Worst moments in Batman films.

[Darkred]

This is my first time starting a new thread, sorry if this is a lame thread but my brother and i were discussing the worst moments in batman and robin and we came up with quite a big list. Some are simply hilarious!I would love to hear all of your opinions and heres one for starters.

We see batman and robin for the first time. Robin asks why he doesnt get a car. Batmans reply, "This is why Superman works alone"


shudders

Offender- Batman and Robin :batman:

[Dr. Fate]

Any and all pointless humorous rubber butt shots.

Vicki Vale coming into the Bat-Cave in #1.

[Mr.E.Nygma]

All the gay moments in B&R were terrible... heck, this means the movie was terrible from beginning till the end!!!!

Other thing is when Jason Woodrue died, cause he was John Glover, he could have save the whole movie alone!!!

Batman Returns : When Catwoman eats the yellow bird and Penguin menaces the black cat on bed, this was totally unuseful to me, but not enough to ruin that great film!

[DeGenerate10]

When Batman pulls out a damn Batman Credit Card in B&R.

[co2]

When Batman pulls out a damn Batman Credit Card in B&R.

Holy crap...we have a winner!

[schillah]

Mr. Freeze: "chill out."

[darknight7]

When Batman pulls out a damn Batman Credit Card in B&R.

Wow! I really don't think anything can beat that...

...omg, No matter how hard I try...I can't recall any worse than that...

...OKAY! I got one, it isn't worse. BUT, it is the worst "I'M BATMAN" ever.

**Batman (Clooney) descends through the cieling window: "Hi Freeze, I'm Batman."**

OH AND OMG!! I HATED!!! HAAAAAATED! Val Kilmer when he smiled in Batman Forever. After meeting with Dr. Chase, he turns around and let's a BIG SMILE go, like he just farted or something. BLA! WHY SCHUMACHER! WHY!?!?

--dk7

[Kevin Roegele]

Vicki Vale coming into the Bat-Cave in #1.

What's wrong with that?

[DeGenerate10]

**Batman (Clooney) descends through the cieling window: "Hi Freeze, I'm Batman."**

--dk7

Damn you for reminding me of that. That was pretty bad but not as bad as the credit card thing.

[kit1982]

The Riddler after a heist wearing a tiara and earings in Batman Forever

[Morgoth]

All of Batman and Robin.

Bob Kane's wife over acting...:"Oh, there's Bruce Wayne!"

Bob Kane missing his cameo in Batman 1989.

Joker dieing.

Joker being the Wayne's killer.

Two-Face over acting, and so out of character.

Riddler's orange hair or pink or whatever it was.

The Sonar suit.

The Clooney suit.

The ice suits.

Clooney.

Chris O'donnel as Robin.

Robin's suit in B&R.

If you're gonna' have Nightwing's suit let him be Nightwing instead of ruining the suit by adding that cape and red bird, it looks better the way it should be plus, Robin should've kept his classic suit, all that time I waited to see him brought to life on the big screen and he only wears the Robin suit for a little bit at the end of Forever.:mad:

[Ronny Shade]

OH AND OMG!! I HATED!!! HAAAAAATED! Val Kilmer when he smiled in Batman Forever. After meeting with Dr. Chase, he turns around and let's a BIG SMILE go, like he just farted or something. BLA! WHY SCHUMACHER! WHY!?!?

--dk7

I read the script for Forever. There was really no saving it. Don't blame the Joel.

[marcofthebeast]

"You want to get nuts? Come On, Let's get nuts!"

And Whats wrong with Vicki Vale walking into the batcave? I'll tell ya, It makes it seems like someones at the front of the cave selling tickets for a batcave tour.

[El Payaso]

1 person tours?

I would have done better with the batcave.

[Morgoth]

"You want to get nuts? Come On, Let's get nuts!"

And Whats wrong with Vicki Vale walking into the batcave? I'll tell ya, It makes it seems like someones at the front of the cave selling tickets for a batcave tour.I can live with the Vicki thing if the Joker wasn't the Wayne's killer. Considering once in a while some have found out who Batman is. :)

[Dr. Fate]

On that note, I just realized that Batman & Robin is the only film where Batman's girlfriend (Elle MacPherson) doesn't discover his true identity. Other than that, all other Batman films feature this, including Batman Begins.

[doggpoundcrip]

"You want to get nuts? Come On, Let's get nuts!"

And Whats wrong with Vicki Vale walking into the batcave? I'll tell ya, It makes it seems like someones at the front of the cave selling tickets for a batcave tour.

oh come on... "you want to get nuts? come on , lets get nuts!" that line was great! it really showed bruce in a psycho stage...how could u not like that?

[Morgoth]

oh come on... "you want to get nuts? come on , lets get nuts!" that line was great! it really showed bruce in a psycho stage...how could u not like that?I liked it.

[Morgoth]

On that note, I just realized that Batman & Robin is the only film where Batman's girlfriend (Elle MacPherson) doesn't discover his true identity. Other than that, all other Batman films feature this, including Batman Begins.Funny though how nothing came of her character, she just disappeared.

[union_jak]

Funny though how nothing came of her character, she just disappeared.

I heard she was stabbed to death by Poison Ivy. It wouldn't have matched the tone of the movie, so it was cut.

[Dr. Fate]

And Whats wrong with Vicki Vale walking into the batcave? I'll tell ya, It makes it seems like someones at the front of the cave selling tickets for a batcave tour.
On top of that, it contradicts Alfred's primary purpose of protecting Bruce's identity.

[El Payaso]

On top of that, it contradicts Alfred's primary purpose of protecting Bruce's identity.

When is this 'primary purpose' stated inside the movie?

All I remember is Alfred being uncomfortable and against the whole Batman idea and the way it is playing with Vicki's feelings and dooming Bruce into solitude (same happens in Returns when Alfred distrust Bruce's real intentions researching Penguin's roots.

Alfred threw the Batman stuff in Bruce's face throughout the whole the movie in different tones (from politeness to contained rage) and finally he thought Bruce was just procrastinating his obligations as a person and forced him to face Vicki AND Batman. Once Bruce did this, things felt better - at least there are no secrets anymore - between them even when fate made them apart.

Of course Bruce tried genuinely to tell Vicky he was Batman and it was ruined by the joker, but put in Alfred's shoes, that sounds like another excuse.

Of course it can contradict comics at some points, but what comic-movie hadn't yet?

[marcofthebeast]

When is this 'primary purpose' stated inside the movie?


It's dosen't have to be stated but one could assume that a man that is your butler/mentor/best friend/father figure/ the only person that knows your alter ego, wouldn't tell someone your dark secret. Not only that but irresponsibley letting that person into your base of operations.

[Ibn]

B89 : 1. Joker killing the Waynes (though that scene was done masterfully, and better than Begins IMO.)
2. Joker dying.
........................... that's about it.
BR : 1. Penguin's dying.
2. Penguin biting the guy in the nose ( only b/c it used to creep me out as a kid).
......................... yeah, that's all.
BF : Dear God, here we go -
1. NIPPLES.
2. "I'll get drive through" - screwed up a perfectly intense intro.
3. The sparkly riddler suit.
4. The bright red riddler hair.
5. Two Face cracking jokes.
6. All the love scenes.
7. That annoying ass security guard. Just the way he said "my shoes are melting" made me want to thrash him. I'm sitting here like, damn, the guys only saving your life, yet you still feel compelled to ***** and moan?!
8. Two face was magically white again.
9. Much more.......

B&R : God help me -
1. The butt and cod piece close-ups
2. Dr. Isley being such a damn tight ass.
3. Bane being a dumbass.
4. Mr. Freezes wise cracks.
5. The hockey game.
6. When Robin busted through the wall with the bike and miraculously left the robin insignia in the wall.
7. Alicia Silverstone.
8. The batmobile
9. The bat credit card
10. Too much else...........

BB : Few minor issues.
1. "I'm Batman" then, immediately following, "Nice coat."
2. Though and awesome vehicle, I wish the Tumbler was more batified so to speak.
3. The way Scarecrow went out.
4. Ra's turning out to being white (although understandably so, seeing as though he would have been an Arabic terrorist - not a good trait for the times.)
5. Fat Flass (though I liked his performance). There was a guy in the tavern w/ Falcone that had red hair and two women with him. He looked just like the Flass from YO.
6. Commisioner Loeb - The guy they got to play him was a tall, clean cut, sophisticated looking guy. I always liked how the Loeb in the comics was a short, fat, hideous guy you'd love to hate.

......................... that's about it.

[El Payaso]

It's dosen't have to be stated but one could assume that a man that is your butler/mentor/best friend/father figure/ the only person that knows your alter ego, wouldn't tell someone your dark secret. Not only that but irresponsibley letting that person into your base of operations.

OR. Maybe a father figure would go the other way and say

"What? Having some mission of dressing as a bat every night, fight thieves in the most absolute solitude and not follow a normal healthy life is what you think you muust do for the rest of your life??? Ok, young man, as a butler; do as you please but as a father, mentor and specially best friend I'm not forced to agree with your (self-destructive) desicions but forced to make the best for you, to open your eyes because I have far more experience than you, but not support your ideas. My duty as father figure and friend is to make you face the consequences of your actions. Maybe I'm wrong? I'll take my chances because what I see you're doing with your life is gouing to lead you to ruin in every sense".



No, is not something you just assume. You assume it after reading the comics for years. Watching the movie tells different perspectives.

[CrimsonMist]

Val Kilmer's infamous "Tell me doctor, do you like the thircus?"

:D :D :D

[doggpoundcrip]

how about bane with the shopping cart full of freeze`s suit "a laundry service that delivers, wow"! where da hell u get a shopping cart from in a prison anyway

[StorminNorman]

I always found the whole Val Kilmer/ Nichole Kidman love affair annoying, but none more so as when Kidman said she loved Bruce and then Batman smiled. Ergg! It always vexed me.

[marcofthebeast]

OR. Maybe a father figure would go the other way and say

"What? Having some mission of dressing as a bat every night, fight thieves in the most absolute solitude and not follow a normal healthy life is what you think you muust do for the rest of your life??? Ok, young man, as a butler; do as you please but as a father, mentor and specially best friend I'm not forced to agree with your (self-destructive) desicions but forced to make the best for you, to open your eyes because I have far more experience than you, but not support your ideas. My duty as father figure and friend is to make you face the consequences of your actions. Maybe I'm wrong? I'll take my chances because what I see you're doing with your life is gouing to lead you to ruin in every sense".



No, is not something you just assume. You assume it after reading the comics for years. Watching the movie tells different perspectives.

I agree with you, If I were to Batman as Alfred is I would say your ****ing crazy, but Alfred should have said that before he started his crusade and not helped him along the way to building it, it would give the person the wrong impression on were you stand. In the real world I guess, but in movies it dosen't really matter.

