Singer mentioned that this would vaguely tie in with Smallville, how so???

[TheBlueWolf]

I read something once where Singer had mentioned that the end of Smallville will vaguely tie in with this new Superman movie, or something similar to that. My question is, in what way are they going to try and vaguely cross relate these two different superman mythos? I mean, if you go by Smallville, there is just no way that LEX could not know who Superman is later...I mean, just no way. I'm interested to know how they will achieve this vague history tie in thing. ANY IDEAS???

[Kane]

I think the tie-in he was refering to has nothing to do with the story.

It was a production tie-in when developing the FOS set.

[ToddIsDead]

I think he meant that it wouldn't negate Smallville, not neccesarily be in continuity with it.

[Naite22]

Those two projects.. "Superman Returns" & "SmallVille" exists in different universes.. But it is true, Singer did say that something would happen in the current 5'th season of SmallVille that would have an effect on the new movie.. However that can mean so many things still...
Emagine if in the final episode of SmallVille's 5'th season, we saw Welling in the fortress of solitude in the superman suit- the exact same that'll be used in superman Returns.. NEVER gonna happen, I know!!.. But it would be crazy!

[GothicPowerMix1]

Those two projects.. "Superman Returns" & "SmallVille" exists in different universes.. But it is true, Singer did say that something would happen in the current 5'th season of SmallVille that would have an effect on the new movie.. However that can mean so many things still...
Emagine if in the final episode of SmallVille's 5'th season, we saw Welling in the fortress of solitude in the superman suit- the exact same that'll be used in superman Returns.. NEVER gonna happen, I know!!.. But it would be crazy!

Then the Crazy Ass Die Hard Smallville fans would be in an up roar since they all hate the Suit & Movie & Star

[Naite22]

Then the Crazy Ass Die Hard Smallville fans would be in an up roar since they all hate the Suit & Movie & Star
Yeah well, too bad for them... But what are we talking about, it'll NEVER happen!:)

[TheBlueWolf]

Those two projects.. "Superman Returns" & "SmallVille" exists in different universes.. But it is true, Singer did say that something would happen in the current 5'th season of SmallVille that would have an effect on the new movie.. However that can mean so many things still...
Emagine if in the final episode of SmallVille's 5'th season, we saw Welling in the fortress of solitude in the superman suit- the exact same that'll be used in superman Returns.. NEVER gonna happen, I know!!.. But it would be crazy!

Woah, that would be mind blowing! AND it would make PERFECT SENSE...as a vague tie in without negating the show. AND yes, know the production tie-in when developing the FOS set is a factor, but I understood there to be something more like with the 5th season or the final season whatever that will be...Singer just made it sound like it was going to be something BIG. I can't find a copy of that actual transcipt, but I will look for it and post it, but if you read it, it does sound like an EVENT CHANGING issue will happen on SMALLVILLE that will be important to the MOVIE.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Yeah well, too bad for them... But what are we talking about, it'll NEVER happen!:)

As I said in my edited post I think they will just simply use a Mock Up of the Reeve Suit

[Naite22]

Woah, that would be mind blowing! AND it would make PERFECT SENSE...as a vague tie in without negating the show. AND yes, know the production tie-in when developing the FOS set is a factor, but I understood there to be something more like with the 5th season or the final season whatever that will be...Singer just made it sound like it was going to be something BIG. I can't find a copy of that actual transcipt, but I will look for it and post it, but if you read it, it does sound like an EVENT CHANGING issue will happen on SMALLVILLE that will be important to the MOVIE.
I know you're telling the truth though, cause I've read the same thing... Maybe the theatrical trailer will air during smallville's final season 5 episode, and that is what singer ment by the show having an impact on the new movie:)...who knows.

[Kane]

Maybe Brainiac is in Superman Returns....at the end. The same way how Joker was hinted at the end of Begins.

[boywonder13]

THey won't be in the continuity, but they wont be tripping over each others shooes.

[Showtime]

I think Singer was refering to might have been the death of Jonathan Kent. Obviously Jonathan is dead in the Returns story arc so it makes sense that they had to kill him off in this season of Smallville. This along with the FOS was probably what Singer was refering too, even though we first saw the FOS at the end of season 4.

[Naite22]

One thing I DO NOT want Superman Returns to have, is the CLASSIC cliffhanger ending, which has been used in EVERY superhero flick in the last five years... Returns should have story lines within the movie that can be translated into the sequel, but it shouldn't come at the very end (which is so ridiculously commen for these type of films).. Returns should end GOOD, satisfying AND epic!! The world has gotten back their savior, ending it all with the classic superman flying in space, looking into the camera before flying off sequence!.. People should'nt be walking out of the theater only thinking, Oh my God, what will happen in the sequel!!?? We only have to wait 3 ****ing years for it!! No No, dont they please do the classic superhero movie ending, be still my lunch!.. When people walk out of the theater, they should only be thinking of how breathtaking a movie experience they had just seen!.. Let the sequel create its own hype like 3 years later!

[H B K]

i would so hope this doesnt tie in with smallville at al.
its a great show but i feel its tarnishing the rep of superman in some ways.
i have no need to see tom welling in the suit now or ever.

[Kane]

Its okay. Im hoping SR will restore Superman's rep anyways.

[H B K]

Its okay. Im hoping SR will restore Superman's rep anyways.

i really hope so. it can be quite frustraiting watching how clarke's character is developing.
just want it to steer cleer of the show altogether.

[Kane]

I just dont care for the sex for ratings and the overdose of liberties. It cheapens the mythos.

I think this movie brings it Superman back to his roots though.

There hasnt been a proper live action representation of Superman in my entire lifetime so Im anticipating this.

[H B K]

dont worry kidda this movie will rock everybodys world and supes will be back in all his glory as he should be.

[FreeRadical]

I just dont care for the sex for ratings and the overdose of liberties. It cheapens the mythos.

I think this movie brings it Superman back to his roots though.

There hasnt been a proper live action representation of Superman in my entire lifetime so Im anticipating this.

The writers seem to be doing the show blind folded, just taking stuff from the mythos and DCU and throwing them in just for ratings (Lois Lane, Aquaman?). Unnessary deaths, getting rid of Pete, evil Jor-el, Clark not wanting to following his destiny.......and don't get me started on Clana.

The more SR steers away from SV the better.

[Showtime]

What happened to Pete anyway?

[Super_Ludacris]

Dude got tired of lack of screentime, so Sam Jones said **** this and quietly didnt re-sign when his contract was up

Complaining about Smallville is a beast within it self, I always liked it for being the simple multi-genre feel good show it was, but the fans are rabid (and even the ones who hate it just online ones really). But I laugh at people who say it cheapens the mythos or takes liberties when argubaly its one of the better interpretation of Superman in live-action (what would you rather have Lois and Clark?).
Maybe they could improve characters but the hate is unwarranted but to each is own.

But that's just me.....

[Showtime]

I enjoy Smallville when I catch it, but I don't like some of the storylines they have going on. I would have gone in a different direction.

In regards to Pete, that's a shame, I like his character. I think Chloe was getting more time, and when Pete called it quits, it brought Chloe even more into the fold.

What did they say happened to Pete on the show?

[Super_Ludacris]

Basically he knew Clark's secret first in season 2 and all these feds started putting the pressure on him and threatened him and hurt him and his family so dude had to bail out of town

Real black man situation :(

[The Kid]

Then the Crazy Ass Die Hard Smallville fans would be in an up roar since they all hate the Suit & Movie & Star

That's not true.

Smallville is good show. Whatever ties together between it and the movie probably won't be anything big though, just like someone said the look of the fortress is similar and such... but really unless Welling wears the new superman suit based on evil superman's suit, nothing really seems like it'd link well with this movie because it's so related to the old movies' and not smallville's story.

:up:

[Super_Ludacris]

Look man I just watch if cause of Lana....:( I dont give a **** if people dont like her

I dont want another debate about Smallville I dont have the energy lol :(

[The Kid]

I like watching all the young ladies on that show, especially durance. Ultimately the best thing about smallville is the luthors, but even without them those women would keep me entertained.

[Super_Ludacris]

at least you have no hate in your blood

And I am looking foward to seeing Lex and Lana interact, Hopefully it helps her character out, and it's good for lil' Kristin Kreuk who's new to the acting world to do more intense drama scenes (this and that movie Partition she's doing are good if she wants to do this acting thing)


But I stray off topic...

[Captain Villa]

How about and not mentioned before............

clark finds the :supes: shield, for the first time ?

[Showtime]

Basically he knew Clark's secret first in season 2 and all these feds started putting the pressure on him and threatened him and hurt him and his family so dude had to bail out of town

Real black man situation :(

That is so damn weak. I can't believe that.

[Super_Ludacris]

He was gonna leave so they had to put something at the last sec, sad too he was cool

[Showtime]

I figured they wouldn't give him that great of a treatment if he bowed out like that. Still he should have died or something.

[SlickSyck]

i cant believe no one else has noticed this but me....or atleast no one has mentioned it yet....anyways...from what i can tell, another one of the "tie ins" from Smallville to Superman Returns is in the set design of the Daily Planet interior...hasnt anyone else who watches Smallville noticed how similare the set design for the Daily Planet interior is extremely similar to what we have seen of the set on Superman Returns? It is very obvious.

[Super_Ludacris]

Wasnt the same in Lois and Clark too?

[Showtime]

Didn't notice! Interesting.

[Kane]

Dude got tired of lack of screentime, so Sam Jones said **** this and quietly didnt re-sign when his contract was up

Complaining about Smallville is a beast within it self, I always liked it for being the simple multi-genre feel good show it was, but the fans are rabid (and even the ones who hate it just online ones really). But I laugh at people who say it cheapens the mythos or takes liberties when argubaly its one of the better interpretation of Superman in live-action (what would you rather have Lois and Clark?).
Maybe they could improve characters but the hate is unwarranted but to each is own.

But that's just me.....

Hell no. But its not like DC puts out live action Superman series regularly.

