Neon Genesis Evangelion Mega Thread

[Arkady Rossovich]

No doubt one of the greatest anime`s that was ever produced.When Eva first came out,it did raise alot of eye brows for some of the content that it had.It also brought Christanity into the Japan mainstream.Even after 10 years,people still talk about Eva.

Weather in the USA or in Japan,Eva will never be forgotten and will always be one of the anime`s that represent Japan.

Put everything that relates to Eva here,questions,comments,discussions,theories,etc.

[Elijya]

whenever I feel that I'm too mentally stable and sane, I pop in End of Evengelion

[Tamanon]

Eva is good for when I want to feel less like a whiny little beyatch. Shinji had that DOWN!

[My vengeance]

whenever I feel that I'm too mentally stable and sane, I pop in End of Evengelion
Same here.As a matter of fact,I'm going to go watch it right now.

[Nathan]

Anyone else had the urge to slap Shinji when he started to wuss out after his Eva got neat wings?

[My vengeance]

Anyone else had the urge to slap Shinji when he started to wuss out after his Eva got neat wings?
Here,here.You expect God to be more mature than that.:o

[Venom160]

I was wondering if any fellow Eva fans could help me out, iv decided to buy the series on dvd but I don't know which set to buy. Which set to you guys think I should get, the Perfect collection or the Platenum collection?

[Tsunulia]

I was wondering if any fellow Eva fans could help me out, iv decided to buy the series on dvd but I don't know which set to buy. Which set to you guys think I should get, the Perfect collection or the Platenum collection?

Get both........and then buy all the copies of End of Eva that you can find.

[Venom160]

lol trust me if I had the $$ I would.

[Mandi-chan]

I liked this anime and thought it was okay, but don't get why it's so gushed over. I honestly didn't see what the big deal was about it...

[Elijya]

not trying to offend, but let me ask you this: did you get what the big deal was about Citizen Kane?

[Mandi-chan]

not trying to offend, but let me ask you this: did you get what the big deal was about Citizen Kane?

I don't know if this was directed at me or not, if it was then here's my answer:...huh? Who/what's Citizen Kane?

I'm not saying it (Eva) was bad; it was wonderfully animated and had an interesting story. I just didn't really see what all the hype was about. I watched the whole thing ,movies included, and have no desire to sit through it again.

[Elijya]

I don't know if this was directed at me or not, if it was then here's my answer:...huh? Who/what's Citizen Kane?

it was directed at you, and that about answers my question....

[Mandi-chan]

Okay.

I'm serious though. What is Citizen Kane? I've never heard of it, and since you brought it up now I want to know!:p

[Elijya]

ok, lemme give you some context: Ever hear of the AFI, American Film Institute? Well a couple of years ago, they did a list naming the 100 greatest films of all time
http://www.afi.com/tvevents/100years/movies.aspx

[Mandi-chan]

So that's where the quote "Rosebud" comes from!

Anyway, I went to IMDB for it, sounds interesting. I'll have to rent this one.
Thanks!:)

[WallCrawl]

Here's a link to anyone who's looking for a little help breaking down NGE:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature.php?id=14

[Elijya]

So that's where the quote "Rosebud" comes from!

Anyway, I went to IMDB for it, sounds interesting. I'll have to rent this one.
Thanks!:)
alright. Lemme know how you like it.

[Arkady Rossovich]

I was wondering if any fellow Eva fans could help me out, iv decided to buy the series on dvd but I don't know which set to buy. Which set to you guys think I should get, the Perfect collection or the Platenum collection?

You would be advised to get the Plantium Box set,because that has everything uncut.While with other sets,some things would be changed like curses,nudity or violence.

Another option would to have gotten the Eva on VHS,most did,but they no longer sell Eva in that format.Eva on VHS was also absolutely uncut,from when it was first translated.

I hear there are some bonus features with the Plat Eva as well.

[WallCrawl]

I hear there are some bonus features with the Plat Eva as well.

Apparently there's quite a few.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/reviews/display.php?id=639

[My vengeance]

Apparently there's quite a few.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/reviews/display.php?id=639

*sigh*

It's a shame it will never be released in my country,a fate that most anime DVD releases will suffer.:(

[WallCrawl]

*sigh*

It's a shame it will never be released in my country,a fate that most anime DVD releases will suffer.:(

So move. ;)

[My vengeance]

So move. ;)
Yeah,I can't wait to finish high school,then college,and travel to the US of A for the sole purpose of watching anime with high quality image and sound.:o :up:

I'm depressed,I think I'm going to load End of Eva while I do my homework,it inspires me.

[Elijya]

vengeance, what country?

[My vengeance]

vengeance, what country?
Romînia

[Venom160]

You would be advised to get the Plantium Box set,because that has everything uncut.While with other sets,some things would be changed like curses,nudity or violence.

Another option would to have gotten the Eva on VHS,most did,but they no longer sell Eva in that format.Eva on VHS was also absolutely uncut,from when it was first translated.

I hear there are some bonus features with the Plat Eva as well.ok platinum edition it is, thanks for help Jourmugand.:up:

[Timstuff]

Evangelion was one of the first Anime series that I really watched a lot of. I remember it all started when my older brother came home with this huge paper bag full of Anime tapes that he borrowed from a friend, and then Evangelion was one of the first ones he showed me.

I thought that the first half was good, but then it became pretty apparent that they were running out of money in later episodes. We actually never watched the final several episodes because his friend didn't have them, which may have been a good thing since I don't think my developing adolescant head would have been able to wrap around around a concept as bizzare as "instrumentality".

Currently the re-runs on Cartoon Network are up to about where I stopped watching, but I think it would be better if I just bought the Platinum DVD set and watched it from start to finish, and then try to hunt down a copy of "End of Evangellion". I've heard that none of the endings (the show and the two movies) are extremely ceherant or satasfying, but I'm told that EoE at least gives you some form of closure, even if it's somewhat ambiguous.

Overall, it was a decent show, even if it's rather flawed and falls off the deep end towards the end. I'm also looking forward to the live action movie that's being planned, even if it's probably not gonna be out for a pretty good while.

[Arkady Rossovich]

The End Of Evangelion was done because when fans first saw the end of the series,they were shocked..and actually angry at the "happy" or plain ending.EoE was done to re-tell the last few episodes of the anime.

If you interested in buying EoE,its a fair warning that the english version is censored no matter what you do.One scene which was censored no matter what was when Eva Unit 01 ate Gendo Ikari.In the english version the Eva has him in his hand,then bites him.The scene then stops..

in the japanese version,the Eva actually bites Gendo and eats him.Blood spurts out,since Gendo is bitten in half.There is no way to get this scene uncut in a english version.

[Tsunulia]

The End Of Evangelion was done because when fans first saw the end of the series,they were shocked..and actually angry at the "happy" or plain ending.EoE was done to re-tell the last few episodes of the anime.

If you interested in buying EoE,its a fair warning that the english version is censored no matter what you do.One scene which was censored no matter what was when Eva Unit 01 ate Gendo Ikari.In the english version the Eva has him in his hand,then bites him.The scene then stops..

in the japanese version,the Eva actually bites Gendo and eats him.Blood spurts out,since Gendo is bitten in half.There is no way to get this scene uncut in a english version.

My brain was so fried that I don't even remember that part 0.0

[MaskedManJRK]

I've been trying to find some of the anime before I see End, which is really high on my "to-see" list (because I really love movies that f**k with my head :)).

[Tsunulia]

I've been trying to find some of the anime before I see End, which is really high on my "to-see" list (because I really love movies that f**k with my head :)).

Then End of Eva will definitely not dissapoint you

[Timstuff]

I've been trying to find some of the anime before I see End, which is really high on my "to-see" list (because I really love movies that f**k with my head :)).

$46 for the whole series, digitally remastered with the "director's cut" optional on certain episodes. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000767QTA/qid=1143778327/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-7559358-2963338?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130)

I'm probably gonna end up getting it eventually. ^_^

[MaskedManJRK]

$46 for the whole series, digitally remastered with the "director's cut" optional on certain episodes. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000767QTA/qid=1143778327/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-7559358-2963338?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130)

I'm probably gonna end up getting it eventually. ^_^

Unfortunately, I'm on a miniscule spending budget at this point (class ring + tux for prom = big $), but the comic shop I go to has anime movies to rent and it inculdes the whole Perfect collection of Neon, so I'm going that route. :)

[TheVileOne]

EVA isn't really worth owning in any version. Mainly for the ending.

I mean ****...what a ****ed up show.

ADV wants to turn this into a movie franchise. NO American audience will go for that ending. It would be a debacle.

[mystic gohan]

after hearing so much about this i decided go check it out and after one episode i think im hooked its great and i usualy dont like anime unless its the dubs too

[November Rain]

Chuck norris is the only official person to get the ending of eva...

heck i'm not surprised, he wrote the first draft and was asked to dumb it down for the released version.

[Timstuff]

ADV wants to turn this into a movie franchise. NO American audience will go for that ending. It would be a debacle.

Yeah, I am actually rather curious as to how they will adapt the ending to a movie without alienating the audience. I've actually put a bit of thought into it though...

Spoiler-ish

I think that no matter what, instrumentality is going to have to be streamlined and/or watered down slightly so the audience has a slightly easier time grasping the concept. Even then, the idea of melting humanity into a primodial soup so their collective souls form a single conciouseness, and then somehow the process get's stopped and reversed is going to confuse many people, and some people will un doubtedly say "I wanted to see it end with a big fight/action scene, not a metaphysical psycho trip!"

Keeping instrumentality in the movies is obviousely a necessity, however it's possible that the producers/writers will take a rout that's sure to be much less popular with hardcore Eva fans, and "re-interperate" just what exactly it is. Rather than have instrumentality be an artificial metaphysical/spiritual evolution, it might be an attempt to make humanity literally evolve artificially, by creating a hostile world in which only the strong can survive. I personally do NOT like this idea very much, because it's much less interesting (like something you could see in a James Bond movie), and doesn't leave much room for interesting post-movie conversation.

