Is "V" Gay?

[Aquari0217]

My guess, from watching the film, is that the lady that wrote the letter found in the prison was arrested for being gay. Her and her partner were arrested.

Why else were they arrested?

V was in this same prison.

Think about it....

[TM2 Rampage]

Read the book (comic). Aside from homosexuals, they put non-whites, people of certain religions, etc. into those camps as well.

[Nivek]

Should've phrased the question better, threads probobly going to get closed or deleted.

No, even though V is fairly ambiguous in his identity, I dont think he was gay. Given the hints, Im more willing to say he was a protestor who was some sort of scientist/botonist.

[ShadowBoxing]

Maybe...I think he was meant to represent any and all oppressed minorities though

[Elijya]

Should've phrased the question better, threads probobly going to get closed or deleted.

nah, I know what he means

people put into the camps probably fell into the same categories as those that were victims of the nazis:

Non-Whites
Non-Christians
Homosexuals
Dissenters
The elderly/the diseased/the weak
foreigners

V could have been any one of these before coming to Larkhill. I think it doesn't matter though, because V is not the person he was before he entered Larkhill. He's arguably not even a human being anymore, depending on how philosophical you want to get.

I think if the author wanted you to know what V was before he came to Larkhill, he probably would have told you, wouldn't he have?

[hulkamania85]

I doubt it. Just because he was against the oppression of gays doesn't mean he himself was gay.

[MaskedManJRK]

The idea of "V" has no sexual idenity, since he is a not a man.

Now, the man portraying the idea, I don't think he was gay; in fact, it looked like he was attracted to Evey.

[Aquari0217]

"Unity in Faith" - The posters seen on some buildings.

What opposes faith in today's society? Being Gay or one can argu being Muslim.

The Government used ppl of non faith to experiment on.

I dont think it had to do with skin color. However, I didn't read the comics, yet the movie suggest faith.

[Aquari0217]

The idea of "V" has no sexual idenity, since he is a not a man.

Now, the man portraying the idea, I don't think he was gay; in fact, it looked like he was attracted to Evey.

I think V and Evey had a connection beyond sexual attraction. I have to watch this movie a few more times...it was fantastic!

[Elijya]

dude? no

[Aquari0217]

Should've phrased the question better, threads probobly going to get closed or deleted.


Freedom! :)

[Lt. Figgnuts]

What opposes faith in today's society? Being Gay or one can argu being Muslim.


Eh, I don't know about that one.

I guess you could consider homosexuality an enemy of faith, but if you're looking at it from an uber-conservative standpoint, so are a LOT of things.

[MaskedManJRK]

Eh, I don't know about that one.

I guess you could consider homosexuality an enemy of faith, but if you're looking at it from an uber-conservative standpoint, so are a LOT of things.

Yeah. If you want to really get deep in it, eating meat on Sundays is an enemy of faith.

[MaskedManJRK]

I think V and Evey had a connection beyond sexual attraction. I have to watch this movie a few more times...it was fantastic!

I can see what you're saying (and I completely agree), but some parts of the movie made me think there was also some attraction to her.

Their first encounter, after V saves her, with the expanded diologue, it made V sound a little flirty to me.

Also, when V's cooking the day after, and Evey sees his hands, it sounded like V was saddened that she was potentially repulsed by his scarred hands.

Him asking her to dance also gave that idea. He almost reminded me of the guy asking the hot girl to dance at the dance, but in the slightly nervous/excited way, and not in the immature bastard high school way.

Finally, his death scene. He says blantently that he loved her and that she was the one who opened his heart again.

I agree there was love, but I think there was a hint of V yearning for her, to make his love become his lover.

[Aquari0217]

I can see what you're saying (and I completely agree), but some parts of the movie made me think there was also some attraction to her.

Their first encounter, after V saves her, with the expanded diologue, it made V sound a little flirty to me.

Also, when V's cooking the day after, and Evey sees his hands, it sounded like V was saddened that she was potentially repulsed by his scarred hands.

Him asking her to dance also gave that idea. He almost reminded me of the guy asking the hot girl to dance at the dance, but in the slightly nervous/excited way, and not in the immature bastard high school way.

Finally, his death scene. He says blantently that he loved her and that she was the one who opened his heart again.

I agree there was love, but I think there was a hint of V yearning for her, to make his love become his lover.

I agree. Good post.

[MaskedManJRK]

I agree. Good post.

Thankies. :D

[DOG LIPS]

Regardless, I'm glad they really gave no hint as to who he was, or what kind of man he was before the bad stuff. It really added to the character to not really know anything about him, or to ever see his face. :up:

[matrix_ghost]

Wel l the whole notion of V is that , the less you know about him the more you invest in his ideals .
I mean you even see this with actors. When you have acotrs like Adam Sandler or Paul Walker or hat guy who plays Jack on Will and Grace and then hearing that they are playing in a very serious drama movie , it's just hard for you to accept them in such a role.
Because you have knowlegde of the actors previous work , it's very distracting for you to watch such a drama movie.

That is why with V there's really no backstory.



Having said that , you guys should read the novel . Some books have a few pages at the end where Moore discusses the book and the creation.
Originally V was a transsexual terrorist in white make up who used the name of The Doll to wage war on britain.
The idea was ditched but the inspiration was there.
So you could say that V was a transsexual.
Or a person who was an actor. Which might explain his love for theatre , music and art.
Or a scientist who loved the arts

[patrickbateman]

man i cant wait to see this movie

[Yodaman]

In the movie they made it kind of seem like he might have been some sort of mutant or at least something above human, especially how he was able to survive that fire when he came out so horrifically scarred. The comic was a little more vague about it.

[Xofenroht]

He was the one who started the fire in the first place.

And really, I don't think "The Man from Room 5's" sexual orientation matters. What I love about V is that he could have been anybody before Larkhill. He was not attracted to Evey Hammond, at least not in the book. Evey was deeply attracted/attached to him.

[Elijya]

well we know he was experimented on, neither version went into specific details about what the results of the experiments were on him.

[Aquari0217]

Having said that , you guys should read the novel . Some books have a few pages at the end where Moore discusses the book and the creation.
Originally V was a transsexual terrorist in white make up who used the name of The Doll to wage war on britain.
The idea was ditched but the inspiration was there.
So you could say that V was a transsexual.
Or a person who was an actor. Which might explain his love for theatre , music and art.
Or a scientist who loved the arts

:eek:

[Comic Book Boy]

Yes, I think the graphic novel strongly implies that he is gay.

[MaskedManJRK]

Yes, I think the graphic novel strongly implies that he is gay.

How, pray tell?

[Mr. Socko]

You'll never know if he's gay or not or anything then what we've been told.

V is the meaning of freedom, he's not just a man, he's an idea. Thats why you can't know too much about him. We don't know alot about him, just that he's a man in a mask who stands for freedom and peace for the people. You take off his mask and we're only confined to just a mere man, he's not looked at the same. You say "oh, so this is the man who did all of those things". Just in a mask you say "He can never die, he's not a man, he's an idea. He stands for us all"

[Comic Book Boy]

How, pray tell?
Because he was in the same facility as the lesbian, I guess all the gays were put in the same facility.
In the graphic novel Evey complains about how he shows no interest in her sexually whatsoever. I'm sure there are other examples too.

[The Squirrel]

Because he was in the same facility as the lesbian, I guess all the gays were put in the same facility.
In the graphic novel Evey complains about how he shows no interest in her sexually whatsoever. I'm sure there are other examples too.


There are some girls I don't show sexually interest in. Doesn't mean I'm gay, just means they're not my type.

And I don't think they put all the gays in one cell block together, they probably just put them there depending on what type of experiments where being done on them.

[MaskedManJRK]

Because he was in the same facility as the lesbian, I guess all the gays were put in the same facility.
In the graphic novel Evey complains about how he shows no interest in her sexually whatsoever. I'm sure there are other examples too.

They basically put just about everyone that wasn't a white protostant who agreed with the current government in the concentration camps.

And like what Squirl said, he may not have felt any attraction to her in the GN, doesn't make him gay (though in the movie, it's pretty much the oppisate).

