SILVER SURFER/ Lawrence Fishburne, Doug Jones Discussion Thread

[Silver Knight]

Why? The first FF movie was talked about for years, several scripts before it was finally filmed.
Its getting bad because I want news on Surfers movie.

[Kelly]

Its getting bad because I want news on Surfers movie.

Well people around here had to wait a long time for an FF movie. Every once in awhile hearing about a script, possible director etc. The SS movie probably won't be much different. They could be waiting to see if their is much talk from the fans about wanting to see a surfer movie. Not that Fox listens too much to the fans, or at all for that matter.

[Spider-Fan]

Then in that case...WE MUST START TALKING MORE ABOUT THE SURFER MOVIE!!!

[Silver Knight]

This movie WILL happen in due time.

Im thinking 3-4 years.

[highguard]

Well people around here had to wait a long time for an FF movie. Every once in awhile hearing about a script, possible director etc. The SS movie probably won't be much different. They could be waiting to see if their is much talk from the fans about wanting to see a surfer movie. Not that Fox listens too much to the fans, or at all for that matter.


You mean you doubt the attentiveness of Fox studios, that they would ignore those who are really into these characters, that they are laughing at us behind our backs, that they feel we all live in basements in the dark, (I have electricity, so there:cwink:).

Frankly Albafan I am disappointed in you. You seem so jaded. Fox cares about us, and the art of movie making, they want to bring joy and love and inspire us to be more than we are.

And I am also not bitter that rather than fix their misteps with FF2 they want to deceive us with flash and hype again for another Fantastic movie which will surely give the fans of the FF all that they want.

Now I really hope that you can see the light now.

[Kelly]

You mean you doubt the attentiveness of Fox studios, that they would ignore those who are really into these characters, that they are laughing at us behind our backs, that they feel we all live in basements in the dark, (I have electricity, so there:cwink:).

Frankly Albafan I am disappointed in you. You seem so jaded. Fox cares about us, and the art of movie making, they want to bring joy and love and inspire us to be more than we are.

And I am also not bitter that rather than fix their misteps with FF2 they want to deceive us with flash and hype again for another Fantastic movie which will surely give the fans of the FF all that they want.

Now I really hope that you can see the light now.


LMAO.....you are so full of it........LOL

[highguard]

..... Yes I see your point, it would appear that you are absolutely correct..... LOL

[Hellmistress]

Dougie talks the Surfer. Part One of a nice little interview.

http://www.ifmagazine.com/feature.asp?article=2374

HM

[Silver Knight]

Niice.

[aaron]

good dude

[TheShadowCat]

Very nice. Guess Fox has given up trying to shut him up about what he did and Spectral Motion's role in the SS's creation.

>^..^<

[Theweepeople]

..... Yes I see your point, it would appear that you are absolutely correct..... LOL

I totally agree with you inspite of the following:

Fox cutting both of Singer's budget's for X1 and X2 thereby forcing him to change core elements of the scripts.

Fox staling to sign Singer to a contract to direct X3 and X4 for over a year thereby influencing him to leave Fox.

Fox deciding not to hire Joss Whedon(someone who writes X-MEn comics) to direct X-Men 3 because he would not agree to the direction Tom Rothman wanted the movie to go.

Fox for considering to hire Rob Bowman(Director of the crapfest called Elektra) for X3.

Fox for hiring two hack writers(Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn) to hastily put together a script only 8 months before filming was to begin.

Fox for hiring a director(Matthew Vaughn who knew absolutely nothing about the comics.)

Fox for publicly lying to fans about significant changes made to the script which got poorly reviewed on Ain't it cool news, rotten tomatoes, CHUD, and many other websites.

Fox for giving Vaughn no freedom to do anything he wanted and thereby forcing him to leave the project.

Fox for hiring another director who is a hack and also knew little about the comics.

Fox for unscrupulously hyping X-Men 3 with spoilers that turned out to be 95% wrong.

http://www.**************.com/news/articles/2306.asp

Fox for filing a lawsuit against Ain't it cool news to remove a X3 film review Fox claimed to be false but, turned out to be pretty accurate in January of last year.

Fox for influencing Simon Kinberg to tell multiple lies about X3 to fans on thexverse.com forums for 5 months before the movie came out!!!




Fox for hiring a director who knew nothing about the Fantastic Four comics.

Fox for preventing Tim Story from making a longer and better FF1. What is Fox's obession with preventing there sci-fi films from being longer than 104minutes?

Fox for forcing Tim Story to make a Fantastic Four sequel that is 15 minutes shorter!!!

Fox for lying about the sequel's run time after it was revealed on Ain't it cool news. What happened to those additional 11 minutes that Tom Rothman promised would be added to the theatrical release?:oldrazz:

Fox for lying about Galactus being a cloud.

Fox for filing a lawsuit against Memflix of ain't it cool news because they were pissed off about his negative review.


Fox for not being concerned about the post production of Wolverine which will be affected by the hollywood strike that will happen in May of 2008.


Fox for buying the rights to DBZ in 2004 and doing nothing with the rights until a month ago when they announced they were going to make the film before May of 2008 inspite of not having a script, director, cast, budget, and producers.

Yep. After considering all these things I'm convinced that Fox will always go out of their way to make the fans of sci-fi franchises happy.:whatever:

[Antonello Blueberry]

Fox for not being concerned about the post production of Wolverine which will be affected by the hollywood strike that will happen in May of 2008.

How could the strike affect the post production of the movie?
And where did Matthew Vaughn state that he wasn't a X-Men reader?

[Theweepeople]

How could the strike affect the post production of the movie?

That's simple. Fox may dramatically try to shorten the post production before May 2008 so no one involved with Wolverine will have the opportunity to strike will the movie is being finished. Therefore a shortened post production will reduce the quality of the movie.


And where did Matthew Vaughn state that he wasn't a X-Men reader?

Vaughn didn't have to say this to confirm it is true. After reading some of his bizzare storyboard ideas and casting decision for Vinnie Jones to play Juggernaut it's obvious that he didn't know enough about the X-Men comics to properly make a film.

[Antonello Blueberry]

That's simple. Fox may dramatically try to shorten the post production before May 2008 so no one involved with Wolverine will have the opportunity to strike will the movie is being finished. Therefore a shortened post production will reduce the quality of the movie.
Being form South Africa, I strongly doubt that Gavin Hood is a member of DGA, so the strike won't affect the post production.


Vaughn didn't have to say this to confirm it is true. After reading some of his bizzare storyboard ideas and casting decision for Vinnie Jones to play Juggernaut it's obvious that he didn't know enough about the X-Men comics to properly make a film.
Bryan Snger wasn't a comic-book reader before making his movies, while Vaughn is reportedly a comic-book fan.

[Theweepeople]

Being form South Africa, I strongly doubt that Gavin Hood is a member of DGA, so the strike won't affect the post production.

I was not aware about that so maybe the post production won't be affected.


Bryan Snger wasn't a comic-book reader before making his movies, while Vaughn is reportedly a comic-book fan.

You are right about Singer not being a comic book reader the first time Fox approached him to do the film. Singer initially turned Fox down because he knew nothing about the comics. Then Singer started reading the comics, became very knowledgeable about X-Men, and when Fox approached him a second time he agreed.

You are also right about Vaughn being a comic book reader just probably not an X-Men comic reader. Brett Ratner has also claimed to be an X-Men comic reader and said the X-Men 3 film would be tied to the comics exactly.:oldrazz:

What's very interesting is inspite of Singer not being a comic book reader he is the only one of these 3 directors that has written storylines for comics(Ultimate X-Men).

[danoyse]

Being form South Africa, I strongly doubt that Gavin Hood is a member of DGA, so the strike won't affect the post production.

Gavin Hood is a member of the DGA.

