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Sunstar
03-23-2006, 11:54 PM
I just keep hoping it'll be a battle of the minds on the astral plane. Xavier is certainly a challenge for Phoenix, and I wouldn't want to see him die within two seconds.
I think the astral plane might confuse the general audience so they might not include it!
I thought the AP in X1 was realistic and nicely done.
Sunstar
03-24-2006, 08:51 AM
He also talked about the Wolverine and Magneto "prequels", the latter of which Ian and himself will probably not be in.
I hope that isn't true because it would be stupid to have the prequel without even a small appearence by Stewart and McKellan!
*xmenfan*
03-24-2006, 08:52 AM
I hope that isn't true because it would be stupid to have the prequel without even a small appearence by Stewart and McKellan!
aww my post is back :D lol! I agree Sunstar!!
LMAO they stole my report :eek:
http://trekweb.com/articles/2006/03/20/441f0bc9c18cf.shtml
I feel all important now ^_^
That's awesome. :D
shaggyhess
03-24-2006, 11:30 AM
Astral plane in X1? when?
Yellow Cyclone
03-24-2006, 11:45 AM
i said this early on in the summer/fall, it'd be kickass to see charles and jean duke it out on the astral plane.....it'd be nice to see patrick stewart walk for a change, and they should deck him out in his old school armor
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9825/xavierbigcostume17sp.jpg
too bad i'm dreaming though
Leon_0
03-24-2006, 02:37 PM
Are you kidding me...A crippled always looses to a standing person, especially if their power is stronger, or just as strong.:xmen:
PhoenixFire
03-24-2006, 02:57 PM
i said this early on in the summer/fall, it'd be kickass to see charles and jean duke it out on the astral plane.....it'd be nice to see patrick stewart walk for a change, and they should deck him out in his old school armor
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9825/xavierbigcostume17sp.jpg
too bad i'm dreaming though
I always hated the astral gladiator gear, myself. I'd be much more pleased with a psychokinetic firebird & implosion on the prime.
Yellow Cyclone
03-24-2006, 02:58 PM
Are you kidding me...A crippled always looses to a standing person, especially if their power is stronger, or just as strong.:xmen:
on the astral plane, the professor isn't crippled.... :confused:
phoenix_force
03-24-2006, 03:25 PM
cyke isn't depowered as jean says in x1" if scott took off his glasses he could put a hole through a mountain"
so pretty powerful
Phoenix342
03-24-2006, 10:07 PM
The only one that will be able to deafeat phoenix is jean, the prof was never able too without jeans help and now even though i havnt read a comic in about a year it seems like jean totally surpassed xavier, ( i think the lil book thing i got jean split up xaviers mind into millions of pieces and put them in other people and put them back together) i mean that shows serious power, Plus jean is an omega and xavier isn't. Jean would beat xavier anyday i believe and dark phoenix would do the same.
FieryBalrog
03-24-2006, 11:34 PM
I really hope they use that line Jean says from the comics...
"You always told me a teacher's greatest pleasure was to be surpassed by his pupil. Enjoy."
The only one that will be able to deafeat phoenix is jean, the prof was never able too without jeans help and now even though i havnt read a comic in about a year it seems like jean totally surpassed xavier, ( i think the lil book thing i got jean split up xaviers mind into millions of pieces and put them in other people and put them back together) i mean that shows serious power, Plus jean is an omega and xavier isn't. Jean would beat xavier anyday i believe and dark phoenix would do the same.
Jean only was able to split and hide fragments of Xavier's mind in people all over the world because she had the phoenix force, and besides if Jean was so powerful and can now defeat Xavier why in the hell didn't she just mop the floor with Cassandra Nova and put an end to her? Why didn't Jean know that Cassandra had switched bodies with Xavier?
The AP in X1: Professor being Senator Kelly in Magneto's lair
The AP in X2: Professor in the (Dark) Cerebro with that creepy girl
Was that the Astral Plane in X2?
FieryBalrog
03-25-2006, 12:25 PM
Jean only was able to split and hide fragments of Xavier's mind in people all over the world because she had the phoenix force, and besides if Jean was so powerful and can now defeat Xavier why in the hell didn't she just mop the floor with Cassandra Nova and put an end to her? Why didn't Jean know that Cassandra had switched bodies with Xavier?
But she always inherits the Phoenix force. She's its avatar, its in her genetics :confused: So whats wrong with using it?
As for the Cassandra Stuff, I dont know. She's not perfect. She's the only one who wasn't thrown around by Cassandra, though. She's also the one that rescued Charles.
Intheknow101
03-25-2006, 12:33 PM
Jean only was able to split and hide fragments of Xavier's mind in people all over the world because she had the phoenix force, and besides if Jean was so powerful and can now defeat Xavier why in the hell didn't she just mop the floor with Cassandra Nova and put an end to her? Why didn't Jean know that Cassandra had switched bodies with Xavier?
Jean's mutation is to become Phoenix. She's always Jean and she's always Phoenix. Besides this stunt took skill and know how, skills that even Charles didn't have since he didn't even think this was possible. Even before splitting it and putting it back together, Jean stored his entire conciousness and mind within her own mind. Not the first time she's done total mind transfers either. She's transfered her entire counciousness into another body before as well way back in 1992. Jean's an OMEGA mutant for a reason.
That's like saying Wolverine never really slashes anything or uses his fighting skills because his metal claws came later.:confused:
Jean didn't know Cassandra switched bodies with Xavier because she being his twin, shares a very similar psionic signature with him. Plus, Jean doesn't go scanning people's minds constantly and needlessly unless she had reason to. She had no reason to in Cassandra's/Xavier's case...until the Beast beating occured. Which necessitated that she read Beast's mind without his permission and found out. Jean's incredibly powerful, not omniscient. She's tempers that power with her human passion and compassion, and along with that human fallacies as well....and that's one of the reasons why she's my favorite character.
And once she did find out she did mop the floor with Cassandra in more ways than one. Not only was she able to change her perception to "see" like Cassandra was and undermine her plans from a strategic stand point, I'd say ripping her essence out of Xavier and leaving Cassandra a bodilyless mess more than constitutes moping the floor with someone.
Tyrano
03-25-2006, 02:35 PM
The AP in X1: Professor being Senator Kelly in Magneto's lair
The AP in X2: Professor in the (Dark) Cerebro with that creepy girl
Was that the Astral Plane in X2?
Lol. No, that was Profferson looking through Senator's mind/memories and then in X2, that was just an illusion.
The Astral Plane is the land of dreams and the world of imagination. It is a timeless place where all things are possible and you create your own reality ( like Profferson growing into a giant).
Jean's mutation is to become Phoenix. She's always Jean and she's always Phoenix. Besides this stunt took skill and know how, skills that even Charles didn't have since he didn't even think this was possible. Even before splitting it and putting it back together, Jean stored his entire conciousness and mind within her own mind. Not the first time she's done total mind transfers either. She's transfered her entire counciousness into another body before as well way back in 1992. Jean's an OMEGA mutant for a reason.
