Why do you like the Black Panther character?

[Dre Roughneck]

This came up in the movie thread, and got me thinking....


1. He's black
2. His powers aren't superhuman like Spiderman, Superman, the Hulk
3. He's the leader of a black nation that not only cuts itself off from countries outside of Africa, but pretty much doesn't want anything to do with "the rest" of the continent.
4. The fact that his becoming "The Black Panther" is because of his bloodline is kinda interesting also.

This list made me ask myself a serious question. Do I identify with the Black Panther character more because of his story, or more because of his skin tone?


If the Black Panther story were about about a Non-black king in another country...say in ....fictional china...would his stories hold the same appeal to me?

I don't think so.

So, in my case...a large part of my enjoyment of the black panther is due to his skin tone. His fairly limited abilities (compared to other comic super heroes) is another thing that I find favor with.


IMHO, I identify with BP because he's a powerful "black" man who plays a super hero that's strong mentally, yet not reliant on super human physical strength like the Hulk, Thor, Superman. As intelligent as Reed Richards (almost), as good a fighter as Daredevil (almost) and as rich as Tony Stark.

Only thing missing from a lot of what the comics have brought to the table has been the personal aspect of T'Challa. What does he truly feel about his heritage, his people, the women in his life.

Neither Hudlin or Priest touched on that enough for my liking, and when they did, I didn't really like their interpretation.

[deemar325]

The costume and his cool intellect. Plus the Dora malije is pimp!

[THANOSRULES]

gotta admit.. I liked the Black panther initially because of his costume...very cool..

[Varient]

Not gonna go there.

As long as he is "Less than" to the comic community he will be grudginly accepted.
Consider:
He can do more than Daredevil I'd dare say in a dustup he should win ten out of twelve fights.

Yet he has trouble with the redskull?

He has beat Iron man three times,... even with Tony doing his version of "Prep time"

Yet he gets hurt by Iron Fist?

He is considered an Equal by the Likes of Doom and Namor?

Yet is obviously excluded by a select group of movers/shakers which include stark, richards and strange?

He has an obvious code of conduct and acts like a king?

But Everytime he's written by others outside his comic he is an easily beaten follower w/o a tech-base which exceeds starks.
Now on Topic:

I like the Panther mostly because nothing about him is white generated.

He wasn't experimented on, he wasn't the lab-monkey for a well known white scientist, he wasn't a thief, or a criminal gone good, he was never a stereotype of how white America saw all or most BM.

Sorta like sync before they casually killed him.


Bottom line: he draws nothing with running with / behind white folk and that rubs alotta people the wrong way.
(U should read how some came on here and whined about a fictional blackman being able to beat captain america,.. or have a high tech base in a universe where everything else is apparently possible.)

I really don't see how they could do a movie about him correctly. There will be enough in the mix to corrupt the core of what the Panther is.


Peace.

[deemar325]

Not gonna go there.

As long as he is "Less than" to the comic community he will be grudginly accepted.
Consider:
He can do more than Daredevil I'd dare say in a dustup he should win ten out of twelve fights.

Yet he has trouble with the redskull?

He has beat Iron man three times,... even with Tony doing his version of "Prep time"

Yet he gets hurt by Iron Fist?

He is considered an Equal by the Likes of Doom and Namor?

Yet is obviously excluded by a select group of movers/shakers which include stark, richards and strange?

He has an obvious code of conduct and acts like a king?

But Everytime he's written by others outside his comic he is an easily beaten follower w/o a tech-base which exceeds starks.
Now on Topic:

I like the Panther mostly because nothing about him is white generated.

He wasn't experimented on, he wasn't the lab-monkey for a well known white scientist, he wasn't a thief, or a criminal gone good, he was never a stereotype of how white America saw all or most BM.

Sorta like sync before they casually killed him.


Bottom line: he draws nothing with running with / behind white folk and that rubs alotta people the wrong way.
(U should read how some came on here and whined about a fictional blackman being able to beat captain america,.. or have a high tech base in a universe where everything else is apparently possible.)

I really don't see how they could do a movie about him correctly. There will be enough in the mix to corrupt the core of what the Panther is.


Peace.

Son! you rock!! :up: :up: Straight-up you read my mind in a deep way.

[Cyclops]

His name is entirely stupid though when you think about it.

There are no panthers in Africa, let alone black ones.

[Purple Man]

I like him cause he's black.

And if he were white I wouldn't like him.

Sounds kinda umm, racist?

Oh wait, black people can't be legally racist against white people.

How do you feel about blonde hair, blue eyed, Cracker America?

You wanna know why I like the Purple Man? Not because he's a good character and has cool powers. It's because he's Purple.

It's been too long that the purple peoples' represenative in comics has been teamed up on by the whites (Daredevil) and blacks (Luke Cage)

Us purples are the real minority.

All my purple brothers need to represent!

[roach]

Black Panther is a better fighter than Daredevil(he beat Cap)
He is as smart as Richards(the Quinjets are his design)
He is also richer than Stark.

He is not the stereotypical angry black male(try to find one who isnt in comics).

He is the first Black Superhero.....and his name predates the Black Panther Party


The black panther is the common name for a black specimen (a genetic variant) of several species of cats. Zoologically, a panther is the same as a leopard, while the term Panthera describes the whole family of big cats. But, in North America, the term panther is also used for puma. In South America it could also mean a jaguar. Elsewhere in the world it refers to leopard (originally individual animals with longer tails were deemed panthers and others were leopards; it is a common misconception that panther means a melanistic individual).
Black Leopard
These are the most common form of black panther in captivity and have been selectively bred for decades as exhibits or exotic pets (this inbreeding for the sake of appearance has adversely affected temperament). They are smaller and more lightly built than jaguars. The spotted pattern is still visible on black leopards, especially from certain angles where the effects is of printed silk.

Black leopards are reported from moist densely-forested areas in south-western China, Burma, Assam and Nepal; from Travancore and other parts of southern India and are said to be common in Java and the southern part of the Malay peninsula where they may be more numerous than spotted leopards. They are less common in tropical Africa, but have been reported from Ethiopia (formerly Abyssinia), the forests of Mount Kenya and the Aberdares. One was recorded by Peter Turnbull-Kemp in the equatorial forest of Cameroon.

[deemar325]

His name is entirely stupid though when you think about it.

There are no panthers in Africa, let alone black ones.

Not true my friend, some Leopards in Africa have an recessive gene that causes their fur to become all black it's rare, but it happens.

:up:

[deemar325]

I like him cause he's black.

And if he were white I wouldn't like him.

Sounds kinda umm, racist?

Oh wait, black people can't be legally racist against white people.

How do you feel about blonde hair, blue eyed, Cracker America?

You wanna know why I like the Purple Man? Not because he's a good character and has cool powers. It's because he's Purple.

It's been too long that the purple peoples' represenative in comics has been teamed up on by the whites (Daredevil) and blacks (Luke Cage)

Us purples are the real minority.

All my purple brothers need to represent!


Heh, your looking right idiotic.

[deemar325]

Black Panther is a better fighter than Daredevil(he beat Cap)
He is as smart as Richards(the Quinjets are his design)
He is also richer than Stark.

He is not the stereotypical angry black male(try to find one who isnt in comics).

He is the first Black Superhero.....and his name predates the Black Panther Party


The black panther is the common name for a black specimen (a genetic variant) of several species of cats. Zoologically, a panther is the same as a leopard, while the term Panthera describes the whole family of big cats. But, in North America, the term panther is also used for puma. In South America it could also mean a jaguar. Elsewhere in the world it refers to leopard (originally individual animals with longer tails were deemed panthers and others were leopards; it is a common misconception that panther means a melanistic individual).
Black Leopard
These are the most common form of black panther in captivity and have been selectively bred for decades as exhibits or exotic pets (this inbreeding for the sake of appearance has adversely affected temperament). They are smaller and more lightly built than jaguars. The spotted pattern is still visible on black leopards, especially from certain angles where the effects is of printed silk.

Black leopards are reported from moist densely-forested areas in south-western China, Burma, Assam and Nepal; from Travancore and other parts of southern India and are said to be common in Java and the southern part of the Malay peninsula where they may be more numerous than spotted leopards. They are less common in tropical Africa, but have been reported from Ethiopia (formerly Abyssinia), the forests of Mount Kenya and the Aberdares. One was recorded by Peter Turnbull-Kemp in the equatorial forest of Cameroon.

BOO YA!:up:

[32CAGE]

gotta admit.. I liked the Black panther initially because of his costume...very cool..


I must confess. The costume caught me too.

[Cyclops]

Not true my friend, some Leopards in Africa have an recessive gene that causes their fur to become all black it's rare, but it happens.

:up:

But they are Leopards, not technically Panthers. Leopard is more specific than Panther.

[Kotagg]

Purple Man, you are indeed presenting yourself as somewhat ignorant in your post. He wasn't saying he disliked white heroes; simply that he could identify more with black ones. How could that possibly be seen as wrong?

I identify with people whom have things in common with me. It's much more likely that I will be comfortable talking with a latino cop than a chinese one. That's not to say that I dislike chinese people or that I don't have any chinese friends...it's just that people will always more easily identify with someone or something they are familiar with. It's how the human mind works.

