SILVER SURFER/ Lawrence Fishburne, Doug Jones Discussion Thread

[CoolAsICE]

I read on another forum that he's been hired to play the Surfer. LOL. Let us all hope and pray that this is false.

[Sardaukar]

Why?

Reeve's acting style could perfectly capture the spiritual solemnity of the Surfer.

[Advanced Dark]

Reeves would be fine as Silver Surfer though he's laughable in most other roles...except Neo.

[Kelly]

I read on another forum that he's been hired to play the Surfer. LOL. Let us all hope and pray that this is false.

That rumor has been going around quite a bit...mostly on imdb and a couple of others, but i haven't seen anything that officially conforms it.

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

Actually That's the ONLY Marvel char that Keanu is suited for...

[Flame on!]

I hope this becomes true, so I can retrace my messages from years ago on various comics boards and say 'told you so'.

[Kelly]

I hope this becomes true, so I can retrace my messages from years ago on various comics boards and say 'told you so'.

This may be true for a solo movie, but I would be totally surprised if the SS is a main character in this movie. I just don't see them having the time to do it. They look like they are on the same production schedule they were on last time (which I'm not really happy about, but we won't open that can of worms again.) and since they didn't get finished last time around with what they had, I certainly don't see them being able to do it this time w/ that kind of CGI. Story had enough trouble w/ Reed, and that didn't turn out so well. IMO.

[Warhammer]

Whoaaaaaaaaa........Nooooooooooooooooo.

:cool:

[Caliber]

Not a bad choice for the role of surfer.

[Mr. Credible]

someone should do a manip of Reeves. i could see it working.

[Lord Dagon]

What's wrong with him? I think The Surfer is the only role he could do in the Marvel verse.

[L0ngsh0t]

while keanu reeves is not the greatest actor, that is not he shouldnt play silver surfer, he just does nothing to come close to resembeling who the silver surfer is nor could his persona match that of him; marvel has taken wild swings at subpar, forgotten, or underatted actors and ressurected there careers before, i.e. hugh jackmen, willem dafoe, alfred molina, chris evans, bruce willis, possibley even keanu reeves himself, while he may not physically resemble the character john constantine, he nailed the attidue right on the head; basically i think keanu reeves is vastly underrated, in saying that i also don't think he's very good, nor do i think he would be a good silver surfer

[Advanced Dark]

^ For a minute I thought you were arguing with yourself. LOL

[Alcatraz]

naw that would be the worst. the character would end up being ruined like affleck did for daredevil. keanu reeves is such a horible actor. u need some random actor no one knows yet for these classic characters to work.

[SouLeSS]

He would probably pull of a decent Deadpool. But there are much better actors for that.

[aaron]

deadpool - ryan reynolds

so is this just a rumor, or any truth?

[Mr. Socko]

This is just a rumor I guess, but not a bad pick.

[Asteroid-Man]

Vin Diesel was supposed to be Silver Surfer :(

[fangrl06]

Keanu Reeves would have been perfect 5 or 10 years ago.

[Alcatraz]

noooooooooooo please god noooooooooooooooo
and to vin deisle... noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo please god noooooooooooooooooo

i wanna see some one ive never noticed before. just like how the hulk had eric bana (never heard of him before that), spiderman had tobey maguire (neverh eard of him at that point), x-men had hugh jackman (never heard of him at that point) ect.

come on we need a no name actor that can act.

[Steve Vai]

How about Han solo?

[Kelly]

How about we wait until he's actually confirmed as being in the sequel....lol

[Mr. Socko]

Vin Diesel was supposed to be Silver Surfer :(

Why don't I believe this...

[LoGaN's RuNNer]

I read on another forum that he's been hired to play the Surfer. LOL. Let us all hope and pray that this is false.
I think he could pull off a faily good silver surfer; on a side note.. I liked how he did Constantine.

[LoGaN's RuNNer]

Vin Diesel was supposed to be Silver Surfer :(
Oh God no! Keanu could pull it off so much better, but I hav ea feeling they might go for a less unknown actor.

[SouLeSS]

deadpool - ryan reynolds


You're aware that he turned down that offer, right?

[adamcz]

By all acounts the first F4 movie was average. An enjoyable movie that made enough money to merit a sequel, but that's about it.

From where we stand now, it doesn't look like the beginnings of a 10 movie decade-spanning franchise. There is simply no benefit in "saving" the best storylines for future movies. We need to swing for the fences in order to ensure that there are future movies after #2.

I hear the people who say that Galactus/Silver Surfer would make any future sequel feel like a letdown, but I think that's a bridge that should be crossed when we get there. Maybe an invasion of 1,000's of skrulls could wow us at that point. Who knows.

I don't want to see Galactus in #2 because the budget isn't high enough yet. Give us a return of Doom plus whatever generic villain you want (Mole Man or Puppet Master) and plant some obvious seeds for the coming of the Surfer. Maybe even show him at the end of the movie. Give the fans two years to get hyped up in the interem, and make a killing with the 3rd movie.

This franchise, if done right, has the potential to out-do Spiderman in merchandise sales. Focusing on the outerspace/sci-fi element of F4 (which is pretty much unique to them) can capture the imagination of kids all over.

Come on guys, make us some money!

[Casius--J]

Me personally since the first film went into production i've always wanted the skrulls to be in the second movie. I think it would take the franchicse into the direction it should go i.e sci fi adventure.

Then I think galactus will make a great villain for the third as three seems to be the standard number that these franchises go upto.

[Malus]

If they intend to use the Watcher for the Surfer/Galactus storyline (and he is fairly integral to it) then they need to find a way to introduce him beforehand as well. We need to see him "not getting involved" in some other dire situation so that when he actually breaks his oath of non-interference to help the FF save the Earth it will really mean something.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Surfer's origin as a prologue to the opening of FF2 or FF3, the remainder of the film concerning some other menace (Skrulls get my vote) then show the Watcher detecting the Surfer entering our solar system at the close of the film.. Having the Skrulls or another cosmic menace as the chief antagonists would also provide opportunity for Reed to discover the existence of the Watcher...

[adamcz]

I guess we're all on the same page then that Sci-fi is the way to go. The skrulls would be fantastic for film #2. They would leave Story with a lot of possibilities for realization, since they don't have a rabid fanbase that would be upset about a uniform or skin texture change, and they would be completely different from what we're used to seeing in a superhero movie.

Moleman and Puppet Master are very similar to other characters who have been brought to life on screen, and would require more brilliance from Story to appear exciting (though I don't really mind either of them as 1/3 of the movie, with Doom being the 2nd third and seed plantings for the Surfer being the last).

[Kirby&Ditko]

I am all for the Surfer being in the [next?] FF movie, but PLEASE leave his origin out of it! He should be introduced just like they did in the comics.

I still remember how disappointing Stan's origin of the Surfer was in '68. It was clearly 180 degrees opposite from what Jack Kirby had in mind when he created the Surfer [Surfer is the only Marvel character that Stan has admitted he did not create] and was one of the MAJOR reasons that Kirby left Marvel a few years later.

The SILVER SURFER graphic novel from the '70's is closer to what Jack had in mind. They can save all that Zen-La crap for the Surfer solo movie.

[zer00]

From the front page:
Variety reports that Marvel's Silver Surfer is on course to become a linchpin in Fantastic Four 2, which 20th Century Fox is readying for a July 4, 2007 release.

The character has evolved into one of Marvel's more sophisticated comic book heroes. A Surfer feature has been in Fox's arsenal for a decade, but the studio waited because the project is so ambitiously f/x-heavy and Fox has been busy with other Marvel franchises.

The wait ends with "FF2." The storyline is being finalized, with the studio about to choose between a script by X2: X-Men United scribe Mark Frost and another by Don Payne, who scripted Fox/New Regency's My Super-Ex Girlfriend.

According to the trade, Payne's script is the frontrunner and includes the Surfer.





I personally think they should hold out and not do Surfer yet. Just think it's too early on the FF characters themselves. And a SS movie first would be good to do beforehand inbetween FF2 and 3. That and he wrote Super Ex-Girlfriend:o

[KingOfDreams]

I think SS should be in FF3 as well. The Galactus story would be a nice epic way to close the trilogy.

[Weapon M]

I cannot wait till they do a Silver Surfer! Yes!! Go for it!! This is what we need!!!!!! 2007!!! Couldnt be sooner! Are you kidding? if they kick off Silver Surfer in his own movie this could be a 2010 release or something. Maybe we could see Silver Surfer in FF2 and then have a spin off. That would be great- amazing! Just like whats happening with the Xmen franchise of movies. They might have two spin offs! Daredevil had one!

The Silver Surfer has always been a very interesting and amazing charector. He is not like a run of the mill charector like Electra, and is not one dimensional at all. I think this is the time go to for broke. This would at least make the FF movie much more anticipated then if it would have just been the Mole Man, or another Doom story. To make the sequal appealing they need to get our attention cause the first movie was kind of corny.:doom:

[Retroman]

Wow! Silver Surfer would be amazing to see i'm just still scared this team(writer and director) won't do it just on film.

[RedIsNotBlue]

This HAS to mean Galactus right??

[Retroman]

^^SS and Galactus go hand in hand, so i assume he's in.
It's funny that casting call with Silver Surfer from a few months ago was supposedly fake but now it turns out to be true.

[Retroman]

Production Title: Fantastic Four 2
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Fantastic Four 2
Producer: Avi Arad, Stan Lee

Start Date June 2006
Year of Release: 2007

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The Fantastic Four will battle Silver Surfer and his planet-eating master Galactus.
http://www.superherohype.com/news/fantasticfournews.php?id=3822

[RedIsNotBlue]

**** yes. :up:

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~chking/fark/galactus.jpg

Anyone remember my old idea for the Galactus setup for a sequel?

[<borkis>]

I really think that SS and Galactus should be in FF3... I'd love to see them, but I want them to develop the team more before they jump in with too many characters

[zer00]

I cannot wait till they do a Silver Surfer! Yes!! Go for it!! This is what we need!!!!!! 2007!!! Couldnt be sooner! Are you kidding? if they kick off Silver Surfer in his own movie this could be a 2010 release or something. Maybe we could see Silver Surfer in FF2 and then have a spin off. That would be great- amazing! Just like whats happening with the Xmen franchise of movies. They might have two spin offs! Daredevil had one!


K. Let's rush everything:o

[Hunter Rider]

I'm not sure about this,on one hand the cool factor of seeing Surfer onscreen is obvious but as mentioned the F4 need time themselves to develop further before adding in a character that will not only take up a big chunk of the SFX budget but who also needs plenty of story time

I wonder if Fox considering this is more to do with wanting to get the character established with the mainstream in order to get the Silver Surfer movie out as quick as possible and add another franchise to their list

[Don Corleone]

silver surfer I like, but I always wanted to see him in his own movie, but my worry is if they will not do the character justice if they decide to go ahead with him in FF2

[Casius--J]

I dunno i still think its too early for the surfer to be in it. I always thought it would make a cool end to a trillogy. For me if they went this route it'd be hard to top it for a next sequel.

