How many people hope that Topher is NOT Venom?

[Tangled Web]

I hope to God that Topher isn't Venom. He is famous for playing a goofy little boy on that 70's show. No one will take him seriously. The movie will be ridiculed.Topher has not shown the acting shops to even be considered.

[Warhammer]

I hope Topher Grace isn't Venom.
...But not for the reason people would think.

I don't want him to be Venom for the sole purpose of I not wanting Venom is Spider-Man 3. I have no problem with Topher Grace as Venom. I believe that he can pull it off Venom.
I just think that Venom deserves his own movie with Spidey.
Besides, I am looking forward to Harry becoming the Goblin.
3 Villains would be too much, and Venom should'nt to be a co-villain.

:cool:

[Boom]

I enjoyed Grace's performance best in the movie In Good Company.

The only problem is that role wasn't a thing like Brock. I don't know if Grace could pull it off or not. I've never seen him play a part that was even remotely similar to Eddie.

So I don't know. Put me on the fence.

[CConn]

I'm on the fence as well. Sure, I would've preferred a more Brock-like Brock, but until Grace actuallys shows that he can't perform the role, I'll be hopeful.

[Spencer9]

I would not mind him being Venom, but not in 3. I mean Harry should be up to the plate.

[Visionary]

GOD: Your hope is dead, Topher Grace is Eddie Brock.

[lordofthenerds]

GOD: Your hope is dead, Topher Grace is Eddie Brock.
Yeah, I voted yes for the sole reason that I know he is playing Brock.

[wolfsfang]

I'm on the fence as well. Sure, I would've preferred a more Brock-like Brock, but until Grace actuallys shows that he can't perform the role, I'll be hopeful.

I would like a more Peter-like Peter but we get the Tobey Maguire/Sam Raimi verison of the character and that is what we will probably get with Brock, the Topher Grace/Sam Raimi version and not the comic one.

[Arcturus]

It's pretty clear he'll be eddie brock, as much of a horrible choice Topher is for this character, doesn't appear to me that it's going to change. I guess we'll just be getting VINO.

:(

[Spider-Bite]

Personally it dpeends on how they do Venom. I for one imagine Topher as an excellent version of the character, however I do not want Venom in Spider-Man 3. In fact after picturing Topher as Venom for so long, it might be hard to look at somebody else as Venom now. It might feel weird.

[Visionary]

Oh goody.

[fangrl06]

I'm okay with Topher being Venom, as long as he is not Venom in SM3.

[kevinpenni]

Another Venom thread? He isn't even confirmed yet.

[Symbiotica]

My god.... looking at the results so far, I'm thinking if Bobby Lee from MAD TV had been cast as Venom, it would have been okay with most people here.

ROTFL! [in the most scornful way possible.....]

[Dcknight]

i like topher, he's capable to do a great job as a serious character! but not as Venom cause, Venom sucks! and not Topher!

[Arcturus]

Oh wow, here we go again.

:rolleyes:

[Boom]

Considering there is no "on the fence" option, I can't participate in the poll. I feel left out :(.

[ProjectPat2280]

I voted for Grace, i think hell do fine, i hope he doesnt dissapoint.

[bweurk]

i hope he is venom because i like being surprised

[GoldGoblin]

I hope he is just Brock in S-M3.

[TheCardPlayer]

Your poll doesn't go with the topic.

You asked if we thought Topher wasn't going to be Venom but the poll ask if we want him as Venom or not.

This is just a cheap way to get us falsely say that we don't think he's Venom while the majority here accept that fact.....We may not be happy but we know he's Venom.

[DroolingforGwen]

Hope he's Venom but kept to a minor role, reappearing in 4...

[GoldGoblin]

Hope he's Venom but kept to a minor role, reappearing in 4...

^The only minor role I want to see him in S-M3 is a cliffhanger.

[ProjectPat2280]

I find it funny how the post creator, in his biased attempt to spread his Topher hatred, has created a poll that has gone the complete opposite way of how he would have wanted.

[webhead731]

I have a question.

Why does almost everybody think that Topher is the worst and most terrible choice there is for Venom? I mean what's so bad about him?
He looks like a good Eddie Brock.

[ProjectPat2280]

People dont like him b/c hes not some roid induced meat head, as seen throughout the comics, and thats about all they have to base their judgement on, being as they havent even seen him in the role yet.

[Arcturus]

People dont like him b/c hes not some roid induced meat head, as seen throughout the comics, and thats about all they have to base their judgement on, being as they havent even seen him in the role yet.

So lemme get this straight, just cause a person is bulked up means they're stupid, as in meathead? So lemme get this straight, it's crap to have someone a a bit bigger then Tobey is probarbly unrealistic and stupid right? Gee, they got Norman and Otto dead on, hell even good ol Flint is dead on. As well as Harry, but no, let's cast nacho chip-thin gopher as Eddie Brock? Nobody has ever said that Brock has to be a gigantic man with muscles bigger then the hulk, no, nobody wants that. No were getting wafer thin VINO. But hey, the Venom fans as you call us, are concerned about their favorite villain.

I'm thrilled that Venom is finally going to appear, but im not so thrilled that VINO is going to take his place. Brock has always been an intimidating man, but nope, if were to say that, we'd be wrong. No we're not allowed to defend a character that we are fans of, nope. I suppose we're all ****ing idiots then, right?

[Pagrebo]

Topher isn't going to play Venom. He might play Eddie Brock, but Venom will either be CGI or a stuntman. So the real question should be can you see him as Brock? It might seem like semantics, but while I could never envision TG portraying Venom, it is conceivable(though not preferrable) to see him portray Brock.

[Pagrebo]

Brock has always been an intimidating man

Not ALWAYS. But let's not get back into the comic versions argument again.:)

[Arcturus]

Not ALWAYS. But let's not get back into the comic versions argument again.:)

Okay like once in the 616 in a "little" tale, and in the Ultimate line, but for the most part, he's been bit bigger then a broom stick.

[Pagrebo]

Okay like once in the 616 in a "little" tale, and in the Ultimate line, but for the most part, he's been bit bigger then a broom stick.

Agreed, and I'll be EXTREMELY disappointed if TG is a broomstick for this movie. With all the talk of his working out, and the public complaining he's done about it, I expect to see some results.

And just as a point of reference on his workouts. When I was younger, I had the same frame and body type as TG. In one summer I went from 160 to 207 lbs, and I didn't have professional trainers advising me. So a lot of growth can happen.

[Symbiotica]

People dont like him b/c hes not some roid induced meat head, as seen throughout the comics, and thats about all they have to base their judgement on, being as they havent even seen him in the role yet.

Those right there be fightin' words.

Stop putting words in our mouths, and stop acting like you know what's going on in our heads better than we do.

You haven't even seen him in the role either, yet you laud him with praise just because he's the exact opposite what Brock ought to be. BRILLIANT! [goes off to borrow Oscar's 'barf' .gif]

*edit* Here it is:

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_20_7.gif

Perfect.

[Arcturus]

Agreed, and I'll be EXTREMELY disappointed if TG is a broomstick for this movie. With all the talk of his working out, and the public complaining he's done about it, I expect to see some results.

And just as a point of reference on his workouts. When I was younger, I had the same frame and body type as TG. In one summer I went from 160 to 207 lbs, and I didn't have professional trainers advising me. So a lot of growth can happen.

I expect to see some results to, he'd better have bulked up and turn that bulk into muscle. Now don't get me wrong, I don't mean exaggerated muscles, but something to show that's he not's incredibly thin. I'm sure he can do it, alot of people can. And well, it's 2006, and summer 2007 is still quite awhile away. It's in my greatest hopes he will impress us. But i'm not going to hold my breath, I still have doubt. And there are a million better choices, then Topher Grace. If anyone wants my opinions, then search my OFFICIAL VENOM DISCUSSION THREAD, because i've stated my opinions, beliefs and everything a million times in there.

