Question about ending of TLH

[trustyside-kick]

Okay, in the end of The Long Halloween Gilda Dent is throwing away that stuff and says "I read your case files. About taking serial numbers off guns and...and how a baby bottle nipple would muffle the sound. How clues are left at murder scenes..."

I thought she did the first killings as Holiday and then Alberto and then last two kills were Two-Face...but if she was the 1st how would she know the stuff I said in the quote above? The main thing that confuses me is how she said reading his case files she found out a "baby bottle nipple would muffle the sound".

[hippie_hunter]

Previous case files before the Holiday murders.

[trustyside-kick]

Yea I was thinking that..but wouldn't that mean that people before have tried to use baby bottle nipples? Someone did that in the issues before TLH or something? Why would someone use that to silence a gun? (disreguarding Holiday obviously) Please tell me so.

[ToddIsDead]

Why would someone use that? Because it works and is more inconspicuous than going out and buying a scilencer..

[trustyside-kick]

Ya..I know..but she said she read his case files and all..I just thought was odd that she would find out that a baby bottle nipple would work like a silencer..if anything I would have been less confused and preferred her just doing it naturally and not be from some case files/reports.

Ok, thanks for straightening that out for me. I thought there was something more behind it. TLH was badass.

[Derek4president]

hey i have a question myself

whats the cover price of the tp?

[CConn]

$19.99

Of course, you can get it for nearly half that at www.amazon.com or www.dreamlandcomics.com

[warren_sparta27]

is it confirmed that Glida was Holiday at one stage? or was it a dream sequence, or was she just talking crap or what?
has leob told us what really happened?

[Cobblepot]

Nope, nope and no he hasn't.

[The Question]

Ya..I know..but she said she read his case files and all..I just thought was odd that she would find out that a baby bottle nipple would work like a silencer..if anything I would have been less confused and preferred her just doing it naturally and not be from some case files/reports.

Ok, thanks for straightening that out for me. I thought there was something more behind it. TLH was badass.


There were just other cases where people used baby bottle niples as silencers. People use household items to make inexpensive but effective tools for crimes all the time.

[Cobblepot]

A plastic bottle also works like a charm, but it's a bit big.

[hippie_hunter]

is it confirmed that Glida was Holiday at one stage?
Yes, followed by Harvey Dent and then Alberto Falcone. Though that is a subject of debate and what I stated is my opinion. But Gilda and Alberto were definetly Holiday killers
or was it a dream sequence,
No
or was she just talking crap or what?
No
has leob told us what really happened?
No, and in my opinion that's what makes the Long Halloween so great

[MaskedManJRK]

is it confirmed that Glida was Holiday at one stage? or was it a dream sequence, or was she just talking crap or what?
has leob told us what really happened?

I personally believe she didn't, but I'm of the minority when it comes to that.

And Loeb has pretty much left us to have our own intepetations when it comes to the order of the Hoiday murderers.

[trustyside-kick]

Okay well my question was answered long ago lol...but appearently warren_sparta27 has some of his own. This is how I identified who did what killings:

-Gilda did the first 4 killings and on New Year's Eve Alberto faked his death and left the baby bottle nipple along with a little object.

-Then Alberto did the next 7 killings and got caught confessing he was Holiday (even though he did not start it).

-Harvery Dent killed the last 2 people in the same day.

But I do not see why you would think that that was a dream suquence warren_sparta27. I really don't.

[hippie_hunter]

Okay well my question was answered long ago lol...but appearently warren_sparta27 has some of his own. This is how I identified who did what killings:

-Gilda did the first 4 killings and on New Year's Eve Alberto faked his death and left the baby bottle nipple along with a little object.

-Then Alberto did the next 7 killings and got caught confessing he was Holiday (even though he did not start it).

-Harvery Dent killed the last 2 people in the same day.

But I do not see why you would think that that was a dream suquence warren_sparta27. I really don't.

In my opinion Gilda did the first killings, followed by Harvey (attempted to kill Alberto but failed) followed by Alberto (starting Father's Day) then finally Two-Face.

[trustyside-kick]

In my opinion Gilda did the first killings, followed by Harvey (attempted to kill Alberto but failed) followed by Alberto (starting Father's Day) then finally Two-Face.

Ya, I completely understand...I can see why you say that because Gilda talked about Harvey coming home with his hair wet and the whole thing about New Years.

The good thing about TLH is that you can re-read it and it is just as much fun as when the first time you read it.

[droogiedroogie2]

Ya, I completely understand...I can see why you say that because Gilda talked about Harvey coming home with his hair wet and the whole thing about New Years.

The good thing about TLH is that you can re-read it and it is just as much fun as when the first time you read it.The bad thing about that is, there's really no answer to the mystery. They leave it so open-ended that it isn't even satisfying to solve it yourself, because you can't. It might be twelve different guys, for all you know.

[trustyside-kick]

I thought it was clear that Gilda, Alberto, and Harvey were all Holiday at one point though.

[hippie_hunter]

I thought it was clear that Gilda, Alberto, and Harvey were all Holiday at one point though.

Gilda Dent
Halloween - Johnny Viti
Thanksgiving - Jimmy Murphy, Kevin Kelly, Willie O'Neil, Donald Sullivan, Mickey Sullivan
Christmas - Milos Grapa

Harvey Dent
New Year's - Alberto Falcone (failed)
Valentine's Day - attack on Maroni's Restaurant (numerous killed)
St. Patrick's Day - attack on Maroni's safehouse (numerous killed)???
Halloween - Carmine Falcone (as Two-Face)

Alberto Falcone
St. Patrick's Day - attack on Maroni's safehouse (numerous killed)???
April Fools Day - the Riddler (failed)
Mother's Day - Gunsmith
Father's Day - Luigi Maroni
Independence Day - Gotham City coroner
the Roman's Birthday - Carla Viti
Labor Day - Sal Maroni

[TheFalcon]

I think Gilda started it. Harvey may or may not have tried to kill Alberto but anyway Alberto continued. Gilda stopped because she thought Harvey had continued. Two-Face was the last one.

I see Two-Face as the bad side and Harvey as the good side of the same person. Therefore I think it doesn't work if Harvey started killing before he became Two-Face.

[trustyside-kick]

Gilda Dent
Halloween - Johnny Viti
Thanksgiving - Jimmy Murphy, Kevin Kelly, Willie O'Neil, Donald Sullivan, Mickey Sullivan
Christmas - Milos Grapa

Harvey Dent
New Year's - Alberto Falcone (failed)
Valentine's Day - attack on Maroni's Restaurant (numerous killed)
St. Patrick's Day - attack on Maroni's safehouse (numerous killed)
April Fools Day - the Riddler (failed)
Mother's Day - Gunsmith???
Halloween - Carmine Falcone (as Two-Face)

Alberto Falcone
Mother's Day - Gunsmith???
Father's Day - Luigi Maroni
Independence Day - Gotham City coroner
the Roman's Birthday - Carla Viti
Labor Day - Sal Maroni

I thought Harvey only did 2 killings and failed trying to kill Alberto on New Year's Day. I thought Alberto killed off Maroni's men. But I still am not sure who did April Fool's Day and did not kill The Riddler.

[hippie_hunter]

I thought Harvey only did 2 killings and failed trying to kill Alberto on New Year's Day. I thought Alberto killed off Maroni's men. But I still am not sure who did April Fool's Day and did not kill The Riddler.

It's clear that Harvey was behind the attacks on New Year's and Valentines Day. The rest are debateable.

[hippie_hunter]

However, now that I think about it, Alberto clearly was the one who killed the Gunsmith. Harvey and Gilda made their guns in their basement. Alberto is obviously not a person who would do such a thing and the Gunsmith would have revealed that Alberto was alive and well just like the coroner and Carla Viti would have. Also it was Alberto who went to do the "killing" of the Riddler on account that Harvey was busy with Gordon at the time of the shooting, talking about Bruce Wayne's connection with the Falcones.

[Vile]

God bless The Long Halloween.

It's been out how long and we can still talk and debate about it. THATS what makes a great book.

[trustyside-kick]

Damn-skippy this is probably my favorite series.

[trustyside-kick]

It's clear that Harvey was behind the attacks on New Year's and Valentines Day. The rest are debateable.

Wait, why do you say he did the killing on Valentine's Day? Is it because Vernon was with Sal Maroni and told him Harvey thinks Maroni is behind this Holiday thing? The fact that the heart-shaped box of chocolates Holiday left at the scene is identical to the one Harvey gave Gilda? Or the fact that Harvey came home late that night to his wife? I do see why you say Harvey. The only reason why I was thinking of it being Alberto is because the fact that the target of the killing was Maroni's men.