That's like saying Wolverine never really slashes anything or uses his fighting skills because his metal claws came later.:confused:
Jean didn't know Cassandra switched bodies with Xavier because she being his twin, shares a very similar psionic signature with him. Plus, Jean doesn't go scanning people's minds constantly and needlessly unless she had reason to. She had no reason to in Cassandra's/Xavier's case...until the Beast beating occured. Which necessitated that she read Beast's mind without his permission and found out. Jean's incredibly powerful, not omniscient. She's tempers that power with her human passion and compassion, and along with that human fallacies as well....and that's one of the reasons why she's my favorite character.
And once she did find out she did mop the floor with Cassandra in more ways than one. Not only was she able to change her perception to "see" like Cassandra was and undermine her plans from a strategic stand point, I'd say ripping her essence out of Xavier and leaving Cassandra a bodilyless mess more than constitutes moping the floor with someone.
When did Jean do all that to Nova? I don't recall her ripping Nova's essence out of charles? I do recall Cassandra being very sly in the fact that she knew the Xmen would have to save her body because charles was in there. Nova planned all this. Nova also has somehow duped the xmen. She is part of the hellfire club now, so what ever essence the xmen put in the alien body it wasn't Nova's.
But she always inherits the Phoenix force. She's its avatar, its in her genetics :confused: So whats wrong with using it?
As for the Cassandra Stuff, I dont know. She's not perfect. She's the only one who wasn't thrown around by Cassandra, though. She's also the one that rescued Charles.
She couldn't even take Nova down when she broke free of that containment unit. Jean said "I keep going around her mind, it's like a black hole where her conciousness should be" and Nova did actually toss the Xmen around when she broke free.
Intheknow101
03-25-2006, 06:44 PM
When did Jean do all that to Nova? I don't recall her ripping Nova's essence out of charles? I do recall Cassandra being very sly in the fact that she knew the Xmen would have to save her body because charles was in there. Nova planned all this. Nova also has somehow duped the xmen. She is part of the hellfire club now, so what ever essence the xmen put in the alien body it wasn't Nova's.
During the Imperial Arc. Nova's plan was for the X-Men to cure Xavier's sick body just in time for her to come back and reclaim it, so you're right in that respect. But Jean was "seeing" like Cassandra and she knew her plan. That's why she yelled at Beast when Beast tried to inject it with the cure. Instead, she evacuated Charles' mind from the dying body and let that body die so that Cassandra had nothing to go back to. Then once Jean ripped her out of Charles' body she was left a bodiless mess (New X-Men 123-126), which then was tricked by Emma into going into Stuff's body which then became Ernst.
Until we find out more about this new Hellfire Club in Astonishing X-Men, we aren't even sure that it is really Cassandra and not just Emma being dellusional. But even if it were and Emma was a plant the entire time, it's not so much of a stretch that Cassandra WAS put into Stuff's body, but that she slowly came back to her evil ways or somehow Emma helped her regain that knowledge. But that is beyond Jean's control since she's currently not around to deal with it.
She couldn't even take Nova down when she broke free of that containment unit. Jean said "I keep around her mind, it's like a black hole where her conciousness should be" and Nova did actually toss the Xmen around when she broke free.
Cassandra got the drop on EVERYONE in this issue...Charles included. Jean and Charles can both be caught off guard despite how powerful they are, doesn't change their power levels. Just shows that Cassandra is pretty tough and they can be surprised.
What was cool in this issue was that while Jean was barely concious, she was still able to speed up the oxygen molecules around Cassandra and blow Cassie's armor up.
Storm22
03-25-2006, 06:45 PM
^interesting name! Hmmm.
During the Imperial Arc. Nova's plan was for the X-Men to cure Xavier's sick body just in time for her to come back and reclaim it, so you're right in that respect. But Jean was "seeing" like Cassandra and she knew her plan. That's why she yelled at Beast when Beast tried to inject it with the cure. Instead, she evacuated Charles' mind from the dying body and let that body die so that Cassandra had nothing to go back to. Then once Jean ripped her out of Charles' body she was left a bodiless mess (New X-Men 123-126), which then was tricked by Emma into going into Stuff's body which then became Ernst.
Until we find out more about this new Hellfire Club in Astonishing X-Men, we aren't even sure that it is really Cassandra and not just Emma being dellusional. But even if it were and Emma was a plant the entire time, it's not so much of a stretch that Cassandra WAS put into Stuff's body, but that she slowly came back to her evil ways or somehow Emma helped her regain that knowledge. But that is beyond Jean's control since she's currently not around to deal with it.
Cassandra got the drop on EVERYONE in this issue...Charles included. Jean and Charles can both be caught off guard despite how powerful they are, doesn't change their power levels. Just shows that Cassandra is pretty tough and they can be surprised.
What was cool in this issue was that while Jean was barely concious, she was still able to speed up the oxygen molecules around Cassandra and blow Cassie's armor up.
I HAVE NOTHING AGANST JEAN AND i LOVE HER AS MUCH AS THE NEXT GUY, BUT THIS WHOLE GOD LIKE PHOENIX IS JEAN AND JEAN AND IT AND NOW IT'S NOT A SEPARATE ENTITY ANYMORE. Jeez I say BS. A god like creature shouldn't be duped at all, wouldn't you say??
At anyrate how in the hell did Nova make that armor? Marvel never went into a detailed explaination of her powers. I know he's a strong telapath, but how did she make the armor, and Cyke's beam seem to bend through her, and phase through the wall and burn off Logan's flesh on his arm? Just want to know.
Any money Charlie puts on the funky psychic armor and the whole thing turns into a gladiator/troy style fight.
Intheknow101
03-26-2006, 01:13 AM
I HAVE NOTHING AGANST JEAN AND i LOVE HER AS MUCH AS THE NEXT GUY, BUT THIS WHOLE GOD LIKE PHOENIX IS JEAN AND JEAN AND IT AND NOW IT'S NOT A SEPARATE ENTITY ANYMORE. Jeez I say BS. A god like creature shouldn't be duped at all, wouldn't you say??
At anyrate how in the hell did Nova make that armor? Marvel never went into a detailed explaination of her powers. I know he's a strong telapath, but how did she make the armor, and Cyke's beam seem to bend through her, and phase through the wall and burn off Logan's flesh on his arm? Just want to know.
Why are you yelling? No one said you had anything against Jean. :confused::) I was just explaining to you what the comics said. It was never intended to be a "seperate entity". They added that later which was called a retcon, and in recent years, they've unretconned it to them being one and the same. For all her power, Jean is still HUMAN. She has the ability to make mistakes, to be duped, to be surprised...and the whole gambit of human emotions. It was originally what caused her to go Dark Phoenix...a human mind that got corrupted and seduced by her infinite powers. She's not omniscient and doesn't "know all". Even cosmic beings like Galactus and the Watcher aren't omniscient. High power levels doesn't = know everything and anything or not capable of making mistakes.