If anything, I think he might have been transexual, since that was Moore's original concept of what would become V for Vendetta.

[DOG LIPS]

I think people are looking into the lesbian in the next cell thing too much. That doesn't mean anything. It was a place to experiment on people who did wrong. He wasn't in the "Gay Ward". Would you make advances on a woman if you were Spawn-style crispy? He may not of even had the equipment. I'm tired. :(

[MaskedManJRK]

I think people are looking into the lesbian in the next cell thing too much. That doesn't mean anything. It was a place to experiment on people who did wrong. He wasn't in the "Gay Ward". Would you make advances on a woman if you were Spawn-style crispy? He may not of even had the equipment. I'm tired. :(

Okay, imagine this for a second:

Alan Moore writing Spawn.

:eek:

[StorminNorman]

I have not yet read the Graphic Novel (planning on doing it really really soon after seeing that fantastic movie), but the impression I got was that there was some attraction to Evey romantically. Now could it of been my heterosexual brain skewing my opinion, possibly - but thats what I saw.

[Abbey_Normal]

I can see what you're saying (and I completely agree), but some parts of the movie made me think there was also some attraction to her.

Their first encounter, after V saves her, with the expanded diologue, it made V sound a little flirty to me.

Also, when V's cooking the day after, and Evey sees his hands, it sounded like V was saddened that she was potentially repulsed by his scarred hands.

Him asking her to dance also gave that idea. He almost reminded me of the guy asking the hot girl to dance at the dance, but in the slightly nervous/excited way, and not in the immature bastard high school way.

Finally, his death scene. He says blantently that he loved her and that she was the one who opened his heart again.

I agree there was love, but I think there was a hint of V yearning for her, to make his love become his lover.

Well said, but you forgot the scene where he shows her Valerie's shrine. Just before she leaves she stands right about an inch away from him and just looks at him like she's waiting for something, and he's all tense, and then she just says "Thank you" and walks off. It was pretty subtle but they were still shooting off sparks :ghost:

In the graphic novel, their relationship was very much that of a father and daughter or a mentor and student with a little bit of chaste romance thrown in, but not sexual at all. I figured it was because Evey was just 16 and V was probably old enough to be her father.

[Masut]

If V were gay, he wouldn't be taking so much pleasure in doing this:

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6421/vfvbaldanigr5oj.gif

[Abbey_Normal]

Meheh. Saw that on the behind the scenes video. The only thing that would make it better is if he were in full costume while doing it :D

[french joker]

(my god)
where can I see this behind the scene video ? (please)

[Silverstein]

I definately saw the father/daughter aspect. I actually figured that at the end V was going to take off the mask and say "Evey, I am your father." Since she never saw her parents die in front of her, they could hae still been alive. And when they started talking about the camps...That was about the same time that Evey's parents were taken away. So it seemed like that was the reason V was in jail. I thought he was her father.

Looking back on the story though, nothing implies he was gay. Just because Alan Moore had originally come up with a possible transexual character doesn't mean that's how the character is now. That was only when he was brain storming a new story.

We got a taste of what V went through by watching Evey's torture. That's why, I believe, it was in the movie. Not just to create a stronger Evey, but for us to see what these people went through. It was for the audience to suffer what V suffered.
He was tested on, tortured, and probablly could not stand. He found the note in the wall. And even though the lady was a lesbian, she fought it to the death mentally. She was not affraid and not going to break. V was inspired by this. It was probablly learning about that lady that caused him to blow up the place.

That has no implication on his sexuality. The reason that he didn't allow a relationship with Evey is that not only was she much younger....BUT he is an ideal. He is no longer a man. He is the mask. The persona. An idea does not have relationships that could possibly hold him back.

If he allowed himself to love her, how could he throw his life into his message? It would hold him back.

[Nivek]

Anyone wondering about V and Eveys relationshiop, just remember the Count of Monte Cristo references, especially the "Theres no Tree for me" comment he said before his final confrontation.

And as has been noted, he was crispy, Evey just seen the mask, if she seen what was underneth, she would have felt differently, whether it be Pity, repulsed, or wanting to pick his scabs in some strange female grooming fetish.

