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Nightwing
06-18-2010, 11:01 AM
Sneak peek at #509:
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/9329/dd509sneak.jpg
kguillou
06-18-2010, 12:18 PM
I just caught up on #507, and man i dunno bout you guys but i am loving the hell out of this new status quo for DD. This is how you keep a character fresh. How cool would it be if DD can actually succeed in transforming the Hand into a force of good?
runawayboulder
06-18-2010, 09:15 PM
I don't think that's the idea. Well it's DD's idea. But Marvel's plan is for DD's plan to go haywire, turning him to the Parallax of this decade.
I also just caught up. Diggle's not too bad at all taking over to Brubaker, but I do still miss his writing.
Love where this whole storyline is going. They have been keeping Daredevil amazing for such a long time.
Can't wait for Shadowland.
runawayboulder
06-19-2010, 08:23 AM
It's amazing that for 11 years consecutive DD has been incredible, sandwiched in that time was one of the sh***iest Marvel movies ever.
Got my mail that DD Ultimate collection vol. 1 by Bendis just shipped! :)
kguillou
06-19-2010, 09:21 AM
I don't think that's the idea. Well it's DD's idea. But Marvel's plan is for DD's plan to go haywire, turning him to the Parallax of this decade.
I think its just misdirection on Marvel's part. They're not gonna turn one of their most beloved and consistent characters into a bad guy. Its just not gonna happen. If they did, the fans would create a s*** storm 10x worse than Spider-man's OMD.
Would there be a **** storm though?
I can't wait to see what happens, but I think I could go either way. Villain (for a while) or superhero.
I mean, look at everything Matt has done, and had happen to him. His ID is out, he became the Kingpin, he was locked up in prison for a while, now he leads the Hand. On top of that the stuff in his personal life.
He'll either be saved or continue on his path. Either way I think it's going to be great.
kguillou
06-19-2010, 07:04 PM
Trust me dude, the minute DD crosses the line between good and bad, you'd be pissed off just like every other DD fan. The great thing about DD is that he's a tormented hero who's constantly being dragged down by his superhero and personal life. But at the end of the day, he prevails and comes through as a hero. The fun of it all is seeing just how far DD can be pushed until he comes back from the brink. But once you lose the "heroic" aspect of the character then its no longer the same character you loved.
Anyway the worst thats gonna happen is DD will murder Bulleseye (who's had it coming for a long long time) and the heroes will be outraged and DD will have to live with the guilt. Biut he wont become a villain.
hippie_hunter
06-19-2010, 07:18 PM
I think its just misdirection on Marvel's part. They're not gonna turn one of their most beloved and consistent characters into a bad guy. Its just not gonna happen. If they did, the fans would create a s*** storm 10x worse than Spider-man's OMD.
Except at least with Daredevil, the build up to his potential fall has been built up excellently.
Spider-Man on the other hand, the build up to OMD was a "tie-in" to the Spider-Man 3 movie and then give up his marriage to save his aunt's life while she told him to let her go.
kguillou
06-19-2010, 08:53 PM
But come on, you really wouldn't mind seeing Daredevil become a villain?? Really?
Dark Victory
06-19-2010, 11:43 PM
Got my mail that DD Ultimate collection vol. 1 by Bendis just shipped! :)
I own both omnibuses. Best $200 I've spent on a comic.
Judge Holden
06-20-2010, 03:06 AM
It's amazing that for 11 years consecutive DD has been incredible, sandwiched in that time was one of the sh***iest Marvel movies ever.
No way man, the Directors Cut was pretty awesome. Nailed the essence of the character and what he is about better than a lot of other comic book films which get praised more.
It did have some weak spots though... like the cheesy romance sub plot and that fight in the playground.
I own both omnibuses. Best $200 I've spent on a comic.
Hahha must be! But the two Omnibuses in total are more than 200 bucks now. :( Atleast the last time i checked. They're very pricy and rare. :word: Hence i'll just spent 100ish bucks to get 3 books.
runawayboulder
06-20-2010, 07:52 AM
No way man, the Directors Cut was pretty awesome. Nailed the essence of the character and what he is about better than a lot of other comic book films which get praised more.
It did have some weak spots though... like the cheesy romance sub plot and that fight in the playground.
Never saw the dir cut.
Alastor
06-20-2010, 12:25 PM
It was a surprising improvement over the theatrical release. Still, I thought the costume sucked.
Trust me dude, the minute DD crosses the line between good and bad, you'd be pissed off just like every other DD fan. The great thing about DD is that he's a tormented hero who's constantly being dragged down by his superhero and personal life. But at the end of the day, he prevails and comes through as a hero. The fun of it all is seeing just how far DD can be pushed until he comes back from the brink. But once you lose the "heroic" aspect of the character then its no longer the same character you loved.
Anyway the worst thats gonna happen is DD will murder Bulleseye (who's had it coming for a long long time) and the heroes will be outraged and DD will have to live with the guilt. Biut he wont become a villain.
Has he not crossed the line already though? Beating cops and taking them to an underground prison and starving them?
runawayboulder
06-20-2010, 05:20 PM
They were bad cops on Osborn's payroll. Even Castle said in the recent PunisherMax that even when you kill a dirty cop you're crossing a line. It's MAX I know....
I'm totally ready for a evil DD. It's the natural next step for DD considering Karen Page died 11yrs ago. And since Bullseye is most likely getting killed soon....2+2=4
Alastor
06-20-2010, 06:34 PM
I think that could be interesting. I'm not sure Matt should become "evil", but I wouldn't mind him staying in charge of The Hand and be in a moral gray area. The guy has been through so much, it should have an affect on him. I just can't see him going back to being "lawyer/super-hero" patrolling Hells Kitchen.
runawayboulder
06-20-2010, 07:08 PM
Maybe he'll do some crazy s**t like become a priest to atone for his past sins. He's a devout Catholic right? A priest/vigilante super hero. Hmmmmmmmmmm........
Alastor
06-20-2010, 07:12 PM
Hmmm indeed. I'd read that.
kguillou
06-20-2010, 08:00 PM
Wow, i'm shocked at how many of you are actually ready for DD to go bad. Really? I mean to each his own but i thought we'd all be in agreement as DD fans that we'd all prefer him as a dark hero. I'd never want to see him become evil. That would completely ruin the character for me. I mean in any case i highly doubt Marvel has the balls to go that route and their advertisements for Shadowland are a little too "obvious". Turning a popular superhero bad is an incredibly risky move that could potentially lose a lot of fans i would think.
Shockdingo
06-20-2010, 08:52 PM
I'm all for murky nature of morality, but why would he go evil? I mean not gritty and maybe a bit loopy, but why would he throwaway everything (faith, friends, respect, goals, honor to his fallen father etc) to become evil? Not shaky morals/ shades of gray/moral ambiguity, I mean villainous? That would be a stretch and a terrible move. I'm looking towards Shadowland to see Matt struggle in ways he's never struggled before, but it's no fun if the hero looks down into the darkness and accepts the evil, the darkness, the corruption. I can understand his monumental strain of late, but a complete abandonment of who the character is supposed to be would be hideous.
runawayboulder
06-20-2010, 09:14 PM
He'd go evil because he's been through the wringer for the past decade. And IMO he isn't as nearly as strong willed as a Peter Parker or Steve Rogers, I don't care what writer has him do what.
You're talking about a guy who gave Frank Castle a thou shalt not kill speech but around the same time tried to throw an infant off a rooftop.
kguillou
06-20-2010, 09:15 PM
Thank you Shockdingo, thats how i feel as well. It would just be plain horrible and depressing if DD just finally threw up his hands and gave in to the darkness. Its great to see the character give in a little bit like we've seen him lately but to go all out and switch sides would be ridiculous. Again, I think marvel's teasers are just messin with us. Shadowland will push Matt to the very brink but at the end he'll emerge from it. Thats whats always been so great and consistnent about the character.m
Finally i finished Daredevil Ultimate Collection by Bendis vol1 And man that was some sweet pulp story telling. The first 4 issues by David Mack we're highly intriquing! Every page and panel had something to look out for with the splendid details. Then the story with Kingpin's death and the crime lords was very intriquing. Kingpin's wife seemed quite the badass, and yeah the identity reveal was nicely handled and is probably a running theme thruouth Bendis' run. I think September will have volume 2 out. :) The White Tiger case was really cool with the dialogue exchange.
JewishHobbit
06-27-2010, 11:55 AM
Yeah, Bendis's run was just phenominal. I bought the first Ultimate Collection hardback around 5 or so years ago on a whim and it turned me into a Daredevil fan overnight. It's been a slow build to get up to date but now that I finally am (as of two issues ago) I am gung ho ready for what comes.
And in regards to a previous conversation... the theatrical movie wasn't bad, but the Director's Cut is still one of my favorite comic book movies to date. I got rid of it once due to money issues and really want to pick it back up again.
kguillou
06-27-2010, 04:16 PM
Honestly, ALOT of people give the DD movie crap just because Ben Afleck played him, but you know what? He actually played the part well in my book. I thought for the most part actually everybody was well-cast, yes even Colin Farril as Bulleseye. The worst part about the movie was all the Elektra segments. Jennifer Garner was horrible as Elektra and she really brought the movie down i think. Also, i wasnt too gung-ho on the costume. Granted its really hard to translate an all red costume to the big screen but still. he looked silly to me. But in general the movie wasnt nearly as bad as people make it to be.
JewishHobbit
06-27-2010, 07:10 PM
Oh I thought Afleck and Ferril were phenominal. I though Afleck did great in the theatrical but his performance was better in the Director's cut.
As for Garner I thought she did fine. The only people who complain about Elektra are comic fans who know the character. She did great for the script she was given. The only problem with her was perhaps casting, as she wasn't quite Elektra, but for what it was, she did great.
venom892
06-27-2010, 07:48 PM
The director's cut is far superior to the theatrical cut.I only kept the the original cut dvd because of the documentary on the Daredevil comics.Also Bendis's Daredevil was great and it's a shame he hasn't maintained the same level quality since he left the title.
kguillou
06-27-2010, 07:50 PM
She was too soft and too "damsel in distress"-y. Elektra is a badass, hard edged ninja, and i didnt get any of that from Garner's performance. Her costume wasnt that great either. And let's not even mention the Elektra spinoff movie. My god Fox, what were you thinking???
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=5640
Shadowland preview. :) Art looks just fine, and it's nice to see Stick being aware of things. I love how the teaser ends! Perfect way to hook up the reader if you don't mind me saying. :word:
kguillou
07-02-2010, 06:35 AM
So...is the Punisher back to normal now? Or does this somehow take place before he becomes Frankenstein?