My personal hope is that they keep the idea behind instrumentality more or less the same as in the Anime, but they're going to have to simplify it for average audienes to understand it. There's obviousely way to do it, and people are still going to leave the theater saying "Wow, that was effed up!", but I think what will really detirmine wether or not they'll leave the theater satasfied will be is if they offer more closure to the characters than the Anime did.

Americans typically haven't been extremely fond of wide-open endings. They want an epilogue, or a speech, or something to imply that things are getting better after all the turmoil they've just sat through. But can they do that without alienating the fans who claim that the open ending was one of the Anime's greatest achievements? Heck if I know, but they're not the ones the studio will be worried about up-and-leaving before the curtains close.

[Caliber]

I love the show. I hve the first five episode but I need the rest. I love how it is and it just makes me think. I love the characters on the show. I feel bad for Shinje(I hope thats how it spelled.)

[WallCrawl]

I love the show. I hve the first five episode but I need the rest. I love how it is and it just makes me think. I love the characters on the show. I feel bad for Shinje(I hope thats how it spelled.)

Shinji.

[Killgore]

Unfortunately, I'm on a miniscule spending budget at this point (class ring + tux for prom = big $), but the comic shop I go to has anime movies to rent and it inculdes the whole Perfect collection of Neon, so I'm going that route. :)
Easy solution. Don't buy a class ring. It's a waste of money. You'll still be watching the anime in five years whereas you'll have pawned off the ring shortly after graduation.

[Timstuff]

Yeah, class rings are overrated. My brother bought one and he wore it like, once, and now it's in a drawer somewhere. DVDs are a much better investment IMO. ^_^

[Elijya]

they would never go with the actual anime ending

if they do make a movie, they would HAVE to completely bastardize the plot. It could still be cool, but if you're a purist, you'll hate whatever they do

[Timstuff]

*spoilerish for people who don't know the ending!*

The ending will obviousely be different in the live action movie, because otherwise they're going to loose the audience. I think they might be able to suspend their disbelief enough to accept the world's population start to get turned into gatorade and Shinji stopping it, and the people returning to their physical forms. But if they go any farther than that, including having Shinji temporarily aquire god-like powers, people are going to get up and leave.

So basically, I think that instrumentality needs to stay in the movie, because it's an essential plotpoint. But how it's depicted is going to have to be "dumbed down", for the sake of the audience, and because it was so effed up in the Anime.

[Elijya]

the ending won't be ANYTHING like the anime. The anime took 26 episodes to get to the ending, the movie has 2 hours, TOPS, and they aren't going to rush all the way to End of Evengelion. It will be completely different.

They probably won't even go into Instrumentality. Maybe there'll be some hints of it, for a potential sequel, but the movie will more likely just be a battle with one or two angels

[Venom160]

you guys should check out this site, It says that the first movie is going to be based on the first six episodes of the series.

http://eva.trivialbeing.net/

[Elijya]

afaik, developement is in its baby stages, so I would take anything you hear as rumor and theory

[Timstuff]

They're not going to cram the whole series into one movie. I read in numerous places that they're planning on leaving the door open for sequels, potentially resulting in a trilogy. The first movie will be the first "chunk" of the story, which introduces us to the characters and world.

I doubt that they'd go so far as to change the plot to "The Angels are aliens, and the climax is Shinji blowing up the queen Angel". That wouldn't even remotely resemble the Anime. I'm perfectly open to them changing the ending to it more simple and satasfying, but if they're going to fundamentally change what it's about then that's just plain stupid.

They definately need to make it be something more straightforward, but not to the point where there's nothing left of the original. The whole reason why things are the way they are in the show is because SEELE is playing god and messing with things they were never meant to, and if you get rid of that then all you have is a straight up Kaaju story.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Movie?Evangelion in live action?I heard about that months ago,i heard it was all a rumor.Do you know how bad a movie can be done on Eva?Im not buying it.

Speaking of that...who shot Kaji,and what did Gendou say to Ritsuko before he shot her?There are alot of theories...

[Timstuff]

Movie?Evangelion in live action?I heard about that months ago,i heard it was all a rumor.Do you know how bad a movie can be done on Eva?Im not buying it.

Oh it's real all right, and the people behind it are extremely enthusiastic. It's probably not going to get underway for another year or so (and that's being almost blindly optimistic), but the people at Gainax, ADV, and Weta are really pushing the project hard. Wether or not it will be good is a somewhat iffy subject, but hopefully they'll get it right.

[Venom160]

found some concept art for the movie.

Cockpit for unit 00.

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/genesisthroneofsoul.jpg

Berserk Unit 00

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/dvdconceptart-00berserk.jpg

Nerv HQ

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/dvdconcept-control03.jpg

Rameil (I hope thats how its spelled)

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/dvdconcept-cube.jpg

[Venom160]

Eva hanger.

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/dvdconcept-hangar02.jpg

Injured Unit 00

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/dvdconcept-unit00injured.jpg

Unit 00

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/dvdconcept-unit00profile.jpg

Unit 01

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/dvdconcept-unit01profile2.jpg

Unit 02

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/dvdconcept-unit02profile.jpg

A new Angel?

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/newtypejp.jpg

[My vengeance]

found some concept art for the movie.

Cockpit for unit 00.

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/genesisthroneofsoul.jpg

Berserk Unit 00

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/dvdconceptart-00berserk.jpg

Nerv HQ

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/dvdconcept-control03.jpg

Rameil (I hope thats how its spelled)

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/dvdconcept-cube.jpg

Ramiel,but no matter.They look...accurate.They're not fake,are they?

[My vengeance]

A new Angel?

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/newtypejp.jpg
It might be Adam...Though I'm curious as to what does that protuberance between his legs represents.

[Timstuff]

Ramiel,but no matter.They look...accurate.They're not fake,are they?

No, they came from the platinum DVDs, accompanied by an interview with Richard Taylor from Weta.

[Elijya]

ooo, so they're official? this gives me some hope that at least they're trying to be accurate with the look

but I heard some persistent rumors that the kids were not going to be named Rei, Asuka, and Shinji, which was very dismaying

[My vengeance]

ooo, so they're official? this gives me some hope that at least they're trying to be accurate with the look

but I heard some persistent rumors that the kids were not going to be named Rei, Asuka, and Shinji, which was very dismaying
Really?Does that mean that they'll Americanise their identities,or just give them different names,for some reason?

[Elijya]

I suspect it might be to americanize them. They're certainly not going to be casting asian kids, I would think, cause they're not gonna to pour $100 million dollars plus into a film with three minority leads (minority, at least, in the country where the film would do the best business, the US) cause that's just the way things are. So they'll cast white kids, and white kids with asian names would be odd, I suppose.

but if they change ethnicity and names, will they even keep them as the same characters, I wonder? will the main boy be quioet and timid? will one girl be a ***** and the other creepy and mysterious? or will they give us new characters?

[Timstuff]

There are a number of ways it might go down. I think that Shinji will probably be cast as a white kid, but they will either leave his name the way it is and say he's Japanese, or they'll give him an americanised name. I'm not too fond of the latter prospect, but I can live with him being cast as a white actor. I think that Rei definately needs to be asian though (and thusly Yui Ikari, since Rei is designed after her). The bulk of the cast will likely be white people, with a few asians.

I think it's inevitable that some of the characters will be changed to caucasians though. In the show, the only caucasian character was Asuka, and in the US a big-budget blockbuster probably won't fly with an almost entirely asian cast. Plus, finding good asian actors who can speak english without an accent is very difficult.

[Venom160]

just found concept art for Rei and Asuka!

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/dvdconceptart-ray.jpg

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/dvdconcept-rayback.jpg

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/dvdconcept-katerose.jpg

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/dvdconcept-katerose2.jpg

This might be Misato but im not sure.

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/dvdconcept-misato.jpg

Does this look like Tokyo 3 to anyone else?

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/dvdconcept-newcity01.jpg

[Elijya]

they have names with the concept photos - Rei has become Ray, and Asuka has become Kate Rose. And the one that might be Misato looks like Susan Whitmall or something

these are early designs, so they're probably not set in stone as being the names

I'm in agreement that they should try to make Rei asian if they can

[Venom160]

if you look closely Rei does look asian in that pic. im going to look around and see if I can find bigger versions of the Rei and Asuka concept art.

[Venom160]

Here ya go.

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/res/asukaupper.jpg

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/res/reihigh.jpg

http://www.madcaps.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/evaimgtemp/res/whithall2.jpg

[Timstuff]

The guys from ADV and Weta said that those names were temporary, and that wether or not they change the names hasn't been decided yet. And yeah, Rei looks asian, so at least they're facing in the right direction for her.

If they really want her to be like Rei from the show, I think she should be an albino, as well.

[MaskedManJRK]

Woah, that looks cool. :eek:

[Arkady Rossovich]

I cant belive that a live action movie is going to be made.If that`s the case,who is playing Shinji,Yui and Gendo?

Eva is almost done on Cartoon Network,they cut out a important scene.One was when Shinji snapped and nearly choked Asuka to death.

[Venom160]

No casting info yet, a director hasent even been annouced.

[Timstuff]

I'm guessing that Shinji, Rei, and Asuka will probably be played by unknowns, since that's the popular trend with young ensambles. We won't know for sure until they at the very least get a director onboard.

[Tsunulia]

There is no way I'll ever be able to get used to it. When think Shinji, I think
http://img448.imageshack.us/img448/3224/evashinji0001ff.jpg

When I think Asuka
http://img448.imageshack.us/img448/5128/evaasuka0152pc.jpg

When I think Rei
http://img448.imageshack.us/img448/8642/evaayanami0198fc.jpg

When I think Misato
http://img448.imageshack.us/img448/3375/evamisato0007rd.png



This is what I think when they are mentioned. And the voices have their place with them. I luv the English dub for it. No one but Tiffany Grant can do Asuka right IMO. I can't get away from these character designs and I'll never be able to. To completely take away what we know and love and change it completely duzn't sound like a good idea to me. If they were to make another movie I really wish it would be animated.