[psycho]

Val Kilmer's infamous "Tell me doctor, do you like the thircus?"

:D :D :D

Yeah that was hilarious.

[BHD]

batman and robin: when batman and robin surfed through space back to earth on the doors of that rocket ship thing.

[Darkred]

or at the end when you see bats, robin and batgirl running infront of the signal towards the camera in slow mo...................as the great marlon brando would have said " THE HORROR......THE HORROR.......

[batadz]

I thought the ginger in bb in falcones lair/club looked like hush/tommy elliot
anyway let's see:

he said he is going to be late tonight miss"
"why am I not surprised?"

the mime gangsters then them shooting at evrything while bruce just walks with no armour on and dunt get hurt

how selina came back to life (SUPER CAT LICKS?????)

The bat wing in the first film being shot down by a frickin bullet

The way the clowns in returns get inside the bat armour on the car

The way the bad guys an cars in the first two films looked like 1940's then schumackers tripe in the future

the frickin neon lights all over gothem in schumakers tripe

"holy rusted metal batman!"

the way bruce tells evry bleeder who he is

in forever where they charge at the riddler bace an they just blatently get spotted

alfred on the big monitor in b&r

batgirl being initiated coz she can do a flips then conveinantly already having a costume being made

the silver batsuit being used in the third and not the forth

B&R

the butterfly wings on mr freeze

mr freeze

and that'll do for now

[Zephyr Alexian]

Batman and Robin -

Remember when Chris O'donnell and Alicia Silverstone are falling; Robin's grappling hook works. . . then. . . all of a sudden, it doesn't.:confused: Lo and behold, Batgirl's grappling hook saves the day, and the campy, Brady Bunch atmosphere prevails.:( :down

* On a different note, one of the worst moments that I actually liked was w/ the Riddler in Batman Forever; it was when Carrey hit the guy over the head w/ the coffee apparatus and screamed: "Caffiene 'll kill ya!" Yes, it's corny, but what the hell right?

[hulkamania85]

Funny though how nothing came of her character, she just disappeared.

Maybe more proof of B and R being a gay movie?

[KingOfDreams]

"Hi, Freeze, I'm Batman."

[Mr. Socko]

That movie is hilarious.

But seeing as the movie wasn't suspose to be, it's a bonified flop.

[Apollo]

batman smiling in batman forever, what a stupid smile too

[Apollo]

oh yea, and the entire Batman and robin film, the movie just sucked,

[Bathead]

Well, not the worst moment, but I didn't car for it. In Batman Returns, in the rooftop fight between the Bat and the Cat, when Bats hits CW, and she cries out "How could you, I'm a woman!", and Bats reaches out to her, apologizing, whereupon she cops a sneaker on him. Does anyone here believe Batman would fall for that? That's as bad as if he fell for that old "Look out behind you!" line. Batman would have said, "What's your point?" and then hit her again. (If necessary)

[DocLathropBrown]

Well, not the worst moment, but I didn't car for it. In Batman Returns, in the rooftop fight between the Bat and the Cat, when Bats hits CW, and she cries out "How could you, I'm a woman!", and Bats reaches out to her, apologizing, whereupon she cops a sneaker on him. Does anyone here believe Batman would fall for that? That's as bad as if he fell for that old "Look out behind you!" line. Batman would have said, "What's your point?" and then hit her again. (If necessary)

That's the whole point of MK's Batman. He's such a valiant knight that by the time he finally decides to hit a woman, it's because he let himself forget that she was a woman. And when she reminds him of that, he remembers that he probably had a standard of not outright hitting a woman, and he gets duped. If you'll notice, he refused to hit her during the fight until he finally got fed up with being hit, and smacked her one.

Hey, it would happen to me. But then, maybe I like MK's Batman best because I relate to him more psychologically than the modern Batman?

[Bathead]

I'm sorry, but I don't buy that. I just don't believe that Batman could be that gullible to fall for such an obvious trick.
A gentleman perhaps, but not a fool.

[DocLathropBrown]

I'm sorry, but I don't buy that. I just don't believe that Batman could be that gullible to fall for such an obvious trick.
A gentleman perhaps, but not a fool.

Well, people are always saying how Tim Burton's Batman isn't worth a lick of salt. Maybe that's just proof that they're right?

I mean, c'mon. Burton's Batman has at least shown he's a detective, a chemist, an all around smart guy: he's no moron. The intent in the that scene, the event that we're supposed to "get" from watching the scene is exactly what I said. That's what Burton has trying to infur with the scene. Batman's good guy ethics were forgotten for a second and he felt bad/a little dumb afterwords, remembering that he'd hit a woman.

Batman in the comics of the time wasn't the perfect military-never-get-tricked guy he has been since Prodigal. BR came out near the beginning of Knightfall, when Batman was still humble, and could could tricked by something simple every once in a while. The Riddler wouldn't fool him, but Catwoman using her femininity against him when he leasts expects it (for example) would occasionally happen to him.

The Batman that's the uptight-think-of-everything-in-advance-so-nothing-can-go-wrong is represented in Bale's Batman. So I dunno what to tell you. If you want a Batman who's a little less human in his overanalysis of the world, you should stay away from Burton's. In spite of all of the Golden Age influence, Burton's Batman is also indicative of the late 80's/early 90's Batman. Lethal, tough, but still a nice guy and not at all adversed to being gentle with ladies. Even bad ones.

The Batman you described, the one that would say "so?" and hit her again, isn't any Batman I've seen, outside of Frank Miller's. Not even the Batman of the modern comics is a jerk like that.

[El Payaso]

I'm sorry, but I don't buy that. I just don't believe that Batman could be that gullible to fall for such an obvious trick.
A gentleman perhaps, but not a fool.

Then Batman is a gentleman and not a fool. :batman:

[cryptic name]

"You want to get nuts? Come On, Let's get nuts!"

And Whats wrong with Vicki Vale walking into the batcave? I'll tell ya, It makes it seems like someones at the front of the cave selling tickets for a batcave tour.

that's one of my favorite lines.

[Bathead]

Well, you're right, he wouldn't have said "so" and hit her again. I'm just saying, regardless of his "gentility" in regards to women, he would have known it was a ploy on CW's part and would not have fallen for it. He's just not that stupid. It's not that I expect him to be an uncaring lout who beats on innocent women, but I do expect him to know when a woman who's trying to beat the crap out of him is trying to use her "feminine wiles" to pull a fast one. All I'm looking for is a Batman with common sense.

[DocLathropBrown]

Well, you're right, he wouldn't have said "so" and hit her again. I'm just saying, regardless of his "gentility" in regards to women, he would have known it was a ploy on CW's part and would not have fallen for it. He's just not that stupid. It's not that I expect him to be an uncaring lout who beats on innocent women, but I do expect him to know when a woman who's trying to beat the crap out of him is trying to use her "feminine wiles" to pull a fast one. All I'm looking for is a Batman with common sense.

It's not a case of being stupid. It's not like he's ever battled a chick before.

[Kahran Ramsus]

Batman & Robin is hilarious. Are you sure it wasn't directed by Mel Brooks?

[Bathead]

It's not a case of being stupid. It's not like he's ever battled a chick before.
Her being a "chick" has nothing to do with it. He knows women can be just as sneaky and dangerous as any man (any real-life police officer will tell you that) and the second he forgets that, he's a dead man. He's battling someone who's trying to seriously hurt him, and to let his guard down like that because of such an egregiously obvious ploy IS stupid, and that is not Batman.

[El Payaso]

Batman is attracted to this woman and made a mistake. "That is not Batman"... c'mon, you were making something of a case here...

[DocLathropBrown]

Her being a "chick" has nothing to do with it. He knows women can be just as sneaky and dangerous as any man (any real-life police officer will tell you that) and the second he forgets that, he's a dead man. He's battling someone who's trying to seriously hurt him, and to let his guard down like that because of such an egregiously obvious ploy IS stupid, and that is not Batman.

Well, I gave my reasons. Guess they ain't good enough for you.

[Bathead]

Well, I gave my reasons. Guess they ain't good enough for you.
Nope, sorry. Not nearly good enough.:yay:

[El Payaso]

Same there are not good enough reasons to consider it a flaw or stupid and less of all out of character.

[Bathead]

Maybe so, Payaso, if in your world Batman's a moron. In my world, he's not.

[El Payaso]

^ Definitively no good reasons in your world. They don't come out from it and they can't come in to it.

[Kevin Roegele]

On top of that, it contradicts Alfred's primary purpose of protecting Bruce's identity.

Vicki has figured out Bruce is Batman.

Alfred wants Bruce to get together with Vicki becuase she might bring some light to his life.

Thus, Vicki turns up demanding to see Bruce, telling Alfred she knows he's Batman... obviously Alfred lets her into the cave.

[Two-Face]

In B&R Batman And Robin attend in public I hate that, Batman NEVER makes a appearence in public.

[Bathead]

That's not quite true. He did it quite a few times in the fifties and sixties comic books. In the daytime, yet.

[Two-Face]

Not the Batman I know.

[El Payaso]

In B&R Batman And Robin attend in public I hate that, Batman NEVER makes a appearence in public.

Oh, God...

[Two-Face]

What? What have I done now?

[mclay18]

Batman (1989)
- Every time Vicki Vale screams for no good reason
- "Honey, you'll never believe what happened to me today", plus when Jerry Hall faints
- The segment involving the newswoman dying laughing and that stupid Joker ad
- The sequence where the Joker and his henchmen deface the museum, set to a Prince song (which is not a key plot point in my opinion)
- The scene where the Joker uses the really long gun to bring down the Batwing

Batman Returns
- Every scene that involves the Penguin riding around on his toy car
- The scene where Selena's brought to life with cat licks
- The absurd plotline with rocket launchers attached to penguins
- "Bruce Wayne? Why're you dressed up as Batman?" "Because he is Batman, you moron."

Batman Forever
- "Holy rusted metal, Batman!"
- Jim Carrey's over-the-top performance as The Riddler
- The damn nipples on the suits
- The stupidity for Robin to trust Two-Face near the end of the film

Batman & Robin
- Mr. Freeze
- The action sequences
- "I'm a lover, not a fighter. That's why every Poison Ivy action figure comes complete -- with him!"
- The nipples again
- Bane
- George Clooney's "performance" as Batman
- The rather stupid scene at the ballroom auction where Poison Ivy makes an appearance via monkey suit

Batman Begins
- Rachel Dawes's character
- "Gentlemen, time to spread the word. And the word is -- panic."

[DocLathropBrown]

Seems you missed a lot of key subtext and the meaning of scenes...