Superman TAS however and Supes in the DCAU are argueably the best interpretation (truest to the source material) of Superman on televison...despite it not being live action. Well written stuff.

[Kane]

at least you have no hate in your blood

And I am looking foward to seeing Lex and Lana interact, Hopefully it helps her character out, and it's good for lil' Kristin Kreuk who's new to the acting world to do more intense drama scenes (this and that movie Partition she's doing are good if she wants to do this acting thing)


But I stray off topic...

Someone told me shes going to develop a drug addiction to Kryptonite or something....

Im glad Lana Lang is going places

[Showtime]

Drug addiction to Kryptonite. Wow....

[Super_Ludacris]

Crysissy probably heard that one of his Cali girls that PMs him

[Kane]

You wana get banned for attempting these lame attacks?

[Super_Ludacris]

You wana get banned for attempting these lame attacks?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/tmsxl/mad.jpg


Mods aint gonna ban us for this, look at the Smallville threads people laugh at you, no one is getting hurt

[Kane]

We'll see.

[Super_Ludacris]

lol please, you saw the threads everyone cracks at our routine. Only your the one who's all uptight about it.

[Showtime]

You wana get banned for attempting these lame attacks?

Last I checked you can't ban anybody? It wasn't an attack, a joke maybe.

[Super_Ludacris]

lol

GAM-set, GAM-set, GAM-set

[Showtime]

Just move on Luda. You know the deal.

[Super_Ludacris]

KIM- Keep It Movin :)

[Showtime]

You got it, be the bigger man.

[Kane]

Last I checked you can't ban anybody? It wasn't an attack, a joke maybe.

His 'jokes' are often just attempts on personal attacks. Didnt care before but if its spilling into every forum I post in, its getting annoying. So that's that.

[Captain Villa]

i cant believe no one else has noticed this but me....or atleast no one has mentioned it yet....anyways...from what i can tell, another one of the "tie ins" from Smallville to Superman Returns is in the set design of the Daily Planet interior...hasnt anyone else who watches Smallville noticed how similare the set design for the Daily Planet interior is extremely similar to what we have seen of the set on Superman Returns? It is very obvious.

I thought that too.

[explode7]

i cant believe no one else has noticed this but me....or atleast no one has mentioned it yet....anyways...from what i can tell, another one of the "tie ins" from Smallville to Superman Returns is in the set design of the Daily Planet interior...hasnt anyone else who watches Smallville noticed how similare the set design for the Daily Planet interior is extremely similar to what we have seen of the set on Superman Returns? It is very obvious.

I'll watch today's episode of Smallville "Lockdown" and I'll get back to you on that one. I never really noticed that before. Keen eye dude:up:

[King Krypton]

I think Singer was refering to might have been the death of Jonathan Kent. Obviously Jonathan is dead in the Returns story arc so it makes sense that they had to kill him off in this season of Smallville. This along with the FOS was probably what Singer was refering too, even though we first saw the FOS at the end of season 4.

But whereas Jonathan died of natural causes in the Reeve/Routh timeline, Smallville's Jonathan died as a result of Clark willingly sacrificing one life in exchange for reviving Lana. The last thing I want to see the movie acknowledge is Superman being responsible for the death of his own father.

The only connection I want to see is the Fortress. Anything else would be a waste of time.

[Mentok]

Singer only said that it (the film) would be accessable to Smallville fans. They dont make any direct links, rather they leave it open for people to make their own links between the film and show.

[Showtime]

But whereas Jonathan died of natural causes in the Reeve/Routh timeline, Smallville's Jonathan died as a result of Clark willingly sacrificing one life in exchange for reviving Lana. The last thing I want to see the movie acknowledge is Superman being responsible for the death of his own father.

The only connection I want to see is the Fortress. Anything else would be a waste of time.

It doesn't matter how he died, the point is that the character died, Pa Kent was killed off to line it up.

[LostSon88]

Then the Crazy Ass Die Hard Smallville fans would be in an up roar since they all hate the Suit & Movie & Star

I'm not, and I consider myself a "Crazy Ass Die Hard Smallville Fan". :confused:

I'm actually looking forward to Superman Returns. :supes:

Please don't generalize.

[SuperDaniel]

It doesn't matter how he died, the point is that the character died, Pa Kent was killed off to line it up.
oF COURSE IT MATTERS...Smallville simply killed the Superman character in that episode...

[Scooter]

Who here has seen the episode?

[Kane]

I have. I just didnt like how Pa Kent's death was written. In season 2, Clark put on a red K ring (knowing full well how dangerous it makes him) and went to the highly populated Metropolis (which is pretty irresponsible). The Kents waited for 3 months but realized he was robbing banks, putting lives in danger and he actually joined up with Morgan Edge. Jonathan had no choice but to go to Jorel for help to bring Clark home. Jorel gave Jonathan Kryptonian powers temporarily but later in season 3, he realized the powers messed up his heart and he had a near fatal heart attack.

Later in season 5, Clark disobeyed Jorel and was turned into a mortal. A week later he got himself shot and killed. Jorel was forced to bring Clark back but told him of the consequences, the lifeforce of someone he loves will be taken.

It ended up being Lana. Clark starting crying and shouting. He went to Jorel and demanded he fix and Jorel gave him the chance to go back in time but inferred to him that saving Lana's life would just mean another close to him would die. Clark didnt care and hastely made the decision...

Later in the episode, Jonathan Kent dies. His heart fails. So Clark and Jor-el basically have a direct part in John's death. The worst part is Jonathan and Jorel hated each other. Jor-el tried to strangle him in season 3 and ended up putting John in a coma for 3 months!.....

So yea, hopefully thats not adapted into SR, lol.

[I am Superman]

I have. I just didnt like how Pa Kent's death was written. In season 2, Clark put on a red K ring (knowing full well how dangerous it makes him) and went to the highly populated Metropolis (which is pretty irresponsible). The Kents waited for 3 months but realized he was robbing banks, putting lives in danger and he actually joined up with Morgan Edge. Jonathan had no choice but to go to Jorel for help to bring Clark home. Jorel gave Jonathan Kryptonian powers temporarily but later in season 3, he realized the powers messed up his heart and he had a near fatal heart attack.

Later in season 5, Clark disobeyed Jorel and was turned into a mortal. A week later he got himself shot and killed. Jorel was forced to bring Clark back but told him of the consequences, the lifeforce of someone he loves will be taken.

It ended up being Lana. Clark starting crying and shouting. He went to Jorel and demanded he fix and Jorel gave him the chance to go back in time but inferred to him that saving Lana's life would just mean another close to him would die. Clark didnt care and hastely made the decision...

Later in the episode, Jonathan Kent dies. His heart fails. So Clark and Jor-el basically have a direct part in John's death. The worst part is Jonathan and Jorel hated each other. Jor-el tried to strangle him in season 3 and ended up putting John in a coma for 3 months!.....

So yea, hopefully thats not adapted into SR, lol.

I hope not.

SV, which i do enjoy, has bastardised Jor-el into a villain which he is not.

[KaptainKrypton]

oF COURSE IT MATTERS...Smallville simply killed the Superman character in that episode...
Most of the characters on the show (the Luthors being the exception) were already DOA long before that episode.

[Kane]

I hope not.

SV, which i do enjoy, has bastardised Jor-el into a villain which he is not.

I doubt SR will do the same since the Marlon Brando Jor-El was the total opposite of the SV one.

The funny thing is the SV one is played by ZOD.

[Trooper]

JOR-EL IS NOT EVIL IN SMALLVILLE
IT LIVES UP TO DONNERS MOVIES
AND IS JUST WHAT IT IS TO KEEP THE SUPERMAN MYTHOS LIVING ON AND STRONG...

i cant believe some you guys dont like it.. its doing its job, theres kids that never bothered about superman now into it...

[LostSon88]

Exactly. Just look at this lost dialogue from Superman II and tell me that it isn't straight from the SV characterization of Jor-El:

"Listen carefully, my son, for we shall never speak again. If you hear me now, then you have made use of the only means left to you - the crystal source through which our communication was begun. The circle is now complete. You have made a dreadful mistake, Kal-El. You have abandoned the world for the sake of private ambition. You did this of your own free will, and in spite of all I could say to dissuade you. Now you have returned here to me for one last chance to redeem yourself. This too - finally - I have anticipated, my son. (pause) Look at me, Kal-El... Once before, when you were small, I died while giving you a chance for life. And now, even though it will exhaust the final energy left within me... Look at me, Kal-El!... The Kryptonian prophe[c]y will be at last fulfilled. The son becomes the father - the father becomes the son. Goodbye forever, Kal-El. Remember me, my son..."

The SV Jor-El IMHO is in line with what Donner originally intended w/ the character, give or take a few aspects.

[Kane]

And then Jor-El puts Jonathan in a coma and tries to kill Chloe in the Fortress.....hmm

I wonder how he got all that Kryptonite in ancient China...:confused:

[Captain Villa]

Exactly. Just look at this lost dialogue from Superman II and tell me that it isn't straight from the SV characterization of Jor-El:

"Listen carefully, my son, for we shall never speak again. If you hear me now, then you have made use of the only means left to you - the crystal source through which our communication was begun. The circle is now complete. You have made a dreadful mistake, Kal-El. You have abandoned the world for the sake of private ambition. You did this of your own free will, and in spite of all I could say to dissuade you. Now you have returned here to me for one last chance to redeem yourself. This too - finally - I have anticipated, my son. (pause) Look at me, Kal-El... Once before, when you were small, I died while giving you a chance for life. And now, even though it will exhaust the final energy left within me... Look at me, Kal-El!... The Kryptonian prophe[c]y will be at last fulfilled. The son becomes the father - the father becomes the son. Goodbye forever, Kal-El. Remember me, my son..."

The SV Jor-El IMHO is in line with what Donner originally intended w/ the character, give or take a few aspects.


You have lost me.

SV Jor-el is evil.

[SlickSyck]

I'll watch today's episode of Smallville "Lockdown" and I'll get back to you on that one. I never really noticed that before. Keen eye dude:up:


thats a good one...really pay attention to it though...it is the type of set design unlike any other daily planet we've ever seen...when you see it...you can tell that it is extremely obvious...the DP set is one of the connections from SV to SR...

