how shounld play the boy wonder

[cjhill_14]

sorry if someone has already discussed this topic i an new here.so who do u think should get the job,the ownly thing i want form this robin is that he be a kid all the robin's ever to play the kid is like 35 year old even the cartoons.

[Two-Face]

No Robin.

[Eddie Dean]

Robin/Nightwing/Dick Grayson- Wes Bently
http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/personalidades/atores/wes-bentley/wes-bentley01.jpg

Robin/Tim Drake- Logan Lerman
http://gfx.filmweb.pl/p/7760/po.67504.jpg

[I Am The Knight]

The boy wonder huh? I like the idea of Bentley. If only I liked the idea of Robin at all....

[javi1024]

Robin/Nightwing/Dick Grayson- Wes Bently
http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/personalidades/atores/wes-bentley/wes-bentley01.jpg

Robin/Tim Drake- Logan Lerman
http://gfx.filmweb.pl/p/7760/po.67504.jpg
i havent seen any of wes bentley's movies but he looks like a Robin, but its still too early to bring in robin in the films.

[I Am The Knight]

I saw him (Bentley) in Teh Four Feathers or somethink like that. He's not a bad actor in my book.

[The Chairman]

Wes Bentley is too old for Robin. He's going to be 30 in two years.

Anyway, my pick for Robin is Haley Joel Osment. Granted, by the time Robin is brought back onto the screen, Osment would be too old for the part as well, but as of now, I'm making him my top pick for the part.

Dye his hair black and have him put a little muscle on, and I think he'd do quite well.

http://images.easyart.com/i/prints/rw/lg/2/3/Celebrity-Image-Haley-Joel-Osment-231094.jpg
http://www.senstad.com/htmls/haley.joel.osment3.gif

[Robin91939]

Haley Joel Osment has gotten real weird and goofy looking. He doesn't look right as Robin.

I would prefer Tylor Hochilen, though he's too old now or maybe Zac Effron.

-R

[Katsuro]

Whoever ends up playing Robin is probably quite young by now. I dont expect to see him until at least the 4th film, and that's some time away.

[wikum]

Is that Anakin Skywalker? How old is he now?

No Robin please. No matter what anyone says, he will always make Batman weaker.

[Robin91939]

Does anyone else think that Wes Bently would have made a PERFECT Peter Parker... based on looks alone?

-R

[COMPO]

They could make robin darker not as darker as batman but still dark.

[wikum]

They could make robin darker not as darker as batman but still dark.


They would have to.

Chris O'Donnel :down

[El Payaso]

No Robin.

The only way.

[wikum]

The only way.

To be honest, I completly agree.

[COMPO]

But you just agreed with me.

[patrickbateman]

they're going to get robin in the 4th movie i guess it may work if they go with the terry mc ginns way have him steal d dam suit spray paint it with an R of course bruce's starts to see him as a reflection of him self that may go down to path of evil if not properly counseled who knows i would love to see Rah Al Ghul come back and try to recurit young grayson

[DGrayson]

If robin is ever on the movies how old should he be? I mean if that harry potter dude is like 16 and he is playing a 14 year old how old has the actor gotta be? and please don't answer no robin.

[COMPO]

wHY WOULD YOU THINK THAT THAT HARRY POTTER GUY WOULD BE ANY GOOD. SORRY ABOUT THE FUNNY WRITING I JUST CAN'T BE ASSED TAKING THE AP LOCK OFF.

[patrickbateman]

my choice for robin- dick grayson

http://www.celebrity-pictures-world.com/pics/j/jamie-bell/jamie-bell-006.jpg

jamie bell the second actor ever to be awarded Outstanding Performance by a Young Actor from the National Board of Review, USA. The first was fellow Brit Christian Bale in 1987 (then titled Outstanding Juvenile Performance) for Empire of the Sun (1987).


talk about reflection :)

[patrickbateman]

for me robin 1 should be around 17-18 he has to be a more enraged version of bruce thats how i would see Dick Grayson. cause unlike bruce he didnt have the destraction of a high fly lifestyle this is a guy who's a rebel

[DGrayson]

I'm not thinking the harry potter dude can act, he sucks. What I meant is how old the actor who ever plays robin should be, because that guy is playing a 14 year old and he's 16. So he's two years older than the character and no one complains but if someone plays robin he's like 35 or something. So my question is how old should the actor who ever plays robin should be?

[patrickbateman]

i would go the O'Donnel approach wouldnt make him a kid like the comic books cause lets face it that doesnt work in nolan's world. Terry Mcginns from batman beyond now that's what works have him balance both sides of his life... give him a chick as well for emotional support :) he picks up skill and contacts from bruce, learns from bruce's mistakes..at the same time he starts to stand on his own two feet. which should be from the begining he's not the robotic side kick he wants to get out and be on his own which i guess prepares the audience for nightwing.

[Ronny Shade]

Ummm...a lot of people DO complain about the Harry Potter kids being too old. I think theyre crazy.

Nobody complains about Ben McKenzie being 27 and plaing an 18 year old. Same for Tom Welling.

[patrickbateman]

17 to 18 yrs old

[patrickbateman]

AS LONG A ITS NOT THESE TWO

http://www.marinery_spfc.blogger.com.br/Aaron%20e%20Nick%20Carter.jpg

[Ronny Shade]

I think Robin should be a 14 year old Asian martial arts prodigy. One of those kids you see on like kung fu world championship ages 13-15. The origin would have to be totally different, but the acrobat thing doesnt make that much sense.

[StorminNorman]

Actually I like Daniel Radcliff for Robin - as good a young actor out there IMO.

[Ronny Shade]

only if he can do an american accent, Norm

[StorminNorman]

only if he can do an american accent, Norm

yes, but I have a feeling he could learn it if he doesnt already. He has been forced in the spotlight early so it is entirely possible he picked it up.

[Keyser Sushi]

Dan Radcliffe is a decent actor, and a right bloke. Also he's got the physicality. He looks rather strong.

However I think he's too recognizeable an actor, now. And he's on the verge of being too old, if you want my opinion.

I'm in the minority who actually thinks that Robin should be cast young. Not TOO young, as if he's too young, he can't really be a good fighter, but if he's too old it demeans the actor and the character.

Robin should be between 13 to 14 years old. He should be a very intense, angry kid. Anybody who thinks a 13 year old boy can't carry off rage doesn't remember what it's like to be a 13 year old boy, and probably has led a very comfortable life.

A 13 year old orphan would be VERY pissed off pretty much of the time. I think that's important. A younger kid will be more dramatically affected by his parents' death (as Bruce was) and would begin his training at the age that Bruce did (in the comics). The difference is that Robin has a Batman to train under.

For people who say that Batman would never endanger a child, you miss the obvious question: suppose the kid was going to go out and try to avenge his parents regardless of what Bruce did? If Bruce couldn't stop Dick from trying to avenge his parents, then the obvious way to ensure Dick's safety is to make sure he's got the training to pull it off. Focus his rage and his guilt into something constructive, as Bruce did.

Now, with all of that said... I love the character of Robin but I don't think he should be in the movies, ever. Just because by and large people prefer Batman solo anyway. I do, too, as much as I like Robin. Oh well...

[StorminNorman]

Your right Keyser of course, but I always so a similarity to the character of Bruce Wayne and Harry Potter - or atleast the potential for it. Thus it was that idea that made me want Radcliffe to play Robin.

Maybe Radcliffe for Terry McGuiness? LOL

[Keyser Sushi]

Your right Keyser of course, but I always so a similarity to the character of Bruce Wayne and Harry Potter - or atleast the potential for it. Thus it was that idea that made me want Radcliffe to play Robin.

Maybe Radcliffe for Terry McGuiness? LOL

You're right about Harry Potter and Bruce Wayne, though. I especially enjoyed Harry's angry stage in "Order of the Phoenix". He was a right git for a while there, but it was so understandable. Harry is an orphan who is a hero, who is going to avenge his parents, who is a symbol of hope for his people.

And I do hope Dan Radcliffe, if he wants to continue acting after HP, can avoid the inevitable typecasting box people are going to want to stick him in. Giving him another iconic character to play can help that, I think - like Patrick Stewart being Charles Xavier.

And, as I said, I do believe that Radcliffe could play the role, no question. I think he'd be a good Terry McGinnis, too. :up:

[Ronny Shade]

Dan Radcliffe is a decent actor, and a right bloke. Also he's got the physicality. He looks rather strong.

However I think he's too recognizeable an actor, now. And he's on the verge of being too old, if you want my opinion.

I'm in the minority who actually thinks that Robin should be cast young. Not TOO young, as if he's too young, he can't really be a good fighter, but if he's too old it demeans the actor and the character.

Robin should be between 13 to 14 years old. He should be a very intense, angry kid. Anybody who thinks a 13 year old boy can't carry off rage doesn't remember what it's like to be a 13 year old boy, and probably has led a very comfortable life.

A 13 year old orphan would be VERY pissed off pretty much of the time. I think that's important. A younger kid will be more dramatically affected by his parents' death (as Bruce was) and would begin his training at the age that Bruce did (in the comics). The difference is that Robin has a Batman to train under.

For people who say that Batman would never endanger a child, you miss the obvious question: suppose the kid was going to go out and try to avenge his parents regardless of what Bruce did? If Bruce couldn't stop Dick from trying to avenge his parents, then the obvious way to ensure Dick's safety is to make sure he's got the training to pull it off. Focus his rage and his guilt into something constructive, as Bruce did.

