Which Villian Should Be Set Up For The Sequel In This Movie?

[Calendar Man]

Hopefully this is an acceptable question on here.

I forgot to put a poll but choices include Brainaic, Metallo, Darkseid, Bizzaro, Parasite, etc.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Braniac imo will be the main villain of the next new Superman movie.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Would be great to have Braniac manipulate Lex, and Lex manipulating Metallo.

[Calendar Man]

I have to say Darkseid because he is my second favorite villian of all time but I agree Brainiac would make more sense next.

[CGHulk]

I'd like to see Brainiac in the next film!

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I have to say Darkseid because he is my second favorite villian of all time but I agree Brainiac would make more sense next.

Save Darkseid for a 3rd, maybe if possible 4th.

[Calendar Man]

Save Darkseid for a 3rd, maybe if possible 4th.

Yeah if they only do 3, the final battle should be Supes and Darkseid one on one.

[Calendar Man]

Oh come on. No one uses this forum.

[Superman \S/]

Brainiac would be great!

[Calendar Man]

Yeah it should be Brainiac or Darkseid. I don't think Metallo or Parasite could carry a movie. They are cool but kind of gimmick villians.

[superlakerman]

I read somewhere that theres already plans for a sequel, and its set for 2009. Very exciting , I also would like Brainiac as the villian

[lochneffmonster]

It'll definitely be better than SR.

[Kane]

Has anyone seen the Justice League episode "Twillight"? It was awesome. It incorperated Brainiac AND Darksied into the story extremely well.

Perhaps they should both be the villians. A fullscale invasion of Apokalips on Earth while Luthor and Lexcorp are under the control of Brainiac.

[Calendar Man]

Yeah man I just watched those two episodes recently! They were amazing. Darkseid kicks Orion's ass!

[Jake-El]

How about letting the main villain be ..... Brandon Routh fighting what turns out to be the REAL Superman after Routh is laughed out of Hollywood?>

[TheFalcon]

Brainiac would be great to see on screen. Maybe mix him abit with metallo and have his powersource be kryptonite?
He should also team-up with Luthor somehow.

My idea would be to have Luthor's company find him in a floating space-ship or something from Krypton and then take him back to Earth. Then Lex discovers his origin and tells him about Superman. They make a plan which Brainiac ultimately betrays. He tries to kill Luthor and goes after Supes himself. Luthor survives and since he is his usual arrogant self he can't stand somebody else killing Superman. Therefore he is forced to help Superman shut down Brainiac.

I think that could work really well as the main plot.

[DOO BEE]

Braniac.... classic braniac!!!!!

[Metropolis_Man]

I still want to see an actual Bizzaro in the film. He's become my favorite lately. Braniac would be nice and Metallo as well.

[Dr.HugoStrange]

Mongul

[hippie_hunter]

Darkseid, Metallo, Brainaic, Lex Luthor, and Bizarro are the only villains that should be used in a Superman movie in my opinon. The rest may be good in the comics but would totally suck in a movie.

[Calendar Man]

Mongul

Mongul might be good. I could see it somewhat.

[Trooper]

I hope this isn't a existing thread, if it is then admins know what to do, but it wouldnt hurt to start again since we are this deep into the course of this movie. So the question is as stated in the thread?

However i havent put Lex Luthor down as an option... for obvious reasons :up:

Vote on the poll, the following pics should help you come to a conclusion.
(Wikipedia info).

Which Villian Should Be Set Up For The Sequel In This Movie? :supes:

Brainiac

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/Luthoriac.jpg

Doomsday

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/Doomsday.jpg/330px-Doomsday.jpg

Darkseid

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Darkseid.png

Bizarro

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3a/ActionComics785.jpg/393px-ActionComics785.jpg

[Trooper]

General Zod

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/Superman-215.jpg

Metallo

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fc/Metallo5.jpg

Parasite

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d1/Parasitedc.jpg


Vote on...:up:

[Orko Is King]

Metallo...they could do him like the Terminator with a Kryptonite heart. That's some scary **** right there.

[Mr. Thing]

Parasite.

[Kandorcitizen]

General Zod again with Jude law

[Threshold]

I'd love to see them do a sequel with Brainiac & Bizarro as the villains. Brainiac being the manipulator and everything, whilst Bizarro brings on the physical threat.

[Mentok]

From the sound of things, two possible bad guys are set up in this film.

The old rumor from JCDC seems to have been spot on... Brainiac is set up in this film, although he is not in the usual form

And It looks like Metallo might be the other that has a set up in this.

[Trooper]

General Zod again with Jude law

I want to see General Zod set free due to the fact that the phantom zone some how opens after the mayhem in superman returns with Lex's FOS... just an idea. and maybe Zod could have the aid of Doomsday to help him.

[batman44]

I could go for either Brainiac, Metallo, Parasite, or Bizzaro.

[Capt. Jack]

i never wanna see zod again and it is although it would be too soon to kill off superman i would love to see doomsday but since that is kinda silly i will go with anyone superman can have a superbadassbattle with bizzaro, some made up character like ty-zor i don't care just so we can have something that looked like the end of matrix revolutions but way longer

[Saint]

Darkseid, Brainiac, or Metallo. Though Darkseid would be a real challenge on screen.

[batman44]

Darkseid, Brainiac, or Metallo. Though Darkseid would be a real challenge on screen.

I think Darkseid would be better for the threequel, I think he's too big for the next sequel.

[BareKnucklez]

I would like to see the return of "Gus Gorman" the real greatest criminal mind in the world! Oh, and since Richard is nolonger with us get Dave Chappelle to play Gus Gorman... :up: :)

[CConn]

Brainiac.

I'd love to see Bizzarro and Metallo, but they are, IMO at least, more side villains than anything else.

Darkseid would be awesome to see as well, but that'd best be saved for later on in the series, I think.