[Marcdachamp]

Two words: Red. Zone.:up:

[jaydawg]

Originally I liked what he represented that who he really was. I respected that he was the first serious black hero out there. I admit, that was one of the key things I like about him, because as weird as it sounds, I want diversity out there. I want to see a black man shown a positive light. But then, I actually read about him. And the stories themselves were phenominal. Christopher Priest is what really got me into the character. He kicks all kinds of ass. Unlike a certain Hudlin, he made me see T'Challa as more than a symbol, but a real character. So really, I like Black Panther because Priest showed me that he is a great and very unique character.

[roach]

But they are Leopards, not technically Panthers. Leopard is more specific than Panther.

read my post...there isnt an actual animal called a panther.

[Anubis]

Originally I liked him because he was black and there are so few good black characters in comics. I also grew to love the character due to Priests run on the book. He's gone from a character I respected to probally my favorite overall.

[comicbookmaster]

He's a strong black man!!!
leader of his own nation
able to get storm
more richer than iron-man, and an avenger!!
but the most under rated superhero in the marvel universe next to blade.

[Roughneck]

Who the **** is Dre Roughneck?



And I like him cause Priest wrote him awesomly. He doesn't trust anybody and he Joined the Avengers to spy on them.

[JewishHobbit]

I actually dont' have a lot of like toward Black Panther. I have nothing against him, but he just never interested me.

[Silverstein]

Black Panther and Storm are some of the few black heroes who are black and are from africa but don't stress that point until it kills you. They aren't angry or racist or whatever. They're cool and were doing their own thing for years.

Storm for example is part of the team. No one EVER, without having some kind of prejudice or racist thought, has mentioned Storm as the "token black" character. She was just as valueable as Wolverine or Cyclops or Jean. Just a memorable as well. That's why I like her. And she's drawn looking awesome. They don't give her piggish looks because she's black. Which actually happens a lot..Storm is actually hot.

But anyway..BP rocks. Because of all of his skills and talents. And for what he stands for in both the comics and in our world is amazing. He is a testament to the idea that a character of color can be awesome without being a stereotype or a noticeable minority.


You don't think Captain America and think race. You don't look at Spider-man or Daredevil and think of race. But why is it that with most black characters you think "oh they're black"? Ask yourselves where the writers minds are.



I still think there should be more asian heroes, and ones that aren't all about martial arts either. Jubilee is cool, but where is she? Is she even in Ultimate X-men? Namor is like asian or something but that's more of the artist just drawing him weird then them trying to actually make him asian I think.

Nah, dude. Black characters are way more prominent than asian ones.

[MaskedManJRK]

Black Panther and Storm are some of the few black heroes who are black and are from africa but don't stress that point until it kills you. They aren't angry or racist or whatever. They're cool and were doing their own thing for years.

Storm for example is part of the team. No one EVER, without having some kind of prejudice or racist thought, has mentioned Storm as the "token black" character. She was just as valueable as Wolverine or Cyclops or Jean. Just a memorable as well. That's why I like her. And she's drawn looking awesome. They don't give her piggish looks because she's black. Which actually happens a lot..Storm is actually hot.

But anyway..BP rocks. Because of all of his skills and talents. And for what he stands for in both the comics and in our world is amazing. He is a testament to the idea that a character of color can be awesome without being a stereotype or a noticeable minority.


You don't think Captain America and think race. You don't look at Spider-man or Daredevil and think of race. But why is it that with most black characters you think "oh they're black"? Ask yourselves where the writers minds are.



I still think there should be more asian heroes, and ones that aren't all about martial arts either. Jubilee is cool, but where is she? Is she even in Ultimate X-men? Namor is like asian or something but that's more of the artist just drawing him weird then them trying to actually make him asian I think.

Nah, dude. Black characters are way more prominent than asian ones.

Wait...Namor's Asian? :confused:

As for BP, I agree. What makes him cool (and apparently what Hudlin looked past in the memo) is that he's a strong black character, but he doesn't force his race down your throat and doesn't come out with an agenda.

[Moon_Knight]

Being black myself; it's great to see a great black hero from the motherland.

[XwolverineX]

Because he has a freakin' cool Marvel Legends figure. I know I know, ain't th' best of reasons, but what can I say?

[GoldenAgeHero]

i really dont care about black panther, ive tried reading preists run, but tchalla just comes off as an a$$hole to me. i would like to know him, but so far nothing yet. i thought hudlin's run was going to be greqat, boy was i wrong about that one, so i dropped the damn book and sold all the issues i had of it.


i also dont like the fact he's more technology advanced than tony stark, which makes no sense to me. why wont he help africa become a more independant nation, if he's so technologically advanced where's his company, where are the drugs that are suppose to help this aids epidemic(was this covered in preists run?). at least with stark he's doing something better with his tech, giving it to shield, finding better ways at implementing his technology. these are elements i want to see covered in a black panther book, i want more of a business man. plus i think the reason they made tchalla smarter then stark was because of some politically correct BS, marvel needed to be more diverse and play favor to the black comic buyers so they had black panther smarter then the white man:rolleyes: no offense, i just dont think T'Challa is'nt as smart as tony. maybe 10 points less. but in think stark is a true genius. btw someone said he has no superhuman abilities, doesnt he have heightened senses and increased stregnth?

[thor87]

Wait...Namor's Asian? :confused:

As for BP, I agree. What makes him cool (and apparently what Hudlin looked past in the memo) is that he's a strong black character, but he doesn't force his race down your throat and doesn't come out with an agenda.

Namor isnt even human, hes not asian. Well hes part human, but i think the reason why he has the facial appearence that he has is because of his atlantean backround.

You know it pretty racist to like a character for his race. Black Panther is cool if he cant beat cap he is to be respected. But to say you like a character because of the color of his skin thats just provincial.

[Varient]

(sad smile)

When you consider how many "Minority" heroes there are, And how many (comic readers) do have a need to say that "that" hero does nothing for them, in the worst case they try to make a case against the hero for being redundant, or under-powered by their standards.

You can treasure A Black Panther, or a Shang Chi,.. or even a Puck who represents something other than a white, english-speaking, completly predictable, middle of the road, one of six archtypes, hero.

There are not enough - so the Panther has always been a breath of fresh air for me.

Jeeez,... The Watcher is a bald Whiteguy, Galactus is a Bald White guy, in a universe of aliens the majority of "humanoids" are "white with feathers, white with fur, white with stereotypical superscience living on a moon in the outer solar system.

It still rubs me the wrong way that all these variations are "okay" yet there was a strong blatent refusal to suspend belief, (notice my words here), to accept that a black hero could come from an advanced civilization and run with the big dogs.

Tsk - up to that point I'd really thought comic readers were different.

[GoldenAgeHero]

(sad smile)

When you consider how many "Minority" heroes there are, And how many (comic readers) do have a need to say that "that" hero does nothing for them, in the worst case they try to make a case against the hero for being redundant, or under-powered by their standards.

You can treasure A Black Panther, or a Shang Chi,.. or even a Puck who represents something other than a white, english-speaking, completly predictable, middle of the road, one of six archtypes, hero.

There are not enough - so the Panther has always been a breath of fresh air for me.

Jeeez,... The Watcher is a bald Whiteguy, Galactus is a Bald White guy, in a universe of aliens the majority of "humanoids" are "white with feathers, white with fur, white with stereotypical superscience living on a moon in the outer solar system.

It still rubs me the wrong way that all these variations are "okay" yet there was a strong blatent refusal to suspend belief, (notice my words here), to accept that a black hero could come from an advanced civilization and run with the big dogs.

Tsk - up to that point I'd really thought comic readers were different.

are you responding to me? when you consider that the civilization is based in africa, yes it hard for me to believe, i mean seriously come on, theres no one country in africa thats technologically advanced(correct me if im wrong), so you can't really blame readers for thier opinion. it wouldve been better if black panther was a genius that helped developed his nation but he didnt it was all already there. i dunno just seems ridiculous to me. to me it doesnt look like he earned the right to run with the big dogs, he comes off as a oh look at me, my nation is better than yours now let me join your avengers. the writers went too much out of thier way to try to make him look good(yes you can say the same shnit for batman) he built the quinjets, ok, but im sure tony stark couldve built them also. or hank pym himself couldve built one. but they played it more towards the black guy.
im Black also, just incase yiou were about to call me a racist, but im just going by what ive read so far. i want to see T'challa as a stark equivalent and business man(than hey im a king bow before me), but i think tony has more brains and imagination(per say) then black panther. i also find it hard to belive he's like the only monarch to exist where almost all monarchs have been replaced by a democracy. this is also an issue i would like future books to cover.

[Anubis]

Nah, just makes you an Uncle Tom. :) I kid, I kid.

[Varient]

are you responding to me? when you consider that the civilization is based in africa, yes it hard for me to believe, i mean seriously come on, theres no one country in africa thats technologically advanced(correct me if im wrong), so you can't really blame readers for thier opinion. it wouldve been better if black panther was a genius that helped developed his nation but he didnt it was all already there. i dunno just seems ridiculous to me. to me it doesnt look like he earned the right to run with the big dogs, he comes off as a oh look at me, my nation is better than yours now let me join your avengers. the writers went too much out of thier way to try to make him look good(yes you can say the same shnit for batman) he built the quinjets, ok, but im sure tony stark couldve built them also. or hank pym himself couldve built one. but they played it more towards the black guy.
im Black also, just incase yiou were about to call me a racist, but im just going by what ive read so far. i want to see T'challa as a stark equivalent and business man(than hey im a king bow before me), but i think tony has more brains and imagination(per say) then black panther. i also find it hard to belive he's like the only monarch to exist where almost all monarchs have been replaced by a democracy. this is also an issue i would like future books to cover.
SMH @ U.

He has always been written in Canon as he is. Someone who on first outing handled the fantastic four. Who was raised in / at a higher tech base than what is "expected" for blacks ANYWHERE.

Here it is 2006,.. yet With grey in my beard I still have to deal with blunt unreasoning rudeness from white people who just can't accept that I have the knowledge to take a computer down to the component level,.. do repairs at the circuitboard level, read schematics and therefore be able to diag and fix almost any electronic device.


By rudeness it follows the same routine:
1. Suprise that I know more than they do about moving a mouse.
2. Disbelief that I could grok their problem with the device.
3. Rudeness in interrupting me in/at my job to submit a resume or at least a listing of all the schools I have been to before they then get in the way and ask (for them) pointed questions about what I'm doing.
4. The continuous voicing of "mild" disbelief that "I know so much" about computers as I fix it.

Even after I've done what I was there for I then have to waste time listening to the back-handed compliments, the the dimmer ones trying to find SOMETHING that allows them to keep their current world view.

"Aha! you were raised by white parents as part of a nurture / nature experiment?"

"Oh,... You were part of a special intercity chemical study?"

"So,.. you read alot?"

Only the last is true,... but they just can't get past the block.

Just like YOU.
You can have white guys in The Savage Land running around with sabertoothed cats among dinosaurs among the ruins of a super civilization,... but CAN'T accept the concept of a nation in Africa isolating itself and becoming more advanced than the rest of Humanity.

(Of course the Zulu's were doing just that - the english and the dutch got their feelings hurt for a bit - the greatest thing that happened for them was the destruction of the zulu from the inside.)

You can accept a teen being bright enough using the US education system to devise in the span of weeks an electromechanical device that shears a liquid polomer at high pressure that becomes an extremely strong "adhesive solid", yet can't accept a black Prince SENT to the premier schools of the world, privy to the GENERATIONS of technology developed around a metal that is exclusive to his peoples use being able to develop ANYTHING better than some guy who was a designer of weapons ONLY on the onset?


You can accept any form of advanced civilization as long as it's not located in Africa?

Holy spit.

[Anubis]

Nah, just makes you an Uncle Tom. :) I kid, I kid.

No I wasn't

[GoldenAgeHero]

SMH @ U.

He has always been written in Canon as he is. Someone who on first outing handled the fantastic four. Who was raised in / at a higher tech base than what is "expected" for blacks ANYWHERE.

Here it is 2006,.. yet With grey in my beard I still have to deal with blunt unreasoning rudeness from white people who just can't accept that I have the knowledge to take a computer down to the component level,.. do repairs at the circuitboard level, read schematics and therefore be able to diag and fix almost any electronic device.


By rudeness it follows the same routine:
1. Suprise that I know more than they do about moving a mouse.
2. Disbelief that I could grok their problem with the device.
3. Rudeness in interrupting me in/at my job to submit a resume or at least a listing of all the schools I have been to before they then get in the way and ask (for them) pointed questions about what I'm doing.
4. The continuous voicing of "mild" disbelief that "I know so much" about computers as I fix it.

Even after I've done what I was there for I then have to waste time listening to the back-handed compliments, the the dimmer ones trying to find SOMETHING that allows them to keep their current world view.

"Aha! you were raised by white parents as part of a nurture / nature experiment?"

"Oh,... You were part of a special intercity chemical study?"

"So,.. you read alot?"

Only the last is true,... but they just can't get past the block.

Just like YOU.
You can have white guys in The Savage Land running around with sabertoothed cats among dinosaurs among the ruins of a super civilization,... but CAN'T accept the concept of a nation in Africa isolating itself and becoming more advanced than the rest of Humanity.

(Of course the Zulu's were doing just that - the english and the dutch got their feelings hurt for a bit - the greatest thing that happened for them was the destruction of the zulu from the inside.)

You can accept a teen being bright enough using the US education system to devise in the span of weeks an electromechanical device that shears a liquid polomer at high pressure that becomes an extremely strong "adhesive solid", yet can't accept a black Prince SENT to the premier schools of the world, privy to the GENERATIONS of technology developed around a metal that is exclusive to his peoples use being able to develop ANYTHING better than some guy who was a designer of weapons ONLY on the onset?


You can accept any form of advanced civilization as long as it's not located in Africa?

Holy spit.

lmao looks like i touched a nerve, calm down man. what i said was'nt meant to be percieved in a derorgatory manner, im sorry that you got that impression. and your right africa is'nt the lease technologically advanced nation out there(that part is very much true). but africa is no where near the level of the united states or japan. i never said black panther couldnt be smart or a genius, i was just reffering to the civilization he's in, seriously a country whose isloated themselves from the rest of humanity is able to become more advanced then other countries? BS, that would mean the aboreginies that still exist today off the coast of australia and some others can become technology advanced? no. im sorry that like saying a kid can be locked up in a room with no education whatsoever no contact with the outside world is gonna come out in 20 years with an IQ of 190. evolutuion and econimics has tought us no nation can be keep itself isolated and expect to be bustling in business.

the whole metal argument is preposterous too, out off all the metals in the world one metal is gonna help them become this super uber important tech nation, whatever. of course it has it's very special properties, but all metals does, but a metal can't be the basis for every tech out there. we have plastic, does that mean we can make a rocket and it's components all out of plastic? no.

I accept a black prince going off to the best schools money can by, hell bruce wayne did it, so why would i think opposite of Bp?. and the part where you bought up BP against the FF is ridicuous also, even batman had his problems when he first started, like i said it's all about hyping up a black character to run down the whities( to show a black character can just out do a white chracter better(which is true, depending on whose well qualified), but that situation was racially sided, hell if people can complain about batman going up agaisnt martians and etc, when he's only human. why cant BP be hold tot he same standards as batman. All BS writing.

[GoldenAgeHero]

No I wasn't

yes'm boss:up:

[Varient]

lmao looks like i touched a nerve, calm down man. what i said was'nt meant to be percieved in a derorgatory manner, im sorry that you got that impression. and your right africa is'nt the lease technologically advanced nation out there(that part is very much true). but africa is no where near the level of the united states or japan. i never said black panther couldnt be smart or a genius, i was just reffering to the civilization he's in, seriously a country whose isloated themselves from the rest of humanity is able to become more advanced then other countries? BS, that would mean the aboreginies that still exist today off the coast of australia and some others can become technology advanced? no. im sorry that like saying a kid can be locked up in a room with no education whatsoever no contact with the outside world is gonna come out in 20 years with an IQ of 190. evolutuion and econimics has tought us no nation can be keep itself isolated and expect to be bustling in business.

the whole metal argument is preposterous too, out off all the metals in the world one metal is gonna help them become this super uber important tech nation, whatever. of course it has it's very special properties, but all metals does, but a metal can't be the basis for every tech out there. we have plastic, does that mean we can make a rocket and it's components all out of plastic? no.

I accept a black prince going off to the best schools money can by, hell bruce wayne did it, so why would i think opposite of Bp?. and the part where you bought up BP against the FF is ridicuous also, even batman had his problems when he first started, like i said it's all about hyping up a black character to run down the whities( to show a black character can just out do a white chracter better(which is true, depending on whose well qualified), but that situation was racially sided, hell if people can complain about batman going up agaisnt martians and etc, when he's only human. why cant BP be hold tot he same standards as batman. All BS writing.

So,.... the Eternals, The Lemurians,...the Inhumans, Kun'Lun, ALL isolated their civilizations and became greater for it,.... But Wakanda can't/couldn't?
Your logic is faulty.

The development of BRONZE made an entire civilization whoop on the rest of the world,... yet blacks in Africa couldn't do similar with a wondermetal?
Your Bias is showing.

In ref to the FF,.. take it up with Stan Lee,... I just read it. I notice though that I can think of too many cases where the "hero" should've got his head handed to him EVERYTIME based on powerlevels but for the Tarzan effect.

Rich Rider and the Spinx would be a great example.





Sigh.

[Varient]

*Note*
I don't recall calling ANYONE a racist on SHH,...
(EVER),so why did you expect me to,... and was quick to tell me that "you were black" to supposidly defuse the opertunity to lable you.

[thor87]

well let see, africa, i personnaly can accept that, but look at the situation in africa, first with colonization from England, France, Spain, Portugal, the Dutch and Germany, when the europeans got thier, well, Africa wasnt anywhere as technologically advanced as Europe or the East, superior technology is what got Africa conquered, then the Dutch and the Portugiuse buy us from our tribes men, we love to pin slavery all the whites, but the spanish and our people are to blame as well, then aids ravaging the landscape, ebola flaring up every so often, the arabs initiating ethinic cleansing in sudan (thats pretty recent). Its not that africa could not seperate itself from the rest of the world and become more advanced, its just that africa has been held back for so long by natural and unnatural causes that its hard to believe that all of the sudden they would emerge as the forerunners in new world technologie.

