SILVER SURFER/ Lawrence Fishburne, Doug Jones Discussion Thread

[Dragon]

Some people are happy focusing on the negative and hanging out at boards for films they don't like instead of the ones they do. Not that that is what he's doing but just something I've noticed in general around here.

That's not the purpose at all. When characters you love are being trashed with these subpar films, it makes you want to say something- just as if you enjoy the films you want to praise them. Neither is a more valid activity than the other.

[Kelly]

*shrug* I actually really enjoyed the FF movie. It really did capture the characters well. It was a very strong character driven movie...it wasn't an epic battle...it was a story about heroes adjusting to their newfound powers and their interaction with each other. Both of which were done very well.

Its very cool that you enjoyed the movie, I enjoyed parts as well.....BUT for me, the lack of character building was the weakest point of the movie....partly writing, partly editing...but I have to disagree with the point of strong character driven movie...

You had actors that were ready, willing, and excited to become the characters some new, and some were learning about........I think the actors were let down....they gave the performance, but the performance was shredded on the editing room floor....(IMHO):)

[Kelly]

That's not the purpose at all. When characters you love are being trashed with these subpar films, it makes you want to say something- just as if you enjoy the films you want to praise them. Neither is a more valid activity than the other.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233002

HL needs some love....;)

[Advanced Dark]

That's not the purpose at all. When characters you love are being trashed with these subpar films, it makes you want to say something- just as if you enjoy the films you want to praise them. Neither is a more valid activity than the other.

Well Fox has the rights and I don't see a line of directors that were jumping to make the first one. There's confidence within the studio in this franchise now as there was not before.

[Bishop2]

I hope the third party in the new love triangle is Alyssa Moy. So this time maybe Reed could have two people into him instead.

[Mr. Vice]

:o I just hope it's better than the first movie...

[Carp Man]

I hope the third party in the new love triangle is Alyssa Moy. So this time maybe Reed could have two people into him instead.

Another women going after Reed ? After he's allready engaged to Sue ? Hell hath no fury, like an invisable woman scorned.

[Bishop2]

Another women going after Reed ? After he's allready engaged to Sue ? Hell hath no fury, like an invisable woman scorned.

Of course he'd choose Sue. ;)

[Advanced Dark]

I find it interesting in today's news David O. Russell is in talks to direct an Emma Frost film when he was also in talks per Avi to direct Silver Surfer. I guess the Silver Surfer movie got put on hold since Fox smartened up and made his first film appearance in FF2 as it should be.

[tallsy_1]

How about Chris Carmack? Now before we start talking about the O.C., he was great off-Broadway in a play with Alec Baldwin. And plus I don't think SS requires great acting anyways. I always see SS as a comic version of Billy Budd. Pure.

[Ben Grimm]

The plot is pretty simple to figure out. Go read Fantastic Four 57-59 Vol. 1. That's the answer. Doom will steal SS power's and then Sue will accidentally get them making her the strongest for a short time, and also insane, until they transfer them back to the Surfer. This would also set up for Galactus showing up in FF3. And the love triangle will be with be with Ben and Reed vying for Sue. I just have a real sick feeling Fox would do that to us. Also I can just picture Jessica screaming on the top of her lungs using her powers, and me just cringing... I'm scared someone hold me.

Punching out.

[Attikus]

I heard first hand that Brit-thesp Charlie Hunnam (British version of Queer as Folk and star of abandon with Katie Holmes) is seriously being considered for the role of Silver Surfer. It's a rather odd choice considering SS looks more like the Vin Diesel type.

Attikus

[Ahura Mazda]

The plot is pretty simple to figure out. Go read Fantastic Four 57-59 Vol. 1. That's the answer. Doom will steal SS power's and then Sue will accidentally get them making her the strongest for a short time, and also insane, until they transfer them back to the Surfer. This would also set up for Galactus showing up in FF3. And the love triangle will be with be with Ben and Reed vying for Sue. I just have a real sick feeling Fox would do that to us. Also I can just picture Jessica screaming on the top of her lungs using her powers, and me just cringing... I'm scared someone hold me.

Punching out.


I hate to say it but that almost sounds reasonable which makes me crings because I could just see it happenning.

[Hunter Rider]

the love triangle will be with be with Ben and Reed vying for Sue..

hmmmmmmm never thought of that,could be

[Ben Grimm]

hmmmmmmm never thought of that,could be

I can see it, because of the resentment factor that Ben has against Reed for making him the Thing, and Ben can't understand what Sue sees in him. And attempts to steal Sue away from Reed. Where does that leave Alicia? I'm not sure. I just prey to god I'm wrong, and they're doing a Reed, Sue, and SS triangle (Which IMO would mimic the Alicia Ben, Surfer triangle in the comcis most notably Vol. 3 Ish. 4). Because I can see Fox saying, That a Ben Reed and Sue Triangle would change the dynamic of the Fantastic Four as we know it...

Don't. I like the dynamic just the way it is.

Punching Out.

[Wyrminarrd]

I´ve said before that I think Wentworth is the perfect choice for the Silver Surfer and I´m sticking to it :)

[Bishop2]

I can't imagine it being Ben/Reed/Sue. I really can't.

[Malus]

The plot is pretty simple to figure out. Go read Fantastic Four 57-59 Vol. 1. That's the answer. Doom will steal SS power's and then Sue will accidentally get them making her the strongest for a short time, and also insane, until they transfer them back to the Surfer. This would also set up for Galactus showing up in FF3. And the love triangle will be with be with Ben and Reed vying for Sue.

I think thie Doom-steals-Surfer's-powers story would be a mistake. I don't mind Doom having a role in the sequel (provided they fix him), but I don't want to see the Surfer diminished as a character by having his powers stolen the moment he arrives here.
He's supposed to be the harbinger of Earth's doom, for crying out loud.

And a Reed/Sue/Ben triangle? Ain't gonna happen.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I find it interesting in today's news David O. Russell is in talks to direct an Emma Frost film when he was also in talks per Avi to direct Silver Surfer. I guess the Silver Surfer movie got put on hold since Fox smartened up and made his first film appearance in FF2 as it should be.

They can't be too smartened up if they are actually planning an Emma Frost solo film. :o

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think thie Doom-steals-Surfer's-powers story would be a mistake. I don't mind Doom having a role in the sequel (provided they fix him), but I don't want to see the Surfer diminished as a character by having his powers stolen the moment he arrives here.
He's supposed to be the harbinger of Earth's doom, for crying out loud.



Good point. Also, how would Doom even know what he was at this point? It would take Doom some time to study the Surfer before he could steal his power. He could still lure him to the Earth though with the intention of trying to get more power from the mysterious energy source he detected only to find out he's bit off more than he can chew.

Tim Story has said that there are hints in the first film of what will come up in the next film. I have a feeling the cloud may be tied to the Surfer in some way (and it may explain why Reed couldn't predict it).

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think thie Doom-steals-Surfer's-powers story would be a mistake. I don't mind Doom having a role in the sequel (provided they fix him), but I don't want to see the Surfer diminished as a character by having his powers stolen the moment he arrives here.
He's supposed to be the harbinger of Earth's doom, for crying out loud.



Good point. Also, how would Doom even know what he was at this point? It would take Doom some time to study the Surfer before he could steal his power. He could still lure him to the Earth though with the intention of trying to get more power from the mysterious energy source he detected only to find out he's bitten off more than he can chew.

Tim Story has said that there are hints in the first film of what will come up in the next film. I have a feeling the cloud may be tied to the Surfer in some way (and it may explain why Reed couldn't predict it).

[Hunter Rider]

villain number 3-The Hulk:eek:

[RedIsNotBlue]

villain number 3-The Hulk:eek:

We all can wish. Mmmmm....Hulk vs. The Thing. :eek:

[Carp Man]

I can't imagine it being Ben/Reed/Sue. I really can't.

Ben always had a thing for Sue. It was never made known overtly, but it was there below the surface. Ben-Reed-Sue ? Not with Alecia in the picture. And Sue engaged to Reed ? Not going to happen. IMO.

[halfapple]

As long as there is more Alba - the world is safe :)

/drop towel ...hint hint (shower scene please :P)

[Willie Lumpkin]

We all can wish. Mmmmm....Hulk vs. The Thing. :eek:

Now that "Marvel Studios" is taking possesion of these characters, the idea of crossovers is becoming more realistic. I'd LOVE to know that there's a possibility that we'll someday get a big-screen Thing/Hulk battle (though hopefully a normal sized Hulk instead of the growing version we got in the first film).

[Kelly]

I can't imagine it being Ben/Reed/Sue. I really can't.


Oooooh I can, in one of the MK Issues, Psychoman is using their sub-conscious to divert attention......in Ben's sub-conscious he's married to Sue and he's normal....

[RedIsNotBlue]

What the hell is that avvy from?

[Advanced Dark]

Isn't that Austin Powers

[Bishop2]

villain number 3-The Hulk:eek:

Why does everyone keep thinking there's a third "mysterious" villian? There's absolutely no evidence of this.

[Bishop2]

Oooooh I can, in one of the MK Issues, Psychoman is using their sub-conscious to divert attention......in Ben's sub-conscious he's married to Sue and he's normal....

Yeah, that bugged me too because Ben has shown NO signs of interest in Sue since the original Stan Lee days in the '60s. And in the movie, Ben was going on about how Sue and Reed were perfect for each other and he was engaged, then met Alicia. Plus he's an orange rock monster, which I doubt would get much attention from Sue even if he DID suddenly and COMPLETELY INEXPLICABLY start going for her.

No, this won't happen, and if it does, it will be the worst idea in the long and sad history of all bad ideas.

[Hunter Rider]

Why does everyone keep thinking there's a third "mysterious" villian? There's absolutely no evidence of this.

the Silver Surfer appears as a villain/hero. And another villain comes in as well.

this

[Advanced Dark]

^ Exactly. Hey bishop The Hulk would be awesome as someone the FF have to stop during one of his rampages as a sub-plot to a film. It's not gonna happen in FF2 or FF3 or at least it's not likely but it's certainly in the cards down the road. Marvel 100% Controls the rights to the Hulk and they're not opposed to other studios paying to use the character in crossovers or cameo...they just won't sell the movie rights ever again to their stable.

[Willie Lumpkin]

I've been assuming the "other villain" is Galacuts.

[Kelly]

Yeah, that bugged me too because Ben has shown NO signs of interest in Sue since the original Stan Lee days in the '60s. And in the movie, Ben was going on about how Sue and Reed were perfect for each other and he was engaged, then met Alicia. Plus he's an orange rock monster, which I doubt would get much attention from Sue even if he DID suddenly and COMPLETELY INEXPLICABLY start going for her.

No, this won't happen, and if it does, it will be the worst idea in the long and sad history of all bad ideas.

Hmmmmmmm.....I don't know about that....Iron Maiden could probably answer better than I, but I've always had a feeling that there was something....not on Sue's part in particular, but on Ben's part.....he adores Sue, always has....BUT he loves his best friend as well therefore would never show any kind of attention like that to Sue....but to say he has no feelings for her in that way, or never has......not sure thats correct.....

Somebody help me out with memory....Frankie or IM or someone.....wasn't there a story where "what if Sue died" or something.....doesn't Ben put his feelings out there pretty strong in that story?

[Darthphere]

Oooooh I can, in one of the MK Issues, Psychoman is using their sub-conscious to divert attention......in Ben's sub-conscious he's married to Sue and he's normal....