Cassandra's powers stemmed from her being able to access all the latent mutant powers in her genome if I remember correctly which included telepathy, some sort of phasing power, and able to project energy around her like a shield/armor, amongst other things.
FieryBalrog
03-26-2006, 01:39 AM
yea geez, its annoying when people yell at a retcon which is basically undoing another retcon.. the "separate entity" crap isn't the original story, please...
Besides, her powers fluctuate even with access to the Phoenix force. Thats just how it is, I dont really know the explanation. Its always been like that, ever since the first story arc with Phoenix.
Intheknow101
03-26-2006, 02:01 AM
yea geez, its annoying when people yell at a retcon which is basically undoing another retcon.. the "separate entity" crap isn't the original story, please...
Besides, her powers fluctuate even with access to the Phoenix force. Thats just how it is, I dont really know the explanation. Its always been like that, ever since the first story arc with Phoenix.
I think it was always a combination of factors. Some include the psionic circuit breakers she had in place and later for not wanting to make Scott and the others uncomfortable and nervous. In fact when she once again started expanding her powers and exploring them further, she told Scott that she was sick of holding back and she wanted to be all she could be. Of course Scott was pissing his pants at this point, but he had no reason to worry. Jean was more mature, more experienced, and better suited to handle her power levels this time.
Intheknow101
03-26-2006, 02:02 AM
double post
Why are you yelling? No one said you had anything against Jean. :confused::) I was just explaining to you what the comics said. It was never intended to be a "seperate entity". They added that later which was called a retcon, and in recent years, they've unretconned it to them being one and the same. For all her power, Jean is still HUMAN. She has the ability to make mistakes, to be duped, to be surprised...and the whole gambit of human emotions. It was originally what caused her to go Dark Phoenix...a human mind that got corrupted and seduced by her infinite powers. She's not omniscient and doesn't "know all". Even cosmic beings like Galactus and the Watcher aren't omniscient. High power levels doesn't = know everything and anything or not capable of making mistakes.
Wait a minuate. So The Phoenix isn't a separate entity? WTF? So all that stuff i read in Excalibur was crap when Rachel Summers was the host for the Phoenix? So when the FF found Jean's body in Jamica Bay or whatever that was crap to? It was said that the Phoenix put Jean's body in that cocoon to heal while it assumed her form, so all that was crap to? Now in that Phoenix End song Jean was supposed to be separated from the Phoenix and that she wouldn't be able to return. What in the name of all that's holy. What in the hell is going on. For God's sake Galactus himself tangled with the Phoenix and seemed to know about it as if he had met with it before and this had to be before Jean grey was ever born. What about Feron. What the devil? The phoenix even spoke to Prof X and Jean and showed them the begining of it's existence at the begining of the Big band. All this stuff should just be erased and never hapened??? I don't get it.
FieryBalrog
03-26-2006, 02:17 AM
Wait a minuate. So The Phoenix isn't a separate entity? WTF? So all that stuff i read in Excalibur was crap when Rachel Summers was the host for the Phoenix? So when the FF found Jean's body in Jamica Bay or whatever that was crap to? It was said that the Phoenix put Jean's body in that cocoon to heal while it assumed her form, so all that was crap to? Now in that Phoenix End song Jean was supposed to be separated from the Phoenix and that she wouldn't be able to return. What in the name of all that's holy. What in the hell is going on. For God's sake Galactus himself tangled with the Phoenix and seemed to know about it as if he had met with it before and this had to be before Jean grey was ever born. What about Feron. What the devil? The phoenix even spoke to Prof X and Jean and showed them the begining of it's existence at the begining of the Big band. All this stuff should just be erased and never hapened??? I don't get it.
just a question, did you ever read the original Phoenix saga itself, and Endsong?
All the stuff youre talking about "ignoring" is itself a retcon that ignores the original story.
Where in Endsong does it say Jean and the Phoenix are separated, in fact the exact opposite happened, they were revealed to be the same, they united and they went to the White Hot Room. The Excalibur stuff is currently being explained by the "fragments of Jean/Phoenix" idea.
Intheknow101
03-26-2006, 02:21 AM
just a question, did you ever read the original Phoenix saga itself, and Endsong?
All the stuff youre talking about "ignoring" is itself a retcon that ignores the original story.
Where in Endsong does it say Jean and the Phoenix are separated, in fact the exact opposite happened, they were revealed to be the same, they united and they went to the White Hot Room. The Excalibur stuff is currently being explained by the "fragments of Jean/Phoenix" idea.
Thanks Balrog, and I'll just elaborate by posting what explodingboy and I already posted in another thread...don't feel like retyping everything:
A new body was created, yes, but she was not replaced. As stated by the Watcher, the classic backstory and the current retcon Jean became one with Phoenix.
Since you can't seem to wrap your head around the fact the two are the same. Here is a quote from the "force" herself:
"Take my hands child -- That we two may become one."
What's interestingly enough, Morrison's take on one of the transistions of the Phoenix was mighty close to what she resembled on the shuttle. It furthers that they were just split pieces of one whole.
Here is my take on what happened in the shuttle. We see the "force" speaking throughout the panels leading up to Jean's deterioration in a unique word bubble. Right before the "force" manifests itself those unique word bubbles are now being spoken in the first person by Jean. With no transition it goes from the "force" speaking to Jean speaking. Why would Jean be speaking with the Phoenix word bubble before it even manifested itself. My thoughts there are that the previous word bubbles had been a part of Jean's consciousness unawarely speaking up to the point of physically manifesting. Jean then began speaking as the Phoenix right before her powers manifested themselves in a tangible form. Once in that tangible form they regained the unique word bubble and Jean went back to the standard word bubble. As her powers were forming a new body for her they state, "My consciousness -- My form, and its ability to communicate on this plane of existence -- derive from you." The force that was appearing before her is mighty close in resemblance to the way she appeared in HCT. I look at it not so much as a separate being that combined with her, but that the force was Jean's power personified. At least, that is how I took it when I first read that backstory (minus the HCT part.)
Yep, exactly what I was thinking. And from Morrison's run we see Jean in the same gold woman form saying "you were always here waiting for yourself to arrive" Given the nature of the white hot room outside of time and space, what if it was a future/evolved form of herself "waiting for herself to arrive" on that fateful day on the space shuttle? It's so metaphysical and cool.
And also, Morrison further elaborated on the "cocoon" incident by showing that they are like failsafes, exactly like Jean mentioned here in those panels above, "A second chance..".
1) As shown when she died on the space shuttle she brought herself back as Phoenix and maintained her old body as a failsafe in the bottom of Jamaica Bay.
2 ) When she died on the moon, her conciousness and soul went back to that same body in the bay. But there were still pieces that had been scattered across time and space and didn't come home or had been rejected...ending up in Maddie Pryor and Rachel for example. There was another failsafe made on the moon as we find out in New X-Men.
