View Full Version : Looks like Bruce Wayne is NOW a daddy
ArmsHeldOut
03-25-2006, 11:37 PM
It's One Year Later .. and it looks like Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle have
sired a brand new baby girl.
Say hello to Helena ...
Reference Catwoman # 53 :up:
Motown Marvel
03-26-2006, 12:03 AM
gee, i must have missed this in all the other threads about selina having a baby. has it even been CONFIRMED that burce is the father, or is that all still speculation?
hippie_hunter
03-26-2006, 12:15 AM
It is highly assumed that Batman is the father. It's either him or Slam Bradley. However, even if Catwoman's baby is not Batman's he will still be the father of Talia's child when Grant Morrison starts writing Batman.
Abaddon
03-26-2006, 12:20 AM
Star Revolution.....
Lone Wolf
03-26-2006, 12:21 AM
Nothing has been confirmed on whether or not he's the father, he could have just been offering his condonlence toward the baby because Selina means alot to him. Him giving the bear and saying he'd pay for her college, was just his way of saying he's there IF she needs him.
hippie_hunter
03-26-2006, 12:27 AM
True, but imagine the outcry if the child isn't Batman's. Also the child's name is Helena, the daughter of the Earth-2 variations of Batman and Catwoman.
The Only Woj
03-26-2006, 01:16 AM
looks like Mr. Wayne needs to learn how to use a condom, otherwise he's going to get AIDS at some point.
Miss Webb
03-26-2006, 03:40 AM
Talk about FORCING IC continuity. Too contrived, but I'll wait to see how it plays out.
Why would he offer a college fund, anyway? If he dosen't know if the child is his or not, it makes no sense.
Gatman
03-26-2006, 04:21 AM
Whoa whoa whoa....anyone got scans?
warren_sparta27
03-26-2006, 04:36 AM
i thought it was still only specualtion that bruce was the father of helena, and nothing had been confirmed yet.
hippie_hunter
03-26-2006, 10:14 AM
Talk about FORCING IC continuity. Too contrived, but I'll wait to see how it plays out.
And thats a problem :confused:
Why would he offer a college fund, anyway? If he dosen't know if the child is his or not, it makes no sense.
Because Selina is a special person to him and he wants the child to have a good life unlike they did. Also he pays for the college tutions of many people such as the employees of Wayne Enterprises, Clancy from Nightwing, and others.
hippie_hunter
03-26-2006, 10:15 AM
i thought it was still only specualtion that bruce was the father of helena, and nothing had been confirmed yet.
It is only speculation.
Lazlo Panaflex
03-26-2006, 02:19 PM
It is highly assumed that Batman is the father. It's either him or Slam Bradley.
Then that would make Catwoman a slut. :o
hippie_hunter
03-26-2006, 02:19 PM
Then that would make Catwoman a slut. :o
She was a hooker at one point :(
ArmsHeldOut
03-26-2006, 03:07 PM
It is only speculation.
That is correct. Although, it does seem very likely that Helena is Bruce and Selina's daughter, unless DC is once again attempting to confuse the living hell out of everyone.
From what I read, it would appear that Bruce and Selina both share a common knowledge about the paternity of the child. Of course, this too is mere speculation. I will say that Slam Bradley didn't seem all that concerned; whereas, Bruce suddenly appeared (in full costume) with .. a teddybear in hand.
Here's a direct quote from Selina to Batman: "I'm surprised you didn't stop by earlier. We have a LOT to talk about." And the child's name is Helena ..
ArmsHeldOut
03-26-2006, 03:15 PM
She was a hooker at one point :(
According to Frank Miller, every female character was a hooker, stripper or bartender at some point. His ideas; however, don't exactly flow easily into current continuity for obvious reasons.
Seriously though, she slept with a whopping two guys. The nerve of the harlot! :eek:
Saint
03-26-2006, 05:24 PM
It is highly assumed that Batman is the father. It's either him or Slam Bradley. However, even if Catwoman's baby is not Batman's he will still be the father of Talia's child when Grant Morrison starts writing Batman.
That's really just speculation (The Talia/Morrison stuff).
ChrisBaleBatman
03-26-2006, 07:22 PM
The thing is she doesn't know who the father is......and that's kinda slutty. I mean......did Bruce and Slam (who sounds like a pornstar to begin with) bag her in the same week?