[GNR]

I totally dug Hudlin's year 1 tale (Who Is The Panther?).It really cemented T'Challa,and Wakanda, as a serious force not to be facked with.

I'm getting sick of all these X-junkies trashing BP just because it showed Storm frying a terrorist in #14.Seriously,just shut up and go read Blood of Apocalypse.

[Varient]

well let see, africa, i personnaly can accept that, but look at the situation in africa, first with colonization from England, France, Spain, Portugal, the Dutch and Germany, when the europeans got thier, well, Africa wasnt anywhere as technologically advanced as Europe or the East, superior technology is what got Africa conquered, then the Dutch and the Portugiuse buy us from our tribes men, we love to pin slavery all the whites, but the spanish and our people are to blame as well, then aids ravaging the landscape, ebola flaring up every so often, the arabs initiating ethinic cleansing in sudan (thats pretty recent). Its not that africa could not seperate itself from the rest of the world and become more advanced, its just that africa has been held back for so long by natural and unnatural causes that its hard to believe that all of the sudden they would emerge as the forerunners in new world technologie.

scary.

[Genesis 1.0]

Black Panther is a better fighter than Daredevil(he beat Cap)
He is as smart as Richards(the Quinjets are his design)
He is also richer than Stark.

He is not the stereotypical angry black male(try to find one who isnt in comics).

He is the first Black Superhero.....and his name predates the Black Panther Party

Yeah, that about sums it up for me. Black Panther still has all these elements and as of yet remains untapped of all that talent on a regular basis, or in a more mainstream light. He's basically Doom's good twin.:up:

[deemar325]

i really dont care about black panther, ive tried reading preists run, but tchalla just comes off as an a$$hole to me. i would like to know him, but so far nothing yet. i thought hudlin's run was going to be greqat, boy was i wrong about that one, so i dropped the damn book and sold all the issues i had of it.


i also dont like the fact he's more technology advanced than tony stark, which makes no sense to me. why wont he help africa become a more independant nation, if he's so technologically advanced where's his company, where are the drugs that are suppose to help this aids epidemic(was this covered in preists run?). at least with stark he's doing something better with his tech, giving it to shield, finding better ways at implementing his technology. these are elements i want to see covered in a black panther book, i want more of a business man. plus i think the reason they made tchalla smarter then stark was because of some politically correct BS, marvel needed to be more diverse and play favor to the black comic buyers so they had black panther smarter then the white man:rolleyes: no offense, i just dont think T'Challa is'nt as smart as tony. maybe 10 points less. but in think stark is a true genius. btw someone said he has no superhuman abilities, doesnt he have heightened senses and increased stregnth?


From his first appearance in FF, Black Panther has been shown as right up there with Tony and a few points behind Reed. Read the books know the history before making unfounded judgements and yes BP has addressed the plight of Africa and his reasons for sending aid or not to his neighbors.

Priest covered that pretty throughly. Oh and BP constantly takes in refugees and deals with the politcal crap that comes with it.

:up:

[deemar325]

(sad smile)

When you consider how many "Minority" heroes there are, And how many (comic readers) do have a need to say that "that" hero does nothing for them, in the worst case they try to make a case against the hero for being redundant, or under-powered by their standards.

You can treasure A Black Panther, or a Shang Chi,.. or even a Puck who represents something other than a white, english-speaking, completly predictable, middle of the road, one of six archtypes, hero.

There are not enough - so the Panther has always been a breath of fresh air for me.

Jeeez,... The Watcher is a bald Whiteguy, Galactus is a Bald White guy, in a universe of aliens the majority of "humanoids" are "white with feathers, white with fur, white with stereotypical superscience living on a moon in the outer solar system.

It still rubs me the wrong way that all these variations are "okay" yet there was a strong blatent refusal to suspend belief, (notice my words here), to accept that a black hero could come from an advanced civilization and run with the big dogs.

Tsk - up to that point I'd really thought comic readers were different.

That always bothered me also, so Superman being a Krytonian (Alien) happens to look like a White farm boy from kansas? Yet every comic fan has no issue with it, yet I bet if Supes so happened to look black people would loose their minds, let alone just a random Krytonian who looked Black in features.

Lets run it down, Silver Surfer (originaly a white bald Alien) Galactus, the Kree, Shi'ar, Krtonians, Rannians etc...Yet let a black guy be a King of a highly advanced African Nation in a fictional setting then , "oh no!! that can't happen it's not realistic!!" "He's not a thug?" "Wheres the white hero to be his patner/handler?"

Or a Asian guy can be the Martial Artist or Evil Villian, yet he can be a romantic lead or regular guy? Yet a Alien from 10,000 light years away so happens to be white is cool, it's a none issue.

[deemar325]

(sad smile)

When you consider how many "Minority" heroes there are, And how many (comic readers) do have a need to say that "that" hero does nothing for them, in the worst case they try to make a case against the hero for being redundant, or under-powered by their standards.

You can treasure A Black Panther, or a Shang Chi,.. or even a Puck who represents something other than a white, english-speaking, completly predictable, middle of the road, one of six archtypes, hero.

There are not enough - so the Panther has always been a breath of fresh air for me.

Jeeez,... The Watcher is a bald Whiteguy, Galactus is a Bald White guy, in a universe of aliens the majority of "humanoids" are "white with feathers, white with fur, white with stereotypical superscience living on a moon in the outer solar system.

It still rubs me the wrong way that all these variations are "okay" yet there was a strong blatent refusal to suspend belief, (notice my words here), to accept that a black hero could come from an advanced civilization and run with the big dogs.

Tsk - up to that point I'd really thought comic readers were different.

That always bothered me also, so Superman being a Krytonian (Alien) happens to look like a White farm boy from kansas? Yet every comic fan has no issue with it, yet I bet if Supes so happened to look black people would loose their minds, let alone just a random Krytonian who looked Black in features.

Lets run it down, Silver Surfer (originaly a white bald Alien) Galactus, the Kree, Shi'ar, Krtonians, Rannians etc...Yet let a black guy be a King of a highly advanced African Nation in a fictional setting then , "oh no!! that can't happen it's not realistic!!" "He's not a thug?" "Wheres the white hero to be his patner/handler?"

Or a Asian guy can be the Martial Artist or Evil Villian, yet he can be a romantic lead or regular guy? Yet a Alien from 10,000 light years away so happens to be white is cool, it's a none issue.

[deemar325]

yes'm boss:up:

That's your problem right there.

May as well do a dance for them while your at it.

[deemar325]

*Note*
I don't recall calling ANYONE a racist on SHH,...
(EVER),so why did you expect me to,... and was quick to tell me that "you were black" to supposidly defuse the opertunity to lable you.

I honestly don't think GoldenAge is black.

From what I've observed from him he's most definately 'other'.


That or Wayne Brady.

[Varient]

I honestly don't think GoldenAge is black.

From what I've observed from him he's most definately 'other'.


That or Wayne Brady.
(chuckle)

Don't know any blacks who say something basic that even in your worse nightmare that something like Wakanda couldn't happen anywhere including the Marvel Universe.


And then say:

And I'm black too - so there.


I just don't know anyone who could say that about their ethnic origin,.. even in a fantasy setting.

[deemar325]

(chuckle)

Don't know any blacks who say something basic that even in your worse nightmare that something like Wakanda couldn't happen anywhere including the Marvel Universe.


And then say:

And I'm black too - so there.


I just don't know anyone who could say that about their ethnic origin,.. even in a fantasy setting.

From what I've seen from this guy GA, he's most definately not black. In no way do I sense that from him, you can sense it. Anubis feels black, you feel black not Golden Age.

My 'Negro sense' was tingling.

[The Batman]

Because he's a respectable Black Superhero, and as a black guy myself, you have no idea how much that means to me. Like someone said, he wasnt some former criminal, or some angry guy, or some guy living in the poor ass projects. He's the king of his own country. He can own the likes of Iron Man and Captain America. He's a genius and a good fighter. And his cotume is awesome. He's the first and greatrest black superhero in comics, IMO.

[Varient]

From what I've seen from this guy GA, he's most definately not black. In no way do I sense that from him, you can sense it. Anubis feels black, you feel black not Golden Age.

My 'Negro sense' was tingling.


LOL

[GNR]

Comparing Hudlin and Priest's take on BP,during Priest's run,I've read a couple issues,T'Challa comes off as a real prick for some reason,like a badass.Hudlin tends to still give him that noble man of character and royalty feel but at the same time makes him like an average joe.

[deemar325]

Because he's a respectable Black Superhero, and as a black guy myself, you have no idea how much that means to me. Like someone said, he wasnt some former criminal, or some angry guy, or some guy living in the poor ass projects. He's the king of his own country. He can own the likes of Iron Man and Captain America. He's a genius and a good fighter. And his cotume is awesome. He's the first and greatrest black superhero in comics, IMO.

