Where Are the Black Superhero Movies?

[Retroman]

Saw this good article and thought it most appropirate here. Article (pdf file) includes a photo of Wesley Snipes as Blade and Halle Berry as Storm.

From The Houston Insider:

Volume 1, No. 7  January 31 – February 6, 2006

Where Are the Black Superhero Movies?

By Thaddeus Lavalais


For yet another year, movies will be made that are based on characters that originated in comic books. While the genre of the comic book superhero does stand a chance of getting stale if there are too many of these movies flooding the market, Hollywood has so far been able to turn a decent profit off of the men in tights. One of the few bright spots of the 2005 year in movies was Batman Begins, which rebooted the Dark Knight franchise with a thoughtful take on the caped crusader. 2006 sees the return of the original superhero icon, Superman, in a blockbuster directed by Bryan Singer, who has previously reaped success with the first two XMen movies. The mutant superheroes aren’t sitting this year out either, with X-Men: The Last Stand slated to hit theaters this summer. V for Vendetta, a graphic novel written by Alan Moore, gets a big screen treatment from the Wachowski brothers (the Matrix movies). There are even more comicsbased movies scheduled for the following year, with Spider-Man 3 and Ghost Rider, starring Nicholas Cage, set for 2007 premiers. The genre has proved to be so popular that Marvel Entertainment, the company that produces comics like Spider-Man, X-Men and The Incredible Hulk, has gotten into the movie-making business, with plans to produce their own films using any of the thousands of characters that they own the rights to. The movie superhero genre is not a foolproof profit maker. Films like Daredevil, Elektra and The Hulk did less than stellar box office. Still, enough of these movies do well enough to garner a continued interest in these characters by movie makers. The genre is also fortunate enough to attract some of Hollywood’s biggest talent, with Oscar winners like Halle Berry and Nicholas Cage, respected actors like Patrick Stewart, Liam Neeson and Ian McKellan, and up-andcomers like Christian Bale, Jessica Alba and Hugh Jackman.
Still, with all this spandex-clad movie activity, one would expect a little more...diversity. Especially since the fact is, by the mid-90’s, the superhero movie genre was on its last legs. The campy, awful Batman movies directed by Joel Schumacher and starring Val Kilmer and George Clooney had pretty much turned off Hollywood to dropping big bucks on comic book properties. Then, a little film called Blade came along, with Wesley Snipes as the vampirehunting hero who was based on a minor character in Marvel’s comic Tomb of Dracula. Blade did decent box office for a moderately budgeted movie, and that set the wheels in motion for superhero movies like Spider-Man and XMen to make big box office and make the comic book hero movie a viable and popular option. Even though a movie starring a Black hero kick-started the superhero franchises again, the only other Black superhero to make it onscreen since then was the X-Men’s Storm, played by Halle Berry, a role which didn’t give the character or the actress much to do in the first two movies. So what’s the problem? Are racial issues involved in us not seeing many other noncaucasian superheroes on the big screen? The problem actually lies in the source material: comics have been for the most part scarce in the number of significant Black superheroes that have been created. Blade was a throwaway character; when he was revamped (no pun intended) for the movies, it was almost like a completely different action hero using someone else’s name. In the 1980’s, Marvel produced a handbook of all of it’s comic book characters. There was a subsequent listing of characters by racial makeup and skin color. At the time there were actually more blue skinned characters than black ones. Go figure. Things have changed for the better, however. Marvel plans to produce a Luke Cage: Hero for Hire movie, directed by John Singleton and possibly starring Tyrese Gibson. Luke Cage, also known as Power-Man, is a super strong, bulletproof hero whose gimmick is that he’ll play the hero...for a fee. He is also the character that a young Nicholas Coppola borrowed his last name from to become Nicholas Cage (maybe there will be a cameo involved).
There’s no solid production or release date, but a movie about The Black Panther has been in some form of development for years now. Marvel Entertainment head Avi Arad has said that getting this character, an African king and superhero, to the silver screen is a top priority.Other than these hero movies, there aren’t any other known black superhero characters that are in the pipeline for big screen portrayals. Will Smith will play a Black superhero in the upcoming Tonight He Comes, but the character was created just for the film. Spike TV will be producing a Blade cable TV series, with former Onyx rapper Sticky Fingaz taking over for Wesley Snipes in the title role. There have also been rumblings that a new movie about Spawn, a character created by Todd McFarlane, may see the light of day. Considering how bad the first Spawn movie was, however, this may not be good news. Still, it would be nice to see a mighty,masked brother or sister in a form-
fitting costume fighting for truth and justice before somebody makes a stinker and the superhero movie genre gets put on ice again.Source: http://thehoustoninsider.com/archive/vol1/no7.pdf

[MJB]

Their isn't a lot of quality black superheros. I really don't care to see Luke Cage. A criminal and thug for hire. Or at least it will be with Singleton at the helm. He is going to ghettoize this movie. Black Panther good be good but he has no real powers for us to be like wow. Probably storm and Spawn are the only quality Black heroes. Neither was done justice on the bigscreen. Spawn coul have been sweet but it didn't have a decent budget. Oh well.

[Red Mask]

At least Marvel has some black superheroes. Don't expect any from DC.

[roach]

Their isn't a lot of quality black superheros. I really don't care to see Luke Cage. A criminal and thug for hire. Or at least it will be with Singleton at the helm. He is going to ghettoize this movie. Black Panther good be good but he has no real powers for us to be like wow. Probably storm and Spawn are the only quality Black heroes. Neither was done justice on the bigscreen. Spawn coul have been sweet but it didn't have a decent budget. Oh well.


You really dont know alot about Luke Cage

[The Question]

I really don't care to see Luke Cage. A criminal and thug for hire. Or at least it will be with Singleton at the helm. He is going to ghettoize this movie.

Luke is from the ghetto. He's not a criminal. He was wrongly acused of a crime. And he's not a thug for hire. He's a body gaurd and private detective.

Black Panther good be good but he has no real powers for us to be like wow.

So? Neither does Batman, and people go to see his movies.

Probably storm and Spawn are the only quality Black heroes. Neither was done justice on the bigscreen.

Icon
Static
Rocket
Luke Cage
Black Panther
Black Lightning
Falcon
Storm

Those are just the ones I could think of off the top of my head.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

They should do a Static Shock movie.

[Super_Ludacris]

I wanna see a movie with a Black Captain America and use that miniseries from a couple years (Truth I think it was called)

[The Question]

They should do a Static Shock movie.


His name's Static, not Static Shock. ANyway, that might be cool. But Icon would be better.

[Nightwing]

Icon
Static
Rocket
Luke Cage
Black Panther
Black Lightning
Falcon
Storm

Those are just the ones I could think of off the top of my head.

Brother Vodoo
Black Goliath
Photon
Bishop
The Prowler
Mr. Terrific
Vixen
Cyborg

[The Question]

Thanks man. Forgot about them.

[Nightwing]

Thanks man. Forgot about them.

No problem.

There was supposed to be a Brother Vodoo show on UPN, don't know what happend to it. Read that in Wizard...

[HighVoltage]

Luke is from the ghetto. He's not a criminal. He was wrongly acused of a crime. And he's not a thug for hire. He's a body gaurd and private detective.



So? Neither does Batman, and people go to see his movies.



Icon
Static
Rocket
Luke Cage
Black Panther
Black Lightning
Falcon
Storm

Those are just the ones I could think of off the top of my head.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/high316/prowler1.jpg

Good Post, The Question.:up::)

And here´s one of my favorites;"The Prowler".

That´s a great Character.

[Super_Ludacris]

For some reason though when I see the title of this thread I wanna say:

"....at the club" lol

[Hypestyle]

I think that Static Shock would make a good live action movie for a modest budget.. the cartoon was popular.. (put it out on dvd!)
out of the other Milestone characters, Icon was my favorite series... it was based on a black "superman" figure, an alien who crashlanded on Earth in the slavery-era US south..

[Ronny Shade]

I'd like to see a Static movie, as long as it knows what it is and it doesnt overstep its bounds.

When they started bringing the justice league into the show it was just going too far.

[tamron]

Originally Posted by The Question
Icon
Static
Rocket
Luke Cage
Black Panther
Black Lightning
Falcon
Storm
Brother Vodoo
Black Goliath
Photon
Bishop
The Prowler
Mr. Terrific
Vixen
Cyborg

War Machine
Steel
Night Trasher
Triathalon
Spawn

[dpm07]

From a marketing standpoint, how well financially would a superhero film with colored superheroes be? There are some good heroes out there, but probably not so many actors that could do the roles justice and make them the hits. I'd love to see a Brother Voodoo or Black Panther film. I think Djimon Honshou would rock with either role.

Icon would be good. Will Smith has a superhero film coming out where he plays a hero who's black and has powers similar to Superman. I think it's coming out this year.

They could go the John Stewart route and do Green Lantern with someone of color.

[Nightwing]

War Machine
Steel
Night Trasher
Triathalon
Spawn

Nice, also forgot to mention Onyx and Orpheus.

[deemar325]

They should do a Static Shock movie.

It'll make a cool cgi movie.

[deemar325]

Brother Vodoo
Black Goliath
Photon
Bishop
The Prowler
Mr. Terrific
Vixen
Cyborg

Bumble bee
Joto
Aegis
Rage
J.J. Thunder
Patriot
Battalion
XS
M
Synch
Queen Divine Justice
Vibraxas
Kasper Cole (White Tiger II)
Maggot
BattleStar
Butcher Knight (sorta)

[MJB]

They should do a Static Shock movie.

Actaully wouldn't mind that, but it'll be a cold day in hell before that happens.

[MJB]

You really dont know alot about Luke Cage


I know Cage's history and that he was wrongly accused and convicted and what not, but the negative image was already put forth regardless if he's innocent or not. Not all black people are poor and come from the projects. This is sadly how a lot of mainstream america perceives blacks. Cage was created in the 70's with all the blackploitation films were taken Hollywood by storm. In someone else's hand other then Singleton's i'd be amped for a cage flick, but I know Singleton and the man can not get away from the hood tales and references. I just don't care for Singleton all that much as a director. I liked Boyz in Da Hood, but the rest of his movies were made up of hits and misses, mainly misses, but even the hits were just decent more so because they didn't suck as opposed to being great films.

[MJB]

War Machine
Triathalon


Oh my god, one of the worst heroes ever created what was marvel thinking? Nothing is what I'd say. Not much thought is put into creating black heroes. They are there more so for diversity then actually having something to do. Afew are good, but the rest ughh.

[LetsHangBendis]

As long as Tyler Perry makes bank, there will be no black super hero movies. Do what must be done.

[MJB]

colored superheroes


Colored? D@mn people still refer to blacks with that term. Haven't heard or read that in a long time.

[MJB]

As long as Tyler Perry makes bank, there will be no black super hero movies. Do what must be done.


Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. I feel you. Hollywood will churn out more black casted films in this form. While I respect Tyler Perry the man writting skills is weak in a lot of places. He tries and he can get the comedy aspect down, but for the most part he needs some preofessional script writers to help in tighten up his films. then again is doesn't matter because Hollywood only sees money, but for Tyler Perry to have a long run in the film industry he's going to have to go other routes. It's only so long before madea wears thin.