[Symbiotica]

So a lot of growth can happen.

SO WHERE THE **** IS IT? I think that's a fair question. Post proof Grace is now some hulking giant! Let's see it!

He ain't done ****, and you know it! This is ridiculous!

And I don't want to hear about MacGuire, either! Apples and oranges - Spidey was never anywhere near the size Brock is to begin with, so no one ever expected him to turn into the Hulk!

[Arcturus]

SO WHERE THE **** IS IT? I think that's a fair question. Post proof Grace is now some hulking giant! Let's see it!

He ain't done ****, and you know it! This is ridiculous!

And I don't want to hear about MacGuire, either! Apples and oranges - Spidey was never anywhere near the size Brock is to begin with, so no one ever expected him to turn into the Hulk!

I agree Sym, all of these "recent" pics havent really showed any progress. Remember that pic with him and his beard and white suit, holding that lady by her legs. Or any of these other "recent" pictures. Somehow they're convinced that's Brock, somehow I think they need some serious reality checks. But dont take my word for it, they'll just cast me off as a ****tard, but what do I care.

[Pagrebo]

SO WHERE THE **** IS IT? I think that's a fair question. Post proof Grace is now some hulking giant! Let's see it!

You don't wait til December 25th to open your Christmas presents, do you?:) While I would love more pics and info, Sony doesn't have a requirement to do so. Now the lack of TG pics could be because fans will be disappointed, or it could also be because they're going to spring a really big(good) surprise on us all. We all have to wait and see... and hope.

He ain't done ****, and you know it! This is ridiculous!

I know no such thing, and neither do you. The only thing ridiculous might be your potty mouth.:p

And I don't want to hear about MacGuire, either! Apples and oranges - Spidey was never anywhere near the size Brock is to begin with, so no one ever expected him to turn into the Hulk!

He better NOT be comparable to Tobey. I've already said that I expect results from TG's workout regimen.

[Symbiotica]

You don't wait til December 25th to open your Christmas presents, do you?:) While I would love more pics and info, Sony doesn't have a requirement to do so. Now the lack of TG pics could be because fans will be disappointed, or it could also be because they're going to spring a really big(good) surprise on us all. We all have to wait and see... and hope.


Sony?! Who the eff said anything about SONY?! They are the only source of Topher Grace images?! I DONT THINK SO. Go to www. wireimage.com and type in "Topher Grace". He was looking pretty damn skinny as of about January 16 - a scant two months ago! Everyone here acts like adding 100 lb. of mass is no big deal, like its something you can do in a week. This directly contradicts all bodybuilding theory! Just ask any of those guys how long it took -them- to bulk up.

You people thinking he's suddenly going to show up as this hulking monstrosity have got big surprises in store - and not pleasant ones, either. Open your eyes! Open 'em, and behold +/- Spider-Man. Lucky you.

[SouLeSS]

Shoulda had Vin Diesel as Eddie Brock...

[Silver Sable]

*Raises Hand*

No offense to Topher but I'm strongly against him being Venom

[Pagrebo]

Sony?! Who the eff said anything about SONY?! They are the only source of Topher Grace images?! I DONT THINK SO. Go to www. wireimage.com and type in "Topher Grace". He was looking pretty damn skinny as of about January 16 - a scant two months ago! Everyone here acts like adding 100 lb. of mass is no big deal, like its something you can do in a week. This directly contradicts all bodybuilding theory! Just ask any of those guys how long it took -them- to bulk up.

You people thinking he's suddenly going to show up as this hulking monstrosity have got big surprises in store - and not pleasant ones, either. Open your eyes! Open 'em, and behold +/- Spider-Man. Lucky you.

Took your advice, went to the site. Honestly didn't see anything that told me one way or another, based on the fact that he's wearing a suit. Did he look hulking? No. Did he look bigger than Eric Foreman? At least a good 20 pounds or so. As for bodybuilding theories, he could easily be 20-30 pounds heavier since those photos in January. It just depends on his genetic make-up(you should know that). I do agree with you that, regardless of how big he gets, TG is not going to have the look(facially) that intimidates people. You're right, we almost certainly will see Brock as the anti-Peter. But if TG can look physically solid(not like a broomstick), the CGI or stuntman that actually fills the role of Venom will be able to add a bit more bulk to the character without destroying plausibility.

Finally, my eyes and the eyes of a lot of others ARE open. WIDE OPEN to all possibilities. I don't agree with the people who just blindly say TG is perfect, but I also don't agree with your assessment that TG just cannot pull it off. Both groups in that scenario are turning a blind eye to the possibilities... the unknown.:)

[jusblaze21]

If he is Brock, He got the role for a reason and I trust Raimi, so if he can play the part, then sure i'm fine with him playing Brock even if he does'nt look much like him.

[Pagrebo]

*Raises Hand*

No offense to Topher but I'm strongly against him being Venom

SS, the day you have to raise your hand around here is the day the Hype closes down. You've earned the right and the respect to speak your mind.:)

[Silver Sable]

Hey I don't want the Hype to close.Your making me sad now :(

[Doctor Octopus]

You've earned the right and the respect to speak your mind.:)

Everybody here has that right :)

[Pagrebo]

Everybody here has that right :)

Agreed. Thanks for the correction.:)

[ClarkLuther55]

I'm against Topher being Venom for two reasons:

1. He doesn't look the part.
Even IF he does beat the odds, and bulks up convincingly, can anyone seriously argue that he's a better choice than another actor who's already bigger and looks more like Brock?

2. I don't want Venom to be rushed.
Venom has a backstory that requires time to pull off. Peter has to put on the suit, piss off Eddie Brock, and get rid of the costume, which then bonds with Brock. And that's just to get to the point where the villain is created. He'll still need to confront Spidey and battle him several times. Venom really should get his own movie, and the symbiotes (if they choose to do more of them) should be their own trilogy.

I'm aware of the "black costume" picture that was released. I think it looks stupid, and too much like the regular Spidey costume except spray painted black, but that's another rant for another time. So now they're going to use SM3 to build up Venom? That's still not a good thing to me, since SM3 should be HARRY'S show. The previous two films were spent building up his turn to evil, and it would be stupid fom a dramatic standpoint for Harry's threat to be diluted with Peter worrying about his symbiote costume.

If Raimi, Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst, etc. are only signed for 3 films, then I think they should just wrap up THIS trilogy's plot lines. When SM3 ends, I want a sense of closure, with the door open for other actors/directors to take over the franchise and do their own stories later.

[The Kid]

Or he could easily be spiderman, Pagrbeo. And that's why he's great because he's like spidey's evil reflection instead of another flash tompson.

I hope he's really more pure evil ******* than conflicted villian in this one though. I'm kinda bored with those types that aren't fully bad.

[3dman27]

My god.... looking at the results so far, I'm thinking if Bobby Lee from MAD TV had been cast as Venom, it would have been okay with most people here.

ROTFL! [in the most scornful way possible.....]or wose
REESE WITHERSPOON as old drool mouth

[GizmoeTheClown]

My biggest reasons against Venom in this movie are simple...Bane was introduced in Batman & Robin , and Lady Deathstrike was added to X2 to make fans happy. Look at the crappy representations THEY got because of it.

Bane was the ultimate enemy for Batman. (Not the Arch enemy - that's Joker.) He even took Bruce wayne out of the superhero business for quite a while when he BROKE HIS FREAKING BACK and left him crippled. Only through storytelling magic, and Bruce Wayne's fortune did he get the surgery and rehab he needed to return to being the Bat. In B&R Bayne was an inarticulate goon who's only major contribution was making a few holes in the wall and pushing a cart down the hall with Freeze's stuff on it.