Now, with all of that said... I love the character of Robin but I don't think he should be in the movies, ever. Just because by and large people prefer Batman solo anyway. I do, too, as much as I like Robin. Oh well...

That was beautiful. It goes perfectly with everything Robin should be.

I would be happy to see Robin in a 4th or 5th movie or later, especially if theyre just gonna keep making Batman movies like Bond movies (except theyd be good) I definitely want him later on down the line. If this is gonna be a 3-movie franchise and then end (:() then there are more important things to do than Robin.

[Keyser Sushi]

That was beautiful. It goes perfectly with everything Robin should be.

Thanks. :)

I would be happy to see Robin in a 4th or 5th movie or later, especially if theyre just gonna keep making Batman movies like Bond movies (except theyd be good) I definitely want him later on down the line. If this is gonna be a 3-movie franchise and then end (:() then there are more important things to do than Robin.

Well said. :up:

[StorminNorman]

You're right about Harry Potter and Bruce Wayne, though. I especially enjoyed Harry's angry stage in "Order of the Phoenix". He was a right git for a while there, but it was so understandable. Harry is an orphan who is a hero, who is going to avenge his parents, who is a symbol of hope for his people.

And I do hope Dan Radcliffe, if he wants to continue acting after HP, can avoid the inevitable typecasting box people are going to want to stick him in. Giving him another iconic character to play can help that, I think - like Patrick Stewart being Charles Xavier.

And, as I said, I do believe that Radcliffe could play the role, no question. I think he'd be a good Terry McGinnis, too. :up:

Yes, OOTP I think was HP at its best- funny since HBP was HP at its worst, but oh well. Atleast I am not the onlyone who gets the connection - actually I have had the idea of writing a fanfiction combinging the two worlds, but I am still deciding whether or not to attempt it.

[Ronny Shade]

I think whoever's gonna play Terry McGinnis is totally under the radar right now. Because they're not gonna make that movie for a few years yet, if that. Radcliffe would not be my first choice. Instead I think Keyser and I should collaborate on a script and come up with a new iconic hero for him to play :).

[StorminNorman]

I think whoever's gonna play Terry McGinnis is totally under the radar right now. Because they're not gonna make that movie for a few years yet, if that. Radcliffe would not be my first choice. Instead I think Keyser and I should collaborate on a script and come up with a new iconic hero for him to play :).

Well I am currently working on a Comic Book (titled Stormin Norman lol) about a young, niave, idealistic Senator who is shocked and disgusted by the absolute corruption of Washington and vowes to make it right by an means. Think Batman, on Capital Hill.

Loose the British accent and he could play Senator Norman.

[Ronny Shade]

:up:


...but don't you have to be 35 to be a Senator?

[StorminNorman]

:up:


...but don't you have to be 35 to be a Senator?

no 30, but still a good point. Hmm...blast. Well with the rate I am going maybe Radcliffe will be 30 by then...

[Ronny Shade]

Ah, yes. 35 is President.

How about a Superhero buddy movie starring Daniel Radcliffe and Frankie Muniz??

[Robin91939]

I think Robin should be a 14 year old Asian martial arts prodigy. One of those kids you see on like kung fu world championship ages 13-15. The origin would have to be totally different, but the acrobat thing doesnt make that much sense.
Seriously why do we have to change his race to make him more realistic? Also, why perpetuate the stereotype that only Asians, well, actually Orientals (cause I'm not sure Russians are very good at martial arts) are the only ones good at martial arts. A white kid from the city could study and master martial arts. Or we could actually follow the comics and have him be an acrobat, which DO exist.

I actually like what Frank Miller is doing with the Robin origin. Having Batman have his eye on him for a while as a recruit.

-R

[vantaztik_trace]

for all you guys out there the next robin is supposed to be frankie nuniz, however be vigilant coz in the begins movie, remember who bats gave his zapper too on the streets one night up on a balcony before being confronted by the scarecrow?
Yep you got it, its the boy who ses my friends wont believe me i saw you?
Another thing, joker: joaquin phoenix or adriene brody?
riddler: sean hayes will and grace fame, john malcovich,
Pengy: paul giarmatti planet of the apes,
catwoman: charleze theron monster?
two-face: johnny depp, how do i know this...?
Tracy_B! Southampton UK

[Two-Face]

That boy is not Robin in BB.

[Katsuro]

Dan Radcliffe is a decent actor, and a right bloke. Also he's got the physicality. He looks rather strong.

However I think he's too recognizeable an actor, now. And he's on the verge of being too old, if you want my opinion.

I'm in the minority who actually thinks that Robin should be cast young. Not TOO young, as if he's too young, he can't really be a good fighter, but if he's too old it demeans the actor and the character.

Robin should be between 13 to 14 years old. He should be a very intense, angry kid. Anybody who thinks a 13 year old boy can't carry off rage doesn't remember what it's like to be a 13 year old boy, and probably has led a very comfortable life.

A 13 year old orphan would be VERY pissed off pretty much of the time. I think that's important. A younger kid will be more dramatically affected by his parents' death (as Bruce was) and would begin his training at the age that Bruce did (in the comics). The difference is that Robin has a Batman to train under.

For people who say that Batman would never endanger a child, you miss the obvious question: suppose the kid was going to go out and try to avenge his parents regardless of what Bruce did? If Bruce couldn't stop Dick from trying to avenge his parents, then the obvious way to ensure Dick's safety is to make sure he's got the training to pull it off. Focus his rage and his guilt into something constructive, as Bruce did.

Now, with all of that said... I love the character of Robin but I don't think he should be in the movies, ever. Just because by and large people prefer Batman solo anyway. I do, too, as much as I like Robin. Oh well...

My feeling exactly, except for the end. If this franchise goes past 3 films, Robin should be introduced in the 4th. Personally, I think Robin's a cool character who just gets a bad rap because of negative misconceptions about the character. The comics of the 50s and 60s and the old TV show dont help at all. Putting Robin in a movie and actually making him dark and serious could do wonders for the character and show people that hes not just some annoying kid in pixie boots.

[GoldGoblin]

No Robin.

^:up: :up:

[Keyser Sushi]

My feeling exactly, except for the end. If this franchise goes past 3 films, Robin should be introduced in the 4th. Personally, I think Robin's a cool character who just gets a bad rap because of negative misconceptions about the character. The comics of the 50s and 60s and the old TV show dont help at all. Putting Robin in a movie and actually making him dark and serious could do wonders for the character and show people that hes not just some annoying kid in pixie boots.

I agree the Robin is very misunderstood and it would be well to see him done properly. But Batman is generally a more interesting character without Robin. Hell, even in the comics, right after they put Tim Drake in the suit, the first thing they did was ship him off to Paris so Batman could go back to being a loner.

Kind of strange, that.

[Ronny Shade]

Seriously why do we have to change his race to make him more realistic? Also, why perpetuate the stereotype that only Asians, well, actually Orientals (cause I'm not sure Russians are very good at martial arts) are the only ones good at martial arts. A white kid from the city could study and master martial arts. Or we could actually follow the comics and have him be an acrobat, which DO exist.

I actually like what Frank Miller is doing with the Robin origin. Having Batman have his eye on him for a while as a recruit.

-R
Well, many martial arts of of Asian origin (Karate, Kung-fu, Ninjitsu). In that highly unlikely portrayal of Robin, he'd be from a (probably) Chinese family who is steeped in the tradition of a particular martial art. He would have been training practically since birth. It's less likely an American couple is going to do that to their kid. He would be orphaned in the film and have a new sensei in Batman rather than his Father or Uncle or whoever it was before. It's just an idea.

[The Techno Bat]

Haley Joel Osment has gotten real weird and goofy looking. He doesn't look right as Robin.

I would prefer Tylor Hochilen, though he's too old now or maybe Zac Effron.

-R

I agree with the Zac Efron pick or perhaps even Ricky Ullman (from Phil of the Future) both are 20 I believe

Ricky Ullman:
http://www.thestarscoop.com/photos/ricky_ullman.jpg

[Ronny Shade]

Zac Efron's too old.

Rick Ulman looks younger, so that may be worth a shot. I don't see him beating anybody up, though...but I could be proven wrong, the guy's great :up:

[The Techno Bat]

I think for Robin to really work in these films he should be an understudy and perhaps stick to the background, hang out in The Tumbler, be a computer whiz, and get involved in fights when absolutely needed.

[Ronny Shade]

Could work. But I like Keyser's angry kid thing better. Computer whiz is what Oracle's for. I think we can all agree that Babs should go straight to Oracle and if there's going to be a Batgirl it should be Cassandra.

[Keyser Sushi]

What? No Babs Batgirl? But... but... I like Babsy as Batgirl... although... the Oracle thing does make sense, I agree. Functionally it's a more important job.

And yeah... angry butt-kicking kid is the only way to do Robin.

[StorminNorman]

If Ricky Ullman is a candidate I see no reason why Dan Radcliffe cant be - Radcliffe is a good 4 years younger than Ullman. I think if Robin should be introduced at the right ole age of 16-17, that way having him get into potentially dangerous situations would not be as shocking as it would for an early teenage. Also Batman should try to keep him as far away from the actual action as possible - using him more as a scout, leading to tension between the pair.