It's too MAURY for me..........
hippie_hunter
03-26-2006, 10:09 PM
She does know who the father is.
hippie_hunter
03-26-2006, 10:11 PM
Seriously though, she slept with a whopping two guys. The nerve of the harlot! :eek:
It can be assumed that Poison Ivy used her when Catwoman was under her control. And think of all the people she slept with when she was a hooker. And I bet she probally did a few things with Holly also at some point.
ArmsHeldOut
03-27-2006, 12:31 AM
It can be assumed that Poison Ivy used her when Catwoman was under her control. And think of all the people she slept with when she was a hooker. And I bet she probally did a few things with Holly also at some point.
The Poison Ivy/Catwoman thing is only based on speculation and wishful thinking on the part of some. And if something did happen, it's obvious that Catwoman was under Ivy's control and is therefore not responsible for any acts performed on her. Who knows what happened in that scenario anyway.
FYI, Catwoman's supposed life as a hooker is no longer a part of mainstream DC universe continuity, if it ever was. It was Frank Miller who initially hinted at the notion, which was later frowned upon (and dismissed) by DC.
If you really want to perceive Catwoman as a hooker/slut, that's up to you, but when was the last time you read a story that referenced Miller's controversial insinuation? I can't wait to see what he does to the character in his new title with Jim Lee! There's a reason that all happenings in "All-Star" have no connection, whatsoever, to the rest of the current crop of Bat-titles available each week.
ArmsHeldOut
03-27-2006, 12:34 AM
The thing is she doesn't know who the father is......and that's kinda slutty. I mean......did Bruce and Slam (who sounds like a pornstar to begin with) bag her in the same week?
It's too MAURY for me..........
Like HH says, Selina DOES KNOW who the father of her child is. It's the readers (US) who don't know for sure. :)
Whoa whoa whoa....anyone got scans?
Indeed!
It can be assumed that Poison Ivy used her when Catwoman was under her control. And think of all the people she slept with when she was a hooker. And I bet she probally did a few things with Holly also at some point.
But wasn't she a dominatrix? Granted I'm only 18, and have little understandin of the protocol of hookery, but is it safe to assume that, maybe, she only beat their asses, and didn't actually have sex with (that many of) them?:)
ChrisBaleBatman
03-27-2006, 10:34 PM
Oh........so, how come we don't know? I mean....the last guy she slept with was Bruce...right?
VaderRISE
03-27-2006, 11:13 PM
Like I said in the DC comics forum. I just find it hilarious that the master of Self Discipline couldn't keep it in his pants. :p
Oh........so, how come we don't know? I mean....the last guy she slept with was Bruce...right?
It's OYL. the baby was "made" in 52. So might not have been Bats.
I still like the idea of Talia having a secret child with Bruce, and him being raised in the middle-east by Ra's then travelling one day to meet his father who knows nothing about this boy. Catwoman should always be the one true love he can never have, nor will ever have. A baby would ruin their chemistry.
BatmanReborn
03-28-2006, 01:36 AM
no it wouldnt, it would make it even more interesting
i hope he is the dad
I still say the Talia Jason kiss in the Batman anual was to set up some weird story of how Jason is Talia's baby's daddy.
joe petree
03-28-2006, 04:55 PM
no who did you think the huntress was duh
she is the daughter of bat man and catwoman it is only natural that she wouldbecome a super hero like her parents(s)
TimDrake64x
03-28-2006, 05:43 PM
bats needs a boy, or is talia's child a boy?
hippie_hunter
03-28-2006, 06:16 PM
Ibn is a boy.
ArmsHeldOut
03-28-2006, 08:33 PM
Oh........so, how come we don't know? I mean....the last guy she slept with was Bruce...right?
We don't know for sure because the story takes place ONE YEAR LATER after the Crisis. If you read the Catwoman issue, it appears that Bruce is more than likely the father, but DC won't come out and tell us yet for their own silly reasons.
no who did you think the huntress was duh
she is the daughter of bat man and catwoman it is only natural that she wouldbecome a super hero like her parents(s)
That logic would be a tad too corny. And it was carried out by the tv series Birds of Prey. Another reason why I didn't like that series when I should've.
ChrisBaleBatman
03-29-2006, 07:05 PM
Like I said in the DC comics forum. I just find it hilarious that the master of Self Discipline couldn't keep it in his pants.
Dude......even the MAN needs to get some lovin'...............
I still say the Talia Jason kiss in the Batman anual was to set up some weird story of how Jason is Talia's baby's daddy.
That would be so slutty............
We don't know for sure because the story takes place ONE YEAR LATER after the Crisis. If you read the Catwoman issue, it appears that Bruce is more than likely the father, but DC won't come out and tell us yet for their own silly reasons.
Yeah......but I'm thinking it is. Otherwise, the kid wouldn't really matter.
Miss Webb
03-29-2006, 07:31 PM
test tube baby. Injection. Selina plays on Bruce and lies.
CConn
03-29-2006, 07:54 PM
Like I said in the DC comics forum. I just find it hilarious that the master of Self Discipline couldn't keep it in his pants. :pDude, why would he want to keep it in his pants? :confused:
VaderRISE
03-29-2006, 11:46 PM
Ok, true, even Batman needs to get some. Maybe that's why he's less of an ass in OYL? Anyway, perhaps I should have said it this way. I just find it hilarious that the master of Self Discipline didn't use "The Bat Condom" or "The Bat Pull-Out Method."
Better? :)
CConn
03-30-2006, 01:08 AM
Dammit, I was just trying to be difficult, but due to the exact and well stated nature of your updated description I am unable to continute to unfairly critique it. :mad:
ChrisBaleBatman
03-30-2006, 04:14 PM
Oh c'mon......Batman prefers bareback. It doesn't feel as good with rubber, EVERYONE knows that......lol.
And the pull out method.......that's a myth. It's something guys tell girls so they don't have to put on rubbers and lose the feeling.
Good day sirs, thy lesson is complete.
Miss Webb
04-02-2006, 02:22 PM
I think Bruce will be getting calls from Clark this year...Big Blue is down on power and needs fighting lessons :o: or whatever lessons so Lois won't leave!
hippie_hunter
04-02-2006, 10:55 PM
I think Bruce will be getting calls from Clark this year...Big Blue is down on power and needs fighting lessons :o: or whatever lessons so Lois won't leave!
Superman will be getting his powers back soon :o
Also he calls on the superheroes that have superpowers such as Supergirl, Green Lantern, and Hawkgirl
VaderRISE
04-02-2006, 11:22 PM
And the pull out method.......that's a myth. It's something guys tell girls so they don't have to put on rubbers and lose the feeling.
Good day sirs, thy lesson is complete.
WRONG!
Been married over a year and no kids yet...
...anyway.
Whack Arnolds
04-04-2006, 10:59 PM
VaderRise is right. It is possible to pull out and not give a honey a kid. It's just that most people don't know how or when to pull out. Plus, sometimes it is really difficult to actually do it, even though you planned on it. Just go about it though and use a rubber if you ain't married. Highly recommended.
Miss Webb
04-05-2006, 10:14 PM
I heard a rumor that Bats and Canary might have a kid. Its gonna be a 'busy' year...
hippie_hunter
04-05-2006, 11:09 PM
I heard a rumor that Bats and Canary might have a kid. Its gonna be a 'busy' year...
Where, there is no way that would ever be true. Batman does not have such feelings for Black Canary, Black Canary is meant to be with Green Arrow, and the fanbase would be outraged as a result.
Lone Wolf
04-06-2006, 07:28 PM
I heard a rumor that Bats and Canary might have a kid. Its gonna be a 'busy' year...
Canary is said to be a member in the new JLA series coming out later in the year, so maybe there will be something between the two. But I doubt anything serious, even though they shared a kiss in Birds of Prey, it could be looked into more. I also doubt that rumor you supposedly heard, you haven't even shown anything to back it up.
I agree with hippie hunter by the way.
Sandman138
04-07-2006, 07:50 AM
FYI, Catwoman's supposed life as a hooker is no longer a part of mainstream DC universe continuity, if it ever was. It was Frank Miller who initially hinted at the notion, which was later frowned upon (and dismissed) by DC.
If you really want to perceive Catwoman as a hooker/slut, that's up to you, but when was the last time you read a story that referenced Miller's controversial insinuation? I can't wait to see what he does to the character in his new title with Jim Lee! There's a reason that all happenings in "All-Star" have no connection, whatsoever, to the rest of the current crop of Bat-titles available each week.
Dark Victory actually made a small reference to it. It kind of insinuated that as an illegitimate child of The Roman, she ended up hooking, only later stealing his fortune as a form of inheritence to get into the Gotham elite. Personally, I always thought this was one of Miller's best contributions to Batman. I don't know why so many fans like the contrived morality of the comics code. That said, the notion that she did anything with Holly sounds like the fantasy of a fan boy who will live most of his life as a virgin. The relationship between Selina and Holly was that of caregiver/dependent, it was maternal and there was no sexual insinuation anywhere in it. Indeed, that was the point, that Selina, while fitting into Bruce's profile of scum for how she chose to make a living (seeing as how she didn't have the luxury of a multi-billion dollar inheritence) was still a better person than he was in many ways as she took on the role of mother for Holly. Granted, she didn't stop Stan from using the both of them untill Batman gave her the confidence to, still she took care of her
ChrisBaleBatman
04-08-2006, 04:39 PM
There's no way she was a better person than Bruce though......I still think she's got a long way to go before she's as good a person as he is.
theMan-Bat
04-08-2006, 04:57 PM
Great post, Sandman! I agree. And who really wants a Catwoman with morals? A "good girl" Catwoman? Not I. Catwoman being a Dominatrix and a jewel thief is not out of character for her at all.
ChrisBaleBatman
04-08-2006, 06:17 PM
Well, obviously she does represent that part of society for women.....sort that unleashed, uncontrollable force. Having her rise from apathy and such harsh times.......it's damn inspiring for women, and great character attributes to play with as a writer.
Miss Webb
04-11-2006, 11:56 PM
Canary is said to be a member in the new JLA series coming out later in the year, so maybe there will be something between the two. But I doubt anything serious, even though they shared a kiss in Birds of Prey, it could be looked into more. I also doubt that rumor you supposedly heard, you haven't even shown anything to back it up.
I agree with hippie hunter by the way.
Just a rumor on various message boards by wishful posters, maybe. I think its supposed to be more a passion 'spur of the moment' thing. Who knows? Everyone is cramming Catwoman down our throats with Bats. Last time I checked, there were other women in the DC universe.
And of course Ollie would go postal.
TwilightPro101
04-13-2006, 07:49 PM
Do we have any confirmation on either accounts as of yet?
Lone Wolf
04-13-2006, 07:55 PM
Do we have any confirmation on either accounts as of yet?
Not yet.
TwilightPro101
04-13-2006, 08:12 PM
Thanks, Batman. I've only recently seen the One Year After and bits of IC, so I'm a bit behind but slowly getting back into the game.
Lone Wolf
04-13-2006, 08:23 PM
Thanks, Batman. I've only recently seen the One Year After and bits of IC, so I'm a bit behind but slowly getting back into the game.
The only reason there's speculation of Bruce being the father is do to the fact that he visited her and the baby with a toy bear at hand, and offering scholarships to any college of her choice. He was just helping her in his own way, nothing from the panel necessarily stated the baby belonged to him aswell. We'll just have to wait and see.
ChrisBaleBatman
04-14-2006, 07:00 PM
Actually, the other reason there is speculation is because he did tap that ass. Apprently, he visited her apartment....as Bruce.....and he seemed to open up a little to her....and then (what seemed as spur of the moment) they made love on her couch.
Lone Wolf
04-14-2006, 07:16 PM
Actually, the other reason there is speculation is because he did tap that ass. Apprently, he visited her apartment....as Bruce.....and he seemed to open up a little to her....and then (what seemed as spur of the moment) they made love on her couch.
I read that issue, so yes that to. And that's where there's a bit of confusion of who the father might be, because despite Bruce sleeping with her Slam did the exact same thing. IMO, I'm leaning more to the baby belonging to him instead of Bruce. But I'd happy with either outcome.
ChrisBaleBatman
04-14-2006, 08:43 PM
This,...."Slam" guy.......he sounds like a pornstar.....hmmmm............how soon or after sleeping with Bruce did she do him?
I dunno......I think making Bruce the father would, obviously, have more impact.....and even further push the whole "Bat and Cat true love" thing....while making the kid "Slam's" kid.....might hurt that whole Bat-cat love thing.
Fledermaus
04-14-2006, 10:21 PM
But wasn't she a dominatrix? Granted I'm only 18, and have little understandin of the protocol of hookery, but is it safe to assume that, maybe, she only beat their asses, and didn't actually have sex with (that many of) them?:)
"Protocols of Hookery" that should be a self-help book.
ChrisBaleBatman
04-14-2006, 11:25 PM
Protocols of Hookery does call for the sale of poon and ass. So......yeah, she sold her poon and ass....as well as other things......to dudes for a price.
I'd buy that book btw, great to know all about Hookery.........maybe open up my own business some day.
Fledermaus
04-15-2006, 12:02 AM
Hookery for Dummies
ChrisBaleBatman
04-15-2006, 03:18 AM
Ya know....that most likely already exists.