Lady Deathstrike was a MAJOR foe for Wolverine due to the fact that her father invented the process that bonded the admantium to his bones but that secret was stolen from him. She wanted to kill wolverine and take his skeleton so she could use it to restore her family's honor. She began as a samurai, and later allowed herself to be made into a cyborg in order to better stand against Logan. In X2 we got a shallow representation that was nothing more than a wolverine clone and her only motivation was she worked for the bad guy (who I never heard of in decades of Xmen comics BTW)

If Venom is done in this movie, we can expect more of he same, and that will be a real shame. He has too much back story to waste in that way.

[R_Hythlodeus]

I don´t want Topher to be Venom because I simply don´t want Venom in this movie. The symbionts are lame, unrealistic, two-dimensional villains and I´m just not interested to see them on screen.

[chaseter]

I will accept Topher as Eddie if he is a cliff hanger at the end of SM3. Eddie Brock in his early reporting years had a physique much like that of Topher. He had light brown/blonde hair and was tall and thin. However, once his hate for Spider-Man came about, he began lifting weights and buffed up. If they show him begin to hate Spidey towards the middle/end and have him buffed up and bigger for SM4, then Venom could deffinately work.

[Trooper]

i actually want him to play venom because this is going to be a great role for him, to make a contrast form a peter-type-body into some ginormous ***** up

[dr venture]

I will accept Topher as Eddie if he is a cliff hanger at the end of SM3. Eddie Brock in his early reporting years had a physique much like that of Topher. He had light brown/blonde hair and was tall and thin. However, once his hate for Spider-Man came about, he began lifting weights and buffed up. If they show him begin to hate Spidey towards the middle/end and have him buffed up and bigger for SM4, then Venom could deffinately work.

took the words right from my mouth

[Norman Osborn]

I have a question.

Why does almost everybody think that Topher is the worst and most terrible choice there is for Venom? I mean what's so bad about him?
He looks like a good Eddie Brock.

Nahhh...he looks more like Marcia Brady than Eddie Brock.....I just don't want him because I'm absolutely indifferent to the Venom/Symbiote story ......SM3 Should be, as Slag would say, Brother VS Brother....keep this other stuff for further sequels....I'll likely be dead by then anyway :)

[Venom_uk]

Hell No! Don't make that little bastard Venom. :mad::up:

NOTE: 23-39 in favour of Topher being Venom! WTF!!! Are you people THAT desperate to see Venom on the bloody big screen? Grrr! :mad:

[el brujo138]

Hell No! Don't make that little bastard Venom. :mad::up:

NOTE: 23-39 in favour of Topher being Venom! WTF!!! Are you people THAT desperate to see Venom on the bloody big screen? Grrr! :mad:

Have you missed the last three months of discussion on the board regarding Venom? The threads have been full of posts gushing over Topher and what a great Venom he will make and basicilly ignoring that he looks nothing like Eddie.

Frankly I´m surprised that there are 23 people on the board that are sane and actually read Spider-Man comics.

[InSaNe M!K3]

you cant judge him by previous performances because he hasnt had many. plus look a ashton kutcher in Butterfly Affect he was good for a serious role, so maybe Topher will as well. (please dont start sayin Butterfly Affect was a bad movie cuz its just an example and its off topic)

[el brujo138]

you cant judge him by previous performances because he hasnt had many. plus look a ashton kutcher in Butterfly Affect he was good for a serious role, so maybe Topher will as well. (please dont start sayin Butterfly Affect was a bad movie cuz its just an example and its off topic)

So what you´re saying is that I can´t call your example a bad example because that would be off topic but you can use it as an example that is on topic? Why did you bring up an example that nobody can argue with without going offtopic, wouldn´t that make your post offtopic as well?

Well, that was fun.

[Frenzy]

Topher was born to play Venom..........at least that's what the press will say if he's any good. How come when an actor is really good (which let's face it they get paid enough to put on a good act) they're suddenly 'born to play the role'. Like Molina 'was' Doc Ock and Dafoe 'was' Norman Osborn.

Maybe Topher will 'be' Eddie brock and surprise us all. It's probably better for Topher to be the unknown actor who comes across fantastic than put Vin Diesel in the part and him suck bigtime.:)

Just thought I'd say.........................tha's all.

[Venom_uk]

Have you missed the last three months of discussion on the board regarding Venom? The threads have been full of posts gushing over Topher and what a great Venom he will make and basicilly ignoring that he looks nothing like Eddie.

Frankly I´m surprised that there are 23 people on the board that are sane and actually read Spider-Man comics.
Actually, yes I have. I try to stay well clear of this place for this very reason.
Although I must admit, I really shouldn't be that surprised that so many people have such a woody for Topher being Eddie/Venom.

[el brujo138]

Actually, yes I have. I try to stay well clear of this place for this very reason.
Although I must admit, I really shouldn't be that surprised that so many people have such a woody for Topher being Eddie/Venom.

I´m curious why are you not surprised about the Topher love? I find it quite shocking that people not only defend crap like that but actually gush over it.

[Venom_uk]

I´m curious why are you not surprised about the Topher love? I find it quite shocking that people not only defend crap like that but actually gush over it.
Honestly, I don't know why so many people "gush" all over the idea of Topher playing Eddie...it just doesn't surprise me anymore. Chalk it up as one of lifes great mysterys I guess.
Also, I think trying to work out the reason why would give me one right bastard of a headache & I don't really fancy one of them right now...

[Symbiotica]

Frankly I´m surprised that there are 23 people on the board that are sane and actually read Spider-Man comics.

Brujo, it pains me to admit that you are absolutely right.

Its enough to make you long for the days of the last movie's Spoiler forum: we had MST3K PIMP in here holding forth about Dr. Octopus' tentacles, and we had JC/DC in here holding forth about "Superman rip-offs" - and we had no idea how lucky we were to get trolls who could actually make a point, even if it was often a stupid point. At least they had a line of reasoning behind what they were saying!

Do we get that lucky now? Not hardly.

"I know it'll be great because I trust Sam! WHOOO TOPHER and next time I hope we get Ashton Kutcher as Carnage, that will totally ROCK!" Whatta line of reasoning - hey, I'm convinced.

Someone please just throw me off a bridge already.

[Norman Osborn]

Someone please just throw me off a bridge already.

Slips on GG garb

[War Party]

I really don't care who plays who anymore. All this crap with the casting is getting annoying. I'll reserve my judgement until I see the damn film.

[i-n-z-a-n-e]

I don't see why he shouldn't be venom/ eddie. The only complaints i see here is he's not big enough he needs to buffing up etc. well the movie isn't out for alittle more than a year i think he hsa time to workout... the other complaint is that hes a dorky little geek from that 70's show well just to remind some people that he is an actor.. he can be a joke if he wants and be serious if he wants.. I still remember the days where people were laughing at the fact tobey mcguire was peter parker and he actually turned out to be good for his role. So if topher is set to be eddie(still unsure) just let him have it and stop complaining.

[War Party]

Eric Foreman may have been a dorky kid in That's 70 show, but he was the one with the hot girlfriend. You got to give him props for that.

[The Kid]

I know. As sure as I am that this burger is delicious, I'm sure topher can pull off a convincing Venom/brock.

[sag002]

I would like to see him as venom just to see how he does it. it is unexpected, but in x-men 3, kelsey grammer(spelling?) is the beast! Frasier is a big, blue, furry mutant! I think he can pull it off.

[The Kid]

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/2160/topherrules0jc.gif

[Matt Murdock]

I enjoyed Grace's performance best in the movie In Good Company.

The only problem is that role wasn't a thing like Brock. I don't know if Grace could pull it off or not. I've never seen him play a part that was even remotely similar to Eddie.

