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Binker
03-06-2006, 01:34 PM
Just like the my JUSTICE (which no one has went to for a while!) I decided to do a review topic on Superman/Batman, another one of my favorite titles.
To start off, I decided to review the first three arcs as a whole before going on its current arc; With a Vengeance. On that arc though, since its last issues for be released this month, I think I'll review that arc the same as the others.
Arc 1: PUBLIC ENEMIES
The World's Finest, we all that name. No, not the website. I'm talking about THE World's Finest: Superman and Batman. Before the new title, we saw either their team ups in either the Batman books, the Superman's, JLA, or etc (since theres alot). Now, the great Jeph Loeb gives us a title that has that team up in goo stories. Simply titled Superman/Batman.
The first pages tell it all:
"The dream always begins the same. My parents... Jor-El and Lara put me in the rocket as the planet Krypton breaks apart."
"The nightmare always begins the same. My parents... Thomas and Martha Wayne take my hands as we leave the theatre."
"I can only imagine how difficult it was for them sending their only son into outer space... as their world died around them."
"I can only imagine the fear that gripped them when the gunman stepped out of the shadows... never knowing that these were their last moments alive."
This explains how light Superman is and dark Batman is. By comparsion, I can't even think of them being friends Pre-Crisis 1986. It feels better here with them seeing the other as an ally and trust each other while not really agreeing with their actions.
One of the good things about this book, if not the whole series, is that this doesn't focus just on Superman & Batman. Here, we're given the JLA, JSA, and Outsiders with Robin and Batgirl joining. And a new Toyman, ally mind you and his...well you would have to see it. If you never got JLA, like me, this is your replacemnt 'til Vol. 3 launches. And like HUSH, this is important since Luthor says "there will be....a CRISIS!"
Now, the bad: theres good action moments but this leads to character development is at a minimum. If you haven't been getting Superman, you may be at a lost by the previous Supergirl. Since she's only featured here and never again. Your choice is either
a ) Ignore it.
b ) Get SUPERMAN: THE 10 CENT ADVENTURE #1, SUPERMAN VOL. 2 #190, & SUPERMAN VOL. 2 #200 to have the beginning and end to THAT Supergirl.
c ) Or...since Power Girl doesn't appear once this Supergirl does. Put in you brain and pretend that THAT Supergirl is actually Power Girl with a costume change because she wanted to change.
There are others but the main one: in the infinite expanses of space this asteroid just so happens to be on course to hit the earth? Drawn by Superman. Let me say this: this is better resolved in the nexr arc: Supergirl of Krypton. So you need both.
Overall, this was a great read or readers who haven't gotten, at all or in the long time, or ones who have gotten in their lives: Superman and Batman.
Rating: 8/10
Arc 2: SUPERGIRL
The previous arc on the asteriod continues and is resolved here with the appearence of Kara Zor-El, Supergirl. And a fight of sorts between Superman and Batman. Supes thinks she's the real deal, Bats however says she could be an impostor and they should be careful. And he's right, why did Superman let her in the Fortress when he waited a long time to do the same to Superboy.
How Superman feels is directly due to the fact that in this book, he explains why he's alone. Once Supergirl appears, he goes out of his way to bring her in, literally. And he's not gonna let Krypto (the dog is here) keep on barking at her, Batman saying she may not who she is, Wonder Woman (yes, SHE's in here too) just kidnap her and take her to the amazons, and Darkseid lay a finger on her.
Now thats cool.
Since the reboot, the rule was Superman was the ONLY survivor of his planet. Superboy appeared but was a clone. Many Post-Crisis Supergirls appeared too each with differernt origins. And Krypto appeared in his 2000 appearecne created from a Krypton trap to lure SUperman, the sog followed him home after.
With this Supergirl, I thought they were braking their own rules set in 1986. I guess her being the second and only second survivor was fine when she appeared. And she was cool so I had no beef as no one else did. (Her current Supergirl series does explain her more complete detailed origin but I'll review that as a special on a later date)
Wonder Woman, Big Barda and the whole DC superheroes and teams appear in this arc as since this series gives us more characters than just the World's Finest. Wonder Woman and Big Barda are the important ones too as they are important to the plot of the story. At first, I thought WW was a little evil at the Supergirl kidnap, like Batman. I didn't like it at first, nor them. But when I realized that they were helping her since she was inexperienced I cleared that up.
Oh, the art. This is Michael Turner. When he does women, you go geeky. K? k.
Overall; while I did not explain any bad parts because...I couldn't find any, this gives you another good story and should be bought along with Public Enemies.
RATING: 8.9/10
Arc 3: ABSOLUTE POWER
When you talk about Superman or Batman, or even both, you have to talk about their origins. They're widley known by all. This story firasts bring you that. We see the familar elements of the Kents seeing Kal-El and the murder of the Wayne parents. But then, something bad happens: the Kents get killed and so does the murderer of Bruce Wayne's parents. The people take the baby and 8-year old child to their care. Now, Superman/Batman are the world's mightiest rulers with an iron fist.
This breaks away from the other two arcs as they are about the current continunity. This is parellel universes and what-ifs. And what I said, that ain't it. Theres more universes with differenr settings/actions, etc. It was cool and interesting on these what-ifs, even what would happen if Batman got the killer and save the parents of his.
Uncle Sam, Wonder Woman once more, the resurrected JLA, and Selina Kyle (I like what she was wearing) appear in this. Including the return of Kingdom Come Superman after his apperence in Public Enemies. Including a cameo of the Legion of Superheroes and their villians.
I don't wanna spoil but I have to say this: when Batman stopped the killer and saved his parents' lives which caused a great reaction (of course) and the world would end up being ruled by Ra's Al Ghul. When you think about it, and the great possibilites if Krypton never exploded. Are these tragidies really tragidies? I quote Batman in War on Crime "...my parents deaths were the best thing to ever happen to me..." BEST THING. With what these heroes face, and we face and the endless possibilites of both, are these bad stuff actually great?
I don't know.
Before I go, here's some bad points: the climax was fine by me and others see it as weak and not fully explained. Why were Batman and Superman bouncing around from alternative reality to alternative reality every time, and why were they being attacked by a bunch of DC's western hero's like Jonah Hex and Scalp Hunter in alternate Gotham? I'll leave that to you. Doesn't mean you can't get the book.
Overall; this was another exciting arc of Superman/Batman.
RATING: 8/10
Coming soon: the regular issues and the entire fourth recent arc.
Binker
03-07-2006, 03:52 PM
#7:
Part of the good things from this series is that Superman/Batman isn't just about them. More DC characters come in and interact with them. They are important as the big two like the plots are.
In the case of this issue, we have another World's Finest team but still from the Superman and Batman families: Superboy & Robin. As teenagers, and in their Teen Titans book, they have problems teens face. But because they are teenagers, they think and act in ways that adults like their mentors can't. Which makes them different. For instance; Superboy & Robin are best buddies. You know what I mean when you compare them to their mentors.
In this story, Superboy & Robin are aksed by their mentors to see if the new, friendly, Toyman wants to be part of Batman's team. When it seems like Toyman's answer is a "no", they soon have to fight Metallo and his mecha stoled by the Toyman.
Toyman was in the first arc "Public Enemies". This issue is sort of a sequel to Toyman's involvment in the first arc, not its main plot. Since Toyman is japanese, just like in the first arc, expect mechas like in animes in this.
This issue is a quickie and its average. I would recommend it since theres nothing really wrong with it. Its just a good Superboy/Robin story. But it isn't REALLY needed in the case of Public Enemies nor the Supergirl arc which started after this. I'm not good in saying about art. Its fine, it looks like they're in a fog. I don't what I meant from that. So sorry.
In case you ask; this isn't in the Public Enemies TPB or HC. You'll have to find the issue itself to read it.
RATING: 7/10
XwolverineX
03-07-2006, 03:54 PM
Since th' Supergirl arc it sucked. I dropped it..
Binker
04-06-2006, 03:24 PM
#19:
After #7, we were given another World's Finest in Superboy & Robin. This second stand alone issue features on the return of a old character in a new fashion in post-Crisis and was introduced in this series: Supergirl.
Story: Batman and Superman have been watching Supergirl, one still wondering about her and one isn't, but this isn't so undercover as they think as she already knows them spying on her. But she ain't pisted at them, she's pisted at the other person spying on her.
#7 was a sequel to Public Enemies, this time #19 is a prequel of sorts (maybe just a prequel) to the new Supergirl series. The new series connects itself to this issue and the #0 issue of course. For art; it was pretty good. At tiems I thought it was by Lee but of course it wasn't. On the art based on Lee, maybe.
In case you ask; similar to #7 not in the Public Enemies TPB or HC, this issue isn't on the TPB/HC on the Supergirl arc. And it won't be in the Supergirl TPB in June. You'll have to find the issue itself to read it.
RATING: 7.5/10
BlackOpsTengu
04-06-2006, 08:40 PM
I'll be honest, Public Enemies and the Supergirl arcs of Superman/Batman got me back into reading comics.:up:
Binker
04-07-2006, 12:34 AM
Thats good. Hey, whats better than two iconic superheroes in one book?
Once its done, I will review the "With the Vengenace" as a whole.
Calendar Man
04-07-2006, 12:39 AM
SPOILER ALERT for #24:
The Joker kills Batzarro!
Purple Man
04-07-2006, 11:48 AM
Just a few notes.
Superman/Batman #19 is the same comic as Supergirl #0
Jonah Hex and the rest of the Western characters were killing Superman and Batman because the president (Lex Luthor) wanted them dead.
Superman and Batman were bouncing around realities because of the human bombs explosion near the time (and likely reality hopping) machine.
The Legion of Adult Heroes were gathered infront of their Pre-Crisis headquarters.