There was never going to be a happy ending for V, except to carry out his plan the way he wanted too.

[MaskedManJRK]

Anyone wondering about V and Eveys relationshiop, just remember the Count of Monte Cristo references, especially the "Theres no Tree for me" comment he said before his final confrontation.

And as has been noted, he was crispy, Evey just seen the mask, if she seen what was underneth, she would have felt differently, whether it be Pity, repulsed, or wanting to pick his scabs in some strange female grooming fetish.

There was never going to be a happy ending for V, except to carry out his plan the way he wanted too.

She did see a bit of him--when he was cooking breakfast for her, she noticed his charred hands.

[Nivek]

She did see a bit of him--when he was cooking breakfast for her, she noticed his charred hands.

Yeah, but thats different from his face, which could look like burned cheeze pizza. Hey, im happy they never did a reveal, and she respected him enough to send him to his Funeral Pyre without taking off the mask.

[Infinity9999x]

In the movie he definatley isn't, but the book is pretty much open to any interpretation. I personaly don't think he is, but the book never leaves any strong hints to his nature at all, and I think Moore did that on purpose, since V is supposed to represent all the opressed.

[Assassin]

In the book they also said ppl who were anti-norsemen were in the camps too (Hippies) lol

[Abbey_Normal]

He was tested on, tortured, and probablly could not stand. He found the note in the wall. And even though the lady was a lesbian, she fought it to the death mentally. She was not affraid and not going to break. V was inspired by this. It was probablly learning about that lady that caused him to blow up the place.

That has no implication on his sexuality. The reason that he didn't allow a relationship with Evey is that not only was she much younger....BUT he is an ideal. He is no longer a man. He is the mask. The persona. An idea does not have relationships that could possibly hold him back.

You pretty much took it out of my mouth. Of course, now I have to wonder how much the drugs affected his mind in reality. The staff and Dr. Surridge seem to think they made him insane because he started acting funny and saying little and doing all that stuff with the chemicals, but clearly he was in a lucid enough state to plan and execute a successful breakout under their noses. But did he get drugged before or after he recieved the note from Valerie? If before, then we can assume the drugs really did affect his mind, and if afterward, it would make more sense to think that it was all an act, because he'd already made up his mind to get out of there and now he had a way.

[Xofenroht]

You pretty much took it out of my mouth. Of course, now I have to wonder how much the drugs affected his mind in reality. The staff and Dr. Surridge seem to think they made him insane because he started acting funny and saying little and doing all that stuff with the chemicals, but clearly he was in a lucid enough state to plan and execute a successful breakout under their noses. But did he get drugged before or after he recieved the note from Valerie? If before, then we can assume the drugs really did affect his mind, and if afterward, it would make more sense to think that it was all an act, because he'd already made up his mind to get out of there and now he had a way.

Well, he was basically driven insane, so depending on what kind of insanity he endured, his lucidity isn't much of an issue. I think the drugs took a gradual course and I believe that the drugs in conjunction with the conditions he was living in led to his criminal insanity.

[New Mutant]

Hello everybody! This is my first post on this board--I'm usually over in the--you guessed it--X-Men section.

You know what I was thinking 3/4s through the film? That V WAS gay. You know why?

Because I thought V would turn out to be VALERIE. After all, he called himself V, didn't he? And he was an actor--as Valerie was. And he was attracted to Evey, even fell in love with her. He said he fell in love with her after he thought he never could again. I thought that was because, as Valerie, she saw her lover being taken away and never recovered.

So really, V could have been gay all along, and still have been attracted to Evey. He simply could have been a she (wearing a voice synthesizer).

I suppose that would have been a change from the novel, which I haven't read in 15 or 20 years, but there you have it--my $0.02.:)

[Bullsear]

Because he was in the same facility as the lesbian, I guess all the gays were put in the same facility.
In the graphic novel Evey complains about how he shows no interest in her sexually whatsoever. I'm sure there are other examples too.
Doesn't he say he loves her? I mean, he waits for her for half a year and then asks her to dance. He simply realizes that his ideal is bigger than his want as a human. He sacrifices what he wants for what must be done, just like he sacrifices his life.