[Lobo]

I think the 2nd will be Metallo and the third Brainiac

[Kane]

It should be Brainiac.



Im really doubting Metallo for one major reason. The video game already explores Superman fighting and defeating Metallo....it would take too much out of the movie if Metallo is the only villian.

[Lobo]

It should be Brainiac.



Im really doubting Metallo for one major reason. The video game already explores Superman fighting and defeating Metallo....it would take too much out of the movie if Metallo is the only villian.


well you could have Metallo's body be made of an alien alloy given to Lex by brainiac as a weapon to kill Superman, and use brainiac as the fianl villain of the trilogy

[The Punisher]

Brainiac for me.

[Warhammer]

Brainiac.

Because...

I want him, He is Superman's best baddie after Lex.
Darkseid is too soon.
Doomsday couldnt hold a movie on his own.
Metallo......is just Metallo.

:cool:

[Kane]

well you could have Metallo's body be made of an alien alloy given to Lex by brainiac as a weapon to kill Superman, and use brainiac as the fianl villain of the trilogy

Its not a trilogy man... Theres going to be several movies.

Id say Brainiac and Lex for the second movie.

The Darkseid/Apolalips/New Genesis story for the third.

[Triano]

i think it would be nice to have the braniac story next, however they would do it, whether it be the STAS method, of braniac being kryptonian and having a great deal to do with that planet's destruction or a pre-crisis-inspired tale with a brand new take (the one i'm hoping for), i think braniac and lex and MAYBE metallo (like the one guy said) because of the obvious leap in tech that it would take to put a guy's brain into a machine body with a kryptonite heart...yeah, braniac.

i'd like to see parasite done well, too, but they'd have to tweak his origin too to put him with someobdy else. who, i don;t know...who WOULD work well with parasite?

[Superman \S/]

I'd have to say Brainiac and Metallo for sure. Both are my favorite Superman villains and i really think could fit well if they were in a sequel. Metallo though i don't think he'll be in the sequel manily because he's taken care of in the game. Unless they continue the Metallo Superman fight in the sequel continuing it from the game. That could work. Brainiac though is just the right choice. If in SR there was a mentioning of him or maybe a hint setting up for the sequel that would be great. I think him as the villain could serve well manily because he has something to do with Krypton and if maybe he were to fight Superman Lex would have something to do with it as well. Zod i don't think should be in a sequel. Why? He's been in the other Superman movies and to probably explain Zod in SR would be when Superman leaves it's somewhere in the Daily Planet mentioning? I don't know, but i don't really want to see him. Have Superman face a new foe. Doomsday i don't think would be great to see in a movie. Just having him beat Superman and be after him i can't see playing out in a film. Darkseid i would really like to see him but not in the sequel, i think the the right time would be in later sequels. Bizarro i think is also in the game so i don't expect to see him in a Superman movie. And Parasite again i think is one of the villains in the game but he is a villain i want to see so maybe as a secondary villain during the movie.

So defienetly Brainiac or Metallo.

[Triano]

The Darkseid/Apolalips/New Genesis story for the third.

i'm sorry, but that's not going to happen in ANY film. it's way too convoluted, outside superman's range, and, frankly, ridiculous to be in a serious superman film. it's a nutty story about an extra-dimensional dictator with heat vision and rock skin and flying rock monkeys for pets on a volcano planet with...i mean, come on. george lucas would have trouble putting something this OUT THERE in a star wars film, nevermind a superman movie.

and how about the logistics of the story? how does he get there? WHY? is manheim and intergang a part of it? how long IS this movie, 5, 6 hours long?

[Superman \S/]

From the sound of things, two possible bad guys are set up in this film.

The old rumor from JCDC seems to have been spot on... Brainiac is set up in this film, although he is not in the usual form

And It looks like Metallo might be the other that has a set up in this.

Could you post the link to it?

[Mentok]

Could you post the link to it?

I dont know if the thread is still around since JC has been banned so many times.

I will try and find it.

[Lobo]

Its not a trilogy man... Theres going to be several movies.

Id say Brainiac and Lex for the second movie.

The Darkseid/Apolalips/New Genesis story for the third.


The New Gods aare too much for one movie, there will be 3 films, any more than that is too many IMO

[Superman \S/]

I dont know if the thread is still around since JC has been banned so many times.

I will try and find it.

Cool, thanks Mentok. :up:

[Eros]

maybe they should do another Lex story, because hes the best, and most interesting and most well known superman villan. The other villians lack any kind of motivation, and Braniac doesnt even have a reason for hateing superman or comeing to earth. Besides superman should be able to beat metallo without even touching him, and the same would go for the other "villians".

[KaptainKrypton]

maybe they should do another Lex story, because hes the best, and most interesting and most well known superman villan. The other villians lack any kind of motivation, and Braniac doesnt even have a reason for hateing superman or comeing to earth. Besides superman should be able to beat metallo without even touching him, and the same would go for the other "villians".
He does have the most depth out of any of the villains in Superman's universe. I do think that Darkseid could be amazing (IF he was done right). If someone like the Parasite was set up, then I'd have Luthor also involved in the storyline somehow. If it was Doomsday, then I'd have a HUGE movie that encompasses the Death Of and Returns storylines which would make the main focus on the villainy of Henshaw (and Mongul as well if he was given his own movie setup earlier in the series). That's the only way I could see Doomsday being remotely effective onscreen in the confines of a two or three hour movie. And Luthor, Darkseid, or Henshaw would have to have a hand in creating him (and possibly controlling him) so that he'd be worthwhile. Or he'd have to be intelligent...which would kind of defeat the purpose of a berserker rampage...


...I've put way too much thought into this.:)

[BH/HHH]

I would say Brainiac and/or Mettallo.

[dark_b]

well spacey confirmed that he will be in the sequel. so i guess a team-up with lex and a supervillain.

[Spike_x1]

i'd like to see parasite done well, too, but they'd have to tweak his origin too to put him with someobdy else. who, i don;t know...who WOULD work well with parasite?You're a fool with bad grammar. Why exactly would they have to make another character into the Parasite? What possible reasoning do you have for that?

I don't want Zod to appear in a sequel or to be hinted at in this movie, though I would love for many other villains to be set up in this movie (that doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to show up as villains in sequels afterall. Just show their alternate ID's, ala Dr. Connors in Spider-man 2). Show Hank Henshaw (the Cyborg Superman) as the pilot of the space shuttle that Superman saves, show Alex Trent (Bloodsport), John Corben (Metallo), Rudy Jones (the Parasite), Kitty Faulkner (Rampage), Dr. Killgrave, whoever.

[Naite22]

The ending of Superman Returns shouldn't have the USUAL cliffhanger ending, like in all other superhero movies! A villain should definitly be hinted at through out the movie, but not at the very end, like in all others.. RETURNS should end with the beautiful shot of Supes flying in space and looking into the camera smiling just as he flies past.. RETURNS should end with an epic feel.. the world has gotten back their savior! It should be a good satisfying ending. When you're walking out of that theater you should be thinking of what an amazing film you've just seen, not speculate over who might be the villain in the 3 YEARS AWAY SEQUEL!...

[Kane]

i'm sorry, but that's not going to happen in ANY film. it's way too convoluted, outside superman's range, and, frankly, ridiculous to be in a serious superman film. it's a nutty story about an extra-dimensional dictator with heat vision and rock skin and flying rock monkeys for pets on a volcano planet with...i mean, come on. george lucas would have trouble putting something this OUT THERE in a star wars film, nevermind a superman movie.

Well George Lucas has a lack of vision nowadays. Superman could easily be described as a 'nutty convoluted' character too but through the process of developing this motion picture; he becomes real.

and how about the logistics of the story? how does he get there? WHY? is manheim and intergang a part of it? how long IS this movie, 5, 6 hours long?

This is how I'd handle the story. No intergang or manheim, just like SR the storyline can be reinvented and tweaked to work on its own.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8050177&postcount=16

I'd say Darkseid is a pretty central and popular Superman villian. Hes also one of the most challenging and twisted foes Superman has ever faced. Hes an actual match for Superman in battle too as his Omega Rays could potentially do serious damage to Supes. I could really see Michael Clarke Duncan playing him (he has the voice) and bringing the character to life.

[Kane]

The New Gods aare too much for one movie, there will be 3 films, any more than that is too many IMO

The new god story can work. The animated series introduced them over the span of a 2part episode remember? They basically just gave a vague backstory to the New Genesis/Apololips conflict.

3 movies at most? Ridiculous. Im confident there will be way more beyond a trilogy if SR is successful. The same with Batman Begins....both could last for several movies and I think Routh and Bale would be ready to do them if the scripts are good.

[Kane]

i think it would be nice to have the braniac story next, however they would do it, whether it be the STAS method, of braniac being kryptonian and having a great deal to do with that planet's destruction or a pre-crisis-inspired tale with a brand new take (the one i'm hoping for), i think braniac and lex and MAYBE metallo (like the one guy said) because of the obvious leap in tech that it would take to put a guy's brain into a machine body with a kryptonite heart...yeah, braniac.

i'd like to see parasite done well, too, but they'd have to tweak his origin too to put him with someobdy else. who, i don;t know...who WOULD work well with parasite?

Hmmm Parasites in the video game too so I dont know if he'll be a strong villian to use.

They shouldnt tie Brainiac with Krypton, STAS did it to make Brainiac into a composite character with Eradicator. I'd say they should do an adaption of the classic Vril Dox story.

[Lobo]

The new god story can work. The animated series introduced them over the span of a 2part episode remember? They basically just gave a vague backstory to the New Genesis/Apololips conflict.

3 movies at most? Ridiculous. Im confident there will be way more beyond a trilogy if SR is successful. The same with Batman Begins....both could last for several movies and I think Routh and Bale would be ready to do them if the scripts are good.


you have to undertsand I'm a New gods whore and I feel they deserve their own movie.

It doesnt matter if a villain is in a video game, in fact that will probably make people want to see those villains in the movies even more.

I have strong feeling Metallo will be set up for the sequel, and Brainiac for the third (Though he should just be called Vril Dox as IMO Brainiac would be al aughable name to the general public)

And if there is a fourth then I'd love to see Mongul

[Showtime]

I don't remember a Metallo rumor?

[Kane]

The only problem with the character already appearing in the SR video game is you already see a storyline featuring him and see Brandon Routh's Superman defeating him.. It takes away alot from the movie if hes the lead villian.

We also see Metallo's mecha-type giant robot in the game too. I dont think Spiderman ever used any of it's extra villians they put into the video games for the movies.

Not that I wouldnt mind Metallo, but it would be pretty boring to me if Ive already faced him off in the game. Brainiac seems the best choice.

For some reason, if Singer has creative control for future films, I could see him using Bizzaro ...humanizing the character and making him into some King Kong type that the audience develops sympathy for.

[Lobo]

I don't remember a Metallo rumor?


There were a lot of rumors that john Corben/Metallo would be in this film during the early stages of Dan and mike writing it

[Lobo]

The only problem with the character already appearing in the SR video game is you already see a storyline featuring him and see Brandon Routh's Superman defeating him.. It takes away alot from the movie if hes the lead villian.

We also see Metallo's mecha-type giant robot in the game too. I dont think Spiderman ever used any of it's extra villians they put into the video games for the movies.

Not that I wouldnt mind Metallo, but it would be pretty boring to me if Ive already faced him off in the game. Brainiac seems the best choice.