Uncle Sam gets a Green Lantern ring.
Lightning Lord, Saturn Queen and Cosmic King are old Superboy (Clark Kent when he was a kid pre-crisis) villains.
Metallo may be the person who killed the Waynes. Batman stops his parents killer in Absolute Power, he should know who it was since he remembers just about everything that happend in these alternate realities.
In the latest story arc we get to see DCs version of the Ultimates (along with Wolverine and Spider-Man knockoffs)
Superman from Red Son and Batman from Batman Beyond are shown with Batzarro and Bizarro respectively.
'Batzarro: Worlds Worst Detective' Gotta love that.
Batwoman and Superwoman in issue 24. Also every Supergirl ever.
My favorite book on the stands.
Mogwai
04-07-2006, 12:39 PM
I always look forward to this book. Good stuff.
Ultimate_Superman
04-07-2006, 12:45 PM
I just wish this book wasn't so late I mean this issue is almost 3 months or more late.
Green Lantern
04-07-2006, 02:36 PM
I just wish this book wasn't so late I mean this issue is almost 3 months or more late.See how well you can hold a deadline when your son dies. At least Loeb has an excuse unlike say... Hitch or Wheden
hippie_hunter
04-07-2006, 02:54 PM
The first arc of Superman/Batman was great. And set off some important things to occur in the DC Universe, particularly the fall of Lex Luthor. Though I wonder why writers are ignoring the fact that Bruce Wayne is now the owner of LexCorp.
The second arc with Supergirl started off great but then some really stupid moments occured such as Batman being able to to defeat not only one Doomsday but numerous Doomsdays, Batman being able to survive an encounter of fighting Darkseid, and Superman being able to defeat Darkseid. Also Binker, Turner sucks drawing women. His art isn't as bad as people say, but his women are just horrible.
Superman/Batman started to really suck afterwards to the point where the was no reason to pick it up. The writing was bad, especially Absolute Power. There was no superstar artist to back him up like Jim Lee does for Frank Miller in the craptastic All-Star Batman and Robin: The Boy Wonder. Superman/Batman was once one of the most important books in the DC Universe but because of severe delays and crappy writing it was eventually ignored.
Also for a book called Superman/Batman, is there really a need to put in so many heroes, such as Wonder Woman, Green Arrow, the Freedom Fighters, and others, in the book. When I read a book called Superman/Batman, I want to read about Superman and Batman. Not Superman and Batman interacting with the Harbinger, Artemis, and Big Barda. I'll go and read John's Teen Titans, Winnick's Outsiders, Levitz's JSA, and Meltzer's Justice League of America, when I want read a book staring a large amount of heroes. All-Star Batman and Robin: The Boy Wonder suffers from this same problem.
In my opinion, Superman/Batman should get canceled for the new Brave and the Bold book that Mark Waid is doing with George Perez or simply change it into a Trinity book and include Wonder Woman in the adventures of Batman and Superman.
Ultimate_Superman
04-07-2006, 02:59 PM
I do agree that it would be a better book if it was just and Superman/Batman/Wonder Woman and thats it.
Purple Man
04-07-2006, 05:12 PM
Let me shoot a few holes through your argument.
Batman being able to take out a Doomsday clone?
Two things: It was an animate made by Dr.Bedlam so it wasn't an exact clone. And, Paradise Island axe, probably enchanted.
Carlos Pacheo may not be a "superstar" artist, but he can draw a hell of a comic. He did a great job on Green Lantern as well.
As I said before.
Great book.
El Bastardo
04-08-2006, 01:10 PM
See how well you can hold a deadline when your son dies. At least Loeb has an excuse unlike say... Hitch or Wheden
I'd say Hitch's excuse is the final product. That said, I'm not trying to downplay Loeb's loss. I'm just saying.
El Bastardo
04-08-2006, 01:20 PM
Also for a book called Superman/Batman, is there really a need to put in so many heroes, such as Wonder Woman, Green Arrow, the Freedom Fighters, and others, in the book. When I read a book called Superman/Batman, I want to read about Superman and Batman. Not Superman and Batman interacting with the Harbinger, Artemis, and Big Barda. I'll go and read John's Teen Titans, Winnick's Outsiders, Levitz's JSA, and Meltzer's Justice League of America, when I want read a book staring a large amount of heroes.
That's your choice and viewpoint, sure. But isn't saying that a book titled Superman/Batman shouldn't guest-star or use outside characters the same as saying that heroes should not have any contact with those not in the title of the book? Therefore, the Batman title should be retitled Batman & Robin if we want to have Robin in it.
And if the comic is titled The Outsiders, why should it star any character but those in The Outsiders? Heh.
The book is titled Superman/Batman. It is about and stars centrally Superman and Batman. Other characters just wind up along for the ride. It's become a fun book of adventures, probably DC's version of Marvel's Cable&Deadpool.
hippie_hunter
04-08-2006, 02:17 PM
That's your choice and viewpoint, sure. But isn't saying that a book titled Superman/Batman shouldn't guest-star or use outside characters the same as saying that heroes should not have any contact with those not in the title of the book? Therefore, the Batman title should be retitled Batman & Robin if we want to have Robin in it.
And if the comic is titled The Outsiders, why should it star any character but those in The Outsiders? Heh.
The book is titled Superman/Batman. It is about and stars centrally Superman and Batman. Other characters just wind up along for the ride. It's become a fun book of adventures, probably DC's version of Marvel's Cable&Deadpool.
I'm not saying that they shouldn't have had guest stars, I'm saying that Superman/Batman went overboard with the guest stars. WAY OVERBOARD. That was about half the books focus, on guest stars.
hippie_hunter
04-08-2006, 02:21 PM
Let me shoot a few holes through your argument.
Batman being able to take out a Doomsday clone?
Two things: It was an animate made by Dr.Bedlam so it wasn't an exact clone. And, Paradise Island axe, probably enchanted.
It's still f**king Doomsday, Batman should never be able to land any attack on Doomsday, with an enchated axe or not, even on a clone of Doomday.
Carlos Pacheo may not be a "superstar" artist, but he can draw a hell of a comic. He did a great job on Green Lantern as well.
As I said before.
Great book.
I'm not saying the art sucked. Pacheo is a good artist. In my opinion the book needed a superstar artist to make up for the delays, to make up for the crappy story telling, and it fell into obscurity in the continuity of the DC Universe.
BlackOpsTengu
04-08-2006, 04:46 PM
"Batman should never be able to land any attack on Doomsday"
That's the stupidest most biased anti-Batman crap I've ever heard. BOOSTER GOLD was able to land hits on the REAL Doomsday, as were the SCU with firearms, CADMUS with their shock cannons and even Apache helicopter pilots with their missiles, and Batman can't on a Doomsday clone? Please, take the "BATMAN SHOLD NOT BE A SI A GOD!1!" stuff elsewhere.
hippie_hunter
04-08-2006, 05:27 PM
"Batman should never be able to land any attack on Doomsday"
That's the stupidest most biased anti-Batman crap I've ever heard. BOOSTER GOLD was able to land hits on the REAL Doomsday, as were the SCU with firearms, CADMUS with their shock cannons and even Apache helicopter pilots with their missiles, and Batman can't on a Doomsday clone? Please, take the "BATMAN SHOLD NOT BE A SI A GOD!1!" stuff elsewhere.
And those attacks did nothing. There's a difference between a failed attack and a successful attack.
BlackOpsTengu
04-08-2006, 05:59 PM
No, you said Batman should never be able to LAND a hit on Doomsday. Accuracy is different from effectiveness.
And Magic Uber +20% when HP ^50% Axe of Undead Doomsday Slaying > Retarded Doomsday Clone. The Amazonians had the weapons to take down the Clones, but not the skills without taking massive casualties. That's why Batman showing them how its done was so cool.
Purple Man
04-08-2006, 11:35 PM
Batman with an axe was an amazing sight.
Those Doomsdays didn't have close the power or the mental prowess of the original.
Cloning Doomsday would probably be much harder than cloning a Kryptonian. And if you do manage to clone something similar, it would most likely be a watered down freak.
I can't wait until the Powergirl/Huntress issue.
Sky Captain
04-19-2006, 08:33 PM
This came out today, right? I really, really wanted to get it...but I'm falt broke (unless I can get it for 75 cents) and if anybody did get it, HOW IS IT??? :supes: :batman:
El Bastardo
04-19-2006, 08:51 PM
It came out today? >.>
My store didn't have it, then.
Mogwai
04-19-2006, 08:55 PM
issue 25 comes out may 3rd, and 26 comes out may 24.
El Bastardo
04-19-2006, 09:05 PM
Pfft. The original poster got my hopes up. And for WHAT, I ask? NOTHING.
Arkady Rossovich
05-24-2006, 09:10 PM
Personally i liked the idea,but the comic was plagued with horrible shipping schedules.So i stoped reading after the Supergirl arc.What happened from there?
Have there been any previews for #26? I stopped picking up this series after Public Enemies but I want to check out #26 for all the great writers and artists. I was wondering how much, or if at all, Bats and Supes are actually in it. I know there's suposed to be a Superman for All Seasons story, but besides that is it all about Robin and Superboy?
Purple Man
05-28-2006, 01:36 PM
There was one preview page shown that had Batman in it. I'm sure Superman will make an appearence as well.
Binker
05-28-2006, 10:06 PM
...sorry for being so late...
Arc 3: WITH A VENGEANCE
One thing is common in the DCU is the concept of the multiverse. It hasn't been new then and now (even with Infinite Crisis). This idea is interesting to see an alternate version of a character(s) in a world similar to them and us. Consider this a tie-in of sorts to Infinite Crisis.