[Bullsear]

What opposes faith in today's society? Being Gay or one can argu being Muslim.
Neither of those things oppose faith. The very notion of your assumption makes me a little sick. That all gays oppose faith and that Muslims (a religion built on ABSOLUTE faith) oppose faith are two ideas that are completely incorrect, not to mention that they are founded in the same ignorance that the movie fights against.

[Abbey_Normal]

So really, V could have been gay all along, and still have been attracted to Evey. He simply could have been a she (wearing a voice synthesizer).

If V is actually Valerie that might work (though I doubt there's a voice synthesizer that good) but I sincerely doubt he is, since his build is totally different and the camp staff identify them as two different people. Unless you go the "hormone treatment" route, and though they never say what it is in the book, in the movie they make it clear they're trying to farm antibodies to find a cure for their virus, not injecting hormones. Apparently the virus didn't kill him but did change him somehow, but I really don't think it changed his gender.

Plus, if he were Valerie, it would be really creepy that he keeps a shrine to himself :rolleyes:

[swifty]

V clearly wasn't gay, he felt in love with Evey in the end.


what a lame thread that needs to be closed!!!!

[New Mutant]

Plus, if he were Valerie, it would be really creepy that he keeps a shrine to himself :rolleyes:

What about V was NOT creepy? I could see him keeping a shrine to the person he used to be...not so much conceit, but sorrow. And trying to get Evey to appreciate who she actually was under all that by telling her the story and showing her the image on the movie poster to attach a face.

Another thing that made me think it was the use of the roses. Wasn't Valerie a horticulurist, or was that a part in movie-within-the-movie?

[DareDemon]

It has been hinted that Valerie is V. Valerie was a lesbian. The hint I'm referring to was a quote by Moore saying that it was hard to make a comic about a "transexual terrorist".

[Mr. Socko]

^Not a bad guess, I guess. If Valerie was V(even though I doubt it) that would explain her liking Evey, too.

[Abbey_Normal]

Everybody makes convincing arguments, but it just doesn't make sense that everybody would know V as "the man in room 5", even the people who were there, if V were really the woman in room 4. They all agree that it was V who blew up the camp and it was him they saw walking away. There's never any mention to V ever being a woman, even by Dr. Surridge, in fact she says explicitly that V went through no physical changes after the drugs were administered.

The thing about the roses isn't very well explained, there's a bit where we know that V grows the same kind of Roses as Valerie and we can assume he grows them because of her, but what they don't tell you is that he grew them at the camp, and that's why Dr. Surridge realizes that V is coming to kill her. He's the last person to have cultivated them before his escape from Larkhill.

[Mr. Socko]

^Good point there.

[Spider-Face]

I have not yet read the Graphic Novel (planning on doing it really really soon after seeing that fantastic movie), but the impression I got was that there was some attraction to Evey romantically. Now could it of been my heterosexual brain skewing my opinion, possibly - but thats what I saw.

yes they made it into a hollywood romance. quelle surprise.

i never considered he might be gay...interesting.

[deathfromabove]

v was gay.
v was a lesbian.
v was straight.
v was muslim.
v was christian.
v was a man.
v was a women.
v was a political activist.
v was a terrorist.
v was a torturer.
v was a liberator.
v was a captor.
v was everyone who had been taken out behind the chemical sheds and shot.
v was the destroyer.

at least in the original moore there are no easy answers. the movie is a bit more simplified but v was always meant to be a grey character. he wears a mask. if we knew exactly who he was the story would lose some of its impact.

[lochneffmonster]

Flamboyant? Yes. Gay? No. And if it was Valerie, who builds a shrine to themself, especially someone as selfless as V. Don't see it...

[Furthermore]

Just because you can feel empathy for those people of the world who are oppressed doesn't mean you are one of the oppressed. I am a (relatively) rich-white-heterosexual-male living in America but I can still cry out against injustice in the world. I don't think it matters one way or another if he is gay or straight or Christian or Muslim or white or Black. What matters is that he stands for justice in a world sorely lacking everything justice stands for.

