Superman OYL - SPOILERS

[Johnny DC]

So, Superman 650 is out now.

***SPOILERS***















So it was Clark in Wizard who lost his power. I wonder how that happened. Now Kara is looking after the city for him.

Lex Luthor was charged with a whole lotta crimes, but has his lawyers to get him out of it. Just in case anyone who has the comic was wondering, the panel where he's holding the crystal in his limo, there's Kryptonian writing on it. I downloaded a Kryptonian font for MS Word not too long ago, so I was able to translate it. It says DOOMSDAY. Bum bum buuuuuummmm!

What did everyone else think of Supes' current situation?

[fifthfiend]

Wow, rememeber when they did the exact same thing, like, a dozen goddamn times? And how all of those were stupid and godawful?

Cause DC sure doesn't!

[kieron39]

how'd did you get the font!?!?!

[XwolverineX]

how'd did you get the font!?!?!


Yeah! :confused:

[Phoney Bone]

Cool.......I bet he loses it in a huge battle with Earth-2.......Like maybe their pwers will cancel out each other's.

[UK_Stu]

Cool.......I bet he loses it in a huge battle with Earth-2.......Like maybe their pwers will cancel out each other's.

I reckon its more likely somehow he allow E2 superman to have his powers, who'll then take out Alex/Anti-monitor/SP (main bad guy essentially), and die in the process - taking Supes powers with him.

Surely though it'll just be a matter of time before Clark gets his powers back though - doesn't he still get his powers charged by the yellow sun?

[Ultimate_Superman]

I want to know why didnt he have Conner look over the city for him. I mean come on now he needs to give Conner a chance instead of acting like he's never even heard of Conner.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, it's just a continuation of Superman's long-standing neglect of Conner. Either that or Conner's just not around after Infinite Crisis, which would suck. :(

[Ultimate_Superman]

Well, it's just a continuation of Superman's long-standing neglect of Conner. Either that or Conner's just not around after Infinite Crisis, which would suck. :(I mean come on now even Batman is not as cold to his Robins.

[krpton2]

So, Superman 650 is out now.

***SPOILERS***















So it was Clark in Wizard who lost his power. I wonder how that happened. Now Kara is looking after the city for him.

Lex Luthor was charged with a whole lotta crimes, but has his lawyers to get him out of it. Just in case anyone who has the comic was wondering, the panel where he's holding the crystal in his limo, there's Kryptonian writing on it. I downloaded a Kryptonian font for MS Word not too long ago, so I was able to translate it. It says DOOMSDAY. Bum bum buuuuuummmm!

What did everyone else think of Supes' current situation?


That's cool.http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[TheCorpulent1]

I mean come on now even Batman is not as cold to his Robins.
True. And it still galls me to see Clark cheering Kara on when he's basically treated Conner like ****.

[droogiedroogie2]

Um, by the way, a powerless Superman is ****ing stupid.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't see what the big deal is. It's obviously just temporary.

[Tamanon]

Um, by the way, a powerless Superman is ****ing stupid.

Now that I think about it, he might not've been powerless, just not giving up the secret that Clark is Superman by taking the punishment.

[TheCorpulent1]

He couldn't have miraculously bled if he still had his powers. Lex would've broken his fist.

[Tamanon]

Eh, I thought he had full control of his body functions....but was just throwing the idea out there.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think so. He had to shave by reflecting his heat vision off of mirrors when he had his powers. Why not just "power down" and use a razor?

[Kal-El 8]

True. And it still galls me to see Clark cheering Kara on when he's basically treated Conner like ****.

I think Clark does that because Kara is from Krypton {Argo City}, While Conner is a Clone of him & Lex Luthor.

Kara is a true Kryptonian like himself unlike Conner.

[droogiedroogie2]

I don't think so. He had to shave by reflecting his heat vision off of mirrors when he had his powers. Why not just "power down" and use a razor?Because the heat vision with mirrors thing is SO cooler.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think Clark does that because Kara is from Krypton {Argo City}, While Conner is a Clone of him & Lex Luthor.

Kara is a true Kryptonian like himself unlike Conner.
Who the **** gives a ****? He accepted Conner as part of his family, let him live with his foster parents, and allowed him to take his family name. If that is the case, thank God the Kents weren't as racist as Super-Hitler, otherwise Clark would've grown up an orphan on the streets. :o

[LibrarianThorne]

Connor Kent is still with the Titans OYL, and it's difficult to be in Metropolis and San Fran at the same time. Not to mention, Supes has been there for Connor after Connor had that whole psychotic episode thing. He likely just doesn't think Connor is up to the task of handling Metropolis yet. Now, why we see Supergirl instead of Steel is what really piqued my interest. Steel is the defender of Metropolis during 52, so why don't we see him there One Year Later?

And I think that this storyline is better than previous ones that involved the same theme. After all, this time Superman has had to live without his powers for a year. That's much more enlightening for Superman than merely losing his powers for a day or a week like he did in the pre-Crisis stories.

[fifthfiend]

Connor Kent is still with the Titans OYL, and it's difficult to be in Metropolis and San Fran at the same time. Not to mention, Supes has been there for Connor after Connor had that whole psychotic episode thing. He likely just doesn't think Connor is up to the task of handling Metropolis yet.

That'd be marginally more plausible if Connor and Supergirl weren't like 1:1 on psychotic episodes.

...Oh wait, she was Darkseid's *****, too. Make that 1:2.

And I think that this storyline is better than previous ones that involved the same theme. After all, this time Superman has had to live without his powers for a year. That's much more enlightening for Superman than merely losing his powers for a day or a week like he did in the pre-Crisis stories

... You know what, I'm just not even going to bother.

[LibrarianThorne]

That'd be marginally more plausible if Connor and Supergirl weren't like 1:1 on psychotic episodes.

...Oh wait, she was Darkseid's *****, too. Make that 1:2.



... You know what, I'm just not even going to bother.

And Superman's been posessed by Eclipso what, twice? And then there was the whole Gangbuster phase...

Point is, it's not that odd that he didn't tap Kon-El to protect Metropolis. Connor's got his stuff with the Titans, and Superman respects that. Not to mention Cassie, which he'd likely find out about from his parents if no one else. So Superman, being the intelligent kinda guy that he is, would feel much more comfortable tapping Kara Zor-El to defend Metropolis, as she has no personal attachments and could arrive within a moment's notice of recieving the signal. Something, I might add, that neither Superboy nor Steel could accomplish.

And Supes losing his powers for a year, obviously with no way to reclaim them (or he would have, doubtless), is going to give him a much different view of humanity. Recall that in the Birthright origin that Clark Kent is Super from the very beginning. He doesn't have the semi-normal life that the MoS Clark had. Perhaps this is Busiek and Johns' way of giving Birthright Superman the human perspective that was missing from the character.

[DBM]

Another point could simply be that Conner is not at Kara's level. It's been pretty obvious so far that Kara is stronger and faster than Conner. Conner may simply not be able to handle the level of supervillains that Superman does, but Kara, being closer to Supes in power, can handle them.

[Lackey]

True. And it still galls me to see Clark cheering Kara on when he's basically treated Conner like ****.


given Conner's "you're not my dad, you can't tell me what to do" attitude in the past... it's really not all Superman's fault.

Also, if you had a clone of you running around...it'd have to kind of weird you out. Plus, it's just more natural to be protective and nurturing to a female.

[fifthfiend]

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[TheCorpulent1]

Given how much of the Smallville stuff they're integrating into the comics' continuity, I wouldn't be surprised to find that Clark had similar attitude issues, just as Smallville Clark has had.

It's not all Superman's fault, but honestly, if you're supposed to be the single most responsible hero in the world, the beacon of hope that all others turn to, the paragon that all others aspire to, you'd think Clark would've worked a tad harder to build some kind of relationship between himself and Conner. For that matter, we get issue after issue of Wally, Dinah, and everyone else telling Batman that Dick could use an "I love you" here and there--why doesn't Robin let Superman know that all Conner wants is his acceptance and validation that he's actually doing a good job of following his example? Obviously I don't mean with the recent psycho stuff, but before that Conner was doing a great job of maturing and becoming a solid hero on Young Justice and the Titans. Instead, Superman tells Supergirl that she's doing well in Superman/Batman and several issues of Supergirl when she's been even angstier than Conner. It's a pretty crappy double-standard if you look at it from Conner's perspective.