In an alternate universe, a superhero group called the Maximums fight their own villians until Superman and Batman come in and end up killing one of the Maximum's members before they escape. Now with revenge on their brains; the group goes out and finds the real Superman & Batman, who don't know why the group is fighting them, and are then being taken and hunted as they pass through every of any parallel world that has their own version of the World's Finest. Plus; who's pulling the springs?
Previously, the ABSOLUTE POWER arc didn't have anything to do with the continunity of the DCU. I thought it was the same here, until the end of it. That end leads this storyline to be some kind of foreshadowing of Infinite Crisis and the future in 52 and OYL and beyond. Even Darkseid asks about his role in it, which there isn't. And thats true.
The best things was the alternate World's Finestes. We had the communist President Superman from Superman: Red Sun, the Terry McGinnis/Batman from Batman Beyond (NOTE: the issues made a mistake of Tim being the Beyond Batman, TPB will correct that), female versions of Superman & Batman as Superwoman & Batwoman in a world where women are the dominating class insyead of men (didn't the show Sliders have that?), and we also have Bizarro and also a connection to Bizarro World we have a Batzarro.
Plus, there are elements from the Silver Age in this as well. Maybe because the multiverse was introduced in the Silver Age. For example: we have SUPERGIRLS. Every incarnation, even the modern one of course. One of them is the Supergirl from the Silver Age. The first one. Also, a returning character from Batman's campy, goofier days: this series also has Bat-Mite. Was I pleased to see him? Not really, he is a classic character I can give you that but I'am not fond by him. I'am glad that he doesn't last that much.
Those were the good points. Now here is where I explain my low, dislike/bad points: I know this was the last story Loeb was gonna do and add that with his son's death I don't really wanna give anything bad about it but I'am a reviewer so....I kinda have to. The low point was the ending. THE ONLY LOW POINT AT ALL. I was expecting bigger and it was in a way but not extended I should say. The whole thing was explained and why it happened also, I can give you that, had a little tiem-travel gimmick, but I thought maybe a few pages more of action would've worked. But nothing that meant this was bad overall.
Overall; this was another exciting arc of Superman/Batman. I hate to see Loeb go as he was the genius that started the series to a good start but there is a reason, and we can't fight that.
RATING: 8/10
Up next: Sam's Story.
lceman
06-01-2006, 09:07 AM
Hey All,
Just a heads up that SM/BM#26 "Sam's Story" is on sale today. Everyone should pick up at least one issue to help support the cause.
For more info on the issue and foundation click here: http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72364.
hippie_hunter
06-01-2006, 03:02 PM
I bought two copies :up:
lceman
06-01-2006, 03:31 PM
Yeah I just got back from the LCS. Picked up 2 copies of each cover.
hippie_hunter
06-01-2006, 03:37 PM
Yeah I just got back from the LCS. Picked up 2 copies of each cover.
You bought four copies :eek:
I only bought one of each cover :o
lceman
06-01-2006, 04:10 PM
Yeah, I thought about it and its the least that I can do. Jeph and all the guys who participated in this book have given me so many hours of enjoyment that one small thing I could do was to pick up a couple of this book. I am also going to participate in the auction that they are going to have for the pages within the book. All the artisits and writers have donated the pages to go up for auction with all proceeds going to the Sam Loeb Fund. Still picking up two copies are great. I feel that anyone who has enjoyed any of these creators past work should show there support and pick up at least 1 issue.
Purple Man
06-01-2006, 04:35 PM
What an amazing comic. A fun filled, exciting story.
The auction for the artwork is going to raise an insane amount of money.
Every page was beautiful. With all the varying artists and writers one might expect the book to be disjointed, but it flowed nicely.
Amazing amazing amazing.
It's sad that Sam had to die to warrant such a spectacular book to be published.
This is one of those comics that I will never forget.
Sam is smiling down on us. June 1st is Sams day.
The BatDude
06-01-2006, 04:41 PM
Im going to buy it on the weekend, hopefully there still some left.
Fan of Tomorrow
06-01-2006, 07:10 PM
It's in my box waiting for me. If they have the cover that isn't in there still on the shelf, I'll pick it up as well.
MaskedManJRK
06-01-2006, 08:07 PM
Got it too. Great fun, hilarious, sad as f**king hell story. :up:
El Bastardo
06-01-2006, 08:27 PM
Yeah... Those last few pages, "Sam's Story," are really kinda brutal.
WOLVERINE25TH
06-01-2006, 08:41 PM
'Cause I hadda fork out fer someone else's comics (paid back on Sat, no worries) I was only able to get th' one cover today. Got th' other one waitin' fer me next week.
Spike_x1
06-02-2006, 04:34 AM
I very pleased to say that this is the first issue of the series that I've really enjoyed in a long time, even if they misspelled Schott's name and kinda referred to character traits that he's never had before, but neither of those effected the plot or my enjoyment of the issue at all (at this point, I just can't help but notice that stuff in Superman's rogues) :up: :up:.
Binker
06-02-2006, 10:31 AM
Question: for those of you who read the issue, which cover suits the story and is the cover to get?
sethcohen
06-02-2006, 10:45 AM
both
Ultimate_Superman
06-02-2006, 11:00 AM
can someone post some spoliers about this issue because I cant pick it up till wed.
Purple Man
06-02-2006, 12:38 PM
Question: for those of you who read the issue, which cover suits the story and is the cover to get?
Both covers suit the story.
The one with both Superboy and Robin suits it because it is a flashback tale and Superboy is quite alive fighting alongside Robin.
The other cover with only Robin holding Superboys shirt works as well, because the first and last pages are of Robin remembering Superboy after his death.
And you want spoilers? Don't read ahead if you don't want to learn anything about the book.
The young Toyman goes missing, Superman and Batman send Superboy and Robin to check out what happend. They go, finding out that he was kidnapped by the adult Toyman. They proceed to go through a fun house type place filled with various robots. There is witty banter aplenty and this issue really makes you wish Superboy didn't bite the big one.
Sam's Story by Loeb and Sale is a tear jerker, also is the pin up of what the original cover for this issue was going to be when it was just Sam Loeb and Pat Lee.
Also for whoever complained about Rob Liefields page, get over it, also the dialogue on that page was written by Sam's twelve (I think thats right) year old sister.
SonOfCthulhu
06-02-2006, 01:05 PM
It is a great book and kudos to the writers and artists who are donating their cut to the Sam Loeb College Scholarship Fund.
I wonder if there is a way to directly donate to the fund instead of buying more of the books?
Darthphere
06-02-2006, 04:19 PM
Its on my pull list. I go to the comic ook sotre and they tell me they ran out so now ill have to wait for them to give me a copy whenever they get one.
Itw as really a great issue. good thing they pulled it for me.
Darthphere
06-02-2006, 04:23 PM
Itw as really a great issue. good thing they pulled it for me.
Rub it in.:mad:
Ben Urich
06-02-2006, 05:39 PM
It really was great. I almost teared up.
All of the art was stellar, too. Tim Sale's was the best, though. Something about him and Loeb that just... rocks.
I picked it up, good read, though some of the art was meh. Sam would've had a good career.:(
Rub it in.:mad:
Anytime buddy. :)
SpideyInATree
06-03-2006, 04:23 PM
I'm really surprised that there isn't too much buzz about this book on here.
Sam Loeb's situation aside it was actually a really entertaining story and good character interaction between Robin and Superboy.
I agree with Purple Man. Even with all the different artists involved it didn't really hurt the story. Though the part that bothered me the most was when we saw Liefield's artwork. Just...meh. And Pat Lee, I'm not too crazy about either, that's probably because of his horrible work on Marvel Knights Spider-Man...but I don't know.
Regardless, this was worth the price and then some.
yenaled
06-03-2006, 04:43 PM
It's not a great issue, it feels weird and disjointed at times. Doesn't really flow... but that's really not the point. It's great to see all those creators come together to work on a book with this emotion behind it (and you can tell they did - even Leifeld put in the work of his life) and it is for a great cause.
Spike_x1
06-03-2006, 04:55 PM
Personally, I thought it flowed exceptionally well, considering the number of people who worked on it.
SpideyInATree
06-03-2006, 04:56 PM
Sam Loeb actually proved that he can write better than some professionals who have been in the business for a while. :o
SpideyInATree
06-03-2006, 04:57 PM
Personally, I thought it flowed exceptionally well, considering the number of people who worked on it.
Agreed. And considering the fact that the plotter of the story had cancer and was dead already.
Darthphere
06-03-2006, 05:03 PM
Agreed. And considering the fact that the plotter of the story had cancer and was dead already.
That came off pretty bluntly.
SpideyInATree
06-03-2006, 05:21 PM
That came off pretty bluntly.
You can't exactly make any plot changes or tighten things up when you're dead.
Fan of Tomorrow
06-04-2006, 01:15 AM
Picked up both covers today. I've yet to read it, but just flipping through the pages I can tell it's going to be emotional. There was still one copy left on the shelf, and I contemplated buying it just to give the cause more money, but I thought I'd let someone else who might enjoy the story pick it up. If it's still there next week, I'll get it and pass it on to a friend.
Varient
06-04-2006, 02:14 AM
Hey All,
Just a heads up that SM/BM#26 "Sam's Story" is on sale today. Everyone should pick up at least one issue to help support the cause.
For more info on the issue and foundation click here: http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72364.
Both stories gave me sad smiles.
I'll buy a second copy on GP
Dwarf lord
06-04-2006, 08:21 AM
My only gripe is that they picked someone better than Ed McGuiness for the memorial scenes. Someone who would have fit better.
Spike_x1
06-04-2006, 10:42 AM
For the first page, I thought McGuinness worked great for all of the frames of Robin, but I'll agree with you about the last page. Not a big deal though, there's already enough emotion going on that we don't need to rely on the artist too much at all to convey it for us.