Batman (1989)
- Every time Vicki Vale screams for no good reason
- "Honey, you'll never believe what happened to me today", plus when Jerry Hall faints
- The segment involving the newswoman dying laughing and that stupid Joker ad
- The sequence where the Joker and his henchmen deface the museum, set to a Prince song (which is not a key plot point in my opinion)
- The scene where the Joker uses the really long gun to bring down the Batwing

- Crazy ***** was happening around her, I think ANY woman would scream. It wasn't for "no good reason." Of course, they weren't thinking too hard about her. If she was in Corto Maltese, she'd be a lot tougher. In the novelization, she's much stronger, hardly ever screams.

- How is that in any way bad? He appeared to greet his lover, Alicia, and she thought he was dead, she fainted when he realized it was him and that he was alive (not to mention now he's a freak)

- That's straight out of the comics, bud. Try reading the Joker's first appearance in Batman #1. People die laughing with a huge grin and the Joker, appears on TV to tell the next guy he's screwed. Same thing in the film. In his wacky way, he stages a commercial (sadistically cruel), and in so-many words tells Gotham that they're all going to die if they use beauty/hygeine products.

- That was derivative of the subplot Burton and Hamm added, the idea that the Joker fancied himself a twisted artist. WB was adding Prince in whether or not Burton wanted. Luckily, Prince "got it" and wrote music that represented the voice of the Joker.

- Supported by physics. The longer the barrel of your gun, the more force your projectile will have. Add to that that it was an explosive shell and that you can't truly armor up a plane too much (due to weight), and it makes perfect sense.

Batman Returns
- Every scene that involves the Penguin riding around on his toy car
- The scene where Selena's brought to life with cat licks
- The absurd plotline with rocket launchers attached to penguins
- "Bruce Wayne? Why're you dressed up as Batman?" "Because he is Batman, you moron."

- Can't argue with you about that one, though I'd hardly consider it bad. It was a car that was made for the zoo before it was closed. Penguin was just using it.

- It was symbolic. Burton went for a mystical quality to make the film, well.... more mythical.

- Absurd? He was controlling the Penguins with sonic transmissions. Seems logical enough to me.

- Sadistically funny. And perfectly illustrates a key comic book point: no one really believes that Bruce Wayne could be Batman, so Shreck doesn't think it could possibly be true.

Batman Begins
- Rachel Dawes's character
- "Gentlemen, time to spread the word. And the word is -- panic."

- Meh. She was okay. Don't see why people hate her so much. Despite how much I loathe BB, I don't mind Dawes.

- Personally, I found everything Neeson did to be a high point of that film.

[Kevin Roegele]

Batman (1989)
The scene where the Joker uses the really long gun to bring down the Batwing

He's the Joker. He uses comedy props that have lethal uses.


[b]Batman Forever
- The stupidity for Robin to trust Two-Face near the end of the film


It's the Harvey Dent side that says, "At last justice is served. Let us die." So Robin trusts him. Then the Two-Face personna grabs him.


Batman Begins

- "Gentlemen, time to spread the word. And the word is -- panic."

I love that. Makes the terrorism connection as obvious as possible for stupid people.

[captain_jimbo]

Let me just give you one that beats all of these:

Batman: *Holding up his credit card.* "Never leave the cave without it!"

From Batman & Robin.

[Kevin Roegele]

Let me just give you one that beats all of these:

Batman: *Holding up his credit card.* "Never leave the cave without it!"

From Batman & Robin.

I'll take that over Gossip Gerty, Bob Kane's wife forced in just for the sake of it, screaming, "Let's show some gusto! Ha-ha-ha-HA!!!"

Kane would have been rolling in his grave had he not been alive at that point.

[hulkamania85]

Batman (1989)
- The segment involving the newswoman dying laughing and that stupid Joker ad
- The sequence where the Joker and his henchmen deface the museum, set to a Prince song (which is not a key plot point in my opinion)


-That's Joker's main method of killing people.
-Well, I thought the song was kinda catchy.

Also, that line from Batman Begins is great. Why should a film based on comics have realistic dialogue all the time? The dude was crazy and egotistical, I can buy him saying something dramatic.

[El Payaso]

What? What have I done now?

Re-open that wound.

[ab38416]

Arnold forcing his henchmen to sing "I'm Mr. White Christmas" was hilarious.

[Spidey]

Well, B&R was obviously the worst of the worst, and according to the elimination tournament results, the bat-ice-skating and "hockey team from hell" was the worst scene from that movie. So I'd call that the definitive WORST moment in Batman film history.

[ab38416]

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[dude love]

B89:

None.

BR:

None.

BF:
Butt-shots.
Nipples.
Neon Gotham.
Overly homosexual characters.

B&R:
Anything that doesn't involve Arnold Schwarzenegger.

BB:
90% of the dialog.

[CLARKY]

"nice coat"
"why do we fall ? "
I can't stand it.

[dude love]

Yeah me neither. It's so unnatural.

[SuperFerret]

"Tonight's forecast: A FREEZE is coming."

What!? I could understand a "cold front" or maybe even "freezing wind" but "a freeze", just what the hell is that? Arnold's worst freeze pun ever.

[AndrewGilkison]

Two-Face flipping his coin over and over again until he got the result he wanted. That goes against everything Two-Face stands for.

[gadgetfusion]

1. "Let's kick some ice!" and "Ice to meet you."

2. "Chicks dig the car."
"This is why Superman works alone."

3. "Holy rusted metal Batman!"

4. Nipples on the Batsuit

5. Batman and Robin surfing from the sky while Mr. Freeze flies away with some sort of moth wings.

6. "Was that over the top? I can never tell!"

7. Two-Face flipping his coin over and over again

8. The hockey team from Hell

9. "You get the ice, I'll get the iceman." which was soon followed by "I got mine, now where's yours?"

10. Penguin bites some guy's nose off

[baronghede]

Maybe this has been discussed here before but what is the deal with the blue make up on Nicholson's neck in 89 when he shoots Palance?

[fabman]

It's cause of his purple suit. Not intentional.

[AndrewGilkison]

Maybe this has been discussed here before but what is the deal with the blue make up on Nicholson's neck in 89 when he shoots Palance?

I think it was explained on the Batman Special Edition DVD extra, by the make up designer, but I can't remember what the explain was exactly. I do remember the make up designer said he hated that moment because in general, it was a filming blooper/mistake.

[union_jak]

Maybe this has been discussed here before but what is the deal with the blue make up on Nicholson's neck in 89 when he shoots Palance?
They got some of his white make up on the purple suit, so tried to put purple make up over the stain and accidentally got some on his neck as well. The scene was perfectly acted and filmed that they didn't reshoot.

[Gotham22]

Joker killing bruce's parents - Batman 89
No friendship between Batman and Gordon - Batman 89
A revengeful Batman - Batman 89
The Penguin - BR
Batman portrayed as a vigilante - BR
Two-Face - BF
The Batmobile destroyed -BF
A one seater batmlbile - B&R
Robin's suit - B&R
No Nicole Kidman again - B&R
Batgirl - B&R
Bane's portance - B&R
Mr. Freeze's suit - B&R
The Batmobile's name - BB
Gotham City itself - BB
Katie Holmes - BB
The realism - BB

[larryfilmmaker]

"You want to get nuts? Come On, Let's get nuts!"

.

I love that part of 89.

[larryfilmmaker]

3. "Holy rusted metal Batman!"



Wha??? This was one of the rare good parts. It was played off like a joke. Batman goes "What?!" and Robin says... "the metal, it's holy... and it's rusting!"

[kooguy911]

Joel Schumacher Commenting on the BF dvd:

"Just two guys in rubber, hangin out in the cave"

[GoogleMe94]

robin doing a power ranger wall jump in B&R

"batman! eeeeeehhhh!!"

"reinforced steel.....NOT GOOD!!"

"GET THE HEROOOOES!!"

"AAAH MY LUNGS ARE FREEZING!"

"so it IS the size of your gun that counts!"

"first gotham, then....DA WAAAAHHLLLD!!"

"its what i DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO that DEFINES me ARRR!"

"grr im batman....NICE COAT!"

"nskdadlblahdljdldpanicinducingtoxinjdkdlhblahddhwd"

[GoogleMe94]

I love that part of 89.

same here, great scene, how could anyone not like that?:huh:

[Hellion]

Any scene with Jam Carrey in Batman Forever...The one scene I sorta liked was when The Riddler is throwing his little bombs around the bat cave destroying it but what ruined it for me was when he shouts "JOYGASM!" or something...Jim Carrey just ruined it for me...

How does the Penguin scare people in Batman Returns? I was probably around six when the film came out...but Danny Devito's take on the Penguin was like the reason I wanted to see the film and continue to watch the film today...him plus Michelle's Catwoman...those 2 were always my favorite characters.

[CFE]

http://www.agonybooth.com/batman_robin/

This about sums it up :o

CFE

[ShaneHelms]

Batman portrayed as a vigilante - BR



:dry:

[Comic Book Boy]

On top of that, it contradicts Alfred's primary purpose of protecting Bruce's identity.

I wouldn't say that is his "primary" purpose.

[JB14]

Batman (89) and Returns are two of my favourite films but they are not without their fair share of 'stupid' errors, which can only have come from Burton being locked into his characters and their psychological disturbances rather then thinking about the films as 'whole' pieces, in addition to rushed production values and re-writes during filming.

In Batman, the bit bit where the Batwing fails to hit the Joker at all despite perfect aim is ridiculous and also the whole sequence at the end of the film where Batman fights three of the Joker's goons in the tower is daft because how the hell do they get up there in the first place? They are not with the Joker when he takes Vicki hostage and he says 'transportation for two' and they seem to come out of no-where.
Also, Burton never establishes that the Joker knows who Batman is prior to their spectacular showdown at the end of the film so that whole bit where the Joker says 'I was a kid when I killed your parents' and the whole 'who created who' thing really undermines what is (regardless) a fantastic still jawdropping film.

Returns equally has it is's fair share of silly errors. How on earth can the masquerade ball be held in a department store, blown up by Catwoman a few nights before? Also when Batman is dangling off the end of Catwoman's rope why isn't the department store buring below and has a car idly driving past it? How could Batman punch a hole through the floor of his car especially one that has a huge disc and plinth which can spin the car around?
Again, these little things should have been thought out better but Returns is still knock-out-the production design, acting, music override any of these daft bits.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Letting Joel Shumacher anywhere near the Batfilms.

[ab38416]

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[JB14]

This is what I think. Remember when Batman asks Joker, "you ever dance with the devil...?" He says that in his Bruce Wayne voice. Then a moment later he returns to his usual rasp, "I'm gonna kill you". I always assumed Joker was able to make the connection based on that line.


I guess you could read it like that, but then he does say that he asks it of all his 'prey'. There never seems to be any recognition on the part of the Joker as to who Wayne is and what he did to his parents never mind that he is actually Batman. I was re-watching the special edition the other day and apparently the ending was hastily re-written as it was being filmed so I guess that's why it seems a little disjointed. I don't think there were any re-shoots either so Burton wouldn't have been able to correct it even if he had noticed these things, which i'm sure he did.
Still awesome though.

[Darkest Knight]

- Batman and Robin (1997)

- Any and all Two-Face scenes from BF.

- Any and all Riddler scenes from BF.

- Kilmer's wooden acting, all through out BF.

- Penguins shooting missles.

And for all previous 4 films ...

The lack of character depth, character growth, story arcs, plot, meaningful themes, and most importantly ... heart.

[ab38416]

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[david icke]

(The full length version of Neal Hefti's Batman theme is playing right now on BBC radio 2, keyboard solos in the middle etc, nice to have that come on while on some Batman boards.)

The credit card bit from B&R was the 1st thing that came to my mind but another from that stink festival is the moment when Bats and Robin click their feet together and we get the instant ice skates...cannot be explained away no matter how hard you try, they don't even know theyre up against a 'Freeze' type villan until theyre on their way to the scene so you cant say they packed up their special Bat-skates, and ,besides the point, but why didnt they activate them rightaway?

[BubbaGump]

I never liked the mind-control Missile Penguins in Returns. It was just so..."worst moment."

And mind you, BR is my favorite of Burton's Batman films. I just hated that part. There's outlandish and there's attack-penguins. :dry:

[DocLathropBrown]

In Batman, the bit bit where the Batwing fails to hit the Joker at all despite perfect aim is ridiculous

That was an attempt by Burton to simulate the Joker's incorragable luck from the comics. It was a throwback to the comics, so tkae that one up with DC.

and also the whole sequence at the end of the film where Batman fights three of the Joker's goons in the tower is daft because how the hell do they get up there in the first place? They are not with the Joker when he takes Vicki hostage and he says 'transportation for two' and they seem to come out of no-where.

I wish Burton had covered this, it was in the script and the novelization. But that, understandably, would have taken the punch away from their introduction. Anyway, in the novel, when the Joker gets up into the belfry, the goons approach the Joker and tell him that they ran up to the cathedral to see what was going on and to avoid the Batman, so it was all a coincidence.

Also, Burton never establishes that the Joker knows who Batman is prior to their spectacular showdown at the end of the film so that whole bit where the Joker says 'I was a kid when I killed your parents'

It's meant to be interpretted in an unliteral sense. The Joker probably doesn't remember, so he's backpeddling to try and placate the man who's abot to rip his spine out. Or, he does remember the murder (maybe that was the only time he killed a kid's parents?) but that doesn't mean he knows who it was that he killed, or the identity of his child.

One doesn't always mean the other.

and the whole 'who created who' thing really undermines what is (regardless) a fantastic still jawdropping film.

Once again, an attempt from Burton to recapture some of the comics' mythic qualities. In the books, Batman and Joker have been fighting so long that they're bitter enemies, who both loathe each other. In two hours, you can't simulate that in the same way, since the Joker has to be born and die in the same film, so Burton and Skarron added the "creation" subplot to give them a reason to really loathe each other, so in that final battle, we see the bitter enemies from the comics. It was brilliant.

How on earth can the masquerade ball be held in a department store, blown up by Catwoman a few nights before?

Who says it was at the department store? And besides, there were many higher floors where it could have been held.

Also when Batman is dangling off the end of Catwoman's rope why isn't the department store buring below and has a car idly driving past it?

Continuity error. Every film makes one. It wasn't intentional on the production's part.

How could Batman punch a hole through the floor of his car especially one that has a huge disc and plinth which can spin the car around?

Burton didn't want us to think about these things, so he didn't try to make everything ultra-realistic. Because Comics aren't ultra-realistic. He wanted us to get caught up in the gravity of the moment.

[mcflytrap]

There was a guy in the tavern w/ Falcone that had red hair and two women with him. He looked just like the Flass from YO.

Um, that was Judge Faden...did you even watch the movie? And no, he didn't look like Flass at all.

[mcflytrap]

Val Kilmer's infamous "Tell me doctor, do you like the thircus?"

:D :D :D

He was definitely not our huckleberry in that movie.

[ShaneHelms]

? How could Batman punch a hole through the floor of his car especially one that has a huge disc and plinth which can spin the car around?


I always thought that part was cool. :ninja:

[mcflytrap]

B89:

- When Eckhardt dies, he just walks backward and hunches over...where's the entry wound?

- Dancing to Prince.

- Knox.

BR:

- "Eat floor. High fiber."

- Chip..."Dad, go! Thave yourthelf!"...."Dad. Time to go bring joy to the matheth."

[The-Dark-Knight]

All of Batman and Robin.

Bob Kane's wife over acting...:"Oh, there's Bruce Wayne!"

Bob Kane missing his cameo in Batman 1989.

Joker dieing.

Joker being the Wayne's killer.

Two-Face over acting, and so out of character.

Riddler's orange hair or pink or whatever it was.

The Sonar suit.

The Clooney suit.

The ice suits.

Clooney.

Chris O'donnel as Robin.

Robin's suit in B&R.

If you're gonna' have Nightwing's suit let him be Nightwing instead of ruining the suit by adding that cape and red bird, it looks better the way it should be plus, Robin should've kept his classic suit, all that time I waited to see him brought to life on the big screen and he only wears the Robin suit for a little bit at the end of Forever.:mad:

According to Scumacher, it was Coral.

[roach]

I used to hate Alfred letting Vicki into the Batcave until I re watched B89. Bruce went to her apartment to tell her eveything but was interupted by the Joker. Alfred was just helping Bruce out

[Mr. Socko]

In Batman'89, I never interpreted it as Joker just being lucky when Batman fired the guns and missiles at him. Batman's aim was perfect, he was even wearing the eye pieces to see in closer. I always saw it as Batman not wanting to kill Joker(or at that moment), he just wanted to scare him so he shoots around him.

Anyway, the one thing I never got is why, when Joker says, "you made me," Batman replies, "You made me first," Joker then says something to the effect of "I was just a kid then." Wait a second...Why and how does Joker even know what he's talking about? I'm sure Joker had killed several people throughout his life, so how would he know he killed Batman's parents...when he didn't even know Batman's secret identity...

There was never any indication that stated Joker knew that Bruce Wayne was Batman...well not that I recall.

[union_jak]

The Joker had to have known he killed the Wayne couple, it was all over the news. I doubt he forgot that night, and when he saw Bruce with Vicki it probably came back to him strongely and when Batman mentioned his parents at the end, the Waynes were probably fresh in his mind that he put 2 and 2 together. He might have had a better reaction if the circumstances weren't 'fight to the death'.

[SHADOWBAT69]

Anyway, the one thing I never got is why, when Joker says, "you made me," Batman replies, "You made me first," Joker then says something to the effect of "I was just a kid then." Wait a second...Why and how does Joker even know what he's talking about? I'm sure Joker had killed several people throughout his life, so how would he know he killed Batman's parents...when he didn't even know Batman's secret identity...

There was never any indication that stated Joker knew that Bruce Wayne was Batman...well not that I recall.


"I'm gonna kill you!"

"You idiot!! You made me, remember?"
"You dropped me in that vat of chemicals. That wasnt easy to get over. and dont think that I didnt try."

"I know you did."

"YOU KILLED MY PARENTS."

"Wha? What're you talking about?"

"I made you, you made me first."

"Heh. Hey bat-breath, I was a kid when I killed youre parents."


He told Joker that he killed his parents. By Jokers reaction, I always took it that he killed many as a younger "hood", so he may not know who exactly that Bruce is Batman. Just the kid of someone he killed.

[Mr. Socko]

"I'm gonna kill you!"

"You idiot!! You made me, remember?"
"You dropped me in that vat of chemicals. That wasnt easy to get over. and dont think that I didnt try."

"I know you did."

"YOU KILLED MY PARENTS."

"Wha? What're you talking about?"

"I made you, you made me first."

"Heh. Hey bat-breath, I was a kid when I killed youre parents."


He told Joker that he killed his parents. By Jokers reaction, I always took it that he killed many as a younger "hood", so he may not know who exactly that Bruce is Batman. Just the kid of someone he killed.

Very nice observation.

[Gianakin_]

I don't get why people don't like the "Eat floor. High fiber" line.

[Carusos Shades]

Bat Ski Boots,you never know when you mite need them!!

[blake]

The Bat-Creditcard from B&R... I'm sure the Dark Knight has an account at the Gotham City bank.

[union_jak]

The Bat-Creditcard from B&R... I'm sure the Dark Knight has an account at the Gotham City bank.
The Police probably pay his bills. I think in B&R Batman is now a public servant, an employee of the GCPD. Gordon bosses him around like he's indebted to him or something :huh::dry:

[Two-Face]

I didn't like when Bruce & Chase came to watch "Flying Graysons" show and Two-Face shows up and says he wants "one simple thing: Batman" and Bruce shouts "Harvey, I'm Batman" nobody heard? Gossip Gerty and Chase were next to him.

[union_jak]

I didn't like when Bruce & Chase came to watch "Flying Graysons" show and Two-Face shows up and says he wants "one simple thing: Batman" and Bruce shouts "Harvey, I'm Batman" nobody heard? Gossip Gerty and Chase were next to him.
Not to mention that the Mayor, the Commissioner and the Police Chief were there too... lol

[Milu]

Gordon yelling at Batman like he was his b*tch.
I think I even remember Batman hanging his head down afterwards, like a child put on time-out :dry: .

[Two-Face]

I'm surprised that Gossip Gerty didn't hear that, she was watching them chatting lol

[union_jak]

I'm surprised that Gossip Gerty didn't hear that, she was watching them chatting lol
Maybe you could help- whenever I watch that scene I get the impression that Edward Nigma is watching Bruce on tv. When Chase shouts out his name, Nigma reacts too. Was it badly edited, or do you think cameras were focused on them as well as Two-Face?

[Cain]

I don't get why people don't like the "Eat floor. High fiber" line.

I thought that was so cheesy it was the Keaton equivalent of Val Kilmer's Batman smile. If he would've just said "eat floor" and then boom drive her into the pavement it would've been passable but then he adds "high fiber" like "hey in case you didn't find it funny I'll drive the point home" and it comes across as corny.

One thing that always bothered me was when Kilmer's Bruce goes into the box room at Nygma's party. Dude knew Nygma was shady yet he actually believed that the chick riding with Nygma will really leave the machine off. It's like "hello you're Batman dude your instincts should've told you better."