3) Finally tying it all together was her death in Planet X. Her conciousness ends up on the failsafe on the moon, and without the Fantastic Four or anyone else to find her she is awakened 150 years in the future more fully powered than the FF incident and in the gold woman form.
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FieryBalrog
03-26-2006, 02:23 AM
I haven't had this discussion in a while. :D I'm just hoping I get to bust out my Classic X-men #8 scans.
LMason
03-26-2006, 11:57 AM
The Professor, and by extension, Patrick Stewart, gets his own thread. Hopefully that means we don't have fifty threads dedicated to one Stewart interview.
xwolverine2
03-26-2006, 11:59 AM
in that case.....
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UGf9Hc-KpAA
Sunstar
03-26-2006, 12:27 PM
Wow Professor only got a thread now?:confused:
Some other minor characters have had threads and more posts than him *cough*multiple man*cough*!
phoenix_force
03-26-2006, 12:38 PM
it's cuz they don't think he's sexy he's too old lol
LMason
03-26-2006, 12:45 PM
Wow Professor only got a thread now?:confused:
Some other minor characters have had threads and more posts than him *cough*multiple man*cough*!
Well if you combine every Professor thread, and "Patrick Stewart SAID THIS!" thread, you'd have pages upon pages. Now we're under one roof.
I didn't know we didn't have a Xavier thread. :eek: Good job, LM. :up:
gap5ewl
03-26-2006, 03:26 PM
can we get some pics perhaps??
Electrix
03-26-2006, 03:30 PM
http://www.thexverse.com/assets/gallery/xtls/trailers/trailer/cap032.jpg
http://www.thexverse.com/assets/gallery/xtls/trailers/trailer/cap029.jpg
http://www.thexverse.com/assets/gallery/xtls/trailers/trailer/cap054.jpg
http://www.thexverse.com/assets/gallery/xtls/trailers/trailer/cap148.jpg
Electrix
03-26-2006, 03:33 PM
http://superherohype.com/gallery/X-Men/X-Men_The_Last_Stand/Movie_Stills/xmen6.jpg
http://superherohype.com/gallery/X-Men/X-Men_The_Last_Stand/Movie_Stills/x31.jpg
http://superherohype.com/gallery/X-Men/X-Men_The_Last_Stand/Movie_Stills/x3professorx.jpg
Angamb
03-26-2006, 03:34 PM
I wonder if Xavier will use his powers in a bigger way this time, I think it's just his time, He can resolve many situations, so it's not logical not using his powers
Ah, I feel sorry for the guy now.
Electrix
03-26-2006, 03:43 PM
Xavier could make everyone accept mutants just like that if he tried. However, he doesnt believe that is a good and fair way of dealing with things. He blocked Jeans powers because she would hinder the accepting of mutants process. Jean is uncontrollable so her controlled her. That will probably backfire but that was a risk he took.
I dont think Xavier 'dies' when Jean contronts him in her house, or I dont want him too anyway. I'd like it if Jean killed his body but his mind lived on. He has the most powerful mind in the world and a weak body. I'd like him to come back in the final battle or something. You hear his voice like God or something! Ha!
Almighty Pejo
03-26-2006, 04:11 PM
So the bald bastard got a thread of his own, eh? I wonder if he'll make us forget it was created.
Specter313
03-26-2006, 04:12 PM
Come on, you knew it was coming:
http://patrickstewartloveslittlegirls.ytmnd.com/
Electrix
03-26-2006, 04:15 PM
Haha! That reminds me. Family Guy starts in 15 minutes. 2 episodes! (BBC2 UK people)
Specter313
03-26-2006, 04:16 PM
Spin this one at your next party:
http://picard.ytmnd.com/
Come on, you knew it was coming:
http://patrickstewartloveslittlegirls.ytmnd.com/
AGAIN!?! I know what he is going to do and I still watch it everytime. EVERYTIME! I can only blame myself... :(
Specter313
03-26-2006, 04:26 PM
AGAIN!?! I know what he is going to do and I still watch it everytime. EVERYTIME! I can only blame myself... :(
You just love picturing the real Patrick in a shorty robe. :D
Haha, that's Patrick Stewart? :p
Specter313
03-26-2006, 04:29 PM
:eek:
My secret is out!
Oh, honey. It's been out for awhile. :p
Lightning Strykez!
03-26-2006, 06:28 PM
I was wondering which of you would realize that the Professor didn't have a thread of his own. :cool:
DarknessOfDeath
03-26-2006, 06:42 PM
Whats the secret?? :p hehehe.
Iceman
03-26-2006, 06:45 PM
Blasphemy!
The mentor of the X-Men and the guy behind the vision ignored until two months before the film comes out.
I'm ashamed :( :o
WorthyStevens
03-26-2006, 06:47 PM
Blasphemy!
The mentor of the X-Men and the guy behind the vision ignored until two months before the film comes out.
I'm ashamed :( :o
Nobody cares about Baldy.
:p
But I honestly thought that he already had a thread. I could *swore* that he had a thread... :O
Iceman
03-26-2006, 07:28 PM
Nobody cares about Baldy.
:p
Wash your mouth out or I'll start an 'In Memory of our beloved Cyke' thread
:p
chaseter
03-26-2006, 07:29 PM
Wow, this thread is pathetically small. So lets help out our ole Prox X.
Iceman
03-26-2006, 07:32 PM
Survival Chances?
Discuss............
Exploding Boy
03-26-2006, 07:32 PM
This is my contribution to Prof X's thread
:yellow:
LMason
03-26-2006, 07:44 PM
I was wondering which of you would realize that the Professor didn't have a thread of his own. :cool:
That would be me, after searching on "Stewart" "Professor" "Xavier" "Charles" and getting nothing but interview threads and "professor something or others" in the title. So if there was a thread, it sure as hell has disappeared.
just a question, did you ever read the original Phoenix saga itself, and Endsong?
All the stuff youre talking about "ignoring" is itself a retcon that ignores the original story.
Where in Endsong does it say Jean and the Phoenix are separated, in fact the exact opposite happened, they were revealed to be the same, they united and they went to the White Hot Room. The Excalibur stuff is currently being explained by the "fragments of Jean/Phoenix" idea.
Well it all a load of crap if you ask me. I read Excalibur and learned all the Phoenix stuff from that series. I never even knew Jean grey was the Phoenix or had the force or whatever. Hey I didn't know cause that's when i started reading comics when that Excalibur stuff was an ongoing series. My first exposure to the Phoenix was when Rachel had it or now as some are saying was pieces of jean. Lord this is just to much to bare and to much backstory, which is why it should NEVER BE ATTEMPTED TO BE ADAPTED INTO A MOVIE, and I'm glad and have a felling that the movie is going the right way with the Phoenix. Yeah I later found out that Jean had the force or was, no is the Phoenix itself now as some say here thru excalibur. I saw that little saga on the 90's cartoon, but I did go back and get the Phoenix Saga and read it. I also read the end song, and I must point out a mistake on my part. No it was not said in the the Endsong series that Jean was disconnected from the Phoenix, but Rachel said it in the Xmen book a couple of months back. Yes she did indeed say that her mother's soul was no longer connected to the Phoenix and that she won't or can't come back. Who knows. Also So many on here say different things. Some say Jean is the Phoenix itself, and all the parts were just pieces of her even at the times when she seemed to be speaking to the Phoenix she was really talking to herself and blah, blah, blah. That was also her communicating with the Wizard Feron thousands of years before Jean Grey was supposed to be born. I guess since the White Hot room is now an option and it doesn't exist in normal space or time or is in time all aonce that can be used as a possiable explaination. Then some say she it's avatar or the force's ability to exist on this plane of existence.
So if Jean is the Phonix, who was all the different Phoenix's that showed uped in future story arc at the end. Jeez it was looked like the damn green latern corps, and if Jean is the phoenix why would the Shiar show up and slaughter her whole family? Yeah I know they said cause they didn't want to take the chance that someone in her family could weild the force like say rachel, but if Jean's the pHoenix and she's dead and some are saying she's it then what's the point. Whatever, people are just going to put their own take on it, cause it'll never be one set explanation, mainly do to the fact that Marvel screwed uped with all these different writers and their take on the Phoenix. I'm sorry but you can't go back and tell a person who's read different takes to just forget what they read cause we made a mistake or now we don't like those stories and they don't fit into what we want to do now. Yeah this happens in the comics, but at least in some cases a new writer gives a decent or at least believable explaination like say the Whole Hal Jordan/Parallax thing, even though it's a cope out it still served it's purpose to return Hal Jordan as GL and much better then what Marvel and others wants to do with the whole Phoenix backstory.
Intheknow101
03-26-2006, 09:09 PM
Retcons are just apart of comic books. Even current story lines like Deadly Genesis are based soley on one huge retcon. Sage, a whole character, is based on a series of retcons so that she even joined the X-Men before Storm or Wolverine and knew Xavier before she was even before her first actual appearance. Heck the whole Excalibur stuff was a huge retcon flying in the face of the phoenix stuff that came before it. Just the nature of the beast.
I thought the Excalibur stuff was a "load of crap". Many people felt disgusted when they tried to retcon Jean being Phoenix. This latest retcon which includes the nature of the white hot room, Jean's phoenix cycle, and the Jean's pieces being shattered does it's best to restore the original story and intents while still providing an explaination for the Excalibur stuff.
Jean is Phoenix, but there are still many pieces of her out there that can be accessed, and given the nature of the white hot room (which transcends time and space), it explains it showing up with Feron, with Rachel and Maddie (both of whom share the same genetics as Jean) and others etc. while still maintaining that Jean is Phoenix.
Works for me.
FieryBalrog
03-26-2006, 09:30 PM
No it was not said in the the Endsong series that Jean was disconnected from the Phoenix, but Rachel said it in the Xmen book a couple of months back. Yes she did indeed say that her mother's soul was no longer connected to the Phoenix and that she won't or can't come back. Who knows.
yea, Rachel did say that in Uncanny 460 I think. Fortunately for me, Jean as the White Phoenix made an appearance in End of Greys, so I guess Rachel was wrong.
The real reason Rachel said that at all is because the end of Endsong was re-written by the editors at the last minute. Most likely "disconnect" was the original ending and CC referenced it, and no one bothered to notify him otherwise (business as usual by the Marvel Editorial staff). CC is probably the last person on earth who wants to see Jean separated from Phoenix, he's been trying for years- ever since he wrote the Classic X-men backstories, then when he came during the Revolutions years back to Uncanny- to restore Jean to her rightful status. Every chance he gets he makes the connection, from her guest appearance in X-treme to his "The End" series. The seeds have been sown since Seagle and Kelly's run actually. Finally Morrison with a lot more editorial clout got it done.
By the way, I'm just as disgusted by a lot of the messing around they have done with the Phoenix concept, just in the opposite fashion. I want the utterly insipid Feron and Anti-Phoenix stuff far far away from Phoenix. It was a meaningless story that did nothing to advance the concept and relate it to the X-men, just a random dude who woke up a random cosmic alien entity thousands of years before, as opposed to the original concept of Phoenix being Jean's evolution into a psi. Thats why there is no entity and no BS in the original Phoenix arc, and they continually reference Phoenix as Jean's evolution. The reason the Phoenix arc worked at all in the first place wasn't because a random entity decided to chill with the X-men and go crazy, it was because one of the X-men themselves had unleashed the true potential of mankind through mutation, and was unable to handle the consequences. It was a tragic story because it involved one of the X-men, not because it involved Alien Entity 6. That's why it became famous. ANd thats why theyre going with the original story for the movie. Its 100 times more coherent and powerful.
It makes sense for Rachel to have inherited the Phoenix powers, because thats how CC intended it all along. It was Jean's genetic line that would achieve the ultimate potential as a mutant and a psi. That's why I've never had a problem with Rachel being referenced as the Phoenix in that sense. But it pisses me off when they first did the retcon, which left the original woman who was Phoenix in limbo and replaced it with some alien.
Thankfully the years have been kind and in a rather rare move Marvel has gradually realized that their own foolish editorial moves gutted a great story and killed a lot of potential. And so they've reversed it.
DarknessOfDeath
03-26-2006, 09:34 PM
Wow... that was a good read, balrog. :) Interesting.
Intheknow101
03-26-2006, 09:38 PM
yea, Rachel did say that in Uncanny 460 I think. Fortunately for me, Jean as the White Phoenix made an appearance in End of Greys, so I guess Rachel was wrong.
The real reason Rachel said that at all is because the end of Endsong was re-written by the editors at the last minute. Most likely "disconnect" was the original ending and CC referenced it, and no one bothered to notify him otherwise (business as usual by the Marvel Editorial staff). CC is probably the last person on earth who wants to see Jean separated from Phoenix, he's been trying for years- ever since he wrote the Classic X-men backstories, then when he came during the Revolutions years back to Uncanny- to restore Jean to her rightful status. Every chance he gets he makes the connection, from her guest appearance in X-treme to his "The End" series. The seeds have been sown since Seagle and Kelly's run actually. Finally Morrison with a lot more editorial clout got it done.
By the way, I'm just as disgusted by a lot of the messing around they have done with the Phoenix concept, just in the opposite fashion. I want the utterly insipid Feron and Anti-Phoenix stuff far far away from Phoenix. It was a meaningless story that did nothing to advance the concept and relate it to the X-men, just a random dude who woke up a random cosmic alien entity thousands of years before, as opposed to the original concept of Phoenix being Jean's evolution into a psi. Thats why there is no entity and no BS in the original Phoenix arc, and they continually reference Phoenix as Jean's evolution. The reason the Phoenix arc worked at all in the first place wasn't because a random entity decided to chill with the X-men and go crazy, it was because one of the X-men themselves had unleashed the true potential of mankind through mutation, and was unable to handle the consequences. It was a tragic story. That's why it became famous.
Word. :up:
Claremont himself said on X-Fan that it was only what Rachel thought happened. Considering she wasn't even apart of Endsong except for a small cameo, I doubt she knows what she is talking about. And Claremont even shows Jean in full White Phoenix form in a recent arc, which gives more credence that Rachel was talking out of her wazoo. Then again, reading Endsong alone (the ACTUAL events being described) shows pretty clearly that Jean went off to find her pieces.
I too hate that Feron stuff Fiery B. It went against everything that had been known before. At least now it can be just explained as unaware pieces of Jean scattered across time and space which explains any weird or rogue occurances. :)
WorthyStevens
03-26-2006, 10:26 PM
Wash your mouth out or I'll start an 'In Memory of our beloved Cyke' thread
:p
:eek:
Now that's just a low blow... :(
:p
Word. :up:
I too hate that Feron stuff Fiery B. It went against everything that had been known before. At least now it can be just explained as unaware pieces of Jean scattered across time and space which explains any weird or rogue occurances. :)
Well I don't hate the stories that was from excalibur and propbably good amount of people as well. Not everyone was old enough or was reading comics back when the Phoenix Saga came out. I learned of Phoenix as i've said before when rachel had it or she had a piece of her mother or whatever. As I've said before This whole Phoenix stuff is just to d@mn convoluted. First jean is Phoenix and then she's the host for the force, then she's the the ability for the Entity to manifest in her reality from her genetics. What a load of crap if you ask me. I can honestly accept the Phoenix being a separate entity and jean as it's host, but now to say she's been Phoenix all along and her many pieces were scattered throughout all space time is just silly, just like at the end of the Xmen story when at the end you see a lot of different Phoenixs, so I guess all them people were just pieces of Jean. I can accept a human getting god like power from being a host to a cosmic god or getting a hold of a device like the Infinity gauntlet or a cosmic cube, but to use the cope out that through genetics they got all this power is just plain silly. It's the same with frankiln Richards.
At some point things has to have some believablity grounded in real world reality inspite of the genre. At least DC rather bad or good keeps all this silly human turns into cosmic god because of a gene as the sole explanination out of there books. I liked it better when the Phoenix would inhabit a human host, and not this new crap about the Phoenix coming out of no where and connected to all life or gets it's power from all living things, which probably have been ousted and now Jean just has unlimited power and is a god because of a simple litte gene. Way to go Marvel. I don't mind Jean being Phoenix and having the power, but when it goes to far, just leave her out and let her stay dead for haevens sake, How in the world did the Magneto imposter kill her anyway? A creature that can eat stars can't handle the far lessor amount of energy that the Mags imposter pumped into her?Knowing what the Phoenix is supoposed to be it would be like him being able to kill Galactus or the Living Tribunal.
PhoenixFire
03-27-2006, 08:24 AM
Phoenix follows a metaphysical concept I think most neopagans would be familair with.
When Jean Grey in a carnal, physical reality, the Phoenix is extremely powerful, but not a deity. She can be tricked, confused, and defeated.
It is when she ascends to the White Hot Room that she is omniscient and omnipotent - yet at the same time disconnected from reality in a way that only taking on the avatar of Jean Grey can accomplish.
So the mags imposter managed to defeat her through a loophole in physics in part because when she's wearing skin the Phoenix naturally has some vulnerabilities. It's her level of power when she dies or enters the White Hot Room, and her ability to eternally resurrect herself (or others, if she so chose) that makes her godly.
Phoenix follows a metaphysical concept I think most neopagans would be familair with.
When Jean Grey in a carnal, physical reality, the Phoenix is extremely powerful, but not a deity. She can be tricked, confused, and defeated.
It is when she ascends to the White Hot Room that she is omniscient and omnipotent - yet at the same time disconnected from reality in a way that only taking on the avatar of Jean Grey can accomplish.
So the mags imposter managed to defeat her through a loophole in physics in part because when she's wearing skin the Phoenix naturally has some vulnerabilities. It's her level of power when she dies or enters the White Hot Room, and her ability to eternally resurrect herself (or others, if she so chose) that makes her godly.
Fine.
EmmaInDoubt
04-08-2006, 01:41 PM
my apologies for my stupidity but who are richard and judy
The hosts on a talk show.
Aiden
04-08-2006, 01:48 PM
A couple who host a british talk show
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38776000/jpg/_38776589_judy.jpg
Latin_Princess1
04-08-2006, 01:51 PM
What time will that be in New Jersey
Halcohol
04-08-2006, 01:53 PM
Hey does anyone have the comedy sketch of Patrick Stewart and Ricky Gervais?
Speedball
04-08-2006, 01:54 PM
I have no clue who Richard and Judy are? Are they like Regis and Kelly, except british?
sorry for being an american.(not really)
Halcohol
04-08-2006, 01:55 PM
Pretty much, yes.
Halcohol
04-08-2006, 01:56 PM
Thanks, Lex ;)
Aiden
04-08-2006, 01:57 PM
Who are Regis and Kelly
Halcohol
04-08-2006, 01:57 PM
The American version of Richard & Judy.
*xmenfan*
04-08-2006, 01:58 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38776000/jpg/_38776589_judy.jpg
*shivers* I hate richard and judy!!! lol :)
Aiden
04-08-2006, 01:59 PM
The American version of Richard & Judy.Are they married?
Halcohol
04-08-2006, 02:01 PM
lol no Regis is about a million years old and Kelly's maybe 35 or so. It used to be the Regis Philbin and Kathy Lee Gifford show, but Kathy Lee took off to go be evil or whatever.
Regis was the host of "Who Wants to be a Millionaire?" for its first few seasons.
Aiden
04-08-2006, 02:01 PM
Ok.
http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVShows/images/20030926/liveregis-castbio/REGISKELLY_2002_3.jpg
It's so air-brushed.
Aiden
04-08-2006, 02:04 PM
I recognize that guy
Halcohol
04-08-2006, 02:05 PM
The air-brushing is holding Regis' face together
*xmenfan*
04-08-2006, 02:06 PM
I recognize that guy
same i think i saw him in one of the miss congenialty films lol
Halcohol
04-08-2006, 02:07 PM
Sure you're not thinking of William Shatner?
*xmenfan*
04-08-2006, 02:08 PM
Sure you're not thinking of William Shatner?
nope he was hosting a show and asked her about her book that was in the 2nd miss congenality and i also saw him on hope and faith lol
Halcohol
04-08-2006, 02:10 PM
Yeah, Kelly Ripa is on Hope & Faith, so it makes sense that Regis would make a guest appearance.
Why the hell are we talking about Regis and Kelly? They're minions of the antichrist, you know.