MK 4 is a horrible comic.

[Advanced Dark]

I've been assuming the "other villain" is Galacuts.

Galactus won't show up. Maybe after the credits. The Surfer wills show up near the last 1/3rd of the film and by the end of the film he'll decide to defend Earth with Galacuts coming. Puppetmaster is the 3rd baddie but a minor one compared to Doom and Surfer.

[Kelly]

MK 4 is a horrible comic.

In your opinion of course......


I happen to enjoy it alot...

[RedIsNotBlue]

Galactus won't show up. Maybe after the credits. The Surfer wills show up near the last 1/3rd of the film and by the end of the film he'll decide to defend Earth with Galacuts coming. Puppetmaster is the 3rd baddie but a minor one compared to Doom and Surfer.

And you know this how...? :confused:

[Darthphere]

In your opinion of course......


I happen to enjoy it alot...


I dont know about now, but the the first couple of arcs with the bankruptcy stuff was really bad.

[Kelly]

I dont know about now, but the the first couple of arcs with the bankruptcy stuff was really bad.

Again, in your opinion....I happened to enjoy those, and how they truly understood at the end of the arc, who they were....very cool in my opinion.

[Kelly]

And you know this how...? :confused:

That damn crystal ball keeps floating around here.....I have yet to catch it though....:o

DA and Carpy tend to play with it alot...

[Bishop2]

I've been assuming the "other villain" is Galacuts.

As was already stated by Avi Arad. So yeah.

[Bishop2]

In your opinion of course......


I happen to enjoy it alot...

I love some stories, others are quite bad. The opening story of losing their fortune and, even moreso, the Jersey Devil tale was great, the Puppet Master story was awesome, Impossible Man was fun... and then there are the other bits. The Psycho-Man tale left much to be desired, the Egypt/time travel/whatever was moderately wack, and the story of the two kids from the moon was AWFUL...

[Kelly]

I love some stories, others are quite bad. The opening story of losing their fortune and, even moreso, the Jersey Devil tale was great, the Puppet Master story was awesome, Impossible Man was fun... and then there are the other bits. The Psycho-Man tale left much to be desired, the Egypt/time travel/whatever was moderately wack, and the story of the two kids from the moon was AWFUL...

I didn't much like the Impossible Man story, but I do like how they have really delved into their relationships more.....MK Fantastic Four 1,2,3,4 was excellent...I had to get use to the artwork, but it definitely worked with the story itself.

[Retroman]

Why are they going for another love triangle? This thing has been done to death in Superhero films.

I have lots of questions about FF2. I'm very curious about the casting on this flick. Who are they eyeing for Galactus and who for Silver Surfer? Is Alicia's dad going to be in this and if so who's playing him? Will there be a 'fantastic' wedding like in the comics? Any references to other comics? Will they shoot in NY with the cast? Did they hire the same effects supervisor and editor?:confused: So many questions....

[RedIsNotBlue]

Why are they going for another love triangle? This thing has been done to death in Superhero films.

I have lots of questions about FF2. I'm very curious about the casting on this flick. Who are they eyeing for Galactus and who for Silver Surfer? Is Alicia's dad going to be in this and if so who's playing him? Will there be a 'fantastic' wedding like in the comics? Any references to other comics? Will they shoot in NY with the cast? Did they hire the same effects supervisor and editor?:confused: So many questions....

This movie needs more time. :(

[Retroman]

This movie needs more time. :(
I agree but i don't think FOX will do it.

[RedIsNotBlue]

No ****. Knowing them they will probably bump it to a week earlier release.

[Bishop2]

This movie needs more time. :(

Usually Fox tells their movies to start filming in December or so for a release next summer, so I'm actually thrilled to death this once was given so much time to go through production.

[Darthphere]

Usually Fox tells their movies to start filming in December or so for a release next summer, so I'm actually thrilled to death this once was given so much time to go through production.


This one seems very special effect heavy so I think FOx is playing it smart, still I think its too soon.

[Bishop2]

This one seems very special effect heavy so I think FOx is playing it smart, still I think its too soon.

Given the insane speed that they churned out X-Men 3 (which is pretty freakin' effects-heavy) and the even MORE ludicrous speed at which they pulled out Fantastic Four, I think they'll have enough time.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I am not worried about the effects its the script.

[Darthphere]

I am not worried about the effects its the script.


Im worried about everything else but the effects startung with Tim "Taxi" Story.

[Tony Stark]

Tim Story did a better job than Brett Ratner, so I'm not as worried about him. At least he cares for the characters. He was a big person in getting SS, into this movie. Arad wanted Puppet Master! How boring would that be?

[antariksh]

Tim Story did a better job than Brett Ratner, so I'm not as worried about him. At least he cares for the characters. He was a big person in getting SS, into this movie. Arad wanted Puppet Master! How boring would that be?

Ya, you are RIGHT.

If we would had gotten puppet master that would have been really really BAD. I mean common that villain would have never looked visually good and it would have been a really boring villain.

That is why i am happy they are putting silver surfer in it. Now I am guessing we will be getting NAMOR as well because jessica alba said there will be one more villain whom she falls love with which is none other than NAMOR.

But the chances of DR. DOOM appearing in this sequel are now LOW. I am not sure what to say. I was glad that they were bringing the FULL DOOM but now no one talks about him. I hope they bring SS, NAMOR and DR. DOOM.

Now that will be ONE HELL OF A MOVIE!!!

But if they don't bring Dr. DOOM then that is fine. They can focus on those two villains. Something tells me that this F4-2 will be much bigger and more epic in scope compared to F4.

[Kelly]

Ya, you are RIGHT.

If we would had gotten puppet master that would have been really really BAD. I mean common that villain would have never looked visually good and it would have been a really boring villain.

That is why i am happy they are putting silver surfer in it. Now I am guessing we will be getting NAMOR as well because jessica alba said there will be one more villain whom she falls love with which is none other than NAMOR.

But the chances of DR. DOOM appearing in this sequel are now LOW. I am not sure what to say. I was glad that they were bringing the FULL DOOM but now no one talks about him. I hope they bring SS, NAMOR and DR. DOOM.

Now that will be ONE HELL OF A MOVIE!!!

But if they don't bring Dr. DOOM then that is fine. They can focus on those two villains. Something tells me that this F4-2 will be much bigger and more epic in scope compared to F4.

"We start Fantastic Four 2 in August. The four of us learn that there are other people out there with superpowers, and the Silver Surfer appears as a villain/hero. And another villain comes in as well," Alba revealed.

"My character, Susan Storm, has another love triangle and may use a power people haven't seen before. She's the most powerful of the four."

Thats not what she said....

She said there is another villain.....and she is in another love triangle....

not necessarily meaning she's in another love triangle with a villain.....

that could very well be happening, but thats not what she said....

[Bishop2]

"We start Fantastic Four 2 in August. The four of us learn that there are other people out there with superpowers, and the Silver Surfer appears as a villain/hero. And another villain comes in as well," Alba revealed.

"My character, Susan Storm, has another love triangle and may use a power people haven't seen before. She's the most powerful of the four."

Thats not what she said....

She said there is another villain.....and she is in another love triangle....

not necessarily meaning she's in another love triangle with a villain.....

that could very well be happening, but thats not what she said....

Just one problem - Universal still holds the film rights to Namor.

[Kelly]

Just one problem - Universal still holds the film rights to Namor.

Universal is the distributing co.....Marvel is the production co......it could happen actually.

[Hunter Rider]

This would make a great image in the film imo

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/9847/sspreviewn6dn.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.imageshack.us/)

[Bishop2]

Universal is the distributing co.....Marvel is the production co......it could happen actually.

Marvel doesn't currently own production rights to Namor, just like they don't own production rights to FF, X-Men, Spider-Man, Ghost Rider... you get the idea. We haven't seen a movie purely produced by Marvel yet come to pass, unless you count their first animated flick. It looks like the first one will be Iron Man.

[Kelly]

Marvel is the production company for the Sub-mariner....Universal is the distributing co........they could make a deal...maybe...

[GoblinScrier]

If Doom is not in the movie, I will just cry...besides, didn't Julian McMahon sign on for another film and besides, they can't just give us a small morsel of hope (the ending) that we might get a FULL DR. DOOM...besides Story said that...

[Kelly]

If Doom is not in the movie, I will just cry...besides, didn't Julian McMahon sign on for another film and besides, they can't just give us a small morsel of hope (the ending) that we might get a FULL DR. DOOM...besides Story said that...

The way I understand his contract he has a 2 movie deal with Fox. Not a 2 movie deal with F4 only. Whereas the others have a 3 movie deal with a 4th option for the F4 movies.

[Carp Man]

The way I understand his contract he has a 2 movie deal with Fox. Not a 2 movie deal with F4 only. Whereas the others have a 3 movie deal with a 4th option for the F4 movies.

Doom has to be there, and be huge. Full Doom as Story said. If he is not, or has a dimished role because they have to have the Surfer in there, that would be a joke, and an outrage.

[Bishop2]

Doom has to be there, and be huge. Full Doom as Story said. If he is not, or has a dimished role because they have to have the Surfer in there, that would be a joke, and an outrage.

Sorry, but I don't really want to see Doom taking up a ton of screentime in a movie where GALACTUS IS APPROACHING. That's kind of a much bigger issue. Save Doom's ultimate vengeance for part three, give him a small role in this one.

[Carp Man]

Sorry, but I don't really want to see Doom taking up a ton of screentime in a movie where GALACTUS IS APPROACHING. That's kind of a much bigger issue. Save Doom's ultimate vengeance for part three, give him a small role in this one.

Galactus can be approaching at the end of the movie, then bring him on for 3. They need to do Doom right 1st. IMO.

[Darthphere]

Tim Story did a better job than Brett Ratner, so I'm not as worried about him. At least he cares for the characters. He was a big person in getting SS, into this movie. Arad wanted Puppet Master! How boring would that be?


Laughable.

[Bishop2]

Almost any villian can be given a good film translation, save perhaps Paste Pot Pete. The Puppet Master story in Marvel Knights 4 was wicked. He can be done pretty awesomely, but I'd much prefer Galactus.

[Carp Man]

Tim Story did a better job than Brett Ratner, so I'm not as worried about him. At least he cares for the characters. He was a big person in getting SS, into this movie. Arad wanted Puppet Master! How boring would that be?

I agree, I'm not in love with Puppet Master, he would be kind of boring on the big screen. Now full Doom, I can dig that, and a SS, Galactus chaser at the end, would be perfect.

[Sub-Zero]

has ultimate silver surfer been introduced? and that whole love triangle thing is obvious it'll be between reed, sue, and surfer. who else could it be? willie lumpkin?

[Willie Lumpkin]

who else could it be? willie lumpkin?

. . . ;)

[Bishop2]

has ultimate silver surfer been introduced? and that whole love triangle thing is obvious it'll be between reed, sue, and surfer. who else could it be? willie lumpkin?

How would Surfer be romantically interested in Sue? That's pretty much... not possible at all.

[Malus]

How would Surfer be romantically interested in Sue? That's pretty much... not possible at all.

In the comics, he ended up being Alicia Masters' significant other for quite some time (I thought that was a horrible period myself) so why would he not find Sue equally intriguing?