[Showtime]

I wish I could see! Damn you Xplode!

[SuperDaniel]

JOR-EL IS NOT EVIL IN SMALLVILLE
IT LIVES UP TO DONNERS MOVIES
AND IS JUST WHAT IT IS TO KEEP THE SUPERMAN MYTHOS LIVING ON AND STRONG...

i cant believe some you guys dont like it.. its doing its job, theres kids that never bothered about superman now into it...

No. Jor-el is evil in Smallville. He always threats Clark. Jonathans dead was Clark`s choice. Smallville will never be Superman. I must admit that there`s been some really good episodes but this episode 100 destroyed everything in my opinion. Superman is not Peter Parker. He should never became who he is because of guilt. Read Superman for all seasons. That`s the best Superman origin story.

[Scooter]

You have lost me.

SV Jor-el is evil.

I don't think so. It's an unresolved issue.

[explode7]

SV Jor-el is evil? Hmmmmm. Never thought about it but it maybe true.

[sevinw0rds]

I think another direct correlation between SV and SR is the design of Smallville itself. I mean the Kent home is a throwback to the Donner film, but when I first saw the clip of Routh in the white shirt with his hand clasped in front of him (from the comic-con reel), I couldn't help but think of the show...I agree that it shouldn't take the show into account too much, becasue it has taken some liberties. But the sad truth is that there are plenty of kids (and adults) whose only connection to the man of steel is Smallville...to alienate them would only hurt the film's potential demographic, so its cool that there will be elements both old and new :up:

[Scooter]

Lol, "Sad truth." Melodramatic, anyone?

[sevinw0rds]

should I have left the adjective out? I'm just basing it on the fact that I do know a handful of people who didn't even know why the show was called Smallville before an episode ever aired...or what his Krytponian birthname is, thats all.

[Kane]

SV Jor-el is evil? Hmmmmm. Never thought about it but it maybe true.

Hes not evil. Hes just comes off as a bastard from being poorly written.

[fangrl06]

For the love of God, don't tie it into Smallville! Actually...I don't really care, I just hate Smallville.

[storyteller]

Smallville wont even slightly tie in with superman returns. I mean the clark scene in the movie basically negates like all the bull that the writers on smallville came up with. Also i dont see how a porno can tie in with what singers trying to do.

[Scooter]

There's a Superman porno?

[Kane]

Ya. Its on thursday nights on the WB...

Check out this promo: http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0D7KRVI00BQPF01ZNRCZKK53HG

Clark gets put under a magical spell and gets turned into a sex slave....urgh -_-


Yea, SR needs to get here...fast!

[Scooter]

Oh, that. 'Bout 15 seconds of nobody having sex or even being naked. :rolleyes: That's just about the worst porno I've ever seen.

Now, Superman II? That was some hot Kryptonian lovin'. ;)

[Kane]

It was done in a tasteful way in Superman II.

I really cant say the same for how Smallville handles it.

Im kinda glad movies like BB and SR steer away from that sleezy stuff.

[Scooter]

It was done in a tasteful way in Superman II.

I really cant say the same for how Smallville handles it.

Im kinda glad movies like BB and SR steer away from that sleezy stuff.

You haven't seen the episode yet...

[SlickSyck]

another thing i have noticed is when i think of the images we have seen of Clark on the farm in Superman Returns...the clothes he is wearing has a "Smallville"-esque feel to it...compare these...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/SlickSyck/routhonfarm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/SlickSyck/wellingonfarm.jpg

[Scooter]

I can see it. I don't think Routh will don the bright red jacket in SR though.

[KalKai]

You're making BR look bad there SlickSyck. :p

I think the lighting will be similar. You know how beautiful the lighting on SV
is, Smallville/Kent Farm is orange and warm, Metropolis is blueish and cold, and that recent pic of Spacey's Luthor reminded me of this shot:

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/4816/2lexs0ps.jpg

[Kane]

You haven't seen the episode yet...

Ive seen enough prior episodes of the series to have an understanding of how they handle the 'sex-for-ratings' concept of the show. Its pretty sleezy the majority of the time.

[dark_b]

You're making BR look bad there SlickSyck. :p

I think the lighting will be similar. You know how beautiful the lighting on SV
is, Smallville/Kent Farm is orange and warm, Metropolis is blueish and cold, and that recent pic of Spacey's Luthor reminded me of this shot:

the colours in metropolis will not be the same :o:down

[KalKai]

Yeah well, except that. We've seen Daily Planet pictures inside/outside, no metropolis ones yet though.

In SV they rarely show Metropolis in daylight, always at night.

[Trooper]

Read This:...


what ever idiot said that becuase Jonathand died SV and said its like spider-man needs a slap

Jonathan died in the orginal Donner classic so you obviously havent seen ti. Smallville is works around the BIRTHRIGHT orgin, which is similiar to what Donner him self.

Jonathan died because clark died when he chose to let go of his powers.
Because of this a kind caring Jor-El brought clark back to life in exchange for another life source. This life source would be some one close to clarks.. it was lana, but Jor-El being a caring father gave Clark to revist the moments of Lana's death and correct it to prevent her from dying. Clark did so but as Jor-El warned, the tide of fate cannot be changed and fate found to exchange lives with Jonathan..as it happened in Donner's version. Clark even questioned Lanas death when he confronted Jor-El and Jor-El replied with, 'it was not me who killed her Kal-el' (similiar). Jor-El is not evil and is the same guy you have known in Donners superman, if you know it at all that is.

Jor-El is not evil, he appeared evil at the first few episodes we met him but now as we get to know more about Clarks destiny we find out what Jor-El intends for clark as a father, he brings Clark up to be Superman.

Jor-El is strict at times because like all teenagers clark can be distracted from what is a greater cause.

[Captain Villa]

Read This:...


what ever idiot said that becuase Jonathand died SV and said its like spider-man needs a slap

Jonathan died in the orginal Donner classic so you obviously havent seen ti. Smallville is works around the BIRTHRIGHT orgin, which is similiar to what Donner him self.

Jonathan died because clark died when he chose to let go of his powers.
Because of this a kind caring Jor-El brought clark back to life in exchange for another life source. This life source would be some one close to clarks.. it was lana, but Jor-El being a caring father gave Clark to revist the moments of Lana's death and correct it to prevent her from dying. Clark did so but as Jor-El warned, the tide of fate cannot be changed and fate found to exchange lives with Jonathan..as it happened in Donner's version. Clark even questioned Lanas death when he confronted Jor-El and Jor-El replied with, 'it was not me who killed her Kal-el' (similiar). Jor-El is not evil and is the same guy you have known in Donners superman, if you know it at all that is.

Jor-El is not evil, he appeared evil at the first few episodes we met him but now as we get to know more about Clarks destiny we find out what Jor-El intends for clark as a father, he brings Clark up to be Superman.

Jor-El is strict at times because like all teenagers clark can be distracted from what is a greater cause.


I have highlighted your statements, as I know Superman the Movie, Donners version very well. I also am glued to Smallville each episode.

So Sir..............I have not a ****ing clue what the hell you are on about. And I dont think you do too.

[Scooter]

Ive seen enough prior episodes of the series to have an understanding of how they handle the 'sex-for-ratings' concept of the show. Its pretty sleezy the majority of the time.

Sleazy? C'mon. As I recall, only two people haver had sex on that show...

[Superman \S/]

You're making BR look bad there SlickSyck. :p

I think the lighting will be similar. You know how beautiful the lighting on SV
is, Smallville/Kent Farm is orange and warm, Metropolis is blueish and cold, and that recent pic of Spacey's Luthor reminded me of this shot:

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/4816/2lexs0ps.jpg

Spacey owns.

[Kane]

Im talking about crap like Lana turning into the sexed-up lesbian vampire for example. Gimmicks like that usually come off in a sleazy way on SV.

Oh well, its not like it matters anyways. I doubt SR will sink to those lows so Im really looking forward to Superman finally being done some justice :)

[Scooter]

Meh, I guess it just doesn't bother me. I agree, I don't think a sex scene would really serve SR's story.

[Superman \S/]

Im talking about crap like Lana turning into the sexed-up lesbian vampire for example. Gimmicks like that usually come off in a sleazy way on SV.

Oh well, its not like it matters anyways. I doubt SR will sink to those lows so Im really looking forward to Superman finally being done some justice :)

Same here dammit. :( :supes:

[Kane]

Turn that frown upside down. The odds of this film being a success are looking sky high now.

[Milkman95]

Awesome sig Crisis............

[Superman \S/]

Turn that frown upside down. The odds of this film being a success are looking sky high now.

I put that smiley cause seeing all the pics plus this footage it makes me want to cry man. Supes is my favorite hero and the way things are going for this movie is just amazing. It makes me really happy that it's in the right hands and how well everything looks. JUST AWESOME!! :supes: :supes: :supes:

[Superman \S/]

Awesome sig Crisis............

I was about to say that. :up: :)

[The Kid]

Everything Superman related is Super so stop the hate and celebrate mother****ers.

[Kane]

Awesome sig Crisis............

;) It was inspired.

[Showtime]

;) It was inspired.

Love the sig. :up:

[SuperDaniel]

Jonathan died because clark died when he chose to let go of his powers.
Because of this a kind caring Jor-El brought clark back to life in exchange for another life source.This life source would be some one close to clarks.. it was lana, but Jor-El being a caring father gave Clark to revist the moments of Lana's death and correct it to prevent her from dying. Clark did so but as Jor-El WARNED, the tide of fate cannot be changed and fate found to exchange lives with Jonathan..as it happened in Donner's version.

1-Warned mens that Clark knew if he saved Lana, another person would die.
So Jonathans death is Clarks fault. Clark was willing to sacrifice a lifesource to save Lana. He is willing to kill. This isn`t Superman or never will be. Thats not what happened in Superman the movie or any incarnation of Superman. Jonathans death was of natural causes in every encarnation. In Superman the movie, Jonathans death triggers Superman sense of responsibility with the world. He feels he wants to do more.

