Why does Daredevil and Elektra flims not sit well with fans?

[Jack Bauer]

It's the PG13 rating? Fox 's campaign for the flims? Fox itself? Affleck? Garner?

That's all I wanted to know is why they don't sit well with the fans.

[The Question]

Daredevil mostly because all the good stuff got edited out by Fox and replaced with Hollywood crap. That's why most like the director's cut.

[Nightwing]

The directors cut is WAY better then what they gave us in theaters. FX usually runs the DC each month, I've seen it about 5 times.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Affleck surprised me. It was Garner that sucked. An' Elektra was borin' as hell.

DD I like either version, but prefer th' DC.

[Ronny Shade]

because they weren't very good.

[Hypestyle]

i've got the director's cut for both films (and the original DD dvd).. I liked both, despite the flaws.. but I guess the "public" is another matter altogether.. plus, Ben Affleck and Jen Garner have hedged about getting involved in sequels.. plus they're married now-- and remember "Gigli"? forget putting them in a film together now..

[Max J Power]

I liked Dardevil and Elktra wasn't bad. Garner wasn't too good as Elektra and I didn't like Bullseye.

[skorponok]

Fans dig the DD Director's cut overall...

It's the theatrical DD and both versions of Elektra that don't sit well...

[Darth Elektra]

It's the PG13 rating? Fox 's campaign for the flims? Fox itself? Affleck? Garner?

That's all I wanted to know is why they don't sit well with the fans.

Well as a major fan of the Daredevil and Elektra comics, I can answer you qeustion, Alot goes into why these films are "awsome".

Pg-13, These films should be Rated R.
Fox, Wow,where to start...:( Everything about them sucks!
Garner and Affleck, I love Garner as Elektra,Ben was a ok choice. However the fanbase for both these films are split 50/50. Some love Garner(like myself) some dont like her. Its the Same way with Ben Affleck.

I think a DD2 would work, Elektra 2, probably not.

[Spider-Bite]

Is there a lesbian scene in Elektra?

[huskerwebhead]

Daredevil felt rushed to me, even the directors cut...which I did like much better. It just seemed like they tried to cram the entire DD history into a couple hours. It was OK, but it could have been so much better.

I didn't like Elektra at all. The story was OK, but there were so many silly things, like the fight with all the sheets flying around. Most of all, Elektra was too "fluffy" for me. The Elektra from the comics was a little more rough...mean.

[Spider-Bite]

but is there a lesbian kiss in that movie?

[amazingfantasy15]

I thought Daredevil was pretty good, the director's cut even better, didn't mind any of the casting decisions. The Elektra movie was just plain bad though. The first five minutes was Elektra, the next hour and half wasn't. The fights were horrible and way too short, the story was laughable. The character of Elektra isn't enough to carry her own movie, but Jennifer Garner was hot at the time, so FOX decided to try and milk that fame and failed.

[The Question]

Daredevil felt rushed to me, even the directors cut...which I did like much better. It just seemed like they tried to cram the entire DD history into a couple hours. It was OK, but it could have been so much better.

I didn't like Elektra at all. The story was OK, but there were so many silly things, like the fight with all the sheets flying around. Most of all, Elektra was too "fluffy" for me. The Elektra from the comics was a little more rough...mean.



To quite Frank Miller:


"Elektra is not a nice person. She may feel sorry about it, but she's stilll not a nice person."

[co2]

Does everyone REALLY think the director's cut was that much better than the theatrical release? It was longer, sure, but it really didn't change my opinion of the movie one way or the other. All of the things I liked or disliked about the theatrical release were still there.

[The Question]

Well, let's see:


1) It had a sublot that made Matt and Foggy much more interesting and tied up alot of the plot holes in the theatrical release.

2) It got rid of that stupid sex scene.

3) Aflek actually seemed like Matt Murdock.

4) Bullseye's overall creepyness was fleshed out alot more.


I'd say it was a major improvement. There was only two things that griped me.


1) The overuse of CGI.

2) The fact that they called in all those cops and snipers to deal with two yahoos kicking the crap out of each other.

[HERCULES]

I didn't see Elektra.
As for Daredevil I've got mixed feelings. I didn't see the Director's Cut. I had no problems with the costumes or a black Kingpin. I think the DD/Elektra thing crammed into the film made it seemed rushed...they met, fell in love, then she 'died' in about 90 minutes or less. I think they could've done more with just focusing on DD vs. Kingpin. The positives: I didn't think Affleck was great but he wasn't as bad as I expected, some fight scenes were really good, and it wasn't really changed into a 'happy' movie to please the audience (I couldve seen them doing this)

[ancestrol sai]

elektra and daredevil were both good movies, daredevil was much darker than elektra. but the elektra film ripped off some things taken from DD (EX: typhoid mary) the whole making elektra sympathetic in the film failed she is a very dark and very self centered person not in the whole vanity way just the she couldnt care less for anyone else (matt maybe:confused: )
alot of the things that bugged me was elektra is out for vengence in DD but she dies why not just pop back into her normal life? she could have said publicity stunt, or she faked her own death to protect herself from her fathers killer. but they made her a really shy, really cut off from the world person which makes no sense at all. as for the becoming a assassin she says its what she is good at watch the bullseye Vs elektra fight and you think otherwise. DD was a good movie i liked everything about it, elektra had so many plot holes and so many stupid things in it (green smoke, flying sheets, stone killed by a tree etc.) as for casting Jen was a great elektra both times (she had to make the best from what she had in elektra though) but her in DD was great. affleck im not too fussed he was ok i guess.