Also like Keyser said, make him a darker, angry kid - again Harry from OOTP.

[Ronny Shade]

Yeah all these guys will be too old by the time we need a Robin.

And I like Babs Batgirl too, but feasibly she's a stretch.

[Robin91939]

I agree with the Zac Efron pick or perhaps even Ricky Ullman (from Phil of the Future) both are 20 I believe

Ricky Ullman:
http://www.thestarscoop.com/photos/ricky_ullman.jpg
Yeah, I've been thinking about Ullman.....he's 20? Wow, I look older than him, and I'm nearly 18.

-R

[Ronny Shade]

Ulman would work because he's short. (plus he looks young) Aesthetically, Robin should be significantly shorter than Batman.

That's why I say no to Zac Efron, because he's kinda tall.

[StorminNorman]

Shia Lebouf for Robin! (DAMMIT!)

[ChrisBaleBatman]

No.......please....no......

[StorminNorman]

No.......please....no......
He was great in I, Robot and in Constantine. Plus he gave a great acting performance in The Greatest Game Ever Played - the guy has talent.

[Ronny Shade]

Norm, its "LaBeouf."

[StorminNorman]

Norm, its "LaBeouf."

I dont need no Yankie Yale Pretty Boy to tell me how to spell, but then again you are no Yale Pretty Boy, you are the Goddamn Grammar Batman - so I will listen to your help.

[Ronny Shade]

Just trying to keep you on the right path, GrammarHarvey. :batman:

[Soundwave88]

No Robin!!!

[DV8]

I know a good actor to play Robin:









Nobody . . . cuz Robin fuackin sucks it!

[Two-Face]

No Robin!!!

Yep agree.:up:

[Ronny Shade]

Not for the first 3 movies. After that, IMO, Robin's fair game.

[Two-Face]

I'm sorry but I didn't like Robin in movies or comics, he's just a waste of space in fact Bat-family sucks not Batman himself, I just prefer Dark Knight working alone, I was against Chris O'Donnell playing Robin in BF but if Nolan stays for fourth movie then maybe I could see Robin in BB4. Christian Bale don't like Robin and WB as well so it's unlikely that Robin will be in new franchise unless fans boycott the fourth movie.

[vantaztik_trace]

Frankie Muniz is Robin...I know...Keep telling you americans...but all I get is insults...Christian Bale is Batman...wheres he from guys...Dony forget to read my tip about Sly and rest old guys in Batman begins column okay...Its exclusive as Madge has tipped me off in Hampshire UK...who am I...
You wouldnt believ me if I told all of ya...Just nice to get away from all da glitz and hassle of media propaganda...and its nice to talk to ordinary folk such as your selves...after all its because of your love for films and idols we earn what we do?

[Robin91939]

I'm sorry but I didn't like Robin in movies or comics, he's just a waste of space in fact Bat-family sucks not Batman himself, I just prefer Dark Knight working alone, I was against Chris O'Donnell playing Robin in BF but if Nolan stays for fourth movie then maybe I could see Robin in BB4. Christian Bale don't like Robin and WB as well so it's unlikely that Robin will be in new franchise unless fans boycott the fourth movie.
Actually, WB seems to like Robin quite a bit. He's been in only one less blockbuster movie than Batman. Has his own title in the comics, sells a WHOLE lot of merchandise, has been greenlit to appear on THE BATMAN, held his own Teen Titans animated series, and apeared countless times on BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES.

Bottom line: Robin has been good to the WB. Now it's just time for the WB to be good to Robin. They have yet to realize his full character potential in a film. Nolan could. And if BATMAN II is taking place a year after BATMAN BEGINS, why not introduce Dick Grayson in BATMAN III? Three years after Bruce returned to Gotham.

He is a great character. He can be done dark. In a movie with Harvey Dent facing a trauma and going to the dark side, Bruce will see Dick go through a trauma and try to save him from the path Harvey chose. It's really some great story that can be fleshed out with Robin in the picture.

-R

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think we should introduce him...then have him killed.

We all win, win win win win. Robin fans get Robin, non-Robin fans get him killed. Win win win.

[Ronny Shade]

I think Robin should quit or get fired just like in the comics. Then Jason Todd should come in briefly and then die. Or "die," seeing as he's not dead anymore. How did they explain that anyway? Lazarus pit? That's VERY important for batman's character.

And Frankie Muniz will be practically 30 by the time we get Robin so... nope.

[MaJiN]

Sigh!!!!!!!!!!!

[explode7]

Which Robin is the one in Teen Titans. I think if threre're going to put robin they should put the Teen Titans one since most kids have grown to like that version of Robin alot. It will be great to see that Robin onscreen and it could kinda setup a Teen Titans movie behind the scenes as well.

[Ronny Shade]

I believe that's Tim in the Titans. But Nolan won't start with a Robin thats not Dick Grayson. I'll bet money.

[explode7]

NO I think thats Dick seeing as how in 1 of the episodes he became Night Wing.

[Ronny Shade]

Oh for real? He looks/acts more like Tim.

[TheGrayGhost]

sorry if someone has already discussed this topic i an new here.so who do u think should get the job,the ownly thing i want form this robin is that he be a kid all the robin's ever to play the kid is like 35 year old even the cartoons.

Huh? Both Dick Grayson and Tim Drake in the DCAU have been very, very young.

And while I'd like to see Robin in a Batman movie, I want the first three movies to be primarily about Batman. Maybe in the third Nolan can introduce Dick Grayson.

[Leto Atrides]

I think Robin could work well, if a rebellious, smart-a** 13ish Dick Grayson is used. Robin, done in this way, worked very well in a serious setting in Dark Victory (the sequel to The Long Halloween).

[Ronny Shade]

^Keyser Sushi did an in depth post somewhere on how Robin should be. That comes close.

[da creole kid]

Griffin Frazen

The kid was on "Grounded For Life"

[Katsuro]

Frankie Muniz is Robin...I know...Keep telling you americans...but all I get is insults...Christian Bale is Batman...wheres he from guys...Dony forget to read my tip about Sly and rest old guys in Batman begins column okay...Its exclusive as Madge has tipped me off in Hampshire UK...who am I...
You wouldnt believ me if I told all of ya...Just nice to get away from all da glitz and hassle of media propaganda...and its nice to talk to ordinary folk such as your selves...after all its because of your love for films and idols we earn what we do?

Lmao. Are we supposed to believe that you're somone important, who's got the inside scoop on the film? Lemme guess, you're Chris Nolan!! Or perhaps your David Goyer!!? Bale... is that you!? Yeah right. You come here, suggest the worst possible cast choices i've ever heard, then pretend to be some big shot while calling us "ordinary folk" and we're supposed to believe you. I respect Nolan and Co. far too much than to believe they'd even mention the possibility of Verne Troyer as Penguin or the guy from Will and Grace as Riddler.

[vantaztik_trace]

you are right on three things you stated my friend, enjoy the wrath of Gotham 08

[Ronny Shade]

You mean you're Chris Nolan, David Goyer and Christian Bale!?!? :eek:

:mad:

[Two-Face]

you are right on three things you stated my friend, enjoy the wrath of Gotham 08

If you are Nolan, bale and Goyer all in one then I'm Homer Simpson.:up:

[Ronny Shade]

You're not Homer Simpson!?!:eek:

All this time I-- I...


I don't know what to say.

[explode7]

Say WTF

[Prognosticator]

Actually no one should...We've already seen how that doesn't translate well into film. It just can't be grasped in a real and serious way! I mean honestly, it's a great concept, but it's impossible to entertain showing someone become robin in a two hour movie without sucking asking too much of the audience.

....What could potentially be a great idea is to introduce a dick or tim character towards the end of one movie and set the next movie up maybe 2 years later. Then, let the gap be filled in by the books themselves a la Star Wars, Superman Returns, and the following movie can pick up with the character already introduced. Otherwise, I don't think a movie could realistically sell the idea of a sidekick to Batman very well.

[Robin91939]

Actually no one should...We've already seen how that doesn't translate well into film.

You are making a losing argument right there.

If that was the case, and if every time ONE director made a bad incarnation of a character then we could say:

Hulk doesnt translate well
Electra doesnt translate well
Bane doesnt translate well
Poison Ivy doesnt translate well
Two-face doesnt translate well
Riddler doesnt translate well
BATMAN doesnt translate well, remember BATMAN RETURNS? FOREVER?and BATMAN & ROBIN?
Batgirl doesnt translate well
Mr. Fantastic doesnt translate well
Punisher (the 1989 movie) doesnt translate well
Doctor Doom doesn't translate well
The Entire FANTASTIC FOUR (1994 movie) wouldn't translate well

And in my opinion

Lex Luthor wouldn't be able to translate well on film
The Joker wouldn't be able to translate well on film
and
The Penguin wouldn't be able to translate well on film

All these are GREAT characters that could hold a movie all of there own. They all have the potential to be great on film, if handled properly.

Just because ONE director's version was bad for ONE particular character doesn't mean that the character is a BAD character or doesn't translate well on film. It just means that the director wasn't a match for the character. Nolan and Goyer could make Robin on film all as great as he is in the comics.

-R

[Ronny Shade]

Jolly good, there, R.