My guess is they're gonna give the whole "showing-the-Surfer-he-has-a-heart" thing to Sue/Jessica Alba. Alicia's character wasn't developed very much at all in the first film, so I can't see them playing catch-up in this one and throwing her those all-important scenes with the Surfer.
Nope. I definitely see that playing out with Sue.
Same thing they just did in X3 by having the more charismatic and popular Wolverine fill Cyclops' shoes in the Phoenix finale.

Hmm. I'll bet the Surfer tells Sue she's pregnant...

[Bishop2]

In the comics, he ended up being Alicia Masters' significant other for quite some time (I thought that was a horrible period myself) so why would he not find Sue equally intriguing?

My guess is they're gonna give the whole "showing-the-Surfer-he-has-a-heart" thing to Sue/Jessica Alba. Alicia's character wasn't developed very much at all in the first film, so I can't see them playing catch-up in this one and throwing her those all-important scenes with the Surfer.
Nope. I definitely see that playing out with Sue.
Same thing they just did in X3 by having the more charismatic and popular Wolverine fill Cyclops' shoes in the Phoenix finale.

Hmm. I'll bet the Surfer tells Sue she's pregnant...

I thought Sue got just as much development as Reed in the first film. Which is to say "Much more than Johnny, a bit less than Ben."

[Kelly]

I thought Sue got just as much development as Reed in the first film. Which is to say "Much more than Johnny, a bit less than Ben."

Oh I have to totally disagree with this, in my opinion, this was a Johnny Storm movie and his sidekick Ben. Johnny was the most developed of the 4, next Ben, and then as far as a "true" characterization of Reed and Sue, I pretty much knew that was going to be weak once I read the script....and it was made worse in the movie. IMHO

[Carp Man]

Oh I have to totally disagree with this, in my opinion, this was a Johnny Storm movie and his sidekick Ben. Johnny was the most developed of the 4, next Ben, and then as far as a "true" characterization of Reed and Sue, I pretty much knew that was going to be weak once I read the script....and it was made worse in the movie. IMHO

I agree, it was Ben and Johnnys movie. They we're Martin and Lewis, Abbott and Costello.

[halfapple]

Galactus should be just a Movie of its own.

[Malus]

Galactus should be just a Movie of its own.

Except that Galactus has virtually no name recognition outside the insular world of comics. It would be like having a Venom movie without Spider-man.
Galactus was born in the pages of Fantastic Four. He belongs in a Fantastic Four movie, as does the Silver Surfer.

Then we can talk about spin-off films, ala Wolverine & Magneto.

[Willie Lumpkin]

Except that Galactus has virtually no name recognition outside the insular world of comics. It would be like having a Venom movie without Spider-man.
Galactus was born in the pages of Fantastic Four. He belongs in a Fantastic Four movie, as does the Silver Surfer.

Then we can talk about spin-off films, ala Wolverine & Magneto.

Yep. If I was on Fox's board, I'd definitely push to have SS and Galactus introduced in FF . . .

. . . I just wish they'd wait until the third or fourth movie.

I am getting more and more excited about seeing this story though. The biggest thing I missed in the first film was the sense of scale and spectacle that I knew from the comics.

They're jumping into the deep end of the pool on this one, and as long as they don't sink, this could be the best thing for the franchise.

While I'd like to see them build up to Galactus, a mediocre second film could, potentially, kill the franchise and then where would we be?

[Advanced Dark]

Yep. If I was on Fox's board, I'd definitely push to have SS and Galactus introduced in FF . . .

. . . I just wish they'd wait until the third or fourth movie.

I am getting more and more excited about seeing this story though. The biggest thing I missed in the first film was the sense of scale and spectacle that I knew from the comics.

They're jumping into the deep end of the pool on this one, and as long as they don't sink, this could be the best thing for the franchise.

While I'd like to see them build up to Galactus, a mediocre second film could, potentially, kill the franchise and then where would we be?

No way the Silver Surfer Story will start and wrap up in FF2. We'll just get a glimpse in part 2. I have a feeling Doom is gonna fight against them as well teaming up with the FF to defeat Galactus in part 3 only to die or apparently die saving the earth. Surely he'll resurface in future films.

[Willie Lumpkin]

No way the Silver Surfer Story will start and wrap up in FF2. We'll just get a glimpse in part 2.


Exactly. If done properly, it should perfectly set up a prequel leaving the audience wondering: "Who is this guy? Where did he come from? What would it be like knowing your existance depends on finding worlds for your god-like master to devour?"

[Malus]

They're jumping into the deep end of the pool on this one, and as long as they don't sink, this could be the best thing for the franchise.

Deep end is right.
I'm excited and scared to death at the same time.
Those of us who've actually read the original Lee/Kirby Galactus trilogy know too well what is at stake here.

This is gonna be a loooong 12 months.

[Bishop2]

Oh I have to totally disagree with this, in my opinion, this was a Johnny Storm movie and his sidekick Ben. Johnny was the most developed of the 4, next Ben, and then as far as a "true" characterization of Reed and Sue, I pretty much knew that was going to be weak once I read the script....and it was made worse in the movie. IMHO

In the final film, Johnny has essentially no characterization except that he makes wisecracks and generally acts like a dick. He has no heroic traits whatsoever; by the end of the movie, I wasn't sure why we were supposed to LIKE this ass.

Of course, in the script, he actually does actively make the decision to be a hero.

Having more memorable moments doesn't mean you have more character. People remember Johnny for being funny, but he's totally one-note.

[Kelly]

In the final film, Johnny has essentially no characterization except that he makes wisecracks and generally acts like a dick. He has no heroic traits whatsoever; by the end of the movie, I wasn't sure why we were supposed to LIKE this ass.

Of course, in the script, he actually does actively make the decision to be a hero.

Having more memorable moments doesn't mean you have more character. People remember Johnny for being funny, but he's totally one-note.

Well thats kind of the way he is in the comics, he has his moments....and he can be a dick at times....actually I think they over-played that part of his character....he's a one-liner kind of guy.

As far as Sue, I saw glimpses of the peacemaker, but very little if any of sister traits, even Jessica mentioned the fact that all she did in the movie was gripe....thats not necessarily who Sue is in the Comics. Reed was no where near the intellect he should have been...Ben's character also had a good start to the character development.

Please don't put words into my posts, no where did I say that character was built from memorable moments....I'm talking the characters built from who they are in the comics, and IMO Reed and Sue (don't even go near Doom) are the weakest characterizations from who they are in the comics.

I blame that on the weak writing, and the horrible editing of the movie. Sue is extremely loyal, this was shown in the restaurant scene with Doom, unfortunately it was cut. There was a scene in the script where after Johnny and Sue fight, they have a very sweet scene between brother and sister, not even sure it was shot. There is a scene that was shot between Sue and Reed where she talks about how people want them to take care of their every problem....Sue struggles with that in recent issues of the comics. But again, this scene was cut.

[Bishop2]

Please don't put words into my posts, no where did I say that character was built from memorable moments....I'm talking the characters built from who they are in the comics, and IMO Reed and Sue (don't even go near Doom) are the weakest characterizations from who they are in the comics.

I didn't put words into your posts, because *I'M* the one who's saying that the perception of Johnny's characterization is based on his moments.

In the comics, he's a little dim, but he's still always a hero and wanting to help and cares about the group. In the movie, he's pretty much just a dick to everyone around him and then the movie ends with that never changing.

[Kelly]

I didn't put words into your posts, because *I'M* the one who's saying that the perception of Johnny's characterization is based on his moments.

In the comics, he's a little dim, but he's still always a hero and wanting to help and cares about the group. In the movie, he's pretty much just a dick to everyone around him and then the movie ends with that never changing.

Thats the first movie....all I'm saying is....IMO he's the closest to his comic persona...they may have over done a certain aspect of his persona YES, but of the 4 he was the closest.

Really this discussion belongs in the character threads....not a thread on the Silver Surfer, so I'll close my part with that last statement.:)

[Hunter Rider]

Yep. If I was on Fox's board, I'd definitely push to have SS and Galactus introduced in FF . . .

. . . I just wish they'd wait until the third or fourth movie.

I am getting more and more excited about seeing this story though. The biggest thing I missed in the first film was the sense of scale and spectacle that I knew from the comics.

They're jumping into the deep end of the pool on this one, and as long as they don't sink, this could be the best thing for the franchise.

While I'd like to see them build up to Galactus, a mediocre second film could, potentially, kill the franchise and then where would we be?
I agree,i want the scale and spectacle but i do worry that they are using Surfer not to enhance this movie but so they can get a spin off franchise going

[Willie Lumpkin]

. . . but i do worry that they are using Surfer not to enhance this movie but so they can get a spin off franchise going

I'm sure that's a big part of the justification, but I'm okay with that as long as it works with the FF - and Galactus / SS definitely fit.

If, for example, they decided to introduce Iron Fist by sticking him in an FF film, I'd have a problem with that.

The positive side of Fox's strategy for us is that this isn't just a stand-alone film - it's an investment. They are strengthening the FF franchise with this film and starting the Silver Surfer franchise. They could break even or even lose money on this film and still be doing well long term if they do this right.

Hopefully that will give them extra incentive to put the effort and money required into this project to do it right.

[Malus]

In the movie, he's pretty much just a dick to everyone around him and then the movie ends with that never changing.

I disagree.

When he says "Good to have you back," to the self-sacrificing Ben, he is hardly being a dick. :rolleyes:

Sure, he's needling Ben in the very next scene ("Wide load, folks!") but that's what he's always done.
He definitely came across as too cruel and selfish throughout most of the film, but by the time he leaps to his potential death to draw that heat-seeking missile away from his family, well, that's not exactly being a dick, either.

[Bishop2]

I disagree.

When he says "Good to have you back," to the self-sacrificing Ben, he is hardly being a dick. :rolleyes:

Sure, he's needling Ben in the very next scene ("Wide load, folks!") but that's what he's always done.
He definitely came across as too cruel and selfish throughout most of the film, but by the time he leaps to his potential death to draw that heat-seeking missile away from his family, well, that's not exactly being a dick, either.

You have a fine point regarding the missile, this is true. It comes off almost as a "I want glory!" moment given the rest of the film, but you can see the heroics at work.

As for the other thing... I always felt like he was just happy to have the "team mascot" back because it made them so delightfully marketable, what with the action figure and crap.

[Carp Man]

In the final film, Johnny has essentially no characterization except that he makes wisecracks and generally acts like a dick. He has no heroic traits whatsoever; by the end of the movie, I wasn't sure why we were supposed to LIKE this ass.

Of course, in the script, he actually does actively make the decision to be a hero.

Having more memorable moments doesn't mean you have more character. People remember Johnny for being funny, but he's totally one-note.

Then you don't understand Johnny Storm. Mabey he was a tad over the top at pioints, but basicly that was Johnny when it comes to Ben.

[Kelly]

You have a fine point regarding the missile, this is true. It comes off almost as a "I want glory!" moment given the rest of the film, but you can see the heroics at work.

As for the other thing... I always felt like he was just happy to have the "team mascot" back because it made them so delightfully marketable, what with the action figure and crap.

I didn't take it that way at all...I saw it as a definite sacrifice moment, which was how it was written, according to the actors commentary...and the way I took it was a "sacrifice" moment...:)

[Malus]

I didn't take it that way at all...I saw it as a definite sacrifice moment, which was how it was written, according to the actors commentary...and the way I took it was a "sacrifice" moment...:)

It was indeed.
I think we're going to see a slightly matured Johnny Storm in FF2.
But not too matured, I hope! ;)

[Kelly]

It was indeed.
I think we're going to see a slightly matured Johnny Storm in FF2.
But not too matured, I hope! ;)

Well if he's anything like a recent issue....