[Elijya]

oh, don't be such a purist. An adaptation doesn't change what the original was in any way, shape, or form. It's a totally different experience

[Tsunulia]

oh, don't be such a purist. An adaptation doesn't change what the original was in any way, shape, or form. It's a totally different experience

*waggles bottom lip*.............................................. .......but I like the way it was done the first time. It's gonna take a lot to get me to like a live action.........................speshaly since a ton of live action things like this get so jacked up that's it not even funny :( If this happens they better get it right or I'll hunt them down and make them do right !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

[Timstuff]

Lord of the Rings as a movie was different from what I had always percieved when I read the books, but I love the movies. Change isn't always bad, that's what some people need to learn! There's plenty of room in my mindspace for both the live-action and Anime versions of Evangelion to co-exist, provided that the LA movie is good.

And unlike some of my friends, I do not confuse accuracy to small details with quality. As long as an adaptation is faithful to the spirit of the source material, I do not really care a lot about little changes.

[Tsunulia]

But LOTR didn't have a series before the movies were made...................they had cheap cartoons but not a full series.

[Timstuff]

If you're a purist, then obviousely you're never going to be satasfied no matter how good the movie turns out. Perhaps a better example would be comic books. There are some very good movies based on comic books, and they turned out great even though they changed things. So what if Bruce Wayne gets trained by Ra's Al Ghul, who happens to be a white guy instead of an arab? It gave us a good flowing story in a 2 hour timeslot, and Liam Neeson is an excellent actor. I could care less if that's not how the comic was, because it turned out great.

Movies are a different medium from comics and TV shows, which is why changes are necessary. Do you like movies that are down-to-the-wire accurate, or movies that are good? In the end, I think most people would prefer the latter.

[Tsunulia]

If you're a purist, then obviousely you're never going to be satasfied no matter how good the movie turns out. Perhaps a better example would be comic books. There are some very good movies based on comic books, and they turned out great even though they changed things. So what if Bruce Wayne gets trained by Ra's Al Ghul, who happens to be a white guy instead of an arab? It gave us a good flowing story in a 2 hour timeslot, and Liam Neeson is an excellent actor. I could care less if that's not how the comic was, because it turned out great.

Movies are a different medium from comics and TV shows, which is why changes are necessary. Do you like movies that are down-to-the-wire accurate, or movies that are good? In the end, I think most people would prefer the latter.

I'm not a purist by any means, but I would like for a great series to not be ruined. America has a way of slaughtering stuff like this. I'm not against the idea, but I would like for the characters to resemble what we know and love, and for the story to be along the lines of what it's sposd to be, AND FOR THE DANG THING TO LOOK DECENT AND FOR IT NOT TO BE TRASHED!!!!!......................calming down................

[Timstuff]

You probably don't need to worry too much about the story getting butched, although I highly expect that some of the more confusing aspects will be simplified for the sake of not loosing the audience. The people involved have said that they want very badly not to alienate fans, so hopefully it turns out good.

As for the characters "looking the way they're supposed to", I don't know what's going to happen there. Keep in mind that Evangelion is an Anime, so anyone they cast will be the film-makers' interperetations of what the character looks like, which may or may not be in tune with your own. I think it's important to be open minded though, or else you're going to get PO'd no matter who they cast.

[MaskedManJRK]

*waggles bottom lip*.............................................. .......but I like the way it was done the first time. It's gonna take a lot to get me to like a live action.........................speshaly since a ton of live action things like this get so jacked up that's it not even funny :( If this happens they better get it right or I'll hunt them down and make them do right !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

Hey, let me put it to ya this way:

V for Vendetta: You liked both the book and the movie, right? Well, I don't know about you, but I liked them both for different reasons.

If the people doing Eva are just as careful about the series as the guys that did V were about it's respective book, it will be just as good, just in different ways. :)

[Timstuff]

Yeah, that's what my opinion is, as well. The Evangelion movie, if it's good, will be complimentary to the Anime. It will be different, but still good, in a way that's a little different from the show. They're two different mediums, and that means they will be two different entities. Being different does not automatically mean it's not as good, it just means it's different. If you are going to dislike something just because it was a little different than the source material, then you are being a purist. And being a purist means being someone who's almost impossible to satasfy.

[Tsunulia]

I'm not a purist. I just don't want to see this project get screwed up.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Still...i once heard a Eva movie annoucement on another forum and it was proven to be a hoax.Is there any real proof that this,infact is going to be a real movie?I still have my doubts.

Eva is just about finished on Cartoon Network,1 episode left...

[Tsunulia]

Still...i once heard a Eva movie annoucement on another forum and it was proven to be a hoax.Is there any real proof that this,infact is going to be a real movie?I still have my doubts.

Eva is just about finished on Cartoon Network,1 episode left...

I haven't been able to keep up through all the schedule changes they do. When duz the last one come on?

[Timstuff]

We know that the movie is for real because Richard Taylor from Weta and Matt Greenfield from ADV won't shut up about it. :p

It's most certainly real. But where the doubt lies is wether or not it's going anywhere yet. Supposedly several A-list directors are interested, but the trio of ADV, Gainax, and Weta aren't saying who they are. Also, no studio is attached yet, and until one is, we probably aren't going to be hearing a lot of actual news about the project.

[MaskedManJRK]

I'm not a purist. I just don't want to see this project get screwed up.

I hear ya, I'm just guessing since you have V all over your profile, that you'd get where we're coming from.

[Elijya]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KjpYlRKLOw

[TheVileOne]

Ah that's cute. Another famous movie trailer audio track spliced with anime clips. This time Love Hina and Evangelion.

[My vengeance]

Normally voice-overs freak me out,but I admit the Dafoe/Gendo voice-over is probably one of the few that fit perfectly.

[Elijya]

hmm, wonder what Dafoe would look like with a chin-strap beard....

[Venom160]

Still...i once heard a Eva movie annoucement on another forum and it was proven to be a hoax.Is there any real proof that this,infact is going to be a real movie?I still have my doubts.

Eva is just about finished on Cartoon Network,1 episode left...http://www.wetaworkshop.co.nz/projects/filmography/film/neon_genesis

I don't think Weta's official web site would lie. :)

[TheVileOne]

Yep those are legit. But it looks like nothing has gone further than those pre-prod. sketches and a script treatment.

At least those sketches have the actual names and not the dummy names. I remember those dummy names scared a lot of fans.

[MaskedManJRK]

Finally got to see an episode a few hours ago...I had no f**king idea what was going on, but it was still cool. :D

[Timstuff]

I suggest you see if they have volume one of the Platinum collection at your local Blockbuster and rent it. Evangelion is one of the last series on earth I'd reccomend jumping into the middle of. :p

[MaskedManJRK]

I suggest you see if they have volume one of the Platinum collection at your local Blockbuster and rent it. Evangelion is one of the last series on earth I'd reccomend jumping into the middle of. :p

Yeah, all I could comprehend was that one of them was a genetic expiriment and the guy is a bit of a whiney b***h on wheels. :o

[MaskedManJRK]

'Kay, finally was able to get the first part of the Plantinum edition. 'Twas pretty good, so far, though I wouldn't mind punching Senji in the face when he gets in his whine mode.

By the way, I noticed the motherf**kin' Brodie--Jason Lee--is part of the English cast. Who does he play? Was he Senji's father or something?

[Elijya]

"Jason Lee" is a fairly common name, and as such, there are several credited actors with that name. The Jason Lee who provides a voice in NGE is not the Jason Lee from Kevin Smith and My Name is Earl fame, but somebody different

[MaskedManJRK]

"Jason Lee" is a fairly common name, and as such, there are several credited actors with that name. The Jason Lee who provides a voice in NGE is not the Jason Lee from Kevin Smith and My Name is Earl fame, but somebody different

Oh. Man, it would have rocked if Brodie was in it, and would have made NGE higher up in the badass catagory. :(

[Arkady Rossovich]

Well...Neon Genesis is over.Im hearing that some first time viewers are a bit let down by the ending.Now there is a new argument...do you think CN will show End Of Evangelion?

[Tsunulia]

Well...Neon Genesis is over.Im hearing that some first time viewers are a bit let down by the ending.Now there is a new argument...do you think CN will show End Of Evangelion?

not a chance, unless they edit it, then we'll only get about 15 minutes worth of it

[TheVileOne]

He's also married to Amanda Winn Lee, the English voice of Rei.

[MaskedManJRK]

Okay, got part II of the Plantinum series. Pretty good stuff.

Whoever said Shenji was a b***h obviously didn't remember the German chick. Damn, that girl needed to be slapped a few times.

[Timstuff]

It would be good if CN could somehow show EoE, but it will inevitably have to be edited. I'm not sure how they'd go about aquiring the rights though, since I think I heard that they're currently held by one of the cable movie channels. They'll obviousely have to air it at midnight with an MA rating. I suspect that a lot of the gore shots will be cut short, and Shinji's little jerk-off scene will be edited a lot, if they don't cut it out completely.

They need to get around to showing EoE eventually though, because otherwise they're going to leave a lot of first-time viewers feeling sour about the series. Even if they have to "clean it up", it's better than not showing it at all.

[MaskedManJRK]

It would be good if CN could somehow show EoE, but it will inevitably have to be edited. I'm not sure how they'd go about aquiring the rights though, since I think I heard that they're currently held by one of the cable movie channels. They'll obviousely have to air it at midnight with an MA rating. I suspect that a lot of the gore shots will be cut short, and Shinji's little jerk-off scene will be edited a lot, if they don't cut it out completely.