So I don't know. Put me on the fence.

I liked in good company as well-- he seems too nice to be eddie brock though.

[Arcturus]

Yeah, we'll be getting VINO.

[Alexia Dark]

I really don't know. I have not seen his audition, so I can't say if he would be able to pull of the role. But going on appearances in his previous works... no.

[SsM]

I hope topher isn't venom just because I don't want to see venom yet. I like topher grace, hes a good actor -to a certain extent- and I wouldnt have a problem with seeing him as venom...later but not yet.

[Cmill216]

Welcome to the Hype, SsM. :)

[SsM]

hey, Thanks ;x I figured i would finally join the boards :x Nice to be welcomed. I remember visiting the hype when Spider-Man 1 was in production. I remember watching that countdown clock heh....

[WeaponXProject]

Sorry guys, Topher is. In an interview with Kristen Dunst she stated that Topher was Venom and Haden Church was Sandman. I can expect that through CGI they will make Venom much bigger than Spiderman and that Topher is probably not capable of doing martial arts. Dont worry guys...he'll do fine as Venom.

[Cmill216]

Sorry guys, Topher is. In an interview with Kristen Dunst she stated that Topher was Venom and Haden Church was Sandman. I can expect that through CGI they will make Venom much bigger than Spiderman and that Topher is probably not capable of doing martial arts. Dont worry guys...he'll do fine as Venom.

:confused: :confused: :confused: What does that have to do with him being Venom?

[SsM]

She said that lizard was going to be in 2 and only connors was in it and he only had a few minutes of screentime. If he is eddie I personally wouldnt mind it. I just dont want venom yet. I would be ok with a cameo at the end, I dunno venom on the big screen thinking about it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth :(

[TheFuture]

[quote=venom4life]So lemme get this straight, just cause a person is bulked up means they're stupid, as in meathead? So lemme get this straight, it's crap to have someone a a bit bigger then Tobey is probarbly unrealistic and stupid right? Gee, they got Norman and Otto dead on, hell even good ol Flint is dead on. As well as Harry, but no, let's cast nacho chip-thin gopher as Eddie Brock? Nobody has ever said that Brock has to be a gigantic man with muscles bigger then the hulk, no, nobody wants that. No were getting wafer thin VINO. But hey, the Venom fans as you call us, are concerned about their favorite villain.

I'm thrilled that Venom is finally going to appear, but im not so thrilled that VINO is going to take his place. Brock has always been an intimidating man, but nope, if were to say that, we'd be wrong. No we're not allowed to defend a character that we are fans of, nope. I suppose we're all ****ing idiots then, right?[quote]

You said it. :p j/p

So once again we're talking about Topher Grace as Eddie? Well I'm going to say what I've always said. I'm open to Grace as Brock and refuse to shoot him down. However, the longer this silence from Sony and co. goes on the worse it will get. They are making things worse for themselves because they are coming across as being afraid to publicy admit who Grace is and show some official pictures of him.

Stalling on official confirmation will hurt Grace and I fear that THIS is what will kill Grace's chance to shine as Eddie. Sony need to show some faith in Grace and get behind him. It's a disgrace how they've handled things.

[SsM]

[quote=venom4life]

So once again we're talking about Topher Grace as Eddie? Well I'm going to say what I've always said. I'm open to Grace as Brock and refuse to shoot him down. However, the longer this silence from Sony and co. goes on the worse it will get. They are making things worse for themselves because they are coming across as being afraid to publicy admit who Grace is and show some official pictures of him.

Stalling on official confirmation will hurt Grace and I fear that THIS is what will kill Grace's chance to shine as Eddie. Sony need to show some faith in Grace and get behind him. It's a disgrace how they've handled things.

I aggree whole heartedly with what you say. Their attempts to build up suspense for the unveiling may end up being the downfall for the character and the actor thats going to play the character. But really... I dunno I'm not as enthusiastic about the movies as I used to be when i was in HS when sm1 came out. I used to be unable to wait for anything. Now a days Im alot more patient so... we will see.

[Cmill216]

They're holding it back cause they don't feel like laying all their cards on the table yet. They have every right to "wait this long". We've got a whole year before this film comes out. They created buzz with the Sandman pic back in October/November. They created even MORE buzz in February with the black costume pic. Don't look for anything new for at least another month or two. Just be patient, people.

[Symbiotica]

However, the longer this silence from Sony and co. goes on the worse it will get. They are making things worse for themselves because they are coming across as being afraid to publicy admit who Grace is and show some official pictures of him.

Stalling on official confirmation will hurt Grace and I fear that THIS is what will kill Grace's chance to shine as Eddie. Sony need to show some faith in Grace and get behind him. It's a disgrace how they've handled things.

This part at least is an extremely accurate assessment; right now Sony is doing themselves damage by not confessing what's what.

If he's someone else, abate fan-person ire by telling us who he really is, so the extreme fury felt by a pretty good bit of the fanbase can subside into enthusiasm - or at least a willingness to see more before rendering judgement.

If he is in fact Venom, sooner or later guess what? They're going to have to admit it, I am not sure what this stalling is going to accomplish. Admit it, reveal the costume [unless that's already been done, and there's a good chance that is so.... +/- Spider-Man], show people willing to accept the idea WHY this is such a great thing.

People disgusted by the idea can write the thing off, everybody happy.

[I have a feeling Sony knows that the instant they reveal, the fanpeople equivalent of nuclear warfare is going to break out... which raises the question of WHY they'd want to tick off their target audience to begin with, but c'est la vie. Thankfully they are not gambling with MY half-billion dollars.]

[CaptainStacy]

This part at least is an extremely accurate assessment; right now Sony is doing themselves damage by not confessing what's what.

If he's someone else, abate fan-person ire by telling us who he really is, so the extreme fury felt by a pretty good bit of the fanbase can subside into enthusiasm - or at least a willingness to see more before rendering judgement.

If he is in fact Venom, sooner or later guess what? They're going to have to admit it, I am not sure what this stalling is going to accomplish. Admit it, reveal the costume [unless that's already been done, and there's a good chance that is so.... +/- Spider-Man], show people willing to accept the idea WHY this is such a great thing.

People disgusted by the idea can write the thing off, everybody happy.

[I have a feeling Sony knows that the instant they reveal, the fanpeople equivalent of nuclear warfare is going to break out... which raises the question of WHY they'd want to tick off their target audience to begin with, but c'est la vie. Thankfully they are not gambling with MY half-billion dollars.]


"Damage"???? From whom? You SERIOUSLY believe that the majority of this film's mainstream audience gives a rat's ass WHO is playing Venom?

I'd estimate that at least 90% of the folks who have seen the first two movies don't even READ the comics.

Why would they care?

And some of you really believe that Sony is somehow "afraid" to admit who Grace is playing?

That has to be the funniest damn thing i've ever read on these boards in six years.

[Obi-Ron]

"Fan-person ire" = people talking about the movie = free advertising

[Symbiotica]

"Damage"???? From whom? You SERIOUSLY believe that the majority of this film's mainstream audience gives a rat's ass WHO is playing Venom?

I'd estimate that at least 90% of the folks who have seen the first two movies don't even READ the comics.

Why would they care?

And some of you really believe that Sony is somehow "afraid" to admit who Grace is playing?

That has to be the funniest damn thing i've ever read on these boards in six years.

So riddle me this: If just any old person will do, if no one cares about even a little accuracy with who's cast, if they don't care if the movie's plot is even remotely related to the comics, then I want to know two things....

1. Why did the Catwoman movie flop resoundingly and

2. Why did the first two Spidey movies, which for the most part were extraordinarily well-cast and had storylines at least in the same universe with classic storylines, do so well?