Ditto to that man.:up:

[deemar325]

Comparing Hudlin and Priest's take on BP,during Priest's run,I've read a couple issues,T'Challa comes off as a real prick for some reason,like a badass.Hudlin tends to still give him that noble man of character and royalty feel but at the same time makes him like an average joe.

I agree with that, Hudlin's Panther is more Puffy to Priest's Panther who's more Mandela.

:up:

[GoldenAgeHero]

From what I've seen from this guy GA, he's most definately not black. In no way do I sense that from him, you can sense it. Anubis feels black, you feel black not Golden Age.

My 'Negro sense' was tingling.

ahh I've run across your type before, i dont feel black enough for ya, hunh? nice to know you guys just contradicted everything you were saying about BP not being the stereotypical black male. good job deemar!:up::rolleyes: now im gonna have to start acting ghetto to show my blackness.

btw, if the guy is gonna call me an uncle tom i think i had the right to reply yes'm boss (in a sarcastic manner of course).

[GNR]

I agree with that, Hudlin's Panther is more Puffy to Priest's Panther who's more Mandela.

:up:

No,no.Sure Hudlin is writing him more down to earth,but I wouldn't compare his character to Puffy.Hudlin himself took a crack at Puffy and other in BP #10.Hudlin still writes him like royalty,but not arrogant.By my average joe comment,I was meaning to say more down to earth.

[roach]

i actually prefer Priest's take than Hudlin's

[RockSP]

i also dont like the fact he's more technology advanced than tony stark, which makes no sense to me. why wont he help africa become a more independant nation, if he's so technologically advanced where's his company, where are the drugs that are suppose to help this aids epidemic(was this covered in preists run?). at least with stark he's doing something better with his tech, giving it to shield, finding better ways at implementing his technology. these are elements i want to see covered in a black panther book, i want more of a business man.

First off Africa is a continent not a nation. Second...what are Reed Richards, Stark, Banner or Pym doing to cure aids? Why isn't America a super paradise? Exactly! These are comic books...they aren't realistic. An super advanced african nation isn't okay within a super hero universe? You cannot be serious.

Its not that africa could not seperate itself from the rest of the world and become more advanced, its just that africa has been held back for so long by natural and unnatural causes that its hard to believe that all of the sudden they would emerge as the forerunners in new world technologie.

Yeah...but a guy crawling on walls...that happens aaaaall the time:rolleyes:

[GNR]

I think the title has really suffered from so much criticism because it hasn't been given room to breathe.Right after the Year One arc,we get a House of M tie in and a horride X-Crossover.Sure there was the wildly entertaining Two The Hard Way 4 parter,but after that we get another "event" in the BP/Storm wedding.

They just let Hudlin get some of his own ideas into the book for a long period of time.

[Guyverjay]

First off Africa is a continent not a nation. Second...what are Reed Richards, Stark, Banner or Pym doing to cure aids? Why isn't America a super paradise? Exactly! These are comic books...they aren't realistic. An super advanced african nation isn't okay within a super hero universe? You cannot be serious.



Yeah...but a guy crawling on walls...that happens aaaaall the time:rolleyes:




I hear this sort of argument all the time in various discussions. It's a double edge sword.

Using this sort of logic you could just write ANYTHING. Hell have reed make a time traveling condom that runs off atomic sperm because you know it's a COMIC:D

PS Galactus isn't white for who ever actually said that:o

[GoldenAgeHero]

First off Africa is a continent not a nation. Second...what are Reed Richards, Stark, Banner or Pym doing to cure aids? Why isn't America a super paradise? Exactly! These are comic books...they aren't realistic. An super advanced african nation isn't okay within a super hero universe? You cannot be serious.



Yeah...but a guy crawling on walls...that happens aaaaall the time:rolleyes:

i am indeed. i just dont by it, you dont ahve to agree with it. thats just me.

[RockSP]

I hear this sort of argument all the time in various discussions. It's a double edge sword.

Using this sort of logic you could just write ANYTHING. Hell have reed make a time traveling condom that runs off atomic sperm because you know it's a COMIC:D

Yeah...you pretty much CAN do anything...I doubt they'll do the whole condom thing though...since some would find it offensive. But if you are somehow offended by technologically advanced africans then you probably need help. (figurative "you"...not you in particular)

[RockSP]

i am indeed. i just dont by it, you dont ahve to agree with it. thats just me.

I definitely don't agree. But you still didn't answer on the whole Reed-Stark-Ameican-paradise-thingy.

[Varient]

First off Africa is a continent not a nation. Second...what are Reed Richards, Stark, Banner or Pym doing to cure aids? Why isn't America a super paradise? Exactly! These are comic books...they aren't realistic.
This is the argument I always hear about "Minority heroes" why ain't they curing all the ills of those around them? You very rarely see hear the whites one be even "expected" to do something about world hunger, major illness or economic squalor, but the Panther is unrealistic because he doesn't do it to the satisfaction of readers who admit they "don't get him" or can't get into him?"
TSK.
It's that blind thing that I was warned about growing up,... where since "they" can't concieve of it,.. "they" can't accept it. If "they" come across it, "they" remain in loud denial while trying to prove why it's just not possible under any circumstance,.. including FANTASY.
An super advanced african nation isn't okay within a super hero universe? You cannot be serious.
Yeah...but a guy crawling on walls...that happens aaaaall the time:rolleyes:

This is why I wrote what I did when I first stepped into this thread, and until it changes this will be the reaction always given by those stuck on stupid.

[Arkady Rossovich]

We dont like him,Marvel`s just forcing him into the spotlight by putting him with Storm.

[Varient]

Yeah...you pretty much CAN do anything...I doubt they'll do the whole condom thing though...since some would find it offensive. But if you are somehow offended by technologically advanced africans then you probably need help. (figurative "you"...not you in particular)
Not so much that they were offended as just can't accept it under any circumstance.
Yet they expect "us" to accept their fantasy as both possible and enjoyable.

I was an Edagar Rice Burroughs fan Until I noticed a few trends that started to irritate the part of me that felt that "It just wasn't possible"

A white baby raised by apes that could do better than Africans raised for centuries on the same continent?

A white man transported to Mars / Venus / center of the Earth, (your choice) able to preservere over martian Super Science or Venusian Barbarian Hordes, or organized Ancient civilizations?

please.

This is why this thread should be so eye-opening to more than a few. It's okay to dream great things about WHITE PEOPLE,.. it's acceptable.

But it's just not "believable" for blacks under ANY circumstance.

Tsk and Tsk.

[Varient]

I definitely don't agree. But you still didn't answer on the whole Reed-Stark-Ameican-paradise-thingy.

Open Laughter.
Don't hold your breath.

[deemar325]

ahh I've run across your type before, i dont feel black enough for ya, hunh? nice to know you guys just contradicted everything you were saying about BP not being the stereotypical black male. good job deemar!:up::rolleyes: now im gonna have to start acting ghetto to show my blackness.

btw, if the guy is gonna call me an uncle tom i think i had the right to reply yes'm boss (in a sarcastic manner of course).

Heh, not at all. I just think you not black plain and simple.

[The Batman]

We dont like him,Marvel`s just forcing him into the spotlight by putting him with Storm.

Wow...as much as i hate the BP/Storm pairing, BP has been a fan favorite long before this wedding crap started.

[deemar325]

I hear this sort of argument all the time in various discussions. It's a double edge sword.

Using this sort of logic you could just write ANYTHING. Hell have reed make a time traveling condom that runs off atomic sperm because you know it's a COMIC:D

PS Galactus isn't white for who ever actually said that:o


Galactus is drawn as a white guy if he was drawn with dark brown skin, thick lips you'd quickly say he's black and find a reason why it's stupid why an near omnipotent being is drawn black.

Same with Superman and Captain Mar-vell.


Most fanboys wouldn't bat an eye if the next Alien hero so happen to look white, but if said character so happen the look like Wesley Snipes in a blue and red costume with powers beyond mortal men. They would call foul and not except him as black hell or asian maybe latino (if they pale skinned enough)

[GNR]

Wow...as much as i hate the BP/Storm pairing, BP has been a fan favorite long before this wedding crap started.

Definitely.Who's to speak for all of us and way we don't like him?Oh it's Jormugand,nevermind.

I'm thinking of just purchasing the final issue of the wedding arc if I decide to pick up Iron Man monthly.

[Guyverjay]

Galactus is drawn as a white guy if he was drawn with dark brown skin, thick lips you'd quickly say he's black and find a reason why it's stupid why an near omnipotent being is drawn black.

Same with Superman and Captain Mar-vell.


Most fanboys wouldn't bat an eye if the next Alien hero so happen to look white, but if said character so happen the look like Wesley Snipes in a blue and red costume with powers beyond mortal men. They would call foul and not except him as black hell or asian maybe latino (if they pale skinned enough)


LOL

I don't see it as anissue personally, stop generalising.

Its just as ludricous for him to be black as it for him to be white, so I don't think about it. Galactus' color is unimportant.

But as I have already stated Galactus is not white. Everyone see's him differently because mortal minds cannot comprehend him. A black man would more than likey see the big G as a black guy

Ps never heard of the Black racer?

[deemar325]

LOL

I don't see it as anissue personally, stop generalising.

Its just as ludricous for him to be black as it for him to be white, so I don't think about it. Galactus' color is unimportant.

But as I have already stated Galactus is not white. Everyone see's him differently because mortal minds cannot comprehend him. A black man would more than likey see the big G as a black guy

Ps never heard of the Black racer?

LOL! got me! I would say brothas don't ski, but we had that cat in the Olympics.

[Vanguard07]

Not so much that they were offended as just can't accept it under any circumstance.
Yet they expect "us" to accept their fantasy as both possible and enjoyable.

I was an Edagar Rice Burroughs fan Until I noticed a few trends that started to irritate the part of me that felt that "It just wasn't possible"

A white baby raised by apes that could do better than Africans raised for centuries on the same continent?

A white man transported to Mars / Venus / center of the Earth, (your choice) able to preservere over martian Super Science or Venusian Barbarian Hordes, or organized Ancient civilizations?

please.

This is why this thread should be so eye-opening to more than a few. It's okay to dream great things about WHITE PEOPLE,.. it's acceptable.

But it's just not "believable" for blacks under ANY circumstance.

Tsk and Tsk.

In those cases I dont think it was about white people specifically accomplishing these things. Thats not what those stories were about. It was about a person accomplishing those things. That white baby didnt do better than the native africans cause he was white it was cause he was raised by apes. thats what the story was about.

The fact that these characters were white was because the writer was white and it's easier to visualize a character that way. I'm a writer myself and I find it far more difficult to write black or asian or female characters than I do white male characters. This is because i'm a white male (should i apologise?) and i'm more familiar with the life of a white male than i am of the lives of other kinds of people.

It's not like the writer consciously decides "well this character would be better if he was white cause a black guy raised by apes isnt believable" or "a white guy would be better" it's just that you write what you know.

[32CAGE]

We dont like him,Marvel`s just forcing him into the spotlight by putting him with Storm.

Who is "we"? What is the audience you believe you speak for? There are those who like the Black Panther character but still don't like the idea of him marrying Storm. The Panther has been around since 1966 and has a large following of readers. He doesn't need a marriage to Storm to make him popular. As for X-men fans, it does't mean a rat's f..t who Storm marries. It doesn't mean she still can't be affiliated with the x-men.

[Unthinkable]

Heh, not at all. I just think you not black plain and simple.

Actually, I've heard him mention his blackness before in several threads before this one. So I believe him, personally.

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with Varient here. As a black guy myself, I really respect what BP brings to the table, and while I don't think Hudlin's orgin did a very good job, and doesn't even compare to Priest's run, its been decent outside that arc.

[Unthinkable]

In those cases I dont think it was about white people specifically accomplishing these things. Thats not what those stories were about. It was about a person accomplishing those things. That white baby didnt do better than the native africans cause he was white it was cause he was raised by apes. thats what the story was about.

The fact that these characters were white was because the writer was white and it's easier to visualize a character that way. I'm a writer myself and I find it far more difficult to write black or asian or female characters than I do white male characters. This is because i'm a white male (should i apologise?) and i'm more familiar with the life of a white male than i am of the lives of other kinds of people.

It's not like the writer consciously decides "well this character would be better if he was white cause a black guy raised by apes isnt believable" or "a white guy would be better" it's just that you write what you know.

Well, I'm sure for Hudlin its easier to visualize a black man (BP) doing all those things, and his book gets attacked for being unplausiable.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Who is "we"? What is the audience you believe you speak for? There are those who like the Black Panther character but still don't like the idea of him marrying Storm. The Panther has been around since 1966 and has a large following of readers. He doesn't need a marriage to Storm to make him popular. As for X-men fans, it does't mean a rat's f..t who Storm marries. It doesn't mean she still can't be affiliated with the x-men.

Fine,but why Storm?I have heard arguments from people who like and dislike the marriage.Im starting to think this may be a plot to get Black Panther onto the X-Men...:eek:

[Varient]

We dont like him,Marvel`s just forcing him into the spotlight by putting him with Storm.


We?




Oooookay.


For me that's like saying,.... No,.. I'm getting irritated - Nevermind.

("we" tsk)

[Varient]

PS Galactus isn't white for who ever actually said that:o

Depowered, (See his last appearance in FF), He's a bald white Guy in a Bad suit with a piss-poor 'tude.

[Varient]

In those cases I dont think it was about white people specifically accomplishing these things. Thats not what those stories were about. It was about a person accomplishing those things. That white baby didnt do better than the native africans cause he was white it was cause he was raised by apes. thats what the story was about.

The fact that these characters were white was because the writer was white and it's easier to visualize a character that way. I'm a writer myself and I find it far more difficult to write black or asian or female characters than I do white male characters. This is because i'm a white male (should i apologise?) and i'm more familiar with the life of a white male than i am of the lives of other kinds of people.

It's not like the writer consciously decides "well this character would be better if he was white cause a black guy raised by apes isnt believable" or "a white guy would be better" it's just that you write what you know.
I think my point stands becuase the above is accepted w/o comment,.. And The Panther, Cage, Blade, When written by black writers is dragged up under harsh scrutiny by in most cases white fanboys who declare that it's no possible,.. it's not plausible, it's not believable in part because the character is black.


Ever read the Street Lethal series by Steven Barnes?

Black Protagonist.
Great story.


Too bad it gets ignored.

[roach]

Depowered, (See his last appearance in FF), He's a bald white Guy in a Bad suit with a piss-poor 'tude.

it was stated a while back in comics that he takes the form of whoever sees him. To a Caucasian he appears caucasian, to a African american he appears african american...to Klingon's he appears Klingonese.

[Guyverjay]

Depowered, (See his last appearance in FF), He's a bald white Guy in a Bad suit with a piss-poor 'tude.


That's Galan not Galactus

Regardless its been SHOWN and STATED more than once (most recently in the Beta ray bill mini) through the years that Galactus appearance is different and unique to every species

[Anubis]

Which is kinda messed up when you think about it. As a species, humanity sees him as this giant, purple helmet having, white guy. Blacks, Asians, Native Americas all see the apocalypse in the form of a giant white guy with a bad fashion sense. Makes you think doesn't it?

[Guyverjay]

Not really

After all the grimm reaper is a flying black guy on Ski's

[Anubis]

Or a White Goth Chick with a sunny disposition.

[Guyverjay]

Or a White Goth Chick with a sunny disposition.


:confused:

[Anubis]

Now come now Guyver, surely you've read Sandman?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/DC%20II/deathAH.jpg

[Guyverjay]

I haven't, my knowledge on the endless is limited at best

[Anubis]

Well, that's Death, and she's the physical embodiment of well.... Death. She's actually a really nice person, what with being Death and all. While the Black Racer might be a Grimm Reaper, at least he isn't actually, death. He's just some guy who works for her.

[GNR]

We?




Oooookay.


For me that's like saying,.... No,.. I'm getting irritated - Nevermind.

("we" tsk)

I love busting Jormugand's balls everytime he posts.He constantly does not realize how stupid he sounds everytime he says something,which is usually stupid.

[Darthphere]

Well what I like most about Black Panther is that hes regal, sophisticated, yet dangerous. His costume is awesome and everythign about him is cool. He speaks eloquently and is clearly one of the smartest minds in the Marvel Universe. And he doesnt go around saying stuff like "youre straight trippin' boo".........

[GNR]

Well what I like most about Black Panther is that hes regal, sophisticated, yet dangerous. His costume is awesome and everythign about him is cool. He speaks eloquently and is clearly one of the smartest minds in the Marvel Universe. And he doesnt go around saying stuff like "youre straight trippin' boo".........

Every other single of BP I've read,Hudlin has always portrayed T'Challa as a real noble guy of character.Was that straight trippin' boo line from House of M?I didn't read House of M,but was everyone's personality the same as a result of Wanda's tampering?

[Anubis]

I believe the line he used was "I'm reminded of that american song when I think of her, "You got me stright trippin boo." " innocent really.

That House of M tie in issues was pretty good though. He cut off Sabertooths head and sent it to Magneto in a hat box. Plus he killed Apocolypse. (Well, he had help, but it was his plan.)

[GNR]

I believe the line he used was "I'm reminded of that american song when I think of her, "You got me stright trippin boo." " innocent really.

That House of M tie in issues was pretty good though. He cut off Sabertooths head and sent it to Magneto in a hat box. Plus he killed Apocolypse. (Well, he had help, but it was his plan.)

Aha!Now that you bring it up,it was the House of M tie-in issue.The one with Sabes on the cover,I think.

[Darthphere]

I believe the line he used was "I'm reminded of that american song when I think of her, "You got me stright trippin boo." " innocent really.

That House of M tie in issues was pretty good though. He cut off Sabertooths head and sent it to Magneto in a hat box. Plus he killed Apocolypse. (Well, he had help, but it was his plan.)


Yeah, good issue.:(

[Anubis]

except for the "Stright trippin boo" line right?

[Darthphere]

except for the "Stright trippin boo" line right?


I guess. Im starting to get over it.

[GNR]

I finally got around to buying #14 a week ago or so,and I was really surprised.

[Vanguard07]

I've only started following BP's titles at around issue 9 and i've been liking it a lot so far. I've always loved BP as an avenger. As far as the "straight trippin boo" thing goes. I just assumed it was a bit of humor. I prefer characters to have a sense of humor. Batman is brilliant, rich, skilled and all that crap but he never even cracks a smile and that makes me kinda hate him.
BP on the other hand is brilliant, rich, noble, skilled, respected, and LIKEABLE. which makes him one awesome character.

[GNR]

I've only started following BP's titles at around issue 9 and i've been liking it a lot so far. I've always loved BP as an avenger. As far as the "straight trippin boo" thing goes. I just assumed it was a bit of humor. I prefer characters to have a sense of humor. Batman is brilliant, rich, skilled and all that crap but he never even cracks a smile and that makes me kinda hate him.
BP on the other hand is brilliant, rich, noble, skilled, respected, and LIKEABLE. which makes him one awesome character.

I actually hated the X-crossover issues.Dude,get the trade for the first six issues of the series,it's really good stuff.

[Vanguard07]

Yeah i probably will thnx

[Varient]

it was stated a while back in comics that he takes the form of whoever sees him. To a Caucasian he appears caucasian, to a African american he appears african american...to Klingon's he appears Klingonese.
Sorry,.. but when Grimm took him to a bar,... EVERYBODY saw him as a white guy with bad manners.

It wasn't an an all white bar.:down

[Varient]

That's Galan not Galactus

Regardless its been SHOWN and STATED more than once (most recently in the Beta ray bill mini) through the years that Galactus appearance is different and unique to every species
Scary that the world destroyer by human perception is a giant white guy dressed in purple.

[Varient]

Which is kinda messed up when you think about it. As a species, humanity sees him as this giant, purple helmet having, white guy. Blacks, Asians, Native Americas all see the apocalypse in the form of a giant white guy with a bad fashion sense. Makes you think doesn't it?

hmph.

What I just said.

[Varient]

Not really

After all the grimm reaper is a flying black guy on Ski's

Black Racer isn't death,.... thats some white woman that thanos feens after,.. or some white guy in the older marvel comics,.. or some goth girl in vertigo.

Black racer collects you FOR DEATH.


Oh well.

[Varient]

I love busting Jormugand's balls everytime he posts.He constantly does not realize how stupid he sounds everytime he says something,which is usually stupid.

I find that last irritating,..... kind of two steps above simple stupidity.

Does he ever apologize when he insults with such a broad brush?

[GNR]

I find that last irritating,..... kind of two steps above simple stupidity.

Does he ever apologize when he insults with such a broad brush?

No,he's an idiot.He always says crap like "Oh I heard that JQ is doing this only because...." and all this other nonsense out of his ass.He says he's too busy running his anime/X-Men site where like nobody posts at all.

The man is a fool.

[Varient]

No,he's an idiot.He always says crap like "Oh I heard that JQ is doing this only because...." and all this other nonsense out of his ass.He says he's too busy running his anime/X-Men site where like nobody posts at all.

The man is a fool.
hmph.
How does he expect to remain credible with this sort of 'tude?

(No I don't expect an answer from you on this,.. I may go ask him myself.)

[Darthphere]

I think Black Panther has a lot visual appeal. You just see him in costume and you think wow he looks cool. I call this the Spawn effect though as we know BP has a lot more substance than Spawn.

[Varient]

I think Black Panther has a lot visual appeal. You just see him in costume and you think wow he looks cool. I call this the Spawn effect though as we know BP has a lot more substance than Spawn.
There is a "no nonsense" air about him as drawn.

No stylized poses,... All business.

[Varient]

I agree.

Hudlin needs more time to flesh out the characters and win more long-time Panther fans over. I've started enjoying his run consistantly from issue 10 onward,.. He writes a very good Cage,...
My only issue was his casual brush off of the dora. I was of the impression that they were "Wives in training" and political safeguards,.. princesses who were trained to augment and protect the King of Wakanda.

Yes as King he could choose to Marry whomever he wants,.. But they better do an issue covering the fallout of his not marrying one of the three princesses.

[deemar325]

I agree.

Hudlin needs more time to flesh out the characters and win more long-time Panther fans over. I've started enjoying his run consistantly from issue 10 onward,.. He writes a very good Cage,...
My only issue was his casual brush off of the dora. I was of the impression that they were "Wives in training" and political safeguards,.. princesses who were trained to augment and protect the King of Wakanda.

Yes as King he could choose to Marry whomever he wants,.. But they better do an issue covering the fallout of his not marrying one of the three princesses.

I just picked up the Wild Kingdom tpb and it was pretty good in my opinion.

Dumb villians, but it was fun.

I was on the Hudlin hate bandwagon now I'm slowly warming up to him, now that he's really playing around the greater Marvel U.

[GNR]

That was co-written by Milligan as well if I'm not mistaken,probably why it sucked (hardy har har).Kidding.

In terms of Reggie's BP,I want more stuff in the vain of Who Is The Panther? and Two The Hard Way.However,this wedding arc has really got me locked down.#14 exceeded my expectations.

[kiuju2k]

Because he kicked captain america's ass.

[Darthphere]

Because he kicked captain america's ass.


Not as hard as it looks.:o

[Vanguard07]

Oooh! statements like that are just asking for trouble on these boards. Everyone on here seems to think Captain America is the second coming or something. Saying he can be beaten (even when it's obvious) is probably gonna ruffle a few of their feathers.

[Cyclops]

I liked Black Panther when Christopher Priest wrote him.

This new guy that Hudlin is writing just doesn't feel like the Black Panther to me.

[Fantasyartist]

He was the first black character( he came out in 1966- about the time the real life Black Panther Party was formed) to become a Marvel hero or heroine and was the forerunner for many of his ethnic brothers and sisters(Hispanics like Firebird or the Living Lightning, the late White Tiger, Canadians like Wolverine or Alpha Flight, even Russians like the Winter Guard).
Also he's a king in his own right- like Namor, Thor or even Dr.Doom( they're all white of course), and he's noty only as rich as Tony Stark but as much as a genius technologically(not the sort of things you associate with Africa-your usually think of Kleptocracies like Mobutu, Dictators like Mugabe e. famine, mismanagement and corruption)!
Terry

Without him there would be no Flalcon, Bishop, Luke Cage or other heroes of colour!

[Chris Wallace]

The first thing that grabbed my attention was the costume. But that was almost 30 years ago. What I like about him is his strength, his integrity, his ingenuity, his resourcefulness.
Additionally, being black myself, it's great to see these traits in a black hero-the first one ever printed. A guy who single-handedly overcame the Fantastic Four, b****-slapped the Devil, warded off an invasion of his country on multiple fronts & is now about to marry Storm. He is simply an awesome character. He's enigmatic. He's suave. He is a natural leader and a hell of a fighter.

[Chris Wallace]

Because he kicked captain america's ass.
Wasn't that actually T'Challa's grandfather who did that?

[GNR]

I like the whole history behind the name.The title of Black Panther goes way back into the ancient times of Wakanda passed down through the ages,it's not just some billionaire's idea for a super-hero identity.

[Silverstein]

That's also a good reason that Black Panther is a great hero. Batman and Iron Man came about because some trillionaires Wayne and Stark, decided to be them. Captain America came about because these guy got scared of the Third Nazi thing and wanted to help his country...he would have died if he were just a soldier. Spider-man never wanted to be spider-man...Superman was raised by kind hearted people and so he "did the right thing" with his powers, upholding truth justice and the american way...but if he were raised by nazis he would have been a villain.

Black Panther though...He was one in a line. He was probablly considered to become Black Panther before he was 5. He was probablly taught of the courageous black panthers and learned of their skills and honor and wished to be like them.

[Chris Wallace]

Add to that, he had to fight is uncle for the title & has had to battle others to retain it.

[Chris Wallace]

I like the whole history behind the name.The title of Black Panther goes way back into the ancient times of Wakanda passed down through the ages,it's not just some billionaire's idea for a super-hero identity.
One of many ways in which T'Challa stands apart from every other superhero ever written. I remember seeing an ad for the new series which read "Reed's brains, Cap's brawn, Iron Man's bank"; I don't think even that covers it.

[Vanguard07]

If you throw in Elektra's stealth or something. you're probably pretty close.

[jbone55]

I like him and I love how he's drawn now. That drew me. I'm black and I didn't know this many black folk were on these boards. Also why are ya'll arguing it's comics and it's good to have a black character that isn't the stereotype in the media.

He's smart, knows his history, loves his country, love African Americans even though he's African, and is cool with everybody. I like whos writing the stories now maybe because it's all the Black Panther I know. I'll have to go deeper into his roots and hopefully more exciting stories come after this marriage thing. He would be an awesome asset to the X-men. Him and Wolvie would have issues cause of their love for Storm.

I wish there was a series where BP, Blade, Cage and some of the other good black characters got together. I'm just happy to have a black character that has prominance. A King with money that has power is well known but has his hero side. He's the black Batman and it would be sick to have a worlds collide with these two. They are two of my favorite characters. I can see Bruce and T'challa hitting it off and having a great understanding as a team.

Oh and how do you say his name? T'challa?

[Chris Wallace]

I'm told the "T" is silent.

[Anubis]

I always thought it was like [Tah-Cha-La]

[RockSP]

I always thought it was like [Tah-Cha-La]

That's how I always pronounce it...

[Vanguard07]

me too. Where'd you hear the "t" is silent?

[Chris Wallace]

On these boards; I forget who told me that.

[Anubis]

Heres another question, how do you pronounce Hank Pym's name? I always go with [PIM] like Him with a P. Never knew weather or not I was saying it wrong though.

[Vanguard07]

i think pim is right. the alternative is pime right? pime just sounds silly.

[32CAGE]

Fine,but why Storm?I have heard arguments from people who like and dislike the marriage.Im starting to think this may be a plot to get Black Panther onto the X-Men...:eek:

The better question is why not Storm? What makes her untouchable compared to the rest of the females in the marvel universe?

I don't buy your conspiracy theory. As Panther is not a mutant and has a kingdom to run, I don't see him being involved with the X-men with the possible exception of a guest appearance once in a blue moon if Storm remains with the team.

[GNR]

BP does not need the X-Men.

[Anubis]

f**k the X-Men.

[Darthphere]

Do the X-Men need BP though?

[Anubis]

Them motha f**kas need something. But not BP.

[KingOfDreams]

Cool costume. And he's a badass.

[GNR]

Do the X-Men need BP though?

The X-Men are getting Brubaker,that's what they need.

[Chris Wallace]

Nobody's trying to get BP onto the X-Men. This is about a man finally marrying the only woman he's ever truly loved.
BP is also a very visually compelling character; take away the cape & the gold, he looks sleek & stealthy, like his namesake. With it, he has a very tribal/royal feel. Either way, you can't lose.

[Varient]

I can't think of anyone else I'd want to marry Storm.

Sorry.

[Varient]

As far as BP and the Xmen,.. They would be better served to have a place in Wakanda as an alternate techbase.

[Chris Wallace]

I can't think of anyone else I'd want to marry Storm.

Sorry.
I'll go one further & say there's no one better suited for him, either.

[Chris Wallace]

As far as BP and the Xmen,.. They would be better served to have a place in Wakanda as an alternate techbase.
Who says the X-Men have to have any real association w/Wakanda? I don't regularly associate w/my wife's co-workers, & I don't have a country to run. Why should he?

[Varient]

Who says the X-Men have to have any real association w/Wakanda? I don't regularly associate w/my wife's co-workers, & I don't have a country to run. Why should he?

Because unlike canon involving Stark,... and the Fantastic Four,... Wakanda and the Black Panther appear to have a different policy involving the sharing of tech.
I can't find any ref to Wakanda charging heroes for their gear.


I point it out - How many Hero's has Tony Stark augmented or GIVEN GEAR TO? War Machine was Ironman Guardian tech is used in prisons for a hefty fee.

Ditto for the Fantastic Four.

Each have supplied tech to people affiliated to their teams,.... but only the Panther has had a better policy in regards to sharing tech. Wakada is canon for accepting refugees and protecting them. If the Mutants went there,.. all that nonsense happening in their own books would just STOP.

And if he had chosen to,... Wakanda could have easily financed the Avengers.
I don't know where folk want to believe that a corporation has more money than a country,... esp one with the resources that wakanda has,... but the bottom line here is that if stark CAN'T AFFORD to give the Avengers 1k a week then he's nowhere as rich as the panther.

[Anubis]

You know, that whole providing asylum for mutants or say, any superhuman in Wakanda is a pretty good idea. I think I came up with something like that in that Civil War OYL thread somebody made. This of course would bring the U.S. government into opposition against Wakanda. Possibly attempting to sanction the country or even try and invade. And we all know what happens to those that Invade Wakanda.

[Darthphere]

Guys T'challa is a silent T. So its said like Challa. I just heard them talk about it on a Marvel Podcast. I Prefer the T not silent though. :(

[Chris Wallace]

I also like it better w/an audible "T"; but I try to pronounce it correctly.

[Varient]

You know, that whole providing asylum for mutants or say, any superhuman in Wakanda is a pretty good idea. I think I came up with something like that in that Civil War OYL thread somebody made. This of course would bring the U.S. government into opposition against Wakanda. Possibly attempting to sanction the country or even try and invade. And we all know what happens to those that Invade Wakanda.
Yup,... Entire groups get their feelings hurt.

That's the most major sticking point with those who don'tr like the concept of the black panther:

That Wakanda could remain independent,.....:down

[Chris Wallace]

I'm sure BP won't stand by & allow the U.S. government to do something which would hurt everything his wife has fought for.

[GNR]

You know, that whole providing asylum for mutants or say, any superhuman in Wakanda is a pretty good idea. I think I came up with something like that in that Civil War OYL thread somebody made. This of course would bring the U.S. government into opposition against Wakanda. Possibly attempting to sanction the country or even try and invade. And we all know what happens to those that Invade Wakanda.

That's a great idea Anubis.:up:

[Chris Wallace]

I miss Ross, though.

[Varient]

That's a great idea Anubis.:up:
..............................................

Glad I thought of it.:)

[Phaedrus45]

Klaw rules!

[Anubis]

Thats one of the things I didn't dig about Hudlin's run. The changes he made to Klaw. I mean, I do dig the new look, but he was far more powerful before. Like a sound based Senestro or something. But, I don't know. In the long run it may be an improvement. Who knows.

[GNR]

Really?Dude,I loved Hudlin's interpretation of Klaw.I like how he made these b and c list villains actual forces to be reckoned with.

Is it true this was Hudlin's script for a BP movie?Because when I was reading the first arc,it really felt like I was reading a movie for some reason.

[Anubis]

Yeah, but he was already a force to be reckoned with. Just never really taken seriously. He did do a great job with Batroc though.

[GNR]

..............................................

Glad I thought of it.:)

Oh,my bad I thought it was Anubis.

[Anubis]

I came up with the same idea in another thread. We're just of like minds is all.
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227233&page=2

Somewhere in the middle of this page.

[Varient]

the dipiction in both his book and in the storm mini is dead on.

When he is consistant like this across comics,....

he is a joy to read

[Varient]

One thing I would've liked to see would've been the women in Wakanda who had thought they had a shot and are now watching someone else show up to become the new Queen Mother.

[La The Darkman]

I think the biggest reason I really began to like Panther was because of Christoper Priest's run with the character, anyone that's a huge panther fan views his run as the definitive Black Panther. He took a character that had basically become a background avenger and turned him into a major force to be reconned with. Plus I have to admit his costume is really cool, especially the Black and gold version without the cape.

[Chris Wallace]

Same here, but I think he rocks with or without the cape.

[The Geek Vault]

I remember I first saw the character in Marvel Encyclopedia and loved the costume and always found it cool how his powers opposed his mortal enemy klaw. I also found it cool how he was a king. I didn't realize he was black until I read his comic. I always found the costume of him with the trenchcoat and the mask was cool (was that him or casper?), on a side note In priests run isn't it kinda determined that T'challa will die of a brain tumor?

[Anubis]

Well, thats the thing about future stuff. Just because somebody says that this is gonna happen, doesn't mean that it will. I mean, just look at the whole Genis/Songbird thing. They were supposed to join the Avengers, fall in love and have a kid whom Genis would kill in his crib in order to stop him from destroying the universe in the far future. But now, Genis is dead and Songbird's humping Zemo.

[La The Darkman]

I always found the costume of him with the trenchcoat and the mask was cool (was that him or casper?)

That was Casper, although if T'challa started wearing that I'd love it.

on a side note In priests run isn't it kinda determined that T'challa will die of a brain tumor?

I thinking it's another one of those "possible futures" or just one of the many things that Hudlin dumped.

[GNR]

What was the deal with the whole Priest/Death of T'Challa thing?I've never understood what happened with that bhind the scenes.

[Anubis]

I hope Hudlin at some point tries to at least cover some of those dangling plot threads from Priest's run like what ever happened to Killmonger?

[La The Darkman]

I hope Hudlin at some point tries to at least cover some of those dangling plot threads from Priest's run like what ever happened to Killmonger?

I hope Hudlin does what he said he was gonna do and make Panther a more prominent part of the marvel universe. :(

[Anubis]

Certainly seems to have come to pass. Loved BP in the Illuminati Special. Can't wait to see what role he plays in Civil War.

[Chris Wallace]

Yup.
But I Also Wanna Know What Became Of Killmonger & Achebe.

[deemar325]

I hope Hudlin at some point tries to at least cover some of those dangling plot threads from Priest's run like what ever happened to Killmonger?

I honestly don't think Hudlin has read Priest's run or he glossed over it. Either way guy is to ego driven to respect what Priest brought to BP.

It's not something I see him doing.

[Varient]

I honestly don't think Hudlin has read Priest's run or he glossed over it. Either way guy is to ego driven to respect what Priest brought to BP.

It's not something I see him doing.

I guess we'll find out.

[Chris Wallace]

That was Casper, although if T'challa started wearing that I'd love it.




Why? It looks like Blade w/a Panther mask.