Superman OYL - SPOILERS

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't have any proof, I'd just heard that his max was the speed of sound in the Man of Steel mini.

Wally was experiencing some kind of super-speed disease towards the end of his time as Kid Flash and the beginning of his career as the third Flash. It turned out later that he was just subconsciously afraid to reach his full potential because he thought he might overshadow Barry. Which, of course, he eventually did (in power level, at least).

[Spike_x1]

I don't have any proof, I'd just heard that his max was the speed of sound in the Man of Steel mini.A far cry from that speed, actually. His speed has been pretty consistent ever since MOS, from what I can tell.

When most people call Byrne's Superman weak, it's not necessarily because his version of the Man of Steel was weak at all. It's just that he's weak compared to the current interpretation that has been slowly nearing the crazy pre-crisis power levels.

[TheCorpulent1]

I haven't seen him do anything really close to pre-CoIE levels. If anything, Infinite Crisis showed how far away from that level he was. Superboy Prime was basically at pre-CoIE levels and he annihilated practically everyone, including the two other Supermen. His strength and speed are just about right as they are now, in my opinion.

[Spike_x1]

The fact that our Superman fought Superboy while kryptonite was littering the place, plus the fact that all three of them went through the red sun together, so they should've been weakened by equal proportions, is enough for me to say that he's close enough to those levels of power.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ok, I'm with you on the Kryptonite part. Kryptonite really ought to be more effective against Superman. There's the Infinite Crisis incident, plus in this week's Superman/Batman he fights a Hulk imitation who's emitting Kryptonite radiation and barely flinches.

Someone explained the deal with SBP pretty simply, though. Superboy Prime was originally more powerful because of the anti-matter boost Alex gave him. That wore off, so he got the Anti-Monitor suit to boost his power instead. That got destroyed by the red sun dive, leaving SBP with just the yellow solar charge in his cells. He was locked away with E2 Supes in Alex's heaven/hell place, away from yellow sunlight, for years, so both his body and E2 Supes' body had much less of a charge than the post-CoIE Superman's did. Thus, the red sun dive drained E2 Supes and SBP much faster, leaving the post-CoIE Supes the strongest afterwards.

That Kryptonite bit still annoyed me, though. What kind of moron would pick something that's harmful to him and smash it into the face of someone whom it's not harmful to at all? Just get a rock or something instead, for Christ's sake. Not that it mattered anyway, given the Kryptonite problem I mentioned earlier.

[Spike_x1]

That's a pretty good explanation.
But there's still the fact that none of them were burned or crushed to death from diving through the sun. If Superman can dive through something with that magnitude of power, which is also weakening him at the same time (meaning that even in a drastically weakened state, he can still withstand the unimaginable heat and pressure of an entire star), then that means that not even all of earth's nuclear bombs combined should even phase him in the slightest degree and his muscles should be easily strong enough to juggle planets.

Byrne's Superman was once flattened by a bomb that was powerful enough to "level Metropolis." I enjoyed that. It took an immense amount of firepower to do it, but Superman was knocked out by it. But with Superman's red sun-diving feat in Infinite Crisis, it's hard to believe that he's not reverting back to the pre-crisis levels.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's a good point. The only explanation I can think of is that maybe the red sun radiation didn't drain the Supermen immediately, it left them all with just enough energy in their cells to survive the gravity and stuff. When they land on the planet, that's when they're as depowered as they're gonna get. Pretty weak explanation, though.

[drastic_quench]

All-Star Superman proves that Superman's power levels have no effect on a writer who can tell a good story. On the other end of the spectrum, Busiek, with Up, Up, and Away, is proving the same thing.

[Spike_x1]

All-Star Superman proves that Superman's power levels have no effect on a writer who can tell a good story. On the other end of the spectrum, Busiek, with Up, Up, and Away, is proving the same thing.In ASS's case, I strongly disagree.

[Superman \S/]

I disagree as well, Morrision is doing a damn good job at telling a Superman story.

[drastic_quench]

I think you misunderstood what I meant. All-Star Superman is great. I think it's worth noting that Morrison's Superman is nearly one of the strongest versions ever - yet that doesn't hurt the story at all.

My point is that I don't buy the whole line about how it's hard to write a story about a hero that's so powerful. That and the whole power-him-down agenda really annoys me.

[Spike_x1]

I think you misunderstood what I meant. All-Star Superman is great. I think it's worth noting that Morrison's Superman is nearly one of the strongest versions ever - yet that doesn't hurt the story at all.

My point is that I don't buy the whole line about how it's hard to write a story about a hero that's so powerful. That and the whole power-him-down agenda really annoys me.I understood you just fine (although I'm not sure about Superman \S/), and I still disagree.

[Ahura Mazda]

If I may ask, why should USpes keep getting depowerred while you have WW and MM who are getting more powerful?

[Vic Von Doom]

I think you misunderstood what I meant. All-Star Superman is great. I think it's worth noting that Morrison's Superman is nearly one of the strongest versions ever - yet that doesn't hurt the story at all.

My point is that I don't buy the whole line about how it's hard to write a story about a hero that's so powerful. That and the whole power-him-down agenda really annoys me.

I get what you mean. Neil Gaiman said much the same thing, it's part of what inspired Sandman. His reasoning went, "let's create a character who's basically all-powerful, and see where we go from there" . Whether a character is superpowered or not, a good story is a good story.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think Sandman-esque stories would really work with Superman, though. Every now and then, sure, but the norm for Supes is and always should be superheroics. That said, I still think there are enough cosmic or otherwise uber-powerful threats out there to occupy a highly powerful Superman.

[Vic Von Doom]

I know, I was just agreeing that just because a character is all-powerful doesn't mean it's hard to write stories about them. I mean, look at NFL Superpro. What powers does he have? And he sucks.

[TheCorpulent1]

Hahaha, nice example.

[Vic Von Doom]

Yeah, everytime Brad Meltzer or Geoff Johns say something like "There are no bad characters, just bad writing" I say, "Uh...NFL Superpro? B'Wana Beast?" Hell, Johns killed Rainbow Raider in Flash rather than deal with him.

[Archangel]

Hey, B'wana Beast was pretty cool in Morrisson's Animal Man!

[Vic Von Doom]

Bite your tongue. Bite it.

[Anubis]

No it's true he was great.

[yenaled]

Anubis speaks the truth.

[Superman \S/]

Indeed.

[BlackOpsTengu]

It wasn't though like the Supermen parked in the middle of the red sun, they flew through it. Any child can run his finger through a candle flame, but if you hold it there...

They were probably inside of it just long enough to destroy the armor and drain SBP.

[TheCorpulent1]

They were in it long enough to drain Superman, too. The fact that he has no powers for a year afterwards shows that pretty well.

[gildea]

I think you misunderstood what I meant. All-Star Superman is great. I think it's worth noting that Morrison's Superman is nearly one of the strongest versions ever - yet that doesn't hurt the story at all.

My point is that I don't buy the whole line about how it's hard to write a story about a hero that's so powerful. That and the whole power-him-down agenda really annoys me.