2-Jor-el giving his powers back IN EXCHANGE FOR ANOTHER LIFE SOURCE proves that Jor-el is evil since he is willing to kill someone. In Superman II, Jor-el gives Clarks powers back in exchange for his own life source. THe ultimate sacrfice for the good of mankind.

3- In Smallville, Lana deths is Jor-el`s fault. And although Clarks motives for going back to the past were the same as in Superman the movie(LOVE), the results of his actions wasnt.In Superman the movie, in the end, Lois died of natural causes(not because of Clark having his powers back) and Superman altered the course of history by traveling the speed of light to save Lois because of Love.


Clark even questioned Lanas death when he confronted Jor-El and Jor-El replied with, 'it was not me who killed her Kal-el' (similiar). Jor-El is not evil and is the same guy you have known in Donners superman, if you know it at all that is.
Jor-El is not evil, he appeared evil at the first few episodes we met him but now as we get to know more about Clarks destiny we find out what Jor-El intends for clark as a father, he brings Clark up to be Superman.

Jor-El is strict at times because like all teenagers clark can be distracted from what is a greater cause.

Conclusion: Smallville is a ****ty show with poorly-written characters, that does`nt respect Superman as a character and his integrity, ecxept for some rare episodes like Rosetta.

Hopefully Superman Returns will bring back the integrity of Superman in 2 hours since Smallville writers can`t do it every week.

[KaptainKrypton]

Conclusion: Smallville is a ****ty show with poorly-written characters, that does`nt respect Superman as a character and his integrity, ecxept for some rare episodes like Rosetta.

Hopefully Superman Returns will bring back the integrity of Superman in 2 hours since Smallville writers can`t do it every week.
You ain't just whistlin' dixie.:up:

[Matt]

Singer simply did not want to come out and admit it's a sequel to the 70s movies so he say it would tie in to all the other mediums.

[Trooper]

i dont want to argue with you about smallville, i think it does its job and im satisfied... lol i still cant believe how stupid you are.. ''jor-el is evil''.. right and lex is good...not :)

[Kane]

On Smallville, Lex is a p*ssy.

Spacey win Own him.

[DOO BEE]

smallville is ok.... just wrong in so many ways... and will never be connected to donner films...... or returns in anyway.... the films can be used as guide lines but thats it! i hate it wen TV and Movie universes collide........ its never happened (that i know of) and there for nothing is bad! ha great

[The Game]

On Smallville, Lex is a p*ssy.

Spacey win Own him.

Smallville's Lex does get his ass handed to him on many occasions,but Lex was never meant to be a physical sort of dude

[Captain Villa]

i dont want to argue with you about smallville, i think it does its job and im satisfied... lol i still cant believe how stupid you are.. ''jor-el is evil''.. right and lex is good...not :)

You're on your own

[Kane]

Smallville's Lex does get his ass handed to him on many occasions,but Lex was never meant to be a physical sort of dude

Its not that he gets knocked out in every other episode (which is true) and played like a tool by everybody (also true) but the fact that he switches between 'good' and 'evil' from episode to episode like he has some bi-polar disorder.

[IKnowSomeJudo]

It's a crappy teenage show for MTV-watching losers, who cares if it ties up in an way with SR? Just flush it down the toilet with the rest of kiddy crap shows and bring on the real thing already.
http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/object/033/033915/superman-returns-teaserboxart_160w.jpg

[Kane]

L O L

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Big question. Which is better? Lois & Clark or Smallville? I think they both suck but that's MHO.

[Kane]

Well it depends if your preference is sitcoms or angsty teen dramas..

[M.O.Steel]

Those two projects.. "Superman Returns" & "SmallVille" exists in different universes.. But it is true, Singer did say that something would happen in the current 5'th season of SmallVille that would have an effect on the new movie.. However that can mean so many things still...
Emagine if in the final episode of SmallVille's 5'th season, we saw Welling in the fortress of solitude in the superman suit- the exact same that'll be used in superman Returns.. NEVER gonna happen, I know!!.. But it would be crazy!

maybe he's talking about john kent's death...

[Showtime]

^That was my theory as well.

[Milkman95]

Damn, harsh words against SV. You're lucky the SV mafia isn't here yet..............

[Scooter]

For such ardent hatred of Smallville, you guys sure do talk about it a lot...

[Superman \S/]

Read the title of the thread. Last time i checked the question does have to do with SV. So ofcourse it's gonna be mentioned.

[Michael Corleone]

For such ardent hatred of Smallville, you guys sure do talk about it a lot...

Considering the topic of this thread I ask the question.....So?

[Scooter]

Yeah, 'cause it's never talked about in other threads - threads not about Smallville in any way - right? No no, definitely not.

:up:

[skruloos]

Yeah, 'cause it's never talked about in other threads - threads not about Smallville in any way - right? No no, definitely not. And besides, when it is brought up, your all so polite, civilized and respectful, right? Of course. I mean it's cool to, in addition to bashing the show, bash the fans of the show too, right? Duh.

Yeah, it's only brought up when the thread is specifically devotd to it. Yep.

:up:
Since you're point is quite obviously referring to how people bring up Smallville even in non-Smallville related threads, I think you would have made a bigger point if you hadn't posted in a thread specifically devoted to talking about Smallville's relationship to Superman Returns.

[Scooter]

Since you're point is quite obviously referring to how people bring up Smallville even in non-Smallville related threads, I think you would have made a bigger point if you hadn't posted in a thread specifically devoted to talking about Smallville's relationship to Superman Returns.

Probably. Oh well.

[Superman \S/]

Since you're point is quite obviously referring to how people bring up Smallville even in non-Smallville related threads, I think you would have made a bigger point if you hadn't posted in a thread specifically devoted to talking about Smallville's relationship to Superman Returns.

:up:

[Kane]

Who cares if people hate SV. Its expected...this is a Superman forum.

I dissed Lois and Clark also, disliked that series too....but I doubt there will be an L+C mafia rushing in here.

[Scooter]

Who cares if people hate SV. Its expected...this is a Superman forum.

I dissed Lois and Clark also, disliked that series too....but I doubt there will be an L+C mafia rushing in here.

What is this SV mafia?

[Kane]

I duno. I was just quoting the other dudes. I wouldnt even use the word 'mafia'... its too cool a term to associate with the SV fanbase.

[Mentok]

Its only a small number of SV fans that give the others a bad name.

[Scooter]

I duno. I was just quoting the other dudes. I wouldnt even use the word 'mafia'... its too cool a term to associate with the SV fanbase.

Well, I'd say that was petty, but I get the feeling your used to it...

:up: :)

[Scooter]

Its only a small number of SV fans that give the others a bad name.

Isn't that true of all fanbases? Ya know, this one included...

[The Kid]

SV fans are peacefully enjoying their show. Leave them alone. Instead have some love and peace! love and peace! That's what superman is about.

[Scooter]

What the world needs now...

:)

[Superman \S/]

What the world needs now...

:)

I agree with you on that.

[Thunder Emperor]

Damn, harsh words against SV. You're lucky the SV mafia isn't here yet..............


Yes we are here, lol.

Lex is played well in smallville for what he is suppossed to be a pre evil lex. its the full fledge LEx you are seeing, but lex before he becomes the worlds greatest evil.

[LostSon88]

It's a crappy teenage show for MTV-watching losers, who cares if it ties up in an way with SR? Just flush it down the toilet with the rest of kiddy crap shows and bring on the real thing already.

I love the show AND am a hardcore Superman fan...granted they've made a few missteps and in many cases some downright idiotic decisions but don't ignore the fact that SV has helped re-introduce the Superman character to a new generation.

Yeah so its not the traditional portrayal of Clark Kent/Superman, but that's the point! Its a modernized version and in my opinion, an "Ultimate Superman" type of deal ala Marvel's contemporary versions of their heroes (X-men/Spider-man)...are those considered canon? Hell no. But that doesn't make them any less enjoyable.

Smallville may not be YOUR Superman, but it probably is to millions of kids around the world.

Oh and for the record, I HATE MTV--I think its a s*** network that's got nothing better to do than feed celebrity egos so please don't make it sound like "teenyboppers" are the only audince of Smallville.

[Kane]

Smallville isnt Superman at all though. I honestly think 'kids' are more familiar with the DCAU Superman as the Superman of their generation anyways...

Well until Superman Returns of course.

[Kane]

Well, I'd say that was petty, but I get the feeling your used to it...

:up: :)

Not at all, I just have too much respect for the mafia, and too little for the majority of SV fans.

[Scooter]

Not at all, I just have too much respect for the mafia, and too little for the majority of SV fans.

Uh-huh...

[skruloos]

Smallville isnt Superman at all though.
It may not be YOUR Superman but it IS Superman to quite a few people whether you like it or not. It's every bit as important to the mythos as Superman Returns or Lois and Clark or the Donner film. They may not fit your ideal mold of what Superman should be but then again, it doesn't have to.

[KaptainKrypton]

It may not be YOUR Superman but it IS Superman to quite a few people whether you like it or not. It's every bit as important to the mythos as Superman Returns or Lois and Clark or the Donner film. They may not fit your ideal mold of what Superman should be but then again, it doesn't have to.
Skru, this is where I'm going to have to disagree with you. The people who usually associate Smallville as being a good representation of Superman are a bit off kilter in that respect, if you ask me. If shoddy writing, horrendous dialogue, and bad acting (most notably by the show's lead, no less) are what determines the show's worth, then I guess I have no concept of what Superman should represent. To me, Smallville is about as important to the cumulative Superman mythos as a Barbara Streisand CD. For my fix of a teen-angst superhero, I watch Spider-Man. SPIDER-MAN. Not Suckville.:) I'm ready for battle, Wellingites.

[Michael Corleone]

It may not be YOUR Superman but it IS Superman to quite a few people whether you like it or not. It's every bit as important to the mythos as Superman Returns or Lois and Clark or the Donner film. They may not fit your ideal mold of what Superman should be but then again, it doesn't have to.