[Two-Face]

Maybe you could help- whenever I watch that scene I get the impression that Edward Nigma is watching Bruce on tv. When Chase shouts out his name, Nigma reacts too. Was it badly edited, or do you think cameras were focused on them as well as Two-Face?

I think it tried to focus on all character reactions live on GNN :whatever:

[union_jak]

I think it tried to focus on all character reactions live on GNN :whatever:
lol so there's a chance the cameramen could have filmed him announcing he's Batman :woot::dry:

[Two-Face]

lol so there's a chance the cameramen could have filmed him announcing he's Batman :woot::dry:

That would been worse then Peter Paker taking his mask off on the train.:woot: :csad:

[BatmanEVH]

Very nice observation.

Remember, Batman said, "have you ever danced with the devil..." and the hit him? I do believe, that within the time Joker shot Wayne at Vales apartment is when he last said "danced with the devil." Then maybe two days later at the cathedral, Batman says the line and Joker remembers saying the same line to Bruce Wayne, and it's all coming back to Joker as he is getting wrecked.

[DocLathropBrown]

I thought that was so cheesy it was the Keaton equivalent of Val Kilmer's Batman smile. If he would've just said "eat floor" and then boom drive her into the pavement it would've been passable but then he adds "high fiber" like "hey in case you didn't find it funny I'll drive the point home" and it comes across as corny.

The only thing that saves it is how well Keaton delivers it. He's not trying to ham it up, and it comes across as appropriotely mocking and sarcastic, totally as if he does it to piss Catwoman off.

But yeah, Daniel Waters' script was full of bad lines. I'm glad most of them got removed.

[El Payaso]

Um, that was Judge Faden...did you even watch the movie? And no, he didn't look like Flass at all.

I think he probably meant Faden was far more Flass than Mark Boone Jr. Which I agree with.

[mystory64]

*Ahem* "Chicks dig the car" *Ahem*

[Cain]

"I've got to get me one of those."

[Penismightier]

"I've got to get me one of those."

With serious movies I always find that comedic moments that completely misfire are magnified because everything around it is so serious.

[Superman Prime]

I hate it when Batman mocks Ra's with the same line Ra's used against him: "You never learned to mind your surroundings." It's pathetic.

And then let's not forget:

Ra's: "This is familiar. Don't you have anything new?"

Batman: "How about this?!?"

I think it was the way Bale delivered the lines that made them absolutely atrocious and cringe-worthy.

[BubbaGump]

With serious movies I always find that comedic moments that completely misfire are magnified because everything around it is so serious.

Yeah, it has everything to do with contrast. That quote would've perfectly fit within B&R or BF.

[Mr. Socko]

I honestly didn't have a prob with "I've gotta get me one of those." But the two I really disliked were "Can you drive stick" and when Batman says "Excuse me" when he goes past the inmates. It was suppose to be comedic I guess, but really wasn't.

[The Kid]

Wow people finally see how awful those lines were.

Worst moment in any batfilm is definitely the batbutt, undisputably. Consequently, is there a Superman version of this thread somewhere?

[Mr. LOL]

"Eat floor, high fiber." Is ATROCIOUS.

Or how about "Be careful ... don't move." (tick, tock, tick, tock ... Batman continues to stand and not do anything)

Penguin come sout and throws an umbrella and the Ice Princess falls. And Batman, like a dumb ass, stands over the edge and watches. The whole time, just watches her fall to her death. Batman really would've done anything humanly possible to save her. Like, I don't know ... dive off the building, catch her and grapple onto the building. But no, that would be too Batman like for Burtonman Returns.

[Mr. LOL]

Penguins shooting rockets. C'mon, that's so incredibly lame.

Penguin's henchman stealing ALL OF GOTHAM'S 1st BORN SONS ... and there isn't a single policeman in the entire city on duty.

Henchman magically having an in depth diagnostic planogram to the Batmobile.

B'89 taking place on a intersection (Monarch Theatre, Fugelheim, Cathedral)

Batman Returns taking place inside of a Wal-Mart, which is SUPPOSED to be Times Square. But for such a huge city, it only fits maybe a maximum of 100 people during the tree lighting ceremony. Feels like the damn city square is the size of a shoe box. Oh, and the entire movie takes place in this confined area.

[Mr. Socko]

Wow people finally see how awful those lines were.

Worst moment in any batfilm is definitely the batbutt, undisputably. Consequently, is there a Superman version of this thread somewhere?


If there was, I'm sure this would be at the top of the list.

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[Cain]

With serious movies I always find that comedic moments that completely misfire are magnified because everything around it is so serious.

That's why "Nice coat", "Excuse Me", "Can You drive stick?", "Hey that's a nice ride" and "I've brought mine" especially make me cringe.

[Gianakin_]

That's why "Nice coat", "Excuse Me", "Can You drive stick?", "Hey that's a nice ride" and "I've brought mine" especially make me cringe.

Agreed.

[Cain]

I honestly didn't have a prob with "I've gotta get me one of those." But the two I really disliked were "Can you drive stick" and when Batman says "Excuse me" when he goes past the inmates. It was suppose to be comedic I guess, but really wasn't.

Yeah those were classically bad another thing that gets me is Watanabe's Fu Manchu like delivery.

[Gianakin_]

Yeah those were classically bad another thing that gets me is Watanabe's Fu Manchu like delivery.

Really? I thought it was a great delivery.

[Cain]

Really? I thought it was a great delivery.

I really found it obnoxious it just seemed so deliberately over the top, I felt like I was watching a 1930's serial or something. Liam Neeson expository dialogue and all completely saved that half of the movie for me along with Bale.

[Gianakin_]

Hm, when I heard him talk, I genuinely felt something creepy, especially the way he moved his eyebrow. That whisper did it for me, I guess.

[El Payaso]

I didn't get why Watanabe Ra's needed to be translated by Ducard and suddenly he knew English perfectly.

[Gianakin_]

That was indeed a bit strange, really.

[Carusos Shades]

The Bat-Creditcard from B&R... I'm sure the Dark Knight has an account at the Gotham City bank.

I'm not completely sure but I seem to remember the credit cards expiration date reads "Forever"!!

[Gianakin_]

Yes, it does.

[El Payaso]

Great quote in your sig btw, Gianakin. :)

[Gianakin_]

Thanks. I really don't like Bay, so does Luchastyle it seems.
Speaking of sigs, is yours a combination of TAS and BB quotes?

[El Payaso]

Correctomondo.

[LexCorp]

Always the Bat nipples

[Cyrusbales]

"Watch your surroundings" - for the third time in the film, ewwww.

Ice hockey goons

"From the moment I saw you, I loved you" - Terrible bit of characterisation, worst part of the film

Schreck still having eyeballs after being electrocuted?

Riddler's puzzles actually amounting to pretty much nothing, how anticlimactic.

[Gianakin_]

BR:
-B:"You're not the mayor"
-P:"Things change. You don't think you can win, do you?"
-B:"Things change"

I always cringe at that part. Batman Begins also had a few of these, but I find this extremely annoying (closely followed of course by "You'll never learn to mind your surroundings"). The answer Batman gives is just to use the same line. And I generally don't like in the movies when people use the opponent's line back to them.

[Cyrusbales]

"Why do we fall?" *cringe*

[El Payaso]

"Why do we fall?" *cringe*

Ah yes, the Batman begins' "With great power".

[Gianakin_]

I thought that was "It's not who I am underneath..."?

[Cyrusbales]

I thought that was "It's not who I am underneath..."?


Pick one, there's virtually no dialgoue in the entire film, I think it adds up to about 6 minutes in total throughout the entire film, the rest being monolgues or quipps.

[Gianakin_]

Pick one, there's virtually no dialgoue in the entire film, I think it adds up to about 6 minutes in total throughout the entire film, the rest being monolgues or quipps.

Oh, to be frank I have no real problem with the dialogue and to be even more frank, I think the "It's not who I am underneath..." line is actually pretty good. Forced? Yes. But I find it it to be true. I do believe that people define others by their actions, not by their true selves. So I agree wit the philosophy of it.

[Cyrusbales]

I agree with Wittgenstein's philosophy, doesn't mean I think he was any good at presenting it.

[Gianakin_]

Naturally. However, I have no real problem with it, so... (of course, I'm not talking about Wittgenstein).

[El Payaso]

I thought that was "It's not who I am underneath..."?

That too. the problem is Goyer thinks audiences are idiots so he needs to put everything 10 times so he's sure public is getting it.

But Why do we fall is more, since it was his father who told him that.

[Gianakin_]

Come to think of it, a combination of Goyer and Fox in Magneto (both think people are idiots) is gonna be... interesting.

[Cyrusbales]

Anyhow, I put bits from each film in my first post, so feel like I've poo-pooed everything :)

[Gianakin_]

No, you've been too fair to B&R and that's unforgivable.:cmad: :woot:

[Cyrusbales]

No, you've been too fair to B&R and that's unforgivable.:cmad: :woot:


Even so, you can't deny you laughed very hard during BnR!

After the depression of course.

[Gianakin_]

You're so right. I keep telling everybody the pure comedic (albeit absurd) value of B&R. However, I'm not crazy enough to suggest to them watching B&R and Batman 1966 back to back with pizzas and beers. I suspect they'll skewer me.

[Cyrusbales]

Of all the films, I found B89 was the hardest to find my worst bit, there is pretty much only one bit, maybe two that I didn't like.

Forever was tricky also, because there are lots of bad bits, if someone asks the best bits for it, then it's easy, Val Kilmer. But bad bit, pick one! lol.

[Gianakin_]

I disagree, I think that Michael Gough was great in it, too. Although (and I believe this) I think he truly shined (or is it shone?) in B&R.

[Cyrusbales]

Shone, and yeah, he was the other best bit for me.


Mr freeze was great comedy value though. If you wanted to make a spoof batman film, that would be ideal.

[Gianakin_]

You can't. You can't get any better than that. Or George Clooney playing George Clooney in a film starring George Clooney and the Cowl of Batman.

[Carusos Shades]

What about Robin and the rubber lips? "they're immune to your charms".

[Mr. Socko]

Pick one, there's virtually no dialgoue in the entire film, I think it adds up to about 6 minutes in total throughout the entire film, the rest being monolgues or quipps.


I just recently watched Begins and noticed just how many lines were stated over and over and over :wow:


Some of it worked like, "didn't you get the memo" but in the same exact scene when Batman repeats to Earle "I want to do what's best for the company blah blah." Earle had said those exact same lines just earlier in the film. Or when Batman repeats to Ra's the "you never learned to mind your surroundings" line:dry:

[Cain]

When Gordon shot down the train tracks and then proceeded to have a Kevin from Home Alone moment I wanted to throw my Heineken keg can at the IMAX screen.