[Johnny DC]

how'd did you get the font!?!?!
http://www.heroicimages.net/downloads_bar/downloads3.html
It's cool. If you decipher the Kryptonian in Superman: Birthright, most of it just reads "KRYPTONIAN GIBBERISH"

I didn't actually think Clark lost his power at first; I thought he had just bit his lip really hard when they punched him or something. But then I read the preview for Action Comics in the back of the comic... :(

[TheCorpulent1]

Here's a question: why doesn't Lex know that Clark is Superman anymore? I got the impression that he didn't know in this issue, but he clearly did when he was the president and shortly before. My guess is that the whole insanity thing during IC conveniently erased parts of his memory.

[Tamanon]

Wait, which Lex was President Lex after all? Lex or Alex?:P

[kieron39]

http://www.heroicimages.net/downloads_bar/downloads3.html
It's cool. If you decipher the Kryptonian in Superman: Birthright, most of it just reads "KRYPTONIAN GIBBERISH"

I didn't actually think Clark lost his power at first; I thought he had just bit his lip really hard when they punched him or something. But then I read the preview for Action Comics in the back of the comic... :(
ok i saved it but how do i get to use it on MS word?

[fifthfiend]

Here's a question: why doesn't Lex know that Clark is Superman anymore? I got the impression that he didn't know in this issue, but he clearly did when he was the president and shortly before. My guess is that the whole insanity thing during IC conveniently erased parts of his memory.

Naw, Manchester Black wiped it out of his mind. It was a while back.

[TheCorpulent1]

ok i saved it but how do i get to use it on MS word?
Copy it into C:\Windows\Fonts

[Ultimate_Superman]

ok i saved it but how do i get to use it on MS word? Like this

[Johnny DC]

Wait, which Lex was President Lex after all? Lex or Alex?:P
It was Lex. Alex didn't show up until Villians United. ...I think.

[Ultimate_Superman]

It was Lex. Alex didn't show up until Villians United. ...I think. but thats not what Lex was saying in OYL.

[BrianWilly]

Connor Kent is still with the Titans OYL, and it's difficult to be in Metropolis and San Fran at the same time.Wait, he's what now? How do we know this?

[Ultimate_Superman]

Wait, he's what now? How do we know this?He is guessing.

[LibrarianThorne]

Wait, he's what now? How do we know this?

As much as he's been talking about sticking with the Titans and the whole comradeship thing, not to mention him being first to the tower to answer NIghtwing's call for help...

I don't see how anything short of Superboy getting killed is going to keep him off of the Titans.

[Phoney Bone]

I think Clark does that because Kara is from Krypton {Argo City}, While Conner is a Clone of him & Lex Luthor.

Kara is a true Kryptonian like himself unlike Conner.
Connor is his red-headed stepchild.

[Johnny DC]

Like this
Thanks for showing me how to post in Kryptonian. Someone should make a thread were we're only allowed to type like this.

[Ultimate_Superman]

that would be nice but if someone doesnt have the font on their computer it shows up normal.

[Lackey]

Here's a question: why doesn't Lex know that Clark is Superman anymore? I got the impression that he didn't know in this issue, but he clearly did when he was the president and shortly before. My guess is that the whole insanity thing during IC conveniently erased parts of his memory.

Alexander Luthor posing as Lex is the one that new Clark's identity. the real Lex hasn't known since he was president thanks for Manchester Black.

[Johnny DC]

that would be nice but if someone doesnt have the font on their computer it shows up normal.
Oh...damn it. And here I thought nobody could read what I was writing.:O

[kieron39]

Copy it into C:\Windows\Fonts
i try copying, and even cutting it, and its not working.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Oh...damn it. And here I thought nobody could read what I was writing.:ORight but it is fun for those who do have it on their computers.

[Ultimate_Superman]

i try copying, and even cutting it, and its not working.Like this [FONT] only with the / before the second font like posting a picture. in other words [FONT=Kryptonian]Like This

[Johnny DC]

i try copying, and even cutting it, and its not working.
No, you copy the whole file into C:\Windows\Fonts on your computer.

[Lackey]

or you could go to the control panel, open up fonts and then click on the file menu and select install new fonts

[TheCorpulent1]

Alexander Luthor posing as Lex is the one that new Clark's identity. the real Lex hasn't known since he was president thanks for Manchester Black.
Oh, I wasn't reading Superman comics around that time.

[BrianWilly]

I don't see how anything short of Superboy getting killed is going to keep him off of the Titans.Honestly, at this point? Him not surviving is probably one of the more likely outcomes of the Crisis.

[LibrarianThorne]

Honestly, at this point? Him not surviving is probably one of the more likely outcomes of the Crisis.

True enough, sadly. I really hope they don't, as Superboy's such a good character.

[TimDrake64x]

i will be seriously pissed if they kill him, but come on, if he dies, i wouldnt see it being much longer till he came back to life

[Lackey]

Oh, I wasn't reading Superman comics around that time.


it was a subplot of Jeph Loeb's that seemed to be building to something good, but then he moved on without having time to do anything with it so Joe Kelly just used Manchester Black to tie up the loose end.

[Spike_x1]

http://www.heroicimages.net/downloads_bar/downloads3.html
It's cool. If you decipher the Kryptonian in Superman: Birthright, most of it just reads "KRYPTONIAN GIBBERISH"I actually knew that already because I memorized the Kryptonian alphabet years ago when they first introduced it.

[TheCorpulent1]

I actually knew that already because I memorized the Kryptonian alphabet years ago when they first introduced it.
You are officially creepy...

[Spike_x1]

You should have seen some of my posts on the old CINO board. You don't know my kind of creepy. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't want to. :(

[Spike_x1]

At least I don't know Klingon. Or Elvish. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Neither do I.

[yenaled]

Neither do I. Q'apla!

[TimDrake64x]

lol, wow this just got really weird, so back to supes...

[Green Lantern]

I know some elvish :O

[fifthfiend]

lol, wow this just got really weird, so back to supes...

I don't know, can Supes speak Klingon?

[supes_el]

If Star Trek exists in the DCU (which i am pretty sure does...as i remember someone saying something about Star Trek one time) then yes, I assume Supes knows Klingon :)

Okay, NOW back to Supes...really ^^

Man I so wanted Conner to be defending Metroplis...He better not be dead...Not after TT Annual 1...On another note, Luther has now resorted to street thug tactics..lol

[Binker]

SUPERMAN #650

REVIEW:
This is it! One Year Later (OYL). This point is a new beginning for old readers but THE beginning for new readers. In terms of Superman, setting him up in OYL, they mentioned what they wanted to do with him. I didn't want to listen to their plans so I can read this freshly.

Let's go, THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR...!

Story: Its been a year since anyone has seen Superman. Reason? Clark Kent has been stripped of his powers. But is he down on his luck? Nope. As he says, its been a good year and a good life for him since. But Luthor is freed from jail. And because Clark has been badmouthign Luthor, Lex has it out for Clark. And he has something, something...Kryptonian.

This issue felt somethign for me. It felt refreshing, open, light, it was great. Again, just like Detective #817 and pretty much every OYL title, this is a setup story. But despite that, you get your money's worth. Theres action of not SuperMAN but SuperGIRL, scenes of Lois and Clark that is love, the bad guy scenes of Luthor, and a shocker.

Everythign here was real and bright. Of course, people have been complaining about this issue because it uses the Daily Planet and its globe from Superman Returns. I don't find it bad. Its only when they use TOO MUCH from the film that I would find it problematic.

The shocker? Wanna know it now? Well theres a scene where Luthor takes out a kryptonian crystal with kryptonian markings on it. Take the Kryptonian font that you can dl and translate what it says. What does it say? DOOMSDAY.

To end this, this was a great issue. Despite the fact it was a setup, its still good for old readers and the same goes for new ones. OYL is looking good.

RATING: 8.5/10

[Johnny DC]

If Star Trek exists in the DCU (which i am pretty sure does...as i remember someone saying something about Star Trek one time) then yes, I assume Supes knows Klingon :)

Okay, NOW back to Supes...really ^^

Man I so wanted Conner to be defending Metroplis...He better not be dead...Not after TT Annual 1...On another note, Luther has now resorted to street thug tactics..lol
He can't be dead. What if he got Wonder Girl preggy? Did they use protection?

[Spike_x1]

EDIT: sorry, I'm half asleep and don't know what's going on.