[co2]

I just read the thing, and really enjoyed it aaaaalllllll the way until the very end. The mystery throughout kept me riveted, and when Alberto showed back up...it was a really good surprise. He had a motive which all made sense. But in the last couple of pages, with the implication that Harvey and Gilda being involved...I just don't get it. Why would Gilda, a normal house wife, start killing mafia guys? And why would she stop and then Harvey pick it up? That's not making sense for me. Neither of them have a motive. And why would Alberto confess to all of the killings and allow himself to be sentenced to death if he knows better?
I really enjoyed reading it and was on the verge of loving it but it is the very end that is holding it back for me because it doesn't make sense.

[hippie_hunter]

I just read the thing, and really enjoyed it aaaaalllllll the way until the very end. The mystery throughout kept me riveted, and when Alberto showed back up...it was a really good surprise. He had a motive which all made sense. But in the last couple of pages, with the implication that Harvey and Gilda being involved...I just don't get it. Why would Gilda, a normal house wife, start killing mafia guys? And why would she stop and then Harvey pick it up? That's not making sense for me. Neither of them have a motive. And why would Alberto confess to all of the killings and allow himself to be sentenced to death if he knows better?
I really enjoyed reading it and was on the verge of loving it but it is the very end that is holding it back for me because it doesn't make sense.

- Gilda killed because she wanted to have a normal life without a stressed out Harvey, without the mobsters, he wouldn't be so stressed and their marriage would be fixed (that was her logic).

- Harvey picked it up because he wanted the mobsters dead, and probally did not want his wife to continue being a murderer.

- Alberto went crazy.

- Alberto surviving really socked me too. Shocked me that Gilda was Holiday too. Didn't see either comming.

[Kraven]

Here's something I don't quite get... the murder on New Years was Alberto, but Alberto lived, so how could that have been Harvey unless he didn't finish the job or something?

[co2]

- Gilda killed because she wanted to have a normal life without a stressed out Harvey, without the mobsters, he wouldn't be so stressed and their marriage would be fixed (that was her logic).

That, uh...doesn't really make sense to me. If that's the reason, it's pretty weak.


- Harvey picked it up because he wanted the mobsters dead, and probally did not want his wife to continue being a murderer.

That makes even less sense.


- Alberto went crazy.


Why did Alberto go crazy?


- Alberto surviving really socked me too. Shocked me that Gilda was Holiday too. Didn't see either comming.

I took it not that Alberto survived, but that he faked his death, which makes more sense. If he is believed to be dead, he won't be a suspect. It worked on me as the reader. I totally forgot about him. I wish it had ended simply with him being Holiday.

[hippie_hunter]

That, uh...doesn't really make sense to me. If that's the reason, it's pretty weak.
Why she wanted to be with Harvey, she wanted to start a family with Harvey. Falcone was taking Harvey away from her.

That makes even less sense.
Why, because he loves his wife.

Why did Alberto go crazy?
Because his father did not treat him as an equal. He didn't pay enough attention to him.

I took it not that Alberto survived, but that he faked his death, which makes more sense. If he is believed to be dead, he won't be a suspect. It worked on me as the reader. I totally forgot about him. I wish it had ended simply with him being Holiday.
Harvey tried to kill Alberto in my opinion because he came home all wet.

[trustyside-kick]

Ya, the only issue that is confusing for me still is the New Years Eve one.

[Kraven]

Ya, the only issue that is confusing for me still is the New Years Eve one.
I'm thinkin that Alberto faked his death, because isn't that when it started to be Maroni's men being killed? Then Gilda was being paranoid about Harvey, and he didn't become Holiday until the very end.

[trustyside-kick]

I'm thinkin that Alberto faked his death, because isn't that when it started to be Maroni's men being killed? Then Gilda was being paranoid about Harvey, and he didn't become Holiday until the very end.

Ya. I have completely considered what hippie_hunter said about Harvey failing to kill Alberto or something but the thing that I believe the most is Alberto faking his death so that no one would suspect him to be Holiday.

[hippie_hunter]

That's another thing that makes the Long Halloween so great, everyones opinion is valid here.

[trustyside-kick]

Yea. Before I was sorta of unsure but now I am definetly sure that The Long Halloween is my favorite Graphic Novel.

[Kraven]

It's definately high up there, only second on my list to The Killing Joke, which I just got yesterday.

[Léo Ho Tep]

Harvey being one of the holiday killer,could it work without destroying his two face transformation? I mean, in "jekyll and hyde", jenkins implies he was two face even before his face was burnt. I don't buy this version.

I prefer a good harvey really losing it after being attacked. So I don't think he killed anyone before becoming two face.