Sue and Reed are about to give up the kids to the CPS....

They are sending Ben and Johnny off to take care of Hulk...

Johnny seems really upset about the whole thing....

Sue thinks he's upset about the kids being sent off and Reed and Sue seemingly allowing it....

Sue says: I know you're upset Johnny, but....

Johnny says: no, no its not that.....Ben's just dropped his towel...and....:)

So even in the most dramatic of moments......we can always count on Johnny.....

[Carp Man]

So even in the most dramatic of moments......we can always count on Johnny.....

Yep. :D Ben and Johhny are a great comidy team. They played off each other so well in the movie. Great performances. And most of Johnnys lines were inprovised at the moment.

[Grimm52]

Hottie" Jessica Alba reveals some Fantastic Four sequel plots (kinda spolier-ish, continue at your own risk): "We start Fantastic Four 2 in August. The four of us learn that there are other people out there with superpowers, and the Silver Surfer appears as a villain/hero. And another villain comes in as well. My character, Susan Storm, has another love triangle and may use a power people haven't seen before. She's the most powerful of the four."

Maybe even Galactus? Well see but it should be good!!!

[That-Guy]

I'd like to think that it would, but I don't see how. I was one of the ones who didn't like the first film... but even if you did, I don't see how Silver Surfer, who is generally a humorless character, could fit into this extremely lighthearted series. True, his first appearance was in an F4 comic, but hell... no one felt a need to put the Punisher in Spider-Man 2. Norrin Radd/Silver Surfer deserves his own movie that has nothing to do with this series.

[Shadow_Knight]

Yeah but if them two are in it the would be so cool I would be happy.

[Tony Stark]

There's already multiple threads on this.

[Stringer]

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/711/711801p1.html

[L0ngsh0t]

Jim Cavizel is a tremendious talent

[MJB]

Jim Cavizel would be my pick and Paul Bettany. The rest are ok, except for Orlando Bloom. Why would IGN even mention him?? Dear lord i hope FOX isn't going after him and is using IGN to hype him up to the fans? Orlando Bloom seems like a nice guy when i've seen him on tv, but as an actor nothing he's done save for the LOTR films have impressed me. The guy has done flop after flop with him in the lead, but yet he still gets films.

[MattC]

Why would IGN even mention him?? Dear lord i hope FOX isn't going after him and is using IGN to hype him up to the fans?

lmao People are SO suspicious of anything these days. We are all paranoid!

[Retroman]

Please no Orlando Bloom, I don't think he's a great actor.

Caviezel would be awesome but i don't see that happening unless the script is out of this world.He already turned action roles in the past incl. X-Men.

Jonathan Rhys Meyers is the most realistic choice and he's a good young actor who could grow with the franchise plus has got the physique which is very important for SS.

http://www.kleo.ru/items/planetarium/img/jonathan-rhys-meyers.jpg
http://www.kleo.ru/items/planetarium/jonathan-rhys-meyers.shtml

[Retroman]

There was a rumor a couple years ago that Leonardo Dicaprio was been considerd for the role. I'm not against the idea.

http://www.countingdown.com/movies/25871/news?item_id=549539

[Retroman]

BTW i'm very curious about the kind of acting talent Story and co. can attract. You always hear actors talk about that they signed on to a particular superhero film because of the guy in the director's chair (for example) Nolan, Singer, Raimi, Burton or even Ratner.

[The Apatow Crew]

How about Jason Statham? He's got that deep demanding type voice. Or is he not tall enough? He's got the muscular build for it kinda.And he's got that bald slick type head as well.

[Abaddon]

The first three choices were good.:up:


The rest :down

[The Apatow Crew]

So is that a :up: or :down to who i mentioned.

[MJB]

BTW i'm very curious about the kind of acting talent Story and co. can attract. You always hear actors talk about that they signed on to a particular superhero film because of the guy in the director's chair (for example) Nolan, Singer, Raimi, Burton or even Ratner.


My thoughts exaclty although Raimi and Singer weren't these big directors who could attract a list talent Both got name reconition after both spiderman and xmen. Ratner is so so, He really isn't known as this big director that stars are attracted to for his projects, he's just known for his Rush Hour films. Nolan and Burton are the ones that are ture to form with your comments. Unless the script is out of this world or a more impressive creative team comes on board, i really don't see any of those guys mentioned coming on board except for Bloom, especailly since his agent will tell him that these Superhero films are in right now and with the promise of his own spin off film. Besides does Bloom have any real clout? His agent will say he needs a hit before he begins to fade. POTC isn't his film more then it's Johnny Depp's. That Jonothan rhyes Meyers looks like another that FOX can probably nabb because he's up and coming. The rest i don't really see especailly Paul Bettany and Jim Caviezel.

[MJB]

Please no Orlando Bloom, I don't think he's a great actor.

Caviezel would be awesome but i don't see that happening unless the script is out of this world.He already turned action roles in the past incl. X-Men.

Jonathan Rhys Meyers is the most realistic choice and he's a good young actor who could grow with the franchise plus has got the physique which is very important for SS.


Agreed! No Orlando Bloom.

Did Caviezel really turn down the Xmen? I know he was supposed to be Cyclops, but I could've sworn i read that he couldn't do it because of another movie? I also read that pay was an issue, also i read and this is really far out there, that Caviezel hates gays and he found out that Singer was gay and backed out. I'm not sure which is true, but Singer did say he was cast. I did read that. You know I was happy with Marsden as Cyke, but i think Caviezel as an actor has more clout and Cyclops wouldn't have gotten short changed the way he did if he was cast as cyke.

Jonathan Meyers is ok, I would go with another actor before him, but i wouldn't be mad if he was cast.

[Retroman]

How about Jason Statham? He's got that deep demanding type voice. Or is he not tall enough? He's got the muscular build for it kinda.And he's got that bald slick type head as well.
Hmm...interesting choice. At first i'd say he's too a little too hard for this but then again he will be under tons of prosthetic make-up.

[Retroman]

My thoughts exaclty. Unless the script is out of this world or a more impressive creative team comes on board, i really don't see any of those guys mentioned coming on board except for Bloom, especailly since his agent will tell him that these Superhero films are in right now and with the promise of his own spin off film. Besides does Bloom have any real clout? His agent will say he needs a hit before he begins to fade. POTC isn't his film more then it's Johnny Depp's. That Jonothan rhyes Meyers looks like another that FOX can probably nabb because he's up and coming. The rest i don't really see.
Bloom seems to have some clout.So many great directors have chosen to star in their flicks since LOTR.

[The Apatow Crew]

i think we can all agree on is who they cast alot of people won't be happy.

[The Apatow Crew]

Hmm...interesting choice. At first i'd say he's too a little too hard for this but then again he will be under tons of prosthetic make-up.Like i said i'm just throwing it out there. And i'm sure lots of action will be involved and he does he's own stunts. I don't know much about SS or what kind of fighting style he has. but if your looking for a good hand to hand fighter then statham's your man.

[Retroman]

Agreed! No Orlando Bloom.

Did Caviezel really turn down the Xmen? I know he was supposed to be Cyclops, but I could've sworn i read that he couldn't do it because of another movie? I also read that pay was an issue, also i read and this is really far out there, that Caviezel hates gays and he found out that Singer was gay and backed out. I'm not sure which is true, but Singer did say he was cast. I did read that. You know I was happy with Marsden as Cyke, but i think Caviezel as an actor has more clout and Cyclops wouldn't have gotten short changed the way he did if he was cast as cyke.

Jonathan Meyers is ok, I would go with another actor before him, but i wouldn't be mad if he was cast.

IGNFF: You met Singer on the first X-Men?

CAVIEZEL: I was cast. It really happened really quick. The role, Cyclops, was at the time between doing Cyclops and another film I made at the time, Frequency. I can't remember. I was more involved in the Frequency film than [X-Men].
Source: http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/556/556968p3.html

P.S: If Singer wanted a star name and not an unknown as Superman Caviezel would have been the first in line.

[Dynasty]

So is that a :up: or :down to who i mentioned.

Thats a big :down for me, i thought Vinnie Jones was horribly casted in X3. To be honest i would want to see Keanue Reeves more than all of them probaly, but Caviezel would be pretty damn good.

[The Apatow Crew]

yeah i heard that before. i liked Caviezel in the Jennifer Lopez Movie "Angel Eyes" as the Mysterious guy with a unknown background.

[Retroman]

Like i said i'm just throwing it out there. And i'm sure lots of action will be involved and he does he's own stunts. I don't know much about SS or what kind of fighting style he has. but if your looking for a good hand to hand fighter then statham's your man.
Yeah its not a bad choice just not the first name i'd think of. Who ever takes on the role needs be in tip-top physical shape.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1166/403pxannsilv0020pz.jpg
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Surfer

[Retroman]

Slightly off topic - I wonder if they will introduce Frankie Raye in this movie as Johnny's love interest?

[The Apatow Crew]

Slightly off topic - I wonder if they will introduce Frankie Raye in this movie as Johnny's love interest?Who knows? where have to wait and see.

[The Apatow Crew]

Yeah its not a bad choice just not the first name i'd think of. Who ever takes on the role needs be in tip-top physical shape.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1166/403pxannsilv0020pz.jpg
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_SurferThanks for the info then. but yeah your right about that.

like what type of body size do you think would be good? i mean i don't thin kyou want a guy with a body like the rock or maybe that could be good. i don't know much about SS like i said

[Retroman]

Who knows? where have to wait and see.
I can't wait to find out.The suspense is killing me! lol

Thanks for the inf o then.
No problem.

[Katsuro]

Damnit, why is Jude Law ALWAYS mentioned for comic book roles?!? Seriously, i checked some of the related links at the bottom of that page, and half of them have Jude Law in some role (Loki, Namor, Silver Surfer) Will someone just put him in a role so people can shut up about him for once (afterall, there's a taboo against someone playing more than one comic book cahracter).

[Abaddon]

So is that a :up: or :down to who i mentioned.


my answer to that is :down:down

[MJB]

Yeah its not a bad choice just not the first name i'd think of. Who ever takes on the role needs be in tip-top physical shape.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1166/403pxannsilv0020pz.jpg
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Surfer


Well this picture alone makes me worry how they are going to pull it off? Ben wasn't exactly the best that could've been done. I'm not saying the SS can't be done, but just not the people who are working on the F4 currently. As I've said i fear what definition of both Galactus and SS we'll get.:confused:

[MJB]

Source: http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/556/556968p3.html

P.S: If Singer wanted a star name and not an unknown as Superman Caviezel would have been the first in line.


Well it looks as if I was right and Caviezel did indeed have another project. I remembered reading that and it was the most beleivable out of the other stuff that people posted like him hating gays, or the script sucked and so on. I just really wished he had done the role over Marsden.

[Retroman]

like what type of body size do you think would be good? i mean i don't thin kyou want a guy with a body like the rock or maybe that could be good. i don't know much about SS like i said
Someone who's as talls as Ioan Gruffudd but more built.

[Dynasty]

i just had this idea then felt realy sick after because i realized how this easily could be a possibility, imagine the Fuc*rs at Fox make it so he can turn it on and off, you know being silver and having powers.