[Abbey_Normal]

It's also important to note that Valerie was V's lifeline in the camp. She's so important to him because she saved his life. He might have given up and died if she hadn't reached out to him. It's got nothing to do with her orientation, it's her story that changed him.

[swifty]

/\ :up:

[Furthermore]

It's also important to note that Valerie was V's lifeline in the camp. She's so important to him because she saved his life. He might have given up and died if she hadn't reached out to him. It's got nothing to do with her orientation, it's her story that changed him.

Exactly. This is a story about human beings. Not constructions of race, sex, gender and religion.

[Souma]

How could you think for a second that V was Valerie? That doesn't make any sense. V's whole vendetta is for himself and Valerie who went through the same torture at Larkhill. I can't even fathom how them being the same person is even a possibility.

At first, I stereotypically thought of V as gay just because he has a strong taste for theatrics and he is flamboyant at times, but because of his vast knowledge of explosives, I think he was a protestor. He may have been a gay protestor, but we'll never really know. I don't really think it's important either way.

[Mr. Socko]

Just because you can feel empathy for those people of the world who are oppressed doesn't mean you are one of the oppressed. I am a (relatively) rich-white-heterosexual-male living in America but I can still cry out against injustice in the world. I don't think it matters one way or another if he is gay or straight or Christian or Muslim or white or Black. What matters is that he stands for justice in a world sorely lacking everything justice stands for.

So you're basically Bruce Wayne.

Rich, white, womanizer, in the day time

Batman at night :up:

[Furthermore]

So you're basically Bruce Wayne.

Rich, white, womanizer, in the day time

Batman at night :up:

Haha! Yeah there you go. :)

[Nivek]

We'll continue this here, under a more appropriate topic heading...

Perhaps my assumption was a bit illogical, but I still don't see how you read any hate toward gay people in it.

Now, where did I ever say you hated gays? No, I just said you have issues. Issues along the lines that topics dealing with Homosexuals make you uncomfortable and make you say stupid things. I dont know how they are rooted, nor do I care. I just know that those comments really pi$$ed me off because it comes from someone a bit too closed minded for their own good, and it just showed you were not paying attention to the right things. Bringing up that you "knew" Gay people didn't help the situation either, IMO

I just thought that people were being held in the same prison for the same reason. Don't take this the wrong way (as it wouldn't be the first time), but why else would Sutler (or at least his anti-gay party) hire a priest to wander the facility?

Maybe to give last rights? Maybe he was a friend of the party that was allowed certain privilages? They never fully explained why he was the highest paid person.

[Manic]

Now, where did I ever say you hated gays? No, I just said you have issues. Issues along the lines that topics dealing with Homosexuals make you uncomfortable and make you say stupid things. I dont know how they are rooted, nor do I care. I just know that those comments really pi$$ed me off because it comes from someone a bit too closed minded for their own good, and it just showed you were not paying attention to the right things. Bringing up that you "knew" Gay people didn't help the situation either, IMO
Sorry, I misinterpretted your earlier statement. You said I'm afraid of gay people. And I didn't bring up that I just know gay people, but that I get along with them with no problem. I don't understand how I can be homophobic if I get along with gay people everyday. I used it as a counter-example, because I was offended when you called me a name.

Granted, however, I came off as one of those guys who says "some of my best friends are black" whenever I imply they have issues with race-- I don't believe them, and I seriously doubt you believed me. So for insulting your intelligence, I apologize.

Do I have issues with homosexuals? Perhaps. Is it fear? Doubt it. Whatever my issues are (which I'm unaware of, mind you), they don't affect my relationships with the gay people I know-- at least in any way that I've noticed.

However, I still don't understand how "maybe two people are in prison for the same reason" is a sign that I'm afraid of said reason. So tell me: what did you think I was implying? Because I'm still 90% convinced you're being a jerk to me for the sake of being a jerk.

[Nivek]

Sorry, I misinterpretted your earlier statement. You said I'm afraid of gay people. And I didn't bring up that I just know gay people, but that I get along with them with no problem. I don't understand how I can be homophobic if I get along with gay people everyday. I used it as a counter-example, because I was offended when you called me a name.