*Cheers and Applause*

Powering him down to make him more "relatable" is for people with no imagination.

[Anubis]

exactly

[drastic_quench]

Thanks. I just finished reading Moore's run on Miracleman. That really drove the point home for me.

[Superman \S/]

It was great.

[The Caped Knight]

I just finshed reading Action Comics #839 great story

It had some stuff that will see in SUPERMAN RETURNS

-SUPERMAN Hovering above the city, using his super hearing

- Lex's New Krypton fortress

- giant crystals suddenly burst through the streets of Metropoils. Superman flys around the city, saving people from the crystals now sprouting up all over Metropolis.

-SUPERMAN goes to confront Lex Luthor in his New Krypton fortress

[TheCorpulent1]

"Up, Up, and Away" has been steadily going down the crapper for me since Clark got his powers back, actually. The Lex shown in the last issue was so not the Lex I'm interested in reading, too. If the rampant Superman Returns homages in character and plot continue, I'll probably drop the Superman comics after the next arc.

[Darthphere]

"Up, Up, and Away" has been steadily going down the crapper for me since Clark got his powers back, actually. The Lex shown in the last issue was so not the Lex I'm interested in reading, too. If the rampant Superman Returns homages in character and plot continue, I'll probably drop the Superman comics after the next arc.


Well theres only 2 more issues left of this arc. Might as well finish it through. But yeah, I hate the Superman returns affect on this arc.

[TheCorpulent1]

I am finishing it. I'm going to read the next arc, which'll be unencumbered by the IC clean-up and having to set up the new status quo, too. If, after that next arc, the books aren't back up to snuff I'm ditching them.

[Darthphere]

I am finishing it. I'm going to read the next arc, which'll be unencumbered by the IC clean-up and having to set up the new status quo, too. If, after that next arc, the books aren't back up to snuff I'm ditching them.


You heard that DC, virtual ***** slap.

[Spike_x1]

Really, we started out with such a great arc too. :(

Great Prankster, Neutron, and Radion appearances. Fantastic characterization of Clark and Lois. Then he gets his powers back and things go quite sour IMO. All of those villains simply popped up for what equates to glorified cameos. Seriously, their only purpose in appearing was to attempt to impress the readers with the fact that he can take them all on simultaneously - something that just wouldn't happen if they were being written to their potential. If a writer is going to water down a villain so much that they serve no storytelling purpose, why bother including them in the first place? I mean, if it was just two or three villains, I'd be perfectly fine with it, but that was way over the top and filled with unnecessary changes to characters.

And now we have Spacey's Lex showing up. With Crystal Krypton. No thanks.

:down

[Darthphere]

Oh god, and that raised shiny new \S/ symbol.

[TheCorpulent1]

At least they cleared up the deal with the new Toyman in the last issue. He's a creation of the original.

[Spike_x1]

Oh god, and that raised shiny new \S/ symbol.I don't mind that so much, actually. It's been done enough in the past that I'm used to it. As long as it's not made into the definitive version of the \S/ for every artist in the coming years, and as long as they don't shrink it down to the size it is on Routh, I won't mind.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, the size of the "S" on Routh's costume is the biggest problem I had with it. The embossing has been done many, many times over the years, and sometimes it even looks good. It didn't look that great when Woods did it, but I think that's just because of the way he rendered it.

But oh, God help them if they ever put that second "S" on the belt in the comics. :mad:

[Ultimate_Superman]

To be honest the size of the \S/ is not that bad look at it and I am sure it will look bigger on screen like Spider-Man's and Batman.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/Col_Kilgore/topps/superhr.jpg

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/4754/srpose0qt.jpg

I mean if you look at it if it was any bigger it would cover his body.

[sethcohen]

A) it should cover the whole chest...
B) it would probably look bigger if the neckline wasnt made higher to hide the padding...

[Orko Is King]

Everyone knows that Alex Ross draws the best \S/. Hell, he could go bigger and it'd still look too small. I think his \S/ should be folded and when he flies, it unfolds into an \S/ the side of a bedsheet.

[Darthphere]

My main problem with Pete Wood's \S/ is its shiny. It really doesnt yell Superman to me to be wearing a big shiny \S/ on his chest.

[sethcohen]

my main problem is the raised S is stupid...

[Darthphere]

my main problem is the raised S is stupid...


That too. Raised+shiny=Stupid.

[sethcohen]

i wouldnt mind if it was just slightly raised... but its too pronounced... and the S buckle? dumb! the high neckline? dumb! the tiny little S-shield pattern in the cloth on the costume? super dumb!

[drastic_quench]

Anyone notice Supes sleeves? Why's he got Supergirl's sleeves all of the sudden?

[sethcohen]

Anyone notice Supes sleeves? Why's he got Supergirl's sleeves all of the sudden?
what do you mean? image?

[SpideyInATree]

"Up, Up, and Away" has been steadily going down the crapper for me since Clark got his powers back, actually. The Lex shown in the last issue was so not the Lex I'm interested in reading, too. If the rampant Superman Returns homages in character and plot continue, I'll probably drop the Superman comics after the next arc.

Nobody was expecting the Superman comics to change a little bit due to the movie? :confused:

[sethcohen]

expecting? yes
hoping? no

[SpideyInATree]

Now the Superman fans will know how the Spider-Man fans have felt. :o

[Emerald Knight]

So Luthor sees himself as a god with his intelligence and resources...I'm cool with that. :up:

[Spike_x1]

expecting? yes
hoping? no:(:up:

[Spike_x1]

Now the Superman fans will know how the Spider-Man fans have felt. :oI used to read Spider-man's books...

until things went s**tty a few years ago. Now it's slowly happening to Superman too.

[kiuju2k]

Now the Superman fans will know how the Spider-Man fans have felt.

I disagree. Spiderman movies are far from perfect but, by far the best comic hero movie i've seen thus far besides the 1st blade movie.

Onto superman returns it has lex playing king of the hill again with superman. Classic? yes. Do I want to see it for the millionth time? No. Do i like seeing SR references in the comics? Hell no. Will I be dropping this book and just downloading it in protest if dc doesn't get their act together? Yes.

[Spike_x1]

By now I suppose everyone here knows how much I hate DC sweeping their continuity under the rug without even mentioning it, and I can't believe that I missed this little flub until now.

Anyone else notice a little inconsistency between these two very similar scenarios? In the first, we see Metallo definitely expressing pain during his first encounter with Lex Luthor's greedy fingers.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/863/wtf1lj.jpg

And in the second, it's the exact same scene with the exact same characters (with the exception of Toyman), but Lex seems to have forgotten that Metallo could feel pain in his former robot body. Lex doesn't seem like the forgetful type to me.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/4866/wtf10jy.jpg

BTW, John Corben also had white hair as a human. Not brown.

[SpideyInATree]

I disagree. Spiderman movies are far from perfect but, by far the best comic hero movie i've seen thus far besides the 1st blade movie.

I'm not talking about the quality of the movies. I'm talking about how the comic companies will literally destroy decades and decades of history because of one movie changes things slightly so now they have to do it with the comics because the 'non-comic reading public' has little attention span.