[The Question]

I know Cage's history and that he was wrongly accused and convicted and what not, but the negative image was already put forth regardless if he's innocent or not. Not all black people are poor and come from the projects. This is sadly how a lot of mainstream america perceives blacks. Cage was created in the 70's with all the blackploitation films were taken Hollywood by storm. In someone else's hand other then Singleton's i'd be amped for a cage flick, but I know Singleton and the man can not get away from the hood tales and references. I just don't care for Singleton all that much as a director. I liked Boyz in Da Hood, but the rest of his movies were made up of hits and misses, mainly misses, but even the hits were just decent more so because they didn't suck as opposed to being great films.


But Cage is from the poorer sections of New York. Always has been. Why should a movie change that?

[MaskedManJRK]

They forgot about Cloak in the upcoming "Cloak and Dagger." :o

[dpm07]

But Cage is from the poorer sections of New York. Always has been. Why should a movie change that?

That's a good point. It's what makes Luke Cage what he is. It would seem rather bizarre if Luke Cage came from a wealthy background. Part of his edge that makes him who he is, is the fact that he grew up poor, and persevered despite his struggles.

[Salemdog]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. I feel you. Hollywood will churn out more black casted films in this form. While I respect Tyler Perry the man writting skills is weak in a lot of places. He tries and he can get the comedy aspect down, but for the most part he needs some preofessional script writers to help in tighten up his films. then again is doesn't matter because Hollywood only sees money, but for Tyler Perry to have a long run in the film industry he's going to have to go other routes. It's only so long before madea wears thin.

Perry's writing skills are fine. It's the Hollywood route that has diluted it. For a real taste of Perry's skills I suggest getting his actual plays and staying away from the movie forms of them. If you haven't seen it then you will be amazed at the difference between the play and movie Diary of a Mad Black Woman. And I refuse to see the Family Reunion one considering they actually put part of that in the first film. Leave it to some Hollywood exec to screw up a good thing. And yes, Tyler had to do it that way or else they wouldn't have been made.

[DarKush]

Icon was one of my favorite comic series. I think Icon would make an awesome movie. Don't know as much about Black Panther, but I think that would be a good movie as well. A Bishop (X-Men) movie might be cool as well. Static would definitely have potential. As would a John Stewart Green Lantern movie. No more Spawn please.

But I think the best idea might be a movie adaptation of John Ridley's "Those Who Walk in Darkness." The main character, Soledad O'Roark is a black female Metahuman hunting cop in a world in which Metahumans have been outlawed and are hunted down. It has a comic book, "Days of Futures Past"/"Kingdom Come" vibe while having strong and diverse characters, and hard hitting action. The sequel "What Fire Cannot Burn" is also good. Put Rosario Dawson in the starring role and it could be a franchise.

[D-day]

Am I the only one who saw the blade trilogy then? I mean, isnt blade a black super hero??

:unishr:

[Wolverine84]

I loved Bishop when i was younger, i'm just getting back into comics so i'll be honest when i say i dont know all of these characters, but Bishop would be great for a movie, from what i remember, or at least should have been put in the new X-Men movie.

Also, with the talk of black panther and luke cage films, arguably the 2 best black superheroes, next to storm of course, what else will make a Good movie.

They tried a lame-ass Steel movie with Shaq. we all know that didnt work.

Also if they were to make a green lantern movie, definetly black, IMO.

that all i have to say, like i said, i've been out of the loop for a good 7yrs and i dont know everything. just my opinions

[The Question]

Icon would make a great flick.

[Nightwing]

Misty Knight.

[WarBlade]

Am I the only one who saw the blade trilogy then? I mean, isnt blade a black super hero??
No, you're the only one who failed to notice that Blade is the most talked about character in this thread. :confused:

[deemar325]

I know Cage's history and that he was wrongly accused and convicted and what not, but the negative image was already put forth regardless if he's innocent or not. Not all black people are poor and come from the projects. This is sadly how a lot of mainstream america perceives blacks. Cage was created in the 70's with all the blackploitation films were taken Hollywood by storm. In someone else's hand other then Singleton's i'd be amped for a cage flick, but I know Singleton and the man can not get away from the hood tales and references. I just don't care for Singleton all that much as a director. I liked Boyz in Da Hood, but the rest of his movies were made up of hits and misses, mainly misses, but even the hits were just decent more so because they didn't suck as opposed to being great films.

People gotta stop raggin on Singleton. Dude put Ice Cube on the mainstream map and made a classic with 'Boyz in the Hood' then he produced and financed 'Hustle & Flow by himself.

Get off John.

[deemar325]

But Cage is from the poorer sections of New York. Always has been. Why should a movie change that?

Preach! Plus we got some clean cut black heroes now GreenLantern, Steel, Goliath (Who's getting alot of play lately.) We got a ways to go, but it's getting better.

[deemar325]

Icon was one of my favorite comic series. I think Icon would make an awesome movie. Don't know as much about Black Panther, but I think that would be a good movie as well. A Bishop (X-Men) movie might be cool as well. Static would definitely have potential. As would a John Stewart Green Lantern movie. No more Spawn please.

But I think the best idea might be a movie adaptation of John Ridley's "Those Who Walk in Darkness." The main character, Soledad O'Roark is a black female Metahuman hunting cop in a world in which Metahumans have been outlawed and are hunted down. It has a comic book, "Days of Futures Past"/"Kingdom Come" vibe while having strong and diverse characters, and hard hitting action. The sequel "What Fire Cannot Burn" is also good. Put Rosario Dawson in the starring role and it could be a franchise.

'Those who walk in Darkness' huh? I might have to look the up. :up:

[Nightwing]

People gotta stop raggin on Singleton. Dude put Ice Cube on the mainstream map and made a classic with 'Boyz in the Hood' then he produced and financed 'Hustle & Flow by himself.

Get off John.

I'm sure he'll do a great job with Cage, he sounds real dedicated to it along with Gibson who's going to work out like a mad man for the role. Also even wanting Diamondback as the possible villain for the film.

I want be losing faith in him just yet.

[D-day]

No, you're the only one who failed to notice that Blade is the most talked about character in this thread. :confused:

Really?! I thought it was luke cage! :o

:unishr:

[MJB]

Perry's writing skills are fine. It's the Hollywood route that has diluted it. For a real taste of Perry's skills I suggest getting his actual plays and staying away from the movie forms of them. If you haven't seen it then you will be amazed at the difference between the play and movie Diary of a Mad Black Woman. And I refuse to see the Family Reunion one considering they actually put part of that in the first film. Leave it to some Hollywood exec to screw up a good thing. And yes, Tyler had to do it that way or else they wouldn't have been made.

You do know that Tyler Perry only has to pay for distribution like Lucas. The man has power over his films. I don't know how much say and power the studio would have when Perry pays for the budget of the film itself. I forgot how much the last one was but this current one was budgeted at 6 million.

[MJB]

People gotta stop raggin on Singleton. Dude put Ice Cube on the mainstream map and made a classic with 'Boyz in the Hood' then he produced and financed 'Hustle & Flow by himself.

Get off John.


Oh please spare me the goodness of Singleton. As a black man I'm surprised he gets behind a lot of the stuff he does. Yeah Boyz in Da Hood was great. but Husstle and Flow? That movie was terriable. Singleton doesn't know what he wants to be. At first he did his hood films, then tried to do films along the lines of Spike Lee with movies that send a message about race. He sucked at that. Then he wants to venture into action or mainstream films and has done nothing to impress me. Look Singleton has had more misses then hits in my boof. Fast and Furious 2 was mediocre, and his latest 4 brothers was decent with crappy action. Shaft was a let down despite Jackson's best attempt to save. I just don't really care for the man as a director. I read his plan how he wants to do Luke Cage and I just cringed. Casting Tyrese as Cage is already showing that he's getting off to a bad start.

[Masut]

Anyone remember Steel?

[The Question]

Oh please spare me the goodness of Singleton. As a black man I'm surprised he gets behind a lot of the stuff he does. Yeah Boyz in Da Hood was great. but Husstle and Flow? That movie was terriable. Singleton doesn't know what he wants to be. At first he did his hood films, then tried to do films along the lines of Spike Lee with movies that send a message about race. He sucked at that. Then he wants to venture into action or mainstream films and has done nothing to impress me. Look Singleton has had more misses then hits in my boof. Fast and Furious 2 was mediocre, and his latest 4 brothers was decent with crappy action. Shaft was a let down despite Jackson's best attempt to save. I just don't really care for the man as a director. I read his plan how he wants to do Luke Cage and I just cringed. Casting Tyrese as Cage is already showing that he's getting off to a bad start.


Well, what direction would you like Luke Cage to be taken in?

[D-day]

Anyone remember Steel?

I think we're all trying to forget!

:unishr:

[KenK]

I'm just tickled that more and more, the press actually acknowledges Blade's impact on comic book movies, especially for Marvel, when a lot of fans used to argue with me saying more credit was due to X-Men.

But yeah, I'd think someone like Will Smith, or even Vin Diesel (being the comic/gaming geek that he admittedly is) would see about getting some of these movies made. Black Panther's been in development hell for too long, and I know a lot of filmmakers and actors I'd love to see involved. Actors like Eamon Walker, Djimon Hounsu, Idris Elba, Chiwetel Ejiofor, guys who are popping up more and more in mainstream films and television (Ejiofor was The Operative in Serenity). And while it wasn't very well-received, I think King Arthur was a good example of Antione Fuqua's ability to handle a large scale production (I think Eamon Walker was even in Fuqua's Tears of the Sun). And I'm sure enough guys who could finance the movie and just go to a major studio for distribution.

And I agree with whoever said a Static movie would be great. Unless they cast Bow Wow, or something!

[tamron]

Vin Diesel is very interested in playing Silver Surfer, he's said in the past that that was his favorite comic character growing up.

[KenK]

Will that covers comic book characters for the "silver" community! But what 'bout da brothers!! To say nothing of the black filmmakers and novelists now writing comics!! (of some of them weren't doing it already)

[Ronny Shade]

its certainly possible that Green Lantern will be a "black superhero" I don't know who owns th GL movie rights, but Its possible they may want John to be the film Lantern

[3dman27]

Oh my god, one of the worst heroes ever created what was marvel thinking? Nothing is what I'd say. Not much thought is put into creating black heroes. They are there more so for diversity then actually having something to do. Afew are good, but the rest ughh.
you refer to trathalon and not war machine i take it

[MangleBoP]

1. Bishop is Aborigine, not African-American
2. I always said Martian Manhunter should be black when pretending to be human.(John Jones just sounds like a black name to me)
3. As much as I like the charecter, I really don't think "The Prowler" is the kind of name we want for a black superhero!

[tzarinna]

I'm kind of running out women to be for Halloween,it was fun being Storm, with the wig and the lenses.

I guess Niobe and Lt.Uhura will be next.

I love Halle,but come on. Folks look at me like I'm crazy when I try to debate the issue.

[GoldGoblin]

Am I the only one who saw the blade trilogy then? I mean, isnt blade a black super hero??