For some reason, if Singer has creative control for future films, I could see him using Bizzaro ...humanizing the character and making him into some King Kong type that the audience develops sympathy for.


So if they put Darkseid in the game you wouldnt want him in the movie?

[Kane]

you have to undertsand I'm a New gods whore and I feel they deserve their own movie.


Ya I dont see that happening. Superman is probably the best outlet to deal with them or at least introduce them.

Off topic here, I dont even think a Green Arrow movie would fly right away (given the similarities to Batman) so they best way to deal with him is to introduce Oliver Queen (before becoming GA) in the GL movie. If his character is popular with the audience, then they'll know that a GA movie would fly featuring him.

I think Darkseid would be a very popular villian if used. I mean the entire DCAU ended in a final battle between him and Superman. Theyre pretty intergrated to each other from a public prespective. His interactions with Luthor were pretty priceless too.

[Kane]

So if they put Darkseid in the game you wouldnt want him in the movie?

Exactly. I wouldnt. But I think they were smart enough not to, they didnt really use any major powerhouse villians in this game....Metallo, Parasite, Cadmus Creatures etc Almost seems like the usage of characters not strong enough to support an entire movie based around them.

[Lobo]

Exactly. I wouldnt. But I think they were smart enough not to, they didnt really use any major powerhouse villians in this game....Metallo, Parasite, Cadmus Creatures etc Almost seems like the usage of characters not strong enough to support an entire movie based around them.


If you want the game to be any fun, those characters, should be in the game AND a movie, imagine seeing a live action fight of what you did in the game, the appearance in a game will increase the villains profile and make people want those characters in a film. Also IMO a Lex and Metallo working together is easily strong enough to supprt a film

[Kane]

Um the characters of the second movie will obviously appear in the game for the second movie...

Were still dealing with the game for the first movie.

[Lobo]

Um the characters of the second movie will obviously appear in the game for the second movie...

Were still dealing with the game for the first movie.


more than the charcters that apear in this film will be in the game, and it seems like you dont want any game to have good villains coz then that would ruin future movies to you, which makes no sense to me

[Kane]

Erg no listen. The major villians should appear first in the movie and then in the subsequent game associated with that movie. All the secondary villians in the games should be ones not intended for usage in the films.

I wouldnt mind Metallo appearing in the game for the sequel if hes IN the second film....but appearing in the first, way before the sequel, kinda takes alot of the excitement out of seeing how he would appear in the sequel movie for me.

[Lobo]

I got ya now, but for me personally it's reversed. seeing them in the game would make me want to seee them even more on screen

[Showtime]

There were a lot of rumors that john Corben/Metallo would be in this film during the early stages of Dan and mike writing it

I remember that, but don't remember any during production. Unless my Richard White theory comes true.

[Il_Siciliano]

Braniac is the obvious choice. Metallo is a side-villain at best.
This will NEVER happen. But I'd love to see:
(second movie) Luthor is dealing with an alien dictator (Darkseid? Mongul?) to ensure that he (the alien) can take over the earth, letting Luthor rule as a "puppet-king". The alien is far away, and in the meantime Luthor must get rid of Superman to make the invasion easier. He does this by using some sort of technology/robot/enemy supplied by the alien (Braniac? Doomsday?). Epic battle, Superman wins, but barely and is horribly weakened. He flies in to face Luthor who is staring into a screen completely awestruck.
Luthor "What have I done..."
Superman looks up into the sky. His face contorts into somthing resembling true fear.
Cut to outer space. An IMMENSE array of nasty looking spacecrafts hovers just out of the atmosphere.
The invasion begins.

(Movie three) Superman is defeated at the beginning, being weakened by his battle in movie 2. Aliens take over, cover the sky (sun can't get through).
Luthor works on technology that can pierce through the sun shield so that Superman can regain his powers. He succeeds. Superman fights alien invaders. Basically Independence Day with Superman.

I'd like that.

[Showtime]

^Sounds cool.

I like the idea of Braniac and Lex using Metallo as a physical force.

[Cinemaman]

I want Brainiac to be the main villain in sequel.

I hope Singer will include it in next movie.

[Showtime]

It's possible.

[Il_Siciliano]

I think that if he does he should not call him Braniac. An alien has no business having a name like Braniac in 21st century movies. If he wants to call him Braniac he must be a computer created on earth, some highly publicised-ultratech new computer which nasa (or whoever) has been working on for ages. Now it is released, and a new prosperous age for humnity can commence. But the computer is posessed by the consciousness of an alien, Vril Dox, who uses Braniac to blablablabla, among other things, to create Metallo. This was made possible by Luthor, who hacked into Braniac, opening a gateway for Vril to go through, in return for special privileges once the world conquest has succeeded.
Vril is the vanguard of a full-on invasion by some intergalactic mofo like Darkseid. Who invades in movie III.
This way we get Darkseid using Braniac using Metallo thanks to the aid of Lex, who also helps Superman in movie 3.

(this is all referring to my previous post, on page 2 in this thread)

[Kane]

If he was a superpowerful computer created on Vril Dox named "Brainiac," I could see why he would continue to use that designation.

He should be that alien computer that inhabits the body of human Milton Fine....and then becomes the supervillian we all know and love.

[Cinemaman]

I think he should be Brainiac - computer system from Krypton with organic code virus.

It would be great villian for Superman.

[Il_Siciliano]

If he was a superpowerful computer created on Vril Dox named "Brainiac," I could see why he would continue to use that designation.

He should be that alien computer that inhabits the body of human Milton Fine....and then becomes the supervillian we all know and love.

unless i misunderstood your post, i think the problem with this is that there is no reason an alien lifeform woul call a computer "braniac", as it is a word-play in the English language, a computer that can somehow emulate the thought-processes of a human brain.
The name "Braniac" indicates a human conception of the computer, a human giving it the name, a human sense of humour (inherent in the naming) etc.