[dpm07]

Daredevil is a film that over time people will appreciate and like a lot more. I didn't mind the regular version, but the DC definitely ups the ante, and makes the film that much better.

I'm a huge fan of Daredevil, and thought Ben did a great job in the role. :up:

I'd love to see a sequel.

[marcvader]

I thought the Director's Cut was an improvement, but the movie overall was just a disapointment to me. There were too many stupid scenes. The little fight in the playground between DD and Elektra was just sooo stupid. The scene when DD fought in the pool hall was a waste of time, too dark to fully appreciate DD's skills. Elektra being killed no comment needed there. Too many more to go on. As far as the Elektra movie goes I found it a mild surprise because of not having any expectations thanks to the DD movie.

[Darth Elektra]

Is there a lesbian scene in Elektra?

There's a kiss.

[Ronny Shade]

A death kiss

[Jack Bauer]

SO what I'm hearing is that Fox mess up both flims with the PG13 ratings. The DC's of both flims are more better. The comic fans are spilt with Ben and Jennifer. I hope I got right.

[Spider-Bite]

Well I just saw Elektra for the first time. I was never a fan of the comic book, though I'm not sure if I gave it a chance. I must say though I really liked the movie. I would definitely see a sequel if there was one. I'm not sure why everybody hates it. Perhaps it's different from the comic book. I don't know. I know over in spider-man a lot of die hard comic fans claim the movies suck. I am a big fan of the spidey comics and I think the movies are excellent.

[Darth Elektra]

Personally I think people never gave Elektra a chance, its a good film.

[Darth Elektra]

SO what I'm hearing is that Fox mess up both flims with the PG13 ratings. The DC's of both flims are more better. The comic fans are spilt with Ben and Jennifer. I hope I got right.

Pretty much, plus they strayed from the comic books, Like Elektra father wasnt killed by the KingPin,and other stuff.

[co2]

Personally, I wouldn't call Elektra a good film, but it wasn't as bad as people claim it to be. I thought it was almost on par with Daredevil. It was visually more interesting even in the action scenes, and I think the acting might have even been better. It just didn't have a plot and felt a bit empty...which is a giant flaw. DD had a plot....it was just wafer thin and predictable. I definitely didn't feel Elektra was predictable. DD felt like a paint by numbers comic book movie and...I'm not sure what Elektra was. But it certainly wasn't "Man-Thing" bad.

[KenK]

The director's cut really tied all the loose elements from the theatrical version together. The Theatrical version is okay, but it's like, The director's cut shows you things like, everytime Matt and Foggy are talking about a case, the case they're talking about was supposed to be in the movie. Watching the teatrical version, you'd just think it's a random reference, because we see that they're lawyers, but we wouldn't consider it integral to the plot of the film, as is the case with a lot of comic book movies. We accept that the hero has a job that he does when he's out of his costume. The difference with Daredevil is that Daredevil is an extension of Matt Murdocks ideals and goals as a lawyer. Both his identities can serve similar purposes, because Matt's content in the knowledge that most people will just write him off as a blind man who could never do the things Daredevil can.

As for the playground scene, one, it was in front of a bunch of kids, and two, it's not enough for anyone to make the leap and say, "Hey that blind dude can fight, he must be Daredevil!" And it established his relationship with Elektra. They're both competitive, and there's a bit of arrogance in both cases. I mean, watching the Batman movies, what's so special about half the love interests Bruce has had? What was so special about Chase or Vicki Vale? If anything, they were just both fame whores with a hard-on for Batman. One of the redeeming things about Batman and Robin, Bruce not falling head over heels for some chick you KNEW you'd never see in the next movie. He had himself a little trophy girlfriend to play up the billionaire playboy image, and flat out told her that, "Ho, it's no rings for you!"(I'm just quoting MF DOOM when I say that, Bruce would never call a girl a 'ho', even if they were one).

[tamron]

Daredevil felt rushed to me, even the directors cut...which I did like much better. It just seemed like they tried to cram the entire DD history into a couple hours. It was OK, but it could have been so much better.

I love Daredevil. I like the TC, and I love the DC, but I have to agree here. DD could've been even better had they focused on just DD and saved Elektra for a sequel. But I'm sure Fox would've nixed that, as they probably would've felt they needed a love story after seeing Spider-Man.

[Super_Ludacris]

It's the PG13 rating? Fox 's campaign for the flims? Fox itself? Affleck? Garner?

That's all I wanted to know is why they don't sit well with the fans.


Cause they sucked?

Having said that I did enjoy Daredevil personally and its DC

[Red Mask]

It's the PG13 rating? Fox 's campaign for the flims? Fox itself? Affleck? Garner?

That's all I wanted to know is why they don't sit well with the fans.