:unishr:

^:)

[Advanced Dark]

I think the author of that article needs to do some research himself. Writers and artists have drawn hundreds if not thousands of characters and the ones that become popular are the ones that the publishers will focus on. Too bad if it's not a black person, white person, etc...There should not be an affirmative action in comic books. If someone wants a superhero of a specific race then make one yourself, create the character, and see if it's popular. If not then maybe try the character out overseas. There's plenty of characters out there that would be supportive of the population ratio but "most" of these characters aren't going to be accepted by the majority or the mass markets because by definition they're a Superhero represented by a minority and a character that is looked up to by minorities. However there will be a certain % that bust through all racial barriers and are accepted by all. Blade for instance as a kick ass vampire slayer was pretty much accepted by all action/comic/horror fans of all races. It's a smaller pool of fans in that genre to begin with and the R rating even makes it smaller. Back to my point. You can't force a particular race onto a superhero. The character needs to be developed and it needs to not only be a viable source of revenue for the studio or publisher but also the best use and investment of their funds at that particular time. If you look at Marvel's 10 pic Paramount distributed slate it includes only one prominent Black hero...Black Panther. That's 10% of the slate. That's about right dont' you think? Also these 10 films are not going to be small productions. They're going to be all PG-13 or softer with emphasis on toy line, merchandise, and video game support. They're not going to have these films financed and not take advantage of that so Marvel had to choose 10 characters that not only would work on film but would also have potential to sell high volume in the other arenas. The characters don't have to have a huge fan base to have "hit" potential on film either. So there's surely loads of characters of other races that could be retooled for the mainstream audiences. If you're a stickler about that and want these characters to remain 100% true to form then they'll likely never see the light of day on film. They're two different mediums.

[MJB]

you refer to trathalon and not war machine i take it
Yes. triathalon.

[MJB]

And I agree with whoever said a Static movie would be great. Unless they cast Bow Wow, or something!

Bow Wow? Please don't give Hollywood anyideas. I don't want to see anybody from the music industry take on the Static role. Thankfully we will never see a Static on the big screen.

[Kmack]

I think Black Panther could really be a good quality film, with the right actor and creative team. I've always thought BP had a lot of potential:up:

[Advanced Dark]

Black Panther could be real cool though there's not many actors that could do it justice. Snipes and Foxx are the only two that jump out at you. Whoever it is has to have the right personality and can't be just some stand in with muscles, or some TV actor looking to jump up to the big screen. I prefer Snipes because when he's in the right role he becomes that character. The funny thing is he's usually not in the right role. Major League, Blade, and WMCJ were showcases of what he can do with his personality.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Blade unlocked th' door.

X-Men blew it off th' hinges.

They're both responsible, it was a team effort.

[deemar325]

Will that covers comic book characters for the "silver" community! But what 'bout da brothers!! To say nothing of the black filmmakers and novelists now writing comics!! (of some of them weren't doing it already)

Well Vin is half black.:O so I guess he'd be the Silver Blinger!

[Super Flight]

They really should make that Static Shock into a Movie that has been on kid WB, i always liked it,might be cool

http://www.toonzone.net/shows/images/kidswb/staticshock1.jpg
!!STATIC SHOCK!!

[deemar325]

^ heh. cool just no Bow wow.

[Super Flight]

^ yea, then he'll write and sing the songs for it, which will make it horrible

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Didn't Bow Wow guest star on it? Or was that another li'l generic rapper kid? I dunno, I ain't down with th' hippity hop.

[Cosmic]

It's a nice article, but I've grown tired of hearing people ask this question. We don't have to sit around waiting and hoping for things to change. We can make our own movies, tv shows, and comics. We can support the stuff we like with our cash, and help promote it through word-of-mouth. We can pass on our love of comics (or donate comics we no longer want) to kids who might never have otherwise picked them up. And we can make the extra effort to show up at cons and book signings, to let the creators and retailers know just how diverse their audience really is. There are all sorts of things we can do ourselves, instead of whining and waiting around for someone else to do it for us.

[Lightning Strykez!]

From a marketing standpoint, how well financially would a superhero film with colored superheroes be?

Did you say...colored? Is it 2006 or 1956? :o

[3dman27]

Didn't Bow Wow guest star on it? Or was that another li'l generic rapper kid? I dunno, I ain't down with th' hippity hop.
i think lil romeo was the guest rapper on static shock

[Super_Ludacris]

Tracy McGrady was in an episode to and voiced himself I believe as well

[The Question]

They really should make that Static Shock into a Movie that has been on kid WB, i always liked it,might be cool

http://www.toonzone.net/shows/images/kidswb/staticshock1.jpg
!!STATIC SHOCK!!


No KidsWB. The cartoon was incredibly dumbed down. Make it more like the actual comics.

[Red Mask]

That cartoon wasn't dumb. And if Static should start teaming up with his old Milestone buddies I'd just laugh at him.

[November Rain]

personally if they are going to make a film around a character just because of their colour rather than what they have to offer, i'd rather not have one.

don't want superhero movies that just fill a void....

:o

[The Question]

That cartoon wasn't dumb. And if Static should start teaming up with his old Milestone buddies I'd just laugh at him.


It was dumbed down compared to the comics. And what's wrong with the other Milestone characters?

[terry78]

I think a Static live action film could work, if they make it a little more mature as the original comics are. And on the subject of black heroes, I notice that more often than not the black superheroes are made out to always be these bad ass mutha****as, as opposed to some of the other heroes who are bad ass in their own right, but they don't go spouting it off like some of "our" heroes do. I would like to see a black hero that has massive powers, but is a reluctant hero as well. I sense that writers tend to put all black male characters into this John Shaft mold for some reason.

And I also don't care for the remarks that black heroes are there just to be black. While that does happen, why can I not see a hero that looks like me on occasion? People gripe about it being politically correct, but if most superheroes are already your race, what the **** do you have to complain about?

[Super Flight]

No KidsWB. The cartoon was incredibly dumbed down. Make it more like the actual comics.

It was a comic book???? i thought it was just a cartoon.

[deemar325]

^ Preach! I agree.

Terry78

[The Question]

I think a Static live action film could work, if they make it a little more mature as the original comics are. And on the subject of black heroes, I notice that more often than not the black superheroes are made out to always be these bad ass mutha****as, as opposed to some of the other heroes who are bad ass in their own right, but they don't go spouting it off like some of "our" heroes do. I would like to see a black hero that has massive powers, but is a reluctant hero as well. I sense that writers tend to put all black male characters into this John Shaft mold for some reason.


You know what the answer to your prayers is? Icon. He fits what you want perfectly.

[deemar325]

^ Maybe Dwayne McDuffie who is a producer/writer of JLU and Static will use Icon oneday.

[Batman1939]

At least Marvel has some black superheroes. Don't expect any from DC.
Green Lantern, cyborg, Captain Marvel 2, Steel just look here http://www.blacksuperhero.com/exhibits2.cfm

[Wolverine84]

i still think bishop is awesome, and should have a movie

[Red Mask]

Green Lantern, cyborg, Captain Marvel 2, Steel just look here http://www.blacksuperhero.com/exhibits2.cfm

Aside from Steel, how many of those guys are in a film? I don't see Jon Stewart in any movie projects. I did see somebody play Guy Gardner as the Green Lantern.:down

Marvel has Storm out there. Now they've named Deathlok, the Black Panther, Luke Cage, and Cloak - from Cloak and Dagger - in development. What does DC have going besides that piece of trash, Steel? I don't hear anybody naming Vixen and whatnot. Don't expect DC to put anyone out there.

[terry78]

If that Aquaman movie ever gets made, I'm sure we'll see all kinds of Black Manta running around.

[Red Mask]

Black Manta isn't a superhero.

[DeGenerate10]

There are few mainstream black super heroes. Falcon was once a big name but I think everyone's forgotten about him. Black Panther is still pretty big.I don't think that's a name everyone can associate with like Batman, Superman, Spider-man. I don't know if Cage could pull off a movie.

So there are no black superhero movies just because a lack of black super heroes.

[terry78]

Black Manta isn't a superhero.
I know. I was being facetious. I think.

[Red Mask]

There are few mainstream black super heroes. Falcon was once a big name but I think everyone's forgotten about him. Black Panther is still pretty big.I don't think that's a name everyone can associate with like Batman, Superman, Spider-man. I don't know if Cage could pull off a movie.

So there are no black superhero movies just because a lack of black super heroes.

Hopefully John Singleton can make more progress with his Cage film.

[Batman1939]

Aside from Steel, how many of those guys are in a film? I don't see Jon Stewart in any movie projects. I did see somebody play Guy Gardner as the Green Lantern.:down

Marvel has Storm out there. Now they've named Deathlok, the Black Panther, Luke Cage, and Cloak - from Cloak and Dagger - in development. What does DC have going besides that piece of trash, Steel? I don't hear anybody naming Vixen and whatnot. Don't expect DC to put anyone out there.
i was just naming dc characters which are black.

[deemar325]

I'd like to see Black Manta in a Aquaman movie!

[terry78]

^If they ever get around to making it, they have to. He's one of his main villains.

[deemar325]

^ I just don't want to see a campy take on the character.

[Wolverine84]

I'm still stuck on Bishop in a movie, i think it'd be a great flick. I havent put much thought into who should play him, but The Rock could be a good candidate, thats just off the top of my head.

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/b/bishop.htm

[deemar325]

^ Bishop is not a leading hero type, I'd rather he be a cameo.

[Lightning Strykez!]

^ Bishop is not a leading hero type, I'd rather he be a cameo.


Agreed.

And technically speaking, Luke Cage has the appeal for the mainstream so I don't see why a silver screen adaptation wouldn't work--with the proper script, direction and actor of course.

But I'm still banking on T'Challa--I think if done right a Black Panther film set in the heart of Africa would be extremely successful. I envision a Troy or Alexander-type treatment...something epic and huge. With Djimon Hounsou of course playing the title character.

[deemar325]

God no! not Alexander! other than that I agree.

[ookami]

Only inbred hicks below the Mason Dixon.:mad:

[deemar325]

^ ???

[ookami]

^ ???

Sorry referring to the 'colored' term describing Black people. Just got very annoyed by that.

[deemar325]

Ah..cool, It doesn't bother me to much. I can sense when someone is trying to take jabs at my background. So I'm not as annoyed when someone uses that term.

[ookami]

Ah..cool, It doesn't bother me to much. I can sense when someone is trying to take jabs at my background. So I'm not as annoyed when someone uses that term.

Eh, I'm fine now, appetite got the best of me, but let's update the talk shall we...hmmmm. I know he wasn't being demeaning just caught me the hell off guard that's all, although I wasn't calling him a hick though.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Eh, I'm fine now, appetite got the best of me, but let's update the talk shall we...hmmmm. I know he wasn't being demeaning just caught me the hell off guard that's all, although I wasn't calling him a hick though.


Well, is it really much different than folks referring to black men as "men of color"? When you think about it *Color* is the common denominator.

Personally I wasn't offended by it; but I do believe some need to be updated to the here and now.

We'z free nah. :cool:

[deemar325]

^ Heh...


FreeDom!!

[Red Mask]

I just bought Blade 1 to complete my DVD collection. It would be shame if the next black superhero couldn't match that release.

[Hypestyle]

5 pages already.. hmm..

[deemar325]

^ Five and still chuggin along.

[CHEZ]

Check this out, sounds freakin' awesome:

http://www.the-sons-of-liberty.com


It is so cool, I can't even believe it!