[Retroman]

Damnit, why is Jude Law ALWAYS mentioned for comic book roles?!? Seriously, i checked some of the related links at the bottom of that page, and half of them have Jude Law in some role (Loki, Namor, Silver Surfer) Will someone just put him in a role so people can shut up about him for once (afterall, there's a taboo against someone playing more than one comic book cahracter).
The only role i think he'd accept is to play Rorschach in a Watchmen feature film. He's a big fan of the character apparently.

[Dynasty]

YAY i fianly got an avatar, whatcha all think? hahaha i need a better one.

[Retroman]

Well this picture alone makes me worry how they are going to pull it off? Ben wasn't exactly the best that could've been done. I'm not saying the SS can't be done, but just not the people who are working on the F4 currently. As I've said i fear what definition of both Galactus and SS we'll get.:confused:
I'm not really worried about the costume design and make-up. I think they did a decent job the last time around though some may think differently.

The final Doom scene in FF shows that it (Silver Surfer at least) can be pulled off in my opnion. Colossus in X3 actually looked a lot SS too.

[Retroman]

Well it looks as if I was right and Caviezel did indeed have another project. I remembered reading that and it was the most beleivable out of the other stuff that people posted like him hating gays, or the script sucked and so on. I just really wished he had done the role over Marsden.
I like Marsden's portrayal but i can't deny that Caviezel is a better actor and would have been great in the role.

[Retroman]

i just had this idea then felt realy sick after because i realized how this easily could be a possibility, imagine the Fuc*rs at Fox make it so he can turn it on and off, you know being silver and having powers.
Don't put any ideas in their heads.:(

[RedIsNotBlue]

Wow. A lot of these suggestions are just outrageous...haha. They will never happen.

[anaque]

someone from another thread previously suggested
Wentworth Miller (prison break's michael scofield) as SS. How 'bout that?

[RedIsNotBlue]

Well the only person from IGN I see ANY CHANCE of happening is Rhys Meyers.

Wentworth Miller? Hmm. Never seen him act but going by his resume and appearance he looks like a nice fit.

[JustABill]

Be prepared. I can already tell you, they are gonna have him be able to turn the silver on and off, because they are gonna want a hot guy for Alba to be potentially macking out with.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Be prepared. I can already tell you, they are gonna have him be able to turn the silver on and off, because they are gonna want a hot guy for Alba to be potentially macking out with.

Doubt Sue will be pursuing him at all.

[JustABill]

To early to be saying that...but I think they are gonna have Sue at least kiss him once...and no way are they gonna actually show Alba just kiss the Silver Surfer while he's this alien looking thing. Fox is gonna want it to be with a ''hot'" guy.

[blind_fury]

Jonathan Rhys Meyers is the most realistic choice and he's a good young actor who could grow with the franchise plus has got the physique which is very important for SS.

http://www.kleo.ru/items/planetarium/img/jonathan-rhys-meyers.jpg
http://www.kleo.ru/items/planetarium/jonathan-rhys-meyers.shtml
This guy looks like Norrin Rad. :up:

[RedIsNotBlue]

To early to be saying that...but I think they are gonna have Sue at least kiss him once...and no way are they gonna actually show Alba just kiss the Silver Surfer while he's this alien looking thing. Fox is gonna want it to be with a ''hot'" guy.

No no no. Sorry. If Sue actually goes after another guy after the ending of the first film then the writers need to burn in hell.

[JustABill]

She doesn't have to go after him, for them to actually make out at least once. He could be the one pursuing her.

[RedIsNotBlue]

She doesn't have to go after him, for them to actually make out at least once. He could be the one pursuing her.

Nope. Sorry there is no way to get around it. Sue cannot do that. Unless they feel its okay to turn Sue into a two timing whore. :o

I have no problem with characters having their eye on Sue but if she actually ends up thinking or acting on going with another guy then heads are gonna roll.

[SatEL]

Even so when the surfer was a Galactus bit.. he didnt have women on his mind and even after cant say he pursued a lot of women.

[Casius--J]

No no no. Sorry. If Sue actually goes after another guy after the ending of the first film then the writers need to burn in hell.


I agree 100%, i can accept the surfer being infacuated with her and sue reciprocating a lil but never taking it further than that.

Kinda like the way she was with namor in the comics, she had a crush on him but never went for it.

I like the idea of statham for the role, he's got a great physique, he's a stuntman so can do the action and is already bald lol.

[The Apatow Crew]

glad someone else liked my idea.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I would have to say no to Statham. Not a role for him. I would love to see him as Hitman 47 though if they ever get that movie off the ground. And he would make an awesome Pittsy (Punisher villain) too.

[blind_fury]

Statham is right for Bullseye.

He's wrong for Silver Surfer.

[The Apatow Crew]

hey like i said i was just throwing it out there. most likely there get a pretty boy actor for the part.

how about Ryan Reynolds?

or is that even worse than staham?

[MoPlaYa]

I think Dwayne Johnson a.k.a The Rock would be a cool Silver Surfer

[Lobo]

Caviezel would be great, but I think ion bailey would make an excellent SS

[MJB]

Well the only person from IGN I see ANY CHANCE of happening is Rhys Meyers.

Wentworth Miller? Hmm. Never seen him act but going by his resume and appearance he looks like a nice fit.


true, and Miller looks good as well, but people will ****** about him being half black even though you can't really tell.

[MJB]

i just had this idea then felt realy sick after because i realized how this easily could be a possibility, imagine the Fuc*rs at Fox make it so he can turn it on and off, you know being silver and having powers.


This discussion has been done before about the SS going back and forth between human and Silver form. I can accept it. I would much rather have a great looking silver surfer that goes back and forth between his silver and humanoid form because of cost effectivness then him being in Collosses looking cheap make up the entire film.

[Hunter Rider]

Out of Stax suggestion Myers and Cavieziel are the best choices IMO but Miller could also work

Now wait for Paul Walker to be casthttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Carp Man]

Out of Stax suggestion Myers and Cavieziel are the best choices IMO but Miller could also work

Now wait for Paul Walker to be casthttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

I have the perfect solution. Make him cg. End of problem. Because we all know Galactus will have to be cg to make him believable.

[MJB]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif[/IMG]

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ! That's funny, but yet scary at the same time.

[Hunter Rider]

There's been some talk in the forum that SS may well be able to turn his silver look on and off especially given the rumoured love triangle with Sue
I can see this as a distinct posibility given that they would probably want to cast a hunky actor and not use as much CGI this way
How would you feel about this ?

[Carp Man]

There's been some talk in the forum that SS may well be able to turn his silver look on and off especially given the rumoured love triangle with Sue
I can see this as a distinct posibility given that they would probably want to cast a hunky actor and not use as much CGI this way
How would you feel about this ?

You know which way I voted. I like original.

[MJB]

Well the SS is going to be costly if he's done right. I actually don't mind him switching forms. Sure it's not exactly the SS from the comics, but I would rather have a good looking SS then a cheesy looking one thruout the entire film.

[Carp Man]

Lets get real here. Whoever they cast as the SS, will be the male JA. The'll bring in some drop dead georgeous actor, to play the Surfer, have Sue making googly eyes at him, and they have the idea, this will draw in the teenage girls. If that is what Fox has in mind. Pardon me. I have to use the facilities. :down

[Hunter Rider]

Well the SS is going to be costly if he's done right. I actually don't mind him switching forms. Sure it's not exactly the SS from the comics, but I would rather have a good looking SS then a cheesy looking one thruout the entire film.

That's an interesting way to look at it,would it be best to have SS look sharp in the action sequences and keep him human in other parts to make sure the budget can cope,would that be a good sacrifice ?

[Carp Man]

That's an interesting way to look at it,would it be best to have SS look sharp in the action sequences and keep him human in other parts to make sure the budget can cope,would that be a good sacrifice ?

I'm sure that's what the'll do, because I have seen where the spx cost have kept them from doing a Surfer movie before now. So yea, we'll have to live with half and half. It will be a joke, but ok. It won't be true SS. I say fit the full SS within the budget, not water him down to save money. If it means less screen time, then so be it, to stay true to the original. I mean if Chilkis can be in The Thing suit 12 hours a day. Surley the actor who plays the SS can stay in what will prob. be a skin tight silver outfit for the same amount of time.

[Retroman]

SS is not Colossus. Please keep him in his true form.

[Casius--J]

I want him in his true form if actors like kelsey grammer, alan cumming, rebecca romjin and chikis can be in prostectics and make up all day then whoever plays the surfer sure as hell can.

Not to say i will be ranting if they go the silver on route but i'd be disappointed.

[Carp Man]

I want him in his true form if actors like kelsey grammer, alan cumming, rebecca romjin and chikis can be in prostectics and make up all day then whoever plays the surfer sure as hell can.

Not to say i will be ranting if they go the silver on route but i'd be disappointed.

Didn't I just say that ? lol. You got an actor in a silver costume, the only spx you would need would be him flying on his surfboard, or using his powers. I remember SS having a love intrest in the comics. And he didn't change back and forth. Allmost sounds like he would have to be like the Capri Sun commerical or liquid silver like T 1000 in Termanator 2.

[lordofthenerds]

SS is not Colossus. Please keep him in his true form.
And since Colossus looked somewhat similar to SS in X3, I wouldn't be surprised if people confused the 2. Lame idea. :down

[Matt312]

It woulb be cool if he could be FX but I don't think they have the $$$ to do it. They will most likely cast a pretty boy for the Sue Storm love triangle.

[Kelly]

I honestly know absolutely nothing of the Silver Surfer, therefore it would not hurt my feelings either way.....nor would I lose sleep over it....lol

[GL's Light]

Stax gives some really good casting suggestions there. The ones I like the most are Guy Pearce, James Caviezel, and Jonathan Rhys Meyers. Jude Law would be a good choice, too, but I'd rather see him play The Joker.

[Symbiote Hulk]

SIlver On? That sounds alot like Flame on. I think it be best if each Fantastic hero is unique.:ff:
And yeah I agree, some people might get mixed up if they saw both X-Men and Fantastic 4.

[Carp Man]

And since Colossus looked somewhat similar to SS in X3, I wouldn't be surprised if people confused the 2. Lame idea. :down

Just noticed your sig. ROFLMAO.

[Hunter Rider]

SIlver On? That sounds alot like Flame on. I think it be best if each Fantastic hero is unique.:ff:

You need to read the first post,i was referring to whether in the movie SS may turn his power on and off in the way Torch does

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think something like this would do a lot of harm to the character. Sure, with his power, he could do something like that if he wanted to, but he's not human, he has not interest in being human. He needs to start the film with a contempt and disinterest in humans so that his ultimate betrayal of Galactus for them is so much the more poignant.

From the tiny bits and pieces I've heard so far, though, I'm beginning to worry that this film will have little respect for the original stories, so it could happen.

[Drakon]

I'm the same way, Willie.

If he can Silver Up and Down at will, it kinda removes the idea of him being one of Galactus' lackeys, since it puts him more in tune with himself than with Galactus, making him more Norrin Raad, and less Surfer. Not that I mind Norrin Raad, but let's face it--Earth isn't his home planet, so why should he initially want to try to fit in, or even be able to?

Though, if they DO give him the ability to Silver Down, I can see immediately what they'd do. They'd give him medium length silver hair, and silver contacts. Maybe even give him some of that stupid looking silver fingernail polish.