And yes, I have been wondering for a while now about Sony's reticence about Grace. Were they reticent about revealing who Alfred Molina was cast as? No. Yet here, we're hearing a resounding silence.

Why is that? [and no, I'm not buying "hype! They're building hype!" for even an instant.]

These are serious questions, not sarcastic ones. If the fanbase's opinion does not matter, then Catwoman should have been an off-the-charts hit. And so should Daredevil, for that matter; not to hint that DD is anywhere near as bad as CW. Elektra should have been a runaway.

[CConn]

So riddle me this: If just any old person will do, if no one cares about even a little accuracy with who's cast, if they don't care if the movie's plot is even remotely related to the comics, then I want to know two things....

1. Why did the Catwoman movie flop resoundingly andBecause it was a bad movie. Filled with poor acting, intollerable dialogue, a plot that had as many holes as your average piece of Swiss Cheese, and some of the worst direction you could ever find this site of Uwe Boll. CINO could've featured Selina Kyle to a T and it still would've been trash.
2. Why did the first two Spidey movies, which for the most part were extraordinarily well-cast and had storylines at least in the same universe with classic storylines, do so well?Because those two films were almost the exac opposite of CINO; they had strong stories and dialogue, (as you said) some really great casting, and quality direction to back it up as well. In short, they were good movies, and thusly, were successful. CINO was - not just a bad adaption - a bad movie, and that, among other things, is why it failed so horribly.
And yes, I have been wondering for a while now about Sony's reticence about Grace. Were they reticent about revealing who Alfred Molina was cast as? No. Yet here, we're hearing a resounding silence.There's a distinct difference however; Molina was SM2's main villain - Venom, by all accounts, is not. He's sharing the screen with Sandman, who, like Molina, was never that much of a mystery from the general public.
Why is that? [and no, I'm not buying "hype! They're building hype!" for even an instant.]Honestly, I don't know. Honestly, I don't care. Keeping secrets is not all that unusual for feature films, if you'll notice. Batman Begins kept its little secrets, Superman Returns kept its little secrets, I can't see why you'd be all that surprised that Spider-Man 3 is doing the same.
These are serious questions, not sarcastic ones. If the fanbase's opinion does not matter, then Catwoman should have been an off-the-charts hit. And so should Daredevil, for that matter; not to hint that DD is anywhere near as bad as CW. Elektra should have been a runaway.No, they shouldn't have. Don't confuse adaptation with overall quality of filmmaking. Y'know, look at Blade. Completely different from the comics, and it was perfectly successful.

Look at the Batman '89, again quite different from the comics, and yet still, it was highest grossing comic book movie ever for over a decade.

X-Men wasn't that faithful. There's dozens of discussions over the misuse of key X-Men characters.

Even Superman: The Movie made some giant divations from the comics at the present time - the largest definitely being the shifting of Lex Luthor from a Mad, but brilliant scientist, into an apparently evil real estate tycoon.

So there's four franchises that made some definite changes from their comic sources, and were still both critically and financially successful. Why? Because they were, first and foremost, good movies.

[Visionary]

Hahaha...Sony scared of a few idiotic geeks, whom they know are going to be in theaters on May 4, 2007 regardless, hahaha...freakin' hilarious...you people seriously keep me laughing! :D

I guess you never heard of the "THE GREAT ORGANIC WEB-SHOOTERS DEBATE," eh? More than 1.5 Billion dollars later and organics are still in the film. Yeah, they're horrified of you fanboys. :rolleyes:

They can care less about your ******ing, because you're a ticket already sold. :o

[GoldGoblin]

Hahaha...Sony scared of a few idiotic geeks, whom they know are going to be in theaters on May 4, 2007 regardless, hahaha...freakin' hilarious...you people seriously keep me laughing! :D

I guess you never heard of the "THE GREAT ORGANIC WEB-SHOOTERS DEBATE," eh? More than 1.5 Billion dollars later and organics are still in the film. Yeah, they're horrified of you fanboys. :rolleyes:

They can care less about your ******ing, because you're a ticket already sold. :o

^:) :up:

[CaptainStacy]

So riddle me this: If just any old person will do, if no one cares about even a little accuracy with who's cast, if they don't care if the movie's plot is even remotely related to the comics, then I want to know two things....

1. Why did the Catwoman movie flop resoundingly and

2. Why did the first two Spidey movies, which for the most part were extraordinarily well-cast and had storylines at least in the same universe with classic storylines, do so well?

And yes, I have been wondering for a while now about Sony's reticence about Grace. Were they reticent about revealing who Alfred Molina was cast as? No. Yet here, we're hearing a resounding silence.

Why is that? [and no, I'm not buying "hype! They're building hype!" for even an instant.]

These are serious questions, not sarcastic ones. If the fanbase's opinion does not matter, then Catwoman should have been an off-the-charts hit. And so should Daredevil, for that matter; not to hint that DD is anywhere near as bad as CW. Elektra should have been a runaway.


See Cconn's post directly below yours for all your answers. He sums it up quite nicely.

[CaptainStacy]

I guess you never heard of the "THE GREAT ORGANIC WEB-SHOOTERS DEBATE," eh? More than 1.5 Billion dollars later and organics are still in the film. Yeah, they're horrified of you fanboys. :rolleyes:

'nuff said.

[Pagrebo]

Because it was a bad movie. Filled with poor acting, intollerable dialogue, a plot that had as many holes as your average piece of Swiss Cheese, and some of the worst direction you could ever find this site of Uwe Boll. CINO could've featured Selina Kyle to a T and it still would've been trash.
Because those two films were almost the exac opposite of CINO; they had strong stories and dialogue, (as you said) some really great casting, and quality direction to back it up as well. In short, they were good movies, and thusly, were successful. CINO was - not just a bad adaption - a bad movie, and that, among other things, is why it failed so horribly.
There's a distinct difference however; Molina was SM2's main villain - Venom, by all accounts, is not. He's sharing the screen with Sandman, who, like Molina, was never that much of a mystery from the general public.
Honestly, I don't know. Honestly, I don't care. Keeping secrets is not all that unusual for feature films, if you'll notice. Batman Begins kept its little secrets, Superman Returns kept its little secrets, I can't see why you'd be all that surprised that Spider-Man 3 is doing the same.
No, they shouldn't have. Don't confuse adaptation with overall quality of filmmaking. Y'know, look at Blade. Completely different from the comics, and it was perfectly successful.

Look at the Batman '89, again quite different from the comics, and yet still, it was highest grossing comic book movie ever for over a decade.

X-Men wasn't that faithful. There's dozens of discussions over the misuse of key X-Men characters.

Even Superman: The Movie made some giant divations from the comics at the present time - the largest definitely being the shifting of Lex Luthor from a Mad, but brilliant scientist, into an apparently evil real estate tycoon.

So there's four franchises that made some definite changes from their comic sources, and were still both critically and financially successful. Why? Because they were, first and foremost, good movies.

Any Questions?????:)

[Symbiotica]

I left comparisons to the Batman, Superman and X-franchises out of my equation for a specific reason: my real question [despite my references to S-M1 and 2] is not, what makes good films successful - we have a pretty good idea of that - but what makes bad ones unsuccessful?

Can we truly do any old thing we want and be 100% assured the public will accept it?

Was Gene Hackman as Lex Luthor really that great of an idea?

Is this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/Umbrax2/venom.png

... really that great of an idea in its turn? I laughed out loud when I saw that.

As for this idea that Sandman must be the main villain here since his identity has already been revealed, there's really nothing I can say that hasn't been said before. Enjoy your movie, people.

[TheVileOne]

Symbiotica, using crappy manipulated photos does not legitimize your arguments.