They need to get around to showing EoE eventually though, because otherwise they're going to leave a lot of first-time viewers feeling sour about the series. Even if they have to "clean it up", it's better than not showing it at all.

...Jerk-off scene? :o

[Elijya]

yeah, you almost don't realize what it is

[WallCrawl]

...Jerk-off scene? :o

Yes, there's a jerk-off scene. You don't see anything, except for the aftermath. The creepy part is that you lightly hear the fapping.

[TheVileOne]

I really doubt we will see end of evangelion.

And really, its not worth seeing.

[Elijya]

I disagree, I thought it was incredible. In fact, it's probably the anime DVD I own I've watched the most

[TheVileOne]

You have interesting tastes Elijya :) .

[My vengeance]

I'm feeling depressed.I'll probably watch EoE again later.

[Elijya]

You have interesting tastes Elijya :) .
alot of people are torn on EoE. I'm just on the side that liked it.

[MaskedManJRK]

Yeah, I'm going to see it after I finish the series.

I just hope the jerk-off scene isn't what makes it such a mindf**k. :o

[My vengeance]

Yeah, I'm going to see it after I finish the series.

I just hope the jerk-off scene isn't what makes it such a mindf**k. :o

Eh,just watch the movie,you'll understand.Too many pure visual scenes to describe.

Regarding the original anime ending( ep.25 and 26),I believe Shinji states it better than me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msEmnmxBgOw&search=Neon%20Genesis%20Evangelion%20episodes

[Elijya]

Yeah, I'm going to see it after I finish the series.

I just hope the jerk-off scene isn't what makes it such a mindf**k. :o
no, I think it's more the 20 straight minutes with no dialogue, just music, images, and screaming

and then there's the part where it insults the audience :D

[Timstuff]

Eh,just watch the movie,you'll understand.Too many pure visual scenes to describe.

Regarding the original anime ending( ep.25 and 26),I believe Shinji states it better than me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msEmnmxBgOw&search=Neon%20Genesis%20Evangelion%20episodes[/URL]

Yeah, we can thank MacGyver for that.

[url]http://macgyvereva.ytmnd.com/ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msEmnmxBgOw&search=Neon%20Genesis%20Evangelion%20episodes)

[TheVileOne]

"They ran outta ink too? Didn't they, the bastards."

[MaskedManJRK]

no, I think it's more the 20 straight minutes with no dialogue, just music, images, and screaming

and then there's the part where it insults the audience :D

Goddamnit, don't tempt me! I'm this close to saying "f**k it" to the rest of the episodes and getting End! :mad:

[Tsunulia]

no, I think it's more the 20 straight minutes with no dialogue, just music, images, and screaming

and then there's the part where it insults the audience :D

There was music playing? I only remember strange screaming.

[Elijya]

let's not forget about the live action sequences

[My vengeance]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivqPODLcoco&search=Neon%20Genesis%20Evangelion%20episodes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ecKUp2rZus

[Elijya]

nice :up:

[MaskedManJRK]

Well, I got the forth DVD, forgetting that I didn't see the third. I got most of it, but there's one thing I don't get:

What was it with the guy (don't remember his name, the guy that's banging Senji's caretaker lady whose name I don't remember either) and something about "Adam?" I'd get the third one, but after seeing the forth, I just want to grab the fifth and see what happens next.

[Tsunulia]

are you talking about Misato?

Adam was the first angel.

[MaskedManJRK]

are you talking about Misato?

Adam was the first angel.

Yeah, I figured that out when I got the fifth DVD.

Okay, few thoughts I had:

About Senji and the last Angel...we were supposed to think there was something...you know...between them, right? Just want to make sure.

Also, it said that the last episode on that DVD was the last one, yet there's another DVD with it. What's on that one? Is that the End stuff?

I have to say, this was some incredible stuff. I don't even mind Senji being such a man-b***h half the time, because of how he resolved it at the end. I'm not sure if this is answered in the next stuff or not, but do they mention that because of his changing of his perspectives, does that mean that everything we saw before might not be true anymore? The end with everyone congratulating him, even Amora (I think that's right, the German chick) and his father.

[MaskedManJRK]

By the way, I found a song that seems to fit the themes of the show. It's called "Annihilation" from A Perfect Circle.

Here's the site where you can listen to it: http://www.myspace.com/the1hollow

And here's the lyrics:

From dehumanization to arms production,
For the benefit of the nation or its destruction

Power, power, the law of the land,
Those living for death will die by their own hand,
Life's no ordeal if you come to terms,
Reject the system dictating the norms

From dehumanization to arms production,
To hasten the nation towards its destruction

Power, power, the law of the land,
Those living for death will die by their own hand,
Life's no ordeal if you come to terms,
Reject the system dictating the norms

From dehumanization to arms production,
To hasten the nation towards its destruction

Power, power, the law of the land,
Those living for death will die by their own hand,
Life's no ordeal if you come to terms,
Reject the system dictating the norms

From dehumanization to arms production,
To hasten this nation towards its destruction,
It's your choice, your choice, your choice, your choice,
Peace or annihilation

[Venom160]

can somone awnser these two questions for me.

1. When does unit 1 get those cool glowing wings that they show in the theme song?

and

2. Can somone explain to me what the last two episodes of the series is supposed to mean because I just finished watching them and it went right over my head.

[MaskedManJRK]

can somone awnser these two questions for me.

1. When does unit 1 get those cool glowing wings that they show in the theme song?

and

2. Can somone explain to me what the last two episodes of the series is supposed to mean because I just finished watching them and it went right over my head.

You mean of the series itself or End?

[Corinthian™]

can somone awnser these two questions for me.

1. When does unit 1 get those cool glowing wings that they show in the theme song?

and

2. Can somone explain to me what the last two episodes of the series is supposed to mean because I just finished watching them and it went right over my head.
you have to figure it out on your own:down

[Timstuff]

I'm thinking about buying EoE sometime in the near future (I haven't seen it before), but there's something I need to know. My younger brother (who's 16) is probably going to be watching it, and aside from the gratuitous violence and jerk-off scene (which we'll likely be chapter-skipping), is there anything else I should be aware of before sitting him down infront of it? I know Rei is naked in the movie but it's "barbie doll-esque", correct?

[Tsunulia]

I'm thinking about buying EoE sometime in the near future (I haven't seen it before), but there's something I need to know. My younger brother (who's 16) is probably going to be watching it, and aside from the gratuitous violence and jerk-off scene (which we'll likely be chapter-skipping), is there anything else I should be aware of before sitting him down infront of it? I know Rei is naked in the movie but it's "barbie doll-esque", correct?

the whole thing is tripped out and chapter skipping isn't wise cuz then you'll get even more lost

[MaskedManJRK]

I'm thinking about buying EoE sometime in the near future (I haven't seen it before), but there's something I need to know. My younger brother (who's 16) is probably going to be watching it, and aside from the gratuitous violence and jerk-off scene (which we'll likely be chapter-skipping), is there anything else I should be aware of before sitting him down infront of it? I know Rei is naked in the movie but it's "barbie doll-esque", correct?

My personal opinion: I think he's at an age where he should be mature enough to watch something like that. But, if you're worried about that, you should probably let him know what happens, so that he is aware of it and tries to act maturely about the subject.

[Timstuff]

the whole thing is tripped out and chapter skipping isn't wise cuz then you'll get even more lost

I'm guessing the chapters the movie is broken into are fairly large then. I suppose I could just use the time jump feature on my player (the scene is only like 5 minutes long anyway, right?)

The reason I ask is because last time we watched an Anime movie I picked, it was Ghost in the Shell (which I had never seen before). And needless to say, that didn't go over too well. :o

[Tsunulia]

I'm guessing the chapters the movie is broken into are fairly large then. I suppose I could just use the time jump feature on my player (the scene is only like 5 minutes long anyway, right?)

The reason I ask is because last time we watched an Anime movie I picked, it was Ghost in the Shell (which I had never seen before). And needless to say, that didn't go over too well. :o

actually the most tripped part lasted about 20 minutes or more

[MaskedManJRK]

I'm guessing the chapters the movie is broken into are fairly large then. I suppose I could just use the time jump feature on my player (the scene is only like 5 minutes long anyway, right?)

The reason I ask is because last time we watched an Anime movie I picked, it was Ghost in the Shell (which I had never seen before). And needless to say, that didn't go over too well. :o

What was so bad about Ghost in the Shell, if you don't mind my asking? :confused:

[Timstuff]

There was a bit too much nudity, and the context it was in was usually disturbing. I don't even remember what movie it was he had wanted to watch that night, but I ended up apologizing for not looking into the movie's content more before renting it, so hopefully that explains why I want to be careful about knowing what content is in EoE before we watch it.

[Tsunulia]

There was a bit too much nudity, and the context it was in was usually disturbing. I don't even remember what movie it was he had wanted to watch that night, but I ended up apologizing for not looking into the movie's content more before renting it, so hopefully that explains why I want to be careful about knowing what content is in EoE before we watch it.

ya Masamune has the tendency to put raunchiness in his stuff. I picked up a GITS manga one time and had to stop reading it for the hentai like crap that was in there. that and the text got me lost, I can keep up with the anime but not the manga :(

[Tsunulia]

I'm guessing the chapters the movie is broken into are fairly large then. I suppose I could just use the time jump feature on my player (the scene is only like 5 minutes long anyway, right?)

The reason I ask is because last time we watched an Anime movie I picked, it was Ghost in the Shell (which I had never seen before). And needless to say, that didn't go over too well. :o

you know what makes EoE even better? Watch it in the dark. Complete dark, no night lights, nothing. Awsome.

[Timstuff]

And don't forget the 'shrooms! :D

[MaskedManJRK]

Yeah, I figured that out when I got the fifth DVD.

Okay, few thoughts I had:

About Senji and the last Angel...we were supposed to think there was something...you know...between them, right? Just want to make sure.

