Stories of spreading the news of Superman Returns...

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I was on break at work today and in walks one of the hot model female co-workers. I was watching TV and what we were watching was boring, so she asked if she could flip the channel and I agreed. She flipped straight to Smallville, one of her favorite shows she tells me. I ask her why and she says because it's Superman (and also because of Welling).

I asked her if she knew there was a new Superman movie coming out, and she said yes, but expressed disappointment that Welling was not Superman. I asked her if she'd seen the new Superman, and she said no. I tried to describe him by saying he is similiar in looks to Reeve back in the '78 movie. She said she didn't like that, and prefers the young, "more modern" Superman in Welling. I silently sighed in disappointment at that.

She also said it would be confusing because she thinks of Welling as Superman, and to watch Smallville for so long and then to accept someone else as Superman is next to impossible.

Do any of you guys have any stories like this?

[Sverdlovski]

Well, yes. To many non-fans, when I tell them a new Superman movie is being made, they always ask if "the guy from Smallville" is going to play Supes, or if the movie has anything to do with the series.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

This is not because I'm against Welling or anything but I have talked with TONS of people... Casual fans, and more hardcore fans... Not one time did anyone ever associate Welling with Superman. I've never ever once heard someone ask about him in regards to the new movie. The first question I'm always asked is "Who's playing Superman?" or "Does he look like Reeve at all?" When I say "Brandon Routh" they have no idea who he is but are excited that a new film is being made.

[Cinemaman]

I don't see Welling as Superman, he is only Superboy.

[TheBlueWolf]

I've talked with many people that feel as if Welling has been shafted, people that claim that they will not support the new Superman movie because of that.

Though they fail to realize that Welling himself did not want to wear a suit and play Superman...but oh well.

I have also talked with numerous people that did not know Superman Returns was coming out...to be honest, it needs to be promoted as heavy as X-3...even more so!!!

I have talked with people that knew a new Superman movie was coming out, but they did not know that LOIS is going to be a single mom...and when I told them about that fact, they were like, what!?? No way, she can't be a single mom, and they were utterly disapointed. Makes me wonder how many main stream folks realize and understand that LOIS is going to be carrying baggage??? Makes me wonder if this fact will hurt this movie...single moms are a dime a dozen ya know. I just pray that she does not utter the words, "BABBY'S DADDY" in this movie. hahaha

[dark_b]

1. welling is not superman. he plays clark kent.
2. non-fans think that because in smallville hes name is clark kent they think that he is superman.
3. what non-fans think doesnt matter to me since 70% of them will watch superman because of the effects,because they will see how a man can fly,spacey plays lex luthor.
4. nice story. i belive you ,but i have a hard time to belive that a hot baybe would know that a new superman movie is coming out.
5. non-bat fans thought that BB was a prequel. that time i realize that they just dont know a thing about this movies. or they are stupid(idiots).

so does it really matter what they think about this comicbook movies? again they thought it was a prequel to bat89.

[Immortalfire]

5. non-bat fans thought that BB was a prequel. that time i realize that they just dont know a thing about this movies. or they are stupid(idiots).

so does it really matter what they think about this comicbook movies? again they thought it was a prequel to bat89. Amen on that one. I had to straighten out like 20 folks because this is what they said regarding Begins..."Why did they change the guy who killed his parents? Joker did it :confused: "

Arrrrgh

[Mentok]

I don't see Welling as Superman, he is only Superboy.

Nah, not even Superboy... he is young Clark.

[dark_b]

Nah, not even Superboy... he is young Clark.he plays clark kent/kal-el. nothing more. and didnt some of the writters said that kent will be the real person not superman?

[Mentok]

he plays clark kent/kal-el. nothing more. and didnt some of the writters said that kent will be the real person not superman?

I believe thats what Millar said, that Clark is the real person, Superman is the disguise.

Im not 100% on that though... I have seen too many different quotes from people explaining what part of Clark/Kal/Superman is the 'real person' :D

[Mr. Credible]

I was on break at work today and in walks one of the hot model female co-workers. I was watching TV and what we were watching was boring, so she asked if she could flip the channel and I agreed. She flipped straight to Smallville, one of her favorite shows she tells me. I ask her why and she says because it's Superman (and also because of Welling).

I asked her if she knew there was a new Superman movie coming out, and she said yes, but expressed disappointment that Welling was not Superman. I asked her if she'd seen the new Superman, and she said no. I tried to describe him by saying he is similiar in looks to Reeve back in the '78 movie. She said she didn't like that, and prefers the young, "more modern" Superman in Welling. I silently sighed in disappointment at that.

She also said it would be confusing because she thinks of Welling as Superman, and to watch Smallville for so long and then to accept someone else as Superman is next to impossible.

Do any of you guys have any stories like this?

damn, who cares if she wants Welling as superman, the fact that she's into that kind of stuff at all means you should marry her, immediately.

[Nautica7mk]

My friends and co-workers are indifferent. They just want a good movie.

[Mentok]

damn, who cares if she wants Welling as superman, the fact that she's into that kind of stuff at all means you should marry her, immediately.

ROFL. :up:

[Naite22]

I think Welling is absolutely great, I really mean that.. and for a long time I wanted him to play the new superman in the movie, even after Routh was cast.. but not any more... Routh IS superman.. Welling IS Clark Kent, before Superman.. Welling is great, but he's representing Kal-El in a different stage of his life..

[dpm07]

I run into a lot of people who say they'll wait for the DVD. Most love Christopher Reeve as Superman, but can't stand the camp of the 70's films, or the Pre-Crisis elements.

I also see a lot of people who ask, "Who's the villain?" or "Who's Superman fighting in this movie?" When I explain that Luthor's the villain and that Superman's not fighting any supervillains in the film, that really doesn't thrill them too much. They can understand Luthor, but think someone else should be there for Superman to fight. They all say, "Superman's got a ton of villains, Brainiac, Darkseid, Metallo, Parasite, etc., why can't they be in the film?" I tell them, that's not the approach Singer wanted to take.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I run into a lot of people who say they'll wait for the DVD. Most love Christopher Reeve as Superman, but can't stand the camp of the 70's films, or the Pre-Crisis elements.

I also see a lot of people who ask, "Who's the villain?" or "Who's Superman fighting in this movie?" When I explain that Luthor's the villain and that Superman's not fighting any supervillains in the film, that really doesn't thrill them too much. They can understand Luthor, but think someone else should be there for Superman to fight. They all say, "Superman's got a ton of villains, Brainiac, Darkseid, Metallo, Parasite, etc., why can't they be in the film?" I tell them, that's not the approach Singer wanted to take.


Really? Any casual fan I've ever talked to has only heard of Lex Luthor so are excited upon hearing he's in the film.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

4. nice story. i belive you ,but i have a hard time to belive that a hot baybe would know that a new superman movie is coming out.


Well, my dark friend, maybe you missed the part where I mentioned that Smallville is one of her favorite shows which means she probably watches it a lot which means she might have seen the SR teaser that appears during an episode a while back.

Plus it isn't exactly a top secret government project.

Also, my job gets a free subscription to Entertainment Weekly, and Routh and Bosworth appeared on the cover. The magazine was in our break room for a whie.

A hot baybe?? lol.

[dpm07]

Really? Any casual fan I've ever talked to has only heard of Lex Luthor so are excited upon hearing he's in the film.

That's cool on your end. I guess the people that I've been talking to, have a different mindset. Not bad or wrong, or right. Just different.

[Matt]

I was on break at work today and in walks one of the hot model female co-workers. I was watching TV and what we were watching was boring, so she asked if she could flip the channel and I agreed. She flipped straight to Smallville, one of her favorite shows she tells me. I ask her why and she says because it's Superman (and also because of Welling).

I asked her if she knew there was a new Superman movie coming out, and she said yes, but expressed disappointment that Welling was not Superman. I asked her if she'd seen the new Superman, and she said no. I tried to describe him by saying he is similiar in looks to Reeve back in the '78 movie. She said she didn't like that, and prefers the young, "more modern" Superman in Welling. I silently sighed in disappointment at that.

She also said it would be confusing because she thinks of Welling as Superman, and to watch Smallville for so long and then to accept someone else as Superman is next to impossible.

Do any of you guys have any stories like this?

I think what we would really like to know is did you tap dat?

[Naite22]

I run into a lot of people who say they'll wait for the DVD. Most love Christopher Reeve as Superman, but can't stand the camp of the 70's films, or the Pre-Crisis elements.

I also see a lot of people who ask, "Who's the villain?" or "Who's Superman fighting in this movie?" When I explain that Luthor's the villain and that Superman's not fighting any supervillains in the film, that really doesn't thrill them too much. They can understand Luthor, but think someone else should be there for Superman to fight. They all say, "Superman's got a ton of villains, Brainiac, Darkseid, Metallo, Parasite, etc., why can't they be in the film?" I tell them, that's not the approach Singer wanted to take.
All of that Bull**** will change after people see the upcoming theatrical trailer!:up: I'm so confident in this matter, people will be thinking "What the ****!?" SR is like a volcano... Seems pretty harmless, until it explodes.. and boy oh boy, the SR marketing will soon explode!!

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Yeah, I agree the trailer is the key, as usual of course. But it will be more important in SR's case. It's going to have to really sell itself AND make itself clear just exactly what it is.

I think what we would really like to know is did you tap dat?

No, not yet. I'll keep you up to date though, ok? :)

[Nivek]

Keep track of all these people saying they wont see this movie. We'll see what they really did in July. I have a feeling after we see the trailer, alot of the s#!t talking will be flushed, except from the stubbern Negative Nancy's we see here.

But to most people, Smallville will be an afterthought, because you will see Superman do Superman things, not pretty teens whine for a normal life and see kryptonite turn people into mutants. Im not argueing Smallville has an audience, but alot of them watch a show thats 90% WB teen demo show to see that 10% of Superclark. And Im willing to bet they are sick of getting scraps of Superman, and seeing his backstory ravaged to make good TV.

People will recognise the REAL Superman, when it comes down to it.

[The Sage]

I run into a lot of people who say they'll wait for the DVD. Most love Christopher Reeve as Superman, but can't stand the camp of the 70's films, or the Pre-Crisis elements.

I also see a lot of people who ask, "Who's the villain?" or "Who's Superman fighting in this movie?" When I explain that Luthor's the villain and that Superman's not fighting any supervillains in the film, that really doesn't thrill them too much. They can understand Luthor, but think someone else should be there for Superman to fight. They all say, "Superman's got a ton of villains, Brainiac, Darkseid, Metallo, Parasite, etc., why can't they be in the film?" I tell them, that's not the approach Singer wanted to take.

What's interesting is that with the exception of Brainiac, most of the general public aren't aware of the villains mentioned here.

In any case, I'm not really worried about the people who aren't thrilled about a brawl against a supervillain not being included and will only see a movie if there's a one on one fight. They can watch Elektra or Fantastic Four for all I care.

[The Sage]

Keep track of all these people saying they wont see this movie. We'll see what they really did in July. I have a feeling after we see the trailer, alot of the s#!t talking will be flushed, excepm the stubbern coots we see here. But to most people, Smallville will be an afterthought, because you will see Superman do Superman things, not pretty teens whine for a normal life and see kryptonite turn people into mutants.

People will recognise the REAL Superman, when it comes down to it.

Agreed. I think a brief glimpse of a 25 minute airplane rescue sequence will change the opinions of those weary about the action.

[Naite22]

^ Action wont be the problem in this movie, cause when it comes to that, we'll see the most mindblowing and breathtaking action sequences ever to have been seen on film:) and the fact that scepticles and normal movie goers don't know that, will only make it that more mindblowing, seeing how no one is expecting it..!!!!!!!!

[dark_b]

^ Action wont be the problem in this movie, cause when it comes to that, we'll see the most mindblowing and breathtaking action sequences ever to have been seen on film:) and the fact that scepticles and normal movie goers don't know that, will only make it that more mindblowing, seeing how no one is expecting it..!!!!!!!!you are like lexlives just that you are positive. but still you talk about things that you dont know. :o

[Man-E-Toys]

you are like lexlives just that you are positive. but still you talk about things that you dont know. :o
ill read naite's postive remarks over lexlives' negative remarks any day.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I'm gonna try and talk to as many people as possible about SR just to get a microcosm of opinion.