Does it really matter? I mean this thread only asked if Singer did indeed mention there would be a tie in then how would it happen? I honestly dont care what folks think of the show. I watch it...I don't like some of it but its just a damn TV show people. How off topic can you get?

The topic was never to debate the opinions on smallville.

[Kane]

It may not be YOUR Superman but it IS Superman to quite a few people whether you like it or not. It's every bit as important to the mythos as Superman Returns or Lois and Clark or the Donner film. They may not fit your ideal mold of what Superman should be but then again, it doesn't have to.

Its based on the Superman mythos (loosely) but he isnt portraying Superman within the series..

If he was, you'd have to consider the Superboy actors from the 80s are SuperMAN actors as well.....which isnt right.

Superman Returns IS Superman. Thats the major difference.

[Scooter]

Skru, this is where I'm going to have to disagree with you. The people who usually associate Smallville as being a good representation of Superman are a bit off kilter in that respect, if you ask me. If shoddy writing, horrendous dialogue, and bad acting (most notably by the show's lead, no less) are what determines the show's worth, then I guess I have no concept of what Superman should represent. To me, Smallville is about as important to the cumulative Superman mythos as a Barbara Streisand CD. For my fix of a teen-angst superhero, I watch Spider-Man. SPIDER-MAN. Not Suckville.:) I'm ready for battle, Wellingites.

No battle, though I do disagree.

[skruloos]

Skru, this is where I'm going to have to disagree with you. The people who usually associate Smallville as being a good representation of Superman are a bit off kilter in that respect, if you ask me. If shoddy writing, horrendous dialogue, and bad acting (most notably by the show's lead, no less) are what determines the show's worth, then I guess I have no concept of what Superman should represent. To me, Smallville is about as important to the cumulative Superman mythos as a Barbara Streisand CD. For my fix of a teen-angst superhero, I watch Spider-Man. SPIDER-MAN. Not Suckville.:) I'm ready for battle, Wellingites.
See... I'm not even a Wellingite or a fan of Smallville. I never said that Smallville was a good representation of Superman. All I said was that it was a representation of Superman. Does it have bad acting? Yes. Bad dialogue? A lot of times. Bad writing? Sure. But then again, there are many instances of Superman comics that have bad writing and dialogue. If quality determined Superman's worth to me, I'd cut out decades of comics.

Smallville is a reinterpetation of the mythos. You don't have to like it. It might be absolute crap. That doesn't mean it isn't Superman. It's just not your vision of Superman. But then agian, it was never meant to be. It was supposed to be a reinterpretation.

[SuperDaniel]

AS i said...Smallville is poorly written. They got the characters right in some episodes. But theres a lot of filler episodes that ruins the whole experience. Stories that has nothing to do with Superman. And, the way i think, the 100 episode ruined everything. They shouldn`t have killed Jonathan Kent. That should`ve be something for the last season. Chloe shouldve be the one who died in the episode, not Lana. And because Chloe died, Clark should`ve told Lana the truth. Now, we`re back to square one with Lex and Lana dating in the future. Lame!!!

I repeat. Tom Welling will never be the Superman I know and the one who`s comming back in June!!

[SuperDaniel]

See... I'm not even a Wellingite or a fan of Smallville. I never said that Smallville was a good representation of Superman. All I said was that it was a representation of Superman. Does it have bad acting? Yes. Bad dialogue? A lot of times. Bad writing? Sure. But then again, there are many instances of Superman comics that have bad writing and dialogue. If quality determined Superman's worth to me, I'd cut out decades of comics.

Smallville is a reinterpetation of the mythos. You don't have to like it. It might be absolute crap. That doesn't mean it isn't Superman. It's just not your vision of Superman. But then agian, it was never meant to be. It was supposed to be a reinterpretation.
But when a show totally destroys the character and his motivations, then its not even a reiterpretation of Superman anyomore. Its a Superman in name only.

[skruloos]

I repeat. Tom Welling will never be the Superman I know and the one who`s comming back in June!!
Ding ding ding! Give the guy a prize! He's not supposed to be the Superman you know! He's a new version of a classic character!

[SuperDaniel]

No. he is not even a version of the character. Oh hell...hes not even an actor...ahaha

[skruloos]

But when a show totally destroys the character and his motivations, then its not even a reiterpretation of Superman anyomore. Its a Superman in name only.
Whether it "destroys" the character is debatable. Dramatic license is taken by the show in order to create dramatic stories that haven't been done in the comics. Otherwise, they're just regurgitating Superboy stories. If they played the show only within the boundaries of what you wanted, then it would be very limited in what it could do dramatically. They have to create their own mythology and set of melodramatic instances in order to sustain the show. Do I like it? No. But that's fine. I don't like everything in the comics either.

[skruloos]

No. he is not even a version of the character. Oh hell...hes not even an actor...ahaha
Come back when you're ready to actually have a debate and not just throwing inane insults.

[SuperDaniel]

Read my big post on page 5. It shows how it destroys 2 very important characters of the Superman mythos.

[storyteller]

Anyway back on topic. lois and clark now that was a real superman show. If only we could have a tv series like that plus have supervillians on the show. ...

[skruloos]

Read my big post on page 5. It shows how it destroys 2 very important characters of the Superman mythos.
I read it and I don't care. I think that Byrne's Man of Steel destroyed things I liked about Superman. Big whoop. Doesn't mean that Man of Steel is any less Superman just because I don't like it.

[SuperDaniel]

The only thing Byrne got wrong was making Superman kill the Phantom Zone criminals with kryptonite. THat`s his only mistake, imo. The same mistake was done in Smallville with Clark killing Jonathan...

[skruloos]

Anyway back on topic. lois and clark now that was a real superman show. If only we could have a tv series like that plus have supervillians on the show. ...
I'd go with something down the middle. I wish that Lois and Clark had been greenlit today with big budget shows like Lost, Alias, and others becoming more commonplace. They could give it the budget and better special effects for it to actually be able to focus on Superman. A little bit of Smallville, a bit of the Superboy series, a bit of Lois and Clark, and a bit of the George Reeves show would be great.

[SuperDaniel]

THen we agree on something. If Lois and Clark had a budget like Smallville so they could focus more on Superman and had better effects, then it wouldve been more good than it already is.

[skruloos]

The only thing Byrne got wrong was making Superman kill the Phantom Zone criminals with kryptonite. THat`s his only mistake, imo. The same mistake was done in Smallville with Clark killing Jonathan...That's your opinion. I think he did far more wrong. But whatever. That's neither here nor there.

[LostSon88]

1-Warned mens that Clark knew if he saved Lana, another person would die.
So Jonathans death is Clarks fault. Clark was willing to sacrifice a lifesource to save Lana. He is willing to kill. This isn`t Superman or never will be. Thats not what happened in Superman the movie or any incarnation of Superman. Jonathans death was of natural causes in every encarnation. In Superman the movie, Jonathans death triggers Superman sense of responsibility with the world. He feels he wants to do more.


And in Smallville, Jonathan's death inspires Clark to be the man "he's always hoped he'd become"...a man Jonathan can be proud of. How is that different?

2-Jor-el giving his powers back IN EXCHANGE FOR ANOTHER LIFE SOURCE proves that Jor-el is evil since he is willing to kill someone. In Superman II, Jor-el gives Clarks powers back in exchange for his own life source. THe ultimate sacrfice for the good of mankind.

What good would it do for Jor-El to sacrifice his own life (again) for Clark when he's yet to even begin his "destiny"? He's misguided and Jor-El has to be there for him until he finally understands. Jor-El is not willing to kill someone moreso than he is willing to give up one life for the sake of billions for which Clark/Supes will have to defend. Clark put him in a no win situation.

3- In Smallville, Lana deths is Jor-el`s fault. And although Clarks motives for going back to the past were the same as in Superman the movie(LOVE), the results of his actions wasnt.In Superman the movie, in the end, Lois died of natural causes(not because of Clark having his powers back) and Superman altered the course of history by traveling the speed of light to save Lois because of Love.

That doesn't make it right. Regardless of how Lois died in S:TM, Superman was wrong by turning back time to change fate. Superman's decision to turn back time to save Lois was NOT heroic, it was selfish. But I let it slide because I understand that Superman/Clark Kent is not perfect. What Smallville tries to do is emphasize that point across albiet in a more dramatic and contempory sense.

Conclusion: Smallville is a ****ty show with poorly-written characters, that does`nt respect Superman as a character and his integrity, ecxept for some rare episodes like Rosetta.

Hopefully Superman Returns will bring back the integrity of Superman in 2 hours since Smallville writers can`t do it every week.

Conclusion: Smallville is a REINVENTION of a classic character...modernized for a new generation of fans that although can be stupid at times, does its best to respect the Superman legend.

Superman Returns will be a great film i'm sure.

[SuperDaniel]

1-What is different? Because of a lousy written episode, Clark decided to sacrfice another lifeform to save Lana. HE was willing to kill someone just to save Lana, a death caused by Jor-el. So Clark goes back in time and saves Lana but Jor-el WARNED him that if he saved lana, another person would die, so Jonathan dies making Clark responsible for his Death.

I`m not discussing the fact that Jonathan died. The Kents died in many incarnations of Superman. And i`m not discussing what happened after he died. Clark did become the man Jonathan always hoped for him to be. BUT that doesn`t erase the fact that lousy writers made Superman kill his own dad. And this ruined everything for me.

2-What? Clark doesn`t need Jor-el to become Superman. Jor-el in Smallville is evil, who makes threats, who kills people(ex Lana). He has nothing to offer to Clark. Jonathans was the one who guided Clark to become Superman and he died in a ****ty episode.

And lets not get into the Lana/Clark/Lex relationship `cause thats even more a bastardization of the comics....

[skruloos]

And lets not get into the Lana/Clark/Lex relationship `cause thats even more a bastardization of the comics....
Well it's a good thing that it's not trying to BE the comics.

[SuperDaniel]

How this is a good thing its beyond me...

In the comics, Lana and Clark are best friends, Lana is a very well-written character. Have u ever read Superman for all seasons? Or Action Comics 800?

