SILVER SURFER/ Lawrence Fishburne, Doug Jones Discussion Thread

[Iron Maiden]

everyone has to start somewhere, and being a tv actor doesnt necesarily mean a bad actor, Julian Mcmahon happens to be an incredible actor (regardless of his performance in F4) so who knows, this guy called upstage all the Snakes On The Mother****ing Plane

My sentiments exactly.... even Johnny Depp started on 21 Jump Street when the Fox network was laughed at and no one thought the network would survive.

Hey I just looked at your signature! Are you sure you're not Christian Troy in disguise?:)

[Retroman]

Interesting development.
Personally, i was really hoping that they FF2 could get a big star or oscar winner to join the ranks.Someone who could really raise the level of performance in the movie.


Can't say i've ever heard of Bruce James before. That doesn't mean he can't act i just wanted a big name

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[Hunter Rider]

I think it's a good idea to cast a lesser known actor for SS as the role should be the star not a big name IMO plus if you have a big name the movie risks becoming all about him and SS rather than the F4

[Iceburgeruk]

Best idea...period. Hulk worked...thing sounded great but clearly a guy in a suit. A cosmic herald to galactus...CGI or bust. Period.

I agree. Think for a second what would a live action surfer look like. A guy in fake silver paint with fake silver speedos (prob with an obvious underwear seem in every shot.). A CGI surfer is the best way to go as you can then have him look very otherworldy and cosmic as opposed to underwear model with spray paint on him.

[TheDarkestAngel]

I think it's a good idea to cast a lesser known actor for SS as the role should be the star not a big name IMO plus if you have a big name the movie risks becoming all about him and SS rather than the F4I totally agree, a big name star would detract from what F4 is about with an ensamble cast. They also need to find someone in the 20-30 age group that hasn't been in any of the other comic book movies.

[Advanced Dark]

It wouldn't be CGI on him (unless they go for an upgraded version of Scanner Darkly) but it'd be more like CGI used over his motion capture.

[gvcool2]

My sentiments exactly.... even Johnny Depp started on 21 Jump Street when the Fox network was laughed at and no one thought the network would survive.

Hey I just looked at your signature! Are you sure you're not Christian Troy in disguise?:)

I very much maybe :up:

[gvcool2]

Interesting development.
Personally, i was really hoping that they FF2 could get a big star or oscar winner to join the ranks.Someone who could really raise the level of performance in the movie.


Can't say i've ever heard of Bruce James before. That doesn't mean he can't act i just wanted a big name

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/9105/39f4ho.jpg

The problem with the big names is they take away the focus from the character and suddenly your not watching Silver surfer your watching Keanu Reeves Surfing through the Galaxy, or in that case 'Silver Bill's Most Excellent Adventures'. I'd be extremely happy with an unknown as they can inhabit the character and make you believe their abilities (something Johnny Depp does in every performance). The 2 downsides to this approach is firstly for the actor himself, being CGI'd in afterwards means his career will never shoot off quite how Tobey Maguires did after Spiderman and also the B.O could very much suffer having an unknown playing him, Ghost Rider is playing these cards safe by having Nic Cage as Blaze, however I feel as it is also the F4 there won't be that problem as we already have the big named cast (Jesssica Alba mainly) to bring in the audiences.

[Kelly]

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/717/717254p1.html

sad part is that he is a TV ACTOR!!!!! and has a very short role in snakes on a plane!!!

F4 movie is full of TV actors lol

Except jessica alba an i think chris evans

and Ioan Gruffund, and Kerry Washington....so lets see out of the 6 main actors 2 or at this moment TV actors, and both have filmed feature films this year....hmmm....

[rnewbz]

I like unknown actors, there is a sense of excitment, because you don't know exactly what to expect. Every actor has to start somewhere, besides sometimes when you get a big name actor there can be future scheduling problems for sequals and such.

[Advanced Dark]

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/717/717254p1.html

sad part is that he is a TV ACTOR!!!!! and has a very short role in snakes on a plane!!!

F4 movie is full of TV actors lol

Except jessica alba an i think chris evans

Few other TV actors: (Lot's of Michaels)

Brad Pitt
Will Smith
Michael Douglas
Michael Keaton
George Clooney
Michael J Fox
Topher Grace
Michael Chiklis
Ray Liotta
Morgan Freeman
Lawrence Fishburn
Patrick Stewart

and the countless famous actors who started on soaps. The list is unending.

[gvcool2]

why are we listing TV actors?

ahhh hell I may as well add some

Brandon Routh
Will Smith
Jim Carrey
Dylan Walsh

this is kinda fun...

[Advanced Dark]

You know Tim Story never actually denied Vin Diesel would play Norin Radd. He denied he's playing the Silver Surfer. Hmmmm. ;)

[gvcool2]

You know Tim Story never actually denied Vin Diesel would play Norin Radd. He denied he's playing the Silver Surfer. Hmmmm. ;)

let's just say to make people feel better that diesel is not in the movie :O

[Kelly]

let's just say to make people feel better that diesel is not in the movie :O

I don't have a problem with him playing this part....there are others I would like more....but I wouldn't rupture a disc if he played Norin Radd.

[gvcool2]

I don't have a problem with him playing this part....there are others I would like more....but I wouldn't rupture a disc if he played Norin Radd.

TBH i would be happy if he were cast, alot happier than someone like Keanu Reeves, I wouldn't mind seeing a Norrin Radd similar to the quiet dangerous loner like diesel played in Pitch Black, or even the emotional, nothing to lose role like A Man Apart

[Joe Rockhead]

Few other TV actors: (Lot's of Michaels)

Brad Pitt
Will Smith
Michael Douglas
Michael Keaton
George Clooney
Michael J Fox
Topher Grace
Michael Chiklis
Ray Liotta
Morgan Freeman
Lawrence Fishburn
Patrick Stewart

and the countless famous actors who started on soaps. The list is unending.

You missed one of the biggest.

Tom Hanks.... 2 Oscars to the man who got his first break wearing a dress on Bosom Buddies.

[ISHMAEL]

On the Attack Of the Show on G4TV they said Bruce James is the frontrunner to play Silver Surfer in FF2

[Kelly]

On the Attack Of the Show on G4TV they said Bruce James is the frontrunner to play Silver Surfer in FF2

They are wrong.:)

[Hunter Rider]

They are wrong.:)

have i missed something ?:confused:

[ISHMAEL]

They are wrong.:) i dunno but darkhorzions said it also and there pretty realible heres the link
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news06/060710h.php

[Darthphere]

Just get Alan Tudyk and call it a day.

[Kelly]

i dunno but darkhorzions said it also and there pretty realible heres the link
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news06/060710h.php

I've read it, they probably got it from IGN.

And yes darkhorizons is a good site.

[ISHMAEL]

I've read it, they probably got it from IGN.
yea thats where they said they got it from. but i hope the make it with motion capture like on King Kong

[Kelly]

yea thats where they said they got it from. but i hope the make it with motion capture like on King Kong

Hmmmmm don't know about motion capture, just not fluid enough for me. The Capri-Sun commercial has a perfect example of something I would like to see. BUT it has been said that it is NEW CGI technology, so we may all be surprised.:)

[ISHMAEL]

Hmmmmm don't know about motion capture, just not fluid enough for me. The Capri-Sun commercial has a perfect example of something I would like to see. BUT it has been said that it is NEW CGI technology, so we may all be surprised.:)

:up: thats good IMO the CGI for the first was ok

[GhostPoet]

Pirates 2 CGI was utterly amazing

[iceberg325]

Pirates 2 CGI was utterly amazing

amen to that.

[Iron Maiden]

and Ioan Gruffund, and Kerry Washington....so lets see out of the 6 main actors 2 or at this moment TV actors, and both have filmed feature films this year....hmmm....


You forget the Julian has two unreleased films that he did on hiatus from "Nip/Tuck". An indy film that was shown out of competion at Cannes called "The Prisoner" (waiting to pick up a distributor) and a co-starring role with Sandra Bullock in "Premonition" for a 2007 release.

And for a TV actor, he has gotten a lot of critical notice, so much so that he is frequently mentioned along with the top rank on the small screen.

[Kelly]

You forget the Julian has two unreleased films that he did on hiatus from "Nip/Tuck". An indy film that was shown out of competion at Cannes called "The Prisoner" (waiting to pick up a distributor) and a co-starring role with Sandra Bullock in "Premonition" for a 2007 release.

And for a TV actor, he has gotten a lot of critical notice, so much so that he is frequently mentioned along with the top rank on the small screen.

No I didn't forget, I just didn't mention the specific movies.....

so lets see out of the 6 main actors 2 or at this moment TV actors, and both have filmed feature films this year....hmmm....

[ISHMAEL]

Pirates 2 CGI was utterly amazing

**** yea :up:

[TrailerCues]

Will the F4 & the SS at first be enemies ? Because if so I would sooooooo want to see a fight between The Human Torch & The Silver Surfer while flying through the City. That would be an awesome visual. Torch Flamed Up & Surfer Silver Up. That is definitely a must have fight if they will be enemies at first

[The Dude]

Judgeing from the plot summary, I think Surfer will be a villian throughout most of the move, so you might get your Torch & Surfer fight TrailerCues

[Hellmistress]

Here ya go:

http://www.filmstalker.co.uk/archives/2006/07/doug_jones_for_silver_surfer.html (http://www.filmstalker.co.uk/archives/2006/07/doug_jones_for_silver_surfer.html)
http://aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=23873 (http://aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=23873)

HM

[Kelly]

Bumping

[Kelly]

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/5333/silversurfermotionmz5.gif


If a guy on a website can put this little gif together....I really don't know why we can't get a teaser with "Casino Royale" with the pic of the Four at the end of the battle together with the applause of the crowd.