[TheFuture]

Hahaha...Sony scared of a few idiotic geeks, whom they know are going to be in theaters on May 4, 2007 regardless, hahaha...freakin' hilarious...you people seriously keep me laughing! :D

I guess you never heard of the "THE GREAT ORGANIC WEB-SHOOTERS DEBATE," eh? More than 1.5 Billion dollars later and organics are still in the film. Yeah, they're horrified of you fanboys. :rolleyes:

They can care less about your ******ing, because you're a ticket already sold. :o

Well mate, "I'm not an idiotic geek" as you put it. Hell, I never read a comic in my life. I like the 90s animated series and the Films, that's it. I simply have a gripe with Sony due to what I see as ill-treatment of Topher Grace. And of course I'm a ticket already sold, just as you are and everybody ****ing else, so I don't understand why you even say this.

Can I ask you a question Visionary? Why is it that everytime I enter a thread I'm always greeted by sarcasm in your posts. Why is it that you go from thread to thread insulting people and never contribute anything to a thread. All I see you do is provoke people and ruin a thread.

[Abaddon]

I voted yes out of spite.

[Visionary]

Well mate, "I'm not an idiotic geek" as you put it. Hell, I never read a comic in my life. I like the 90s animated series and the Films, that's it. I simply have a gripe with Sony due to what I see as ill-treatment of Topher Grace. And of course I'm a ticket already sold, just as you are and everybody ****ing else, so I don't understand why you even say this.

Can I ask you a question Visionary? Why is it that everytime I enter a thread I'm always greeted by sarcasm in your posts. Why is it that you go from thread to thread insulting people and never contribute anything to a thread. All I see you do is provoke people and ruin a thread.
Put me on your 'Ignore List,' Mr. Thin-Skin, problem solved.:rolleyes:

And I only call you exactly what you are.:p

[TheFuture]

Put me on your 'Ignore List,' Mr. Thin-Skin, problem solved.:rolleyes:

And I only call you exactly what you are.:p

I simply don't like your attitude at times Visionary, no point in putting you on my 'ignore list' for that.:)

And wow, being called an idiot by someone across the atlantic on the internet really gets to me. :rolleyes:

Back on topic, the reason why I am dismayed at Sony's handling of things is simple: Willem Defoe, Alfred Molina and Thomas Hayden Church all recieved little to no criticism after being cast in their respective roles. However, Topher Grace has been relentlessly abused and attacked and Sony don't know how to respond. I hope Topher has a relaxed personality because if I was in his shoes I would feel awfully pissed off.

[Boom]

I hope Topher has a relaxed personality because if I was in his shoes I would feel awfully pissed off.
Considering the pay check, I wouldn't be.

[TheFuture]

Considering the pay check, I wouldn't be.

The man could hit the ground crashing and burning before the film even comes out. Say if every fan was like Symbotica(I'm not attacking Sym), the theaters would be empty due to anger of Tophers casting. That's a bombed film and a ruined career for Grace. Somehow one paycheck wouln't console me.

[Cmill216]

The man could hit the ground crashing and burning before the film even comes out. Say if every fan was like Symbotica(I'm not attacking Sym), the theaters would be empty due to anger of Tophers casting.

:D:D:D

Now THAT'S Fantasy Land.

[Visionary]

Indeed.

Real deep f---ing Fantasy Land.

[Cmill216]

There are gonna be some upset people (we know that), but to even think that that percentage that are unhappy will simply boycott the movie? Don't think so. It's Spider-Man 3. They'll be there.

[Boom]

The man could hit the ground crashing and burning before the film even comes out. Say if every fan was like Symbotica(I'm not attacking Sym), the theaters would be empty due to anger of Tophers casting. That's a bombed film and a ruined career for Grace. Somehow one paycheck wouln't console me.
Considering that not every fan is like Symbiotica, that scenario is remotely plausible.

[Symbiotica]

Considering that not every fan is like Symbiotica, that scenario is remotely plausible.

Who on earth said they were? Certainly not me.

There are gonna be some upset people (we know that), but to even think that that percentage that are unhappy will simply boycott the movie? Don't think so. It's Spider-Man 3. They'll be there.

See, this is what I object to: you people declaring what the disgruntled will do, as if you owned working crystal balls, or had the power to make earth-wide pronouncements that everyone is obliged to follow out of fear of death.

We saw the same exact prophecy made multiple times in the Catwoman forum; needless to say it was shown to be the complete fallacy that it really is. Your saying it does not make it true. Welcome to Reality.

[Abaddon]

It would only upset what the sudios dub "fanboys".Do you really think no one would be interested in seeing the film just because Brock isnt some muscular jock?

[Abaddon]

We saw the same exact prophecy made multiple times in the Catwoman forum; needless to say it was shown to be the complete fallacy that it really is. Your saying it does not make it true. Welcome to Reality.


Thats not a fair comparison.

[Symbiotica]

I cannot speak for everyone, I can only speak for me.

But judging from the reaction in this forum, one of me is more than enough. I disagree with an element of what's going on, and therefore I am The Devil.

Cool. I enjoy being the bad guy. :up:

"Not a fair comparison"? Bah. CW: angry fanpeople.

Kinder, gentler Brock: angry fanpeople, aka Satan and his minions. [HOW DARE THEY DISAGREE!]

I fail to see how just because this is Spider-Man, disgruntled fans will be willing to just put this behind them and merrily trek off to the theatre, but you know, whatever floats your boat.

Sincerely:
the Devil.

[Cmill216]

We saw the same exact prophecy made multiple times in the Catwoman forum; needless to say it was shown to be the complete fallacy that it really is. Your saying it does not make it true. Welcome to Reality.

And what exactly were those prophets prophecizing? That people would go see Catwoman by name alone, no matter if Halle looked like a floozy heroine, the previews looked awful, and the early buzz was horrible? Comparing THOSE "prophecies" to the "prophecies" that some of us are "prophecizing" (that certain people will see SM3 even if they are highly disappointed in Topher's casting as the supporting character of Eddie Brock) is quite ludicrous. You can't tell me with a straight face that there are people who won't see it because of Topher. And even if someone showed up in this forum and made that claim, I bet you'd find their butt in a theatre seat come May of next year. It's f***in' Spider-Man 3. Please.

Am I "ecstatic" that Topher was cast as Brock (if that is the case)? F*** no. If I was making an SM film with the Eddie Brock I remember, I'd be casting Matt Dillon.

Am I going to have an open mind about it? Absolutely. I can clearly see what Raimi is doing (parallel Peter), and I'm willing to give his vision a chance. His vision in that one piece of casting isn't going to keep me from seeing a film I am anxiously waiting for.

[50cent]

i was on the fence...then i said no...but now i say yes....i want a big buff brock and all...but now i want a spider-man sized person and when he gets his alien symbiote he gets taller and stronger...idk tho

[Symbiotica]

You can't tell me with a straight face that there are people who won't see it because of Topher.

Actually, I can: there's more of them than you might think. Symbiote fans are a pretty tightly-knit bunch, and we do a lot of talking in private/away from this site, therefore I speak from an informed perspective. I know what people are saying and thinking, that they're not willing to say in public for fear of being the "bad guy." I don't have that fear, and so I am evidently voted Hype Demon. It's all good. :)

And even if someone showed up in this forum and made that claim, I bet you'd find their butt in a theatre seat come May of next year. It's f***in' Spider-Man 3. Please.

I cannot TELL you how many times I heard that exact same thing from A1ant and a few others in the CW forum back in the day. Dozens of times. Maybe hundreds. Not one of the "haturz" in the CW forum was in the theatre, I can assure you.

Am I going to have an open mind about it? Absolutely. I can clearly see what Raimi is doing (parallel Peter), and I'm willing to give his vision a chance. His vision in that one piece of casting isn't going to keep me from seeing a film I am anxiously waiting for.

Great. Good for you.

Am I bound by law to do the same thing? No. Is anyone else? No. What you want to believe and what will really end up happening are not two sides of the same coin. Do what you want. What you want is not influencing my opinion... OMG! I must be one of those horrible "closed-minded" people! Nooooooooooo! Anything but that!

:rolleyes:

[Abaddon]

I don't think anyone cares enough to demonize you.It seems silly at best,but whatever.

[TheCardPlayer]

I think I am one of the biggest Venom fans around. Heck I love all incarnations of him! Now that's dedication.


And while I will most likely still see SM3, I can safely say that I will hate it, if Raimi butchers Venom.

Venom is not one of Marvel's most popular characters for nothing...and I'm afraid Raimi will strip him of anything that makes him that great. Eddie Brock is supposed to be huge. I'm not asking for a giant, someone taller then Tobey is fine. Heck, RC Everbeck isn't even 6 but he'd make a great Brock! I just wanted a muscular Brock...like the real one you know!

If Topher really had a bigger shape, I wouldn't complain....but he still looks like a stick.

[CConn]

I cannot speak for everyone, I can only speak for me.

But judging from the reaction in this forum, one of me is more than enough. I disagree with an element of what's going on, and therefore I am The Devil.

Cool. I enjoy being the bad guy. :up:

"Not a fair comparison"? Bah. CW: angry fanpeople.

Kinder, gentler Brock: angry fanpeople, aka Satan and his minions. [HOW DARE THEY DISAGREE!]

I fail to see how just because this is Spider-Man, disgruntled fans will be willing to just put this behind them and merrily trek off to the theatre, but you know, whatever floats your boat.

Sincerely:
the Devil.People don't like you because you're extremely stuck up, and overly negative.

I'm not criticizing...just informing. :)

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/8220/themoreyouknow47491466ya.jpg

[TheCardPlayer]

People don't like you because you're extremely stuck up, and overly negative.

I'm not criticizing...just informing. :)

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/8220/themoreyouknow47491466ya.jpgBut isn't she telling the truth?

[Cmill216]

Actually, I can: there's more of them than you might think. Symbiote fans are a pretty tightly-knit bunch, and we do a lot of talking in private/away from this site, therefore I speak from an informed perspective. I know what people are saying and thinking, that they're not willing to say in public for fear of being the "bad guy."

:D You're not giving your symbiote brothers and sisters a good name right now, you know. The way you are describing them makes them sound like a bunch of cowardly, "I don't want to come out of my alien closet" people. It's all good, though. :D



I cannot TELL you how many times I heard that exact same thing from A1ant and a few others in the CW forum back in the day. Dozens of times. Maybe hundreds. Not one of the "haturz" in the CW forum was in the theatre, I can assure you.

And I don't blame them for not sitting through that mess of a motion picture. But Catwoman was an overall piece of garbage, and we could tell that from the teaser posters, Sym. Until we start seeing teasers and ACTUAL news coming from this film, I personally don't think it is the time to be comparing CW, the haturz, and the prophets yet. But you're entitled to whatever you want to compare this to. Duh.


Great. Good for you.

Am I bound by law to do the same thing? No. Is anyone else? No. What you want to believe and what will really end up happening are not two sides of the same coin. Do what you want. What you want is not influencing my opinion... OMG! I must be one of those horrible "closed-minded" people! Nooooooooooo! Anything but that!

:rolleyes:

I must have missed the part where I tied you down to a bed and forced my "belief system" down your throat, Sym. (And, no, there were no allusions to rape in that statement).

Satan (as you are now calling yourself), you can do whatever you want to do. Can I strongly (in my mind) defend my viewpoint without someone saying "you ain't gonna influence me, b****"? Or should I write everything in a passive, pansy tone as to not come off as a "my opinion is God" person?

(Ten minutes later someone retorts: "Pansy tone? You already do! WINK, WINK, ROLLING EYES, SMILEY FACES, HARDY HAR HAR.")

[Joker]

:D You're not giving your symbiote brothers and sisters a good name right now, you know. The way you are describing them makes them sound like a bunch of cowardly, "I don't want to come out of my alien closet" people. It's all good, though. :D


She's not giving anyone a bad name.Most of the Venom fans on this site can't stand this forum now,with all this talk of Topher as Venom.

Don't believe me?? Then ask in the big ass Venom fan thread in Spidey World: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130184

I'm not a huge symbiote fan myself [though I am very fond of Carnage],but like any villain,I want him portrayed by an actor who not only can act,but looks the part.

I'm sure you all heard of their initial idea for Doc Ock,they were going to not only make him young,but have him involved in a bizarre love triangle with MJ :rolleyes: A young Doc Ock?? Good god no :down And infatuated with MJ?? Even worse.

Thank god they didn't go with that,but the point is that it crossed their minds.It was given actual serious consideration.From the casting of Topher as Brock,I can only imagine what BS they have cooked up for him,if they were going to have Ock have a thing for MJ lol.

So I don't blame any symbiote fans being negative about the prospect of Topher as Venom.I'm negative about it,and I don't really like Venom much.But if we're going to see him,I'd like him done right.

[Cmill216]

I'm sure you all heard of their initial idea for Doc Ock,they were going to not only make him young,but have him involved in a bizarre love triangle with MJ :rolleyes: A young Doc Ock?? Good god no :down And infatuated with MJ?? Even worse.


I remember that on the DVD. Was that Arad's idea mainly?

[Joker]

I remember that on the DVD. Was that Arad's idea mainly?

I don't know.He was the one who talked about it on the DVD,but he did express distaste at the idea,and said he was glad they didn't go that route.

But I am betting,him or Sony forced Venom on Raimi.Raimi has expressed dislike for Venom several times in the past.I remember the numerous threads about it,and people cussing him over it.

[Symbiotica]

People don't like you because you're extremely stuck up, and overly negative.

I'm not criticizing...just informing. :)

Here's the thing that you [and a number of other people] are missing about what I post:

I don't care if you don't like it. And moreover.... I don't really care if you like me. If I did, I would only post nice, gentle, obediant things in a very respectful tone, being very, very careful never to ruffle anyone's feathers.

The "liking" of people such as yourself is very cheap stuff in which I am not interested; I have less than no interest in diluting my message in order to win your approval. "Curries favor" is not on my resume'.

But isn't she telling the truth?

That's the part that they don't want to admit. This whole thing is ridiculous, but I must admit I am enjoying my role' as Hype Demon First Class. It's... liberating, and what's more I can speak my mind anywhere - without saying one thing in Community and then coming here and pretending something else. :up: Grrrr! Snarl! Now if I can just work on growing these little horns.... if gelatin is supposed to grow strong nails, I wonder if it works on horns...?

[Spec Spider-Man]

I really hope he is NOT Venom.

[Izzysamos]

It nauseates me when people display such hatred towards people they have never even met. :( What does this have to do with Spider-Man 3? Please take your conflict off the boards to private e-mails. We have enough hatred in the world without all of this garbage, you know?

I hope Topher is not Venom, myself, but if he is, that's fine, too.

[CConn]

But isn't she telling the truth?You'd be surprised how much something as simple as tone can affect how people view each other.

And obviously, you can't really "tell the truth" on matters of opinion, but that's neither here nor there.

[CConn]

Here's the thing that you [and a number of other people] are missing about what I post:

I don't care if you don't like it. And moreover.... I don't really care if you like me.Actually, I had already realized that.

I am a genius.
If I did, I would only post nice, gentle, obediant things in a very respectful tone, being very, very careful never to ruffle anyone's feathers.

The "liking" of people such as yourself is very cheap stuff in which I am not interested; I have less than no interest in diluting my message in order to win your approval. "Curries favor" is not on my resume'.If you're referring to me, you honestly aren't nearly stupid enough for me to hate you. :o

Oh wait...you edited out my picture. I hate you. :down

[Spider-Bite]

I don't know.He was the one who talked about it on the DVD,but he did express distaste at the idea,and said he was glad they didn't go that route.