Nightwing
07-02-2010, 10:41 AM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=5640
Shadowland preview. :) Art looks just fine, and it's nice to see Stick being aware of things. I love how the teaser ends! Perfect way to hook up the reader if you don't mind me saying. :word:
Man that preview has me amped. The art looks terrific, Shadowland is almost here! :awesome:
Shockdingo
07-02-2010, 03:33 PM
So...is the Punisher back to normal now? Or does this somehow take place before he becomes Frankenstein?
That's what many of us have been wondering. I think it may be after he changes back; he's not hiding from HAMMER, hunted by Osbrone , etc. I believe in a few months Frank will be normal in his own book again, I forgot what issue the whole thing ends in.
runawayboulder
07-02-2010, 06:00 PM
GREAT preview! I can't wait!
Shadowland #1 was a good start, and very Bullseye's perspective. I like how new-friendly this was, even tho i know everything that i had to know, the first page info was cool.
Art was pretty good, maybe it could be alittle bit better, but it did it's job right.
kguillou
07-09-2010, 08:24 AM
Unless this is a red-herring, Marvel really screwed up on telegraphing bulleseye's death in all the freakin previews and stuff. This whole issue felt like it was dependent on that one moment and it had no shock because we all knew this months ago. I dunno how i feel about this, again maybe maybe its a red-herring just like Master Izo's "death" , but i was really hoping there'd be more emotional depth to this. This is a bold move for DD, i hope Diggle knows what he's doing.
Shadowland #2 advanced teaser! (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27115)
Nightwing
07-12-2010, 10:50 AM
Black Tarantula! Loving the art.
I read IGN gave the issue #1 a 4.5...Which is pretty harsh IMO. I mean I thought it was a good start just not that great but also not that bad. My only pet peeve is that they showed us the end of the issue through a teaser before the issue even hit stands. Still looking forward to where the story's gonna go though.
The Bruce
07-12-2010, 03:01 PM
I can't believe how underrated Daredevil is. He's the greatest character in comics. He WAS the Dark Knight before Batman got reworked. He needs way more love in other media. A late night animated series ala what Todd McFarlane did with Spawn. The Detective vision in the Batman game is essentially DD's radar sense.
He needs games, movies and TV series.
There’s so much untapped potential in Daredevil
runawayboulder
07-12-2010, 03:26 PM
Tan's art looks insane!
Shockdingo
07-12-2010, 04:50 PM
Agreed, I was hoping that DD would get a massive media push around the time the movie was announced, but...well, sadly things weren't as amazing as we all would have hoped and thus DD didn't get that surge in popularity.
venom892
07-14-2010, 03:56 PM
Just read both Shadowland #1 and Daredevil #508 and enjoyed both.However as stated before it would have been a lot better had Marvel not basically ruined the cliffhanger.Seeing how horrified Luke and Danny's faces were when they saw what Matt did and seeing Foggy trying to pin what happened on Fisk was kinda heartbreaking.It shows Matt is almost completely over the edge and completely over his head.The entrance of a certain character at the end of #508 and who bought that character in should be interesting.
#508 Spoilers:
#508 seems to imply pretty heavily that Matt's possessed or being controlled somehow, which is what I've assumed since the start. Outright killing Bullseye and imprisoning a bunch of crooked cops in deplorable conditions seemed too excessive for Matt, mental breakdown or not. Not that Matt didn't come close to killing Lester before, but he was still upset over Elektra at the time. This was almost non-provoked by comparison.
Plus, you've got Elektra two issues ago telling Matt in an apparent dream that, "It's inside you." Add some of the stuff Diggle stated in interviews leading up to the event, such as pointing out no inner-monologues for Matt, and together with Matt's disposition in this issue, I think it's safe to say someone else is pulling his strings.
Anyway, awesome issue. Glad to see Foggy and Dakota again, and the Detective Kurtz subplot looks to be an intriguing one. Plus, Elektra and art by De La Torre. Issue had it all, really.
#508 was indeed awesome, and this small-event is getting builded up nicely! :D
kguillou
07-15-2010, 07:03 AM
Hmm, its funny i never considered the fact that Matt was being mind-controlled or something. That would make a lot of sense. Its apparent that the Hand is trying to manipulate him in some way and use him for some greater cause.
Nightwing
07-15-2010, 01:08 PM
This. Was. Awesome. The art and story was superb here - definitely one of the best buys purchased this week. For me atleast. Can't wait for Shadowland #2 and beyond!
kguillou
07-15-2010, 02:39 PM
I shoulda known Diggle knew what he was doing. DD being under mind control makes perfect sense and it seems like the Hand is bringing out the "Beast" in Matt Murdock. I LOVE where this is going.
runawayboulder
07-15-2010, 02:54 PM
Have faith in Diggle folks, they guy is AWESOME. Read his Hellblazer run, it was the best stuff I've read since Ennis.
NO book has seamlessly transitioned like this one has over the years. I wonder if White Tiger has been a mole for The Hand from the start since Matt was the one that got her to quit the FBI and become the White Tiger.
Just read Shadowland #1 and Daredevil #508.
This story is going to be really cool. Finding the art in Shadowland to be pretty sub-par when compared to Daredevil. But what can you do.
Is Matt possessed/under control or is he having a mental breakdown in the form of an alternate personality?
runawayboulder
07-18-2010, 10:36 PM
I think The Hand has been playing him from the start with White Tiger.
Daredevil
07-18-2010, 11:22 PM
A thread devoted to me?
lol just kidding,
anyway, Daredevil is easily my favorite comic character. He just is so unique and so tragic and his character is way better then pretty much anyone I can think of in Marvel. However I have not really been reading much of the newer stuff, I tend to stick to the Frank Millar Visionaries and all the older stuff.
He is the best. Nuff said.
venom892
07-19-2010, 08:12 AM
You should really Read the Bendis/Brubaker runs as they are excellent.Any true Daredevil fan should read them.
Daredevil
07-19-2010, 08:31 AM
You should really Read the Bendis/Brubaker runs as they are excellent.Any true Daredevil fan should read them.
I'd love too. Any specific recommendations from their run?
JewishHobbit
07-19-2010, 09:34 AM
All of it from Daredevil Vol. 2 issue 28 through to current. There is no bad story. It all flows surprisingly well, almost like there aren't writer changes. Even the art is similar enough through most of it to not be jarring, save for random Dodson issues during Bendis's run.
I concur. Bendis to Brubaker to Diggle.
It's all great.
TheDarkKnight08
07-23-2010, 08:01 PM
New Man Without Fear after Shadowland. Marvel's panel has ruined my day with their announcement. :cmad:
Yeah that sounds really questionable. I mean i'm exciting for the new Daredevil in Ultimate Marvel, but to learn that Matt Murdock might die or become something else post-Shadowland is damn skeptical. Not to mention it possibly even ruins Shadowland alittle. This isn't about Batman's return where the comeback is obvious, this is about Shadowland now possibly ending with Matt's death. Or worse: Him becoming a villain.
venom892
07-23-2010, 08:19 PM
They said new Man without Fear not Daredevil.It may be that after Shadowland Matt will be afraid of what he's capable and therefore the title of man without fear wouldn't be his anymore.
TheDarkKnight08
07-23-2010, 08:22 PM
They said new Man without Fear not Daredevil.It may be that after Shadowland Matt will be afraid of what he's capable and therefore the title of man without fear wouldn't be his anymore.
Maybe. But that just seems a little reaching. I've pretty sure they would mention they as cryptic. They meant they're would be a new DD and that, my friends, is why Marvel has been seadily decling: they're running out of ideas, shoehorning **** they got off the top of their heads, and calling it a "new direction".
runawayboulder
07-23-2010, 08:23 PM
My early bet is on Black Tarantula.
venom892
07-23-2010, 08:29 PM
But they mentioned Gambit and Nova as possible new Man without Fear/This has to be some sort of red herring.Please Marvel.You Ruined Spidey for me and you killed my favorite X-men.Don't take Daredevil too....
runawayboulder
07-23-2010, 08:31 PM
I'm not gonna jump to conclusions here. Shadowland is only 1 issue in. I want see how things develop, that's why my first reaction is Tarantula.
Nightwing
07-24-2010, 11:29 AM
All this talk of a new "Man Without Fear" has me mindwiped. I mean, almost every hero has a nickname and this has LONG been established as DD's own. But I won't get ahead of it real quick. I just hope they know what the **** they're doing.
It's look more evident now that Matt maybe the new Ronin. Maybe. Also, I think Tarantula is a good bet and one I'm all for besides my wishful thinking of...Moon Knight. :o
Why would Matt become Ronin? What do we know of the new Ronin? I know Ronin is like this masterless samurai or something, but yeah... I need details! :p Help me out Wolf!
Nightwing
07-24-2010, 11:54 AM
Why would Matt become Ronin? What do we know of the new Ronin? I know Ronin is like this masterless samurai or something, but yeah... I need details! :p Help me out Wolf!
There's going to be a new Ronin debuting in an arc called "Widow Makers" by McCann & Swierczynski (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27204) which is a crossover for the Hawkeye & Mockingbird/Black Widow titles. When Ronin was going to first debut before it was revealed to be Echo, a lot of people were guessing it to be Murdock.
Interestingly enough this arc starts right after Shadowland ends. And if DD is going the villain route and at the end of it needs to redeem himself for awhile, he may need a new identity. Here's another hint that was given (btw I posted all this in the Hawkeye and Mockingbird thread :p):
"I will give you one hint: If someone's taking out/neutralizing spies all over the place, it would stand to reason that someone, somewhere, wants the world temporarily blind and deaf," the writer teases. "But for what?"
Now aside from the "blind and deaf" part this hint also ruins my theory a bit because this Ronin is also going to be hunting down and killing people. So yeah, it's all just speculation at this point and I know I'm not the only one thinking this, haha.
Does this mean Andy will still be on the Daredevil title or?
Nightwing
07-24-2010, 12:10 PM
Pretty sure he will be. There hasn't been anything (so far) on him leaving anytime soon, etc.
Good, because i was starting to get worried he didn't have a longterm plan post-Shadowland. :D
Alastor
07-24-2010, 01:19 PM
Maybe it'll be Danny Rand again.
Bendis' was asked his thoughts on Shadowland, and he promised that fans will dig the conclusion to the event.