I had some friends over to my place a while back and I was telling them about Superman Returns. One of them whom use to be a good friend but has since been 'demoted' to acquantence (long long story) is a HUGE Donner Superman fan, yet he hasn't even seen the teaser to SR. It's weird because had we still been friends, he would have seen the teaser long ago courtesy of me since I was always his best source of movie news.

I told them about Routh, what the film was based on, and other important tidbits, and they both seemed disappointed that it wasn't a whole new reboot. Since my former friend is a HUGE John Williams fan like myself, I figured he would appreciate that they are incorporating the old classic themes, but he was also not happy with that! He thought the old theme should represent the old movie and since this is a new film, it should have a new theme. Boy was I disappointed and surprised.

My actual friend isn't into superhero movies that much -- although he liked Batman Begins and even the '78 Superman -- so he is pretty much indifferent to SR.

[Naite22]

you are like lexlives just that you are positive. but still you talk about things that you dont know. :o
You're telling me that we dont already know that the action in this movie will be the best ever to have been seen on film... Dark_b.. that much IS surden... I've been positive about this movie from the very begining.. and everything surrounding this movie tells that it'll be the biggest movie in many many years, not just 2006.. Bryan said in interviews that this film will be just as revollutional as the very first superman..that says it all right there.. Just everything about the plane sequence (that was told over a year ago) tells that that scene will be a shocker like nothing else.. They will have characters doing things on screen that has NEVER before been seen in that size of scoop... Everything that has been developed for this movie only, is beyond anything I've ever read about any other movie, and I like really keeping up on those things.. Out of everything how can you not say that the action will be out of this world crazy! That is ONE thing that I'm surdently NOT affraid to say ahead of time.. The action in SR will be the wildest ever seen on film.. And you can quote me on that.. so that if I were to be wrong, you can save this post and rub it in my face after the movie is released, given that I was wrong about it... But about this, I'm not:)

Bryan also said at some convention two weeks before they started shooting the film.. I remember seeing a video of it.. He said "In 1978 it said: You'll believe a man can fly...In 2006 it'll be: You'll believe a whole lot more is possible!" Is Bryan the kind of man who says things he doesn't mean?? I think not...

[dark_b]

You're telling me that we dont already know that the action in this movie will be the best ever to have been seen on film... Dark_b.. that much IS surden... I've been positive about this movie from the very begining.. and everything surrounding this movie tells that it'll be the biggest movie in many many years, not just 2006.. Bryan said in interviews that this film will be just as revollutional as the very first superman..that says it all right there.. Just everything about the plane sequence (that was told over a year ago) tells that that scene will be a shocker like nothing else.. They will have characters doing things on screen that has NEVER before been seen in that size of scoop... Everything that has been developed for this movie only, is beyond anything I've ever read about any other movie, and I like really keeping up on those things.. Out of everything how can you not say that the action will be out of this world crazy! That is ONE thing that I'm surdently NOT affraid to say ahead of time.. The action in SR will be the wildest ever seen on film.. And you can quote me on that.. so that if I were to be wrong, you can save this post and rub it in my face after the movie is released, given that I was wrong about it... But about this, I'm not:)

Bryan also said at some convention two weeks before they started shooting the film.. I remember seeing a video of it.. He said "In 1978 it said: You'll believe a man can fly...In 2006 it'll be: You'll believe a whole lot more is possible!" Is Bryan the kind of man who says things he doesn't mean?? I think not...the action will be great. the question is how much of action will we get? and lets not forget that superman is doing the same things that he was doing in S:TM. actually he is rescuing the exact same things!!! will the movie have some new stuff? yes he will. but why not be everything new? why so many homages?

i am afraid that i will not like 40% of the movie. just because he is obssesed with donners superman.

[Tron5000]

If you mean Singer, he's not "obsessed" with Donner's Superman. Remember, STM and S2 form the background for this movie, so obviously, it should bear some resemblance to those 2 films. And we'll see Superman doing the same things he did in the previous films? Oh, yeah, I liked when he got stabbed by Kryptonite before. I also liked when we saw him return from a prolonged absence to deal with a world that had moved on without him. And it was great when Lex created the New Krypton!

This movie will have more than enough new action sequences and plot devices to not appear to be a rehash of the previous movies.

[Octoberist]

I've told a guy at school about it, and mentioned that Lex Luthor is being played by Kevin Spacey. He was amazed.

Then I told him that it's about Superman returning to Earth, a more cynical and dangerous place that moved on from him. Again, he was amazed and he cited that it was wise on Singer's part to create this plot. In a way, it isolates Superman and no matter how much power he has, he can't change everything.

[M.O.Steel]

you guys also have to realize most people won't be excited about a movie until it gets closer to the release date. We as fans are obsessed with it and we have countdowns and stuff like that, most people won't even be aware of the movie until myabe a month or 2 before june 30th

[Asr]

I believe thats what Millar said, that Clark is the real person, Superman is the disguise.

Im not 100% on that though... I have seen too many different quotes from people explaining what part of Clark/Kal/Superman is the 'real person' :D

no no NO! I hate the idea of "Clark is who I am, Superman is what I can do"! Clark is the disguise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BareKnucklez]

I was on break at work today and in walks one of the hot model female co-workers. I was watching TV and what we were watching was boring, so she asked if she could flip the channel and I agreed. She flipped straight to Smallville, one of her favorite shows she tells me. I ask her why and she says because it's Superman (and also because of Welling).

I asked her if she knew there was a new Superman movie coming out, and she said yes, but expressed disappointment that Welling was not Superman. I asked her if she'd seen the new Superman, and she said no. I tried to describe him by saying he is similiar in looks to Reeve back in the '78 movie. She said she didn't like that, and prefers the young, "more modern" Superman in Welling. I silently sighed in disappointment at that.

She also said it would be confusing because she thinks of Welling as Superman, and to watch Smallville for so long and then to accept someone else as Superman is next to impossible.

Do any of you guys have any stories like this?

Dude no joke just about anyone I have spoken to since they cast Routh in the movie has told me almost exactly the same thing!

Now should be somewhere near 30plus people which I have asked or spoken to about Superman in general, and the topic comes up.
I hang out with alot of comic geeks cus well im a comic geek myself, and nobody I know is even a little hyped about the movie.

Most of the girls I know which have talked about this subject have said that they are not even going to watch the movie if Welling is not in it.
I honestly think that the WB missed a major chance here, Welling in the movie would have sold the movie more then Routh...

Most people don't like the idea that Routh was cast only cause he sounds a little like Chris, and looks somewhat like him a little from certain angles...
Just about everyone says that they rather see a more modern Superman which is an all new take on the character, and Welling is their #1 choice...

Like it's been said before... Tom Welling is this Generations SUPERMAN, and Brandon Routh might just have came by to late... For alot of people The Torch has been passed from Reeve to Welling... Lets hope Singer has not failed us...

[BareKnucklez]

damn, who cares if she wants Welling as superman, the fact that she's into that kind of stuff at all means you should marry her, immediately.


excellent point!

Couldn't have said it better myself... lol :up:

[true316]

I told my best friend about it. It's pretty cool because he was a guy who routinely poked fun at Superman. What initially peaked his interest was when I told him that Singer was directing and that Spacey was Lex Luthor. He loves The Usual Suspects so that got him interested. Then I showed him my favorite blog (the one where they talk about flying). Do you remember the part where he takes off at the end and the music gets really cool? Immediately after seeing that his response was: "Wow...that... was actually pretty cool." He recently showed me some Superman clothes his fiance bought him. Apparently he has been talking about Supes even when I'm not around! :D

As far as the women in my life, I've told my girlfriend. I think she's still more excited about POTC 2 (stupid Johnny Depp)! :O I showed my Mom a blog one time. When she saw Brandon her excited reaction was so cute (she has an accent): "He looks just like the Christopher Reeve!" My Mom rocks! :)

[The Sage]

I've told a guy at school about it, and mentioned that Lex Luthor is being played by Kevin Spacey. He was amazed.

Then I told him that it's about Superman returning to Earth, a more cynical and dangerous place that moved on from him. Again, he was amazed and he cited that it was wise on Singer's part to create this plot. In a way, it isolates Superman and no matter how much power he has, he can't change everything.

Exactly!:up:

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I believe thats what Millar said, that Clark is the real person, Superman is the disguise.

Im not 100% on that though... I have seen too many different quotes from people explaining what part of Clark/Kal/Superman is the 'real person' :D

I can tell you that Singer sees Superman as the person and Clark as the disguise.

[bgshw44]

I can tell you that Singer sees Superman as the person and Clark as the disguise.

thats how i view it as well:supes: , i have total faith in Singer

[The Kid]

there was a guy at work who wanted to know about superman returns. so I told him everything I knew like how routh looks ok, not great, in the new outfit, and more about how lois has a child. It was then that he drank his hot coffee and spit it upon me. I wiped my face off with a napkin and continued to tell him that lex luthor is k-pax. He looked at me puzzled. I laughed and said, no I mean he's keven spacey. so I went on some more about everything in the blogs, how sexy lex's little girlfriend is and stuff. He liked the idea of the train set metropolis lex built. I said it's cool. then I told him about Jimmy Olsen, and how awesome his bow-tie is. He said he likes bow-ties. I said I like bow-ties. After all that we ordered pizza and played some halo.

He likes smallville because it's a good show and he likes the that bryan singer is making superman becaue bryan singer knows how to make some good movies. I told him, yeah, oh god yes he does.

[true316]

. then I told him about Jimmy Olsen, and how awesome his bow-tie is. He said he likes bow-ties. I said I like bow-ties.

:up: for bow-ties! :D

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Been hittin the bars tonight, Wesyeed?

:)

[The Kid]

yes

[blueboy]

damn, who cares if she wants Welling as superman, the fact that she's into that kind of stuff at all means you should marry her, immediately.

:up:

[coast city]

I was hanging out with a couple friends last night and a friend told me she was being set up with a guy who was obsessed with Superman and she needed me to give her a 10 minute tutoring session on the man of steel so she could get ready for the date. I mentioned the new Superman movie and nobody knew what I was talking about, but once I threw in Spacey's name, everyone got interested. So I showed them the trailer and afterwards they al said they got goosebumps from the trailer. This leads me to conclude that general awareness of this movie won't rise until there are more tv spots and film trailers. But when people get a glimpse of the stuff we've seen, they will flip out. I hope.

[sevinw0rds]

Once the full trailer and poster marketing hits, this movie will be impossible to ignore. I daresay that a good number of the people who want no one else aside from Welling in the suit will flock to theatres simply because its freaking SUPERMAN. I sincerely disagree with the statement saying that Welling is this generation's Superman and Brandon Routh is too late. If Superman was a character made specifically for the medium of television, then maybe Brandon missed his chance...but he's way bigger than a show that not everyone watches, and a fair number of Superman fans happen to despise. I think the show is fine most times, but others it throws you the kind of pitch that makes you say "ok..what was that for?" And that is in part due to the fact that he plays Clark as if he has only three reactions to everything...which is another reason why I am eagerly anticipating a fresh face's approach to this character. I'm sure I'm going to love this movie, and I doubt I'll have to use the word of mouth I used to get my friends in to see Vendetta (which worked just fine, I got a lot of people to see that film who had no idea what it was about before-hand)...Come June, I'm sure we'll have some interesting stories to tell as well.

:supes:

[Milkman95]

Dude no joke just about anyone I have spoken to since they cast Routh in the movie has told me almost exactly the same thing!

Well, I've seen the exact opposite - they're sick of watching a freak of the week teeny bopper show that's just about Clark - they're ready for Superman.

Now should be somewhere near 30plus people which I have asked or spoken to about Superman in general, and the topic comes up.
I hang out with alot of comic geeks cus well im a comic geek myself, and nobody I know is even a little hyped about the movie.

They will be, once the new trailer and the marketing hits full swing - you won't be able to turn your head without seeing something about SR.

Most of the girls I know which have talked about this subject have said that they are not even going to watch the movie if Welling is not in it.
I honestly think that the WB missed a major chance here, Welling in the movie would have sold the movie more then Routh...

WB wants the best of both worlds - a successful TV show and film. Why cut SV short by releasing a SV film? Most of the general movie going public don't know who Welling is either, and having an unknown in the role increases curiosity and makes it more believable, at least for me.