[TimDrake64x]

He can't be dead. What if he got Wonder Girl preggy? Did they use protection?

if he did then the oyl would be a great way to do it cause then u dont have to show her pregnant and such and it just works itself out

[HAL 9000]

He can't be dead. What if he got Wonder Girl preggy? Did they use protection?
Protection? A condom wouldn't work against super-man juice. It would have had to have been made of Kryptonite or something, and I'm sure that would have been painful for Cassie.

[regwec]

I must say that the Supergirl issue is the worst possible scennario as far as I am concerned: she isn't dead, and she is still being worshipped by writers despite her overwhelming shortcomings.

As for Clark losing his powers, Alex Luthor said, in I.C. Secret Files: "He's dead. He's alive. He's Changed. He's normal again. It's like he went through some kind of cycle". Is it possible that Clark's current state is a part of an extended cycle?

[TimDrake64x]

wow man thats trippy

[Binker]

They talked about Clark and Lois on their panels. Please tell me that ain't breaking up.

[Emerald Knight]

This is one of the few titles I’m still collecting after the Infinite Crisis. I am enjoying it so far, what with Lex having the crystal, Superman being human, I cannot wait to see what happens next.

And I'm also quite enjoying the use of Kryptonian font.

can't wait to confuse all my friends on AIM :D

[Spike_x1]

I'm hoping for a chance to use it in the DC RPG, but I have to get a character who knows Kryptonese before I can credibly do it. :(

[Emerald Knight]

I'm hoping for a chance to use it in the DC RPG, but I have to get a character who knows Kryptonese before I can credibly do it. :(

Damn…Oh well…Here’s to hoping :up:

[Ultimate_Superman]

This is one of the few titles I’m still collecting after the Infinite Crisis. I am enjoying it so far, what with Lex having the crystal, Superman being human, I cannot wait to see what happens next.

And I'm also quite enjoying the use of Kryptonian font.

can't wait to confuse all my friends on AIM :D
doesn't work unless they have that font on their computer as well.

[Emerald Knight]

doesn't work unless they have that font on their computer as well.

Damn…Guess I’ll have to link them to the site…Ruins the surpriseL

[Ultimate_Superman]

Damn…Guess I’ll have to link them to the site…Ruins the surpriseL
Yep

[Tamanon]

Lying in the Gutters actually raised a good point. This year without powers means that Superman theoretically should be able to have a kid with Lois. Maybe that's what those three words that change his life forever are after all. I'd actually enjoy that personally.

[TheCorpulent1]

Mxyzptlk kept insinuating that Clark and Lois could have a baby on the way in Rucka's Adventures of Superman run. Given that Rucka's a major player on the "new" OYL DC universe, I'd say it's a good bet.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Mxyzptlk kept insinuating that Clark and Lois could have a baby on the way in Rucka's Adventures of Superman run. Given that Rucka's a major player on the "new" OYL DC universe, I'd say it's a good bet.

you know what would be funny, if darkside kidnapped the baby and raised him as his own. that'll be hilarious. ( i got the plot from an episode of the adventures of superman cartoon.:o

[Kal-El 8]

Mxyzptlk kept insinuating that Clark and Lois could have a baby on the way in Rucka's Adventures of Superman run. Given that Rucka's a major player on the "new" OYL DC universe, I'd say it's a good bet.

That's why I also think if they have a baby in the comics, Then The Kid in the upcoming Movie must also be Lois & Clark's kid .

[GoldenAgeHero]

That's why I also think if they have a baby in the comics, Then The Kid in the upcoming Movie must also be Lois & Clark's kid .

another reason why not to see the film.

[Binker]

They talked about Clark and Lois on their panels. Please tell me that ain't breaking up.

[Kal-El 8]

They talked about Clark and Lois on their panels. Please tell me that ain't breaking up.

Their not going to break up, The chances of that happing are A Million to One.


Q: Any babies in the future for Clark and Lois, or is the marriage going to get shakier after "Crisis"?

Matt Idelson: Well, Clark's got that baby with Catwoman... joke. The issue of having children is something that will come up, to be certain. I don't foresee the marriage getting shaky. Frankly, the odds of them breaking up are right up there with me becoming an astronaut, and I think the readers know that (the first part, at least). Why waste their time teasing that the marriage is going to crumble when we all know it's not? We've got plenty of other fun, dramatic things to focus on instead.

[The Batman]

Thats great...as if the boring marriage werent bad enough, now superbaby is on the way....

[Kal-El 8]

Thats great...as if the boring marriage werent bad enough, now superbaby is on the way....

I love their Marriage, It's byfar The Best Superhero couple ever. As for The Superbaby. It's about bloody time, they have a child. :up: :up: :supes:

[Spike_x1]

Their marriage is usually anything but boring, but yeah, the potential of a baby kinda sucks. A LOT.

IMHO.

[Ultimate_Superman]

but wouldn't the baby be normal since during this time Superman was a human.

[TheCorpulent1]

What's so wrong with a baby, other than the fact that it'd likely be the most neglected child on the planet?

[GoldenAgeHero]

i just dont see the point of giving them a baby.

[Ultimate_Superman]

i just dont see the point of giving them a baby.You dont like the Superman family to much do you?

[Spike_x1]

I don't know about GAH, but I just don't like children that much.

[TheCorpulent1]

Me either, in real life. But the emotional subplots that a kid can provide in a narrative are pretty interesting, and it'd be some of that nice, long-sought-after new material that people claim Superman needs so much.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Me either, in real life. But the emotional subplots that a kid can provide in a narrative are pretty interesting, and it'd be some of that nice, long-sought-after new material that people claim Superman needs so much.

i dunno how a baby can make the supermanm mythos any better:confused:

hey look we have a baby, omg he has powers:eek:.......:down i can tell you right now this new "material aint gonna last long" and i hope if they do have a baby, that its a boy. the only person taht should stay away from having abies, is bruce. i just cant see it. and dont give me that itll be cool to see him with a baby, when there are couples out there, who dont even wana have children, so i rather have bruce be wanna those people.

[marcofthebeast]

Well Grant Morrison is giving Bruce a kid. I think they are putting Son of the Demon back into continuity. Which means bruce has a 12-16 year old son.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Well Grant Morrison is giving Bruce a kid. I think they are putting Son of the Demon back into continuity. Which means bruce has a 12-16 year old son.

as longasits not a baby, its cool with me, i just dont want him having a damn baby.

[Ultimate_Superman]

as longasits not a baby, its cool with me, i just dont want him having a damn baby.You mean you dont want to read about or see him raise a baby but your okay with him having kids.

[Tamanon]

Well Grant Morrison is giving Bruce a kid. I think they are putting Son of the Demon back into continuity. Which means bruce has a 12-16 year old son.

Maybe this means they'll stop killing Robins:)

[marcofthebeast]

Maybe this means they'll stop killing Robins:)
No, that means it'll be a lot more erotic when they do, if you no what I mean ;)

[GoldenAgeHero]

You mean you dont want to read about or see him raise a baby but your okay with him having kids.


a kid, as in one. and if they bring his son who like a previous poster said is 12-16 years old, ill just see him as another robin.:o

[TheCorpulent1]

I wouldn't want to see Bruce with an actual child of his own, myself. At least not one he's raising. It doesn't really fit with the character as I think of him. Having a child fits perfectly with Clark and Lois, though. They've got a perfectly healthy married life and Clark's always seemed to have a soft spot for children when he's out superheroing. He also still remembers the false reality from "For the Man Who Has Everything," too.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I wouldn't want to see Bruce with an actual child of his own, myself. At least not one he's raising. It doesn't really fit with the character as I think of him. Having a child fits perfectly with Clark and Lois, though. They've got a perfectly healthy married life and Clark's always seemed to have a soft spot for children when he's out superheroing. He also still remembers the false reality from "For the Man Who Has Everything," too.Not for Conner who is like his son or brother.:(

[TheCorpulent1]

Conner is definitely not like his son. I don't think he's ever viewed Conner as anything like his son. Brother, maybe. Generic younger relative is more like it.

[yenaled]

Yeah I've always seen it as more of a brother thing. There relationship usually mirrors "huge age gap" between brothers.

[regwec]

Bruce could concievably end up with two children- one from Selina and one from Talia- both of which he may possibly be ignorant.

Now we just need Cassandra to miss her period.

[Anubis]

Yeah, you know he had to have hit dat at some point.

[SpideyInATree]

They definitely peaked my interest. Gave Supes a chance again and it paid off. Lex Luthor...evil bad ass...yes, that I can read. Superman powerless? I can get into that.