"Four lives were changed", "June 2007, the world" and then something flying in and by like this......

Of course much better wording than mine, with better cgi than the pic....but something similar.

[Hunter Rider]

That's cool but they may want to make sure the CGI on SS is perfect before showing him to avoid the problems Hulk had when they used unfinished CGI in their superbowl spot

[Kelly]

That's cool but they may want to make sure the CGI on SS is perfect before showing him to avoid the problems Hulk had when they used unfinished CGI in their superbowl spot

We don't even have to see the SS, just a silver streak go by....nothing else......creates the tease, which is what its supposed to do......

[Hunter Rider]

We don't even have to see the SS, just a silver streak go by....nothing else......creates the tease, which is what its supposed to do......

That will lead to two reactions here:(

1)Boring they showed us nothing what was the point"

2)"They are hiding SS's b/c they have ruined his look"

It might be best to wait until they can show one good shot of him IMO

[Kelly]

That will lead to two reactions here:(

1)Boring they showed us nothing what was the point"

2)"They are hiding SS's b/c they have ruined his look"

It might be best to wait until they can show one good shot of him IMO


Your key word is "here"....and I'm sorry, but I don't care about that. I care that it teases the mainstream audience.

Funny, you said it was a good idea on IM. :confused:

[Hunter Rider]

Your key word is "here"....and I'm sorry, but I don't care about that. I care that it teases the mainstream audience.

Funny, you said it was a good idea on IM. :confused:

We talked about showing one shot of him above earth not just a silver streak:confused: also to have a movie with him in the title and not show him would be like not showing Superman in a teaser for his movie

[Kelly]

We talked about showing one shot of him above earth not just a silver streak:confused: also to have a movie with him in the title and not show him would be like not showing Superman in a teaser for his movie

no, i said streak straight into the camera...and we knew of the title during the conversation...but ok.:confused: :confused:

must be a different language in IM's and PM's....:)

[Hunter Rider]

no, i said streak straight into the camera...and we knew of the title during the conversation...but ok.:confused: :confused:

must be a different language in IM's and PM's....:)

Into the camera but we still see him ?

and no,not if you're suggesting what i think you are :(

[Kelly]

Into the camera but we still see him ?

As I described it in IM's...a silver streak so fast, that coming towards the screen you can make out the silhouette of a man, but not necessarily get a full on view mainly because of the speed.

[Spider-Fan]

In a teaser, I think you have to show him in more of a capacity than a silver streak. You need to give the public an idea of what he will look like. They should be able to have some kind of Surfer scene done for a teaser before the teaser is due out.

[Kelly]

In a teaser, I think you have to show him in more of a capacity than a silver streak. You need to give the public an idea of what he will look like. They should be able to have some kind of Surfer scene done for a teaser before the teaser is due out.

That would be nice...

[Hunter Rider]

As I described it in IM's...a silver streak so fast, that coming towards the screen you can make out the silhouette of a man, but not necessarily get a full on view mainly because of the speed.

Ok lets see if i got this right lol,the GIF you posted showed a full frontal shot of SS then you said just streak and it made me think of a flash of light across the screen but i get it now,you're saying a shiloutte so we will at least see a form ?

[Kelly]

Ok lets see if i got this right lol,the GIF you posted showed a full frontal shot of SS then you said just streak and it made me think of a flash of light across the screen but i get it now,you're saying a shiloutte so we will at least see a form ?

I used that as simply a place to start, if a guy on a website could do that then we could "at least" get something in a teaser...even if its just a silhouette of the surfer, something to get people thinking.

The reason I'm not worried about people here is the fact that people here are already teased or they wouldn't be here. The only people here that would be mad at not getting a "full on view" are those that think they are "for some reason" entitled to it. :)

[Hunter Rider]

I used that as simply a place to start, if a guy on a website could do that then we could "at least" get something in a teaser...even if its just a silhouette of the surfer, something to get people thinking.

The reason I'm not worried about people here is the fact that people here are already teased or they wouldn't be here. The only people here that would be mad at not getting a "full on view" are those that think they are "for some reason" entitled to it. :)

I agree with the idea of getting the SS out there to the massses who don't know who he is but imagine if they could get a proper shot of him ?:eek: that would really build some momentum and excitement with the GA IMO
We are in July now,I think they will have been working on his effects for some time so i think they may have a good shot ready for the teaser ,i just hope they remember to put the 4 in it as well

[DOG LIPS]

What if they give him hair? Like a silver mullet. That would be AWESOME.

[Darthphere]

I hope you guys are reading Annihilation:SIlver Surfer.

[The Apatow Crew]

So what month and movie should be expect a teaser?

[Darthphere]

Superbowl?

[Hunter Rider]

What if they give him hair? Like a silver mullet. That would be AWESOME.

Silence Pooch,you don't know who could be watching:(

[Hunter Rider]

I hope you guys are reading Annihilation:SIlver Surfer.

2 questions

is it availble in TPb ? and got any pics of the art ?

[Darthphere]

2 questions

is it availble in TPb ? and got any pics of the art ?


Not yet and give me a sec.

[Hunter Rider]

So what month and movie should be expect a teaser?
Kel's idea of November with the new Bond makes good sense as it is the biggest movie this winter and is a Fox owned franchise

[Kelly]

I agree with the idea of getting the SS out there to the massses who don't know who he is but imagine if they could get a proper shot of him ?:eek: that would really build some momentum and excitement with the GA IMO
We are in July now,I think they will have been working on his effects for some time so i think they may have a good shot ready for the teaser ,i just hope they remember to put the 4 in it as well

They should have some good shots of the 4 by late September, they should be able to put a 30 second something together to get it in a Mid-November movie like the Bond movie.

[The Apatow Crew]

Superbowl?I heard someone mention the new bond flick. when does that come out?

[Darthphere]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/annihilation/Reports/ANNSIL003021_col.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/annihilation/Reports/ANNSIL004015_col.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/annihilation/Reports/ANNSIL004019_col.jpg

[Darthphere]

I heard someone mention the new bond flick. when does that come out?


November.

[The Apatow Crew]

Silence Pooch,you don't know who could be watching:(Sends memo of that to the execs at Fox.:)

This Summer the Surfer has a Acky Breaky Heart.:eek:

[Hunter Rider]

They should have some good shots of the 4 by late September, they should be able to put a 30 second something together to get it in a Mid-November movie like the Bond movie.

Do you think they will hold off Doom's new look ?

Darth that art is Badassical:eek: :up: who is that SS is fighting and whats the story like ?

[Darthphere]

Do you think they will hold off Doom's new look ?

Darth that art is Badassical:eek: :up: who is that SS is fighting and whats the story like ?


Its a big cosmic crossover. Its called Annihilation and SS had a 4 issue mini-series that leads up to the main series. Theyre fighting Annihuls from the Negative Zone and hes destroyed alot of **** with a weapon called the Annihilation Wave, its badass.

Hes fighting a new villain called Ravenous there.

[Hunter Rider]

Its a big cosmic crossover. Its called Annihilation and SS had a 4 issue mini-series that leads up to the main series. Theyre fighting Annihuls from the Negative Zone and hes destroyed alot of **** with a weapon called the Annihilation Wave, its badass.

Hes fighting a new villain called Ravenous there.

I want it:mad: how long do you estimate the wait for the TPB will be ?

Ravenous looks like he would work visually in a movie

[Darthphere]

I want it:mad: how long do you estimate the wait for the TPB will be ?

Ravenous looks like he would work visually in a movie


The next couple of months and the actual event starts next month if you wanna check it out.

[Hunter Rider]

The next couple of months and the actual event starts next month if you wanna check it out.

Thanks for the info:up:

Seeing all the hype in the Spidey boards over Venom i really hope SS can give F4/2 the same kind of excitement boost:up:

[MOIDANGEREUX]

Fantastic Four and the Silver Surfer

http://www.enprimeur.ca/index.asp?pageID=18&m_id=13345

The Fantastic Four meet their greatest challenge yet as the enigmatic, intergalactic herald, The Silver Surfer, comes to Earth to prepare it for destruction. As the Silver Surfer races around the globe wreaking havoc, Reed (Ioan Gruffudd), Sue (Jessica Alba), Johnny (Chris Evans) and Ben (Michael Chiklis) must unravel the mystery of The Silver Surfer and confront the surprising return of their mortal enemy, Dr. Doom (Julian McMahon), before all hope is lost.

[Retroman]

From MTV:
"Nicolas Cage is a Coppola — he was into money and Italian food when he was 10!" grinned "The Daily Show" star Rob Corddry, who was skeptical of the star's geek cred. "He was into being Hollywood royalty when he was 10 ... it's kinda like when the model says that she was really awkward."

Excited to hear that so many stars were turning into superheroes, Corddry expressed his own desire to be in the soon-to-shoot "Fantastic Four" sequel. "I would love to play the Silver Surfer, Norrin Radd — I mean, look at me!" the "Blackballed" star grinned mischievously, pointing to his bald head. "It would be slapstick, with lots of pratfalls and spit-takes. 'Oh, Galactus!' It would be very physical comedy. I think the fans love that, when it's not true to the original comic at all."