I stand by my statement that Skrulls should be in the second one.

[zer00]

I'm not sure about this,on one hand the cool factor of seeing Surfer onscreen is obvious but as mentioned the F4 need time themselves to develop further before adding in a character that will not only take up a big chunk of the SFX budget but who also needs plenty of story time

I wonder if Fox considering this is more to do with wanting to get the character established with the mainstream in order to get the Silver Surfer movie out as quick as possible and add another franchise to their list

Yeah, exactly. Throwing Surfer in there when even the FF aren't established as "super heroes" is moving a bit too fast. And...you got to finish off the story with Doom. which I'm sure the other script has. But throwing Surfer in there seems like alot to do. Introducing him at the end of FF2 as a cliffhanger owuld be the best thing to do. Or just have his own origin movie first then have a corssover. Which is seemed to me was always Fox's plans.

I had more to add to this...but I'm too ****ing tired. I'll space out my points

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, exactly. Throwing Surfer in there when even the FF aren't established as "super heroes" is moving a bit too fast. And...you got to finish off the story with Doom. which I'm sure the other script has. But throwing Surfer in there seems like alot to do. Introducing him at the end of FF2 as a cliffhanger owuld be the best thing to do. Or just have his own origin movie first then have a corssover. Which is seemed to me was always Fox's plans.

I had more to add to this...but I'm too ****ing tired. I'll space out my points

Yeah i figured the sequel would be a chance to show Latveria and evolve Doom further while establishing the F4 as heroes a lot more

The cliffhanger idea works best IMO,just show a shot of earth and have the camera pan around so we can see whose POV we are looking from,this reveal SS floating above earth,hold a few seconds and then have him zoom into camera and cut to credits

[zer00]

Cliffhanger would work best. A SS movie you'd have to show Galactus...it would make his appearance on earth less....earth shattering.

But coming back to ONE of my original points

Super Ex-Girlfriend

[Flame on!]

What sort of a spastic sits there with a script from the guy whoe wrote X-Men 2 in one hand, and a script form the guy who wrote My Super Ex-Girlfriend in the other, and goes "Hmmm, I'm not sure..."?

[adamcz]

My theory: Fox has to use the Surfer now, or they lose the movie rights. Marvel wants the rights back to as many characters as possible, so they won't go out of their way to renew the deal for Fox. It's probably now or never.

[zer00]

My theory: Fox has to use the Surfer now, or they lose the movie rights. Marvel wants the rights back to as many characters as possible, so they won't go out of their way to renew the deal for Fox. It's probably now or never.

Marvel wouldn't take back the rights to SS unless they had the rights to FF. They're not stupid. Marvel is still involved with Fox.

[Hunter Rider]

The thing with a script writer is that they have to get payed so a job is ajob until your a recognized writer
Now i'm not saying this guys F4 script is good but it's possible that he has a good script in him but was working for pay with Super Ex Girlfriend

[zer00]

Yeah....but it's still Super Ex-Girlfriend

no offense to him I'm sure he's....an excellent cook or something

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'm in the "wait" camp.

Ideally I'd like to see a three film Doom arc with other villains thrown in . . . and then, for the fourth film, Peter Jackson takes over and does a Galactus story.

Of course that's crazy, and if the second film doesn't kick major a$$, the whole franchise could get dropped, so that might be an argument to go for it now.

If they do go that route, I think the characters that start this film have to be different than they were the last film. They have to be the FANTASTIC FOUR now. The filmakers will have to show that several years have passed, and they have battled many foes at this point and they are a seasoned team. *edit - they may also have to show the Watcher in flashback so we know who he is and know we can trust him when things start going down - that's actually one of the bigger problems with doing a Galactus story so soon*

[Willie Lumpkin]

The thing with a script writer is that they have to get payed so a job is ajob until your a recognized writer
Now i'm not saying this guys F4 script is good but it's possible that he has a good script in him but was working for pay with Super Ex Girlfriend

And based on the article, they're viewing multiple efforts, so, in theory, it would have to be a better script than Frost's if they decide to go with it.

If any studio execs would like to send both to me, I'll take a look and provide my input . . . free of charge.:D

[Unlike]

I dont think its a terrible idea to introduce the Surfer in FF2 and give him a minor role.

It will attract more people to the theatres and allow for his spin off movie.

Lets pray they cast the surfer well though.

[co2]

Well, I'm a bit disapointed. I want a Surfer origin movie much like what the cartoon did. I would prefer not to have him play 2nd fiddle to FF. I think a Surfer movie with a giant CGI Galactus would be Marvel's Star Wars, but having him in an FF movie just sounds too crowded.

[Malus]

They may also have to show the Watcher in flashback so we know who he is and know we can trust him when things start going down - that's actually one of the bigger problems with doing a Galactus story so soon.
I can already see them omitting the Watcher, sadly. Especially if they do more than just introduce Silver Surfer in this movie.
But I completely agree that they must show us that the FF are a seasoned team now, having defeated numerous menaces, or the magnitude of Galactus' threat (and their utter helplessness in the face of it) won't mean much.
They could create a really fun montage with the standard spinning newspapers (ala Spider-man's origin) to convey this.

I would prefer not to have him play 2nd fiddle to FF. I think a Surfer movie with a giant CGI Galactus would be Marvel's Star Wars, but having him in an FF movie just sounds too crowded.
SS wouldn't be playing second fiddle to the FF. Remember: The FF's encounter with Silver Surfer and Galactus is how the character was introduced the first place. I think a Surfer movie without that scenario, especially if it never involves Earth, would fall flat. What would audiences latch onto emotionally? Nothing like seeing your home planet threatened with imminent destruction to get the blood pumping...

[adamcz]

Marvel wouldn't take back the rights to SS unless they had the rights to FF. They're not stupid. Marvel is still involved with Fox.I strongly disagree. Marvel needs to keep getting back big name characters, or they'll be forced to rely on Nick Fury and Shang Chi as their source of earnings growth. Remember that as a company, Marvel has to keep outdoing themselves financially to make themselves worthwhile for investors. Shang Chi will simply not get the job done.

If you want proof, you need to look no further than Iron Man and Hulk. Neither of these films were part of the original 10 included in the Paramount deal, but the moment marvel got the rights back, they were jumped right to the top of the list. Marvel wants to use popular characters.

Why would it be stupid to use the Surfer without F4? SS had his own comic book, and has plenty of stories to tell that don't involve the Fantastic Four. It would be nice to tell their most famous story together, but if more money can be made by Marvel making his movie themselves, they'll do it.

Making money is the goal, and nothing else.

[darthlaney]

What if they only cameo the surfer in FF2, and use the Heroes Reborn storyline, where Doom catches the surfer and drains his power cosmic to power himself up.

They could then still focus on Doom's development in Latveria.

FF2, might end with the arrival of Galactus, looking for his missing herald.

FF3 would then be the blockbuster battle to conclude the series.

:thing:

[Malus]

Why would it be stupid to use the Surfer without F4? SS had his own comic book, and has plenty of stories to tell that don't involve the Fantastic Four.

Not stupid, just misguided in my opinion. The Surfer needs to be seen in FF first. It's just he way it was meant to be. The seemingly cold-hearted Surfer discovering he still possesses feelings, finding compassion for the doomed human race, all because of a blind sculptress...

I don't think any of the Surfer's solo stories ever came close to the grandeur of his first few appearances in Fantastic Four. Very few comics ever have.

It would be nice to tell their most famous story together, but if more money can be made by Marvel making his movie themselves, they'll do it.
Making money is the goal, and nothing else.

Well you're probably right about Marvel's attitude, but I hope sensible heads prevail.
The Surfer's origin should be told in FF because that's how it happened.

[Kelly]

I'm alittle confused, haven't we already had confirmation that Frost is the writer?....oh well....bring on the SS!

[Lightning Strykez!]

Hmmm....

Very mixed feelings about this news...very mixed.

[Hunter Rider]

I'm alittle confused, haven't we already had confirmation that Frost is the writer?....oh well....bring on the SS!

*Blinks*:confused:

[Kelly]

Yikes, I just looked at Payne's writing credits....Mostly from Simpson's fame....I know we have alot of Simpson fans around here...hell even one of my Psychology teacher's uses lesson plans from "The Psychology of the Simpsons". I'm not a fan...

[Willie Lumpkin]

Not stupid, just misguided in my opinion. The Surfer needs to be seen in FF first. It's just he way it was meant to be. The seemingly cold-hearted Surfer discovering he still possesses feelings, finding compassion for the doomed human race, all because of a blind sculptress...



That's a very good point. Up until now, I've thought they could introduce the Surfer in his own films and then bring them together, but it would change the whole feel of the FF film if the audience knows him ahead of time.

It's much more interesting to have him show up as a cold character who we know nothing about.

I also think it would help the Surfer franchise (and I've made this comment in the past) to start this way. If the FF film is well done, the audience will leave wanting to know more about the character. Starting a Surfer film entirely on it's own would likely be a hard sell for an unfamiliar audience.

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yikes, I just looked at Payne's writing credits....Mostly from Simpson's fame....I know we have alot of Simpson fans around here...hell even one of my Psychology teacher's uses lesson plans from "The Psychology of the Simpsons". I'm not a fan...


Hmmmm, that's interesting. I do like the simpsons. If he's young and was able to get a job writing for them, I think it at least shows he's got some talent and creativity, but there's no real way to tell how he would do on something like this.

I'm willing to give him a shot (and frankly, I'd probably prefer to try something a little different now that Frost has had a chance).

[Advanced Dark]

Here's what I think they should do:

I think Doom should be the main focus of FF2 with the Puppet Master but have a sub plot/looming threat of Galactus playing out in the background. As the Doom plot rounds up towards the end of FF2 I think the Galactus/Silver Surfer thread should step up front setting up a separate Silver Surfer feature film featuring the Fantastic Four. Fantastic Four 3 could take place after the events of the Surfer film.

[Kelly]

Hmmmm, that's interesting. I do like the simpsons. If he's young and was able to get a job writing for them, I think it at least shows he's got some talent and creativity.

I hope so, you know me....I'll give the guy a chance....but I'm not a fan of the Simpson's....but I know many, many others who are...and there has to be a reason for that....that little series has been around a hell of a long time....and as we know writing is 90% of its success....so we shall see!:)

My main worry is the fact that they couldn't get all the cgi done for the first movie....and have added probably a fully cgi character...*sighs*...I just hope that they truly listened to the criticism of the first film, and have worked to take care of some of those problems.

[Kmack]

Well I certainly prefer Silver Surfer as the main antagonist to Puppet Master:o

[Hunter Rider]

Well I certainly prefer Silver Surfer as the main antagonist to Puppet Master:o

KMACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif:up:

[Advanced Dark]

I don't think Puppetmaster will be a lead villain overshadowing the continuation of Doom's story. Fox should be careful as the Silver Surfer story can't just pop up and be finished in one movie.

[Kelly]

I don't think Puppetmaster will be a lead villain overshadowing the continuation of Doom's story. Fox should be careful as the Silver Surfer story can't just pop up and be finished in one movie.