I think the concern on my part is can I be kept a Superman reader after this arc is over?

[Lone]

Holy crap...I just read the preview for Detective Comics 818...Conner bites the big one in the Crisis...

Dammit, why do characters get offed just when I start to like them...:(

[Xan-El]

Holy crap...I just read the preview for Detective Comics 818...Conner bites the big one in the Crisis...

Dammit, why do characters get offed just when I start to like them...:(

THAT IS SO ****ING STUPIED! WHY WOULD THEY KILL OFF CONNER! **** WE JUST BEGIN TO LIKE HIM. HE IS SUCH A KICK ASS CHARACTER. HE IS JUST BEGININING TO LEARN HIS POWERS. I ****ING HATE THIS ****!!! I

[Xan-El]

Holy crap...I just read the preview for Detective Comics 818...Conner bites the big one in the Crisis...

Dammit, why do characters get offed just when I start to like them...:(

Where did you read that @ by the way?

[Lone]

I downloaded a b&w preview of the comic...

It doesn't show Conner's death, it was mentioned by Batman when he's discussing his plans for Tim with Alfred...I really like how Batman isn't much of an ******* anymore

Before you start calling me a pirate, I just wanna clarify that I do buy the comics if I like what I read...I'm one of those guys who likes to have backups of everything

[The Batman]

what else happens in the comic??

[Lone]

Hmm..I'm not sure if this is the proper thread for that...I'll post in your thread.

[The Batman]

I wonder why this wasnt mentioned in Supes 650...

[Lone]

I thought so too but then again, Supes did call Kara to save the day..

[The Sage]

Holy crap...I just read the preview for Detective Comics 818...Conner bites the big one in the Crisis...

Dammit, why do characters get offed just when I start to like them...:(

Don't say that.:(

[GoldenAgeHero]

I wonder why this wasnt mentioned in Supes 650...

simple: he doesnt care about conner:o

[ToddIsDead]

simple: he doesnt care about conner:o
Haha. That's what it seems like sometimes.

[Johnny DC]

It's just like a teenage horror flick: you screw, you die :(

[Tamanon]

I wonder why this wasnt mentioned in Supes 650...

Probably because it happens in IC #6 and they didn't wanna spoil things.

[ToddIsDead]

Probably because it happens in IC #6 and they didn't wanna spoil things.
I'd say that's a viable reason.

[GoldenAgeHero]

I'd say that's a viable reason.

Superboy prime beats his a$$ to death before supes gives earth2 supes his powers so he can lay the smack on hi. and theres a page where superman(our superman) holds conner like when he hold supergirl In COIE. that would be perfect!

[regwec]

You really are a one trick pony.

[Fledermaus]

I think the reason why they moved Teen Titans 34 back to the same week as IC 6 is because something that happens in IC 6 affects the TT roster OYL.
Wonder what that could be?

[fifthfiend]

You know somehow I hadn't seriously thought they'd actually go and kill Conner.

Ah, you know what, the heck with it, if they kill off Superboy I'm quitting this stupid habit. If I can kick smoking I can kick this.

Maybe I'll mail Dan Slott six bucks every month, just to let him know I care.

[GoldenAgeHero]

quitting what? comics?

[XwolverineX]

quitting what? comics?



His sexual fantasies with under 18 hot males in comics.

[Ultimate_Superman]

If they kill off Conner I am quitting Teen Titans.

[GoldenAgeHero]

If they kill off Conner I am quitting Teen Titans.

you might as well quit and take your own life........ cause you know people die in real life too:eek:

[Ultimate_Superman]

you might as well quit and take your own life........ cause you know people die in real life too:eek:well there is nothing more to say then your an ass. I can drop a book because they killed off one of my fav. heroes. Here's a spoiler for you alot of people do then when they kill off a person they like.:eek:

[Kurosawa]

Yep. I quit buying American comics for years after they killed Atom, Hourman and Dr. Mid-Nite in Zero Hour.

Killing Kon-El is a waste. But it won't make me quit collecting. Now if they kill Kal-L, I will quit.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Oh I am not going to stop buying comics just Teen Titans.

[GoldenAgeHero]

well there is nothing more to say then your an ass. I can drop a book because they killed off one of my fav. heroes. Here's a spoiler for you alot of people do then when they kill off a person they like.:eek:

the same thing applies to those people too. omg they killed my favorite second rate comic character, im gonna drop this book. by that logic they might as well take thier own lives becasue thier loved ones past away.

[fifthfiend]

quitting what? comics?

Yeah, I mean, at some point I just have to figure that whoever they are writing comics for nowadays, I ain't it.

They're jacking all the prices up now anyway, aren't they? Now's as good a time to get out as any.

His sexual fantasies with under 18 hot males in comics.

As opposed to your sexual fantasies with squat, stocky old men with excessive body hair.:o

[ToddIsDead]

the same thing applies to those people too. omg they killed my favorite second rate comic character, im gonna drop this book. by that logic they might as well take thier own lives becasue thier loved ones past away.
Maybe they're dropping the book because the character is the only reason they read it in the first place. If he's not there, and they don't care about the other characters, then why should they continue to read it?

[Spike_x1]

Because GAH said so.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Because GAH said so.

good man:up:

[XwolverineX]

As opposed to your sexual fantasies with squat, stocky old men with excessive body hair.:o



HEY! I'm allowed to enjoy whatever I want. :mad::down

[Xan-El]

If they kill off Conner I am quitting Teen Titans.

Same Here! Conner and Robin made that damm book and DC disrespects the fans by killing him off!

[Binker]

Where did they say Conner was dead?

[ToddIsDead]

Someone supposedly read an advanced copy of the next Detective Comics where Batman supposedly mentions it.

[Binker]

Can I see it?

[GoldenAgeHero]

Someone supposedly read an advanced copy of the next Detective Comics where Batman supposedly mentions it.

yeah i got the copy and he indeed mentions it. theres no supposedly, he absolutely mentions it.

[BrianWilly]

Conner is my favorite Teen Titan and I've read every. Single. Issue. Of his prior solo title and Young Justice run. To point out that he is one of my favorite characters in the DCU right now would be an understatement.

And with that said, I would not mind very much if he's killed in the Crisis. He's had a great role in a great story and much justice was done to his character, and that's more than almost anyone could hope for these days. If his death can be done in service to the story and in service to the character, which it seems like Johns would do, then I personally treat that as more important to my reading experience than "I like the character, I don't want him to go away!"

Death of a character is not disrespectful to a character or his/her fans. Death of a character that's stupid and needless is.

[The Batman]

i wish he were supernova, personally.

Maybe he's believed to be dead and is secretly supernova. maybe thats why clark didnt mention ***** death

[Xan-El]

I'm hearing some interesting stuff about Conner. These are just rumors. Appreantly Conner is going to pull a Superman. He is going to die but come back later on in the year. Superman keeps his body @ the fortress and keeps him in some type of suspended animation. He does some really cool stuff from what I hear with his body

[Fledermaus]

I'm hearing some interesting stuff about Conner. He does some really cool stuff from what I hear with his body

That's nasty.

[The Batman]

Probably because it happens in IC #6 and they didn't wanna spoil things.

but then why is it mentioned in detective comics?

EDIT: nevermind

[BrianWilly]

Where did you hear that, Xan-El?

[Xan-El]

Where did you hear that, Xan-El?

A buddy of mine. His uncle works for DC and he heard him talking about some stuff that was going on with a few of the characters.

[The Sage]

I'm hearing some interesting stuff about Conner. These are just rumors. Appreantly Conner is going to pull a Superman. He is going to die but come back later on in the year. Superman keeps his body @ the fortress and keeps him in some type of suspended animation. He does some really cool stuff from what I hear with his body

You've given me hope.

[MatchesMalone77]

Check out Lying in the Gutters in Comicbookresources.com to check the deleted panel where Batman mentions Connor's death.....

[ToddIsDead]

Check out Lying in the Gutters in Comicbookresources.com to check the deleted panel where Batman mentions Connor's death.....
Thanks, just checked it out. I hope what Xan-El says is true though.

[DBM]

Check out Lying in the Gutters in Comicbookresources.com to check the deleted panel where Batman mentions Connor's death.....

The link for easier access

http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13

[Fledermaus]

Another thing I'm left thinking, after seeing that panel, is Bruce going to try to adopt Tim again?

[Binker]

Thats from Robin comic or Batman?

