you, it certainly is an interesting story in it's own right, it just isn't superman.

[Kane]

Newsflash. Smallville isnt Superman....or some kind of prequel.

Its a heavy reimagining. An Elseworlds-like tale.

It can really do anything.

[BaK]

I dont think he deserved it, he's been so generous and kind to Lana over the years and she's always known that he's had a secret, he's definitely made no secret of that.
Of course he does not literally deserve that, that's why i used "kind of"..
Yes, we all know he saved her gazillion times, and she shouldn't be ungratefull in any kind of way.. But, there sometimes is a but..

Someone mentioned somewhere that by having vilain/Lex taking the credit for saving demsel's in distress life, (as they made her say it), they are making a classic/atchetype setup where one is to feel even more sorry for the hero, who again was the one doing the act of uncredited saving, and thus leading to the standard resolution where he gets the girl and/or everything right in the end..

So this seems like "another" act I with somewhat "predictable" act II..
How much "predictable", I am not sure..

What I am sure of is that the writers managed to "unite ununitable" - K-Site and Sweet forums in their hate for Lana character, and we know here that these sites are mostly various levels of basically insane people :D, so - draw your own conclusions.. :)

[The Watchman]

Newsflash. Smallville isnt Superman
Newsflash, that's the dumbest ****ing thing I've ever heard. :up:


...I'm sorry, sometimes I get mean when I drink.:( I'm off tot he bars.

[BaK]

Newsflash. Smallville isnt Superman....or some kind of prequel.

Can You tell us, oh, Enlightened One, is it maybe a sequel then?

[avidreader]

Of course he does not literally deserve that, that's why i used "kind of"..
Yes, we all know he saved her gazillion times, and she shouldn't be ungratefull in any kind of way.. But, there sometimes is a but..

Someone mentioned somewhere that by having vilain/Lex taking the credit for saving demsel's in distress life, (as they made her say it), they are making a classic/atchetype setup where one is to feel even more sorry for the hero, who again was the one doing the act of uncredited saving, and thus leading to the standard resolution where he gets the girl and/or everything right in the end..

Oh, absolutely. It makes us root for Clark even more, which I'm thinking is part of the purpose of all this.

[Kane]

Newsflash, that's the dumbest ****ing thing I've ever heard. :up:


The dumbest f^cking thing would be expecting Smallville to be like the comics or how the Superman mythos is traditionally handled.

Jor-El is what he is on Smallville.... that's that.

[Kane]

Can You tell us, oh, Enlightened One, is it maybe a sequel then?

Its a heavy reimagining... did you miss reading that part in the earlier post?

[user123456789]

wow, lois doin sit-ups...

:up:

[AgentPat]

Surely she knows after all this time that he's usually always right about people and that she can trust him, Clark is a good person who tries to help people and do the right thing by them, with no self profit.Avid, I think you hit the nail on the head with your past few posts. I just grabbed this quote to respond to, but I agree with everything you've said so far.

In the episode Thirst, Lana got a peek into Clark's heart and felt his "enormous strength and love" for her. It was one of the very few things she actually remembered from her vampire experience. But then she got all bent out of shape (no pun intended) when "a part of Clark shuts down when the spaceship comes up in conversation" in Lockdown. She carried her anger over into Reckoning, where in the loft scene take two, she decided their relationship needed a time out. This was *after* Clark hugged her tenderly and said he wanted to spend some time with her. He changed the plans about going out and wanted to stay in the loft, but instead of just going with the flow - this is Clark, after all - she accused him of lying - "don't you know I can tell when you're lying?" - and then left. And yet she seemed incapable of knowing that he was "lying" when he said he didn't love her in Hypnotic?

There's always gonna be two sides to the Clark/Lana seesaw, and admittedly, I side with Clark most of the time. He has a knack for sizing people up, and while he was off the mark initially with A.C., he's been pretty dead nuts-on with everybody else. I don't think Lana is playing Lex to get back at Clark, but at the same time, she knows about their growing rivalry. She herself was pissed at Lex for the "You owe me" BS, which the writers have apparently decided to sweep under the carpet, I guess.

Fans often complain about the haphazard way the writers try to shoehorn Lois into plots, but I sometimes wonder if they're having more problems with Lana, 'cause she can be all over the map at times.

The writers paint Lana as a character that needs to be defined by somebody else. Clark, Chloe, Lex, Pete, Lionel, even Martha (post Jonathan's death) have all gone w/o S.O.'s for long periods of time. Lana, on the other hand...

Its kind of ironic that she said to Clark "I don't need you to protect me," when only hours earlier he had protected her and Lex from a bullet fired by a hitman.That was probably the most bittersweet scene in that ep. I think it's scenes like that that prove how much the true hero Clark really is, because any "normal" person would just say "screw it," and stop intervening in Fate's agenda. If it wasn't for Clark, Lana would have been pushing up daises a LONG time ago. She's woken up in his arms how many times? You'd *think* she would have caught on by now. :rolleyes:

Crack open a comic and you'd understand what I'm saying, if you'd like a Jor-El that wants Clark to take over the earth, more power to you, it certainly is an interesting story in it's own right, it just isn't superman.With all due respect, I think you misunderstood my eyeroll. You may not be up on spoilers for the show, but it might help to get to know folks here before assuming they think you're a "retarded monkey." Jack's response is typical of his style of posting; he wasn't making fun of you. I also read comics fairly regularly; you'd know that about me if you read here more often. Just sayin'. And finally, I guess folks here [raises hand] get a little... I dunno... perturbed... when people say SV isn't Superman. Hello? Everything they do has the blessing of DC, and some of the SV writers pen Superman comics. It's okay to think of the show as an Elsewords story - a lot of folks do - but to patently dismiss it as not being Superman is annoying to those of us who read comics regularly, love the show, and Superman in general.

[Kane]

Its not the Superman that dude expects it to be..... its something else. He cant expect 'Jor-El' to be the same on this show.

They can literally do anything at this point since the show isnt designed to please the comic fans obviously....but more geared towards those who dont know anything about this stuff.

Super Ludacris' description of what the show essentially is.. is right on the mark.

[avidreader]

She herself was pissed at Lex for the "You owe me" BS, which the writers have apparently decided to sweep under the carpet, I guess.


They often leave things brought up in the Season Openers for the Season Finales. So it may still come into play yet and of course there was Take 1 in Reckoning.

Lex: After everything I've done for you how could you lie to me.

[AgentPat]

They often leave things brought up in the Season Openers for the Season Finales. So it may still come into play yet and of course there was Take 1 in Reckoning.

Lex: After everything I've done for you how could you lie to me.Good points. I'm looking forward to the finale, but not the long summer hiatus. That's gonna suck. :(

[avidreader]

Good points. I'm looking forward to the finale, but not the long summer hiatus. That's gonna suck. :(

BIG TIME!

[Serene]

Crack open a comic and you'd understand what I'm saying,
Wow.. reeeally unwarranted, snarkage.
:confused:

[Serene]

I'm going to respectfully exit this thread. The color of the sky in this episode on my TV set was apparently far different than it was in just about everyone else's. ;)

[AgentPat]

I'm going to respectfully exit this thread. The color of the sky in this episode on my TV set was apparently far different than it was in just about everyone else's. ;):(

Poor Serene. I feel your pain. I do.

I LIVE for scenes like this...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/mortal5.jpg

I wish they could have made it last longer, but I guess they just wanted to move on. Blame the writers. :mad: :( :( :(

[The Caped Knight]

^ It's Over

[AgentPat]

^ It's OverIndeed. Oh well. Next? LOL

[AgentPat]

^ Just a clarification. I'm all about Clark (big surprise LOL). Whatever makes him happy, makes me happy. I don't care who it is that puts a smile on his face - be it Lana, Alicia, Chloe, Lois... whomever... it's fine by me. Bring it on. My heart bleeds for him when he's alone. :(

[user123456789]

That cap reminds me...

Even though Clark and Lana are no longer together, having sex, etc...

they each lost their virginity to eachother...

shouldn't that mean ANYTHING to them?!?

[avidreader]

Poor Serene. I feel your pain. I do.

I LIVE for scenes like this...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/mortal5.jpg

I wish they could have made it last longer, but I guess they just wanted to move on. Blame the writers. :mad: :( :( :(

So sad! :( A little longer would have been good.

I feel your pain too Serene, but as Pat says, Clark's my man, and what makes him happy makes me happy. :) Steve DeKnight did hint that this little hiccup with their relationship will only make them come back stronger, so blue skies are on the horizon. It just gonna take a little time to get there.

[Immortalfire]

I wonder how many geeks' pants exploded when we not only saw Lois doing situps, but saw her silhouette in the shower :rolleyes: :D

[The Caped Knight]

I wonder how many geeks' pants exploded when we not only saw Lois doing situps, but saw her silhouette in the shower :rolleyes: :D


I was one of them .

[rumpuso]

That cap reminds me...

Even though Clark and Lana are no longer together, having sex, etc...

they each lost their virginity to eachother...

shouldn't that mean ANYTHING to them?!?
I actually think it means a great deal to both of them, which is why Lana is having such a hard time letting this breakup go away quietly without her anger over it boiling to the top. And Clark, well....he looks emotionally crushed.

[MJZ]

The Clana won't be dead forever, I think you can take that to the bank.

[The Watchman]

I guess folks here [raises hand] get a little... I dunno... perturbed... when people say SV isn't Superman. Hello? Everything they do has the blessing of DC, and some of the SV writers pen Superman comics. It's okay to think of the show as an Elsewords story - a lot of folks do - but to patently dismiss it as not being Superman is annoying to those of us who read comics regularly, love the show, and Superman in general.

He said "Smallville isn't Superman" I said it that was the dumbest fuicking thing I've ever heard, so that confuses me alittle...see :confused:////...

...and I wouldn't call anything Verheiden writes as being a cominc, it's more like ultimate suckage.

for life.:up: :(

[BaK]

:) Steve DeKnight did hint that this little hiccup with their relationship will only make them come back stronger, so blue skies are on the horizon. It just gonna take a little time to get there.
so no fat lady yet ? :)

[Super_Ludacris]

The Clana won't be dead forever, I think you can take that to the bank.

That's my point...cause this is Smallville. And I've wanted her to be with Lex for years.

[Kane]

I was one of them .


wow... shocking :rolleyes:

[Super_Ludacris]

lol

[avidreader]

so no fat lady yet ? :)

Yeah, dont get those cigars out just yet. ;)

[Super_Ludacris]

You sure? Cause I swore I saw Chloe was in this episode....

[AgentPat]

The Clana won't be dead forever, I think you can take that to the bank.Well, I'm pretty certain the romantic aspect is history. It kind of has to be. They can't wallow in it any more. The characters, particularly Clark, HAVE to move on. It's also less to do with fan's being bored to tears with the relationship as it is (apparently) the actors...

There are also other behind the scenes reasons for breaking Clark and Lana up and moving her towards Lex. I can't get into details, but let's just say dealing with actors going into the sixth year of a show can be difficult.Another poster elaborated a bit on another board...

The point is that both TW and KK are not very fond of the repeated romantic angst that has plagued the Clana relationship since the beginning and want to do different things with their respective characters. Heck Welling himself said he couldn't understand why any man would want to be with Lana given that she's way too much high maintenance. This was from an interview with Smallville magazine shortly before season five began. The WB website had a video interview with KK pre-season five as well where she talked about Clark and Lana's relationship and let me tell you her demeanor and body language sent one message crystal clear and that was a real lack of enthusiasm about having to go down that road yet again. I think you can pretty much guarantee KK knew or had a pretty good idea how they were going to cause the tension that ultimately broke up the couple. At the end up the day both TW and KK wanted out of Clana.

At this point the actors want to explore different venues with the characters and want to do different things other than keep doing what they had been doing for the last five years. I believe that all of the big three actors were frustrated on some level at just how formulaic the show has been and the lack of real concrete forward motion for the characters. From TW interviews for Reckoning and on forth you can tell he really wants to explore more of the Clark becoming Superman rather than Clark's girlfriend woes. IMO the man is right because all the highest rated episodes of the season have been superhero/mythology themed episodes...:eek:

Some interesting stuff there.

[user123456789]

Thanks Pat :up:

[Spike_x1]

Good episode. I liked everything that I saw. But like the previous episode, one thing kinda stuck out at me as another lost opportunity: if the show's writers are going to bring in an assassin whose gimmick is invisibility, why not just use the comic book villain, Blindspot?

Just to let you guys know, that little thing didn't ruin the episode for me at all. It just disappoints me when I look at the wasted potential of how it could have immersed itself so much more into Superman's mythology.