[trustyside-kick]

i havent seen any of wes bentley's movies but he looks like a Robin, but its still too early to bring in robin in the films.

Yea, I could picture him in the Robin suit..and yea it would be too early. Get a kid to play Dick when he first meets Bruce as a kid as then you can like have him get older with each movie or something.

[WATCHMAN86]

i saw a picture of this kid named james lafferty and in this particular picture he looked exactly like a young dick grayson around say.......16 or 17 i mean ideal for the part so he is one of my pics (as far as the look of robin) as for jason or tim i havent found anyone yet.

[WATCHMAN86]

i also think that the world of batman is way too large for the films to include all the characters that we want. i mean some are saying that robin should not be in for another 3 films(for most franchises 3 or 4 films is stretchin it) and i highly doubt all of the guys who donned the robin costume will ever make it to film. dont get me wrong though i do think that at least the next 2 films should focus on batman i mean if im correct i saw barbara gordon as a baby in this film and bruce was like 27 they are going to have to juggle the timelines a bit

[WATCHMAN86]

i agree with trusty sidekick.........good idea man!:)

[The Techno Bat]

I am still down with Ricky Ullman playing Dick Grayson if Robin is introduced in the next film, but otherwise he may be a bit old when the finally get around to a Batflick with Robin in it, so my other choice would be Daniel Magder, right now he is 11 yrs old, and has acted in a ton of movies

http://www.thewatergiant.com/images/c_daniel.jpg

[Ronny Shade]

Introduce us to the Madger kid.

[COMPO]

Who Is Terry Mc Ginnus

[Ronny Shade]

Terry McGinnis is Batman in Batman Beyond

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Portal/8768/terry.jpg

http://foxx278.tripod.com/terry01.jpg

http://www.mindeclipse.com/batmanbeyond/char/pics/bat01.jpg

Played by Will Friedle

[COMPO]

oh yeah now i remember he was a crap batman all he did was joke around. like the joker said 'he's just a punk kid taking orders from an old man'. And i agree with the joker when says he is not batman.

[Robin91939]

I agree when I believe a "Mr. Fix" Derek Powers' henchmen said:
"You're pretty storng for some clown who thinks he's Batman."
Terry: "I AM BATMAN"

I really liked that alternate future.

-R

[explode7]

^ I don't remember that at all.

[Ronny Shade]

I believe that was in "Rebirth: Part II"

[explode7]

Cartoon or Comic?

[Ronny Shade]

I don't even think there is a Beyond Comic. At least not a very long-lived one. Anyway, I'm referring to the TV series.

[explode7]

Oh. Well I don't think I ever saw that episode. And the only thing that pisses me off in Batman Beyond is that he has invisibility so why don't he use it at all times so as to always make a drop on the enemy.

[Ronny Shade]

Rebirth was the first episode. Two-parter. Available for purchase as "The Batman Beyond Movie"

It's not invisibility, its "camoflauge mode." It's never explained exactly, but I think the suit changes colors to match what's behind it. Probably uses a lot of sensors, etc. Probably drains power and doesn't work during excessive movement.

[explode7]

Nah its invisibility dude.

[Ronny Shade]

They call it camoflauge mode.

It is kinda invisibility, though, isn't it.

[explode7]

UH.................... its invisibility lets both stick with that Ok.

[Ronny Shade]

Sure. Whatever.

[explode7]

Don't get pissed buddy. Iwas joking. Lets stick with what makes you feel better.

[Ronny Shade]

I pride myself on being able to explain stuff that might not make sense:)

[WATCHMAN86]

james lafferty

[Tyler Durdon]

I agree on making him into a troubled reck and full of anger and frustration and mostly revenge thing alot.
That MUST be Robin.

How about Mathew Harbour as Robin? he played Christian Bale(Batman himself)'s kid in "Equilbirum",if not him how about David Dorfman(that boy from "The Ring") or Logan Lerman?

[StorminNorman]

Still sayin Shia Labeouf

[Ronny Shade]

Alllriight. Bringin' this thredd back from the dedd. :up:

[WATCHMAN86]

i know! it's been days:)

[Two-Face]

Oh God no... :down:

[Super_Ludacris]

Back in 2002 I said it should have been Jake Gylenhall but I guess that aint happening

[raybia]

NO ROBIN.



However if you have to have him they got to use Chris O' Donnell. That guy IS ROBIN!

[Two-Face]

Hahaha!

[raybia]

Hahaha!


:up:

Have a good weekend Two Face!!:)

[Two-Face]

You too Raybia ;up:

[Mr. Socko]

Frankie Muniez for Robin...

Seriously, NO ROBIN AT ALL! Unless they go after 3.

[Keyser Sushi]

I think Robin could be done well, but not until maybe the 4th or 5th movie... and I think that the perfect person to play Robin is as yet undiscovered. I'd want him to be a 12-13 year old actor who has never really done anything big before, but who has much talent and a surprisingly strong screen presence.

[StorminNorman]

Maybe its just my inner Jeph Loeb talking, but I think introducing Dick Grayson in the third movie as a small character - and then brining Robin in the 4th makes perfect sense.

[Keyser Sushi]

That could work, too, but I do believe that Nolan is gonna make 1-3 to be a complete arc. He won't want to leave any major loose ends at the end of 3.

[StorminNorman]

That could work, too, but I do believe that Nolan is gonna make 1-3 to be a complete arc. He won't want to leave any major loose ends at the end of 3.

Good point.

[Mr. Socko]

Having a 12-13 year old Robin will seriously suck big time. How the hell is a 12 year old suspose to be fighting and beating grown men up like Batman? No one under 16.

12-13 year old Robin=

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3a/Batbed.jpg

[Keyser Sushi]

Having a 12-13 year old Robin will seriously suck big time. How the hell is a 12 year old suspose to be fighting and beating grown men up like Batman? No one under 16.

12-13 year old Robin=

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3a/Batbed.jpg

*sighs*

I'm so tired of having to deal with the Werthamian stereotype of the gay Robin. And also of the DEEPLY mistaken impression that a 13 year old boy can't kick a grown man's ass.

Both are false.

[Keyser Sushi]

Good point.

Word.

Apologies for my protracted absence. I was watching the Orioles beat those damn Yankees. :up:

[Mr. Socko]

*sighs*

I'm so tired of having to deal with the Werthamian stereotype of the gay Robin. And also of the DEEPLY mistaken impression that a 13 year old boy can't kick a grown man's ass.

Both are false.

The picture was a joke but a 13 year old Robin could not take on an entire group of thugs with machine guns like Batman did in Batman Begins. If Robin is 13, Batman will have had that much experience. I could probably deal with a 13 year old Robin if he didn't go out at night fighting crime with Batman, he has a bedtime you know. But thats not the problem, the problem is that the general audience would not believe it.

I'd live with whoever, as long as Robin doesn't wear legless tights...

Edit: If Dick Grayson was put in Batman 2, I think he should train for atleast most of the movie.

[Keyser Sushi]

The picture was a joke but a 13 year old Robin could not take on an entire group of thugs with machine guns like Batman did in Batman Begins. If Robin is 13, Batman will have had that much experience. I could probably deal with a 13 year old Robin if he didn't go out at night fighting crime with Batman, he has a bedtime you know. But thats not the problem, the problem is that the general audience would not believe it.

You seem to be confusing 13 with 7.

I agree with you that Robin would not have the same amount of experience as Batman, and that this could pose a problem, but a good writer could solve that problem very easily. I've already explained it several times on these boards, and I don't want to type it out again. It's EXTREMELY do-able and even believable enough if handled properly.

I'd live with whoever, as long as Robin doesn't wear legless tights...

Word.

Edit: If Dick Grayson was put in Batman 2, I think he should train for atleast most of the movie.

I have a different idea.

[Mr. Socko]

I mean Batman 3. If Batman 2 takes place right after Begins, then Batman won't even be almost ready for an apprentice. He's not even been Batman for a year.

[Keyser Sushi]

I mean Batman 3. If Batman 2 takes place right after Begins, then Batman won't even be almost ready for an apprentice. He's not even been Batman for a year.

I know what you mean. I still have a different idea. :up:

[Mr. Socko]

Give it to me

[Mr. Socko]

ok that didn't sound right...

[Keyser Sushi]

Give it to me

Ron Jeremy will be my stunt double. :o


ok that didn't sound right...


Tru dat.

Okay, lemme dig up my old idea... I think it's actually in this thread...

[Keyser Sushi]

This was the short version:

Robin should be between 13 to 14 years old. He should be a very intense, angry kid. Anybody who thinks a 13 year old boy can't carry off rage doesn't remember what it's like to be a 13 year old boy, and probably has led a very comfortable life.

A 13 year old orphan would be VERY pissed off pretty much of the time. I think that's important. A younger kid will be more dramatically affected by his parents' death (as Bruce was) and would begin his training at the age that Bruce did (in the comics). The difference is that Robin has a Batman to train under.

For people who say that Batman would never endanger a child, you miss the obvious question: suppose the kid was going to go out and try to avenge his parents regardless of what Bruce did? If Bruce couldn't stop Dick from trying to avenge his parents, then the obvious way to ensure Dick's safety is to make sure he's got the training to pull it off. Focus his rage and his guilt into something constructive, as Bruce did.