Huge Shadowland spoiler in October's Moon Knigh tie-in solicitation. Found here, (http://www.staffars.se/previews/marvel20-08.txt) or read below. You've been warned:
SHADOWLAND: MOON KNIGHT #3 (of 3)
Written by GREGG HURWITZ
Pencils by BONG DAZO
Cover by FRANCESCO MATTINA
As the gathered heroes continue their assault on Daredevil’s stronghold, Moon Knight is on a quest for the one artifact capable of defeating the Beast, the dark spirit currently controlling Daredevil. Standing in his way is the evil Shadow Knight, Khonshu’s new avatar and he’s determined to beat Moon Knight to the punch. But Moon Knight knows he cannot fail and he’s willing to do anything, even kill, to ensure Shadow Knight’s defeat. Don’t miss the thrilling conclusion to superstar writer GREGG HURWITZ’s modern noir masterpiece!
32 PGS./Parental Advisory …$3.99
Honestly, I'm not surprised, but I never dreamed it would be spoiled this early on in a solicitation.
Good, because i was starting to get worried he didn't have a longterm plan post-Shadowland. :D
I remember Diggle saying in an interview from a while back that once he was finished with something big (presumably Shadowland), he would be taking Matt back into the courtroom for a more grounded storyline.
venom892
07-26-2010, 01:47 PM
Damn I don't want anything spoiled at all.Now I'm afraid to even look at the October Solicitations.
Nightwing
07-26-2010, 01:51 PM
I reeeeally don't want to look. B-B-But at the same time...it's Moon Knight! I'm torn. :csad:
As far as I can tell, the other Shadowland solicitations really don't spoil anything. The Moon Knight one, however, has a pretty big reveal in it as it relates to the event as a whole.
Daredevil
07-27-2010, 12:01 AM
I dunno if I should get Shadowland or not. So many mixed reviews and so little money right now.
Meh, unless I'm missing something huge, it doesn't seem that big a deal to me. Anyone who has read the latest Daredevil can conclude it's fairly obvious that Matt is not in control of his own mind.
This is nothing compared to when they revealed the image of DD killing Bullseye.
I don't think Bullseye is dead, i think he will be back in Shadowland's finale to fight Matt again. He can control his heart after all.
venom892
07-27-2010, 07:24 AM
I guess we'll find out in the Shadowland:Bullseye one shot.
kguillou
07-27-2010, 08:43 AM
I still think it would be a cool twist if Bullseye was dead but Matt decides to ressurect him through the Hand and therefore have Bullseye under his control. How interesting would that be?
kguillou
07-27-2010, 09:07 AM
Hah! I was right! Check this out:
SHADOWLAND #4
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1007/27/shadowland4th.jpg (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1007/27/shadowland4.htm)
Written by ANDY DIGGLE Penciled by BILLY TAN Cover by JOHN CASSADAY Variant Cover by Billy Tan
The final battle for the soul of New York erupts in Hell's Kitchen, and Daredevil is on the front lines...Hell, he IS the front line!Ê Backed by the full power of the Hand, Daredevil is now more than a match for New York's strongest heroes.ÊWith a new right-hand man, Matt Murdock will finally show those who stand against him what it truly means to be a Man Without Fear!
Bullseye is gonna be DD's slave, I LOVE it!!
Meh, unless I'm missing something huge, it doesn't seem that big a deal to me. Anyone who has read the latest Daredevil can conclude it's fairly obvious that Matt is not in control of his own mind.
This is nothing compared to when they revealed the image of DD killing Bullseye.
I assumed he'd been under control since around #505, but the Moon Knight solicitation reveals explicitly:who/what is controlling him. Again, not that that's a very surprising revelation in and of itself, either; a lot of people guessed that after #508. Nevertheless, it is a pretty big plot point to spoil in a solicitation, I think, so I thought some people might want a heads-up.
Scarecrow_King
07-27-2010, 12:03 PM
is anybody else completely underwhelmed by Cassaday's work on these covers? he seems to have gotten incredibly lazy lately.
I dunno if I should get Shadowland or not. So many mixed reviews and so little money right now.
I'm getting it plus all the tie-ins, but I'm a total Daredevil mark. That said, the first issue of the main series was only so-so, in my opinion, but in my experience the first issue of most events is typically very by-the-numbers. After the last issue of Daredevil, though, I'm more than confident that Diggle's going to make it an enjoyable ride.
If nothing else, you should check out the main series in addition to Daredevil. It being a Daredevil-centric event, there's bound to be a ton of spillover between the two titles, and you wouldn't want to miss anything big, would you.;)
is anybody else completely underwhelmed by Cassaday's work on these covers? he seems to have gotten incredibly lazy lately.
Totally agree. I think this is the first time I've been underwhelmed by Daredevil's cover art since Vol. 2 kicked off.
Nightwing
07-27-2010, 01:36 PM
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/268/24daredevil511.jpg
DAREDEVIL #511
Written by ANDY DIGGLE AND ANTONY JOHNSTON
Art by ROBERTO DE LA TORRE
Cover by JOHN CASSADAY
Vampire Variant by JOCK
A SHADOWLAND TIE-IN.
Hell's Kitchen has exploded into rioting, looting, and all-out chaos, and Daredevil is responsible for it all. As the leader of the Hand and controller of Hell's Kitchen, Matt Murdock knows that conquest of New York is within his grasp. But one of his oldest friends, though, goes to Shadowland to make one last ATTEMPT to save the Man Without Fear from walking the path from which there is no turning back.
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99
Nightwing
07-27-2010, 01:56 PM
Someone over at CBR gave some info about those "New Man Without Fear" banners:
Just to describe them... they weren't super detailed. The left side of the image just said something like, "Who is the new man without fear?" and the right side had a picture of the hero in a dark, gritty, Daredevilish pose in urban environments.
So is Andy going to write about Ronin or the new Man of Fear? I is abit confused. :( Oh and thanks for the updates. <3
Nightwing
07-27-2010, 02:04 PM
I don't think Diggle will mention the new Ronin (unless of course it is Matt) but if there's a new Daredevil running around I'm sure he will. We'll see I guess..We're only in almost in August and I already want to know what's going to happen dammit! :cmad:
Just to go back to the talk of people who have been DD before or might be this time around, I remembered the other day that T'Challa used to be DD once upon a time. And not to mention his sister is currently holding his former title...
I assumed he'd been under control since around #505, but the Moon Knight solicitation reveals explicitly:who/what is controlling him. Again, not that that's a very surprising revelation in and of itself, either; a lot of people guessed that after #508. Nevertheless, it is a pretty big plot point to spoil in a solicitation, I think, so I thought some people might want a heads-up.
Hmm... Ok. Well that explains it then. I don't know who/what that is that the spoiler refers to.
I don't think Bullseye is dead, i think he will be back in Shadowland's finale to fight Matt again. He can control his heart after all.
OF COURSE! Good call!
kguillou
07-28-2010, 09:05 AM
DD is gonna resurrect Bullseye and make him his slave. That is an absolutely awesome idea. Of course it wont last very long, Bullseye will break the spell somehow, but it'll be nice while it lasts.
Shadowland #2 preview! (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=5906&disp=table)
Nightwing
07-29-2010, 02:06 PM
Beat me to it, D. :oldrazz:
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/2039/prv5906pg4.jpg
Jake ****ing Lockley!
Nightwing
07-29-2010, 02:14 PM
Someone managed to snap these at the Con:
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9554/gambit.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7133/kraven.jpg
Apparently T'Challa also had his own banner.
NightBeetle
07-29-2010, 02:24 PM
Nova had his own banner too but I can't seem to find a leak picture of it..
Daredevil
07-29-2010, 03:16 PM
Is that Kraven? What the heck wow
Right now, I'm guessing Matt might take a break from "Daredevil'ing" for a while after what he's been put through in Shadowland. Being "afraid" of what he became, he'll no longer be "The Man Without Fear," and in his absence other heroes, vigilantes, and even villains will try to fill the void/make a name for themselves in Hell's Kitchen.
I'm not at all worried about Matt's safety, however. I remember Diggle saying he was going to really concentrate on Matt's lawyer side in an upcoming storyline, and having Matt take a sabbatical from being Daredevil would definitely make room for that type of a story arc.
runawayboulder
07-29-2010, 07:05 PM
Cage is so freakin cool when BMB isn't writing him.
Kraven's awesome.....not sure about Gambit. Def don't understand Nova.....
Spider-Jay420
07-31-2010, 12:05 PM
I just read DD 508 and Shadowland #1. When did Bullseye kill 107 people? Did I miss a one shot or something? Or is there some kinda gap between issues and things happened off panel? Good start though.
venom892
07-31-2010, 02:50 PM
Dark Reign:The List Daredevil one shot.
Spider-Jay420
07-31-2010, 02:57 PM
Really? Dark Reign: The List Daredevil takes place between 508 and Shadowland #1? Didn't the List come out a while ago?
Or Matt just hasn't gotten around to Bullseye until Shadowland? I'm confused. I read SL#1 and felt like I was reading part 2 of something else. Matt was already in his black suit and asking Luke and Danny if they would swear loyalty to the Hand....it felt like I missed something....
venom892
07-31-2010, 06:14 PM
The list was the first issue Diggle wrote of DD then started his run on the regular title.DD hasn't had any interaction with Bullseye since then.
Spider-Jay420
08-01-2010, 10:41 AM
Ah HA!! Got it. Thanks venom.
JewishHobbit
08-01-2010, 01:31 PM
I'll agree that Cassiday's cover art has kinda been sucky. Very bleh.
And what's this about a new Ronin?
Nightwing
08-01-2010, 01:49 PM
I'll agree that Cassiday's cover art has kinda been sucky. Very bleh.
And what's this about a new Ronin?
All you need to know is right here (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=335038&page=4). I posted the covers and articles. Just scroll down. :up:
runawayboulder
08-02-2010, 03:00 PM
From CBR:
Marvel has released the following teaser image featuring Nova flying through the rooftops of Hell's Kitchenhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27616#). The only text accompanying the image was the question "Who will be the new Man Without Fear?" along with the declaration of "Shadowland" changing the Marvel Universe.
Who Will Be The New Man Without Fear?
http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1280776710.jpg
Shadowland brings a major change to the Marvelhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27616#) Universe!
venom892
08-02-2010, 03:50 PM
Patrolling Hell's Kitchen would be a major step down for Nova.
Just read Shadowland 2.
Does it continue into the next Daredevil ish, or the next Shadowland ish?
I am not really enjoying the art in Shadowland. And is it just me or is Diggle's writing much better in DD than it is in Shadowland? Maybe I'm just distracted by the bad art.
Also? I saw an image of Steve Rogers putting on the Nova helmet. Is that Steve Rogers up there? Or the original Nova?
Alastor
08-05-2010, 12:42 AM
My guess is the original. Im pretty sure Steve Rogers: Human Rocket (:awesome:) is a one-shot deal in SA
kguillou
08-05-2010, 09:12 AM
You know, i was reading ign.com's review of shadowland and they trashing this whole event saying "Matt Murdock is painted as a cheap, one-note villain with no real point of emotional resonance.". Don't people realize Matt is being brainwashed? He's not acting on his own free will, which makes this book all the more interesting. Matt bit off ore than he could chew when he became leader of the Hand and now its biting him in the ass. How is that not great story telling?
Because people shouldn't care about IGN reviews. :p I thought Shadowland #2 was excelent. It's really building things up nicely.
kguillou
08-05-2010, 10:26 AM
Yeah i know, its all just opinion, i was just shocked at how low they rated it. Usually i agree with the majority of their reviews.
You know, i was reading ign.com's review of shadowland and they trashing this whole event saying "Matt Murdock is painted as a cheap, one-note villain with no real point of emotional resonance.". Don't people realize Matt is being brainwashed? He's not acting on his own free will, which makes this book all the more interesting. Matt bit off ore than he could chew when he became leader of the Hand and now its biting him in the ass. How is that not great story telling?
It's not just IGN, either. I've seen people on boards all over the web who are still in denial that Matt is possessed. As if the last issue of Daredevil wasn't enough to convince them, you'd think the October solicit (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marvel-october-2010-solicitations-100727.html) for the Moon Knight tie-in would tip them off. Of course, not everyone reads solicits, and I'm sure more than a few aren't currently reading Daredevil, but I'd nevertheless think it would occur to the critics that maybe there's a reason Matt isn't acting like Matt beyond "crappy" writing, especially when this is Diggle we're talking about.
Anyway, I thought #2 was a step up from #1, both in terms of art and story. I think a lot of people are down on this event because it's such a departure from the way Daredevil has been written over the past decade. Personally, though, as someone who's been reading Daredevil since the late '80s and has since read every issue of the series, I'm really enjoying it. I liked Bendis and Brubaker's Daredevil as much as the next guy, but I also liked the stuff from Nocenti, Kesel, Kelly, and even Chichester's earliest work on the title, and Shadowland's tone very much reminds me of those more traditionally told super hero stories. It's less about Matt's personal problems--although that's obviously still a factor--and more about standard super hero fare, with men and women in flashy outfits duking it out with one another, and I see nothing wrong or bizarre with that approach to a Daredevil comic; there are far more written in that fashion than Miller, Bendis, or Brubaker's take, after all.
On another note, I also really liked the Bullseye one-shot. Totally superfluous, but a very enjoyable read, all the same.
Daredevil #509 preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=5980&disp=table) is up! What more is there to say but that the stakes are getting higher. :) Also for Millar fans and well general Daredevil fans that includes elseworlds. Ultimate Avengers 3 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=5991&disp=table) will be about Blade, new Daredevil (teenager kid) & the Avengers fightning vampires. :)
I'm sorry, but that Ultimate storyline sounds ridiculous.
Preview for 509 looks great though!
Yeah, sorry, but even my Daredevil fanboyness can't get me to buy something "Ultimate."
runawayboulder
08-07-2010, 05:49 PM
Not even an "Ultimate Jean Grey/Black Widow: Lesbian Affair" book would get me to buy one. And that would be loads of firecrotch.....
Scarecrow_King
08-08-2010, 02:53 AM
if they actually sold that book, I would buy it and ONLY look at the pictures. i wouldnt even care about the words.
Docker2.0
08-08-2010, 10:50 PM
Shadowland is building up great!
I'm sorry, but that Ultimate storyline sounds ridiculous.
Well its got Ultimate Hand and everything. Just thought i'd share.
Yeah, sorry, but even my Daredevil fanboyness can't get me to buy something "Ultimate."
Oh shush you! It could have the word Astonishing if you just use yer imagination! :p
http://i37.tinypic.com/2i6nt5f.jpg
Is it truly the end?! Oh noes!!!!! :awesome::oldrazz: Cool artwork nonetheless.
Docker2.0
08-10-2010, 10:11 AM
Wow! Great artwork! Shadowland has been great thus far and I can't believe Kingpin sent Ghost Rider after DD. Also I'm loving The real Avengers threat about DD. "It would be unwise."
Just great to have a Marvel event without Bendis having his grubby hands in it.....thus far anyway.
Midnyte_Sun
08-10-2010, 01:18 PM
Wow! Great artwork! Shadowland has been great thus far and I can't believe Kingpin sent Ghost Rider after DD. Also I'm loving The real Avengers threat about DD. "It would be unwise."
Just great to have a Marvel event without Bendis having his grubby hands in it.....thus far anyway.
Where did you read that?
venom892
08-11-2010, 09:34 PM
Just got Shadowland #2.Man was that an awesome issue!Midnyte Sun let's just say your going to need this book in your collection.
bryanss3
08-13-2010, 11:17 PM
is it just me or are the DD Shadowland issues better written that Shadowland itself. Not saying Shadowland is bad so far but i feel far more invested in DD than the mini.
I agree with you bryanss3. The Daredevil issues are way better. I am not really liking the Shadowland issues outside of Daredevil. Something is off about them.
Project862006
08-15-2010, 11:48 AM
ok guys i want to get into DD where should i start i hear brubaker's run is damn good where does his series start - Inside & Out?
and is it a good series to start picking up
Start with Vol. 2 issue #26 where Bendis started writing regularly all the way up to now. From Bendis to Brubaker to Diggle, it's a fantastic ride.
If you really want to though, start 25 issues earlier with vol. 2 issue #1, "Guardian Devil" storyline, up to current.
Either way, you will not regret it. I read Guardian Devil, and then jumped to Bendis' run though.
Project862006
08-15-2010, 03:17 PM
oh damn i ordered issues 82 - 105 brubkers stuff
will try to get bendis stuff some how lol
Yeah, Bendis' stuff is just as good as Brubakers. And set's up Brubakers run as well. So I would read Bendis' stuff first :)
Daredevil
08-19-2010, 10:25 AM
What is everyones favorite DD story? Mine is Blind Alley.
Heck, all of Frank Miller Visionaries Vol 1 is EXTREMELY good.
JewishHobbit
08-19-2010, 06:37 PM
I've only read the first arc of vol. 2 and then jumped to Bendis's run to current, so I don't have a huge reference. But of that, I'd have to say I enjoyed the whole Mr. Fear arc the most from Brubaker's run.
runawayboulder
08-19-2010, 08:31 PM
What is everyones favorite DD story? Mine is Blind Alley.
Heck, all of Frank Miller Visionaries Vol 1 is EXTREMELY good.
My single favorite DD issue was #181. Yeah it's pretty common, but I remember reading it as a kid and being totally blown away. All I could think after reading that (and not having much exposure to DD to that point) was how it read like it could have been the last ever issue of DD ever and it would've been the greatest ending ever.
Another issue that blew me away was #191 called "Roulette", when DD was playing Russian roulette with a paralyzed Bullseye in his hospital room. The ending line was incredible. "Guess we're stuck with each other, Bullseye".
It was such a mindf**k when you think about it. The whole issue was DD talking to Bullseye in a voice over in DD's head. Imagine what Bullseye must have been thinking, trapped in a hospital bed while your nemesis says nothing, pointing a gun at your head and his own, pulling the trigger each time. HARDCORE STUFF.:up::up:
kguillou
08-19-2010, 11:32 PM
That was def a CLASSIC issue. Bullseye musta been like "this mofo is crazy!". My personal favorite issue was the Bendis story where DD lost it and carved a bullseye into Bullseye's forehead with a jagged rock. That scene was so brutal and it was a culmination of all the frustration and anger Matt had been keeping inside during the whole unmasking fiasco. Plus Bullseye's had it comin for long long time and it was nice to see DD dish out some cold justice.
runawayboulder
08-20-2010, 05:22 PM
DD's monthly is getting canceled with #512.....
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27942
The last bit of solicitation news we'll hit is the fact that "Daredevil" is solicited as the final issue, which took a lot of people by surprise. Last week, we talked about how when creatively things weren't lining up, Thor went on what became a kind of needed break. With these teasers coming for a new "Man Without Fear" are we to expect that Daredevil will be taking a similar turn off the pages of comics for a while?
Brevoort: I should never be surprised by the reactions our audience at this point, and yet time and again, week in and week out, they surprise me. We've been promoting "Who is the new Man Without Fear?" for something like three weeks now, and yet everybody is surprised that "Daredevil" is ending. One pretty clearly follows the other, so I was sort of taken aback by the response to the solicits being, "Oh my gosh! 'Daredevil' is ending!" What did you expect was going to happen when we asked who the new Man Without Fear would be?
Obviously, I can't get into the story mechanics behind any of this, but it's all an outgrowth of "Shadowland" and its finale. We absolutely could be looking at a situation where, as with Thor, there is no Daredevil series for a while, but there is somebody else in an equivalent role. That's hardly earth-shattering, and in fact, taking a character like Daredevil off the canvas for a little while may make the heart grow fonder due to absence more so than just having him around doing his thing and being overlooked because he's always been there. It certainly did with Thor.
On top of that, whenever we do one of these event stories we like to have them result in change. We like for them to "matter", as Axel was saying earlier. So clearly the world of Daredevil and Hell's Kitchen and all the street-level heroes and their titles is going to be impacted in a major way by the end of "Shadowland." The fact that "Daredevil" is ending is one of the effects of that but not the only one.
Well, I've got to say, Tom. I think the thing that made this move really shocking was that you just made the move to renumber at issue #500.
Brevoort: That was 12 issues ago! It's been a whole year! [Laughter] I cancelled "Avengers" three issues after reverting its numbering to #500. And it's not like if we brought the title back, you couldn't bring it back at #513. It's not as though those issues go away.
Brevoort is a giant douche. I swear both he and Quesada are like the James Dolan/Isiah Thomas of Marvel Comics.
kguillou
08-20-2010, 06:52 PM
I like Brevoort a lot less than i like Quesada. Brevoort always comes off as this standoffish "i know better than you" douche. When Spectacular Spiderman was canceled, he pretty much called all of Spectacular's fans a bunch crybabies and told us to get over it. Quesada seems much more easy going than him.
Anyway, i call BS on DD being canceled. Thor was in a completely different situation than DD is now. Thor was cancelled because NO one was reading Thor and there was no interest for the character (No offense to Thor fans). DD has had a much larger following in this past decade and altho his book isn't a top seller, he has a strong core fanbase. Plus DD is probably the only marvel character that has had consistently exceptional runs back to back. If anything at all, we may not get a DD book for a month or two, but he'll be back by January no doubt.
I wonder are we getting Bendis' Daredevil: The End story now?
runawayboulder
08-20-2010, 07:40 PM
I personally hate how they need to play the numbers since those 2 jerk-off's took over. They constantly bounce back and forth between #1's and #500's. Just let the comic run normally. I have a lot of respect for DC not screwing with the numbers for Batman, Detective Comics and Action Comics.
TimBisley
08-20-2010, 10:15 PM
Its really hard to mess with Action Comics and Detective Comics, they have been around almost 1000 issues.
Docker2.0
08-20-2010, 10:36 PM
Where did you read that?
In Shadowland. :huh:
Brevoort: I should never be surprised by the reactions our audience at this point, and yet time and again, week in and week out, they surprise me. We've been promoting "Who is the new Man Without Fear?" for something like three weeks now, and yet everybody is surprised that "Daredevil" is ending. One pretty clearly follows the other, so I was sort of taken aback by the response to the solicits being, "Oh my gosh! 'Daredevil' is ending!" What did you expect was going to happen when we asked who the new Man Without Fear would be?
:doh: What are you talking about Brevoort? "Who is the new Man Without Fear" was asked before when Iron Fist took up the DD costume while Matt was in prison, and Daredevil wasn't cancelled.
Also, "Who is the new Spider-Man" was asked when Mattie Franklin took over as Spider-Man without the book being cancelled...
So... Maybe you can understand our shock now?
imdaly
08-21-2010, 08:33 PM
Also, "Who is the new Spider-Man" was asked when Mattie Franklin took over as Spider-Man without the book being cancelled...
Welllllll...in THIS case you might not have much to stand on. "Who is the new Spider-Man" was used to relaunch ASM with a new #1 after the "last issue" of ASM just the month before it. ;)
Daredevil
08-21-2010, 09:18 PM
I am going to read Daredevil #1-#500 by the end of the year that is my goal. Ambitious, no?
kguillou
08-21-2010, 09:46 PM
Bah, you can do it in a week if you wanted to.
Daredevil
08-22-2010, 11:17 AM
Am I the only one that never really liked DD's first yellow costume... I dont know but I didnt find it as awesome and intimidating as his red one.
runawayboulder
08-22-2010, 07:50 PM
Am I the only one that never really liked DD's first yellow costume... I dont know but I didnt find it as awesome and intimidating as his red one.
You mean D-Man's costume?
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/83759-176722-d-man_large.jpg
JewishHobbit
08-22-2010, 09:19 PM
I like it for nostalgia sake but that's about all. I've not read any Daredevil prior to Bendis's run save a two issue run in the 90's with the Surgeon General or whatever her name was, and that's because it guest starred Spider-Man... but I've always kinda liked the Black and Red one from a little after that. I just thought it looked cool and I like how his Shadowland suit's echoing that a bit.
Nightwing
08-23-2010, 11:18 AM
I think it's going to be a horse race between T'Challa and Falcon as the NMWF.
TheCorpulent1
08-23-2010, 11:25 AM
T'Challa would make sense, since his sister is still using the Black Panther identity.
Nightwing
08-23-2010, 11:28 AM
Plus I'd like to see T'Challa referring to Hell's Kitchen as his new "jungle" so to speak. :awesome:
..Although my choice of wishful thinking is still Moon Knight..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daredevil:_End_of_Days
Still wondering are we getting this or not. Would you guys like to see Bendis make a comeback for a mini-serie?
kguillou
08-23-2010, 12:36 PM
What exactly is holding that series back? The artists?
venom892
08-23-2010, 12:54 PM
I wouldn't mind as DD is the only thing I felt Bendis has been really good at it.
What exactly is holding that series back? The artists?
No clue.
Nightwing
08-27-2010, 11:45 AM
Shadowland #3 and Shadowland: Elektra #1 previews! (http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album_view.php?gid=2389&page=13)
Nightwing
08-28-2010, 03:09 PM
At Fan Expo in Toronto today, Marvel announced an upcoming four-issue miniseries titled "Daredevil: Reborn," by Andy Diggle and Davide Gianfelice, which will start in January after a December one-shot called "Shadowland: After The Fall." The one-shot, which serves as an epilogue to "Shadowland," will feature the many characters in Matt Murdock's life, and have a painted cover by new DC exclusive artist David Finch.
The new "Daredevil: Reborn" series will be four 32-page issues with covers by Jock, possibly featuring a new Daredevil. Editor Stephen Wacker discussed the difficulty of creating a new Daredevil story after "Born Again," which he considers the ultimate Daredevil tale. "Reborn" will restart the character from the ground up, forcing him (or her) (or whoever it is) to rebuild their identity as Daredevil after the events of "Shadowland."
No more details were released, as much of the book is still covered in mystery, but we can certainly begin speculating. The title "Reborn," the panel points out, was last used by "Captain America: Reborn," and they claim this will be an equally Big Deal. The likelihood of it being a new Daredevil is fairly low; the panel continues to associate the Daredevil mythos with Murdock specifically, so I'm willing to bet that any threats of a "new Daredevil" are a red herring. The advertising campaign, "Who Will Be the New Man Without Fear (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.13462.who_will_be_the_new_man_without _fear%3F)?" perhaps implies that while there will be a Daredevil, the events of "Shadowland" have instilled him with a real and perhaps very healthy sense of fear.
This is Davide Gianfelice's second major superhero work, after the final issue of Jason Aaron's "Wolverine: Weapon X." He comes from Vertigo, where he spent time drawing Brian Wood's "Northlanders" and Peter Milligan's "Greek Street." It will serve as the continuation of Andy Diggle's run which started in "Dark Reign: The List - Daredevil" and "Daredevil #500," which continued in "Shadowland," so it's likely that they all form acts of one larger story.
Source (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/08/28/daredevil-reborn/)
Still mixed feelings about this. :p
venom892
08-28-2010, 04:36 PM
Mixed as well.They could have just made the issues a part of the regular title.But alas they probably want to charge 3.99.
Nightwing
08-29-2010, 11:51 AM
Two Daredevil: Reborn promos. manwithoutfear.com put them up but I can't post them for some reason.
One (http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7vng87Gig1qzniqdo1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId =0RYTHV9YYQ4W5Q3HQMG2&Expires=1283186948&Signature=Va4oZBsPFEihFSknDYyUAcQQUJc%3D) and two. (http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7vndf2G1z1qzniqdo1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId =0RYTHV9YYQ4W5Q3HQMG2&Expires=1283187066&Signature=h21zZ%2F06AIBnUxtPU9S297r1EeI%3D)
kguillou
09-03-2010, 04:33 PM
Damn, how come no one is talking about Shadowland at all? Anyway all i wanna know is how the hell is Punisher human all of a sudden? Does this somehow take place before Daken sliced him up?
runawayboulder
09-03-2010, 06:13 PM
Franken-Castle #21 next month is most likely gonna resolve the Bloodstone issue and turn Frank back to human before it gets relaunched.
Remember....Shadowland takes place after SIEGE and The 1st Daken/Punisher fight took place before SIEGE.
Project862006
09-05-2010, 06:26 PM
currently reading brubakers run finished up Daredevil: The Devil, Inside And Out Volume 2
and boy did i enjoy this it was great read very good
The Bruce
09-06-2010, 12:44 PM
How is the Quality of the binding on this book (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0785143882/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_i4?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1WADAZX2PBYXH94S6KGY&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846)? I want to read some DD.
It was my introduction to Bendis' DD and i really liked it. :) Volume 2 of ultimate collection is coming late september, with the conclusion (3rd volume) coming in November. :) GET IT BEFORE THEY SELL OUT!
The Bruce
09-06-2010, 01:53 PM
Thanks to you I just got volume 1 and plan to get the second :yay:
:).
Bendis' Omninus runs are like 200 bucks lol. So getting 3 big volumes (instead of 2 omnibuses) is a pretty great deal. :) Let's hope in January 2011 we could get some Brubaker Daredevil Ultimate Collections. ;)
kguillou
09-06-2010, 09:43 PM
So i've been wondering, it seems like after Shadowland, Marvel's going to try to bring DD back to basics. This has me thinking tho, does this also mean they're going to re-bottle DD's identity like they did with Spiderman? DD's life has been a nonstop downward spiral since his I.D. became public and the only way to really restore any sense of normalcy would be to somehow make it secret again. I really hope they don't do it but what do u guys think?
JewishHobbit
09-06-2010, 09:46 PM
Honestly, I really like this downward spiral and all the turmoil. It's been this way since early in Bendis's run and that's what drew me to it. If they go back to the more classic Daredevil I may quickly lose interest I'm afraid. And honestly, I'm not sure I can handle another "genie in a bottle" in regards to his identity.
kguillou
09-06-2010, 10:22 PM
Yeah dude, i hope Marvel sticks to their guns on this one and keeps this status quo. DD's stories have been phenominal since his secret i.d. was out.
The only thing is, DD is alot like Spider-man in that he kinda needs his secret identity otherwise his personal life would be in constant danger. With his i.d. public, people like Foggy and Dakota would be in constant danger. wI feel like there has to be a middle ground where we can restore some normalcy to Matt's life without "putting the genie back in the bottle".
The Bruce
09-07-2010, 01:45 PM
Frank Miller established the pained and tormented Matt and that's what I like about him, His suffering. He's like Spider-man for grown ups. Frank did it with out revealing his identity to the public. My hope is they maintain the Daredevil we have come to love. With out it he's more or less a Spidey lite.
The Bruce
09-07-2010, 02:09 PM
What's the best way to get the Miller run in collected format?
Daredevil Visionaires volumes 1-3 collect Miller's run. Then you got "Daredevil: Born Again" and "Daredevil: The Man Withouth Fear".
Man Withouth Fear is DD's origin with John Romita Jr's art and it's awesome! Born Again is pretyt much All-Star Batman for Daredevil. Daredevil goes IS AT THE BRINK of insanity in this story, but ofcourse he is well "born again" ;). Don't let the all-star Batman comparison scare ya, hes not eating rats or training little boys into crime fighters. :p
I also have Loeb's Daredevil Yellow which i'd like to recommend. Tim Sale's art and Loeb's inner monologue is a good combonation for the story.
PS. Is DD: Lone Stranger a good story? I think it's about Daredevil being haunted by Mephisto.
Nightwing
09-09-2010, 04:29 PM
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5456/1284066172.jpg
****'s going to get real.
Crazy. Cool cover.
Was anyone else annoyed in the recent issue of Shadowland where the Hand is fighting the Avengers and after they escape from DD's castle, DD states that the Avengers killed a bunch of the Hand?
Since when do heroes kill?
random_havoc
09-10-2010, 06:33 AM
Well this is new, they're not even waiting til they've killed the character before they announce his resurrection.