Purple Man
06-04-2006, 11:19 AM
My only gripe is that they picked someone better than Ed McGuiness for the memorial scenes. Someone who would have fit better.
McGuiness is one of Loebs very good friends, and co-collaborator on Superman and Superman/Batman. It was Jephs call to have Ed on his pages.
Ben Urich
06-04-2006, 11:24 AM
Sam Loeb actually proved that he can write better than some professionals who have been in the business for a while. :o
Austen, Chuck
Hudlin, Reginald
Millar, Mark
Moench, Doug
etc.
Purple Man
06-04-2006, 12:40 PM
Austen, Chuck
Hudlin, Reginald
Millar, Mark
Moench, Doug
etc.
Yeah, Mark Millar is terrible.
No one read Ultimate X-Men, nobody reads the Ultimates and Civil War is only going to sell two copies, one will be bought by Millar the other by his mom.
Dwarf lord
06-04-2006, 01:07 PM
Yeah, Mark Millar is terrible.
No one read Ultimate X-Men, nobody reads the Ultimates and Civil War is only going to sell two copies, one will be bought by Millar the other by his mom.
Notice how you say "bought" is a fact that sales do not represent a book's quality.
Ben Urich
06-04-2006, 05:23 PM
Yeah, Mark Millar is terrible.
No one read Ultimate X-Men, nobody reads the Ultimates and Civil War is only going to sell two copies, one will be bought by Millar the other by his mom.
His Ultimate X-Men was average at best (Vaughan is what gave that series spark), Ultimates thrives on shock value and solid artwork and the jury's still out on Civil War.
Also, he wrote Trouble.
****ing hack is what he is. :down
Darthphere
06-04-2006, 05:23 PM
His Ultimate X-Men was average at best (Vaughan is what gave that series spark), Ultimates thrives on shock value and solid artwork and the jury's still out on Civil War.
Also, he wrote Trouble.
****ing hack is what he is. :down
And Scottish too.:mad:
Vic Von Doom
06-04-2006, 06:31 PM
I read this book in the car before I left the comic shop.I wondered if this book was actually going to get me emotional, and I thought I had made it by the end of the actual story. Then I read the Loeb/Sale backup story, and...well...the drive home was accompanied by me sniffling like a woman.
I was so sad just thinking about the fact that this guy lost his 17 year old son, plus you could just feel the love for this kid pouring out of every page. When Robin is talking at the beginning and end, you know it's about Superboy but you really know that it's Jeph talking about Sam. And there were times like the Audrey Loeb/Liefeld page when I felt like that dialogue was taken from a conversation the two of them actually had. Great issue.
On another note...I'm a huge Millar fan. Yes, he did write Trouble, and that book was...pretty lame. But I loved Ultimate X-Men and especially Ultimates! Chosen, Superman: Red Son...I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, but I love the guy. Mostly. Oh!! His ongoing Ultimate Fantastic Four run is some of the best stuff ever done in the Ult. U. You can't deny that introducing Ultimate Zombies, a badass Namor, making the Skrulls cool, and writing three pages of Ult. Doom that is better than 6 issues of Ellis's stuff isn't classic. Red Son has one of my favorite endings of all time. I can go on and on.
SpideyInATree
06-04-2006, 06:38 PM
On another note...I'm a huge Millar fan. Yes, he did write Trouble, and that book was...pretty lame. But I loved Ultimate X-Men and especially Ultimates! Chosen, Superman: Red Son...I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, but I love the guy. Mostly. Oh!! His ongoing Ultimate Fantastic Four run is some of the best stuff ever done in the Ult. U. You can't deny that introducing Ultimate Zombies, a badass Namor, making the Skrulls cool, and writing three pages of Ult. Doom that is better than 6 issues of Ellis's stuff isn't classic. Red Son has one of my favorite endings of all time. I can go on and on.
I agree with you about Millar. His Ultimate Fantastic Four run is unbelievable. Greg Land is REALLY helping it with the artwork...but that aside. I dig Millar's style and the only thing I really didn't like by him was his Marvel Knights Spider-Man run. A lot of build up to...basically...nothing.
Personally, people, in my opinion, don't enjoy Millar's writing because they seem to be making it personal rather than what the stories are about. Some fans don't like him because he's pretty political. I've heard many say how they hate the way he writes Ultimate Captain America...and I think it's fantastic. Some people just have a different view.
Darthphere
06-04-2006, 09:29 PM
Lets not clog this thread with Millar hate, lets stick to the important matter at hand.
supes_el
06-04-2006, 09:31 PM
good book. glad DC did this for Sam.
Anyway, as already stated....last few pages hit hard :(
hippie_hunter
06-04-2006, 09:46 PM
Have any second printings been announced yet?
Darthphere
06-04-2006, 09:47 PM
Have any second printings been announced yet?
Nope, but lets hope for more. Ill buy another 2 copies.
Purple Man
06-05-2006, 01:54 AM
His Ultimate X-Men was average at best (Vaughan is what gave that series spark), Ultimates thrives on shock value and solid artwork and the jury's still out on Civil War.
Also, he wrote Trouble.
****ing hack is what he is. :down
I could read the script to Ultimates and still get excited about it.
Someone seems to be looking for somebody to release their angst on.
Fledermaus
06-21-2006, 08:29 PM
Did anybody else have two covers on their issue of S/B 27? Because I did.
Ultimate_Superman
06-22-2006, 08:13 AM
I didn't thought I like how they paid respects to the Earth-2 Superman and Batman and its good to finally see Superman/Batman coming out on time again.
lceman
06-22-2006, 08:35 AM
Did anybody else have two covers on their issue of S/B 27? Because I did.
2 Covers?? What were they. I only saw was this one with Huntress and Powergirl.
http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/5199_400x600.jpg (javascript:void(0))
WOLVERINE25TH
06-22-2006, 09:16 AM
This series is one twsiting confusing mind****. Should be retitled The Strange Adventures of Supes/Bats.
Ultimate_Superman
06-22-2006, 09:19 AM
Not really the story was about Earth-2 Superman, Batman,Power Girl and Huntress (Batman and Catwoman's Daughter) The story is Power Girl remmbering hier days with them sort of like a Crisis tie-in you could say. But it is more like Power Girl not forgetting her past and how Earth-2 Superman will always be with her.
Motown Marvel
06-22-2006, 12:56 PM
i f**king despise verheiden....he seriously is the new chuck austen.
Purple Man
06-22-2006, 01:30 PM
Most definitly the worst issue of Superman/Batman since the Pat Lee issue.
Binker
06-22-2006, 01:54 PM
On #26: It was too good of an issue but a sad oen to review. So its not something for me to rank, lets say.
On #27: I didn't get it because it wasn't what I wanted to see. So don't expect a review from me on the issue. Its skipped.
regwec
06-22-2006, 02:25 PM
It was an amusing and refreshing varient on the exhausted mind swap/control theme, and its shoddy scripting can be excused in favour of good old fashioned villain-bashing.
A few things made it suffer- I've had enough of "alternate realities" for at least a decade, the artist made Huntress look like Madeleine Albright on occassion, and any story that ends in waking from a dream loses half its points.
Fledermaus
06-22-2006, 03:15 PM
2 Covers?? What were they. I only saw was this one with Huntress and Powergirl.
http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/5199_400x600.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0))
That's what mine was. But when you open up one cover, there is another cover behind it. It's the same cover. I was just wondering if I got lucky and got a mistake that made it out.
lceman
06-23-2006, 09:02 AM
That's what mine was. But when you open up one cover, there is another cover behind it. It's the same cover. I was just wondering if I got lucky and got a mistake that made it out.
That happens sometimes. It is just a printing error but there is no real extra value to it.
Spike_x1
06-23-2006, 09:06 AM
I'm holding out on buying this series again until #28 comes out. Then it'll have my full attention.
The Caped Knight
06-23-2006, 10:06 AM
I won't deny it Superman/Batman #27 was a confussing issue.
However I think this issue is proof that The baby Selina kyle has in : OYL is in fact Bruce's baby girl Helena Wayne who will one day become Huntress . just like her adult version [from Earth II].
The Caped Knight
06-23-2006, 10:07 AM
http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/3952/056cg.jpg
lol
Ultimate_Superman
06-23-2006, 10:38 AM
Its just good ol' Pre-Crisis stroy telling.
Tropico
06-23-2006, 11:01 AM
I loved how "Huntress" (really Batman) kept staring at Power Girl's chest.:D:up:
The issue might have not been rocket science but it certainly delivered in the nostalgia department. A fun issue and self contained, a rarity in this day and age. I liked it.
Purple Man
06-23-2006, 11:54 AM
I guess it wasn't that bad because it had more cleavage shots than any book with Superman and Batman I thought would be allowed to have.
The scheduling really hurt this issue though. If it came out before the current Supergirl arc it would have been enticing to see what Powergirl is doing in Kandor with Supergirl and wearing that weird ass armor with the names "Nightwing and Flamebird" but we're already two issues deep in the Supergirl story before this issue even came out.
Also it is not a dream like some may think. It's a repressed memory coming back to her.
kiuju2k
06-23-2006, 12:19 PM
All i know is currently it sucks. Is this even in continuity anymore?
Tropico
06-23-2006, 12:32 PM
Yes, it is. The fact that they show Supergirl and Power Girl in their Kandor alternate personas makes it obvious.
TheCorpulent1
06-23-2006, 12:34 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/tropicowned.jpg
Tropico
06-23-2006, 12:37 PM
:eek:
Don't'chu start troubles!!!:O
:D
Darthphere
06-23-2006, 12:43 PM
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn!