Aiden
04-08-2006, 02:12 PM
That Regis guy played a car salesman in Hope & Faith didn't he
*xmenfan*
04-08-2006, 02:13 PM
That Regis guy played a car salesman in Hope & Faith didn't he
yep :):up:
Speedball
04-08-2006, 02:16 PM
NO!!! Dr. Phil is the Antichrist!!! He tries to control peoples lives and tell everyone what to do. i'm waiting for the day when he, Paris Hilton, Tom Cruise, Colin Farrell, and Carrot Top form the Ultra Zord: MegaDeathMonsterAntiChristGoGoGiantRobot.
Aiden
04-08-2006, 02:16 PM
That's where I recognize him from
Hope & Faith used to air over here. I loved that show.
Halcohol
04-08-2006, 02:32 PM
Hope & Faith used to air over here. I loved that show.
Hope & Faith represents all that is soulless and wrong.
Paste Pot Pete
04-08-2006, 02:34 PM
Who are Regis and Kelly
I thought the whole world knew Regis. Can I move to Scotland? :D
Aiden
04-08-2006, 02:34 PM
Hope and Faith sucked
Come to Scotland Pete,its great
Hope & Faith represents all that is soulless and wrong.
Which makes it hilarious. But yeah, it does suck sometimes.
Halcohol
04-08-2006, 02:39 PM
Which makes it hilarious. But yeah, it does suck sometimes.
It's on the WB... what more proof do you need? Only good show WB has is Smallville.
Smallville is a great show.
I think you're taking Hope & Faith way too seriously. I just watch it for a laugh.
Aiden
04-08-2006, 02:45 PM
I've never watched Smallville
Halcohol
04-08-2006, 02:45 PM
Smallville is a great show.
I think you're taking Hope & Faith way too seriously. I just watch it for a laugh.
I just hate Kelly Ripa, that's all :D
She does eat babies, you know.
Yes, she can be quite annoying sometimes, but sometimes she's the best part of the show. And also, Faith Ford, too. Both of them go well together.
LMason
04-08-2006, 03:02 PM
Hey does anyone have the comedy sketch of Patrick Stewart and Ricky Gervais?
It's in the official Xavier thread:
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8239350&postcount=2
Halcohol
04-08-2006, 03:10 PM
Thanks
neemer5
04-08-2006, 04:37 PM
The fact that he's in-the-know about a possible X4 suggests to me that Xavier probably survives. Just a guess
SingItWithMeNow
04-08-2006, 06:38 PM
http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVShows/images/20030926/liveregis-castbio/REGISKELLY_2002_3.jpg
It's so air-brushed.
Look what Australia gets stuck with...
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5774/wherearetheynow4gr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
EmmaFrostRules
04-08-2006, 09:58 PM
don't diss...richard and judy rule lol. i used to live in england, but i moved to hong kong so i no longer have english tv....im stuck with american (sigh)
*xmenfan*
04-09-2006, 03:25 AM
Hope & Faith used to air over here. I loved that show.
I watch hope and faith on abc1 on freeview and i love it!! it's hallirous :D
Look what Australia gets stuck with...
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5774/wherearetheynow4gr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Lol. Mel and Kochie. :D I saw it just now. They were interviewing the blonde woman from M*A*S*H and the divas. :p
It's on the WB... what more proof do you need? Only good show WB has is Smallville.
Isn't Hope and Faith an ABC show?
And why are we even talking about these people. :(
PWN3R
04-12-2006, 08:54 PM
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/3506/premiere4b0lz.jpg
Read what it says about Xavier....:mad:
EmmaFrostRules
04-12-2006, 10:00 PM
we already knew he wouldnt get much action...cept the scene with phoenix.
WorthyStevens
04-12-2006, 10:06 PM
He won't just be sidelined... he'll be completely dead. :p
chaseter
04-12-2006, 10:54 PM
He is out watching some Victorian era plays or watching his special cameras strategically placed in the mansion.
WorthyStevens
04-12-2006, 11:11 PM
He is out watching some Victorian era plays or watching his special cameras strategically placed in the mansion.
Or watching some of the X-women. :eek:
Neto Magnus
04-13-2006, 12:20 AM
He is out watching some Victorian era plays or watching his special cameras strategically placed in the mansion.
lol why would he need cameras when he has his mind. I guess that's why he's in a wheelchair cuz he don't want ppl to see his tent when he stands.
PWN3R
04-13-2006, 01:23 AM
we already knew he wouldnt get much action...cept the scene with phoenix.
Yes I know...:o
But sidelined how? He is so dead...:(
Sidelined? What the heck does that mean? Yeah, he's dead. :o
pt_photo_inc
04-14-2006, 05:41 AM
OMG... is it being suggested that Xavier uses the school for UNDERAGE KIDDY or "KITTY" MUTANT PORN???
EmmaFrostRules
04-14-2006, 05:55 AM
nice observation lol. i hope he dies any way. the prof is too goody goody for my liking. i want maggs to take over as leader of the xmen lol
pt_photo_inc
04-14-2006, 06:14 AM
read mark millars take on him in ULTIMATE XMEN... you never know what is really going on. It def. is a darker side of the old man.
Maybe I should start reading the X-Men comics. :o What's the latest one, anyone know?
WorthyStevens
04-14-2006, 03:20 PM
Maybe I should start reading the X-Men comics. :o What's the latest one, anyone know?
Possibly the new X-Factor series... I think. :O
LMason
04-17-2006, 08:44 PM
The Bloopers from Extras is up. Warning to those of you who don't know the creepiness that is Ricky Gervais's high-pitched laugh. Patrick Stewart appears after the halfway mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XI7vx8zDIQ
Storm22
04-17-2006, 08:46 PM
his laugh is brilliant, you just have to laugh when you hear him laugh!
Obsidian
04-17-2006, 08:48 PM
i don't know if the question's been asked before, but will we see how Xavier got paralyzed in X-Men 3....possibly in the flashbacks?
Exploding Boy
04-17-2006, 09:14 PM
I really doubt that they would include Shadow King in this movie.
WorthyStevens
04-18-2006, 01:02 PM
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2826/102529zp.jpg
invincible mann
04-18-2006, 02:53 PM
as far as X comics go
i like exiles myself
PWN3R
04-18-2006, 02:59 PM
read mark millars take on him in ULTIMATE XMEN... you never know what is really going on. It def. is a darker side of the old man.
I loved that Xavier. He always hinted that Xavier was controlling everyone, to do what he wanted. His X-men his way, Xavier was crazy, and I loved it....:up:
Deep Thinkin'!
04-18-2006, 03:34 PM
you know, people have been saying the Prof X dies in this film. But I just read his profile on the official website, that he can LEAVE HIS BODY and such. Maybe he doesn't die, maybe he leaves his body and goes into another human?
Just a thought.... i may have read his profile wrong. Someone look up the Professor's profile and read his Powers section. Read the last one.
SingItWithMeNow
04-18-2006, 09:00 PM
wow in the credits on the Polish poster, Prof. X is given the old "and PATRICK STEWART" treatment (similar to morgan freeman in batman begins).
Funny, seeing as he was top billing in X1 & X2. Is this because of his little screentime in X3 or is it some kind of a respectful choice by Ratner.
Also, Ratner doesnt mind putting Jackman & Berry above the title...
AcidTWister
04-23-2006, 02:35 AM
Hm, a thought just occurred to me after reading a comment from a supposed Simon K. user on these boards. He mentioned that, seemingly unrelated to the topic at hand he was quoting, people who say things in trailers aren't necessarily who we think they are. I think it was in relation to someone saying that Wolverine's lines to Jean in the TV spots sounded a lot like something Cyclops might say in the real Pheonix Saga.
In any case, to Prof. X. This comment got me thinking about the line "You have no idea..." where his voice goes metallic. Could it be that it's not Professor X saying this? We know that Mystique has had a "metallic" voice in the past, and that she can replicate his retinal scan for Cerebro. So it would make sense that she could also replicate his voice to a T.
Now i just have to wonder in what context Mystique might be posing as Professor X that she might say something like that.
Who's this supposed Simon Kinberg user?
sirius14sho
04-23-2006, 02:37 AM
Hmm. Sound interesting, Simons comment more so than the Mystique idea, but could be.:confused:
AcidTWister
04-23-2006, 02:43 AM
Who's this supposed Simon Kinberg user?
eh, i forget the name now. i think it was SublimeDelusion that caught people's attention though. That's his name if i remember correctly. Most, if not all, of his posts are in the cyclops thread.
Maybe it's only a coincidence. :O
TNC9852002
04-23-2006, 04:57 AM
I dunno...I know of a few instances where actors/characters had lines in tv spots and trailers that were switched around with other characters in the final film..
-TNC
Specter313
05-28-2006, 02:40 AM
bump
Slim_X
05-29-2006, 07:49 PM
What was the name of the class Xavier was giving? Mutant Ethics? :confused:
xwolverine2
05-29-2006, 07:50 PM
se murio
Slim_X
05-29-2006, 07:59 PM
Anyone?
xwolverine2
05-29-2006, 08:00 PM
nope
xwolverine2
05-29-2006, 08:00 PM
Xaviers Class = Slack Class!
The Caped Knight
05-30-2006, 10:16 AM
I've notice a pattern in The X-Men movies with Professor Charles Xavier , he's always put in danger.
X1 - Magneto sends Mystique to infiltrate the Xavier Institute to poisons Cerebro. So that Xavier can't help his X-Men .
X2 - William Stryker captures Professor Xavier and uses his son Jason Stryker to control Professor Xavier's mind to use a bad version of Cerebro to find all existing mutants and kill them.
X3 - Dark Phoenix uses her powers to destory her former friend & Mentor by disintegrating him {not realizing that he uses his powers to transport his mind into another body}
if their is an X4 , What do you think will happen to Charles Xavier ?
XCharlieX
05-30-2006, 05:43 PM
Xaviers the man... he stepped up to phoenix and died trying. Noble.
trigger2happy
05-30-2006, 07:03 PM
Was he lifted off the wheelchair by Jean when she stood up or did he do that to try and match her psychic powers?
Mar420x
05-30-2006, 07:05 PM
cassandra nova? anyone think for the next trilogy it kind of makes sense.
after reading this brett ratner interview on comics2film.com
Q: Now, why did you choose to do that?
BR: It's a spoiler, I just wanted people to, you know, it's a wink, it's not. Death isn't relevant in this universe anyway. I just thought, I got the idea when I read the script about the ethics class, where you can put the body, this consciousness of the person into this body. I said, oh, Professor X is such a beloved character, I said maybe he comes back and, there's a whole lot of story, and real hardcore fans will get that there's a whole thing about him having a twin brother that died at birth. You know, there's some crazy backstory **** going on, so is that the brother who's brain dead, grew up?
DarknessOfDeath
05-30-2006, 07:06 PM
It was Jean who lifted him off the wheelchair... reminds of that particular comic pic that was posted a while ago. WOW.
fabxxx
05-30-2006, 07:08 PM
According to rumors, the body with no mind is Xavier's twin brother... If they go on with an X4, they can create a backstory that Xavier had a twin brother that was born with no mind due to the mutation... Something like Xavier having all that mind power, but the twin none... Xavier always felt bad and blamed himself for having all that power while his twin brother was born without conciousness (spl?)... So that's why he kept it a secret and kept taking care of his brother all these years.
In the comics, Xavier got cloned... the version in the movies has him having a twin brother, not a bad idea.
That would explain why he has the same voice and will keep his powers for X4
DarknessOfDeath
05-30-2006, 07:10 PM
makes kinda sense... not sure if I'd want to see a clone of X though lol.
Exploding Boy
05-30-2006, 07:17 PM
I like how they made him look like an ass. Its like how he is in the comics right now.
DarknessOfDeath
05-30-2006, 07:31 PM
yeah. He's not your average goodie to shoes, right? lol Its like Obi-wan Kenobi :p he did some bad things...
"Iron Man"
05-30-2006, 07:37 PM
Xavier will be back, along with Scott, and possibly Phoenix.
The Caped Knight
05-30-2006, 07:37 PM
cassandra nova? anyone think for the next trilogy it kind of makes sense.
after reading this brett ratner interview on comics2film.com
Q: Now, why did you choose to do that?
BR: It's a spoiler, I just wanted people to, you know, it's a wink, it's not. Death isn't relevant in this universe anyway. I just thought, I got the idea when I read the script about the ethics class, where you can put the body, this consciousness of the person into this body. I said, oh, Professor X is such a beloved character, I said maybe he comes back and, there's a whole lot of story, and real hardcore fans will get that there's a whole thing about him having a twin brother that died at birth. You know, there's some crazy backstory **** going on, so is that the brother who's brain dead, grew up?
Well, this could work, In the comics it was a clone, so why not just make it a twin brother in the movies. I like this idea, that way Sewart can continue being Prof. Xavier .
"Iron Man"
05-30-2006, 07:40 PM
So, when Xavier was disenagrated, was anybody else like me and just like "WOA!!!!!" I thought to myself "NOOOOOOO! Xavier is like, thebest X-Man out there, he can't die...." although I did think it was a spectacular death scene!
DarknessOfDeath
05-30-2006, 07:42 PM
... yeah...reminded me of Vader cutting down obiwan but obiwan was back but only as a force ghost...
XCharlieX
05-30-2006, 07:45 PM
So, when Xavier was disenagrated, was anybody else like me and just like "WOA!!!!!" I thought to myself "NOOOOOOO! Xavier is like, thebest X-Man out there, he can't die...." although I did think it was a spectacular death scene! I heard it was going to happen, but when i saw his skin start ripping i was like man... poor Xavier :( I have no issues with the creative decision however. Brilliant.
Specter313
05-31-2006, 12:21 AM
bump. we don't need another Xavier thread.
We should have that thread...
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233985
...merged with this thread.
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