I like Daredevil. Love the Director's Cut even more. Hated Elektra because the story was just so bad. The talent was completely wasted with scenes that didn't increase in tension, but instead delivered melodrama. The cinematography was dull and Elektra sucked as a main character.

[Ronny Shade]

I didn't think ELektra was terrible, but it wasn't at ALL the way I thought they should have done it.

[ssj wolverine]

Daredevil didn't work because 1) Ben Affleck is a horrible actor 2) Daredevil unlike Spiderman or the X-MEN is not an interesting character. The reason that Electra didn't work is because 1)the script was bad and 2) All you need to do is watch Alias if you need to see Jennifer Garner kick ass.

[The Question]

Daredevil didn't work because 1) Ben Affleck is a horrible actor

He wasn't horrible in Daredevil.

2) Daredevil unlike Spiderman or the X-MEN is not an interesting character.


That is utter bull****.

[hippie_hunter]

SO what I'm hearing is that Fox mess up both flims with the PG13 ratings. The DC's of both flims are more better. The comic fans are spilt with Ben and Jennifer. I hope I got right.

The Director's Cut of Elektra doesn't really help the film. Ben Affleck was pretty good compared to most of his work but Jennifer Garner was horribly miscast as Elektra. And 20th Century Fox f**ked up big time. I'm hoping that Marvel is trying to get a similar deal with 20th Century Fox for Daredevil 2 like they did with Universal Studios for Hulk 2.

[Super_Ludacris]

The funny thing was most people said Garner was the only good thing about DD when it came out

[hippie_hunter]

Daredevil didn't work because 1) Ben Affleck is a horrible actor
While this statement is true, Affleck was surprisingly good in Daredevil.

2) Daredevil unlike Spiderman or the X-MEN is not an interesting character.
Daredevil is one of Marvel's best characters. More interesting than the overly used X-Men. However it did appear that in some scenes of the movie where it looked like 20th Century Fox was trying to rip-off Spider-Man (the opening credits, Daredevil's acrobatics)

The reason that Electra didn't work is because 1)the script was bad
True

and 2) All you need to do is watch Alias if you need to see Jennifer Garner kick ass.
More like Elektra was horribly miscast.

[The Question]

While this statement is true, Affleck was surprisingly good in Daredevil.


And he's had other good roles. He was good in Good Will Hunting, he was good in Dogma, and he was good in Shakespear in Love. Is he great? No. But he's not horrible. That being said, I think he and Matt Damon would both do alot better if they went back to writing.

[hippie_hunter]

And he's had other good roles. He was good in Good Will Hunting, he was good in Dogma, and he was good in Shakespear in Love. Is he great? No. But he's not horrible. That being said, I think he and Matt Damon would both do alot better if they went back to writing.

I completely forgot about Good Will Hunting and the View Askew movies, Affleck rocked in those. I never really liked Shakespeare in Love though. Okay aside from those Ben Affleck's movies tend to suck

[The Question]

True. As I said, while I don't think they're as horrible as many make them out to be, I think Afleck and Damon would benifit from going back to writing. That seems to be their greater strength.

[Casius--J]

I liked DD thought it had some cool action, but then i watched the directors cut and it was 10x better than the theatrical version.

Elektra however just plain sucked!!

[Mr Sensitive]

It is very easy to know why DD and Elektra are weak.

For DD, read Miller and Mazzuchelli's Born Again.

For Elektra, see Miller and co. in Elektra Assassin, in the DD series and Elektra Lives.

Their movies were, precisely, watered down versions.

[Tony Stark]

Daredevil was pretty good. Elektra just plain sucked. I can't put my finger on it, it was weird, the pacing was off, just came off as plain boring.

[HERCULES]

I completely forgot about Good Will Hunting and the View Askew movies, Affleck rocked in those. I never really liked Shakespeare in Love though. Okay aside from those Ben Affleck's movies tend to suck

Never saw Shakespeare in Love but I have seen GWH and the View Askew movies. I did like him in those but wouldn't go so far as to say that he 'rocked'. Oh well. I liked him the most in Dazed & Confused. I think his character's name was O'Bannon or something or other. He was the d*ckhead that failed senior year (again) and REALLY wanted to pummel all the incoming freshman. Most folks seem to forget that role.

[captain_jimbo]

I haven't seen Elektra, but I thought Daredevil the theatrical release and the director's cut were both great.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Daredevil is ok, the DC is slightly better, but i hated Elektra, i just thought it was a poor, uninteresting action movie.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

It was an action movie? Funny, I recall th' fights bein' spaced waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay apart.

[DarKush]

I thought Daredevil was okay, the Director's Cut was an improvement. I thought Affleck did okay, so did Garner, Farrell, and Michael Clark Duncan owned Kingpin.

Though in hindsight, I think Matt Damon would've made a killer DD/Matt Murdock. And maybe Salma Hayek, or Emmanuelle Vaugier for Elektra. I thought Garner did a good job, but I didn't really buy her as Elektra. It felt like I was watching Sidney Bristow. Which isn't really a problem because I really like Sid. However, the actress who plays her sister Nadia on Alias has more of an Elektra vibe to me.