Sure, it may not be a literal death and resurrection they're doing this time, but still, announcing his triumphant return before he's even gone? Way to kill even the illusion of drama there Marvel. Nice.
JewishHobbit
09-10-2010, 07:53 AM
You know, sometimes I just wish Marvel would let a story or event play out BEFORE building up it's aftermath or what comes next. Just let the story flow.
runawayboulder
09-10-2010, 05:26 PM
Isn't this reborn DD not supposed to be Matt Murdock....?
Harlekin
09-11-2010, 04:02 AM
Crazy. Cool cover.
Was anyone else annoyed in the recent issue of Shadowland where the Hand is fighting the Avengers and after they escape from DD's castle, DD states that the Avengers killed a bunch of the Hand?
Since when do heroes kill?
The Avengers haven't been very squeamish about killing since the beginning of the decade. Also, Hand ninjas are supernatural zombie things anyway. Everybody kills them.
Nightwing
09-13-2010, 12:33 PM
Elektra mini/on-going?!
Marvel Comics has released the following teaser image featuring Elektra walking away from a body, accompanied by the tagline "Assassin for Hire" and a "Coming in December" timeframe of release. No further information was given.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1453/1284398035.jpg
hippie_hunter
09-14-2010, 07:32 PM
Daredevil becomes Black Panther: The Man Without Fear with issue #513 :(
Scarecrow_King
09-14-2010, 07:50 PM
who drew that Elektra teaser?
JewishHobbit
09-14-2010, 09:25 PM
I recognize the style but am having trouble placing it. I want to say Tom Rainey or whatever his last name is (I last saw him doing Secret Invasion: Inhumans but know him best from Mutant X and Outsiders.)
Scarecrow_King
09-14-2010, 10:36 PM
The only reason I know who Raney is is from some Ultimate X-Men stuff he did. back when that book was good. could be him. Also looks a bit like Salvador Larroca to me. and he did the Ultimate Daredevil/Elektra stuff, so it wouldn't be a huge stretch for him to do Elektra.
runawayboulder
09-14-2010, 10:37 PM
Daredevil becomes Black Panther: The Man Without Fear with issue #513 :(
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/09/daredevil-to-become-black-panther-the-man-without-fear/
I could think of 500 other folks in front of Black Panther they could have used. I was kinda hoping for Black Tarantula, but he's dead.
At least they're keeping the numbering.:yay:
Scarecrow_King
09-14-2010, 10:37 PM
and whoops, I just saw a signature on the right hand side running parallel to her arm. I've never heard of the guy.
kguillou
09-14-2010, 10:42 PM
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/09/daredevil-to-become-black-panther-the-man-without-fear/
I could think of 500 other folks in front of Black Panther they could have used. I was kinda hoping for Black Tarantula, but he's dead.
At least they're keeping the numbering.:yay:
Call me crazy but i actually think this is kind of a good idea, the only thing is....whats going to happen to Matt? I dont necessarily wanna read a DD book without Matt in it.
JewishHobbit
09-14-2010, 11:13 PM
Huh, interesting. It sounds like this is another Incredible Hercules thing where the title and character is changing entirely... basically a new comic... but with the old numbering of a previous title. If it still ties in with whatever Daredevil is doing then I'll continue with it, but if it doesn't and is basically just another Black Panther ongoing then I'll drop it and wait for the Daredevil mini to show up in January.
Dark Victory
09-15-2010, 12:47 AM
No matter how ****ing cool that cover is, I'm still apprehensive at to where this reborn stuff is going. Daredevil's been pretty great since Bendis's run, so I really hope this change pays off. If not, **** it, redhead'll be back in tights within a year or so.:o
E-Man
09-15-2010, 01:20 AM
I absolutely love both Black Panther and Daredevil. In fact, those two in addition to Captain America, JSA, and The Walking Dead are the only titles I buy monthly. With that being said, I think it is a really stupid idea to make Black Panther the new Man Without Fear. So T'Challa once again leaves his kingdom to go play hero in New York? What's worse is that this time the country really is in shambles because apparently Maberry made Wakanda so reliant on vibranium that they can even flush the toilet without having it coated in vibranium.
Unless there is some huge, looming threat to Wakanda in Hell's Kitchen, this makes T'Challa look like a jackass. He leaves his home and people in the worst state they have ever been to be a hero in Daredevil's playland? So Hell's Kitchen is more important to T'Challa right now instead of his own damn kingdom? It's **** like this that cripples Marvel creatively. No wonder why new heroes can't get a chance to grow on fans. Everyone knows that what happens in New York is all that matters, so nobody gives a rat's ass when World War III is happening over the other side of the world unless Wolverine shows up and eats a cheeseburger.
And it's obvious that Matt is going to once again be Daredevil. I'm not feeling the reborn direction because Daredevil hasn't needed gimmicks like that in years.
Nightwing
09-15-2010, 01:42 PM
...Wow. I mean really, wow. I guess I'm not too surprised given the teasers we got, and I did say a few pages back I think we'd be getting BP as the new MWF. But at the same time I thought it was just to throw us off and we'd be getting someone like Falcon. The only real question now is what's the connection for Hell's Kitchen and T'Challa? I really hope this is explained, especially with what's going on with Wakanda.
A lot of questions here, but I'll be giving this a chance.
Also have you guys seen the vid from G4? It's got some art which looks pretty good and T'Challa in what kind of looks like a new suit.
Link here. (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/black-panther-daredevil-100914.html)
Interesting to note that if you pause it at 1:11 there's a newspaper hung up that reads "Black Panther Still Missing!" "Presumed Dead!!!" and then it pans to the left with T'Challa walking away from them under an umbrella looking down.
hippie_hunter
09-15-2010, 06:37 PM
I absolutely love both Black Panther and Daredevil. In fact, those two in addition to Captain America, JSA, and The Walking Dead are the only titles I buy monthly. With that being said, I think it is a really stupid idea to make Black Panther the new Man Without Fear. So T'Challa once again leaves his kingdom to go play hero in New York? What's worse is that this time the country really is in shambles because apparently Maberry made Wakanda so reliant on vibranium that they can even flush the toilet without having it coated in vibranium.
Unless there is some huge, looming threat to Wakanda in Hell's Kitchen, this makes T'Challa look like a jackass. He leaves his home and people in the worst state they have ever been to be a hero in Daredevil's playland? So Hell's Kitchen is more important to T'Challa right now instead of his own damn kingdom? It's **** like this that cripples Marvel creatively. No wonder why new heroes can't get a chance to grow on fans. Everyone knows that what happens in New York is all that matters, so nobody gives a rat's ass when World War III is happening over the other side of the world unless Wolverine shows up and eats a cheeseburger.
And it's obvious that Matt is going to once again be Daredevil. I'm not feeling the reborn direction because Daredevil hasn't needed gimmicks like that in years.
QFT :o
Midnyte_Sun
09-15-2010, 08:24 PM
So what do you all think of Shadowland? I havent picked up any of the comics because I missed the first two and figured it would be more convenient to read the entire run in TPB. Is it living up to the hype so far?
runawayboulder
09-15-2010, 08:58 PM
I've enjoyed it. The recent issue of DD stalled the story a bit. I've been avoiding all of the mini's.
I've only been reading Shadowland and DD. The DD issues are stronger than the Shadowland issues.
DD 510 was pretty good.
Overall though, I think this is a subpar Daredevil story.
Nightwing
09-16-2010, 01:40 PM
From marvel.com: (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.14002.black_panther~colon~_the_man_wi thout_fear)
Black Panther: The Man Without Fear
David Liss and Francesco Francavilla take T’Challa on a bold new adventure into the heart of Hell’s Kitchen
Posted: 2010-09-15 16:58:13 Updated: 2010-09-16 13:10:56
By Ben Morse
Beginning this December, T'Challa of Wakanda prowls a new kind of jungle and New York City gains a very different kind of protector as The Black Panther comes to Hell's Kitchen.
With issue #513, DAREDEVIL morphs into BLACK PANTHER: THE MAN WITHOUT FEAR under the guidance of writer David Liss and artist Francesco Francavilla as the fallout of Shadowland causes a drastic shift in the landscape of the Marvel Universe.
"T'Challa is no longer the king of Wakanda, and he has no more vibranium," says Liss, touching on recent changes to the life of his new leading man. "After the trials of DoomWar, he's looking to figure out who he is; what it means to be T'Challa without all the roles, responsibilities and powers that have defined him for so long. When an opportunity arises to relocate to Hell's Kitchen, it seems like exactly the kind of test he's looking for."
While Liss could not speak on what becomes of Hell's Kitchen's previous protector to necessitate this shift as those monumental events have yet to unfold in the pages of SHADOWLAND and its associated titles, he did reveal what brought an Edgar Award-winning novelist like himself to this project:
"I was extremely excited to have the chance to work on such an exciting reworking of an established Marvel hero and I've always been a big Daredevil fan, so the opportunity to tell a story set in that milieu was a real thrill for me.
"I am still relatively new to comics, but this is the third project I've done with Marvel, and I've learned an incredible amount over the past couple of years," continues the author, who last penned 2009's DARING MYSTERY COMICS 70TH ANNIVERSARY SPECIAL. "In many ways, scripting a comic book is a very different kind of writing [from doing novels], but in more important ways it is a variation on the kind of storytelling I've been doing for years."
Joining Liss and T'Challa will be artist Francesco Francavilla, who made a splash recently with his series of "Who Will Bet the New Man Without Fear?" posters and now looks forward to helping answer that very question.
"[T'Challa's look] is still very recognizable, [however] a few changes were needed since this is a new Black Panther who doesn't have all the high tech gear from Wakanda, but instead is more like an urban fighter in this metropolitan setting," explains Francavilla of his approach to the character. "The silhouette is still unmistakably Black Panther."
"Francesco is an amazing artist and I love seeing his spin on scripts," praises Liss. "His style is moody and atmospheric, but also vivid and dynamic. And this is my first time working with an artist who does his own colors, so it's great fun to get near finished pages showing up in my inbox."
But while Liss and Francavilla have forged a sturdy creative partnership, what has become of T'Challa's own partner, name his wife, Storm?
"Storm is with the X-Men in Utopia," reveals the writer. "[Her and T'Challa's] relationship has not changed; they are still married, in love and committed to each other. At the same time, they have their own things they have to do. Storm not only accepts that T'Challa has to be alone right now, she insists on it because she understands that is what he needs. T'Challa is out to test his limits and see what he's made of; that would be hard to do if every time he got in trouble Storm came flying in and zapped his enemies."
Expect those enemies to be a mix of faces familiar to longtime Daredevil fans as well as freshly dangerous threats such as the ominously-named Vlad the Impaler.