Ultimate_Superman
06-23-2006, 12:49 PM
All i know is currently it sucks. Is this even in continuity anymore?All their stories are in continuity its just that they come out so late its hard to tell what place it is in.
kiuju2k
06-23-2006, 06:31 PM
I don't try to break my neck for this one. I'm on and off. All I could tell is that its pre-crisis.... I don't read much supergirl unless i'm at the shop and browsing. It still sucks btw.
supes_el
06-25-2006, 08:51 AM
i'm glad next issue starts with a new arc...this was hard to read
Anubis
06-25-2006, 03:13 PM
I enjoyed it. Love Silver age stories with a modern spin. Didn't even mind the dream thing. They could have just had PG telling Supergirl about one of her crazy adventures back when Earth 2 exsisted, which would have seemed less silly, but over all, I liked it. Versions of characters we are likely to never see again. It's good that they are remembered now.
Darthphere
06-25-2006, 06:47 PM
Meh, im used to Superman/Batman's crazy ass stories, but this one was pretty good in comparison.
Conundrum
07-21-2006, 10:31 PM
In which month does Pat Lee's arc begin?
Mogwai
07-22-2006, 06:35 PM
How do you guys like verheiden & van sciver's first arc so far?
kpjoon
07-22-2006, 08:26 PM
Batzarro should get his own comic book hahahah.
For some reason I really like him.
regwec
07-23-2006, 01:39 PM
I liked the most recent issue- decent, solid storytelling without any Loeb-insanity.
Anubis
07-23-2006, 01:40 PM
Yeah, I thought it was okay too. Wonder who they're fighting. Shapeshifter that can duplicate powers too. Composite Man?
It was rather interesting, but I do not like the artist cpae for Batman. Nitpick yes but its just that annoying.
The Leaguer
07-25-2006, 11:56 AM
I was overjoyed when they accounted for the change made to J'onn's weakness in Trial by Fire.
Savage
08-02-2006, 06:10 PM
Okay can someone explain the climax to me? This is the first time that I've ever been so confused by a comic. What I got was this was Pre-Crisis Joker screwing around with his Myx powers he had for a while and this story was supposed to provide some kind of explaination as to why Bat-Mite and the Composite Batman Superman came into existance and I'm not even sure of that. So it would be nice if someone could just explain the entire thing to me.
Great story but I got a headache. It started out so simple.:(
Purple Man
08-03-2006, 11:15 AM
This was Jeph Loebs love letter to the zany stories of the past. Kind of like what Grant Morrison is doing with All Star Superman.
Loeb knew about Infinite Crisis and new Earth and all that so they let him do some messed up stuff.
Try not to let the story hurt your brain too much.
I'm sorry for not having any real explanations to give.
The story is completely out of continuity and was just meant for fun. Which it really was.
The Question
08-03-2006, 11:44 AM
Basically, a ways back, The Joker stole Mxy's powers. Mxy got them back, but a little bit remained inside The Joker. Mxy couldn't just take the power from him. Rules are, The Joker has to give it up willingly. So, they entered a sort of bet. The Joker created a false world (the world of the Maximums), and pitted them against Batman, Superman, and other characters. Mxy came out the victor, and freed the power from The Joker. That power came to life and became Bat-Mite.
Darthphere
08-05-2006, 02:01 PM
I really liked #28. And yes im bumping old threads.
Spike_x1
08-05-2006, 03:06 PM
Yeah, I thought it was okay too. Wonder who they're fighting. Shapeshifter that can duplicate powers too. Composite Man?The real Parasite? He fits that description.
I dunno. I skimmed through the book in the store, but I haven't fully read it yet.
Knives122
08-05-2006, 04:51 PM
I really liked #28. And yes im bumping old threads.
Which one was 28, the Superboy/Robin one with Toyman?
Green Lantern
08-05-2006, 05:10 PM
That was 26, 28 was the first issue of the new arc
Lex Luthor
08-05-2006, 06:48 PM
Issue 27 had one of the best covers so far. :)
Darthphere
08-05-2006, 06:51 PM
Superman/Batman #28 LOL! A fairly normal issue by S/B standards as Verheiden and Van Sciver do a pretty good job playing it straight. It seems something is wrong in the DCu as villains once forgotten start showing up and Superman and Batman find the cause. A personal fan of Loeb's run (one of few) I liked the return to some normalcy and im looking forward to see what transpires in this run. 8/10,
Bullseye
08-07-2006, 11:58 PM
I'm tempted on dropping Superman/Batman. I enjoyed S/B #27, so I decided to see what S/B #28 would do. Perhaps I give it a little more time.
I really wish Loeb didn't comit to Marvel. I enjoy Loeb's writing, but he should only write Kryptonians and The Batman.
regwec
08-08-2006, 03:34 PM
I think that Loeb is past his use-by date.
Darthphere
08-08-2006, 03:40 PM
Thats pretty harsh, considering hes not even on the book anymore.
regwec
08-08-2006, 04:00 PM
But he's still alive. :)
Darthphere
08-08-2006, 04:02 PM
Jeph Loeb wrote The Long Halloween, Daredevil Yellow, Spider-Man Blue, Hulk Grey, Batman Hush, SUperman for All Seasons, I can take a bad title here and there from him.
regwec
08-08-2006, 04:04 PM
I also, but I shall still stamp on his testicles for each and every one.
Bullseye
08-10-2006, 12:24 AM
Loeb's last story arc in Superman/Batman didn't appeal to me at all. McGuiness didn't help it either and I thought his art was a little off compared to his first run on Superman/Batman.
Spike_x1
08-10-2006, 08:07 AM
I think that Loeb is past his use-by date.Indeed.Loeb's last story arc in Superman/Batman didn't appeal to me at all. McGuiness didn't help it either and I thought his art was a little off compared to his first run on Superman/Batman.Yeah, McGuinness' art really did bring that arc down, and I'm usually a big fan of his work.
The only exceptionally good Superman story I've read from Loeb was For All Seasons. I've seen people call Loeb the best Superman writer of all time, and it boggles my mind. With Batman, he's proven that he's really good (Hush, TLH, DV), but Superman? Not in my eyes. Loeb's had way more misses than hits when he writes Supes.
Bullseye
09-05-2006, 10:43 AM
I've read through Loeb's run on Superman, which also marked the debut of McGuinness first work Superman although I'm not positive it is McGuiness first work on Superman; I thought Loeb did good work with his run on the book.
I think Loeb is truly good when he writes Kryptonians and Batman, it's not perfection from him but it is his some of his better work.
I'm enjoying Van Sciver's work on the current story. I really enjoy Van Sciver's work on Green Lantern so I knew I'd like this.
I hate the spines Van Sciver puts in bats cape! That is so annoying!
Bullseye
09-05-2006, 09:58 PM
I've noticed the extra detail Van Sciver adds to Batman's cape. It really doesn't bother me all that much. And really, his addition to the cape makes the cape looks more adequate to help Batman glide over the streets of Gotham.
Binker
09-05-2006, 11:33 PM
In case anyone wants to know, I always review comic issues of any arc, and I know I haven't reviewed any of the issues of the current arc, I'm plan is, just like the previous arcs I reviewerd to be "up to date", I'm gonna review the whole arc once its finished.
regwec
09-06-2006, 03:41 PM
Whew, that's a relief.
Darthphere
09-06-2006, 03:42 PM
This really isnt a diss to Binker, god bless him but I dont think ive ever read one of his reviews.
Spike_x1
09-06-2006, 03:51 PM
Me neither, honestly.
Darthphere
09-06-2006, 03:52 PM
Dont let us hold you down Binker, you keep posting them reviews!
I still dont like Scivers Cape! I know its a nit pick but it really makes the book hard for me to read. I dont see why the spines need to be there.
Binker
09-06-2006, 06:32 PM
Whew, that's a relief.
...that has to be a joke.
This really isnt a diss to Binker, god bless him but I dont think ive ever read one of his reviews.
Huh???
Me neither, honestly.
AHHHHHH!!!!
Dont let us hold you down Binker, you keep posting them reviews!
I'm surprised that you guys don't care or don't read any of my reviews. What's wrong with them? This is not just the site I use to post them, I post the same reviews here in 2-3 other sites. But still, man....
Fledermaus
09-06-2006, 06:33 PM
I still dont like Scivers Cape! I know its a nit pick but it really makes the book hard for me to read. I dont see why the spines need to be there.
The way Batman's cape looks makes it hard for you to read the comic? Maybe there is a cream for that.
Darthphere
09-06-2006, 06:36 PM
I'm surprised that you guys don't care or don't read any of my reviews. What's wrong with them? This is not just the site I use to post them, I post the same reviews here in 2-3 other sites. But still, man....
As far as i know, nothing is wrong with them, I just dont read them.
The way Batman's cape looks makes it hard for you to read the comic? Maybe there is a cream for that.
Well I mean the artistic look it has to it just bothers my eyes but i live with it. If there is a cream please inform me on where I can get it! Thanks.
regwec
09-07-2006, 03:46 PM
I'm surprised that you guys don't care or don't read any of my reviews. What's wrong with them? This is not just the site I use to post them, I post the same reviews here in 2-3 other sites. But still, man....
I'm given to understand that there is nothing particulary "wrong" with J.K. Rowling's books, but I shall never read one.
Bullseye
09-26-2006, 10:47 PM
S/B seems to be lacking with this current story arc. The only promising aspect of this story arc has been Van Sciver.
Mogwai
09-28-2006, 08:27 AM
S/B seems to be lacking with this current story arc. The only promising aspect of this story arc has been Van Sciver.
and he's leaving mid-arc for green lantern :csad:
Bullseye
09-28-2006, 01:38 PM
Well, that's just not cool.
