The Official Blue Beetle Thread

[drastic_quench]

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Blue Beetle #1 comes out today.

[ToddIsDead]

I'm hoping to get to the Shop this weekend. I'm defenitly picking it up.

[slipalong]

I want to add this to my pull list

[MaskedManJRK]

Read it at my comic store today. It's pretty much the usual "meet the character and his supporting cast" stuff while BB and Guy Gardner fight. The only thing that confused me was the timeline of the story.

First, they have a page of something hitting Jaime from space (which looks like the scarab) and he becomes the Blue Beetle.

And yet, Jaimie sees the scarab for the first time under some rubble while walking from school.

...Tell me someone else sees what I mean. That's just f**king horrorable writing if Keith didn't catch that.

But hey, maybe the second issue explains that, so I'll keep quiet until then.

[vog]

First, they have a page of something hitting Jaime from space (which looks like the scarab) and he becomes the Blue Beetle.

And yet, Jaimie sees the scarab for the first time under some rubble while walking from school.

...Tell me someone else sees what I mean. That's just f**king horrorable writing if Keith didn't catch that.

But hey, maybe the second issue explains that, so I'll keep quiet until then.

i don't think the scarab hit him from space....i assumed that was him coming back from space with guy gardner on his tail after they had faced brother eye. the scene with him digging it out of the dirt is when he first finds the scarab

[SouLeSS]

Read it at my comic store today. It's pretty much the usual "meet the character and his supporting cast" stuff while BB and Guy Gardner fight. The only thing that confused me was the timeline of the story.

First, they have a page of something hitting Jaime from space (which looks like the scarab) and he becomes the Blue Beetle.

And yet, Jaimie sees the scarab for the first time under some rubble while walking from school.

...Tell me someone else sees what I mean. That's just f**king horrorable writing if Keith didn't catch that.

But hey, maybe the second issue explains that, so I'll keep quiet until then.

Flashbacks.

[MaskedManJRK]

i don't think the scarab hit him from space....i assumed that was him coming back from space with guy gardner on his tail after they had faced brother eye. the scene with him digging it out of the dirt is when he first finds the scarab

...Where the hell did THAT happen? :confused:

[The Question]

In Infinite Crisis. Anyway, I'll look into this new series. I'm not to thrilled with Ted's death, so I hope that this new BB is good.

[vog]

...Where the hell did THAT happen? :confused:

Question's right about it happening in Infinite Crisis, although I don't think the've actually showed it in the books yet. I believe it was Infinite Crisis 5 that showed Booster recruiting Blue Beetle, so it's probably gonna happen in IC 6 or 7...or possibly the O.M.A.C. special that's yet to come out.

[The Question]

Okay. I read it. And I must say, it was a pretty decent book, but personality wise, the new Beetle seems to essentially be a hispanic Ted Kord.

[yenaled]

I loved this book, I found it really refreshing and different. I loved the artwork and can't wait to see the story develop. Great book so far.

[Spike_x1]

I'll hopefully check it out this weekend.

[droogiedroogie2]

Okay. I read it. And I must say, it was a pretty decent book, but personality wise, the new Beetle seems to essentially be a hispanic Ted Kord.Oh good. I didn't see that coming at all. No sir. Keith Giffen's going to write "funny" superhero comics in an unfunny universe? Whee. Thanks for the change of pace, Keith.

[warren_sparta27]

i thought it was really good, i'm not fimiliar with blue beetle, but so far it's pretty cool. i like him not knowing what the hell is going on with his powers or suit or whatever.

[IronSpidy]

Can someone please post the cover to this. I really want to pick this up. He looks real cool.

[The Question]

Oh good. I didn't see that coming at all. No sir. Keith Giffen's going to write "funny" superhero comics in an unfunny universe? Whee. Thanks for the change of pace, Keith.



I said personality wise he seemed alot like Ted. The book really wasn't that humorous. Bust still, I constantly fail to understand you hatred for comedy books.

[Artistsean]

Has the new series even started? I haven't even seen one at any comic book store ever.

[yenaled]

It came out on Wednesday.

[CConn]

Can someone please post the cover to this. I really want to pick this up. He looks real cool.http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/4963_400x600.jpg

Oh, and if you need anything else regarding covers or synopses, just go to either www.dccomics.com/comics (http://www.dccomics.com/comics), and www.marvel.com/comics (http://www.marvel.com/comics). They're simple enough to find.

[IronSpidy]

CC is that the cover for #1 or a promotional pic?

[Lackey]

that's the cover

[IronSpidy]

Thanks, I will pick up today. But I heard the comic aint so great. Is this true?

[Lackey]

have you been reading Infinite Crisis at all? because the character was introduced in that...and if you liked what you saw so far, then I'd say you'll enjoy the book.

Also, Keith Giffen is usually a great writer so I think this book will turn out pretty good. The first issue wasn't amazing or anything, but it was a good start in my opinion.

[IronSpidy]

No I havent been reading Infinite Crisis. Can you give me a rundown?

[droogiedroogie2]

I said personality wise he seemed alot like Ted. The book really wasn't that humorous. Bust still, I constantly fail to understand you hatred for comedy books.I have no problem with them if they stay where they belong. Battle Pope is one of my favorite comics ever. Batman/Lobo (Elseworlds) is up there too. Chuck Norris is hilarious (even if it wasn't intended to be funny.) I have no problem at all with comedy comics if they stay out of serious universes. The old laugh-it-up Justice League books made no sense because everybody else in the DCU was turning more serious and dark, but suddenly they'd come over the League's ridiculous little clubhouse and be all jokey-jokey. Non-EW Lobo made no sense because the Crisis got rid of ludicrous power levels, but here's a guy who can bump his bike into a planet and destroy it, and bleeds clones of himself. Woo. Har har?

[Lackey]

No I havent been reading Infinite Crisis. Can you give me a rundown?

that'd be a big rundown, but I'll try to give you Blue Beetle's part in it. Let me also say that you don't need to know all about Infinite Crisis to understand this book.



In Countdown to Infinite Crisis, Ted Kord, the previous Blue Beetle, discovers his former Justice League associate Maxwell Lord has been using Justice League files and Batman's Brother Eye satellite to spy on the metahuman community. The magical scarab (that powered the original Bluee Beetle, Dan Garrett) ends up in the Rock of Eternity the home of Shazam the Wizard after Blue Beetle is taken there because of his quest to find the truth. Max Lord considers metahumans a threat to the human race and shoots Kord in the head, killing him, to protect his secret plans.

Meanwhile, the Spectre (the wrath of God), has gone nuts not having a human host and has decided to destroy all magic in the world. Shazam the Wizard is killed and the Rock of Eternity destroyed as a result of this. Fragments of the Rock of Eternity, full of magic, fall like meteors all over the country, but mostly in Gotham City. The magical scarab ends up in El Paso, Texas.

A teenager named Jaime Reyes found the scarab and kept it in his room, at night it fused to his spine choosing him as the new Blue Beetle.

Booster Gold, friend of Ted Kord, came to Jaime Reyes with information from the future that he was the new Blue Beetle even though Jaime himself didn't know it yet. Booster knew that Batman was about to assemble a team to destroy the Brother Eye satellite, but the satellite was cloaked and Batman's team would fail. Booster told Jaime that they needed his help because he is the only one that could see the satellite. So they team up with Batman to destroy the satellite.
Blue Beetle #1 issue picks up soon after that with some flashbacks of Jaime before he found the scarab.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Crisis
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[The Question]

I have no problem with them if they stay where they belong. Battle Pope is one of my favorite comics ever. Batman/Lobo (Elseworlds) is up there too. Chuck Norris is hilarious (even if it wasn't intended to be funny.) I have no problem at all with comedy comics if they stay out of serious universes. The old laugh-it-up Justice League books made no sense because everybody else in the DCU was turning more serious and dark, but suddenly they'd come over the League's ridiculous little clubhouse and be all jokey-jokey. Non-EW Lobo made no sense because the Crisis got rid of ludicrous power levels, but here's a guy who can bump his bike into a planet and destroy it, and bleeds clones of himself. Woo. Har har?


The Crisis got rid of Superman's ludicrous power levels. Why does that have to apply to Lobo? And what was wrong with the JLI? No one was out of character. Batman was still Batman. It's just that when you play him off of Blue Beetle and Booster Gold, you get humor. He's the strait man.