Also, it said that the last episode on that DVD was the last one, yet there's another DVD with it. What's on that one? Is that the End stuff?

I have to say, this was some incredible stuff. I don't even mind Senji being such a man-b***h half the time, because of how he resolved it at the end. I'm not sure if this is answered in the next stuff or not, but do they mention that because of his changing of his perspectives, does that mean that everything we saw before might not be true anymore? The end with everyone congratulating him, even Amora (I think that's right, the German chick) and his father.

Could someone answer these please?

[Venom160]

You mean of the series itself or End?the series, the reason I asked these questions is because I bought the platinum edition for myself for my birthday yesterday and spent the whole day watching it and I notice that I didnt see unit 1 with those glowing wings. And my head maybe pointed but the last two episodes went right over my head, what is supposed to be happening in those episodes? Is it the third impact and if so what caused it? And if the angel they're holding in central Dogma is Lilieth than where the hell is Adam!? And who the hell shot Misato and Ritsuko, was it Gendo? Argh my head feels like its going to explode!

[MaskedManJRK]

the series, the reason I asked these questions is because I bought the platinum edition for myself for my birthday yesterday and spent the whole day watching it and I notice that I didnt see unit 1 with those glowing wings. And my head maybe pointed but the last two episodes went right over my head, what is supposed to be happening in those episodes? Is it the third impact and if so what caused it? And if the angel they're holding in central Dogma is Lilieth than where the hell is Adam!? And who the hell shot Misato and Ritsuko, was it Gendo? Argh my head feels like its going to explode!

I'm not sure about these myself (I only saw those episodes today). All I really know is that some outside force (maybe the Eva?) is forcing all the main characters into something (I remember a name you guys called it, but it's a long f**king thing and I don't remember, however, how to spell it) that is showing their flaws and trying to fix them for the better (though they only show Shinji actually solving this, and not anyone else, which is strange).

But, I think the wings thing is in End, though, 'cause I didn't see them either.

[Elijya]

Timstuff - the brief masterbation scene is NOTHING, it's not graphic in the least. It's not even totally clear what he's doing. It's clear if you know, but if we hadn't told you in advance, you'd watch that scene and ask yourself "huh? what was that?" just as soon as you'd realize what he's doing. It is not like there's this graphic portrayal of Shinji's dong immitating the fountains in front of Ceasar;'s Palace or anything

and beside, if you're brother is 16, he's way too old to be babied. I'm sure he's seen Showgirls, or something comprable, by now. He's not going to be scarred or anything

[Tsunulia]

I agree it's not scarring at all. Heck I'm a girl and not I'm mentally damaged by a tripped jerk scene, so your bro should be just fine. But seriously, watch it in the dark. :up:

[TheVileOne]

I don't see what's so raunchy about the nudity in Ghost In The Shell.

[Tsunulia]

I don't see what's so raunchy about the nudity in Ghost In The Shell.

Being a girl and trying to read the manga duzn't work so well for me :(

[Timstuff]

I don't see what's so raunchy about the nudity in Ghost In The Shell.

Not necessarily raunchy, but often disturbing or downright stupid. I can't understand for the life of me why the Major, an elite government operative needs to strip naked to use a cloaking device, but a 2-bit thug's cloaking device works while his clothes are still on. It's a rather large gap in logic, and I think the director just wanted an excuse to draw more nipples.

[Elijya]

you do realize nudity can be symbolic, right?

[Timstuff]

I understood the symbolism, but it still didn't explain why a 2-bit street thug has a better cloaking device than a government agent. And also it doesn't really change the fact that I don't really think it was appropriate for my younger brother to watch.

[Elijya]

Tim, come on, what were you like when you were 16?

I remember being ten years old and it was the life-quest of me and all my friends just to find our Dads Playboys. By 16, I could hardly care less if I saw boobs in a movie or not.

when he turns 17 in a year, he'll be able to buy or rent any R-Rated film he wants. Do you honestly think that on the night of his 17th birthday he magicly transforms into someone responsible enough to handle that? no, of course not, age requirements are an arbitrary social estimate for certain activities. It's completely possible that a certain 14 year old can be mature enough to handle seeing a little bit of flesh while a certain 20 year isn't. Age requirements are just an estimate.

If he's 16, he had sex ed in school YEARS ago, he should be fine. Does he have access to a computer? Then I can garauntee you he's probably looked up things 100 times worse in his own spare time.

[Timstuff]

Well, he didn't like it so I'm not going to bug him about it, and try my best to accomidate him.

[Elijya]

???

didn't like what? the movie, the scene in question? what?

[Timstuff]

Niether of us really cared for the movie that much, but it was the nudity that was a big problem.

Gah, how did this thread get derailed so far off topic? :confused:

[Elijya]

it's not derailed, we're still talking about Eva

[Timstuff]

Oh, I thought we were talking about GitS! :D

We have not seen EoE yet, but I do plan on skipping the jerking-off scene when we do.

[Elijya]

oh! I thought you WERE talking about Eva.

Tim - trust me, the scene is really nothing. As I said, it's very easy to not even realize that's what's going on

[Tsunulia]

I agree it's just trippy colors for awhile. That's one of the reasons that it's great for watching in the dark.

[MaskedManJRK]

Yeah, I figured that out when I got the fifth DVD.

Okay, few thoughts I had:

About Senji and the last Angel...we were supposed to think there was something...you know...between them, right? Just want to make sure.

Also, it said that the last episode on that DVD was the last one, yet there's another DVD with it. What's on that one? Is that the End stuff?

I have to say, this was some incredible stuff. I don't even mind Senji being such a man-b***h half the time, because of how he resolved it at the end. I'm not sure if this is answered in the next stuff or not, but do they mention that because of his changing of his perspectives, does that mean that everything we saw before might not be true anymore? The end with everyone congratulating him, even Amora (I think that's right, the German chick) and his father.

No one can answer these? :(

[Venom160]

disc 6 is just the director's cut versions of episodes 21-24.

[Corinthian™]

No one can answer these? :(
first of all

1. SHInji
2. Asuka is the girl

and the whole thing was to question yourself what is real and what isn't.

[MaskedManJRK]

disc 6 is just the director's cut versions of episodes 21-24.

Just how different are they? Is it the same as End?

[MaskedManJRK]

first of all

1. SHInji
2. Asuka is the girl

and the whole thing was to question yourself what is real and what isn't.

Ah. What about Shinji and the last Angel? Was there supposed to be...something...between them?

[Tsunulia]

Ah. What about Shinji and the last Angel? Was there supposed to be...something...between them?

You now as much as we do, it is up to you to determine what's real and what's not. Hard to tell ain't it?

[Corinthian™]

Ah. What about Shinji and the last Angel? Was there supposed to be...something...between them?
Aye.. there was supposed to be something...

sometimes kids tend to have "feelings" for their best friends, you know?

[MaskedManJRK]

You now as much as we do, it is up to you to determine what's real and what's not. Hard to tell ain't it?

Yeah, their relationship could be taken many different ways.

On one hand, Shinji might have been attracted to him because of the fact he never had someone care for him like that, thus just making him confused in general. Perhaps they both had that same feeling in them, and the acted upon it.

On the other hand, the Angel might have been manipulating Shinji, knowing all of this would affect him in some way. Perhaps it was to get Shinji good and f**ked up so that when the Instramentality came around, he would eventually collapse into his own world? (This I'm just bulls**tin', 'cause I haven't seen End yet)

But, it's also possible that it was purely platonic. I kind-of doubt it--there were too many blushing moments with Shinji to doubt that there was a bit of physical attraction--but it's still, in some small way, possible.

[MaskedManJRK]

Aye.. there was supposed to be something...

sometimes kids tend to have "feelings" for their best friends, you know?

Yeah, but I wouldn't really call them "best friends." I mean, they met, what, a few days ago? :o

[Elijya]

yeah, but this is Shinji we're talking about. He's been so ****ed up and abused all his life, the first time someone is ever nice to him I can understand him feeling close right away

[Timstuff]

Yay, my Platinum Edition DVD set just arrived. :) Now all I need is some time to watch it. :o

Heheh, I just noticed that there's a quote from Ain't It Cool News on the back of the insert. :p

[Venom160]

Just how different are they? Is it the same as End?I havent had any time the last couple of day to sit down and watch them yet.

[Timstuff]

I know this has been asked a gajillion times, but which should I watch first, Episodes 25 and 26, or EoE? I've yet to get a concrete answer, because there's a bit of a divide when it comes to the answer.

[My vengeance]

I know this has been asked a gajillion times, but which should I watch first, Episodes 25 and 26, or EoE? I've yet to get a concrete answer, because there's a bit of a divide when it comes to the answer.
As I have said before,in retrospect,now that I've seen both EoE and the original ending,I would say you have to go watch "End of Eva" first.You could really tell they were running low in the budget in episodes 25 and 26.Having seen them first, without knowing about the existence of the alternate ending,really spoiled NGE for me for quite a while.It just leaves too many holes uncovered.Plus, the fact that Hideaki Anno was certifiably insane when he decided to make "End of Eva" resulted in some worth-to-watch,mind blowing visuals.

[MaskedManJRK]

Okay, another question:

I finally got all the episodes watched (I missed on, like, episodes 10-15 or something like that), but there's one thing that I'm still confused about.

Several times, either the Commitee or SEELE mentions "The Dead Sea Scrolls." What exactly was that? Also, what's with the "Lance of Longenous" (I think that's how it's spelled) that Rei used to take out one of the Angels?

[Timstuff]

The dead sea scrolls are a very old set of scrolls containing numerous documents, including the oldest found copies of various biblical texts. There are some people who believe that there are codes hidden in them, although this notion is highly disputed.