:cmad:
Ultimate_Superman
10-19-2006, 01:01 PM
So with this issue next week we get the retelling of how Superman and Batman found out each others secret identities. I for one am looking forward to seeing this issue.
TheCorpulent1
10-19-2006, 03:49 PM
I hope it's just like the animated series. That way I can just watch those episodes again and save my money. :)
WompuM
10-19-2006, 03:56 PM
Too bad Supe's didn't have his x-ray vision when Supernova caught him.
TheCorpulent1
10-19-2006, 03:59 PM
Totally. Then they could stop dragging this tepid mystery out over weeks and weeks. I'm sorry, a mystery that's strung out needs to be intense to maintain the interest, not shuffled off out of sight for weeks on end until the next tiny excuse for a clue shows up.
Purple Man
10-19-2006, 04:03 PM
With like 52 different mysteries in 52 you gotta be patient.
Or you can just keep complaining. It's not like anyone can stop you.
TheCorpulent1
10-19-2006, 04:08 PM
You're learning how it works. :oldrazz:
Since you were nice this time, however, I'll discuss the matter intelligently. Maybe it just feels like Supernova's at an impasse because there aren't really many mysteries that they're milking purely as mysteries in 52 besides Supernova. The other mysteries have unfolded or are unfolding into continuing stories nicely. It's just Supernova that seems to be throwing one incredibly obtuse clue out every third or fourth week and then throwing up a brick wall of nothingness. Ralph's progressed from his suicidal beginning to full-on psychosis to angry magical journeyman. We've seen who's got the mad scientists, where they're being kept, and what they're doing. Black Adam's story is progressing smoothly with Montoya and the Question in tow as often as not. Booster's died and Skeets has been revealed as a villain (whether this still ties into Supernova like it did when Booster was alive and jealous of him remains to be seen). Lots of development on the Everyman/Lex/Steel front. But Supernova just seems to be ignored more often than not.
Darthphere
10-19-2006, 08:30 PM
Is Verheiden writing this?
droogiedroogie2
10-19-2006, 09:24 PM
You're learning how it works. :oldrazz:
Since you were nice this time, however, I'll discuss the matter intelligently. Maybe it just feels like Supernova's at an impasse because there aren't really many mysteries that they're milking purely as mysteries in 52 besides Supernova. The other mysteries have unfolded or are unfolding into continuing stories nicely. It's just Supernova that seems to be throwing one incredibly obtuse clue out every third or fourth week and then throwing up a brick wall of nothingness. Ralph's progressed from his suicidal beginning to full-on psychosis to angry magical journeyman. We've seen who's got the mad scientists, where they're being kept, and what they're doing. Black Adam's story is progressing smoothly with Montoya and the Question in tow as often as not. Booster's died and Skeets has been revealed as a villain (whether this still ties into Supernova like it did when Booster was alive and jealous of him remains to be seen). Lots of development on the Everyman/Lex/Steel front. But Supernova just seems to be ignored more often than not.Huh. It has a mind after all. So all this time, you've just been refusing to discuss anything with an iota of sense, because people aren't NICE to you? Did you just get a few too many swirlies from the jocks in middle school, or what? Coming from someone with so little respect for the opinions of others, this rings a little strange.
Purple Man
10-19-2006, 10:26 PM
Hmm, I think the deal with Supernova is that the mystery is only a bit part. His only real story is that he's a new super hero that no one knows the identity of. This time us the readers are being left out of the loop as well.
Like Batwoman, Supernova hasn't had his time to shine yet. The early introduction was probably just to establish the short lived feud with Booster before his demise.
We still got twenty eight weeks to go! It's gonna be a hell of a ride!
Tropico
10-19-2006, 10:34 PM
You're learning how it works. :oldrazz:
Since you were nice this time, however, I'll discuss the matter intelligently.
LOL, you got confused on posters.:D Too bad youcan't take it back.:oldrazz::woot:
Binker
10-26-2006, 11:24 AM
ANNUAL review:
SPOILERS INCLUDED
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PLOT:
How did Superman and Batman discover each other's secret identities? Why was Deathstroke after Bruce Wayne on one of his earliest assignments? How do Ultraman and Owlman fit into this? And why are they all on a cruise into the Bermuda Triangle?
REVIEW:
As we take a break from the current arc of the series, we're offered an annual issue for the wait. As the plot said, this is basically a recap of the characters and their history. Not from the Superman/Batman series itself, but from the DCU continunity. But at the same time, the tagline on the cover "A Re-Imagined Story" and the certain things from this issue, that leds to the idea that maybe its not part of the continunity. So is it part of the main continunity? Maybe. Is it not? Maybe. The reason why the same answer is given is because I think it falls with not just DC Comics but you guys as well.
Again, SPOILERS INCLUDED since this gives away the whole annual.
The story is like this: for some time now, Superman & Batman have appeared together yet don't know each other's identities but swear to each other than each will know. Clark & Lois go on a cruise in route to the Bermuda Triangle and as it turns out, so is Bruce Wayne. In the first comedic/comedy bits, the computer messed up their rooms and while Lois gets her own room, Bruce and Clark have to sleep in the same bed. While Clark & Lois dance later that night, Bruce cuts in and Deeathstroke (on assignment to kill Wayne) gives Bruce a poisoned drink, only to saved by Clark via heat vision. Clark & Bruce can't sleep (for good reason) and a huge noise is heard and big lights are around the ship. Bruce and Clark try to make excuses to leave but then Bruce decides to knock Clark out with a tranquilizer gun but the tranquilizer bounces off, both of them know how the other is.
Then things turn strange when someone looking like Deathstroke (whose costume in negetive brighter colors) enters their room followed by the real Deathstroke. Outside, Lois sees what she thinks is Superman & Batman together, but its actually Ultraman & Owlman from Earth 3, with Ultraman fighting Superman, Owlman kissing Lois thinking she's Superwoman from Earth 3, while the actual Superwoman attacks Bruce. All the crazy things later, Batman uses his batboat to zap Ultraman with kryptonite and the Earth 3 characters are forced back home. At the end, its reveal Mr. Mxyzptlk, talking to a bizarro publisher, planned the whole situation because he says today's stories need angst as he holds up a silver age Superman issue: Superman #76. http://www.yozone.fr/IMG/jpg/Superman76bis.jpg
So y'see what I mean? Did it really happen or not? We don't know. So until we hear something from DC, its up to us to say wheather we believe it to be real or not.
But how was the issue itself? It was good. It had funny moments that made you laugh (out loud or silently) when you read it. It had action and you had our Earth-1 World's Finest fighting the Earth-3 World's Finest. The art was done by Ed McGuinness and whe I was reading it, I was stuck down by the story. So the art was fine in my opinion.
Overall, this series' first annual was actually a good one. I liked it, it was funny, exciting, and we're left with questions of wheather or not this is actually in DCU continunity. Of course, if not DC, we still have the two new books coming: Superman Confidential & Batman Confidential, that deals with their early years.
RATING: 8/10
Purple Man
10-26-2006, 03:01 PM
The anti-matter Deathstroke was as close as DC could possibly get to imitating Deadpool, who was as close as Marvel could get to imitating Deathstroke, so it all goes in confusing circles.
Between the double splash and the last page, this was one of the few super hero books where I nearly laughed out loud. We need more fun stories like this. Definitly warranted an annual.
Eds art seemed off without Dexter Vines backing him off but did not detract at all from an excellent story.
Ultimate_Superman
10-26-2006, 03:26 PM
I just loved seeing the Titan's Tomorrow. It was nice to have Conner back even if only for a couple of pages.
Docker2.0
10-26-2006, 08:20 PM
I loved this annual only becuase of the appearance of Deadpool. It was DC's way to take Marvel's bite of Deathstroke to make Deadpool. They did it in a fun way.
Darthphere
10-26-2006, 08:20 PM
The anti-matter Deathstroke was as close as DC could possibly get to imitating Deadpool, who was as close as Marvel could get to imitating Deathstroke, so it all goes in confusing circles.
Between the double splash and the last page, this was one of the few super hero books where I nearly laughed out loud. We need more fun stories like this. Definitly warranted an annual.
Eds art seemed off without Dexter Vines backing him off but did not detract at all from an excellent story.
Dexter Vines worked on this book.:huh:
Either way, I love S/B, fun crazy ass stories.
Bullseye
10-26-2006, 08:44 PM
S/B Annual is the last S/B issue I will pick up. Or whenever Van Sciver leaves the title I will drop S/B from my pull list.
MaskedManJRK
10-26-2006, 11:15 PM
I loved this annual only becuase of the appearance of Deadpool. It was DC's way to take Marvel's bite of Deathstroke to make Deadpool. They did it in a fun way.
It was espically good since it was written by Deadpool's creator, Joe Kelly. :woot:
I loved it--great mix of cool action and clever comedy. :up:
The Leaguer
10-27-2006, 01:08 PM
It was espically good since it was written by Deadpool's creator, Joe Kelly. :woot:
I loved it--great mix of cool action and clever comedy. :up:
Kelly didn't create Deadpool.
Liefeld did.
S/B Annual is the last S/B issue I will pick up. Or whenever Van Sciver leaves the title I will drop S/B from my pull list.
Matthew Clark is going to be doing the art soon.
I loved the annual it was just a fun book, I especially loved Mxy's line about the 'Civil crisis of identical wars':woot:
cerealkiller182
10-27-2006, 01:19 PM
I was impressed with the Deadpool double. It was actually very well-written in regards to DP.
supermarvelman
10-27-2006, 04:21 PM
I loved him, to bad he didnt get to say his name.
batnkevlar
10-27-2006, 09:24 PM
Haha, he fell over or something...