I have a feeling it will be the set up for the 3rd movie, just as Doom had a set up for the 2nd...

I also think we will begin to see if those who have leaked information ahead of time have any substance to their information...if the Variety article is correct then one of the early leaked information that the script is done, is incorrect.

[liesse00]

What if they only cameo the surfer in FF2, and use the Heroes Reborn storyline, where Doom catches the surfer and drains his power cosmic to power himself up.

They could then still focus on Doom's development in Latveria.

FF2, might end with the arrival of Galactus, looking for his missing herald.

FF3 would then be the blockbuster battle to conclude the series.

:thing:

I wouldn't mind this happening.:up:

Also looking at Payne's credits on The Simpsons he is one of the newer writers that has kept the feeilng of the show like it was back in the day when the show was at it's best so that's good, he has written one of my favorite episodes as well. (The Bart get's what it wants)

[adamcz]

Well you're probably right about Marvel's attitude (money as the #1 priority), but I hope sensible heads prevail.
The Surfer's origin should be told in FF because that's how it happened.This seems to imply that it would be sensible to value telling the stories the right away (as they were in the comics) above making money. Marvel is not a charity for comicbook fans, it is a business, who's sole reason for existance is to make money for its owners/shareholders. Investors buy into Marvel becasue they think that making movies about superheroes and selling related products will make them more money than other available investments would. It doesn't really matter if this means changing or ignoring details about a character for the sake of lots more money.

And trust me, there is a huge difference in profit potential between a liscensed Surfer movie that Fox produces and a completely in-house Marvel Studios production. If the Surfer is introduced through F4, it is likely (though not a gaurentee) it would draw better at the box office, but if done through Marvel studios the much higher % of retained profits could more than make up for it.

[Malus]

This seems to imply that it would be sensible to value telling the stories the right away (as they were in the comics) above making money.
No, I'm saying it's more sensible to not fix things that aren't broken and that the Surfer stands a better chance of coming over properly if his character is introduced the way it was done in the comic. At one point there was a Venom movie under consideration, to have no reference to Spider-man. I think we're all glad that didn't happen. Venom's origins are inextricably tied to Spider-man. It's not exactly the same situation with the Surfer, but...I think if the Surfer is not first introduced as an appearingly cold-hearted harbinger of Earth's imminent doom, it just ain't gonna work. His soul's redemption... his turning against Galactus to help save the "ant-like" beings of this planet... that is the way we need to meet the Silver Surfer. Or it won't work. I really don't think it will.


And trust me, there is a huge difference in profit potential between a liscensed Surfer movie that Fox produces and a completely in-house Marvel Studios production. If the Surfer is introduced through F4, it is likely (though not a gaurentee) it would draw better at the box office, but if done through Marvel studios the much higher % of retained profits could more than make up for it.

Except that Marvel hasn't actually shown they can make a movie themselves, as far as I know. Consider that Avi Arad signed off on the bone-headed changes to Dr. Doom in FF 1 and the depressing psychodrama that twisted The Hulk into something it was never meant to be. This man thinks he understands these characters, but in my personal estimation, from the man's own words, he doesn't have a clue much of the time.
I trust Fox over Marvel til the latter prove themselves.
I mean, right now, I don't think they even produce very good comics most of the time. I find 90% of their line unreadable. (And yes, I'd say the same about DC.) There are some wonderful exceptions, but not nearly enough given their output. Most of it is product with the primary purpose of making a buck. Why would their forays into movie-making be any different?

[MJB]

As much as i hate to see the same villian being used over and over like Magneto, Doom needs to be finished in FF2, then SS. I think it may be to much for Doom, SS and Galactus all to be in FF2. I personally don't see Fox shelling out the budget. The positive note is that the actors aren't getting paid a lot. More money is great for FX and it's needed for Ss and galactus. The time frame is also a concern. Fox needs to get this ball rolling now. If FOX gets going then they won't have a balloned budget because of time issues. I don't know guys, it's kind of iffy that this will turn out done right with FOX at the helm.

[CaptainStacy]

Well, one thing's certain; If Fox treats The Surfer as poorly as they did Doom, then FF2 will be the last FF movie i ever see.

[CaptainStacy]

I strongly disagree. Marvel needs to keep getting back big name characters, or they'll be forced to rely on Nick Fury and Shang Chi as their source of earnings growth. Remember that as a company, Marvel has to keep outdoing themselves financially to make themselves worthwhile for investors. Shang Chi will simply not get the job done.

If you want proof, you need to look no further than Iron Man and Hulk. Neither of these films were part of the original 10 included in the Paramount deal, but the moment marvel got the rights back, they were jumped right to the top of the list. Marvel wants to use popular characters.

Why would it be stupid to use the Surfer without F4? SS had his own comic book, and has plenty of stories to tell that don't involve the Fantastic Four. It would be nice to tell their most famous story together, but if more money can be made by Marvel making his movie themselves, they'll do it.

Making money is the goal, and nothing else.

I disagree. Several years ago, the mainstream audience had no idea who Blade was, yet that character went on to spawn a very sucessful movie franchise for Marvel, and is, in fact, STILL generating income (or about to be) in the form of a tv series.

No offense meant in any way, but just because you personally can't imagine an interesting idea and script for Shang-Chi, doesn't mean there isn't someone out there who already has.

[adamcz]

No offense meant in any way, but just because you personally can't imagine an interesting idea and script for Shang-Chi, doesn't mean there isn't someone out there who already has.Obviously nobody has, because Shang-Chi was in Marvel's slate for a very long time before Iron Man came into the picture, and yet was pushed to the far back burner. If their Shang-Chi idea was so good that it would spawn a huge franchise, they surely would have went with it. After all, a martial arts flick would be cheaper to make than Iron Man.

[co2]

SS wouldn't be playing second fiddle to the FF. Remember: The FF's encounter with Silver Surfer and Galactus is how the character was introduced the first place. I think a Surfer movie without that scenario, especially if it never involves Earth, would fall flat. What would audiences latch onto emotionally? Nothing like seeing your home planet threatened with imminent destruction to get the blood pumping...

Um..no need to remind me. I know how Surfer was introduced. And I never said not to involve Earth. I guess you didn't see the Surfer cartoon from a few years back. I thought it gave a great non-FF version of the Surfer which did involve Earth and was one of the best Marvel cartoons ever.
Here is the deal. If Surfer is in a FF movie, it will need to go one of two ways. Either 1) it will show Surfer's origin in flashback form (how cheap would that be), or 2) the film will have to start with Surfer's origin and sacrifice on Zen La, then lead into he and Galactus arriving on Earth and combating the FF. At that point..it may as well be a Surfer movie.

For Surfer's story to be shown in full, it needs to present his origin and seperation from his planet and love, then show his redemption when he turns against his master after encountering Earth. Thats a full arc. If you try and cram that into an FF movie, or even worse, try to do it backwards by showing his redemption in an FF movie and expect a spin-off to cover his origin, it will just not cover the epic scale that a Surfer strory needs. I understand that it would alter the comic version of Surfer's origin...but this is one of those cases where I think it is called for.

[RedIsNotBlue]

The story takes place maybe like a year after FF and they are established. And as Kirby&Ditko said in another thread the movie should open with the FF defeating a lesser villain.

Well my idea for the sequel was to have Reed STILL going over his miscalculations of the cosmic storm...still puzzled to how he was wrong. He discovers something that makes him want to travel to certain area of outer space. Now this would be a perfect idea for the Fantasticar (which I am not a big fan of) which would be more of a spaceship. They get to their destination and blah blah discover Galactus and Surfer doing their deed with a planet and the fight commences somehow. The FF have to return back to Earth but unknowingly are being tailed. Then we have Galactus set his sights on Earth. Reed also discovers that Galactus was responsible for accelerating the cosmic storm that changed their lives. You could also have Doom at the end somehow back to life just silently planning his comeback and maybe at the end he gets some kind of power which makes him more like the comic Doom.

Well there is my sloppy and rough outline of an idea for a sequel.

[Kelly]

The story takes place maybe like a year after FF and they are established. And as Kirby&Ditko said in another thread the movie should open with the FF defeating a lesser villain.

Well my idea for the sequel was to have Reed STILL going over his miscalculations of the cosmic storm...still puzzled to how he was wrong. He discovers something that makes him want to travel to certain area of outer space. Now this would be a perfect idea for the Fantasticar (which I am not a big fan of) which would be more of a spaceship. They get to their destination and blah blah discover Galactus and Surfer doing their deed with a planet and the fight commences somehow. The FF have to return back to Earth but unknowingly are being tailed. Then we have Galactus set his sights on Earth. Reed also discovers that Galactus was responsible for accelerating the cosmic storm that changed their lives. You could also have Doom at the end somehow back to life just silently planning his comeback and maybe at the end he gets some kind of power which makes him more like the comic Doom.

Well there is my sloppy and rough outline of an idea for a sequel.

One thing I think is going to happen is, we will only have Doom for one more movie, the sequel apparently. I see possibly Puppetmaster as the lesser villain, and SS toward the end....to be a major player in the 3rd movie....just my thoughts....honestly I am not well versed in the history of the SS and Galactus therefore my thoughts on this subject will be rather dumbfounded and few....LOL

[Malus]

Here is the deal. If Surfer is in a FF movie, it will need to go one of two ways. Either 1) it will show Surfer's origin in flashback form (how cheap would that be), or 2) the film will have to start with Surfer's origin and sacrifice on Zen La, then lead into he and Galactus arriving on Earth and combating the FF. At that point..it may as well be a Surfer movie.

I think they can have it both ways, actually.

We learn of the Surfer's coming, and what it represents, at the end of FF2, setting up Surfer & Galactus for FF3.

But before FF3, we get the Silver Surfer movie, with his proper origin. It could cover his life as Norrin Radd (But I think by 25-30 minutes into it, he needs to be the Surfer) then the untold years he spends finding planets for Galactus to consume, then end the film essentially where FF2 ended, with the Surfer closing in on Earth.

[Willie Lumpkin]

Now if this is true, it's May and they don't even have a script yet? That seems like a problem.

But back in January, we saw reports that they were scouting locations. I'm reasonably certain they'd have at least a rough script in hand before scouting locations.

In February, we saw the casting call which was the first mention of the Surfur (unless you count Tim Story saying that he wanted the Surfer for the sequel which, in itself, could be a clue). When we saw that casting call, it seemed far-fetched with nothing backing it up . . . but now we have some possible confirmation . . . giving more credibility to the casting call . . . but they wouldn't have been casting in Feb. for a film that doesn't even have a script in May.

I'm going to call BS on at least part of this story. I can't believe that they really haven't chosen at least a rough script at this point. After all, we knew last summer that there would be a sequel. With two years to make the film, could they really be so irresponsible that they don't even know which of two scripts they will be using at this point?

It is possible, however, that whoever leaked this was involved in the project back in December, and this is old information dating back to then.

In that case, it's possible that the casting call was legit.

The bottom line is, the two stories that seem to support each other - the casting call and today's story can't both be right.

[Willie Lumpkin]

The plot thickens.

I wanted to see exactly what Tim Story said about the Silver Surfer.

In this article: http://www.**************.com/news/articles/2132.asp

He actually says he wants the Surfer for the third film.

[co2]

I think they can have it both ways, actually.

We learn of the Surfer's coming, and what it represents, at the end of FF2, setting up Surfer & Galactus for FF3.

But before FF3, we get the Silver Surfer movie, with his proper origin. It could cover his life as Norrin Radd (But I think by 25-30 minutes into it, he needs to be the Surfer) then the untold years he spends finding planets for Galactus to consume, then end the film essentially where FF2 ended, with the Surfer closing in on Earth.


You hang on to that hope. I honestly think we will be lucky to get that 2nd FF movie (or unlucky, depending on how you feel about the last one). And holding out hope that they will do a Surfer movie between the two so that the FF3 is a sequel to the Surfer movie....in other words, we have to wait until a 3rd FF movie to get the Surfer's whole story arc...well, that's just plain living in fantasy land.

[Kelly]

The plot thickens.

I wanted to see exactly what Tim Story said about the Silver Surfer.

In this article: http://www.**************.com/news/articles/2132.asp

He actually says he wants the Surfer for the third film.

Thats what I based my post on....I remembered that article. I figured a nice little introduction at the end of the 2nd movie.

[Hunter Rider]

Thats what I based my post on....I remembered that article. I figured a nice little introduction at the end of the 2nd movie.

I agree with that,better to use him as a set up at the end for number 3 but if the studio want him and they have the motive i mentioned earlier they will overide Story

[Alcatraz]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SILVER SURFER IN FF2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS WILL BE BETTER THEN SPIDER-MAN 3 IF IT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SILVER SURFER IS DA BOMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND THE COMING OF THE BIG G FOR FF3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

im too excited. i also worry like most of you about the film version of Silver Surfer and Galactus. these are characters that if rushed could eaily be ruined. you all thought the dumbing down of Juggernaut was bad? what if Galactus isnt his God-like self also.

[Kelly]

Hmmm....

Very mixed feelings about this news...very mixed.

Let's wait and see what actually comes of this...I see no need to have any feelings at all about this w/ the limited information we have.

[zer00]

I strongly disagree. Marvel needs to keep getting back big name characters, or they'll be forced to rely on Nick Fury and Shang Chi as their source of earnings growth. Remember that as a company, Marvel has to keep outdoing themselves financially to make themselves worthwhile for investors. Shang Chi will simply not get the job done.

If you want proof, you need to look no further than Iron Man and Hulk. Neither of these films were part of the original 10 included in the Paramount deal, but the moment marvel got the rights back, they were jumped right to the top of the list. Marvel wants to use popular characters.

Why would it be stupid to use the Surfer without F4? SS had his own comic book, and has plenty of stories to tell that don't involve the Fantastic Four. It would be nice to tell their most famous story together, but if more money can be made by Marvel making his movie themselves, they'll do it.

Making money is the goal, and nothing else.


You...couldn't be more incorrect:o

[RedIsNotBlue]

Are you guys feeling SS shouldn't be in because you think Fox will give us another chop job of a theatrical cut?

[Advanced Dark]

^ I want him to be in the films personally but not the main story. It should be character development for either the SS film or FF3.

[zer00]

Are you guys feeling SS shouldn't be in because you think Fox will give us another chop job of a theatrical cut?

I don't want him in FF2...because I don't think he should be in FF2

[Kelly]

Are you guys feeling SS shouldn't be in because you think Fox will give us another chop job of a theatrical cut?

If they do the hack job they did before, we can say that w/ any character they bring to the screen...:o The editing HAS TO BE CORRECTED...bottom line for me. My hope is that it will be.:)

[Warhammer]

I am all for Silver Surfer being in this movie.

I think it will be better for him to be the the sequel than be in his own movie. It will make for a great story and i would prefer the Surfer not in his own movie.

It will be very, very odd to see how The Silver Surfer, Galactus, the "true" Doom, and possibly another villain would co-exist in the same movie.

Odd.

[Willie Lumpkin]

According to YJ1's post here:http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8689270&postcount=267

They have a script and have been doing pre-production for a while.

If that's true then the report that started all this speculation has to be at least partially wrong.

And if it's at least partially wrong, it's probably not worth all the time we're putting into it.

[Kelly]

According to YJ1's post here:http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8689270&postcount=267

They have a script and have been doing pre-production for a while.

If that's true then the report that started all this speculation has to be at least partially wrong.

And if it's at least partially wrong, it's probably not worth all the time we're putting into it.

Yeah i said that on the other thread...sort of.....pretty much tells us we really don't know what the hell is going on....

[Malus]

You hang on to that hope. I honestly think we will be lucky to get that 2nd FF movie (or unlucky, depending on how you feel about the last one).

Um..It's in pre-production and starts filming in a few months. :confused:

And holding out hope that they will do a Surfer movie between the two so that the FF3 is a sequel to the Surfer movie....in other words, we have to wait until a 3rd FF movie to get the Surfer's whole story arc...well, that's just plain living in fantasy land.

I'm not holding out hope for that at all, because Fox has never shown that kind of marketing savvy. A Silver Surfer movie in May 2008, followed closely by FF3 w/Surfer & galactus on July 4, 2008... Being sandwiched between two FF blockbusters is probably a Surfer film's best shot at success. There just couldn't be much time between SS & FF3.

I still remember the groans that spread across the theater when Back To The Future II ended on a cliffhanger...and that was only a six-month wait, if I recall...

[Kelly]

Um..It's in pre-production and starts filming in a few months. :confused:

Yeah i had a laugh about that as well....somebody missed a big announcement...LOL

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yeah i said that on the other thread...sort of.....pretty much tells us we really don't know what the hell is going on....

It's a good bet that at least half of everything we hear at this point will turn out to be absolutely WRONG. Particularly anything that comes from an anonymous source.

Remember all the time we spent worrying that only Johnny's hands would flame on?http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/sally/lol.gif

[GoblinScrier]

Well, if the Surfer is in part 2, I hope this doesn't ruin the chances of seeing a fully realized Dr. Doom, one that has an entire Latverian nation under his command and a battle with F4 that should blow the first one out of the water.

However, if he is in the movie, than I hope the end of the movie has Doom with the Power Cosmic as Galactus finally comes to Earth, and we still don't see Galactus until FF3, but the end could have Doom figure out who he is and decide to go battle him in space, figuring he could conquer him as well and become a universal threat !!!

[Kelly]

We still need to keep in mind this is a Fantastic Four movie...we had a Johnny Storm movie the first time, i don't want an SS or Doom movie the second time...the villain has to be strong of course, and formidable....but not where it makes the four second teir in the movie...

[Kelly]

It's a good bet that at least half of everything we hear at this point will turn out to be absolutely WRONG. Particularly anything that comes from an anonymous source.

Remember all the time we spent worrying that only Johnny's hands would flame on?http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/sally/lol.gif


Oh god yes......

[adamcz]

Except that Marvel hasn't actually shown they can make a movie themselves, as far as I know. Consider that Avi Arad signed off on the bone-headed changes to Dr. Doom in FF 1 and the depressing psychodrama that twisted The Hulk into something it was never meant to be. This man thinks he understands these characters, but in my personal estimation, from the man's own words, he doesn't have a clue much of the time.
I trust Fox over Marvel til the latter prove themselves.
I mean, right now, I don't think they even produce very good comics most of the time. I find 90% of their line unreadable. (And yes, I'd say the same about DC.) There are some wonderful exceptions, but not nearly enough given their output. Most of it is product with the primary purpose of making a buck. Why would their forays into movie-making be any different?Why did you type all of that? We were supposed to be discussing what is more profitable for Marvel; not what would make a better movie for the sake of the fans.

You...couldn't be more incorrect
You're trolling. Either address one of my specific comments, or don't reply.

[Malus]

Why did you type all of that? We were supposed to be discussing what is more profitable for Marvel; not what would make a better movie for the sake of the fans.

I wasn't aware you were setting the parameters for what we're "supposed" to be discussing. :rolleyes:

I think I was discussing what would make a better movie for the fans, the general public and Marvel.

100% of a flop isn't an improvement over 15% of a mega-hit.
Marvel hasn't shown they can even produce a movie for crying out loud.

[zer00]

We still need to keep in mind this is a Fantastic Four movie...we had a Johnny Storm movie the first time, i don't want an SS or Doom movie the second time...the villain has to be strong of course, and formidable....but not where it makes the four second teir in the movie...

Seriously? Wow could have fooled me and everyone I've ever talked to about the FF movie.



You're trolling. Either address one of my specific comments, or don't reply.

What kind of helmet do you own?

[adamcz]

I wasn't aware you were setting the parameters for what we're "supposed" to be discussing.Then I guess you aren't aware of the long-established conventions of human interaction. When you reply to something that a person has said, it is assumed that what you have to say is somehow related to what they had to say. And the post of mine which you replied to was about the difference in profit potential between a Marvel Studios movie and a Fox movie.
Marvel hasn't shown they can even produce a movie for crying out loud.Correct. Iron Man will be the first movie from Marvel.

[Kelly]

Damn Zer00 it was just a comment....i guess Thingy being gone is making you irritable...

adamcz, if we have to stay 100% to the topic on these threads....99.9% of the threads would be closed on the hype...

Zer00 comments are trollish? how? they are just his comments on the subject...


We are all just making comments here...nothing earth shattering....JUST COMMENTS...

[Warhammer]

The only thing I'm worried about is Silver Surfer getting in the way of the "true" Dr. Doom, that Tim Story says will be in the sequel.

If the Surfer does, I'd prefer the damn Moleman over him.

[zer00]

I have to say I'm believing this less and less.

[Kelly]

According to YJ1's post here:http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8689270&postcount=267

They have a script and have been doing pre-production for a while.

If that's true then the report that started all this speculation has to be at least partially wrong.

And if it's at least partially wrong, it's probably not worth all the time we're putting into it.

True words....

[adamcz]

adamcz, if we have to stay 100% to the topic on these threads....99.9% of the threads would be closed on the hype...I was speaking only of the instance where the guy quoted me and seemed to be replying to me, except that he didn't address any point I made. If you want to talk about something else, don't begin with a quote.

Zer00 comments are trollish? how? they are just his comments on the subject...He quoted a long post of mine where I made 4 or 5 different points, and then just said I "couldn't be more inaccurate." If you're going to say I'm wrong, then you owe it to me and everybody else who's reading to say why. If you make a post that only says somebody is wrong/stupid/a jerk/etc, but you can't take the time or energy to discuss the points they made in the first place, you are trolling.

See post #60 for clarification.

[zer00]

I was speaking only of the instance where the guy quoted me and seemed to be replying to me, except that he didn't address any point I made. If you want to talk about something else, don't begin with a quote.
He quoted a long post of mine where I made 4 or 5 different points, and then just said I "couldn't be more inaccurate." If you're going to say I'm wrong, then you owe it to me and everybody else who's reading to say why. If you make a post that only says somebody is wrong/stupid/a jerk/etc, but you can't take the time or energy to discuss the points they made in the first place, you are trolling.