"This thing was a comic-book convention," he grinned, peering out from behind the table where he was signing autographs. "Now they're going to rename it Let's Make Money and Get Laid Con.
Source: http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1537026/07242006/story.jhtml


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I think he's funny but SS he's not.:D

[Kelly]

From MTV:

Source: http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1537026/07242006/story.jhtml


http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7876/robcorddry360x240sa4.jpg

I think he's funny but SS he's not.:D

Dear god.....


thats all I can think to say....

[Mr. Credible]

the silver surfer was in a dream i had last night for some weird reason...

he looked cool as hell, though. more or less just like the comics, but his 'skin' or whatever looked like an oil puddle... know what i mean? it was silver, but it had that glaze on it swirling around. gave it a very 'cosmic' look.


just thought i'd share that.

[kedrell]

I've been aware of the FF and the SS for a long time but I never was able to figure out just how old SS is. I know Galactus is older than the universe but what about the Surfer? How long ago(fictionally) did he become the herald? Has that ever been answered? Thanks.

[Paul777]

In the SS Annihilation mini-series, it's revealed Galactus's first proper herald was The Fallen One, followed by SS. The Fallen One (who's now Thanos' herald) gets into a pickle with this Galactus-level of badassery bad guys called Teneberous and Aegis who've been released.. well, don't wanna spoil it. But anyway, The Fallen One tells them he hasn't been Galactus' herald for centuries, he got kicked out - hence his name. You can see more of this Galactus/Thanos/Fallen one story if you read Thanos's own series.

I haven't really read a whole lot of other SS stuff but I'd guess he's been SS for a couple of hundred years maybe?

[Paul777]

If they're loosely following the classic SS storyline, any idea if Alicia Masters is gonna pop up?

[Darthphere]

I really hope you all will be reading Annihilation #1 starting tomorrow with our old pal Silver Surfer. We need to support him in the movie and in the comics.

[Spider-Fan]

If they're loosely following the classic SS storyline, any idea if Alicia Masters is gonna pop up?

Alicia got shortchanged in FF, so she'd better get more development. Two scenes just doesn't cut it.

[gvcool2]

not that I have any problem with it, nor am i a racist but why was she black? it's not like she had a big part or the actress gave such a convincing performance that it HAD to be her.

[Malus]

I've been aware of the FF and the SS for a long time but I never was able to figure out just how old SS is. I know Galactus is older than the universe but what about the Surfer? How long ago(fictionally) did he become the herald? Has that ever been answered? Thanks.

Unless lifespans on his homeworld are extraordinary, Norrin Radd was not Galactus' herald for very long at all. After all, the woman he left behind, Shalla-Bal, has been shown at different times over the years to be alive.

[rguy]

Galactus by the end of the movie should somehow turn Sue evil to involve the malice mistress of hate storyline in the movie or next movie!

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Fantastic%20Four/sue/sue7jrkc8.gif

[Malus]

Galactus by the end of the movie should somehow turn Sue evil to involve the malice mistress of hate storyline in the movie or next movie!

Um...I wouldn't look for that to happen.

[kedrell]

Unless lifespans on his homeworld are extraordinary, Norrin Radd was not Galactus' herald for very long at all. After all, the woman he left behind, Shalla-Bal, has been shown at different times over the years to be alive.

Yes but I read in the comics that the SS led Galactus to "countless worlds" during his tenure as herald and considering that Galactus doesn't have to eat a planet every day, this could have been some time SS spent in that job before he got to earth. Definitely long enough for his rep to spread from one side of the universe to the other.

[gerbstat]

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[kedrell]

There are a couple of flaws in that reasoning:

The FF's rep has "spread from one side of the universe to the other" and they haven't been around very long (in the cosmic sense).
We don't really know for sure that Galactus doesn't have to consume a planet every day. For example, the events depicted in his consumption of the Skrull Throneworld might have occurred over one day, and we have no knowledge as to whether or not Galactus got the munchies the next day, or even later that evening. Hell, that might have been just a snack for him..

True enough that we don't know, but at the same time I'd be very suprised if he had to eat as often as a human being does. I dunno, I guess I always figured he'd probably eat once a year or 10 years or 100 years. It's just the impression I got from such a grandeoise cosmic character.

[gerbstat]

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[Malus]

Yes but I read in the comics that the SS led Galactus to "countless worlds" during his tenure as herald and considering that Galactus doesn't have to eat a planet every day, this could have been some time SS spent in that job before he got to earth. Definitely long enough for his rep to spread from one side of the universe to the other.

There seems to be some contradiction going on here, doesn't there? I've always assumed the same thing, that he had served Galactus for millenia.
But there's no retconning the existence of Shalla Ball.

In fact, for Shalla Bal to still be alive, the Surfer could not have been zipping around the galaxy at anything near the speed of light, or she'd have been dust long ago.

[kedrell]

My only reason for asking is to try and come up with a better explaination for the cosmic storm from the first movie. Maybe those(there could be more than one) were sent out millions or billions of years ago by Galactus or SS much in the same way lumberjacks also have to plant several new trees for every one they chop down. They're like cosmic lumberjacks and they need to make sure that there will always be living planets to consume. That could be a plausible explaination for the existence of the storms.

[Malus]

Or perhaps the storms act as locators of worlds that would suit Galactus. The Surfer is then sent to verify and then signal the Big Guy...

My only reason for asking is to try and come up with a better explaination for the cosmic storm from the first movie. Maybe those(there could be more than one) were sent out millions or billions of years ago by Galactus or SS much in the same way lumberjacks also have to plant several new trees for every one they chop down. They're like cosmic lumberjacks and they need to make sure that there will always be living planets to consume. That could be a plausible explaination for the existence of the storms.

[gerbstat]

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[kedrell]

Well I was more alluding to the movie continuity rather than than the comics. I doubt very much we'll see any mention of the Celestials in the movies.

[gerbstat]

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[Antonello Blueberry]

So Weta is doing the CGI Silver Surfer for the movie and Doug Jones doing the motion capture for it? Still wondering if he will be on the set too, with a green suit on.

[gvcool2]

^ Let's hope theres more on set for jessica alba to work with then in her head

[Hellmistress]

So Weta is doing the CGI Silver Surfer for the movie and Doug Jones doing the motion capture for it? Still wondering if he will be on the set too, with a green suit on.

Doug is doing neither green-screen leotard nor motion capture in ANY of his upcoming films.

HM

[Antonello Blueberry]

Doug is doing neither green-screen leotard nor motion capture in ANY of his upcoming films.
That's what Doug Jones said. But Tim Story just wrote:
Here's the low down. Doug has been working on a number of things regarding the Surfer. In order for the presence of the CGI SS to appear and move real, we need someone to perfect movement and provide a base, to which WETA can do their thing. That the jest of it. I don't know what that confirms for you guys but there you go.

[Hellmistress]

That's what Doug Jones said. But Tim Story just wrote:

And I can tell you that Doug knows EXACTLY what he is doing for his next projects, and he has been working on a couple for some time now - and that does NOT include green-screen leotard and motion capture. The work is prosthetic in nature. I would suggest that Mr. Story's words can be taken in a number of ways, but that does NOT mean green-screen, motion capture or reference work.

HM

[Hunter Rider]

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3555/ff2rx1.jpg

[Asteroid-Man]

noooooooooooo please god noooooooooooooooo
and to vin deisle... noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo please god noooooooooooooooooo

i wanna see some one ive never noticed before. just like how the hulk had eric bana (never heard of him before that), spiderman had tobey maguire (neverh eard of him at that point), x-men had hugh jackman (never heard of him at that point) ect.

come on we need a no name actor that can act.you never heard of Tobey or Banna before those movies?! BWAHAHAHAHA!

[Agent 194]

Double post I know, but after further investigation I feared I may have placed it in the wrong thread originally.

I believe that I trust Story and his assertion that the larger Thing brow is not as cinematically practical as we would like for it to be (I know they say it's going to be larger) still, - much like the fact that I would have loved to have seen footage of Mel Blanc in the day, doing Bugs, Foghorn, Daffy,...etc., I would love to at least see this larger brow that they say won't work. I think we at least deserve to see the proof for ourselves.

As for Mel Blanc (and I know this is completely off subject) but despite all the cool extras that have come out on the Looney Tunes collections, - am I the only one who thinks it was extrememely poor foresight, on someones part, to not have taped this man doing his thing back then?!

[Advanced Dark]

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/588/588story_banner6182459.jpg

Cool banner from Marvel.com

I like how you can see the starfield on his body surface.

[LadyVader]

Had to do a little digging to find this thread.
I'm a little surprised that Marvel would choose to introduce the movie going audience to one of it's biggest and most influential characters... through a Fantastic Four movie. I liked it but is was just so... uhm... shallow? :)

At this point in time I'm not very optimisstic. I think SS deserves a full out epic movie, much like Green Lantern of the DCU deserves a space odissey. Hopefully we'll get a spin-off if the movie is really succesful, but already 2007 is lookin mighty stacked. :(

[Drakon]

As for Mel Blanc (and I know this is completely off subject) but despite all the cool extras that have come out on the Looney Tunes collections, - am I the only one who thinks it was extrememely poor foresight, on someones part, to not have taped this man doing his thing back then?!

Not really, I think that would have been awesome. But I would be sure that they'd have SOMETHING. I mean, hell, he died in 89, I'm sure at least the family has something.

Had to do a little digging to find this thread.
I'm a little surprised that Marvel would choose to introduce the movie going audience to one of it's biggest and most influential characters... through a Fantastic Four movie. I liked it but is was just so... uhm... shallow? :)

At this point in time I'm not very optimisstic. I think SS deserves a full out epic movie, much like Green Lantern of the DCU deserves a space odissey. Hopefully we'll get a spin-off if the movie is really succesful, but already 2007 is lookin mighty stacked. :(

You had to dig? There's a sticky at the top of the forum with links to all the character threads.