[Kane]

unless i misunderstood your post, i think the problem with this is that there is no reason an alien lifeform woul call a computer "braniac", as it is a word-play in the English language, a computer that can somehow emulate the thought-processes of a human brain.
The name "Braniac" indicates a human conception of the computer, a human giving it the name, a human sense of humour (inherent in the naming) etc.

Hmm, perhaps he could have an alien name.....and Superman or Lois with the Daily Planet gives him the nickname 'braniac' upon his first appearance.

[Il_Siciliano]

Hmm, perhaps he could have an alien name.....and Superman or Lois with the Daily Planet gives him the nickname 'braniac' upon his first appearance.


:up: that would work fine

[Il_Siciliano]

On a similar note, I always had a problem with the \S/ being Kryptonian. It's too convenient that a Kryptonian symbol also look like the S for Superman. Cause in the interest of "realism" or at least logic we have to make up our minds: does the S stand for Superman or is it a symbol from Krypton? Cause it can't be both.

[Kane]

\S/ is the Kryptonian symbol for 'El' (meaning its the symbol that represents the house of El; Clark's bloodline)

It does resemble the letter S but it doesnt mean 's'. (\8/ means the letter 's' in Kryptonian)

When Superman first appears in Metropolis, Lois (obviously unaware of Kryptonian symbols) mistakes it for the letter 's' and thus gives him the name Superman.

[Il_Siciliano]

\S/ is the Kryptonian symbol for 'El' (meaning its the symbol that represents the house of El; Clark's bloodline)

It does resemble the letter S but it doesnt mean 's'. (\8/ means the letter 's' in Kryptonian)

When Superman first appears in Metropolis, Lois (obviously unaware of Kryptonian symbols) mistakes it for the letter 's' and thus gives him the name Superman.

Yes, but the 8 thing if I am not mistaken was originally a Smalville thing. Superman initially (Action comics 1938) wore an S for Superman on his chest.
I always had a problem with the whole Smalville, STM, Birthright kind thing in which the S has a special significance. I prefer the Byrne version in which Ma Kent comes up with it AFTER Lois calls Clark "Superman".

[King Krypton]

Hmmm Parasites in the video game too so I dont know if he'll be a strong villian to use.

They shouldnt tie Brainiac with Krypton, STAS did it to make Brainiac into a composite character with Eradicator. I'd say they should do an adaption of the classic Vril Dox story.

The Vril Dox origin was a convoluted mess. Give me a clear-cut killer AI any day.

The origin doesn't have to be Kryptonian, but the personality and motivations the cartoon gave him are perfect. Keep that, just have him be a Coluan computer. Problem solved.

I always had a problem with the whole Smalville, STM, Birthright kind thing in which the S has a special significance.

Why shouldn't it have a special significance? If it's just a symbol the Kents whip up out of thin air, it has no meaning behind it. Making it Kryptonian not only explains the emblem's design, but it also gives it a cultural weight. It's a mark of his heritage and of his destiny, and as such it has a trenchance and depth that would otherwise be lacking.

Besides, the Kryptonian origin of the emblem's been a staple of every mass-media Superman thus far. I'd say that means the concept works.

[Il_Siciliano]

Why shouldn't it have a special significance? If it's just a symbol the Kents whip up out of thin air, it has no meaning behind it. Making it Kryptonian not only explains the emblem's design, but it also gives it a cultural weight. It's a mark of his heritage and of his destiny, and as such it has a trenchance and depth that would otherwise be lacking.

Besides, the Kryptonian origin of the emblem's been a staple of every mass-media Superman thus far. I'd say that means the concept works.

I dunno, mate, it's just that I feel that the weight of the \S/ can just be due to what it means to the world as a symbol of Superman. I don't see why it need to be a cultural heritage from Krypton. I always saw it as an S for Superman. Giving it a Kryptonian origin kinda feels like "oh by the way, you're gonna love this! you know that \S/ Superman wears? Well yeah, it's actually a Kryptonian symbol. Yeah, it's his family's emblem. How neat is that?! So lucky he's called Superman and not Ultraman cause that way he gets to keep the symbol which also happens to look like the initial of his superhero alias!"
I understnd what you're saying, but it just doesn't feel right to me somehow.

[Kane]

Yes, but the 8 thing if I am not mistaken was originally a Smalville thing. Superman initially (Action comics 1938) wore an S for Superman on his chest.
I always had a problem with the whole Smalville, STM, Birthright kind thing in which the S has a special significance. I prefer the Byrne version in which Ma Kent comes up with it AFTER Lois calls Clark "Superman".

The \8/ was part of the Kryptonian Alphabet way before Smallville mistakenly used it.

The \S/ in "Superman Returns" has a special significance (represents the El family)......the name Superman is given to him by the people based on their perception of the crest.

[Kane]

The Vril Dox origin was a convoluted mess. Give me a clear-cut killer AI any day.

The origin doesn't have to be Kryptonian, but the personality and motivations the cartoon gave him are perfect. Keep that, just have him be a Coluan computer. Problem solved.


Ya thats what I meant.

[Spike_x1]

I got ya now, but for me personally it's reversed. seeing them in the game would make me want to seee them even more on screenSame here.

I've also seen the villains in the cartoons, comics, fanart, other video games, etc. Does any of that previous exposure to the characters make me want to see them on screen any less? Hell no. :o

[Il_Siciliano]

the name Superman is given to him by the people based on their perception of the crest.

well, yes. but i was raised on byrne superman, who was called Superman by Lois Lane because he was Super not because of the S (he didn't have a costume at the time). I take your point though

[Kane]

Same here.

I've also seen the villains in the cartoons, comics, fanart, other video games, etc. Does any of that previous exposure to the characters make me want to see them on screen any less? Hell no. :o

Well in the context of the SR franchaise, it would take something away. Especially if the Metallo in the video game represents how Singer would interpret him and tell John Corben's story....

It would take much out of the surprise of seeing how the character was presented in a future film.

[Kane]

well, yes. but i was raised on byrne superman, who was called Superman by Lois Lane because he was Super not because of the S (he didn't have a costume at the time). I take your point though

Well ya, I was just explaining it in relevance to SR. The comics are another story though, after IC #6 Man of Steel by Byrne should be the official origins again..

The damage Superboy did by causing the Birthright time alteration is rumored to be reversed.

[Spike_x1]

Well in the context of the SR franchaise, it would take something away. Especially if the Metallo in the video game represents how Singer would interpret him and tell John Corben's story....

It would take much out of the surprise of seeing how the character was presented in a future film.What's to stop Singer from introducing Metallo in a different way? What possible reason could he have for copying the game's giant Metallo when he could do the normal sized (and more interesting) version and make it a hundred times cooler than the lamo GodzillaCorben?

[Kane]

What's to stop Singer from introducing Metallo in a different way? What possible reason could he have for copying the game's giant Metallo when he could do the normal sized (and more interesting) version and make it a hundred times cooler than the lamo GodzillaCorben?

Um Metallo is normal sized in the game...the giant mecha is just something he pilots (prolly for the final level). The trailer shows Superman ripping Metallo out of the cockpit of the robot.

[Spike_x1]

Um Metallo is normal sized in the game...the giant mecha is just something he pilots (prolly for the final level). The trailer shows Superman ripping Metallo out of the cockpit of the robot.Um, forgive me for not caring if he pilots it or if he's actually that size. :rolleyes:

It's still John Corben's brain controlling the damn thing, and it's still lame.

[Kane]

Its actually from the comics (the Giant Metallo) and thats not the point, the game will have to deal with Metallos backstory and origins too....I guess Singer could make *another* origin and story for the movie too...but then it would be like rendering this game moot.....plus the game based off the sequel would have to feature Metallo also.

Id prefer if it didnt do that...its unecessarily convoluted.

[Spike_x1]

Its actually from the comics (the Giant Metallo)I'm well aware that it is from the comics (when did I say it wasn't?), but that doesn't change the fact that it's stupid.and thats not the point, the game will have to deal with Metallos backstory and origins too....I guess Singer could make *another* origin and story for the movie too...but then it would be like rendering this game moot.....plus the game based off the sequel would have to feature Metallo also.

Id prefer if it didnt do that...its unecessarily convoluted.I've watched Metallo's origin in S:TAS, I've read it in Superman #1, and I've read his pre-crisis origin(s) too.

Does that make Metallo's stories convulted? No :rolleyes:. They're all different and they're all fresh and interesting. Who's to say that Corben's transformation in the sequel (if he appears) will be exactly as it's shown in the game?

[Kane]

.I've watched Metallo's origin in S:TAS,?

Ditto.

I've read it in Superman #1

have it.

and I've read his pre-crisis origin(s) too.

Ditto again.


Does that make Metallo's stories convulted? No :rolleyes:. They're all different and they're all fresh and interesting. Who's to say that Corben's transformation in the sequel (if he appears) will be exactly as it's shown in the game?

Im only refering if the SR writers and Singer had creative input on how the character will be handled in the game....whether the Metallo in the game reflects Singer's vision of the character..

If it does, it kinda spoils seeing that vision on the big screen later on.

[Lobo]

I think you're putting to much emphasis on the game. Not everyone who will see the movie and it's sequels are going to get and play the game, so whatever Singer and Co do will be new to them, personally I almost never play games anymore

[Kane]

I guess. But Id rather see something fresh that hasnt been done by the SR people yet...like Brainiac.

[Threshold]

What about that whole Suicide Squad thing that was in the comics a couple of years ago. I could see Singer doing something similar to that in the next film. What ever opposition Superman goes up against, it'll be one that tests him physically, mentally, and emotionally. That's something you can always guarantee when dealing with a Bryan Singer film. Thank goodness! :)

[Kane]

Humanity VS Superman. I could see that...something along the lines of JLU season 2, it would also be the perfect way to introduce Cadmus and bring about Bizzaro or Doomsday.

[The Kid]

Batman

[explode7]

How'd I know so much people would say Brainiac. Its the only villain that makes sense seeing as how people will become familiar with him over the course of this saeson of Smallville and probably the next.

[Spike_x1]

Ditto.

have it.

Ditto again.What was the point of that? :confused:

[jusblaze21]

I'd like to see Parasite, but that's just me.

[Kane]

What was the point of that? :confused:

The same point as you listing them I suppose.

[Spike_x1]

I listed them to show that there have been numerous interpretations of Metallo's origin in the past, and that scripting a new origin isn't exactly unfamiliar territory.

[Kane]

I listed them to show that there have been numerous interpretations of Metallo's origin in the past, and that scripting a new origin isn't exactly unfamiliar territory.

I listed them to show I was aware of those origins and theyre totally irrelavant to the point.

I never refered to them, I only referred to Singer being forced to develop 2 different visions for the character (assuming the Metallo represented in the SR video game is from his vision of the character).

[Spike_x1]

I listed them to show I was aware of those origins and theyre totally irrelavant to the point.You never stated that or anything like that.

How exactly is it irrelevant? It proves that there's more than one way to imagine a character.I never refered to them, I only referred to Singer being forced to develop 2 different visions for the character (assuming the Metallo represented in the SR video game is from his vision of the character).What law says that he can't he have two different visions of Metallo?

[Octoberist]

Anybody but Zod. Been there, done that.