Granted, however, I came off as one of those guys who says "some of my best friends are black" whenever I imply they have issues with race-- I don't believe them, and I seriously doubt you believed me. So for insulting your intelligence, I apologize.

Do I have issues with homosexuals? Perhaps. Is it fear? Doubt it. Whatever my issues are (which I'm unaware of, mind you), they don't affect my relationships with the gay people I know-- at least in any way that I've noticed.

However, I still don't understand how "maybe two people are in prison for the same reason" is a sign that I'm afraid of said reason. So tell me: what did you think I was implying? Because I'm still 90% convinced you're being a jerk to me for the sake of being a jerk.

The main point I was making about your post was you had issues and couldn't follow plot points very well. And here we are, you have admitted you do have issues, and you also admitted your comment about Larkhill being exclusive being "illogical" (in your own words). So, you pretty much confirmed what I said.

Now, I dont really see much of a point continuing this conversation. Im not trying to change your mind and make you a tolorent person, but I was defending my point about your POV being wrong in regards to the story. And I did it without being ignorent or blowing statements out of proprtion, or personal attacks like calling you a Jerk.

[Manic]

The main point I was making about your post was you had issues and couldn't follow plot points very well. And here we are, you have admitted you do have issues, and you also admitted your comment about Larkhill being exclusive being "illogical" (in your own words). So, you pretty much confirmed what I said.

Now, I dont really see much of a point continuing this conversation. Im not trying to change your mind and make you a tolorent person, but I was defending my point about your POV being wrong in regards to the story. And I did it without being ignorent or blowing statements out of proprtion, or personal attacks like calling you a Jerk.
What if I want to be a tolerant person? I notice you still haven't told me what exactly it is you think my statement implied.

By the way, you called me homophobic. I call that a personal attack.

You know what I think your problem is? I don't know if you're simply very close to a gay person or are gay yourself, but you're defensive about it to the point of attacking others. I think you're so ready to assume that I dislike gay people, that you automatically took my statement to offense. You also seem to have tricked yourself into believing that I don't want to be a tolerant person. There's nothing wrong with being mad at homophobes, but you can't just go around assuming every person who makes a broad statement about homosexuals doesn't want to be a tolerant person.

And that's why I think you're acting like a jerk. You want me to be the bad guy. I admitted a mistake to you directly, and not only did you lord it over me, but you went on to further demonize me. I asked you what you thought I did wrong, and you said "Im not trying to ... make you a tolorent person."

[co2]

V's personality was very ambigous (I think for a reason), so I can see how it can be speculated that he might have been. You really don't get enough info on him to make that accusation.
It was made subtely clear that Evey's friend (was he an Unlce?) with the TV show was gay.

[Cinemaman]

It has been hinted that Valerie is V. Valerie was a lesbian. The hint I'm referring to was a quote by Moore saying that it was hard to make a comic about a "transexual terrorist".

But there was shot with V as man and he escaped from that concentration camp. So I don't think V was Valerie.

And also V had man's voice.

[F91]

Why does V and Evey's gay friend make the same kind of breakfast for her?? That struck me as odd since one of the themes of the movie is that there are no coincidences. Doesn't matter to me, gay or not. I don't see V as a woman, I'll have to watch it again, but as cellmate V, I'm sure they referred to him as a He. I think they also said he was a botanist, and that's his connection to the chenicals used in the explosives. I ramble...Great movie!

[MaskedManJRK]

Why does V and Evey's gay friend make the same kind of breakfast for her?? That struck me as odd since one of the themes of the movie is that there are no coincidences. Doesn't matter to me, gay or not. I don't see V as a woman, I'll have to watch it again, but as cellmate V, I'm sure they referred to him as a He. I think they also said he was a botanist, and that's his connection to the chenicals used in the explosives. I ramble...Great movie!

As for your question, I think it has to do with Evey realizing that everyone, to take a line from Cap'n Morgan, "Got a little V in them." No matter how hard she tried to escape, she saw that the people were starting to follow V's words.