Spider-Man had organic web shooters in the movie.

Oh! We'll just toss out the WEBSHOOTERS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE COMIC FOR OVER 40 YEARS!! And we'll just give him organics...I mean...it makes sense, right? The comic book fans won't mind, right?

Well, I'd really REALLY expect Supes to go through the same thing. That is, unless DC goes the track it's been going lately, and that's being a lot more smarter than Marvel. Let's hope so for Superman fans. :o

[sethcohen]

blame JMS... him and JQ are taking turns raping peter parker and enjoying the hell out of it...

[SpideyInATree]

blame JMS... him and JQ are taking turns raping peter parker and enjoying the hell out of it...

That has nothing to do with the movies...or Superman for that matter. I hear that crap enough from all the "real" Spider-man fans in the Spider-Man comic board. :o

[sethcohen]

im just saying... i whole heartedly agree though... the movies shouldnt seep into the comics... but just a lil off topic, did you read the interview with JMS and JQ about what they are doing to spidey? they think its great! i wanted to cry...

[Anubis]

By now I suppose everyone here knows how much I hate DC sweeping their continuity under the rug without even mentioning it, and I can't believe that I missed this little flub until now.

Anyone else notice a little inconsistency between these two very similar scenarios? In the first, we see Metallo definitely expressing pain during his first encounter with Lex Luthor's greedy fingers.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/863/wtf1lj.jpg

And in the second, it's the exact same scene with the exact same characters (with the exception of Toyman), but Lex seems to have forgotten that Metallo could feel pain in his former robot body. Lex doesn't seem like the forgetful type to me.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/4866/wtf10jy.jpg

BTW, John Corben also had white hair as a human. Not brown.

he wasn't in his former Robot body. He was in a new body that he got from that Asian kid Toyman. It's cybernetic, but part organic. So, yes, he can feel pain, and he still had the Kryptonite heart.

[Spike_x1]

he wasn't in his former Robot body. He was in a new body that he got from that Asian kid Toyman. It's cybernetic, but part organic. So, yes, he can feel pain, and he still had the Kryptonite heart.I know that.

The fact that I was trying to point out was that, in the second pic, Lex claims that Metallo never would've felt a thing if he had pulled the kryptonite out of his old robot body. However, in the first picture, we can clearly see that Corben could indeed feel a large amount of pain in his robot body when kryptonite is pulled from his chest cavity.

[SpideyInATree]

im just saying... i whole heartedly agree though... the movies shouldnt seep into the comics... but just a lil off topic, did you read the interview with JMS and JQ about what they are doing to spidey? they think its great! i wanted to cry...

Yes. Movies separate. Comics separate. It makes things easier for everybody if you ask me.

And, yes, I read that interview. You didn't really read it right. They weren't saying what they've done to the character in the past was great, they were talking about a future project. JMS will be writing and Quesada will be doing the pencils on it. Basically, from the interview, I'm gathering that they're taking Pete back to the feeling of the Stan Lee era. And all the Spidey fans are in a tizzy because they think they're killing Mary Jane.

[Anubis]

I know that.

The fact that I was trying to point out was that, in the second pic, Lex claims that Metallo never would've felt a thing if he had pulled the kryptonite out of his old robot body. However, in the first picture, we can clearly see that Corben could indeed feel a large amount of pain in his robot body when kryptonite is pulled from his chest cavity.

Oh, well, I think that's just nitpicking then.

[Spike_x1]

Oh, well, I think that's just nitpicking then.Nitpicking is one thing. Calling attention to dozens of lapses in continuity within a single story arc that pertain to characters' knowledge of each other and their abilities is something else (for God's sake, it's the exact same scene as it was played out 20 years ago). Writers don't even try to look back and expand on past events anymore.

Personally, I think that that scene would've been much more dramatic and entertaining if the writers looked back and made both characters actually remember the Byrne era and the rest of their post-crisis characterizations (why's Lex skinny all of a sudden?)

[GoldenAgeHero]

that scence is reintreperting the scene you posted from the old comics. thats why theyre similar. and i dont know if you knew this or not, but DC is getting rid off byrnes take on the superman mythos. this is now johns and kurts take. so it's not about continuity at all.

[kiuju2k]

Yeah i hear they want to breakup mj and peter. I guess joe doesn' t like the idea of a settled down spiderman anymore. Or did he ever?

[TheCorpulent1]

Joe Q and Tom Brevoort hate the Spider-Man marriage. Mark Waid's not a big fan, either. I can't recall hearing anyone else speak out against it, though.
Nobody was expecting the Superman comics to change a little bit due to the movie? :confused:
I expected the costume to change, and I'm fine with that. But changing the actual personality of characters strikes me as going a bit too far. Especially when it's one of my favorite villains.

[Ultimate_Superman]

They are doing this mainly because of the movie. Remember the movie will bring in new readers just like Batman Begins did and DC is also changing things in Batman to match the movie as well. Since we do not have a real Ultimate line this is how they are doing things. I see now problem with it really as long as it is for this arc only. Because it is said the new origin given to Superman will be more like the movie then anything else.

[TheCorpulent1]

What have they changed in Batman to match with the movie?

[Darthphere]

What have they changed in Batman to match with the movie?


Oh hell nah!

[marcofthebeast]

Funny I was just gonna mention Batman Begins and how the movie didn't influance the book at all. Opinions I guess.

[Darthphere]

You could argue bringing back Joe Chill was influenced by Batman begins but other than that.

[marcofthebeast]

True, but then again that was a year ago.

[TheCorpulent1]

You could argue bringing back Joe Chill was influenced by Batman begins but other than that.
You could, but it'd be a tough sell. That was established in the comics long before the movie, then retconned out, then retconned back in. The main purpose for it seems to be more to provide Bruce with a way to move past his parents' deaths to be less brooding and obsessive, which they had as part of the plan for a while, than to simply do it because Batman Begins did it.

[jim lee's bat]

Question is superman 68 years old now cause in the first page of the OYL stuff it shows what I thought was him landing on Earth but it said that was 68 years ago

[TheCorpulent1]

I was confused by that as well. The best explanation I can think of is that everyone on the new, post-IC Earth remembers the Earth-2 Superman's exploits. That stuff at the beginning of the first issue of "Up, Up, and Away" is from a movie that Clark and Lois were watching about Superman's life. Obviously the people who made the movie wouldn't know all the details about Supes' life, like the fact that Earth-2 Superman was a different man entirely from the current Superman. So maybe to the creators of the movie it seemed as if Superman's been around for 60-something years because they remember the Earth-2 Supes' Golden Age exploits, and they just assume that the current Superman is the same one, much like they assume the current Wildcat, Flash, and Green Lantern in the JSA are the same men as always.

[jim lee's bat]

I thought it was from the movie but I wasnt sure

[Ben Urich]

I am finishing it. I'm going to read the next arc, which'll be unencumbered by the IC clean-up and having to set up the new status quo, too. If, after that next arc, the books aren't back up to snuff I'm ditching them.