The Leaguer
10-28-2006, 12:50 AM
This annual was one of the best comics I've read in a long, long time.
sethcohen
04-05-2007, 09:57 AM
anyone get the new issue? i have loved this story so far, but this issue pissed me off... could Bats have been more out of character? you mean to tell me he was unwilling to use a nuke on the white martians but now hell nuke some other race? wtf? what happened to not killing? the art was fantastic though!
Batman nuked some aliens? :huh:
sethcohen
04-05-2007, 10:56 AM
a) dude... i used spoilertags for a reason... dont be a jerk
b) he was going to, supes talked him out of it...
Haha, either way, that's stupid. Especially since post-Crisis Bats is suposed to be a mo nicer mo gooder Bats.
Steelsheen
04-06-2007, 10:11 AM
Black Rock Batman is so badass! :cool: thats what i loved most about these issues. overall it was a good run, started off pretty strong but for some reason it kinda faltered at some parts towards the end, specially how Superman and Batman shook off the effects of the Black Rock, maybe its just me but i couldnt believe it could be that simple: Supes going sentimental and Bats being beaten the crap out, then going sentimental. anyway i appreciate the fact that Batman is addressing his trust issues relative to his friendship with Superman and that he's making efforts to make ammends.
TheCorpulent1
04-06-2007, 10:42 AM
anyone get the new issue? i have loved this story so far, but this issue pissed me off... could Bats have been more out of character? you mean to tell me he was unwilling to use a nuke on the white martians but now hell nuke some other race? wtf? what happened to not killing? the art was fantastic though!
Huh. That is very out of character for him. Of course, Nightwing was willing to let innocents be killed in service to an Outsiders mission and happily tagged along with Montoya in 52 while she killed the people they were fighting without saying a word, so maybe the whole Bat-family's morals have changed. That'd be lame, but it'd explain the seeming inconsistency between the staunchly anti-killing Batman of a few years ago and the current Batman and Nightwing.
sethcohen
04-06-2007, 10:56 AM
know what else would explain that shiz? bad writing
TheCorpulent1
04-06-2007, 11:09 AM
Well, yeah, but I figured I'd try not being cynical for once.
sethcohen
04-06-2007, 12:01 PM
thats ok, i can pick up the slack :-D
Prognosticator
04-17-2007, 09:01 AM
So....I haven't read anything past Loeb's run on S/B. Is it any good, or is S/B just 'throw-away meh'?
Not even all of Loeb's run was good. So..."throw-away meh."
Prognosticator
04-17-2007, 09:17 AM
I'll never bother picking up the trade then. Thanks!
Mogwai
04-17-2007, 11:47 PM
I have the first 2 trades of this series, the rest wasn't that great. I've lost interest in it completely after this last arc.
Sawyer
06-19-2007, 12:21 PM
I really enjoyed his run and I'm wondering if the latest stories have been as good as the stuff he cranked out.
Darthphere
06-19-2007, 12:30 PM
I like it. It's stupid fun.
Motown Marvel
06-19-2007, 01:06 PM
the book sucks terribly now, and it pisses me off. like....its REALLY REALLY REALLY bad, embarassing bad.
and the thing is, i remember at comic con last year, the editor of the book was saying how they want to focus on and do "wonky" stories. which is like, WTF? here you have two of the best, most iconic, and most popular comic characters of all time...and you want to do "wonky" stories? thats bull s#!t. Batman/Superman should have the biggest and baddest most epic blockbuster stories. it should be an honor for artists and writers to get this job, it should be a highly sought coveted job at DC, and only the best of the best should get that job. this book should be a top seller month after month.
instead, we're being fed s#!t. i would like DC to show more respect for these characters.
TheCorpulent1
06-19-2007, 01:17 PM
The book wasn't all that great under Loeb, as far as I'm concerned...
Prognosticator
06-19-2007, 01:20 PM
^ Ouch!
I liked his run. It was honestly "wonky" in its own right, but wonky in a good way. However, I'm afraid DC's top duo has taken a turn for the wonkiest....Um, I mean that in a negative way. :(
TheCorpulent1
06-19-2007, 01:21 PM
Loeb's run gave us Supergirl. For that, I will never forgive him.
Prognosticator
06-19-2007, 01:22 PM
Touche
Darthphere
06-19-2007, 01:35 PM
the book sucks terribly now, and it pisses me off. like....its REALLY REALLY REALLY bad, embarassing bad.
and the thing is, i remember at comic con last year, the editor of the book was saying how they want to focus on and do "wonky" stories. which is like, WTF? here you have two of the best, most iconic, and most popular comic characters of all time...and you want to do "wonky" stories? thats bull s#!t. Batman/Superman should have the biggest and baddest most epic blockbuster stories. it should be an honor for artists and writers to get this job, it should be a highly sought coveted job at DC, and only the best of the best should get that job. this book should be a top seller month after month.
instead, we're being fed s#!t. i would like DC to show more respect for these characters.
Like giving them each like 4 different titles so we don't have to hear bull**** like this?
Also, the book does sell incredibly well for what it is.
Spike_x1
06-19-2007, 02:45 PM
Loeb's run gave us Supergirl. For that, I will never forgive him.Public Enemies was good, but as soon as that was finished, I think that Loeb passed his expiration date. :csad:
Supergirl and Absolute Power.... *cringe*
ImrtlLimpWrist
06-19-2007, 02:50 PM
Yowza, I loved the introduction of Supergirl. Loved it. Stopped buying after the arc with the grown-up Legionaires.
donk70
06-19-2007, 03:32 PM
Actually, for a title that has a lot of potential, DC has never let it live up to that.
Too much camp and Sci Fi for my taste
Sawyer
06-19-2007, 10:12 PM
Yowza, I loved the introduction of Supergirl. Loved it. Stopped buying after the arc with the grown-up Legionaires.
I couldnt agree more. I loved Supergirl, and also didnt care for the third arc.
The Leaguer
06-19-2007, 10:22 PM
Loeb's run went from great (Public Enemies) to entertaining-as-long-as-you-don't-stop-to-think-about-it (Supergirl) to terrible (Absolute Power) to pretty good (Vengeance). Since then, it went from boring (Verheiden's first story) to weak (current story).
fifthfiend
06-19-2007, 11:51 PM
You know I just want to point out:
Public Enemies: Prominently features Powergirl's boobies.
Every arc after Public Enemies: Powergirl's boobies inexplicably go without mention.
I think that pretty much sums it up altogether.
Spike_x1
06-20-2007, 07:26 AM
Loeb's run went from great (Public Enemies) to entertaining-as-long-as-you-don't-stop-to-think-about-it (Supergirl) to terrible (Absolute Power) to pretty good (Vengeance). Since then, it went from boring (Verheiden's first story) to weak (current story).Oh yeah, I forgot about "Vengeance." IMO, it was kinda meh in both the story and art department. The only worthwhile bits were Bizarro's shenanigans and Darkseid trapping Supes in the Source Wall and then basically telling Mxyzptlk to piss off.
ImrtlLimpWrist
06-20-2007, 08:56 AM
Power Girl's boobs are, I think, the best-running gag in all of comics. Those guys must hang out at the water cooler daring each other to go bigger.
Prognosticator
06-20-2007, 09:01 AM
I know I would!
Blaktin America
06-20-2007, 03:56 PM
The comic really bites now, but U buy it hoping for a change. I guess I should stop.
Steelsheen
06-20-2007, 04:03 PM
i liked it since it started, but then again i'm thinking its target demographic would be the kids (given the artwork at times)
i like the Metal Men run though.
the Absolute Power storyline was confusing at times.
TheCorpulent1
06-20-2007, 04:17 PM
Loeb's run went from great (Public Enemies) to entertaining-as-long-as-you-don't-stop-to-think-about-it (Supergirl) to terrible (Absolute Power) to pretty good (Vengeance). Since then, it went from boring (Verheiden's first story) to weak (current story).
Even Public Enemies gets docked some points for that ****ty Batman/Shiva fight. :o
Spidey Rules 2
06-20-2007, 04:49 PM
The last arc I collected was the one right before "The Metal Men". I don't know too much about them (other than what I read in 52), but I thought that it was good time to stop. So in it's place I picked up "The Brave and the Bold". So far that's okay, but one bad arc and I'm gone (I won't wait like I did for Superman/Batman).
Arkady Rossovich
06-20-2007, 07:59 PM
the book sucks terribly now.
i remember at comic con last year, the editor of the book was saying how they want to focus on and do "wonky" stories. which is like, WTF? here you have two of the best, most iconic, and most popular comic characters of all time...and you want to do "wonky" stories? thats bull s#!t. Batman/Superman should have the biggest and baddest most epic blockbuster stories.
instead, we're being fed s#!t. i would like DC to show more respect for these characters.
I agree,i thought Loeb`s run was good..but it could have been far better.I dont hear much from it now.As far as i know,the only decent run of his was the new Supergirl arc..and i dont remember anything else.
Sawyer
06-20-2007, 09:38 PM
It sucks now. Maybe loeb should come back to it. I'd take my chances. Also am I the only one that is sick of the metal men?
It's a shame that Marvel has him for now, althought it should prove interesting to see what he does with The Ultimates. Hope he doesnt f*** it up...
Assassin
06-20-2007, 11:55 PM
I've bought every issue, but I havent read them since the batzaro arc, I tried, but i couldnt. I just dropped it last week when I saw Pat Lee's art.
yenaled
06-21-2007, 09:02 AM
This topic suggests Loeb's run was good and that I cannot agree on.
Public Enemies was good. The rest was anywhere from "meh" to "this guy wrote The Long Halloween? :huh:"
Prognosticator
06-21-2007, 09:41 AM
I agree,i thought Loeb`s run was good..but it could have been far better.I dont hear much from it now.As far as i know,the only decent run of his was the new Supergirl arc..and i dont remember anything else.