[Hunter Rider]

I'm the same way, Willie.

If he can Silver Up and Down at will, it kinda removes the idea of him being one of Galactus' lackeys, since it puts him more in tune with himself than with Galactus, making him more Norrin Raad, and less Surfer. Not that I mind Norrin Raad, but let's face it--Earth isn't his home planet, so why should he initially want to try to fit in, or even be able to?

Though, if they DO give him the ability to Silver Down, I can see immediately what they'd do. They'd give him medium length silver hair, and silver contacts. Maybe even give him some of that stupid looking silver fingernail polish.
Now i have visions of him looking like Quicksilver in Emo form:eek:
I have to agree with you 2,i was just curious as to how everyone would feel about it

[Logan Howlett]

I like the idea, the original way would probobly get to boring on screen.

[Drakon]

Now i have visions of him looking like Quicksilver in Emo form:eek:

Pretty much. I'll have to make a manip to explain what I'm thinking later. Right now, I'm lazy.

[Kelly]

Pretty much. I'll have to make a manip to explain what I'm thinking later. Right now, I'm lazy.


Get off your ass and make that manip!:o

[The Geek Vault]

No no no, definitly no. Surfer is a being of energy he should appear as silvery light in human form. I've always thought of him as a energy not even a solid matter at all. Hence he's techniqually naked.

[Drakon]

Yes Ma'am! :o

[Hunter Rider]

Yes Ma'am! :o

Even mods know not to mess with the ladies:O

[Kelly]

*smiles* I think my avvy scared him....lol

[Malus]

After the critical drubbing and fan backlash over the terrible changes they made to Dr. Doom, I have a feeling they're gonna be making SS as faithful as possible. No matter how much money FF1 made, getting trashed by practically every major critic and a huge chunk of the fans had to have had some impact with the producers.
Being able to "Silver on and off" is an idea I PRAY is restricted to this forum. I can see nothing good coming out of that. And it certainly shouldn't be done to save on the budget.:rolleyes:
My money says no way will they do that. And any "love triangle" involving Reed, Sue & Surfer will be nothing more than the classic misunderstanding between Ben, Alicia and the Surfer in the original story.

[Drakon]

*smiles* I think my avvy scared him....lol

I've got it started, but I'm too lazy to finish it at the moment, and I've gotta split.

[Tony Stark]

I don't know that there's been any viable rumors to attest to this. Personally I think he should remain the surfer permanently, because it convey's his disconnect with his former life.

The main things that I think need to remain in tact for the surfer are:

1.) As Norrin Radd he's a scientist
2.) He sacrifices his life to save his world
3.) Wheather it's Alicia or Sue, he needs to see his former life through their eyes.
4.) He will betray Galactus to save Earth, and be exiled.
5.) He must be the ultimate philosipher, Christ like. He cannot understand racism or terrorism, and has great empathy for the human struggle.

If they keep those thing, those are paramount. If they change certain things about his origin, as long as they don't change those things, then the essence of the character is in tact.

[Kmack]

Is it so hard to stick to the original source material:confused: If it ain't broke don't fix it:mad::up:

[JustABill]

I've never really liked the surfer, but for the sakes of his fans, keep him the way he is Fox.

But I already know they won't.

[Tony Stark]

Is it so hard to stick to the original source material:confused: If it ain't broke don't fix it:mad::up:

when you're making a movie, yes. In comics you have hundreds of issues to go an explain stuff, and marvel goes in all the time and retcons stuff anyway.

If the essense of the character is honored, that is about all you can ask. A literal translation of the character may or may not work. Since you and I don't know what the script is, then it's impossible to answer that question.

Was Doc Ock's origin, different than the comics? yes. Did it honor the comics? yes. Even so there's still fanboys screaming about it on the Spider-man boards.

[Excel]

it sounds totally pointless, but this movie was never gonna be all that faithful anyways

[MJB]

Well SS/Norrin Radd in humanoid form is a white looking male with a shaved head. The males on his home planet are shaved bald when they reach a certain age. What ever the shaving process is the hair doesn't grow back. We can all debate it but having him silver on and off is workable for me, becasue i want the fx to be great.

PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY AT FOX NEED TO TAKE NOTE THAT SS'S SKIN IS NOT SILVER WHAT SO EVER IN PIGMENT TONE. I'm not too keen on some kind of Silver make up like Mystique. The Silver is some kind of energy galactic glaze that galactus covered his body with. It's not his skin color. it's more like the silver form T2 or when Neo took the pill in the first matrix.

I don't really have a lot of faith in the creative team on the f4 to get the SS right. I'm pretty sure their idea will be to paint some actor Silver. Someone with imagination and good makeup fx like Stan Winston can do the Surfer right probably. That weak ass creative team couldn't even get grimm right. I think CGI would probably be the best way to go. Having him in humanoid form out of action and in Siver form during action works for me so long as he looks good.

[Malus]

PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY AT FOX NEED TO TAKE NOTE THAT SS'S SKIN IS NOT SILVER WHAT SO EVER IN PIGMENT TONE. I'm not too keen on some kind of Silver make up like Mystique. The Silver is some kind of energy galactic glaze that galactus covered his body with. It's not his skin color. it's more like the silver form T2 or when Neo took the pill in the first matrix.

YES! "Galactic glaze" is the perfect way to describe it.
I sure hope they don't go for any kind of body make-up thing. He could end up looking like an albino version of Data from Star Trek-TNG.

The Surfer must come across as ethereal and other-worldly. Silver paint will not cut it.

[Kmack]

when you're making a movie, yes. In comics you have hundreds of issues to go an explain stuff, and marvel goes in all the time and retcons stuff anyway.

If the essense of the character is honored, that is about all you can ask. A literal translation of the character may or may not work. Since you and I don't know what the script is, then it's impossible to answer that question.

Was Doc Ock's origin, different than the comics? yes. Did it honor the comics? yes. Even so there's still fanboys screaming about it on the Spider-man boards.
I wasn't speaking in general, I was talking about this new, bogus, silver-on/silver-off proposition. I don't mean to sound as if I'm over-reacting, but Doom wasn't really, uh, "honored" in FF and this new bit of news has me a bit worried:( And I think it has more to do with the budget than origin. . .

[Hunter Rider]

Was Doc Ock's origin, different than the comics? yes. Did it honor the comics? yes. Even so there's still fanboys screaming about it on the Spider-man boards.
I love Spidey 2(just watched it the other night) but i don't really think they kept much of Ock's comic roots there

[Willie Lumpkin]

After the critical drubbing and fan backlash over the terrible changes they made to Dr. Doom, I have a feeling they're gonna be making SS as faithful as possible. No matter how much money FF1 made, getting trashed by practically every major critic and a huge chunk of the fans had to have had some impact with the producers.
Being able to "Silver on and off" is an idea I PRAY is restricted to this forum. I can see nothing good coming out of that. And it certainly shouldn't be done to save on the budget.:rolleyes:
My money says no way will they do that. And any "love triangle" involving Reed, Sue & Surfer will be nothing more than the classic misunderstanding between Ben, Alicia and the Surfer in the original story.

I hope you're right, but Jessica's comments have been making me nervous. I'm trying to just relax and wait for more info.

[Carp Man]

Is it so hard to stick to the original source material:confused: If it ain't broke don't fix it:mad::up:

Not really hard at all. If you're trying to appeal to the teens, then it is. They are thinking too much. Trying to save a buck. The original has worked for over 40 years. It has stood the test of time, why mess with it ?

[Willie Lumpkin]

Not really hard at all. If you're trying to appeal to the teens, then it is. They are thinking too much. Trying to save a buck. The original has worked for over 40 years. It has stood the test of time, why mess with it ?

I think it goes beyond logical rationalization such as appealing to a certain demographic or financial concerns. I think it also goes beyond comic-based films.

I think there's a general arrogance and vanity in hollywood that makes them think they can take classic stories and make them "better".

Look at he '70s King Kong remake. It was a mess. When Peter Jackson made a much more faithful adaptation, it was a much better film . . . but probably could have been even better if it was even closer to the original.

I used to read a lot about Wild Bill Hickock and he had an absolutely fascinating life. But when Hollywood made a film, they decided his actual life wasn't good enough, and they changed everything around.

I could go on and on with hundreds of examples in which Hollywood has decided they could make things "better" but failed.

There's a reason that the Galactus / Silver Surfer story stands out as one of the best stories of all time. Of the thousands of Stories Jack and Stan did, that one stands out. Even Jack and Stan probably couldn't tell us exactly why, but there are elements that simply work.

We don't know today what will be remembered 35 years from now. This is a story that we remember from 35 years ago.

Don't **** with it!

[Spoarz™]

I don't like this idea personally, look how fans reacted when they changed the character of Dr. Doom :doom:

[The Geek Vault]

I'm still going with my being of energy idea. that he appears as a light like a shooting star. Then he takes form of whatever sees him. Like Galactus does.

[Kelly]

I wasn't speaking in general, I was talking about this new, bogus, silver-on/silver-off proposition. I don't mean to sound as if I'm over-reacting, but Doom wasn't really, uh, "honored" in FF and this new bit of news has me a bit worried:( And I think it has more to do with the budget than origin. . .

But no one has mentioned Silver on, Silver off except Hunter in this poll.....as far as interviews and whatever....no one from Fox, Marvel, production team no one has spoke on what he will look like at all......so this isn't news......of any kind....its just alittle speculation on Hunter's part.....



Unless Hunter actually works for Fox........eyes Hunter suspiciously....

[Mr. Credible]

i always pictured him being not so much silver, but more like a mirror. does that make sense?

also, no on/off, please.

[Kelly]

i always pictured him being not so much silver, but more like a mirror. does that make sense?

also, no on/off, please.

That makes sense....and that could go more towards the look of energy...whatever that is....lol

[Carp Man]

There's a reason that the Galactus / Silver Surfer story stands out as one of the best stories of all time. Of the thousands of Stories Jack and Stan did, that one stands out. Even Jack and Stan probably couldn't tell us exactly why, but there are elements that simply work.

We don't know today what will be remembered 35 years from now. This is a story that we remember from 35 years ago.

Don't **** with it!

Well said. Look what they do with the old TV shows. Bewitched- bomb. Dukes of Hazzard - bomb. Because they can not get that actor/actress chemistry that made the original work so well. We remember Galactus/Silver Surfer. Namor/Sub marnior. The inhumans, Dr. Doom, Frightful Four, Skrulls, Mole Man, Puppet Master, and the list goes on. It worked then, it will work now. Like the old games. Monopolly, Chutes and Ladders, Battleship, and the list goes on. All those games that i played 45 years ago are still as popullar today. Because the technology changes from generation, to generation, but the basic child, never changes. Don't mess with the original, because I have said it before and you know I don't have a problem repeating myself. They go the Ultimate route with the FF, they will lose this fan. Not of the FF, but I won't pay 2 cents to go see it, or rent it, or buy it. It comes on free tv, I'll prob. watch it. I spent allmost 70 dollars to go see the original movie, and 20 to buy the DVD, and I'll buy the DC when it is out. So that is over 100 dollars they will be loosing. Not much, but if the faithfull all pull together, and say HELL NO, WE WON'T ACCEPT THIS CRAP. WE REFUSE TO ACCEPT YOUR INTERPITATION OF THE FF. No Sue Storm does not look like a hooker, with her clevage hanging out all over the place, that's not the Sue Storm I remember, then it will work. But I'll be damed if I will spend a penny if they **** with it too much. It ain't broke, LEAVE IT THE **** ALONE. Ok. I'll get off my soapbox now, and see if anyone has the you know what's to agree with me.