What next? A guy who can teleport insanely powerful weapons into the palm of his hand, but his name's not Bloodsport/Alex Trent/Bobby DeBois? Or maybe a cyborg powered by kryptonite, but his name's not John Corben/Metallo?

I just don't see the point in showing a character with the same powers as a known member of Superman's rogues gallery, but giving them a completely different name.

[AgentPat]

I just don't see the point in showing a character with the same powers as a known member of Superman's rogues gallery, but giving them a completely different name.Politics. They simply may not be *allowed* to use a specific character name in the show. Batman, anybody?

[blksuperman2]

Lois is starting to annoy me now. Everytime she calls Clark "Smallville" it seems forced. It worked on the cartoon, but here, she lives in Smallville. It makes no sense to walk around calling someone "Smallville" When that's where you live as well.

Anyway, I'm done ranting.

[Super_Ludacris]

Lois is starting to annoy me now. Everytime she calls Clark "Smallville" it seems forced. It worked on the cartoon, but here, she lives in Smallville. It makes no sense to walk around calling someone "Smallville" When that's where you live as well.

Anyway, I'm done ranting.

You know what I'm sayin....

[Spike_x1]

Politics. They simply may not be *allowed* to use a specific character name in the show. Batman, anybody?I thought that they couldn't use Batman because Batman Begins was in production. I could understand the situation for the more well known villains like the Parasite, Metallo, Bizarro, Toyman, etc, because Warner Bros. wants to keep the option available that those characters might appear in a sequel to SR or something like that.

However, no such problems should exist for the lesser known Superman villains like Bloodsport, Blindspot, Hi-Tech, Blackrock, Arclight, Barrage, Anomaly, Neutron, Hellgrammite, Loophole, Terra-man, and many others who haven't had anything more than a cameo in the comics for the past ten years. DC has forgotten them and nobody is expecting to see those guys in any future Superman movies. So Smallville is probably the only option in the near future for those characters to get a worthwhile chance at a live action adaption.

But yes, I do understand that there is the possibility of legal issues surrounding even those unfamiliar characters (I'm probably the only poster here who's actually aware of the existance of half of them), but it's very unlikely, considering that they're all owned by DC & Warner Bros, and the studio should therefore be free to do what they want with the characters. So I'm sure you can understand my disappointment when I see some freak-of-the-week knockoff using one of my guy's powers against Clark in an episode of SV.

[Kane]

DC makes the ultimate decisions of what characters they are allowed to use.

Expecting new comic villians every week wont ever happen for SV.

[AgentPat]

...But yes, I do understand that there is the possibility of legal issues surrounding even those unfamiliar characters (I'm probably the only poster here who's actually aware of the existence of half of them), but it's very unlikely, considering that they're all owned by DC & Warner Bros, and the studio should therefore be free to do what they want with the characters. So I'm sure you can understand my disappointment when I see some freak-of-the-week knockoff using one of my guy's powers against Clark in an episode of SV.I hear ya. There's numerous reasons why they may or may not use specific characters though. I'd imagine after hurdling the legal issues of what they're allowed to use, there's also the case of *wanting* to use a specific character. FOTW's make good "throw away" characters. They're there to advance the main characters forward. So if random FOTW gets killed or put away in some insane asylum, they're not going to be missed by comic aficionados. Add to this that the writers have a lot more freedom when they don't have to worry about conforming to a pre established character. Think about how many times people piss and moan about how they "bastardized" Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg... not to mention Superman. LOLOLOL.

[Spike_x1]

DC makes the ultimate decisions of what characters they are allowed to use.

Expecting new comic villians every week wont ever happen for SV.DC is owned by Warner Brothers. If the WB is dead-set on using a specific character in Smallville (assuming that the character is free to be used and not the sole property of an individual writer or artist), then it doesn't matter what the company of "DC Comics" really wants. The owner of the DC ultimately calls the shots, and that owner would be the Warner Brothers Conglomerate.

[avidreader]

Well, I'm pretty certain the romantic aspect is history. It kind of has to be. They can't wallow in it any more. The characters, particularly Clark, HAVE to move on. It's also less to do with fan's being bored to tears with the relationship as it is (apparently) the actors...

Another poster elaborated a bit on another board...

:eek:

Some interesting stuff there.

So funny you posted that, 'cause I was discussing that very aspect of the Clana relationship in IM with Trip and James last night.

[Kane]

DC is owned by Warner Brothers. If the WB is dead-set on using a specific character in Smallville (assuming that the character is free to be used and not the sole property of an individual writer or artist), then it doesn't matter what the company of "DC Comics" really wants. The owner of the DC ultimately calls the shots, and that owner would be the Warner Brothers Conglomerate.

I dont think so. Not exactly. I think Dan Didio and a few others have a say. I dont think the WB execs do that stuff, they prolly arent even familiar with all these lesser known Superman rogues anyways.

[BaK]

Lois is starting to annoy me now. ...
I have experienced very similar reactions/symptoms myself, the only difference being it happened much, way much earlier - last season actually.. (believe it was the opener)..

[user123456789]

Lois is starting to annoy me now. Everytime she calls Clark "Smallville" it seems forced. It worked on the cartoon, but here, she lives in Smallville. It makes no sense to walk around calling someone "Smallville" When that's where you live as well.

Anyway, I'm done ranting.

"Smallville" was used perfectly at the end of Devoted last season.

[Pixiedust]

Lois is starting to annoy me now. Everytime she calls Clark "Smallville" it seems forced. It worked on the cartoon, but here, she lives in Smallville. It makes no sense to walk around calling someone "Smallville" When that's where you live as well.

Anyway, I'm done ranting.

But she didn't live in Smallville when she first started calling him that nickname so it just stuck.

To Lois, she calls Clark "Smallville" because that name embodies everything that she believes about Clark. He's a small town farm boy who has the same characteristics of the place he grew up. quaint, wholesome, a nice guy but unexciting, just like the town he lives in.

To me, it makes perfect sense for her still to call him Smallville, even though she lives in the town herself. She isn't from Smallville and will never identify herself with the town the same way as Clark does no matter how long she lives there.

Not to mention, it is a homage to the comics just like all the other Superman references we continue to get.

[Super_Ludacris]

But she didn't live in Smallville when she first started calling him that nickname so it just stuck.

To Lois, she calls Clark "Smallville" because that name embodies everything that she believes about Clark. He's a small town farm boy who has the same characteristics of the place he grew up. quaint, wholesome, a nice guy but unexciting, just like the town he lives in.

To me, it makes perfect sense for her still to call him Smallville, even though she lives in the town herself. She isn't from Smallville and will never identify herself with the town the same way as Clark does no matter how long she lives there.

Not to mention, it is a homage to the comics just like all the other Superman references we continue to get.


But that's the mentality of most in the town, she looks mad stupid doing it. People from Brooklyn, NY are always nickmaed "Brooklyn" if there from there and reflect the hard and tough mentality. But if you an outta towner who moves to like Brownsville in BK calling everyine "Brooklyn" is ****ing retarted.

[Spike_x1]

I dont think so. Not exactly. I think Dan Didio and a few others have a say. I dont think the WB execs do that stuff, they prolly arent even familiar with all these lesser known Superman rogues anyways.When they think that there's money to be made, Warner Brothers calls all of the shots in their tv shows and movies. They might go to DC for advice and consultation, but they're still free to ignore that advice if they choose to.

How do you think the "Catwoman" movie was greenlit? Do you think any of the DC comics guys really would've let that pass if they any control over it? No. If they had any amount of respect for the character, they would've protested against the WB's production of "Catwoman," but that wouldn't have mattered at all to Warner Bros. (who only saw dollar signs and didn't care the least about basing it off of the comic).

[Kane]

The character of 'Patience Phillips' ? I dont see why DC would have a problem allowing that. It isnt Selina Kyle.

[Spike_x1]

You don't think DC would've had a problem with their parent company using the name "Catwoman" in an attempt to cash in on the current popularity of superhero movies, considering that the movie didn't have a single thing to do with the comic character except for the name? Trying to cash in on the name's recognition is a true bastardization of a character if I've ever seen one.

I mean, I've read some posters around here who think that "AC" was a bastardization of Aquaman, but at least he still had the name Arthur Curry, had the same powers, and had the same physical appearance. Catwoman-In-Name-Only didn't even have any of those similarities going for her. So the real question should be why wouldn't DC have a problem with WB using the name Catwoman for that sad excuse for a movie? DC's writers, artists, and editors have every excuse to be outraged about the drastic misuse of a long-loved character.