Uh, you may have gotten that backwards since the SG arc is arguably the weakest (at least the last half of it). But Loeb's overall run is good when considered as a whole and not by individual arcs.
It sucks now. Maybe loeb should come back to it. I'd take my chances. Also am I the only one that is sick of the metal men?
Maybe it's too late since he signed exclusively with Marvel....plus, he got ran out of ideas with his favorite DC characters.
And judging by Onslaught Reborn, he's just running out of good ideas. :(
The Batman
06-21-2007, 10:46 AM
the book essentially peaked by the first arc...after that, it was forgettable for the most part
Spike_x1
06-21-2007, 10:53 AM
the book essentially peaked by the first arc...after that, it was forgettable for the most partBatman punching Darkseid and then Darkseid sullying his hands by personally coming down to earth to duke it out with Superman on the Kent farm are things that I wish I could forget. :csad::down
storyteller
06-21-2007, 12:43 PM
I dont even understand the series anymore. Is it even in continuity? Batman and superman like they have first met certain characters for the first time or Batman has returned to his uber suspicious brother eye creating self.
TheCorpulent1
06-21-2007, 01:04 PM
No one knows what's in continuity anymore.
Steelsheen
06-21-2007, 03:42 PM
I dont even understand the series anymore. Is it even in continuity? Batman and superman like they have first met certain characters for the first time or Batman has returned to his uber suspicious brother eye creating self.
it follows continuity as much as it could. althought expectedly there are times where its inconsistent with how a character behaves or how/when events took place.
Delete
06-22-2007, 12:06 AM
Superman/Batman #40 looks pretty good. Seems Bruce is going to start having sex with Gods.
Spider-Bat
06-24-2007, 10:45 PM
I just picked up the hard cover collection of Enemies among us, it's really good so far. I only got up tio the fight with Kilowog. I love the first artist, his Superman and, Batman is Superb. I lovehow he draws Batman's cape, all leathery and it has that bat wing look to it.
I don't like the artist that takes over the next part, crappy, but that last artist looks alright. I forgot the first artist's name but too bad he did not do the whole story.
Spider-Bat
06-24-2007, 10:46 PM
This topic suggests Loeb's run was good and that I cannot agree on.
Loeb's first 2 stories were okay, I love the first one, but that fourth one got really weird.:wow:
IMO, Superman/Batman wasn't that great throughout its entire run.
yahman
06-25-2007, 03:45 PM
I wish the book was written out of continuity, in one of the other 'universes' or an elseworld, becasue although its fun its very hard to take seriously. :yay:
TheCorpulent1
06-26-2007, 01:00 PM
I don't understand why, though. The book should've been like a scaled down Justice League with the two biggest heroes in the universe taking on major threats.
fifthfiend
06-27-2007, 01:24 AM
But you know what I liked about the first arcs of S/B? Was how they were both sort of pretty much totally gay for each other the entire time.
TheCorpulent1
06-27-2007, 08:13 AM
Maybe that's why the series hasn't worked. Too many homoerotic undertones. :dry:
Darthphere
06-27-2007, 11:27 AM
This upcoming arc looks tight as hell.
TheCorpulent1
06-27-2007, 11:32 AM
They still publish this? I thought it was getting canceled soon for some reason.
Darthphere
06-27-2007, 11:35 AM
No, there's a new arc coming up by Alan Burnett and Dustin Nguyen.
TheCorpulent1
06-27-2007, 11:39 AM
Oh yeah, I was excited about that when I saw the solicitation. Amazing what I forget in a few months' time. I'll start picking it up again with that arc. I'm still annoyed that Manifest Eternity just up and vanished with no explanation. Nguyen was doing some really interesting work on that.
fifthfiend
06-30-2007, 04:02 AM
Maybe that's why the series hasn't worked. Too many homoerotic undertones. :dry:
More like not enough!:cmad:
CLARKY
07-03-2007, 04:53 PM
I really enjoyed his run and I'm wondering if the latest stories have been as good as the stuff he cranked out.
Well the first arc was not bad but I keep thinking that it would have been necessary to make more than only 6 poor issues about the fall of Lex Luthor. I think The big big fall of Lex Luthor need more than that, especially since he was defeated by Superman and Batman.
The rest of the comicbook was just meh for me. And it became unbearable with Verheiden's story (ught it at first because I liked Verheiden on Superman) and the last ones. Now I've taken a new interest in this book because of Alan Burnett. I really hope it will be good. The first issue was not bad.
Motown Marvel
07-23-2007, 01:19 PM
verheiden is gone. the past two issues have had a new creative team, and they've been pretty good!
TheCorpulent1
07-23-2007, 02:18 PM
Alan Burnett and Dustin Nguyen.
Darthphere
07-23-2007, 10:12 PM
verheiden is gone. the past two issues have had a new creative team, and they've been pretty good!
Honestly, I've been disappointed so far. I've seen better from Dustin and the story really isn't catching me.
KrypJonian
07-24-2007, 05:21 AM
Jeph Loeb is a sh**ty writer, it's a damn shame he teams up with such good artists, otherwise I would never read his sh**
John Corben possibly being Bruce Wayne's parents' killer?
F**king please....
Seriously guys, let it go, this title is only as good as it's artists, and barely that...
Darthphere
07-24-2007, 10:03 AM
Jeph Loeb is a sh**ty writer, it's a damn shame he teams up with such good artists, otherwise I would never read his sh**
John Corben possibly being Bruce Wayne's parents' killer?
F**king please....
Seriously guys, let it go, this title is only as good as it's artists, and barely that...
It's already established who killed Bruce's parents unfortunately.
And again, Jeph Loeb hasn't been on for like the last 12 issues.:huh:
Motown Marvel
07-24-2007, 11:50 AM
Honestly, I've been disappointed so far. I've seen better from Dustin and the story really isn't catching me.
i dunno, for whatever reason im digging it. not in a huge way, its just enjoyable. or maybe thats only because verheiden was so bad, this seems much easier to swallow.
Kitsune
07-24-2007, 11:55 AM
It's already established who killed Bruce's parents unfortunately.
Joe Chilton?
TheCorpulent1
07-24-2007, 03:51 PM
Batman's parents were black?
hippie_hunter
07-24-2007, 08:52 PM
Loeb's run went from great (Public Enemies) to entertaining-as-long-as-you-don't-stop-to-think-about-it (Supergirl) to terrible (Absolute Power) to pretty good (Vengeance). Since then, it went from boring (Verheiden's first story) to weak (current story).
This sums up the book perfectly if you ask me.
CLARKY
07-25-2007, 01:20 PM
I'm currently reading the Alan Burnett's story and I find it more enjoyable than the last issues, for now. I'm not sure about the story yet but I like how he depicted Batman and Superman. Nevertheless, I do have difficulties with the art!
TheCorpulent1
07-25-2007, 01:57 PM
I'm just glad that Superman Returns rehash with the self-replicating Kryptonite was just a dream.
SenseiofCheese
08-07-2008, 05:15 PM
Did anyone get Superman/Batman #50?
Hot damn, that issue had some good art. I always love when this title explores the relationship between Clark and Bruce, and I enjoyed the latest issue. The story itself was, I suppose, handled as well as one could have hoped for, but that doesn't mean it should have been done. I mean, come on, Jor-El and Thomas Wayne meeting before their sons were born feels about as forced as something can. I enjoy when little connections are made between character's origins or what have you, but this is pushing it. I had the same reaction I did when I saw that Harley Quinn and the Joker met before either of them took up their villain identities in the Joker Origin arc from Batman Confidential. "Oh, come on! Really?"
But the best thing about the issue, by far, was the art. Fantastic job all around, especially that stunning last page of the issue.
The Eagle Host
08-07-2008, 06:18 PM
This book has been overwhelmingly good since these guys first took over. It's been one of the only DC books I've been able to pick up without any doubt in my mind about how good it's going to be.
steelio2006
08-08-2008, 05:19 PM
i'm bout to start pickin up Superman/Batman again. i got a couple of issues from the Darkseid arc before but that was it. i usually just wait till paperbacks.
Yeah this past issue was friggin awesome! I loved it, I would encourage this book to ANYONE!
RazTheGreat
08-10-2008, 08:23 AM
Did anyone get Superman/Batman #50?
Hot damn, that issue had some good art. I always love when this title explores the relationship between Clark and Bruce, and I enjoyed the latest issue. The story itself was, I suppose, handled as well as one could have hoped for, but that doesn't mean it should have been done. I mean, come on, Jor-El and Thomas Wayne meeting before their sons were born feels about as forced as something can. I enjoy when little connections are made between character's origins or what have you, but this is pushing it. I had the same reaction I did when I saw that Harley Quinn and the Joker met before either of them took up their villain identities in the Joker Origin arc from Batman Confidential. "Oh, come on! Really?"
But the best thing about the issue, by far, was the art. Fantastic job all around, especially that stunning last page of the issue.
Yeah I had the same problem. As much as I enjoyed the story, I couldn't help but feel the story should of never been done to begin with. It really takes away any free will these characters have and makes it so that everything is pretty much destined to happen.
I understand the purpose of the story. To illustrate just how close Clark and Bruce are and at the same time, how far apart they are. But it doesn't mean they needed to actually do the story.
Pluto
08-10-2008, 04:42 PM
yah!
Issue 51 was not nearly as ridiculous as I thought it was going to be, friggin good issue.
BrianWilly
08-23-2008, 04:32 PM
It was ****ing awesome.
The Eagle Host
08-23-2008, 04:39 PM
God almighty, every month I swear this book can't get any better and every month I'm proven wrong.
I mean who thought that a story about a whole bunch of Mini-heroes would be so awesome! and was anybody else laughing there ass off?
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