As for the Lance of Longenous, the centurian who pierced Jesus's heart with a spear (or lance) after his crucifixion, was named was Longenous. The Lance of Logenous is also known as "The Spear of Destiny", and is is known as legendary relic much like the holy grail, although non-Catholic Christians do aknowledge that it existed at one point (unlike the grail). I'm not sure if the lance in Evangelion has is suppsoed to have any actual connection to it, or if it's only named after it (it would be awful big to be carried around by a grunt roman soldier). I honestly don't remember the Lance's origin in the show because it's been so long since I watched (but I've recented started again).

[MaskedManJRK]

The dead sea scrolls are a very old set of scrolls containing numerous documents, including the oldest found copies of various biblical texts. There are some people who believe that there are codes hidden in them, although this notion is highly disputed.

As for the Lance of Longenous, the centurian who pierced Jesus's heart with a spear (or lance) after his crucifixion, was named was Longenous. The Lance of Logenous is also known as "The Spear of Destiny", and is is known as legendary relic much like the holy grail, although non-Catholic Christians do aknowledge that it existed at one point (unlike the grail). I'm not sure if the lance in Evangelion has is suppsoed to have any actual connection to it, or if it's only named after it (it would be awful big to be carried around by a grunt roman soldier). I honestly don't remember the Lance's origin in the show because it's been so long since I watched (but I've recented started again).

Thanks, I had a distinct feeling that was what the Dead Sea Scrolls were, but I never saw them mention it until later on, making me think there was an episode where they discovered it or something.

I never heard the Spear of Destiny called the Lance of Logenous before, that's pretty interesting. Now I'm curious as to what Gendo was planning to use it on before he had to use it against one of the Angels. Perhaps it as to do with the Instrementality of mankind?

[Elijya]

The Spear of Destiny/Lance of Longinus has sometimes been attributed with one of two abilities: 1. Whoever holds it is invincible/cannot be defeated (this can extend beyond the user to his armies) or, the Lance can pierce ANYTHING, which is what seems to be its ability in Evangelion

[Venom160]

ok I watched the director's cut episodes and I happen to like them alot better then the regular versions. I have one question though what was that thing that was fused to Gendo's hand at the end of episode 24? Was that Adam?

[Timstuff]

Yes.

[Venom160]

Yes.damn, what side is Gendo on anyway? I mean by the way hes' acting it looks like hes' trying to bring on the third impact. I mean is that what hes' trying to do so he can die and be with his wife?

[MaskedManJRK]

damn, what side is Gendo on anyway? I mean by the way hes' acting it looks like hes' trying to bring on the third impact. I mean is that what hes' trying to do so he can die and be with his wife?

From what I understand (and I've only seen the original versions of the last two episodes), Gendo's trying to re-start the human race back to the primodial soup, so that the empty spaces within the human soul could be filled, destroying sadness and lonliness.

Venom--since you seen the Director's Cut, can you tell me just how different are those episodes compared to their original? Preferable without any big details, just curious just how much different they are.

[Venom160]

From what I understand (and I've only seen the original versions of the last two episodes), Gendo's trying to re-start the human race back to the primodial soup, so that the empty spaces within the human soul could be filled, destroying sadness and lonliness.

Venom--since you seen the Director's Cut, can you tell me just how different are those episodes compared to their original? Preferable without any big details, just curious just how much different they are.its not real diffrent I mean they just throw in some new scenes to flesh out each of the episodes, and like I said I havent seen EoE yet but I think some of the new scenes maybe setting it up for EoE. As a matter of fact the scene that shows Adam fused to Gendo's hand is one of the new scenes and I don't think they would throw that in unless they were setting up for EoE.

[Elijya]

damn, what side is Gendo on anyway? I mean by the way hes' acting it looks like hes' trying to bring on the third impact. I mean is that what hes' trying to do so he can die and be with his wife?
Watch EoE and you'll see

[Timstuff]

Basically, Gendo + SEELE (those guys in the dark chamber with the illuminated colored chairs) = a bunch of jack@$$es. Pretty much everything is their fault.

[MaskedManJRK]

Watched End from Venom giving me a link to a YouTube version.

Was really cool, but there were two things I didn't see/understand much.

1. Someone (I think it was Elijya) said that there was a part where the movie insults the audience. Which part was that?

2. I didn't get Shinji and Akoura's bit at the end. Why was Shinji trying to strangle her at the end? I can't see why Shinji, who changed for the better during his Instrementality, would do something like that.

[Elijya]

her name's Asuka, not Akoura

the bit I was talking was there's this part (when all the craziness is going on) where all you see is a picture of a movie theatre audience, and it just pans by them, and the words appear on the screen "Is this what you want?" this was in reference to all the complaints the director got from fans after the tV series ending

[MaskedManJRK]

her name's Asuka, not Akoura's

the bit I was talking was there's this part (when all the craziness is going on) where all you see is a picture of a movie theatre audience, and it just pans by them, and the words appear on the screen "Is this what you want?" this was in reference to all the complaints he got from fans after the tV series ending

Dammit, I keep forgetting that. :o

I get what you're talking about now. I just assumed it would be less subtle than that.

[Elijya]

haha, subtle? noooo

[MaskedManJRK]

haha, subtle? noooo

I was thinking that, like, someone would turn to the direction of the "camera" and scream "F**K YOU!" or something like that. :o

What about the other question. What do you think of that?

[Tsunulia]

I was thinking that, like, someone would turn to the direction of the "camera" and scream "F**K YOU!" or something like that. :o

What about the other question. What do you think of that?

Does there have to be rhyme or reason when you've gone mentaly insane?

[MaskedManJRK]

Does there have to be rhyme or reason when you've gone mentaly insane?

You think all the crap Shinji went through at the end simply made him go bonkers?

I thought with the breakthrough he went thorugh in his Instrementality and stopping it among everyone else, that Shinji bettered himself and allowed him to trust and to love.

[Tsunulia]

You think all the crap Shinji went through at the end simply made him go bonkers?

I thought with the breakthrough he went thorugh in his Instrementality and stopping it among everyone else, that Shinji bettered himself and allowed him to trust and to love.

Well appearantly not since he tried to kill Asuka twice.

[MaskedManJRK]

Well appearantly not since he tried to kill Asuka twice.

It seemed like the first time was in Shinji's head, since it was among Shinji's Instrementality process.

Another thing that made me curious was Asuka's final words in the movie, "How disqusting." What the f**k does THAT mean?

[Venom160]

It seemed like the first time was in Shinji's head, since it was among Shinji's Instrementality process.

Another thing that made me curious was Asuka's final words in the movie, "How disqusting." What the f**k does THAT mean?I wondering that too, my guess is that it was Asuka's reaction to waking up and seeing Shinji sitting ontop of her crying.

[Tsunulia]

I wondering that too, my guess is that it was Asuka's reaction to waking up and seeing Shinji sitting ontop of her crying. So is Shinji and Asuka the only people left on Earth now or could other people be alive elsewhere?

You should use spoilers for those who haven't seen it yet.

I highly doubt anyone else being alive since Rei killed pretty much every one.

[MaskedManJRK]

You should use spoilers for those who haven't seen it yet.

I highly doubt anyone else being alive since Rei killed pretty much every one.

What Shinji's mother told him proves otherwise. She says: "Anyone can return to human form, as long as they are able to imagine themselves within their own heart." So, as long as people are able to accept their Instrementality, like Shinji and Asuka did, then they will wash up on the shore like they did.

[Timstuff]

Actually, it's more about rejecting instrumentality than anything else, which is why SEELE wanted to make the process be in-voluntary for humanity, since the risk of rejection was too high. And if someone like Shinji of all people could find it in themself to reject instrumentality, there's a pretty good ammount of hope for everyone else.

[MaskedManJRK]

Actually, it's more about rejecting instrumentality than anything else, which is why SEELE wanted to make the process be in-voluntary for humanity, since the risk of rejection was too high. And if someone like Shinji of all people could find it in themself to reject instrumentality, there's a pretty good ammount of hope for everyone else.

Yeah, I was reading more stuff done about it and I kinda see that now.

[Venom160]

It was an kick ass movie :up::up: When I can scrape up the $ im going to buy the two pack on amazon.

[WallCrawl]

You should use spoilers for those who haven't seen it yet.



The series is 10 years old, I think spoilers tags are a little uncessesary. If you're going to wander into a thread about a series you haven't seen that's 10 years old, you'd be an idiot not to assume you're going to read things that will spoil parts of the series for you.

Or should we include spoiler tags for every discussion for every single series we talk about, just in case someone hasn't seen it? :confused:

[Tsunulia]

The series is 10 years old, I think spoilers tags are a little uncessesary. If you're going to wander into a thread about a series you haven't seen that's 10 years old, you'd be an idiot not to assume you're going to read things that will spoil parts of the series for you.

Or should we include spoiler tags for every discussion for every single series we talk about, just in case someone hasn't seen it? :confused:

Some of the people that posted in this thread never saw EoE till they heard about it in here. :o

[WallCrawl]

Some of the people that posted in this thread never saw EoE till they heard about it in here. :o

I say tough. :o

[mystic gohan]

i have only saw the first episode of NGE in japanese i liked what i saw so i bought the fist dvd platinum edition today

[MaskedManJRK]

It seemed like the first time was in Shinji's head, since it was among Shinji's Instrementality process.

Another thing that made me curious was Asuka's final words in the movie, "How disqusting." What the f**k does THAT mean?