[droogiedroogie2]

The Crisis got rid of Superman's ludicrous power levels. Why does that have to apply to Lobo? And what was wrong with the JLI? No one was out of character. Batman was still Batman. It's just that when you play him off of Blue Beetle and Booster Gold, you get humor. He's the strait man.1) It made a lot of people less high-powered. Remember Darkseid? The whole point of down-powering characters was to make the universe just a little more believable. And then we got Lobo. Yay.
2) JLI was just too lighthearted. The adventures were lighthearted, the characters were more lighthearted than they were supposed to be (even Batman), and the whole atmosphere didn't fit within the context of a universe that would very soon see heroes dead, broken, and insane. It was just out of place. If they would have called it "Adventures of the Silver Age Justice League," I wouldn't have cared. They can retcon BB and BG and GG into the Silver Age if they want, I don't care, I hate the Silver Age anyway and blame it for the reputation of comic books.

And that's why I, for one, have been glad to see all those references, from ID Crisis through Infinite Crisis, to the whole "laughing" era of the League as misguided and foolish. Because it was.

[The Question]

1) It made a lot of people less high-powered. Remember Darkseid? The whole point of down-powering characters was to make the universe just a little more believable. And then we got Lobo. Yay.

Yeah. But not all characters were downplayed. The Spectre and Dr. Fate stayed relatively the same. And most agree that the depowering of Darkseid was a mistake.

2) JLI was just too lighthearted. The adventures were lighthearted, the characters were more lighthearted than they were supposed to be (even Batman), and the whole atmosphere didn't fit within the context of a universe that would very soon see heroes dead, broken, and insane. It was just out of place. If they would have called it "Adventures of the Silver Age Justice League," I wouldn't have cared. They can retcon BB and BG and GG into the Silver Age if they want, I don't care, I hate the Silver Age anyway and blame it for the reputation of comic books.

There was nothing silver age about the JLI. And how were the stories light hearted? They were just as serious as what the Morrison era League went through. The humor came from the character interaction and some of the situations in the down time between missions. And really, the book did bring a sense of realism to the League. It had them become a U.N. sponosored team. And none of the characters were portrayed out of character. Batman was not written as lighthearted. He was rude, cold, distant, and alienating as always. The humor came from him having to deal with idiots like Booster or jerks like Guy or jokesters like Beetle.

And that's why I, for one, have been glad to see all those references, from ID Crisis through Infinite Crisis, to the whole "laughing" era of the League as misguided and foolish. Because it was.

No. It wasn't. Let me tell you something. Comedy is hard. Very very hard. Alot harder than drama. If you can write comedy well, odds are you can write good drama. Not necesairily the case witha dramatic writer writing comedy. JLI shows that the team behind it has talent. And it wasn't silver age campyness all the time. Hell, it was almost never like that. The humor was, for the most part, rather inteligent and sophisticated. The missions the team had were far from goofy. They were dealing with political issues in their first arc. And that one story where the sentient virus takes control of the world was far from foolish or goofy. Hell, it was kind of creepy, and definately showed that Martian Manhunter kicks major ass. I seriously have no idea where you're coming from.

[IronSpidy]

Thanks for the rundow. Thats an awesome cover but how did this teenager out of know where find the scrub?

[The Question]

He just stumbled across it. The scarab, along with the rest of the rock of eternity, was blown across the entire planet. Chunks fell to every corner of the earth.

[IronSpidy]

So he found it buy chance.....Has he the ability to change uniform at will or is he like the Thing where it cant change.

[The Question]

It looks like he can change at will.

[IronSpidy]

Awesome. So far I like. Tell me...this is off topic but I need to ask any new BB action figures comming out due to the new comic series?

[vog]

None planned that I know of. If there is one to be made soon, it would probably be in upcoming waves of the Infinite Crisis figures. Wave 1 of that series isn't due to come out until aug/sept I believe, and they haven't announced any future waves yet, so don't hold your breath.

[house of f]

blue bettles prity good

[house of f]

i meant cool

[SouLeSS]

Theres an edit button for stuff like that ya know.

[drastic_quench]

I wondering where he'll end up power-wise and what his "rank" in the DCU will be. Is BB going to have an occasional team-up with the Teen Titans - or will he be rolling with the big guns?

[Anubis]

That depends on how well he does against Brother Eye in Infinate Crisis #6

[IronSpidy]

None planned that I know of. If there is one to be made soon, it would probably be in upcoming waves of the Infinite Crisis figures. Wave 1 of that series isn't due to come out until aug/sept I believe, and they haven't announced any future waves yet, so don't hold your breath.Thanks vog, are there any pics from series 1 yet? Are his chances high of making it into series 2?

[Lackey]

Thanks vog, are there any pics from series 1 yet? Are his chances high of making it into series 2?


That costume is so badass, I'm sure there'll be an action figure of it somewhere down the line.

Infinite Crisis series 1 figures don't come out until September, though.

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[Anubis]

That Mongol and PG look freakin Sweet.

[IronSpidy]

Who is that first guy? I agree about the costume being baddass!!

[Anubis]

Alexander Luthor

[IronSpidy]

Thanks, and that Blue dude? Also why is there no Batman?

[Anubis]

The Blue one with the Mohawk? Thats an OMAC. And I guess they haven't gotten to Bats yet. Bet your bottom dollar they have Bats, Wonder Woman, and Supes in the same batch though.

[Fantastic Fan22]

Im sure there'll be a future wave or two, probably including Superboy, and Nightwing, depending on how the rest of IC plays out of course.

[IronSpidy]

And hopefully blue bettle of course! Anubis whos OMAC?

[Anubis]

The OMACs are people who have been infected by nanobots from Brother Eye. Brother Eye is a sentient satalite that Batman created to spy on all the Meta humans in the world due to his paranoia after he was Mind Wiped by the Justice League during the Sue Dibney/Dr. Light affair, in which Dr. Light had his intelligence stripped away and was turned into a cowardly idiot because he raped Sue Dibney (The wife and partner of the Elongated man) and threatned to do it to all the heros family members. Batman walked in on them doing it, tried to stop them, and they erased the last ten minutes from his mind.

The OMAC's are powerful, they adapt to their opponents stregths and weakness, and pretty much anybody could be one and not even know it. All of this is covered in Identity Crisis, and The OMAC Project.

[IronSpidy]

So basically there are good guys? Whos their leader?

[Anubis]

No, not good guys. Spawn of corrupted A.I. sounds about right. And I suppose Brother Eye is the Leader.

[yenaled]

Have you been sleeping the past year? :D

[IronSpidy]

Is brother eye the guy in the figure? Sorry buts its still abit confusing.

[yenaled]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0503/20/omac1.jpg

Brother Eye

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OMACs

[IronSpidy]

Well dude. Thanks!! In that pic with Batman they dont look blue at all. Do the OMAC's come in a variety of colours?

[Anubis]

Okay, it seems your pretty lost on everything thats been going on for the past two to three years in DC. It's all connected and it has been one hell of a ride for those of us that have been here scince the begining. And we tend to assume that everybody knows what the deal is. I'll try and condense most of it as best I can.

Batman created Brother eye to spy on the metas of the world. Find out who they are, powers, weaknesses. That sort of thing. At some point, Batman lost control of Brother eye. It was taken over by Maxwell Lord, the Black King of Checkmate (Like Marvel Comic's SHIELD) He had been proceding with an agenda to get rid of all Metas in the world. ANd he was using Brother Eye to find out everything he needed to know. He also had Brother Eye create the OMAC's and implant them all over the world in ususpecting civilians.

Anyway, Max (A high level Telepath) had been slowly taking control of Superman for years. (He once ran the Justice League, so he had access to everybody.) He made Superman see various villians killing Lois right in front of him. What he thought was Darkseid, was really Batman, and Supes damn near killed him. Anway, the League found out it was Max, and Wonder Woman followed Supes back to Checkmates base fo opperations where Max was. Supes and WW had a huge fight, she was able to slit his throat, (which slowed Supes down) Long enough for her to put the lasso on Max. Asked him how to get Superman from under his control, and Max said, she had to kill him. Without blinking an eye, She snapped his neck. Brother Eye recoreded the whole thing, and, now free to do whatever it wanted, it sought to enact the plan that was already set forth by Max Lord, which was the OMACs, who were then activated and set loose upon the world.