Sandman138
04-15-2006, 03:25 AM
Protocols of Hookery does call for the sale of poon and ass. So......yeah, she sold her poon and ass....as well as other things......to dudes for a price.
I'd buy that book btw, great to know all about Hookery.........maybe open up my own business some day.
Not as a dominatrix. She sold her services of beating the **** out of self-loathing men. I find it interesting that even as a hooker, Miller still made her somewhat of a feminist since she reversed the power roles.
ChrisBaleBatman
04-16-2006, 09:18 PM
Yeah.....but that would have had to been on a guy-to-guy basis, I would think.
Timstuff
04-18-2006, 10:55 AM
Bruce and Selina are like the comic world's equivelent of Ross and Rachel. I think it's a fairly safe guess that Bruce is the dad, because it seems right. Didn't Selina retire from being Catwoman (or at least for the time being) because of her baby? If she's not Catwoman anymore, then the only logical reason she'd keep popping up in Bruce's life is if he's her baby's daddy. If she no longer has a dual life for him to relate to, and she's raising the baby of a different man, then that sounds to me like a perfect excuse from DC to phase her out completely.
Which is why I really hope that Bruce is the dad! Selina may be grounded from rooftop prowling for now, but if she has Bruce's baby then that means she will continue to be a very important part of his life, even if it's in a different way then before. I expect it will be a while before she reveals who the dad is, but I think that part of what happens next will be that Bruce isn't sure it's his or not, so he will try to be supportive while giving Selina some space.
It'll be interesting to see what happens, that's for sure. I definately think that Bruce is the dad though, simply because anything else would be spitting on who knows how many years of foreplay between Batman and Catwoman. Also, as many people have obviousely pointed out, their Earth 2 daughter was named Helena as well. If anyone else was the dad, you'd think they'd at least have given the baby a different name.
Fledermaus
04-18-2006, 11:18 AM
Did you just compare character from Batman to characters from Friends?
That's just wrong.
Timstuff
04-18-2006, 12:01 PM
LOL only because it was a valid comparison. BTW I loathe "Friends" with a passion. :p
Spare-Flair
04-20-2006, 12:02 PM
Wasn't the whole hooker thing retconned somewhere? That she was just pretending to be a prostitute for a job and didnt' actually do it.
Timstuff
04-20-2006, 12:06 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they retconned it.
ToddIsDead
04-20-2006, 12:13 PM
I thought that she was a hooker and then she just bilt herself up from that. She's a self-made woman. I may be mistaken though.
Timstuff
04-20-2006, 10:37 PM
I think it would make more sense if she started out as a pick-pocket and worked her way up the thievery ladder to master catburglar, but each to his own I guess.
Soundwave88
04-21-2006, 01:00 PM
It's One Year Later .. and it looks like Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle have
sired a brand new baby girl.
Say hello to Helena ...
Reference Catwoman # 53 :up:
I have known that for awhile lol shes becomes Batgirl at some point then Huntress
Mr. Socko
04-21-2006, 08:54 PM
And Lois Lane's kid in Superman Returns is Clark's.
hippie_hunter
04-22-2006, 09:50 PM
I have known that for awhile lol shes becomes Batgirl at some point then Huntress
Helena Bertinelli was first the Huntress and then became Batgirl at night (still Huntress at day) to capture the fear that Batman had during the No Mans Land when Batman was gone. She failed at an assignment Batman gave her and took away the mantle of Batgirl from her and gave it to Cassandra Cain.
The Helena Kyle that has recently appeared is a homage of the Earth-2 Helena Wayne who was the daughter of Batman and Catwoman who became the Huntress and a member of Infinity Inc, the offspring of the members of the JSA.
ChrisBaleBatman
04-25-2006, 07:04 PM
Well.....maybe this is sort of like the meshing of the universes. Infinite Crisis seems to insinuate that.
Not as a dominatrix. She sold her services of beating the **** out of self-loathing men. I find it interesting that even as a hooker, Miller still made her somewhat of a feminist since she reversed the power roles.
I finally got an answer. I'm currently going the Bruce Wayne route and thoroughly investigating the science of prostitution. Look for a summer 2008 release, right around the next bat flick.
Fledermaus
05-01-2006, 01:23 PM
Good luck with that. Just remember to always look for an adams apple.
Good luck with that. Just remember to always look for an adams apple.
:batman: Roger!
*Runs out on the battlefield - Twin Ben Franklins drawn*
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