"I love the classic Hell's Kitchen villains and plan to bring some of them into these stories, but I wanted T'Challa to face someone new in the first arc," says Liss. "In the wake of Shadowland, it's a perfect time for an ambitious man who has been waiting for the right time to strike. Vlad is a Romanian immigrant who has been hired muscle for a long time but now is trying to establish himself as a power in New York City. He is a dedicated husband and parent, a fair and reasonable boss, and has a solid work ethic. He is also a brutal killer with super powers of his own [who] is determined to crush [T'Challa] before he becomes a real threat."
But external enemies won't comprise the Panther's only threats, as some of his greatest challenges come from within.
"As far as allies, he'll have some offers, but insist on going it alone and doing it secretly; it was important to me that I establish that T'Challa will never ask for help," Liss comments on the hero's outlook. "I also wanted to give him a secret identity that matters, so keeping to himself and keeping a low profile are difficulties he will regularly face.
"He will face a lot of moral dilemmas down the road. This is Hell's Kitchen after all, and things are very often not quite what they seem."
However, no matter how much the odds may be stacking up against The Black Panther, Liss still feels T'Challa can rise to the occasion-eventually.
"In this opening arc, we are going to see T'Challa take some blows, get beaten up, make some mistakes. He is still a man of purpose, honor and determination, but he is also figuring out his new limits, trying to make a place for himself in an alien culture and stepping into some very formidable shoes as he becomes a man without fear."
Nightwing
09-16-2010, 01:49 PM
ADVANCED PREVIEW: Black Panther: The Man Without Fear #513: (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28352)
Official Press Release
Marvel is pleased to announce that best-selling author David Liss and the acclaimed artist Francesco Francavilla will be launching the all-new Black Panther: The Man Without Fear this December! The smoke has cleared from the ruins of Shadowland and a new protector of Hell’s Kitchen is on the prowl. His name is T’Challa, the Black Panther! In a city without Daredevil and a dangerous knew foe called Vlad the Impaler consolidating power in the underworld, the Black Panther must learn to become a new type of hero. Without his riches, his technology, and his kingdom can T’Challa truly be the man without fear? Find out in Black Panther: The Man Without Fear #513!
BLACK PANTHER: THE MAN WITHOUT FEAR #513
Written by DAVID LISS
Penciled by FRANCESCO FRANCAVILLA
Cover by SIMONE BIANCHI
Variant Cover by FRANCESCO FRANCAVILLA
Rated T+ …$2.99
ON SALE IN DECEMBER!
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"Former Black Panther Still Missing! Presumed Dead!!!"...And Foggy!
Scarecrow_King
09-16-2010, 03:19 PM
I'm not a fan of all the straps and pouches on his costume. I'd rather see T'Challa taking down thugs will nothing but his own bare hands. He doesn't need all that crap.
kguillou
09-16-2010, 04:11 PM
Ok....that artwork has sold me on this. Still...where will Matt be during this??
The Geek Vault
09-16-2010, 04:15 PM
I love the art!
hippie_hunter
09-16-2010, 04:15 PM
Daredevil: Reborn.
kguillou
09-16-2010, 04:26 PM
Even though I dont think this gimmick will necessarily get new readers interested in Panther, I think this is a step in the right direction. I think BP will work well in the "urban jungle" setting as opposed to his wacky adventures in Wakanda. lol
roach
09-16-2010, 04:58 PM
Even though I dont think this gimmick will necessarily get new readers interested in Panther, I think this is a step in the right direction. I think BP will work well in the "urban jungle" setting as opposed to his wacky adventures in Wakanda. lol
like he would have in the Crew
runawayboulder
09-16-2010, 06:03 PM
That art is pretty f-ing badass! I never heard of Francesco Francavilla......
kguillou
09-16-2010, 07:13 PM
I never heard of David Liss..whats he done?
RockSP
09-16-2010, 07:39 PM
I think it is a really stupid idea to make Black Panther the new Man Without Fear. So T'Challa once again leaves his kingdom to go play hero in New York? What's worse is that this time the country really is in shambles because apparently Maberry made Wakanda so reliant on vibranium that they can even flush the toilet without having it coated in vibranium.
Unless there is some huge, looming threat to Wakanda in Hell's Kitchen, this makes T'Challa look like a jackass. He leaves his home and people in the worst state they have ever been to be a hero in Daredevil's playland? So Hell's Kitchen is more important to T'Challa right now instead of his own damn kingdom? It's **** like this that cripples Marvel creatively. No wonder why new heroes can't get a chance to grow on fans. Everyone knows that what happens in New York is all that matters, so nobody gives a rat's ass when World War III is happening over the other side of the world unless Wolverine shows up and eats a cheeseburger.
^^What he said.
E-Man
09-16-2010, 08:28 PM
I like the art. I'm going to give it a shot since it kinda involves two of my favorite characters, and it could turn out to be a well written story despite my issues with the premise of the story.
JewishHobbit
09-16-2010, 09:11 PM
I don't know. The art really is great, and I'm interested in Foggy there, but I just don't think I want to deal with this. If there is no real connection to Daredevil Reborn I'll likely pass on it.
Donald Thomas
09-17-2010, 03:13 AM
Aloha,
I'm liking the art in this new series. WAAAAY back in Daredeveil #52 T'Challa and DD first met. In #69 T'Challa told DD that he knew his secret identity.These two go way back.If this leads back into T'Challa returning to Wakanda as a reinvigorated leader-great.
Spidey rules except in Wakanda
kguillou
09-17-2010, 08:22 AM
Thanks for the info Donald Thomas, i was gonna ask if DD and BP were ever close at all. They havent really been around each other recently.
RockSP
09-17-2010, 10:09 AM
His new costume reminds me of when Kasper "White Tiger" Cole was briefly Black Panther. In fact Kole would make more sense in this new role than T'challa...
roach
09-17-2010, 11:05 AM
His new costume reminds me of when Kasper "White Tiger" Cole was briefly Black Panther. In fact Kole would make more sense in this new role than T'challa...
exactly...infact there are other street level heroes who would have made more sense
Iron Fist
Tarantula
White Tiger
E-Man
09-17-2010, 11:37 AM
What would make more sense is if T'Challa was in New York doing business with the United Nations after Wakanda's issue with Doom, and knowing that Matt isn't Daredevil again he decides to look after Hell's Kitchen while he's stuck in New York dealing with bureaucracy or something else political. He needs to have a damn good reason to be outside of Wakanda for this to work. Maybe Kingpin has the key to vibranium or something. Of course that make Wakanda look like a bunch of dumb asses if some crime lord from New York knows more about vibranium than all of their experience using it for 10,000 years.
E-Man
09-17-2010, 11:38 AM
double
Nightwing
09-17-2010, 01:09 PM
I like the art. I'm going to give it a shot since it kinda involves two of my favorite characters, and it could turn out to be a well written story despite my issues with the premise of the story.
Agreed. This is pretty much how I feel regarding the whole thing.
Donald Thomas
09-17-2010, 03:22 PM
Thanks for the info Donald Thomas, i was gonna ask if DD and BP were ever close at all. They havent really been around each other recently.
Aloha,
Thanks. If memory serves me correct, there was also a time when T'Challa posed as DD to help him out. Can anyone prove or disprove that?
Spidey rules except in Wakanda
RockSP
09-17-2010, 04:09 PM
Aloha,
If memory serves me correct, there was also a time when T'Challa posed as DD to help him out. Can anyone prove or disprove that?
I remember that from an old issue of Marvel Team-Up.
Donald Thomas
09-17-2010, 10:30 PM
I remember that from an old issue of Marvel Team-Up.
Aloha,
Gold plated No Prize-What issue?:yay:
Spidey rules except in Wakanda
Donald Thomas
09-18-2010, 04:33 PM
Aloha,
No one knows the answer?
Hint-It WAS NOT in an issue of Marvel Team UP! :cwink:
Spidey rules except in Wakanda
Donald Thomas
09-19-2010, 01:04 PM
Aloha,
Nobody? Well I guess this is one of those times it pays to have a long memory.
T'Challa is one of the first super heroes to know that Matt Murdock was DD.In DD #92,DD asked T'Challa to come from Wakanda to wear his DD costume to protect his secret identity.While we have not seen the two together in a long time, they have been friends since the 1960's.The idea of BP being the new Man without Fear(for a while) is very consistent with DD continuity.
Spidey rules
hippie_hunter
09-19-2010, 02:31 PM
Aloha,
Nobody? Well I guess this is one of those times it pays to have a long memory.
T'Challa is one of the first super heroes to know that Matt Murdock was DD.In DD #92,DD asked T'Challa to come from Wakanda to wear his DD costume to protect his secret identity.While we have not seen the two together in a long time, they have been friends since the 1960's.The idea of BP being the new Man without Fear(for a while) is very consistent with DD continuity.
Spidey rules
No not really. In order for this to work, you need Black Panther and Daredevil interact far more often. Black Panther is nowhere near being a part of Daredevil's inner circle. Both Black Panther and Daredevil have interacted with other heroes throughout their long histories, they can be friends, but they aren't close friends.
Also it's an insult to Black Panther's character due to the fact that Wakanda is in a very dire situation now and needs his leadership.
Instead you have their King in Hell's Kitchen, which can be easily defended by the bajillion superheroes in NYC (Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, Captain America, the Falcon, Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Misty Knight, Colleen Wing, Black Widow, Dr. Strange, Ms. Marvel, and you have Iron Man, Thor, and Wolverine constantly popping up in the city); their Queen is in San Fransisco (where the X-Men have up to 200 other mutants protecting the city); and Princess Regent now going all over the world from the Savage Land and more. It's nothing short of 100% irresponsibility of the Wakandan Royal Family. They're basically telling their subjects to go screw themselves while they go off to areas that have more than adequate amounts of protection.
I also find the Black Panther to be far more interesting in being a part of the top 8 most intelligent men in the MU and being a king like Namor, Thor/Balder, and Dr. Doom, instead of a Batman ripoff.
kguillou
09-19-2010, 02:54 PM
Wait, how could T'challa have worn DD's costume and no one noticed anything. DD's costume reveals his skin tone and....T'challa and Murdock dont have the same skin tone???
RockSP
09-19-2010, 03:22 PM
No one knows the answer?
Hint-It WAS NOT in an issue of Marvel Team UP! :cwink:
Hmmm...guess I'm thinking of a different storyline then.
Nightwing
09-19-2010, 03:46 PM
Jock, who will be helming artistic duties for DD: Reborn, recently did this sketch:
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/9985/1001982w.jpg
Donald Thomas
09-19-2010, 07:52 PM
Wait, how could T'challa have worn DD's costume and no one noticed anything. DD's costume reveals his skin tone and....T'challa and Murdock dont have the same skin tone???