[Milu]

Schreck still having eyeballs after being electrocuted?
After watching B89 and BR back to back, it puzzeled me as to why Schrek still had eyeballs, too, as well as his 'fro. Then again, it's Walken :o .

[Superman Prime]

When Gordon shot down the train tracks and then proceeded to have a Kevin from Home Alone moment I wanted to throw my Heineken keg can at the IMAX screen.

Hahaha! :oldrazz: That scene with Gordon in the Tumbler always makes me smile. It's so corny.

[Dr. Fate]

Batman getting his ass kicked by the big black thug in B89 and then magically turning around and kicking the Joker's ass.

Catwoman and her magic cats.

Pretty much any time Rachel Dawes opens her mouth.

[Cain]

Well tall & big black guy vs. pudgy old guy who uses a gun and doesn't fight & who's on his height level.

"You get the ice. I get the ice man."

"A laundry service that delivers."

Tom Wilkinson's Brooklyn accent

"We're on top of the main hub andit's gonna blow." LMFAO how convenient.

Riddler & Two-Face actually playing Battleship, though the action was pretty cool

The constant use of "Harvey Two-Face"

Yeah we hacked the Batmobile because somehow we magically got blueprints and they're in perfect condition.

Chip Shreck

Damn '89 really doesn't have much to hate lol well I agree with cyrusbales and the whole "I've loved you since I met you" only thing that saves that whole scene is "but he's out there and I've got to go to work" that's pure Batman right there.

EDIT: I remember one more it's a technical problem but it pisses me off because it was so easy to correct. Batman and Vicki are falling outside the cathedral, Vicki screams..............................stops screaming................................screaming resumes exactly where it left off like she never stopped lmao.

[Cain]

So the penguin dies swallowing the same toxic waste he was going to drown little children and then later Max Shreck in. It's poetic justice, except Penguin has Shreck hanging inside a cage over an area of the sewer water that is apparently not polluted by that toxic waste as he falls into it and comes out fine. No green toxic waste coming out his mouth.

[Cain]

Falcone's reaction to getting sprayed by the fear gas. Great job Tom Wilkinson (who really is an awesome actor just not in this movie IMO).

"At 20 degreeeezzzz yur hart vill freeeeeezzeee........und beet no moahhhhh."

Wow no ****, spoken like a true scientist there Vic I would've figured a frozen heart will continue beating with no problem. I'm gonna go ice my heart out right now so that it could match my iced out chain.

[El Payaso]

Batman getting his ass kicked by the big black thug in B89 and then magically turning around and kicking the Joker's ass.

?

He defeated the black guy and took his long while befoere going to the Joker, who, btw, was much weaker than the black guy and much easier to beat. I missed the magic in that.

Catwoman and her magic cats.

What... magic cats?

Pretty much any time Rachel Dawes opens her mouth.

Quoted to agree.

[Superman Prime]

That black dude was probably shot up with crack. I'm sure that contributed to his endurance.

[SHADOWBAT69]

BR:
-B:"You're not the mayor"
-P:"Things change. You don't think you can win, do you?"
-B:"Things change"

I always cringe at that part. Batman Begins also had a few of these, but I find this extremely annoying (closely followed of course by "You'll never learn to mind your surroundings"). The answer Batman gives is just to use the same line. And I generally don't like in the movies when people use the opponent's line back to them.


Seriously? Its not just in the lines, but in the scene and delivery. I thought this was one of the best scenes in Returns.

[Mr. LOL]

That black dude was probably shot up with crack. I'm sure that contributed to his endurance.
So crack heads can beat up Batman? The man who spent YEARS and YEARS training in various martial art skills? LOL

Ray Charles straight molly whopped his ass, in sun glasses in the dead of night, in a dark cathedral ... Batman, who couldn't beat the guy fair and square, decides to hide ... pop out, and kill the guy. BRILLAINT!!!

:oldrazz:

[Mr. LOL]

- Oh, Batman being played up as this MYTHICAL figure in GC ... a guy who drinks blood, ships criminals off rooftops to their death ... his car has to stop because of an accident ... and we see this miniture man pop out and start running down an entire city block. Little legs moving, huge heavy cape, and a woman taller than him running next to him. Absolutely killed the mytstery of the character up until that point.

- "Check his wallet" ... uhhh, you serious?

- "You weigh alittle more than 108."

[Mr. Socko]

- Oh, Batman being played up as this MYTHICAL figure in GC ... a guy who drinks blood, ships criminals off rooftops to their death ... his car has to stop because of an accident ... and we see this miniture man pop out and start running down an entire city block. Little legs moving, huge heavy cape, and a woman taller than him running next to him. Absolutely killed the mytstery of the character up until that point.

Crane: It's THE BAT-MAN!

Thug: The things they say about him....is it true?

Thug 2: Can he really fly?

Thug 3: I heard he can disappear!

[Mr. LOL]

I didn't say that was the bad part. Him being a midget, in what looks like his father's clothing (over-sized batman garb) running with little legs down an entire city block and no one is frightened or even put off by it. Complete kill joy right there of the image and mystery they built up.

[Joker]

I didn't say that was the bad part. Him being a midget, in what looks like his father's clothing (over-sized batman garb) running with little legs down an entire city block and no one is frightened or even put off by it. Complete kill joy right there of the image and mystery they built up.

As opposed to telling a homeless guy "Nice coat", on his big dramatic reveal scene.

And Keaton wasn't a midget. Stop exaggerating for the sake of attempting to be an ass.

[Superman Prime]

So crack heads can beat up Batman? The man who spent YEARS and YEARS training in various martial art skills? LOL

Ray Charles straight molly whopped his ass, in sun glasses in the dead of night, in a dark cathedral ... Batman, who couldn't beat the guy fair and square, decides to hide ... pop out, and kill the guy. BRILLAINT!!!

:oldrazz:

You fail to mention that Batman had also just walked up God-only-knows how many flights of stairs to reach the top.

[Mr. LOL]

As opposed to telling a homeless guy "Nice coat", on his big dramatic reveal scene.
But this was already mentioned ... :huh:

And Keaton wasn't a midget. Stop exaggerating for the sake of attempting to be an ass.
He wasn't a midget ... he LOOKED like a midget, running down the street ... with small peddling legs and a costume that looked like he was dragging along. It just was a bad scene. Don't take offense. It was utter buzz kill to see this little guy in an oversized bat-suit running down the street. Incredibly cheesy to watch. "Nice Coat" was bad, but it had already came after the dramatic reveal ... and it did make some bit of sense in terms of the context of what happened prior and who he was talking to. I'll take Batman being nice to a citizen albeit a corny like of a dialogue, as opposed to a serious scene, which comes off incredibly bad, as the actor playing Batman looking like a kid in Batman get up running down an entire city street ANY day of the week. I still see his little legs churning, as a woman taller than him is running next to him. haha It's just funny to watch, and it completely ruins the aura they set up prior to that scene. If he opened the roof of his car and grappled up the side of a building ... YEAH, awesome. But running down a street like Adam West? And not one single person is frightened, and Batman looks smaller than people he's passing? Yeah ... that's just flat out retarded.

[Mr. LOL]

You fail to mention that Batman had also just walked up God-only-knows how many flights of stairs to reach the top.
Yeah, but that's no excuse. He's Batman. He kicked everyone else's ass ... including the Joker. But coked up Ray Charles beats the living **** out of him? hahaha :woot:

Something isn't right with that outcome.

[Mr. Socko]

I didn't say that was the bad part. Him being a midget, in what looks like his father's clothing (over-sized batman garb) running with little legs down an entire city block and no one is frightened or even put off by it. Complete kill joy right there of the image and mystery they built up.


I'll give you pointers because the midget comment made me laugh, I'm imaging it now. tehehe

But like Ock said, you're exaggerating just to be an ass.


http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8008/batman287gr3.jpg

[Symbiotic]

B89 : 1. Joker killing the Waynes (though that scene was done masterfully, and better than Begins IMO.)
2. Joker dying.
........................... that's about it.
BR : 1. Penguin's dying.
2. Penguin biting the guy in the nose ( only b/c it used to creep me out as a kid).
......................... yeah, that's all.
BF : Dear God, here we go -
1. NIPPLES.
2. "I'll get drive through" - screwed up a perfectly intense intro.
3. The sparkly riddler suit.
4. The bright red riddler hair.
5. Two Face cracking jokes.
6. All the love scenes.
7. That annoying ass security guard. Just the way he said "my shoes are melting" made me want to thrash him. I'm sitting here like, damn, the guys only saving your life, yet you still feel compelled to ***** and moan?!
8. Two face was magically white again.
9. Much more.......

B&R : God help me -
1. The butt and cod piece close-ups
2. Dr. Isley being such a damn tight ass.
3. Bane being a dumbass.
4. Mr. Freezes wise cracks.
5. The hockey game.
6. When Robin busted through the wall with the bike and miraculously left the robin insignia in the wall.
7. Alicia Silverstone.
8. The batmobile
9. The bat credit card
10. Too much else...........

BB : Few minor issues.
1. "I'm Batman" then, immediately following, "Nice coat."
2. Though and awesome vehicle, I wish the Tumbler was more batified so to speak.
3. The way Scarecrow went out.
4. Ra's turning out to being white (although understandably so, seeing as though he would have been an Arabic terrorist - not a good trait for the times.)
5. Fat Flass (though I liked his performance). There was a guy in the tavern w/ Falcone that had red hair and two women with him. He looked just like the Flass from YO.
6. Commisioner Loeb - The guy they got to play him was a tall, clean cut, sophisticated looking guy. I always liked how the Loeb in the comics was a short, fat, hideous guy you'd love to hate.

......................... that's about it.best post I've read all day.

[Mr. LOL]

I'm not being an ass ... just pointing out how ridiculously bad that scene is. And in that pic Keaton has elevated boots on, and huge bat ears. Him and Viki are practically the same height. Someone get a gif of little Michael Keaton's legs churning as he runs in an oversized Batman costume. C'mon, it was freaking hilarious ... even though it breaks the absolute bad ass mystery they had been setting up for him. Seriously, someone make a gif of his little legs moving while he runs super slow, as a heavy cape drags him down.

[Joker]

I'm not being an ass

Yeah, you are.

C'mon, it was freaking hilarious

You seem to be the only one laughing. I didn't see anything funny about Batman running down a street.

[Mr. Socko]

The Batmobile in Batman & Robin was just one of the worst things about the movie.

Seriously, wtf was it. One seater...no top...6 little jet engine blowers in the back...Bat-tread...neon insides...

Even the Batmobile in BF was passable.

[Dr. Fate]

What... magic cats?