[TimDrake64x]

this is freakin crazy stuff. u know that if he dies he will come back to life, just how long it will take is the question

[Fledermaus]

Thats from Robin comic or Batman?

a future issue of Detective, 818 i think.

[fifthfiend]

Actually what's really going to happen is Superboy's going to fly into the sun and become Superboy Prime Prime, and then he's going to beat up Superboy Prime, who's going to die, and then Superboy Prime Prime is going to be like okay everybody, now it's the SOLID GOLD AGE! Do the Hustle, *****es!

No seriously my dad is the brother of the uncle of the third cousin of the guy who washed the car of a guy who once overheard Geoff Johns talking on the phone, so you totally know it's true.

[Assassin]

:( Rip

[TimDrake64x]

Actually what's really going to happen is Superboy's going to fly into the sun and become Superboy Prime Prime, and then he's going to beat up Superboy Prime, who's going to die, and then Superboy Prime Prime is going to be like okay everybody, now it's the SOLID GOLD AGE! Do the Hustle, *****es!

No seriously my dad is the brother of the uncle of the third cousin of the guy who washed the car of a guy who once overheard Geoff Johns talking on the phone, so you totally know it's true.

u really sound like the girl from clueless right there

[fifthfiend]

u really sound like the girl from clueless right there

Then my life's dream truly has at last been achieved?

Oh Calloo and Callay!

I personally treat that as more important to my reading experience than "I like the character, I don't want him to go away!"

Just for the record, if I am to quit, it's not a matter of that DC is killing Superboy, so much as of, on top of every single other thing they are doing, they are killing Superboy.

I'd prefer not to go into it, I'm sure nobody wants to read that litany of protestaitons any more than I care to write it, so I'll just leave it as I said before, it's just a matter of accepting that, to whomever it is that DC's editorial direction is meant to appeal, that someone is not me.

[RAMORE]

Conner is my favorite Teen Titan and I've read every. Single. Issue. Of his prior solo title and Young Justice run. To point out that he is one of my favorite characters in the DCU right now would be an understatement.

And with that said, I would not mind very much if he's killed in the Crisis. He's had a great role in a great story and much justice was done to his character, and that's more than almost anyone could hope for these days. If his death can be done in service to the story and in service to the character, which it seems like Johns would do, then I personally treat that as more important to my reading experience than "I like the character, I don't want him to go away!"

Death of a character is not disrespectful to a character or his/her fans. Death of a character that's stupid and needless is.


Bravo!!! well said like in Amazing Spider-Man #500 when aunt may died it was good death closure couldn't be written better then they f'd it up and brought her back with some super lame excuse.


That being said i don't want conner to die because i know dc will screw it up:D

[RAMORE]

I'm hearing some interesting stuff about Conner. These are just rumors. Appreantly Conner is going to pull a Superman. He is going to die but come back later on in the year. Superman keeps his body @ the fortress and keeps him in some type of suspended animation. He does some really cool stuff from what I hear with his body


Oh i hope this is true!!! and they can bring him back better than ever.

[RAMORE]

A buddy of mine. His uncle works for DC and he heard him talking about some stuff that was going on with a few of the characters.



Any details on what interesting stuff with his body?

[Xan-El]

Any details on what interesting stuff with his body?

The only thing that will be changing is he won't be half human anymore. Superman's robotic scientists will work on him and his DNA at the Fortress of Solitude and he will become full Kryptonian. Rumors of course. Have not clue whether this is true. I know he dies but coming back. All I can say is I hope that my friends uncle is correct

[Assassin]

I'm sorry to all who havent read action comics, but i'm not changing my avvy :(

[drastic_quench]

Not much of a spoiler anyhow.

[Assassin]

i know, i did it so it so tou wouldnt know exactly what it was, i'm not a 100% ******* :(

[kiuju2k]

if he comes back that would explain his titans tomorrow power levels if anything. Maybe he will come back angry and discontent. Would make alot of sense.

[RAMORE]

The only thing that will be changing is he won't be half human anymore. Superman's robotic scientists will work on him and his DNA at the Fortress of Solitude and he will become full Kryptonian. Rumors of course. Have not clue whether this is true. I know he dies but coming back. All I can say is I hope that my friends uncle is correct


Really that could be good or bad. i kind of like his TK powers they just need to really explore and expand on those.

[TimDrake64x]

i agree, and im sure i like the idea of him becoming fully kryptonian. ive allways thought that conner is the true definition of a "super" "man". 1/2 krptonian (the "super" part) and 1/2 human (the "man" part). just give him a power boost but dont make him full krpytonian, then its not conner anymore. and they whole angry and discontent part would too but of the typical teenager deal. course i like him just the way he is so i hope he doesnt change much

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Sounds wicked crazy.

[Binker]

ACTION COMICS #837

REVIEW:
The first part was refreshing. Anybody who read that part would feel the same way. There was something about it that was different, refreshing (again), and it was something that was different but the same as we on Superman are. When time came for Part 2, the plot moves along.

Story: With his company losing money, Luthor still goes out and gathers Toyman, Prankster, and Metallo and his search for all the kryptonite on earth in his plan (thats still underwraps at this time). Clark investigates what Luthor is doing and finds Intergang in Luthor's power suits and spots Kent. With his arm, that has the watch to contact Supergirl, still in pain; what will the mortal Clark Kent do?

The highlights in this book was that Toyman and Metallo were based more prolly from the Timmverse incarnations. Toyman's mask retains the creepy dummy look the STAS Toyamn has so that was good to have in the comic. Luthor's plans are up in the air on what they are. With that crystal called "DOOMSDAY" in his hands, you wonder what he's doing in a world where Superman ain't around anymore. Could it be to save his company by creating disasters so his company can jump in? Does those mass-produced power suits have anything to do with it? Or does it have anything to do with Superman? If so, why? I guess we're find out once it comes.

In the end, what was good in Part 1 continues in Part 2. We get insight on how Clark loves to be a mortal like everyone else, even his wife. We see the continuation of what Luthor is going to do and debating what that plan is. The art is the same as Part 1 and the story works for both longtiem readers and works for new ones. I wonder whats going to happen next because...

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Green Lantern gives Clark a Lantern power ring with the "S" logo on it and says "It's time you got back into the game."

RATING: 8/10

[RAMORE]

Sweetness! i bet luthor is gonna give him his powers back because he wants to be the one to break superman not clark.

[RAMORE]

i agree, and im sure i like the idea of him becoming fully kryptonian. ive allways thought that conner is the true definition of a "super" "man". 1/2 krptonian (the "super" part) and 1/2 human (the "man" part). just give him a power boost but dont make him full krpytonian, then its not conner anymore. and they whole angry and discontent part would too but of the typical teenager deal. course i like him just the way he is so i hope he doesnt change much


I agree completely:up:

[Kal-El 8]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/adn_heming/comic%20scans/AC652p02.jpg
Action Comics 838

It clear that Lois & clark had sex, I wonder if this is the start of Lois becoming pregnant.

[ToddIsDead]

I'd say that's pretty likely.

[Ultimate_Superman]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/adn_heming/comic%20scans/AC652p02.jpg
Action Comics 838

It clear that Lois & clark had sex, I wonder if this is the start of Lois becoming pregnant.next time post the link for people

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Apr06previews/april26th.html

[drastic_quench]

What like a married couple had gone this long without having sex? Implied on-panel sex hardly equals pregnancy.

[XwolverineX]

What like a married couple had gone this long without having sex? Implied on-panel sex hardly equals pregnancy.



But ummm... Would Clark like kill her if they had sex? :confused: Because people break they're hands hittin' him, so Iunno.

[yenaled]

Not at the moment, he's powerless.

[The Batman]

and hes had sex with her before

[celldog]

and hes had sex with her before


He gets tired pretty quickly now. :( :supes:

[XwolverineX]

Not at the moment, he's powerless.


Exactly, but that means this could signify a possible pregnancy, incase they weren't used to be able to do it.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Exactly, but that means this could signify a possible pregnancy, incase they weren't used to be able to do it.

i dont how it sig nify's pregnancy we really dont know if they used protection or not.

[BlackOpsTengu]

I'd just like to point out my prior argument that Kryptonians and Humans are the same species. :D Even without his powers, some argued that Lois and Clark wouldn't be able to procreate... but. If it turns out this results in a pregnacy... you will hear me crying 'VICTORY!' in the streets. :p

[drastic_quench]

Meh. It could be just like the Viltrumites from Invincible. Their DNA is so advanced that they can procreate with lots of other species - and the offspring is 99.9% Viltrumite.