Now they are making Clark`s rivalry to Lex grow due to the fact they are going to fight over a girl, not because the difference inside, the way they think.

[skruloos]

How this is a good thing its beyond me...

In the comics, Lana and Clark are best friends, Lana is a very well-written character. Have u ever read Superman for all seasons? Or Action Comics 800?

Now they are making Clark`s rivalry to Lex grow due to the fact they are going to fight over a girl, not because the difference inside, the way they think.
Yes. They are re-inventing the motivations behind the characters. You don't have to like it. You don't have to think it's good. You always have your comics to fall back on. Smallville isn't getting rid of those issues you already have.

[SuperDaniel]

When they reivent their motivations, they kill the characters. It`s not their characters. THank God singer has respect over the mythos and will get the character of Superman more right than 2 stupid producers did in 5 years.

[skruloos]

When they reivent their motivations, they kill the characters.
Love the melodrama, don't you? Seems for someone who has such a predisposition for melodrama that Smallville would be right up your alley.


It`s not their characters.
Not exactly. It's not their comic characters. And they never were going to be their comic characters. Don't like it? Don't watch the show.


THank God singer has respect over the mythos and will get the character of Superman more right than 2 stupid producers did in 5 years.
I'm sure there are many out there who will disagree with you on this point.

[SuperDaniel]

Smallville got the characters right in some episodes. But its tiring to wait for 24 episodes every season and they get it right only in 5. Its not as good as it can be.

[skruloos]

Smallville got the characters right in some episodes. But its tiring to wait for 24 episodes every season and they get it right only in 5. Its not as good as it can be.
I wholeheartedly agree. That's why I don't watch it much. And neither should you.

[Showtime]

Smallville is good for what it is, the first season was closer to what I hoped it would be. I watch it about 4-5 times a season, only if I find out about an episode that might be worth watching, such as the Aquaman episode.

[The Game]

Smallville is good for what it is, the first season was closer to what I hoped it would be. I watch it about 4-5 times a season, only if I find out about an episode that might be worth watching, such as the Aquaman episode.

Co-sign

I'm a Smallville fan but the show needs to end soon as there are so many filler episodes within a season and only 1-3 max episodes stand out. Season 1-3 were the best after that meh.

[Showtime]

Personally I would have approached it much differently. I would have played more against Clark's feeling of being an alien among the people and made him rely more on his parents for guidance.

[Eros]

well i watch smallvile alot, but my problem with smallville is over time the dumb Kryto freaks, the long drawn on relationships, the god-like abilities of Jor-el, and it just goes on. Smallville tries its best to keep the chaarcters in smallville. Tom welling does a good clark Kent, but I look at Dean cains Clark kent as the guy i would be friends with. I mean Cains kent played basketball, went on dates, and just did normal things a man in his 20s would do.

[Showtime]

I think the problem is that they should be forcusing more on Lex and Clark, rather than pushing this "Kryptonite Villian" in each and every episode.

I actually think that they would have been better served with Clark using his powers to prevent more natural disasters and everyday type crimes while in Smallville.

[LostSon88]

When they reivent their motivations, they kill the characters. It`s not their characters. THank God singer has respect over the mythos and will get the character of Superman more right than 2 stupid producers did in 5 years.
How is giving Lois Lane a child out of wedlock respectful to the mythos? (Not that I have a problem with it cause I don't, its nice when certain producers and/or directors think OUTSIDE THE BOX while still remaining true to the character)

And in addition, some of SV "re-inventions" have been for the better i.e. the SV reasoning as to why Lex Luthor would want to rival Superman in the future is a far more 3-dimensional and intriguing perspective than that of the comics.

[Kane]

Then again Lex knowing Clark in Smallville for this long is a trap unto itself. Its kinda impossible to believe he wouldnt recognize Clark as Superman in the bluelights.....unless hes a dimwit..

But hes supposed to be the world's greatest genious... hmm

I think the comic writers are very smart men overall, they tend to retcon certain things for a reason.

As far as Lois goes for SR, it all depends on how its executed, we will have to see. Alot of SV's liberties are usually executed poorly; Lana the magic witch, the kryptofreaks etc...

I do agree with Showtime that the show had potential in early season one. The pilot is probably my favorite episode of Smallville.

[Scooter]

Then again Lex knowing Clark in Smallville for this long is a trap unto itself. Its kinda impossible to believe he wouldnt recognize Clark as Superman in the bluelights.....unless hes a dimwit..

Well, come on, his "disguise" is inherently ridiculous. I mean, Lois Lane, ace reporter, can't figure out that Clark Kent and Superman are one and the same because of a pair of glasses?

[Kane]

Its more than just a pair of glasses as SR will demonstrate. Its a whole different set of mannerisms and personalty which it looks like Singer is trying to make clear between Kal-El's 3 identities.

It wouldnt work on SV though as Lois knows Clark and his real personality extremely well at this point. He couldnt wear the disguise and pretend to be a nerd as a disguise with her anymore....bringing Lois in this early was a big mistake.

[Scooter]

Its more than just a pair of glasses as SR will demonstrate. Its a whole different set of mannerisms and personalty which it looks like Singer is trying to make clear between Kal-El's 3 identities.

It wouldnt work on SV though as Lois knows Clark and his real personality extremely well at this point. He couldnt wear the disguise and pretend to be a nerd as a disguise with her anymore....bringing Lois in this early was a big mistake.

That wouldn't work period. Ever. Suspension...

[Kane]

Wrong. Its all about the execution. SV just made it impossible. Even all the SV fans would prefer if Lois and Lex know that Clark is Superman early on.....since the writers dug themselves into a whole with it.

[Scooter]

Wrong. Its all about the execution. SV just made it impossible. Even all the SV fans would prefer if Lois and Lex know that Clark is Superman early on.....since the writers dug themselves into a whole with it.

Suspension of disbelief. Do you honestly think no one would recognize a guy after he put on a pair of glasses and slouched a bit?

It's all degrees of the same thing.

[LostSon88]

I agree, making Lana part of the Superman mythology was their biggest misstep. I would've preferred if they had kept her as the classic "girl-next door", naive to everything going on around her.

But still, with all of their mistakes, I feel like SV has done more to add to the Superman legacy as opposed to taking away from it...Its strengths far outweigh its weaknesses as a whole.

I mean for me, I try to take into account certain elements that somewhat doomed SV throughout the years:

-Season 3: When they introduced the "Adam Knight" character, apparantly Al & Miles wanted to do something else with that character and his arc but due to some outside forces (?) they had to scrap their initial idea (whatever it was) and thus the terrible serum storyline took place.

-Season 4: The tragic passing of Chris Reeve really threw Season 4 out of sync as they were planning to have the "Dr. Swann" character play a big part in the season. It also didn't help their initial ideas when Kidder refused to continue the role of Bridget Crosby which would in all likelihood have continued the original storyline as it was intended. However since she bailed, the producers were again caught in a sitation where they had to tweak their plans (for the worse).

So yeah for me yes there have been some elements where SV has been really stupid but the way I see it, some of those missteps were out of their control.

[Kane]

Suspension of disbelief. Do you honestly think no one would recognize a guy after he put on a pair of glasses and slouched a bit?

It's all degrees of the same thing.

Its not suspension of disbelief. Ask any of the hardcore supes fans on this board. It can actually be done if done properly....its the glasses, voice, hair, clothes, personality, mannerisms, actions, etc....

I think there will be a very recognizable and real difference between Superman and his 'Clark Kent' disguise in this film.

[Scooter]

Most of the fourth season was a low point...

[Showtime]

Then again Lex knowing Clark in Smallville for this long is a trap unto itself. Its kinda impossible to believe he wouldnt recognize Clark as Superman in the bluelights.....unless hes a dimwit..

But hes supposed to be the world's greatest genious... hmm

I think the comic writers are very smart men overall, they tend to retcon certain things for a reason.

As far as Lois goes for SR, it all depends on how its executed, we will have to see. Alot of SV's liberties are usually executed poorly; Lana the magic witch, the kryptofreaks etc...

I do agree with Showtime that the show had potential in early season one. The pilot is probably my favorite episode of Smallville.

Pilot=Best Smallville Episode Ever

I don't see GAM or GODS AMONG MEN in your sig? What happened.

[Scooter]

Its not suspension of disbelief.

Okaay...

[Tomar-Re]

SV is obviously a different interpertation of the Superman universe. I don't think they ever intended SV to reach the point where Clark finally makes the transition to Superman so why not have fun with the story. Even though the SV can get VERY cheesy at times, i'm glad they've incorporiated most of the central classic characters with a unique and fresh twist.

[LostSon88]

Wrong. Its all about the execution. SV just made it impossible. Even all the SV fans would prefer if Lois and Lex know that Clark is Superman early on.....since the writers dug themselves into a whole with it.

The way I see it (as a SV fan), I would prefer if Lex did know about Clark/Superman's identity in the future but b/c of his tremendous ego, he develps a type of "plausable deniability" in that he knows the truth but refuses to accept that he, "Lex Luthor", one of the most brilliant minds in the world, could be so blind/stupid.

With Lois, I would also prefer that she know the truth but keeps it to herself for the same reason he told Chloe...Lois would play dumb until Clark is comfortable enough to tell her the truth.

SV is obviously a different interpertation of Superman universe. I don't think the ever intended SV to reach the point where Clark finally makes the transition to Superman. Even though the SV can get VERY cheesy at times, i'm glad they've incorporiated most of the central classic characters with a unique and fresh twist.

Exactly.

[Kane]

Pilot=Best Smallville Episode Ever

I don't see GAM or GODS AMONG MEN in your sig? What happened.

It will be soon. Im just leaving my current one up temporarily to get a certain message across.

[Kane]

The way I see it (as a SV fan), I would prefer if Lex did know about Clark/Superman's identity in the future but b/c of his tremendous ego, he develps a type of "plausable deniability" in that he knows the truth but refuses to accept that he, "Lex Luthor", one of the most brilliant minds in the world, could be so blind/stupid.