[MangleBoP]

Only inbred hicks below the Mason Dixon.:mad:
Florida native, thank you.
Geographically we may be part of the "South", but most Floridians are relativly open-minded, well educated indivduals, branded with an unfortunate stigma thanks to a small minority of rednecks, mostly in the areas bordering Alabama and Georgia.

[DarKush]

Check this out, sounds freakin' awesome:

http://www.the-sons-of-liberty.com


It is so cool, I can't even believe it!

What does this website have to do with the discussion about Black Superhero Movies?

Perhaps some Black superheroes can be invented, a la Meteor Man, for the silver screen instead of solely using preestablished characters for inspiration?

Of course, if that route is pursued, I would want a more serious treatment than Meteor Man. The movie had a nice theme about values and community, and an anti-drug/gang message but it was way too campy.

[Super_Ludacris]

lol@ Meteor Man being a choice. Funny movie when I was 12 but lets keep it real. Nah, look Black Panther can work or alternativley make a Green Latern movie using John Stewart.

[terry78]

lol@ Meteor Man being a choice. Funny movie when I was 12 but lets keep it real. Nah, look Black Panther can work or alternativley make a Green Latern movie using John Stewart.
A GL movie with Stewart would have fanboys ranting about how they're just using him to appeal to the "urban" market and being politically correct and hip. Even though he's had some of the best stories in the books. :o

[Super_Ludacris]

Then those idiots should dig in there collection, look at those stories that John was in and have a coke and a smile and shut the **** up

[deemar325]

^ Preach.

[deemar325]

A GL movie with Stewart would have fanboys ranting about how they're just using him to appeal to the "urban" market and being politically correct and hip. Even though he's had some of the best stories in the books. :o

Straight truth. :up:

[deemar325]

I'd like to see what could be done with Night Thrasher and Brother VooDoo.

[Nightwing]

I'd like to see what could be done with Night Thrasher and Brother VooDoo.

Brother Vodoo was supposed to have his own show on the UPN network, which was in development according to Wizard magazine. Ever since then, nothing has been heard of the project, I'm curious as to what might've happend it and what it would mainly focus on. As for a film, I'd like to see one after a Black Panther film is made. Or, possibly before.

[hippie_hunter]

At least Marvel has some black superheroes. Don't expect any from DC.

Cyborg
the Herald
Bumblebee
Green Lantern (John Stewart)
Steel (John Henry Irons)
Steel (Natasha Irons)
Mr. Terrific (Michael Holt)
Jakeem Thunder
Onyx
Orpheus
Bloodwynd
Vixen
Black Lightning
Thunder
the Spectre (Crispus Allen)
Firestorm (Jason Rusch)
Dr. Midnight
the Crimson Avenger (???)
Amazing Man (Will Everet)
Amazing Man (Will Everet Jr.)

DC does have African-American superheroes, just none of them deserve a movie.

[deemar325]

Cyborg
the Herald
Bumblebee
Green Lantern (John Stewart)
Steel (John Henry Irons)
Steel (Natasha Irons)
Mr. Terrific (Michael Holt)
Jakeem Thunder
Onyx
Orpheus
Bloodwynd (Was actually Martian Manhunter.)
Vixen
Black Lightning
Thunder
the Spectre (Crispus Allen)
Firestorm (Jason Rusch)
Dr. Midnight
the Crimson Avenger (???)
Amazing Man (Will Everet)
Amazing Man (Will Everet Jr.)

Joto (Former Teen Titan.)


DC does have African-American superheroes, just none of them deserve a movie.

Mr.Terrific could make a good movie.

[dpm07]

Agreed.

And technically speaking, Luke Cage has the appeal for the mainstream so I don't see why a silver screen adaptation wouldn't work--with the proper script, direction and actor of course.

But I'm still banking on T'Challa--I think if done right a Black Panther film set in the heart of Africa would be extremely successful. I envision a Troy or Alexander-type treatment...something epic and huge. With Djimon Hounsou of course playing the title character.

I agree. I'd like to see Djimon Honshou in the role of the Black Panther. He's got the build, the look, and definitely carries himself with an air of regality that would be great for the character. Whenever I see him, it's like he's channeling T'Challa in his movies. He was born for that role, IMO.

I'm interested in seeing John Singleton's take on Luke Cage as well. Tyrese should be good in the role. Is he still the official candidate for that film?

[deemar325]

^ Agree.

[tamron]

I'm interested in seeing John Singleton's take on Luke Cage as well. Tyrese should be good in the role. Is he still the official candidate for that film?

Tyrese is the biggest reason why I dread the Luke Cage film. :down

[Red Mask]

Cyborg
the Herald
Bumblebee
Green Lantern (John Stewart)
Steel (John Henry Irons)
Steel (Natasha Irons)
Mr. Terrific (Michael Holt)
Jakeem Thunder
Onyx
Orpheus
Bloodwynd
Vixen
Black Lightning
Thunder
the Spectre (Crispus Allen)
Firestorm (Jason Rusch)
Dr. Midnight
the Crimson Avenger (???)
Amazing Man (Will Everet)
Amazing Man (Will Everet Jr.)

DC does have African-American superheroes, just none of them deserve a movie.

What am I - a friggin' record player? I meant DC's black superheroes would not make it to the silver screen! That's similar to what you said! I know DC's has black superheroes!

[CHEZ]

What does this website have to do with the discussion about Black Superhero Movies?


Sorry, I just thought people might be interested to know about these black superheroes. To me, that would be one of the coolest superhero movies ever.
It looks awesome. I'm going to email them to find out if they are going to make a movie or animated film.

[Nightwing]

Mr.Terrific could make a good movie.

If done properly, I believe so too...

[CConn]

What am I - a friggin' record player? I meant DC's black superheroes would not make it to the silver screen! That's similar to what you said! I know DC's has black superheroes!Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

[MJB]

Tyrese is the biggest reason why I dread the Luke Cage film. :down


Amen!!! Why didn't the studio just go with the Rock or LL?? Luke Cage is going to make about 20 million domestically, I'd be surprised if it passes 30 million at the box office.

[Red Mask]

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

That was hardly a crime.

[CConn]

That was hardly a crime.I said the same thing about beastiality.

[Red Mask]

What? So saying DC's black heroes won't get their own title movies is the same as committing bestiality?

[CConn]

And that Bob Dole should've been president.

[tamron]

Amen!!! Why didn't the studio just go with the Rock or LL?? Luke Cage is going to make about 20 million domestically, I'd be surprised if it passes 30 million at the box office.

Truth be told, I don't really want them for Cage either, even though I really like the Rock. I could live with either of them more than Tyrese, though. I really think Henry Simmons (NYPD Blue) is the best choice for Cage.


http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7289/henrysimmons9sq.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3711/henrysimmons1ag.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2985/henrysimmons996pi.jpg

[DirtyHARRY]

I just pray that IF Singleton does make Luke Cage that he doesn't screw it up like he did "Shaft." I just don't think the guy is much of a talent. I predict sub-Daredevil boxoffice and a quick fade to DVD. I hope not, but what I've seen of this dude's work does not inspire confidence.

-DH

[Red Mask]

And that Bob Dole should've been president.

You're not making any sense.

[Blade X]

Bumble bee
Joto
Aegis
Rage
J.J. Thunder
Patriot
Battalion
XS
M
Synch
Queen Divine Justice
Vibraxas
Kasper Cole (White Tiger II)
Maggot
BattleStar
Butcher Knight (sorta)

DC
Skyrocket
Joshua Power
Vixen
Tyros
Invisible Kid 2
Computo 2
Kid Quantum 1 and 2
the curent version of Star Boy
Thunder

MARVEL
Pathway
Goblyn
Hub
Shola
Jessie Bedlam
Charcoal
Meteorite 2
Siloette
John Wraith
Daryl Smith
Gabriel Jones
Blur (Supreme Power/Suadron Supreme)
Blur (DP7)
Friction
Windshear
Midnight Son (reformed villain)
Cecillia Reyes
Sunspot
Poet
Xander
Krystala (sp)
Spyke (X-Men Evolution)
Spike (X-Statix)
Anarchist
Rocket Racer
Cardiac
Doorman
Shard
Cloak
The brother who has his own symbiote, who's name I can't recall at the moment.
Nightwatch
Deathlok 2
AX
Longbow
Earth Sentry
Blacklight
The Ladyhawks
Coal Tiger

[CConn]

You're not making any sense.I have low blood sugar.

[Red Mask]

I have low blood sugar.

Looks like somebody zapped you into a rugrat.

[deemar325]

If done properly, I believe so too...

Out of all of DC's Black heroes his is the most relateably tragic and inspiring. He's unique in that he's not some thug/rapper type who would be played by Ludachris or DMX, it'll take a really good actor maybe Blair Underwood to pull it off. And most of all although he's technically a legacy hero, he's not some 'Johnny come lately, taken under the wing of some awe inspiring white hero' like so many other black heroes. He's his own man and who just related to the history the original Mr.Terrific.

[Nightwing]

Out of all of DC's Black heroes his is the most relateably tragic and inspiring. He's unique in that he's not some thug/rapper type who would be played by Ludachris or DMX, it'll take a really good actor maybe Blair Underwood to pull it off. And most of all although he's technically a legacy hero, he's not some 'Johnny come lately, taken under the wing of some awe inspiring white hero' like so many other black heroes. He's his own man and who just related to the history the original Mr.Terrific.

I agree, very well said. I think he has alot of potential for his own film, even though he doesn't have his own comic series, but he's part of a well known super team aka the Justice Society of America. Blair Underwood IMO would also play Terrific very well, but if I were to go for someone a bit younger, I'd go with Michael Jai White. Even though he played Spawn in Spawn, I honestly think he'd be great. Some might disagree on that though.

[Sentinel X]

Its not only blacks, its non-whites in general.Look in a comic book, its rare to find an Asian hero,Indian hero,Hispanic heros, or Bi-racial heroes...Its the
21st century...youd think by now major comic book companies would show that heroes come in all colors..wrong.

[phoenixstorm]

Has anyone checked this out?

http://www.gettosake.com/

[deemar325]

I agree, very well said. I think he has alot of potential for his own film, even though he doesn't have his own comic series, but he's part of a well known super team aka the Justice Society of America. Blair Underwood IMO would also play Terrific very well, but if I were to go for someone a bit younger, I'd go with Michael Jai White. Even though he played Spawn in Spawn, I honestly think he'd be great. Some might disagree on that though.

Thank you, I really don't want to see 50-cent in that movie.

I'm so tired of rappers in movies (exceptions being Ice Cube and Ludacris.)

[deemar325]

Has anyone checked this out?

http://www.gettosake.com/

That's pretty cool.

[Nightwing]

Thank you, I really don't want to see 50-cent in that movie.

I'm so tired of rappers in movies (exceptions being Ice Cube and Ludacris.)

Tyrese is a rapper I believe, would you except him if he got the role of Luke Cage?

[deemar325]

^ Tyrese is a R&B singer (really talented one at that.)

[WATCHMAN86]

im black and one day i'll write a character that isn't just a tolken minority hero but one that actually would be one you want read. i think that writers just don't take the task of writng for ethnic characters as seriously as they would a white hero like bats supes etc.. not to complain but thats just the way things are i guess

[tamron]

I can't totally rail on the writers. It's easy to write from your perspective. But once you step outside it, its a crapshoot. There are very few minority writers in comics, and the majority population don't know what it's like to be a minority, so they, consciously or subconsciously lean on stereotypes when writing a minority character, if for no other reason, to give the character a sense of credibility as a minority. And writing a minority character as though he's a white one raises whole new issues. It's a tricky thing to navigate.