[yenaled]

Exactly, I really wouldn't be surprised if Lois gets pregnant while Clark is powerless ... I'd actually quite like that.

[Superman \S/]

I love both Action Comics/Superman a whole lot. Geoff does a great job writing and i liked Wood's art in the first 3 issues. But it seems Part 4 has a new artist and i mist say i like the art. For a OYL jump, and having the book with just Clark Kent is really interesing. Seeing what goes on when he isn't Supes and having other heroes save Metropolis, while Kent's watching is just great. Ofcourse i want him to be back as Superman and i know it'll happen but right nnow it's doing great. Luthor seems to be cooking up a master plan and i can't wait to see how it plays out. All in all it's great reading.

-\S/

[Superman \S/]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/adn_heming/comic%20scans/AC652p02.jpg
Action Comics 838

It clear that Lois & clark had sex, I wonder if this is the start of Lois becoming pregnant.

Awesome art.

[Superman \S/]

ACTION COMICS #837

REVIEW:
The first part was refreshing. Anybody who read that part would feel the same way. There was something about it that was different, refreshing (again), and it was something that was different but the same as we on Superman are. When time came for Part 2, the plot moves along.

Story: With his company losing money, Luthor still goes out and gathers Toyman, Prankster, and Metallo and his search for all the kryptonite on earth in his plan (thats still underwraps at this time). Clark investigates what Luthor is doing and finds Intergang in Luthor's power suits and spots Kent. With his arm, that has the watch to contact Supergirl, still in pain; what will the mortal Clark Kent do?

The highlights in this book was that Toyman and Metallo were based more prolly from the Timmverse incarnations. Toyman's mask retains the creepy dummy look the STAS Toyamn has so that was good to have in the comic. Luthor's plans are up in the air on what they are. With that crystal called "DOOMSDAY" in his hands, you wonder what he's doing in a world where Superman ain't around anymore. Could it be to save his company by creating disasters so his company can jump in? Does those mass-produced power suits have anything to do with it? Or does it have anything to do with Superman? If so, why? I guess we're find out once it comes.

In the end, what was good in Part 1 continues in Part 2. We get insight on how Clark loves to be a mortal like everyone else, even his wife. We see the continuation of what Luthor is going to do and debating what that plan is. The art is the same as Part 1 and the story works for both longtiem readers and works for new ones. I wonder whats going to happen next because...

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Green Lantern gives Clark a Lantern power ring with the "S" logo on it and says "It's time you got back into the game."

RATING: 8/10

Great review on it. My thoughts exactly!

[TheCorpulent1]

Awesome art.
You're pretty much guaranteed it when Pete Woods is on board. :up:

[Superman \S/]

You're pretty much guaranteed it when Pete Woods is on board. :up:

But like i said in my other post, i don't think the art for this issue is by Woods. Isn't by another artist? Unless i read wrong.

[TheCorpulent1]

It says it's by Woods on DC's website.

[Superman \S/]

Yep i misread. It's when i saw the new solicts is why i thought someone took over. Then i remembered it's not until July dammit. My bad. :)

[Ultimate_Superman]

Well as I said before he has his powers back at the end of this issue I like the fact that Johns is writing this series see it that he was the one who took them away it will be nice to see how he got them back.

[goldmill]

Kinda cool to see Clark act more confident in public. I'm just curious if they'll keep it that way in the long term with the powers back.

[batnkevlar]

Is woods the same Birthright artist? I like both the art for this AND birthright...

[Kal-El 8]

And thanks to I.C. # 7 I now know How Clark lost his powers . Wow I never thought Superman would've ever traveled back to Krypton & fly right into the red sun.

[Binker]

All my Superman OYL reviews thus far...

SUPERMAN #650

REVIEW:
This is it! One Year Later (OYL). This point is a new beginning for old readers but THE beginning for new readers. In terms of Superman, setting him up in OYL, they mentioned what they wanted to do with him. I didn't want to listen to their plans so I can read this freshly.

Let's go, THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR...!

Story: Its been a year since anyone has seen Superman. Reason? Clark Kent has been stripped of his powers. But is he down on his luck? Nope. As he says, its been a good year and a good life for him since. But Luthor is freed from jail. And because Clark has been badmouthign Luthor, Lex has it out for Clark. And he has something, something...Kryptonian.

This issue felt somethign for me. It felt refreshing, open, light, it was great. Again, just like Detective #817 and pretty much every OYL title, this is a setup story. But despite that, you get your money's worth. Theres action of not SuperMAN but SuperGIRL, scenes of Lois and Clark that is love, the bad guy scenes of Luthor, and a shocker.

Everythign here was real and bright. Of course, people have been complaining about this issue because it uses the Daily Planet and its globe from Superman Returns. I don't find it bad. Its only when they use TOO MUCH from the film that I would find it problematic.

The shocker? Wanna know it now? Well theres a scene where Luthor takes out a kryptonian crystal with kryptonian markings on it. Take the Kryptonian font that you can dl and translate what it says. What does it say? DOOMSDAY.

To end this, this was a great issue. Despite the fact it was a setup, its still good for old readers and the same goes for new ones. OYL is looking good.

RATING: 8.5/10

ACTION COMICS #837

REVIEW:
The first part was refreshing. Anybody who read that part would feel the same way. There was something about it that was different, refreshing (again), and it was something that was different but the same as we on Superman are. When time came for Part 2, the plot moves along.

Story: With his company losing money, Luthor still goes out and gathers Toyman, Prankster, and Metallo and his search for all the kryptonite on earth in his plan (thats still underwraps at this time). Clark investigates what Luthor is doing and finds Intergang in Luthor's power suits and spots Kent. With his arm, that has the watch to contact Supergirl, still in pain; what will the mortal Clark Kent do?

The highlights in this book was that Toyman and Metallo were based more prolly from the Timmverse incarnations. Toyman's mask retains the creepy dummy look the STAS Toyamn has so that was good to have in the comic. Luthor's plans are up in the air on what they are. With that crystal called "DOOMSDAY" in his hands, you wonder what he's doing in a world where Superman ain't around anymore. Could it be to save his company by creating disasters so his company can jump in? Does those mass-produced power suits have anything to do with it? Or does it have anything to do with Superman? If so, why? I guess we're find out once it comes.

In the end, what was good in Part 1 continues in Part 2. We get insight on how Clark loves to be a mortal like everyone else, even his wife. We see the continuation of what Luthor is going to do and debating what that plan is. The art is the same as Part 1 and the story works for both longtiem readers and works for new ones. I wonder whats going to happen next because...

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Green Lantern gives Clark a Lantern power ring with the "S" logo on it and says "It's time you got back into the game."

RATING: 8/10

SUPERMAN #651

REVIEW:
Story: Hal Jordan and Hawkgirl gave Clark a GL power ring to get "back into the game". But he refuses. As Luthor and Toyman put Metallo into surgery, Pranster attacks Metropolis but its a detraction Luthor is getting Kryptonite Man out and he now has a whole room of Kryptonite.

Whatever Luthor is planning, it seems to be very into kryptonite. Like the main power source, or part of the plan. It can't be about Superman since he hasn't been around for a year. Since kryptonite has so many uses, maybe its oen fo them or a brand new use.

Nothing else to say except what ciontinued in Parts 1-2 continues in Part 3 and you bet will continue in the next parts.

RATING: 8/10

ACTION COMCIS #838

REVIEW:
Story: Clark has been so deep into the recent events, even Luthor, that he feels he's been pushing back Lois at times. At the desruction site, Clark is threatened and chased by Intergang. Then he is hit by a train. As Intergang leaves, Clark wakes to see his handprint on the hull of the train.

One thing about Clark Kent is that in the comics now, unlike the animated shows nor the movies, he's married to Lois. I don't remember a time where he was thinking he was having a problem. I should this isn't a problem. He's been a human for 1 year. I shouldn't make a big deal out of nothing. Nevermind. Let's move on.

I guess the big thing in this issue was the fact Clark gets his powers back. But, for no reason. He would be glad he didn't get killed from that train. But, how he got them back would probably go back to Infinite Crisis #7. Superman lost his powers from the kryptonite and red sun. In the beginning of the issue, Clark has a dream where he is in STAR labs getting the powers back. Nothing work (we can tell). But the thought of enough siolar radition probably meant that as human, it would take one year to become from a MAN to SUPERMAN again.