After much battle, the heros were able to get rid of a good portion of them, but there are still around 100,000 or so, still out and about, and being controlled by Brother Eye, and Batman, Green Lantern, Booster Gold, and the Blue Beetle are going up into space to find and destroy the satalite, which is where the Blue Beetle series starts up. After they destroy Brother eye.

[IronSpidy]

Ohhhh I sorta get it. Thanks agian dude. So slowly Superman was losing the plot and nearly killed Batman?

[The Question]

Yup. Would have succeded if Wonder Woman hadn't pulled Bruce's ass out of the fire in the nick of time.

[Kurosawa]

The new Blue Beetle reminds me of Guyver to a certain extent. Of course the book's much more lighthearted than Guyver, but it does make me think of it.

I still think killing Ted Kord was a mistake, but I do like this new character. I'm giving the book a chance.

[SouLeSS]

I've been reading this comic over and over. I dont know, theres something about it that I can't put down. Maybe it's how simple the character design is (for drawing purposes) or something.

But seriously, I hope this series lasts. I just got my (full run) Nightwing comics in the mail today, and I've yet to crack (1-117 + all the oneshots/mini's) any of them open. Perhaps thats for tommorow.

[Caliber]

I want to read it because it takes place in the city I live in, El Paso.

[BlackOpsTengu]

Ultimately though, the OMACs are the weapon of Alexander Luthor, who helped make Brother I sentient from the spoilers I read, and probably manipulated Max into helping his agenda. The OMACs are a tool by which Alex can eliminate undeserable and pestering heroes and villians, while keeping the big shots occupied and away from interfering with this plans.

[IronSpidy]

OhhhI see.....are they still going strong?

[Anubis]

Yeah, last time we saw them, Brother Eye sicked them on Paradise Island. Forcing a massive battle with the Amazons. Showing the world how blood thirsty they were. And forcing the Amazons to use their ultimate weapon. A lot of Amazons and innocent people died (Those that were turned into OMACs), and the Amazons were forced to leave this plane of exsistance along with all the Greek Gods, Leaving Wonder Woman to face the world alone.

[yenaled]

Actually technically the last time we saw them Alex had the circling his stronghold in the North Pole making sure no-one gets to him.

[Anubis]

Yup your right. That means Superboy and Nightwing are gonna have to fight they're way through them. Man IC number six is gonna be good.

[The Question]

What I find funny is that the O.M.A.C.s have been shown third and fourth teir but still quite formadible characters with ease, and yet Batman can take on three and survive, and it seems Nightwing and Superboy are going to make it through an army of them.

[IronSpidy]

Grrek gods on amazion.....please inform me more master Anubis.

[drastic_quench]

I can't wait to see someone (probably Booster) telling Jaime about the two previous Beetles.

"So what happened to them?"

"Oh. They were both killed in action... But, hey... Nice armor, kid!"

Seriously though, when a 15/16 year-old kid, whose unsure of himself and his hero status, hears about the untimely demise of his predecessors - well that's just gonna be a great moment.

[yenaled]

What I find funny is that the O.M.A.C.s have been shown third and fourth teir but still quite formadible characters with ease, and yet Batman can take on three and survive, and it seems Nightwing and Superboy are going to make it through an army of them.

The way I see it is that the OMACs work through a database and change themselves to suit who they are fighting, well fighting their potential. This is all a robotic fuction from the Brother Eye database. So when fighting Batman on paper they don't need to do much and don't put as much power into the battle as they would Superman, thus underestimating what he can actually do because on paper he isn't anything.

If that makes any sense at all.

Trying for my no-prize anyway.

[The Question]

I can't wait to see someone (probably Booster) telling Jaime about the two previous Beetles.

"So what happened to them?"

"Oh. They were both killed in action... But, hey... Nice armor, kid!"

Seriously though, when a 15/16 year-old kid, whose unsure of himself and his hero status, hears about the untimely demise of his predecessors - well that's just gonna be a great moment.


It'd be funnyer if Booster went into a but more detail. Like how Dan Garret was crushed to death by several hundred tons of rock, and Ted Kord got his brains blown out by a corrupt government official.

The way I see it is that the OMACs work through a database and change themselves to suit who they are fighting, well fighting their potential. This is all a robotic fuction from the Brother Eye database. So when fighting Batman on paper they don't need to do much and don't put as much power into the battle as they would Superman, thus underestimating what he can actually do because on paper he isn't anything.



If that makes any sense at all.



Trying for my no-prize anyway.

That doesn't make any sense at all. If they adapt to be best suited to deal with a target, then how can they possibly under estimate Batman? They know what skills he has and what weapons he generally carries. Just rip his utility belt off and blow a hole through his chest with an energy cannon, and he's dead.

[yenaled]

Yeah... I know... :(

Oh whatever, Batman took on Amazo and White Martians, he can do anything. Screw trying to explain it all.

[GoldenAgeHero]

It'd be funnyer if Booster went into a but more detail. Like how Dan Garret was crushed to death by several hundred tons of rock, and Ted Kord got his brains blown out by a corrupt government official.



That doesn't make any sense at all. If they adapt to be best suited to deal with a target, then how can they possibly under estimate Batman? They know what skills he has and what weapons he generally carries. Just rip his utility belt off and blow a hole through his chest with an energy cannon, and he's dead.


no offense but for the love of god, let it go, just let it go.

[Lackey]

tell me about it... it's an unhealthy fixation

[The Question]

no offense but for the love of god, let it go, just let it go.


I'm not holding on to anything. I'm just pointing that out, and it did have to do with the conversation.

[drastic_quench]

So, based on John in IC #6 and Guy in BB #1 - there's something happening between Green Lantern's and Blue Beetle's tech. They just don't get along. There's lots of Lanterns and few Beetles, though. I guess that make Lanterns the PCs and Beetles the Macs.

[Antitang]

so the Lanterns work well and the Beetles just look pretty?


Oh god don't hurt me :(

[BrianWilly]

Actually, the new Blue Beetle kinda reminded me of Guyver, too. All that talk about crawly instantaneous bio-magical armor and stuff, not to mention the random pulling of baddass weaponry out of nowhere.

The slightly anime-style of the art just adds to it.

[drastic_quench]

There's a preview for #3 over at Newsarama. Check it out. I'm really getting a strong Invincible (Kirkman/Walker) vibe off of this book.

[SpiderTime]

hey guys. just thought you might get a kick out this.

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[SpiderTime]

http://blinky500.tripod.com/pics/thumbnails/600x450/Blue_Beetle.jpg

[Anubis]

heh, cool :up:

[SpiderTime]

i hope no one minds, i X'ed out those underoo's, i judt didnt like them. i think the costume looks cooler without em.

[SpiderTime]

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[The Question]

Dude. Kick ass.

[SpiderTime]

spread the word. ted's not dead- at least to his fans he's not.

[GoldenAgeHero]

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lmao looks like futurisitic porn flick, featuring a comic book hero.

[Lackey]

like Spiderbabe :)

[SpiderTime]

its the blue beetle costume with out the underoos- what more do you want?

[vog]

like Spiderbabe :)


that movie was some kinda awful

[TheCorpulent1]

The hot kind of awful. :up:

[Lackey]

that movie was some kinda awful


it's a low-budget, softcore porn parody of Spider-Man...what were you expecting?

There should be a MST3K for softcore porn :(

[SpiderTime]

http://myspace-256.vo.llnwd.net/00691/65/25/691975256_l.jpg

this is something im working on in june.

[The Question]

Cool. Costumes look good.

[SpiderTime]

thanks. i did a mix of the old and new booster. i dropped the collar and leaned more towards the post crisis 2 look.

[Anubis]

I dig it. Looks like an advertisment for a crappy buddy cop show from the 80's.

[Lackey]

this is a film I'm working on

http://members.cox.net/azarael/Pictures/superheroes.jpg

[Anubis]

Oh.....my........freaking......God.......

[GoldenAgeHero]

this is a sick thread!

[SpiderTime]

why do you people have to ruin threads like this with gay humor? come on people

[SpiderTime]

wel anyway, in the spirit of keeping it real, check out booster gold
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[Lackey]

why do you people have to ruin threads like this with gay humor? come on people


homophobe :down

[TheCorpulent1]

Seriously. I have yet to see gay humor do anything but enrich the lives of all involved. :o

Good work on the costumes, though I would've gone with the high collar for Booster. Booster totally needs a super-cool collar. In many ways, that collar represents what Booster's all about. :)

[yenaled]

Here's for the collar!

I keep on thinking the costumes are spray painted directly onto their bodies... they really look like it in places.

Or maybe that's just a sexual fantasy of mine... mmm Booster...

Oops, seems to have slipped back into gay humour.


P.S. Goins is a really funny surname.

[TheCorpulent1]

P.S. Goins is a really funny surname.
I didn't want to say anything. :D

[SpiderTime]

im doing a contemporary version of the characters. true- there are ways to make the collar look cool, but for lack of a better excuse, i got lazy.

and im not a homophobe. i think its not making anything funnier. its just there.

oh, and booster's costume is sewn together. the blue beetle costume, is a sky blue with the dark blue painted on. same with the black lining. all painted on.

[TheCorpulent1]

Actually, I said I've never seen gay humor do anything but enrich people's lives. This time included. You're going to have to lose some of that maturity if you want to play in our sandbox, buddy. :p

[SpiderTime]

eh, its not about maturity, its just annoying. put yerself in my shoes. you try and show people something you think they'd like to see, then all they do is make bad jokes about it. it's like, why bother? i have no problems with gay humor- when its funny. but come on. why would i want to show any of my work when all i get are gay references? its just not cool.

[TheCorpulent1]

Other people have given you compliments on it. I've posted on the Fan Art boards for a long time here and all I can say is that if you're not prepared for pretty much every reaction to your work, you're going to be disappointed.

[SpiderTime]

im cool with compliments and critisims. thats not my problem. my problem is that im expecting compliments and critisims and all i see are gay related comments, and a pic of booster and gl doing it.

thats not too conducive to me becoming a better artist. thats my problem. its like going off topic.

by the way, i saw yer comic. its pretty cool.

[Lackey]

im cool with compliments and critisims. thats not my problem. my problem is that im expecting compliments and critisims and all i see are gay related comments, and a pic of booster and gl doing it.

thats not too conducive to me becoming a better artist. thats my problem. its like going off topic.

by the way, i saw yer comic. its pretty cool.


you went off topic first, since this thread is about the new Blue Beetle comic, not your crappy homemade costumes and movies :)

[yenaled]

So... hmmm...

How about that last page of #2...

It's got me hooked.

[drastic_quench]

Yeah, let's get back on track.

"Jaime, it's one year later!"
That ties that oddity up nicely, I think.

[SpiderTime]

you went off topic first, since this thread is about the new Blue Beetle comic, not your crappy homemade costumes and movies :)

its the offical blue beetle thread. you want the new blue beetle comic, go to comic bloc and quit complaining.

[drastic_quench]

And it's in the comics section! Take it over to hype's fanfilm/art section.

[TheCorpulent1]

So... hmmm...

How about that last page of #2...

It's got me hooked.
The second-to-last page was even better for me. I love his sister. :D

[yenaled]

The second-to-last page was even better for me. I love his sister. :D


Ohh some of Milagro in her PJs eh...

You cad.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ew, no. I meant how she moved into his room while he was away. That was a funny moment, when he stumbles through the window, she screams, and he's just like, "Wow, you really did move in fast."

[yenaled]

Haha, I know :D

That scene actually reminded me of Back to the Future Part 2, when Marty climbs into his room and someone else is there and then the parent runs in with a baseball bat.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that was a hilarious scene. :D

[Lackey]

Haha, I know :D

That scene actually reminded me of Back to the Future Part 2, when Marty climbs into his room and someone else is there and then the parent runs in with a baseball bat.



For a second, I almost thought they were going to do something like that... like his family wouldn't know who he was.

[TheCorpulent1]

Did his dad lose a lot of weight? I remember wondering, "Who the hell is that?" when his dad came into the room on the last page.

[drastic_quench]

Grew a beard and is walking with canes too. Bet he got sick during the past year.

[TheCorpulent1]

The stress of losing a son. Mmmm, drama. ;)

[SonOfCthulhu]

So after 2 issues of BB it seems very clear that the book will be marketed toward a much younger male hispanic audience. I'm not opposed to that, if the stories and art are good. So far the the artwork is unique and fantastic. The story, however, is lacking some refinement.

In both the past and future story settings, our new Blue Beetle has no clear grasp on how to use his powers. The suit is on autopilot, taking Jamie with it. While this may get us the necessary 4-7 pages of action poses necessary for this to still be considered a superhero book, it doesn't do to much in the way of developing our leading man as anything other than a puppet on the end of the scarab's strings. Using the "Deus Ex Machina" bag of tricks twice now is diminishing Jamie to the background of his own series. It would be better if Jamie was show to exhibit more control over the suit.

The family storyline works. The rat pack of enemies that make up the Posse are interesting. Sadly the question of alien tech or magic aspect of the scarb powers is being dealt with too slowly. At this pace, we'll be at issue 12 before we know what is up with the suit. Maybe that's what Keith has planned, but I really hope not. By then I think that many readers will have moved on to other titles.

Still miss Ted and the Wein/Cullins days...

[warren_sparta27]

i think it's been great so far, the first time i've read a Blue Beetle story, apart from the death of Ted :( and BB become one of my fav characters.

i was thinking maybe he could get training from someone, Teen Titans? Booster etc.

[drastic_quench]

So after 2 issues of BB it seems very clear that the book will be marketed toward a much younger male hispanic audience.
That's about the stupidest and most one dimensional conclusion you could come to. So by your logic Batman is marketed to the white billionaire b.a.s.e.-jumping/spelunking crowd?

[GoldenAgeHero]

i agree with sonof , DC did order a mandate to introduce new minority characters. aka asian atom, hispanic BB. etc.

[Tropico]

Riiiiight, because Milestone didn't teach them anything. I've yet to see anything that makes this particular to a hispanic setting. Are you telling me that it's incredibly uncommon for non-hispanics to live the same life Jaime does? I'm continually surprised at how people immediately pigeon hole something because of the ethnicity/race of the characters. Let me guess; WW, Manhunter, Supergirl, Batgirl and Birds of Prey are "chick" comics because their main character is female? Oh! Wait! Batgirl was aimed at young ASIAN women, sorry for that oversight!

I get all your other "praise" for the book as long as I overlook that you meant in in spite of the audience you perceive it was geared towards.:rolleyes:

[SonOfCthulhu]

That's about the stupidest and most one dimensional conclusion you could come to. So by your logic Batman is marketed to the white billionaire b.a.s.e.-jumping/spelunking crowd?

So you don't believe that when DC sat down and drew up the character design for a new Blue Beetle, they didn't decide on purpose to make him a hispanic character?

I'm not arguing with that as business decision. It's a very smart move. Hispanics are a huge part of the population demographic. They are an under-represented minority when it comes to super heroes. Specifically super heroes that have a their own title publication. And the specific art design of the book is similar to Teen Titans funneled through Mike Mignola's Atlantis and Road to El Dorado. It's very clean, sacrificing realism for a comfortable cartoony feel. The look comes off as "young", "hip" and "street."

I didn't imply any of this was bad or negative. If you got that impression, I'm sorry. It's just the old BB was a middle-aged white guy who was super smart and had a penchant for one-liners. I could identify with him because I'm a older-than-middle-aged white guy who would love to be super smart and witty. So I can connect with that character very easily.

But so far the new BB doesn't really thrill me. I don't care to step back into being a teenager again unless the writers really do something impressive with them (say like Ultimate Spiderman). And Jamie appears to be a follower at this point, doing whatever the suit tells him. It's also making me think this book will only survive based upon art and shrewd product placement (tapping an under-served market segment). That's just my opinion.

Either way I'm in for a couple more issues before I make the drop decision on it.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Riiiiight, because Milestone didn't teach them anything. I've yet to see anything that makes this particular to a hispanic setting. Are you telling me that it's incredibly uncommon for non-hispanics to live the same life Jaime does? I'm continually surprised at how people immediately pigeon hole something because of the ethnicity/race of the characters. Let me guess; WW, Manhunter, Supergirl, Batgirl and Birds of Prey are "chick" comics because their main character is female? Oh! Wait! Batgirl was aimed at young ASIAN women, sorry for that oversight!

I get all your other "praise" for the book as long as I overlook that you meant in in spite of the audience you perceive it was geared towards.:rolleyes:
\
can you honestly tell me that the book isnt geared towards them? to say" he are new superhero is hispanic, check it out" thats exactly what dc is doing.

[SonOfCthulhu]

Riiiiight, because Milestone didn't teach them anything. I've yet to see anything that makes this particular to a hispanic setting. Are you telling me that it's incredibly uncommon for non-hispanics to live the same life Jaime does? I'm continually surprised at how people immediately pigeon hole something because of the ethnicity/race of the characters. Let me guess; WW, Manhunter, Supergirl, Batgirl and Birds of Prey are "chick" comics because their main character is female? Oh! Wait! Batgirl was aimed at young ASIAN women, sorry for that oversight!

I get all your other "praise" for the book as long as I overlook that you meant in in spite of the audience you perceive it was geared towards.:rolleyes:

So you think that Giffen/DC didn't decide to make this a hispanic character by choice? That they have a big wheel or something that decides ethicity? We need a new Robin - Let's spin for race! :)

[drastic_quench]

So you think that Giffen/DC didn't decide to make this a hispanic character by choice?
What does that even mean? As if white characters were created white by accident. Of course it was a conscious decision - but no more than deciding what the new costume would look like. I don't think the art is particulary "street". If anything it looks a lot like Invincible.

When they start to print this book in Spanish, then I'll concede that DC is targeting Latinos. Until then, save it. It's ridiculous. It's like saying Swamp Thing is geared toward folks who live on the bayou.

[Tropico]

See, you guys can't get over the character's ethnicity/race. I guess it couldn't be that the creators wanted to be...CREATIVE and not go with the cookie cutter caucasian superhero. I forgot that it's Marvel that's cracked up to be more realistic than DC (I don't agree with that statement, though) and DC couldn't have opted to go for a more realistic feel. You know, since one of you mentioned that there's an increase in minorities in the real world maybe they should reflect that in their comics even though it's DC.

Since you people are making all these questions as if I'm being unrealistic, look at this way. What in Jaime's story so far has been exclusive to a hispanic? Ok, apart from the part with the "slang" word which is something the writer got wrong, btw. Are you people seriously telling me that if he was called Chris and was caucasian that this story wouldn't be the same?

And, really, trying to use the "getting the minorities" statement? They have a bigger audience to catch with the established typically white fan base and more to lose by trying to hook the minority fan base. I've already seen how people have ridiculed the comic BEFORE it even came out just because the protagonist is hispanic. Now that it's certain that the character IS hispanic it alienates: 1)Those that can't get past ethnicity/race to relate to a character's STORY, 2)"Diehard" BB fans who are pissed off 'cause it's not Ted, his brother or Booster, 3)Hispanics that are under the misconception that the book will be catered to them and drop the book when they realize it isn't. I think that you're under the misconception that BB comes into the fray with an established fan base and DC would only have to gain by expanding into the minorities. White+Hispanics=Lotsa fans and mucho dinero, right? The thing is that the equation is wrong, those are NOT the factors DC comes into this book and I'm sure they are more aware of it than me and you. Like I said, they already have Milestone as a failed "experiment" and I don't even want to tell you what an incredible $h!+storm Firestorm raised in the begining.

It's your prerrogative if you still want to think that DC stands more to gain by making the character hispanic. I disagree completely with that stance from the stuff I've already seen, though.

[Tropico]

So you think that Giffen/DC didn't decide to make this a hispanic character by choice? That they have a big wheel or something that decides ethicity? We need a new Robin - Let's spin for race! :)

No, I think they DID make the character Hispanic by choice, but not for the same reasons you do. To say that the character is aimed at young hispanic males because the character is a teenager and hispanic is like saying that Wonder Woman is aimed at older Greek women or the defunct Batgirl was aimed at young Asian women. Of course, you're not going to see it that way because your statement is right and mine is wrong, right?:) If Giffen says (in an interview I read) that he told all the stories he wanted with the old BB and he wanted to do something new with the character, I believe him. I've seen very little of his work that I don't like so he still has my trust.

[SonOfCthulhu]

What does that even mean? As if white characters were created white by accident. Of course it was a conscious decision - but no more than deciding what the new costume would look like. I don't think the art is particulary "street". If anything it looks a lot like Invincible.

When they start to print this book in Spanish, then I'll concede that DC is targeting Latinos. Until then, save it. It's ridiculous. It's like saying Swamp Thing is geared toward folks who live on the bayou.

I don't know what Invincible looks like. I'll look for it next time I'm in my comics shop to see if I agree.

But I stand by my statement. Look at the first group he fights (outside of the OMACs and our favorite GL) called "The Posse". They look like they just stepped out of the barrio. Two guys are wearing muscle-Ts and the brick in the group is wearing a plaid shirt with only the top button closed. They look straight out of an Edward James Olmos flick.

Why not have him go up against the Madmen or Dr. Alchemy or some other old BB enemy?

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/5085_400x600.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

I did notice the dudes he was fighting in the last issue were pretty blatant ethnic stereotypes. Still, nothing about Jaime himself, outside of his name, the luchadore-inspired mask, and the occasional bit of Spanish tossed into the dialogue, seems distinctly hispanic to me. If Tim Drake happened upon the scarab instead of becoming Robin, I imagine his story would've been pretty much the same.

[SonOfCthulhu]

No, I think they DID make the character Hispanic by choice, but not for the same reasons you do. To say that the character is aimed at young hispanic males because the character is a teenager and hispanic is like saying that Wonder Woman is aimed at older Greek women or the defunct Batgirl was aimed at young Asian women. Of course, you're not going to see it that way because your statement is right and mine is wrong, right?:) If Giffen says (in an interview I read) that he told all the stories he wanted with the old BB and he wanted to do something new with the character, I believe him. I've seen very little of his work that I don't like so he still has my trust.

I haven't seen an article where Giffen stated that. Can you link me to it. The only one I've seen is this one:
http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=50609
where he "knew Ted was dying," meaning that DC didn't have a place in their lineup for a Kord/Beetle anymore. Heck, he was still pumping out BB's stuff in the second Justice League comeback mini when Ted was killed of in IC.

I take the Kord/Beetle comment to mean DC looking around and seeing an aging, mostly male, mostly white superhero lineup and not being able to fit in a title like the one I hold in my hand.

And again I think it's a great business decision, I just don't like the book that much.

[SonOfCthulhu]

I did notice the dudes he was fighting in the last issue were pretty blatant ethnic stereotypes. Still, nothing about Jaime himself, outside of his name, the luchadore-inspired mask, and the occasional bit of Spanish tossed into the dialogue, seems distinctly hispanic to me. If Tim Drake happened upon the scarab instead of becoming Robin, I imagine his story would've been pretty much the same.

Thank you for making my point for me. :) :up:

It's really a good thing that hispanic kids will have a character to look up to. I just wish they hadn't killed Ted to do it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ethnic stereotypes have appeared in every comic, from Superman to the X-Men. Those other elements are just surface details; the core of the character is the same, standard teenage superhero stuff that was perfected with Spider-Man decades ago. It's accessible to everybody, regardless of a few quirks, so I don't see how the book is aimed at hispanic people specifically. I'm not hispanic and I can relate to it and enjoy it just fine. By your definition, Batman is aimed at rich caucasian men, Batgirl is aimed at young Asian women, Green Lantern Corps is aimed at caucasian Irish-Americans, and Superman is aimed at extraterrestrials. :confused:

[Tropico]

It's really a good thing that hispanic kids will have a character to look up to. I just wish they hadn't killed Ted to do it.

It's good to see you show your true colors. Even meant as a joke your post comes off as extremely racist. Hispanic kids can look up to Superman, Batman, Spiderman or any other hero without them having to be hispanic. I hope you know that and were just trying to be mean spirited in your post.

Your last statement is one I've seen pop up a lot and attribute to bitterness. I mean, I certainly don't want to read it as "we had to kill a white hero so a hispanic one would have a chance"; cause that would just be wrong, right?

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Blue Beetle's not bad so far. Keepin' me interested at least.

[SonOfCthulhu]

It's good to see you show your true colors. Even meant as a joke your post comes off as extremely racist. Hispanic kids can look up to Superman, Batman, Spiderman or any other hero without them having to be hispanic. I hope you know that and were just trying to be mean spirited in your post.

Your last statement is one I've seen pop up a lot and attribute to bitterness. I mean, I certainly don't want to read it as "we had to kill a white hero so a hispanic one would have a chance"; cause that would just be wrong, right?

You're funny, because I'm the farthest thing from a racist. And I never said that a Hispanic teenager couldn't look up to Superman, etc, so anytime you want to stop calling me names and putting words in my mouth...:up:

DC is a company that is out to make a profit. Making the new BB a member of one of the fastest growing ethnic groups in America would make a lot of sense from a corporate stand point.

And I don't like seeing a character that I did like very much get offed just to be replaced by a non-descript character that after two issues still has the personality of a 2 X 4. If Giffen had come out swinging with something that blew my socks off, I wouldn't care if the character was lime-green with yellow poka-dots. As it is, Jamie is a bland individual that doesn't stand out except as the stereotype that he is perpetuating. I see it more as DC decided to kill off a character that they couldn't market correctly.

[SonOfCthulhu]

Ethnic stereotypes have appeared in every comic, from Superman to the X-Men. Those other elements are just surface details; the core of the character is the same, standard teenage superhero stuff that was perfected with Spider-Man decades ago. It's accessible to everybody, regardless of a few quirks, so I don't see how the book is aimed at hispanic people specifically. I'm not hispanic and I can relate to it and enjoy it just fine. By your definition, Batman is aimed at rich caucasian men, Batgirl is aimed at young Asian women, Green Lantern Corps is aimed at caucasian Irish-Americans, and Superman is aimed at extraterrestrials. :confused:

Superman was raised as a poor white farmboy who finds out he comes from another planet. He is drawn as a caucasian. Not that this is my argument, but I'd say he fits into a caucasian mold for purposes of your question.

More to the point of what you are asking though, do you think at the time Batman and Superman were created it would have been possible to market or sell them as anything other than caucasian superheros?

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't ask a question, I just provided some examples that a character's race and/or ethnicity doesn't mean that they're necessarily marketed specifically to readers of the same. But no, I doubt Batman or Superman would've succeeded if they weren't white males. Of course, the world in general, and especially the US, was a lot different in the '30s.
As it is, Jamie is a bland individual that doesn't stand out except as the stereotype that he is perpetuating.
What stereotypes is Jaime perpetuating? I haven't found anything stereotypical of him beyond the teenage woes common to all adolescents, regardless of race, gender, or ethnicity. He's about two steps shy of being about as hispanic as Kyle Rayner, really.

[Tropico]

You're funny, because I'm the farthest thing from a racist. And I never said that a Hispanic teenager couldn't look up to Superman, etc, so anytime you want to stop calling me names and putting words in my mouth...:up:

Ok, I don't agree with you, but ok.

DC is a company that is out to make a profit. Making the new BB a member of one of the fastest growing ethnic groups in America would make a lot of sense from a corporate stand point.

I already posted how DC is actually hurting itself instead of "gaining" a broader market with their decision. But, hey, it's just my opinion like yours.

And I don't like seeing a character that I did like very much get offed just to be replaced by a non-descript character that after two issues still has the personality of a 2 X 4. If Giffen had come out swinging with something that blew my socks off, I wouldn't care if the character was lime-green with yellow poka-dots. As it is, Jamie is a bland individual that doesn't stand out except as the stereotype that he is perpetuating. I see it more as DC decided to kill off a character that they couldn't market correctly.

The same happened to me with Firestorm when they replaced Ronnie, who wasn't even dead, with Jason. The writer had also expressed that he didn't care what the previous Firestorm fans thought or felt. What did I do? Not buy the comic. I only started buying it when Ronnie came back. The series is pretty good and I realize that if I hadn't been that angry at the begining maybe I would have given it more of a chance in the begining. I've gone back and read the first issues and admit that they're still not to my taste. Jason came off more as a thug than a hero. I won't go the road of saying that it's because of how black teenagers act because I can't say that it's true. I've read a lot of the comments from the fans of the series and most of them say that it's about a young man coming to terms with being a hero and that it took a while for him to reach that level.

I AM older than many of those people and realize that my view of what should be a hero is different. A hero should be a hero from the start, right? Well, apparently a lot more people than I thought like a hero to struggle at first (and it took quite a few issues for Jason!), it makes it more identifiable according to them. I never quite got what I wanted, though; Ronnie back as Firestorm and I know it will never happen. But the current one is pretty cool and I'm glad I gave it a chance.

[Tropico]

What stereotypes is Jaime perpetuating? I haven't found anything stereotypical of him beyond the teenage woes common to all adolescents, regardless of race, gender, or ethnicity. He's about two steps shy of being about as hispanic as Kyle Rayner, really.
I'd like to know that as well, although I can guess what they are from what a lot of Americans stereotype Hispanics as in America.

[Anubis]

Hardworking and family oriented? Because that's pretty much all I got from the character and his family. Terrible thing to be stereotyped as. I wish they would do that type of stereotyping for black characters.

[WormyT]

yeah, I'm not enjoying it so i've stopped collecting it after 2 issues. The art, the story doesn't even compell me to read it. I've not even read the second half of teh second issue.
but I love the costume design.

[ToddIsDead]

I'm going to stick with it for atleast one more issue. I want to see how Jamie deals with the predicament that he was put in at the end of issue 2.

[drastic_quench]

#6
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/9277/bluebeetle66lu.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

Really not a big fan of Rouleau's style.

[SonOfCthulhu]

Is that just the cover or is he doing the interior art as well?

[TheCorpulent1]

Cully Hamner, the regular artist, is named as the interior artist on the solicitation.

[warren_sparta27]

i'm not too fond of the artwork, it's good, but maybe too kiddyish, but the story has been great so far i think, and i'm a big fan of the new costume. :)

[SonOfCthulhu]

I got trounced because I suspected that the new BB book (number 3 was much better than 1 or 2, btw) was marketed toward hispanic audience. Note that DC is now admitting to "diversifying" it's lineup of characters.

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72016


So what we wanted to do is have a DC Universe that was more reflective, not only of our readership, but as society as a whole. Everything that we’re doing, every step that we’re taking, we’ll keep on pushing that, not only because I think it’s the right thing to do, but also because it allows us to create those points of difference. The fact that the Blue Beetle is Hispanic allows you to include a different kind of sensibility into the story that we might not have had in another series. It’s the same thing with the new Atom being Asian.

Again, I think this is a great thing to do. I don't agree that it will always yield great stories. And I don't agree with how DC is doing it in this case. Kicking Ted or Ray to the curb shouldn't be good for business. What DC is saying is basically we have enough money for "X" amount of books a month and we want these races and these sexual stereotypes represented. Instead of writing some new characters and seeing how they fair against existing ones, we are going to make Blue Beetle hispanic, Atom asian, Batwoman gay, etc, etc... It's not what books are written the best/are the most popular. It's almost like a (dare I say it) Affirmative Action program.

That said:

Blue Beetle # 3 was a large improvement over 1 and 2. Good to see Jamie actively participating while being BB. He's been on autopilot for too long already. We have yet another villian added (surprisingly named "La Dama" which is Spainish for The Lady! Scary.) Also, Jamie's One Year Later story has a greater impact on his friends and family. It's nice to see this put in as it adds to both his character and moves the story along nicely. I'm not won over yet, but this keeps me there for the next 2.99.

[drastic_quench]

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/674/5892400x600dp1.jpg
Wherein we lock Giffen in the basement and let Rogers fly solo! With the armor's secret revealed, Beetle now sees everything that's happened to him in a new light. Will it estrange him permanently from the heroes of the DCU? http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1231/6060400x600vj8.jpg
Escaping his way-too-high visibility in El Paso, the Beetle hits the road looking for answers from the Scarab's original owner! But it ain't a road trip without a few speed bumps!

[Tropico]

I got trounced because I suspected that the new BB book (number 3 was much better than 1 or 2, btw) was marketed toward hispanic audience. Note that DC is now admitting to "diversifying" it's lineup of characters.

Hellooooo!:) Trouncer here!!:p:D

Here's the little piece you left out that gives your quote much more meaning...

It should affect the storytelling in some way, because it allows us to give a different point of view, a different perspective. The same thing with Renee Montoya or Kate Kane being gay – that doesn’t matter who they are, but it does help give their stories a different point of view, a different perspective on the DCU that other characters might not have. It’s trying to attack these things on a personal level, so we can get much richer, more emotional stories from them.

They also mention the Planet DC project, a bunch of Annuals that came some years ago with the same intent of introducing diverse heroes and making them stick. It's the same thing now, diversifying the DCU.

Of course, to you it's catering to a certain audience; which I still hold defeats the whole purpose and won't give DC any real profit margin. But it's ok, to you diversification=pandering to minorities. To me diversification=diversification. Glad to see that you're liking the book enough not to drop it, though.:D:up:

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

i hope the BB title sticks around for a good while

[SonOfCthulhu]

I would rather have Ted back.

*/pines for the past

[sethcohen]

me too... he kinda reminded me of what someone wanting to be batman without the tradgedy to fuel them would be like...

[onceasaint]

Once I know the whole secret of the armor business, I'll make my decision as to whether or not I like the book. Till then Im trying to give the character a chance.

[SonOfCthulhu]

me too... he kinda reminded me of what someone wanting to be batman without the tradgedy to fuel them would be like...

And he had the added dash of humour a la Spider-man. This character type is in short supply in DC.

[GoldenAgeHero]

this book is lame.the writing is ok i guess, but not very interesting at all. i dont know this book is just really annoying as hell. the art sucks too. its hard topinpoint what i really hate about this book, but its extremely annoying. officially dropped.

[onceasaint]

They made the Phantom Stranger seem like some weird pedophile for a minute...I dont like it. :(

[TheCorpulent1]

The pacing on this book is way too ****ing slow. Giffen seems to be trying to make it into a big mystery, but successful mysteries need to give out a few answers here and there to keep stringing the reader along. Giffen told us that the armor is magical, it talks to Jaime, and it scares the **** out of Green Lantern rings and other magic-users back in the first one or two issues, then just stopped giving us anything more. We've just been following Jaime around, watching him adjust to every minute detail of the changes his life has undergone at a snail's pace. The next issue promises that the secret of his armor will finally be revealed, so I'll stick around for that. If the book continues meandering pointlessly after that, I'm gonna drop it.

On the plus side, I did like Rouleau's art in this issue a lot. It works well for young characters, kind of like an old-school Bachalo from back when Bachalo didn't suck.

[GoldenAgeHero]

i hope theres a good reason why the rings are scared of the scarab, i find it hard to believe that the most poweful weapon in the universe is scared of some bettle scarab.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm guessing the rings themselves are going to have some magical element post-IC. Which sucks, really, but whatever.

[bengus]

Again, I think this is a great thing to do. I don't agree that it will always yield great stories. And I don't agree with how DC is doing it in this case. Kicking Ted or Ray to the curb shouldn't be good for business. What DC is saying is basically we have enough money for "X" amount of books a month and we want these races and these sexual stereotypes represented. Instead of writing some new characters and seeing how they fair against existing ones, we are going to make Blue Beetle hispanic, Atom asian, Batwoman gay, etc, etc... It's not what books are written the best/are the most popular. It's almost like a (dare I say it) Affirmative Action program.

For the AA movement, I've only liked Mr. Terrific among the recent revisions (and this was a ways back). I've not found any of the others Post-Infinite Crisis interesting.

I don't really see the point of it all apart from launching all-new books to see if they'll work out. What's making me scratch my head is that both Ted and Ray were still pretty workable and interesting as supporting characters on their own. That's where I agree with you.

Anyway, as for the new BB - I'm still not feeling this series is going anywhere. Pacing is slow.

[TheCorpulent1]

For the AA movement, I've only liked Mr. Terrific among the recent revisions (and this was a ways back). I've not found any of the others Post-Infinite Crisis interesting. Not even Firestorm? Jason's just as likable as Ronnie was to me. I still wish it had been Ronnie who permanently bonded with Jason to be Firestorm, but even with Stein his comic's been great.

[bengus]

Not even Firestorm? Jason's just as likable as Ronnie was to me. I still wish it had been Ronnie who permanently bonded with Jason to be Firestorm, but even with Stein his comic's been great.

Got me there. I liked Firestorm. :)

[GoldenAgeHero]

I'm guessing the rings themselves are going to have some magical element post-IC. Which sucks, really, but whatever.

the rings are scared of magic?! i guess the ring needs a new weakness since the yellow is gone. thats kinda lame.

[onceasaint]

Im scared of the dude on the oatmeal box... :(

[TheCorpulent1]

the rings are scared of magic?! i guess the ring needs a new weakness since the yellow is gone. thats kinda lame.
They're scared of the new Blue Beetle. No clue why yet, since Giffen is taking forever and a day to reveal things.

[yenaled]

It is moving slowly, but I'm enjoying this book. Not sure why... I'm curious to see where it goes.

[Darthphere]

I like this book so far, but as a hispanic the stereotypes are getting to me.

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, Trop is gonna verbally eviscerate you soon.

[Darthphere]

Haha, Trop is gonna verbally eviscerate you soon.


Meh, he can go ahead, as i said im enjoying the comic and realize that the settings really just reflect that same attitude Jamie gives off in this book. I actually think Jamie is a postiive role model for hispanics as he sint some vato gansgter. I just find it unnecessary to have him have a friend named Paco, like how mexican is that really? Other than that, its all really nitpicking on my part.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

paco... it rhymes with taco. that seems right

[onceasaint]

Meh, he can go ahead, as i said im enjoying the comic and realize that the settings really just reflect that same attitude Jamie gives off in this book. I actually think Jamie is a postiive role model for hispanics as he sint some vato gansgter. I just find it unnecessary to have him have a friend named Paco, like how mexican is that really? Other than that, its all really nitpicking on my part.

Im mexican and I had a friend named Paco...and hell, no joke, one of my 2nd cousins is named Nacho.

[TheCorpulent1]

You should find Nacho a nice young lady named Salsa. I'm sure they'd make a tasty couple. :)

[Darthphere]

Im mexican and I had a friend named Paco...and hell, no joke, one of my 2nd cousins is named Nacho.


Thats sad.:( :up:

[onceasaint]

Itd only be sad if spanish music was blasting through my house and there was a pinata hanging up somewhere.

[Darthphere]

There is , isnt there?

[onceasaint]

There is , isnt there?

NO!!!.... :O.....:(.... ok... there is.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, really, who doesn't keep a good pinata around, just in case? :confused:

[sethcohen]

i thought id give it a shot with issue 6... i was bored and wanted something to read and i was also interested in the big revelation about the armor... wow... i couldnt have been more dissapointed unless i read issue 1 of the flash again... the big revelation was week, the art was childish... the characters were all boring... they killed ted kord for this?

[The Question]

The new Blue Beetle is essentially a hispanic teenaged Ted. Same damn personality.

[Speedball]

I like the idea behind the new Blue Beetle, but the execution of the idea could be better.
Am I entertained? Yes I am entertained, and that's all that really matters to me.

[sethcohen]

i dunno, i wanted to like it, but it was just soooooooo boring... and the armor isnt magic its extra terrestrial technology? NO ****! i could have guessed that... why the hell else would other ET tech like the GL rings hate it? DUH!

[The Batman]

I think alot of these new replacements suck

Atom, Blue Beetle, Flash, Captain Marvel...all pale in comparison to their predecessors.

DC was better Pre-IC...

[Phantom Lantern]

the first 2 issues with all the back and forth in time messed with my simple mind and kinda meh, now its nice and fun

[Darthphere]

i thought id give it a shot with issue 6... i was bored and wanted something to read and i was also interested in the big revelation about the armor... wow... i couldnt have been more dissapointed unless i read issue 1 of the flash again... the big revelation was week, the art was childish... the characters were all boring... they killed ted kord for this?


1. You essentially picked up the last issue of a 6 issue arc. Not so smart on your part.

2. The revealtion wasnt weak, since it hasnt been explained, in comics we call this a cliffhanger.

3. The art isnt by the regular artist, and its "childish" because at its core its supposed to be somewhat humorous and its dealing with a teenage kid and his friends. Its no different than Todd Nauck.

4. The book can be a lot better, but coming on at the end of an arc, not knowing all the build up and character points or characterization and criticizing it, isnt fair, since you didnt get the whole story.

[War Lord]

I think alot of these new replacements suck

Atom, Blue Beetle, Flash, Captain Marvel...all pale in comparison to their predecessors.

DC was better Pre-IC...

And many people here keep wanting Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent to retire.

[sethcohen]

1. You essentially picked up the last issue of a 6 issue arc. Not so smart on your part.

2. The revealtion wasnt weak, since it hasnt been explained, in comics we call this a cliffhanger.

3. The art isnt by the regular artist, and its "childish" because at its core its supposed to be somewhat humorous and its dealing with a teenage kid and his friends. Its no different than Todd Nauck.

4. The book can be a lot better, but coming on at the end of an arc, not knowing all the build up and character points or characterization and criticizing it, isnt fair, since you didnt get the whole story.
i know, but im a bastard and a tyrant

[Darthphere]

Let me ask you this, what do you like?

[sethcohen]

plus ive done stuff like that before and if the portion i picked up was good and compelling and made me want to know what the hell happened to get to where they were then i go and pick up back issues... this didnt really make me wonder how they got to where they are, nor did it make me care...

[sethcohen]

i like ion alot
love dinis detective, i like morrisons batman so far... im entertained by supes and action... i like WW alot... i like TT and GL Corps...

[XwolverineX]

I don't like Morrosin's Batman much.. Blue Beetle I never tried, he's just a character I guess I could never get into.

[The Batman]

And many people here keep wanting Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent to retire.

those people are fools.

[SuGarRush]

they want Bruce and Clark to retire? What? Some kind of sick joke?

You're not suggesting they seriously want them to retire?

....

Are you?

[Mistress Gluon]

In an answer to the thread. As a character and idea? No. As an execution? Seriously! A frickin Mexican magic gang? How the hell did Latin America get the jackpot on adolescent magic wielders?

[Darthphere]

In an answer to the thread. As a character and idea? No. As an execution? Seriously! A frickin Mexican magic gang? How the hell did Latin America get the jackpot on adolescent magic wielders?


Sex.

[Mistress Gluon]

Sex.

In all good taste, I cannot respond to that with another joke.

[Darthphere]

It wasnt a joke.

[Mistress Gluon]

It wasnt a joke.

Yes, but my response would have been.

[Assassin]

i thought id give it a shot with issue 6... i was bored and wanted something to read and i was also interested in the big revelation about the armor... wow... i couldnt have been more dissapointed unless i read issue 1 of the flash again... the big revelation was week, the art was childish... the characters were all boring... they killed ted kord for this?

thats how i feel when i read checkmate and bop. But i enjoy this and the flash book. so yea stick with your boring ass wonderwoman and BoP:up:

[TheCorpulent1]

thats how i feel when i read checkmate and bop. But i enjoy this and the flash book. so yea stick with your boring ass wonderwoman and BoP:up:
Hahaha, you totally impugned your own taste about three or four times in that one post. :D

[Assassin]

so? i thought it was obvious that i disagree with every one else here?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it's obvious because your taste in comics sucks. :oldrazz:

[Assassin]

says the guy who like she peeps and Ibop yes I bop, Ihop +birds of prey=Ibop

[XwolverineX]

they want Bruce and Clark to retire? What? Some kind of sick joke?

You're not suggesting they seriously want them to retire?

....

Are you?

Well, they'll eventually hafta think of something, 'cause no one wants an 80 year-old Batman. :dry:



But seriously, Batman and Superman can't get replace, it just, wouldn't be right. :(

[TheCorpulent1]

says the guy who like she peeps and Ibop yes I bop, Ihop +birds of prey=Ibop
You're just jealous because you have no she-peeps of your own. :(

[Assassin]

I have mama corpy

[TheCorpulent1]

My mother's dead, ass. Thanks.

[Assassin]

no she isnt, dick, your welcome

[Assassin]

on second thoughts, she did feel pretty cold the last few times...n/m i'll prob be banned for this joke, necropheliacs rule :up: :confused:

[TheCorpulent1]

Actually, she is.

[hippie_hunter]

I think alot of these new replacements suck

Atom, Blue Beetle, Flash, Captain Marvel...all pale in comparison to their predecessors.

DC was better Pre-IC...

I think that you and many others aren't giving these replacements a chance.

The All-New Atom is a good, fun book, just like Simone's other two books: Birds of Prey and Secret Six.

I haven't read Blue Beetle, so I can't make a judgement on him.

The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive isn't as bad as people are saying. It's alright, nothing special, nothing great. This is sounding like 1986 when Barry died.

Trials of Shazam hasn't even started yet, so you can't judge Freddy yet.

[Assassin]

I think that you and many others aren't giving these replacements a chance.

The All-New Atom is a good, fun book, just like Simone's other two books: Birds of Prey and Secret Six.

I haven't read Blue Beetle, so I can't make a judgement on him.

The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive isn't as bad as people are saying. It's alright, nothing special, nothing great. This is sounding like 1986 when Barry died.

Trials of Shazam hasn't even started yet, so you can't judge Freddy yet.

take it back or so help me god i'll tatoo a giant peace symbol with the words she peeps on your ****ing back!:mad:

[hippie_hunter]

take it back or so help me god i'll tatoo a giant peace symbol with the words she peeps on your ****ing back!:mad:

You just want to cyber do-it with someone don't you :o

[TheCorpulent1]

I think that you and many others aren't giving these replacements a chance.

The All-New Atom is a good, fun book, just like Simone's other two books: Birds of Prey and Secret Six.

I haven't read Blue Beetle, so I can't make a judgement on him.

The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive isn't as bad as people are saying. It's alright, nothing special, nothing great. This is sounding like 1986 when Barry died.

Trials of Shazam hasn't even started yet, so you can't judge Freddy yet.
I think it's every bit as bad as I've been saying. The fact that Waid, Millar, Morrison, and Johns gave Wally a string of great stories for literally years on end before Bart took over is probably compounding people's disappointment with the new team, too. I know the current run certainly isn't up to the standards I've come to expect from the Flash's comic. It's sad, really. The Flash used to be a rock of the DC universe--good even when everything else sucked. Now it's just another drop in the bucket of disappointing new directions DC's taking.

[Assassin]

i have, Twy, corp, leauger and I had a chat room together.

[hippie_hunter]

i have, Twy, corp, leauger and I had a chat room together.

I have horrible images now what you guys typed about

[Assassin]

lets just say all of our fingers hurt for days :confused:

[hippie_hunter]

lets just say all of our fingers hurt for days :confused:

Twylight I can understand, but I can't beleive that you cyber-did it with Leaguer and Corp :o

[Assassin]

why? corps a transcybervestite he types like a hot ass chick :confused:

[CloakandDagger]

why? corps a transcybervestite he types like a hot ass chick :confused:

...O.o

[Assassin]

yea i cant believe i said that, what an assass

[The Leaguer]

I like this title. Hamner needs to come back, though.

[Kurosawa]

I liked the first time this story was told...in Guyver.

[Assassin]

mark hamil guyver?

[Darthphere]

I liked the first time this story was told...in Guyver.


Pathetic.

[Kurosawa]

It's the exact same story, only not told as well, in my opinion.

And how about dropping it with the insults? **** gets old.

[Darthphere]

It's the exact same story, only not told as well, in my opinion.

And how about dropping it with the insults? **** gets old.


How about you stop going on about the Guyver thing? We got it the first time.

[Darthphere]

And I fail to see how it being a rip-off makes the title bad. If that was the case, more than half of what we call comics today would suck.

[The Leaguer]

The Guyver doesn't count because it's s***ty manga.

That's right GuyverJay, I said it. What.

[Assassin]

damn skippy

[TheCorpulent1]

The last issue showed some promise for the future. Finally, we'll actually start learning more about the armor and the scarab. I'm looking forward to learning why GL rings are afraid of it and why it can apparently override practically all other magic.

[regwec]

The character and the concept are good, the comic has been crap up to now. I think it is too wilfully "young".

[KingOfDreams]

I flipped through the first issue. Didn't grab me. The costume is interesting though.

[twylight]

i have, Twy, corp, leauger and I had a chat room together.


....Why don't I remember that?

[Darthphere]

I like the Blue Beetle title. Its nothing spectacular but its solid.

[twylight]

I dropped it after the first 3, it was coming in sporatically at my comic books store so I dropped it after 3 and THEN I finally got like the 4th printing of 1 and I dropped it.

I wasn't impressed, I'm not connected to Ted Kord, the title just doesn't interest me The art doesn't grab me and neither does the story.

[Darthphere]

Ok.

[twylight]

Spammer. :o

[Colossal Spoons]

I think alot of these new replacements suck

Atom, Blue Beetle, Flash, Captain Marvel...all pale in comparison to their predecessors.

DC was better Pre-IC...

What's this about a Cpt. Marvel replacement? You'll have to forgive the stench of DC newbness :O

[Assassin]

its freddy, Capt marvel jr

[Colossal Spoons]

But Billy Batson's not gone is he?