With Lois, I would also prefer that she know the truth but keeps it to herself for the same reason he told Chloe...Lois would play dumb until Clark is comfortable enough to tell her the truth.

I dont like that idea with Lois, it makes Clark look like an idiot...moreso.

Lex with his denial kinda counters everything on SV though considering how much he suspects Clark and investigates him...he knows somethings up with him....so yea, it wouldnt work in this case.

[skruloos]

Suspension of disbelief. Do you honestly think no one would recognize a guy after he put on a pair of glasses and slouched a bit?

If I had met Reeve's Clark and Superman in real life, I'd have been hard pressed to assume they were one in the same. He completely transformed between characters. If he hadn't made Clark so overly clumsy as to attract attention, he would disappear completely in a crowd.

[Kane]

Ya and Brandon looks even more different between them.

[Scooter]

If I had met Reeve's Clark and Superman in real life, I'd have been hard pressed to assume they were one in the same. He completely transformed between characters. If he hadn't made Clark so overly clumsy as to attract attention, he would disappear completely in a crowd.

There's no doubt he differentiated between the characters with his performance. It would be very easy to believe they weren't the same person...if they didn't look exactly the same. If I had met both of them in real life, the jig would be up after a handshake. It just isn't a plausible disguise, IMO.

That's not to say I don't like it within the myth though.

[Tomar-Re]

Its not suspension of disbelief. Ask any of the hardcore supes fans on this board. It can actually be done if done properly....its the glasses, voice, hair, clothes, personality, mannerisms, actions, etc....

I think there will be a very recognizable and real difference between Superman and his 'Clark Kent' disguise in this film.

I don't think Clark's guise should be the bumbling fool that Reeves played in the earlier films. I understand Clark's character has made use of this once and awhile to throw Lois "off-track" but it shouldn't be to the point of the boardline wimp we saw in Superman I & II

[Tomar-Re]

There's no doubt he differentiated between the characters with his performance. It would be very easy to believe they weren't the same person...if they didn't look exactly the same. If I had met both of them in real life, the jig would be up after a handshake. It just isn't a plausible disguise, IMO.

That's not to say I don't like it within the myth though.

Not a plausible guise, what do you suggest then? it's a comic book for crying out loud :)

[Scooter]

I don't think Clark's guise should be the bumbling fool that Reeves played in the earlier films. I understand Clark's character has made use of this once and awhile to throw Lois "off-track" but it shouldn't be to the point of the boardline wimp we saw in Superman I & II

My only problem with Reeve's "disguise" was that it was too over-the-top.

[Scooter]

Not a plausible guise, but what do you suggest? it's a comic book for crying out loud :)

Note the last line of that post, as well as the numerous references I've made to "suspension of disbelief."

:up:

[Tomar-Re]

My only problem with Reeve's "disguise" was that it was too over-the-top.

well we both agree on that.

[Tomar-Re]

Note the last line of that post, as well as the numerous references I've made to "suspension of disbelief."

:up:

bahah i can't believe i missed that ;)

[skruloos]

There's no doubt he differentiated between the characters with his performance. It would be very easy to believe they weren't the same person...if they didn't look exactly the same. If I had met both of them in real life, the jig would be up after a handshake. It just isn't a plausible disguise, IMO.

That's not to say I don't like it within the myth though.
That's assuming that you were looking for them to be the same person in the first place. I would have no reason to suspect that Clark could be Superman. Hell, I know a lot of people who look similar to celebrities. Doesn't mean they are. That's the point. Clark would be such a nobody that I would never think that someone with powers like Superman would ever want to be someone like Clark.

[Scooter]

That's assuming that you were looking for them to be the same person in the first place. I would have no reason to suspect that Clark could be Superman. Hell, I know a lot of people who look similar to celebrities. Doesn't mean they are. That's the point. Clark would be such a nobody that I would never think that someone with powers like Superman would ever want to be someone like Clark.

Well, then, I guess we disagree (shocker!).

:)

[skruloos]

Well, then, I guess we disagree (shocker!).

:)
Answer me one question. If Superman were real and you had never read any Superman comics, why would you assume that Superman had another identity?

[Scooter]

Answer me one question. If Superman were real and you had never read any Superman comics, why would you assume that Superman had another identity?

Dunno.

[LostSon88]

Because every superhero has a secret identity? :confused:

[skruloos]

Because every superhero has a secret identity? :confused:
The F4 don't really have secret identities.

[DOO BEE]

^^^ nor judge dred

[DOO BEE]

or the X-men... really.....

[Kane]

I don't think Clark's guise should be the bumbling fool that Reeves played in the earlier films. I understand Clark's character has made use of this once and awhile to throw Lois "off-track" but it shouldn't be to the point of the boardline wimp we saw in Superman I & II

Well duh. Routh claimed hes playing the character different than Reeve.. but the differences should still be somewhat drastic compared to superman...the daily planet 'Clark Kent' is a disguise anyways.

[Super_Ludacris]

All this riffing and raffing about how one interpretation bastardizes a mythos is bull. At the end of the day its like what Stan Lee and Kevin Smith. Marvel was always looked at as Sci-Fi and DC inspiration of Mythology and with all mythos in order to keep updated it can update the formula and Smallville done a good job of that, they just need to give characters they care about some more relevance and they even are doing an ok job of that.

Similarly Singer will do a great job of updating the mythos with the film too, that's why I dont sweat things like whether Lois gotta a kid or not.

[Showtime]

^^I like your attitude.

[Super_Ludacris]

That's why I got no problem with what either show is doing too much, whether it's the kid, Clana, The different approaches to the mythos etc etc. This is just another chapter in the character's legacy



REAL superman fans accept both

[Scooter]

^ Nice.

[Showtime]

That's why I got no problem with what either show is doing too much, whether it's the kid, Clana, The different approaches to the mythos etc etc. This is just another chapter in the character's legacy



REAL superman fans accept both

Seems as if I need to adopt more of you're outlook. :up:

[Mr. Credible]

agreed... if none of the writers ever changed anything, we'd be listening to the same stories over, and over, and over, and so on.

a little creativity and updates never hurt anyone.

[Showtime]

That's why I got no problem with what either show is doing too much, whether it's the kid, Clana, The different approaches to the mythos etc etc. This is just another chapter in the character's legacy



REAL superman fans accept both

Now I am mad about Pete though.

[Super_Ludacris]

I feel bad about Lana all the time :(.....god I love Kristin Kreuk :(

*sheds a tear like an emo boy*

[LostSon88]

That's why I got no problem with what either show is doing too much, whether it's the kid, Clana, The different approaches to the mythos etc etc. This is just another chapter in the character's legacy

REAL superman fans accept both

Could'nt have said it better. :up:

[SuperDaniel]

Clark chosing a life over another will never be Superman. Clark being the responsible of Jonathans dad will never be Superman either. I don`t mind fresh stories or different takes on the characters as long as they respect what makes them the characters they are. Superman would never kill or chose a life over the other. He would choose both. That`s how heroes act. Period.

I really like Smallville most of the time but that episode got everything wrong.

[Scooter]

He didn't kill Johnnie on purpose...

[SuperDaniel]

He was warned that if he went back in time to save Lana, the universe would find a balance and kill someone in her place. He replies "I have to do this" and grabs the crystal. So, yes, he is the cause of Jonathans death.

[Kane]

He basically made stupid mistakes without actually thinking it over intelligently. Now he has to live with the guilt if killing Uncle Ben and become...SPIDERMAN

[Scooter]

Superman's made stupid mistakes long before Smallville...

[Super_Ludacris]

But do you not see how good that storyline is? It puts Superman in a moral dilema. It puts him a complex situation that effects him emotionally and that builds his character and the person he becomes in the future. Think about he's Superman but he cannot save everyone and they are gonna be times where as a result of saving someone he may hurt another or put himself in a situation he regrets.
I love it when we see flaws in these heroes it makes them more reletable and makes us ask not what Superman would do but what would WE do?
























































I mean personally. Pa Kent is a cool dad, but it's Kreuk all day :( so see ya pops....j/k

[Super_Ludacris]

Superman's made stupid mistakes long before Smallville...


Word up, He should have never stepped in Batman's way in DKR:eek:

Can I get a "Classic" all day?

[SuperDaniel]

But do you not see how good that storyline is? It puts Superman in a moral dilema. It puts him a complex situation that effects him emotionally and that builds his character and the person he becomes in the future. Think about he's Superman but he cannot save everyone and they are gonna be times where as a result of saving someone he may hurt another or put himself in a situation he regrets.
I love it when we see flaws in these heroes it makes them more reletable and makes us ask not what Superman would do but what would WE do?
The way i see it, you`re describing Spider-man, not Superman.
Superman doesn`t choose a life over other. Period. Not even Spider-man did. He saved both the train and MJ in Spider-man1. Plausible? Probably not but thats how heroes are. And we`re talking about Superman. The king of heroes. So, yes, Reckoning was a terrible episode!

[SuperDaniel]

Smallville got the character completely wrong in a episode that was supposed to be the best. In every incarnation of Superman, Kent died of natural circustances. This shows that Superman can`t save everybody and triggers his sense of responsibility in this world. Just like the Tornado moment in Superman for all seasons, wich is a much better rendition of Superman`s early years than Smallville.

Once you make Superman kill, the hero dies.

[Kane]

Superman's made stupid mistakes long before Smallville...

Not like this. Though it could be argued that its due to the juvenille nature of him playing 'young Clark Kent' and not Superman.

Honestly though, it just comes down to me respecting the character which is something I cant do in the context of Smallville. Hes done too many things to make me lose respect for him, especially when they write him as a total tool, where as I think with this movie the character will be restored back to icon status.

Honestly, Smallville's biggest issue has nothing to do with casting or acting; its just the writers. They are the one element that makes the show hard to watch for me. Even with Lana, Kristen Kreuk, I have nothing personally against her, they've just handled her character in such a horrible way.. its quite sad.. since they all had such potential in the pilot.