He didn't know why he had that dream. Maybe it was a sign.

Overall, this was a filler issue. Besides the powers getting back, there wasn't anything here exciting. But needed for this arc.

RATING: 7/10

[ToddIsDead]

I've really been enjoying this arc. OYL has been great almost across the board, except for Nightwing and a few others. But Superman and Batman have been really shining.

[TheCorpulent1]

Is woods the same Birthright artist? I like both the art for this AND birthright...
No, Leinil Yu drew Birthright. The last thing I recall Woods drawing before Superman is Catwoman.

[Spider-Man™]

Superman OYL is so far a great read.

[supes_el]

I've really been enjoying this arc. OYL has been great almost across the board, except for Nightwing and a few others. But Superman and Batman have been really shining.


Couldnt have said it better myself...They are living up to the "big two" status...Now if WW OYL can live up to them then we trully have our "big three" back in action...

to quote JLU "and the adventure continues"

:supes:

[Mister J]

So in Superman 652, we finally get Superman back with his powers still not at full strength. Nice touch by the writers in having Clark only being able to jump 1/8 at first instead of flying at first (a little homage to his original power level). The same could be said of how Clark descibed his strength and invulernability to gunfire.

Lois seemed to take his power recovery in stride, but I still believe the earlier set-up in how happy they were when he wasn't Super is going to play into things somehow.

There was some good on-the-fly strategy by Superman in dealing with the various villains hired by Intergang. I've liked Livewire since her debut in S:TAS.

What the hell are Lex and Toyman planning? What's with Superman having a buzzing/ticking in his brain? Is his Super-Sense tingling? :spidey: :supes:

All in all, another good story in this arc.

[Binker]

SUPERMAN #652

REVIEW:
Story: Clark has his powers back. However, he's not at full level as before. Nevertheless, Lois gives him the costume and he goes out to fight several villians who want to see him again. The world now knows that SPERMAN IS BACK!

Superman Returns! No, no, no. I'm not talking about the movie. Now that the Man of Steel is back, the story can finally get going to its final three issues of the arc which would be...Act Three by my account. While every villian is happy to beat the crap outta Superman after a year of absence, Luthor isn't. It seems he has to go and do his plan quicker now that Blue Blue has returned.

While the powers returned, their levels weren't as up as he would be normally. That meant for this issue only (I think), our Superman was like Golden Age Superman. Leaping tall buildings in a single bound, but can't fly. Faster than a speedign bullet, but not yet though. Powerful than a locomotive, well that wasn't any different. Another thing was that while the costume itself WAS NOT changed at all, the S-symbol looked like the the one from Superman Returns. It didn't bother me, I felt it was a nice touch. Dan Dido did say the arc was a tie-in to the new movie. Now, I thought it was just the crystals returning and some nice touches. But I believe I know what else. I don't wanna say it because there are people who don't wanan get spoiled and I may be wrong. So we have to wait.

Overall, what can I say? THE MAN OF STEEL IS BACK! Now that he's back, time to get to the final three issues of this arc to see what happens next.

RATING: 8.5/10

[Kal-El 8]

SUPERMAN #652

REVIEW:
Story: Clark has his powers back. However, he's not at full level as before. Nevertheless, Lois gives him the costume and he goes out to fight several villians who want to see him again. The world now knows that SPERMAN IS BACK!

Superman Returns! No, no, no. I'm not talking about the movie. Now that the Man of Steel is back, the story can finally get going to its final three issues of the arc which would be...Act Three by my account. While every villian is happy to beat the crap outta Superman after a year of absence, Luthor isn't. It seems he has to go and do his plan quicker now that Blue Blue has returned.

While the powers returned, their levels weren't as up as he would be normally. That meant for this issue only (I think), our Superman was like Golden Age Superman. Leaping tall buildings in a single bound, but can't fly. Faster than a speedign bullet, but not yet though. Powerful than a locomotive, well that wasn't any different. Another thing was that while the costume itself WAS NOT changed at all, the S-symbol looked like the the one from Superman Returns. It didn't bother me, I felt it was a nice touch. Dan Dido did say the arc was a tie-in to the new movie. Now, I thought it was just the crystals returning and some nice touches. But I believe I know what else. I don't wanna say it because there are people who don't wanan get spoiled and I may be wrong. So we have to wait.

Overall, what can I say? THE MAN OF STEEL IS BACK! Now that he's back, time to get to the final three issues of this arc to see what happens next.

RATING: 8.5/10

Yahoo !!!! THE MAN OF STEEL IS BACK !!!! :up: :up: :supes:

[TheCorpulent1]

It was bittersweet for me. When Superman stops the bullet at the end, all I kept thinking was, "Great, now Superman's faster than the Flash. Again." Outside of that, though, it was nice to see Superman get his powers back and kick the Intergang goons' asses. Riot annoys me.

[yenaled]

The whole issue made me smile all the way through it just so much joy!

[Kal-El 8]

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6356/page00011768x11756lc.jpg
The suit look very much like The RETURNS suit .

[TheCorpulent1]

Uh... no it doesn't. The belt has the standard circular buckle, not another "S" symbol, and the chest symbol is much larger than Routh's little wussy symbol. Also, it's still blue and red, not blue and brownish.

[yenaled]

How does it?

[Darthphere]

No, it doesnt.

[Kal-El 8]

Uh... no it doesn't. The belt has the standard circular buckle, not another "S" symbol, and the chest symbol is much larger than Routh's little wussy symbol. Also, it's still blue and red, not blue and brownish.

Your right.

It's just The way The \S/ on the chest look's a bit like Returns \s/ only a hell of a lot Bigger :up: :up: . :supes:

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, the red is embossed. I figured that was an homage to Superman Returns, but the costume itself is pretty much the same as always.

[Darthphere]

Well Didio did say this arc was a Superman Returns tie-in. :rolleyes:

[TheCorpulent1]

The same crystal Lex has in the comic seems to be in SR. I'm guessing that's what he meant. Crossovers with the movies are lame anyway, though.

[Darthphere]

The same crystal Lex has in the comic seems to be in SR. I'm guessing that's what he meant. Crossovers with the movies are lame anyway, though.


Yeah, I just would like my Superman comics as far away as possible with anything that is Superman Returns.:up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Even if the movies are good, I'd prefer to keep the various media wholly separate. Smallville and the movies shouldn't bleed over into the comics, in my opinion.

[Darthphere]

Even if the movies are good, I'd prefer to keep the various media wholly separate. Smallville and the movies shouldn't bleed over into the comics, in my opinion.


Yeah, I think thats why all this Superman:Birthright hate has occured recently, or maybe DC is brainwashing people. People didnt seem to have a problem with it until Didio announced that wasnt an official origin anymore.

[Spike_x1]

I really liked seeing Clark come back, and I was pleasantly surprised at how effective the Puzzler's return was. I love her personality and the fact that she refered to her defeat during Ending Battle as "a standstill" had me laughing.

The issue's remaining villains, on the other hand, had me wanting so much more. After some absolutely fantastic appearances by the Prankster, Neutron, and Radion in the last couple books in this arc, I was expecting the villains in this issue to be up to par and shown to their potential, but instead, they're more along the lines of Metallo's appearance in terms of quality.

I'll admit that it was nice to see them in one place and being used as actual threats, instead of being locked in the creative closet at DC Comics as they have been since before the millennium (I'm not counting their wasted appearances in Ending Battle as "threatening").

First of all, the Silver Banshee had to be taken down off-panel because she (in all likelihood) could have easily killed Superman and ended the story right there. She'll probably recover and pop back up to resume the fight in Action Comics#839, but judging by this issue alone, her appearance is disappointing.

And Livewire flew straight towards the water flowing out of the dam? How dumb is she?

I'm glad that it was acknowledged that Hellgrammite was a very tough guy, but he shouldn't have been knocked out from the fall. He's taken punches from a fully powered Superman before and remained conscious (he's not nearly as strong as Supes, but he should still damn well be able to shrug off that fall).

And now Riot and Bloodsport. Oy.

I have no clue WTF happened to Riot, but he's lost much of the fun factor he had during the 90's. What happened to the crazy little imp-ish man with the skull face and long hair who constantly argued with his copies? Now he's got a face that literally looks like a three year old drew it with a crayon. That's just stupid. Why try to change something that was just fine as it was originally?