The ones that licked & chewed her back to life after Chris Walken pushed her to her death from the top of his building.

[Joker]

The ones that licked & chewed her back to life after Chris Walken pushed her to her death from the top of his building.

I know. It's almost like a 600 year old guy who revives himself by dipping himself in mystic goo.

You'd swear this was a comic book movie or something :oldrazz:

[ab38416]

So the penguin dies swallowing the same toxic waste he was going to drown little children and then later Max Shreck in. It's poetic justice, except Penguin has Shreck hanging inside a cage over an area of the sewer water that is apparently not polluted by that toxic waste as he falls into it and comes out fine. No green toxic waste coming out his mouth.

Actually, Penguin died because Catwoman destroyed that giant AC. The fire and heat caused by that as well as the heat from the rockets outside made Penguin get overheated.

[Mr. LOL]

The ones that licked & chewed her back to life after Chris Walken pushed her to her death from the top of his building.
True that.

[Mr. LOL]

You seem to be the only one laughing. I didn't see anything funny about Batman running down a street.
That's ok, cause this thread is asking what are your thoughts ont he worst moments in Batman films. Perception is reality for each and every person expressing their views.

[Superman Prime]

Yeah, but that's no excuse. He's Batman. He kicked everyone else's ass ... including the Joker. But coked up Ray Charles beats the living **** out of him? hahaha :woot:

Something isn't right with that outcome.

In your mind, Batman can never be pitted against a semi-worthy opponent. He had things working against him, but he still won. You say he "decides to hide ... pop out, and kill the guy. BRILLAINT!!!" ... but you forget that Nolan's Batman does that on a 9/10 basis (hiding and lunging out in surprise) . The surprise factor is implemented by Batman, because that's a big part of what makes him frightening: you don't know where he is. Batman in '89/BR just didn't overdo it. But when he finally does the 'disappear, wait, strike' manuever, it doesn't make sense to claim it as a negatively silly instance in the film.

I don't understand what people find so wrong with Batman finding a worthy opponent in a black guy. They always talk about how he got his ass handed to him. He did, in the first round. Batman still won the fight! Jesus. People, get over it already.

[Mr. LOL]

There are worthy oppononets out there ... but Ray Charles / MC Hammer's brother?

Why are you talking about Nolan's Batman movie? Not once did I mention it in any of my posts? Batman does disappear and strike ... and I assume you think BEGINS overdid it? Why? I don't know, considering you said that's what Batman actually does in the comics. He doesn't lolly gag, and pace himself up to an opponent. But when Batman appears and disappears ... he shows up and actually kicks someone's ass fair and square. Batman in this scene with Ray Charles sneaks up on him many a time and still gets his ass handed to him. So, in order to win, he puts his feet around his head and slings him to his death. Batman wouldn't need to do all that just to beat up Ray Charles in a leather jacket. It has nothing to do with him being black that's funny. It's the fact he takes out all these ninjas, and people with swords coming out of their ass ... and then this stalky black guy just straight puts his foot and fists in Batman's ass ... and Batman is utterly helpless. I wouldn't call that Batman winning a fight. He cowardly hides and then drops him to his death, because he couldn't just appear and kick his ass. Ray Charles OWNED Batman in that movie. So, Bats couldn't win in a fight, so he develops a plan to kill the guy. Kind of like in BR. I can't knock or take this guy out, so I'll just kill him instead. CHICKEN ****.

[Superman Prime]

Why are you talking about Nolan's Batman movie? Not once did I mention it in any of my posts? Batman does disappear and strike ... and I assume you think BEGINS overdid it? Why? I don't know, considering you said that's what Batman actually does in the comics.

I'm saying that BB emphasized it to a great degree. And you, being an avid defender of Nolan's vision (from what I can tell), I thought had a problem with Batman in '89 pulling a hardcore stealth move. It was weird coming from you. But I guess it was the nature of what he did, and the moral implications, etc. that have you irked.


He doesn't lolly gag, and pace himself up to an opponent. But when Batman appears and disappears ... he shows up and actually kicks someone's ass fair and square. Batman in this scene with Ray Charles sneaks up on him many a time and still gets his ass handed to him. So, in order to win, he puts his feet around his head and slings him to his death. Batman wouldn't need to do all that just to beat up Ray Charles in a leather jacket.

This discussion is pointless. However, I want you to take these possibilities into account, just to help you get into the mindset of common sense thinking for future reference:


a) Regardless of being a ninja, or having undertaken years of vigorous training for endurance: he had walked up a bunch 'o effing steps! Flights upon flights. He's a human man that can eventually get worn down. Batman never was Superman.

b) Prior to the Black VS Bat scene, we witnessed Batman kicking the asses of henchmen. This is proof that he isn't incompetent.

c) Even if you don't buy into the 'Batman was too exhausted to be at his full potential', refer to (b) .... there must be something special about this henchman. What is wrong with a henchman also having spent vigorous hours training in ninjitsu or whatever else? Nothing.


He cowardly hides and then drops him to his death, because he couldn't just appear and kick his ass. Ray Charles OWNED Batman in that movie. So, Bats couldn't win in a fight, so he develops a plan to kill the guy. Kind of like in BR. I can't knock or take this guy out, so I'll just kill him instead. CHICKEN ****.

I see it as Batman doing what needed to be done. Batman in '89/BR is the primordial version of the character who had few reservations about knocking off some punks to ensure victory.

Not arguing against your opinion, just stating mine really. I also want to inspire some people around here to use common sense (see above).

[Mr. LOL]

This thread or my posts wasn't lacking "common sense" ... the scene I was describing, IMO, lacked any sort of "sense". It was like, let's throw in a scene of Batman getting his ass kicked, just because. The scene is pitiful. And I find it disturbing that each and every negative aspect pointed out on any and all scenes from either B'89 or BR in this forum is met with responses and defense ... but for problems pointed out in BF, B n R, and BEGINS ... oh, the bashing continues. B'89 and BR had just as many stupid, corny, and utterly pointless scenes as the rest.

I'm gauging how full of **** some of these people are in this thread. Look how fast someone rushed to my comments on what I thought was bad coming from B'89 or Returns. Not a post or two later people were writing lengthy disagreements. **** outta here, kids. Your precious B'89 and Returns had plenty of crappy moments, themselves. Yet, I don't see fans of BF, BEGINS, or even B n R taking to such defense over statements made where people thought there was bad scenes with this or that for any of the other movies. They kiddingly mock. But the second it happens to the Burton films, everyone puts on their cape and tries to be a hero and defend. Get away w/ that crap in this forum, try it some where else. I can name more crap from B'89 and Returns (both great movies) ... where there was plenty of absolute **** moments from a Batman film.

This really was all just a test. So go ahead Burton groupies. Go ahead being insecure about any and all other Batman films, both from the past and coming up in the future. Smart fans know which one did it the best ...

[SHADOWBAT69]

People are "taking offense" , because once again, you are simply insulting Keaton and the Burton movies. Bad scenes, calling Keaton a midget. It gets old. What I dont understand is, in one thread you say you like the movies, great memories, blah, blah, blah, but then, you make posts like the ones in this one. Critisizm and insults. It doesnt make any sence. If you say you like a movie, but then come off with all these supposed problems with it, how can you actually like it? You have inconsistent posts that contradict. You say you "test" the posters of this forum. For what? To cause arguments and trouble? So you can post your profanity laden comments? People are tired of it.

[Gianakin_]

Seriously? Its not just in the lines, but in the scene and delivery. I thought this was one of the best scenes in Returns.

Well, if we talk about the delivery, then I'd have to convict it even more. One of the worst moments of Keaton's Batman deliveries. Even the whole jaw/mouth made the whole thing awkward to me.

[Gianakin_]

People are "taking offense" , because once again, you are simply insulting Keaton and the Burton movies. Bad scenes, calling Keaton a midget. It gets old. What I dont understand is, in one thread you say you like the movies, great memories, blah, blah, blah, but then, you make posts like the ones in this one. Critisizm and insults. It doesnt make any sence. If you say you like a movie, but then come off with all these supposed problems with it, how can you actually like it? You have inconsistent posts that contradict.

Excuse me for coming in between this, but can't someone like the movie with all its faults?
Begins is my favorite Bat-movie to date, but I'll recognize the repeated lines, the horrible one-liners, the crappy action scenes etc etc.
Now imagine, my saying "crappy scenes". It's an insult, isn't it? Now, imagine Mr. LOL's "Keaton is a midget". Same level of insult I'd say.
If the guy found it hilarious, I find it unfair of others to jump on him like that.
Cain found Watanabe's speeches kinda funny, I found them creepy. I asked him about it but that's it.
People here do use common sense usually, but sometimes I have to note that they are being kinda over-protective when a comment for Burton's duology arrives. On the other hand, so as not to be unfair, I think Mr. LOL is wrong when he says that when others comment against BB or TDK, people are way more relaxed, beause it's about the same deal.
Another point I'd like to make, and correct me if I'm wrong or if I've missed it, is that Mr. LOL didn't bring Nolan or BB up in this argument and someone did bring it up as a counter-argument. That's how these things start. Even if thy jumped on him or were overly harsh to his comments, when you say "Yeah, like Nolan's Batman is better, right?", eh, then the whole thing goes to hell.

Just what I thought of this little incident here. No offense to any side, really.

[DocLathropBrown]

And Mr. LOL puts his foot in his mouth in front of everyone again!

Tell me, LOL, what's it like being a moron? To contradict yourself and behave irrationally, immature and overly-defense? Intolerant, short-tempered and egotistical? For most of the board to hate you, and to constantly make yourself look like a complete and utter ass? To have weak, unfounded and amatuerish arguments and to be proven wrong over and over and over again? To dish it, but not be able to take it?

You've outed yourself as a fool, yet again. Now, leave the thread and wait for the heat to die down, then come back when you think people've forgotten. Just like you always do.

[Gianakin_]

...Did I miss something? Does he have a history here?

[The Empire Ape]

And not one single person is frightened, and Batman looks smaller than people he's passing? Yeah ... that's just flat out retarded.

Heheh, Bale would have looked smaller than a lot of people, too.

[The Empire Ape]

This thread or my posts wasn't lacking "common sense" ... the scene I was describing, IMO, lacked any sort of "sense". It was like, let's throw in a scene of Batman getting his ass kicked, just because.

Hmm. Did you just start to like Batman because of Batman Begins? Have you ever read Batman comics? Before Batman was made a metahuman by Frank Miller and his fan crowd, Batman was sometimes beaten by ordinary criminals with a little bit luck.

[Joker]

Oh good, Mr. LOL got banned. Good riddance. He was nothing but a stirrer.

[DeaDheaD]

Worst moment for me was Danny Devito and the whole Penguin character.