The major failings of DD in my opinion was the lack of screentime, scant development Kingpin got, the stupid playground fight scene between Matt and Elektra, and the improbable resurgence of DD after Bullseye murdered Elektra. They were also trying to cram too much in the movie.

I think it would've been better if DD had followed the "Man Without Fear" TPB a little more, developing the Elektra/Matt relationship more slowly and logically. Perhaps Elektra could be a young lawyer, a rival or something. Hell, she could be the legal counsel for her father's corporation. Make sure Foggy & Ben Urich stayed in it, and Kingpin is the main villian. A sequel could've covered the Bullseye/Elektra battle.

The Elektra movie wasn't that bad to me. I think its the victim of a pile on, and Garner has been caught in the Affleck backlash. The movie was okay, not brilliant, great, but moved at a quick pace and had good FX. I really liked the superpowered assassins sent after Elektra and the people she was protecting.

I would like to see DD continued, perhaps as a series of DTV movies. They don't necessarily have to be a continuation. They could start from scratch. Though it would probably be best to go the continuation route, not to confuse fans of the Affleck movie. The DTV movies could be a little bit darker, grittier a la Frank Miller. Right off the bat, I would cast Anthony Anderson as the Kingpin. He does a terrific job on the Shield. He doesn't fit the look of KP, but he has the vicious, cunning, manipulative crime lord thing down pat.

[The Question]

Man Without Fear would have been perfect. Just introduce the costume earlyer on and replace the blond haired guy with Bullseye (to set up the rivalry), and it would have made a perfect Daredevil movie. And then the sequel could have been the introduction as Elektra as an assasin, and Bullseye killing her.

[skorponok]

I thought Garner did a good job, but I didn't really buy her as Elektra. It felt like I was watching Sidney Bristow. Which isn't really a problem because I really like Sid.

Do you think she would have been a better BLACK WIDOW? (although she probably wouldn't accept the role since it's too similar to Alias...on the surface at least)

[skorponok]

Daredevil didn't work because 1) Ben Affleck is a horrible actor 2) Daredevil unlike Spiderman or the X-MEN is not an interesting character. The reason that Electra didn't work is because 1)the script was bad and 2) All you need to do is watch Alias if you need to see Jennifer Garner kick ass.


1) Ben Affleck is no better or worse than Tom Cruise and a host of other actors that more or less play variations of themselves...and he's actually pretty good in films with subject matter closer to his heart or with people he's comfortable with, such as Kevin Smith's films, GWH, Changing Lanes, Boiler Room, Shakespeare in Love...and Daredevil, among others

2) Daredevil is not an interesting character? I'm not even going to dignify that with a response. Everyone has their opinions, but you seem to think you speak fact.

[skorponok]

True. As I said, while I don't think they're as horrible as many make them out to be, I think Afleck and Damon would benifit from going back to writing. That seems to be their greater strength.

Affleck is writing/directing an adaptation of "GONE, BABY, GONE", a Dennis Lehane (mystic river) novel, which is a property that he and Damon has been persuing for quite some time. I'm not sure if Damon has any involvement in it now though.

Damon was also credited as a writer on Gus Van Sant's "GERRY", but I don't know how you can really consider that a full script since that film was largely improvised.

They're both getting back together onscreen in a film where they portray lawyers, so that should end up working pretty well.

[fangrl06]

I liked Daredevil, but Electra? Come on...

[ancestrol sai]

I liked Daredevil, but Electra? Come on...
elektra!!:mad:

[DarKush]

Do you think she would have been a better BLACK WIDOW? (although she probably wouldn't accept the role since it's too similar to Alias...on the surface at least)

Skorp,

To be honest I don't know anything about Black Widow to give you an opinion. Is she the Russian agent from the Avengers? If so, I do think Garner could carry off that role.

She has a cute little Russian accent that she has used on Alias from time to time, and she has great physical abilities to carry off action scenes believably IMO.

[DavidTyler]

Daredevil is absolutely my girlfriend's favourite superhero movie. She thought 'Begins' was good but prefers the other.

Me? I really like both versions of Daredevil. Love Begins. Hated Elektra.

Aflek may not have been my first choice for the part but he did a very good job with it.

As to a 'black' Kingpin... I like it better than the comix version of Fisk. I wouldn't mind if Marvel re-introduced the character.

[TheCardPlayer]

I liked Elektra but Daredevil sucked ass.

[SouLeSS]

The Daredevil movie, to me, seemed like DD1 and a sequel wrapped up into one. They could of introduced Elecktra in the first film, but not really went much into it. Just introduced her as someone who hates DD, but towards the end of the movie she realized that it was Bullseye not her. DD didn't have to finish off Kingpin in the movie, in fact, he should of gotten his ass beaten, then sent home .

Then they make a sequel that had to do with the later stuff in the movie. Elektra dying, Kingpin getting owned. That kind of stuff. It would of been much better as a two part, then a third movie and no more. Thats just my thought though

[Bishop2]

I enjoyed both movies a lot. I actually feel that Daredevil is one of the best damn superhero movies period. Elektra on the other hand is a highly flawed movie that I happen to enjoy anyway.