[deemar325]

^ I don't see how you can't just write a character period regardless of the race. I think if you just hang around and have friends of another race use your experience and or call your black/latino whatever friend up and use them as a sounding board.

If I'm gonna write about a Mexican character, I'm gonna go over it with my girlfriend or her brother because it's right there. My subject or person who can relate that experience of being latino is a phone call away so writers shouldn't be afraid to ask there black buddy or chinese pal what's the deal.

[Puñietas]

I just pray that IF Singleton does make Luke Cage that he doesn't screw it up like he did "Shaft." I just don't think the guy is much of a talent. I predict sub-Daredevil boxoffice and a quick fade to DVD. I hope not, but what I've seen of this dude's work does not inspire confidence.

-DH

Ummm, DD did pretty well at the box office. Considering a B grade hero not many know who he is

Domestic: $102,543,518 57.2%+ Foreign: $76,636,200 42.8%= Worldwide: $179,179,718

[tamron]

^ I don't see how you can't just write a character period regardless of the race. I think if you just hang around and have friends of another race use your experience and or call your black/latino whatever friend up and use them as a sounding board.

If I'm gonna write about a Mexican character, I'm gonna go over it with my girlfriend or her brother because it's right there. My subject or person who can relate that experience of being latino is a phone call away so writers shouldn't be afraid to ask there black buddy or chinese pal what's the deal.

See you're thinking about in your perspective. Say you're not a minnority. Say you don't have those minority friends. Say you've never really interacted with minorities. Believe iit or not, people live their lives that way, with the only window into that world being what they see and hear in popular media. And even great writers have trouble writing characters not like themselves. For example, David Mamet is notorious for his sometimes demeaning portrayal of females. I'm not exonerating the lack of minority presence and subpar writing of minorities in comics, but I see why that problem exists.

You also get into the question of what is an 'authentic' minority portrayal. I've seen people rag on Luke Cage for being a stereotypical thug, but when John Henry irons was Steel, some said he acted stiff, educated, too 'white'. I know black people who've been on the streets, and black people with medical degrees, what makes one character more "authentic" than the other? How it's interpreted is all based on perspective, and you simply cannot please everyone, b/c your experiences don't match everyone elses. Even if you call that friend, what make his experience more "authentic" then the one you would create? Somewhere out there, there is someone who can relate to what they've written, but it may not jibe with you.

Too top it off, comics are sales driven. How do books with minority leads fare? As well regarded as Priest's Black Panther run was by critics and fans, it struggled with sales. The Crew didn't get off the ground. Ditto for Captain America and Falcon. And War Machine. Good writing or not, if the characters don't sell, what incentive is there to create or develop minority heroes?

[deemar325]

^ I hear ya man, I'm saying at least interacting with other people and having some sort of relationship with those not of your own background is a start.

I'm not Mexican, but I got a pretty good insight into what it's like being Mexican and I got 18yrs to raise my son who's mixed and he's gonna have to sides to deal with his black and latino side.

[tzarinna]

Truth be told, I don't really want them for Cage either, even though I really like the Rock. I could live with either of them more than Tyrese, though. I really think Henry Simmons (NYPD Blue) is the best choice for Cage.


http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7289/henrysimmons9sq.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3711/henrysimmons1ag.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2985/henrysimmons996pi.jpg

That's hot,more please.

[deemar325]

^ It's like looking in a mirror!

[MJB]

Tyrese is a rapper I believe, would you except him if he got the role of Luke Cage?


Tyrese is not a rapper. He's a R&B singer and a damn good one. Don't know if any one remember the coke commercial in the late 90's where the black bald kid gets on the bus singing. Well that was him.

[tzarinna]

^ It's like looking in a mirror!

LMAO......:)

[MJB]

I can't totally rail on the writers. It's easy to write from your perspective. But once you step outside it, its a crapshoot. There are very few minority writers in comics, and the majority population don't know what it's like to be a minority, so they, consciously or subconsciously lean on stereotypes when writing a minority character, if for no other reason, to give the character a sense of credibility as a minority. And writing a minority character as though he's a white one raises whole new issues. It's a tricky thing to navigate.


That's the whole problem. Why do white writers feel that have to make the character be known to be black by having them act out black sterotypes? We can all look at the character and know he or she is black. All they have to do is write a character from a human standpoint. You don't need to put in racial overtones. Characters like Spawn or Storm arw wriiten as superheros first and isn't bogged down by racial sterotypes.

[deemar325]

LMAO......:)

seriously lol!

[deemar325]

That's the whole problem. Why do white writers feel that have to make the character be known to be black by having them act out black sterotypes? We can all look at the character and know he or she is black. All they have to do is write a character from a human standpoint. You don't need to put in racial overtones. Characters like Spawn or Storm arw wriiten as superheros first and isn't bogged down by racial sterotypes.

Ditto:up:

[32CAGE]

That's a good point. It's what makes Luke Cage what he is. It would seem rather bizarre if Luke Cage came from a wealthy background. Part of his edge that makes him who he is, is the fact that he grew up poor, and persevered despite his struggles.

There is a misconception that Cage came from a poor background. Cage's father was a police officer. Cage was the rebellious youngest son of James Lucas, Sr. Luke was involved in gang activity and left it before being framed by a former friend over a girl. Luke's mother also an accidental victim of gang violence. Luke was not poor but came from a middle class family. Nevertheless, because of his gang experience he was familiar with the streets.

[32CAGE]

At least Marvel has some black superheroes. Don't expect any from DC.


Good point. But we should never compromise where quality is concerned. I am thankful that Marvel has black characters but i will not remain quite if i believe they are presenting characters in demeaning or sterotypical ways. We have to hold them accountable for the quality of product they give us.

[TheGrayGhost]

Their isn't a lot of quality black superheros. I really don't care to see Luke Cage. A criminal and thug for hire. Or at least it will be with Singleton at the helm. He is going to ghettoize this movie. Black Panther good be good but he has no real powers for us to be like wow. Probably storm and Spawn are the only quality Black heroes. Neither was done justice on the bigscreen. Spawn coul have been sweet but it didn't have a decent budget. Oh well.

Come on.


Green Lantern (Jon Stewart)
Steel
Mr. Terrific
VixenJust to name a few. But, yeah, there hasn't been many black superheroes on the silver screen.

[TheGrayGhost]

At least Marvel has some black superheroes. Don't expect any from DC.

Why not?

[Red Mask]

Why not?

Because Warner Bros. hasn't demonstrated any intention of doing so. They're working on Batman, Superman, etc. There's been no mention of bringing their black superheroes to live action. So until they say it's happening, don't expect it to happen.

Marvel, on the other hand, has announced a line-up they wish to develop. Luke Cage, Black Panther, Deathlok, and Cloak from "Cloak and Dagger". They want to put these heroes on the screen. And now they're seeking the talent to accomplish that. Maybe it will happen or not, but I can expect more from them now.

[terry78]

And any oppurtunity to make Green Lantern a John Stewart tale will get lambasted by fanboys that want Rayner or Jordan.

[Sentinel X]

His name's Static, not Static Shock. ANyway, that might be cool. But Icon would be better.Actually its Static Shock,hes talking about the teenage static...who is Static Shock.And I agree,Static Shock could be like Fantastic Four or Spider-man in terms of looks, but theyre going to have to make A LOT of adjustments

[MangleBoP]

Its not only blacks, its non-whites in general.Look in a comic book, its rare to find an Asian hero,Indian hero,Hispanic heros, or Bi-racial heroes...Its the
21st century...youd think by now major comic book companies would show that heroes come in all colors..wrong.
Here's the big problem: All the good powers, names, origens, and costumes are taken! It's next to impossible to make a strong, original charecter, independant of ethnicity. Add to that the fact that, well... there's only so much room at the top... and it's always hard for the new guy... plus a hero is only as cool as his villians...all these factors make it extremely difficult for a minority hero to become popular in the mainstream.

[blksuperman2]

Actually its Static Shock,hes talking about the teenage static...who is Static Shock.And I agree,Static Shock could be like Fantastic Four or Spider-man in terms of looks, but theyre going to have to make A LOT of adjustments

No, Question is right his name is Static. The SHOW was called Static Shock. Noone ever referred to him as Static Shock, just Static.

I want to see the Last X-men movie starring BISHOP

[ghost113]

yes this is right his name is static, and i would totally go see that movie.

[32CAGE]

That's the whole problem. Why do white writers feel that have to make the character be known to be black by having them act out black sterotypes? We can all look at the character and know he or she is black. All they have to do is write a character from a human standpoint. You don't need to put in racial overtones. Characters like Spawn or Storm arw wriiten as superheros first and isn't bogged down by racial sterotypes.

I think your observations are what has made Brian Michael Bendis successful in his development of Luke Cage.

[Philly Phanboy]

And any oppurtunity to make Green Lantern a John Stewart tale will get lambasted by fanboys that want Rayner or Jordan.

How true.

[w@llcrawler]

And any oppurtunity to make Green Lantern a John Stewart tale will get lambasted by fanboys that want Rayner or Jordan.


Ideally, they should do a trilogy - think I heard that was the plan somewhere - on the Lantern Corps and have Jordan, Stewart, and Raynor. I'm not a big GL fan so I don't know if that's possible within the context of the GL history but at least that way it would satisfy fans of each of the Lantern characters.

I assume that the reason that there aren't as many black charaters in comics is because there aren't as many black creaters in comics. I don't think its fair to blame white writers for not creating more black characters. I am white and the closest thing I can relate this issue to is rap music (don't recall if someone else said this before). As a comic fan, I understand that if you're black you want to read comics that you can identify with (i.e.:black characters). As a white rap music fan, I'd want to hear more music by white rappers that I could relate to but there just aren't that many out there!

Come to think of it, a lot of white people like rap music because they can relate to the message. And i read where someone on here said "why can't they just write a superhero that who and what he is isn't affected by what color he is? In other words don't stereotype him. Well, if that's the issue, are there no characters in comics that black people can relate to despite the color of their skin? I'm not being funny, but asking a question to which I honestly don't know the answer.

Feedback...

[terry78]

^True enough, but when we as black people complain about this, the response we get is to quit whining and being so P.C.

[w@llcrawler]

^True enough, but when we as black people complain about this, the response we get is to quit whining and being so P.C.

Not me. I would love to see more Superheroes from different races and nationalities. I just wonder are there not as many black comic book fans as there are white ones? Or as many Japanese ones? I know I've heard how much the Japanese love American pop culture. I wonder why there aren't more Japanese oriented superheroes.

To address something said earlier, I think (not positive) that Luke Cage seems "stereotyped" when you look at his early issues but remember, when they came out, he was kinda based on the "blacksploitation" explosion that was taking place with movies like Shaft and Superfly. Looking back, do those seem like stereotypes now?