[Advanced Dark]

Well said. Look what they do with the old TV shows. Bewitched- bomb. Dukes of Hazzard - bomb. Because they can not get that actor/actress chemistry that made the original work so well. We remember Galactus/Silver Surfer. Namor/Sub marnior. The inhumans, Dr. Doom, Frightful Four, Skrulls, Mole Man, Puppet Master, and the list goes on. It worked then, it will work now. Like the old games. Monopolly, Chutes and Ladders, Battleship, and the list goes on. All those games that i played 45 years ago are still as popullar today. Because the technology changes from generation, to generation, but the basic child, never changes. Don't mess with the original, because I have said it before and you know I don't have a problem repeating myself. They go the Ultimate route with the FF, they will lose this fan. Not of the FF, but I won't pay 2 cents to go see it, or rent it, or buy it. It comes on free tv, I'll prob. watch it. I spent allmost 70 dollars to go see the original movie, and 20 to buy the DVD, and I'll buy the DC when it is out. So that is over 100 dollars they will be loosing. Not much, but if the faithfull all pull together, and say HELL NO, WE WON'T ACCEPT THIS CRAP. WE REFUSE TO ACCEPT YOUR INTERPITATION OF THE FF. No Sue Storm does not look like a hooker, with her clevage hanging out all over the place, that's not the Sue Storm I remember, then it will work. But I'll be damed if I will spend a penny if they **** with it too much. It ain't broke, LEAVE IT THE **** ALONE. Ok. I'll get off my soapbox now, and see if anyone has the you know what's to agree with me.

You can't take the original run of FF comics and translate them word for word onto the big screen. You can't keep the same look, the same dialogue, origins, etc...It just doens't look or feel the same when you see it in motion in a 100 million dollar film. You want to keep the heart of the franchise in there, the characters, and the basic look, but things DO need to be updated to hold up in today's time. Comic books in the 60's were mainly geared towards children and teenagers and not meant for the masses like these movie releases are. Can you imagine if they did trasnlate the comic script from the 60's into a film. Maybe 1000 people total would see the movie. LOL Stan Lee & Kirby might have been good at their art at the time and it's great they created these characters but that was the 60's.

[Advanced Dark]

Silver on?

[Ricky_Tan]

i said it before, wentworth miller for surfer!!!1

[Carp Man]

You can't take the original run of FF comics and translate them word for word onto the big screen. You can't keep the same look, the same dialogue, origins, etc...It just doens't look or feel the same when you see it in motion in a 100 million dollar film. You want to keep the heart of the franchise in there, the characters, and the basic look, but things DO need to be updated to hold up in today's time. Comic books in the 60's were mainly geared towards children and teenagers and not meant for the masses like these movie releases are. Can you imagine if they did trasnlate the comic script from the 60's into a film. Maybe 1000 people total would see the movie. LOL Stan Lee & Kirby might have been good at their art at the time and it's great they created these characters but that was the 60's.

Bull. They did with Spiderman. Dunst didn't have her boobs hanging out, and it did just fine. So don't tell me they can't do it. They don't want to do it. They want to appeal to everyone, and they can do that with leaving the original alone. I don't want to see a man sized Galactus, I don't want to see a Silver Surfer like the T 1000 in Termanitor 2, the liquid silver type. I want to see the planet destroying Galactus. I want to see the original silver. I mean my goodness. If Chilkis can stay in the Thing suit for 12 hours a day, surley the actor playing Silver Surfer can stay in what should be a white, skin tight, suit for 12 hours. I mean come on what the hell are we talking here ? I don't want to see Sue Storm with her boobs hanging out all over the place, looking like a hooker. I want to see Sue Storm the lady. The motherly Sue Storm. I don't want to see Sue Storm in her underware. They have pimped her out for a few cheep thrills.

[Kelly]

You can't take the original run of FF comics and translate them word for word onto the big screen. You can't keep the same look, the same dialogue, origins, etc...It just doens't look or feel the same when you see it in motion in a 100 million dollar film. You want to keep the heart of the franchise in there, the characters, and the basic look, but things DO need to be updated to hold up in today's time. Comic books in the 60's were mainly geared towards children and teenagers and not meant for the masses like these movie releases are. Can you imagine if they did trasnlate the comic script from the 60's into a film. Maybe 1000 people total would see the movie. LOL Stan Lee & Kirby might have been good at their art at the time and it's great they created these characters but that was the 60's.

Theres a way to pay tribute to the original....but I doubt that the fans of this comic will ever be truly and wholly content with the final product....that seems to be an impossibility....but thats pretty much with everything.....

I just hope we don't have a spray painted guy......we know how well that worked with McMahon....with the weather in Vancouver they had to keep spraying him in the final scene....totally amateurish in my opinion.....I like what was being put out when we first heard for sure about SS...I like the liquid look type of thing, and since that technique is over a decade old, I think what they come up with could look even better with todays technology.....theres alot of potential with this movie....

[Advanced Dark]

Bull. They did with Spiderman. Dunst didn't have her boobs hanging out, and it did just fine. So don't tell me they can't do it. They don't want to do it. They want to appeal to everyone, and they can do that with leaving the original alone. I don't want to see a man sized Galactus, I don't want to see a Silver Surfer like the T 1000 in Termanitor 2, the liquid silver type. I want to see the planet destroying Galactus. I want to see the original silver. I mean my goodness. If Chilkis can stay in the Thing suit for 12 hours a day, surley the actor playing Silver Surfer can stay in what should be a white, skin tight, suit for 12 hours. I mean come on what the hell are we talking here ? I don't want to see Sue Storm with her boobs hanging out all over the place, looking like a hooker. I want to see Sue Storm the lady. The motherly Sue Storm.

I'm not talking about the boobs part. But Spidey's origin was changed. A genetically engineered super spider, organic web shooters, Mary Jane being his first girl, Mary Jane hanging from the cable car, Gwen shows up in Spiderman 3, Venom not coming from an Alien Planet, etc...I'm not talking about the heart of the origin but the details that make more sense in today's world, and that translate differently on paper as compared to the big screen. There's no arguing this. Also I do not want to see some guy in a white skin tight suit. Silver Surfer should be CGI enhanced to the bone. The Thing IMO should have been CGI like the Hulk. It's easeir to do rock textures and make them look real as compared to green skin...though the Hulk was done great. Chiklis' personality still would have shone through and The Thing's actions would have been much more impressive instead of looking like his lumbering around in a suit. The Thing looked "ok" to me but they should have at least mixed in more CGI in the action scenes. Also for some reason The Thing always appeared moist/wet looking in most scenes. Like a wet turd.

[Carp Man]

I'm not talking about the boobs part. But Spidey's origin was changed. A genetically engineered super spider, organic web shooters, Mary Jane being his first girl, Mary Jane hanging from the cable car, Gwen shows up in Spiderman 3, Venom not coming from an Alien Planet, etc...I'm not talking about the heart of the origin but the details that make more sense in today's world, and that translate differently on paper as compared to the big screen. There's no arguing this. Also I do not want to see some guy in a white skin tight suit. Silver Surfer should be CGI enhanced to the bone. The Thing IMO should have been CGI like the Hulk. It's easeir to do rock textures and make them look real as compared to green skin...though the Hulk was done great. Chiklis' personality still would have shone through and The Thing's actions would have been much more impressive instead of looking like his lumbering around in a suit. The Thing looked "ok" to me but they should have at least mixed in more CGI in the action scenes. Also for some reason The Thing always appeared moist/wet looking in most scenes. Like a wet turd.

What the heck are you smoking ? He was bitten by a spider, he did let the guy go who eventually killed his uncle Ben, Peter Parkers whole charactor was written exactly to the original. the organic web shooting from his wrist ? Np there. Allthough making the cartriges to go in the web shooter would have worked well. His stormy relation with J. Johna, dead on. 99 % of both Spiderman movies was pretty faithul to the source material. So don't tell me it can't work. It can work with a FEW minor alterations. Making Sue look like a hooker is not a MINOR change. It changed the perception of the whole charactor. Take the cg and stick it. Chilkis did a great job, it would not have worked as well. Galactus has to be cg to make him Glactus the planet destroyer.

[Hunter Rider]

Bull. They did with Spiderman. Dunst didn't have her boobs hanging out, and it did just fine. So don't tell me they can't do it. They don't want to do it. They want to appeal to everyone, and they can do that with leaving the original alone. I don't want to see a man sized Galactus, I don't want to see a Silver Surfer like the T 1000 in Termanitor 2, the liquid silver type. I want to see the planet destroying Galactus. I want to see the original silver. I mean my goodness. If Chilkis can stay in the Thing suit for 12 hours a day, surley the actor playing Silver Surfer can stay in what should be a white, skin tight, suit for 12 hours. I mean come on what the hell are we talking here ? I don't want to see Sue Storm with her boobs hanging out all over the place, looking like a hooker. I want to see Sue Storm the lady. The motherly Sue Storm. I don't want to see Sue Storm in her underware. They have pimped her out for a few cheep thrills.

You can't do SS in the same way that Thing was done and since when were Sue's boobs hanging out and when did she look like a hooker ?:confused:

[Kelly]

*sighs*.....

theres no way to ignore ignorance.....I give up!.....

[Advanced Dark]

What the heck are you smoking ? He was bitten by a spider, he did let the guy go who eventually killed his uncle Ben, Peter Parkers whole charactor was written exactly to the original. the organic web shooting from his wrist ? Np there. Allthough making the cartriges to go in the web shooter would have worked well. His stormy relation with J. Johna, dead on. 99 % of both Spiderman movies was pretty faithul to the source material. So don't tell me it can't work. It can work with a FEW minor alterations. Making Sue look like a hooker is not a MINOR change. It changed the perception of the whole charactor. Take the cg and stick it. Chilkis did a great job, it would not have worked as well. Galactus has to be cg to make him Glactus the planet destroyer.

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[Kelly]

You can't do SS in the same way that Thing was done and since when were Sue's boobs hanging out and when did she look like a hooker ?:confused:

Sue in the movie was shown as a beautiful woman, played by a beautiful woman.....just as beautiful as she is in the comics......

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/545/wifesue4mg8rh.th.jpg (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wifesue4mg8rh.jpg)

[Advanced Dark]

^ I think Carpthing is getting his comments by some of the posters that came out where they showed off much more than they did in the movie. Who the hell wants to see Jessica Alba with a turtleneck? Carpman I'm becoming concerned.

[Carp Man]

You can't do SS in the same way that Thing was done and since when were Sue's boobs hanging out and when did she look like a hooker ?:confused:

And why can't you do Surfer, like they did The Thing ? 1st scene. When she comes in with the uniforms, when they are getting ready to go into space. My god they must have spray painted that costume on, she had a push up bra the size of the Grand Cannon. With her clevage promitly displayed. The makeup, her facial expressions, the way she walked, swinging as much as she could. That's not the mental image I have of Sue Storm. 2nd. The scene on the Bridge. Totally uncalled for. I know Jessica did not like it, but both of those scenes were for the hormone laden teen boys out there. And that is pimping the charactor out for a few cheep thrills. Both those scenes we're totally uncalled for, and should have been cut.