If Singer picked Zod, honest to God, I would thinking "There's more rogues out there to chose from!"

[Cinemaman]

I think Zod should have only cameo or 5 minutes at the beginning of SR2.

It would be enough.

And I also see Brainiac as the main villian in sequel, but without main part. Brainiac will also have some connection with Lex Luthor. It would be great.
Metallo will be the main villain for Superman in action sequences. Metallo will be some kind of Luthor's weapon, which will be made by special technology of Brainiac.
And also, Brainiac will have a big dialogue with Superman. But there will be final battle between Superman and Brainiac, and Superman will totaly destroy Brainiac.
Brainiac will be also psyhological competitor for Kal-El. And I want Lex to have his own technology company in sequel.

In SR3 I would like to have Darkseid. Lex will have influence on politics and even president. Darkseid will have another look. And at the end Superman will win
the battle between him, Darkseid and Darkseid's army. But Superman will be near death after this fight. Also, when Superman fights with Darkseid, he will show
his dark side and will kill Darkseid.

[Kane]

If their using Darkseid. I wana see him use a young kryptonian child, Kara Zorel, as a pawn and hostage, for Superman to save.

[Kane]

I think Zod should have only cameo or 5 minutes at the beginning of SR2.


I'd prefer if Zod made a surprise cameo in this film (flashback sequence to Superman's last adventure before departing Earth)

[Calendar Man]

I'm really thinking it will be...

2nd=Brainiac

3rd=Darkseid

[The Overlord]

The problem is if Brainiac is a robot Metallo will seem redundant. Also the true Darksied (not Jobbersied) should be far too powerful for just Superman, he should be a JLA villain or something.

[Trooper]

What about that whole Suicide Squad thing that was in the comics a couple of years ago. I could see Singer doing something similar to that in the next film. What ever opposition Superman goes up against, it'll be one that tests him physically, mentally, and emotionally. That's something you can always guarantee when dealing with a Bryan Singer film. Thank goodness! :)

No.

[Quentin Beck]

I'd like Doomsday

[DarKush]

I like the idea of humanity v. Superman. Bring Cadmus in. The idea that everyone liked and trusted Superman should be explored and debunked in the new movies. CCH Pounder or Angela Bassett for big screen Amanda Waller.

Other than that I would like to see Metallo and Parasite get big screen treatment. I really liked how they were done in STAS.

To get really radical, how about a retooled Ultra Humanite. An ultraintelligent mind in the body of a hot actress might be cool to see. Don't want to go the ape route. Especially if the Ultra Humanite teams up with Luthor.

Of course I would also like to see Brainiac, Doomsday, Zod, and Darkseid. They are the obvious choices. As much as I love Zod, I don't want to see him if they can't get someone comparable to Terrence Stamp or better. It might be better to go with Jax'Or and Mala from STAS. I also wonder if a movie Brainiac will be able to top James Marsters on Smallville.

A brief Titano cameo might also be cool to see. But I wouldn't want him being the main villian. Perhaps starting off a movie with Supes taking out Titano.

[The Overlord]

Why does everyone like Doomsday, he's not a character, he's a plot device.

[Kane]

And if they ever use him, he should be a plot device by Lex and Cadmus again.. though I doubt its even necessary to use him.

[DarKush]

In response to Overlord,

I like Doomsday because he is walking destruction. When he was introduced he couldn't be bargained with, talked to. He had no known weaknesses, no attachments. He pushed Superman to the limits like none of his other villians had. And in the end he killed Superman. Something no other villian had done at the time...to my knowledge. (I might be wrong on that point. If so I apologize in advance).

I think the Kryptonian origin should be kept. Even though the Cadmus tie would be cool too. It would also make sense that Cadmus and Luthor are developing contingency plans for Supes. But if they go that route please make him better than Nuclear Man.

[The Overlord]

In response to Overlord,

I like Doomsday because he is walking destruction. When he was introduced he couldn't be bargained with, talked to. He had no known weaknesses, no attachments. He pushed Superman to the limits like none of his other villians had. And in the end he killed Superman. Something no other villian had done at the time...to my knowledge. (I might be wrong on that point. If so I apologize in advance).

I think the Kryptonian origin should be kept. Even though the Cadmus tie would be cool too. It would also make sense that Cadmus and Luthor are developing contingency plans for Supes. But if they go that route please make him better than Nuclear Man.

I always thought Superman being killed by some unthinking plot device was lame, why couldn't an established villain do it, Mongul would havbe been better, he at least had a history with Supes. Frankly I would be happy if we never see that walking plot device on the silver screen, give some screen time with characters that have depth.

[WhatsHisFace]

Braniac could have an opening for very intellectual ideas and dialogue. Might make this one for the critics.

[DarKush]

I always thought Superman being killed by some unthinking plot device was lame, why couldn't an established villain do it, Mongul would havbe been better, he at least had a history with Supes. Frankly I would be happy if we never see that walking plot device on the silver screen, give some screen time with characters that have depth.

I love Doomsday, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think he is a more striking figure, and is a better visual than Mongul. I like the fact that he is fueled by rage, is pretty much unthinking, a killing machine. It's something Superman isn't used to facing.

The Superman/Doomsday fight itself could be a character defining moment for Doomsday, with no cool or witty or forced dialogue. We would figure out what he's all about in how he fights. It could be a ballet of destruction.

If done correctly, hopefully with better, more realistic CGI than in the Hulk movie, Doomsday would be a pretty awesome sight to see on the big screen in my eyes.

Mongul is okay, but he'll be another "I want to conquer the galaxy" type. I would rather see Darkseid than Mongul in a Superman movie. Maybe Mongul could be teaming up with someone, but not the main show.

[The Overlord]

I love Doomsday, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think he is a more striking figure, and is a better visual than Mongul. I like the fact that he is fueled by rage, is pretty much unthinking, a killing machine. It's something Superman isn't used to facing.