Aloha,
He wore a mask.http://www.donaldspidermanthomas.com/html/comics/2_limited/blackpanther_files/DD_BP_without_fearL.jpg
Spidey rules except in Wakanda
Donald Thomas
09-20-2010, 01:05 AM
No not really. In order for this to work, you need Black Panther and Daredevil interact far more often. Black Panther is nowhere near being a part of Daredevil's inner circle. Both Black Panther and Daredevil have interacted with other heroes throughout their long histories, they can be friends, but they aren't close friends.
Also it's an insult to Black Panther's character due to the fact that Wakanda is in a very dire situation now and needs his leadership.
Instead you have their King in Hell's Kitchen, which can be easily defended by the bajillion superheroes in NYC (Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, Captain America, the Falcon, Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Misty Knight, Colleen Wing, Black Widow, Dr. Strange, Ms. Marvel, and you have Iron Man, Thor, and Wolverine constantly popping up in the city); their Queen is in San Fransisco (where the X-Men have up to 200 other mutants protecting the city); and Princess Regent now going all over the world from the Savage Land and more. It's nothing short of 100% irresponsibility of the Wakandan Royal Family. They're basically telling their subjects to go screw themselves while they go off to areas that have more than adequate amounts of protection.
I also find the Black Panther to be far more interesting in being a part of the top 8 most intelligent men in the MU and being a king like Namor, Thor/Balder, and Dr. Doom, instead of a Batman ripoff.
Aloha,
While not a Batman rip off, I don't want to see T'Challa disappear from the 1st tier within the Marvel U.When you look at the total BP mythos, you see him out of Wakanda as much as within( this has been the case throughout his history).Look at how Priest's run with T'Challa ended.I'll take him in Hell's Kitchen over a mentally unbalanced monarch. Personally, I want a much more in depth look into Wakandan society.Even without vibranium, they have diamonds, uranium and other resources.Even without the monarch being physically present for lengths of time, they still have a stable society.What's a typical day like for a Wakandan? I don't recall ever reading stories that give that kind of insight.Shuri is the new Black Panther of Wakanda.And yes, I agree, you will not find any mention of Shuri as T'Challa's sister in ANY bio of Black Panther before Hudlin.Bottom line-BP is the first super hero
to know DD's secret identity. DD called on BP to help him preserve his identity by wearing the DD costume. Black Panther the Man without Fear is an idea that was first introduced in Daredevil #92 back in the 1960's.If this new series is T'Challa's way of getting his focus back on his life in relationship to Wakanda and his marriage to Storm, then I'm willing to give it a try.
Spidey rules except in Wakanda
Scarecrow_King
09-20-2010, 09:05 AM
yeah, sure, he may have been the first to know DD's identity. but when was the last time they met? it's been quite a freaking long time.
Donald Thomas
09-20-2010, 12:39 PM
yeah, sure, he may have been the first to know DD's identity. but when was the last time they met? it's been quite a freaking long time.
Aloha,
Ages.But does not seeing a friend for a long time stop that person from being your friend?
Spidey rules except in Wakanda
Scarecrow_King
09-20-2010, 12:41 PM
well, you can call yourself a friend. but that doesn't mean you actually do anything about it. I've got hundreds of "friends" on facebook that I never talk to and really couldn't care less about.
If T'challa didn't bother to help or give advice during Matt's outing like Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, Captain America, and Reed Richards did (I know T'Challa had his own thing going on), I don't think he really should be stepping in here.
Donald Thomas
09-20-2010, 09:06 PM
well, you can call yourself a friend. but that doesn't mean you actually do anything about it. I've got hundreds of "friends" on facebook that I never talk to and really couldn't care less about.
If T'challa didn't bother to help or give advice during Matt's outing like Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, Captain America, and Reed Richards did (I know T'Challa had his own thing going on), I don't think he really should be stepping in here.
Aloha,
But that's the beauty of comic books. How do we know that all the years that BP was in NY with the Avengers and then during the Priest run when he lived in NY, that he never had contact with Murdock.BP hosted the Illuminati but did not participate. Does that mean that he had no contact with those members after his wedding and then Civil War.In my opinion, the first 100 issues of a comic serves as the foundation of that charcters continuity and mythos. The relationship between BP and DD, was established within those first 100 issues. Just because many were not alive during that time, in no way minimizes the fact that the relationship is canon.
Spidey rules except in Wakanda
Scarecrow_King
09-20-2010, 09:25 PM
yeah, I wouldn't care if Black Panther was in the very first Daredevil and every single of the first 100 issues. If we don't see them interacting for the next 400, we have no reason to believe they have.
I'm sure this'll be retconned to them being BFFs that whole time or something at some point of BP's Man Without Fear run. but this still makes no sense to me. there are other, better choices to replace Matt in Hell's Kitchen.
Docker2.0
09-20-2010, 10:14 PM
Dude must you start off every post with hola?
And T'challa as DD is a horrible idea. He's BP period, not some chick who is the character for the moment. Not saying the stories are not good(I don't know because I stopped buying BP when she took the mantle)but he's BP.
hippie_hunter
09-20-2010, 10:26 PM
yeah, I wouldn't care if Black Panther was in the very first Daredevil and every single of the first 100 issues. If we don't see them interacting for the next 400, we have no reason to believe they have.
I'm sure this'll be retconned to them being BFFs that whole time or something at some point of BP's Man Without Fear run. but this still makes no sense to me. there are other, better choices to replace Matt in Hell's Kitchen.
You mean sorta like how Hudlin did with Black Panther and various heroes like Luke Cage and Black Goliath?
Scarecrow_King
09-20-2010, 11:25 PM
I don't know, I haven't read any of that run. this story just seems to lend itself to flashbacks revealing that they've secretly been best buddies this whole time or something.
hippie_hunter
09-21-2010, 10:23 AM
Aloha,
While not a Batman rip off, I don't want to see T'Challa disappear from the 1st tier within the Marvel U.When you look at the total BP mythos, you see him out of Wakanda as much as within( this has been the case throughout his history).Look at how Priest's run with T'Challa ended.I'll take him in Hell's Kitchen over a mentally unbalanced monarch. Personally, I want a much more in depth look into Wakandan society.Even without vibranium, they have diamonds, uranium and other resources.Even without the monarch being physically present for lengths of time, they still have a stable society.What's a typical day like for a Wakandan? I don't recall ever reading stories that give that kind of insight.Shuri is the new Black Panther of Wakanda.And yes, I agree, you will not find any mention of Shuri as T'Challa's sister in ANY bio of Black Panther before Hudlin.Bottom line-BP is the first super hero
to know DD's secret identity. DD called on BP to help him preserve his identity by wearing the DD costume. Black Panther the Man without Fear is an idea that was first introduced in Daredevil #92 back in the 1960's.If this new series is T'Challa's way of getting his focus back on his life in relationship to Wakanda and his marriage to Storm, then I'm willing to give it a try.
Spidey rules except in Wakanda
I'm not saying that he is a Batman rip-off.....yet. But this direction of having Black Panther becoming an urban vigilante wearing a black Batman like costume makes it look like he's becoming a Batman rip-off.
And I'm not saying that he should be a mentally unbalanced monarch. Quite the opposite. I want to see him be the most competent monarch in the Marvel Universe. I want to see him take part in adventures that take advantage of the fact that he is in the top 8 smartest men in the MU. But instead what we're getting is something that will make T'Challa the most incompetent monarch.
I would find it to be more interesting to have T'Challa attempt to rebuild Wakanda after the events of Doomwar. What Black Panther needs is a little bit of a break for a couple of years and then bring on a new writer that would bring in an awesome blend of politics, science, and magic.
E-Man
09-21-2010, 12:19 PM
Instead of giving T'Challa Daredevil's old title, they should have given him his old writer, Brubaker. Sounds like a more reasonable trade to me.:awesome:
hippie_hunter
09-21-2010, 12:26 PM
Brubaker would make an awesome Panther writer.
venom892
10-02-2010, 07:43 PM
Just recently caught up on Shadowland.I'm really enjoying it.I was thinking of picking up the Elektra one shot.I liked the Ghost Rider one(Which kinda is important to the overall story) but skipped the Bullseye one shot since I heard it wasn't that good.So is the Elektra one worth it?
NightBeetle
10-15-2010, 11:20 AM
Black Panther: The Man Without Fear #513 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=6706&disp=table)
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DAREDEVIL #511 Preview (http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=39080)
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Nightwing
10-20-2010, 01:16 PM
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/499/21blackpantherthemanwit.jpg
BLACK PANTHER: THE MAN WITHOUT FEAR #514
Written by DAVID LISS
Penciled by FRANCESCO FRANCAVILLA
Cover by SIMONE BIANCHI
Luke Cage guest stars as T’Challa’s new adventure in NYC continues! The former King of Wakanda has sworn to protect the mean streets of Hell’s Kitchen, and while battling the mob is one thing, how does he stop a killer targeting innocent people? It’s a deadly game of cat-and-mouse, as T’Challa hunts ruthless new crime lord Vlad the Impaler, while Vlad concocts a desperate and bloody scheme to entrap the mysterious new vigilante that’s ruining his plans. T’Challa learns what it really means to be a man without fear, courtesy of award-winning thriller novelist David Liss and the pulp-tastic art of Francesco Francavilla!
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99
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DAREDEVIL: REBORN #1 (of 4)
Written by ANDY DIGGLE
Art by DAVIDE GIANFELICE
Cover by JOCK
The apocalyptic events of SHADOWLAND have left the once-proud legacy of Daredevil in tatters. Now, far from the mean streets of Hell's Kitchen, a new evil is rising, and the only man crazy enough to face it is a man with nothing left to lose. The road to Hell was paved with good intentions, but the long road to redemption is the far harder path...
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$3.99
So, is Storm and Black Panther still married?
JewishHobbit
10-21-2010, 08:09 AM
Last I heard yeah, but I don't read Black Panther so I can't say for certain.
Scarecrow_King
10-22-2010, 01:00 PM
yeah. the writer said that he's explore the relationship between them and explain that Storm understands why T'challa runs off to NY.
now if only they can get US to understand why he's running off to NY to fill a role he's had no real association with for fifteen years.
Harlekin
10-23-2010, 07:01 AM
That's a pretty cool cover (Daredevil: Reborn #1).
venom892
10-23-2010, 12:45 PM
http://cdn.the-gutters.com/comics/1e0efed0918644fc1fd0464c5ac2afbfdffd7840.jpg
:D
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