Most people don't like the idea that Routh was cast only cause he sounds a little like Chris, and looks somewhat like him a little from certain angles...
Just about everyone says that they rather see a more modern Superman which is an all new take on the character, and Welling is their #1 choice...

Did you talk to Bryan to see what his reasons for casting him were? Do us a favor and educate yourself first by watching the Showest footage to see Bryan's reasons.

Like it's been said before... Tom Welling is this Generations SUPERMAN, and Brandon Routh might just have came by to late... For alot of people The Torch has been passed from Reeve to Welling... Lets hope Singer has not failed us...

No, Welling is this generations Clark Kent, and Brandon Routh will be this generation's new Superman.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Most of the general movie going public don't know who Welling is either,

I'd say more people know of him than you think.

[Mr. Thing]

Dude no joke just about anyone I have spoken to since they cast Routh in the movie has told me almost exactly the same thing!

Now should be somewhere near 30plus people which I have asked or spoken to about Superman in general, and the topic comes up.
I hang out with alot of comic geeks cus well im a comic geek myself, and nobody I know is even a little hyped about the movie.

Most of the girls I know which have talked about this subject have said that they are not even going to watch the movie if Welling is not in it.
I honestly think that the WB missed a major chance here, Welling in the movie would have sold the movie more then Routh...

Most people don't like the idea that Routh was cast only cause he sounds a little like Chris, and looks somewhat like him a little from certain angles...
Just about everyone says that they rather see a more modern Superman which is an all new take on the character, and Welling is their #1 choice...

Like it's been said before... Tom Welling is this Generations SUPERMAN, and Brandon Routh might just have came by to late... For alot of people The Torch has been passed from Reeve to Welling... Lets hope Singer has not failed us...

Yeah, maybe, but Welling did not want to play Superman.

[NateGray]

Dude no joke just about anyone I have spoken to since they cast Routh in the movie has told me almost exactly the same thing!

Now should be somewhere near 30plus people which I have asked or spoken to about Superman in general, and the topic comes up.
I hang out with alot of comic geeks cus well im a comic geek myself, and nobody I know is even a little hyped about the movie.

Most of the girls I know which have talked about this subject have said that they are not even going to watch the movie if Welling is not in it.
I honestly think that the WB missed a major chance here, Welling in the movie would have sold the movie more then Routh...

Most people don't like the idea that Routh was cast only cause he sounds a little like Chris, and looks somewhat like him a little from certain angles...
Just about everyone says that they rather see a more modern Superman which is an all new take on the character, and Welling is their #1 choice...

Like it's been said before... Tom Welling is this Generations SUPERMAN, and Brandon Routh might just have came by to late... For alot of people The Torch has been passed from Reeve to Welling... Lets hope Singer has not failed us...

Pretty much the same thing I get when I mention SR most people know Welling but when showed pictures of Routh most agree he looks the part good enough and they think he will be ok.
And yeh not one woman I have asked has said they plan on seeing it at all even in DVD just not they type of movie they go to see is the general response.
Now when I mention Lois and her child to even people who were positive about the movie they have mostly all but a couple said it was just a dumb idea to have lois have a child.
As for the action again most the people I talk to want more than just Lex in the movie or they want Lex in the power suit because they want a super heroic fight of titans.
I mentioned the other possibly cool stuff like the plane rescue they kinda shrugged it off as thats not really action you want in a superman movie.

[Milkman95]

I'd say more people know of him than you think.

From what, those huge hits Cheaper by the Dozen 1 & 2 and The Fog?

[NateGray]

From what, those huge hits Cheaper by the Dozen 1 & 2 and The Fog?

Or maybe from say a top rated TV show that has been on the past 5 years.....
I would hazard to say more people like SV than dislike it and his assesment that more people know Welling is right on because people who watch TV go to movies its not excliusive like you are trying to spin it they would be that general movie going public you mention.

[Milkman95]

Or maybe from say a top rated TV show that has been on the past 5 years.....
I would hazard to say more people like SV than dislike it and his assesment that more people know Welling is right on because people who watch TV go to movies its not excliusive like you are trying to spin it they would be that general movie going public you mention.

If I were to take a poll from general audiences, and asked them who Tom Welling is, my bet is half of them would probably know who he is. That isn't a bad thing mind you, It's just my opinion on the matter. The same thing happened with Christian Bale in BB - nobody really knew who he was either.........

[TheSuperBatFan]

I've had some mixed responses on the movie, but not because of Smallville, because I know a lot of people that aren't Superman fans. That being said, I have a friend. Pretty much hates Superman. Hates the costume, hates the character. A few months ago I showed him the trailers for X3 and Superman Returns. He is a fan of the X-Men, though he's not really a comic fan. After seeing the first trailer, he is already refusing to see the movie. On the other hand, after showing him the Superman Returns teaser, he had nothing but questions about the movie, and actually seemed fairly positive on it. That was all I needed to show me that when the public actually gets the full trailer, and the tv spots, and the full marketing campeign swings into gear, this movie will be huge.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

People are familiar with the show Smallville, regardless of whether or not they actually watch it or have even seen any of it. They may not know the name Welling, but they've probably seen the face around.

From what, those huge hits Cheaper by the Dozen 1 & 2 and The Fog?

Why, yes, now that you ask. Both Cheaper by the Dozen movies made over $200 million combined. Good call on noticing they were hits.

[Milkman95]

People are familiar with the show Smallville, regardless of whether or not they actually watch it or have even seen any of it. They may not know the name Welling, but they've probably seen the face around.

Well, that's not the question. The question is the name. Again, it was the same with Christian Bale - he'd be recongnizable, but if I said his name, a lot of people wouldn't know him before Batman Begins.........

Why, yes, now that you ask. Both Cheaper by the Dozen movies made over $200 million combined. Good call on noticing they were hits.

Yeah, they were modest hits but Tom had nothing to do with their success. I did enjoy both films though.......

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Milkman, it seems you're trying to argue on a semantics-like level and it makes you seem very biased and non-objective. I don't like Welling, Smallville, nor the idea of Welling being Superman. HOWEVER, I'm not going to let that blind me to the possibility that this movie could face difficulty with people either refusing to accept someone other than Welling as Superman or being very confused by it.

Whether it be his name, his face, or his blood type, more people know who the current incarnation of Superman/Clark Kent is in Welling than you're acknowledging. THAT is the question, not of knowing his name or whatever other way you're going to twist the argument.

And they were more than modest hits. Again, don't muddle fact just to support your very skewed viewpoint.

[Milkman95]

Milkman, it seems you're trying to argue on a semantics-like level and it makes you seem very biased and non-objective. I don't like Welling, Smallville, nor the idea of Welling being Superman. HOWEVER, I'm not going to let that blind me to the possibility that this movie could face difficulty with people either refusing to accept someone other than Welling as Superman or being very confused by it.

I have no problem with TW - in fact, I would have liked to have seen him in the role as well. What bothers me the most are the SV and TW fans that refuse to have an open mind about this production or BR, which has probably influenced me lately to have a negative view towards SV. Bottom line is I never had a favorite person to play the role - Caviezel, Welling, Routh, Bomer, or Cavill it doesn't matter. As long as that certain actor is good in the role. I think the difficulty you're talking about is a very small percentage in the overall scope of things.

Whether it be his name, his face, or his blood type, more people know who the current incarnation of Superman/Clark Kent is in Welling than you're acknowledging. THAT is the question, not of knowing his name or whatever other way you're going to twist the argument.

That is indeed the question - SV is a successful show, but from an overall standpoint, I think SR won't be affected too much because of SV.

And they were more than modest hits. Again, don't muddle fact just to support your very skewed viewpoint.

I'll give you the first film as being more than a modest hit. The second one was indeed just a modest hit at $82m domestic.

[JackMercy]

Yeah, maybe, but Welling did not want to play Superman.


Why does this "idea" persist?

It is simply not true.

But, believe what you want...

:cool:

[Mr. Thing]

It is simply not true.

:cool:

Er, he kinda said it himself in a interview.

[Sverdlovski]

Er, he kinda said it himself in a interview.

In various interviews...

[patrickbateman]

well i'm in india and they all thing that the new superman is tom welling cause smallville is big over here

[Nivek]

In various interviews...


Needless to say, he's been very vocal about it.

I dont know why some fans are Figuratively putting their fingers in their ears and scream "Nooo! It's not true! Stop lying!!".

enough already, just get over it, you still have him on that show....





... unless the movie is a huge hit, and it goes the way of Superboy and Lois and Clark...

[TheSuperBatFan]

Needless to say, he's been very vocal about it.

I dont know why some fans are Figuratively putting their fingers in their ears and scream "Nooo! It's not true! Stop lying!!".

enough already, just get over it, you still have him on that show....

... unless the movie is a huge hit, and it goes the way of Superboy and Lois and Clark...

Not a chance. Smallville has something that neither Superboy or Lois and Clark had. It's a Warner Brothers show on a Warner Brothers owned network. Superboy was a viacom show and a show where the Salkinds still owned the rights. It was killed prematurely when Warner Brothers got the rights back. Lois & Clark was pretty much killed by ABC as they kept changing it's time slot, ultimately leaving it on Saturday night. It was doing well enough to have survived to a 5th season had ABC left it alone. Smallville has an advantage that neither of the other shows had. It also has the advantage of the fact that Welling very likely won't be dying anytime soon, which is what prevented The Adventures of Superman continuing, pretty much ensuring that Smallville will win the title of longest running Superman show. Especially when Smallville is one of the WB's highest rated shows.

[The Sage]

Not a chance. Smallville has something that neither Superboy or Lois and Clark had. It's a Warner Brothers show on a Warner Brothers owned network. Superboy was a viacom show and a show where the Salkinds still owned the rights. It was killed prematurely when Warner Brothers got the rights back. Lois & Clark was pretty much killed by ABC as they kept changing it's time slot, ultimately leaving it on Saturday night. It was doing well enough to have survived to a 5th season had ABC left it alone. Smallville has an advantage that neither of the other shows had. It also has the advantage of the fact that Welling very likely won't be dying anytime soon, which is what prevented The Adventures of Superman continuing, pretty much ensuring that Smallville will win the title of longest running Superman show. Especially when Smallville is one of the WB's highest rated shows.

You speak the truth!:eek:

[AgentPat]

...Most of the general movie going public don't know who Welling is either, and having an unknown in the role increases curiosity and makes it more believable...I love irony. Bravo! :up: :D

I don't have too many stories to tell. I don't go around promoting the film, but if the subject comes up (I wear a Superman pendant, and sometimes people ask), I'll strike up a conversation. The last one was a few days ago in my local Starbucks, which I hit pretty much every day around lunch time. They were busy at the time, but I came to find out one of the male employees was a fellow Superman fan and was looking forward to seeing the film. His biggest complaint was about the suit. Nuf said there. The other attendant was a woman, and she had No. Idea. there was a Superman film coming out. She overheard our conversation, asked what in blazes we were talking about, we told her, and she - LITERALLY - rolled her eyes. I asked what that was for? Her reply? "Why?" Why what? "Why remake a film that was perfect the way it is?" It's like remaking Star Wars, she said. I was kinda shocked. Totally didn't expect THAT kind of response. She's in her 30's (ish) and not a Superman fan per se, but she mentioned Reeve by name. Yeah, I didn't see that coming either.

My sister in-law's fiancé is a comic reader and knows about SR, but he said he'd wait for the DVD. He's a Batman fan and doesn't care for "the boyscout."

My mom (66 years young) grew up reading comic books. She LOVES Reeve - seen all his films, and LOVES the fact SR is using Brando. She's ecstatic over that, in fact. There is no doubt in my mind she will see SR in the theater at some point, though she waits for films to hit her dollar matinee. Hey, she's a senior citizen and money is tight. Anyhoo... she's very disappointed over one thing. (I must remind folks that she's 66.) She's also a big SV fan. When she saw the SR trailer during Solitude, her only complaint was that it wasn't the "real Superman." Her words, not mine.

Obviously, if people have never seen SV, they aint gonna know the difference. Some people might even *assume* it's the same actor(s) in the film if they've never seen the show. The only people that it might really matter to are folks who are big fans of the show and have a vested appreciation for the show's actors as much as they do their characters. How tall will that hill of beans actually be come June? Pffft. Damn the hell if I know. I am looking forward to finding out though.