[StorminNorman]

The picture was a joke but a 13 year old Robin could not take on an entire group of thugs with machine guns like Batman did in Batman Begins. If Robin is 13, Batman will have had that much experience. I could probably deal with a 13 year old Robin if he didn't go out at night fighting crime with Batman, he has a bedtime you know. But thats not the problem, the problem is that the general audience would not believe it.

I'd live with whoever, as long as Robin doesn't wear legless tights...

Edit: If Dick Grayson was put in Batman 2, I think he should train for atleast most of the movie.

Who says that Robin (as a teen) would be instantly thrown into the middle of combat? I think any Robin would be used first as a scout (as he was initially used in the Bob Kane comics) and would gradually move into the ass kicking buisness. I think a Batman trained 15 year old Robin could very well handel a group of thugs - he couldnt handle a major baddy - but meaningless cannon fodder is no big deal.

[Keyser Sushi]

This was the more detailed version... LOL:

Suppose, just for a second, that Dick Grayson, teenage acrobat, is orphaned by a killer. Suppose, further, that the circus life is all Dick has ever known. He has friends there, and it's rough life, it involves a lot of travel and a lot of hard work, and he has never had a real home outside of a train car or a truck or bus or whatever they use these days. His family are acrobats. He has already been putting his life on the line every day for as long as he has been physically able to perform on the trapeze.

When his parents are gone, his usefulness to the circus is gone as well. His friends care for him and maybe he tags along with them for a while but he has no real job in the circus any longer.

Now I need you to consider. Dick is not a legal resident of ANY city. He lives on the road. He is a carnie, basically a drifter, and he is a teenager.

Allow me to remind you what it is like to be a teenage boy. You are moody. You are, sometimes, a git, and for no reason other than you woke up feeling that way that day. It's a hormonal thing. It happens.

Furthermore, in case you have never experienced the death of a loved one, let me explain to you that it is usually accompanied by a bit of anger and helplessness. And because Dick was present when it happened, he is also going to feel some survivor's guilt.

Now then. As we have established, Dick is a carnie. Therefore, he is used to having to solve his own problems. He's angry at the guy who killed his parents? No problem, the solution is to go kill the guy. He feels helpless for the first time in his life? The solution is to go do something proactive, like, let's say, hunt down his parents' killer. He feels survivor's guilt? Risking his life to avenge his parents deaths would seem to address this concern as well. Dick is going to go out into the night and try to find his parents' murderer. And he isn't going to need Batman's help to do it.

Hell, at this point he doesn't even KNOW Batman.

Now, there is no social services person coming for Dick, because he is not a legal resident of anyplace. There is nobody looking to adopt this kid. And then Bruce Wayne shows up and offers to give him a home. I think Dick is going to resist this, but he's not an adult and the people at the Circus are going to think that Bruce can give Dick a more normal life than they can.

Dick just wants to avenge his parents' deaths. And Bruce... Bruce wants to protect Dick. Bruce wants to save him. Not to make him into his sidekick. Batman works alone. Bruce wants to PROTECT THE KID.

But he can't stop Dick from trying to find his parents' murderer. He just can't. It would be a full-time job and Bruce already ha a full-time job wearing a cape. He wants to protect the innocent and among them is Dick, but he can't protect Dick AND protect everybody else at the same time. And Dick doesn't want protection. Dick is not helpless, and he is not content to stay home or go to school or do any of those things.

Bruce knows the anger that drives Dick. He wants to take that anger away from Dick, but he can't, and Dick is actually SAFER if he is where Batman can keep an eye on him; Dick is SAFER if he has been taught Keysi Fighting Method; Dick is SAFER if he has body armor and tools. Because make no mistake about it: Dick is GOING TO SEEK VENGEANCE regardless of whether Bruce helps him or not. Bruce's guidance could be the difference between a dead child and a living one. (Bruce's guidance being the force that keeps him alive, of course).

So, it IS helping him. Because without Bruce's training, Dick is going to get himself killed. And there's NOT A DAMN THING ANYBODY CAN DO ABOUT THAT.

Dick never HAD a normal life. He had a happy life with the circus, but it sure as hell wasn't NORMAL. That's kind of the point, isn't it? Dick never had a normal life. He didn't grow up in suburbia playing stickball with Billy and Tim. He grew up shoveling elephant dung and listening to drunken old clowns telling dirty jokes. He grew up with bearded ladies and triple-breasted whores, he grew up a sort of star in his own little world, learning the family trade and learning to do it right so that he would not die attempting it.

If Robin chose to be a warrior, Batman can't make him take back that choice. And the world needs heroes. A properly trained soldier is always preferable, and less a danger to himself, than one who has no idea what he is doing.

[Keyser Sushi]

Who says that Robin (as a teen) would be instantly thrown into the middle of combat? I think any Robin would be used first as a scout (as he was initially used in the Bob Kane comics) and would gradually move into the ass kicking buisness. I think a Batman trained 15 year old Robin could very well handel a group of thugs - he couldnt handle a major baddy - but meaningless cannon fodder is no big deal.

:up: :up:

Preach it, Norm!

[Mr. Socko]

"triple-breasted whores"

ROFL!!!

Nice read there, not to shabby, not to shabby at all.

[Keyser Sushi]

"triple-breasted whores"

ROFL!!!

Hehehe... glad you liked that. I'm not sure who, beyond my man Norm, of course, would get that reference...

Nice read there, not to shabby, not to shabby at all.

Thanks. :up:

[Ronny Shade]

Hehehe... glad you liked that. I'm not sure who, beyond my man Norm, of course, would get that reference...
You mean its not Total Recall?? :confused:

[Keyser Sushi]

You mean its not Total Recall?? :confused:

I suppose it could be that, too. But nothing is one thing. Everything's two things, at least.

In this case, two words come to mind:

"Eccentria Gallumbits."

[Ronny Shade]

I don't even know what that is.

Please enlighten

[Ronny Shade]

....is it from HHGTTG?

[Mr. Socko]

Or translate it to english...lol

[Keyser Sushi]

I don't even know what that is.

Please enlighten

She's the triple-breasted whore of Eroticon 6, of course.

[Keyser Sushi]

....is it from HHGTTG?

Nearly everything wonderful is.

[Mr. Socko]

I wish someone would give us more information on this Batman movie. The suspense and speculation is killing me. I can't take it for too long and still have over 2 years. I'm gonna stab someone :/]

[Keyser Sushi]

I wish someone would give us more information on this Batman movie. The suspense and speculation is killing me. I can't take it for too long and still have over 2 years. I'm gonna stab someone :/]

:eek:

[Mr. Socko]

I'm gonna rip the tag off a mattress I didn't buy.

[Keyser Sushi]

I'm gonna rip the tag off a mattress I didn't buy.

My God! There's TWO OF US in the world who know what "except by the consumer" means!

[Mr. Socko]

What kind 'o person consumes a mattress anyway?

My friend Bob ripped the tag of a mattress and got 20 years in Arkham for it.

[Katsuro]

*sighs*

I'm so tired of having to deal with the Werthamian stereotype of the gay Robin. And also of the DEEPLY mistaken impression that a 13 year old boy can't kick a grown man's ass.

Both are false.

See, that's exactly why I feel Robin needs to be put into one of these films eventually. People need to see what this character can really be, and I think your plot outlines are just the way to do it. Introduce him in the third movie as a minor character, and have him continue his training in the 4th film (assuming there is one). Put him in a nomex version of Tim Drake's newest costume, and maybe give him a bo staff as a weapon like Drake sometimes has (but other than that, keep him Dick Grayson).

[Super_Ludacris]

Maybe put him in the end

[Keyser Sushi]

See, that's exactly why I feel Robin needs to be put into one of these films eventually. People need to see what this character can really be, and I think your plot outlines are just the way to do it. Introduce him in the third movie as a minor character, and have him continue his training in the 4th film (assuming there is one). Put him in a nomex version of Tim Drake's newest costume, and maybe give him a bo staff as a weapon like Drake sometimes has (but other than that, keep him Dick Grayson).

Yeah, I'm with you. I think he should look something like this:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f377/darthsushi/RobinBeginsinColor2.jpg(Artwork by me, Keyser Sushi, based on concepts by Super Scar)

As for when to introduce him, though, I still think #4 at the earliest. 1-3 are Batman's story, and by the end of #3, he should have had a complete character arc. Robin almost needs to be the focus of his own movie, like #4, and the drama for Batman is in Batman deals with trying to save Dick by training him, and how it makes him confront some of his own issues in the process. By #5, Robin is ready to take down the guy who killed his parents, and it's been a couple of years. By this time Dick is older and is starting to disagree with Batman on some things, and so, in the end, he goes after the guy but things don't quite go the way he intended. Maybe he plans to kill the guy, Batman won't let him, Batman pushes Dick away to protect him, and Dick leaves.

#6, Batman is angry at what he views as his failure as a mentor/parent/guardian for Dick Grayson, and he sets out to kill the guy who orphaned Dick, actually trying to out the anger that he feels with himself, thus his breaking of his moral code is essentially a self-destructive act. But he keeps crossing paths with another guy who moves in a very familiar way... and finally, as Batman is about to kill the bad guy, Nightwing steps in and stops him. Batman realizes he hasn't failed... he and Dick sort of make up, and Dick leaves, the bad guy now locked up and Dick's greivance squared.

I dunno, I'm just brainstorming here... this needs work, but...