I'd love to see a Cage movie done right. And I think Henry Simmons would be perfect for Cage by the way after seeing those pics! And you know you can't have him dressed EXACTLY like he was from the old days but I wish there was some way to present him that as soon as you saw him you'd KNOW it was the Cage from the old days without him looking rediculous. I mean, I want that color scheme! And I've said it before and will say it again, the way to REALLY do a cool Cage movie would be to do HEROES FOR HIRE with Iron Fist. Or maybe a solo movie each and then the team film! Coolest team in comics! Black Panther also. Maybe let him debut in FF2 and then his own series. I'd go see a Static Shock movie as I always enjoyed the cartoon (early episodes anyway).

Anyway just my 2 and a half cents.

[Red Mask]

Not me. I would love to see more Superheroes from different races and nationalities. I just wonder are there not as many black comic book fans as there are white ones? Or as many Japanese ones? I know I've heard how much the Japanese love American pop culture. I wonder why there aren't more Japanese oriented superheroes.

Do you mean why doesn't American comic books have more Japanese superheroes. Or why doesn't Japan have more costumed superheroes?

[w@llcrawler]

Do you mean why doesn't American comic books have more Japanese superheroes. Or why doesn't Japan have more costumed superheroes?

I meant as crazy as I've heard the Japanese are over American pop culture
that maybe Marvel or DC should taylor some stuff more for them, i.e. Japanese characters. But having heard myself say what I meant I now see the flaw in my logic. The Japanese love AMERICAN pop culture. I guess they have plenty enough Japanese comics in their own country. Heck , MY son likes the Japanese stuff (Yugioh, DBZ,etc.) more than the American comics, although he does read some Marvel stuff.

In regards to the issue that is the topic of this thread, I don't really know the answer. I want to say that if a comic is well written and well drawn, it shouldn't matter what color the characters are. It should sell well to a broader audience than one made up solely of people of the same race as the title character.

If the problem is that there just aren't enough black comic fans out there buying titles with black charaters, maybe a diverse team book with a strong black leader would be the next best thing. I LOVE Cage in the New Avengers. He's funny, smart, and there's nothing particularly "black" about him as there is nothing particularly "white" about Spider-man. Race isn't even an issue (with the exception of the new baby, and that's not really an issue compared to the "what-kind-of-super-powers-is-this-kid-gonna-develope" issue).

Looking at Blade (the movies) I don;t think there's anything particularly race-specific about the character. I think, in the context of the film an Asian or whatever could have played the part without changing any of the meaning of the story. Not saying I would want that but just saying if they'd write Cage, not as the story of a black man, but just of a man (no stereotypes) who is framed and sent to prison, I think it'd be a lot better than wasting time worrying about whether or not the character is "black" enough. I know I'm rambling but I guess what I mean is that if you read the script and there was no mention of the character's race, and from reading the script you COULDN'T TELL what his race was, then you'd have successfully removed any stereotypes that might turn someone off to the movie. Then find a good black actor who could bring that character to life and presto, you'd be on your way to having a great movie about a black superhero!

[ChinoXL]

I'd really like to see a GOOD spawn movie the characters were well portrayed but the pg-13 killed it

[warpdrive]

I think either the black green lantern or a movie about bishop would be good, what's this i hear about Will Smith playing a super hero?

[w@llcrawler]

I'd really like to see a GOOD spawn movie the characters were well portrayed but the pg-13 killed it

I saw an R rated cut of Spawn on dvd the other day at Wal-mart. Never saw it though. I don't hold out much hope for a good remake after hearing McFarlane saying he's going to write, produce and direct it himself for less than $1 million (i thinkthat was the amount - anyway, something rediculously low).

[Dorian Gray]

Bishop would make an excellent movie..


Green Lantern would be ridiculous no matter who they picked. One group would want Jordan, another would want Stewart, and the third would want Rayner..theres no happy middle ground with GL.

[Flame on!]

It's got nothing to do with skin colour. Black superheroes are for the most part, quite ****.

Black Panther could work, but not when you can make Iron Man. Luke Cage could work, but not when you can make Thor.

Those are the only two that have any real chance of being made, but they're so far down the pecking order it's untrue. Heck, we're even gonna get FF2 before those.

And all the others are so B-list, it's laughable to think that they could carry a film.

It really pisses me off when people read into things and see patterns that aren't there.

[KenK]

It's got nothing to do with skin colour. Black superheroes are for the most part, quite ****.

Black Panther could work, but not when you can make Iron Man. Luke Cage could work, but not when you can make Thor.

Those are the only two that have any real chance of being made, but they're so far down the pecking order it's untrue. Heck, we're even gonna get FF2 before those.

And all the others are so B-list, it's laughable to think that they could carry a film.

It really pisses me off when people read into things and see patterns that aren't there.

Lest we forget, someone had to greenlight MAN-THING!! Yeah, it ended up being straight to video, but the bottom line is, someone actually thought there was a viable audience for the character. If such a low-rent character could get even a direc-to-video movie, characters like Black Panther and Luke Cage should be just as deserving.

Some people still seem to forget Marvel's first theatrical success was Blade, after the embarassments of films like The Punisher and Captain America, that couldn't eve muster support to make it to the big screen, it was one the their most obscure of obscure characters, and a black character at that, that blazed a trail for the Spider-Man and X-Men franchises. And without there success, we might not have even seen films like Sin City or V For Vendetta.

[terry78]

It's quite easy to dismiss a cry of wanting a superhero that looks like you racially when most of them already do.

[Mr. Socko]

They'll be plenty of black superhero movies coming soon. By 2010 they'll have made every superhero comic into a movie and tarnish them all except maybe a few. They're 2/3 complete already :rolleyes:

[pifpaf]

most people seem to forget most of super heros war made early 40 50 60 and 70at this time black people dont have at this time...(segregation time) the same right than white people and most of writer at this time was white and some black ceator dont even have right to created a black super heros to firt bach of black super heros where created late 60 early 70 at the end of segregation


the only thing bug me is some people want to change some iconic character esample(some rumor have said couple a years ago want to make a black superman it bug me when they change white nick fury for black nick fury, why they just created a new character.

for me dont change character for black just created a new one use imagination not go the easy ways for only change skin color


we have enought place for new creation by the triathlon was cool and falcon is hot

[pifpaf]

why we dont start a contest

create a totaly new no-white character super heros it would be chanllenging
and fun

[Mister J]

Lest we forget, someone had to greenlight MAN-THING!! Yeah, it ended up being straight to video, but the bottom line is, someone actually thought there was a viable audience for the character. If such a low-rent character could get even a direc-to-video movie, characters like Black Panther and Luke Cage should be just as deserving.
Last I heard, there were rumblings of theatrical releases for both, Luke Cage and Black Panther. Of course, it's just talk right now, but I have seen it mentioned.

Some people still seem to forget Marvel's first theatrical success was Blade, after the embarassments of films like The Punisher and Captain America, that couldn't eve muster support to make it to the big screen, it was one the their most obscure of obscure characters, and a black character at that, that blazed a trail for the Spider-Man and X-Men franchises. And without there success, we might not have even seen films like Sin City or V For Vendetta
It's true that Blade was Marvel's first success on the big screen, but it had nothing to do with the character's skin color. Blade was the first movie project they actually took seriously. Captain America, The Punisher and that horrendous unreleased Fantastic Four movie were all crap. They were just flat out awful and poorly produced. When Marvel took an active interest in seeing justice done to the character, things changed. There was a market there, but the product was crap. Fantastic Four and The Punisher fared much better when they were given proper treatment. A movie about Cap would be the same way. If Blade was made in the same vein as the previous movies, it would have tanked too.

The primary (if not sole) purpose of these movies is to make money. It's not to appease us hardcore fans and it's certainly not to cater to equal representation among the races. If those things happen to result, then great, but studios are looking to maximize dollars. It's natural that Marvel and DC look to their big guns and recognizable names first. As it turns out, not alot of those characters are Black (or any other race/ethnicity for that matter). The reasoning behind that is another discussion altogether.

It's not as if Marvel or DC are just ignoring adaptations of characters because they're Black. If the companies think they can make beaucoup cash off a property (of any color), they're going to go for it.

[KenK]

Last I heard, there were rumblings of theatrical releases for both, Luke Cage and Black Panther. Of course, it's just talk right now, but I have seen it mentioned.

I know they're in production, but I was responding to Flame On!, who said, why bother with those characters, when there are more high profile characters that could be adapted.


It's true that Blade was Marvel's first success on the big screen, but it had nothing to do with the character's skin color.

I never said Blade succeded because of the character being black, but it succeeded in spite of it, as you've illustrated that the filmmakers primarily focus on whatever can make them the most money, and that usually means going with more high-profile characters. I'm not arguing that, but I think with some of the comic book films that get made and reach ANY venue, whether it be the theaters, DVD, or even cable (I mean, c'mon, even Painkiller Jane has gotten live-action treatment!), there are a few characters (who may just happen to be black, or non-white in general) that could stand to get a shot.

[Mister J]

I know they're in production, but I was responding to Flame On!, who said, why bother with those characters, when there are more high profile characters that could be adapted.
OK. I hope they do as many of the notable characters as possible. There'll always be a niche audience and if the product is quality, people will go see it. Those characters deserve consideration. They all won't make hundreds of millions at the BO, but there's certainly a profit opportunity there.

I never said Blade succeded because of the character being black, but it succeeded in spite of it, as you've illustrated that the filmmakers primarily focus on whatever can make them the most money, and that usually means going with more high-profile characters. I'm not arguing that, but I think with some of the comic book films that get made and reach ANY venue, whether it be the theaters, DVD, or even cable (I mean, c'mon, even Painkiller Jane has gotten live-action treatment!), there are a few characters (who may just happen to be black, or non-white in general) that could stand to get a shot.

Ahh. I get your context now. I think a good number of people would be in favor of that. I'd hate to think that there's even consideration that certain characters aren't bankable because of race. Blade garnered a trilogy. I hope that would quell the argument against race right there. That was big for a second-tier character. It only fell off when they screwed it all up near the end.

I like that Marvel is going thru with the Blade live-action series. Hopefully it'll do well and lead to some discussion for similar treatment of other non A-list, yet viable properties. A potential drawback could be the reluctance to settle for DTV money, when they feel they could go after full theatrical release money. However, I'm all for quality projects, regardless of medium.

[Flame on!]

Lest we forget, someone had to greenlight MAN-THING!! Yeah, it ended up being straight to video, but the bottom line is, someone actually thought there was a viable audience for the character. If such a low-rent character could get even a direc-to-video movie, characters like Black Panther and Luke Cage should be just as deserving.

Some people still seem to forget Marvel's first theatrical success was Blade, after the embarassments of films like The Punisher and Captain America, that couldn't eve muster support to make it to the big screen, it was one the their most obscure of obscure characters, and a black character at that, that blazed a trail for the Spider-Man and X-Men franchises. And without there success, we might not have even seen films like Sin City or V For Vendetta.
Man-Thing was a creature effects film though, attracting comic and horror film buffs to the flick, something that had yet to be seen in the comic to movie genre.

To say that Blade was the first big hitter for Marvel is true, but to bring race into it is codswallop. It was a badass dude kung-fu-ing his way through hords of vampires. It had decent direction, nice editing and a banging soundtrack. The vampire hunter was the sellling point, building on the fan base established by Buffy and what not.

Luke Cage could be a good flick in the right hands, and it will get made because it's ridiculous to say that it wouldn't. I'm just saying there's a pecking order and like it or not, black superheroes just are't in the public consciousness and even those who are are almost too 'black' as to alienate a fraction of the audience (Black Panther invokes the black panther movement, Luke Cage - a badass from the ghetto etc).