What's working to Wolverine's advantage is that unlike the last X-Men film, they do already have a script, plus they've had a director signed on for a few months now, and the production team seems to be coming together nicely. They're already scouting locations in New Zealand, and since it looks like they'll be filming in Australia, I'm guessing Hugh (who's a producer on this one) can put in a lot of input since he's already there finishing another film.

Also, unlike X3...there's no release date set in stone. Last I heard they were looking at mid-summer 2008, but nothing is confirmed yet.

They start filming in November, it looks like it's already gotten a good head start.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Did anyone else think that they have severly limited the Silver Surfer character on screen, by making him completely vulnerable when not on his board?

It was another decision i was very dissapointed in, and i think it will effect the way the character is presented in a solo movie if it happens.

Its like if he ever leaves his board in a fight, he is a dead man, it was an extremely poor decision IMO and the only thing about SS that i disliked.

[Kelly]

I didn't see it as a problem in the movie, so no....I don't see it as a problem in the solo movie.

[TheShadowCat]

The reason SS was left so weak when he was seperated from his board is because Reed disrupted the connection between them. Once the disruption was removed he had control of the board again even though he wasn't on it.

Just my nickle's worth.

>^..^<

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I didn't see it as a problem in the movie, so no....I don't see it as a problem in the solo movie.

So you dont see it as a problem that he couldnt leave his board to actually have a battle with someone?

The reason SS was left so weak when he was seperated from his board is because Reed disrupted the connection between them. Once the disruption was removed he had control of the board again even though he wasn't on it.

Just my nickle's worth.

>^..^<

It wasnt about controlling the board, its the fact that his power comes from it, so if an enemy knocks him off the board, someone like Thanos for example, they can then beat the crap out of him with ease.

[TheShadowCat]

So you dont see it as a problem that he couldnt leave his board to actually have a battle with someone?

It wasnt about controlling the board, its the fact that his power comes from it, so if an enemy knocks him off the board, someone like Thanos for example, they can then beat the crap out of him with ease.
I think he can leave his board, though he probably won't be as strong as he is with it. Reed disrupted his connection to his board and that's why he lost his powers. I don't read the comics, but how often has he fought without his board?

>^..^<

[Advanced Dark]

Gavin Hood is a member of the DGA.

What's working to Wolverine's advantage is that unlike the last X-Men film, they do already have a script, plus they've had a director signed on for a few months now, and the production team seems to be coming together nicely. They're already scouting locations in New Zealand, and since it looks like they'll be filming in Australia, I'm guessing Hugh (who's a producer on this one) can put in a lot of input since he's already there finishing another film.

Also, unlike X3...there's no release date set in stone. Last I heard they were looking at mid-summer 2008, but nothing is confirmed yet.

They start filming in November, it looks like it's already gotten a good head start.

The strike shouldn't effect any post productions unless they need reshoots from what I understand. As long as you're done filming by the end of May 08 then your safe. That's what I read.

[danoyse]

And I've read the plan is for Wolverine to finish filming by February, so Justice League (I think??) can move into the studio. At least that's what I read.

[Advanced Dark]

I'm sure not all the Wolverine filming will be in the studio either. They start filming in November right? WOw that's 3 Marvel films filming between Oct-November. :) Thor, Wolverine, Punisher 2, and probably Hulk at this rate.

[highguard]

^^ Thor is going to start filming soon, where did you hear that?

That is great news.

Thunder God in the house.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think he can leave his board, though he probably won't be as strong as he is with it. Reed disrupted his connection to his board and that's why he lost his powers. I don't read the comics, but how often has he fought without his board?

>^..^<

Plenty of times, in the cartoon at least, both the FF and SS one's. This is why it dissapoints me they made the board the source of his power, why cant Galactus just be the source of his power, you know, like the comics!

[dark_b]

after looking at the footage again and the official pics i noticed that the silver surfer didnt reflect itself.
for example hes arms should be reflected on hes body. i didnt see that.
and if you look at some real silver you see that when it reflects itself it doesnt look so good anymore. it would be to much.the board did reflect teh surfer which was cool.

i think it was good to reflect only the enviorment.

[Noir]

And I've read the plan is for Wolverine to finish filming by February, so Justice League (I think??) can move into the studio. At least that's what I read....Justice League is a completely different studio :dry:

[dark_b]

...Justice League is a completely different studio :dry:SR filmed in the fox studios. the same will happen with JL.

[Advanced Dark]

Doug Jones appearance:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=11979

[danoyse]

I'm sure not all the Wolverine filming will be in the studio either. They start filming in November right? WOw that's 3 Marvel films filming between Oct-November. :) Thor, Wolverine, Punisher 2, and probably Hulk at this rate.

According to one article I read, they were scouting locations in New Zealand just recently, so I don't think it's all going to shoot at the studio, either. The Wolverine thread has some new articles up regarding the Australia shoot, and it says they're scheduled to start at the end of November. Sweet. :up:

[Hellmistress]

after looking at the footage again and the official pics i noticed that the silver surfer didnt reflect itself.
for example hes arms should be reflected on hes body. i didnt see that.
and if you look at some real silver you see that when it reflects itself it doesnt look so good anymore. it would be to much.the board did reflect teh surfer which was cool.

i think it was good to reflect only the enviorment.

Is this the one I missed? Sorry - I was in Budapest on the Hellboy II set when you wrote it. But I loved the reflection of the Human Torch on the Surfer. Just gorgeous. Kudos to WETA on that one.

As an aside and on a completely different topic ... you guys have been mentioning Justice League - are the rumours still of doing it as a mo-cap project? Just curious.

HM

[Silver Knight]

So any news when SS will start production?

[dark_b]

Is this the one I missed? Sorry - I was in Budapest on the Hellboy II set when you wrote it. But I loved the reflection of the Human Torch on the Surfer. Just gorgeous. Kudos to WETA on that one.

As an aside and on a completely different topic ... you guys have been mentioning Justice League - are the rumours still of doing it as a mo-cap project? Just curious.

HMthey did a great job. WETA and ILM are the best IMO. but digital domain is also not bad. sony is also good but there is something wrong with them.

[Hellmistress]

So any news when SS will start production?

Not a whimper.

HM

[Silver Knight]

Not a whimper.

HM
Im doubting this movie will ever happen.

[Iron Maiden]

Well, there is a script out there by JMS, who also recently did the Silver Surfer limited "Requiem", which I liked. Look how long it's taken "Wolverine" to get going and that's been in various stages of development ever since the second X-Men movie as I recall. Of course, Hugh Jackman has been pretty busy.

[Hellmistress]

Well, there is a script out there by JMS, who also recently did the Silver Surfer limited "Requiem", which I liked. Look how long it's taken "Wolverine" to get going and that's been in various stages of development ever since the second X-Men movie as I recall. Of course, Hugh Jackman has been pretty busy.

I liked Requiem a great deal, and would be happy with anything JMS might come up with, but considering the reception for this film, I'm wondering if Fox has cold feet regarding a stand-alone Surfer movie. I guess we wait and see.

HM

[Silver Knight]

What happened at the end of Requiem?

I didnt quite finish it.

[Hellmistress]

What happened at the end of Requiem?

I didnt quite finish it.

Hey, man, don't go there ... it was so ... so ... goldarnit, I can't deal with this ... *sob* ...:csad:

HM

[Booznian]

Lawrence Fishburne has a beautiful voice.

[Silver Knight]

Hey, man, don't go there ... it was so ... so ... goldarnit, I can't deal with this ... *sob* ...:csad:

HM
Please share with me my dude.

[Hellmistress]

Please share with me my dude.

The S ... Surfer ... he's ... he's ... *simper* ... I can't say it ... *sob* ...

HM

PS - *whimper* ...

[Silver Knight]

Please tell me what happened in 3 and 4.

Many thanks.

[Hellmistress]

Please tell me what happened in 3 and 4.

Many thanks.

