What happend to Falcone's driver? [Archive] - The Superhero Hype! Boards

Beelze

03-07-2006, 10:20 AM

After Falcone sees Batman beating up his guys, he returns to his car and wants his driver to drive him away from the scene. But the driver appears to have been knocked out. At this point, Batman is just finishing up the beating of the guys inside the storage. When/how did Batman find time to go outside the storage, knock the guy out, and get back into the building and keep fighting those guys? He couldn't have done it at any time when Carmine was sitting in the car (since Carmine would've noticed it). The only time Carmine left the car was when he went inside to check on the guys - and Batman was in there beating them up. Bad editing or did I just miss something?

Boom

03-07-2006, 10:29 AM

Been hitting the bottle too hard I guess.

Mee

03-07-2006, 11:05 AM

Lazlo Panaflex

03-07-2006, 03:12 PM

Batman le dio una madriza.

El Payaso

03-07-2006, 03:15 PM

Having no talent for acting, he became and actor and was better than Katie Holmes.

zer00

03-07-2006, 04:47 PM

...he's Batman

And if you want to complain about that....how did Batman get in and out of that crate:o

Two-Face

03-07-2006, 04:57 PM

It's a movie for God's sake.

titan101

03-07-2006, 08:10 PM

batman threw him in the gotham city river to try and distract the viewers from him so that he could keep his spotlight.

apparently,judging by this thread,it didn't work.well,technically it did,but honestly,who cares?

chintai80

03-07-2006, 08:22 PM

The Batman is hella ninja that's why. :batman:

Batman2005

03-07-2006, 08:39 PM

use ur imagination.

knock out gas/darts for instance

ChrisBaleBatman

03-07-2006, 08:39 PM

What happened?

The Goddamn Batman is what happened.

Beelze

03-08-2006, 09:57 AM

And if you want to complain about that....how did Batman get in and out of that crate:o
Seeing as it was already open, I see no trouble in getting inside the crate. And seeing as he didn't somehow get locked inside it, I see no trouble in getting out of the crate.

It's a movie for God's sake.
And you don't agree that the less continuity errors a movie has, the better? ... I mean, not even for God's sake?

- The acting was not believable!
- It's a movie for God's sake.

- The effects were not believable!
- It's a movie for God's sake.

- The plot was incoherent, contradicting and made no sense!
- It's a movie for God's sake.

- One person was at two places at the same time!
- It's a movie, and there are Batman clones - and Batman can teleport... for God's sake.

BTW, I'm not saying those examples apply to Begins. ;)

Been hitting the bottle too hard I guess.
That was my first (dumb) rationalization, but that scenario would just be too convenient. :p

knock out gas/darts for instance
Interesting idea, but I see no evidence of any of the car windows being open - and it didn't seem like a hot day, and I don't know if the guy was smoking, so I don't know why he'd keep a window open. For the sake of rationality (or God), I will assume that was the case though.

Kind of risky knocking out the driver and then heading in to fight the thugs... I mean, what if Carmine said something to the driver, and the driver didn't respond. That would seem a bit fishy to our dear mob boss, no?

Two-Face

03-08-2006, 11:15 AM

And you don't agree that the less continuity errors a movie has, the better? ... I mean, not even for God's sake?

- The acting was not believable!
- It's a movie for God's sake.

- The effects were not believable!
- It's a movie for God's sake.

- The plot was incoherent, contradicting and made no sense!
- It's a movie for God's sake.

- One person was at two places at the same time!
- It's a movie, and there are Batman clones - and Batman can teleport... for God's sake.

BTW, I'm not saying those examples apply to Begins. ;)

You must have smoked something while writing thi crap, doesn't matter really how the driver died?

El Payaso

03-08-2006, 11:22 AM

He died???

"It's a movie, for God's sake!":mad: :mad: :mad:

Beelze

03-08-2006, 01:08 PM

You must have smoked something while writing thi crap, doesn't matter really how the driver died?
I abstain from both drugs and alcohol.

The driver died? You know this version of Batman frowns on killing, right? Anyway, it doesn't matter much in what way he was rendered UNCONSCIOUS but rather how it could've happened at all.

Maybe you just don't love and care about movies as much as I do, because you seem afraid to criticize and think of ways something could've been improved whenever it's about a movie you like.

"It's only a [insert whatever]" is just a poor excuse for not doing something better when you easily could've done it better.

Whack Arnolds

03-08-2006, 04:01 PM

The Batman is hella ninja that's why. :batman:Truer words were never spoken. :up:

ChrisBaleBatman

03-08-2006, 04:08 PM

Batman could have drugged him, maybe even BEFORE the meeting.....it's possible. It would definetly add to the "Batman Myth", dude is everywhere and nowhere all at once.

zer00

03-08-2006, 05:13 PM

Seeing as it was already open, I see no trouble in getting inside the crate. And seeing as he didn't somehow get locked inside it, I see no trouble in getting out of the crate.

So...you see no problem with him getting out of a crate while people are looking directly at it. And getting in a position to throw batarangs to knock out the lights then get to the crane?

....yet you have a problem with him knocking out one guy...

Beelze

03-09-2006, 09:55 AM

So...you see no problem with him getting out of a crate while people are looking directly at it. And getting in a position to throw batarangs to knock out the lights then get to the crane?
They weren't constantly watching it. They only turned their attention to it once they heard some sudden noise from it, at which point Batman was probably hurrying out. Also, did you happen to notice how dark it was in there? And I think he had a good amount of time to reposition himself while the other two guys were slowly moving towards the crate. Sure, he was fast, but not so fast that he was in two places at once... which is why I'm asking about what you guys thought happened to the driver. He couldn't have beaten up the thugs and knocked out the driver at the same time, so what happened?

Batman could have drugged him, maybe even BEFORE the meeting.....it's possible. It would definetly add to the "Batman Myth", dude is everywhere and nowhere all at once.
Quite possible. Would be dumb if the driver zoned out in the middle of traffic though...

Two-Face

03-09-2006, 10:59 AM

Maybe you just don't love and care about movies as much as I do, because you seem afraid to criticize and think of ways something could've been improved whenever it's about a movie you like.

"It's only a [insert whatever]" is just a poor excuse for not doing something better when you easily could've done it better.

I did criticize the movie when it came out so I'm done with that, I'm discussing how BB2 should be improved, I don't post in BB forum much as I use to.

spencer6891

03-09-2006, 12:39 PM

What happened?

The Goddamn Batman is what happened.

I tend to agree with this guy.

vasteelsfr5

03-09-2006, 05:29 PM

Perhaps it's Flass who killed him ... mystery

zer00

03-09-2006, 05:30 PM

They weren't constantly watching it. They only turned their attention to it once they heard some sudden noise from it, at which point Batman was probably hurrying out. Also, did you happen to notice how dark it was in there? And I think he had a good amount of time to reposition himself while the other two guys were slowly moving towards the crate. Sure, he was fast, but not so fast that he was in two places at once... which is why I'm asking about what you guys thought happened to the driver. He couldn't have beaten up the thugs and knocked out the driver at the same time, so what happened?

Riiiiiiiight. And I have a diamond dick.

Keyser Sushi

03-09-2006, 10:13 PM

I haven't watched the movie in a month or so, but I wonder:

1.) Do we know exactly WHEN the driver was knocked out? I don't remember ever seeing him conscious, so it's nearly impossible to pinpoint WHEN it happened.

2.) If I was Batman - and I'm not, but if I was - knocking out Falcone's driver would have been one of the FIRST things I did, not at the end, after I'd already made my presence known. Because the point is to GET Falcone, not scare him off. Therefore you take out his driver when he's not looking, THEN you divide and conquer the heavily armed thugs. Once that's done, Falcone's a sitting duck in his car, so you drop on top of it, rip him out of the sunroof, wait until you smell urine in his trousers, and then headbutt him.
Which I believe is what Batman did, in the movie, more or less.

ChrisBaleBatman

03-09-2006, 10:34 PM

Quite possible. Would be dumb if the driver zoned out in the middle of traffic though...

Well, isn't the Falcone's club nearby the Docks?

Plus, he could have had it timed.....with all the stakeouts he did, he could theoretically have drugged the driver with something that would take a certain amount of time.

I think it would be a good idea, it would create a real supernatural image in Falcone's eyes - who he's trying to really scare the crap out of - and the cops wouldn't test the guy since he's like the 10th out of 20 guys who've been knocked out.

1.) Do we know exactly WHEN the driver was knocked out? I don't remember ever seeing him conscious, so it's nearly impossible to pinpoint WHEN it happened.

Good question, I don't think we do. We don't see the driver UNTIL he's knocked out.

2.) If I was Batman - and I'm not, but if I was - knocking out Falcone's driver would have been one of the FIRST things I did, not at the end, after I'd already made my presence known. Because the point is to GET Falcone, not scare him off. Therefore you take out his driver when he's not looking, THEN you divide and conquer the heavily armed thugs. Once that's done, Falcone's a sitting duck in his car, so you drop on top of it, rip him out of the sunroof, wait until you smell urine in his trousers, and then headbutt him.
Which I believe is what Batman did, in the movie, more or less.

True. The driver is the first one you want to take out to trap Falcone- without Falcone at the docks, with the evidence and the thugs......he's not bringing down Falcone.

batadz

03-10-2006, 08:44 PM

I think keyser is right but i also think balebatman has a point about the drugs

Is it important I'don't think so

Do I care? NO

Keyser Sushi

03-10-2006, 10:12 PM

Good question, I don't think we do. We don't see the driver UNTIL he's knocked out.

Actually, a slight correction: we don't see the driver until Falcone realizes that he's been knocked out. Falcone only checked because he was trying to leave and the driver didn't seem to be in any rush.

True. The driver is the first one you want to take out to trap Falcone- without Falcone at the docks, with the evidence and the thugs......he's not bringing down Falcone.

Exactly. So we don't know HOW Batman did it, but we know he probably did it first. He could have done it, as you suggest, by some sort of chemical method. He could have delivered said chemical in any number of ways. Sure we'd think Falcone would have noticed Batman drugging his guy, unless he did it beforehand as you suggest.

Of course we also don't know if Falcone ever got out of his car, because we do not know what he did between the time that the car drove up to the site, and the time that Flass stepped into the car to talk to him. If Falcone ever left the car, or was sufficiently distracted, Batman had an opportunity. And as we all know, Batman finds or creates opportunities as he needs them.

ChrisBaleBatman

03-12-2006, 12:44 AM

Ya know....it was done that way to create the mystery. Batman is trying to create this boogeyman image for himself, and things like that,.....they add to his reputation.

Really, he probably was knocked out when Falcone was not around.

Rachel said there were fingerprints on drugs and I think the manifest as well...so, he probably did get out of the car at some point.

Thing for me is this: Bats would probably want to time it perfectly....time everything, so that it creates the situation he NEEDS. I think drugging the driver beforehand with a time orientated chemical, it might be the best move while adding the his mystery.

Beelze

03-22-2006, 08:39 AM

Thanks for your thoughts. The more of things like these that are cleared up with some kind of rational explanation, the more I like the movie. :up:

El Payaso

03-22-2006, 03:53 PM

You'd need like 10 years to watch every movie if you need eternal verbal explanations about everything.

ChrisBaleBatman

03-22-2006, 04:25 PM

Well, yeah.....

GEDRedemption

04-01-2006, 07:17 PM

Batman waits until Falcone gets out of the car and then smacks the driver upside the head.

As for getting out of the crate, he threw three Batarangs...from the crate. Once the last Batarang hit the light above the thugs, he zipped up to the crane and came down on the guy.

He's Batman, he's got the skills of the Leauge of Shadow under his utility belt.

:batman:

zer00

04-01-2006, 07:19 PM

riiiight

ChrisBaleBatman

04-01-2006, 07:38 PM

Again.......when in doubt of "How the **** did he do that"?

He's the Goddamn Batman. That's why.

God.

Damn.

Batman.

Armoured-Fury

04-01-2006, 07:56 PM

If you ask me Flass has something to do with it... He's already bumped into Batman and he's scared of him.. It's a bit strange how Flass tells Falcone to bail then gets outta the car.. Then there's a gap between then and the time Falcone goes to check it out and during that Flass gets into ANOTHER car... It's a bit odd... Flass is a dirty cop so he works both sides.. He knew that things were "going down" so he thought "Hang on.. If i drug this driver (or wateva) it'll help bring Falcone down and i wont be seen as a snitch" it also removes all evidence that he was at the scene.

You gotta think about it though.. I think Flass had something to do with it to be honest but i dunno.. Lol..

A. FURY

ChrisBaleBatman

04-01-2006, 08:02 PM

He actually ran into the Bat AFTER the docks happened.

Armoured-Fury

04-01-2006, 08:30 PM

Oh yeh i just remembered that *blushes* lol.. It's very strange how his driver was rendered unconcious...

A. FURY

ChrisBaleBatman

04-01-2006, 09:23 PM

Goddamn Batman.

Nuff said.

Armoured-Fury

04-01-2006, 09:52 PM

Yeh damn that Batman person!!

A. FURY

ShadowBoxing

04-05-2006, 06:02 PM

It's a movie for God's sake.Yeah I mean c'mon he also managed to cram all the training he ever needed into a 15 minute montage. Not exactly real life here.

ChrisBaleBatman

04-05-2006, 06:06 PM

Obviously....I mean......who can train in 15 minutes for anything?

We all need to remember....it is a movie. It's a well done film, and does it's best to cover everything.....but it cannot explain EVERYTHING. Most film can't really EXPLAIN every little thing going on.

zer00

04-05-2006, 06:09 PM

It's called imagination, something some of these people seem to refuse to use.

ChrisBaleBatman

04-05-2006, 06:14 PM

That too.

Armoured-Fury

04-05-2006, 06:56 PM

Yeh i agree with that but they didn't show 15 minutes straight of solid training did they? Most of that was parts of his past and also different days so technicly it was more..

A. FURY

Beelze

04-22-2006, 06:25 AM

You'd need like 10 years to watch every movie if you need eternal verbal explanations about everything.
Yep, that is true.

Most film can't really EXPLAIN every little thing going on.
Only the ones that make things hard to explain.

Anyway, I just wanted your thoughts as to how it happened, and I got that.