Okay, I found some pretty good explanations about both instances. You can read it and more here: http://www.evamonkey.com/faq_evaotaku.htm


Q) When Shinji strangles Asuka in The End of Evangelion: Sincerely Yours, is this a real memory or part of the Complementation project?
A) This is a part of the process of Complementation. There are several indications of this.
First of all, the scene itself is very surreal and does not feel right as a memory. It does not logically fit in the Evangelion timeline (it would probably have occurred somewhere between episodes 23 and 24). Shinji is not nearly desperate enough during this time to strangle Asuka, and I seriously doubt Asuka would stand there idely and she suffocated. Further, the cut of the spilled coffee pot is inserted into the Director's Cut of episode 24 (before the episode begins) but is used in a completely different context (Asuka's realization to Kaji is not coming back).
In the scene Asuka says, "You're afraid of Misato and the First... " which mirrors exactly what Shinji said in The End of Evangelion: Air, "I... I'm scared of both Misato and Ayanami..." before he masturbates to her comatose body. All signs point to this sequence being an expression of Shinji's frustration with Asuka, and also his feelings of guilt for what he did. Moments earlier Asuka's (or perhaps more specifically, the Asuka in Shinji's mind) confronts Shinji saying, "Idiot! I 'know' about your jerk-off fantasies of me. Do it again like usual... I'll even stand here and watch."


Q) Why does Shinji strangle Asuka in the final scene of The End of Evangelion, 'I need you.' ?
A) The sequance is one of the most hotly debated in Eva circles all over the world. Until now there was no definitive answer to the mystery. However, Bochan Bird has recently stumbled onto the absolute answer, held within the Eva Carddass Masters Trading Card Game.
Here is the original answer I wrote about a year ago for this FAQ:
'I need you.' affirms Shinji's choice to return to reality, and in doing so has separated himself from Asuka once more. His first impulse is to strangle her, to finish what he started during Complementation. But then he feels her caress (which is very similar to the one he received from his mother only moments before) and realizes what he's doing. He releases his grip and collapses as an emotionally broken little boy - which disgusts Asuka.
The following presents the definitive answer to this question, as translated by Bochan Bird -
Part II (movies) Drama card D-88
Title: "Kimochi warui"
Small print:
"Shinji renounced the world where all hearts had melted into one and accepted each other unconditionally. His desire... to live
with 'others' -- other hearts that would sometimes reject him, even deny him. That is why the first thing he did after coming to
his senses was to place his hands around Asuka's neck. To feel the existence of an 'other'. To confirm (make sure of) rejection
and denial."
---- So, I was half right. The scene is meant to be an affirmation of Shinji's decision to return to reality. As I wrote on the Evangelion ML, the scene is there to prove "pain once again exists". However, I didn't give Shinji enough credit for his intention when he strangled her. I thought it was a carry over from the previous strangulation scene, when it was actually meant as a test to see if he was indeed back in the real world.

[Timstuff]

Considering how exhausted his mind obviousely was, I suppose that it seemed perfectly logical at that point.

Also, was Shinji aware that Asuka "died" during her last battle? It'd make sense that he'd be confused as to wether or not he was back to reality, since she was laying there even though she had been killed.

[MaskedManJRK]

Considering how exhausted his mind obviousely was, I suppose that it seemed perfectly logical at that point.

Also, was Shinji aware that Asuka "died" during her last battle? It'd make sense that he'd be confused as to wether or not he was back to reality, since she was laying there even though she had been killed.

I think it was the people in the controll booth saying that she was dead that caused 01 to get itself to Shinji, so I'm positive he knew that something was wrong.

However, I'm not sure if she truely, literary, DIED in that battle.

[Venom160]

found this over at the live action Evangelion fan site, here the link to prove im not making this up.

http://eva.trivialbeing.net/

Matt Greenfield at Tekkoshocon
Apr 28 2006, 06:34 AM, by The Eva Monkey
Comments: 25, Read and add comments at the forums
I watched this video of a panel from Tekkoshocon, and I'm surprised to say that the word on the Live Action Evangelion Project seems pretty good. I've had severe hesitations, and have on more than one occasion acted as a sort of harbinger of doom in regards to the project, convinced that there is no way in hell that the project would amount in anything of significance or worth. Based upon some of what is being said by Greenfield, I'm starting to think differently. His statements about how the project is currently progressing are actually quite impressive, and make me somewhat at ease to know that at the very least, some amazing talent will go into realizing this project. I'm still skeptical as to whether or not the production can or will capture the same essence of what Anno expressed through Evangelion a decade ago. Nevertheless, it seems like something to keep an eye on in the coming months more than ever, as Greenfield ultimately states that a director will most likely be signed on by the end of the year. Very exciting times appear to be ahead in the Live Action Evangelion Project.

Here are some notes in brief from the panel in regards to the project:
Matt Greenfield says that Weta approached ADV about approaching Gainax to do a live action Eva movie.

Three "A List" directors that are also fans of Evangelion approached ADV about the project, not the other way around.

Greenfield talks about getting their pitch package together and that "the first thing is Robin Williams talking about Evangelion", who is apparently a big Evangelion fan, and the appearance of the Mass Production Eva toy in One Hour Photo is entirely his doing.

Celebrities have been inquiring directly to ADV about being involved in Live Action Evangelion.

The director to be signed will most likely be the first to have room in their schedule.

Greenfield acknowledges the uncertainty of the final product due to the nature of film making being driven by the director.
The slug script was written by a well known writer who has written several well known sci-fi movies. The slug script will be re-written to fit the tastes and vision of the director selected.

Greenfield acknowledges that the children will most likely be age appropriate. The kids will be picked and then the adults will be cast to work well with the children.

Tiffany Grant asserts that Weta gets 20 times more email about Evangelion than Lord of the Rings.

Greenfield says a director will most likely be signed by the end of the year.

Greenfiled says they don't want to make it for profit, but because they want to do it, and they want to do it right, and do it justice in the same way that Lord of the Rings did.

Source: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4...537030524950783

[Elijya]

sounds encouraging.

Hopefully, if directors approached them already, that means they're fans, which will be better than the studio approaching a director themselves who doesn't know anything about the source material to begin with.

[Timstuff]

One thing that troubles me is that they brag about how "Celebrities" are interested in becoming involved, and not "A list actors". That could just mean eccentric rich people like Paris Hilton who think "Anime is hot" and will throw money at it so they can get a producer credit. That line seemed rather odd to me.

The other stuff has me optimistic though. Hopefully the movie goes greenlight before the end of the year!

[Tsunulia]

With Weta on it, I'm sure that the visuals will be great. It's the acting and the story that worries me the most. :(

[Timstuff]

Hopefully it will be good, even though I'm sure that it will be different. I don't want just a straight-up compressed version of the show's story anyway, because let's face it, that would be boring. They'll probably take the best and most important parts of the show and write a movie around them. Basically, that means that we end up at the same plot points and the characters develope the same way, but the scenes that it all unfolds in will be different from the show. Also, I think they should plan it as a trilogy, with the first two films covering the bulk of the show, and the third covering the last episodes plus End of Evangelion.

It's an adaptation, not a port. All I want is a good movie that's fun and intelligent, and manages to capture the sprit and characters of the show faithfully. I don't really care if they change a few minor things here and there to make it less confusing for newcomers as long as it turns out good.

[Tsunulia]

I wonder if they'll be allowed to trip it out as much as the show did. It would be odd to have a mellowed version of Eva.

[Timstuff]

I'm guessing this will be a more "digestable" version of Evangelion. Not that I have a problem with it, mind you. However I think that if they're going to try and reach a broader audience, a lot of stuff will have to be explained in "layman's terms" to keep people from getting lost. Making a more digestable version of Eva really wouldn't be all that difficult, as long as the person doing it understands the material, and also understand why it's confusing for some people.

[Tsunulia]

That would be like dumbing down V. :(

[Timstuff]

As long as it turns out good and is popular enough to warrent a sequel, I wouldn't care too much.

[Venom160]

im just happy that they are taking their time with this, not rushing it. Im sure its going to be amazing. That interview I posted said that Robin Williams is intrested in the movie, which character do you guys think he could possibly play? The only one I could think of is Gendo.

[Timstuff]

I don't think that he's going to be playing anyone. I think Greenfield was simply stating that there are many influential people who like Eva, which I suppose is supposed to reassure us of the people involved (who they're currently staying mum about).

[Tsunulia]

I think Robin would be a somewhat suitable Gendo. If you've ever seen One Hour Photo, you saw how dark and creepy he can get. (and if you paid attention, there was an Eva reference in that movie ;))

[Venom160]

I think Robin would be a somewhat suitable Gendo. If you've ever seen One Hour Photo, you saw how dark and creepy he can get. (and if you paid attention, there was an Eva reference in that movie ;))Iv never seen One Hour Photo but I did see Insomnia and he was great in that movie. So he can play drama but I wonder if he can act the whole cold and emotionless aspect that Gendo has.

[Tsunulia]

Iv never seen One Hour Photo but I did see Insomnia and he was great in that movie. So he can play drama but I wonder if he can act the whole cold and emotionless aspect that Gendo has.

If he doesn't break into slapstick and showtunes I'm sure he could pull it off.

[Timstuff]

Yeah, but will they be able to secure him for 3 movies?

[Tsunulia]

Yeah, but will they be able to secure him for 3 movies?

pfffft...........What else does he have to do?

[Venom160]

Yeah, but will they be able to secure him for 3 movies?If hes' the big Eva fan the interview is claiming he is im sure he'll make time.

[MaskedManJRK]

I think Robin would be a somewhat suitable Gendo. If you've ever seen One Hour Photo, you saw how dark and creepy he can get. (and if you paid attention, there was an Eva reference in that movie ;))

Really, it was hard NOT to notice the Eva reference. Also, like the article said, it was Robin's suggestion to add that little bit.

[Tsunulia]

Really, it was hard NOT to notice the Eva reference. Also, like the article said, it was Robin's suggestion to add that little bit.

:p I didn't read the article. But I found that part of the movie a little odd. A regular Wal-Mart type store selling Eva figures and a young kid knows the show. I doubt that. :p It was still interesting though.

[Venom160]

so how would you guys feel if they age Rei, Asuka, and Shinji for the movie?

[Tsunulia]

A couple years older would be ok with me, but I don't want them to be 16-19 year old type of characters. That would throw it way off.