[Keyser Sushi]

Maybe put him in the end

Hey Luda -- just looking at your sig.

Whatever happened to Nuk Nukk, anyway? That guy was my homie, too. :up:

[Mr. Socko]

I wonder if the Batman franchise will even make it to 6, thats pretty far. If it does, the chances of Nolan directing it are even slimmer.

anyways, if I can believe Juni and Carmen whoopin' grown men and thumb thumbs in Sky Kids, then I could definitely believe Robin doing the same(minus the thumb thumbs)

[Keyser Sushi]

I wonder if the Batman franchise will even make it to 6, thats pretty far. If it does, the chances of Nolan directing it are even slimmer.

anyways, if I can believe Juni and Carmen whoopin' grown men and thumb thumbs in Sky Kids, then I could definitely believe Robin doing the same(minus the thumb thumbs)

I think Nolan will be gone after #3. I think the chances of there being more films after that are fairly slim, the chances of them being any good even slimmer. But we shall see...

[Mr. Socko]

After 3, someone else should direct another 3 Batman movies, someone who'd make them equally as good.

But if not anymore Batman movies after 3 then atleast give us an hour long Batman Live Action Show. Which if good, would be better then a 2 hour movie every 3 years.

[Keyser Sushi]

After 3, someone else should direct another 3 Batman movies, someone who'd make them equally as good.

Agreed, but the chances of it are slim to none.

But if not anymore Batman movies after 3 then atleast give us an hour long Batman Live Action Show. Which if good, would be better then a 2 hour movie every 3 years.

Nah. Film > TV.

[Mr. Socko]

But a TV show would mean 4 hours of Batman a month.

2 things better about a movie: You get to see it in theaters, and makes more money for the studios. But if Blade and Clark Kent can get one, Batman can. But I see what you mean, a movie just feels better.

[Keyser Sushi]

But a TV show would mean 4 hours of Batman a month.

It would also mean lower production values, a lower class of actor, director, and writers, and a very crappy aspect ratio.

2 things better about a movie: You get to see it in theaters, and makes more money for the studios. But if Blade and Clark Kent can get one, Batman can. But I see what you mean, a movie just feels better.

Not to mention higher production values, better cinematography, sound design, effects, costumes, cinemascope, better actors, and no commercial breaks.

[Anjow1060]

Idk man, aside from the **** pop songs they put into Smallville that show is somewhat decent. Michael Rosembaum is a fantastic actor and my fav Lex Luthor of all time. They have story arcs that carryover in that show and I like it. I always thought they should do something like that for Batman, but maybe do it like "Gotham Abroad" and all the things Bruce goes through after he leaves Gotham but before he meets "Ras" if we go by that as origin story. Just showing him hone various martial arts skills, detective skills, and showing hints of Batman, like interogating the **** out of people.

As far as Robin goes, I'd like to see dick grayson in Begins #4,
having the enemies in that be Mr. Freeze, Mad hatter, Firefly and Zucco. Also thats when i want selina/catwoman to come into play b/c it ties in nicely with mr. freeze's story the whole "wanting to help the woman you love" thing and that ties with Mad hatter as well. And i figure since firefly works as an arsonist Gothcorp could hire him to sabatoge freeze (not to mention the whole fire/water element thing). And then at the end of the movie, when all is said and done, Bane shows up, blows up Arkham and inthe 5th one Batman fights him, gets his back broken, Dick becomes robin, batman goes back to fight bane again, mounts a better fight and right as Bane is about to finish Batman again, Robin, Catwoman and Gordan show up and help him. Kinda like he realizes he can't do it all alone. Plus alfred could have a good conversation with him about why he needs to help dick become a force for good and use someone like freeze or two face as an example as good people with the wrong means of accomplishing it.......my ideas for movies after that.....i'll save for when i pitch um to the WB one day......keep in mind......i'm actually an anti-robin person. But if they brought him in, thats how i'd want to see it.

[user123456789]

Does anyone else think that Wes Bently would have made a PERFECT Peter Parker... based on looks alone?

-R

Whoa... you're right. His hairstyle in that pic is exactly what i'd want Peter's to be too.

[Keyser Sushi]

Idk man, aside from the **** pop songs they put into Smallville that show is somewhat decent. Michael Rosembaum is a fantastic actor and my fav Lex Luthor of all time. They have story arcs that carryover in that show and I like it. I always thought they should do something like that for Batman, but maybe do it like "Gotham Abroad" and all the things Bruce goes through after he leaves Gotham but before he meets "Ras" if we go by that as origin story. Just showing him hone various martial arts skills, detective skills, and showing hints of Batman, like interogating the **** out of people.

They actually pitched a Batman show the same time as they did "Smallville." They got to pick between the two concepts and they went for "Smallville." It's not a bad show and the actors are indeed pretty good, but as these things go it's no substitute for a good Superman movie.

As far as Robin goes, I'd like to see dick grayson in Begins #4,
having the enemies in that be Mr. Freeze, Mad hatter, Firefly and Zucco. Also thats when i want selina/catwoman to come into play b/c it ties in nicely with mr. freeze's story the whole "wanting to help the woman you love" thing and that ties with Mad hatter as well. And i figure since firefly works as an arsonist Gothcorp could hire him to sabatoge freeze. And then at the end of the movie, when all is said and done, Bane shows up, blows up Arkham and inthe 5th one Batman fights him, gets his back broken, Dick becomes robin, batman goes back to fight bane again, mounts a better fight and right as Bane is about to finish Batman again, Robin, Catwoman and Gordan show up and help him. Kinda like he realizes he can't do it all alone. Plus alfred could have a good conversation with him about why he needs to help dick become a force for good and use someone like freeze or two face as an example as good people with the wrong means of accomplishing it.......my ideas for movies after that.....i'll save for when i pitch um to the WB one day......

Ummm... I really don't want to see most of that, to be honest. That's a lot of stuff crammed in a small space. Also, Knightfall blew.

[Anjow1060]

Ummm... I really don't want to see most of that, to be honest. That's a lot of stuff crammed in a small space. Also, Knightfall blew.[/quote]


Yeah it did, robin as a barber and all that crap. But the undermining concept could be done as a great story arc. Someone who really "cheats" at everything. Venom + wearing batman down + play it up as Ubu as Bane and he never earned the knowledge that Bruce was bats but Ras told him. I think it could be done really well.

[Mr. Socko]

Smallville shouldn't even be compared to Superman Returns, because Returns is just going to be that much better.

But as for Batman, if they ever get a second trilogy then the last movie, 6, should be Dark Knight Returns

[Keyser Sushi]

Yeah it did, robin as a barber and all that crap. But the undermining concept could be done as a great story arc. Someone who really "cheats" at everything. Venom + wearing batman down + play it up as Ubu as Bane and he never earned the knowledge that Bruce was bats but Ras told him. I think it could be done really well.

Except I don't really like Bane and I hate the idea of Batman getting his back broken. I'd rather he got killed than get paralyzed. I understand that's why they did it, to strip him of his physicality but keep him alive to have to deal with it. But I really couldn't stomach it, and what's more, the idea of him recovering from that is just too far-fetched. It may soon be a medical reality but in 1993 it was straight-up science fiction.

The thing is, if recovery from that was a medical reality, then as a dramatic device it loses a lot of its weightiness - and if it's not a medical reality, then breaking the Bat should be the end of his career.

Either way, we lose.

"Knightfall" was a blatant money-grab on the part of DC Comics, and I quit collecting Batman comics when it happened. I don't collect them now. I buy back-issues from the 70's. That's it.

[Keyser Sushi]

But as for Batman, if they ever get a second trilogy then the last movie, 6, should be Dark Knight Returns

No. Just... no.

[Mr. Socko]

Why, you didn't like DKR :confused:

[Anjow1060]

Smallville shouldn't even be compared to Superman Returns, because Returns is just going to be that much better.

But as for Batman, if they ever get a second trilogy then the last movie, 6, should be Dark Knight Returns

Lord no. A batman who kills, a girl robin..........

We already had Batman Returns. I think I'll pass on that. I'd much rather have a Batman Beyond movie.

[El Payaso]

Masterpiece.

I'm not surprised.

[Mr. Socko]

Batman kills in the comics, and has killed in just about every movie. In Begins, there's a scene where Batman releases spiked jacks from the tumbler and alot of police cars flips over because of them, for all you know, they could have died. Not to mention there's also a scene where Batman smashes a man's head into a glass mirror, which could have possibly killed him.

But Batman kills the most in returns.

And Batman use to kill alot in the early comics, Bob Kane even had him use a gun at one point in time. Are you saying Bob is wrong?

[Anjow1060]

OK well, he gave up killing in the comics after he shot and killed the werewolf. He gave up killing and guns all at once via Kane. In the car chase scene the cops all live because you hear alfred yell at him and say "It's a miracle no one was killed!". As far as the thug with his head into glass goes, i'm sure he lived.

[El Payaso]

When a prejudice blinds you from a masterpiece, it's just sad. Not for me of course.

[Keyser Sushi]

Why, you didn't like DKR :confused:

I love DKR, but I don't want to see it made into a movie. Making DKR into a movie is like making "Casablanca" into a comic book. Some things are perfect as they are, and need not be translated into a new medium.

A DKR movie would be very much inferior to the GN.