While I do agree with you that Surfer DOES need his own flick, I think introducing him in this one is the right way to go. He's not entirely as well known in the non-comic world as say, Green Lantern, so this will get him a little exposure, and hopefully convince Fox that he should get his own.

As for Green Lantern, he totally deserves his own odysee/epic space story.

[gvcool2]

^ I think surfer deserves his own movie much more than Ghost Rider, if story can't characterise 5 competently how is he going to manage with another extremely compelx character as the surfer and possibly galactus...thats not even including all the new supporting characters such as that army general

[gvcool2]

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/588/588story_banner6182459.jpg

Cool banner from Marvel.com

I like how you can see the starfield on his body surface.

that would be a beautiful visual to see in the movie

[celldog]

http://www.steverude.com/artwork/images/142-1175.jpg

[gvcool2]

i really hope that doesn't happen in the movie

[celldog]

i really hope that doesn't happen in the movie


why??:doom:

[gvcool2]

I just don't want dr doom's plans to be related to the surfer, I want him to have his own maniacal scheme and the F4 attempt to foil it, fail, and then eventually recruit the help of the surfer

[Advanced Dark]

^ I think surfer deserves his own movie much more than Ghost Rider, if story can't characterise 5 competently how is he going to manage with another extremely compelx character as the surfer and possibly galactus...thats not even including all the new supporting characters such as that army general

I'm sure part 2 will be more tied into part 3 than 2 was to 1. Should be a cliffhanger ending. I think they should have filmed 2 & 3 together.

[LadyVader]

you never heard of Tobey or Banna before those movies?! BWAHAHAHAHA!

I have loved Tobey Maguire since Pleasantville, but in all honesty, I hadn't heard of Eric Bana before Hulk.

[gvcool2]

^thats a pity because he's greatest performance yet has been in chopper

[gvcool2]

I'm sure part 2 will be more tied into part 3 than 2 was to 1. Should be a cliffhanger ending. I think they should have filmed 2 & 3 together.

I'm hoping surfer is a one off in this movie, and he does his thing and becomes big enough to get his own movie, I don't want him to be known as another charatcer in the fantastic 4

[celldog]

I just don't want dr doom's plans to be related to the surfer, I want him to have his own maniacal scheme and the F4 attempt to foil it, fail, and then eventually recruit the help of the surfer

Well you only have 2 hours.

And that trilogy is a classic!! Do it.

[gvcool2]

X3 had an hour and a half and they managed to fit the equivalent of WWII into the movie

[Brian Braddock]

^thats a pity because he's greatest performance yet has been in chopper

He was quite brilliant in Chopper.

His performance is made all the more impressive when you watch the interview with the real Chopper on the DVD and you see that he is EXACTLY how Bana portrayed him; the mannerisms, voice, laugh - everything.

Bana was the best thing about Troy too.

[gvcool2]

^ ye i watched that interview on the dvd, it was quite remarkable really, what was really scary was that you actually saw that the guy was real and he did all the stuff you see in the movie.

[Brian Braddock]

^ ye i watched that interview on the dvd, it was quite remarkable really, what was really scary was that you actually saw that the guy was real and he did all the stuff you see in the movie.


Yeah - bit of a mad b***ard, isn't/wasn't he?

Some really mad stuff went down in that film and to think that it all actually happened.

Yikes! :wow:

[TripleF]

bumping

[gambitfire]

i dunno if anyone has seen this before, it's from a website i like to visit called 3dtotal, here you go enjoy.

http://www.threedy.com/site/forum/showthread.php?t=39387

[M.O.Steel]

Had to do a little digging to find this thread.
I'm a little surprised that Marvel would choose to introduce the movie going audience to one of it's biggest and most influential characters... through a Fantastic Four movie. I liked it but is was just so... uhm... shallow? :)

At this point in time I'm not very optimisstic. I think SS deserves a full out epic movie, much like Green Lantern of the DCU deserves a space odissey. Hopefully we'll get a spin-off if the movie is really succesful, but already 2007 is lookin mighty stacked. :(

I agree with what you're saying, and i was actually surprised that they are even going down this route. Kinda far-fetched based on the reality the first one was set in. But who knows. I think if the character is well-made, i definitely see them doing a spin-off of it. I definitely feel that he deserved his own movie as well.

[ISHMAEL]

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3555/ff2rx1.jpg
this should be the poster of FF2 RS

[Hunter Rider]

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9303/annihilationss04tf8.jpg

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7749/annihilationzss4bigrs2.jpg

[Chaos Bringer]

^thats a pity because he's greatest performance yet has been in chopper

yes. that film OOZES quality.

[Electrix]

Doug Jones has a Video Interview with IESB.net

Doug Jones, who must be one of the nicest actors that I have ever met, sat down with the IESB for an exclusive video interview in which he discusses all of his upcoming projects including Pan’s Labyrinth, Hellboy: The Golden Army and Fantastic Four: Rise of The Silver Surfer.

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The first time I met Doug was close to three years ago during a publicity round for the release of Hellboy. Fast forward to the present and Mr. Jones finds himself in one of the best movies of the year, Pan’s Labyrinth.

Doug reunites with director Guillermo del Toro in this fantastic journey into post civil war northern Spain circa 1944. He not only takes on the role of Pan but also of the terrifying Pale Man.

Doug will next be seen in Fox’s Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer that will release next summer and wrapped his part yesterday at 3am after an intense night shoot. He starts shooting Hellboy 2 around May of next year. But the question of the day is, what can we expect from Surfer and Abe Sapien?

In regards to the Silver Surfer, the characters’ introduction will be very similar to the first time he was introduced in the comic books. His origin will not play a major part, perhaps that is to be saved for the stand alone film, but, of course, he still is the herald of Galactus and he is in search of planets for Galactus to drain all life from. He has also recorded dialogue but has yet to receive confirmation that his voice will actually end up on the final product.

So far as the character of Abe Sapien, for all intents and purposes, although he is still in “negotiations”, he will be voicing the beloved amphibian this time around. Also, he will catch the eye of someone special as a love interest enters his life, although the creature may not be human. You can watch our Mike Mignola interview here for more info on the subject.

Click on a format below to watch our exclusive video interview with Doug Jones.

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_d4j_ezine&task=read&page=1&category=featured&article=1103&Itemid=27

[SatEL]

I am sure most comic book fans like myself where thinking one thing during the teaser of FF2 , how the hell is Torch able to keep up with the surfer who as we all know travells faster than light in the comics. So i came to the conclusion that perhaps the Surfer has been depowered in this film if so how do you guys feel about that.



And i am not going to lie i thought the teaser was awsome just amazing cant wait for the film.

[Webber]

Might have been teasing with him, pushing him to his limit then turning back on him and showing him who's the real boss.

[SatEL]

Is it me or are others noticing that the only thing that people are talking about in the teaser or the film in general is the Silver Surfer, it seems his the focus of this film for a lot of people.

[SatEL]

Might have been teasing with him, pushing him to his limit then turning back on him and showing him who's the real boss.

I hate to moan but thats not Surfers character he doesnt do things like that even when he was a herald. And it seems the only reason he turned back on him in the teaser is because Torch caught up to him.

[swifty]

yep! he was definitely teasing him, not worth using his full power. Kind of one being annoyed by a bug. SS could've easily vaporized HT with a blast of cosmic energy if he wanted to.

God!! I can't stop watching that teaser, I must of seen it like 30 or more times already. I have never seen any teaser or trailer that many times before....never. I hope the rest of the movie is as spectacular.

[GoldGoblin]

Does the SS phase through things in the comics as well,or is that a new movie power that he can do?

[Dark_Gambit]

Maybe he has to concentrate to go that fast, an he didn't feel like doing that ^^
Or maybe he wanted to see the sights on Earth.

[Dark_Gambit]

Well the movie is called Fantastic Four: Rise of The Silver Surfer..... so yea it kinda make sense most people focus on him.

[Guyverjay]

1)Surfer can phase through things in the comcis, he's been doing it for donkeys years

2)Surfer does not and I repeat does NOT go light speed when on a planet, the fastest he'll go is usually around mach ten. Thats not to say he couldn't but the destruction he'd leave in his wake if he went light speed is ridiculous

[swifty]

that makes sense.

[roach]

im pretty sure that if he goes lightspeed within the atmosphere he'll destroy the earth

[redlion2]

It's natural. We've all seen the F4 in the last film. We're sorta used to seeing them but this is the first time the Surfer has ever been seen on film before.

[GoldGoblin]

How come SS has to go flying around the terrain of Earth,isn't he just a scout who just needs to find any planet and then summon Galactus to come and eat it?

[SatEL]

1)Surfer can phase through things in the comcis, he's been doing it for donkeys years

2)Surfer does not and I repeat does NOT go light speed when on a planet, the fastest he'll go is usually around mach ten. Thats not to say he couldn't but the destruction he'd leave in his wake if he went light speed is ridiculous

Nope he has searched the earth in mere seconds in the comics with no such effects.

[SatEL]

God!! I can't stop watching that teaser, I must of seen it like 30 or more times already. I have never seen any teaser or trailer that many times before....never. I hope the rest of the movie is as spectacular.

Yeah same here the only trailer i have watched that much was SR and well that sucked hard.

[Guyverjay]

Nope he has searched the earth in mere seconds in the comics with no such effects.