Spider-Man, Hulk, Daredevil etc could feasibly have been played by black actors, but you will never ever even contemplate having Blakc Panther or Luke Cage played by a whitey because the ethnic origins of the characters are so prominant.

[deemar325]

It's got nothing to do with skin colour. Black superheroes are for the most part, quite ****.

Black Panther could work, but not when you can make Iron Man. Luke Cage could work, but not when you can make Thor.

Those are the only two that have any real chance of being made, but they're so far down the pecking order it's untrue. Heck, we're even gonna get FF2 before those.

And all the others are so B-list, it's laughable to think that they could carry a film.

It really pisses me off when people read into things and see patterns that aren't there.

Ever hear of a little movie called 'Blade'?

Z-list character, Black, didn't even have his own ongoing series yet it's a triology of movies.

Flame-off.

[deemar325]

why we dont start a contest

create a totaly new no-white character super heros it would be chanllenging
and fun

Your grammar is horrible.

[Dr. Mid-Nite]

Your grammar is horrible.

Read his sig, it explains why.

[deemar325]

Read his sig, it explains why.

Ah..yes Quebec!

[Dr. Mid-Nite]

Ah..yes Quebec!

Yep. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[deemar325]

Isn't Seline Dion from Quebec?

God I hate her.

[Dr. Mid-Nite]

Isn't Seline Dion from Quebec?

God I hate her.

I think you mean Celine Dion. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

And yes, she is.

[deemar325]

I think you mean Celine Dion. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

And yes, she is.

Well I'm never going to Quebec.

[Flame on!]

Ever hear of a little movie called 'Blade'?

Z-list character, Black, didn't even have his own ongoing series yet it's a triology of movies.

Flame-off.
Oh yeah, forgot about Blade. Wish I'd mentioned him in the post directly before yours...

Next time, read the full thread before trying to be a smart arse.

[deemar325]

Oh yeah, forgot about Blade. Wish I'd mentioned him in the post directly before yours...

Next time, read the full thread before trying to be a smart arse.

A little behind on the jabs aren't ya?

[Flame on!]

I have real life friends to attend to.

[Masut]

John Stewart/Green Lantern

[Flame on!]

John Stewart/Green Lantern
Is considerably crappier than Hal Jordon and Kyle Raynor.

[GL1]

Is considerably crappier than Hal Jordon and Kyle Raynor.

Read comics. Seriously. Not only will you learn how to spell Jordan and Rayner, but you'll learn that John out thinks and is just all around deeper and more interesting than Kyle and Hal. He's definitely not white, though... which is kinda the point of this thread... readers are leaders.

[Flame OFF]





Edit:


Oh, and it's BEYOND past time for a John Stewart movie to be made...

[MangleBoP]

Read comics. Seriously. Not only will you learn how to spell Jordan and Rayner, but you'll learn that John out thinks and is just all around deeper and more interesting than Kyle and Hal. He's definitely not white, though... which is kinda the point of this thread... readers are leaders.


Personelly, I prefer Kyle, because he has more imaginative constructs. And like I said before, Kyle is half Latino, so he's not White.




Oh, and it's BEYOND past time for a John Stewart movie to be made...
Hal was first, he gets the first movie.

[GL1]

Personelly, I prefer Kyle, because he has more imaginative constructs. And like I said before, Kyle is half Latino, so he's not White.

Understandable... glad you have that opinion. And true, Kyle does have some rarely mentioned, rarely-drawn ethnicity, that I have forgotten about... does Kyle, as a character, have any connection with any Latino culture? I mean, he is biologically not white, I see, but does he have any appreciation for things from his Latino background, or is it just 'oh... I'm not white' and he goes on with his life unchanged?


Hal was first, he gets the first movie.

1) Says who? 2)Alan was first. However, if you have other black superhero movie suggestions, I'd love to hear them.

[Rez]

Seems to me the person who wrote the article was smoking crack.
So there haven't been a billion superhero movies in the past 4 or 5 years with a black person being the hero? Boo. Frickin'. Hoo. Oh, and yeah, right.

Just off the top of my head, we've had:

Steel
Blade
Blade II
Blade III
Blankman
Catwoman
Spawn
X-Men
X-Men 2
X-Men 3(Soon)
Daredevil with the major villian role of Kingpin being Michael Clark Duncan

Along with roles like that of Samuel L Jackson's in The Incredibles, as well as his upcoming role in Snakes On A Plane(In which he might as well be a mother****ing superhero).


Look at that. The earliest film on there is either Blankman or Spawn, and those both came out during or after 1996. And who knows if I'm forgetting any. Point is, that is quite a bit. Sure, there's been a few more superhero films with white people as the stars, but again I ask- SO WHAT. It's stupid to count such a thing, especially when the difference isn't even that great.

[terry78]

^Don't put Blankman and made up characters for cartoons in the same category as classic Marvel and DC characters. Ever. And Blade is one guy with three movies. That makes no sense whatsoever. Spawn, Blade and Steel are the only true ones on that list. That's still barely any.

[Rez]

...Why not?

That's a respectable list.


Not including team films with black cast members is pretty stupid if you ask me(or if you aren't going to count them, you shouldn't count them for white cast members either). In fact, speaking of stupid topics, is this entire thing.

Going blow for blow yes there are more superhero films with whites, but thats as someone pointed out because of the source material, much of which was created in the 40s, 50s, and 60s, when people were still being douchebags(moreso than today).

Looking at things that way, it certainly makes sense for creator owned superheros to emerge(like Blankman, Sky High, etc..)- they can be any ethnicity or origin that whoever wants, and there won't be legions of pissed fans because of it.

Personally, I think it's dumb to NOT count all three Blade movies, as it's shown just how successful Blade as a charecter was. You can bet your ass we aren't going to get two more Elektra movies.


And we know we have the Blank Panther movie coming up, along with the Martin Lawrence one mentioned. Also, Power Man.

The one I really want to see is Prowler, he's one of my favourite charecters in comics. But, I'm not holding out too much hope. I also want to see something on Ben Reilly and the Clone Saga, but I'm sure it's just the color of his suit that's holding him back, or some other half winded argument.

[Iron Man™]

Sky Rocket, is also a black super hero guys.

[GL1]

Um... no... it's not a respectable list... we don't count ALL movies that have a black member as supporting cast member, that would include nearly ALL movies. You wouldn't be silly enough to come out and say that X-Men is a "black superhero movie" so there's no need to insinuate it in a sideways way. The X-Men franchise does not center on Storm. Period. Daredevil featured no black superheroes. Period.

Speaking of insinuations, you are also, whether you know it or not, insinuating that there can never be any iconic black Superheroes, just so ya know.

And once more thing: while Black Panther and Power Man movies are certainly in the works, there's no reason to think they're certain, or not to factor in the two dozen movies that center on white superheroes also in development hades for comparison.

That said, once again, a John Stewart movie is looong overdue, and would absolutely own.

[deemar325]

Man you guys need to chill.

[GL1]

Man you guys need to chill.

:eek:

Maybe you need to chill on telling us to chill...

:bomb: Booyah. :D

(Do smileys make you feel more comfortable?)

[MJB]

Understandable... glad you have that opinion. And true, Kyle does have some rarely mentioned, rarely-drawn ethnicity, that I have forgotten about... does Kyle, as a character, have any connection with any Latino culture? I mean, he is biologically not white, I see, but does he have any appreciation for things from his Latino background, or is it just 'oh... I'm not white' and he goes on with his life unchanged?


Um Latino is a culture and not a race. Their are black and white latinos. Kyle is part Latino culture, but he's still white.

[terry78]

I think unless part of your bi-racial background is black, people will just go ahead and call you white if that is one half of your background. There are a lot of latino/white and asian/white people walking around that you couldn't tell, but a black/white person is known right off the bat.

[tamron]

^Yup. It's the "one-drop" rule. A drop of black blood "taints" you.

[Mr. Socko]

I think unless part of your bi-racial background is black, people will just go ahead and call you white if that is one half of your background. There are a lot of latino/white and asian/white people walking around that you couldn't tell, but a black/white person is known right off the bat.

Not true. I found out about a year ago that Vin Diesel was half black, he looks entirely white.

[terry78]

Not true. I found out about a year ago that Vin Diesel was half black, he looks entirely white.
Not really, he looked more Cuban. You can tell the dude is not 100% Anglo.

[Mr. Socko]

But back to the topic

I'm still waiting on new mexican and black superhero movies

[GL1]

Give me:

Green Lantern: John Stewart, I'd like a trilogy, please...
Black Panter (a more spaced out trilogy, which should include Storm)
Static (more like the comic than cartoon)
Age of Apocalypse (starring Bishop, a Incredibles-style CGI movie)
Sky High 2 (starring a black kid as a freshman with no powers that ends up Batmanning the whole school)
Robin Begins (I would make the Graysons black, but I can think of about 25,000 people who would want to kill me for it...)
The Ultimates (live action blockbuster... Nick Fury as a main character)
Icon and Rocket (a cartoon series taking up where Static left off... great stories, urban tint and a lot of high powered high flying action... costume redesigns all around though...)
Horus (a movie about an egyptian demigod, either Khensou or Horus, lots of action, mayhem and a great epic storyline... and for the confused, ancient egyptians were big nosed, big lipped black people, from the pharoahs to the peasants to the deities.)
Matrix: Rebirth ( a prequel movie about Morpheus and how he started, lost Niobe, got Trinity, came to beleive in the One and his first victory against Agent Smith.


hmm... there aren't that many black Superheroes... I could make a laundry list of white superhero movies that need to get made...

[deemar325]

^Yup. It's the "one-drop" rule. A drop of black blood "taints" you.

Love the use of 'taint'.

[deemar325]

:eek:

Maybe you need to chill on telling us to chill...

:bomb: Booyah. :D

(Do smileys make you feel more comfortable?)

Yes they do.

:) ahh..

[Retroman]

Kind of relevant to this thread.

From AICN:

Casting already underway with Favreau's IRON MAN film? Juicy rumor here...

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with a nice, juicy casting rumor for you folks. A few days ago there was word that reached my ears about the role of Tony Stark in Jon Favreau's IRON MAN being offered to a very interesting actor. The word was that IRON MAN was being offered to HUSTLE & FLOW's Terrence Howard. That rumor was bizarre, yet somehow fitting. In the recent interview I did with Jon Favreau at Comic-Con, he told me that he was looking for a great actor that hadn't hit it huge yet, a name that wouldn't overshadow the title of the film. Howard fit that bill.

So, I checked in with sources deep within Paramount and Marvel to see if I could confirm this weird rumor. Besides having the perfect mustache for the role, I think a lot of fans wouldn't have been able to get around the racial difference, much like they didn't get behind Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin in DAREDEVIL.

I finally got one of my sources to tell me that Terrence Howard was indeed offered a role in IRON MAN, but not that of Tony Stark.

Going over my interview again, Favreau listed off a number of IRON MAN regulars who would appear in the film. The obvious conclusion I reached was that Terrence Howard was offered the role of James Rhodes, good friend to Tony Stark and future bearer of the armor and IRON MAN identity. He became known as War Machine after Stark reclaimed the name and suit.