The Superman/Doomsday fight itself could be a character defining moment for Doomsday, with no cool or witty or forced dialogue. We would figure out what he's all about in how he fights. It could be a ballet of destruction.

If done correctly, hopefully with better, more realistic CGI than in the Hulk movie, Doomsday would be a pretty awesome sight to see on the big screen in my eyes.

Mongul is okay, but he'll be another "I want to conquer the galaxy" type. I would rather see Darkseid than Mongul in a Superman movie. Maybe Mongul could be teaming up with someone, but not the main show.

I was just using Mongul as example, Darkseid would havew made for a more interesting killer of Superman than Doomsday in the comics. I don't see how an unthinking plot device can sustain a whole movie.

[That-Guy]

I'd like to see Brainiac in the sequel, and have him discover and use the Eradicator device to try and corrupt Superman and use him to take over earth. This would somehow result in the humanoid Eradicator showing up and battling Superman, with Supes seemingly destroying it and then taking down Brainy temporirily, but then getting infected with Kryptonite or something so that Supes eventually dies and the movie ends in a cliffhanger. But then at the beginning of part 3, the Eradicator awakens (because his purpose is to preseve Kryptonian life) and he revives Superman, but Supes is in a coma, so Eradicator subs in temporarily as Superman. Then when the real Supes is back to his old healthy self, they team up and take down Brainiac and Lex (who have both returned to lauch a new scheme, possibly one involving Doomsday). That would be my ideal Superman trilogy.

[GreenKToo]

I like this...I have always wanted lex and brainiac to make doomsday.then have lex, for what ever reason,help superman defeat it.call it pride or what ever,but he helps him.I'd like to see Brainiac in the sequel, and have him discover and use the Eradicator device to try and corrupt Superman and use him to take over earth. This would somehow result in the humanoid Eradicator showing up and battling Superman, with Supes seemingly destroying it and then taking down Brainy temporirily, but then getting infected with Kryptonite or something so that Supes eventually dies and the movie ends in a cliffhanger. But then at the beginning of part 3, the Eradicator awakens (because his purpose is to preseve Kryptonian life) and he revives Superman, but Supes is in a coma, so Eradicator subs in temporarily as Superman. Then when the real Supes is back to his old healthy self, they team up and take down Brainiac and Lex (who have both returned to lauch a new scheme, possibly one involving Doomsday). That would be my ideal Superman trilogy.

[Morgoth]

I hope they have super villians in the sequels. Superman always gets short changed. A big battle with a super villian would be so great. They always do such elaborate things in other movies but when it comes to Comic book movies they never really do, they always use the realism excuse or dumb it down because the filmmakers are embarrassed they're doing a comic film, they need to just make these movies the right way.


I hope in the sequels they have Brainiac, Bizarro, and Doomsaday.

[supercrashmac]

Robin Williams as Mr. Mxyzptlk (digitally shrunk down to under 3 feet tall)

[supercrashmac]

Cinematically, I think Metallo would make the best onscreen villian.
My pick for Metallo - Adam Baldwin (Firefly and Serenity)

[Calendar Man]

The fact that more people want Doomsday and Metallo then Darkseid scares me.

[Superman \S/]

I'm all for Brainiac.

[Bad Superman]

1-Brainiac

2-Cyborg

3-Metallo*

4-Darkseid

5-Doomsday*

*Teamed up with Lex

[Jlandsw]

Definitley Brainiac, and if not him then Metallo!!

[halfapple]

Robin Williams as Mr. Mxyzptlk (digitally shrunk down to under 3 feet tall)


Brainiac and Mxyzptlk would own!

I agree have Robin Williams play Mr. Mxyzptlk -- haha!

Would be an exilerating movie razor sharp movie with Brainiac yet with a quality seasoned veteran Robin Williams to add the humor!

[Mr. Socko]

Brainiac, Matello, and Zod should be made into villians in possible future films.

[gamemiester]

I think this happens in the comics (loosly with my own ideas.)

Lex comes a cross a super computer which comes from Krypton. Then the computer makes a body for himself.

Lex asks Braniac to kill Superman. Braniac betrays him and so on and so fourth.

Im not sure if they should have another villain lex and Braniac may be enough.

For the third I really wanted to see Metallo but hes in the game I doubt that will happen. I suppose Cyborg is a possibility

Besides they never use secondary villains for the main villains in movies. Thats why they havent used "Sandman, Venom, Lizard" int eh spiderman movie games.

For the fourth and fifth they should have Darkseid because hes one of Supermans main villains.

I think they should do something similar for Batman by having Joker in BB2 and BB3.

[spideyrunner]

Metallo

[boydston_14]

Brainiac, Metallo and Darkseid would be awesome to see in a Superman movie!

[Hypestyle]

I hope it's more than one villain in the sequel.. Brainiac could be the main guy, with some tough physical heroes for muscle.. parasite, metallo.. they should take cues from the Timm-era animated versions and update them..

For part 3, I'd like to see Darkseid as the main villain, with Lex and some others..

[Tzigone]

Anybody but Zod. Been there, done that.

If Singer picked Zod, honest to God, I would thinking "There's more rogues out there to chose from!"

I agree.

[ReporterKent]

Toyman.

[gamemiester]

I dont think Bizzaro would be great on screen kinda campy

[SuperDaniel]

I`d love to see Darkseid. He will be similar to Hitler and Apocolyps would remind people of the concentration camps. Thats how it would work. Mxyzptlk would only work in a movie it was like Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow. That was amazing.

[griffolyon12]

I would say Zod,but he has been done many times before.To keep things fresh I'd say Brainiac.

[CrypticOne]

I picked Doomsday. He's my favorite Superman villain. But it'd probably be Brainiac.