See post #60 for clarification.

You were wrong. I summed it up simply for your reading pleasure.

[Kelly]

I was speaking only of the instance where the guy quoted me and seemed to be replying to me, except that he didn't address any point I made. If you want to talk about something else, don't begin with a quote.
He quoted a long post of mine where I made 4 or 5 different points, and then just said I "couldn't be more inaccurate." If you're going to say I'm wrong, then you owe it to me and everybody else who's reading to say why. If you make a post that only says somebody is wrong/stupid/a jerk/etc, but you can't take the time or energy to discuss the points they made in the first place, you are trolling.

See post #60 for clarification.

Well thats pretty much Zer00's style, but its not trolling...its just Zer00 w/ a small "z"....:)

[adamcz]

You were wrong. I summed it up simply for your reading pleasure.I guess it's easy to run up 20,000 posts when you have nothing to say. Either have a real discussion with me or go **** yourself.

What was I wrong about?

[zer00]

I guess it's easy to run up 20,000 posts when you have nothing to say. Either have a real discussion with me or go **** yourself.

What was I wrong about?

You're not very intelligent or mature are you...

[Kelly]

Whoa...guys...come on! Let's chill ok?

[zer00]

Hold on I'm enjoying this





Ever opened a door and found yourself in a place....a place called the twilight zone?

[CaptainStacy]

Obviously nobody has, because Shang-Chi was in Marvel's slate for a very long time before Iron Man came into the picture, and yet was pushed to the far back burner. If their Shang-Chi idea was so good that it would spawn a huge franchise, they surely would have went with it.

Are you 100% certain about that? From what i understand there's WAY more to making a movie than getting a script writer. Scripts and ideas can sometimes float around Hollywood for literally YEARS before anyone does something with them. Again, using Blade as an example; I remember Goyer talking about his script for that movie as far back as '94...look how long it took to get made.

The point being; Blade was nearly a complete unknown before someone took a chance on it, yet has garnered tremendous income for Marvel. It's purely narrow minded to think that another lesser known character like Shang or Ant-Man couldn't do the same with the proper creative teams brought onboard..

[Malus]

Blade was nearly a complete unknown before someone took a chance on it, yet has garnered tremendous income for Marvel. It's purely narrow minded to think that another lesser known character like Shang or Ant-Man couldn't do the same with the proper creative teams brought onboard..

I agree completely. Shang-Chi was a pretty big hit in his day, due in no small measure to the enormous success of David Carradine's Kung Fu series.
Look at the huge success of Kill Bill 1 and 2. Can an action film of that magnitude succeed with a mass audience these days if executed without tongue firmly in cheek?
I think so.

[MJB]

im too excited. i also worry like most of you about the film version of Silver Surfer and Galactus. these are characters that if rushed could eaily be ruined. what if Galactus isnt his God-like self also.

Well prepare to be angry. We're pass worry at this point. Fox has shown no regard for these characters. They made F4 on a formula as opposed to getting and doing what's best for the movie. A rushed production and a poor creative team resulted in a lower box office take. F4 could have been much better with time and preperation. Time and preperation makes a diference between making 150 million domestically or 250 million.

Fox will not do this right, the SS and Galctus will not be done right. I'm almost confident that we'll get the ultimate version of Galactus(whatever that is) and I have no idea what the SS will be like. Now i can accept for budgetary reasons a Surfer that transforms back and forth between his silver form and human form, but considering that it's May 06 and they haven't even started selected a script and started pre production, well it looks to be another rushed production on a tight shooting and post production time frame.

[Dynasty]

adamcz you are a 100% correct zer00 is being un-fair by stating a comment like "your wrong" without backing it up. I havent seen you around the FF boards much, i like your prespective and where your coming from and i agree with most everything you said.

If Silver Surfer being in FF2 is the only way to have SS introduced in the FF then i say go for it, bringing the SS to the big screen any other way is plain WRONG he needs to be introduced in a FF movie.

So ya im pro SS in FF2!

[Philly Phanboy]

I think they can have it both ways, actually.

We learn of the Surfer's coming, and what it represents, at the end of FF2, setting up Surfer & Galactus for FF3.

But before FF3, we get the Silver Surfer movie, with his proper origin. It could cover his life as Norrin Radd (But I think by 25-30 minutes into it, he needs to be the Surfer) then the untold years he spends finding planets for Galactus to consume, then end the film essentially where FF2 ended, with the Surfer closing in on Earth.

That's pretty much the sequence of movies I would want to see too. Having FF2 act as a Silver Surfer origin movie doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

FF2 should be about confronting Doom in Latveria with maybe a Galactus intro at the end.

[Kirby&Ditko]

I agree 100% that the Surfer should be introduced in the FF movies, just like he was in the comics.
I also feel that he is the only one that can bring Doom back from his present state, so that takes care of that problem.
Now how would Doom "thank" someone for such an act...it's all in the Lee/Kirby comics...

[Willie Lumpkin]

If I was an evil Fox executive - who cared about nothing but money and had a heart the size, shape and warmth of a small, shriveled, dead toad, I would be pushing for the Surfer to be included in FF2.

If you take artistic considerations away and don't worry about the fact that the FF need to mature before they face a challenge like this, SS and Galactus will almost certainly sell more tickets than Puppetmaster and Doom.

Comic fans would get excited about SS and Galactus much more than they would lower profile characters.

Also, as owner of the Silver Surfer rights, I'd be much more comfortable selling a stand alone SS movie after the characters were introduced in FF rather than trying to introduce some alien named Norrin Rad on a movie-going audience that knows next to nothing about him.

I believe it was Captain Stacy who pointed out several months ago that a stand-alone Surfer movie (who had not been introduced in FF) could be marketed with some effort and creativity, and that's a fair point, but let's not forget that I'm a Fox exec., not an actual thinking, caring, creative person who bleeds for my art.

[Kelly]

If I was an evil Fox executive - who cared about nothing but money and had a heart the size, shape and warmth of a small, shriveled, dead toad, I would be pushing for the Surfer to be included in FF2.

If you take artistic considerations away and don't worry about the fact that the FF need to mature before they face a challenge like this, SS and Galactus will almost certainly sell more tickets than Puppetmaster and Doom.

Comic fans would get excited about SS and Galactus much more than they would lower profile characters.

Also, as owner of the Silver Surfer rights, I'd be much more comfortable selling a stand alone SS movie after the characters were introduced in FF rather than trying to introduce some alien named Norrin Rad on a movie-going audience that knows next to nothing about him.

I believe it was Captain Stacy who pointed out several months ago that a stand-alone Surfer movie (who had not been introduced in FF) could be marketed with some effort and creativity, and that's a fair point, but let's not forget that I'm a Fox exec., not an actual thinking, caring, creative person who bleeds for my art.

So what exactly are you saying about Fox Execs???....*smiles*.....you aren't going to get a goody bag this year Mr. Willie....:o

[adamcz]

And again, keep in mind that there is a definite limit on how long Fox owns the rights to the Surfer. I don't know when the cutoff date is when the rights revert to Marvel, but such a date definately exists. It's possible that they are forced to introduce SS now or lose him forever.

[Willie Lumpkin]

So what exactly are you saying about Fox Execs???....*smiles*.....you aren't going to get a goody bag this year Mr. Willie....:o

I was trying to think what I would do if I was an evil Fox executive. I wasn't in any way implying that evil Fox executives actually existed.;)






There. Let's see them try to sue me now.

[Spideykid]

Dwayne Johnson is the Great SilverSurfer!! :spidey:

http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/4538/surferspideykid5ul.th.jpg (http://img438.imageshack.us/my.php?image=surferspideykid5ul.jpg)

[zer00]

adamcz you are a 100% correct zer00 is being un-fair by stating a comment like "your wrong" without backing it up. I havent seen you around the FF boards much, i like your prespective and where your coming from and i agree with most everything you said.

If Silver Surfer being in FF2 is the only way to have SS introduced in the FF then i say go for it, bringing the SS to the big screen any other way is plain WRONG he needs to be introduced in a FF movie.

So ya im pro SS in FF2!

I'm not giving reasons when you're wrong in the whole. This is the internet for gods sake.

[Kelly]

I was trying to think what I would do if I was an evil Fox executive. I wasn't in any way implying that evil Fox executives actually existed.;)






There. Let's see them try to sue me now.

They won't sue you, but you won't get your goody bag next year...:o

[zer00]

Those things are overrated anyway:o

[Kelly]

Those things are overrated anyway:o

lol....ok

[RedIsNotBlue]

I am still waiting for a buyoff from Fox.

[Inhuman63]

I think that if the SS is in FF2 it will be at the end that you see him. It appears that Fox is doing the same thing with FF as they did with X-Men and if they follow that formula, then the main SS and Galactus storyline would appear in FF3 (as the Phoenix saga is bursting forth in X-Men 3). For FF2 I would really like to see Doctor Doom and the Inhumans but I doubt that they will go with that.

[Kmack]

Dwayne Johnson is the Great SilverSurfer!!
I hope not.

KMACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif:up:
Hey hunter;)

[Iron Maiden]

I have big doubts that the Surfer will be involved in a large way. This movie is supposed to be shooting in what, less than a month?? To do it right, it should be done on the scale of "Lord of the Rings" and I don't see how that can happen with a film that is scheduled to open in July of 2007.

[spideyrunner]

wow...Silver Surfer....WHAT AN AWESOME IDEA !!

[spideyrunner]

Well...if Keanu Reeves plays Silver Surfer, so be it.
or Vin Diesel. No problems....it's up to the director.

[Kelly]

i doubt either of those will...it will be some young, up and comer, or a no - name in my opinion. i could be wrong of course...

[Drakon]

Hmm. Reeves as Surfer...I don't think I like the sound of them apples, Will! What are we gonna do?

Seriously, he's not good for the role. His acting is like cardboard-stiff and paper thin.

[IronSpidy]

WOW!! Hopefully this will happen!!!!!!!!! PLEASE HAPPEN!! But what will his role be??

[Kelly]

Hopefully very little until the end...imo...

[IronSpidy]

No! It will be cool if SS fights along with the 4!

[Advanced Dark]

I hope not.


Hey hunter;)

Dwayne Johnson LOL. He'd look so awkward.

[Kelly]

No! It will be cool if SS fights along with the 4!

Sorry, but i disagree...let the SS come in for awhile...maybe more in a 3rd...and give him his own movie....contrary to what some might think...my opinion is the first movie was not a Fantastic Four movie, it was a Fantastic 1.5...and i want a full on Fantastic Four next time around....but thats just me...:)

[IronSpidy]

Which member was in Fantastic 1.5???

[Kelly]

Johnny w/ alittle bit of Thing...

[Drakon]

I can agree with you, JMA. I think it didn't bother me as much, though, because I had already went in knowing the characters, so I wasn't too entirely worried about character development when I first saw it. I was more worried about "Holy Crap! F4 in the theater!"

[Kelly]

I can agree with you, JMA. I think it didn't bother me as much, though, because I had already went in knowing the characters, so I wasn't too entirely worried about character development when I first saw it. I was more worried about "Holy Crap! F4 in the theater!"

Yep, honestly, my demise was knowing too much going into the theatre....i left the "Holy Crap! F4 in the theatre!" back about October 2004....i hope to not do that this time around....:D

[Drakon]

Same here. Now I just want a great movie.

[Kelly]

Same here. Now I just want a great movie.

Exactly....

[Mr Sensitive]

Reeve's acting style could perfectly capture the spiritual solemnity of the Surfer.

Yeah. And he would be very much like Alan Davis draws him, which would be nice.

[IronSpidy]

When do you think this rumour will be confirmed or debanked?

[GoblinScrier]

If this Surfer thing turns out to be true, does this mean that the chances of getting a Latverian Dr. Doom with Doombots, the whole nine yards, is shot to hell, or might we get a Dr.Doom that decides to take over the Surfer's power which leads to him confronting Galactus in part 3...that would be ultra sweet!!!

[Kelly]

If this Surfer thing turns out to be true, does this mean that the chances of getting a Latverian Dr. Doom with Doombots, the whole nine yards, is shot to hell, or might we get a Dr.Doom that decides to take over the Surfer's power which leads to him confronting Galactus in part 3...that would be ultra sweet!!!

i'm going to stick to my signature comment from Willie for awhile....

[MJB]

Hmm. Reeves as Surfer...I don't think I like the sound of them apples, Will! What are we gonna do?

Seriously, he's not good for the role. His acting is like cardboard-stiff and paper thin.


The Surfer has never been know for his passion and emotion. Reeves would fit him. I like the idea of reeves as the Surfer. One question? Has anyone ever seen the Surfer smile??

[Drakon]

The Surfer has never been know for his passion and emotion. Reeves would fit him. I like the idea of reeves as the Surfer. One question? Has anyone ever seen the Surfer smile??

I think you may have mistunderstood me. By paper thin and stiff, I meant like "he's trying too hard to make us believe this character"

[IronSpidy]

What the heck are Doombots?

[deathshead2]

What the heck are Doombots?:eek: You don't know there robots that look like dr. doom. He uses them alot.

[IronSpidy]

Pics?

[deathshead2]

Um they look like dr.doom its not that hard just think about it.

[IronSpidy]

Hmmmmmm Im sure there are pics out there.


Anyways I really hope a CCI Surfer is in 2.

[Alcatraz]

PLEASE GOD LET SILVER SURFER BE IN FF2!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALSO FOCUS MOST OF THE MOVIE ON THE TYRANT DR.DOOM IN LATVERIA WITH AN ARMY OF DOOMBOTS AND DECOY DR.DOOMS!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND IF YOU REALLY EXIST GOD PLEASE LEAVE A CLIFF HANGER OF THE COMING OF GALACTUS AT THE END SO I CAN SPEND 2 YEARS COUNTING THE DAYS UNTILL I SEE HIM IN FF3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

just had to pray before bed.
PEACE

[IronSpidy]

Hahahaha, when do you think we will get confirmation?

[Willie Lumpkin]

Just for clarification, one of Doom's skills is that he is a master designer of robots. Since 'Doombot' is a hybrid of 'Doom' and 'Robot' I've heard it used to describe any robots made by Doom.

Doom has made a number of robots including a nearly indestructable army:

http://images1.snapfish.com/346%3A23%3A89%7Ffp343%3Enu%3D323%3A%3E8%3C%3B%3E67 3%3EWSNRCG%3D32336%3B94%3C4%3B44nu0mrj


And decoys that look just like him that he has used rather than putting himself in direct contact with his enemies:

http://images1.snapfish.com/346%3A23%3A89%7Ffp346%3Enu%3D323%3A%3E8%3C%3B%3E67 3%3EWSNRCG%3D32336%3B94%3C4%3B43nu0mrj


I'd love to see both types of robots on the big-screen at some time, but when I (and I assume others) refer to "an army of Doombots", I'm referring to the former.:)

[Drakon]

Well, about the Doombots, I'm really either/or, depending on how they do them. Way I see it, they need to fight on that looks EXACTLY like Vic, and then they find out that it's just a robot. Later, they discover that Vic's alive and well, and making more Doombots. The original should be an exact replica, and the BotArmy needs to look like him, sans Cloak.

[Mr Sensitive]

A very good idea somebody brought up a while ago was that the first movie Doom should be a Doombot (and, also, a Dumb-bot).

Of course it won't happen, but it was a charming idea, nonetheless.

[IronSpidy]

When is filming set to begin so we can find out for sure about Surfer being in this movie...

[Kelly]

When is filming set to begin so we can find out for sure about Surfer being in this movie...

We have two dates running around....June 1, and August 1....but just because filming starts doesn't mean we'll know if SS is in it.

[Kelly]

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8561/44500ff2poster23to.th.jpg (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=44500ff2poster23to.jpg)

Not my work, from another board...

[Willie Lumpkin]

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8561/44500ff2poster23to.th.jpg (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=44500ff2poster23to.jpg)

Not my work, from another board...

Cool!:up:

I'm starting to think it might not be too bad to take the plunge and rush into a Galactus story at this point.

Leading up to the first film, there was a lot of effort by Avi A. and others to define what makes the FF unique. He kept coming back to the "family" idea.

That's one thing, but the other thing is they're world savers. They're not saving the city from thugs. When the world's in peril, they're the go-to guys.

It's difficult to imagine the sloppy collection of weak, neurotic characters from the first film saving the world, but if they don't do something drastic to shift gears now, will they ever be able to pull it off?

Maybe the weakness of the first film is the reason they need Galactus now rather than a reason for them to wait.

[The Geek Vault]

I have heard people cast Silver Surfur and some Galactus. But anyone think the Watcher should make an appearence. I think he should. They shouldn't go with the whole big head guy though I think maybe glowing eyes and really tall. Who would you guys cast? What about Partrick stewart.

[webhead731]

lol. Stewart is Xavier, that would be weird to see him in another Marvel/Fox movie.

I don't know much about The Watcher, so, I'm not sure.:up:

[Alcatraz]

i think watcher should be a CGI type of thing. not just some bald guy. he needs bugged out eyes and a huge head. i have no idea for a actor tho.

[Malus]

I think CGI on the Watcher could be a good idea. He needs to come across as near-godlike himself, so that his warning about Galactus carries real weight.
For some reason, I'm thinking of the scene in 2010 where Roy Scheider encounters the starchild.

I'm still hoping they're not going to use Galactus just yet in FF2.

[The Geek Vault]

I think the head shouldn't be too big though that would look goofy, the head should be big as in the back of his head should come, but definitly make the eyes big and glowing.

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'd go with a classically trained actor (probably doesn't need a big name, just someone with some real stage presence) slightly modified with some CGI effects to seem more ethereal.

The trick is, we need to know and trust him before Galactus shows up, and that's going to be a problem if they try to do this all in one film.

When Galactus showed up for the first time in the Comics, the Watcher was already a known and trusted friend. It won't work nearly as well if this strange guy just pops up and starts describing some planet eating goon who is coming.

[Kelly]

I don't see them doing it all in one film....just my opinion...but if they do...I will be enormously surprised...

[co2]

Yeah i had a laugh about that as well....somebody missed a big announcement...LOL


Guys, come on. I realise it is in pre-production....I guess I should have said we are lucky, rather than we will be lucky..I only said we will be because we haven't gotten it yet.

[Iron Maiden]

The latest about rumored FF2 screenwriter Donald Payne, interviewed at Cinematical (http://www.cinematical.com/2006/05/10/cinematical-interview-with-super-ex-girlfriend-scribe-don-payne) .


Cine: Very recent reports indicate that Fox likes your Fantastic Four 2 screenplay, and also that it includes the presence of fan-favorite Silver Surfer. What juicy little scoop can you give us that Variety didn't mention?

DP: I can't confirm or deny anything or I'll be in serious trouble. Except for the fact that I'm working on it, and I'm having a blast. I'm a huge fan, and everyone wants this to be a great movie.

Cine: Critical and fan response to the first Fantastic Four was ... mild, yet the flick was one of last summer's biggest hits. How tough is it to write an adaptation of a really beloved super-team? What steps do you take to ensure that a sequel's an improvement?

DP: I think you take a look at what worked and what didn't work, and you go from there. Certainly it's impossible to take something that's so beloved by millions of hardcore fans and make something which is going to please everyone. The nation of geeks (of which I'm a proud citizen) can be a little negative out of the gate, to say the least. But I'm trying to write the Fantastic Four movie I would like to see. I'm hoping my brethren will feel the same way when all is said and done.


Keeping my fingers crossed for a much more balanced script. The Spider-Man and Harry Potter franchises have shown that you can have an intelligent script aimed at an all ages audience without dumbing things down.

[Hunter Rider]

With the rumoured June start date hopefully we will know soon what direction the movie is going,of course SS could be like Venom in the new Spidey movie where actual confirmation is hard to come by

Thanks IM:up:

[Retroman]

Thanks Iron Maiden :)
Hmmm...Payne seems to know the source material + he has his heart in the right place. But it worries me that he's only dealt with more comedic matertial than serious and i'm also worried about a director like Tim Story taking the sequel to another level. IMO FF2 must be 4 times (no pun intended) better than the last movie. Can he step up the plate? Will he get a great crew to do that? How much time and money are Fox willing the movie a chance of greatness?

[Kelly]

The latest about rumored FF2 screenwriter Donald Payne, interviewed at Cinematical (http://www.cinematical.com/2006/05/10/cinematical-interview-with-super-ex-girlfriend-scribe-don-payne) .



Keeping my fingers crossed for a much more balanced script. The Spider-Man and Harry Potter franchises have shown that you can have an intelligent script aimed at an all ages audience without dumbing things down.

The thing is I don't think it was necessarily Frost that dumbed things down....alot of the dumbing down was in the editting room....and no matter how good a script you write if they (Hoy & Co.) slash the hell out of it....you have a mediocre movie...

[Kelly]

Guys, come on. I realise it is in pre-production....I guess I should have said we are lucky, rather than we will be lucky..I only said we will be because we haven't gotten it yet.

I'm sorry that was kind of funny, couldn't resist....

[Willie Lumpkin]

The latest about rumored FF2 screenwriter Donald Payne, interviewed at Cinematical (http://www.cinematical.com/2006/05/10/cinematical-interview-with-super-ex-girlfriend-scribe-don-payne) .



Keeping my fingers crossed for a much more balanced script. The Spider-Man and Harry Potter franchises have shown that you can have an intelligent script aimed at an all ages audience without dumbing things down.

Hmmmmm, this is getting interesting. This seems to confirm the story that got us all talking. Avi Arad says they have script. Donald Payne says he can't comment, but he's working on it.

My gut is telling me they're going with Payne's script (or else he'd be saying something like - "yeah, I had some fun with that, but they decided to go in a different direction"), and it's going to include Galactus and SS.

This is the first time I've felt it really might go this way.

The next few months should be interesting.

[Willie Lumpkin]

Has anyone alerted the front page people to Iron Maiden's find? This seems like front page material to me.