So, that's the word. Terrence Howard has been offered the role of James Rhodes in the IRON MAN film. No guarantee he'll take it, but I think Howard is one of the most interesting actors working in the business today and his presence in the film will only make it better. Especially if we get to see Howard don a super suit in this film (or sequels) and kick some ass. What do you folks think?

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[ReptileOrion]

The best bet is to go with the gallery of Milestone's characters. I love those books back in the early to mid 90s. Characters like Hardware, Icon, and Static could definitely work. But with Hardware and Icon you'll get comparisons to Iron Man and Superman. You could always go with the Blood Syndicate.

[Spider - Man]

Give me:

Green Lantern: John Stewart, I'd like a trilogy, please...


I'd like to see a GL trilogy with ALL the Lanterns! Would be awesome!!


Black Panter (a more spaced out trilogy, which should include Storm)


"Spaced out"??


Static (more like the comic than cartoon)


Don't know about the comic but I loved the cartoon! Bring it on!


Age of Apocalypse (starring Bishop, a Incredibles-style CGI movie)


Could be cool!


Sky High 2 (starring a black kid as a freshman with no powers that ends up Batmanning the whole school)


Oookayyy, I didn't think the first one was that great but maybe a change in the race of the lead character(s) could help(?)


Robin Begins (I would make the Graysons black, but I can think of about 25,000 people who would want to kill me for it...)


I don't want to kill you, but just...why?


The Ultimates (live action blockbuster... Nick Fury as a main character)


Sam Jackson would be cool! Would prefer a straight Avengers film which is what I think we're gonna get!


Icon and Rocket (a cartoon series taking up where Static left off... great stories, urban tint and a lot of high powered high flying action... costume redesigns all around though...)


Were these guys from the Static show?


Horus (a movie about an egyptian demigod, either Khensou or Horus, lots of action, mayhem and a great epic storyline... and for the confused, ancient egyptians were big nosed, big lipped black people, from the pharoahs to the peasants to the deities.)


I'm still confused...at what point did Egyptians become...not black? Where did you get this info?:confused:


Matrix: Rebirth ( a prequel movie about Morpheus and how he started, lost Niobe, got Trinity, came to beleive in the One and his first victory against Agent Smith.


I think the Matrix gig is done. The first movie was awesome. I never saw the other 2 but didn't hear great things about them. Maybe as a straight to video done in the computer animation of the Animatrix (was that what it was called?)

I'm most looking forward to Luke Cage. I'm just torn if I want Singleton to do it or not.

[B1g Jerm]

Meteor Man!!!!!!!!!!

[Uncanny]

Kind of relevant to this thread.

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There are way better black guys that could be James Rhodes. James Rhodes actor should be a more darker skin black guy like he was in the comics. Terrence Howard is to light to be James Rhodes. There is nothing wrong with having a dark skin BLACK superhero that does not kill like Blade.

[James"007"Bond]

There are way better black guys that could be James Rhodes. James Rhodes actor should be a more darker skin black guy like he was in the comics. Terrence Howard is to light to be James Rhodes. There is nothing wrong with having a dark skin BLACK superhero that does not kill like Blade.

Instead of shooting your mouth off like you know something, how about giving examples of better black actors. Howard is a black man through and through, his skin tone doesn't have to be darker. Howard is a good actor, has a good build and most importantly is a black man. If he should take on the role, its a performance I for one will be looking foward to.

[Lex Luthor]

Robin Begins (I would make the Graysons black, but I can think of about 25,000 people who would want to kill me for it...)

Hmmm .....

Actually this almost happened in Batman Returns as I believe one of the Wayans brothers was hired to play Dick.

Fortunately, Burton nixed this from the script.
Robin definately wasnt required for that movie.

[Retroman]

Instead of shooting your mouth off like you know something, how about giving examples of better black actors. Howard is a black man through and through, his skin tone doesn't have to be darker. Howard is a good actor, has a good build and most importantly is a black man. If he should take on the role, its a performance I for one will be looking foward to.
I agree. Howard is one of the better black actors out there respected by audiences and his peirs (Oscar nomination).

I've been watching him ever since he was in that sitcom Sparks so its great to see his rise to fame.
BTW Wasn't he also offered a part in Luke Cage alongside Tyrese?

[tamron]

I don't think Howard is right for Rhodey. Rhodey's rough and tumble, Howard is too suave, too ''pretty'. Morris Chestnut would've been my choice. He's attractive enough, but not 'pretty'. You could see him in a scrap, and doing some damage.

But Favs probably wants Howard because he's fairly well-known thanks to his breakout year of 2005, but not big enough to overshadow whoever plays Tony.

[Retroman]

^^Morris Chestnut is not really in Terrence Howard's league in my opnion.

[KenK]

I don't think Howard is right for Rhodey. Rhodey's rough and tumble, Howard is too suave, too ''pretty'. Morris Chestnut would've been my choice. He's attractive enough, but not 'pretty'. You could see him in a scrap, and doing some damage.

See, now that reasoning I can agree with. Not some dumb s*** about how dark or lightskinned he is.

But Favs probably wants Howard because he's fairly well-known thanks to his breakout year of 2005, but not big enough to overshadow whoever plays Tony.

Yeah, he's a very marketable (black) actor, yet nowhere near the big time star Denzel or Will Smith is. He can still do a supporting role.

[tamron]

^^Morris Chestnut is not really in Terrence Howard's league in my opnion.

I'm not comparing their acting skills, (if I was, I'd be inclined to agree with you) I'm just talking about who fits the character better. Rhodey as a character is in Chestnut's wheelhouse, I don't feel he is in Howard's.

[James"007"Bond]

I don't think Howard is right for Rhodey. Rhodey's rough and tumble, Howard is too suave, too ''pretty'. Morris Chestnut would've been my choice. He's attractive enough, but not 'pretty'. You could see him in a scrap, and doing some damage.

But Favs probably wants Howard because he's fairly well-known thanks to his breakout year of 2005, but not big enough to overshadow whoever plays Tony.

There's this film with Taye Diggs, Morris chestnut and Howard, cant remember the name of the film but Howard played an incensitive prick who had a very mean yet creepy look to him. Howard has no problem getting tough, after all, he's an actor for goodness sake.

[tamron]

I believe you're referring to The Best Man, and that character had very few similarities to Rhodey, outside of the fact both are black men.

In fact, Chestnut's performance in The Best Man is part of what makes me think he's perfect for Rhodey. He's physically imposing, charming in the scenes with his wife to be, and shares a good rapport with Diggs' character, and when he learns of Diggs' character's betrayal, he lights into him with a temper and physical assault akin to Rhodey's disagreements with Tony.

Howard is a good actor, but I don't think he fits Rhodey as he has traditionally been written as well as some other actors could. The fact they want him makes me think movie Rhodey won't quite be comic Rhodey.

[Green Goblin 1964]

how about will smith?:D :D :D :D :D

[Nightwing]

I agree. Howard is one of the better black actors out there respected by audiences and his peirs (Oscar nomination).

I've been watching him ever since he was in that sitcom Sparks so its great to see his rise to fame.
BTW Wasn't he also offered a part in Luke Cage alongside Tyrese?

Yes. Yes he was. Howard was once attached to the role of Diamonback, in the Cage film.

[Flame on!]

you'll learn that John out thinks and is just all around deeper and more interesting than Kyle and Hal.
Really, in what way? Y'know, other than you just saying it...

[ReptileOrion]

Meteor Man!!!!!!!!!!

I remember that movie from back in the day....I actually enjoyed watching it in the theater and whenever it comes on television I always end up watching it. :up: Anyone remember the horrible Bill Cosby movie Leonard Part 6 (or whatever it was called) ?

[Retroman]

I'm not comparing their acting skills, (if I was, I'd be inclined to agree with you) I'm just talking about who fits the character better. Rhodey as a character is in Chestnut's wheelhouse, I don't feel he is in Howard's.
They could always write the character to fit Howard? Doesn't mean they have to change the essence of Rhodey perse.

Yes. Yes he was. Howard was once attached to the role of Diamonback, in the Cage film.
Thanks:up:

[Chaos Bringer]

Brother Vodoo
Black Goliath
Photon
Bishop
The Prowler
Mr. Terrific
Vixen
Cyborg


either Bishop or Cyborg would make great entertaining films

[Advanced Dark]

Deathlok too but I think Bishop would be an unnecessary solo film. Dont' forget about Negative Man & Jack Spade form IGGYS LOL

[Sasquatch]

I've loved Mr. Terrific for years. That could be an incredible movie... but I'm not sure if DC has established him well enough to be a stand alone character.

Steel done the right way would be balls to the wall! He's an incredible character.

I must say that Tyrese as Cage has me worried. He isn't going to say "Sweet Christmas!" is he?

Bishop could be a good futuristic movie. He's a team dependant hero right now and I think his character could be surounded by a few good support characters.

Good thread.

[Sasquatch]

Just something interesting I found.

http://www.karenplatt.co.uk/cards/images/landscape/TulipaBlackHero.jpg

This is called a Tulipa Black Hero

[Advanced Dark]

So maybe if they put that flower in the background of every superhero film then this thread will end. ;)

[Chuck_the_bear]

what about black tom cassidy.......OH
nevermind

[warpdrive]

yeah... he was white, I think he was even Irish.

[Sasquatch]

So maybe if they put that flower in the background of every superhero film then this thread will end. ;)

Now THERE'S the solution!

I just thought that was an interesting find. Beautiful flower as well.

[Red Mask]

How about Stormwatch with Jackson as the main character?

[MangleBoP]

Understandable... glad you have that opinion. And true, Kyle does have some rarely mentioned, rarely-drawn ethnicity, that I have forgotten about... does Kyle, as a character, have any connection with any Latino culture? I mean, he is biologically not white, I see, but does he have any appreciation for things from his Latino background, or is it just 'oh... I'm not white' and he goes on with his life unchanged?

I don't remember him making a big deal of it, but then how do you show Latin heritage without falling into stereotypes?

1) Says who? 2)Alan was first. However, if you have other black superhero movie suggestions, I'd love to hear them.

Hal was the first (Human) member of the GL Corps, and since Alan was never connected to the Corps, Oa, or the Guardians, he isn't a factor in a series of movies that would eventualy go through Hal, John, Kyle, and MAYBE Guy. It just makes sense to start at the begining, and GL begins with Hal.

And while on the subject of non-Anglo heros, the new Blue Beetle is Mexican.

[Retroman]

I've loved Mr. Terrific for years. That could be an incredible movie... but I'm not sure if DC has established him well enough to be a stand alone character.

Steel done the right way would be balls to the wall! He's an incredible character.

I must say that Tyrese as Cage has me worried. He isn't going to say "Sweet Christmas!" is he?

Bishop could be a good futuristic movie. He's a team dependant hero right now and I think his character could be surounded by a few good support characters.

Good thread.
:up:

[ShadowBoxing]

At least Marvel has some black superheroes. Don't expect any from DC.Firestorm would rule. John Stewart would make an excellent GL cast member. And I am currently writing a script for my version of a Teen Titans movie featuring Cyborg.

I am a big advocate of black superheroes. Nothing would please me more than more African American and African centered Superhero movies.

[Sasquatch]

:up:

:up: to you as well my Netherlandic colleague.