1) That was off panel so you don't actually see him speed anywhere

2) He can SEE a particle of space dust light years away, looking all over the earth wouldn't require him to use his speed

[SatEL]

1) That was off panel so you don't actually see him speed anywhere

2) He can SEE a particle of space dust light years away, looking all over the earth wouldn't require him to use his speed

Ok fair enough but thats still shows he has the ability, besides the Human Torch top speed is 344 m/s, surer can certainly fly above that.

Oh and what game is your Sig from?

[redlion2]

My reasoning goes like this......he's obviously faster than what we see in the chase scenes because in the chase you're easily able to make out his full form. In the opening shots of the teaser as he comes to Earth, he appears as a streak of light or comet because he's moving much faster.

[BETA3]

well at least the surfer is only hugging the spotlight, imagine if he were to be hogging the spotlight then the ff would be in for it.:yay:



:thing:

[BETA3]

How come SS has to go flying around the terrain of Earth,isn't he just a scout who just needs to find any planet and then summon Galactus to come and eat it?


I guess he does this to make sure the planet big G eats is not tainted and may give him gas. Plus, wasn't the surfer placing do-hickeys around the globe for G to plug into and chow down?



:thing:

[Hunter Rider]

I thought rather than toying with Torch he was seeing what he had and how much a threat he was,my take is that he went as fast as he needed to see how fast Torch could go and how well he could fly and once he had gained the info he simply took him out in a cold calculated fashion

[TheShadowCat]

He's the new kid on the block, of course we're talking about him.

>^^<

[Hunter Rider]

He's one of the most visually striking and legendary characters in the Marvel pantheon and the big new addition to this film so he is bound to be getting the bulk of the hype plus I'm sure he will be the centre of the marketing campaign i just hope in the movie itself that the FF get plenty of character time

[Myrddin_Emrys]

Im sorry to say this, but this IS my opinion, but I will be going to see this film for one thing only, and that is the Silver Surfer.
The FF just plain suck.

[Memphis Slim]

He's one of the most visually striking and legendary characters in the Marvel pantheon and the big new addition to this film so he is bound to be getting the bulk of the hype plus I'm sure he will be the centre of the marketing campaign i just hope in the movie itself that the FF get plenty of character time

True Dat.

[Memphis Slim]

I hope they improve on Reed's character and his powers this time, too.

[Celestio]

I agree with hunter. I think he will be great in the marketing campaign and draw people to see the film. However, I don't want him to take away from the FF in the actual film.

[SatEL]

Im sorry to say this, but this IS my opinion, but I will be going to see this film for one thing only, and that is the Silver Surfer.
The FF just plain suck.

Lol i am afraid your not the only one:woot:

[SatEL]

Do you guys think they are going to go into detail about the Power Cosmic and what powers do you think they will show, The power cosmic is bascilly a plot devise power so the possibilitys are endless.

[Mysterio]

Is it me or are others noticing that the only thing that people are talking about in the teaser or the film in general is the Silver Surfer, it seems his the focus of this film for a lot of people.he's a new character. what do you expect?

[Kato]

Im sorry to say this, but this IS my opinion, but I will be going to see this film for one thing only, and that is the Silver Surfer.
The FF just plain suck.

I can't think of anyone better than Michael chiklis for the role of The Thing. IMO, he was cast perfectly...C'mon guys, it's Vic Mackey :oldrazz: ...and atleast he's a true Ben Grimm fan.

Also, Chris Evans did a good job as HT. These two shouldn't be replaced...The rest, however :o

[Iron Maiden]

I still can't believe the Marvel Zombies cannabilized him and then became cosmically powered themselves and defeated Galactus. :woot:

[GoblinScrier]

I think that Doom will also hug or hog the spotlight (which ever you want to use) because he will be a major threat once a certain event happens in the movie....

[Willie Lumpkin]

I didn't think there was any ambiguity at all.

I mean he was flying upside down and backwards and Johnny still couldn't catch him. We then see him accelerate a little bit to put some distance between him and Johnny before turning finally dealing with him (easily and casually).

How could it be any clearer?

[X-Rated]

It's no difference than how Venom is hogging all the attention in Spiderman3, when he's not even the main villain.

[Malus]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddin_Emrys
Im sorry to say this, but this IS my opinion, but I will be going to see this film for one thing only, and that is the Silver Surfer.
The FF just plain suck.


Lol i am afraid your not the only one:woot:

:whatever: These boards are just gonna get more and more fun, aren't they?

Let me break it down for you this way: Without the FF, there would have been no Silver Surfer. Also there would have been NO X-Men, NO Spider-man, NO Wolverine, NO Marvel Universe.

In my opinion, almost all comics these days (FF included) suck big time.

But the quintessential FF (the real FF, by Stan Lee & Jack Kirby) kicks the ass of just about anything else ever done in superhero comics, particularly the crap being published today.

And SatEL: How about spell-checking at least the title of a thread before you post it? "Hugging the spotlight." :whatever:
Sad.

[CaptainStacy]

The FF just plain suck.

And yet here you are, on a forum dedicated to them.

Go figure.

[SeverianB]

I hope they improve on Reed's character and his powers this time, too.

From just watching this teaser, I think they have. Reed tells Johnny what to do, and Johnny obeys him. Ok, he has a wise-ass comment before he does, but he seems to know Reed is the boss-man.

Also Reed is gonna be getting busy with Sue Storm, who is a babe. I have a theory that under that conservative exterior, she is a superfreak. Therefore, Reed will be in a much better mood and more self-confident in this film.

So ends my thesis titled: "Wanton Sue and The Swerve of Reed" :ninja:

[Malus]

I didn't think there was any ambiguity at all.

I mean he was flying upside down and backwards and Johnny still couldn't catch him. We then see him accelerate a little bit to put some distance between him and Johnny before turning finally dealing with him (easily and casually).

How could it be any clearer?

Yes.
That's exactly what was happening.

[X-Rated]

Well of coarse, he can make any part of his anatomy larger than what it really is. :cwink:

[SatEL]

I didn't think there was any ambiguity at all.

I mean he was flying upside down and backwards and Johnny still couldn't catch him. We then see him accelerate a little bit to put some distance between him and Johnny before turning finally dealing with him (easily and casually).

How could it be any clearer?

No the reason he turned and faced johnny was because johnny caught up to him.

[X-Rated]

I didn't think there was any ambiguity at all.

I mean he was flying upside down and backwards and Johnny still couldn't catch him. We then see him accelerate a little bit to put some distance between him and Johnny before turning finally dealing with him (easily and casually).

How could it be any clearer?

Well said, I concur.

[SatEL]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddin_Emrys
Im sorry to say this, but this IS my opinion, but I will be going to see this film for one thing only, and that is the Silver Surfer.
The FF just plain suck.




:whatever: These boards are just gonna get more and more fun, aren't they?

Let me break it down for you this way: Without the FF, there would have been no Silver Surfer. Also there would have been NO X-Men, NO Spider-man, NO Wolverine, NO Marvel Universe.

In my opinion, almost all comics these days (FF included) suck big time.

But the quintessential FF (the real FF, by Stan Lee & Jack Kirby) kicks the ass of just about anything else ever done in superhero comics, particularly the crap being published today.

And SatEL: How about spell-checking at least the title of a thread before you post it? "Hugging the spotlight." :whatever:
Sad.


Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh call me out on a typo big man, And before you go into defender mode i think you should STFU and read again i in no way was bashing FF4. Although i thought the first film sucked as do many on here i in no way think that about the FF4 comics, and if you want to play the history game then lets begin Without Namor there would be no FF4 so whats your point fool?

[Willie Lumpkin]

No the reason he turned and faced johnny was because johnny caught up to him.

It's not that hard to catch up to someone who stops, turns around, and waits for you.http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/sally/lol.gif

[SatEL]

It's not that hard to catch up to someone who stops, turns around, and waits for you.http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/sally/lol.gif

Please watch the teaser again Johnny went faster and was behind him that's when he stoped and did his little choke.

[Fantastic-Boy]

Well the movie is called Fantastic Four: Rise of The Silver Surfer..... so yea it kinda make sense most people focus on him.

Agree!:cwink:

[Fantastic-Boy]

Silver Surfer don't wanna kill anyone...He is a good guy,and just was playing with Johnny!

[SatEL]

Silver Surfer don't wanna kill anyone...He is a good guy,and just was playing with Johnny!

Not when he was a herald.

[The Batman]

sorry...but FF has always been the franchise where the other characters outshine the main ones. With the first one, much of the hype was seeing doctor doom on the big screen. with this one, silver surfer and galactus.

[Spider-Fan]

sorry...but FF has always been the franchise where the other characters outshine the main ones. With the first one, much of the hype was seeing doctor doom on the big screen. with this one, silver surfer and galactus.

And if they do a movie about the Inhumans, it will be the Inhumans and Black Bolt. Good observation.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Will we ever be able to discuss these subjects without insulting eachother's intelligences?

Let's try again people, or this thread will have to be closed. Thanks.

[Malus]

Have you finished with your History lesson? Ok now back on topic and well if you cant do that all i can say is thank you for your contribution to my thread Malus and goodbye.

You mean if I can't stay on the whole "hugging" topic I have to leave?
Aw man, my feelings are hurt.
I am one hurt ignorant dork fool.... :csad: (limps away)

[GhostPoet]

I think he might be toned down a little...or else the FF would have no chance in the movie. :)

During the chase scene I think the Surfer was ignoring him at first...then when he saw the guy wouldn't give up...teased him and then showed him who's got the power.

[highguard]

Surfer is a herald, obviously from the teaser he was checking Johnny out to see what he could do. it must have been interesting to him to see how fast the torch could go and his fire and all.