[Spidey-Fan700]

I didn't get that vibe from him, but that's just me.

Take care,

From Your Friendly Neighborhood Spidey-Fan

[WhatsHisFace]

V was in love with Eveline. Sexually. He's not gay.

[Bullsear]

It has been hinted that Valerie is V. Valerie was a lesbian. The hint I'm referring to was a quote by Moore saying that it was hard to make a comic about a "transexual terrorist".

I believe it's transgender, but I may be wrong. Either way, it's pretty clear that Valerie isn't V in the movie, though it's very possible that she is in the comic book.

[Tangent]

I don't know about the graphic novel, but as far as the movie version is concerned, I dont believe V was even hinted at being gay. As someone said, i dont get that "vibe" from the character at all, and there was wayyy to much chemistry between him and Evey going on. :D As far as the prisoners of the facility are concerned, I just figured it was a mix of everyone they considered "undesirables", not just homosexuals.

Also, the idea of him being Valerie...I don't buy it....In a comic book world I can see it being like "OMG its really...*dundundun*" ...kinda like the whole Spiderman clone bit, but it'd be too convoluted in the long run. :spidey:

Anyways, besides...as (Edited lol*) Miss Swan would say.... "He looka like a man." :)


/im very very tired lol

[Manic]

Anyways, besides...as Miss Snow would say.... "He looka like a man." :)
Ms. Swan. :p

[Tsunulia]

Ok I read halfway through this thread and I'm gettin tired of the V being Valerie idea. V said himself that he's a DUDE!!!! And I quote-

Evey Hammond: "Who--who are you?"

V: "Who? Who is but the form following the function of what... and what I am is a man in a mask."

Evey Hammond: "I can see that."

V: "Of course you can. I'm not questioning your powers of observation, I'm merely remarking on the paradox of asking a masked man who he is."

-end quote.

[BannanaMan]

judging from the opening speech on the TV, he could have been any of these:

gay
muslim
jewish
other religion
black
other race
already didnt approve of the government

[Razorbat]

We intentionally don't know who or what V is. That's what gives him his power as a symbol; because he could be, and even is, everyone. If you identify with him as being gay, then he's gay. Same goes for black, Muslim, female, Jewish, Atheist, or just a plain old dissenter. V is the part of everyone that is or feels oppressed by those in power.

[Sandman138]

Maybe to give last rights? Maybe he was a friend of the party that was allowed certain privilages? They never fully explained why he was the highest paid person.

Yes they did. He was there to make sure that they were being treated "humanely" and he got paid a huge salary to lie about the facility. At least that seemed to be what the journal implied.

[PhoenixFire]

v was gay.
v was a lesbian.
v was straight.
v was muslim.
v was christian.
v was a man.
v was a women.
v was a political activist.
v was a terrorist.
v was a torturer.
v was a liberator.
v was a captor.
v was everyone who had been taken out behind the chemical sheds and shot.
v was the destroyer.

at least in the original moore there are no easy answers. the movie is a bit more simplified but v was always meant to be a grey character. he wears a mask. if we knew exactly who he was the story would lose some of its impact.
I like this.

While I think a very interesting argument can be made for "V is Valerie" those who take the man coming out of the fires at Larkhill as a debunkment of the theory can consider:

V as a person was destroyed. Surridge notes the patient of cell V having no recollection of his previous life, his sole goal becomes vengeance for all of the oppressed.

This destruction of self results in him being, as he likes to trumpet, not a man but an idea. V is the avatar of all that Sutler & Co. have oppressed and destroyed.

He's Valerie, he's muslims, he's even art and expression. He's . . . V.

[Superhobo]

La voie.

La verite.

La vie.

[Kabuki_Jo]

V's Creedy's worst nightmare...hehehehe.
To answer the question, no, V's not gay.

[Imran]

V is not gay. Simple as.

[thedarks0ldier]

You dont know that

[SickBoy]

I could see him being gay. I don't think it matters what he was though. We don't need to know.

[chosen1]

ummmm.... the dude was brushing his hair in the opening scene and they did'nt throw him in one of those lockers because they felt like it...