Plus, I should explain my love of DKR. I think it's a masterpiece and a brilliant piece of work, and I love Frank Miller. But Batman in DKR is not the Batman that I am a fan of. DKR is an exploration of the darkest point that Batman can go to, about how many of his own rules Batman can break and at what point does he lose his own identity, at what point does he become the thing that he hates? It's brilliant. But it's also very depressing.

Edit: Depressing, and BLEAK. The thing I love about Batman is the inspirational quality of the character, about the things a normal human can achieve given the drive to do so. Batman is a compassionate, and ultimately self-sacrificing person. Batman in DKR is a man who has essentially become broken by the impossible quest that he has set for himself.

I reiterate, this is BRILLIANT storytelling, and a seminal work. But I don't want to think that Bale's Batman would ever reach that point, just as I don't believe that Denny O'Neill's Batman would ever reach that point.

[El Payaso]

'darkest point' 'depressing'. Of course. This is Batman. Parents killed, mentally disturbed.

[Mr. Socko]

I'd hate if they made TKJ into a movie, half of it would be useless.

[Anjow1060]

I'd hate if they made TKJ into a movie, half of it would be useless.

I wouldn't be suprised if they added elements of that into the Begins sequal. Not a direct interpretation but some nods to it wouldn't be too far fetch'd.

[Keyser Sushi]

'darkest point' 'depressing'. Of course. This is Batman. Parents killed, mentally disturbed.

The great thing about Batman is that there are so many possible ways to interpret the character. Frank Miller's way is one way. And a very good way. But by no means definitive.

Frank's Batman is almost like the Punisher. I love the Punisher. I love Batman. But to me there are some lines that separate the two.

Should Batman's world be dark? Absolutely. He's an orphan who is driven to fight crime because of the injustice that was done to him. He dresses as a nocturnal animal that most people have an irrational fear of, and he is certainly a fearsome warrior.

But the version of Batman that I always like - Denny O'Neill's Batman, for instance; Marv Wolfman's, Alan Grant's, Paul Dini's Batmen - is that he is motivated by more than just revenge. He is also motivated by compassion. He wants to make sure that what happened to him, doesn't happen to anybody else. As Alfred says in Begins, "I care for Rachel, too, sir, but what you're doing has to be beyond that. It can't be personal. Or you're just a vigilante." That's a distinction that few writers in the last 15 years or so have been smart enough to make.

I think that Frank Miller understands it, too. Frank's Batman in DKR is a Batman who was that man once, but has become so jaded and frazzled by his one-man war on crime, and the toll that it's taken on the people he cares about, that he's ready to end it once and for all. He's gone around a bend that he has always clung to with his life.

That's what's depressing about it. My favorite hero has lost his soul. And that's why the new Batman comics suck. Because the writers now are all influenced by what Frank did, and none of them are smart enough to UNDERSTAND what Frank did.

A little-known fact: DKR was published a year before Jason Todd was killed off in the comic books. Frank Miller was way ahead of everybody. :up:

[Keyser Sushi]

I wouldn't be suprised if they added elements of that into the Begins sequal. Not a direct interpretation but some nods to it wouldn't be too far fetch'd.

Exactly. Like Batman Begins contained a lot of elements of Year One, but it wasn't a literal translation of Year One. They also borrowed things from The Long Halloween, The Man Who Falls, and various other Batman stories. I'm sure the next two films will continue that theme.

[Mr. Socko]

No, you got it all wrong. Batman's world is colorful and full of obvious CGI, giant naked statues, and neon.

[Keyser Sushi]

No, you got it all wrong. Batman's world is colorful and full of obvious CGI, giant naked statues, and neon.

LOL!!!

[Anjow1060]

Exactly. Like Batman Begins contained a lot of elements of Year One, but it wasn't a literal translation of Year One. They also borrowed things from The Long Halloween, The Man Who Falls, and various other Batman stories. I'm sure the next two films will continue that theme.

The sequal will if Jonathon Nolan knows whats good for him. Cuz if he doesn't, I'm spearheading the movement to throw him into a box with Schumacher if he screws this up for us.

[Keyser Sushi]

The sequal will if Jonathon Nolan knows whats good for him. Cuz if he doesn't, I'm spearheading the movement to throw him into a box with Schumacher if he screws this up for us.

LOL!!!

Jon Nolan's a good writer. Plus, he'll be working from an outline that Chris Nolan and Dave Goyer put together, and I don't think he's gonna just make up his own thing. I'm sure there's plenty of research involved. Dave Goyer bought a stack of Batman comics as reference material before writing BB. I'm sure Jon Nolan has done something similar.

[Anjow1060]

LOL!!!

Jon Nolan's a good writer. Plus, he'll be working from an outline that Chris Nolan and Dave Goyer put together, and I don't think he's gonna just make up his own thing. I'm sure there's plenty of research involved. Dave Goyer bought a stack of Batman comics as reference material before writing BB. I'm sure Jon Nolan has done something similar.

He better, otherwise I'm gonna go :batman: on his @ss, and I don't mean Schumacher/Adam West style.

[Mr. Socko]

I'll go Frank Miller style on him.

Thank God Goyer already wrote an outline. I just don't know if Jon knows about comic books or not. But really, if you already have a long outline, are a good writer, and knows something about the character, then you should be able to do atleast decent. On top of having Batman Begins, so he knows how the set characters already work.

Getting a new writer who's never worked on a comic book movie is like getting a no-name actor to play The Joker, it scares me because we're not guaranteed anything.

But I tell ya what, if he makes The Joker a pathetic pawn who only has 10 minutes of screentime in this movie like Crane, then prepare for the major backlash.

[bdsproductions]

a unkown.don't kill me but i think Robin should be in Batman 3 (or as i think it should be called "Batman Redmeption") not too much screentime bu there jsut the same.

[StorminNorman]

a unkown.don't kill me but i think Robin should be in Batman 3 (or as i think it should be called "Batman Redmeption") not too much screentime bu there jsut the same.

How can you have ROBIN (not just Dick Grayson) and not have him take up a large amount of screentime?

[bdsproductions]

D'OH! well,how does YTMND get away with haveing a pic of milhouse and Bart haveing sex with eachother (last time i ever look up Brokeback Mountain parodys) and NOT have it listed as inappropriete? BAD EXAMPLE!.i guess your right.

[Mr. Socko]

How can you have ROBIN (not just Dick Grayson) and not have him take up a large amount of screentime?

Only Joel Schumacher has an answer to that:up:

[Don Corleone]

my choice for robin- dick grayson

http://www.celebrity-pictures-world.com/pics/j/jamie-bell/jamie-bell-006.jpg

jamie bell the second actor ever to be awarded Outstanding Performance by a Young Actor from the National Board of Review, USA. The first was fellow Brit Christian Bale in 1987 (then titled Outstanding Juvenile Performance) for Empire of the Sun (1987).


talk about reflection :)



i can see it now...the grayson family ballet show.

well.. i like to see him dance.





he danced in Kong!



ok, im sorry

[explode7]

Man that looks like the dude from that sitcom 8 rules for dating my teenage daughter.

[Mr. Socko]

How old is he?

[StorminNorman]

How old is he?
19.

[Mr. Socko]

Nah, Robin is way too old to appear in Nolan's Batman movies. Maybe 10 years ago

[Robin91939]

Batman kills in the comics, and has killed in just about every movie. In Begins, there's a scene where Batman releases spiked jacks from the tumbler and alot of police cars flips over because of them, for all you know, they could have died. Not to mention there's also a scene where Batman smashes a man's head into a glass mirror, which could have possibly killed him.

But Batman kills the most in returns.

And Batman use to kill alot in the early comics, Bob Kane even had him use a gun at one point in time. Are you saying Bob is wrong?
I'm saying that you are wrong. :) lol

Batman killed in the comics, for about 5 issues. There are over 700 were he does not.

Also, in BATMAN BEGINS when he did the things to the cop cars NO ONE DIED. Listen to the TV when Bruce is getting dressed and talking to Alfred. "NO CASUALTIES", so, atleast you paid attention to the movie.

As far as BATMAN RETURNS, there was no reason for Batman to kill those that he did. Penguin, was an accident one could argue. But the one circus folk that he set on fire was rediculous and just a cheap joke. As was the scene with Batman slapping a timebomb on the Strongman. If he were really Batman, he could take down a untrained, albeit strong person.

-R

[El Payaso]

Also, in BATMAN BEGINS when he did the things to the cop cars NO ONE DIED. Listen to the TV when Bruce is getting dressed and talking to Alfred. "NO CASUALTIES", so, atleast you paid attention to the movie.

Even so, what matters - morally and legally - is the intention.

Of course, after the thing we can know he didn't kill anyone. But oh God how did he ran over everyone. When you do that in real life you can't be 100% sure of consequences. Therefore you're risking other people's life for real.

It's like if I shot at a crowd, but miraculously no one's hurt.

But the one circus folk that he set on fire was rediculous and just a cheap joke. As was the scene with Batman slapping a timebomb on the Strongman. If he were really Batman, he could take down a untrained, albeit strong person.

The guy on fire died? I'd say no, since there was snow everywhere to put out the flames.

The Strongman was trouble.:down Off with his head!

[Ronny Shade]

The only thing that bothered me about this was he probably killed a bunch of people in Ra's's monestary when he blew it up.