[Venom160]

A couple years older would be ok with me, but I don't want them to be 16-19 year old type of characters. That would throw it way off.I was thinking maybe 16 or 17 but no older than that.

[Tsunulia]

meh......I just don't want to see them brain dead like every other teen movie out there. I would rather have them confused like they were in the show than stupid.

[MaskedManJRK]

so how would you guys feel if they age Rei, Asuka, and Shinji for the movie?

I'm pretty sure they would have to do the Greese route--using more 18-19 year-olds and making them look 16 or 17.

Why? Because no movie in Hollywood would allow 14 year-old girls to be nude like that--espicially Rei, who would practically be nude for practically the entire 3rd. act.

Another thing I think they would HAVE to change is Asuka's name.

Why? Well, when the common audience watches science-fiction, they can pretty much accept that "this is the future, so things are different," however, the audience wouldn't suspend their disbelief with having a German girl with a Japanese name. :o

[Tsunulia]

I thought her parents were from two different nations and that's why her name is that way :confused: It's been awhile so I don't remember.........:(

[MaskedManJRK]

I thought her parents were from two different nations and that's why her name is that way :confused: It's been awhile so I don't remember.........:(

I don't think they ever mentioned that--and when they had flashbacks of her past outside of her perspective, all the characters sounded German.

I think she's 100% German.

[Tsunulia]

I don't think they ever mentioned that--and when they had flashbacks of her past outside of her perspective, all the characters sounded German.

I think she's 100% German.

But I thought her flashbacks had a step-mother in them :confused:

[MaskedManJRK]

But I thought her flashbacks had a step-mother in them :confused:

From what I understood:

Askuka's mother and father worked on Eva unit 02, something happend that eventually drove her mother off the deep-end. Asuka's father left, leaving only her and her mother. Askuka's mother hangs herself and she's set with step-parents while training to operate 02. Later on, the Eva unit is moved to Japan and the rest, as they say, is history.

[Tsunulia]

That sounds familiar........

[MaskedManJRK]

That sounds familiar........

...:confused:...

[Tsunulia]

So are we gonna get re-created angels, or will they be somewhat like the originals?

[Timstuff]

From what I understood:

Askuka's mother and father worked on Eva unit 02, something happend that eventually drove her mother off the deep-end. Asuka's father left, leaving only her and her mother. Askuka's mother hangs herself and she's set with step-parents while training to operate 02. Later on, the Eva unit is moved to Japan and the rest, as they say, is history.

The reason Asuka's mother went mad was because during a failed activation test, similar to the one that claimed Shinji's mother, part of her soul got absorbed into Eva Unit 02. From then on she wasn't all together upstairs, but the people in charge saw this as an opertunity and selected Asuka as the pilot, because they knew that her mother was probably going to die one way or another, at which point they would let the rest of her be absorbed into Unit 02, thus making it ideal for syncing with Asuka.

I believe Asuka's mother was half Japanese, but for all intentions and purposes Asuka is characterized primarily as German. There's really no need to change her name, although I would drop the "Sorhyu" from her fully pronounced name, since "Langley" sounds a lot less conspicuous for a white german girl to have as a surname.

[Timstuff]

So are we gonna get re-created angels, or will they be somewhat like the originals?

They'll probably be like the angels from the show, except their designs will be spruced up a lot to look more interesting. Weta did a sketch of the "daimond shaped" angel (was Raimel it's name?), and this might be a fairly good indication of what might be in store for the others in terms of design.

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5927/realfilm239lz.th.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=realfilm239lz.jpg)

[Tsunulia]

Ya think they'll do all 10? I'm interested on how that shadow angel would turn out.

[Timstuff]

I don't know how many they'll do, but I am kind of doubtful that we'll see all of them incorporated. They've got to keep pacing in mind, because they don't want so many action scenes that they never have time for anything else. Some of the battles will probably be skipped over, but they'll most likely take the important plot points from those episodes and put them somewhere else.

I'm pretty sure they're planning to do a trilogy of films, so most of the angel battles will probably be in the first two films, since the third movie will likely be based mostly around the last 5 or 6 episodes plus End of Evangelion (MP Evas + Third Impact = not a lot of room for angel battles).

[Elijya]

Just remember guys, this will be a CONDENSED movie. HOPEFULLY, they'll just do a set up, and save some things for sequels

[Venom160]

yeah the first movie is only going to cover the first six episodes of the seires. And Tsunulia hate to call ya out on it but there is 17 angels in all not 10.

[Timstuff]

Actually, first 10 episodes would probably be more accurate from what I can tell. Asuka is supposed to be in the movie too, and also if they only did the first 6 episodes there'd be WAAAY too much ground to cover in the sequels. The first 6 episodes have a total run time of about 2 hours, and they're going to be condensing so there wouldn't be nearly enough there to make an entire movie out of.

[Elijya]

somethings will be condensed, som expanded, that's usually how adaptations go

[Timstuff]

Yeah, but they're still probably going to cover more than just the first six episodes.

[MaskedManJRK]

yeah the first movie is only going to cover the first six episodes of the seires. And Tsunulia hate to call ya out on it but there is 17 angels in all not 10.

Actually, 18 if you count humans. :o

[Elijya]

Yeah, but they're still probably going to cover more than just the first six episodes.
Not necessarily. The anime moved much faster and presumed alot more than what Americans are usualy used to in movies. They could easily only adapt the first two episodes, and spend more time with the kids, and explaining second Impact and what not, things that are kept hidden in the show until later episodes which American audiences would need to be laid out for them so the film is accessible

[Tsunulia]

18 :confused: Holy crud, I really need to watch this series again.

[Timstuff]

Not necessarily. The anime moved much faster and presumed alot more than what Americans are usualy used to in movies. They could easily only adapt the first two episodes, and spend more time with the kids, and explaining second Impact and what not, things that are kept hidden in the show until later episodes which American audiences would need to be laid out for them so the film is accessible

I'm sorry but the idea of making a 2 hour movie out of a 40 minute TV show pilot just plain sucks to me. IMO they should try to cover a LOT of ground with the first one so that the characters are well established. If it's written well, then the audience should not have a hard time figuring out that time is passing.

If it were up to me, I'd say there should be four "corner stone" angel battles in the first movie. If I had to pick which ones these would be, I'd probably say they should be Sachiel (Shinji's first battle), Ramiel (Shinji's first mission with Rei), Israfel (Shinji's first mission [in his Eva] with Asuka), and for the climax, Matariel (first mission with all three Evas). Using those four battles would be a pretty effective way (imo) to cover all bases for our opening chapter, and leaves Sahaqiel as a good first action scene for film number 2.

If they only made a movie out of the first 6 episodes, it would take them no less than 6 movies to get to the end, and at that rate Shinji would appear to be in his 20's by the time we get to third impact. Covering episodes 1-11 would be a good way to give a fair ammount of intro time for all the important characters as well as giving us some really sweet action scenes.

[Elijya]

I'm sorry but the idea of making a 2 hour movie out of a 40 minute TV show pilot just plain sucks to me. IMO they should try to cover a LOT of ground with the first one so that the characters are well established. If it's written well, then the audience should not have a hard time figuring out that time is passing.

Tim, if you listened to what I said, I said more time would be spent on the character relationshiops and revealing the secrets of the angels, the subplots and the tidbits that are laid out over many episodes, but the overall main plot would still be the first two episodes or so, the first angel. Going into all the character relations (introducing them one by one, Asuka arriving, talking about the artic expedition, etc.) took up ALOT more time than 40 minutes in the show

[Elijya]

If they only made a movie out of the first 6 episodes, it would take them no less than 6 movies to get to the end, and at that rate Shinji would appear to be in his 20's by the time we get to third impact.
first, thats assuming they'd stick to the same actors, which they wouldn't if that was the plan, and second, there ain't gonna be a second movie, let alone six, unless the first one is not just good, but accessible

[Timstuff]

I can't stand the idea of recasts though. They need to do a trilogy using the same actors, and to do that they're going to have to cram a lot more into the movies. And with a movie like this, they're going to need a lot of big action scenes, and I don't see how they're supposed to do that if they're only doing episodes 1-6 or less. IMO Episodes 1-11 would be the way to go.

[Elijya]

But you can't really jam that much stuff in. In the first 11 episodes, they fought, what? 6 seperate angels? What was the last movie you saw that had six, seperate, HUGE fight scenes, with still enough time for character developement?


Tournament movies like Mortal Kombat and The Quest are the only ones that comes to my mind, and we do NOT want to go that route

and it's not like it's just 6 fight scenes with the same set-up as in a tournament movie. Each Angel is completely unique and time is taken to investigate the correct method of dispatching each of them. that takes up ALOT of time.

[Timstuff]

They don't need to show all of the battles from the show, just the important ones. If they wanted to do every single angel battle from the show it would end up being like Mortal Kombat or The Quest, unless they wanted to do like 6 movies (which they shouldn't). If they used the battles that I suggested then they'd have 4 "cornerstone" action sequences that they could write the rest of the movie around.

[Timstuff]

Today I watched the "Death" portion of "Death and Rebirth" for the first time, but something confused me... In the show, I could have sword that they'd always pronounced the word "Eva" as either "ee-vuh" or "ay-vuh". But in "Death", they always pronounced it "eh-vuh", which I don't ever remember hearing it pronounced as before. Did they re-record the dialogue pronouncing it "eh-vuh", or did they always say it that way and I just never noticed? :confused:

Personally, I prefer to pronounce it "ay-vuh", but when I pronounce "Evangelion", I pronounce it "ee-van-gell(like "Gull" but with an "eh" sound unstead of "uh")-eon". So, what's considered the most "acceptable" way to pronounce "Eva"?

[Tsunulia]

Woah :confused: Someone puts too much thought into it :p

I've always heard it pronounced as ee-van-gell-ee-un, and the short version as ay-vuh.