Both movies had better theatrical versions than director's cuts for a variety of reasons I could babble about for ages.

[Sardaukar]

The Director's Cut to DD was great, but I think that if they had made one change to DD, it would have been superior...

Introduce the character of Elektra as a flashback, like in the comic books.
It would have 1. made us care more about her and 2. made their love affair seem more credible because they would have had longer to develop such a deep relationship.

[PWN3R]

Daredevil didn't work because 1) Ben Affleck is a horrible actor 2) Daredevil unlike Spiderman or the X-MEN is not an interesting character. The reason that Electra didn't work is because 1)the script was bad and 2) All you need to do is watch Alias if you need to see Jennifer Garner kick ass.



WTF!?

OOOOkkk...


I personally thought the movie was better than the first Spider-man...:up:

[Prognosticator]

cause they suck! (and don't give me the Daredevil director's cut angle b/c i have it, and it's ONLY 2 1/2 stars at best!)

[Darth Elektra]

To be honest I don't know anything about Black Widow to give you an opinion. Is she the Russian agent from the Avengers? If so, I do think Garner could carry off that role.

She has a cute little Russian accent that she has used on Alias from time to time, and she has great physical abilities to carry off action scenes believably IMO.

Yea,thats Black Widow, and yes she would rock as the BW,but like skorp said to much like alias for her to play.

[seamaharaj]

:spidey: i agree with that because i luved the directers cutDaredevil mostly because all the good stuff got edited out by Fox and replaced with Hollywood crap. That's why most like the director's cut.

[seamaharaj]

who r the villians that r gonna be in the spiderman 3 movie?

[Darth Elektra]

Well only the Sandman has been confirmed but probably the green goblin then at the end of the third the'll set up for the lizard and Venom for the 4th film.

[YJ1]

DD I like either version, but prefer th' DC.

Yes, this is one fan who thinks DD was very well done as well. Most fans aren't happy with Elektra because most think of it as wasted potential. Elektra isn't "Catwoman bad" but it's not half as good as it should've been. I liked the set up but the second half of that movie was poorly done.

Daredevil is absolutely my girlfriend's favourite superhero movie. She thought 'Begins' was good but prefers the other.

You're with a smart girl there. I enjoyed BB but I honestly think the DD DC was a better all around film.

[ancestrol sai]

Yes, this is one fan who thinks DD was very well done as well. Most fans aren't happy with Elektra because most think of it as wasted potential. Elektra isn't "Catwoman bad" but it's not half as good as it should've been. I liked the set up but the second half of that movie was poorly done.
You're with a smart girl there. I enjoyed BB but I honestly think the DD DC was a better all around film.
i thought catwoman was good:confused: :)

[M.O.Steel]

Daredevil is a film that over time people will appreciate and like a lot more. I didn't mind the regular version, but the DC definitely ups the ante, and makes the film that much better.

I'm a huge fan of Daredevil, and thought Ben did a great job in the role. :up:

I'd love to see a sequel.

I would love to see a take on the BORN AGAIN storyline, which is a lot darker than the first movie, which I think was pretty dark to begin with relative to the other comic movies. They could easily use that sotry, with Kingpin knowing who DD is, and usign all his powers to make matt suffer instead of going after DD. He also meets his mom, which could be a nice subplot.

[Rez]

DD entertained me, but everyone I know in person hated it. I've settled on it being pretty bad, but something that I enjoy.

Elektra... sucked. HORRIBLY.

[The Kid]

DD director's cut was a decent movie, better than the Holy OMG best movie ever!!11 spider-man 1 to me and I'll throw sm2 in there too since it's just retarded at times.

Ii even like it more than batman begins because begins had ****ty editing althouth DD has its share as well, it's not as bad.

I never saw elektra because there are no nude scenes I heard of

[Superman]

It's the PG13 rating? Fox 's campaign for the flims? Fox itself? Affleck? Garner?

That's all I wanted to know is why they don't sit well with the fans.Got me. I liked both of them. :confused:

[kirbyfan]

The Directors cut of DD is awesome, one of the best superhero movies ever made. I was never interested in Elektra in the first place, they should of concentrated on DD2.

[32CAGE]

Generally speaking the acting was poor.

[Sun_Down]

I liked DD, and it's good to see I'm not alone in that. I thought Affleck has a pretty good grasp of Matt's character, and even though some parts made me cringe, I still really enjoyed this movie. I thought it packed a good emotional punch and, atleast for me, touched a real nerve. I also really liked how they didn't overuse CGI like Spiderman. It was much more believable since they used mostly wire-work and when they did CGI, they lit/blocked it in a way that didn't look fake.

[marvel_boy]

the directors cut of daredevil was excellent! :daredevil:

[Rizor]

I personally find Daredevil to be an entertaining film. The Director's Cut helped to fill in some plot holes as well as add more to the characters. However, it also features some extraneous scenes. I guess there's a lot to nitpick about the film.

As far as characterization goes, Daredevil comes across as a flawed superhero, as he should be. I know some had problems with the fact that he murders, but I think it's good to know that the movie presents a Daredevil that is trying to discover who he is. By the end of the film, he becomes the character we know and love. One thing that I find admirable about the film is that it, at the very least, attempts to present a complex character and take him through a complete arc. I think Affleck does a pretty good job, but I do feel he seems awkward at times with his floppish red hair and all.

I like Elektra in the Daredevil film. I haven't been a big Elektra fan in the comics, so I'm somewhat unfamiliar with her. Of course, I know the comic and movie characters are pretty different. For what they tried to do with the story and where the character was, I think she's fairly well developed and Garner does a good job in the role.

Bullseye is a bit over the top. He's a pretty different character from the comics, but the psychopath part seems right. I believe before Frank Miller came along, Bullseye was just a frustrated villain. In the end, he's a menacing guy with little complexity and it's easy to see Farrel has fun with it.

The Kingpin isn't very well handled. You see a bit more of his ruthlessness in the Director's Cut, but he doesn't really come off as the powerful and menacing character he should be. Instead, he's kinda just a cut out cardboard character. Duncan does a decent job with what's there.

I've actually given the story a lot of thought. The origin is done fairly well despite some cheese. Then comes the muddling of the character's comic book origins. Especially with Elektra. You know the story. They met in college, father died, she left, came back an assassin, etc. What they did for the film was kinda compress all of that. They wanted the Elektra dynamic in there, and so they made Bullseye the killer and Kingpin the killer of Matt's dad. I don't know if I like this and it probably didn't sit too well for the fans. I think it works for the film though. Not only do you have everything connected, it also connects the film's villain with Matt's own quest for justice like what Burton's Batman film did. It ties itself together nicely, but too conveniently. While I would've liked to have seen the story of Matt & Elektra in full form, I think what the filmmakers did was a decent way of pulling it all together.

I like the love story. It's sweet and I feel it's the heart of the movie. The Matt/Elektra could've been done a different way, but in the film we got, it works in my opinion. In the end, I think they could have pushed the film a little darker, maybe gone in a different direction. It could've been a hard R and the action didn't have to be so choppy and at times cheesy. I'm happy with the final film, but there was also so much more it could've been.

As far as the Elektra film is concerned, I already mentioned I'm not very well versed in the character. I can only tell why I didn't like it. I basically checked it out as a curiosity. What I didn't like was the feel of the movie. It's not dark enough. I know when I first saw the trailer, the forest setting just turned me off of it. It could've been a fun and dark follow up to Daredevil, but the entire approach was completely in the wrong direction. I spent the whole time wondering when things would get interesting. It really never did. The villains and action were all too cartoony. And I hated the lame attempt to make Elektra interesting by giving her obsessive compulsive disorder! What the hell?! I like brooding characters, but she was just depressed for the whole thing.

[dutchmarvel]

I liked Daredevil and i think it is because i have nothing with Ben Afleck & Jennifer Lopez and i don´t hate Lopez. I think some people have much hate to Daredevil & Ben Afleck,because Lopez whas his wife when this movie whas made. Another point is that i haven´t read the comic or don´t get the change.

I liked Spider-Man because i have seen the some episode´s of the tv serie and heard more about it. As Fantastic Four,Daredevil whas new for me also.
I think i heard more from Batman,Spider-Man & Hulk. X-men & Hulk where unknown for me also,but lesser unknown for me then Daredevil. I think Daredevil,FT4 and some other name´s like Hell Boy,Irons First/Man,Captain America, are the moost unknown for me and not each comic is my gerne. Sorry,but no Blade,The Punisher,Ghost Rider,Constantine and Hell Boy for me.

I also whas surprised to see or heard that some villians are in other comic´s also,King Ping whas a suprise for me to see King Ping in Daredevil and thats because King Ping whas always from Spider-Man.

I haven´t seen the Directer Cut (Iam not a bif fan of DC) and i haven´t seen Elekta.

As with Hulk & Daredvil it is disapointed there don´t make a sequel,atleast for to meet them.
X-men delieverd not much also,but there making 2 sequels.

[Super_Ludacris]

I liked Daredevil a lot when it came but I dont think the hate was because of Bennifer, but that might have had something to do with. Looking back now it was a pretty mediocre film and it hasnt aged well. That playground scene is still cringing just thinking about it. BUT it was an enjoyable movie for me and the DVD of both the orginal and the DC are great

[Bullseye]

When I say 'Daredevil movies', I mean both Daredevil and the Elektra film.
Why were the Daredevil and Elektra film bad?

A few reasons why:
-Directors Cut of DD is better.
-Affleck not right for DD, Affleck was originally to play Bullseye.
-Too much cramed into the film.
-What the hell was up with the action scenes?

How should a Daredevil feature film be made next time around?

[w@llcrawler]

Let David Goyer write it and let Chris Nolan direct it.

[Darth Elektra]

Robert Rodriguez and Frank Miller should do it.

[Bullseye]

Eh, I like to see Nolan just stick with the Batman franchise.

[Kable24]

Elektra blew dog, but I like both versions of DD. The DC of DD is better than the theatrical.

[Batman]

Daredevil was good, I thought. Not the best, by any means, but I don't think it deserves as much heat as it gets.

Elektra, on the other hand...

[slipknotrocks]

I liked both Elektra(DC) and Daredevil(DC).


Just make the sequels darker.

[dpm07]

I liked both Elektra(DC) and Daredevil(DC).

Just make the sequels darker.

I agree with you. :up:

[Xybalba069]

ok, ppl...im a noobie here, but i really wanted to post here for a long time...i really and firmly along a few more friends are joining the messages boards to let our dissapointments be heard...or read, in this cases..

i really liked the DD movie, i have both versions...not so much the Elektra's...

i firmly believe the problem is very simple...

Hollywood is focused on making their movies be settled in a "realistic world" as if our beloved superheroes lived among us...that way they wont have to make too much effort on the classic costumes we are used to...

like DD's for example...i liked the costume...but not the mask...

Ben Affleck was ok,...in my opinion..he's tall and looked builted in the costume...

i really hated the BullsEye character...

but this is just me complaining...Hollywood doesn't care...at all...

[deemar325]

1.The director truthfully sucked, yeah he's a fan of the comic and all, but MSJ is a hack.

2.Fox the UPN of movie studios, the most controlling and they go for the quick buck opposed to actually trying to make quality films.

3.Rothman studio head and all around *******, he's a business man and has to make decisions that make the studio money. Yet the guy has no vision and let's potentially blockbuster and long lasting franchises fall by the wayside.

4.Ben Affleck totally miscast as DD, not once did I buy him as a guy who grew up in the ghetto of Hell's Kitchen. Also his fight scenes were horrible.

5.Annoying and overbearing 'MTV' altrock soundtrack and mediocre music score.

6.A over ambitous plot that tried to do to much and ending up taking it self to seriously when the lead actor (Affleck)was not of the caliber of actor to pull it off.

7.Overall sense of the cast not being into the roles or rather not fully commiting to them.

8.Second rate special effects, shoddy stunts and uneven fight scenes and wire work.

9.At no point did I believe the movie was in NewYork, it didn't feel like NY and it was very obvious that it was filmed in Los Angeles.

All around DD was a crapfest.

[Flame on!]

1.The director truthfully sucked, yeah he's a fan of the comic and all, but MSJ is a hack.

2.Fox the UPN of movie studios, the most controlling and they go for the quick buck opposed to actually trying to make quality films.

3.Rothman studio head and all around *******, he's a business man and has to make decisions that make the studio money. Yet the guy has no vision and let's potentially blockbuster and long lasting franchises fall by the wayside.

4.Ben Affleck totally miscast as DD, not once did I buy him as a guy who grew up in the ghetto of Hell's Kitchen. Also his fight scenes were horrible.

5.Annoying and overbearing 'MTV' altrock soundtrack and mediocre music score.

6.A over ambitous plot that tried to do to much and ending up taking it self to seriously when the lead actor (Affleck)was not of the caliber of actor to pull it off.

7.Overall sense of the cast not being into the roles or rather not fully commiting to them.

8.Second rate special effects, shoddy stunts and uneven fight scenes and wire work.

9.At no point did I believe the movie was in NewYork, it didn't feel like NY and it was very obvious that it was filmed in Los Angeles.

All around DD was a crapfest.
Pretty much true.

I think Affleck was okay, as his natural charisma warmed me to him. Obviously he's about as athletic as Marlon Brando and it shows in some of the action scenes. It would've required Matrix-esque training routines to make him anywhere near believable. I think MSJ and Afflecks commitment was there, but time, money, studio pressure all played a part. Farrell was there for the pay check, MCD was underused and Garner was overused. The stunts would've benfited from parkour-esuq realism instead of resorting to wire work. The soundtrack was wank.

[Mr. Socko]

I think MSJ did pretty good on DD, it was his first time directing a feature film. Daredevil theatrical release sucked because the studio wouldn't let MSJ have it his way and his cut. Thats why the DC was so much better.

Elektra sucked because it's a spin-off.

[Bullseye]

With the rumors of sequel for DD, there mention of making the films darker. Which I would like to see.

[DarKush]

I don' t think DD sucked. I liked the DC better than the theatrical, but the theatrical was a passable movie. Same for Elektra.

My issues with DD were:

1. Affleck-at first I thought he wasn't miscast, but when I looked back at it, I could see Matt Damon doing a much better job with the role. Plus, I couldn't stand Affleck's hair. Really hated the playground flirtation scene, and Affleck looked really uncoordinated in some of his fight/action scenes. Watching the Bourne movies, I see that Damon could've handled the action and acting scenes with more passion and believability.

2. Misuse of the Kingpin. Michael C. Duncan owned as the Kingpin. He should've been the central villian, no Bullseye in the first film at least. But he didn't really get a chance to shine.

3. Garner. I liked Jennifer Garner, but I didn't buy her as a Greek heiress/assassin. Perhaps I'm being stereotypical, but she didn't look Mediterranean enough for my taste. Perhaps picking someone with darker features, like Emmanuelle Vaughier would've worked. Or even Carrie Ann Moss, though she's pale, she has the dark hair. Even Jennifer Lopez looked more like Elektra than Garner. Now, could've you have imagined Bennifer in DD?

4. Too much crammed in one movie. Killing Elektra in the movie was a mistake. That should've been the second movie, with Bullseye being the main adversary. The first movie should've built up the relationship between Matt and Elektra. Doing an origin and that crucial DD storyline all in one movie were too much.

And the scene made DD look like such a punk. How could he be nearly unconscious one minute, or long enough for Elektra to get skewered, and then jumping across the skyline seconds later. Not only did he go on to defeat Bullseye injured, he also took out the Kingpin. No way-wasn't believable.

The costume was okay, but I agree with an earlier post about the mask. It just didn't work for me either.

[Bullseye]

I would hope that they re-make the costume for DD.

[skorponok]

Why is there a topic like this seemingly once a month?

[Darth Rockwell]

I'm watching the DC right now. I so don't get the hate. This movie isn't the greatest of the films but it sure as hell aint the worst. I'm glad that the rights are going back to marvel soon. Hopefully they will move foreard with DD2 or 3 depending on if you count Elektra as DD2.

[cookiva]

I cant think of anyone to play Murdock though. Every name i just cant stand. Its the same with Captain America. Either they cant act (Jason Lewis), or they dont look the part (Pitt, Damon) for Cap. DD is even harder....

[spidey-dude]

I liked DD and thought affleck was actually good as DD, i don't know why every1 hates the cgi scenes either theyr not that bad at all

[The Batman]

Found it decent....till I saw Batman Begins and realized DD couldve been much more complex and dramatic.

[Bishop2]

Found it decent....till I saw Batman Begins and realized DD couldve been much more complex and dramatic.

I actually thought both movies could've afforded to learn some things from one another. Batman Begins had stronger human drama and a more fully developed storyline thanks to its runtime. On the other hand, Daredevil had better-directed action sequences, a stronger sense of atmosphere to the city and a much better musical score. Then again, Batman Begins was smart enough not to incorporate a ton of contemporary songs that could seriously date the movie as time goes on, instead telling a timeless origin... but then again, Daredevil didn't give either of its villians the short-shrift by half-assing the background of their motives (Ra's) or their final confrontations (Scarecrow). Batman Begins kept a stronger foundation in reality and avoided obvious wire-fu, though, which was to be admired. But... well, you get the idea. I could do this seesaw act all day. The truth is, I love them both despite all of these gripes.

[Mr. Socko]

I thought the DD costume was pretty good.

[Bishop2]

I thought the DD costume was pretty good.

Oh yeah, it was perfect.

[the gael]

the DD DC is good, and much better than the theatrical.
Affleck was a good Matt Murdock, but had serious problem to play DD ( he isn't a martial art artist at all )
DD should have been batman begins, it had the potential, but the movie is still enjoyable.

As for Elektra, it sucked. The way Typhoid Mary ( her ann nocenti version was probably the best supervilainess of all time ) or Stone were butchered is infamous

[skorponok]

I thought the DD costume was pretty good.

It's really one of the more practical costumes...unbuttoned collar and all...(because seriously, you wear that thing closed all the time, you're going to be gagging constantly...)

[skorponok]

9.At no point did I believe the movie was in NewYork, it didn't feel like NY and it was very obvious that it was filmed in Los Angeles.

.

I've never once believed that, when watching the SPIDER-MAN films, that I was in New York (or queens, or...you get the idea). However, both DD and SPIDER-MAN did have some location shooting in NYC, despite all being primarily shot in LA.

[skorponok]

I cant think of anyone to play Murdock though. Every name i just cant stand. Its the same with Captain America. Either they cant act (Jason Lewis), or they dont look the part (Pitt, Damon) for Cap. DD is even harder....

Affleck actually looks like Frank Miller's DD.

[Bishop2]

Before they cast Affleck, I always (ironically) envisioned Matt Damon as Murdock. Of course, after the movie I was converted, but I still think Damon could've done it for sure.

[Darth Elektra]

Well I did notice that you could easily tell that they shot in LA not New York.

[kirbyfan]

As I posted earlier, I think the DC cut of Daredevil is one of the best superhero movies ever made!

I have absolutely no problem with Ben Affleck. I do agree that they didn't give the Kingpin enough backstory and screentime.

As for the action scenes, they were great imho, the DC cuts added footage shows even more of Daredevils fighting style, nothing wrong with it at all. I can't say the same for Batman Begins, some of the fight scenes in that movie absolutely sucked! I hope they get that right before they make the next one!

[Cyclops]

When I saw "Daredevil" in theatres, I enjoyed it. Second time, I didn't enjoy it quite so much. I saw alot of the flaws I didn't see before.

Then I received it on DVD... and this time around, I absolutely hated it.
"I need you like Ben Affleck needs acting school...
He was terrible in that film..."

Sure, this excerpt from the "End of an Act" song from "Team America: World Police"'s soundtrack was written about Pearl Harbor, but it applies to Daredevil too. I didn't see Matt Murdock. I saw Ben Affleck in Cyclops's shades. Garner was bad too. Elektra is supposed to be an exotic beauty, not a man-faced tv actress. They should have gotten someone who knows how to act on the big screen, and Garner did not leave that impression with me.

Bullseye and Foggy were the only highlights of the film in my opinion. Kingpin could have been good, but he was barely in the film.