[SHADOWBAT69]

...Did I miss something? Does he have a history here?

Yes, but its been dealt with, so now we can get on with the discussion.

[SHADOWBAT69]

Ive been really thinking about this, and I think, for me, the worst moment was in Forever, at the circus. Bruce stands in the crowd and shouts, "Harvey! I'm Batman!"

[Genosha]

Worst moment in a Batman film?



Batman smiling while in his suit after visiting Chase in her bedroom in Forever.

To me, that one smile destroyed what I liked about Batman and, IMO, was the single worst thing Schumacher ever did with this character.

Just sad................

[Joker]

The Bat credit card in B and R.

[echostation]

while i loved Batman 89, i hated the museum scene... i just thought it was pointless and stupid... to me it felt very much like something the 60s campy joker would do with the stupid music and dumbass thugs. I did love though what he did after when trying to scare the crap out of Vicky vale, but hated the initial "musical number dance scene"

[Penismightier]

Ive been really thinking about this, and I think, for me, the worst moment was in Forever, at the circus. Bruce stands in the crowd and shouts, "Harvey! I'm Batman!"

Yes, that just screams of not understanding the character more than anything done in the Schumacher films.

[Penismightier]

while i loved Batman 89, i hated the museum scene... i just thought it was pointless and stupid... to me it felt very much like something the 60s campy joker would do with the stupid music and dumbass thugs. I did love though what he did after when trying to scare the crap out of Vicky vale, but hated the initial "musical number dance scene"

Gentleman, let's broaden your mind. Lawrence?

[BatMatt]

I never understood all the complaints about "Ray Charles" kicking Batman's ass. He just walked out of a plane crash, he was wounded before he even entered the Cathedral and that's should be pretty obvious

[CConn]

I never understood all the complaints about "Ray Charles" kicking Batman's ass. He just walked out of a plane crash, he was wounded before he even entered the Cathedral and that's should be pretty obvious
The idea of Ray Charles kicking Batman's ass can't possibly be a bad thing.

Also, if it works for Rocky, why NOT Batman?

[CConn]

while i loved Batman 89, i hated the museum scene... i just thought it was pointless and stupid... to me it felt very much like something the 60s campy joker would do with the stupid music and dumbass thugs. I did love though what he did after when trying to scare the crap out of Vicky vale, but hated the initial "musical number dance scene"
Um, uh, y'see, I don't know if you know, but the Joker...he's kinda insane.

He does random, pointless, insane things all the time just to show he has no grasp on reality.

The "campy dance number" was exactly that; to show the level of Joker's insanity.

[Mr. Socko]

Really disliked Catwoman jigging Batman in the gut with her nail and it splinters right through his suit stabbing him. While the same suit can deflect bullets traveling at 100mph...

[Dr. Fate]

Really disliked Catwoman jigging Batman in the gut with her nail and it splinters right through his suit stabbing him. While the same suit can deflect bullets traveling at 100mph...
Good point.

[BatMatt]

Good point.

i think she got him in the undersuit, not the armour, she got him where not many bullets hit people

[souloffire]

So crack heads can beat up Batman? The man who spent YEARS and YEARS training in various martial art skills? LOL

Ray Charles straight molly whopped his ass, in sun glasses in the dead of night, in a dark cathedral ... Batman, who couldn't beat the guy fair and square, decides to hide ... pop out, and kill the guy. BRILLAINT!!!

:oldrazz:Let's see how well you fight after a plane crash.

[Joker]

i think she got him in the undersuit, not the armour, she got him where not many bullets hit people

Yeah, she stabbed him in the side. You can see him removing it in the batcave.

[SalaciousVC]

Two-Faces origin in Batman Forever being reduced to something for 5 seconds on a tv that bruce is watching :(

[Mr. Socko]

i think she got him in the undersuit, not the armour, she got him where not many bullets hit people
Yeah, she stabbed him in the side. You can see him removing it in the batcave.

Sorry fellas, I would let this idea slide had Batman been wearing the spandex look with kevlar under it. But that is no excuse at all, it's never pointed out in any scene that one portion of the suit is less resistant than the other. The entire point of the bulky rubber suit is so he is entirely resistant to anything that can pierce his skin. The undersuit is armor, the entire thing is.

[SHADOWBAT69]

Sorry fellas, I would let this idea slide had Batman been wearing the spandex look with kevlar under it. But that is no excuse at all, it's never pointed out in any scene that one portion of the suit is less resistant than the other. The entire point of the bulky rubber suit is so he is entirely resistant to anything that can pierce his skin. The undersuit is armor, the entire thing is.

technically its a slick skin wetsuit with some latex.lol:oldrazz:

[Mr. Socko]

I hated the moments in Batman Begins when they just tried to force the sentimental phrases that just didn't belong. "Why do we fall Bruce," that and they had to say it several times, repeat after repeat. "This is the theme of our movie, and we're going to say it so many times that you'll memorize it." Then there was the cliched lines Rachel kept spouting..."This is your real face Bruce!" "It's not who we are, it's what we do blah blah." That dialogue felt way more fake and scripted, "this is a movie" type thing than it did things you'd hear in real life.

[echostation]

It didn't show his insane side at all... it just showed a stupid corny, completely unthreatening side... it was pointless, i sat dead bored there cringing at how stupid the on goings were...

that said the part right after where he's scaring the crap out of Vale and from there onwards was great... that felt real and creepy and insane... the earlier part was just garbage

[LexCorp]

I hated the moments in Batman Begins when they just tried to force the sentimental phrases that just didn't belong. "Why do we fall Bruce," that and they had to say it several times, repeat after repeat. "This is the theme of our movie, and we're going to say it so many times that you'll memorize it." Then there was the cliched lines Rachel kept spouting..."This is your real face Bruce!" "It's not who we are, it's what we do blah blah." That dialogue felt way more fake and scripted, "this is a movie" type thing than it did things you'd hear in real life.

It's what I do that defines me.....

Yeah I know what you mean, it felt like a way to get the Rachel character to say...

hey bruce said that line...so did batman...wait a second :wow:

[union_jak]

i think she got him in the undersuit, not the armour, she got him where not many bullets hit people
Yeah, it seems that way, I mean she searches around with her hand- "No... that's not you," feels a bit lower, "Ahh there you are," smack!

[Carusos Shades]

"Batgirl? Well thats not very PC,how about batwoman or batperson ?"(clooney wobbles head).

[Two-Face]

Two-Faces origin in Batman Forever being reduced to something for 5 seconds on a tv that bruce is watching :(


Shame really.

[Super_Ludacris]

Joker's fat ass prancing around to Prince in the art gallery

When Jack calls out Batman at the chemical plant and he akwardly turns around looking like Beaker from the muppets

Penguin finding a toy model Batmoblie to simultaneously control the real Batmobile

Two-Face's overeacting like a bytch to everything Batman does in the opening fight

The Cha-Ching sound when Batman pulls out the batcard

Bane "in disguise" in the car with Ivy

The cop just allowing Rachel to cross the bridge without seeing any form of identification

[Two-Face]

Joker's fat ass prancing around to Prince in the art gallery

When Jack calls out Batman at the chemical plant and he akwardly turns around looking like Beaker from the muppets

Penguin finding a toy model Batmoblie to simultaneously control the real Batmobile

Two-Face's overeacting like a bytch to everything Batman does in the opening fight

The Cha-Ching sound when Batman pulls out the batcard

Bane "in disguise" in the car with Ivy

The cop just allowing Rachel to cross the bridge without seeing any form of identification


Yeah that was funny, that shows how Gotham's Police Force is bent.

[Super_Ludacris]

lol@ the power Katie Holmes

"You cant cross Miss"
*looks at him*
" I am with the DA's office"

" Aight..."


LOL!

Nolan's a genius with the subliminal comedy

[Two-Face]

"I'm Gotham City Discreet Attorney"


Yeah right, of course you are :whatever: :D

[david icke]

whoops, double post somehow.

[david icke]

I like the way it looks aesthetically but it defeats the purpose...when Bats throws down the smoke bomb at the chemical plant to cover his escape from the cops he then pokes his cape/wings out thru the smoke making himself much more visible.

[Super_Ludacris]

LOL!
and him struggle in the suit to escape before the smoke clears

[david icke]

So obvious he cant turn his head in that scene when he's looking around at both cops at each end.

Oh yeah, and the Joker's hand looks like a wooden painted hand on a stick when it pokes out thru the chemical river, not a twitch.

[roach]

I like the way it looks aesthetically but it defeats the purpose...when Bats throws down the smoke bomb at the chemical plant to cover his escape from the cops he then pokes his cape/wings out thru the smoke making himself much more visible.

I always took that scene as Batman's attempt at making himself seem supernatural. The smoke wasnt to cover his getaway but to cover the fact that he used a grappling hook and didnt fly

[Super_Ludacris]

When he turns his head (or tries to by shifting his body) his head wobbles a little, it reminds of Beaker from the muppets so much lol

[Penismightier]

I always took that scene as Batman's attempt at making himself seem supernatural. The smoke wasnt to cover his getaway but to cover the fact that he used a grappling hook and didnt fly

That's exactly the way I took it. It never even occurred to me that someone didn't think that was the case. It's interesting to think about, though. My opinion is that with such an obvious illusion he wouldn't be hiding his getaway, but hiding the grappling hook so they couldn't exactly tell HOW he got away.

[david icke]

I always took that scene as Batman's attempt at making himself seem supernatural. The smoke wasnt to cover his getaway but to cover the fact that he used a grappling hook and didnt fly

Suppose I'm going by the way he uses them in the comics, on watching the scene I thought he was using them for cover and Burton just thought the cape expanded looked better than him obscured. If it was in the comics I'd say he was using it for cover as he aint bulletproof and the cops have their guns drawn but since he is bullet proof to an extent, you're interpretation holds up, yeah.

[david icke]

When he turns his head (or tries to by shifting his body) his head wobbles a little, it reminds of Beaker from the muppets so much lol

That's waht's gonna be in my mind now too, SL, not a bad thing I might add.

[david icke]

That's exactly the way I took it. It never even occurred to me that someone didn't think that was the case. It's interesting to think about, though. My opinion is that with such an obvious illusion he wouldn't be hiding his getaway, but hiding the grappling hook so they couldn't exactly tell HOW he got away.

Yeah, i was going by the cops approaching with drawn guns, he was making it harder for them to shoot, as I said, that would be the norm in the comics.

edit2add: But yeah, what you're saying about hiding the method of 'flight' makes sense as , thinking back on it, he makes a very obvious move to throw the bomb that any of the cops on the ground wouldve seen, he wouldnt have gotten away with pretending he could conjure up smoke Dracula style.