[Iron Maiden]

Kel, I know you think the editing process played a factor but from what I have seen, it just wasn't on the page. The silly romantic triangle fizzled badly and there was just not enough of classic Doom to make him a memorable villain. I am not pleased with, as Willie points out, once again they go to a guy with a comedy background. I know that it is way early to make judgments but still, that's how I handicap at the horses, past performances....:)

[Willie Lumpkin]

I would say that the editing is a big part of what made the story generally seem uncohesive and disappointed many critics and general movie-goers.

I think the lack of a sense of scale and awe is what disappointed many of us fans most. That lack of scale and awe can be attributed to many factors: Script, production design, budget, directing etc.

As an origin story, and a story that needs to show a guy who can stretch, a guy made out of rock and a bad guy wearing a skirt to an audience that is generally unfamiliar with the characters - I think the filmakers (rightly or wrongly) took a somewhat conservative approach and went with a story that would be more believable rather than spectacular (as evidence, I would point to the lack of brow on the Thing because the filmakers thought that would be too "cartoony").

Hopefully they won't feel as constrained in the second film, and the whole idea of getting these characters closer to the ultimate Marvel universe heroes that they are has me (as I posted yesterday or the day before) cautiously putting a foot on the Galactus bandwagon.

[Mr Sensitive]

The latest about rumored FF2 screenwriter Donald Payne, interviewed at Cinematical (http://www.cinematical.com/2006/05/10/cinematical-interview-with-super-ex-girlfriend-scribe-don-payne) .



Keeping my fingers crossed for a much more balanced script. The Spider-Man and Harry Potter franchises have shown that you can have an intelligent script aimed at an all ages audience without dumbing things down.

Ditto, and thanks, IM!

It really seems Payne knows what he is talking about. If that's true, I'd say: finally, and you, Payne, are most welcome.

Maybe if he's in, we can hope for some real improvement even in spite of Story.

[Kelly]

I would say that the editing is a big part of what made the story generally seem uncohesive and disappointed many critics and general movie-goers.

I think the lack of a sense of scale and awe is what disappointed many of us fans most. That lack of scale and awe can be attributed to many factors: Script, production design, budget, directing etc.

As an origin story, and a story that needs to show a guy who can stretch, a guy made out of rock and a bad guy wearing a skirt to an audience that is generally unfamiliar with the characters - I think the filmakers (rightly or wrongly) took a somewhat conservative approach and went with a story that would be more believable rather than spectacular (as evidence, I would point to the lack of brow on the Thing because the filmakers thought that would be too "cartoony").

Hopefully they won't feel as constrained in the second film, and the whole idea of getting these characters closer to the ultimate Marvel universe heroes that they are has me (as I posted yesterday or the day before) cautiously putting a foot on the Galactus bandwagon.

After reading the novelization I felt Davis' view of the script was excellent...so to me the script wasn't all that bad...it wasn't great...I think they could have pulled much, much more from the first script....but it was much better than what we got of it on screen...

[GoblinScrier]

If the Surfer is in the movie, then I think it needs to be just him, and not Galactus..until the 3rd movie. That way, we can still have a good balance of the team, Doom's Latverian ascension, Doom capturing the Surfer and absorbing his powers, which leads to the end of the movie, Galactus approaching the Earth, as Doom reigns supreme until movie 3, where Galactus arrives, Doom is defeated, Surfer turns against his master, and we have the birth of Franklin in the process.

[MOIDANGEREUX]

Silver Surfer fighting the four?
Source: Variety
Date: 10th May, 2006
Posted by: Anthony Langlois

http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/article/10050602.php

Rumours had people scuffing a few months ago, when a strange casting call appeared online requesting actors to play Galactus and Silver Surfer for the ‘Fantastic Four’ sequel. Most people dismissed it then, but seems the rumour wasn’t that far fetched.

Variety says 20th Century Fox and Marvel are just about ready to select one of two scripts that were created simultaneously, not unlike “X-Men 2”, one of which contains the Surfer. That one would be from the hand of Don Payne (My Super Ex-Girlfriend), while the other from the original’s scribe Mark Frost.

The Silver Surfer has been a proposed character for his own feature film for a while at Fox, but pricey production keeps that one in check. FF2, whichever scripts it uses, can be expected in theatres for July ’07.

[Kelly]

If the Surfer is in the movie, then I think it needs to be just him, and not Galactus..until the 3rd movie. That way, we can still have a good balance of the team, Doom's Latverian ascension, Doom capturing the Surfer and absorbing his powers, which leads to the end of the movie, Galactus approaching the Earth, as Doom reigns supreme until movie 3, where Galactus arrives, Doom is defeated, Surfer turns against his master, and we have the birth of Franklin in the process.

Agreed...but I don't want Doom's Latverian history to take up even 1/10 of the movie...

[Wilhelm-Scream]

heh, I don't think the average movie-going person is going to have many good things to say about a silver guy (aesthetically a "rip-off" of T-2, I'd wager they'll think) who surfs...on a SURFBOARD...in space. lol

Who knows, they don't seem to have too huge a problem with totally changing stuff from the comics, maybe they'll give SS a super Mountain Dew X-TREME sports angle like Johnny had.

Maybe the Silver Rollerblader? or the Turbo Silver Jet-Skier?

:confused:

[Iron Maiden]

How about one of those Segue things (did i spell that right?). I have seen them around Chicago. Maybe it could shoot off sparks.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

SWEET!
The Silver Segwayer!


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/SS.jpg

(they intentionally mispell it for the brand name).

[Dynasty]

Who knows, they don't seem to have too huge a problem with totally changing stuff from the comics, maybe they'll give SS a super Mountain Dew X-TREME sports angle like Johnny had.

Maybe the Silver Rollerblader? or the Turbo Silver Jet-Skier?

:confused:


no not funny.... let me check... nope definetly not funny.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Not trying to be funny, trying to express smack about the idiots in charge of making the film.
but then I did want to see SS on a Segway, sue me.:o

[CaptainStacy]

(as evidence, I would point to the lack of brow on the Thing because the filmakers thought that would be too "cartoony").

I thought they said the lack of brow was to ensure that the audience would be able to see Chiklis' eyes when he was emoting....?

[Willie Lumpkin]

I thought they said the lack of brow was to ensure that the audience would be able to see Chiklis' eyes when he was emoting....?

I've seen that from people on here, but never heard it as an official statement from anyone on the film (though I could have missed or forgotten it), but Tim S. clearly stated that they looked at a number of designs and the ones with larger brows looked too "cartoony".

I'll see if I can find the quote. I think it was in a magazine interview.

[Kelly]

I've seen that from people on here, but never heard it as an official statement from anyone on the film (though I could have missed or forgotten it), but Tim S. clearly stated that they looked at a number of designs and the ones with larger brows looked too "cartoony".

I'll see if I can find the quote. I think it was in a magazine interview.


Do they talk about that when they are talking with the guy that designed it on the 2 disc DVD (Wal-mart)

[Iron Maiden]

Not trying to be funny, trying to express smack about the idiots in charge of making the film.
but then I did want to see SS on a Segway, sue me.:o

Me too.... thanks for that manip!

I just hope people don't think the Surfer is a rip off of the T-2000 from Terminator 2.

[Willie Lumpkin]

Do they talk about that when they are talking with the guy that designed it on the 2 disc DVD (Wal-mart)

I don't remember that part, but now that you mention the DVD, I'm pretty sure Michael C. also says they made the brow smaller because they didn't want it to look too "cartoony" in the DVD commentary.

[Carp Man]

I'm back. I have returned, to take you all down the path of destruction. http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/kane/destruction/ (http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/kane/destruction/). For those who admire my never surrender attitude, I say bravo. For my detractors, or those who don't care for my opinions, or my feistiness, may a heard of sick dromedaries squat in your hot tub, and further, as you slide down the wodden pole of life, may all the splinters be facing up. And for those waiting for an apology, well.......... keep waiting. Now that I've made my opening statement, let's start down the road of destruction, because Fox is taking the sequel down that road, in my un humble, biased opinion. So let's all go down there with them.

Who the hell is Don Payne, and what has he ever written ? The Simpson's ? Big whoppie. That's what we need, a TV writer who writes a 20 minute cartoon. He hasn't written a dame story for a movie. Might as well get a monkey to write it. Fox strikes again. Makes my stomach turn. Since The Simpson's is a Fox product, I guess Payne has a picture in his pocket of a Fox executive. Don Payne writing FF 2 ? I nearly craped my pants when I read that.

If Fox is so hell bent on putting SS in the sequel, here is how I would do it.

First : At the end of FF2, about a minute from the closing credits as the FF are celebrating their victory, we pan to the galaxy, and see the SS flying thru the galaxy on his surfboard. The end. No explanation of who he is, or what his purpose is. Then they shoot a scene, with The Watcher warning the FF, that Galactius is coming. Save that scene.

Second : In the year 2008, bring out a Galactius, SS movie. Explain who Galactius is, explain who the SS is, and have Galactius destroy a few planets, as only he can. They at the end, have him heading towards earth, and New York. Then put in that scene where the watcher is warning of Galactus coming to the FF.

Third : In 2010, or 2011, start FF 3 at the point where the SS movie ends, with The Watcher warning of his coming. That's the way I would do it.

The FF need to be further developed. Dr. Doom needs to be given due credit, and if you interject SS into the entire FF 2 movie, all that will be lost. And Since I'm not the sharpest peanut in the turd, if I can figure this out, I'm sure the meathead's down at Fox can also. Although I may be giving them too much credit here.

Anyway, I'm still optimistic, but this news has dampened it quite a bit, if this report is true. It depends on how they introduce the SS, and or Galactius. And for heavens sake, take Don Payne, and deep six his script.

[Kelly]

I'm back. I have returned, to take you all down the path of destruction. http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/kane/destruction/ (http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/kane/destruction/). For those who admire my never surrender attitude, I say bravo. For my detractors, or those who don't care for my opinions, or my feistiness, may a heard of sick dromedaries squat in your hot tub, and further, as you slide down the wodden pole of life, may all the splinters be facing up. And for those waiting for an apology, well.......... keep waiting. Now that I've made my opening statement, let's start down the road of destruction, because Fox is taking the sequel down that road, in my un humble, biased opinion. So let's all go down there with them.

Who the hell is Don Payne, and what has he ever written ? The Simpson's ? Big whoppie. That's what we need, a TV writer who writes a 20 minute cartoon. He hasn't written a dame story for a movie. Might as well get a monkey to write it. Fox strikes again. Makes my stomach turn. Since The Simpson's is a Fox product, I guess Payne has a picture in his pocket of a Fox executive. Don Payne writing FF 2 ? I nearly craped my pants when I read that.

If Fox is so hell bent on putting SS in the sequel, here is how I would do it.

First : At the end of FF2, about a minute from the closing credits as the FF are celebrating their victory, we pan to the galaxy, and see the SS flying thru the galaxy on his surfboard. The end. No explanation of who he is, or what his purpose is. Then they shoot a scene, with The Watcher warning the FF, that Galactius is coming. Save that scene.

Second : In the year 2008, bring out a Galactius, SS movie. Explain who Galactius is, explain who the SS is, and have Galactius destroy a few planets, as only he can. They at the end, have him heading towards earth, and New York. Then put in that scene where the watcher is warning of Galactus coming to the FF.

Third : In 2010, or 2011, start FF 3 at the point where the SS movie ends, with The Watcher warning of his coming. That's the way I would do it.

The FF need to be further developed. Dr. Doom needs to be given due credit, and if you interject SS into the entire FF 2 movie, all that will be lost. And Since I'm not the sharpest peanut in the turd, if I can figure this out, I'm sure the meathead's down at Fox can also. Although I may be giving them too much credit here.

Anyway, I'm still optimistic, but this news has dampened it quite a bit, if this report is true. It depends on how they introduce the SS, and or Galactius. And for heavens sake, take Don Payne, and deep six his script.

Ummm....
Frost is a writer from TV. Simpson's is an award winning series, that is actually used in some Psychology classes because of its blend of science and pop culture...actual topics within this series have been Pavlovian conditioning, gambling addiction, family therapy along with many others. So to speak of him as "just a TV writer" is alittle presumptious at this point. Much the same way people spoke of Story as "just a director of comedy" I believe you like Story, correct? and Frost as well? Its the editting you had the problem with...right? So to you then, Frost is not just a writer from TV, and Story a comedy director. So for us to condemn him on the points of TV, comedy etc...well seems to me thats the same thing others did to Frost and Story...IMO

[Carp Man]

Ummm....
Frost is a writer from TV. Simpson's is an award winning series, that is actually used in some Psychology classes because of its blend of science and pop culture...actual topics within this series have been Pavlovian conditioning, gambling addiction, family therapy along with many others. So to speak of him as "just a TV writer" is alittle presumptious at this point. Much the same way people spoke of Story as "just a director of comedy" I believe you like Story, correct? and Frost as well? Its the editting you had the problem with...right? So to you then, Frost is not just a writer from TV, and Story a comedy director.

Writing a story for a 20 minute cartoon, and writing a 2 hour major motion picture are 2 different things. Story was bought on for his charactor development skills. They knew he had no action film experience. I feel he did an excelent job with what he was given. Frost on the other hand I give him a pass on the 1st movie, so many hands we're in that script. Frost has written for movies, and has expierence. I say at this point, giving the movie over to an umproven tv writter is very, very, suspect, and what are Fox's motives. And yes I blame the editing department for what we saw. They cut much of the heart of the film.

[Kelly]

Writing a story for a 20 minute cartoon, and writing a 2 hour major motion picture are 2 different things. Story was bought on for his charactor development skills. They knew he had no action film experience. I feel he did an excelent job with what he was given. Frost on the other hand I give him a pass on the 1st movie, so many hands we're in that script. Frost has written for movies, and has expierence. I say at this point, giving the movie over to an umproven tv writter is very, very, suspect, and what are Fox's motives. And yes I blame the editing department for what we saw. They cut much of the heart of the film.

Yeah I'm sure they say that about Joss Whedon as well....:)

[Carp Man]

Yeah I'm sure they say that about Joss Whedon as well....:)

Everyone has to be given a chance, but not here, not the FF. Let him go do a couple of movies and see what he does. Then if and when he proves himself there as Frost has, then ok.

[Kelly]

Everyone has to be given a chance, but not here, not the FF. Let him go do a couple of movies and see what he does. Then if and when he proves himself there as Frost has, then ok.


Ooooh and Simon Kinberg as well....he started out as a TV writer too...:)

Wow, so out of the first bunch of writers, seems only France holds up to this scrutiny....hmmmm....

[Carp Man]

Ooooh and Simon Kinberg as well....he started out as a TV writer too...:)

Wow, so out of the first bunch of writers, seems only France holds up to this scrutiny....hmmmm....

If they decide to go with Paynes story, then it's could be a decision that bites them in the rear. Bad idea. He must have a blackmail picture somewhere, or Fox is just out of their minds, and really don't give a dame about the franchise.

[Hunter Rider]

Oh god:(

[Kelly]

If they decide to go with Paynes story, then it's could be a decision that bites them in the rear. Bad idea. He must have a blackmail picture somewhere, or Fox is just out of their minds, and really don't give a dame about the franchise.

yeah...ok...sure

[Willie Lumpkin]

The thing is . . . the people who are actually making the decision are making it based on two actual scripts they have in front of them . . . not resume's or preconceptions. . . or the opinions of internet blow-hards.

[Hunter Rider]

yeah...ok...sure

Are Fox adapting Dame for a kill ?:confused:

[Kelly]

Are Fox adapting Dame for a kill ?:confused:

LMAO....be nice....

[Hunter Rider]

LMAO....be nice....
Sorry:O I shouldn't go fishinghttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Kelly]

The thing is . . . the people who are actually making the decision are making it based on two actual scripts they have in front of them . . . not resume's or preconceptions. . . or the opinions of internet blow-hards.


*GASPS*Did you just call me a blow-hard????????


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I prefer Bloviator, thank you very much!.....



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[Willie Lumpkin]

*GASPS*Did you just call me a blow-hard????????


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I prefer Bloviator, thank you very much!.....



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Not specifically . . . though I'm sure all of us have been guilty of that at one time or another on here:o . . . but some of us clearly blow harder and more often than others.;)

[Kelly]

Not specifically . . . though I'm sure all of us have been guilty of that at one time or another on here:o . . . but some of us clearly blow harder and more often than others.;)

From now on you may greet me as "The Bloviator".... http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_4_125.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm006DTUS)

[Hunter Rider]

From now on you may greet me as "The Bloviator".... http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_4_125.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm006DTUS)

Sequel villain ?:eek:

[Kelly]

Sequel villain ?:eek:


Damn straight....:o

[The Geek Vault]

I was thinking Silver Surfur is supposed to be a being of energy. So do you think they should make him a solid object? or just look like a bright silver light in a human shape?

[Hunter Rider]

Damn straight....:o

Doomites vs the bloviator *Hype trembles*:eek:

[Kelly]

Doomites vs the bloviator *Hype trembles*:eek:

I'm trembling too, that damn power saw is heavy......:(

[Hunter Rider]

I'm trembling too, that damn power saw is heavy......:(

As a Supervillain you should have minions to carry your Saw:up:

[Kelly]

I was thinking Silver Surfur is supposed to be a being of energy. So do you think they should make him a solid object? or just look like a bright silver light in a human shape?

They better make him as he is in the comics...or all hell is gonna break loose around here....:o

[The Geek Vault]

Yeah thats what he was in the comics, a being of energy. notice he never ate anything or wore clothes or went to the bathroom. Thats cause he was a being of energy.

[Kelly]

Yeah thats what he was in the comics, a being of energy. notice he never ate anything or wore clothes or went to the bathroom. Thats cause he was a being of energy.

Don't necessarily mean "what he was"....but more "what he looks like" but of course...you can't please everyone.....some like different artists view, but whatever happens....controversy is on the way....:o

[Carp Man]

Not specifically . . . though I'm sure all of us have been guilty of that at one time or another on here:o . . . but some of us clearly blow harder and more often than others.;)

I take that as a compliment. :)

[Carp Man]

Oh god:(

I'm back. Did you miss me ?

[Hunter Rider]

I'm back. Did you miss me ?
Not really:p

[Carp Man]

Not really:p

Time to bring some enlightment, and sanity back to this board.:)

[Hunter Rider]

Time to bring some enlightment, and sanity back to this board.:)
hahhaahaahttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Kelly]

My love for Talipia grows by the minute....



As long as the 4 remain the 4 and the focus of the movie, bring on any villain....

[MJB]

Cgi and live actor mixed.

[gerbstat]

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[Hunter Rider]

It seems the SS is heading to the screens in F4/2,so how do you think they should do it ?
Personally i like the idea of Motion capture,it looked great in movies like Kong and really brough the charatcer to life and with WETA possibly on board the sequel it would be a good match

[Kelly]

Could you explain what the hell your poll means......

I feel a need for a CGI for dummies book.....lol

[Hunter Rider]

Could you explain what the hell your poll means......

I feel a need for a CGI for dummies book.....lol
It doesn't matter now the poll has been nuked:eek:

[Kelly]

Oooops.......

[gerbstat]

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[Malus]

Hmm...does anyone else think that there will be comparisons drawn between the Surfer and that snow/frostyboy boarding character in the Incredibles?

And that irritating posts of fan claims that the Surfer is a rip-off from the Incredibles will not be far behind?

Maybe from a few dimwits that don't know their pop culture history. And they'll be dispatched easily and quickly by the knowledgeable fans here, sent yelping home with their incred-tails between their elasti-legs.

Besides, Frozone was a rip-off of Ice-Man.

[Carp Man]

Hmm...does anyone else think that there will be comparisons drawn between the Surfer and that snow/frostyboy boarding character in the Incredibles?

And that irritating posts of fan claims that the Surfer is a rip-off from the Incredibles will not be far behind?

They said the same thing about the 1st movie. People will think it is a rip off of The Incredables. Didn't happen. Just a litle side note here, X-Men made $ 44.1 million opening day. And highest opening day all time behind ROTS. $ 13 million more then the X2 opening day. FF 27th alltime opening day.

[Spider - Man]

http://imdb.com/name/nm0315143/photogallery

His name's Zen Gesner. You can see him as a detective in the bar on Dumb&Dumber. I think he looks just like a Kirby character in that scene! He also used to play Sinbad(I think) on tv.
Check him out!

[Kelly]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224517

[Hunter Rider]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/x-mennews.php?id=4316

Bruno Confirms McKellen in Magneto

Source: Antony
May 31, 2006


'Antony' tells us he got to chat with X-Men (http://www.superherohype.com/news/x-mennews.php?id=4316#): The Last Stand visual effects supervisor John Bruno about both Magneto and Fantastic Four (http://www.superherohype.com/news/x-mennews.php?id=4316#) 2:

I didn't know if you were interested but I can confirm that Ian McKellen (http://www.superherohype.com/news/x-mennews.php?id=4316#) will be playing Magneto in the prequel. I was told this by John Bruno at a screening of X3. The company who worked on X3 to deage them is also going to be doing the Mags prequel. According to John, Ian is really excited.

I was lucky enough to spend nearly 2 hrs alone with him asking all sorts of stuff... by the way Silver Surfer is also in FF2.

[Spider - Man]

Well, Reeves is another person I always thought looked like a Kirby drawing! He's be great, has the build and everything. If only he doesn't have to talk a lot!

[Malus]

I don't know what Keanu Reeves is getting per picture these days, but it's probably more than they'd be willing to pay since what he'd bring to the movie's total box office is probably questionable for a picture of this kind.
Unless he really does dominate the film.

I won't be surprised if he nabs it - if he's a fan, and if he takes a pay cut.
But if they're willing to pay his regular asking price, then I'd be surprised. (Not that we'd ever even know, necessarily)

It's still kinda hard to believe they're actually doing the Surfer, but I guess there's no question now.