[HughJackFan420]

looking at the title of this thread someone needs a spelling lesson...

anyways i think the guy who plays Cyclops in the X Men movies should play robin and maybe darken his hair so he looks like robin and not the lame Batman Forever Robin ...forgot the actor's name...

[Ronny Shade]

looking at the title of this thread someone needs a spelling lesson...

anyways i think the guy who plays Cyclops in the X Men movies should play robin and maybe darken his hair so he looks like robin and not the lame Batman Forever Robin ...forgot the actor's name...
Are you serious?

Tell me you're kidding.

[HughJackFan420]

yeah i'm serious

but i mean if u think about it he looks like the Boy Wonder already i mean with the goggles or visor just throw a robin mask there and i think he's got the look. just need to darken his hair and keep the original Robin costume like the comics but not as gay looking. like make it organic give it some dimension like Spiderman's costume.

[HughJackFan420]

hey triple 7!!!!

what do i win??

just kidding thats my favorite number and finally i made that many posts

[Ronny Shade]

James Marsden is older than Christian Bale.


You don't see a problem with that?

[WATCHMAN86]

anyone remember marsden in that movie "no desert dad till you mow the lawn " shucks cyclops yuv come quite a ways

[trustyside-kick]

No, you got it all wrong. Batman's world is colorful and full of obvious CGI, giant naked statues, and neon.

Haha...leave to Mr. Socko to provide some comic relief in a somewhat serious debate. :up: :)

[trustyside-kick]

Exactly. Like Batman Begins contained a lot of elements of Year One, but it wasn't a literal translation of Year One. They also borrowed things from The Long Halloween, The Man Who Falls, and various other Batman stories. I'm sure the next two films will continue that theme.

Ya I am very sure that even though Nolan's films are basically starting the franchise fresh and all they are still taking great elements from the comics and will continue with the other 2 films.

[ObakeTora]

Im too lazy to search the boards, but has anybody suggested Justin Berfield to play Robin?

[WATCHMAN86]

vernon troyer

[ObakeTora]

ahh cmon nobody like Justin? Or is it that you hate Reese too much :))

http://eur.yimg.com/i/xp/premier_photo/1/168849d7c5.jpg

I think hed make a perfect Robin (Or he could play the Robin who got killed by Joker)

[StorminNorman]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/castings/4.jpg

:up: :up: :up:

[ObakeTora]

damn. I guess that answers my question. I stand humbled.

[ObakeTora]

but he could play someone but who???

[Ronny Shade]

who the f is justin berfield?

btw :up: for Labeouf. The rest are too old or I've never heard of them or both. I even worry about Shia being too old, but he's a good choice.

[StorminNorman]

Shia looks young - which is all you need.

[Ronny Shade]

xactly

[Katsuro]

Seeing that a film that introduces Dick Grayson is at least 3 years away from even starting filming, and that Dick Grayson should be no older than 15 when he's adopted by Bruce, all those choices seem much too old. If we end up getting a Robin, he'll most likely be played by someone very young right now, and probably not even into acting yet.

[WATCHMAN86]

Shia Lebouf ........i Dunno Just Not Feelin.

[WATCHMAN86]

I Think Justin Would Make A Good Jason Todd. Reese And Jason Are Kind Of The Same

[StorminNorman]

Seeing that a film that introduces Dick Grayson is at least 3 years away from even starting filming, and that Dick Grayson should be no older than 15 when he's adopted by Bruce, all those choices seem much too old. If we end up getting a Robin, he'll most likely be played by someone very young right now, and probably not even into acting yet.

The actual age of the actors mean litte, Shia Labeouf for example can still play a 15 year old, even though he is a good bit older than that in real life.

[ObakeTora]

I Think Justin Would Make A Good Jason Todd. Reese And Jason Are Kind Of The Same


Thats what I should have said. The 2 just seem split at birth.

[lowepunk]

this has probably already been discussed, but im not gonna read through 9 pages of S**t to see. i personally dont care who plays robin, if he is brought in, but what should be done is to get an actor young enough to play robin in a couple Batman films, then leave and become Nightwing, then from that you can start an entire spin-off series.

[Ronny Shade]

you want the actor to carry his own series of films and you don't care who plays him? :confused:

[The Techno Bat]

I am still hoping that if Robin is in the film that Phil of the Future's Ricky Ullman will get the nod to play Dick Grayson
http://apsc.disney.go.com/disneychannel/philofthefuture/downloads/phil_wallpaper/PhilSolo_800x600.jpg

[El Payaso]

you want the actor to carry his own series of films and you don't care who plays him? :confused:

Exactly. Same here.

Robin can have his own series which I won't see at all, so I don't care who is playing the boy butterfly or when or how.

[batmaluco]

lol

[griffolyon12]

I personally would love to see an actor anywhere from 15 to 18 playing the part.Most notably I want the character to be independent and be almost a reflection of a teenage Bruce.As far as casting,I want an unknown.Sure this film franchise has alot of big names,but there aren't many big names in this age range that is good enough to fit in with all these amazing actors.So I would much rather search for the best actor rather than settle for a big name.

[WATCHMAN86]

tad hilgenbrink

[StorminNorman]

^Hellz Nah

[Junfan]

No Robin.

[Ronny Shade]

I am still hoping that if Robin is in the film that Phil of the Future's Ricky Ullman will get the nod to play Dick Grayson
http://apsc.disney.go.com/disneychannel/philofthefuture/downloads/phil_wallpaper/PhilSolo_800x600.jpg
Ricky Ullman would be a great Robin. The only problem is, he'll be too old by the time Robin actually shows up (part 4 I'm guessing)

[chosen1]

Guys guys Guys.... C'mon I am particularly sensitive about this subject we have so many people throwing out outrageous ideas about casting this sidekick. I think it should be left alone w/ no robin. But not for the reasons you think. I like robin. The reason why i dont want him in the movie is because out of all of the scenarios i have read on these boards it would be suicide and i now i understand where some of these guys that post 'NO ROBIN' are coming from. Now that many people make suggestions on. Is that Dick should be between 15 and 18 years of age!!! ...... what. So i'm assuming you like the the later batfilms after burton? That did'nt work!!!!! If it is to be done correctly. Dick grayson is adopted at age 13!! The sentiment has always been bruce raised dick. How could that be when he is close to 18 when he is adopted folks:confused:

second how old is dick when he is in Costume. age 17-24. almost an adult through graduation of college then becomes nightwing after a verbal/physical confrontation w/ Bruce. He then takes his trust fund money from the circus (which is quite a bit of money) and sets up shop in a loft somewhere in a different part of the city.

[Eros]

actually Chosen1, dick became Robin at the tender age of 12. I assume when "Robin" ever does appear in the new Batman movies, Christian Bale and Chris Nolan will no longer be invovled with the movies. They both said they would no be part of them, if the movies ever included Robin.

[chosen1]

DIck became robin at 12 then when did bruce adopt him. I know he was living w/ bruce a number of years before he found the bat cave and began his training.:confused:

[JokerNick]

how bout no Robin..... IMO he ruins Batman.... I see Batmas a solitare figure in these films....

[JokerNick]

He doesn't ruin Batman.

I'm not talking about the comics...... but in a movie sense, I beleive that no director or screen writter could bring Robin into the francise without dumbing it down or making his character anything more then a comic relief......

if Nolan and Goyer include Robin, and if they do him correctly, you know the WB will want to turn him into a "kid friendly" character, or give him uncharacteristic sex appeal to bring in a stronger female audience, I think it's better to leave him out

[DV8]

This is the kid, who should play the Boy Wonder if they ever decide to go that route . . . he's quite young, so by the time they decide to do it, he'd be perfect:

Cole Petersen (Entourage)
http://www.colepetersen.com/photos/hs/cp-hs0162c.jpg

[Ronny Shade]

This is the kid, who should play the Boy Wonder if they ever decide to go that route . . . he's quite young, so by the time they decide to do it, he'd be perfect:

Cole Petersen (Entourage)
http://www.colepetersen.com/photos/hs/cp-hs0162c.jpg
that kid needs to be punched in the mouth

[JokerNick]

This is the kid, who should play the Boy Wonder if they ever decide to go that route . . . he's quite young, so by the time they decide to do it, he'd be perfect:

Cole Petersen (Entourage)
http://www.colepetersen.com/photos/hs/cp-hs0162c.jpg

**reports to this to the FBI, strange man has pics of young boys on his comp**


NAMBLA........^^^^^........

[DV8]

^you're funny . . . forgot to mention that I downloaded that pic from JokerNick

[Two-Face]

Wait, title of this thread is not right, "Who should play Boy Wonder?"

Nobody.

[JokerNick]

^you're funny . . . forgot to mention that I downloaded that pic from JokerNick

shhh. that was our secret......... now the whole world knows...........

[DV8]

^I can see that you have opened the "Hot European Girls" thread to counter your pedophiliac tendencies :D

[El Payaso]

how bout no Robin..... IMO he ruins Batman.... I see Batmas a solitare figure in these films....

There won't be a Robin, don't worry.

[TheGrayGhost]

I hope there's a Robin somewhere along the line. Or this franchise will have lost some of my respect.

[DV8]

I don't really care to see Robin either . . . at all

But, if they did the character some justice, it could work . . . . they would need to make him into Nightwing pretty quick, though . . . like by the span of 2 flicks . . . .