Is the next arc another Action/Superman crossover? :confused:

[Ultimate_Superman]

^No

[TheCorpulent1]

Is the next arc another Action/Superman crossover? :confused:
No, one's by Busiek and one's by Busiek and Niceiza.

[Tropico]

Although I don't like Supes increasing power level (I liked him during the Man of Steel era) I loved how they portrayed him in Action #839. I loved how he took down his enemies, if you were to believe what a lot of people say (especially Bat-fans) it should be impossible for him to do something like that!:rolleyes: To me it's always made sense that he would fight like this especially with increased brain functions (or speed, whatever :p:D). It's just plain common sense! It sucks that his personal life is now going to take a hit due to him being Superman, but it IS worth it like they said. Add me to the group of "this is too much Krypton crap on Earth", it's the only thing about the story arc that has me kinda "meh".

[Ben Urich]

No, one's by Busiek and one's by Busiek and Niceiza.

I have some old Power Rangers issues written by Niceiza :up:
I'll get the Busiek solo arc, probably. Which title is it?

[TheCorpulent1]

Superman, with Carlos Pacheco on art. Busiek's solo arc starts in #654:

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/5531_400x600.jpg

[Lord Blackbolt]

That is a awesome cover

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Pacheco looks like he's out of his funk. :up:

[batnkevlar]

Question is superman 68 years old now cause in the first page of the OYL stuff it shows what I thought was him landing on Earth but it said that was 68 years ago

If it was Earth-2 Supes, he would have come here close to 78 years ago, in order to fight in WWII... i just figured they made a (mostly false) movie about Superman and made up the day that he came to Earth...

[Superman \S/]

Pacheo is gonna kick ass, i can't wait.

[Ben Urich]

Superman, with Carlos Pacheco on art. Busiek's solo arc starts in #654:

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/5531_400x600.jpg

Thanks Corp :up:
I'll drop Action so I can get my pull list down under $30... but I'll end up adding Checkmate (probably) so crap.
Poor wallet. :(

[Superman \S/]

I can't get enough of both Superman/Action Comics. The new team will be something great to look foward too.

[Darthphere]

The funny thing is im hoping one of them sucks because I really need to drop some titles.:(

[Superman \S/]

No way!! :mad:

[Binker]

ACTION COMICS #839

REVIEW:
Story: As he fights off the villians, Superman tries to remember the fact that while he is the Man of Steel, he can be hurt. As Clark Kent, his life is back to what it was when he was Superman. Hearing the sounds above the clouds, he hears eruptions....

The tie-in to Superman Returns continues here in full force. Its obivious from the fact that crystals come out of the ground due to the kryptonian artifact and now, at the end, has a ship. Another part from the movie is the scene where Superman is hearing sounds from Earth while he is floating in the sky. While the difference is that he's still on Earth while in the film he's in space, the similar elements from both versions is present.

Overall, we are closer to the end of the arc of Superman OYL. We were given a conclusion of the fight from the previous issue, a little breather, and the road to the final battle.

RATING: 7.5/10

SUPERMAN #653

REVIEW:
Story: It's Superman vs. Luthor and his Kryptonian ship. The Man of Steel is always up for the challenge but the fact that the ship is of his origin and is equipped with kryptonite makes the battle harder to win on Supes' side, and to end. Hey, expected it to be easy?

Luthor's mission is as follows: due to Superman over the years and the fact that he has lost everythin from his company to his status in Metropolis, he wants to use the ship to take the city with him. So its a suicidal mission.

We're given a history on the ship. The ship was used by Kryptonians to attack and reshape other planets and their cities. It was controlled by Zod. Now I have to wonder: Zod controlled the ship. It was his. That much I understand. But, Krypton built it in the first place. So why would they need something like this. Even the shots from the Kryptonians in military outfits may or may not be Zod and his crew but why Krypton would build something like this in the first place is beyond me. Hopefully more will be learned later.

A nice little addition that is classic Luthor from the comics and shows like Superfriends (doubtful in Superman Returns) is the green and purple suit, not the battle armor, Luthor wears in this issue. Kinda nice but fits well with his city-destroying plans.

Overall; this was a nice issue. We have one more to go and that would technically be the epilogue of things since this was what the built up was for. As this issue ended and the next one in the wait, I have to wonder....why is Superman losing his powers once again?

RATING: 8.5/10

[Ultimate_Superman]

I just loving the ending what Lex says to Superman "I hate you. God, I hate you." I love that little part when they were starting to fall into the water I thought it was funny.

[Emerald Knight]

Binker, didn't the issue say it was because he dealt with too much kryptonite in the issue? I believe that was why he was losing his powers temporarily.

[Binker]

I thought of that but in IC, Superman lost all his powers because of both HUGE amounts of kryptonite and red sun. In this, its sorta similar but we don't know if the actual amount of kryptonite in that ship is the same amount, or close, to the many he went through in IC. But he still had his powers after points in the issue where he was exposed. And before the ship is destroyed, Superman is at full power to attack it. Then after the ship begins to be destroyed, it is then he starts to lose it.

So thats why I said what I said. Those are the reasons.

[Spike_x1]

I'll have to read the latest ish for myself in order to see whether or not the writing can overcome my innate hatred of the overuse of Crystal Krypton.

[Emerald Knight]

I thought of that but in IC, Superman lost all his powers because of both HUGE amounts of kryptonite and red sun. In this, its sorta similar but we don't know if the actual amount of kryptonite in that ship is the same amount, or close, to the many he went through in IC. But he still had his powers after points in the issue where he was exposed. And before the ship is destroyed, Superman is at full power to attack it. Then after the ship begins to be destroyed, it is then he starts to lose it.

So thats why I said what I said. Those are the reasons.

fair enough.

I just thought of it as Supes using the remaining portions of his strength, you know, the whole "it takes ACTION!" thing, with Superman never giving up, no matter the odds. And I thought it was his remaining strength when crashing through the ship.

Or maybe, each of his powers gets affected at different times with kryptonite. Just a guess, but who knows?

[Binker]

It wasn't explained in this issue, it should in the next one so we'll know anyway in the end.

[supes_el]

Great issue heare...great read...I loved Lex as his maniac self here....I like Supes as he was here...I wonder what will happen to the sunstone

[Ben Urich]

I liked the latest installment of Up, Up, and Away! well enough, but what I see here is a story that squandered its potential. I remember the shock I felt when I saw Clark Kent wearing the signal watch to alert Supergirl - that's the sort of fun twist that kept the story going at the beginning. However, it seems as though Busiek and Johns wanted to hurry up and get to the meat of the story, and that meant returning Superman to his full power. While the addition of faster thinking is cool, I just can't help but feel that this could have been the definitive Superman story for its generation, much like Man of Steel was for those reading comics in the 80s. Instead, we got what amounts to Busiek and Johns (usually stellar writers) cribbing from Superman Returns, and that's just not cool. :down.

[Mister J]

I liked this issue and am looking forward to Part 8. Luthor wanting to take down his city and Superman wanting to protect his city. That's classic Supes/Lex right there. :up:

Superman's inner monologue was good throughout. I liked his reasoning behind the jabs he took at Luthor, as well as his plan of action.