If you look closely at how he threw him off it was like ok, I'm finished with you now insect.

[GhostPoet]

Surfer is a herald, obviously from the teaser he was checking Johnny out to see what he could do. it must have been interesting to him to see how fast the torch could go and his fire and all.

If you look closely at how he threw him off it was like ok, I'm finished with you now insect.

That's exactly it! It really did have that "insect" feel to how he viewed Johnny. Very cool. :)

[lordofthenerds]

I think you guys are all wrong, the only reason why the Surfer was going at a watchable speed in the teaser was so that Fox could show off how cool he'll be onscreeen. This was just a popcorn summer movie teaser, no logic involved.

Edit: 8,000th post! I think this calls for an amazing new avatar...

[Spider-Fan]

He has to go light speed to get through space...why would he have to travel at light speed if he wants to investigate the planet? He would have to slow down in order to survey it.

[Sarg92]

He was probably seeing how powerful Johnny was. To see if he could pose any threat.

[TheShadowCat]

You mean if I can't stay on the whole "hugging" topic I have to leave?
Aw man, my feelings are hurt.
I am one hurt ignorant dork fool.... :csad: (limps away)

Wow! You posted this right after a moderator said to behave or the thread will be closed. I guess we can kiss this thread goodbye because the two of you can't act like civilized human beings.

People are obsessed with SS because he's new, bright and shiney. Literally!:woot:

>>^^<

[Kii]

When I watched the trailer, I felt that SS was simply toying with HT. At the point that SS figured out that HT wouldn't give up, he turned and grabbed and tossed him away like a fly.

[explode7]

Does anyone think that if there was another villain people would be so excited for FF2?

[The Batman]

And if they do a movie about the Inhumans, it will be the Inhumans and Black Bolt. Good observation.


exactly. The gift and curse of the FF is that so many memorable characters first appeared in the book

[CaptainStacy]

exactly. The gift and curse of the FF is that so many memorable characters first appeared in the book


Agreed. Sub-Mariner, Doom, Inhumans, Surfer/Galactus, Black Panther....all of them spun off into their own books.

And/or spread further out into the Marvel Universe.

[The Batman]

Agreed. Sub-Mariner, Doom, Inhumans, Surfer/Galactus, Black Panther....all of them spun off into their own books.

And/or spread further out into the Marvel Universe.


yup, and because of that, most of the hype will always be put on the new character to pop up rather then reed, sue, johnny, and ben

[gerbstat]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh... Without Namor there would be no FF4 ...

All arguing aside, I didn't understand this reference. Do you mean without Namor there would be no Fantastic Four, or; without Namor there would be n o Fantastic Four #4 or what? Seriously.

[TheShadowCat]

Actually, 'hugging' is a good term since Doug himself is a master of hugs.:D

>^^<

[SatEL]

Wow! You posted this right after a moderator said to behave or the thread will be closed. I guess we can kiss this thread goodbye because the two of you can't act like civilized human beings.

People are obsessed with SS because he's new, bright and shiney. Literally!:woot:

>>^^<

Your right i 100% agree but you know with some people the only way for them to ever move up the social [SIZE=2]hierarchy in life is to play the big man on the internet. While their peers are out meeting girls and enjoying life they are sat here with their dictionary lecturing others on what to do with their own thread.

[SatEL]

All arguing aside, I didn't understand this reference. Do you mean without Namor there would be no Fantastic Four, or; without Namor there would be n o Fantastic Four #4 or what? Seriously.

Pmsl i just noticed that mistake, no wonder that Douche bags been playing the all mighty card. Thanks for sensibly pointing that out.

[co2]

You guys are kooky.
It was obvisous to me that SS was surveying the planet...looking it over, the entire time. Johnny on his tail was a minor nuisance. He wasn't running from him at all. He finally got tired of it and turned to deal with him like you would brush aside a fly that was bothering you.

[TheShadowCat]

Will we ever be able to discuss these subjects without insulting eachother's intelligences?

Let's try again people, or this thread will have to be closed. Thanks.

SatEL, I would listen to Lightning Strikez if I were you. Please refrain from the name calling. It only makes you look petty and foolish.

>^^<

[RagingTempest]

well at least the surfer is only hugging the spotlight, imagine if he were to be hogging the spotlight then the ff would be in for it.:yay:



:thing:

LMAO!! I was just about to say something like that!!!:woot:

[gambitfire]

SatEL, I would listen to Lightning Strikez if I were you. Please refrain from the name calling. It only makes you look petty and foolish.

>^^<

He has no excuse to do so.

But in his defense Malus started it!! :p

Seriously though he kinda did.

SatEL's opinion is his opinion, he wasn't bashing F4. :)



Edit- ANYWAYS!!

BACK ON TOPIC!!!


Yea, i know the movies is also called Rise of the Sivler Surfer, but its first title is Fantastic 4 not 5. :p

So i'm a little worried too much focus might be lost on SS and the 4 will be the equivelent of one character.

:(

[dawhistleblower]

I hate to moan but thats not Surfers character he doesnt do things like that even when he was a herald. And it seems the only reason he turned back on him in the teaser is because Torch caught up to him.

OMG they gave a one dimensional character another dimension so they could have someone likeable enough to make sequels off of?!?!?!?! Why would they do that?

[The Apatow Crew]

So i'm a little worried too much focus might be lost on SS and the 4 will be the equivelent of one character.

:(Thats what i said before. But people said to get the fans interested the focus for now has gotta be on the surfer.

[TheShadowCat]

Thats what i said before. But people said to get the fans interested the focus for now has gotta be on the surfer.

Remember how it was before SS was revealed? Everyone was obsessed about Jess's wig or Mike's Thing suit or Ioan's gray (or lack there of) hair or Chris's lack of blond hair. Now they have a new, bright and shiney thing to look at and they're going to talk about it for a while. Give it time, it'll die down after a while.

>^^<

[The Apatow Crew]

Remember how it was before SS was revealed? Everyone was obsessed about Jess's wig or Mike's Thing suit or Ioan's gray (or lack there of) hair or Chris's lack of blond hair. Now they have a new, bright and shiney thing to look at and they're going to talk about it for a while. Give it time, it'll die down after a while.

>^^<When you mean talking about something you mean complain about something. Cause they complained about the 4 things you mentioned about each cast member.

[TheShadowCat]

When you mean talking about something you mean complain about something. Cause they complained about the 4 things you mentioned about each cast member.

True, but they were still obsessing over them. Just watch what happens when Doom or Galactus is revealed. People will go nuts then too and it'll be like 'Silver Surfer who?'

>^^<

[The Apatow Crew]

True, but they were still obsessing over them. Just watch what happens when Doom or Galactus is revealed. People will go nuts then too and it'll be like 'Silver Surfer who?'

>^^<Comic fans are the most hardest people to please. nothing ever suits them.

[TheShadowCat]

Comic fans are the most hardest people to please. nothing ever suits them.

This is probably why I don't tend to read very many comics. If I did then I'd have set ideas of what the characters are like and then I'd be all disappointed when the movie makers didn't get my vision right. I find it makes for much better movie enjoyment never even having have read any of these comics.

I love the Hellboy comics, but I started reading them after the movie came out. If I had read them first, I might have been very upset with the changes that were made (the major one being Abe who's my favorite character in both movie and comic).

The only exception has been The Hulk movie. I grew up watching the TV show and I really hate how they changed his creation. There really wasn't any reason for it other than the director must have been on something.

>^^<

[The Apatow Crew]

Yeah i've really never read any FF comics before the movie. But i have a whole bunch of them. all diff kinds. the regular ones,Ultimate,Marvel Knights.

[darkphoenixfire]

I agree with you here also. In MY opinion as well..the FF blow. The last movie blew. I'm only seeing this movie to see the Silver Surfer.

[Stripesy Strip]

This is probably why I don't tend to read very many comics. If I did then I'd have set ideas of what the characters are like and then I'd be all disappointed when the movie makers didn't get my vision right. I find it makes for much better movie enjoyment never even having have read any of these comics.

I love the Hellboy comics, but I started reading them after the movie came out. If I had read them first, I might have been very upset with the changes that were made (the major one being Abe who's my favorite character in both movie and comic).

The only exception has been The Hulk movie. I grew up watching the TV show and I really hate how they changed his creation. There really wasn't any reason for it other than the director must have been on something.