***SPOILERS****






Well, basically, it is the Surfer at the end of his life - 4 especially, as he returns to Zenn La and to Shalla Bal. There he is revered as a great man, and Galactus returns, with Norrin extracting a promise that he will never harm Zenn La or its people - and as the Surfer dies, Galactus turns him into a star. Jeez, it's sad.

But the artwork is glorious.

HM

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, i enjoyed the movie more on DVD, but the Surfer definately makes the movie for me, i just wish they hadnt made the idiotic decision of making his board the source of his power.

Making it the beacon for Galactus was clever, but making it the source of his powers is right up there with Sandman killing Uncle Ben and Cyclops dying in the Pheonix saga, etc as one of the stupedest idea's in a CB movie ever.

Also, when Surfer confronts Galactus, and says "I will no longer serve......this is the end for both of us." Did anyone think this didnt sound like LF, i wonder did they use DJ's voice for that scene?

[dark_b]

Well, i enjoyed the movie more on DVD, but the Surfer definately makes the movie for me, i just wish they hadnt made the idiotic decision of making his board the source of his power.

Making it the beacon for Galactus was clever, but making it the source of his powers is right up there with Sandman killing Uncle Ben and Cyclops dying in the Pheonix saga, etc as one of the stupedest idea's in a CB movie ever.

Also, when Surfer confronts Galactus, and says "I will no longer serve......this is the end for both of us." Did anyone think this didnt sound like LF, i wonder did they use DJ's voice for that scene?i agree.

[Silver Knight]

[quote=Hellmistress;12940232]***SPOILERS****






Well, basically, it is the Surfer at the end of his life - 4 especially, as he returns to Zenn La and to Shalla Bal. There he is revered as a great man, and Galactus returns, with Norrin extracting a promise that he will never harm Zenn La or its people - and as the Surfer dies, Galactus turns him into a star. Jeez, it's sad.

But the artwork is glorious.
Why does the Surfer die? Isnt he invincible? Why does Galactus kill him?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

i agree.

It seems plenty of people have noticed it, but according to HM, who is the person most likely to know out of anyone here, it is still LF. Very odd indeed.

[quote=Hellmistress;12940232]***SPOILERS****






Well, basically, it is the Surfer at the end of his life - 4 especially, as he returns to Zenn La and to Shalla Bal. There he is revered as a great man, and Galactus returns, with Norrin extracting a promise that he will never harm Zenn La or its people - and as the Surfer dies, Galactus turns him into a star. Jeez, it's sad.

But the artwork is glorious.
Why does the Surfer die? Isnt he invincible? Why does Galactus kill him?

What story is this you're referring to? It sounds good, i may read it.

[dark_b]

It seems plenty of people have noticed it, but according to HM, who is the person most likely to know out of anyone here, it is still LF. Very odd indeed.

[quote=Silver Knight;12965276]

What story is this you're referring to? It sounds good, i may read it.who knows. but when SS looks up on the street and says''he is here'' thats not LF :dry:

[Hellmistress]

It seems plenty of people have noticed it, but according to HM, who is the person most likely to know out of anyone here, it is still LF. Very odd indeed.

[quote=Silver Knight;12965276]

What story is this you're referring to? It sounds good, i may read it.

Yes, I would agree with you on the voice - but as far as I'm aware, it's Laurence Fishburne. But then, in reality, only Fox would know. Although I would be very surprised if it IS Doug, as I can't see them paying Mr. Fishburne his humungous fee and not use his voice for one of his perhaps 10 lines?

Doug has only seen the film once, and that was in a Budapest cinema - he won't have access to the DVD until he gets home in mid-November, so I have no idea what his thoughts on the matter would be, and I doubt he would say so publicly out of respect for the studio and Mr. Fishburne, whatever his view. So I guess unless Fox says "Hey - we used Doug's voice for that line, guys!" I doubt we'll ever know.

As for the Surfer storyline ... that's J.M. Straczynsky's 'Requiem.' Beautiful stuff.

HM

[Hellmistress]

Why does the Surfer die? Isnt he invincible? Why does Galactus kill him?

If you've read the series from start to finish, you'll know that the Surfer's silver covering begins to decay, and there is nothing that can be done to stop it. He embarks on his last great adventure, and ends up back with his people and the woman he loves, where he is revered as a hero and a great man. Galactus turns up and as a final gesture of honour and responsibility towards the man who was his greatest herald, he turns the Surfer into a star as he dies, and promises never to return to Zenn-La again.

HM

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

[quote=AVEITWITHJAMON;12965501]It seems plenty of people have noticed it, but according to HM, who is the person most likely to know out of anyone here, it is still LF. Very odd indeed.

who knows. but when SS looks up on the street and says''he is here'' thats not LF :dry:

Yeah, i didnt think that was or his lines before his confrontation with Galactus.

[quote=AVEITWITHJAMON;12965501]It seems plenty of people have noticed it, but according to HM, who is the person most likely to know out of anyone here, it is still LF. Very odd indeed.



Yes, I would agree with you on the voice - but as far as I'm aware, it's Laurence Fishburne. But then, in reality, only Fox would know. Although I would be very surprised if it IS Doug, as I can't see them paying Mr. Fishburne his humungous fee and not use his voice for one of his perhaps 10 lines?

Doug has only seen the film once, and that was in a Budapest cinema - he won't have access to the DVD until he gets home in mid-November, so I have no idea what his thoughts on the matter would be, and I doubt he would say so publicly out of respect for the studio and Mr. Fishburne, whatever his view. So I guess unless Fox says "Hey - we used Doug's voice for that line, guys!" I doubt we'll ever know.

As for the Surfer storyline ... that's J.M. Straczynsky's 'Requiem.' Beautiful stuff.

HM

So i suppose we'll never know for sure, but it definately doesnt sound like LF to me. Oh well, we can still deabte endlessly :woot: .

If you've read the series from start to finish, you'll know that the Surfer's silver covering begins to decay, and there is nothing that can be done to stop it. He embarks on his last great adventure, and ends up back with his people and the woman he loves, where he is revered as a hero and a great man. Galactus turns up and as a final gesture of honour and responsibility towards the man who was his greatest herald, he turns the Surfer into a star as he dies, and promises never to return to Zenn-La again.

HM

Sounds great, is it available in GN form?

[Iron Maiden]

Not yet but probably by the end of this year or early 2008. It just came out this past summer.

[Swordmaster]

The HC is due out in December, right before Christmas.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Awesome, thanks guys, sounds interesting i may pick it up.

[Silver Knight]

That is really sad, but a great story. How does he begin to look at the end of the series?

[The Phoenix II]

Ok, it's good to know that I'm not the only one hearing Doug's voice.

- At least half, if not all of the scene with Sue (the "I know you are there" is obviously Fishburne, but the rest is not)
- "He is here"
- and the bit about no longer serving

Fishburne and Dougie's voices just have different textures to them, you can hear it.

From Laurence Fishburne's point of view what does he care, he gets the paycheck and the credit anyway.

[Silver Knight]

So does Surfer turn back into human form before he dies?

[Hellmistress]

So does Surfer turn back into human form before he dies?

Kinda.

HM

[Silver Knight]

Care to elaborate?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Ok, it's good to know that I'm not the only one hearing Doug's voice.

- At least half, if not all of the scene with Sue (the "I know you are there" is obviously Fishburne, but the rest is not)
- "He is here"
- and the bit about no longer serving

Fishburne and Dougie's voices just have different textures to them, you can hear it.

From Laurence Fishburne's point of view what does he care, he gets the paycheck and the credit anyway.

I think everyone has noticed it, and its plain to me, when the Surfer confronts Galactus, that is not LF IMO, clearly it isnt in fact.

[Hellmistress]

I think everyone has noticed it, and its plain to me, when the Surfer confronts Galactus, that is not LF IMO, clearly it isnt in fact.

I agree it doesn't sound like him one bit - but the problem is, we'll probably never know one way or the other, dagnabbit. Oh well. :(

HM

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I agree it doesn't sound like him one bit - but the problem is, we'll probably never know one way or the other, dagnabbit. Oh well. :(

HM

We'll never know for sure, but watching the animated Hellboy movies, and listening to Doug's voice, i do think it sounds like Doug.

Hopefully, if an SS solo movie is made, Doug can voice Norrin Radd.

[Silver Knight]

SS movie will be made in about 4 years I say..

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I'm not sure it will get made at all considering the movie didnt do that well.

I hope so though, SS is a really cool character who's story would make a great movie if it was adapted well.

[Silver Knight]

Well for me the Surfer stole the movie.

I think it will happen..

[Advanced Dark]

I agree it doesn't sound like him one bit - but the problem is, we'll probably never know one way or the other, dagnabbit. Oh well. :(

HM

I asked Tim Story that question when the movie came out and he said it's Fishburn all the way through.

[Silver Knight]

AD, will there be a Surfer movie?

[Savage]

^I'm not sure it will get made at all considering the movie didnt do that well.

I hope so though, SS is a really cool character who's story would make a great movie if it was adapted well.

It'll be made. The movie made more than twice it's budget. Hellboy didn't even do that and it's sequel comes out next year. Same goes for The Punisher. This movie's take can really be compared to Hulk and the sequel for that is coming out next year as well. You want to see a movie that actually did bad with no hope whatsoever? Look at Elektra.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well for me the Surfer stole the movie.

I think it will happen..

Oh i agree 100%, i hope to god we get a Surfer movie, its just up in the air at the moment.

I asked Tim Story that question when the movie came out and he said it's Fishburn all the way through.

I have watched that scene so many times, and i can say for sure, that isnt Lawrence Fishbourne's voice. I wouldnt believe Tim anyway, he and Fox have lied before regarding this franchise.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It'll be made. The movie made more than twice it's budget. Hellboy didn't even do that and it's sequel comes out next year. Same goes for The Punisher. This movie's take can really be compared to Hulk and the sequel for that is coming out next year as well. You want to see a movie that actually did bad with no hope whatsoever? Look at Elektra.

Hulk is not getting a sequel, 5 years after the original it is getting a re-boot as is The Punisher, as for Hellboy, yes its getting a sequel, but comparatively the budget is the same as the first movie. Not good examples there buddy :yay: .

[Savage]

But...are their movies being made? :oldrazz: You said you're not sure that another Fantastic Four movie will be made because it didn't make much (yeah, twice your budget is bombing now I guess). I'm pointing out that these movies are getting sequels (or whatever you want to call it. We'll see if the original movies are retconned or not. Last I checked these aren't brand new origin movies). As for Hellboy, budget has nothing to do with the definition of a sequel.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

But...are their movies being made? :oldrazz: You said you're not sure that another Fantastic Four movie will be made because it didn't make much (yeah, twice your budget is bombing now I guess). I'm pointing out that these movies are getting sequels (or whatever you want to call it. We'll see if the original movies are retconned or not. Last I checked these aren't brand new origin movies). As for Hellboy, budget has nothing to do with the definition of a sequel.

No your right about HB, but being honest, its lucky to be getting a sequel.

Both the TIH and P:WZ crew have stated that they want to get away from the first movies completely, and this has been stated numerous times by both crew's.

No, they are not origin movies, but in both a different origin will referenced, so they are not in any way, shape or form sequels IMO.

[Advanced Dark]

There will be another FF movie. I think we all realize the competition was much stronger this time around, and the 1st film didn't leave too many people excited for the sequel. Most people thought the sequel was superior and fortunately the DVD sales are solid giving them another 25 million in sales and 9.4 million in rental revenue in week 1.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^If we do get one i dont think the budget will increase much from the 2nd movie, in which case i hope it doesnt happen.

[Savage]

No your right about HB, but being honest, its lucky to be getting a sequel.

Both the TIH and P:WZ crew have stated that they want to get away from the first movies completely, and this has been stated numerous times by both crew's.

No, they are not origin movies, but in both a different origin will referenced, so they are not in any way, shape or form sequels IMO.

The Punisher will reference a different origin? :huh: That one's news to me. Hulk's new synopsis confirmed the gamma explosion origin but The Punisher using a different origin is news to me.

Either way I do believe that these movies would not be getting made if it weren't for the movies that came before. Kickstarted in a way.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The Punisher will reference a different origin? :huh: That one's news to me. Hulk's new synopsis confirmed the gamma explosion origin but The Punisher using a different origin is news to me.

Either way I do believe that these movies would not be getting made if it weren't for the movies that came before. Kickstarted in a way.

Well, i think that the reason they are both getting re-booted is because of the movies that came before, and the respective studio's were so dissapointed in them. I personally dont see that as a sequel in any way, shape or form, but thats just me.

[SymbioteKal-El]

Did anyone else think it seemed as though the Surfer was ready to die when Dr.Doom threw the board spear at him?

He didnt make any attempt to move out of the way and if it wasnt for Sue he would have died, its an interesting concept to think he was ready for death at that point when Earth was about to be destroyed with him still on it.

[Savage]

It is a pretty good loophole out of his curse. He wouldn't have to disobey Galactus or anything. Since he doesn't turn on him, he doesn't go back on his deal, his planet is still spared. Galactus is a being of his word.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Did anyone else think it seemed as though the Surfer was ready to die when Dr.Doom threw the board spear at him?

He didnt make any attempt to move out of the way and if it wasnt for Sue he would have died, its an interesting concept to think he was ready for death at that point when Earth was about to be destroyed with him still on it.

I thought that, but i also thought it is what finally motivated SS to save earth when Sue jumped in front of him.

It is a pretty good loophole out of his curse. He wouldn't have to disobey Galactus or anything. Since he doesn't turn on him, he doesn't go back on his deal, his planet is still spared. Galactus is a being of his word.

True, but at the same time, wouldnt he want to eventually get back to Zenn-La and Shalla-bal?

[Red Mask]

I finally got the DVD today. I was so impressed that Doug Jones was actually in full costume and make-up for the film. Besides Ben Grimm, Hellboy, and Abe Sapien, that's the best costume and make-up so far!

[Silver Knight]

So still no news at all on this?

I dont see it comeing out before 2010.

[Kelly]

There won't be any until the writer's strike is done......even though a script was said to have been chosen......it would go through numerous changes before shooting began. Without writers, there are no changes....

[Silver Knight]

^What year are we looking at for a relese date?

[Kelly]

^What year are we looking at for a relese date?

That depends on the writer's strike.....

I've heard they have a, or at least, have an idea of a director.
They have a script.

So possibly 2009.....depends on when they can get started filming....they could actually begin filming, and have rewrites as they go, which most movies have anyway....

[Silver Knight]

Hopefully Kel, I would LOVE to see a Surfer movie!

[Advanced Dark]

My kids were down in San Diego today with my mom at some sort of event or parade tha was going on filled with celebreties. Anyways both of my daughters know that I met Doug Jones a few times and said they saw him there and also got a FF poster at the event too. I haven't seen the poster yet. My mom snapped some pics so if she got one of Doug I'll post it here and on his myspace site though I'm sure they'll be online elsewhere too.

[Silver Knight]

Cool, cant wait to see the poster..

[Advanced Dark]

http://www.cbs8.com/stories/story.109374.html

It was probably an old poster but this was the event. ^^^

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I really do hope we get an SS movie, as i have said before it would really have the scope to show us something different on the big screen we havent in a good while, possibly ever, if they go ahead with it and find the right director, as well as giving that director the freedom he needs.

[Advanced Dark]

Ok it wasn't Doug...he just told me he's still in Hungary.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Ok it wasn't Doug...he just told me he's still in Hungary.

What wasnt Doug AD?

[Silver Knight]

The guy at San Diego I think?

[Hellmistress]

Definitely not Doug. He wrapped filming Hellboy 2 just a couple of days ago and got back to the States yesterday, where he is attending Mid-Ohio Con today.

HM

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Definitely not Doug. He wrapped filming Hellboy 2 just a couple of days ago and got back to the States yesterday, where he is attending Mid-Ohio Con today.

HM

Still no news on SS?

[Hellmistress]

Still no news on SS?

Not yet, sorry.

HM

[Silver Knight]

Oh and dont expect any news soon..

[Advanced Dark]

I'd expect news in 2008 for a 2010-2011 release date on either SS or FF3.

[Mercurius]

I'd expect news in 2008 for a 2010-2011 release date on either SS or FF3.


It's better be SS. And with another director this time.

Someone who understands what Marvel characters are about. :whatever:

[Advanced Dark]

If it's SS then yeah it needs a new director of course. FF3 should close out this run with the same cast and crew.

[Silver Knight]

I doubt that there will be a FF3.

[Brian Braddock]

Anyone any views about how they'd show Norrid Radd in pre SS form on Zenn-La?

Could they use Jones and dub him with Fishburne again or would it look hokey, seeing as how it wouldn't be altered with Special effects?

Could a voice loop pass the grade?

[Hellmistress]

Anyone any views about how they'd show Norrid Radd in pre SS form on Zenn-La?

Could they use Jones and dub him with Fishburne again or would it look hokey, seeing as how it wouldn't be altered with Special effects?

Could a voice loop pass the grade?

Why dub? Doug can play Norrin just as well as he played the Surfer. And don't say the continuity would be compromised, becasue that's just plain hooey. He's already back voicing Abe Sapien in HELLBOY II and the animated films, and has had nothing but praise. He did a great Surfer voice. He should play ALL of Norrin if the film comes to pass.

HM

[Brian Braddock]

Why dub? Doug can play Norrin just as well as he played the Surfer. And don't say the continuity would be compromised, becasue that's just plain hooey. He's already back voicing Abe Sapien in HELLBOY II and the animated films, and has had nothing but praise. He did a great Surfer voice. He should play ALL of Norrin if the film comes to pass.

HM


You got me intrigued HM - are there parts of ROTSS where Doug's own voice was left in? If so, I'll definately have to re-visit the movie and listen as in truth I've never heard Doug speak in the HB animated series so I wouldnt know what he sounds like, but I wouldnt mind finding out.

If you insist that he has the vocal tools to voice the Surfer with as much gravitas as Fishburne then that's good enough for me, given that your'e way more knowledgeable about such things than I am.

Is it enough for the Studio though? :huh:

[Hellmistress]

You got me intrigued HM - are there parts of ROTSS where Doug's own voice was left in? If so, I'll definately have to re-visit the movie and listen as in truth I've never heard Doug speak in the HB animated series so I wouldnt know what he sounds like, but I wouldnt mind finding out.

If you insist that he has the vocal tools to voice the Surfer with as much gravitas as Fishburne then that's good enough for me, given that your'e way more knowledgeable about such things than I am.

Is it enough for the Studio though? :huh:

Well, as far as Fox is concerned, ALL of the voice in the film is Mr. Fishburne's. Others disagree, but I honestly can't say - and I'm not trying to be facetious. I really don't know. But I HAVE heard Doug's voice for the Surfer, and he did a great job, with a LOT more gravitas than Mr. Fishburne, who - in my opinion - missed a lot of the nuances and feel of the actual scenes, and whose reception as the voice of the character received mixed reviews. Doug couldn't do any worse than that, believe me, and would probably do a whole lot better.

But, as always, it's a moot point, and nothing more than very wishful thinking on my part that Doug would voice the Surfer in another film. But he SHOULD voice Norrin. That would be great. But then, it is, as always, Fox's decision in the end, and they appear to think they know best when it comes to such matters. After all, they made the decision to give the beautiful Ms. Alba blonde hair and blue eyes, thus obviously making her look so much like the comic book Sue Storm, so who am I to argue? :cwink:

HM

[Brian Braddock]

I get what your'e saying entirely.

I'm sure Fox will make the right decision, just as they always do. ;)

[The Joker_1000]

Pft, when Fox makes the right decision will be when Hell has finally frozen over.

[Silver Knight]

Pft, when Fox makes the right decision will be when Hell has finally frozen over.
My thoughts exactly.

Fox have no idea.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, as far as Fox is concerned, ALL of the voice in the film is Mr. Fishburne's. Others disagree, but I honestly can't say - and I'm not trying to be facetious. I really don't know. But I HAVE heard Doug's voice for the Surfer, and he did a great job, with a LOT more gravitas than Mr. Fishburne, who - in my opinion - missed a lot of the nuances and feel of the actual scenes, and whose reception as the voice of the character received mixed reviews. Doug couldn't do any worse than that, believe me, and would probably do a whole lot better.

But, as always, it's a moot point, and nothing more than very wishful thinking on my part that Doug would voice the Surfer in another film. But he SHOULD voice Norrin. That would be great. But then, it is, as always, Fox's decision in the end, and they appear to think they know best when it comes to such matters. After all, they made the decision to give the beautiful Ms. Alba blonde hair and blue eyes, thus obviously making her look so much like the comic book Sue Storm, so who am I to argue? :cwink:

HM

I made this point a while ago, i dont mind if LF stays as the voice of the Surfer in a possible SS movie, but IMO Doug should do the voice for Norrin Radd, i think it would show a nice contrast and would also show how much of Norrin Radd was lost once he became The Silver Surfer.

That would work out great IMO, as i did like LF as the voice of SS.

[Cagefighterkip]

according to stracinksi (j michael however you say his last name) said at comic-con, that the cloud was the energy exuded from Galactus, and the comic book version of Galactus will be the big reveal in the SILVER SURFER movie.

http://movies.ign.com/articles/808/808908p1.html

[Kelly]

Cool....

[The Joker_1000]

FOX better not disappoint, I really want to see the humanoid Galactus in the Silver Surfer movie.

[Mercurius]

Careful with what you want. :o

I'm sure Fox can twist that in such a way you would regret your most cherished dreams. :woot:

I'm kiddin', but I'm also hoping that some kind of ilumination has fallen over the heads of those execs after those two unfortunate experiences and, who knows? perhaps the new Hulk and Iron Man can teach them how to respect the source material and develop an intelligent translation of it to the movies.

I'd be glad. :yay:

[Silver Knight]

If Fox will do this right it wont be before 2010.

[The Joker_1000]

Careful with what you want. :o

I'm sure Fox can twist that in such a way you would regret your most cherished dreams. :woot:

I'm kiddin', but I'm also hoping that some kind of ilumination has fallen over the heads of those execs after those two unfortunate experiences and, who knows? perhaps the new Hulk and Iron Man can teach them how to respect the source material and develop an intelligent translation of it to the movies.

I'd be glad. :yay:


I'll just be glad to get a Silver Surfer movie that has Galactus in true form. I'm sure they won't do anything truly horrible to the character. What FOX needs to do is make a reboot of the character & start from scratch so that his power doesn't come from his board.

[Cagefighterkip]

hey
isn't Alex Proya directing SILVER SURFER?

[Kelly]

That is a rumor....

[Silver Knight]

Is that good or bad news?

[Cagefighterkip]

Is that good or bad news?

considering he made THE CROW and DARK CITY two of the best films of the 1990s, prolly a good thing... plus hes making DRACULA YEAR 1 at universal, which sounds really good...

[Silver Knight]

Nice, then indeed it is good news.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'll just be glad to get a Silver Surfer movie that has Galactus in true form. I'm sure they won't do anything truly horrible to the character. What FOX needs to do is make a reboot of the character & start from scratch so that his power doesn't come from his board.

I know, i hate the fact that they made the Surfer's source of his power the board, it was a stupid decision and the easy way out for the filmmakers and one i hope they will retcon in a possible SS movie.

But enough with the re-boots already, its going to far now IMO.

[highguard]

^^ All you need to do is have SS say in the movie that the board is a part of him, a physical manifestation of a portion of his power cosmic. That is actually what it is in the comics.

A single 20 second explanation. It actually agrees somewhat with what was done in FF2. This is not a biggie IMHO.

Now when they sit down to talk about movies I would suggest that they remember the FF is an established franchise and that maybe they should make sure they don't push SS at the expense of FF and ruin two franchises at the same time. These are two separate franchises and they should avoid another elektra fiasco.

[dark_b]

why are there no HD screencaps of silver surfer?

is there noone who has teh HD at home?

[The Joker_1000]

I just got the DVD today for Christmas & I still believe that Doug Jones & Lawrence Fishburne did a great job of portraying the Silver Surfer. The make-up was just amazing, I couldn't believe how realistic it looked. Hopefully it'll still look that good for the sequel.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^^ All you need to do is have SS say in the movie that the board is a part of him, a physical manifestation of a portion of his power cosmic. That is actually what it is in the comics.

A single 20 second explanation. It actually agrees somewhat with what was done in FF2. This is not a biggie IMHO.

Now when they sit down to talk about movies I would suggest that they remember the FF is an established franchise and that maybe they should make sure they don't push SS at the expense of FF and ruin two franchises at the same time. These are two separate franchises and they should avoid another elektra fiasco.

Not sure whether that would work though, it was made pretty clear in the movie that him and his board are not one entity IMO. It was pretty much stated that the board is 'the source' of his power by SS himself.

A more plausible option would be that when SS does step off the board, he can absorb power from it so he isnt weakened when he steps off it.

[the a1ant]

Have these been posted before?

http://www.quantumcreationfx.com/
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v44/catwomanmovie/33.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v44/catwomanmovie/22.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v44/catwomanmovie/11.jpg

[Kelly]

lol....nope

[Hellmistress]

Quantum Creation FX didn't do the makeup or the design for the Surfer in the film - these must be really early ideas, before Spectral came on the scene. Jose Fernandez of Spectral Motion designed the Surfer, and the suit was also designed by them. This head isn't like the finished head of the suit, which is more defined and moulded, and based on Doug's features. And, as you may have noticed, the finished Surfer has defined ears.

I chatted a lot with some of the guys who worked on the Surfer when I was in Budapest on the Hellboy II set, and I remember Bart Mixon, who worked on Ben Grimm, saying he would have preferred that the Surfer didn't have ears, as in the comics - but as far as I'm aware it was a studio decision to give the Surfer ears.

I've seen the face of the Surfer suit up close, and it's quite spectacular. This design is a lot more featureless and indistinct.

HM

[bubbadoom]

The above images are from a make-up test Quantum Creations did in hopes of winning the assignment of creating the Surfer make-up/costume for the film. The design used does have more character in the face, but the lack of ears is truer to the Kirby design [you wouldn't put ears on Spider-Man, would you!?!].

And NO ONE got the eyes right...

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The eyes should have just been white like in the comics/cartoon, it would have made him seem more alien in the movie IMO.

And yeah, the design of the SS in the movie was better than those one's above, however, i think the design of The Thing showed on the his thread is better than what we got in the movie.

[Hellmistress]

The above images are from a make-up test Quantum Creations did in hopes of winning the assignment of creating the Surfer make-up/costume for the film. The design used does have more character in the face, but the lack of ears is truer to the Kirby design [you wouldn't put ears on Spider-Man, would you!?!].

And NO ONE got the eyes right...

While I like the design, I think Spectral did the better job. I wonder what the reasoning was behind putting ears on the Surfer? Why not keep him closer to the comic design? Anybody know? As for the eyes ... perhaps the dark eyes were intended to give him more humanity? I didn't mind them so much, but as you pointed out ... they ain't like the comic.

HM

[Kelly]

The eyes should have just been white like in the comics/cartoon, it would have made him seem more alien in the movie IMO.

And yeah, the design of the SS in the movie was better than those one's above, however, i think the design of The Thing showed on the his thread is better than what we got in the movie.


My sister who knew/knows nothing of the SS comic, said that she loved how they did his eyes because it gave her a glimpse within, and made her care about this weird looking character.......I loved the eyes as they were in the movie....

I understand how somethings should definitely not be changed from the comics, this was not one of them IMO.

[bubbadoom]

In the comics [originally], the eyes appeared to be ablaze with cosmic energy and not just white. This was due, in part, to the concept that the Surfer was never a living being, but rather a creature created from cosmic energy by Galactus [solid cosmic energy, if you will]. Of course, this was all contradicted by Stan's origin a few years later, but he still retained the eyes burning with energy.

To have the eyes just silver like the rest of his seems a little dull to me. Like the ears, not a major change but another unnecessary one that takes him a little farther away form the source

[DoctorJones]

I was very happy with the Surfer's overall design in the film. I know a lot of people complain about his chrome-lighting as like a T-1000 rip-off, but I liked that.

[bubbadoom]

Hey, I thought the Surfer worked out fine in the movie, too. I think a few little tweaks [no ears, cosmic power eyes] would have made him better and truer to the comics, but I know it could have been a lot worse! As for the T-1000, well who was ripping off who?

[TNC9852002]

lol. There shouldn't be a discussion anymore about this T-1000 thing.

-TNC

[DoctorJones]

Exactly, my point is that the comparisons were always silly and ignorant.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

My sister who knew/knows nothing of the SS comic, said that she loved how they did his eyes because it gave her a glimpse within, and made her care about this weird looking character.......I loved the eyes as they were in the movie....

I understand how somethings should definitely not be changed from the comics, this was not one of them IMO.

I dont know, the eyes made him look a bit too human in my eyes, he is an alien after all, but he came accross as a bit too human in nature for me.

[Kelly]

I dont know, the eyes made him look a bit too human in my eyes, he is an alien after all, but he came accross as a bit too human in nature for me.

But his nature is human to an extent, in that THAT is the part of him that connected with Sue......for an audience that is not that familiar with the SS, I think they needed to see a human capacity to him.......if not, they would have felt nothing for him......most of the audience does not have the luxury of years with this character.....you had 89 minutes.....and without seeing into the depths of his anguish, and desire to actually do the right thing, without the eyes, IMO that would not have come across.

[X-Maniac]

But his nature is human to an extent, in that THAT is the part of him that connected with Sue......for an audience that is not that familiar with the SS, I think they needed to see a human capacity to him.......if not, they would have felt nothing for him......most of the audience does not have the luxury of years with this character.....you had 89 minutes.....and without seeing into the depths of his anguish, and desire to actually do the right thing, without the eyes, IMO that would not have come across.

Totally agree. He had to have some humanity, he had to be relatable in some way for the audience. And regarding the board being a power source, that's also to give him some human vulnerability, so he can be defeated and captured, so we can feel sorry for him; or he'd just blast his way out of every corner.

[Noir]

Who else feel so uncomfortable with the Fishborne voice..? it so poorly done.

[Milu]

Who else feel so uncomfortable with the Fishborne voice..? it so poorly done.
It felt very shoe-horned.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

But his nature is human to an extent, in that THAT is the part of him that connected with Sue......for an audience that is not that familiar with the SS, I think they needed to see a human capacity to him.......if not, they would have felt nothing for him......most of the audience does not have the luxury of years with this character.....you had 89 minutes.....and without seeing into the depths of his anguish, and desire to actually do the right thing, without the eyes, IMO that would not have come across.

I think they would have related to him once they he had the talk with Sue no matter what his eyes looked like. I know he is human in nature, but he is still an alien, and didnt come accross like one IMO. He could just as easily been a human who many years ago gave his servitude to Galactus in order to save earth, but then forgot what earth looked like.

They should have made him more alien like in the earlier scene's, then once he talked, and finally turned against Galactus, i think people would have had no problem relating to him.

[Kelly]

I think they would have related to him once they he had the talk with Sue no matter what his eyes looked like. I know he is human in nature, but he is still an alien, and didnt come accross like one IMO. He could just as easily been a human who many years ago gave his servitude to Galactus in order to save earth, but then forgot what earth looked like.

They should have made him more alien like in the earlier scene's, then once he talked, and finally turned against Galactus, i think people would have had no problem relating to him.

Men maybe....but women.....no......women go for the eyes to see the true feelings.....they don't just listen to the tone of the voice, they want to see it in the eyes as well.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Fair enough, we just disagree.

But i thought SS should have come accross more alien-like in the early scene's.

Anyhow, any news on an SS movie yet?

[Silver Knight]

Can someone please post pics of Surfer de powered.

Thanks.

[Kelly]

There are some already in this thread....

[Silver Knight]

Ive looked yet found nothing.

[Kelly]

If I have some time this evening, I'll do some screen caps from the DVD.

[Advanced Dark]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=147912

:)

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^For what the Silver Surfer movie entails Straczynski says it will cover the origin of the character. He said it will feature Galactus, noting that the latest Fantastic Four film held off on showing Galactus to reveal him for this film.

Interesting, when is this article from AD? Anyway, it still doesnt confirm anything, but its encouraging that the script is written.

Although i dont understand why they are doing an origin movie, surely the events at the end of FF2 need to be addressed also?

[Silver Knight]

If I have some time this evening, I'll do some screen caps from the DVD.
Thank you.

:)

[The Man of Steel]

SS was awesome in FF2, but the film it self was awful

[theShape]

SS was awesome in FF2, but the film it self was awful

If you were a rich man...

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

SS was awesome in FF2, but the film it self was awful

If SS wasnt in this movie i probably wouldnt have re-watched it, he simply makes the movie. I just hope the planned SS movie lives up to its potential but its doubtful at Fox.

[TheShadowCat]

Can someone please post pics of Surfer de powered.

Thanks.
http://www.thedougjonesexperience.com/fan4behind.htm

There's only a couple shots of him powered down and they're a little fuzzy, but I don't know how to do screen caps myself.

>^..^<

[TheShadowCat]

If SS wasnt in this movie i probably wouldnt have re-watched it, he simply makes the movie. I just hope the planned SS movie lives up to its potential but its doubtful at Fox.
:ss:Doug was incredible as SS. However, I cringed every time he opened his mouth. I'd really like to find the studio suit who thought Fishburne was a good idea and have the idiot publicly flogged.:bomb:

>^..^<

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

:ss:Doug was incredible as SS. However, I cringed every time he opened his mouth. I'd really like to find the studio suit who thought Fishburne was a good idea and have the idiot publicly flogged.:bomb:

>^..^<

I didnt think LF was that bad as SS's voice, his voice was just a little too deep, i would have loved to hear Doug's voice, just to see if it fit the character any better.

I hope Doug does return for the SS movie.

[Hellmistress]

I didnt think LF was that bad as SS's voice, his voice was just a little too deep, i would have loved to hear Doug's voice, just to see if it fit the character any better.

I hope Doug does return for the SS movie.

Thinking back on it, Doug lowered his voice pitch for the Surfer, and gave him a deeper, more measured timbre. It worked just fine for me (and yes, I know I'm biased.). :D

HM

[TheShadowCat]

I didnt think LF was that bad as SS's voice, his voice was just a little too deep, i would have loved to hear Doug's voice, just to see if it fit the character any better.

I hope Doug does return for the SS movie.
Exactly my point. His voice was too deep and it just distracted me from enjoying the movie. The studio could have saved themselves a bundle of money if they hadn't been such idiots.

>^..^<

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Thinking back on it, Doug lowered his voice pitch for the Surfer, and gave him a deeper, more measured timbre. It worked just fine for me (and yes, I know I'm biased.). :D

HM

I think a bit of a lighter toned voice would have fit better for the character. I couldnt say without hearing Doug's SS voice.

Exactly my point. His voice was too deep and it just distracted me from enjoying the movie. The studio could have saved themselves a bundle of money if they hadn't been such idiots.

>^..^<

Its Fox, what do you expect? :cwink:

[luke1234]

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/lukecloran/surferposter.jpg
didnt know where to put this but heres a poster i made for his own movie

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

And can i just say what an awesome poster! Honestly thats brilliant, a poster like that would get me salivating at the mouth in anticipation for this movie.

If they are going to get SS going they need to hurry IMO, people soon forget and its not as if FF2 was a memorable movie anyway, they want to strike while the character is still fresh in the public's mind IMO. Unless Fox is actually using their brains for once and taking their time so people do forget the FF movies.

[Mekleo33]

Well the X-men director did try an plan ALL comic book movies EVER to only go by the Marvel mythos. Since 2 is out an we are now headed off in all kinds of directions. I don't understand the "they" always talk about to be more important then lil ole me.

[Kelly]

Well the X-men director did try an plan ALL comic book movies EVER to only go by the Marvel mythos. Since 2 is out an we are now headed off in all kinds of directions. I don't understand the "they" always talk about to be more important then lil ole me.

What?

[Silver Knight]

http://www.thedougjonesexperience.com/fan4behind.htm

There's only a couple shots of him powered down and they're a little fuzzy, but I don't know how to do screen caps myself.

>^..^<
Thanks mate.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If Silver Surfer goes back to Marvel studio's how do you think they will do him? Will they do a sequel to FF2, or just start again?

Personally, I think it would be awesome, IF Marvel got the rights back to FF also, for Marvel to make an FF re-boot and a Silver Surfer origin story at the same time, bring SS out a year after the first FF, then make FF 2 with the TRUE story of SS and Galactus, and while we are at it, get rid of that ******** "his board is the source of his power" storyline they concocted. Then carry on with both franchises from there. I do hope we see SS on the silver screen once again sometime soon.

[Silver Knight]

I just want to see a movie with Surfer suurfing around worlds and fighting aliens.

The movie itself has soo much potential.

[Sgt. Fury]

If Silver Surfer goes back to Marvel studio's how do you think they will do him? Will they do a sequel to FF2, or just start again?

Personally, I think it would be awesome, IF Marvel got the rights back to FF also, for Marvel to make an FF re-boot and a Silver Surfer origin story at the same time, bring SS out a year after the first FF, then make FF 2 with the TRUE story of SS and Galactus, and while we are at it, get rid of that ******** "his board is the source of his power" storyline they concocted. Then carry on with both franchises from there. I do hope we see SS on the silver screen once again sometime soon.
I believe that if another movie is made starring the Silver Surfer, they will ignore FF2 and make it an origin story.

[FaT_tONle]

Here is how this might play out... 2012 rolls around and Marvel and Fox are sitting there at the table discussing the future of the Fantastic Four franchise... Marvel gives them no leeway whatsoever to allow Fox to extend their FF rights beyond one more movie max. Realizing that Fox is going to lose it anyway they can decide one of two things.... make one last ditch attempt at a sequel to FF2... OR do Silver Surfer. I think they will lean toward the latter... HOWEVER... I don't see Fox making the film because the budget would be too high for them IMO. So I think it will end up similar to TIH... where Fox distributes and Marvel ends up being the studio that actually makes Silver Surfer as movie one of possibly a new string of films (ala Dr. Strange, Namor) that ultimately lead to a Defenders movie. That way Marvel is able to extend these characters without having to worry about making each of them their own franchise.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I believe if Fox dont make another FF movie by 2010/11 they lose the rights.

[FaT_tONle]

They get five years though no?

[Obi-Ron]

Personally, I think it would be awesome, IF Marvel got the rights back to FF .

If for no other reason than to do Dr. Doom right.
Oh, and Hulk vs. Thing.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

They get five years though no?

I believe its 3, I may be wrong.

[Jordacar]

^I believe if Fox dont make another FF movie by 2010/11 they lose the rights.By "make" do you mean start shooting or release?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I think its release, but I cant be certain, i am basing all of this on memory, and though my memory is very good, it cant be right all of the time, so i could be wrong.

[dark_b]

http://mag.awn.com/index.php?ltype=Special+Features&category2=&article_no=3325&page=1

i guess i was right at the beginning. when he has hes powers tehy created a CGI silver surfer. so doug jones was there only for reference.when he has no powers its 100% doug.

behind the scenes pics
http://www.thedougjonesexperience.com/fan4behind.htm

[Hellmistress]

http://mag.awn.com/index.php?ltype=Special+Features&category2=&article_no=3325&page=1

i guess i was right at the beginning. when he has hes powers tehy created a CGI silver surfer. so doug jones was there only for reference.when he has no powers its 100% doug.

behind the scenes pics
http://www.thedougjonesexperience.com/fan4behind.htm

Sigh. Did you bother to read the sentences attached to these pictures? The sheen was added as a finishing touch. Sheesh. If you do mo-cap you wear a mo-cap suit. You do NOT spend oodles of dosh creating a Silver Surfer suit (and it was a substantial amount, BTW), spend nearly 3 hours every day putting Doug INTO the suit, and then totally erase it using CG. Use your noggin!

HM

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, looks like we wont be seeing a Surfer movie any time soon, as gutted as I am perhaps it is for the best, with Fox's involvement and all. I wonder when the right will officially return to Marvel?

[FaT_tONle]

Probably after 2012...

[Silver Knight]

Sufer movie in 2013?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

2014/15 seems more accurate at this point. It will be a big special effects movie after all.

[dark_b]

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3515/silversurfers.jpg (http://img269.imageshack.us/i/silversurfers.jpg/)

[Compi716]

What's that from?

[bubbadoom]

That looks like the motion coach, Terry Notary, working with Doug in the set of Reed's lab. I think this was the scene where the Surfer destroys the tracking device Reed built.

[Hellmistress]

Yep, that's Terry Notary, who helped Doug do final tweaks to the movements for the Surfer which Doug had come up with from Kirby's work.

HM

[The Sarge]

The surfer was done really well in the film. The costume they made is amazing too, still impressed everytime I see it.
If any SS films happen again anytime soon, I'll be disapointed if it's not done in a similar fashion with Doug Jones.

[The Sarge]

The surfer was done really well in the film. The costume they made is amazing too, still impressed everytime I see it.
If any SS films happen again anytime soon, I'll be disapointed if it's not done in a similar fashion with Doug Jones.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I hope the design is the same and Doug gets to play him, but they need to do away with that whole "the board is the source of my power" ****.

[Hellmistress]

^I hope the design is the same and Doug gets to play him, but they need to do away with that whole "the board is the source of my power" ****.

Absolutely. It was such nonsense and so disrespectful to the original material. And I want him to say "To me, my board!" Doug tried to get them to include it in the dialogue, but it was a no-go. Oh well.

HM

[bubbadoom]

Yeah, they shot him saying it in the streets in China, but it was cut [?]!

The only change I would make to the design we got in FF2 would be to loose the ears and make the eyes more like Kirby's [bigger and ablaze with cosmic energy!].

[bubbadoom]

Yeah, they shot him saying it in the streets in China, but it was cut [?]!

The only change I would make to the design we got in FF2 would be to loose the ears and make the eyes more like Kirby's [bigger and ablaze with cosmic energy!].

[Hellmistress]

Notary's pic was also of a scene that was shot but ended up on the cutting room floor, when the Surfer visits the F4's penthouse to destroy their tracking machine. It was shot in Vancouver in October, 2006.

HM

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Absolutely. It was such nonsense and so disrespectful to the original material. And I want him to say "To me, my board!" Doug tried to get them to include it in the dialogue, but it was a no-go. Oh well.

HM

Totally agreed, the Surfer is so much more than just his board, to me it was the easy way out of explaining his powers, it was a joke.

Yeah, they shot him saying it in the streets in China, but it was cut [?]!The only change I would make to the design we got in FF2 would be to loose the ears and make the eyes more like Kirby's [bigger and ablaze with cosmic energy!].

Doesnt surprise me, this is Fox after all!

Notary's pic was also of a scene that was shot but ended up on the cutting room floor, when the Surfer visits the F4's penthouse to destroy their tracking machine. It was shot in Vancouver in October, 2006.

HM

Why the hell was that cut please? Were there many deleted scene's involving the Surfer HM?

[Hellmistress]

Totally agreed, the Surfer is so much more than just his board, to me it was the easy way out of explaining his powers, it was a joke.



Doesnt surprise me, this is Fox after all!



Why the hell was that cut please? Were there many deleted scene's involving the Surfer HM?

To be honest, I really don't know. Why Fox couldn't include them on the DVD I have no idea - but then they also completely excluded Spectral Motion's design of the suit and so forth, and emphasised the CG side of it. Weird, rather sad, but true. Personally I would have loved to have seen the film expanded a bit - it was too short, rather slapdash and would have benefited from more depth to ALL of their characters, especially when introducing such a phenomenal character as the Surfer.

And it wouldn't have hurt if they had paid attention to the original material, too. I don't mind the fact he had the hint of ears, I suppose, although I know Kirby didn't draw the Surfer with ears - but at least it gave Dougie something to perch his sunglasses on when he was filming up on Whistler Glacier! :D But the eyes ... yep,some cosmic energy certainly wouldn't have come amiss. Just one more messin' with the origins, I guess.

HM

[bubbadoom]

Of course the Surfer did not look "bad" with the ears, but he did not look any "better" with them [and I can not think of any artist who did put ears on him].

The scene of him destroying Reed's tracking device came before his big reveal during the Johnny chase, and all that was seen was his arm, so we did not really miss much. However, I do agree that the movie should have been longer - more in the 2:15 range like Spider-Man, Star Wars, etc.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

To be honest, I really don't know. Why Fox couldn't include them on the DVD I have no idea - but then they also completely excluded Spectral Motion's design of the suit and so forth, and emphasised the CG side of it. Weird, rather sad, but true. Personally I would have loved to have seen the film expanded a bit - it was too short, rather slapdash and would have benefited from more depth to ALL of their characters, especially when introducing such a phenomenal character as the Surfer.

And it wouldn't have hurt if they had paid attention to the original material, too. I don't mind the fact he had the hint of ears, I suppose, although I know Kirby didn't draw the Surfer with ears - but at least it gave Dougie something to perch his sunglasses on when he was filming up on Whistler Glacier! :D But the eyes ... yep,some cosmic energy certainly wouldn't have come amiss. Just one more messin' with the origins, I guess.

HM

It all just reeked of laziness from the film-makers and studio's in the end to me, I just dont understand how you make a movie about the end of the world 82 mins, even with Fox '90 minute rule' and after all that screw up the origing of a fabulous character lik SS and ruin Galactus even more.

[The Caped Knight]

I hope that in the Silver Surfer movie that we at the very least get an accurate detailed portrayal of Galactus .

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee124/creed6267/stocks/wallpaper_marvel_ultimate_alliance_.jpg?t=12615909 85

[Brian Braddock]

History tells me not to bet my house on it.

[Silver Knight]

Any update on a SS movie?

[TheVileOne]

The only update is that Fox has no plans for it. Their only alleged plans are to "reboot" Fantastic Four.

[co2]

Silver Surfer could be the greatest Marvel film that will never happen. :(

[Silver Knight]

The only update is that Fox has no plans for it. Their only alleged plans are to "reboot" Fantastic Four.
This doesnt sound good at all.

[Aesop Rocks]

I'd kill to see a trilogy.

-Origins/working for Galactus.
-Fighting Galactus
-Requiem.

:awesome:

That's just me...

[Brian Braddock]

Silver Surfer could be the greatest Marvel film that will never happen. :(

Hmmm, we'll see.

Perhaps, if Green Lantern is a success, it may light a fire under Fox's asses and get SS greenlit.

Only thing we've got to worry about then is that it's still Fox who are making it.

:doh: