Extreme Dc

[owen_2006_294]

hey everyone, i'm developing a lineup of fan fics that make up the EXTREME DC universe (it's the Ultimate version of the DCverse).

the lineup consists of
1) Extreme Titans
2) Extreme Justice
3) Extreme Superman
4) Extreme Batman

later on might have
5) Extreme Wonder Woman
6) Extreme Flash

if u wanna join the writing crew please reply here or send me a pm.

[The Question]

You know, actually, I wouldn't mind helping out. At least by throwing out some ideas.

[Artistsean]

I'll help with some ideas and character designs if you want, but thats about it.

[owen_2006_294]

thanks. can u design a Superman for us?

[The Question]

Also, I wouldn't go with "extreme" for the title. Sounds to lame. An idea DC has for the name of such a line was "2000". There would be "Superman: 2000" and "Batman: 2000" and "Justice League: 2000". Like that.

[owen_2006_294]

so ur suggesting like Titans: 2000? how does it sound too lame?

[Valorman]

i like the extreme. and id definetly help with character design (along with Artistsean ofcourse).

[owen_2006_294]

thanks. so let's take a vote. which one sounds better Extreme DC or DC 2000?

[Valorman]

well id say if we needed an alternative to "extreme" that may not be a bad idea, but 2000 sounds..horrible to me. no offence...

[The Question]

It was just an idea. I'm not particularly keen on it either, but it's better than "Extreme".

[Valorman]

maybe we should come up with something entirly differint. any sugestions? (yes im being a jerk and not offering any)

[owen_2006_294]

okay. who would like to write some of Extreme Justice, Extreme Batman, and Extreme Superman?

[Spectre722]

here's some proposals, ive had these ideas for a while now and if u want i can go more in-depth with the explanations

superman-after krypton is conquered by darkseid one ship of refugees wanders the universe looking for a new home, an explosion on the ship forces jor-el and lara to jettison their twelve year old son kal-el to save him from certain death. he lands three years later in kansas where hes taken in by the kents.

batman-his father an abusive, womanizing, alcoholic and his mother a pill-popper in denial, Bruce Wayne had a very sad childhood. When Thomas went too far and severely beat Martha, Bruce out of sheer terror killed his father with the man's own gun. Martha, still under the influence of pain-killers took the gun and shot herself. To keep Bruce safe, Alfred the family butler, took the fall and was sentenced to a ridiculous term due to a corrupt judge who had been Thomas' friend. Taken in by Dr. Leslie Tompkins, Bruce swore he would bring justice to the corrupt people like the judge and his father.

Wonder Woman-Themyscira, a paradise of ancient Greek culture, nestled deep in the Amazon jungle, is home to a civilization dominated by women where men are enslaved and used for labor and breeding. when a u.s. military helicopter crashes near the city, Princess Diana, eldest daughter of Empress Hyppolota, leads an assault on the downed soldiers. only one soldier survives, Capt. Steven Trevor and he is taken to the breeding pens. impressed with his fighting spirit, Diana falls in love with him. before the two can escape the city, Diana's treacherous sister, Donna reveals the two and Trevor is executed. As punishment, Diana is exiled from Themyscira and forced to integrate into man's world, acting as a spy for the Themyscirans. She kills and takes the identity of a young secretary in Metropolis, Lois Lane.

more to come

[The Question]

Wow. Those are some major changes.

[DeGenerate10]

I'll help

[owen_2006_294]

here's some proposals, ive had these ideas for a while now and if u want i can go more in-depth with the explanations

superman-after krypton is conquered by darkseid one ship of refugees wanders the universe looking for a new home, an explosion on the ship forces jor-el and lara to jettison their twelve year old son kal-el to save him from certain death. he lands three years later in kansas where hes taken in by the kents.

batman-his father an abusive, womanizing, alcoholic and his mother a pill-popper in denial, Bruce Wayne had a very sad childhood. When Thomas went too far and severely beat Martha, Bruce out of sheer terror killed his father with the man's own gun. Martha, still under the influence of pain-killers took the gun and shot herself. To keep Bruce safe, Alfred the family butler, took the fall and was sentenced to a ridiculous term due to a corrupt judge who had been Thomas' friend. Taken in by Dr. Leslie Tompkins, Bruce swore he would bring justice to the corrupt people like the judge and his father.

Wonder Woman-Themyscira, a paradise of ancient Greek culture, nestled deep in the Amazon jungle, is home to a civilization dominated by women where men are enslaved and used for labor and breeding. when a u.s. military helicopter crashes near the city, Princess Diana, eldest daughter of Empress Hyppolota, leads an assault on the downed soldiers. only one soldier survives, Capt. Steven Trevor and he is taken to the breeding pens. impressed with his fighting spirit, Diana falls in love with him. before the two can escape the city, Diana's treacherous sister, Donna reveals the two and Trevor is executed. As punishment, Diana is exiled from Themyscira and forced to integrate into man's world, acting as a spy for the Themyscirans. She kills and takes the identity of a young secretary in Metropolis, Lois Lane.

more to come

i like the Batman proposal.

[owen_2006_294]

i've begun to work on the first issue of Extreme Titans

[The Question]

Well, what's our idea? Because, I have more than a few.

[owen_2006_294]

should we go with Spectre's Batman proposal?

[The Question]

Well, I'm not particularly fond of it. The changes seem unnecesairy. Also, what's your Teen Titans idea?

[King Ruler]

How about DC Unlimited for a title? And I can help out with some ideas if needed.

[DeGenerate10]

Well, I'm not particularly fond of it. The changes seem unnecesairy.

That's how I feel about it too.

How about DC Unlimited for a title?

Personally I think that's a better title but that's just me.

[Spectre722]

Here's some more brief explanatations, again if u have any questions let me know...

The Flash/Iris Allen: Attending Keystone University to study Engineering, Iris fell in love with one of her professors, Barry Allen. After graduating Iris married Barry and she moved to Keystone fulltime. At the time Barry was working on developing a new synthetic fuel that would allow for incredibly faster speeds. Working late one stormy night with his colleagues, Ray Palmer and Ralph Dibny, Barry was blasted by a bolt of lightning and died instantly. As he fell dead the synthetic fuel fell and the glass shattered, spilling the chemical on the floor. Barry's body, charged with electricity, fell in the chemical, charging the chemical itself. When visiting the crime scene, a distraught Iris, accidentally and briefly came in contact with the charged chemical. Barely surviving, she later found she had been charged with lightning fast superspeed.

Green Lantern of 2814/Hal Jordan: Captain Hal Jordan was the pilot of the first manned deep-space exploration voyage in human history. His crew consisted of navigator Guy Gardner, engineer John Stewart, and scientist Adam Strange. However, when the Zeta Beam drive engine inexplicably malfunctioned they found themselves floating adrift in another galaxy. They would've certainly died had they not been saved by Abin Sur a Green Lantern. Taking the four to Oa, base of operations of the Green Lantern Corps, Sur was impressed with their bravery after assissting in repelling an assault by the Quardian Weaponeers. They were deemed worthy of Corps training. After being the first of his group to make Green Lantern, Hal was assigned to sector 2814, his home galaxy, and he now operates out of his hometown Coast City.

[The Question]

*raises hand*



Why change the Flash to Iris? I'm sorry, but alot of your changes seem rather random.

[Spectre722]

*raises hand*



Why change the Flash to Iris? I'm sorry, but alot of your changes seem rather random.

simply because i can. the flash thing i changed because i wanted something different.

i know u didn't like the batman thing. my idea was to take the core idea of batman, bringing justice to the corrupt people of the world, but not as an act of avenging his parents' deaths. its like ur travelin to the same destination just taking a different route, and coming out a different person in the end

[TheSlag]

thanks. so let's take a vote. which one sounds better Extreme DC or DC 2000?

Extreme :up:

[The Question]

simply because i can. the flash thing i changed because i wanted something different.

i know u didn't like the batman thing. my idea was to take the core idea of batman, bringing justice to the corrupt people of the world, but not as an act of avenging his parents' deaths. its like ur travelin to the same destination just taking a different route, and coming out a different person in the end


Simply because you can doesn't seem like a particularly good reason. I mean, you seem to want to change things for the sake of changing them. If something's not broken, no need to change it. Batman's origin is perfectly fine the way it is. Changing it changes him, and I don't see any real reason to do it.

[javon]

hey everyone, i'm developing a lineup of fan fics that make up the EXTREME DC universe (it's the Ultimate version of the DCverse).

the lineup consists of
1) Extreme Titans
2) Extreme Justice
3) Extreme Superman
4) Extreme Batman

later on might have
5) Extreme Wonder Woman
6) Extreme Flash

if u wanna join the writing crew please reply here or send me a pm.

Dang owen, you just up-and left x-men! (lol,just kiddin')

[Valorman]

Simply because you can doesn't seem like a particularly good reason. I mean, you seem to want to change things for the sake of changing them. If something's not broken, no need to change it. Batman's origin is perfectly fine the way it is. Changing it changes him, and I don't see any real reason to do it.


i agree here. the idea of ultimate marvel wasint to change things simply because they could. but to make them seem slightly more realistic and fit our heroes to suit a modern auidence. the choices that were changed because "they could" have always been viewd as the slightly negative aspects to the ultimate U.

Why should we follow trend and simply switch around whatever we wanted without a purpose.(or well...a valid purpose) some of the changes just feel too drastic, and dont leave the same ammount of heart the original DC heroes had.

of course...this is all my opinion.

[owen_2006_294]

yeah. we all want something different. i'm using Wizard Magazine's proposal for the Extreme Titans. (Lex Luthor holding a audition for members of the team, etc.) i like the DC Unlimited idea for the title of the lineup.

[The Question]

Well, why use they Wizard thing? Anyway, for Teen Titans, my idea (which I came up before ever reading the article) is quite similar. It's the boy band of super teams. However, Lex Luthor would not be behind it. Max Lord would. Luthor would never do something like that. Not his thing. Robin, after having a falling out with Batman, would have moved to New York to atend private school there and become a vigilante there. He hears about the group, and auditions. Other members would be Cyborg, Kid Flash, Raven, Wonder Girl, Beast Boy, and Starfire. The group would be the joke of New York city for most of their careers, only really dealing with gangs and drug dealers and the like, and not doing the greatest job in the world of it. But, the kids still love 'em, so they make money. However, they become a bit more respected when they save the mayor from a terrorist organization known as H.I.V.E.

[owen_2006_294]

nice idea and everything. i didnt wanna have Robin have ties to the Batman of this line-up. plus I wrote a sample of what my version of it would be like.

Extreme Titans
Issue #1
by owen_2006_294

LexCorp.- Two Weeks Ago...

A man, in his early thirties, stands in his office located at the top floor of the building. He’s dressed in a gray business suit. He stands at the window overlooking the city of Metropolis. This man is Alexander ‘Lex’ Luthor.

A knock echoes throughout the room. Lex turns his attention away from ‘his’ city back to business as he looks to the door.

Lex: Come in.

A man, in his late twenties, dressed in a black business suit holding a portfolio enters the room.

Lex: Mr. Stevens, to what do I owe this honor?

Stevens: I’d like to discuss the Public Relations.

Lex walks over to his desk and sits down.

Lex: Okay. (He signals for Stevens to sit down) What about it?

Stevens places the portfolio on the desk.

Stevens: We just received the pollings from yesturday’s news coverage. (He says as he sits back in his chair)

Lex: And? (He takes a quick look through the portfolio)

Stevens: It’s not good. Our PR has decreased significantly after yesturday’s news story on the Justice League handing over Despero over to the police after the stunt he pulled.

Lex rises to his feet.

Lex: Remind me again what went wrong?

Stevens: Apparently, we didn’t look at the fact that he has a thing for children.

Lex: Right. Well first order of business is for you to wipe that smug look off your face. Second, I want you to figure out something that’ll help us increase our PR. If you do not figure out something that’ll solve our little problem by three o’ clock this afternoon, then you can hand in your resignation. (He says keeping his clam the entire time)

[The Question]

Well, I really think Max Lord makes more sense. And really, I don't like cutting ties between Robin and Batman. That's just not right.

[owen_2006_294]

so what r we suppose to do have Robin appear in the Batman issues as well?

[owen_2006_294]

Dang owen, you just up-and left x-men! (lol,just kiddin')

X-Men has been put on the back burner for a while.

[The Question]

so what r we suppose to do have Robin appear in the Batman issues as well?


Like I said. He leaves Gotham after a big arguement with Batman, moves to New York, and becomes a member of the Titans. The Teen Titans book can happen after Batman starts.

[owen_2006_294]

fine.

[King Ruler]

Well, why use they Wizard thing? Anyway, for Teen Titans, my idea (which I came up before ever reading the article) is quite similar. It's the boy band of super teams. However, Lex Luthor would not be behind it. Max Lord would. Luthor would never do something like that. Not his thing. Robin, after having a falling out with Batman, would have moved to New York to atend private school there and become a vigilante there. He hears about the group, and auditions. Other members would be Cyborg, Kid Flash, Raven, Wonder Girl, Beast Boy, and Starfire. The group would be the joke of New York city for most of their careers, only really dealing with gangs and drug dealers and the like, and not doing the greatest job in the world of it. But, the kids still love 'em, so they make money. However, they become a bit more respected when they save the mayor from a terrorist organization known as H.I.V.E.

Hmmm, I wouldn't mind helping out with this one. I decided tweaking some of these ideas to my own liking, but they don't have to be used, I just want your (and others') opinions:

In high school, Jason Todd is considered the wild one. The rebel with a bizzare sense of humor. He hides his insecurities and sorrow stemming from abusive parents behind a bizarre (and sometimes grim) sense of humor, always cracking jokes. His best friend is the star quarterback Vic Stone, who is the son of Silas Stone, head of STAR Labs. The two (with Vic on his spare time) aim to become famous with their up and coming band (the Titans) with Jason on guitar and Vic on drums.

On Jason's spare time (to make his life more interesting by curing his boredom syndrome), he wears an old Halloween costume that he designed to make himself in the image of a superhero (a ridiculous one at that). The costume is green and red with a yellow cape and he parades around the neighborhood causing mischief as well as trying to do a couple good deeds when thrown at him.

Vic (unknown to him and his friends) is actually an android made years ago, modeled after Silas' deceased son who would have been Vic had he not died. Vic later discovers this after getting into a violent car crash and discovering that he walked out from the accident with his prostetic skin partly destroyed and many of his parts damaged. After arriving at STAR Labs, the scientists rebuild what they can, remaking him into a cyborg. Horrified, Vic runs away.

Jason is wondering where Vic is the next day, knowing that they have a gig at a coffee place called the Tower. Vic arrives, but says he can't play in this condition, and Jason sees why. Vic also explains that STAR Labs suits are after Vic to bring him back, so Jason agrees to help him escape (he disguises himself in his costume to avoid being recognized by the suits, who he thinks "might kidnap my family and leave them in a dark room, with only the sounds of dripping water to keep them under control"). The two eventually find out that it is not STAR Lab suits after them, but instead someone else (secretly suits from a terrorist organization known as the H.I.V.E, who want Vic for their own purposes). They eventually defeat them and escape back to STAR Labs, where Vic somewhat makes up with his father, and the two return to society, but decide that maybe they should try and do this again and do something completely different with their band.

Vic can't go back to school like that, and Jason always wanted an exciting life, so he decides that their band should not consist of Vic Stone and Jason Todd, but instead Cyborg and Robin (Jason eventually changes his costume's color scheme). From their, they make their debut at the Tower as the first superhero rock band known as the Titans, but first they need new members, so they hold out auditions for such people who could fit their squad.

In later "issues"...

Eventually, they get a strange girl who wants to join them who calls herself "Raven" (real name Rachel Roth). She claims to be the Anti-Christ, so Robin and cyborg decide to keep as far away from her as possible, but she constantly appears around them, stalking them. Meanwhile, Robin meets up with the Batman who happens to be in town. He is his hero, and decides to tag along with the Bat, whether he likes it or not. He wants Batman to teach him and such, but he refuses. Eventually, Jason discovers why Batman is in town: apparently the child ambassador to Thamyscara (I can never spell this to save my life), Donna Troy, has been kidnapped by a group of terrorists (Vic suspects the H.I.V.E.) and the two join him to find her. Eventually they find her and discover she is in a specially designed cuffs, and when Batman frees her from them, they see why they were on her in the first place: she breaks free and defeats all the H.I.V.E. minions easily. The Titans discover she is an Amazon and eventually ask her to join their team. She agrees, but Batman says that she must return to the agency, but eventually decides to let her stay and insteads alerts the agency to her wereabouts so they can come get her later as he takes off (before leaving, Batman says there is potential in Jason, but he still won't be his mentor....yet).


Hows this sound so far?

[The Question]

Interesting. I, persdonally, wouldn't use Jason Todd. It'd be Dick Grayson.

[King Ruler]

Yeah, I see. Me personally, I chose Jason Todd just to take advantage of the whole retelling aspect of the DC Extreme/2000/Unlimited/whatever universe thing.

[The Question]

Way I see it, I don't understand why alot of the Ultimate DC ideas have Robin not being connected to Batman. That doesn't make sense. Way I see it, this should be Ultimate Robin:




Dick Grayson, son of of the famous Flying Graysons, has been living in Halie's Circus his whole life. Like his parents, he's an acomplished acrobat, and has even stood in for them on a few occasions. However, the local mobs have been hitting up the Circus foor protection money. When the owner refuses to pay up, they kill their star act. The Flying Graysons. Dick, in a state of anger and shock, dons his father's circus outfit and a mask, and goes after the mobster, Anthony Zucco, with vengance on his mind. He breaks into Zuuco's pent house, and proceeds to atack him with a large metal pipe. However, Zucco's gaurds save their boss, and catch Dick. Zucco, not particularly caring who the kid is, orders his men to take him into the city, put two bullets in his head, and dump him in the river. They do so, but beofe they can kill Dick, he's saved by Batman, who dissarms Zucco's thugs. Recognising Dick from what he glimpsed of Gordon's case file on the murders pf the Graysons, Bruce realizes that Dick must have been after revenge. He talks to Dick, and offers to train him. Teach him what he's learned. Dick, after much talk, accepts. So, Bruce takes Dick on as his aprentice of a sort. Dick already knows how to fight, so Bruce simply teaches him how to think like a fighter. How to look for an enemy's weaknesses and the like. When Bruce feel's Dick is ready, he gives him a black bullet proof body suit. Dick takes it, but adds two slight additions: A dark red vest, and an "R" pin on the right brest, as an homage to his parents (since his circus costume had a red vest and an "R" on it for "Richard"). He becomes the vigilante that the press dubbs "Robin", at first working with Batman a good deal, but eventually moving to New York after some conflicts of interest.

[King Ruler]

That's nice and all (and don't think I'm trying to shoot you down or anything), but the only problem I see from the whole Robin being connected to Batman is that it is a little too much to the original mythos. Though I understand a Robin without a Batman is like Mary without the virgin, I just feel that it'd be intersting to mix it up a bit. The Robin I just presented to you is planned to work along side Batman, just start off as solo but yearning for the chance to work with Batman, because let's think realistically here (though I know that's alot dealing with comics): do you really think Batman would endanger the life of a teenager by having him prowl the streets at looking for homicidal maniancs and supervillains? The way around this would be to have Robin make this desicion on his own, but that's just me.

[The Question]

And what's wrong with it being like it is in the origional? I mean, I understand that you are supposed to change things in Ultimate. I get that. Hell, I like that. But you still have to remain true to the core. Making Robin not be Batman's aprentice/partner is WAAAAAYYYYYYYY to big of a change. I mean, why? Batman wouldn't make a kid fight criminals? Well, forst off, who's to say Batman's making him? Batman knows the kid's going to want to get revenge anyway, so maybe Bats should make sure he doesn't get himself killed in the process. And second, who's to say he's a little kid? He could be 15 or 16 if we wanted.

[King Ruler]

Batman wouldn't make a kid fight criminals? Well, forst off, who's to say Batman's making him? Batman knows the kid's going to want to get revenge anyway, so maybe Bats should make sure he doesn't get himself killed in the process. And second, who's to say he's a little kid? He could be 15 or 16 if we wanted.

I'm not saying Batman's MAKING Robin fight along side of him. I'm saying that realistically thinking, Batman wouldn't allow a child (and when I mean child, I'm thinking between 12-16) to fight along side of him, but I see what you mean when you say it is straying too far away from the mythos. But I just had and idea to solve this: how about there be TWO Robins? If owens and everyone else agrees to go with my Titans idea and have Jason be Robin, for the Extreme/Unlimited/2000 Batman series, his sidekick can be Richard Grayson, but instead of him being Robin he'll automatically be Nightwing and he'll be older than Jason (probably nearing his 20s). This could cause tension between the two once Jason finds out Batman has taken on someone else as a partner and not him.


How does this sound? Technically we're keeping Robin away from Batman, while still having A Robin with Batman.

[The Question]

I'm not sure. I don't see the problem with Robin being a teenager. I mean, Batman knows Dick would want to go vigilante on his own, so it'd be in Dick's best interests for Bruce to train him. Besides, my idea for Batman would only have him starting at 21, so the age gap wouldn't be that large. Hell, Bruce would know that the only reason he didn't start at Dick's age is because then, he was still figuring out what he wanted to do. Dick knows, and being quite stubborn, is going to do it no matter what. Changing Robin's age seems very unnecesairy.

[King Ruler]

Which Robin do you mean? Dick or Jason?

[Spectre722]

ok iris doesn't have to be the flash, i guess that makes sense. but im very proud of my idea for batman. it doesnt change him horribly to the point where u wouldn't recognize him as a character but u can see the differences

[The Question]

Which Robin do you mean? Dick or Jason?



Dick. Way I see it, keep him a teenager. I see no reason to make him older. I mean, how does him being 20 make it any less dangerous for him than when he's 16, if he's equally trained at either age.

[The Question]

ok iris doesn't have to be the flash, i guess that makes sense. but im very proud of my idea for batman. it doesnt change him horribly to the point where u wouldn't recognize him as a character but u can see the differences


I just don't see the point of drastically altering his origin like that.

[King Ruler]

Dick. Way I see it, keep him a teenager. I see no reason to make him older. I mean, how does him being 20 make it any less dangerous for him than when he's 16, if he's equally trained at either age.

Okay, I see you're point there. So are we in agreement to make Dick Nightwing and Jason Robin (that is only if owens likes my Titans idea)?

[The Question]

Okay, I see you're point there. So are we in agreement to make Dick Nightwing and Jason Robin (that is only if owens likes my Titans idea)?



Maybe. Personally, here's how I'd like to see it happen:



Dick is a vigilante in Gotham for a while, working both solo and with Batman. Batman realizes that he can't handle all of Gotham by himself, and he realizes that Dick will want to do his own thing, so they take seperat patrol routs alot, and only team up for the larger stuff. However, Dick eventually gets pissed with Bruce bossing him around so much (sort of a big brother/little brother syndrome), and starts atending boarding school in New York, while being active as a vigilante there. He hears about the Teen Titans, and auditions.

[King Ruler]

Okay, that sounds good, but will this be Nightwing Dick or are you still on Robin Dick?

(That could work, like maybe Nightwing Dick could be working with Batman like you said and then get annoyed with him and leave to New York where he auditions for the Titans, where he meets Jason Robin, who develops a sort of jealousy towards him).

[The Question]

I don't see why we should involve Jason at all. And I'd keep the name Robin. I don't see why not.

[King Ruler]

Hmmm, well it appears we've met at an impasse. Meh well, doesn't really matter what either of us thinks, really. I guess it all depends on owens.

[Spectre722]

I just don't see the point of drastically altering his origin like that.

well id rather not just rewrite the same origin for batman with just different dialouge and some minor details changed. i wanted to write my own origin for him so we could get to the same place, a dark vigilante-detective prowling the streets as an urban myth or superstition, but get there via a different route

[The Question]

But why? Even Ultimate Marvel didn't change most of their origin's that drastically. They ddin't change Captain America's at all. They only changed The Hulk's and Spider-Man's as to get rid of the whole radiation thing. Giant Man'sis exactly the same. Iron Man's is too, except they replaced the heard problems with a brain tumor to have it make more sense. There's no need to change his origin so drastically.

[King Ruler]

Then again Ultimate Marvel did make Ben Reiley an African American lab assistant who has no relation whatsoever to Peter Parker; they made Blackie Drago (the second Vulture in the 616 continuity) the first Vulture; Harry Osborn the Hobgoblin; and let's not forget Mark Raxton the non Molten Man.

[The Question]

True. But really, they weren't going to introduce Ben as he was, so really, a little throwaway like that is fine. He wasn't a major character.

[owen_2006_294]

they also changed the Green Goblin (by making it a Jekyll and Hyde thing). why couldnt we make a amalgam of a Jason Todd/Tim Drake Robin? i like the idea of having Jason Todd because we could have him turn into a villain.

[owen_2006_294]

how do we know that Ben isnt going to become a major character? they said on a marvel website that they were going to be bringing Ben back in future issues.

[The Question]

they also changed the Green Goblin (by making it a Jekyll and Hyde thing). why couldnt we make a amalgam of a Jason Todd/Tim Drake Robin? i like the idea of having Jason Todd because we could have him turn into a villain.


They didn't make Green Goblin into a Jekll and Hyde thing. All they did is change his powers and look. I just don't see why we can't have Dick be Robin, and have him be Batman's partner.

[King Ruler]

Yeah, in fact it's rumored (though only rumored) that Ben Reiley will be playing a key point in the upcoming Ultiamte Clone Saga, which I believe is supposed to involved the Carnage sample Ben had in his last (and only) appearance.

[owen_2006_294]

they did to make him into a Jekyll and Hyde character at first. then he gained control of his ability to shift between his goblin form and human form. i'm not saying we cant have Dick be Robin. but i think we should consider all the options beforehand. and like Spectre said that it's interesting to see a new twist on the DC characters in the Extreme DC lineup.

[King Ruler]

Uh yeah, explain to me how he can be considered a Jekyl/Hyde type character? Is it only because of the transformations, which he had full control over from the start? Because it can't be because of his constant scitzophrenic personality, for the simple fact that he doesn't have one. He was power hungry and crazy as Osborn, and all that was just tweaked when he became Goblin.

And I don't mean to sound like a pestering ass or anything, but has a desicion been made about which Titans line you's prefer, owens?

[The Question]

they did to make him into a Jekyll and Hyde character at first. then he gained control of his ability to shift between his goblin form and human form.

That doesn't make him a Jekll and Hyde character. That just means that he was still learning how to control his powers at first.

i'm not saying we cant have Dick be Robin. but i think we should consider all the options beforehand. and like Spectre said that it's interesting to see a new twist on the DC characters in the Extreme DC lineup.

I know. I'm just saying, I don't think we should change them simply for the sake of changing them.

[Spectre722]

i keep giving u explanations question, and all u respond with is "why?" geez. and u keep comparin this to the ultimate universe. i know were tryin to do the dc verison of this but that doesnt mean it has to reflect everything ultimate marvel does.

[The Question]

You're right. It doesn't. But really, I don't see anything good about fundamentally changing these characters just for the sake of changing them.

[King Ruler]

Okay, so we agree to disagree. Everything settled?

[Valorman]

some of the ideas. the changes...just seem too "fan made" to me

which they are..but cant we do better?

i say, make it so that dick grayson is batmans ward for a short period of time. upon finding out his idenity. bruce allows him to roam the batcave (under strict rules...we dont want him touching anything and setting it off) dick begins to train under bruce, not to become a sidekick, but just for general better health.bruce sees his determination and teaches him other things that would be usefull to him (he would want to keep himself in the same shape he was during his acrobats carrear wouldint he?) eventualy, batman gets in some form of trouble. he calls for alfred to pick him up(or something similar to that) and because alfred isint there at the moment for some reason or another, dick grabs some spare parts and gadgets and goes after bruce.

here, after dick has finished helping batman. bruce isint exactly happy, angry that dick has damaged equpitment, risked both of there lives, and possibly begining to go down a road he doesint want him to travel, he has a fight with dick *not physicaly ofcourse* dick winds up leaving, running away to new york and trying to find a place to continue his training. bruce still has dick under surveliance however. and that could lead up to the two meeting later on.

this origin would allow the robin persona to be created during teen titans "as some wanted" while keeping the connection to batman, allowing the two to have a past while not compleatly making dick batmans "boy wonder"


EDIT: i drew a redesign for robin. no particular story ideas were thrown into the suit (considdering we didint have any when i sketched this) but i was asked to incorperate a hood as a "robin hood" throwback.i also made his hair longer just incase dick (who's the model i chose for robin) was going to become nightwing any time soon, i figured it would make the transistion smoother.(i also wanted to break away from the "robins look the same" thing, i would personal illustrate each with differint haircuts and features.) Here's the rough design, i mean VEERYY rough.there are two pictures, ill polish them both and present them when there finished.

http://static.flickr.com/34/123055531_cb63bf6210.jpg

[owen_2006_294]

thats perfect for Robin, imo.

[owen_2006_294]

some of the ideas. the changes...just seem too "fan made" to me

which they are..but cant we do better?

i say, make it so that dick grayson is batmans ward for a short period of time. upon finding out his idenity. bruce allows him to roam the batcave (under strict rules...we dont want him touching anything and setting it off) dick begins to train under bruce, not to become a sidekick, but just for general better health.bruce sees his determination and teaches him other things that would be usefull to him (he would want to keep himself in the same shape he was during his acrobats carrear wouldint he?) eventualy, batman gets in some form of trouble. he calls for alfred to pick him up(or something similar to that) and because alfred isint there at the moment for some reason or another, dick grabs some spare parts and gadgets and goes after bruce.

here, after dick has finished helping batman. bruce isint exactly happy, angry that dick has damaged equpitment, risked both of there lives, and possibly begining to go down a road he doesint want him to travel, he has a fight with dick *not physicaly ofcourse* dick winds up leaving, running away to new york and trying to find a place to continue his training. bruce still has dick under surveliance however. and that could lead up to the two meeting later on.

this origin would allow the robin persona to be created during teen titans "as some wanted" while keeping the connection to batman, allowing the two to have a past while not compleatly making dick batmans "boy wonder"


EDIT: i drew a redesign for robin. no particular story ideas were thrown into the suit (considdering we didint have any when i sketched this) but i was asked to incorperate a hood as a "robin hood" throwback.i also made his hair longer just incase dick (who's the model i chose for robin) was going to become nightwing any time soon, i figured it would make the transistion smoother.(i also wanted to break away from the "robins look the same" thing, i would personal illustrate each with differint haircuts and features.) Here's the rough design, i mean VEERYY rough.there are two pictures, ill polish them both and present them when there finished.

http://static.flickr.com/34/123055531_cb63bf6210.jpg

so all agreed that this is perfect for Robin? for the lineup of the Teen Titans, i was thinking about having Cyborg, Raven, Kid Flash (we'll come up with some other name for him), Power Girl, and possibly Beast Boy (or Changeling)

[The Question]

Good idea. More or less how I'd see it, although I'd have Dick operating in Gotham for a little while before heading for New York. But that's just me. Also, I had thought that in Gotham, he could have a black suit with a full face mask and a red vest with the R pin, and on the Titans he has the slightly more media friendly green and brighter red with the mask that doesn't completely conceal his face.

[owen_2006_294]

for his costume i think that the colors that they're using now for the OYL Teen Titans Robin costume would be perfect for it.

[King Ruler]

Alright, so now that we've made our changes, how's this sound now:

Richard Grayson is a 16 year old boy in Gotham City training under the wing of Batman. He has been doing so for a few years now (let's go with 2 or 3), and strives to be able to fight along side of Batman, but his mentor still refuses. To prove he can do the job, he makes a costume [slightly resembling the Nightwing costume] (it can just be a black leotard with gloves and boots and a black eye mask; I'd go with the Robin costume, but thinking realistically, would you wear the same bright colors you wore when you were publically known in Gotham as an acrobat as your superhero costume, with little altercations?). After making a huge mistake while out "proving himself", the Batman gets angry with Richard and decides to no longer train him. Heart broken, Richard leaves the batman's side and travels to New York to try and prove himself as a hero on his own.

(NOTE: All this can first take place in the "Extreme" or whatever Batman series and lead into the "Extreme" Titans)

(NOTE: From now on, everything I'm typing can take place in the Titans series)

Months later when Richard arrives in New York, he constructs a new costume (after learning things with Batman). He learns that he can use the bright colors of his acrobatic uniform to draw out the fire of gun wielding enemies if he is trying to hide in the shadows. He decides to use this to his advantage and constructs the uniform. He transfers to a new school and makes friends with the star quarterback Victor Stone, son of Silas Stone, head of STAR Labs.

While on a school bus heading towards another school for a football game, it gets into an accident with another truck, exploding. Surprisingly, Vic is the only human that survives the accident. And surprisingly, he's not even a human. His skin (prostetic skin) is half destroyed, revealing that underneath he is actually a robot. he runs to STAR Labs to search for his father and asks what the problem is. His father tells him that Vic was created as an android in STAR Labs. Originally, STAR Labs were constructing robot models to sell to the military, but they were declined once they could not meet the deadline (nor could they create robots meant for battle just yet). So with the military out of the way, as well as all that spare time on their hands, Silas had a robot made for himself and had it modeled after his deceased son, who would be have looked liked Vic at this age. Angry, confused and lost, Vic runs off.

(One of the original robots that was designed for war still sits in the Lab, functioning as an assistant. Its name is an acronym, spelling CLIFF, though I haven't come up with what CLIFF will stand for yet...)

Vic runs off and looks for Richard so they can talk, but when the two meet up, they discover that there are suits following them, and they believe it is STAR Lab employees, so thye try and evade them. Richard helps, and dons his green and red outfit to hide his identity. In the end, it's discovered that its not STAR Labs chasing them, but members of a terrorist organization named HIVE. They defeat their stalkers and return to the Lab, where Vic is comforted by his father and recharged back to full health. The two, after their little adventure, decide that possibly they should become a crimefighting duo, but Vic says that it isn't really his cup of tea (he later changes his mind when he arrives at school and notices that everyone is afraid of him and a little upset about the whole accident).

In later issues, the HIVE could unleash a creature called Plasmus upon the city and Robin and the newly dubbed Cyborg could be trying to stop this, but are failing, but then they are helped (unintentionally) by a kid named Garfield Logan, who seems normal, but it turns out he has fake skin and his real skin is in fact green. He morphs into an animal and weakens Plasmus, who runs away. Robin and Cyborg chase after the "Changeling" as he runs off, and they follow him to the Dayton Mansion, home of Steve Dayton the millionaire. It's later discovered that Dayton is the adopted father of Garfield, who was genetically altered while still a fetus inside a woman (who really didn't want the child after her husband left her. She decided to give herself up for Dr. Nile Caulder's experiment funded by Dayton. After it was done she had her baby and was on her way. The experiment was a success, granting man with the ability to transform into animals, but it left the baby with green skin. As the boy the grew up, Dayton taught him how to control his powers and nurtured him. Eventually, Gar's asked to join the new team of heroes and fight Plasmus.

From there we can introduce the villains and the other members, who I think should be Wonder Girl, Speedy, and Raven (Power Girl should come in much later, IMO, but it's up to you).

How does all this sound?

[The Question]

Well, I'd still go for the "boy band of super teams" thing for the Titans. They all get together and meat when the audition for the team.

[owen_2006_294]

Alright, so now that we've made our changes, how's this sound now:

Richard Grayson is a 16 year old boy in Gotham City training under the wing of Batman. He has been doing so for a few years now (let's go with 2 or 3), and strives to be able to fight along side of Batman, but his mentor still refuses. To prove he can do the job, he makes a costume [slightly resembling the Nightwing costume] (it can just be a black leotard with gloves and boots and a black eye mask; I'd go with the Robin costume, but thinking realistically, would you wear the same bright colors you wore when you were publically known in Gotham as an acrobat as your superhero costume, with little altercations?). After making a huge mistake while out "proving himself", the Batman gets angry with Richard and decides to no longer train him. Heart broken, Richard leaves the batman's side and travels to New York to try and prove himself as a hero on his own.

(NOTE: All this can first take place in the "Extreme" or whatever Batman series and lead into the "Extreme" Titans)

(NOTE: From now on, everything I'm typing can take place in the Titans series)

Months later when Richard arrives in New York, he constructs a new costume (after learning things with Batman). He learns that he can use the bright colors of his acrobatic uniform to draw out the fire of gun wielding enemies if he is trying to hide in the shadows. He decides to use this to his advantage and constructs the uniform. He transfers to a new school and makes friends with the star quarterback Victor Stone, son of Silas Stone, head of STAR Labs.

While on a school bus heading towards another school for a football game, it gets into an accident with another truck, exploding. Surprisingly, Vic is the only human that survives the accident. And surprisingly, he's not even a human. His skin (prostetic skin) is half destroyed, revealing that underneath he is actually a robot. he runs to STAR Labs to search for his father and asks what the problem is. His father tells him that Vic was created as an android in STAR Labs. Originally, STAR Labs were constructing robot models to sell to the military, but they were declined once they could not meet the deadline (nor could they create robots meant for battle just yet). So with the military out of the way, as well as all that spare time on their hands, Silas had a robot made for himself and had it modeled after his deceased son, who would be have looked liked Vic at this age. Angry, confused and lost, Vic runs off.

(One of the original robots that was designed for war still sits in the Lab, functioning as an assistant. Its name is an acronym, spelling CLIFF, though I haven't come up with what CLIFF will stand for yet...)

Vic runs off and looks for Richard so they can talk, but when the two meet up, they discover that there are suits following them, and they believe it is STAR Lab employees, so thye try and evade them. Richard helps, and dons his green and red outfit to hide his identity. In the end, it's discovered that its not STAR Labs chasing them, but members of a terrorist organization named HIVE. They defeat their stalkers and return to the Lab, where Vic is comforted by his father and recharged back to full health. The two, after their little adventure, decide that possibly they should become a crimefighting duo, but Vic says that it isn't really his cup of tea (he later changes his mind when he arrives at school and notices that everyone is afraid of him and a little upset about the whole accident).

In later issues, the HIVE could unleash a creature called Plasmus upon the city and Robin and the newly dubbed Cyborg could be trying to stop this, but are failing, but then they are helped (unintentionally) by a kid named Garfield Logan, who seems normal, but it turns out he has fake skin and his real skin is in fact green. He morphs into an animal and weakens Plasmus, who runs away. Robin and Cyborg chase after the "Changeling" as he runs off, and they follow him to the Dayton Mansion, home of Steve Dayton the millionaire. It's later discovered that Dayton is the adopted father of Garfield, who was genetically altered while still a fetus inside a woman (who really didn't want the child after her husband left her. She decided to give herself up for Dr. Nile Caulder's experiment funded by Dayton. After it was done she had her baby and was on her way. The experiment was a success, granting man with the ability to transform into animals, but it left the baby with green skin. As the boy the grew up, Dayton taught him how to control his powers and nurtured him. Eventually, Gar's asked to join the new team of heroes and fight Plasmus.

From there we can introduce the villains and the other members, who I think should be Wonder Girl, Speedy, and Raven (Power Girl should come in much later, IMO, but it's up to you).

How does all this sound?

sounds good. now who would like to write Extreme Batman, Extreme Superman, and Extreme Justice?

[Spectre722]

if u liked any of my ideas id be up for it

[King Ruler]

Oh yeah, Question, don't worry. There still gonna have the auditions thing, I just forgot to mention that.

[owen_2006_294]

okay. we're looking for a writer for Extreme Justice and Extreme Superman.

[Spectre722]

i had an idea for justice league bouncin around in my head for a while now. it goes along with my other dc rehashes. the origin of the league stems out of the wonderwoman idea i had. eventually the amazons invade the outside world and the heroes have to repel the invasion. the heroes would probably be superman, batman, robin, green lantern, the flash, green arrow, the atom, hawkman, black canary, zatanna, and elongated man. wonder woman would see the heroes as the gods come to earth and questions what is truly happening, but when she realizes the reality of it all, who the heroes are, and that the amazons have launched a completely unprovoked war she switches sides and assists the hereos in repelling the force.

there are many seperate events that happen during the battle that each lead to new storylines. batman's involvement in the battle, he'd allow robin to go but he himself wouldn't show up till late in the battle, partly to keep his anonimity and partly to work on strategy. this would lead into the next story about batman and his refusal to join the league.

we'd begin to see the opposite opinions/butting heads between hawkman and green arrow. we'd see cassandra, diana's youngest and more fun loving good natured sister, square off against robin and she begins to grow affectionate for the outside world and robin i particular and stays behind. this would eventually lead to a titans/young justice sort of group but it seems that idea is already snatched up.

later stories would see the arrival of j'onn j'onnz to earth, the exile of orin of atlantis and his alliance with the league to take back his kingdom, and a superman/batman teamup for the ages

[King Ruler]

Nice ideas, Spectre. if we all really work on this, we might have something here.

[The Question]

Well, my idea for the League was a bit more straight forward. The D.E.O. (Department of Extranormal Operations, a sub devision of the Department of the Interior) brings together known superhumans (Wonder Woman, Superman, Aquaman, Green Lantern, The Flash, and Martian Manhunter to start with) to deal with paranormal threats when they arise. On one such mission, they are led to Gotham, where they encounter Batman. He helps out with the stratigy and the like, and becomes an ally, but not an actual member. Warry of the League and the government, he begins to form his own team of vigilantes, both super powered and otherwise, which he calls the Outsiders. The Outsiders contains Black Lightning, Katana, Green Arrow, Blue Beetle, The Question, Metamorpho, Black Canary, and Geo Force. Eventually, the League feels that they are being used, and so Wonder Woman and Aquaman use their influence in the U.N. to get the League turned into a U.N. sponsored team instead of a U.S. sponsored team. Representatives of different governments join the team. The new members are Captain Atom, Nightshade, Rocket Red, Dr. Light, The Knight, The Red Fox twins, and others. However, a major plot line would be that the world super powers would still be wanting to use the League, which would lead to conflict and the Outsiders investigating.

[King Ruler]

Hmm, that's also nice. Maybe we can put you and Spectre's ideas together. It can start off the way you wanted, Question, but sans Wonder Woman, and she could appear during the whole Amazon invasion thing you plaanned, Spectre.

Again, just my two cents...

[The Question]

Really, I'm not too big on the Amazons invading. It makes no sense. Even if they are physically superior to normal folks naturally, it's one dinky little country against the U.S., China, Russia, Britain, and the rest of the world super powers. If they atacked, we could wipe them off the map in minutes.

[Spectre722]

cool idea question, believe it or not part of my plan was for batman to eventually form his own sort of counter group of mostly street vigilantes including huntress, black lightning, plastic man, and others.

and as for u not liking the whole amazons attacking thing, this isn't like a huge war that takes place. its a very sudden, very isolated invasion of one city, probably metropolis or gotham, that happens for only about 24 hours at the most and thats pushin it. for any foreign nation to rally any sort of assistance, by the time it reached the U.S., the battle would be over. plus its not like this invasion force is a pushover either. most of the amazons are highly trained warriors and almost they're entire population is attacking.

[owen_2006_294]

i like the idea.

[King Ruler]

Just to let you all know, I'm already beginning to work on the "Extreme" Titans story thing, but I just got one question: is "Extreme" finalized yet?

[owen_2006_294]

we still need a writer for Extreme Superman.

[owen_2006_294]

i'll write Extreme Superman.

[The Question]

and as for u not liking the whole amazons attacking thing, this isn't like a huge war that takes place. its a very sudden, very isolated invasion of one city, probably metropolis or gotham, that happens for only about 24 hours at the most and thats pushin it. for any foreign nation to rally any sort of assistance, by the time it reached the U.S., the battle would be over. plus its not like this invasion force is a pushover either. most of the amazons are highly trained warriors and almost they're entire population is attacking.


Then that's just bad stratigy. They atack us. We atack them. If their entire population is atacking, then no one would be left to defend Themyscera. We send out trrops to fight the Amazons in the U.S., and we bomb Themyscera, as do our allies. It only takes eight minutes to launch a missile from Europe to the Americas (you said Themyscera if in the Amazon rainforrest, right?). They can atack one of our cities. We can wipe them and their country off the face of the planet. It's bad stratigy on their part.

[The Question]

i'll write Extreme Superman.


I've got some ideas for that, if you're interested.

[Spectre722]

Then that's just bad stratigy. They atack us. We atack them. If their entire population is atacking, then no one would be left to defend Themyscera. We send out trrops to fight the Amazons in the U.S., and we bomb Themyscera, as do our allies. It only takes eight minutes to launch a missile from Europe to the Americas (you said Themyscera if in the Amazon rainforrest, right?). They can atack one of our cities. We can wipe them and their country off the face of the planet. It's bad stratigy on their part.

well ur rite there would be some amazons left in themyscira to defend the homeland. plus they don't know where exactly themyscira is. its completely uncharted, nobody has ever actually been there. even the most advanced gps satelites have never detected its existence. in fact the amazons were never known to actually exist either.

[The Question]

Still, our forces greatly outnu,ber theirs, as do the forces of our allies. And, we have nukes. Many many nukes. They would get flattened by us. I'm sorry, but unless Hypolita is completely idiotic, this idea makes no sense.

[Spectre722]

who exactly will they use those nukes on if their nation is completely uncarted? and how the hell would u get away with sending a nuke into the amazon rainforest? plus america's got almost all of their forces in the middle east. the most resistance the amazons would face besides the heroes and police is the national guard and some local reserves, and its not like theyd bomb they're own city unless they were absolutely desperate.

[The Question]

If an invading force took over a U.S. city and threatened the rest of the country? We'd be desperate. It's not a good plan. Any seasoned leader would realize that Themyscera would eventually loose this if they tried it.

[Spectre722]

they never gain a hold of the city. u know what forget it. im tryin to explain stuff to u. u just question (pun intended) every little thing is say.

[The Question]

That's because, and no offense intended, your idea doesn't make sense. The Amazons would realize that they would never gain a hold of the city. They would realize that they wouldn't stand a chance against the U.S. So why atempt it?

[King Ruler]

Would this work: How about Hippolyta, I don't know, knock the World Leaders out of power and kidnap them or something, giving her basically control of the world (or something like that). And the newly formed team of heroes called the League are called in to handle the problem.

I had this pretty good idea of the League being formed by president Lex Luthor, who uses this as an excuse to have some of Earth's Mightiest heroes under his control and prevent civilians from wondering what's stopping these powerful heroes from taking over and crap. but that's just an idea I tohught could be incorporated with the Leage thing.

[Spectre722]

there are some unrevealed secrets behind the invasion, and why exactly it was launched in the frist place

[The Question]

Would this work: How about Hippolyta, I don't know, knock the World Leaders out of power and kidnap them or something, giving her basically control of the world (or something like that). And the newly formed team of heroes called the League are called in to handle the problem.

I had this pretty good idea of the League being formed by president Lex Luthor, who uses this as an excuse to have some of Earth's Mightiest heroes under his control and prevent civilians from wondering what's stopping these powerful heroes from taking over and crap. but that's just an idea I tohught could be incorporated with the Leage thing.

Well, kidnaping world leaders wouldn't give her control of the world. It would just giver her hostages. And sice when are we having Lex be president?

there are some unrevealed secrets behind the invasion, and why exactly it was launched in the frist place

Well, you could have told me that in the first place. What's the reason?

[King Ruler]

I didn't say the whole Lex thing was finalized, it was just an idea, you know, just if we were to go that route. I thought it'd be pretty interesting, having him start out as a president, having so much power and being the enemy of superman. It'd be pretty interesting to see how civilians feel about this new alien savior who arrives to earth, pointing fingers at many wrong doings at their beloved president.

Again, just an idea.

[Spectre722]

i already mentioned donna, diana's younger sister, is treacherous and already sold out her older sister once. let's just say donna has some very high aspirations.

[The Question]

Meaning? Maybe I'd agree with you if I knew the rest of your idea.

[owen_2006_294]

okay okay. Lex isn't president. i liked the idea of Diana's younger sister.

[javon]

X-Men has been put on the back burner for a while.

I know, i was just kiddin'. I actually see why u would wanna try something different. Can't blame you!lol

[owen_2006_294]

thanks. plus i've had the idea of doing an ultimate version of the DC characters for a while.

[PhotoJones]

great work!

[Boba_Fett_123]

I know, i was just kiddin'. I actually see why u would wanna try something different. Can't blame you!lol

Well aren't you an ass****. Hope you've been enjoying your ban.

Oh, and on topic, I'll be tackling a few issues of Superman.

[owen_2006_294]

hello everyone, i just wanted to let u know that Extreme Superman is still open to whomever wants it. the reason i've dropped out of writing Extreme Superman is because I'm going back to X-Men: The Series.

[Cyclops3235]

ill do batman or titans. i have idea for bats backstory since ultimates has the characters as younge here it goes:

18 year old Bruce Wayne has had a tough life, his philantropist parents Dr. Thomas and martha wayne were murdered bya crimianal. SInce then he has wanted revenge. He has trained in every martial art he knows and has become an elite detective. He starts his quest to rid gothom of crime with a suit made by his now owened companey now...

so basicly his really ruthless and in hos first fight kills a man, that he finds out was innocent. He consoles wih alfred and throughout the stories he matures and becomes the batman we know today. first villian is Joker, a thug who witnesses bruces first kill and falls in chemicals ect.

main change-no name of batman till later, and suit starts with no cape or cowl, those come later

[The Question]

Ummm, I have an idea for Ultimate Batman, if anyone's interested.

[Spectre722]

well owen approved my idea for batman so i'll be writin it. i'll post some character descriptions soon

[The Question]

Oh. Fine. I guess no one wants to hear my idea then. :o

[owen_2006_294]

i'm still looking for a writer for Extreme Superman. and Spectre722, I wanted u to do a sample for Extreme Batman so I can see what it'd be like. i didnt approve it yet. The Question if u'd like to be the writer for Extreme Batman. please send me a sample of what ur version of Extreme Batman would be like.

[Spectre722]

o ok

[Cyclops3235]

so, you want me as a backup or something...lol

[The Question]

i'm still looking for a writer for Extreme Superman. and Spectre722, I wanted u to do a sample for Extreme Batman so I can see what it'd be like. i didnt approve it yet. The Question if u'd like to be the writer for Extreme Batman. please send me a sample of what ur version of Extreme Batman would be like.


Well, I'm not sure if I want to write it. But I'm more than willing to give you my ideas.

[King Ruler]

Sorry I haven't been around as much, I was away at my cousin's house for the week. But yeah, how's progress coming along with these stories?

[owen_2006_294]

things have been moving slowly. and i went back to writing X-Men: The Series.

[King Ruler]

Here's a sample of part of the first chapter of "Extreme Titans"....

I know you told me over and over again that the “superhero” life wasn’t the life I should choose, no matter how much I wanted revenge, or to prevent this from happening to anyone else…

He strapped a pair of goggles to his eyes and wrapped his hooded black cape around his neck. He raised the cloth around his neck to cover his mouth as he put the hood over his head.

I used to think the same, Bruce. There’s no way I’m cut out for this stuff, going around and saving lives the way you do…but then again…

He looked in the mirror at his outfit and remembered he forgot his belt. He quickly grabbed it and strapped it on.

…It doesn’t hurt to try…I mean, why let all that hard training go to waste, huh Bruce?

And with swift movement, he vanished through the quickly opened window, which seemed to have closed behind him all by itself. He stood on the sill of the window, staring down below. He took one quick leap into the air, performing multiple summersaults in the air, his cape flowing in the night breeze.

I feel like I’m back at the circus. The love of the crowd and my family, the only thing relieving me of gravity…But as much as I want to fly again as I used to, I have to remember…

He landed on the ground with one foot on the ground and the other in the air.

…The Laws of Physics are there for a reason, and last time I checked I’m not Superman…

[TwilightPro101]

What's the status on Extreme Flash?

[owen_2006_294]

there is no Extreme Flash as of yet. since all we're starting with is Extreme Justice, Extreme Batman, Extreme Superman, and Extreme Titans. but if ur interested in writing it pm me.

[King Ruler]

You know, when you think about it, we could just start with an Extreme Justice, introducing the characters through there, and THEN we could move on to getting Batman and Superman (and possibly others) their own series.

Just my two cents.

[owen_2006_294]

that would work as well.

[Spectre722]

i could go for that.

also one thing i forgot to mention in my idea for justice league. hal jordan would lead the league. he's a military man so it would make sense. anyway superman is also alot younger and less expereinced in my version.

[King Ruler]

Yeah, that sounds pretty good.

[King Ruler]

Is this still going on? Just wondering.

[owen_2006_294]

it's still going on if u guys want it to.

[Stealth_Prime]

Hi Owen and Members....

Is it okay for me to throw in? I'd like to contribute some ideas for the Extreme fanfic...and help out if I can.

In return, I'd appreciate some helpful critiques for my own stories.

Thanks.

[owen_2006_294]

u guys can throw in any ideas u want.

[Reader]

What's the status on this project? Are there any FINISHED 'issues/installments/whatevers' of Extreme DC. I didn't see any other threads. These will be separate threads when they're done, right?

Anywho...I was wondering if there is a place in Extreme DC for an 'Extreme Swamp Thing'? Technically he is part of the DC Universe (originally) and I'd like to be part of this project (in that capacity) if it's still 'happening'.

I figure no one else would be interested in the character, so I'll just do what I want with him and incorporate events / characters of the Extreme DC Universe. The origin and characters will be "updated" as characters were in Ultimate Marvel. (I think "updated" is the main focus of the Ultimate U. over changing things).

So, to whomever answers these questions: How's that for ya?

[owen_2006_294]

yes, there will be separate threads. it's still happening as long as u guys r interested. i need u guys to take control of the project since I'm busy getting ready to graduate from h.s. and developing a virtual series for OVN.

[Reader]

Well...I'll just write something and post it and yeah.

To Other Writers:

Should we come up with a short synopsis of what this 'Extreme DC' thing is? Just so people will recognize it as a 'brand'. I mean...it will be pretty obvious that it's just Ultimatized DC, but I still think if we could plop the same little paragraph in our thread before our stories then it would seem more like a shared 'universe'.

[Batman]

I have a few ideas for 'Extreme Batman'. I don't know if I'll be able to write it... but I may be able to post my ideas, if anyone's interested.

[Stealth_Prime]

I'm working on one story involving Batman and Flash....if there is anyone who is already involved in any of those two characters as the official writer...I'd like to work along side you guys.

[The Question]

Anyone mind if I just outline all of my ideas for it? You know, to get them out.

[owen_2006_294]

sure.

[The Question]

Okay:



Superman: We know the drill rocketed to Earth, last survivor of a doomed world, all that stuff. Here's what I'd change:

- Kryptonians look very inhuman. They are generally much lankier by nature, they have huge eyes, oddly shaped ears, no pigmentation in their skin or eyes whatsoever, four talon like fingers on each hand, flaps of skin underneath their arms that mark now vistigial wings, and they are completely hairless. Kal-El's ship, before opening, cosmetically altered him to apear human.

- On the night of the senior prom, Clark went with Lana Lang. Now, both Pete Ross and Clark had feelings for Lana, so this caused a rift between the boys. Now, after the prom, Clark and lana......well.....you know. Wink wink. After the session of sweet sweet love makin' down by the fire, Lana walked home, and Clark went up to the old town bridge to watch the stars. All the while, he followed Lana with his super hearing. Suddenly, he heard her scream. He rushed to her side. Later, authorities would report that a small tornado ripped through the corn feilds and dissipated as quickly as it formed. Clark found that Lana had been hit by a drunk driver (one of their classmates, no less). He was too late to save her, and she died in his arms. He and pete reconsiled, and shortly after graduation, he left Smallville and began traveling around the world. Of course, about four years later, he was contacted by Perry White, who was very impressed with some work he had done for newspapers in order to get some cash during his travels, and offered him a job.

- Superman's status in Metropolis is a bit different. He is quite mysterious. When there's trouble, he goes in, saves the day, and leaves as quickly as possible without even a word. Very few people get a good look at him, and even fewer get a good look at his face. He's not exactly an urban legend, like Batman. He's more comperable to the Loch Ness monster. People are facinated with him, tourists come to Metropolis to try and get a glimps of him, there are plenty of skeptics that doubt he actuall exists, and no one knows the **** what he is. Some say he's an angel, some say he's a demon, some say he's an alien, some say he's some ancient native american spirit, some say he's a mutated human, some say he's a hoax created by vigilante groups to put the fear of god into the criminal element, some say he's a hoax created by some smart pranksters, and some say he's just a figment of people's overactive imaginations. This, of course, makes it easyer for him to keep a secret identity without any kind of mask.