I will add one more thing in passing, even though I know it's a point most fanboys on this and other message boards like to ignore. "Eye candy" is more than just awesome visual effects. Women make up half of the potential audience for any film. Christopher Reeve was a stunningly attractive man, and he is w/o a doubt, the MAIN reason I saw S:TM in the theater three times when I was a teen. I'm 41 y.o. now, and while I consider myself a Superman fan, Welling is w/o a doubt, the MAIN reason I continue to watch SV. Y'all didn't think the female demo watched SV for the Krypto freaks and teen angst angle, didjas? Am I generalizing? Yeah. There was at least one woman on the SV boards who watched the show for Schneider. She's gone now though. Big surprise there. LOL ;)

Anyway, I've seen a lot of magazine's referring to SR's new "hunky" Superman - the cod piece articles were a trip - but I don't see too many women oohing and ahhing over BR, either on line, or IRL. The most folks seem to comment on is that he looks like Reeve in some photos, but it's not in a swooning kind of way. Mock these points all you want, but then imagine a young Cloris Leachman cast as Wonder Woman. Cya's on opening day. :p

[true316]

Anyway, I've seen a lot of magazine's referring to SR's new "hunky" Superman - the cod piece articles were a trip - but I don't see too many women oohing and ahhing over BR, either on line, or IRL. The most folks seem to comment on is that he looks like Reeve in some photos, but it's not in a swooning kind of way. Mock these points all you want, but then imagine a young Cloris Leachman cast as Wonder Woman. Cya's on opening day. :p

Yeah I feel bad for poor Brandon Routh. No girls like him. :p

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=88&pos=7

[AgentPat]

Yeah I feel bad for poor Brandon Routh. No girls like him. :p

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=88&pos=7I said that I didn't see too many, not that there weren't any at all. And I would HOPE there would be a nice fan contingent - both male and female - on his own fansite. Hello?

But I'm not gonna harp on it. Counter arguments are easily made since the film isn't even out yet, and nobody is gonna care what a "biased" SV fan's opinion on BR is anyway - especially a woman's. LOL I'm used to it. S'kay. ;)

Three months and counting. :up:

[Sverdlovski]

After finding out that there are some women that think Daniel Craig is very handsome, I don't doubt anything at all anymore. ANYTHING. AT. ALL. :D

[The Sage]

After finding out that there are some women that think Daniel Craig is very handsome, I don't doubt anything at all anymore. ANYTHING. AT. ALL. :D

You need to say this as often as possible.

[The Sage]

Anyway, I've seen a lot of magazine's referring to SR's new "hunky" Superman - the cod piece articles were a trip - but I don't see too many women oohing and ahhing over BR, either on line, or IRL. The most folks seem to comment on is that he looks like Reeve in some photos, but it's not in a swooning kind of way. Mock these points all you want, but then imagine a young Cloris Leachman cast as Wonder Woman. Cya's on opening day. :p

Not worry about that. Other than the comment about women finding Daniel Craig very handsome, I also found out not all women are swooning over Christian Bale. There was this girl that with my friends when I saw Batman Begins at the IMAX, and she didn't like Bale. She thought Keaton was more handsome.

So anything's possible.

[KrypJonian]

Or maybe from say a top rated TV show that has been on the past 5 years.....
I would hazard to say more people like SV than dislike it and his assesment that more people know Welling is right on because people who watch TV go to movies its not excliusive like you are trying to spin it they would be that general movie going public you mention.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

[KrypJonian]

... unless the movie is a huge hit, and it goes the way of Superboy and Lois and Clark...

Why shouldn't it? It went the way of Buffy in it's first two seasons....

Far as I'm concerned, it already has gone the way of SB and L&C

[KaptainKrypton]

Every person I know who's seen and commented on the trailer (out of eight total) was very impressed and asked how jazzed I was, with the exception being my best friend and my cousin. My best friend is a picky ex-fanboy from way back (he "grew up" and gave me all his comics five years ago...sucker!), so I wasn't surprised as he didn't like the original Superman movies, either (come to think of it that little dweeb doesn't really like anything except RPGs). My younger cousin is one of those trendy MySpace kids who pretty much makes fun of everything (including my Superman desktop backgrounds:mad: ). The remaining people I talked to about it (or told about it) are my co-workers (keep in mind I work at a fitness center so these people are definitely the boring general public type). The first thing two of them asked revolved around who the villain was going to be and also who was to play him. When I responded "Lex Luthor/Kevin Spacey" their reactions were both an uplifting "Really?" Needless to say, some of them hadn't heard about it before and one of my co-workers pokes fun at me for liking Superman and having an "S" tattoo because he dislikes Smallville (as he actually coined the term "Suckville" which I use from time to time), so he might be biased (I also think he's proabably a closet Marvel-lover), but even he was impressed. Overall, everyone seemed to be optimistic. One of my employees that I didn't even talk with initially saw the trailer and came up to me excited about it because he saw it attached to HP and knew I'm such a turbo-nerd.

[Milkman95]

I love irony. Bravo! :up: :D

The issue was simply if Welling was known or not, that's all.

I don't have too many stories to tell. I don't go around promoting the film, but if the subject comes up (I wear a Superman pendant, and sometimes people ask), I'll strike up a conversation. The last one was a few days ago in my local Starbucks, which I hit pretty much every day around lunch time. They were busy at the time, but I came to find out one of the male employees was a fellow Superman fan and was looking forward to seeing the film. His biggest complaint was about the suit. Nuf said there. The other attendant was a woman, and she had No. Idea. there was a Superman film coming out. She overheard our conversation, asked what in blazes we were talking about, we told her, and she - LITERALLY - rolled her eyes. I asked what that was for? Her reply? "Why?" Why what? "Why remake a film that was perfect the way it is?" It's like remaking Star Wars, she said. I was kinda shocked. Totally didn't expect THAT kind of response. She's in her 30's (ish) and not a Superman fan per se, but she mentioned Reeve by name. Yeah, I didn't see that coming either.

Everybody said the same thing about Batman Begins. What? Another Batman film? I don't like the suit, who's Christian Bale, etc, etc. No worries. Like I said, once that jaw dropping trailer is released as well as the marketing campaign launched with the recognizable Williams theme, it will explode more than likely.

My sister in-law's fiancé is a comic reader and knows about SR, but he said he'd wait for the DVD. He's a Batman fan and doesn't care for "the boyscout."

Yeah, I like Batman better as well, but I'm not that ridiculous when it comes to other properties - I see them all, Marvel, DC, or otherwise.

My mom (66 years young) grew up reading comic books. She LOVES Reeve - seen all his films, and LOVES the fact SR is using Brando. She's ecstatic over that, in fact. There is no doubt in my mind she will see SR in the theater at some point, though she waits for films to hit her dollar matinee. Hey, she's a senior citizen and money is tight. Anyhoo... she's very disappointed over one thing. (I must remind folks that she's 66.) She's also a big SV fan. When she saw the SR trailer during Solitude, her only complaint was that it wasn't the "real Superman." Her words, not mine.

Too bad Welling isn't Superman technically. Don't waste your time spitting out all your personal reasons why he's your Superman - it doesn't matter. Facts are facts. It's great your Mom is into SV and the Reeve films - good stuff............

Obviously, if people have never seen SV, they aint gonna know the difference. Some people might even *assume* it's the same actor(s) in the film if they've never seen the show. The only people that it might really matter to are folks who are big fans of the show and have a vested appreciation for the show's actors as much as they do their characters. How tall will that hill of beans actually be come June? Pffft. Damn the hell if I know. I am looking forward to finding out though.

I will add one more thing in passing, even though I know it's a point most fanboys on this and other message boards like to ignore. "Eye candy" is more than just awesome visual effects. Women make up half of the potential audience for any film. Christopher Reeve was a stunningly attractive man, and he is w/o a doubt, the MAIN reason I saw S:TM in the theater three times when I was a teen. I'm 41 y.o. now, and while I consider myself a Superman fan, Welling is w/o a doubt, the MAIN reason I continue to watch SV. Y'all didn't think the female demo watched SV for the Krypto freaks and teen angst angle, didjas? Am I generalizing? Yeah. There was at least one woman on the SV boards who watched the show for Schneider. She's gone now though. Big surprise there. LOL ;)

True and pretty shallow at the same time - one of these reasons is why I go to the SV forums - entertainment. To each their own, have fun.

Anyway, I've seen a lot of magazine's referring to SR's new "hunky" Superman - the cod piece articles were a trip - but I don't see too many women oohing and ahhing over BR, either on line, or IRL. The most folks seem to comment on is that he looks like Reeve in some photos, but it's not in a swooning kind of way. Mock these points all you want, but then imagine a young Cloris Leachman cast as Wonder Woman. Cya's on opening day. :p

Wait until AFTER the film is released. I'm sure Brandon will do fine. As far as your Wonder Woman analogy, you went too far, but I get what you're saying, I just don't think it plays that big of a part like you do.......

[NateGray]

Why shouldn't it? It went the way of Buffy in it's first two seasons....

Far as I'm concerned, it already has gone the way of SB and L&C

Yeh keep telling yourself that....

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

you are very funny with your rabid fanboism and totaly devoid of reality don't get out into that real world much huh........

[true316]

I said that I didn't see too many, not that there weren't any at all. And I would HOPE there would be a nice fan contingent - both male and female - on his own fansite. Hello?

But I'm not gonna harp on it. Counter arguments are easily made since the film isn't even out yet, and nobody is gonna care what a "biased" SV fan's opinion on BR is anyway - especially a woman's. LOL I'm used to it. S'kay. ;)

Three months and counting. :up:

Don't worry Pat. I don't think your opinions are invalid because you're a woman. The same thing you described happens to my girlfriend when it comes to sports.

If television sitcoms have taught me anything, its that women are usually right and guys are usually idiots. :p :up:

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Any more stories of telling the public about Superman Returns? I didn't want this to turn into how popular Welling is or other such nonsense some people can't stop regurgitating.

[DogofKrypton]

For me, I honestly have only received negative responses to SR. At my office, I have shown people I thought might have even the slightest interest pictures of Brandon Routh in costume and as Clark. To say they were not impressed is an understatement. I have actually had quite a few laugh out loud. There were some Christopher Reeve-vibe's that some got, but even they were less than impressed.

My sister has stated she will NOT see the movie under any circumstances. Her son, my nephew, I have turned in to a HUGE Superman fan at the ripe age of 2. When he is not Superman, he is Clark Kent. He hums the Superman theme and can't get enough of the character. Come June, she told me I can take him to see it, but she will not be going even though I told her I wanted to take her and all of her kids. My treat. She feels it is disrespectful to the memory of Christopher Reeve to try to continue on what he started, with someone she feels is far inferior. And she did say it would be different if the (to some on here) infamous Mr. Welling was playing him. And she isn't even a Superman fan.

[AgentPat]

After finding out that there are some women that think Daniel Craig is very handsome, I don't doubt anything at all anymore. ANYTHING. AT. ALL.He's not bad looking. I don't particularly see "James Bond" in him, but he's a nice looking man. Nice bod. I'll probably see the film when it opens. :up:

Next?

...I also found out not all women are swooning over Christian Bale. There was this girl that with my friends when I saw Batman Begins at the IMAX, and she didn't like Bale. She thought Keaton was more handsome...Well, beauty IS in the eye of the beholder, after all. That said, Bale had the most fan sites on the Internet at one time. He was quite the heartthrob starting as far back as his Empire of the Sun days when he was just a kid. It kind of grew from there. He's picked a lot of independent films with extremely varied characters and built up his range, so he's not as "known" as other actors. I think he lost a few roles to DiCaprio. Dumb luck. Regardless, I had the pleasure of talking to Wimmer on several occasions right after EQ unspooled. Kurt couldn't say enough about Bale, both in looks and talent. As a fan, those were nice warm and fuzzy conversations.

Aaaaanyhoo...

Everybody said the same thing about Batman Begins. What? Another Batman film? I don't like the suit, who's Christian Bale, etc, etc. No worries.Me? Worried? You're kidding, right? :p

As to similarities with BB, eh. The film made about $205M domestic. Not too shabby for a pic that cost $135M.

Like I said, once that jaw dropping trailer is released as well as the marketing campaign launched with the recognizable Williams theme, it will explode more than likely.Okay. :)

Yeah, I like Batman better as well, but I'm not that ridiculous when it comes to other properties - I see them all, Marvel, DC, or otherwise.No big surprise there. That's why you post on boards like this, right? I mean, no offense or anything, but we're at the extreme of the fandom, wouldn't you agree? We represent a tiny percentage of the overall audience for any comic book film - or TV show.

Too bad Welling isn't Superman technically. Don't waste your time spitting out all your personal reasons why he's your Superman - it doesn't matter. Facts are facts.No doubt, because posting anything in rebuttal along those lines IS wasting my time here, so I'll take your advice.

It's great your Mom is into SV and the Reeve films - good stuffYou'd like her. She's quite the spit fire when it comes to sci-fi and fantasy films.

True and pretty shallow at the same time - one of these reasons is why I go to the SV forums - entertainment. To each their own, have fun.Hey, now that you mention it, I forgot to thank you for that awesome .gif you posted there of Lois pushing up her boobs. I imagine it went over well here too.

...I just don't think it plays that big of a part like you do.What? Physical appearance? Celebrity attractiveness and Hollywood? The entertainment business in general?

Wait! How's that line go? "Hilarious!"

OMG. I think I just cracked a rib. :(

Don't worry Pat. I don't think your opinions are invalid because you're a woman. The same thing you described happens to my girlfriend when it comes to sports.Hey! I like sports too! :mad: ;)

If television sitcoms have taught me anything, its that women are usually right and guys are usually idiots.Marry me! :p

J/K. My husband might have something to say about that.

...She feels it is disrespectful to the memory of Christopher Reeve to try to continue on what he started, with someone she feels is far inferior. And she did say it would be different if the (to some on here) infamous Mr. Welling was playing him. And she isn't even a Superman fan.Interesting.

[Milkman95]

He's not bad looking. I don't particularly see "James Bond" in him, but he's a nice looking man. Nice bod. I'll probably see the film when it opens. :up:

Next?

Well, beauty IS in the eye of the beholder, after all. That said, Bale had the most fan sites on the Internet at one time. He was quite the heartthrob starting as far back as his Empire of the Sun days when he was just a kid. It kind of grew from there. He's picked a lot of independent films with extremely varied characters and built up his range, so he's not as "known" as other actors. I think he lost a few roles to DiCaprio. Dumb luck. Regardless, I had the pleasure of talking to Wimmer on several occasions right after EQ unspooled. Kurt couldn't say enough about Bale, both in looks and talent. As a fan, those were nice warm and fuzzy conversations.

Aaaaanyhoo...

Me? Worried? You're kidding, right? :p

As to similarities with BB, eh. The film made about $205M domestic. Not too shabby for a pic that cost $135M.

Okay. :)

No big surprise there. That's why you post on boards like this, right? I mean, no offense or anything, but we're at the extreme of the fandom, wouldn't you agree? We represent a tiny percentage of the overall audience for any comic book film - or TV show.

No doubt, because posting anything in rebuttal along those lines IS wasting my time here, so I'll take your advice.

You'd like her. She's quite the spit fire when it comes to sci-fi and fantasy films.

Hey, now that you mention it, I forgot to thank you for that awesome .gif you posted there of Lois pushing up her boobs. I imagine it went over well here too.

What? Physical appearance? Celebrity attractiveness and Hollywood? The entertainment business in general?

Wait! How's that line go? "Hilarious!"

OMG. I think I just cracked a rib. :(

Hey! I like sports too! :mad: ;)

Marry me! :p

J/K. My husband might have something to say about that.

Interesting.

I figured you'd like the Durance one (even though I didn't post it originally), that makes us even with the one you posted a link to of Tom. Yeah, I agree, looks are important in Hollywood, but they're NOT the most important thing, that's all I meant by my comment.

I already know your reasons why TW is your Superman, that's why I said no need to explain it again - I don't care if it's here or at the SV boards.

Interesting? More like laughable.

[AgentPat]

I figured you'd like the Durance one (even though I didn't post it originally), that makes us even with the one you posted a link to of Tom.I didn't know it was a contest. :confused:

Yeah, I agree, looks are important in Hollywood, but they're NOT the most important thing, that's all I meant by my comment.I'm starting to feel like Tony now. LOL How did you get "looks are the most important thing" out of my post up there? Just wondering.

I already know your reasons why TW is your Superman, that's why I said no need to explain it again - I don't care if it's here or at the SV boards.You make a lot of assumptions. FYI, I had no intention of going off into TW la la land in this forum.

A. There's a better place for that, and I know where that is.
B. It's completely off topic for this thread.
C. There's plenty of other people that bring up TW here. They don't need me to add opinions I've already stated countless times.

Interesting? More like laughable.You're entitled to your opinion. But it's one less butt in a seat for a reason I've heard stated more than once, and not just on an Internet message board. I don't think Warners would find it laughable, but what do I know?

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[DogofKrypton]

Interesting? More like laughable.

Watch yourself. My sister's opinion for not wanting to see the movie is not "laughable". I do believe the person started the thread for people to share their stories about "spreading the word" about SR. Not for validation from someone as childish as you.

Not everyone has to be as ignorant as you seem to be about quite a lot of things.

[Milkman95]

Watch yourself. My sister's opinion for not wanting to see the movie is not "laughable". I do believe the person started the thread for people to share their stories about "spreading the word" about SR. Not for validation from someone as childish as you.

Not everyone has to be as ignorant as you seem to be about quite a lot of things.

Quite a lot of things? Ignorant? Should have known the name calling would start. Now that's childish............

Hey, if I think your sister's opinion is laughable, that doesn't mean it's automatically childish or ignorant. I think it's childish to have such a closed mind and assume that the film is going to stomp all over Christopher Reeve's grave.

I take the film as a tribute, not an insult to what Chris accomplished with the character.

[DogofKrypton]

Quite a lot of things? Ignorant? Should have known the name calling would start. Now that's childish............

Hey, if I think your sister's opinion is laughable, that doesn't mean it's automatically childish or ignorant. I think it's childish to have such a closed mind and assume that the film is going to stomp all over Christopher Reeve's grave.

I take the film as a tribute, not an insult to what Chris accomplished with the character.

Threw up the shields pretty quick there, hey kid?

Let me educate you on something: Saying someone's opinion is "laughable" because your opinion is different IS ignorant.

Say you don't agree with it, and I wouldn't mind. When you take shots at my family, I will not sit by and let it go.

[Milkman95]

Threw up the shields pretty quick there, hey kid?

Let me educate you on something: Saying someone's opinion is "laughable" because your opinion is different IS ignorant.

Say you don't agree with it, and I wouldn't mind. When you take shots at my family, I will not sit by and let it go.

Nah, no shields - I'm very easy going and fun most of the time, no need to put them up until I get insulted personally, which you ended up doing.

As far as laughable is concerned, sure, I should have worded it better, and for that, I apologize. How about I don't agree with it and I find it close-minded, which means she's making up her mind before she see's a single frame of the film.............

[Milkman95]

I didn't know it was a contest. :confused:

It's not, just having fun is all. Ever heard of it?

I'm starting to feel like Tony now. LOL How did you get "looks are the most important thing" out of my post up there? Just wondering.

From several of your comments, not just this recent one.

You make a lot of assumptions. FYI, I had no intention of going off into TW la la land in this forum.

A. There's a better place for that, and I know where that is.
B. It's completely off topic for this thread.
C. There's plenty of other people that bring up TW here. They don't need me to add opinions I've already stated countless times.

Agreed.

You're entitled to your opinion. But it's one less butt in a seat for a reason I've heard stated more than once, and not just on an Internet message board. I don't think Warners would find it laughable, but what do I know?

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/shrug.gif

Well, the general public makes up the largest audience, correct? It's all up to them whether or not the film is successful or not.........

[AgentPat]

It's not, just having fun is all. Ever heard of it?Ah! Well throw in a winky next time. :mad: ;)

From several of your comments, not just this recent one.Hmm. Well, let me clear up the confusion. IMHO, appearance isn't the most important thing, but it can make a difference, especially in a summer popcorn film. (Note: that's not a slam.)

Well, the general public makes up the largest audience, correct? It's all up to them whether or not the film is successful or not.........Bingo. That's why I find comments from the general public interesting. In the example above, we were told a story of somebody who has already made up her mind to not see SR (for whatever reason), but further suggested a situation where her opinion might be different given an alternate scenario. Yeah. Indeed. I found it interesting. YMMV.

Anyway, I'm procrastinating my work out, and the night's not getting any younger. I'm down the road. Always a pleasure Milkman. :)

[Sverdlovski]

He's not bad looking. I don't particularly see "James Bond" in him, but he's a nice looking man. Nice bod. I'll probably see the film when it opens. :up:



Damn, another one. :( :p

[The Sage]

Watch yourself. My sister's opinion for not wanting to see the movie is not "laughable". I do believe the person started the thread for people to share their stories about "spreading the word" about SR. Not for validation from someone as childish as you.

Not everyone has to be as ignorant as you seem to be about quite a lot of things.

Your sister's opinion is interesting, and I won't trash it or anything. What I find fascinating is that she thinks this movie is a show of disrespect to Reeve's movies because of its links to it. Thing is, Richard Donner, godfather of superhero movies, director of Superman the Movie and the man who cast Reeve as Superman, approved of the decision and gave the crew his blessing.

So I really can't see it as disrespect when the original director gives the nod.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Damn, another one. :( :p

That's Wellingnite's for you

[skruloos]

So I really can't see it as disrespect when the original director gives the nod.
And Reeve's wife giving it the nod really doesn't make it seem disrespectful at all. But to each his own.

[Sverdlovski]

That's Wellingnite's for you

No, I'm talking about another woman that says Daniel Craig is not bad looking... :( :D

[Sverdlovski]

And Reeve's wife giving it the nod really doesn't make it seem disrespectful at all. But to each his own.

And his mother.

[explode7]

Did anyone besides me saw the SR feature on Starz The Hollywood Reporter last night? They also showed the Sho West thing as well.

[DogofKrypton]

Your sister's opinion is interesting, and I won't trash it or anything. What I find fascinating is that she thinks this movie is a show of disrespect to Reeve's movies because of its links to it. Thing is, Richard Donner, godfather of superhero movies, director of Superman the Movie and the man who cast Reeve as Superman, approved of the decision and gave the crew his blessing.

So I really can't see it as disrespect when the original director gives the nod.

Milkman, feel she is close-minded if you want. Here's the thing: She's entitled to her opinion JUST AS MUCH AS YOU ARE.

And I will repeat what I said earlier for all the posts that have followed: This thread is for people to post their stories of spreading the word about SR, NOT to have said stories justified or ridiculed by you who have not posted your own. Anything else should be considered trolling, and rightfully so.

[KaptainKrypton]

And his mother.
Wife, too.

[Sverdlovski]

Wife, too.

Skruloos already said that... :)

[skruloos]

Wife, too.
Did someone hear an echo?

[Milkman95]

Milkman, feel she is close-minded if you want. Here's the thing: She's entitled to her opinion JUST AS MUCH AS YOU ARE.

Of course she's entitled to it, even though I don't understand her reasoning behind it.

And I will repeat what I said earlier for all the posts that have followed: This thread is for people to post their stories of spreading the word about SR, NOT to have said stories justified or ridiculed by you who have not posted your own. Anything else should be considered trolling, and rightfully so.

Yes it is, but most people like to hear a better reason behind that opinion, but oh well, to each their own. Hopefully your sister might change her mind after seeing more footage and seeing what Richard Donner has to say........

[King Krypton]

Needless to say, he's been very vocal about it.

I dont know why some fans are Figuratively putting their fingers in their ears and scream "Nooo! It's not true! Stop lying!!".

enough already, just get over it, you still have him on that show....

I don't think it matters. Welling could scream from the highest rooftop in the world over satellite TV that he doesn't want to be Superman, and his fans will STILL be in total denial. They want what they want and that's that. If it means disregarding his wishes and pretending he either didn't
say it or he didn't mean what he said, they'll disregard it.

It means nothing at this point. The incessant bashing of Routh has already become a gigantic obstacle, and the bad buzz on this movie (for reasons I can't fathom, seeing as far worse stuff has been getting a free pass of late) has completely worn my enthusiasm for this movie down to a crawl. If this generation really wants its Superman to be a selfish, jealous brat who sacrifices an innocent life (which happens to be his father) to resurrect his dead girlfriend and turns Luthor into his enemy because he's jealous of Lex getting with said resurrected girlfriend, so be it. I don't care anymore. I'll just stick to the old stuff from now on if that's how it's gonna be.

I do, however, hope Routh gets a more rewarding gig after this. The garbage he's had to put up with on this movie just because he's not Welling is more than any human being should go thru.

[Milkman95]

Ah! Well throw in a winky next time. :mad: ;)

Oops, sorry about that........:)

Hmm. Well, let me clear up the confusion. IMHO, appearance isn't the most important thing, but it can make a difference, especially in a summer popcorn film. (Note: that's not a slam.)

Understood. It does make a difference, especially if it's not a good film or it's a lesser known comic book property.

Bingo. That's why I find comments from the general public interesting. In the example above, we were told a story of somebody who has already made up her mind to not see SR (for whatever reason), but further suggested a situation where her opinion might be different given an alternate scenario. Yeah. Indeed. I found it interesting. YMMV.

I think most of the general public will just say "It's a new Superman film, we haven't seen him in a while, let's check it out", but I could be wrong.......

Anyway, I'm procrastinating my work out, and the night's not getting any younger. I'm down the road. Always a pleasure Milkman. :)

I went this morning before work - trying something new............

Yes it is, I enjoy your viewpoints - very good as always.......:up:

[Milkman95]

I don't think it matters. Welling could scream from the highest rooftop in the world over satellite TV that he doesn't want to be Superman, and his fans will STILL be in total denial. They want what they want and that's that. If it means disregarding his wishes and pretending he either didn't
say it or he didn't mean what he said, they'll disregard it.

It means nothing at this point. The incessant bashing of Routh has already become a gigantic obstacle, and the bad buzz on this movie (for reasons I can't fathom, seeing as far worse stuff has been getting a free pass of late) has completely worn my enthusiasm for this movie down to a crawl. If this generation really wants its Superman to be a selfish, jealous brat who sacrifices an innocent life (which happens to be his father) to resurrect his dead girlfriend and turns Luthor into his enemy because he's jealous of Lex getting with said resurrected girlfriend, so be it. I don't care anymore. I'll just stick to the old stuff from now on if that's how it's gonna be.

I do, however, hope Routh gets a more rewarding gig after this. The garbage he's had to put up with on this movie just because he's not Welling is more than any human being should go thru.

A little harsh on Smallville, but your views on Routh are dead-on. I for one hope he proves everyone wrong and knocks it out of the park, just like Reeve did back in the day............after all, Singer is doing what he's doing for a living for some reason or another.........

[Scooter]

I don't know if the "bad buzz" surrounding Routh is all that bad. I mean, apart from the intense and often unwavering scrutiny imparted by internet message boards, I haven't seen or heard much about this film, negative or positive.

But then again, maybe that's just me.

[batman44]

I've talked to this guy at my church about it, and he seems pretty positive about, especially after showing him the picture of Supeman holding the DP globe.

My brother like what he's seen besides Lois with a kid.

My cousin from Arkansas doesn't know too much about it, but he likes how Routh looks.

My mom is just happy a new Superman film is coming out--really I think she's more happy for me.

[explode7]

Sounds like a pretty happy family.

[AgentPat]

Damn, another one. :( :pLOL! To be honest, I haven't been following all the hoopla with the casting on the latest Bond film. MJZ posted a pic of Craig over in the SV forum a week or so ago. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't have even known what Craig looked like. Kind of funny, actually. I think with Bond, there's less of a perceived notion of what he should look like than say Superman, if only because there were more actors in the past fifty years or so to play him on film. But that opinion is coming from somebody who honestly could care less who was cast as the character. I'd imagine there are many people who have the same opinion on the Superman casting as well, though Reeve does apparently loom in people's heads.

That said, Craig is "okay," but he doesn't scream James Bond to me. He's also not *nearly* as good looking as other actors that have played the character in their prime, IMHO. For example, I first saw Timothy Dalton in Flash Gordon and man, now HE was hot. LOL

No, I'm talking about another woman that says Daniel Craig is not bad looking... :( :DThanks for the correction, Sverd. Seems like there's been an epidemic of foot-in-mouth disease lately. What's up with that? :rolleyes:

Yes it is, but most people like to hear a better reason behind that opinion, but oh well, to each their own.See, the "problem" here (if you can call it that) is the likelihood that this particular person's opinion is a product of a gut feeling. It's connected on an emotional level. Men often have a hard time understanding this about women. (I'm not being flip.) She could "explain" her reasoning till the cows came home and I guarantee, most of the guys here would try to offer all these logical rebuttals for why she's "wrong" in thinking the way she does, but it's not gonna change her mind, nor should it. It's not rocket science. It's entertainment. I found her comments interesting not necessarily because I'm in agreement, but because I understand where she's coming from in the thought process.

Hopefully your sister might change her mind after seeing more footage and seeing what Richard Donner has to say........If there's something under the surface that crinkles her nose about this particular film, the best trailer in the world isn't necessarily gonna magically change her mind. Nor would the comments of the cast and crew. It's why I don't bother arguing with people when they say SV disrespects the mythos. Hey, to each their own. DogofKrypton's sister falls into the same category.

I think most of the general public will just say "It's a new Superman film, we haven't seen him in a while, let's check it out", but I could be wrong.......No, I think you're right on there. In fact, I'd put money on it. I think most fans will be interested to see the effects and the epic qualities that routinely define such an event film. But in order to be the box office extravaganza Warner's is hoping for, the film has to attract people on the fringe - fair weather theater goers that make their decisions on seeing a film based on the prevailing buzz. The film also needs to garner repeat customers.

I went this morning before work - trying something newI'm kind of a nut - get up early and do abs and aerobics, and then hit the weights at night. Hubby says I'm obsessed. Well... yeah. I suppose. That could apply to a lot of things though. LOL

Back on topic...

Here's one ringing endorsement for folks: the guys at the comic book store I frequent (Wakefield, MA) have had that first pic of Routh in the suit up on their computer's wallpaper since it was released a year ago. Jeeze! I get board with my wallpaper after a month or so and have to rotate 'em out with another picture - even the ones of Welling. LOL ;)

[Sverdlovski]

LOL! To be honest, I haven't been following all the hoopla with the casting on the latest Bond film. MJZ posted a pic of Craig over in the SV forum a week or so ago. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't have even known what Craig looked like. Kind of funny, actually. I think with Bond, there's less of a perceived notion of what he should look like than say Superman, if only because there were more actors in the past fifty years or so to play him on film. But that opinion is coming from somebody who honestly could care less who was cast as the character. I'd imagine there are many people who have the same opinion on the Superman casting as well, though Reeve does apparently loom in people's heads.

That said, Craig is "okay," but he doesn't scream James Bond to me. He's also not *nearly* as good looking as other actors that have played the character in their prime, IMHO. For example, I first saw Timothy Dalton in Flash Gordon and man, now HE was hot. LOL


Oh, that's better. :up: :p :D

[BareKnucklez]

Well, I've seen the exact opposite - they're sick of watching a freak of the week teeny bopper show that's just about Clark - they're ready for Superman. lol im sure you have, we all have our storys my friend...


They will be, once the new trailer and the marketing hits full swing - you won't be able to turn your head without seeing something about SR. We will see... I hope for the best myself... :up:


WB wants the best of both worlds - a successful TV show and film. Why cut SV short by releasing a SV film? Most of the general movie going public don't know who Welling is either, and having an unknown in the role increases curiosity and makes it more believable, at least for me. well for starters the WB is going to upset a big chunk of the public who loves Welling, and see's him as Superman already!
Those who don't know of him yet dont matter because like Routh he will be an unknown to them to in the role.. So it has the same effect on those people.. With Welling you get the best of both worlds.
With Routh they piss one section of the fanbase off, and they go a total diffrent direction then logic would say they should go.
I have always felt that there should never ever be 2 active human actors playing the same role at the same time... It cheapens the feel of that character... Notice how the WB killed any ideas of the Bruce Wayne show or even him on Smallville once BATMAN BEGINS got Greenlite????

There is a reason for this... With Superman they rushed it because they wanted their biggest character to compete with Spiderman, and they got a director who has had back to back hit movies, and as it turns out they were both Superhero movies so they went with plan B... I hope for the best but honestly they should have ended Smallville, and then make a SUPERMAN movie with the main cast needed... That was the right way to go...

Did you talk to Bryan to see what his reasons for casting him were? Do us a favor and educate yourself first by watching the Showest footage to see Bryan's reasons. No I have not but why else would he have cast him? Brandon said it himself that if he didnt look or sound a little like Chris that he wouldn't even have an acting career... Sorry even he's said it.


No, Welling is this generations Clark Kent, and Brandon Routh will be this generation's new Superman. Clark Kent is KAL EL, and KAL EL is SUPERMAN...
He doesn't have the suit yet but he will, and then since he was here first he will still be the SUPERMAN of this generation... Most people already see him simply as "Superman" even SHAQ who met him at some show introduced him to his kids as "Superman."
Not as "Tom Welling" or "The guy from Smallville" or "that Clark Kent guy" no he called him "Superman."
That's how a majority of the public see's him.. Even people I have spoken to about the movie who don't EVER watch the show know him as "That New Superman guy."

Like I said I hope for the best... :)

[Milkman95]

^Fair enough, I get some of your points.......

[GothicPowerMix1]

Clark Kent is KAL EL, and KAL EL is SUPERMAN...
He doesn't have the suit yet but he will, and then since he was here first he will still be the SUPERMAN of this generation... Most people already see him simply as "Superman" even SHAQ who met him at some show introduced him to his kids as "Superman."
Not as "Tom Welling" or "The guy from Smallville" or "that Clark Kent guy" no he called him "Superman."
That's how a majority of the public see's him.. Even people I have spoken to about the movie who don't EVER watch the show know him as "That New Superman guy.

ALL OPINION about Tom Welling's Clark Kent being Superman. Heck Tom Welling does not say he is Superman. Which is why he accepted the role. Because he is NOT Superman. But like I said it is all peoples Opinion here. Tom Welling himself KNOWS that he is NOT Superman (yet) If this Show was about Superman (which it is not) & Clark Kent was in the Suit Tom Welling would have NEVER accepted this role. He accepted it because it is NOT about Superman & that it was different. Tom Welling knows he is not Superman why can't you guys accept it. If Smallville was a full on Superman Show with the Suit Tom Welling would have NEVER accepted the offer. Tom Welling is NOT Superman (yet) he knows it you guys don. But like I said it is all opinion but does not make it fact when fact is he is NOT Superman (yet)

Tom Welling REJECTED the Smallville Offer TWICE before accepting it because Tom Welling did NOT (keyword) NOT want to wear the Superman Suit. He thought it would be another Lois & Clark type Show & that was before he found out it was something ENTIRELY Different & that he was NOT being Superman

[Max]

Tom Welling REJECTED the Smallville Offer TWICE before accepting it because Tom Welling did NOT (keyword) NOT want to wear the Superman Suit. He thought it would be another Lois & Clark type Show & that was before he found out it was something ENTIRELY Different & that he was NOT being Superman

God,these arguments are getting old!!!! He never said he didn't want to wear the suit! He said he didn't want to play the Superhero aspect of Superman AT THAT TIME. Welling wanted the role of pre-Superman because there is essentially nothing on paper regarding Clark Kent's childhood and adolescence, which means that it's a clean sheet of paper for him, as an actor, to grow with and build upon. He can add to the story and mythology without any of the baggage that the SUPERMAN lore would bring. If he wears the suit, then he instantly is the Superman hero and has to play him as that hero, ala Lois & Clark, and the Superman movies, and the comic books, ect..

Welling, for the last frelling time, does not have a problem wearing the suit, and he IS going to be wearing it when the series ends as the writers, producers, etc., have already stated as much. When Welling says, he doesn't want to play Superman, it's because from an actor's point-of-view, it's more of a challenge, at the moment, to be playing Clark Kent because that's where the "newness" of the character lies. I don't know of any stories that exists out there (correct me if I'm wrong) for Clark Kent's childhood - only of Superman. Once he becomes Superman, he has to stick to comic book, movie, and fanboy lore and rules. THAT'S what he's saying!

Where's my bottle of Excedrin?

[skruloos]

Welling, for the last frelling time, does not have a problem wearing the suit, and he IS going to be wearing it when the series ends as the writers, producers, etc., have already stated as much. When Welling says, he doesn't want to play Superman, it's because from an actor's point-of-view, it's more of a challenge, at the moment, to be playing Clark Kent because that's where the "newness" of the character lies. I don't know of any stories that exists out there (correct me if I'm wrong) for Clark Kent's childhood - only of Superman.
Ever hear of Superboy Pre-Crisis comics?


Once he becomes Superman, he has to stick to comic book, movie, and fanboy lore and rules. THAT'S what he's saying!
How exactly is this contradicting Dnsk's post? You basically explained exactly why Welling is uninterested in playing Superman. Congratulations. You undermined your own rebuttal.

[The Batman]

I always find that for guys who're negative about the movie, they'll always tell a story of how their friends or coworkers dont like the movie either. With SV fans, their friends say they're mad because Welling aint supes, or if you're mad because there are no supervillains in it, your story will have people complaining there are no villains in it.

The thread starters story seems ligit though

[dark_b]

God,these arguments are getting old!!!! He never said he didn't want to wear the suit! He said he didn't want to play the Superhero aspect of Superman AT THAT TIME. Welling wanted the role of pre-Superman because there is essentially nothing on paper regarding Clark Kent's childhood and adolescence, which means that it's a clean sheet of paper for him, as an actor, to grow with and build upon. He can add to the story and mythology without any of the baggage that the SUPERMAN lore would bring. If he wears the suit, then he instantly is the Superman hero and has to play him as that hero, ala Lois & Clark, and the Superman movies, and the comic books, ect..

Welling, for the last frelling time, does not have a problem wearing the suit, and he IS going to be wearing it when the series ends as the writers, producers, etc., have already stated as much. When Welling says, he doesn't want to play Superman, it's because from an actor's point-of-view, it's more of a challenge, at the moment, to be playing Clark Kent because that's where the "newness" of the character lies. I don't know of any stories that exists out there (correct me if I'm wrong) for Clark Kent's childhood - only of Superman. Once he becomes Superman, he has to stick to comic book, movie, and fanboy lore and rules. THAT'S what he's saying!

Where's my bottle of Excedrin?i am not an SV expert. but if i remember correctly he did say that he doesnt want to wear the tights. so i dont know. can someone confirm this?

[dark_b]

I always find that for guys who're negative about the movie, they'll always tell a story of how their friends or coworkers dont like the movie either. With SV fans, their friends say they're mad because Welling aint supes, or if you're mad because there are no supervillains in it, your story will have people complaining there are no villains in it.

The thread starters story seems ligit thoughwellcome to the real world ;). this is why i dont like whe nsomeone said that he saw positive reactions in the theater after the teaser. because i also dont belive when someone has something negative to say. fact is that when someone says a story of something like that it is a high possibility that he lies.

[TheSuperBatFan]

Welling, for the last frelling time, does not have a problem wearing the suit, and he IS going to be wearing it when the series ends as the writers, producers, etc., have already stated as much.

Dude, yes, as stated by the producers he willwear the suit when the show ends. But, how much are you willing to bet that when they say the end of the series they literally mean the ned of the series, like the last 5 minutes of the series finale. I guarenttee thats the most he wears the suit for. If he had to wear the suit regularly for more than that I guarenttee you he'd refuse it. The fact of the matter is he has no interest in the part once he has to wear the suit.

[patrickbateman]

YOU MUST SEE THIS

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224883

[Mentok]

Meh.

[GothicPowerMix1]

(wonders how long before a certain user comes into this)

[Mentok]

Clark Kent is KAL EL, and KAL EL is SUPERMAN...
He doesn't have the suit yet but he will, and then since he was here first he will still be the SUPERMAN of this generation... Most people already see him simply as "Superman" even SHAQ who met him at some show introduced him to his kids as "Superman."
Not as "Tom Welling" or "The guy from Smallville" or "that Clark Kent guy" no he called him "Superman."
That's how a majority of the public see's him.. Even people I have spoken to about the movie who don't EVER watch the show know him as "That New Superman guy."



Welling does not play Superman nor did he want to... get over it for gods sake... he did :o

[Mentok]

Dude, yes, as stated by the producers he willwear the suit when the show ends. But, how much are you willing to bet that when they say the end of the series they literally mean the ned of the series, like the last 5 minutes of the series finale. I guarenttee thats the most he wears the suit for. If he had to wear the suit regularly for more than that I guarenttee you he'd refuse it. The fact of the matter is he has no interest in the part once he has to wear the suit.

The suit will be a breif glimpse at the end of the series. Nothing more than a fleeting image.

[The Sage]

I always find that for guys who're negative about the movie, they'll always tell a story of how their friends or coworkers dont like the movie either. With SV fans, their friends say they're mad because Welling aint supes, or if you're mad because there are no supervillains in it, your story will have people complaining there are no villains in it.


:up: :up: :up:

[GothicPowerMix1]

Welling does not play Superman nor did he want to... get over it for gods sake... he did :o

AT LAST SOMEONE GETS IT BESIDES ME & by the way Welling had nothing to get over

[Mentok]

well for starters the WB is going to upset a big chunk of the public who loves Welling, and see's him as Superman already!

Well, thats too bad for them because Welling does not play Superman.

With Routh they piss one section of the fanbase off, and they go a total diffrent direction then logic would say they should go.

I tend to believe Superman fans believe in the Characters not whoever is playing a version of them at the time. Logic does not say they should have gone with Welling anyway.

I have always felt that there should never ever be 2 active human actors playing the same role at the same time... It cheapens the feel of that character... Notice how the WB killed any ideas of the Bruce Wayne show or even him on Smallville once BATMAN BEGINS got Greenlite????

Because they were focusing on a big screen version of BATMAN, that why the Bruse Wayne TV series was canned. As for Bruce Wayne not being on SMALLVILLE, MILLAR said that came down to timelines. Bruce would already be Batman if they were to introduce him to SMALLVILLE and the WB didnt want that.

With Superman they rushed it because they wanted their biggest character to compete with Spiderman,

Look at the time they spend deciding on Singer, look at the pre production timeline, look at the hooting timeline and now look at post production... Nothing about this film was rushed. You want to talk about rushed films? go look at X3 :o

and they got a director who has had back to back hit movies, and as it turns out they were both Superhero movies so they went with plan B...

They went with 'Plan B'? No, After constantly failing at getting the film of the ground Laura Donner suggestd that Singer Go talk with her husband about working on a Superman film. After that he went to WB and they were so impressed with his pitch they set things in motion. Their plan (before singer came onboard) was to ditch the film for now. Singer came in and gave them a whole new outlook.

I hope for the best but honestly they should have ended Smallville, and then make a SUPERMAN movie with the main cast needed... That was the right way to go...

Why? So SMALLVILLE fans could be happy? I hate to tell you but most Superman fans dont like SMALLVILLE. WB would have been stupid to do that.

Brandon said it himself that if he didnt look or sound a little like Chris that he wouldn't even have an acting career... Sorry even he's said it.

Find this exact quote and I will believe you :o

[TheSuperBatFan]

The suit will be a breif glimpse at the end of the series. Nothing more than a fleeting image.

indeed

[TheSuperBatFan]

Well, thats too bad for them because Welling does not play Superman.



I tend to believe Superman fans believe in the Characters not whoever is playing a version of them at the time. Logic does not say they should have gone with Welling anyway.



Because they were focusing on a big screen version of BATMAN, that why the Bruse Wayne TV series was canned. As for Bruce Wayne not being on SMALLVILLE, MILLAR said that came down to timelines. Bruce would already be Batman if they were to introduce him to SMALLVILLE and the WB didnt want that.



Look at the time they spend deciding on Singer, look at the pre production timeline, look at the hooting timeline and now look at post production... Nothing about this film was rushed. You want to talk about rushed films? go look at X3 :o



They went with 'Plan B'? No, After constantly failing at getting the film of the ground Laura Donner suggestd that Singer Go talk with her husband about working on a Superman film. After that he went to WB and they were so impressed with his pitch they set things in motion. Their plan (before singer came onboard) was to ditch the film for now. Singer came in and gave them a whole new outlook.



Why? So SMALLVILLE fans could be happy? I hate to tell you but most Superman fans dont like SMALLVILLE. WB would have been stupid to do that.



Find this exact quote and I will believe you :o


indeed part deux

[Mentok]

indeed

And to be honest even that would be too much IMO. I would rather have him pack up his Kryptonian blankets in a backpack and leave Smallville.

That way you give a much better hint at what he is leading into. But they will play to the die hard fans who would rather see him in a cheap costume.

[jrd550]

I must admit when rumors came out that Welling may become Supes I was very disappointed, thinking the kid wasn't even worth a look at - the problem was that I hadn't seen Smallville yet - and once I did I actually liked Welling a lot and the series too... the problem is that Welling plays Clark Kent at a different stage in his life than Brandon will and I will always associate Welling with the Smallville Clark Kent... hopefully the series will last a while and Tom will actually be able to become Superman and the series can live on fom there - I am happy the movie and show are different universes.

[TheSuperBatFan]

I agree. then again, personally I'd rather the show be canceled at the end of this season and we can all forget the travesty this show has become. Hell, they should have ended it with him walking into the fortress. The Fortress is enough of his destiny to get the point.

[Max]

Ever hear of Superboy Pre-Crisis comics?


How exactly is this contradicting Dnsk's post? You basically explained exactly why Welling is uninterested in playing Superman. Congratulations. You undermined your own rebuttal.

Go read my post and the quote I was responding to and then come back and give me a sensible argument.

Also, not everyone reads comic books. I have no clue about Superboy Pre-Crisis, which is why I invited correcting in my post - another point you missed. Does he wear the suit as "Superboy?" I don't know that either.

My post was a direct response to what I specifically quoted. Like I said, go reread it and come back with some an intelligent response. Thanks.

[skruloos]

My post was a direct response to what I specifically quoted. Like I said, go reread it and come back with some an intelligent response. Thanks.
Go ahead and re-read your own post. You were trying to post a rebuttal yet you defeated it in your last paragraph. Yes, Superman will wear the suit IN THE LAST EPISODE. He's not going to be playing Superman much at all, is he? If he were actually interested in wearing the suit they'd put him in the suit. But that's not what the show is about and not why Welling joined the show.

You yourself explained it quite well. You explained exactly WHY Welling would not want to do the role as an actor. You made it quite clear. Wearing the suit comes hand in hand with playing Superman. If he does not want to play Superman, for whatever reasons, then he doesn't want to wear the tights.

Has Welling come out recently and expressed interest in donning the cape and tights at all?

[TheSuperBatFan]

Also, not everyone reads comic books. I have no clue about Superboy Pre-Crisis, which is why I invited correcting in my post - another point you missed. Does he wear the suit as "Superboy?" I don't know that either.

skruloos has most of your post covered, but I figured I'd answer your question. In precrisis Martha used the blankets from the ship to create a playsuit for the infant Kal-el. Since the material was invulnerable she coaxed the baby to use his heat vision in order to fray the cloth so she could sew it into the suit. As the baby grew the playsuit grew with him. When he was old enough and the town of Smallville needed him, he and Martha again went and fixed the palysuit into the classic uniform, which continued to grow with Superboy. When he became Superman, he did it wearing the suit he'd always worn when using his powers.

To anyone who'd know, did I leave anything out?

[Max]

Go ahead and re-read your own post. You were trying to post a rebuttal yet you defeated it in your last paragraph. Yes, Superman will wear the suit IN THE LAST EPISODE. He's not going to be playing Superman much at all, is he? If he were actually interested in wearing the suit they'd put him in the suit. But that's not what the show is about and not why Welling joined the show.

You yourself explained it quite well. You explained exactly WHY Welling would not want to do the role as an actor. You made it quite clear. Wearing the suit comes hand in hand with playing Superman. If he does not want to play Superman, for whatever reasons, then he doesn't want to wear the tights.

Has Welling come out recently and expressed interest in donning the cape and tights at all?

Holy crap, do I need to explain how to read a post in context. For the record: Welling Never said he would not wear the suit because he wouldn't put on the tights. The costume, itself, had nothing to do with it.

GO REREAD IT AGAIN. In fact, don't reread it. I can't waste my time explaining it to you.

[Max]

skruloos has most of your post covered, but I figured I'd answer your question. In precrisis Martha used the blankets from the ship to create a playsuit for the infant Kal-el. Since the material was invulnerable she coaxed the baby to use his heat vision in order to fray the cloth so she could sew it into the suit. As the baby grew the playsuit grew with him. When he was old enough and the town of Smallville needed him, he and Martha again went and fixed the palysuit into the classic uniform, which continued to grow with Superboy. When he became Superman, he did it wearing the suit he'd always worn when using his powers.

To anyone who'd know, did I leave anything out?

Thank you, I didn't know about that. However, it still sounds like he was wearing a suit at some point in this comic version. Correct? Was there ever a version where it was just Clark Kent where there was no costume ever worn? Just him and his parents and his life in Smallville?

[TheSuperBatFan]

Thank you, I didn't know about that. However, it still sounds like he was wearing a suit at some point in this comic version. Correct? Was there ever a version where it was just Clark Kent where there was no costume ever worn? Just him and his parents and his life in Smallville?

yes, in precrisis mythology, Superboy existed fully costumed. I believe the only version of Superman in pre crisis where he was never Superboy, was the Superman of Earth 2. But I could be wrong. I'm by no means the most knowledgable on the subject.

here's a picture of precrisis Superboy:

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/comic-covers/Pre-Crisis-Covers/superboy-covers/1958/sboy68.jpg

[skruloos]

Holy crap, do I need to explain how to read a post in context. For the record: Welling Never said he would not wear the suit because he wouldn't put on the tights. The costume, itself, had nothing to do with it.

GO REREAD IT AGAIN. In fact, don't reread it. I can't waste my time explaining it to you.
And read the part where I said that wearing the tights goes hand in hand with playing the character of Superman. Thus, if he does not want to play the character of Superman, he doesn't want to wear the tights.

You're arguing semantics. Welling does not want to play the character. That's the only point any of the other posters made. You took it too literally. Maybe you should have read those posts in context.

[Max]

yes, in precrisis mythology, Superboy existed fully costumed. I believe the only version of Superman in pre crisis where he was never Superboy, was the Superman of Earth 2. But I could be wrong. I'm by no means the most knowledgable on the subject.

here's a picture of precrisis Superboy:

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/comic-covers/Pre-Crisis-Covers/superboy-covers/1958/sboy68.jpg


Thanks again. So, it would appear that there has never been a version of any story of just Clark Kent, sans costume, ever told in Superman lore until Smallville, correct?

[GothicPowerMix1]

So, it would appear that there has never been a version of any story of just Clark Kent

Nope as far as I know this Story in Smallville is pretty much the first of its kind. Which is I believe one of the reasons when Welling found out what it was about after he made his assumptions he acceppted the role because it was new & different & NOT about Superman.

[Max]

Nope as far as I know this Story in Smallville is pretty much the first of its kind. Which is I believe one of the reasons when Welling found out what it was about after he made his assumptions he acceppted the role because it was new & different & NOT about Superman.

Which is exactly what I explained in my post. Thank you, Dnsk. I thought I was losing my mind.

Well, it's late, and I'm off to snooze.

[GothicPowerMix1]

I really hope before the Show is over Welling does some Online Chat then I would jump at the chance to ask him in his own Words clear this mess up once & for all

[TheSuperBatFan]

Thanks again. So, it would appear that there has never been a version of any story of just Clark Kent, sans costume, ever told in Superman lore until Smallville, correct?

pretty much what Smallville attempted to do was combine pre crisis with post crisis, with very mixed results. Post Crisis Clark Kent lived a normal life in Smallville. The only thing out of the ordinary in his childhood post crisis was the emergance of his superpowers. There were no freaks. There was nothing science fiction. It was just the normal life of a boy growing up in the mid western United States. Pre crisis however, was the age of Superboy. Clark Kent grew up saving Smallville from crime and monsters just as Superman does for Metropolis. Essentially what the producers of Smallville did was take Superboy, remove his costume, and for that matter, his ability to fly, and have him continue to serve as Superboy, only in a post crisis world.

[skruloos]

Thank you, I didn't know about that. However, it still sounds like he was wearing a suit at some point in this comic version. Correct? Was there ever a version where it was just Clark Kent where there was no costume ever worn? Just him and his parents and his life in Smallville?
What difference does the suit make? Whether in costume or not, he was still Clark Kent and followed his adventures as a teenager.

[skruloos]

Clark Kent grew up saving Smallville from crime and monsters just as Superman does for Metropolis. Essentially what the producers of Smallville did was take Superboy, remove his costume, and for that matter, his ability to fly, and have him continue to serve as Superboy, only in a post crisis world.
Exactly. I don't know why Max is hung up on the costume. Smallville is essentially pre-Crisis Superboy right down to establishing a relationship between Luthor and Superboy at an early age.

[Triano]

he's hung up on the costume because without it, there's no secondary identity to protect clark kent when he's in smallville. suddenly it's not superboy into superman, it's lois lane and perry white and lex luthor knowing about non-bumbling clark kent and all this weirdo stuff, and then clark kent goes to metropolis and all this crazy stuff happens, but when he turns into non-bumbling superman and looks/acts EXACTLY as he did in smallville, lex luthor's not going to forget who his best friend was and what he looked like. neither would lois lane, star reporter.

smallville sucks because it's ridiculous. superboy sucks because it's implausible. neither should be a part of the lasting superman mythos, and i have a hunch they won't be.

[Scooter]

In all fairness, Superman, in any incarnation, is ridiculous. I mean, let's not forget, we're talking about a 6'3" alien who flies around in bright red underwear.

[KaptainKrypton]

In all fairness, Superman, in any incarnation, is ridiculous. I mean, let's not forget, we're talking about a 6'3" alien who flies around in bright red underwear.
I prefer the term "trunks" dude.:p

[Mentok]

WB have to play to the bigger audience anyway. Thats why we are not getting SMALLVILLE - THE MOVIE.

Far more people know about SUPERMAN and are fans of him than people who watch SMALLVILLE.

[Milkman95]

WB have to play to the bigger audience anyway. Thats why we are not getting SMALLVILLE - THE MOVIE.

Far more people know about SUPERMAN and are fans of him than people who watch SMALLVILLE.

That's true, but now they're attempting to cash in twice on the character, which they will end up doing.

[explode7]

In all fairness, Superman, in any incarnation, is ridiculous. I mean, let's not forget, we're talking about a 6'3" alien who flies around in bright red underwear.

I agree with you there scoots.:up:

[Salemdog]

Didn't want to start a new thread and this looked as a good a place. New article posted at CNN.com in the Entertainment section.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

^ Thanks, Salemdog

Here (http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/03/27/film.supermanreturns.ap/index.html) is a direct link to the story.

[Showtime]

Nice read.

[dark_b]

there are so many threads on this SR vs. SV that i dont know where was posted that in SV clark decided to kill hes father to rescue lana.

well on The Planet i found this link that shows some alternate ending. it looks like they wanted to make it right but then they changed it.

spoilers:
http://www.smallville-media.com/media/512/index.php

[Showtime]

Do you realize what forum you are in DB?

[SolidSnakeMGS]

The acquantence/former friend I mentioned in another post came over with my friend last night so we could edit some videos, and this time he seemed a lot more interested in Superman Returns when he saw my desktop wallpaper. He actually knew about Brando being in the film as he had been reading up on the movie via the web. I had to show him the trailer as he still hadn't seen it, and even though he's kinda a cold dude and doesn't show excitement, I could tell he liked it.

Predictably, he didn't like Spacey as Lex because he thought people would simply see Kevin Spacey and not Lex. I reminded him that Hackman was huge in the 70's from a string of hits and then of course, there was Brando. People certainly bought into the characters there and did not allow the high-caliber actors to overpower the roles.

[Showtime]

I went to my relatives for Easter and at dinner we were discussing how she and my other aunt (who also knit my Superman rug) had taken me to see Superman III in the theater.

Then I told them that a new movie was about to come out, and of course they had many questions. Instead of pushing my overzealous views on them, I told them I would show them the website.

I instructed them to go to www.supermanreturns.com where they were greeted by the \S/ logo. I showed them the trailer and then the photos, a long with wallpaper on the site. Here were some of their comments in random order:

*My aunt noticed the darker red in the photos and didn't like it.
*My grandmother noticed that the blue was brighter.
*My grandmother pointed out Brandon looked much younger than Reeve.
*They both were floored by how Brandon looked like Reeve as Clark
*My grandmother said Kate's Lois reminded her of a Katherine Hepburn
*My aunt thought Brando's voice was Anthony Hopkins in the teaser
*My aunt loved Spacey as Luthor and thought it was Hackman

[explode7]

Dude. You guys eat, breathe and live superman.

[Showtime]

Dude. You guys eat, breathe and live superman.

I tried to eat, breathe, and live Spiderman; but I got sick. :down :spidey:

[explode7]

Well duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh. Your're a superman fan of course you'll get sick:p

[Showtime]

Well duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh. Your're a superman fan of course you'll get sick:p

A Spiderman fan as well. You can't deny it. :spidey: :up:

[explode7]

:up:Whats the code for the spidey by the way?

[SuperDaniel]

Most of my friends are very confident that Superman Returns is going to be a great movie because of me, Singer, Routh looking like Superman and Spacey. They even think Routh look like me. ahahah

[explode7]

So that means Routh looks like a spider then:p

[SuperDaniel]

ahahahahahaah
Thats me:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Uaala/Picture26.jpg

[Showtime]

^You look like a combination of Routh, Tobey Maguire, and Singer!

[SuperDaniel]

^You look like a combination of Routh, Tobey Maguire, and Singer!
Im a few years younger than Routh and i`m only 5`10...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Uaala/Picture14.jpg
Maybe this pic is more Supermanly.ahahahahaha

[Showtime]

Only talking facial features, I can't see the rest of you, not sure if I want to! Heh Heh.

[SuperDaniel]

^^Thank god :D

[Showtime]

^^Thank god :D

Heh Heh Heh :ghost: :up:

[explode7]

Nah. You look like Jimmy Olsen more man.

[Showtime]

Im a few years younger than Routh and i`m only 5`10...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Uaala/Picture14.jpg
Maybe this pic is more Supermanly.ahahahahaha

There ya go. More of a Superman angle.

I don't think I can pull off Superman:

http://myspace-469.vo.llnwd.net/00390/96/47/390717469_l.jpg

[explode7]

Hey look its Showtime. Is that really you Showtimer?

[SuperDaniel]

here! Better pics:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Uaala/Picture29.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Uaala/Picture30.jpg
Just took them right now with my webcam. Maybe if i was taller...hahaahah

[explode7]

Dude its OK no need to go through all that trouble for us.

[SuperDaniel]

Just for fun. Nothing to do right now. hahaha

[Showtime]

Hey look its Showtime. Is that really you Showtimer?

That is me X-Plode :spidey: :up:

[explode7]

So hows the ladies?

[Showtime]

The LADY just got on a plane to Pennsylvania for the week.

[explode7]

heheheheh.

[user123456789]

I think Welling is absolutely great, I really mean that.. and for a long time I wanted him to play the new superman in the movie, even after Routh was cast.. but not any more... Routh IS superman.. Welling IS Clark Kent, before Superman.. Welling is great, but he's representing Kal-El in a different stage of his life..

Well said.

[user123456789]

I believe thats what Millar said, that Clark is the real person, Superman is the disguise.

Im not 100% on that though... I have seen too many different quotes from people explaining what part of Clark/Kal/Superman is the 'real person' :D

"Do you think you could ever do what she did? Play the mild-mannered reporter by day and crime-fighter by night?" - Chloe Sullivan

"Honestly? I'm kinda hopin' I can find a way to not have to hide who I really am." - Clark Kent

Season 5, Episode 13 Vengeance

It appears A&M have changed their perspective? Either way that line rocks lol.