But I am betting,him or Sony forced Venom on Raimi.Raimi has expressed dislike for Venom several times in the past.I remember the numerous threads about it,and people cussing him over it.

I'm not sure why he doesn't like it, however if that's the case then I can't blame him for making changes to Venom. The creative juices ahve to flow, and in order for that to happen he has to enjoy what he's doing, otherwise it would suck even worse. So he might be making changes so that he likes it, and I wont blame him for changing Venom.

[The Hurricane]

I wonder why raimi didnt like the Venom character. I heard that he didnt like the character all together including his whole story. I find it a little more believable than alot of the other villans storys. I think he didnt like him aswell because he wears a mash. I saw something else too that Raimi didnt like villans that wore masks. It took away from the acting and you cant see feeling

[Joker]

I'm not sure why he doesn't like it, however if that's the case then I can't blame him for making changes to Venom. The creative juices ahve to flow, and in order for that to happen he has to enjoy what he's doing, otherwise it would suck even worse. So he might be making changes so that he likes it, and I wont blame him for changing Venom.

So basically you agree with completely changing a fan favorite villain,just because the director doesn't personally like him??

I wonder why raimi didnt like the Venom character. I think he didnt like him aswell because he wears a mash. I saw something else too that Raimi didnt like villans that wore masks. It took away from the acting and you cant see feeling

I don't think that's true.He did a good job with the Green Goblin [apart from the costume].

[Cmill216]

I don't think that's true.He did a good job with the Green Goblin [apart from the costume].

It ISN'T entirely true. You're right. Raimi said after SM1 that he wanted his next villain to be someone without a mask because he felt it was odd having two masked adversaries, and not being able to see either one of their faces during their confrontations. Something to that effect. It was merely one of the things he wanted to change going into SM2.

[TheFuture]

Indeed.

Real deep f---ing Fantasy Land.

Hold my hands up. Trying to be too complicated:down

However, I still maintain that Topher is being ill-treated. Sony sanctioned a casting choice made by Sam Raimi. Yet they seem to be lacking a vital bit of decisiveness. I can tell by the way they have behaved. The black Spider-man picture indicates to me they still don't know how to approach Topher's unveiling. They don't know what the **** their doing and it's coming off bad on Grace.

[Dew k. Mosi]

keep it civil

[Mister Gone]

Plus we would have had some proof by now.

[i-n-z-a-n-e]

Who cares who acts as venom/eddie. (I mean not some crapppy dude) I don't see whats wrong with Topher (besides all the complaining that he's too small) people invented weight training you know. I don't know what anyone else thinks but i think Topher could pull it off and do a good job.

[The Kid]

He'll be the greatest venom.

[Mr. Vice]

:o I can't wait for sony to release a picture of Topher looking very evil so the naysayers can staple their mouths shut!

[jimmylace]

All the casting decisions so far have been pretty good. I think making venom a parallel to spidey will work WAY better...in these movies anyway.

[Venomosity]

he's not, if the teaster poster is really symbiote spidey then how would venom have the costume? I think he's eddie borck. period

[The Infernal]

There should be extra options on this poll. Such as, 'don't care anymore', 'never cared' and 'who?'

[Spider-Man™]

I really hope he's not Venom. But still if he is, and looks good as Brock my thoughts of it might change.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I really hope he's not Venom. But still if he is, and looks good as Brock my thoughts of it might change.

What a completely pointless answer. "If he's crap - no, if he's good, then yes".

[Maxime]

Topher will be the greatest villain EVAR!!!!!!

[GoldGoblin]

I'm actually looking forward to Topher being Venom,I think he will make the character alot better than the comic version of him.

[Wallcrawler383]

Im going out on a limb here, pardon me for doing so, but what the hell, Im gonna give it a shot...

Has anyone thought Grace will be used as another villain, and this BLACK SUIT Spidey is using the power of advertisement to carry us into the fourth film? Sure, weve been told a few times that the series of films will be a trilogy, but think about it, weve been told no venom, and yet we have a black suit. Hollywood doesnt like to play it straight, we will go drive around in circles with the movie business if we have to.

Anyway, my point is, take X-Men 2, where Colossus (pardon my spelling, I should know better, if it is wrong) showed up in a brief cameo, totally taking us by suprise. Can Spider-Man 3 play the same card, have everyone buzzing about Grace being Venom, when all of a sudden we see an unknown dude playing Brock? Being a guy who is free of all the credited buzz? We know when Grace, Church and Cromwell signed on, we found out. Point is, what if we dont find out about this until we are sitting with a bucket o popcorn in one hand and an expensive soda in the other? Sure everyone has said (Church and Dunst mainly) Grace will be playing the big black symbiote freak, but since many people cast in Spider-Man have been made to keep their mouths shut or say what they can, neither of them have said that Topher is indeed playing him. Would they let that slip? Probably not. But since we know Sandman, Gwen Stacey, and Green Goblin are probably appearing, finding out Venom is being played by Grace wouldnt be much of a shock.

And while somebody earlier mentioned that Grace was seen in a pic from January, nobody ever has ever seen him since, right? Based on the possibility that he is Venom, he could be hiding from the public in order to get into the proper shape to take on this role. Once he reappears, I think we can all decide what the hell is going on.

Finally, personally, I like Venom, but hes too much of a major villain, and I really think he should be a starring villain in a later Spider-Man film. If Topher is NOT going to play him, then Im holding out all hopes for Electro, my personal favorite of cheesy Spider-Man villains.

A little bit more than a year to the movie folks...Judging the way the hollywood buzz machine works, we will know something SOON.

I wont say anything positive or negative about the progress of this film until the first trailer hits. I loved both films (for what they were. They could obviously be a lot more faithful, but you cant have everything) and I have far too much faith to diss it yet.

[Amm-arD]

Both the Spidermans have been amazingly good! About having 'the 2 masks' thing...thats probably why hes added Sandman to balance it all out..and venom doesnt really have a mask if u think about it...its a face with scary eyes and a fully functional mouth lol! (unlike GG with a real mask in SM1)

[Daisy]

At this point, I'm fairly confident that Grace is Brock, but I do hope he doesn't turn into Venom in this film (or if he does that we simply see the suit overtaking him as a teaser for the next film).

[KALEL114]

At this point, I'm fairly confident that Grace is Brock, but I do hope he doesn't turn into Venom in this film (or if he does that we simply see the suit overtaking him as a teaser for the next film).
Same here.:up:

[vegeta21]

If they are going for the twisted mirror image of Peter Parker, then I'd say Topher would be perfect. However, before he was cast I always thought he'd make an excellent replacement for Tobey, should he not want to do another Spider-Man film. I'm somewhat disappointed that we won't be seeing him as Spider-Man in future films.

[ges681]

im on the fence. the funny thing to me is....
dont these conversations sound familiar to what everyone was saying when they casted the part of spiderman in 2001?

sam/tobey suprised me then and i think the same will happen here.

[The offspring]

raimi knows his ****, if he's chosen grace as brock then grace is gonna rock bells as brock, no questions asked.

[Mister Gone]

At this point, I'm fairly confident that Grace is Brock, but I do hope he doesn't turn into Venom in this film (or if he does that we simply see the suit overtaking him as a teaser for the next film).

Agreed! I think Venom is a bit much anyway, but he would be a-much-to-much for this movie (with gg and sandman and all)

[Amm-arD]

i think a cliff hanger finish with SM3 ending with Brock turning into Venom..thatd be pure class

[Mister Gone]

Hmmm actually it kind of smacks of Harry finding the Goblin lair, I don't know, maybe a fight and an escape.