- Power wise, he's a bit scaled down. Think of his S:TAS or Man of Steel power levels, and you're about right. His punches exert a force equivalent to a tactical missile, and were he hit by a tactical missile, it would feel, well, like getting punched.

- No kryptonite.

Batman: He's still a vigilante, his parents were still killed by a mugger, and all that jazz. Changes:

- The reason the mugger that killed his parents didn't kill him was because he was shot dead by a rookie police officer before he could do so. The officer's name? Jim Gordon. Ever since, Jim's looked after Bruce. Because the mugger was killed by Gordon, Bruce has no vengance. Nothing to vent his greif and anger to. This leads to....

- His training. It starts when he's about fourteen. Because of his issues, he's getting into alot of fights. And losing badly. Eventually, Alfred and Leslie Thompkins (Bruce's doctor) decide that something must be done. Alfred calls up Ted Grant, a proffesional boxer and former military man who Alfred met when he used to work for the British government. Ted trains Bruce how to fight, making sure that he isn't likely to get the crap beat out of him again, and letting it be a way to vent his anger. Ted eventually starts teaching Bruce more in depth military hand to hand combat style moves, saying "Boxing, by itself, ain't gonna help you in a real fight. Learning how to think like a fighter, and learning what parts of the body break easiest, does." We also allude to Ted's mysterious past with the JSA.

Later, Bruce meets private detective and bount hunter, Henri Ducard, at a charity event. Bruce, intrigued by Ducard's craft and realizing that he may want to persue some sort of career in law enforcement, askss if Ducard could teach him some skills. So, over his summer vacation for the next two summers, Bruce and Alfred live in France while Bruce trains as Ducard's aprentice. Ducard teaches him tracking, forensic chemistry, and, most importantly of all, how to think like a detective. He takes Bruce on cases with him, has him read over his notes, and puts him through tests to train his analytical way of thinking. Eventually, Bruce becomes an acomplished detective, tracker, and tactitian under Ducard's tutilidge. One day, after completing a job, Bruce meets their client. A wealthy Arabic aristocrat named Ra's Al Ghul. Ra's, seeing potential in Bruce, offers to train Bruce in his school of Ninjitsu in Asia. Bruce, intrigued, accepts.

Over the next year or so, Bruce learns stealth, diguise, and how to use misdirection and mind games to fight his oponent. He also becomes a skilled swordsman and staff fighter very quickly, having already been an acomplished combatant in the first place. While at Ra's Al Ghul's school, he meets his daughter, Talia. The two become fast friends, and very quickly fall in love. However, that all came crashing to the ground when Bruce realized Ra's Al Ghul's true nature. Ra's was a wanted international terrorist. He had recently lead an atack on a small town near the acadamy with his "elite" class. However, they had been found out, and the town malitia was coming for them. While angry at Ra's, Bruce agreed to help defend the school. During the fight, Tallia was killed. In a fit of rage and greif, Bruce lashed out, killing several of the townspeople. After the battle, empty without Talia, angry at Ra's, and disgusted with himself for what he had done, he left. He spent the next year or so wandering Aisa and Europe. He eventually made his way back to Gotham, just in time for his 21st birthday.

- The suit. It's all black, and made primairily of a nylon/spider silk weave. It's padded with Kevlar, and especially padded on the chest and back. These areas are also reinforced with ceramic platting. The gloves and boots are leather, and are reinforced with ceramics in the toes and knuckles. The mask comes in two parts. One is the basic mask, which is like a regular ninja mask. The other is the cowl. It's kind of like an old leather football helmet that covers the eyes. It's black leather, is padded with kevlar, and is armored in some places with ceramics. The lenses are Lexcorp starlight night vision lenses that he purchased. The cape is made of the same material as the suit, and connects to his torso by a black metal clasp shaped like a bat that atatches to his chest. The belt is a standard military style utility belt. In it, he carries boomerang like shuriken of his own design he calls "batarangs," a colapsable bo staff, flashbangs, flexi cuffs, smoke pellets, a taser, and several sedative blow darts. he keeps the blow gun in his boot.

- He uses a black motorcycle designed to run as silently as possible and make him look like a giant pat like demon flying through the streets to someone seeing him pass buy. When not in use, it folds up to resemble a giant bat and hangs from fire escapes or the sides of buildings.

- The cave. Basically, it's just where he keeps all of his stuff and where he goes to think.

Wonder Woman:

- First off, Themyscera is not female exclusive. There are men there. Lost of men. It's just, they live in seperate villaiges from the women and are used only for breeding. They have their own ruler, who answers directly to the queen of the amazons. Due to advanced eugenics and use of preformance enhancing herbs in their every day diet, the Amazons are naturally much faster, stronger, and tougher than your average human. Diana, the queen's eldest daughter, was born rather sickly. Using the best their scientists/mystics (the line between science and magic is very blurred in my version of the DCU, and the practices of Themyscera's scientists reflect that) had to offer, Diana's physical abilities were enhanced through a combination of surgury, exposure to certain mutinagenic vapors found on the Island that are generally used for religious perpouses, and deep meditation. It worked far better than anyone expected, making Diana vastly superior to anyone on the island. Powe wise, she's comperable to Superman in terms of strength, speed, and durability. The procedures also gifted her with great inteligence, making her one of the foremost thinkers on the island. When Themyscera finally made contact with the outside world, they had to choose an ambasidor. By Themyscerian law, the Amazons shall be represented by the strongest, wisest, most compasionate, and most skilled of all their warriors. It was quite obvious that Diana fit the bill. Arming her with both weapons of war and symbold of peace, Diana became Themyscera's ambasidore, a title which, in the Tjemyscerian language, roughly translates to "Woman of Wonder."

- The outfit. Diana has three basic outfits. One is a white mini robe/toga thing that she wears when she's off hours and relaxing. The second is what she wears to diplomatic meetings. It's a set of red and blue grecko/roman ceremonial robes, adorned with bird and star patterns. The third is what she wears when fighting. It's her usual costume with some changes. The red part is leather, the gold parts are metal. The gold eagle on her chest goes up more, covering her chest for the most part, and atatches to the back with straps. She wears a dark blue leather armored skirt, which is adorned with a star pattern at the very bottom. Her bracelets are silver and cover her entire fore arms. Her boots are a little above knee high, are metalic, and are silver and red. They also give her the ability to fly. Her weapons of choice are her lasso, a sword, and a battle axe. The tiara is the same.


I'll post more later.

[Spectre722]

didn't you already post these?

[The Question]

Here? I don't think so.

[Spectre722]

dude those sound very familiar, i know u posted them somewhere

[The Question]

I posted them in some threads a while go, but not here.

[Spectre722]

ah...there ya go. i knew i heard it somewhere

[Batman]

I'm not sure of the 'sure.' was for both of us, But I might aswell share my ideas anyway... If anything, to get them out there...

Batman: 2000 (A title I was working with. Obviously, if these were used for this, they'd go under the title of Extreme Batman)

I think the most drastic changes from the normal continuity are in regards to Bruce Wayne, not Batman. For starters, Bruce wouldn't be the high class socialite that he is in the comics. He'd be more of the modern day celebrity... A male version of Paris Hilton. In the public's eye, at least.

At only 21 years old, He'd go to clubs, and be photographed drinking, dancing, and flirting with numerous young women near his age, some of them even being celebrities. Then, he'd be photographed leaving with one or two, and be spotted the next morning leaving an expensive hotel with messy hair and ruffled clothes. Not only that, but he'd have dumb quotes in magazines when asked about economic growth and the like, futhering his stereotype as a young, spoiled heir who wouldn't know a martini glass from a checking account.

The reality? That is all a guise. He wouldn't even really drink. Like the Bruce Wayne in normal continuity, He puts on a facade for the public, intentionally making everyone think he couldn't possibly be the man that he really is. At night, He's the Batman we all know. Smart, mysterious, intimidating, brooding, and fully equipped with many martial art forms and gadgets... A criminal's worst nightmare. He'd basically be a younger, less experienced version of the Batman of mainstream continuity... Possessing many of the same traits. (Even morally, considering this Batman also wouldn't kill or use a gun, like his DCU counterpart)

Another change would be that Bruce wouldn't be the CEO of an industrial company. He'd be the financial backer to one of Gotham City's leading hospitals, doing no actual work in the field of surgery or doctoring, but attending all the big meetings, paying the bills, and attending all the public events sponsored by the hospital. Lucius Fox would be the head surgeon, having started the hospital with Thomas Wayne nearly two decades ago, and would also be the manager, only answering to Bruce and his superiors.

And since the hospital would naturally not have ties to the miltary, Some of Batman's equipment would actually be alot of customised surgery tools (IE: Batarangs made from surgical knives aswell as scissors and evidence bags, anethesia), aswell as alot of stuff Bruce would discreetly buy out of the country and aqquire in his pre-Batman travels. (Bolas, Grappling launchers/hooks, Smoke pellets, Gas pellets, Flash Grenades, Hearing devices)

Another? Bruce Wayne's name. Unlike his counterpart in the DCU, Bruce's full name would be Thomas Bruce Wayne IV, with his father being the III. However, due to the confusion among the Wayne houseold at an early age, He would be called Bruce by everyone, so it wouldn't be a common mention. The tabloids would call him Bruce, the news... Even Alfred. The reason behind this is that it would sound more royal... With Bruce being the unoffical 'Prince Of Gotham' under his parent's legacy.

Oh, and speaking of Alfred... He would serve two jobs. One, as Bruce Wayne's butler, and another as his personal assistant, taking care of filing at the hospital and managing contracts. Having access to top of the line computers, Alfred would also be an invaluble source to Batman, who would need Alfred to look up any information when he couldn't get it himself. They'd communicate alot through the radio and microphone devices equppied in Batman's cowl.

Jim Gordon would be a Morgan Freeman in 'Se7en' type of cop, in appearance and personality. Though he'd be Commisioner from the get-go. The problem is, that would be more of a title than anything, since Loeb would have him on a tight leash, only being authorised to do things Loeb wants and not what's needed for Gotham. At first, he'd be heavily against Batman, seeing him as more of an addition to the problem than a help since Batman could possibly inspire more vigilance in Gotham. However, Batman would save his daughter and son during a hostage situation, prompting the inevitable alliance.

The origin would be more or less the same. He sees his parents gunned down infront of him. Wages a war on crime. Trains with the very best of the world to perfect his mind and body. Comes back to Gotham years later. Becomes Batman. However, there are changes. Bruce would actually have aspirations of being a lawyer beforehand, mostly due to his two best friends have the same aspirations. He'd even persue a degree before realising that he'd rather fight against injustice for the people of Gotham, and go off on his travels.

Those two best friends? Harvey Dent and Rachel Dawes. Harvey would start out as District Attorney, but would eventually be demoted to Assistant DA under Janice Porter, due to Mayor Gillian Loeb's affair with her. Rachel would start out as Assistant DA, but like Harvey, be demoted to a lessor role... Secretary. This would obviously create alot of hostility towards the corruption of Gotham City on personal levels with the two. Later on, they'd be allied with Batman, not aware he's actually their former best friend.

The Batmobile would be a modified street racer, equipped with armor and even a custom turbo nitrogen engine allowing Batman to evade police at higher than average speeds. The Batsuit would be a leather suit, laced with a layer of kevlar and a cape made of materials designed to look like leather, but in actuality be alot more flexible. (Yes, it would look like the designs in WIZARD Magazine. The illustrations along with Batman Begins and other mediums were the inspirations for this.)

I'd go into details about the villians such as The Joker, Sal Maroni, Penguin, Two-Face, Scarecrow, Mr. Freeze, Catwoman, Ra's, and others... But I'm running out of space for this post alone. Plus, I want to see what others reactions are to what I have so far before I go too far with it.

That said... Have I completely and utterly disgraced the Batman mythos? :o Or is there a chance any of this stuff is... good? :confused:

[The Question]

Not bad ideas all around. Here's more of mine:



The Flash:

- The origin. Basically, it involves Barry's childhood friend, Edward Thawne. Thawne, after college, became a world renound biochemist, while Barry became a forensic specialist for the Central City PD. Edward has, for the lst few years, been working on preformance enhancing technology. His current project is a bio engineered nano virus designed to rewrite human DNA, using traits found in animals are a base for the rewrite, plus some things he came up with on his own. His latest sample is designed to simulate the high speed movements and internal proccesses of several animals such as Cheetahs and Humming Birds. However, all of his test subjects' imune systems have killed the nano virus before it could have any effect. Eventually, Edward movd back to Central City, and being the friend that he is, Barry helped him move into his new lab. While helping move some equipment, there was an accident. Barry was badly electrocuted. When this happened, his hand smashed into a vail of the nano virus. Barry spent th next several weeks in the hopsital. Miraculously, Barry recovered very quickly, although his apitite went through the roof. Barry, soon, discovered that he had gained superhuman abilities.

- The powers. Barry's top speed would be at about mach ten. It would be explained that the reason he can move so fast for so long is that his body absorbs kinetic energy and converts it into fuel. That's also why he doesn't kill himself when he hits things while moving at high speeds.

- Secret identity. Barry would try the mysterious hero thing for about a week, but after a fight with some bank robber with a freeze gun calling himself "Captain Cold," Barry would make his powers public. He would, quickly, become a local celebrity. He'd apear on shows like Riply's believe it or not, he would apear in comercials for sports drinks and power bars, and would basically be the guy in town who everyone knows. He would still be a CSI< and most of his super heroing would happen through his role as a cop. Basically, he's not as much "that super hero" as "that cop with powers." After going public, he would normally wear his Flash suit with no mask, and usually his lab coat or blue CSI jacket and a pair of sunglasses over it.

Green Lantern:

- Oa would be the center of the United Planets, which was set up by the Gaurdians milenia ago. It's like the universe's U.N. The delegates from a million different worlds go there to meet. The Gaurdians and the corps serve as the primary enforcement of intergalactic law and serve as special forces against major intergalactic threats. Each sector has two Green Lanterns, who serve as partners. They respond to planetary and system wide threats, which, thankfully, don't tend to happen enough to warrant more than two GLs per sector.

- Ring's workings. The rings are capable of manipulating plasma, which is stored in vast amounts in their ring which uses a miniturized black hole to contain it all. The plasma can be fired as energy blasts, and be shaped into force feilds, allowing the wearer to withstand injury and fly. The plasma can also be shaped into anything the wearer can imagine, although it took on the form of a complex machine, it wouldn't neccessairily hve that machione's functions. Such as, if a Green Lantern made a time machine with his ring, it probably wouldn't allow them to travel through time unless they knew in intricate detail how to make a time machine. And even then it may not work, because the ring wouldn't generate the proper matwerials. The ring's range of effect is incredibly vast. Wearers have been able to create constructs the size of cities and generate enough force to destroy several cities. A group of ten Green Lanterns were even able to move a small planet a bit on one occasion. The rings can also alter matter to a small degree, enabling the wearer to sinthisize whatever they need to breath, allowing them to survive in the vacume of space. They cannot, however, make complex structures out of nothing that aren't constructs. The rings are also capable of activating warp gates. The warp gates are scattered all across the universe, and are apart of the sub space transport web created by the Spider Guild millenia ago. Using the subspace web allows a Green Lantern to travel great distances almost instentaniously,. thus allowing them to atend to matters on the other side of their sector or travel to Oa. Other functions of the ring include translation, scanning, and access to the Universal Information Cortex, which is alot like the internet and TV combined. Also, there's no yellow weakness.

- Hal Jordan. While on a test flight, Air Force pilot Hal Jordan is pulled into the desert by an unknown force. He finds himself in a large crater, and sees what look like two alien beings in it. One alive, and one quite obviously dead. The living one says that his name is Abin Sur. He is a member of the Green Lantern corps, and his partner is dead. Hal is the replacement. At first, Hal is hesitant, but soon accepts. He's taken to Oa to be trained, and soon becomes the protector of his sector. Of course, after crashing a jet and disapearing for two weeks, he's dishonorably discharged from the Air Force, and has to become a test pilot. Through his travels as a green Lantern, he meets two others, Sn Estroh, and his partner, Killowog. They, along with Abin, train him. Eventually, however, it is discovered that Sn is corrupt, and has actually conquered his homeworld and put it under a military dictatorship. He claims that the Corps' idea of peace and order is flawed, and that people need such things forced upon them. Killowog, Hal, and Abin try to stop Sn, leading to a battle just outside of Earth's orbit. Sn Estroh kills Abin, and Hal and Killowog manage to subdue him. Both now in need of new partners, two Earthmen are chosen. Jon Stewart, an architect and former marine, is chosen as Hal's partner, and Guy Gardner, an old high school friend of Hal's an a current Gotham City homicide detective, is chosen as Killowog's.

Aquaman:

- Atlantis is a city that was once populatied by a great and advanced civilization that sunk beneath the waves. All of the prigional inhabitants are now dead. The current ihabitands are mutated speicese of marine life. You see, do to centuries of polution in the ocean, the gene pool is severely ****ed up. That eventually caused a jump start in their evolution. Eventually, these mutated creatures find Atlantis, master it's technology, and make it their home. There are many different speicese in Atlantis, all with similar traits. There is a race of apmphibious, humanoid sea creatures with dark green and orange scales, two webbed fingers with a thumb, black eyes, and more than a few fins, who are the most common. There are also a highly advanced speicese of Octopus, Dolphins, Crustacians, and Sharks. Orin is one of the first speicese. When he was a baby, his older brother, Orm, usurped the throne of Atlantis and banished Orin. Orin survived in the wilderness in a Tarzan like manner, eventually coming to the surface and meatinga fisherman named Aurthur Curry, who looked after him. He eventually became a sort of myth amung sailors, who called him "the Aqua Man." While exploring the sea, he met Vulco, a dolphin like creature who was once his mother's grand advisor. Learning of his heratige, Orin led a resistance against his brother, defeating him. He reclaimed the throne of Atlantis shortly there after.

- Powers. Like all Atlantians, Orin posseses vast supehuman strength, sped, and durability, which allows him to survive at the ocean's depths. Because he was physically active and fighting for his survival from an early age, Orin is in amazing physical condition for an Atlantian. He's roughly comperable to Superman in terms of power. Orin is also a mutant, possesing highly impressive telepathic abilities.

- Outfit. Another speicese that populates Atlantis is a highly evolved and inteligent speicese of krill, who live in a symbiotic relationship with the Atlantians. Because of his telepathic abilities, Orin can comunicate and comand the Krill. His clothing is made up of them, and can morph to suit his needs. While swimming, they become a skin yight suit. While in battle, they become body armour. While on a mission to the U.S., they become diplomatic atire. When on land, the suit contains enough moisture in it to keep him from getting dehydrated as quickly as he normally would. He can also, on land, form wing like fins with the suit that enable him to fly. He often carries a trident that can discharge electrical blasts into combat.

Martian Manhunter:

- How his powers work. He has no natural physical form. His body is a hive mind of single celled organisms. His natural form is green goo. He can form into any shape he wants, and can even walk through walls. He is telepathic, for that is the natural way of comunication for his people. He is capable of flight, super strength, and "martian vision" because he uses his shapeshifting to simulate the organs neccessairy to have these abilities. When he does this, they're quite similar to Superman's internal workings.

- J'onn has many aliases across the globe. His most usefull one is John Jones, an agent for the D.E.O. and director Bones' right hand man.

- Also, the details of J'onn coming to Earth are a bit different. His race was wipped out by a war, not a pyrokinetic plague. You see, the Martians had split into two seperate tribes. The White Martians and the Green Martians. The two tribes were always rivals, and they eventually went to war. J'onn was a police officer (on Mars, the title was something along the lines of "Manhunter") before the war broke out, and became a soldier once it started. Eventually, the war led to the White Martians invading the capital. A group of White Martians broke into the power plant housing Mars' main source of power: The blue flame of Ma'aleca'andra. Protex, leader of the group and wartime rival of J'onn, did battle with J'onn. J'onn was defeated, and Protex and his squad of two hundred proceeded to shut down the blue flame. However, their information on how to use the technology was flawed, and they caused the blue flame to explode. They were able to cover themselves (and J'onn, by sheer luck on his part) in what remained of the flame's containment feild, while the rest of Mars was consumed in blue flame. J'onn and the squad of White Martians were the only survivors. J'onn was then able to escape in the confusion, and to punish Protex and his squad for their act of genocide, used what remained of a warp gate generator to trap them in the "Still Zone," a dead universe used as a prison by Martian authorities (and the same dead universe as Krypton's "Phantom Zone). Completely along, J'onn burried his dead, and finally, having nowhere else to go, preped a ship and headed for Earth. He crash landed in the Atlantic ocean, swam to a small boat, climbed on board, and assumed the guise of a human. He landed on Ellis Island in New York on February 12th, 1857.

[The Question]

Anyone like?

[owen_2006_294]

I'm not sure of the 'sure.' was for both of us, But I might aswell share my ideas anyway... If anything, to get them out there...

Batman: 2000 (A title I was working with. Obviously, if these were used for this, they'd go under the title of Extreme Batman)

I think the most drastic changes from the normal continuity are in regards to Bruce Wayne, not Batman. For starters, Bruce wouldn't be the high class socialite that he is in the comics. He'd be more of the modern day celebrity... A male version of Paris Hilton. In the public's eye, at least.

At only 21 years old, He'd go to clubs, and be photographed drinking, dancing, and flirting with numerous young women near his age, some of them even being celebrities. Then, he'd be photographed leaving with one or two, and be spotted the next morning leaving an expensive hotel with messy hair and ruffled clothes. Not only that, but he'd have dumb quotes in magazines when asked about economic growth and the like, futhering his stereotype as a young, spoiled heir who wouldn't know a martini glass from a checking account.

The reality? That is all a guise. He wouldn't even really drink. Like the Bruce Wayne in normal continuity, He puts on a facade for the public, intentionally making everyone think he couldn't possibly be the man that he really is. At night, He's the Batman we all know. Smart, mysterious, intimidating, brooding, and fully equipped with many martial art forms and gadgets... A criminal's worst nightmare. He'd basically be a younger, less experienced version of the Batman of mainstream continuity... Possessing many of the same traits. (Even morally, considering this Batman also wouldn't kill or use a gun, like his DCU counterpart)

Another change would be that Bruce wouldn't be the CEO of an industrial company. He'd be the financial backer to one of Gotham City's leading hospitals, doing no actual work in the field of surgery or doctoring, but attending all the big meetings, paying the bills, and attending all the public events sponsored by the hospital. Lucius Fox would be the head surgeon, having started the hospital with Thomas Wayne nearly two decades ago, and would also be the manager, only answering to Bruce and his superiors.

And since the hospital would naturally not have ties to the miltary, Some of Batman's equipment would actually be alot of customised surgery tools (IE: Batarangs made from surgical knives aswell as scissors and evidence bags, anethesia), aswell as alot of stuff Bruce would discreetly buy out of the country and aqquire in his pre-Batman travels. (Bolas, Grappling launchers/hooks, Smoke pellets, Gas pellets, Flash Grenades, Hearing devices)

Another? Bruce Wayne's name. Unlike his counterpart in the DCU, Bruce's full name would be Thomas Bruce Wayne IV, with his father being the III. However, due to the confusion among the Wayne houseold at an early age, He would be called Bruce by everyone, so it wouldn't be a common mention. The tabloids would call him Bruce, the news... Even Alfred. The reason behind this is that it would sound more royal... With Bruce being the unoffical 'Prince Of Gotham' under his parent's legacy.

Oh, and speaking of Alfred... He would serve two jobs. One, as Bruce Wayne's butler, and another as his personal assistant, taking care of filing at the hospital and managing contracts. Having access to top of the line computers, Alfred would also be an invaluble source to Batman, who would need Alfred to look up any information when he couldn't get it himself. They'd communicate alot through the radio and microphone devices equppied in Batman's cowl.

Jim Gordon would be a Morgan Freeman in 'Se7en' type of cop, in appearance and personality. Though he'd be Commisioner from the get-go. The problem is, that would be more of a title than anything, since Loeb would have him on a tight leash, only being authorised to do things Loeb wants and not what's needed for Gotham. At first, he'd be heavily against Batman, seeing him as more of an addition to the problem than a help since Batman could possibly inspire more vigilance in Gotham. However, Batman would save his daughter and son during a hostage situation, prompting the inevitable alliance.

The origin would be more or less the same. He sees his parents gunned down infront of him. Wages a war on crime. Trains with the very best of the world to perfect his mind and body. Comes back to Gotham years later. Becomes Batman. However, there are changes. Bruce would actually have aspirations of being a lawyer beforehand, mostly due to his two best friends have the same aspirations. He'd even persue a degree before realising that he'd rather fight against injustice for the people of Gotham, and go off on his travels.

Those two best friends? Harvey Dent and Rachel Dawes. Harvey would start out as District Attorney, but would eventually be demoted to Assistant DA under Janice Porter, due to Mayor Gillian Loeb's affair with her. Rachel would start out as Assistant DA, but like Harvey, be demoted to a lessor role... Secretary. This would obviously create alot of hostility towards the corruption of Gotham City on personal levels with the two. Later on, they'd be allied with Batman, not aware he's actually their former best friend.

The Batmobile would be a modified street racer, equipped with armor and even a custom turbo nitrogen engine allowing Batman to evade police at higher than average speeds. The Batsuit would be a leather suit, laced with a layer of kevlar and a cape made of materials designed to look like leather, but in actuality be alot more flexible. (Yes, it would look like the designs in WIZARD Magazine. The illustrations along with Batman Begins and other mediums were the inspirations for this.)

I'd go into details about the villians such as The Joker, Sal Maroni, Penguin, Two-Face, Scarecrow, Mr. Freeze, Catwoman, Ra's, and others... But I'm running out of space for this post alone. Plus, I want to see what others reactions are to what I have so far before I go too far with it.

That said... Have I completely and utterly disgraced the Batman mythos? :o Or is there a chance any of this stuff is... good? :confused:



awesome ideas.

[The Question]

More of my ideas:


Robin:


- The origin, at it's very basics, is more or less the same. His parents were circus acrobats who were killed by the mob when their circus wouldn't pay protection. The main differences is that they'd simply have been shot, mafia exicution style, and Dick would be older. More like fifteen than twelve. He goes into the orphaniges, but runs away. Wanting revenge, he dons his father's preformance costume plus a black ski mask, and goes to try and kill the mobster who he knows killed his parents. He breaks into the guy's house, gets the crap beaten out of him by the gaurds, and is taken into the city to be killed. Luckily, Batman shows up and saves him. Batman enquires to him as to what he was doing, and the story is told. At first, Batman tells Dick that he should quit now before he gets himself killed. But, soon, he realizes that Dick isn;t going to quit. So, he decided to make sure he at least doesn't get himself hurt. He has him train with Ted Grant in how to fight, gives him a place to stay, and supplies him with the gear he'll need. Soon, he hits the streets. His relationship with Bruce is more like older brother/younger brother than father and son.

- The costume is quite different. First off, no cape. It's a completely black suit with a full faced mask. He wears a dark red kevlar vest, and goggles with green lenses. He also wears a golden R pin on the vest. His father had given it to him when he was ten. Weapons wise, his arsenal is more or less the same as Bruce's, although the batarangs are dropped in favor of a sling that he uses to fire metal balls at targets.

The Joker:

- Basically, his origin is the same, but with no Batman. A failing comedian low on money, he gets a job working for the mob to support his pregnant wife. However, after a screw up, the mob kills his wife and unborn child, and dump him into a vat of toxic chemicals. When he comes out, he's horribly scarred from head to toe, but alive. Crawling to an old abandoned theater/opera house, he heals, stealing what food he needs to survive. Eventually, to hide his scars, he begins wearing head to toe clothing. Soon, he finds a mask to cover his face. It is a white porcelin harkequin mask. All of the tragidy and hardship in his life had forced him to become what he always wanted to be as a child. A clown. He completely snapps. Using his skills in chemistry, he hunts down and kills the mobsters who killed his family. However, it leaves him feeling completely empty. And so, inspired by his grief, he decides to do what all good comedians do. Open people's eyes to the truth. The truth that all life is is an utterly cruel joke. That the world is nothing but chaos and tragedy. But, he shows the world not through his words, but through his actions. By spreading as much chaos and tragedy as possible.

- His gang would be a bunch of street gang members, homeless people, and juvinile delinquents who he's manipulated into following him. In that respect, it's sort of like Charles Manson's "family." They would not be thugs in suits, but isntead resemble "The Jokerz" from Batman Beyond.

Two Face:

- Origin is mostly the same. Except, instead of the acid to the face, a bomb is planted in his house. In the blast, his wife is killed, and the left half of his face is horribly scarred. Now, he had always been a very hard working guy. Because of his strict upbringing, he learned to puch the Id (or desire) to the very back of his mind. This caused him to become incredibly stressed, and eventually resluted in occassional violent mood swings. After his scarring and the death of his wife, the Id came to the forefront. The Harvey Dent persona went away, and was replaced with a personality who could deal with it all. What remained was Two Face. Someone who wanted everything Harvey wanted, but didn't give a crap about the consiquences for trying to atain them. He began hunting down mobsters and criminals, especially ones who got off in court but were obviously guilty, and killed them. Shot two bullets into their heads with a 22. hand gun. Still wanting some sense of justice, and being somewhat influenced by Harvey's morals, Two Face flipped a coin. Heads, he spared his victims. Tails, they die. Let fate decide, he said.

- Harvey would also have been a childhood friend of Bruce, although a few years older than him.

Killer Croc: He would be a mob leg breaker with a power lifter's build and a skin condition. Plain and simple.

Mr. Freeze:

- His condition. Instead of being caused by an accident, he was instead born with an unusually high core body tempurature and no sweat glands. This, of course, means that he cannot survive out of cold tempuratures. He became a scientist to try and figure out ways to make his condition easyer to live with for him and other people like him.

- His wife contracts some illness, and he diverts all of his reaserch to helping her. However, that's not what his employers want. So they cut his funding. Enraged, he puts his wife into cryogenic stasis. he then dons a prototype suit of his design, and alters it slightly. It boosts his strength and durability considerably, and he can vent excess coolants from his suit outward from nozels in his gloves as offensive weapons. He procceeds to rob several buildings owned by his former employers.

- The end is where I'd really change things. Instead of his wife dying and him completely going off the deep end, Batman offers to help him fund his wife's recovery. Soon, Freis is getting funds in prison from Wayne Enterprises, and is well on his way to helping to cure his wife's condition. Bruce also, calling in some favors, gets Freis out of jail early. Freis, feeling indebted to Bruce, becomes Batman's tech guy, building high tech gagdets for him when he needs it and things like that.

Poison Ivy: A highly over zelious eco terrorist who's imunized herself against hundreds of natural poisons and diseases. This, of course, enables her to carry such poisons in her system and deliver a kiss of death. She fights Batman when she and her group begin killing several owners of sewage and chemical proccessing plants. Her main change is the costume, which would be alot more practical. More like a green jump suit.

The Riddler:

- He's basically the criminal who wants to prove he's better than everyone else. It starts out with him going on and winning a bunch of game shows. Eventually, bored with that, he deiced to commit some thefts and leaving clues to mess with the police. His latest crime is kidnapping a bunch of people in Gtham and giving the police 24 hours to find him before he exicutes all of them. Now, he doesn't actually want to kill anybody. If the police fail, he'd simply let the hostages live. But, he wants to prove his superiority. And, he wants a worthy challange. A proper game of wits. Comissionor Gordon and Batman provide that for him.

- His costume would be a bit different. No question marks all over the suit. Just green pants, a green jacket, black shoes, a plack shirt, a green bowler hat with a purple band, purple gloves, green lensed sun glasses, and a purple tie with a golden question mark tie pin.

Scarecrow: I'd keep him basically the same, except give him a long, tattered brown coat. He wants to get revenge against his former employers. He fails. When he gets out of the Asylum, he aims to get revenge on Batman and the cops. Since he can't find Batman, he'll settle for killing cops.

Penguin: Short, slightly overweight mob boss with a long nose. He's the kind of guy who likes to pretend he's high society British when he's really a punk kid from a pooer family in Gotham. Is actually a rather acomplished hand to hand combatant.

Black Mask: Mob boss. Psychotically obsessed with masks. Was a childhood friend of Bruce Wayne. When his parents died in a fire, he went crazy. When the company he inherited went under, he disapeared, crafted a new identity for himself as The Black Mask, and formed his gang.

The Mad Hatter: A very lonely man, Jervis Tetch found comfort in his favorite book, Alice in Wonderland. Eventually, he began to act and dress like the Mad hatter, to the point where he believed he was the Mad Hatter. He began kidnapping people, and forcing them to play out the parts of the different Alice in Wonderland characters, to populate his fantasy world.

Calendar Man: Suffering from severe multiple personality disorder, Julian Day's personality changes depending on what day it is. On monday, he thinks he's the god of the moon. On tuesday, he's a hardened military general. On Wednesday, he's a wise old man with one eye. On Thursday, he's a hard drinking warrior. On Friday, he's a wedding planner. On Saturday, he's severely paranoid and will kill and eat anyone he doesn't trust. On Sunday, he's quite cheery and nice. And, there's the holodays. On Halloween, he kills people and sacrifices them to the pagan god Samhain. On Christmas, he delivers toys to poor children. On Valentines day, he plays the part of the matchmaker. On Arbor day, he's un unneccessairily violent ecological conservist. He's basically severely ****ed up in the head, is what I'm saying here.

Ten Eyed Man: A former special forces marine who now serves as the leader of a gang of bank robbers, coordinating their heists with military precesion. After being blinded after getting a flashbang between the eyes, he went througha surgical procedure to regain his sight. He now sees through tiny video recorders on his fingertips that link to his optic nerves.

Catwoman: A theif who likes to play Robin Hood from time to time. The main change with her costume is that she has no mask, but instead a pair of goggles and a cat ear headband.

KGBeast: The former soviet union's atempt at creating a super soldier. He's got enhanced strength, speed, and durability, plus a machine gun that atataches to his hand. Now, he sevres as a leg breaker for the Russian mob in Gotham.

Bane: Same story. He's in Gotham as muscle for hire, and has fought Batman several times. He's currentl working fro The Black Mask against his father, The King Snake. Speaking of which.....

King Snake: A blind mob boss from Britain. He's a highly skilled hand to hand combatant. Bane's father.

[owen_2006_294]

i think Scarecrow should also have a scythe. i think that is a strong image of the 'extreme' version of Scarecrow is have him the same with a long tattered trenchcoat with a scythe.

[The Question]

Yeah, I guess a cythe would be cool.

[The Question]

What do you think of the rest of my ideas?

[owen_2006_294]

they are good.

[owen_2006_294]

i think i might start writing some of Extreme Batman. i like the Master Bruce's ideas for it the best. because it's something entirely new and fresh than what we've seen so far from All Star Batman.

[The Question]

You're not going to use any of my ideas?

[Spectre722]

you seem very needy

[The Question]

It's a sickness. :(

[javon]

u guys are anyone gonna start on the "x-men:the series" any more?

[owen_2006_294]

X-Men: The Series is in development over at OVN (Online Virtual Network). it will be premiering this fall as part of their fall line-up. I might come up with a amalgamation of ur ideas Question and Master Bruce's.

[The Question]

Cool. I've alos got some ideas for how the Justice :eague gets together, if you're interested.

[owen_2006_294]

lets take one step at a time.

[The Question]

Fair point.

[Batman]

This is the design I had made for the Ultimate DC RPG, if you're interested... It's sort of an algamation of Q's idea for the suit, and the WIZARD design...

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2555/ultbatmanconcept2sq.png

[The Question]

I've seen. It's good, although, like I've said, I'd lose the yellow bit and make the mask full faced.



Also, I think something an Ultimate DC line should strive to do is have the villains' arrivals make sense. Have it, for the most part, be a product of escalation. All of The Flash's rogues show up as a means of dealing with a super fast cop. Most of Superman's rogues either show up because of Superman or Luthor. All of GL's foes are ones he meets while being a space cop. Stuff like that.

[The Question]

Guys. I just had a great idea for Ultimate Martian Manhunter:



First, this starts with my JSA idea. Basically, during WWII, the government brought together a bunch of superhumans and vigilantes to help with the war effort. They ended up fighting alot of the super soldiers and super natural crap that the nazis were into. To keep everything top secret, the government had DC comics publish comic books based on the JSA members so any sightings of them would be laughed off. Now, my idea for Martian Manhunter has him coming to Earth in the 1850s. So, he would have been around for WWII. My idea is, why not have him be a JSA member during WWII. The identity he was using while in the JSA?



Ell O'Brian, code named: Plastic Man.

[owen_2006_294]

This is the design I had made for the Ultimate DC RPG, if you're interested... It's sort of an algamation of Q's idea for the suit, and the WIZARD design...

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2555/ultbatmanconcept2sq.png

it's perfect. although the yellow symbol might have to go. (maybe substitute the yellow with a navy blue)

[owen_2006_294]

I've seen. It's good, although, like I've said, I'd lose the yellow bit and make the mask full faced.

y does the mask have to be full faced? i dont think it does. it's perfectly fine the way it is. it looks like the more traditional cowl look that we've come to love.

[owen_2006_294]

EXTREME BATMAN

Bruce Wayne is the Prince of Gotham. He lives it up as much as possible during the day. During the night, he patrols the streets furthering the legend of the Batman.

He witnessed his parents being gunned down at the age of 8. He was saved by a rookie cop, Jim Gordon.

His training began at the age of 14, because he getting into much trouble as possible (fights, etc.). Alfred Pennyworth (Bruce's guardian) and Leslie Thompkins (Bruce's doctor) agree to bring someone in. Enter, Ted Grant ( a professional boxer and ex-military). Grant teaches Bruce hand-to-hand combat techniques, etc.

At the age of 18, Bruce came across Henri Ducard (a french private detective/bounty hunter) at a local charity auction. Bruce, intrigued by Ducard's craft and realizing that he may want to pursue some sort of career in law enforcement, asks if Ducard could teach him some skills. So, over his summer vacation for the next two summers, Bruce and Alfred live in France while Bruce trains as Ducard's apprentice.

Ducard teaches him tracking, forensic chemistry, and, most importantly of all, how to think like a detective. He takes Bruce on cases with him, has him read over his notes, and puts him through tests to train his analytical way of thinking. Eventually, Bruce becomes an accomplished detective, tracker, and tactitian under Ducard's tutilidge. One day, after completing a job, Bruce meets their client. A wealthy arabic aristocrat named Ra's Al Ghul. Ra's, seeing potential in Bruce, offers to train Bruce in his school of Ninjitsu in Asia. Bruce, intrigued, accepts.

Over the next year or so, Bruce learns stealth, disguise, and how to use misdirection and mind games to fight his opponents. He also becomes a skilled swordsman and staff fighter very quickly. While at Ra's Al Ghul's school, he meets his daughter, Talia.

The two become fast friends, and very quickly fall in love. However, it all comes crashing to the ground when Bruce realizes Ra's Al Ghul's true nature. Ra's is a wanted international terrorist. He leads an attack on a small town near the acadamy with his "elite" class. However, they had been found out, and the town malitia was coming for them. While angry at Ra's, Bruce agrees to help defend the school. During the fight, Tallia is killed. In a fit of rage and greif, Bruce lashes out, killing several of the townspeople. After the battle, empty without Talia, angry at Ra's, and disgusted with himself for what he had done, he leaves.

He spent the next year or so wandering Aisa and Europe. He eventually made his way back to Gotham, just in time for his 21st birthday.

Returning to Gotham, Bruce accepts his position as financial backer to Gotham General (the hospital his family has started). At only 21 years old, Bruce attends clubs, and is photographed drinking, dancing, and flirting with numerous young women near his age, some of them even being celebrities. Then, he is photographed leaving with one or two, and be spotted the next morning leaving an expensive hotel with messy hair and ruffled clothes. Not only that, but he'd have dumb quotes in magazines when asked about economic growth and the like, furthering his stereotype as a young, spoiled heir who wouldn't know a martini glass from a checking account.

The reality of it all is that it's a ruse, a facade. It's there to protect his 'work'.

Some of Batman's equipment would actually be alot of customised surgery tools (IE: Batarangs made from surgical knives aswell as scissors and evidence bags, anethesia), as well as alot of stuff Bruce would discreetly buy out of the country and acquire in his pre-Batman travels. (Bolas, Grappling launchers/hooks, Smoke pellets, Gas pellets, Flash Grenades, Hearing devices)

Bruce receives some of these items from Gotham General. All thanks to the manager Lucius Fox (an old family friend of the Waynes).

Now Bruce begins to make the criminals the corrupt fear the knight.

[The Question]

y does the mask have to be full faced? i dont think it does. it's perfectly fine the way it is. it looks like the more traditional cowl look that we've come to love.


Full faced is more practical. With the cowl as is, everyone who sees Batman knows he's a clean shaven white guy. With the full faced mask, he could be anyone.


EXTREME BATMAN



Bruce Wayne is the Prince of Gotham. He lives it up as much as possible during the day. During the night, he patrols the streets furthering the legend of the Batman.



He witnessed his parents being gunned down at the age of 8. He was saved by a rookie cop, Jim Gordon.



His training began at the age of 14, because he getting into much trouble as possible (fights, etc.). Alfred Pennyworth (Bruce's guardian) and Leslie Thompkins (Bruce's doctor) agree to bring someone in. Enter, Ted Grant ( a professional boxer and ex-military). Grant teaches Bruce hand-to-hand combat techniques, etc.



At the age of 18, Bruce came across Henri Ducard (a french private detective/bounty hunter) at a local charity auction. Bruce, intrigued by Ducard's craft and realizing that he may want to pursue some sort of career in law enforcement, asks if Ducard could teach him some skills. So, over his summer vacation for the next two summers, Bruce and Alfred live in France while Bruce trains as Ducard's apprentice.



Ducard teaches him tracking, forensic chemistry, and, most importantly of all, how to think like a detective. He takes Bruce on cases with him, has him read over his notes, and puts him through tests to train his analytical way of thinking. Eventually, Bruce becomes an accomplished detective, tracker, and tactitian under Ducard's tutilidge. One day, after completing a job, Bruce meets their client. A wealthy arabic aristocrat named Ra's Al Ghul. Ra's, seeing potential in Bruce, offers to train Bruce in his school of Ninjitsu in Asia. Bruce, intrigued, accepts.



Over the next year or so, Bruce learns stealth, disguise, and how to use misdirection and mind games to fight his opponents. He also becomes a skilled swordsman and staff fighter very quickly. While at Ra's Al Ghul's school, he meets his daughter, Talia.



The two become fast friends, and very quickly fall in love. However, it all comes crashing to the ground when Bruce realizes Ra's Al Ghul's true nature. Ra's is a wanted international terrorist. He leads an attack on a small town near the acadamy with his "elite" class. However, they had been found out, and the town malitia was coming for them. While angry at Ra's, Bruce agrees to help defend the school. During the fight, Tallia is killed. In a fit of rage and greif, Bruce lashes out, killing several of the townspeople. After the battle, empty without Talia, angry at Ra's, and disgusted with himself for what he had done, he leaves.



He spent the next year or so wandering Aisa and Europe. He eventually made his way back to Gotham, just in time for his 21st birthday.



Returning to Gotham, Bruce accepts his position as financial backer to Gotham General (the hospital his family has started). At only 21 years old, Bruce attends clubs, and is photographed drinking, dancing, and flirting with numerous young women near his age, some of them even being celebrities. Then, he is photographed leaving with one or two, and be spotted the next morning leaving an expensive hotel with messy hair and ruffled clothes. Not only that, but he'd have dumb quotes in magazines when asked about economic growth and the like, furthering his stereotype as a young, spoiled heir who wouldn't know a martini glass from a checking account.



The reality of it all is that it's a ruse, a facade. It's there to protect his 'work'.



Some of Batman's equipment would actually be alot of customised surgery tools (IE: Batarangs made from surgical knives aswell as scissors and evidence bags, anethesia), as well as alot of stuff Bruce would discreetly buy out of the country and acquire in his pre-Batman travels. (Bolas, Grappling launchers/hooks, Smoke pellets, Gas pellets, Flash Grenades, Hearing devices)



Bruce receives some of these items from Gotham General. All thanks to the manager Lucius Fox (an old family friend of the Waynes).



Now Bruce begins to make the criminals the corrupt fear the knight.


Nice. :up:

[owen_2006_294]

that's true. thanks.

[The Question]

You're welcome. Also, are we gonna go with Superman having a quasi urban myth status comperable to the Loch Ness Monster?

[owen_2006_294]

i dont know, yet. i figured that Batman would be the one that would have a urban legend status. (since Superman's the american boy scout)

[The Question]

True. But, Superman wouldn't be an urban legend exactly. Like I said, his status would be more comperable to the Loch Ness Monster. Alot of people believe he exists, and there's even some photographic evidence to support the idea he exists, but there's still alot of debate regarding the issue. My maain reasons for this are two:


1) One, keeping his profile as low as possible and not posing for photos or interveiws or anything like that makes it much more likely for his secret identity not to be discovered if he isn't wearing a mask.

2) Clark just doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd enjoy the spotlight. It would make sense to me if he avoided it as much as possible.

[owen_2006_294]

ok.

[Spectre722]

2) Clark just doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd enjoy the spotlight. It would make sense to me if he avoided it as much as possible.

i've never seen it as clark enjoying the spotlight. it's always seemed to me that he does it because his presence is comforting to others. he's there to protect them and people just feel safer when they see him.

[The Question]

I suppose. Still, it's not like he'd expect that to happen right off the bat.

[owen_2006_294]

it wouldn't happen right off the bat. the government would see him as a threat at first.

[The Question]

Well, the ay I envisioned it, the government would investigate the "Superman phenomina" as the government would. Once they figure out that there's something to it, they also figure out that Clark Kent is Superman. They use this information to force him to work for them. That's where the Justice League comes in.

[owen_2006_294]

so, Superman would have no choice but to work for the Government?

[The Question]

Kind of. The Government would know who he is and threaten to expose the facts of his existance and who he is to the world. Of course, they'd first veil it behind a "your country needs you" speach.

[owen_2006_294]

nice. so I'll let u tackle Extreme Superman while I concentrate on Extreme Batman?

[The Question]

Maybe. I'm kind of working on a fanfic right now. But if I find the time, I could take a crack as Superman. Does it have to be in script form, or could it be in regular writing form?

[owen_2006_294]

doesn't matter. either way's fine. i'm writing Extreme Batman in regular form.

[The Question]

Cool. If I find the time, I'll take a crack at it.

[owen_2006_294]

okay.

[King Ruler]

I'm almost done with the first chapter of the Titans, guys. I'll give you an update soon.

[The Question]

Shouldn't we wait a while for the Titans? I mean, it seems like that'd be something to happen a ways down the road. And, are we doing it the way Wizard described, as in Luthor backing them and Robin not having ties to Batman?

[owen_2006_294]

Robin will have no ties at the moment. The Titans will possibly be backed by Luthor. Let's just give him a chance.

[The Question]

Well, I really don't like the idea of Robin not having ties to Batman early on. But more importantly, if I am going to write Superman, my ideas for Lex's characterization wouldn't really work with him creating the Titans. It would make more sense, to me, if Maxwell Lord was behind it. Seems more like something Max would do.

[owen_2006_294]

well let's see if he has Lex in it first. if he does then we could change it to Maxwell.

[The Question]

Fair point. Now, I should probably get to work on my other fanfic project.

[King Ruler]

Actually, in mine Robin DOES have ties to Batman. Whoever is doing Extreme Batman, well I was picturing is as being a sort of prequel to my Extreme Titans, along with Extreme Superman. The Extreme League or whatever could conincide with the Titans one I'm writing.

[The Question]

Is Luthor in charge of your Titans, though?

[King Ruler]

No.

[The Question]

Okay. All I needed to know. Now, back to the writing! I've still got that Deadpool thing to work along along with Supes.

[owen_2006_294]

i've been working on Extreme Batman. so far, I have 5-6 pages written.

[King Ruler]

Extreme Titans should be up by tomorrow or tonight with about 11 pages or so.

[The Question]

I still need to get to work on Superman. I've got some other projects I'm also working on, and the writer's block is kind of seeping over.

[owen_2006_294]

here's a sample of Extreme Batman.

EXTREME BATMAN
ISSUE # 1

By owen_2006_294



What do you want to be when you grow up? That’s the question that everyone asks you when you’re a kid. Of course, back then, you have no idea. You don’t know what life has in store for you. All the trials that await. You don’t know what your destiny is. You just take everything for granted. I know I did.

Bruce Wayne, a man in his early twenties, sits in Wayne Manor dressed as if he was going to a party. He sits in a leather chair staring at the window, drinking. He stares at the window as if waiting for something.

1985.

An eight-year old Bruce Wayne is walking down the streets with his parents, Thomas and Martha. They had just visited with a group of friends. Bruce is dressed in a pair of dress pants, a dress shirt, and a nice jacket. Thomas is dressed in a tuxedo. And Martha is dressed in a dark red dress with a pearl necklace.

“So did you have fun, Bruce?”, Martha asks.

“No.”, the young Bruce quickly states.

“Why not?”, his father asks.

“Because there was nothing to do.”, the young Bruce says as he stops walking to look at his parents, “Or at least nothing fun to do.”.

“You didn’t like anything about the party?”, Thomas asks, “Are you positive?”.

“Yes.”, Bruce shakes his head stubbornly, “I didn’t know anyone there.”.

“Your just like your father.”, his mother says as she looks at Thomas, “Always stubborn about meeting new people.”.

Thomas looks at his son and smiles at him. Bruce returns the smile. Thomas’s smile fades as he steps in front of his child and wife.

A man, in his mid-twenties, begins to walk by Thomas. He’s dressed in ragged clothes. He quickly stops and pulls a gun on Thomas.

“Give me your wallet and jewelry now!”, the mugger shouts. His hand is shaking rather badly.

“Okay.”, Thomas says as he reaches for his wallet and hands it over. He hands over his watch next. “There you go.”.

“Jewelry.”, the mugger casually says as he points the gun at Martha’s pearl necklace, “Hand it over.”.

BLAM! BLAM!

The sound pierced the dead night. It sliced through the unusual silence as if it were paper.

Thomas’s body fell to the sidewalk motionless.

Martha screamed at the top of her lungs. The mugger grabbed her pearl necklace, which she reacted by retaliating.

BLAM! BLAM!

Young Bruce watched as his mother’s body fell besides his father’s. He fell to their sides crying.

He looked up into the barrel of the gun, directly at his parents’ murderer.

This is it., Bruce thought, This is the end. Soon I’ll be with my parents.

A police siren wailed as a cop car pulled up to the sidewalk. A man, in his mid-twenties, climbs out and instinctively pulls his gun on the mugger.

“Freeze!”, the cop yells.

The mugger pulls the trigger of the gun and —

CLICK! CLICK!

BLAM! BLAM!

The mugger’s body fell to the ground. The police officer, James Gordon, rushes over to Bruce. Gordon is dressed in a pair of black pants, with a white shirt and black tie. This ensemble is completed with a black jacket. He’s wearing a pair of glasses and is sporting a mustache.

“Here. Let’s get you out of here.”, Gordon says helping Bruce to his feet.

“No!”, Bruce pulls away, “They are okay! I can’t leave them!”.

Gordon embraces Bruce as he lets it all out.

“It’s okay.”, Gordon calmly says, “It’s okay.”.

[King Ruler]

The first chapter of "Extreme Titans" is here!

[owen_2006_294]

so what do u guys think of the sample of Extreme Batman?

[The Question]

Not bad. Seemed a little rushed in the pacing, though.

[Reader]

Extreme DC takes place in modern day, right? That's how I'm writing my bit.

[Batman]

If it's to be like Marvel's Ultimate titles, it should take place in modern times.

Not bad, owen. I like your amalgamation of the ideas presented to you, aswell.

[owen_2006_294]

it will take place in present day. thanks.

[King Ruler]

Has anyone read my "Extreme Titans" yet? I wanna know how it is...

[The Question]

Seems okay.

[owen_2006_294]

read a little bit of it. it's okay.

[Stealth_Prime]

The first chapter of "Extreme Titans" is here!


Hey King, where is the Extreme Titans posted?

[Stealth_Prime]

Oh guys....

I was just wondering does it necessarily have to be strictly all DC? Or can we create additional characters? Or at the very least DC Extreme characters but different costumed identities?

[owen_2006_294]

we could create additional characters, i guess. we could also have EDC (Extreme DC) characters but different costumed identities. we'll see what other ppl think.

[Stealth_Prime]

Okay, I'll be posting up my synopsis later tonight....but do we have some kind of copyright thing going on or what? how does this work?

[owen_2006_294]

hey, here's a couple of pictures of what I think Extreme Batman would look like. tell me which one u guys like better.

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/3212/ultimatebatman9om.th.jpg (http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ultimatebatman9om.jpg)


http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/9325/batmanandrobinrevampedbyvirtua.th.jpg (http://img473.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmanandrobinrevampedbyvirtua.jpg)

[Stealth_Prime]

hey, here's a couple of pictures of what I think Extreme Batman would look like. tell me which one u guys like better.

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/3212/ultimatebatman9om.th.jpg (http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ultimatebatman9om.jpg)


http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/9325/batmanandrobinrevampedbyvirtua.th.jpg (http://img473.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmanandrobinrevampedbyvirtua.jpg)


cool...but maybe you can illustrate the ears a little bit more. Otherwise it might resemble daredevil. (just a little) (ears wise)
Other then that...cool....what's the color scheme?

[owen_2006_294]

i found those pics on-line. so u think that the 2nd pic of Batman's cowl would be better than the first pic?

[Stealth_Prime]

i found those pics on-line. so u think that the 2nd pic of Batman's cowl would be better than the first pic?

Just going by the pics alone...(mainly the 2nd one) I would imagine that's armor on the Batman is even more heavier then just regular body armor...
Is that correct?

[FunBobPants]

i could help. id like to do the Superman title.


EDIT: is there anything left to write? if there isnt maybe i could have my own series? :confused:

[owen_2006_294]

Just going by the pics alone...(mainly the 2nd one) I would imagine that's armor on the Batman is even more heavier then just regular body armor...
Is that correct?

yeah, that's correct. but I think the cowl in the 2nd pic would work well with the regular armor.

[owen_2006_294]

okay, ppl. Batman is up for anyone who wants to give it a shot. i'm going to try and give Extreme Superman a try if no one has it already.

[DeGenerate10]

okay, ppl. Batman is up for anyone who wants to give it a shot. i'm going to try and give Extreme Superman a try if no one has it already.

I'd be interested in doing Batman

[owen_2006_294]

give it a shot.

[DeGenerate10]

Is there anything I should know about what's going on in Extreme DC world?

[owen_2006_294]

not really. since there's not anything else going on at the moment. tryin to get this thing up off the ground.

[DeGenerate10]

one final question before I get started is this like the beginning of Batman? or is the story already in motion

[owen_2006_294]

it's the beginning. in the earlier pages of this thread, u'll find some plot lines that we were usin to start Extreme batman.

[owen_2006_294]

hello again ppl. i'm droppin out of Extreme DC all together. for those that r still writing, i wish u good luck. i'm gonna focus on either a Batman Beyond fan fic (picks up where the cartoon left off) or a Timmverse fan fic (whether it be Batman, Superman, or Justice League). if ur interested after readin all that, pm me and i'll get back to u as soon as i can.

[Stealth_Prime]

Hey guys, can I introduce a new book that I want to implement to the Extreme DC universe?

[owen_2006_294]

it's up to u if u want to introduce a new book. but i'm working on a continuation of the Bruce Timm and co. animated universe. the thing I'm writing is Nightwing: The Series. it'll pick up after TNBA ended. expect to see a teaser of the pilot for this virtual series soon.

[Stealth_Prime]

Cool....my favorite characters are Nightwing, Robin and Flash...so, I'm looking forward to reading your take on Nightwing. Like I said before....I'm a fan.