[Super_Ludacris]

The way i see it, you`re describing Spider-man, not Superman.
Superman doesn`t choose a life over other. Period. Not even Spider-man did. He saved both the train and MJ in Spider-man1. Plausible? Probably not but thats how heroes are. And we`re talking about Superman. The king of heroes. So, yes, Reckoning was a terrible episode!

These are conventions that can be attached to all heroes. Do you know how many times Superhero stories have borrowed from each other in all forms of medium to reinvigorate mythology ( Spiderman borrowed from Superman when he first appeared in the comics. A lot of people said Spider-man 2 borrowed from Superman 2 when it came to choosing his identity)

And that's no different when looking at all Media and Genres. Spaghetti westerns borrowed heavily from the orginal Leonne movies as well as having an influence in 50's/60's samurai films to breathe life into that flagging genre.

So there's no problem with them recycling from Spiderman or any other TV or Movie adaptation, just in the same way Batman 89 and Superman 78 had ideologies and conventions borrowed from them.

If it works for this character, it works.

[Super_Ludacris]

Not like this. Though it could be argued that its due to the juvenille nature of him playing 'young Clark Kent' and not Superman.

Honestly though, it just comes down to me respecting the character which is something I cant do in the context of Smallville. Hes done too many things to make me lose respect for him, especially when they write him as a total tool, where as I think with this movie the character will be restored back to icon status.

Honestly, Smallville's biggest issue has nothing to do with casting or acting; its just the writers. They are the one element that makes the show hard to watch for me. Even with Lana, Kristen Kreuk, I have nothing personally against her, they've just handled her character in such a horrible way.. its quite sad.. since they all had such potential in the pilot.




Considering you said that you have just started to read comics and like Superman (as you've said yourself), who are you to respect a FICTIONAL character's fate? Besides he's only 18 earth years in the story he's not a vetran superman, he does these mistakes and goes through this maturation phase like any other person, this are the things he learns from the past in order to make him the man he is. I find ten times more interesting than a generic Superman sotryline. I think one of the reasons growing up in the 90's and 80's we didnt really like Superman was because he's so bland, goody two shoes and all powerful. So when a story like Smallville comes along (or even Superman Returns) we can respect him for his vunerability, his mistakes, his growth, his relationship with Lois, Lana et al, his understanding. No 18 year old is gonna accept his destiny out the blue, they've streched a storyline out over 5 seasons and made the process facsinting.

And as far as people having issues with characters being poorly written like Lana, I understand that TV fanboys of anything are always go after the character who figurativley is the weakest (like before it was Whitney, then Pete, if she went it would have been Lois) but knowing that she played a big part in the storyline AND knowing that in the mythos she's a key figure at this stage in his life (look at the comics, pre-crisis and post and SFAS or Superman 1 and 3) if they know this why dont they suggest better ways to write her?
You know the writers listen to fans generally these days, so instead of just apathy and bitterness why not constructivley suggest things? It's never too late, Welling showed in Season 4 that Clark really came to form as a strong character then so the same can happen. Personally I see nothing wrong, she's involved directly with the mythos (ships, symbols etc) so positve construction goes a long way, bitterness and apathy is dissmissed on point and nothing changes.

And that's real

[S_H_F_4839]

I have not watched any of the fifth season of smallvillie, I have the first four on dvd, and I like the show, I just can't pick it up here, but my point being just from what I have read here about clark sacrificing someone close to him to save lana, you just have to think about it, he may be destined to be a hero, but he is not one yet, he is not superman yet, he is still only clark kent, teenager in smallville, teenagers make mistakes, they make rash decisions, I am 21 and still make rash decisions its part of life, and if you expect him to have some higher moral authority just because he is kryptonian or for what he is to become, then the question you need to ask is how did he get there? I mean nobodys perfect not even superman(I state this because despite the excellent job the kents may have done raising him, he was still raised on earth), so he made a bad call, but that doesn't necessarrily mean he will be any less of a hero, how do we learn from mistakes if we never make them. I haven't even seen the episode yet, and can already understand somewhat what is going on and why it happened.

[Super_Ludacris]

^^^^ My point exactly, that's real. lol@ any of you judging this kid

[Kane]

I think Ill reserve any More judgement about "Lana" on Smallville till I see how they handle her apparently drug addiction to green kryptonite. Hopefully it wont be as bad as her being an evil witch, a lesbian vampire, the adam knight storyline, the biological father etc....all the bad stuff theyve thrown at her.

[Super_Ludacris]

lol What drug addiction to Kryptonite?

[The Game]

I think Ill reserve any More judgement about "Lana" on Smallville till I see how they handle her apparently drug addiction to green kryptonite. Hopefully it wont be as bad as her being an evil witch, a lesbian vampire, the adam knight storyline, the biological father etc....all the bad stuff theyve thrown at her.

Drug addiction? you have just confused the hell out of me with that one, scrap

[Kane]

Its was in the upcoming spoilers last week. Cant recall the episode name but you can probably find it down on the sv board, I dont think Im going on it anymore. Its pointless if Ive given up on the show.

[Kane]

Actually I remember now. Its called void I think.

[Super_Ludacris]

Drug addiction? you have just confused the hell out of me with that one, scrap


It's probably a minor thing, like something from Season 1-3. That's ok though them little filler episodes is ok to me.

ducktales prevail I suspect

[S_H_F_4839]

I think Ill reserve any More judgement about "Lana" on Smallville till I see how they handle her apparently drug addiction to green kryptonite. Hopefully it wont be as bad as her being an evil witch, a lesbian vampire, the adam knight storyline, the biological father etc....all the bad stuff theyve thrown at her.

This may just be me, but I liked the witch episodes, the adam knight storyline, and the biological father, because I think they all served their purposes at the time, not to mention, does anyone else think the opening on the fourth season of smalliville makes the theme seem cooler with the lana burning part?

haven't seen the vampire episode, and my reasons for liking the adam knight storyline had mostly to do with it had its purposes, I mean it introduced the rare liver disease, that would later become a problem for lionel, and it showed him activley trying to come up with a cure and using people as guinea pigs.

I think the biological father thing, had purpose also, I mean it, let her and clark have something in common, I mean he never knew his birth parents, and finding out that they had problems and you mother was infaithful, when you thought she was the loving wife, would imply that she didn't know her parents either, even though the meteors might have something to do with that, I mean I sympathize with her, because I have a mother, that it got out was sneaking around, for awhile before she and my dad worked it out.

[The Game]

It's probably a minor thing, like something from Season 1-3. That's ok though them little filler episodes is ok to me.

ducktales prevail I suspect

LOL

[Kane]

As far as I can remember, the plot of the episode is Lana is using this drug made of Green Kryptonite to flatline into a dead-like state and it allows her to communicate with the ghosts of her dead parents.... Apparently she gets 'hooked' on this serum.

Clark tries the drug and encounters the ghost of Jonathan Kent who warns Clark that Lionel knows his secret and is after his mother..

........Ya, I really have no comment about this storyline.



But I cant wait for Superman Returns..

[Super_Ludacris]

Preach!!!!! Can I get a witness!!!!


I'm talking to S_H_F of course. His post is the truth

[Kane]

This may just be me, but I liked the witch episodes.

:confused:... ok clearly everyone has their own tastes.

[S_H_F_4839]

But I cant wait for Superman Returns..

Something we can agree on, even though when I first heard about it, I was dissappointed that it was bryan singer because I was hoping he would finish up the x3, but I have been keeping an eye on SR, and I have turned around and am looking forward to it myself.

[Super_Ludacris]

LOL


People will never get the sohh slang round 'ere:)

[S_H_F_4839]

:confused:... ok clearly everyone has their own tastes.

The witch in lois lanes body realizing how big her boobs were was priceless.

[Kane]

I think x3 will turn out alright despite too much Halle Berry and not enough Cyclops.

[dark_b]

As far as I can remember, the plot of the episode is Lana is using this drug made of Green Kryptonite to flatline into a dead-like state and it allows her to communicate with the ghosts of her dead parents.... Apparently she gets 'hooked' on this serum.

Clark tries the drug and encounters the ghost of Jonathan Kent who warns Clark that Lionel knows his secret and is after his mother..

........Ya, I really have no comment about this storyline.



But I cant wait for Superman Returns..:eek::down nooooooooooooooooooo

this just sucks :o:(

[Super_Ludacris]

Hall Berry is fiiiiiiiiiiine

[Kane]

The witch in lois lanes body realizing how big her boobs were was priceless.

They werent exactly priceless. They costed Erica quite alot to buy.

[The Game]

People will never get the sohh slang round 'ere:)

and its a damn shame, lol

[S_H_F_4839]

They werent exactly priceless. They costed Erica quite alot to buy.

point taken, but I wasn't talking about those, I was talking about the witch realizing they were there.

[S_H_F_4839]

I think x3 will turn out alright despite too much Halle Berry and not enough Cyclops.

I don't want to get to far off topic, so I am only going to make one x3 comment, I was relieved when Ratner was brought on board, because I was scared that vaughn didn't have the experience necessary to bring the characters to life, its also at that point that I stopped worrying about singer, because I know he can handle superman I was just scared that vaughn could not handle the xmen.

[Super_Ludacris]

Personally I thought Vaughn would be a good choice seeing as he's a better director but this Brett's golden oppurtuinty to mak a credible blockbuster. He's mad a few good fun movies (Rush Hour) and a great music video director ( I love what he did with Wu-Tang's "Triumph") but has kinda gotten some flack. He's very fortunate in the fact he gotta a storyline and a background from Singer to pick up from rather thant starting from scratch

[S_H_F_4839]

Personally I thought Vaughn would be a good choice seeing as he's a better director but this Brett's golden oppurtuinty to mak a credible blockbuster. He's mad a few good fun movies (Rush Hour) and a great music video director ( I love what he did with Wu-Tang's "Triumph") but has kinda gotten some flack. He's very fortunate in the fact he gotta a storyline and a background from Singer to pick up from rather thant starting from scratch

any respect I had on these forums was lost when I admitted to liking after the sunset, I have always liked ratners movies, liked red dragon, liked both rush hours.