Bloodsport had me cocking my eyebrow as well. Who the hell is this new guy and where's Alex Trent? Does this Bloodsport even have a teleporter? If he doesn't, then he's got no right to that title. He's already got a sure strike against him for using such low-tech weapons. Why the hell is he using bullets? What happened to the ultra high-powered blasters that were once synonymous with the name Bloodsport?

In conclusion, I really liked seeing the Puzzler, Superman and Clark's characterization and return to action. The other villains, however, left much to be desired. Why can't writers just bring back the classic ones without dumbing them down or drastically altering them?

[Superman \S/]

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6356/page00011768x11756lc.jpg
The suit look very much like The RETURNS suit .

I'm so gonna get the issue tomorrow. Superman Returns!!! :supes:

[SpideyInATree]

I've been REALLY enjoying this story arc. I've been waiting for years and years and years to get back into Superman and not have it be the same borefest its been for years.

It took Geoff Johns and Kurt Busiek to bring me back as a reader and I'm glad I took the chance. They are going back to the basics with Supes, which is what they've needed to do for quite some time.

# 652 was an awesome issue with Clark slowly getting his powers back. The fact that he can only leap right now is awesome and gave the feeling that a "new beginning" was finally here.

I'll definitely be staying on board with the Superman titles for a while. Seeing that Kurt Busiek will be sticking around on the book after Up, Up, and Away it just gets better and better.

[Mister J]

Glad you like it, SIAT. I had been looking to get back into Supes as well and this arc tells me I got back in at the right time.

I took it that Superman had full (or near full) flight capability by the issue's close. After dousing Livewire, his inner monologue said that his flying ability was back, "unsteady, but there". I thought saving Jimmy's bacon was the thing that kicked it back into full gear. I'm expecting to seeing him soar in Part 6.

[warren_sparta27]

i was hoping that we would get at least one full arch with Clark without powers, but oh well, it's still been brilliant. and at least he hasn't got his full powers back yet.

hopefully Lios will be pregnant soon.

[Mister J]

Maybe his powers will regress before the arc closes and then return to their original levels. The psychological angle of him letting his powers come back needs to be explored further.

[SpideyInATree]

i was hoping that we would get at least one full arch with Clark without powers, but oh well, it's still been brilliant. and at least he hasn't got his full powers back yet.

hopefully Lios will be pregnant soon.

Well, technically, he went an entire year without his powers. That will be explored in the 52 series that just started this week. So, we'll get to see an entire year in the DC universe without a Superman, Batman, and a Wonder Woman.

DC definitely put a lot of thought into this one. :up:

Obviously.

[Ben Urich]

Up Up and Away is everything that Byrne's Man of Steel and, to a lesser extent, Waid's Birthright failed to be.

[storyteller]

Im hoping the strength level remains low for the next few years before them shooting back up. I mean show a few bruises on his back or something.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm good with Superman returning to his previous power level. If he loses strength now, he'll just be viewed as a pussy like Byrne's version was, then later writers will restore him to his usual level. A weak Superman just isn't quite Superman.

[Anubis]

That's what i'm sayin. Depowering supes is just a wussy thing to do.

[warren_sparta27]

in 52 will we get to see Bruce and Clarke during the missing year? or will it just focus on montoya and steel and question etc.?

[Anubis]

Nah, we will see very little of the trinity, if we even see them at all, during 52. This will focus on the main characters, and everybody else.

[Spike_x1]

I'm good with Superman returning to his previous power level. If he loses strength now, he'll just be viewed as a pussy like Byrne's version was, then later writers will restore him to his usual level. A weak Superman just isn't quite Superman.Byrne's Superman wasn't weak at all, he was incredibly powerful. It's just that his strength wasn't as overthetop as it has been in the comics for the past few years (before OYL, that is). I mean, in MOS Superman lifted Lex's entire luxury yacht like it was nothing and he could still lift mountains and stuff on that level. I'll be perfectly fine if Superman's never again strong enough to push a planet around or dive into the sun. In fact, I'd prefer it that way.

[warren_sparta27]

what did people think of the Puzzler?

[Spike_x1]

what did people think of the Puzzler?from just the last page \/I really liked seeing Clark come back, and I was pleasantly surprised at how effective the Puzzler's return was. I love her personality and the fact that she refered to her defeat during Ending Battle as "a standstill" had me laughing.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Byrne's Superman wasn't weak at all, he was incredibly powerful. It's just that his strength wasn't as overthetop as it has been in the comics for the past few years (before OYL, that is). I mean, in MOS Superman lifted Lex's entire luxury yacht like it was nothing a.nd he could still lift mountains and stuff on that level. I'll be perfectly fine if Superman's never again strong enough to push a planet around or dive into the sun. In fact, I'd prefer it that way.I agree I feel if they can keep Superman's power level like S:TAS it would be good were he can lift a plane or atleast help guide a plane.

[supes_el]

I hope they dont de-power him...That seems like the general concensus here also.

[TheCorpulent1]

Byrne's Superman wasn't weak at all, he was incredibly powerful. It's just that his strength wasn't as overthetop as it has been in the comics for the past few years (before OYL, that is). I mean, in MOS Superman lifted Lex's entire luxury yacht like it was nothing and he could still lift mountains and stuff on that level. I'll be perfectly fine if Superman's never again strong enough to push a planet around or dive into the sun. In fact, I'd prefer it that way.
He was slow and not as strong as I'd like. Morrison's JLA Superman is just about perfect for his power level, in my opinion. He and a couple of others could move the moon, but there was no planet shifting or anything. Sun dives are another matter altogether. I'd prefer if they just went away and never came back.

[Anubis]

Dude, Sun dives rock.

[TheCorpulent1]

They don't really make much sense to me. If he gains that much power from a sun dive, why doesn't he just do it all the time? Why didn't he do it before Imperiex or Mageddon came knocking? Why didn't he do it before the fight with Superboy Prime in IC? It's not like he can't fly to the sun and back in like 3 seconds anyway.

[Anubis]

For one, he becomes really really powerful, and a massive power increase like that can have damaging effects on a persons body and psyche. And for two, he didn't even know he could do it until, I think it was that strange visitor chick clued him in on it. It should be a last resort sort of thing. A trump card. At least that's the way I feel it should work. And think how bad ass a character would be if Supes pulled that stuff and still got his ass kicked?

[TheCorpulent1]

Has he ever suffered any harmful effects from it? I thought he just got really powerful, then it faded away over time.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Read All-Star Superman if you want to see the effect of Superman staying in the sun for too long.

[Spike_x1]

He was slow and not as strong as I'd like. Morrison's JLA Superman is just about perfect for his power level, in my opinion. He and a couple of others could move the moon, but there was no planet shifting or anything. Sun dives are another matter altogether. I'd prefer if they just went away and never came back.How fast would you like him to be? 'Cause his speed is one of the few things that hasn't appeared to change very much at all over the years (he always seemed to be just below the Flash, even back then).

[TheCorpulent1]

Right, Wally topped out at the speed of sound back in the Man of Steel era, too. I'd prefer the proportional speeds to stay the same (Supes' being a little slower than the Flash), but I'd like to see both of them back up near the light barrier. Most of the fun of the Flash for me was seeing how he could bend physics with his speed.

[Spike_x1]

Right, Wally topped out at the speed of sound back in the Man of Steel era, too. I'd prefer the proportional speeds to stay the same (Supes' being a little slower than the Flash), but I'd like to see both of them back up near the light barrier. Most of the fun of the Flash for me was seeing how he could bend physics with his speed.I didn't know that Wally maxed out at the speed of sound during those days (I knew he did at some point, but I wasn't aware of the specific period in DC history). In that case, Byrne's Superman was much faster than the Flash at that time. I'm recalling the time that Superman first encountered the Toyman and was being chased by his flying action figures. Superman easily circled the globe so that he would come up behind the toys and end up being the one chasing them, instead of the other way around. When he finished circling the earth, the toys had barely moved from the position that Superman had left them in because he had left and returned so fast.

Aside from certain occasions where his powers have been drained from him, I don't think post-crisis Superman has ever maxed out at the speed of sound before. :confused:

If you have reference material to the contrary, can I see it? I'm not trying to sound like a smartass or anything, I'm honestly curious as to where you got the idea that Byrne's Superman was so slow.

EDIT: When I said...(he always seemed to be just below the Flash, even back then).I meant that Superman's speed, even back then, was just below the Flash's status quo of speed. I should have phrased that better originally.