>^^<

It sucks to be you. Because there's a lot of great comics right now. Better than films, in fact. :hyper:

[Advanced Dark]

When I first got the invite for the screening of Pan's Labyrinth on Myspace I was really excited. I was dying to get in on it even though it was first announced as a midnight showing. When the tickets finally went on sale I missed out on the Midnight showing but I also noticed a 10:00 PM showing as well. Doug & John had mentioned I believe on their site that Doug would be doing a Q & A with the fans before the midnight show so I figured I'd just buy the tickets for the early show and catch Doug after. Keep in mind I've never been to the ArcLight before and assumed it was some small historic theatre in Hollywood. Anyways soon after buying the tickets I found out Doug was not only doing the intro before the Midnight showing but also a q & a after that show. I was gonna miss out. Then just a couple days before today I also find out he's doing a meet and greet (thanks to Zander) and to show up at 9:00 PM to get autographs, etc...So being an hour and a half away my wife, my friend & his wife, and I took off around 6:30 PM for Hollywood thinking we'd have enough time to eat and make the meet at greet. We of course hit a "sig alert" and didn't make it to Hollywood till about 8:00 PM. We had 7:30 reservations at the Gardens of Taxco but they still let us in. (Great food by the way). After getting done around 9:00 PM with dinner we zipped over to the ArcLight which was basically a very modern megaplex theatre. I walk in and the first thing I noticed is the big tree from Pan's, and then off to the Right there's Doug signing posters and having pics taken w/people. I think someone was filming the whole thing too. Then I saw the freaking line. The movie started in about 35 minutes and the line was wrapped around the theatre like a giant snake with gaps in the line so people could pass through to the movie they were going to see. I got in line realizing I'd never make it to the front before the movie started and I didn't drive this far to miss the movie that I dragged my friend and his wife to. So I got out of line (pissed off) and went to my assigned seat (front and center) probably the best seats in the house. Next thing I know some camera's come in and Doug is doing a intro to the 10PM showing too. ( I have a short cell phone video of this if you want to see it I'll youtube it) He bascially just introduced himself, the characters he played from his roles in Mimic (didn't know that), Hellboy, Benchwarmers, Buffy, etc...He did not mention Silver Surfer at all...it wasn't about that. Before he left he said he was then going to come back in at 12:05 AM and do a Q & A. He then left and the movie started. I' m not going to give a detailed review of this film other than to say it's a masterpiece. Del Toro hit this one out of the park. I doubt it'll be a blockbuster but it will get Del Toro and Jones the attention they deserve. A stunning film that is a pleasure to watch...even with subtitles. I looked over to my friend and his wife, then to my wife and knew nobody really wanted to stay. It was late and my eyes were closing from exhaustion as well. I had a 1 1/2 hour drive back home still too. I was holding two pics in my hand I was gonna have Doug sign, and I wanted to get a pic of Doug doing his Silver Surfer pose. You know the one where the SS is first seen phasing out of the building. Seeing the movie was great but I missed out on a great opportunity. So I'm walking out of the theatre door and here comes Doug and I think his rep Zander along with some camera people dragging their stuff into the theater I just left to do his Q & A. I stopped and said "Hey Doug". He turned and walked towards me and before I could say a thing he goes..."You're Advanced right?" He recognized me from my myspace photo's. Also he thanked me for my support on Superherohype (He does read these boards guys!) LOL I shook his hand and he didn't rush away even though he had a few hundred people waiting a few minutes longer. I told him how great the film was and right before I said goodbye I said "Doug I gotta ask you a favor. I want a photo of you doing a particular pose you know..." Next thing I know the guy is doing the pose in the hallway of the theatre with loads of people walking by probably wondering what the hell is going on. My wife tried to take the pic but her phone cam wasn't working and Doug was having a very hard time holding the pose. She finally go the camera going and he got in the pose again...and I got it!!! He then took the time to take a photo with me and my friend, and then sign both of my pics I printed off the net. He then shook our hands and said "We gotta do this again!" Then he took off. There really couldn't be a nicer more down to Earth person. I hope to meet him again but here he is: (Keep in mind these are cell phone pics.)


http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/6063/doug1uq5.th.jpg (http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doug1uq5.jpg) http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/6082/dougja4.th.jpg (http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dougja4.jpg) http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/429/doug2wk4.th.jpg (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doug2wk4.jpg)

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/7316/doug3br6.th.jpg (http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doug3br6.jpg) http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4527/doug4af3.th.jpg (http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doug4af3.jpg)

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3825/doug2hq3zj9.jpg

***If someone can brighten/enhance these photo's...please do so!***

I did miss the Q & A an didn't have time to ask any more questions but the Q & A was filmed and I'd imagine it'll show up online or on the Pan's DVD so we won't miss it.

BTW keep in mind how tall Doug is so for him to get that low...in that pose...was not easy to hold let alone keep a smile. LOL

-Advanced Dark

[Compi716]

In a VERY SS-like pose. Nice.

[Advanced Dark]

Yeah...I had to get that pose for you guys here on the SHH and myspace. :)

I forgot...Thank you very much Doug.

[zer00]

He looks like The Joker there

[Hellmistress]

Doug was accompanied by a film crew all through the evening, and there should be an on-line video coming up soon - as soon as I know when I'll post the info.

Glad you had a good time, and isn't PAN just the most amazing film? Love the pic, and Doug worked for months before beginning filming to build the strength in his thighs, calves and knees just so that he could do the Surfer's low, sweeping movements.

HM

[Advanced Dark]

Doug and Guillermo are lucky to have each other. They both are masters at what they do. Doug made one comment during the intro ( in a joking way) about maybe someday he'll get an award for his creature work...but then said he knows he never will. I've been thinking about that statement ever since. He said this in a totally innocent way smiling the entire time on the stage and he was just kidding around but it still kind of got to me. You can tell he's really proud of the film and loves his job. Hell...who wouldn't. Doug deserves something for his work and maybe Superherohype, Comingsoon, or some orginzation could start recgonizing this kind of work and give out awards.

[Catman]

That's very cool, Advanced Dark. Keep up the good work.

[Hellmistress]

Doug and Guillermo are lucky to have each other. They both are masters at what they do. Doug made one comment during the intro ( in a joking way) about maybe someday he'll get an award for his creature work...but then said he knows he never will. I've been thinking about that statement ever since. He said this in a totally innocent way smiling the entire time on the stage and he was just kidding around but it still kind of got to me. You can tell he's really proud of the film and loves his job. Hell...who wouldn't. Doug deserves something for his work and maybe Superherohype, Comingsoon, or some orginzation could start recgonizing this kind of work and give out awards.

There are the Saturn Awards I suppose, but you're right - the work he does under prosthetics isn't usually recognised, which is a terrible shame. But I live in hope, and considering he's an actor and not a creature performer (there is a difference, believe it or not) he has done some breathtaking work as 'himself'. Perhaps one day he'll garner a decent role outside the make-up realm and blow everyone's socks off. He is a very, very good actor.

HM

[Advanced Dark]

Yep. I've also never heard him speak before tonight (or couldn't put his voice and face together) but you were right before. His voice would be totally fine for the SS.

Oh and Shadowcat I was caught off guard so I forgot to ask about your Abe pic. Is that some inside joke or something? I'm sure he'll read this though anyways. :)

EDIT: WTF My first pic with him posing was deleted or removed somehow. That's werid. Just put it up again.

[Hellmistress]

He looks like The Joker there

I always thought he'd make a great Riddler. He's not manic like Carrey but he is wonderfully quirky, and he can be very sinister when he wants to be - plus he's very physical and elegant. :D

HM

[Compi716]

Advanced, here's Doug as the Silver Surfer in the EXACT same pose:
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/maitumtigre620/dag.jpg?t=1167373413

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I hope they dont underpower him because i hate it when they do that in movies.

And it looks like they havent got rid of the stupid mistakes, plot holes and contrivences that were peppered throughout the first movie either, i spotted a few in the teaser already!

[TNC9852002]

Well, that teaser does not even try to convince you that SS is going as fast as he can, so it is not safe to assume that what you see there is actually only as fast as he can go.

Remember, Johnny started chasing him after the SS was already moving at the speed that he had when everyone saw him at the wedding.

-TNC

[co2]

OMG they gave a one dimensional character another dimension so they could have someone likeable enough to make sequels off of?!?!?!?! Why would they do that?

Surfer a one dimensional character?! You must not know much about him.

[Bapman2099]

And it looks like they havent got rid of the stupid mistakes, plot holes and contrivences that were peppered throughout the first movie either, i spotted a few in the teaser already!

If you are DETERMINED to find mistakes... then no one can stop regardless how simple or tight plots are.
I know how POWERFUL and FASTER Surfer is... and to think he was underpowered was just retarded.
AND yes I just watched the trailer again... So big frigging deal TORCH caught up to him... was it like a race !?
Funny how people never talk about the good parts.. like where he just floated up above earth orbit with Jhonny in like mere 2 seconds... oh noooo... the problem is 'cause Jhonny caught up to him... even when Surfer wasn't trying to outrun him.
I mean how much clearer do the director has to be to make the viewers realise that was NOT Surfer's full power !!!???
Do you like want a line flashing in the screen "This is NOT Surfer's top speed"
And light speed in Earth's atmosphere !?... This is a big budget movie that needs to keep physics in the realm of possibilities... regardless how powerful the characters are... not a 9 am GIJOE cartoon where none of the characters ever get shot even when the entire army is shooting at them.

Sorry... to others for getting mad... but it really p|sses me off when people don't use common sense but tries to act smart.

[Gatchaman]

i'm a newbie here so just ignore me if i don't ake any sense, you ever been home walking around and a fly starts to bother you?? you try to ignore him, you walk away, but he wont stop.. ya look at him thinking what the hell is up with this fly does it want to die???? you could run away leave your house but why bother it's just a fly. finaly you just had enough so you swat him. jonny got swatted for being a pest lmao

[SatEL]

If you are DETERMINED to find mistakes... then no one can stop regardless how simple or tight plots are.
I know how POWERFUL and FASTER Surfer is... and to think he was underpowered was just retarded.
AND yes I just watched the trailer again... So big frigging deal TORCH caught up to him... was it like a race !?
Funny how people never talk about the good parts.. like where he just floated up above earth orbit with Jhonny in like mere 2 seconds... oh noooo... the problem is 'cause Jhonny caught up to him... even when Surfer wasn't trying to outrun him.
I mean how much clearer do the director has to be to make the viewers realise that was NOT Surfer's full power !!!???
Do you like want a line flashing in the screen "This is NOT Surfer's top speed"
And light speed in Earth's atmosphere !?... This is a big budget movie that needs to keep physics in the realm of possibilities... regardless how powerful the characters are... not a 9 am GIJOE cartoon where none of the characters ever get shot even when the entire army is shooting at them.

Sorry... to others for getting mad... but it really p|sses me off when people don't use common sense but tries to act smart.

Relax no ones complaning about anything i thought the trailer was amazing, this is just a discussion on perhaps the Surfer has been depowered its all in the name of fun and not a ***** fest. I am excited about the film and wanted to talk about the Surfer thats all so just relax ok.

[Bapman2099]

Ok relaxed

[TheShadowCat]

I'm glad you had fun, AD. Isn't he just the sweetest guy? And his ability to recognize faces is astounding.

I sent him a couple pictures to sign back in June, I got one back when I surprised him at SDCC, but he didn't have the second one with him. He said he'd mail it, but I have yet to get it and I've emailed him about it a couple of times, but have gotten no reply. I'm trying to be patient, really I am, but I'd really like my picture back.

The MTV Awards have catagories like Best Kiss, I'm surprised they don't have one for Best Creature or Best Creature Actor.

At any rate, glad you had fun and I hope there's more Dougie goodness in the next year.

>^^<

[TheShadowCat]

It sucks to be you. Because there's a lot of great comics right now. Better than films, in fact. :hyper:

I'm a stay at home mom to two boys. I don't have time to read a lot of comics.

>^^<

[javon]

Oh THATS the guy who plays SS? didn't know that. Glad you had fun.:yay:

[Still A ThorFan]

I don't mind the push that the Silver Surfer is getting because the cast of our beloved FF is f'n horrible, except Chris Evans.

[Spoarz™]

Wow, Doug sounds like a really great guy. I thought he was just superb as Abe Sapien in Hellboy, so I'm really looking forward to his perfomance as The Silver Surfer.

[The Game]

i'm a newbie here so just ignore me if i don't ake any sense, you ever been home walking around and a fly starts to bother you?? you try to ignore him, you walk away, but he wont stop.. ya look at him thinking what the hell is up with this fly does it want to die???? you could run away leave your house but why bother it's just a fly. finaly you just had enough so you swat him. jonny got swatted for being a pest lmao

Oh no I never ignore a fly or any insect, the moment I notice them its off to bug heaven for the lil critters

[co2]

i'm a newbie here so just ignore me if i don't ake any sense, you ever been home walking around and a fly starts to bother you?? you try to ignore him, you walk away, but he wont stop.. ya look at him thinking what the hell is up with this fly does it want to die???? you could run away leave your house but why bother it's just a fly. finaly you just had enough so you swat him. jonny got swatted for being a pest lmao

exactly

[Vartha]

I didn't think there was any ambiguity at all.

I mean he was flying upside down and backwards and Johnny still couldn't catch him. We then see him accelerate a little bit to put some distance between him and Johnny before turning finally dealing with him (easily and casually).

How could it be any clearer?
I loved how SS phased through his board, that was a sweet touch. It shows how much the board and SS are a part of each other.
I see Surfer just testing Johnny, seeing just how powerful the human can be. I don't see that scene as teasing.

[Vartha]

Well The more they cover on the Surfer's powers in ROTSS the less they have to cover in Surfer's own Film, and while they are showing Surfers powers why not tell a story at the same time?

[SpiderSensesTingling]

The Silver Surfer deserves this much attention. And, hopefully, in their second outing, the movie version of the FF characters will come closer to earning the admiration and love that the comic FF have earned. It depends partly on the writing, partly on the directing, and partly on the acting. I'm rooting for them.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If you are DETERMINED to find mistakes... then no one can stop regardless how simple or tight plots are.
I know how POWERFUL and FASTER Surfer is... and to think he was underpowered was just retarded.
AND yes I just watched the trailer again... So big frigging deal TORCH caught up to him... was it like a race !?
Funny how people never talk about the good parts.. like where he just floated up above earth orbit with Jhonny in like mere 2 seconds... oh noooo... the problem is 'cause Jhonny caught up to him... even when Surfer wasn't trying to outrun him.
I mean how much clearer do the director has to be to make the viewers realise that was NOT Surfer's full power !!!???
Do you like want a line flashing in the screen "This is NOT Surfer's top speed"
And light speed in Earth's atmosphere !?... This is a big budget movie that needs to keep physics in the realm of possibilities... regardless how powerful the characters are... not a 9 am GIJOE cartoon where none of the characters ever get shot even when the entire army is shooting at them.

Sorry... to others for getting mad... but it really p|sses me off when people don't use common sense but tries to act smart.

I wasnt talking about the torch catching SS sunshine, calm down, i was talking about the part were Johnny flies past the cars and they all turn over, yet the people all around dont get thrown over as well, i just thought that bit was stupid.

[thegameq]

1)Surfer can phase through things in the comcis, he's been doing it for donkeys years

2)Surfer does not and I repeat does NOT go light speed when on a planet, the fastest he'll go is usually around mach ten. Thats not to say he couldn't but the destruction he'd leave in his wake if he went light speed is ridiculous

Ah, how it brings a smile to my face when my fellow comicbook fans show their knowledge.

Pretty much taking a shot in the dark here, but I'm guessing SS was surveying our planet when he got the FFs attention. What he did to the torch I believe was nothing more than the SS making a clear statement to the torch and possibly earth about his power and inadvertently, his indifference. A demonstration quite simply. His stopping the torch could have simply been out of curiosity as well.

[The Guardian]

NICE JOB AD, HE IS A REALY NICE GUY!!!:yay:

[CAH]

Advanced, that's freaking awesome!

If only I lived in California...but hey man, I'm gonig to have to start talknig to Doug on MySpace...and you too. We haven't talked forever!


CAH

[ultimatefan]

Lucky bast... I mean, congratulations! ;)

[GreenKToo]

you know,now that you mention it,that is rather strange.i'm sure it will make sense though when the whole scene is shown....(I hope)I wasnt talking about the torch catching SS sunshine, calm down, i was talking about the part were Johnny flies past the cars and they all turn over, yet the people all around dont get thrown over as well, i just thought that bit was stupid.

[highguard]

^^^ You are the man AD you are the man.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Very nice AD. Jones has always kicked ass he seems like a fun dude.

[Orko Is King]

I wish I could pose like that without falling on my ass. Congrats!

[Advanced Dark]

Thanks guys yeah and just try holding that pose for more than 20 seconds without falling. Remember the guy's real tall and he had to stretch quite far to hold that pose. No wonder he has to be so flexible to play these roles.

[Fantastic-Boy]

Very cool!!!

[CaptainStacy]

Yeah...I had to get that pose for you guys here on the SHH and myspace. :)

I forgot...Thank you very much Doug.


Thank YOU, ad. You're a true Marvel Trooper! :word:

[Malus]

Doug's star definitely seems to be on the rise. Today Pan's Labyrinth and Doug's performance (below) got this extraordinary review from The New York Times:

'PAN'S LABYRINTH'
http://graphics.nytimes.com/images/misc/spacer.gifhttp://graphics10.nytimes.com/images/2006/12/29/arts/29laby190.3.jpg (http://movies2.nytimes.com/2006/12/29/movies/29laby.html?8mu&emc=mu)
A scene from "Pan's Labyrinth."
(Teresa Isasi/Picturehouse)

In Gloom of War, a Child's Paradise (http://movies2.nytimes.com/2006/12/29/movies/29laby.html?8mu&emc=mu)
By A. O. SCOTT

Set in a dark Spanish forest in a very dark time - 1944, when Spain was still in the early stages of the fascist nightmare from which the rest of Europe was painfully starting to awaken - "Pan's Labyrinth" is a political fable in the guise of a fairy tale. Or maybe it's the other way around. Does the moral structure of the children's story - with its clearly marked poles of good and evil, its narrative of dispossession and vindication - illuminate the nature of authoritarian rule? Or does the movie reveal fascism as a terrible fairy tale brought to life?
The brilliance of "Pan's Labyrinth" is that its current of imaginative energy runs both ways. If this is magic realism, it is also the work of a real magician. The director, Guillermo Del Toro, unapologetically and unpretentiously swears allegiance to a pop-fantasy tradition that encompasses comic books, science fiction and horror movies, but fan-boy pastiche is the last thing on his mind. . ."Pan's Labyrinth" is his finest achievement so far and a film that already, seven months after it was first shown at the Cannes Film Festival, has the feel of something permanent. Like his friend and colleague Alfonso Cuaron, whose astonishing "Children of Men" opened earlier this week, Mr. Del Toro is helping to make the boundary separating pop from art, always suspect, seem utterly obsolete.
The review (which goes on to mention Jones' work) can be read in its entirety at: http://movies2.nytimes.com/2006/12/29/movies/29laby.html?8mu&emc=mu

[Advanced Dark]

The part with "pale man" above was spooky as all hell. I wanted to see more of him. Also anyone else notice that in Blade 2, Hellboy, and now in Pan's Del Toro has a scene with blood flowing through that same circular maze like symbol. Also his creatures in Hellboy, Mimic, Blade, and Pan's have striking similarities in look and sound.

[Retroman]

Wow, thats awesome AD!I don't think many stars would do something like that.

[Advanced Dark]

I went there for 3 reasons.

To see the movie.
To meet Doug get his autograph.
To get that specific pic.

I actually have a little video on my phone but it's too damn large to send to my e-mail and I don't have the cord to send to my computer. Gotta get that but the same stuff will be online soon per HM>

[Cheerios]

That's so cool, Advanced. Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm glad you reached your 3 objectives and wow, Doug sounds like a really nice guy.