[joke]

Question is superman 68 years old now cause in the first page of the OYL stuff it shows what I thought was him landing on Earth but it said that was 68 years ago
I read somewhere, might've been in an interview, that something did indeed land 68 years before that tribute-movie in DC continuity and that it will be explained in the future.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=9211743
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[Not Jake]

So you guys what do you think will be better when this arc is over, Superman or Action Comics? I wish they would stay connected, I like reading new chapters of a story only two weeks apart.:o Regardless, I am really hoping one will be amazing and the other just OK so I can ease up on the ol' wallet.

[Darthphere]

So you guys what do you think will be better when this arc is over, Superman or Action Comics? I wish they would stay connected, I like reading new chapters of a story only two weeks apart.:o Regardless, I am really hoping one will be amazing and the other just OK so I can ease up on the ol' wallet.


Same here, my wallet needs one of them to suck, like when Chuck Austen was on Action.

[Spike_x1]

Not impressed with the latest ish.

[The Question]

I'm really not digging the return of super intelect. The whole point of Clark being a writer is that it's a job where his powers don't give him any advantages. Now, with super brain powers, they do. And I'm also not digging Clark being able to hear and see everything that's going on all over the world. And Lex was written very two dimensionally in the latest issue.

[yahman]

I'm really not digging the return of super intelect. The whole point of Clark being a writer is that it's a job where his powers don't give him any advantages. Now, with super brain powers, they do. And I'm also not digging Clark being able to hear and see everything that's going on all over the world. And Lex was written very two dimensionally in the latest issue.

I wish i had bought it .... I cant wait for the trade. :)

[regwec]

Superman has had Superbrains at some points in his history, but I've never liked it much. He does need to be able to process information extremely quickly in order to fly at supersonic speeds through urban areas, but his heightened neural capacity needs to be confined to physical applications.

My greatest reservation about the current run is that Superman's costume has aquired some of the pointless accents and eccentricities of Brandon Routh's.

[yahman]

Superman has had Superbrains at some points in his history, but I've never liked it much. He does need to be able to process information extremely quickly in order to fly at supersonic speeds through urban areas, but his heightened neural capacity needs to be confined to physical applications.

My greatest reservation about the current run is that Superman's costume has aquired some of the pointless accents and eccentricities of Brandon Routh's.

Intelligence also has a broad meaning .... I consider myself to be philosophically quite estute, but im dsyleix and my social skills are below average. Many would consider Wayne Rooney to be a gennius of shorts, but have you ever heard him interviewed ? :)

[SpideyInATree]

I'm really digging the latest Superman arc but it's just acting like one big giant "See Superman Returns" vibe that irks me. I'm hoping that after the arc we get into, you know, Superman from the comic and not Movie Superman.

Adding stuff from the movie to the comic for Spidey didn't work...and it's not for Supes. Lets PLEASE try and keep them separate for crying out loud?

[Not Jake]

Intelligence also has a broad meaning .... I consider myself to be philosophically quite estute, but im dsyleix and my social skills are below average. Many would consider Wayne Rooney to be a gennius of shorts, but have you ever heard him interviewed ? :)
It's spelled D-Y-S-L-E-X-I-C, DUH. Learn to write.:mad:

[Darthphere]

The lastest issue was disappointing, nowhere as good as the others.

[Binker]

ACTION COMICS #840

SINCE THERE IS NOTHING HERE THAT WOULD BE A BIG DEAL SPOILER-WISE, I WILL BE GIVEN OUT THE WHOLE STORY.

REVIEW:
Story: On a small island next to Metropolis, Superman, after losing his powers temporary, fought Luthor raw. Afterwards, with his powers back, he flew back to the city and everyoen who saw him cheered. Everything was back to normal. Superman went to fixing destoyed buildings to fighting enemies again, and gave Jimmy Olsen a new signal watch after Jimmy gave Supes the man crystal Luthor used he recovered. After being with the public (signing photos for someone's kid, Goth girl wanting him to sign on her (lol), and a little girl giving him a picture she drew) Superman took the crystal and after realizing it was from his parents, he throws it to the artic and in an homage to Superman: The Movie, the Fortress of Solitude emerges. As his new home is now grown, Superman bits his pretzel and waits for what lies ahead.

In the last issue, I was wondering if Superman lost his powers again and how would he get it back. Thankfully it was for a short while and we didn't have to focus on that for most of the issue.

Anyway, this epilogue gave us an ending to the arc and a start up for beyond OYL. With the situation with Luthor done, Superman is now back in the DCU and in the issue shows why Superman is not only needed, and why we love him too.

Of course, we have another Superman Returns reference. Only this time, its not that Superman movie its the original, classic Superman: The Movie. I think we kinda knew that the Fortress from the movies (& Smallville) would appear. If not that, then just the crystals. Maybe we're getting both now. (Then again, that IS what we're getting). While we saw the outside, we don't see the inside. But we don't need to since we know what it is on the inside.

I guess one of the things from this issue and I think never occured in the comics at all was the powerless Superman fighting Lex Luthor. Superman gets beaten, black eyed and bleeds. Of course he fights back Lex and he gets the same things but we never saw Supes like this. Throughout most of this whole arc, he's been human. Then again, he's been like that for a year anyway. From Superman's own point of view, when he becomes powerless and fights Lex, I saw that as his human side that was who he was for a whole year coming out saying to Lex that he could've done much more if he didn't just focus on Superman and that the people of Metropolis, nor the city, wasn't his nor was it Supes.

That was similar to how Batman is now OYL as before IC, he saw a villian as a villian, nothign more nor less. Now in "FACE THE FACE", Batman saw someone like Harvey as someone who needed help and that he could save himself from the darkness that cursed him. Same thing here with Superman that he could tell Lex, from his heart, even if it was for one time, that Lex could've been a better person, even when Supes himself was gone for a whole year. But he didn't. I find that interesting.

Overall; this was a good issue and a great arc. With this issue, UP, UP & AWAY has ended as so as Superman OYL. Time to move on and see what else is in store.

RATING: 8.5/10

[Not Jake]

I think I'm sticking with Action and dropping Superman. I'd rather get more of Pete Woods' art than Pacheco's. I loved Woods stuff on this arc.

[Binker]

Well the next arc goes from Superman to Action and back to Superman for the finale. So for these arcs, you would have to get both titles anyway.

[Not Jake]

I thought the next arc was when they split into their own books:confused:

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought so, too. I haven't heard that they're sticking with the shared arcs.

[Not Jake]

It's possible, I guess Busiek is still writing both, but I would've figured that they would have just kept Woods on both books if they were still connected. Hmm.

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe Woods couldn't swing it. He's a fairly detailed artist. Although I'm more concerned about whether Pacheco will be able to maintain a monthly schedule and the level of quality shown on the covers.

[Not Jake]

I saw that one cover of Supes holding up a car. Not that impressed, Pacheco made Supes look asian:o

Maybe I'm just spoiled by Pete Woods:(

Of course, those new Action covers are terrible. SUPERMAN TO ALIENS: WE'LL SMACK YOU UP

[TheCorpulent1]

I tend to not really look at Pacheco's style for faces or anything. He's definitely an action artist first and foremost. Kind of like how you'd never look at McDaniel for faces. Woods is great all around, but his action scenes were a bit stiff in the Superman/AC arc, I thought.

[Binker]

I made a mistake. There will be two different teams on the two titles on two different storylines. Checking the trilogy arc in Action, and the other arc in Superman that I don't know how long that'll last, I'm up in the air of which to get (if any).

Both are interesting ideas.

The Action arc is interesting because I would suspect many would think if Superman's return was actually rue and if he was the real Superman. The problem is that at the end of Up, Up & Away clearly shows that THAT is the real Superman. So if everyone knows that, why would there be a problem in this arc?

The Superman arc is also interesting because it says there is problems dealing with him, Lois & Lana. While it could be something else, I would imagine this would deal with Clark as Superman again after a year not being him. But I believe the arc won't be needed and thus not worth getting.

See my problem....?

[GoldenAgeHero]

ill still get both.

[Assassin]

i hope they stick with the realistic costume look (seems on the sides and such) and i like the raised s.

woods is awsome

[The Caped Knight]

I just finshed reading Up,up and away ! The finale.

Great ending to Sups : OYL story arc .

And I'm glad THE FORTRESS OF SOULITUDE is back in The artic . Where it belongs .

[TheCorpulent1]

i hope they stick with the realistic costume look (seems on the sides and such) and i like the raised s.

woods is awsome
The costume's no more realistic than his normal one. :confused:

[Darthphere]

The costume's no more realistic than his normal one. :confused:


He means the gayer SR version.

[Assassin]

no, i mean the seams in every ones costumes, the guy who drew lex luthor man of steel did that too.

it makes it look more realistic.

[Darthphere]

WHy would you care about realism in a Superman comic?

[Assassin]

ohh and i have no problem about the new fortress, as long as the wall of intergalactic weapons (with the lightsaber of ourse) and the intergalactic zoo come back

[Assassin]

WHy would you care about realism in a Superman comic?

i said i liked the way it looks, **** you :mad:

[supes_el]

Woods art on this was phenomenal. He did a great job as did the writers.

Supes has a new FoS in the arctic. Jimmy has his Supes watch back. CK is back to his old status at the Daily Planet (not reliable status). Very good arc with great art.

Cant wait till the next issue.

[The Caped Knight]

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3783/newfos2hy.jpg
The New FOS .

[GoldenAgeHero]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/July06previews/sm_654_10.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/July06previews/sm_654_11.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/July06previews/sm_654_12.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/July06previews/sm_654_13.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/July06previews/sm_654_14.jpg

[Anubis]

Man, that art is beautiful.

[SpideyInATree]

Is that Carlos Pacheo's artwork?

Isn't the other Kubert brother doing a Superman title?

My only complaint is the embossed "S". Yes, I know Superman Returns was released recently, but for the love of God lets keep something from the comics there for crying out loud.

[Darthphere]

Pacheco makes everyone look mexican.

[Anubis]

Is that Carlos Pacheo's artwork?

Isn't the other Kubert brother doing a Superman title?

My only complaint is the embossed "S". Yes, I know Superman Returns was released recently, but for the love of God lets keep something from the comics there for crying out loud.

I like the raised :supes: , at least it's still big.

[Anubis]

Pacheco makes everyone look mexican.

Jimmy doesn't look Mexican, Porto Rican maybe, but not Mexican.

[Darthphere]

Jimmy doesn't look Mexican, Porto Rican maybe, but not Mexican.


Damn PR's! Lets go Jets.

[SpideyInATree]

I like the raised :supes: , at least it's still big.

Yeah, that's the one positive. That's what bothered me about the movie. I mean...isn't the point of having the "S" there so THE BAD GUYS CAN SEE IT?!?!

I just don't see the point in having it be embossed simply because of the movie. It just reminds me of the Spider-Man organic webbing fiasco. The web shooters were working just fine for 40 years, there was no need to change it.

Just like this "S" business. It was fine the way it was all those DECADES.

From what I hear the movie hasn't been doing that well anyway. :o

[Anubis]

It hasn't made X-3 money, but it's doing well enough to ensure a sequal at least. A sequal that would actually have Supes fighting somebody for a change.

[TheCorpulent1]

What are you talking about, Supes totally fought people in SR. There was that dude on the rooftop, then Lex, then Lex's goons, and don't forget about the time Supes fought a plane. He kicked that plane's ass.

[Darthphere]

What are you talking about, Supes totally fought people in SR. There was that dude on the rooftop, then Lex, then Lex's goons, and don't forget about the time Supes fought a plane. He kicked that plane's ass.


He ripped off his wings and ****.:eek: :eek: :eek:

[onceasaint]

Pacheco makes everyone look mexican.


-is mexican- :up:


You say that like its a bad thing.

[Not Jake]

I don't think I can make the transition from Woods to Pacheco. I even understand that Pacheco's art is actually pretty good.

why is Lois wearing a melted bald cap

[onceasaint]

I don't think I can make the transition from Woods to Pacheco. I even understand that Pacheco's art is actually pretty good.

why is Lois wearing a melted bald cap

Its all the rage in Paris these days

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think I can make the transition from Woods to Pacheco. I even understand that Pacheco's art is actually pretty good.

why is Lois wearing a melted bald cap
I didn't get that either. Apparently Pacheco has some kind of thing against volume.

[Darthphere]

Its a typical hispanic looking haircut, which just backs up my claim. Pacheco draws everybody mexican.

[TheCorpulent1]

It looks more like a typical supermodel haircut to me. The kind that normal people think is hideous but fashion moguls adore.

[Spike_x1]

Great art. I love that the \S/ and the sleeves are back to normal. :up:

[Superman \S/]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/July06previews/sm_654_10.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/July06previews/sm_654_11.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/July06previews/sm_654_12.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/July06previews/sm_654_13.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/July06previews/sm_654_14.jpg

Pacheo is gonna rule, i can't wait for this.

-\S/

[Spike_x1]

Looks like Intergang stole Blindspot's old gimmick by using the camouflage tech. Be neat if those guys had Blindspot's prometheum knuckles to try to lay a solid punch on Superman.

[Superman \S/]

I agree that would be awesome Spike.

[kiuju2k]

Damn this is gonna be good. I'll pick it up.

What are you talking about, Supes totally fought people in SR. There was that dude on the rooftop, then Lex, then Lex's goons, and don't forget about the time Supes fought a plane. He kicked that plane's ass.


Yeah all without even throwing a punch if i can remember correctly.

[Dwarf lord]

My one problem with Up up and away was that Perry White seemed to regress a lot. I've always thought Perry sort of always knew Clark's secret, but never mentioned it. So, therefore it would seem odd for him to yell at Clark at the end. It would seem odd anyways, seeing as Clark and Lois are practically the most dependable reporters there.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Pacheco makes everyone look mexican.
Strange, as he is Spanish.

[TheCorpulent1]

My one problem with Up up and away was that Perry White seemed to regress a lot. I've always thought Perry sort of always knew Clark's secret, but never mentioned it. So, therefore it would seem odd for him to yell at Clark at the end. It would seem odd anyways, seeing as Clark and Lois are practically the most dependable reporters there.
Clark's not going to be dependable anymore. Maybe the year of Clark being completely consistent put Perry's suspicions to rest, so when Clark disappeared again in "Up, Up, and Away" Perry just thought he was being a douche.

[onceasaint]

A return to Super-Dickery?

[Darthphere]

Strange, as he is Spanish.


Thats great so are a plethora of other artists who dont draw characters to look hispanic.


Note* Im hispanic.

[onceasaint]

Its the revolution... we're telling you now.. cause its a very James Bond villainy thing to do. We're slowly turning all your characters mexican. Blue Beetle? One soldier down. Soon we'll have the return of Bat Hombre! :up:

[Dwarf lord]

Clark's not going to be dependable anymore. Maybe the year of Clark being completely consistent put Perry's suspicions to rest, so when Clark disappeared again in "Up, Up, and Away" Perry just thought he was being a douche.

I don't know. It just felt like a big regression for the character.

[Darthphere]

I never gotten that Clark not being dependable. He could write an article up in a couple of seconds. It always seemed like BS to me.

[onceasaint]

Maybe Perry is just a punctuality-nazi.

It just irks him that Clark can run off all day and still bring stories.

It could even be the fact the guys from Smallville, so Perry expects him to be all old fashioned, at his desk all day unless he's 'chasing a lead'. He gets near the same results as Lois, but it looks like he's doing 1/3 of the work.

[The Caped Knight]

SUPERMAN # 654 "On Our Special Day"

Today is Lois & Superman's 12'th Anniversary since Their very first flight together-[from Superman post crisis comic MAN OF STEEL #1] To celebrate this special day Clark plans to surprise Lois with breakfast in bed. However due to Intergang, Clark has to cancle his plans and battle Neutron as SUPERMAN in Midtown Metropolis . Later in the issue Clark tries to make it up to Lois by having Lunch with her . Once again Clark has to break his plans to deal with Intergang as SUPERMAN . After having a very hard day both as Clark Kent & as SUPERMAN .

Clark heads home to find ..... Lois in a very hot and sexy lingerie outfit a bottle of champaign beside her, Lois knowing Clark had a hard day surprised Clark by completed all of his plum assignments giving to him by Perry in the issue. She also ordered dinner . But before dinner arrives Lois & Clark begin to dance on balcony of their appartment as their dance they begin to float in the air together still dancing and finally they get to celebrate the anniversary of their first flight together it end with a passionate kiss while still in the air .

I enjoyed the issue .


On a side note we find out Lana lang is now the CEO of Lexcorp :eek:

[Darthphere]

WTF?! That seems really really really really really really out of character.

[Green Lantern]

WTF?! That seems really really really really really really out of character.What does?

[Darthphere]

Lana Lang, CEO of Lexcorp.

[onceasaint]

Superman history/continuity isnt one of my best subjects... so since when does Lana know how to run a corporation? Was she anything close to a CEO of something before?

[The Caped Knight]

Lana Lang, CEO of Lexcorp.

I know WTF is lana doing as Lexcorp CEO ? I thought Bruce Wayne gave the job to Talia al Ghul .

[Green Lantern]

But she pretty well liquidated the company :o

[onceasaint]

mmm.... liquid company

[The Caped Knight]

Also in this issue an old friend from Clark's 8 years global journey around the world . calls for him to come to Kazakhstan . Dr Carolyn LLwellyn : The World's Foremost Arcanobiologist . Or as Clark calls her "callie" .

[Mister J]

What was up with Mannheim? My first thought was Darkseid, but they dismissed that pretty quickly.

Looks like something big is going to break with this Callie Llewellyn/Kazakhstan thing.

I'm still laughing over Lana Lang, CEO of Lexcorp.

All in all, a nice "A Day in the Life of Superman" ish.

[The Caped Knight]

Here are some scans from the issue.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/6669/s65482zf.jpg
{I love the look on Clark's face when he see Lois dress up like that.} lol

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9130/s65493qs.jpg
See this is one of the many reason why I love Lois, She has complete faith in her husband. Clark has so much going on right now, he could barely think straight, so to see Lois help him pick up the slack showed what a great team Lane & Kent are.


http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/536/s6549104di.jpg
a nice way to celebrate their first flight . :supes:

[Darthphere]

Seriously, this needs to stop. Wait a few days before scanning pages from the comic.

[The Caped Knight]

Seriously, this needs to stop. Wait a few days before scanning pages from the comic.

How many days ?

[Darthphere]

How many days ?


Use your discretion I say the weekend.

[sethcohen]

just post a link to the image and put a spoiler disclaimer...

[The Caped Knight]

Use your discretion I say the weekend.


Ok i'll post the scans for this week's issue of 52 on the weekend .

[Darthphere]

Calm down Seth,

[sethcohen]

i am calm! im freakin' calm! dont push me! dont make me do something ill regret!! oh no! padme! what have i done... ah well, plent of other stars in the galaxy right? time to loot and plunder vader style... what? you wanna throw down obi wan? whats the worst that could happen? im super handsome and brooding and totally the best jedi ever... ill be cruising mos eiselly for space hos in no time...

[yenaled]

Seriously, this needs to stop. Wait a few days before scanning pages from the comic.

Agreed. I saw those scans before the comic had even come out here.

[kiuju2k]

I don't mind it. Don't look in the thread if it bothers you i still picked the book up theres other stuff in there. Simple as that.

[Darthphere]

I don't mind it. Don't look in the thread if it bothers you i still picked the book up theres other stuff in there. Simple as that.


SInce you dont mind no one else does. :rolleyes:

[Darthphere]

Anybody just roll their eyes at the Superman Returns billboard?

[GoldenAgeHero]

i sure as hell did.

[Darthphere]

God, I hate product placement in comics. :(

[kiuju2k]

I mean it makes the most sense. Nobodys fault but your own.

[Darthphere]

I mean it makes the most sense. Nobodys fault but your own.


Its called common courtesy. Learn it, live it. I realize it says spoilers on the top of the page but as has been said why not just post links to the scans?

[Mister J]

Anybody just roll their eyes at the Superman Returns billboard? That's nothing. What really burned my biscuit was the obvious TGI Friday's ripoff on the opposite page.
"Tuesday's" :rolleyes: :(

[yenaled]

I loved this issue, I just adore the way Busiek writes Clark/Superman.

[Darthphere]

That's nothing. What really burned my biscuit was the obvious TGI Friday's ripoff on the opposite page.
"Tuesday's" :rolleyes: :(


Ever heard of Ruby Tuesdays?

[Anubis]

They have some pretty good burgers.

[Mister J]

Ever heard of Ruby Tuesdays?
Curse you and your common sense approach, Darthphere! :mad:
I had already starting counting the money Friday's would forward me from informing them of a impending infringment lawsuit.

Now how am I going to finance my 'Bikini Girls with Machine Guns' movie? :(

They have some pretty good burgers.
Great, now I'm hungry.



Oh, how I loathe you all. :o

[Darthphere]

Lets go to Tuesday's Mister J, its on me.

[Darthphere]

I counted 23 Lois Lane asshots in this issue.

[Anubis]

That's nowhere near enough. If they want my money they're gonna have to double that number.

[Darthphere]

That's nowhere near enough. If they want my money they're gonna have to double that number.


I agree. And the bikini brief is bull****, just draw the thong already.

[Emerald Knight]

I loved the fact that they actually "debuted" the science police in this issue, the "authority" figures in the Legion of Superheroes. I couldn't help but fall out of my seat laughing when I saw that. :up: :D

[onceasaint]

Lois is a no-nonsense reporter with a devil-may-care attitude, she has no time or patience for visible panty-lines! :mad:

[Binker]

Do you think I need to make a review of this issue?

[onceasaint]

Wasnt there already one up?

[kiuju2k]

Its good.

[Darthphere]

Damn, I miscounted it was 27 ass-shots.

[TheCorpulent1]

Artists can't seem to resist putting Lois in skimpy clothes. Good story, though. Pacheco's art was great, for the most part. Some weird faces here and there, but otherwise very good. I'm glad Busiek is involved in both Superman series for the time being. He seems to have a really good handle on Superman. :up:

Question: is this Llewellyn chick from the Birthright mini? I quit reading that trash halfway through.

[onceasaint]

Damn, I miscounted it was 27 ass-shots.

Running away from supervillains + pilates = an ass you can bounce a quarter off of :up:

[Darthphere]

Artists can't seem to resist putting Lois in skimpy clothes. Good story, though. Pacheco's art was great, for the most part. Some weird faces here and there, but otherwise very good. I'm glad Busiek is involved in both Superman series for the time being. He seems to have a really good handle on Superman. :up:

Question: is this Llewellyn chick from the Birthright mini? I quit reading that trash halfway through.


Birthright was awesome *******! And Im not sure, I doubt it, since its OOC now.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes, Birthright was awesomely bad. That's why I stopped reading it.

[Darthphere]

Yes, Birthright was awesomely bad. That's why I stopped reading it.


You suck.:up: I bet it reads better now since its a glorified elseworlds now.

[onceasaint]

I didnt like the story, but I didnt hate it.

The developing his Clark Kent persona with his mom was nice.

[TheCorpulent1]

You suck.:up: I bet it reads better now since its a glorified elseworlds now.
Since it doesn't count in continuity anymore, I might find it better. I'm not that interested in finishing it, though. I'll let it sit in my thoughts as one of Waid's few pieces of crap, just to humanize him so I don't rebuild my shrine.

[JTStarkiller]

Is Byrne's Man of Steel still the official origin?

[TheCorpulent1]

No idea. They still haven't clarified the whole deal with that 1938 bit at the beginning of "Up, Up, and Away," much less given us a definitive post-IC origin for Supes.

[Darthphere]

Theyre going to do a new origin.

[TheCorpulent1]

Where's that gonna be? I've only heard of Confidential, but that's more like an Untold Tales format than a new origin.

[Darthphere]

Didio said it at some panel. I think at Heroes Con or the one before that, pretty much said Brithright was now OOC and a new origin was going to be done.

[TheCorpulent1]

That makes me happy. :)

[Darthphere]

Me too actually, I like Birthright, but lets be honest, that shouldnt be the official origin.

[TheCorpulent1]

I agree, except for the part about liking Birthright.

[Darthphere]

LOL! You suck, teh pictures are pretty.

[TheCorpulent1]

Leinil Yu's great. Birthright, however, is not.

[jaydawg]

Just like Lois' new haircut.

[TheCorpulent1]

That was kind of random, but yes. Birthright sucks like Lois' soggy new haircut.

[Binker]

So I don't have to make a review of this?

[Darthphere]

Go ahead if you want to.

[TheCorpulent1]

So I don't have to make a review of this?
Do any of us really have to do anything? I mean, in the grand, cosmic tapestry, what meaning do our actions truly have? We are but ants--nay, mites--witnessing but a fraction of a fraction of the divine weavings of space and time...

:confused:

[onceasaint]

Do any of us really have to do anything? I mean, in the grand, cosmic tapestry, what meaning do our actions truly have? We are but ants--nay, mites--witnessing but a fraction of a fraction of the divine weavings of space and time...

:confused:

Corp you sound like you also saw the new Venture Bros. episode on the Adult Swim site. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't, actually. I normally wait for the televised premieres because I was unaware that they premiered earlier on the website until now.

[onceasaint]

I didn't, actually. I normally wait for the televised premieres because I was unaware that they premiered earlier on the website until now.

The Friday Night Fix, gotta love it. I normally wait, but I was bored and couldnt sleep so I stayed up and watched it. Orpheus says something similar to what you said in the episode.

[supes_el]

Wel Pecheco did a phemomenal job with the art in this book....err....minus the butchered hair style that he have Lois. Man was that bad.

ANyway, the issue tself wasnt that bad. It showed CK juggling what he juggles in everyday life. Since I have no reason to drop this title means i'm waiting for the next issue.

[regwec]

Why does Lois wear those tiny knickers to bed? What's the point?

[TheCorpulent1]

Because they make her feel pretty?

[regwec]

They are superfluous. They provide no warmth or coverage, and she'd look better without them.

[TheCorpulent1]

But then the Superman comics would have to be in the adult section of the comic shop. :(

[regwec]

...or they could just spare us the gratuitous arse-shots, or give her more practical nocturnal garb.

[TheCorpulent1]

When has practicality ever been a major part of female wardrobes? :confused:

[regwec]

Fat girls, lesbians, and women in the grumpy Twix-eating phase.

[Green Lantern]

Fat girls, lesbians, and women in the grumpy Twix-eating phase.Not neccesarily. Theres one girl I work with, she has more rolls than a Little Debbie factory, and she wears shirts that don't have enough cloth to make a wash rag. :eek: :down

[TheCorpulent1]

Fat girls, lesbians, and women in the grumpy Twix-eating phase.
None of which describes Lois.

[regwec]

I can imagine her being a grumpy Twix-eater. Especially when Clark lost his super-speed.

[TheCorpulent1]

But it's been back since before this issue.

[regwec]

Yes. This is clearly a matter that requires further debate.

[onceasaint]

I maintain that lois's panties are due to her devil may care attitude and fierce dedication to journalism that has no patiences for visible panty lines, therefore she must always wear the skimpiest underwear possible.

[Darthphere]

Lois walks around in a thong because she can. Its her house, her rules, she wears the thong in that relationship.

[TheCorpulent1]

Except on roleplaying nights. Then Clark wears the thong.

[onceasaint]

Only Clark and Lois know that... and Bruce.. its part of one of his 'in case' plans that make him so popular with the league.

[regwec]

We have all previously agreed that Bruce has an intimate knowledge of what Lois does and does not wear to bed.

[JTStarkiller]

Richard Donner writing Action Comics for October. Is that old news?