[Kelly]

^ I think Carpthing is getting his comments by some of the posters that came out where they showed off much more than they did in the movie. Who the hell wants to see Jessica Alba with a turtleneck? Carpman I'm becoming concerned.

Well she certainly isn't covered up in that panel I just posted....and who says she has to be....she's a beautiful woman.....kind of dumb to dress her as a librarian.....*please, not meant as a slam to librarians"....*i have alot friends who are librarians*....*one of my best friends is a librarian*....wow I should probably edit that.....

[Symbiote Hulk]

And why can't you do Surfer, like they did The Thing ? 1st scene. When she comes in with the uniforms, when they are getting ready to go into space. My god they must have spray painted that costume on, she had a push up bra the size of the Grand Cannon. With her clevage promitly displayed. The makeup, her facial expressions, the way she walked, swinging as much as she could. That's not the mental image I have of Sue Storm. 2nd. The scene on the Bridge. Totally uncalled for. I know Jessica did not like it, but both of those scenes were for the hormone laden teen boys out there. And that is pimping the charactor out for a few cheep thrills. Both those scenes we're totally uncalled for.

Lol. Don't worry, I'm sure she won't be as exposed as the first one.:D

[Carp Man]

^ I think Carpthing is getting his comments by some of the posters that came out where they showed off much more than they did in the movie. Who the hell wants to see Jessica Alba with a turtleneck? Carpman I'm becoming concerned.

You can be concerned all you want. Preserving the integrity of the souce material, and the charactors is of paramount importance.

[Carp Man]

Lol. Don't worry, I'm sure she won't be as exposed as the first one.:D

Lets hope not for the sake of the charactor.

[Carp Man]

Well she certainly isn't covered up in that panel I just posted....and who says she has to be....she's a beautiful woman.....kind of dumb to dress her as a librarian.....*please, not meant as a slam to librarians"....*i have alot friends who are librarians*....*one of my best friends is a librarian*....wow I should probably edit that.....

You want to turn Sue Storm into nothing more then a piece of raw meat hanging in the butchers window ? Is that your Sue Storm ? I'm here trying to protect the integraty of an icon, the 1st mother of comics Sue Storm, and trying to keep the FF from being turned into a freek show. I mean I shudder to think who they will get to play the Surfer, and what kind of washboard abs he'll have, and all the shirless scenes.

[Matt312]

I also think it will be Wentworth Miller( Fox T.V. series)
Michael Chiklis & Julian McMahon ( Fox T.V. series)
But then again it could be Paul Walker or some no name actor

[Hunter Rider]

And why can't you do Surfer, like they did The Thing ? 1st scene. When she comes in with the uniforms, when they are getting ready to go into space. My god they must have spray painted that costume on, she had a push up bra the size of the Grand Cannon. With her clevage promitly displayed. The makeup, her facial expressions, the way she walked, swinging as much as she could. That's not the mental image I have of Sue Storm. 2nd. The scene on the Bridge. Totally uncalled for. I know Jessica did not like it, but both of those scenes were for the hormone laden teen boys out there. And that is pimping the charactor out for a few cheep thrills. Both those scenes we're totally uncalled for, and should have been cut.

Silver Surfer is a being made of cosmic energy covering ,he is not a natural material,he needs to be done with CGI and motion capture,he can't be done with a guy in a suit and some spray paint
WTF ? a woman looks sexy and that makes her a hooker ? geeez :rolleyes:
The bridge scene was a bit of comedy,uneeded yes but still notihgn more than a bit of fun and not ****ty or any other term you may bring up

[Kelly]

Silver Surfer is a being made of cosmic energy covering ,he is not a natural material,he needs to be done with CGI and motion capture,he can't be done with a guy in a suit and some spray paint
WTF ? a woman looks sexy and that makes her a hooker ? geeez :rolleyes:
The bridge scene was a bit of comedy,uneeded yes but still notihgn more than a bit of fun and not ****ty or any other term you may bring up

Again, the ignorance of thinking with the **** rather than the brain....

[Hunter Rider]

Again, the ignorance of thinking with the **** rather than the brain....

I thought it was just not thinking period:(

[Advanced Dark]

You can be concerned all you want. Preserving the integrity of the souce material, and the charactors is of paramount importance.

So having a guy wearing skin tight white leotards portraying the "Silver" Surfer and finding a flat chested woman to play Susan Storm is the key? Carp are you Roger Corman?

[Spider - Man]

Galactus ENCASED Norrin Radd in the silver shell. He's TRAPPED in it!!! This effectively further enhances his alienation from anyone else and his forced solitude. Doesn't Fox get that? Probably not. They'll throw that entire dramatic element out the window for some window dressing! They suck!!!

[Kelly]

I thought it was just not thinking period:(

In that case the **** got in the way....

[Advanced Dark]

Galactus ENCASED Norrin Radd in the silver shell. He's TRAPPED in it!!! This effectively further enhances his alienation from anyone else and his forced solitude. Doesn't Fox get that? Probably not. They'll throw that entire dramatic element out the window for some window dressing! They suck!!!

Instead of having a temper tantrum why don't you e-mail Tim Story and suggest this. I have a feeling though after the events of FF2 and FF3 they'll do a Silver Surfer origin film to address everything else. Not every franchise has to start with the origin for it to be successful. Of course it needs to be done right. So go to myspace and join up if you haven't already and e-mail Tim Story one time. Make up a list of your concerns and send it to him. He said he'd read them all...though he might not respond to them.

[Hunter Rider]

This is how i think SS should be done



http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1236/a3sb.gifhttp://img111.imageshack.us/img111/9682/silver20surfer3vo.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.imageshack.us/)

[Kelly]

This is how i think SS should be done



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Definitely, but I want more definition of muscle like in the pic on the left......what? I like muscular guys.....WHATS WRONG WITH THAT.....????

[Carp Man]

So having a guy wearing skin tight white leotards portraying the "Silver" Surfer and finding a flat chested woman to play Susan Storm is the key? Carp are you Roger Corman?

Did I say anything about a flat chested woman ? Sue Storm was not flat chested, but she was depicted as a lady. I loved jessica's porteral of Sue. Absolutly no problem there. This has nothing to do with Jessica. Most of the film she was dressed the way Sue Storm shold be. And thru the movie, she was a lady of the highest class. But a lady you did not want to have po'd at you. But those few scenes, cheepened the rest of her performance. Take out those 2 scenes and would have taken care of the problem. But they couldn't resist a shot or 2 of hormone pumping. Whatever it takes to have the Surfer, look as he did in the beginning, and Galactus bigger then life, I'm all for. If that means cgi, then so be it. Forget the liquid silver bit. Forget the T 1000 look. It looked awfull then, and even more so now. And that's Thing 2005 to you.:p

[Hunter Rider]

Definitely, but I want more definition of muscle like in the pic on the left......what? I like muscular guys.....WHATS WRONG WITH THAT.....????
Heh,yeah i think they will give him some abs but the basic process is the way to go IMO

[Kelly]

Heh,yeah i think they will give him some abs but the basic process is the way to go IMO

Yep....totally agree...

[Hunter Rider]

. Forget the T 1000 look. It looked awfull then, and even more so now.

Dear god you get worse:(

[Kelly]

Dear god you get worse:(


A man totally nude, sprayed with silver paint.....pulled up by ropes and swung from side to side on a surf board....yeah...yeah....thats what I want.....:o

Noooo. wait....put a speedo on him first...yeah....speedo first....but everything has to be done inside....cause with Vancouver weather hey could really go over budget on cans of silver spray......AND it must be the same brand.....we don't want low budget crap in this movie.....no we sure don't.....we want them to go all out with our silver encrusted silver surfer.....only the best brand of spray paint should be used....

[Carp Man]

Dear god you get worse:(

What because I want things to look like I remember them ? I want things to look right ? Say what you want about Corman's film, but dame it he tried to remaim as faithfull as he could to the original materal. And if he had had the budget this movie had, who knows what he could have done. What the hell's wroung with that ?

[Carp Man]

A man totally nude, sprayed with silver paint.....pulled up by ropes and swung from side to side on a surf board....yeah...yeah....thats what I want.....:o

At least he would look original, and not someones Ultimate fantasy.

[Hunter Rider]

What because I want things to look like I remember them ? I want things to look right ? Say what you want about Corman's film, but dame it he tried to remaim as faithfull as he could to the original materal. And if he had had the budget this movie had, who knows what he could have done. What the hell's wroung with that ?

Read........please

[Hunter Rider]

A man totally nude, sprayed with silver paint.....pulled up by ropes and swung from side to side on a surf board....yeah...yeah....thats what I want.....:o

LMAOhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif..........better give him some underoo's it's cold in Vancouver:eek:

[Kelly]

A man totally nude, sprayed with silver paint.....pulled up by ropes and swung from side to side on a surf board....yeah...yeah....thats what I want.....:o

Noooo. wait....put a speedo on him first...yeah....speedo first....but everything has to be done inside....cause with Vancouver weather hey could really go over budget on cans of silver spray......AND it must be the same brand.....we don't want low budget crap in this movie.....no we sure don't.....we want them to go all out with our silver encrusted silver surfer.....only the best brand of spray paint should be used....


MAYBE.....JUST MAYBE.....


HOME DEPOT could be our big sponsor......ya know....we could have Fantastic Four banners on the outside of every Home Depot in the country.....their in Canada too right?......yeah......and we could also have a guy sprayed with silver spray paint at every Home Depot to take pics with the kids....that'll get people into the theatre......DAMN....thats a good idea....

Or would ya'll reather have LOWES???????? I say Home Depot.....

[Hunter Rider]

^^^^Marketting Genius Kelhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif:up:

[Kelly]

^^^^Marketting Genius Kelhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif:up:

Thank you......man I'm tired now......Wow....all that thinking took alot out of me......apparently not having a **** has taken a toll on my thinking ability when it comes to the F4 2 movie.....

[Carp Man]

http://kitscomics.com/silver/10.jpgThis is the Silver Surfer people. Drawn by Jack "King" Kirby

[Hunter Rider]

Thank you......man I'm tired now......Wow....all that thinking took alot out of me......

I just hope the budget will stretch to the gallons of spray paint needed:up:

[Kelly]

I just hope the budget will stretch to the gallons of spray paint needed:up:


I don't know....they have to ratchet it up to 25 million at least.....ya think Fox would spend 25 million on a movie with Gloss based Silver Surfer???


Hmmmmm..... maybe Home Depot will give them a discount....

[Hunter Rider]

I don't know....they have to ratchet it up to 25 million at least.....ya think Fox would spend 25 million on a movie with Gloss based Silver Surfer???

hmmmmmmmm that might be pushing it,maybe for long shots they can just colour him in with felt tip ?

[Kelly]

hmmmmmmmm that might be pushing it,maybe for long shots they can just colour him in with felt tip ?



AWWWWWW...... I didn't think of that......see my lack of the obvious kept me from thinking of the felt TIP pen.........:o


*snaps fingers*.....damn why didn't I think of that....I hate being a blonde....

[Hunter Rider]

AWWWWWW...... I didn't think of that......see my lack of the obvious kept me from thinking of the felt TIP pen.........:o


*snaps fingers*.....damn why didn't I think of that....I hate being a blonde....

The Felt Tip Pen is mighter than the spray can:O :up: