The Official Civil War Thread

[cart1]

So you can talk about Civil war and the tie-ins

[Themanofbat]

I just read the Illuminati Special...

If done properly, this could be one of the BEST inter-Marvel cross-overs ever told. :o

:)

[Upset Spideyfan]

I'm going to make a thread called the Unofficial Civil War Thread just to spite you. :p

[cart1]

I'm going to make a thread called the Unofficial Civil War Thread just to spite you. :p
go for it:)

[Norman Osborn]

I just read the Illuminati Special...

If done properly, this could be one of the BEST inter-Marvel cross-overs ever told. :o

:)

I'm pretty excited about it myself...please don't blow it Marvel :(......I'll have more to offer when i get Illuminati, NA 17 and FF 536 next week in the mail

edited to add: And DD 83 as I think that's a tie in as well

[3dman27]

I'm going to make a thread called the Unofficial Civil War Thread just to spite you. :p
be sure to put it in the marvel forum [which is where i think this thread ought to besince civil war is about more than just the web spinner ].maybe if spidey gets arrested it'll show the feds confiscating the iron spider armor citng national security as it once did with guardsmanII when they createdTHE GUARDSMAN PROJECT after the sentenels were outlawed as unconstitustial
that way readers won't have to gripe that tony stark has turned spidey into"web machine"

[3dman27]

I'm going to make a thread called the Unofficial Civil War Thread just to spite you. :p
be sure to put it in the marvel forum [which is where i think this thread ought to besince civil war is about more than just the web spinner ].maybe if spidey gets arrested it'll show the feds confiscating the iron spider armor citng national security as it once did with guardsmanII when they createdTHE GUARDSMAN PROJECT after the sentenels were outlawed as unconstitustial
that way readers won't have to gripe that tony stark has turned spidey into"web machine"

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

I'm really looking forward to Civil War. I read the Illuminati special and it piqued my interest even more. If done right, this might be something special. Considering the work he's done on Ultimates and Ultimates 2, I'm confident Mark Millar will do us proud. I just hope that Peter's ID isn't made public knowledge by the end of it all though. :(

[cart1]

So far the Road to Civil War issues has been good.I have a feeling Civil War will Rock

[UK_Stu]

The fact Mark Millar is the architect of this project alone, fills me with enough confidence in it

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

It's been said that no one will be affected by Civil War more than Spidey, so I don't see why it wouldn't be ok to have it here.

[dan1]

Madgoblin says that Millar has worked with the Spider-Fan.org people to get his continuity right, in the past.

Maybe this mini will correct some ridiculous continuity glitches in recent memory.

HA! Wishful thinking. Millar seems to need independant citizens not working for Marvel to help him with his continuity, and his editor is obviously out to lunch, so Civil War will just be lucky enough to get it's basic ideas continuity-correct.

God, I'm such a pessimist now since Quesada's reign has produced a Peter Parker that makes me wish Ben Reilly ended up being the real deal, Peter moved to Oregon permanently and he turns to Ashes after MJ HAD baby May.

Now THAT would have been cool! I cannot consider this weak short term memory stinger-man as Peter Parker the Spectacular Spider-Man.

thanks for the rant.

[CaptainStacy]

It's been said that no one will be affected by Civil War more than Spidey, so I don't see why it wouldn't be ok to have it here.

Indeed. If nothing else, we can discuss the Spidey portions of Civil War right here.

[CaptainStacy]

I just read the Illuminati Special...

If done properly, this could be one of the BEST inter-Marvel cross-overs ever told. :o

:)

Agreed. I thought Bendis' dialogue was riveting.

And the part when Namor taught Iron Man not to smart-off was priceless! Quite frankly, i would have paid cover price just for that scene alone.

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

Who better to turn to but fans that run the best Spidey site on the net?

I thought it was priceless when Namor owned Iron Man. That should teach him to speak out of turn. :D

[Themanofbat]

Personally, I can't wait for the Hulk to come back to Earth... :eek: :eek: :eek:

:cool:

[Norman Osborn]

Agreed. I thought Bendis' dialogue was riveting.

And the part when Namor taught Iron Man not to smart-off was priceless! Quite frankly, i would have paid cover price just for that scene alone.

*sniff* I gotta wait til Monday :(....stupid One Horse Town :(

[Themanofbat]

*sniff* I gotta wait til Monday :(....stupid One Horse Town :(

There's talk at the Town Meeting last night about investing on a second horse, so things are looking up. :up:

:)

[Captivated]

Illuminati spoiler ahead...
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Towards the end of "Illuminati," when Iron Man says, "let me tell you how this is going to go..." it was chilling... because we know already that a lot of what he says here is prophetic.

So, when he predicted that the lawmakers will want to make an example of someone, "like our friend Spider-Man" I got a serious feeling of dread. Tony continued, "Someone they can make a real spectacle of. Someone they can unmask on TV, distroy his marriage, his family and pin a crime or two on! All for the whole world to see. And the country will rupture. Sides will be taken and people WILL get hurt."

Well, isn't THAT going to be fun! :( Yeah, boy... Heart in your throat, OMG are they reeeally going to distroy Spider-man, kind of fun...

It all depends on how it ends. It COULD be a fun rollercoaster ride... I mean, I've always wanted to see what Flash, JJJ, and some others would do if they found out that Peter was Spider-Man... but they CAN'T leave it there. It must be undone, and in a smart way, too.

This is going to be good IF all's well that end's well. (And that's a pretty big if.) :) :( :mad: :O :)

[stillanerd]

Illuminati spoiler ahead...
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Towards the end of "Illuminati," when Iron Man says, "let me tell you how this is going to go..." it was chilling... because we know already that a lot of what he says here is prophetic.

So, when he predicted that the lawmakers will want to make an example of someone, "like our friend Spider-Man" I got a serious feeling of dread. Tony continued, "Someone they can make a real spectacle of. Someone they can unmask on TV, distroy his marriage, his family and pin a crime or two on! All for the whole world to see. And the country will rupture. Sides will be taken and people WILL get hurt."

Well, isn't THAT going to be fun! :( Yeah, boy... Heart in your throat, OMG are they reeeally going to distroy Spider-man, kind of fun...

It all depends on how it ends. It COULD be a fun rollercoaster ride... I mean, I've always wanted to see what Flash, JJJ, and some others would do if they found out that Peter was Spider-Man... but they CAN'T leave it there. It must be undone, and in a smart way, too.

This is going to be good IF all's well that end's well. (And that's a pretty big if.) :) :( :mad: :O :)
Well, you've certainly added to my trepidation, Captivated. Now here's something else to get your spidey sense tingling: one of the questions from Wizard Magazine's spoiler quiz on Civil War.

2. Which character willingly reveals their secret identity to the world during Civil War?
A. Spider-Man
B. Spider-Woman
C. Daredevil
D. Iron Man
How much you want to make a bet that Tony convinces Peter to reveal his identity so win the public over and to try and prevent those things you cited (which of course will still happen) and Peter, who thanks to JMS, is ever Iron Man's sidekick (read: lap dog) and respond with a "Sure thing, boss" (cue simultaneous people doing their best redition of Darth Vader's "NOOOOOOOOO!)? It very likey could be "D," but unfortunately, I think all the signs are pointing to "A.":mad:Still, there is always hope, no matter how faint.

Here's the rest of the questions if your interested: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8271144&postcount=1

[supermarvelman]

I think it will either be DD , or SM

I'd prefer it to be SM though, JJJ a reporter, but how dumb can he be that he's never figured it out that Pete's SM. After all these years I say SM should reveal his identity and it should become permnent.

[Captivated]

Well... since Iron Man is arguing with the rest of the Illuminati, to come out right away, in favor of registration... I gotta say, it must be Iron Man. I can't see Peter doing it willingly... not that it won't happen as "predicted" which will be pretty huge.

What is confusing, is that this meeting must have happened before he and Peter went to Washington. So, he recruited Peter AFTER he gave that little speech... but, yet he implyed to Peter that he was against it, and was going to try to stop it. May-be that was because he knows there WILL be division and destruction, because his attempt to unite the heroes in the Illuminati was unsuccessfull.

And I seriously don't see how anyone in their right mind, who has an inkling of what the character is about, can think giving Spidey a permanent PUBLIC ID is a GOOD thing. *shudder*

[stillanerd]

Well... since Iron Man is arguing with the rest of the Illuminati, to come out right away, in favor of registration... I gotta say, it must be Iron Man.

Like I said, we can always hope. Although Iron Man JUST got his secret ID back after it was already exposed to the world. Even one of the senators refers him as the "former Iron Man."

What is confusing, is that this meeting must have happened before he and Peter went to Washington. So, he recruited Peter AFTER he gave that little speech... but, yet he implyed to Peter that he was against it, and was going to try to stop it. May-be that was because he knows there WILL be division and destruction, because his attempt to unite the heroes in the Illuminati was unsuccessfull.

Technically, he's not really in favor of registration--He's simply taking advantage of the political situation in order to beat the politicians at their own game. He probably believes he can kill the act by arguing against it as Tony Stark while at the same time publicly support it as Iron Man, meaning that if he earns the public trust before hand, then the act looses public support as well. Of course what happens at Stamford will cause the act to pass, thus forcing Tony to choose the lesser of two evils. Better to have his dream of a large-scale superhero group be sanctioned by a government bureacracy than have one that considered a vigilante organization (although he'd prefer that the heroes run it themselves, I'm sure.)

And I seriously don't see how anyone in their right mind, who has an inkling of what the character is about, can think giving Spidey a permanent PUBLIC ID is a GOOD thing. *shudder*

You and me both (although it would be interesting--hmm, coincidence that JMS has a six-part "Civil War" tie-in coming up in the Spider-Man books? Maybe HE'LL be the one to have Spidey's ID public...typical.)

[supermarvelman]

I'm not saying it's Good thing for him but, it just makes for new GOOD stories.

I have more than just an Inkling of what a character is about.

You probably think I'm retarded but i like ALL the changes that have been made to Spidey lately.

[stillanerd]

I'm not saying it's Good thing for him but, it just makes for new GOOD stories.

If told right, yes. However, I just think that it would be a hell of mess to try and get Spidey's secret ID back, barring the "I was working for Tony as a Spider-Man but not THE Spider-Man" theory. After all, if Marvel has learned ANYTHING from the Clone Saga, it's that you can make all the changes you want--as long as you have a back-up plan to rectify it should things go wrong.

I have more than just an Inkling of what a character is about.
I think Captivated was refering to guys like JMS and Joe Q at Marvel more than yourself.

You probably think I'm retarded but i like ALL the changes that have been made to Spidey lately.

No, just a little misguided, although your heart is in the right place. :)

[supermarvelman]

Cool

[Captivated]

Technically, he's not really in favor of registration--He's simply taking advantage of the political situation in order to beat the politicians at their own game. He probably believes he can kill the act by arguing against it as Tony Stark while at the same time publicly support it as Iron Man, meaning that if he earns the public trust before hand, then the act looses public support as well. Of course what happens at Stamford will cause the act to pass, thus forcing Tony to choose the lesser of two evils. Better to have his dream of a large-scale superhero group be sanctioned by a government bureacracy than have one that considered a vigilante organization (although he'd prefer that the heroes run it themselves, I'm sure.) Hmm, could be. Have you read the Illuminati yet?

[Norman Osborn]

yay me.....got my comics today instead of Monday... :) .....already read Illuminatti twice, DD83 And the Fantastic Four.....some thoughts about Civil WAr

1/ Is it just me or does the characterization of Namor seem a bit peculiar?......he's defending the Hulk as if they were friends...or anything less than the bitter enemies they were....and on the flipside seems to want Iron Man dead....not sure I ever remember he and Iron Man being that volatile?

2/ I know comic books have to stretch the boundaries of "dis"belief.....but isn't it just too coincidental that:

a) The government is lobbying heavily for the Superhero Registration Act to ensure culpability, weeks before a new super team causes the deaths of countless innocents?
b) That Iron Man actually predicts this accident happening and further predicts trouble to befall Spidey (which evidence suggests it will)...

...add to that the fact that Iron Man is telling Spidey one thing and the Illuminatti another and am I the only person left with the premonition that it'll be Iron Man's character that suffers the greatest damage from "Civil War" when all is said and done......a heel turn worked quite well for the Captain America series....who knows.......yeah you're right...it's a stretch

3/ I don't think it's a case of whether or not Spidey goes public....I think that's a given...I think the real question is how well Marvel puts everything back together....it's obvious Spidey will not remain outed....why?

....In my opinion, no superhero identifies more with a costume than Spider-man.....why in bloody hell would he wear it (contrived scenarios aside) if everyone knows who he is??.....Pete's spent the better half of the past 43 years (Comic Years) *****ing and complaining about it being too itchy or hating to wash it or hide it...blah blah blah.......he's now all of a sudden gonna wear it unnecessarily because of nostalgia??.......of course not....things will go back to the way they were....and as long as the character isn't damaged (looks at JMS) by how it returns to normal....or the method used doesn't insult the collective intellect of gardening tools....I'm fine with it... :up:

Ok that's all......I'm really hyped for this "Civil War"....I'm begging you Marvel...make me a "True Believer" again :up:

[stillanerd]

...add to that the fact that Iron Man is telling Spidey one thing and the Illuminatti another and am I the only person left with the premonition that it'll be Iron Man's character that suffers the greatest damage from "Civil War" when all is said and done

No. I've got one too. In fact, I think the answer to this question from Wizard:

6. Civil War brings out the dark side of one hero. Which one will restort to brutal torture?
A) Black Panther
B) Dr. Strange
C) Iron Man
D) Namor

could very well be C.

Hmm, could be. Have you read the Illuminati yet?

Not entirely. However, seeing how Tony Stark argues against registration in ASM #530 and this page that first showed up in Fantastic Four #536:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0603/22/ff5365.jpg

it's not that difficult to see what Tony is up to. (You can chalk it up to me being cheap :))

[moffball]

stillanerd, great explanation on the Tony/IM thing, I was confused about that too. You seem to know a thing or two about IM, would you mind recounting his recent history? I'm not exactly clear on if he is a public or private superhero. For some reason I thought his identity was known. Thanks :)

Illuminati was very well done, I don't think there's any doubting that. I'm psyched for Civil War, completely. It seems like it's going to be very intelligent, thoughtful, and riveting. And, unlike Crisis, I'll actually know most of the characters :)

[SpideyInATree]

Madgoblin says that Millar has worked with the Spider-Fan.org people to get his continuity right, in the past.

Maybe this mini will correct some ridiculous continuity glitches in recent memory.

HA! Wishful thinking. Millar seems to need independant citizens not working for Marvel to help him with his continuity, and his editor is obviously out to lunch, so Civil War will just be lucky enough to get it's basic ideas continuity-correct.

God, I'm such a pessimist now since Quesada's reign has produced a Peter Parker that makes me wish Ben Reilly ended up being the real deal, Peter moved to Oregon permanently and he turns to Ashes after MJ HAD baby May.

Now THAT would have been cool! I cannot consider this weak short term memory stinger-man as Peter Parker the Spectacular Spider-Man.

thanks for the rant.

Are you faulting Millar for going to Spiderfan.org for his information? :confused:

No offense or anything but Spiderfan.org is a very excellent resource to research Spider-Man material without having to constantly dip into your back issues.

Not to mention the fact that Millar is a very continuity based writer. Remember his Marvel Knights Spider-Man run? While I felt his story fell very flat at the end he still did write a fun Spider-Man story. One that had strong continuity and even had the name "Ben Reilly" mentioned in a comic book without a joke being put at the end.

Not to mention that Millar has been having health problems and is doing Civil War because it was a chance he couldn't pass up doing.

Disregard this if you weren't faulting Millar. But it sounds like you were faulting Millar because he was using a Spider-Man fan website to research his material.

When I'm writing Spider-Man stories I always use Spiderfan.org to research certain characters. And if a comic book professional is using it...that's awesome. :o

[stillanerd]

stillanerd, great explanation on the Tony/IM thing, I was confused about that too. You seem to know a thing or two about IM, would you mind recounting his recent history? I'm not exactly clear on if he is a public or private superhero. For some reason I thought his identity was known. Thanks :)

Well, technically, his identity is still known, but it's still secret. Let me explain:

See, at one time, Tony Stark learned that the United States military was still using his tecnology, so in order to have more direct control over how they were using it, he accepted President Bush's offer to become Secretary of State and in the process, publicly disclosed he was Iron Man. Unfortunately, thanks to The Scarlet Witch's wacky reality-warping powers, Tony looked like he was off the wagon and personally insulted the Latverian ambassador and was forced to resign in disgrace. This and the events of Avengers: Disassembled made Tony publicly announce he was no longer Iron Man, but would give the job to somebody else (actually, he still remained Iron Man but went back to his previous cover that "Iron Man" was Tony's own personal bodyguard). Hence why the Senator at the hearing for the Superbeing Registration Act refered to Tony as "the former Iron Man."

Of course, I'm sure you're aware of the New Avengers: well that was Tony's idea, too--which makes sense since Tony was one of the Avengers original founders and, in hindsight, was most likely phase one of his plan to have a large scale superhero group to combat global threats. Also, in his own series, he fought a guy named Mallus and was forced to infect himself with a technological virus (which was also the source of Mallus' powers) to prevent himself from being killed. As a result, part of Tony's armor merged with his own body. So now, he has the ability to "sweat out" (for lack of a better term) the inner layer of his Iron Man armor to make it become a second skin; the outer layer--which are the repulsor gloves, the jet boots, breastplate, and helmet--he can mentally control (making it easier for him to put them on). Likewise, he can also mentally connect to any electronic system, including computers, cell phones, the internet, satellites, your TV, etc. Yeah, it's a little weird, but cool at the same time.

For a more information, check out this entry on Iron Man from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man)

[supermarvelman]

His new upgrades remind me of the character from Duck Tales back in the day.

Scrooges nephew.

[stillanerd]

His new upgrades remind me of the character from Duck Tales back in the day.

Scrooges nephew.

You mean GizmoDuck? I think he was Scrooge's accountant (man I really am a nerd.)

[supermarvelman]

So am I

[supermarvelman]

Gizmo Duck ****in rocked.
He was his nephew and his accountant.
What was the other guys name, Scrooges arch nemisis

Blatherin Blatherskites

[stillanerd]

Flintheart Glomgold :)

[supermarvelman]

That doesn't ring a bell but oh well.

The OG nintendo game kicked ass.

[3dman27]

we now return to coverage of the superhero civil war

[supermarvelman]

Well nobody has been putting in the 2 cents.

But yes lets get back on topic.

Why dont you start 3dman.

[CaptainStacy]

Well, technically, his identity is still known, but it's still secret. Let me explain:

See, at one time, Tony Stark learned that the United States military was still using his tecnology, so in order to have more direct control over how they were using it, he accepted President Bush's offer to become Secretary of State and in the process, publicly disclosed he was Iron Man. Unfortunately, thanks to The Scarlet Witch's wacky reality-warping powers, Tony looked like he was off the wagon and personally insulted the Latverian ambassador and was forced to resign in disgrace. This and the events of Avengers: Disassembled made Tony publicly announce he was no longer Iron Man, but would give the job to somebody else (actually, he still remained Iron Man but went back to his previous cover that "Iron Man" was Tony's own personal bodyguard). Hence why the Senator at the hearing for the Superbeing Registration Act refered to Tony as "the former Iron Man."

Of course, I'm sure you're aware of the New Avengers: well that was Tony's idea, too--which makes sense since Tony was one of the Avengers original founders and, in hindsight, was most likely phase one of his plan to have a large scale superhero group to combat global threats. Also, in his own series, he fought a guy named Mallus and was forced to infect himself with a technological virus (which was also the source of Mallus' powers) to prevent himself from being killed. As a result, part of Tony's armor merged with his own body. So now, he has the ability to "sweat out" (for lack of a better term) the inner layer of his Iron Man armor to make it become a second skin; the outer layer--which are the repulsor gloves, the jet boots, breastplate, and helmet--he can mentally control (making it easier for him to put them on). Likewise, he can also mentally connect to any electronic system, including computers, cell phones, the internet, satellites, your TV, etc. Yeah, it's a little weird, but cool at the same time.

For a more information, check out this entry on Iron Man from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man)


Yeah, i saw that issue where Tony is now able to "see" virtualy anywhere on the planet via satellite hook up.

That's wild.

[supermarvelman]

That is *****in

[3dman27]

i wonder what iron fist is going to do he'd retired after unintentionally casing a bystanders death in the first issue of his last miniseiries i lost track of it after that what happpend to him?

[moffball]

Stillanered, thanks, that definitely clears things up :D

Are you faulting Millar for going to Spiderfan.org for his information? :confused:

I know my person reaction is that it's awesome Millar is doing the footwork to get things right, but it's absolutely ridiculous that he should have to. This, more than anything else, shows how poor the editorial department at Marvel must be if a writer has to go to a fan site to make sure his information is up to date. Shouldn't Marvel Comics be the number 1 source for all things Marvel? Shouldn't they have in their employ editors who know a character's history forwards and backwards so that their writers don't have to go to fans for information? Great that Millar did his homework, apalling that he had to do it.

[stillanerd]

Stillanered, thanks, that definitely clears things up :D
You're welcome.

I know my person reaction is that it's awesome Millar is doing the footwork to get things right, but it's absolutely ridiculous that he should have to. This, more than anything else, shows how poor the editorial department at Marvel must be if a writer has to go to a fan site to make sure his information is up to date. Shouldn't Marvel Comics be the number 1 source for all things Marvel? Shouldn't they have in their employ editors who know a character's history forwards and backwards so that their writers don't have to go to fans for information? Great that Millar did his homework, apalling that he had to do it.

Nothing wrong with fan sites, but you definately make a good point. Seeing how Marvel owns characters like Spider-Man, one would think they'd have a database as extensive as spiderfan.org for all their properties just to get their facts straight. After all, a fan site CAN make mistakes too, especially since they are outsiders who are not usually privy to all the ins and outs of a comic book company. And, considering how Marvel does publish an Official Guide to the Marvel Universe every year, one would think that they were up to date. Problem is though that most writers don't like continuity because they rather get on with telling stories rather than having to do research beforehand, which is part of the reason behind DC's Crisis on Infinite Earths, Marvel's Ultimate line, and the constant need of revamping by both companies--a desire to start over from stracth rather than build upon what has come before.

[Calcinator]

edited to add: And DD 83
Is that felicia's breast size?

[supermarvelman]

83 wholly crap, she would have a huge back if that was the case

[Calcinator]

Haahah yea that would be disturbing actually

[The Geek Vault]

I just read the Illuminati Special...

If done properly, this could be one of the BEST inter-Marvel cross-overs ever told. :o

:) Is the Illuminati a one shot issue?

[Themanofbat]

Is the Illuminati a one shot issue?

Yes... it came out just this past Wednesday.

:)

[cart1]

I just read the Illuminili and Fantastc Four 536,Both Issues were great and if done right this Civil war could be a great crossover,Im relly looking fowerd to it now that and Planet Hulk.I been hearing some Changes is going to happen to FF with 2 FF dead,I wonder when thats going to happen

[ragingdemon155]

Hearing some good things about the Illuminati Special, might consider picking it up now. Left it on the stands mostly due to the fact that I'm cheap but oh well.

Anyway, the Civil War event sounds very very interesting. Hopefully Marvel gets this event done right. Millar really seems to be taking it seriouslly which is a good sign.

[shinlyle]

I picked up the Illuminati special last week, simply because the owner of my LCS said that it was a damn good read.

He was right.

When you read it, and you see how the different members of the group react to certain situations, you get a real feel as to where the chips are going to fall. I think Namor actually comes across as the strongest member of the group...literally and figuratively.

[OtepApe]

I picked up mine on the suggestion of my comic book guy, he said it was awesome.

I gotta admit I enjoyed it. I odn't think it was awesome, but I do think it was a good read and did it's job in getting me that much more pumped for Civil War. It actually made me look forward to it, and interested to see the fate of all the characters, as things we can't imagine could happen.

Although the one thing I can imagine happening, is something I don't want happening at all.

At the very least, I am there for the main mini, just not all the tie ins etc

[shinlyle]

I picked up mine on the suggestion of my comic book guy, he said it was awesome.

I gotta admit I enjoyed it. I odn't think it was awesome, but I do think it was a good read and did it's job in getting me that much more pumped for Civil War. It actually made me look forward to it, and interested to see the fate of all the characters, as things we can't imagine could happen.

Although the one thing I can imagine happening, is something I don't want happening at all.

At the very least, I am there for the main mini, just not all the tie ins etc

Yeah, I'm not buying the tie-ins on this one. I'll by the main mini, and MAYBE, pending word-of-mouth reviews of it, the Civil War: Frontline book by Paul Jenkins. Even then...it's only because its Paul Jenkins...and I still doubt I'll end up getting it, seeing as how it's bi-weekly, and it's 12 issues. Too much $$$!!

[OtepApe]

Yeah, I'm not buying the tie-ins on this one. I'll by the main mini, and MAYBE, pending word-of-mouth reviews of it, the Civil War: Frontline book by Paul Jenkins. Even then...it's only because its Paul Jenkins...and I still doubt I'll end up getting it, seeing as how it's bi-weekly, and it's 12 issues. Too much $$$!!

I like a lot of Jenkins' work, but I am not sure about Frontline. I don't want to buy into this too much incase I don't like it, then I will be mad at myself for wasting money on it.

I suppose it does depend on how I like the main mini, if that's up to scratch, then maybe I may check out Frontline.

[shinlyle]

I like a lot of Jenkins' work, but I am not sure about Frontline. I don't want to buy into this too much incase I don't like it, then I will be mad at myself for wasting money on it.

I suppose it does depend on how I like the main mini, if that's up to scratch, then maybe I may check out Frontline.


Yeah...I'm going to hold on and see what we get from the main storyline. I mean, Millar and McNiven are both impressive, and seeing them on a book together should be impressive....so I'm hoping this sotryline will be equally impressive.

So long as they lock Joe Q., JMS, and Bendis out of the room, it should turn out great.

[OtepApe]

Yeah...I'm going to hold on and see what we get from the main storyline. I mean, Millar and McNiven are both impressive, and seeing them on a book together should be impressive....so I'm hoping this sotryline will be equally impressive.

So long as they lock Joe Q., JMS, and Bendis out of the room, it should turn out great.

Well when I heard Millar and McNiven were the team behind it, I became more interested and my mind became at ease a little more. But then when I heard about this thing involving Spidey, that's when things became a littlw worrying.

I like the basic premise behind the story, and think it could lead to some interesting stories, I am just unsure as to how Spidey will fit in, and how he will emerge from it.

[ragingdemon155]

Well when I heard Millar and McNiven were the team behind it, I became more interested and my mind became at ease a little more. But then when I heard about this thing involving Spidey, that's when things became a littlw worrying.

I like the basic premise behind the story, and think it could lead to some interesting stories, I am just unsure as to how Spidey will fit in, and how he will emerge from it.

The only problem I have with this storyline is the fact that, didn't we just get over "House of M"? I mean, come on now. That was supposed to be a big event that shaped the entire Marvel Universe and two seconds later we have the Civil War tossed at us.

Just hoping that somehow at the end of this arc, Spidey will get rid of that god awful suit.

[OtepApe]

The only problem I have with this storyline is the fact that, didn't we just get over "House of M"? I mean, come on now. That was supposed to be a big event that shaped the entire Marvel Universe and two seconds later we have the Civil War tossed at us.

Just hoping that somehow at the end of this arc, Spidey will get rid of that god awful suit.

That's how Marvel is, they seem to think they need these "earth shattering events". To a certain extent they do. Over at DC, they have showed Marvel how to put on a company wide crossover and make it work.

As far as I heard from Marvel, they are all supposed to be tied together (yeah right), and that next year there will be another crossover as a result of "Civil War". As far as I have heard anyway.

I don't like these company wide crossovers all the time, but I am willing to give it a chance. With Civil War, I am doing this for my enjoyment of Millar's and McNiven's work.

And I also hope that Iron Spidey will be a stain that will be removed ver, very quickly myself.

[ragingdemon155]

That's how Marvel is, they seem to think they need these "earth shattering events". To a certain extent they do. Over at DC, they have showed Marvel how to put on a company wide crossover and make it work.

As far as I heard from Marvel, they are all supposed to be tied together (yeah right), and that next year there will be another crossover as a result of "Civil War". As far as I have heard anyway.

I don't like these company wide crossovers all the time, but I am willing to give it a chance. With Civil War, I am doing this for my enjoyment of Millar's and McNiven's work.

And I also hope that Iron Spidey will be a stain that will be removed ver, very quickly myself.

Millar and McNiven is a highlight for this series. I agree on that. Still though, with all the constant changes that the character of Spider-man has been going through....I'm worried that he's in store for another HUGE change after this. I'm really hoping that Spidey's ID doesn't go public after this is over.

[stillanerd]

Here's a question I asked Tom Brevoort on the "Civil War Questions" thread on the CBR Forums:


Does the "shocking moment" that Spider-Man commits involve a mask?

His answer?


Don't most of them?

Read that how you will.

[shinlyle]

Well when I heard Millar and McNiven were the team behind it, I became more interested and my mind became at ease a little more. But then when I heard about this thing involving Spidey, that's when things became a littlw worrying.

I like the basic premise behind the story, and think it could lead to some interesting stories, I am just unsure as to how Spidey will fit in, and how he will emerge from it.

I don't like how Spidey seems to be in danger here....but I do like it when he's the focal point. Most Marvel events have him as a very meaningless supporting character (House of M, Onslaught, anything), and it's good to see him as a central character in the Marvel Universe.

I'm just tired of drastic changes. We are just getting used to all the bulls*** from House of M and adjusting to the amount of mutants being decreased substantially (although it's hard to tell), we've just been handed the worst Spidey-story ever, and now there's more change in store for the Marvel Universe and Spider-Man.

I need a vacation. So does Spidey.

[OtepApe]

I don't like how Spidey seems to be in danger here....but I do like it when he's the focal point. Most Marvel events have him as a very meaningless supporting character (House of M, Onslaught, anything), and it's good to see him as a central character in the Marvel Universe.

I'm just tired of drastic changes. We are just getting used to all the bulls*** from House of M and adjusting to the amount of mutants being decreased substantially (although it's hard to tell), we've just been handed the worst Spidey-story ever, and now there's more change in store for the Marvel Universe and Spider-Man.

I need a vacation. So does Spidey.

Yeah, I have been saying it for a while. Just some simple Spidey stories, that focus on him and his way of life. I don't want anymore drastic changes, especially if this is the quality that we are getting.

It's nice to see him being in the spotlight (even though he is Marvel's most famous character and it's long overdue), but with the way I think they are going, damn if I don't hate this more then anything to ever happen in a comic book.

[shinlyle]

Yeah, I have been saying it for a while. Just some simple Spidey stories, that focus on him and his way of life. I don't want anymore drastic changes, especially if this is the quality that we are getting.

It's nice to see him being in the spotlight (even though he is Marvel's most famous character and it's long overdue), but with the way I think they are going, damn if I don't hate this more then anything to ever happen in a comic book.

I'd just be happy to see one of those old stories where Spidey is in a mad rush to get to a Peter Parker event, and he keeps bumping into supervillians, which forces him to be late, and catch hell for it.

Yeah, it's been done, but it's always funny, and Spider-Man wouldn't have to stab anyone with a stinger or eat their head, or get a new costume...

[MaxCarnage]

I'd just be happy to see one of those old stories where Spidey is in a mad rush to get to a Peter Parker event, and he keeps bumping into supervillians, which forces him to be late, and catch hell for it.

Yeah, it's been done, but it's always funny, and Spider-Man wouldn't have to stab anyone with a stinger or eat their head, or get a new costume...

Yeah, to see Spidey fighting one of his old-school villains again, without any crazy personality alterations or serious problems weighing him down, would be awesome.

[OtepApe]

I'd just be happy to see one of those old stories where Spidey is in a mad rush to get to a Peter Parker event, and he keeps bumping into supervillians, which forces him to be late, and catch hell for it.

Yeah, it's been done, but it's always funny, and Spider-Man wouldn't have to stab anyone with a stinger or eat their head, or get a new costume...

You and me both dude. I have been wanting that sort of story for a while now. I am tired of the life changing events, because they are crap and if they happen all the time then they are less special.

Spidey is a totally different character nowadays, with a totally different feel to his world. Gone are the days of Spidey being an everyman. Gone are the days when you could imagine yourself as Spidey. Gone are the days of just sitting down and enjoying a great Spidey read, without having to worry about what people are going to do next to rape a character who has been around for over 40 years.

[Electro UK]

You and me both dude. I have been wanting that sort of story for a while now. I am tired of the life changing events, because they are crap and if they happen all the time then they are less special.

Spidey is a totally different character nowadays, with a totally different feel to his world. Gone are the days of Spidey being an everyman. Gone are the days when you could imagine yourself as Spidey. Gone are the days of just sitting down and enjoying a great Spidey read, without having to worry about what people are going to do next to rape a character who has been around for over 40 years.

Yeah, too true. Ever since Sins Past there really hasn't been a solict that hasn't said something like "Plus: This issue will change Peter's life forever!" (okay not every solict but a damn big number of em), No one wants Peter's life to changed forever. We liked Spider-man the way he was.

He was unique, web slinging, spider-sense, stick to walls was all fantastic stuff. Nowhe hardly web swings and he doesn't need a Spider-sense because his armour is taking all the hits for him. I want it to stop! I want to read a Spider-man story where he'll face some classic villains with witty comments and ship em back off to jail.

What I don't want is stories where Peter's powers change, Peter dies, Peter gets a sucky new costume, Peter fights some impossible to beat villain and spends all the time thinking in his head and not saying a word.

Where were the jokes on Morlun (oh I'm sorry... there was the one Stephen Segal joke) and the Sinister 12 or the Green Goblin in the last few arcs etc?

Another thing that's really starting to get on my nerves is how the Spider-man titles are almost like more Avengers books now. Iron Man might as well have his name shoved right under "The Amazing Spider-man". This is a spidey title, not a Spider-man and friends title. He can't get through one fight without help from and Avenger or wishing that an Avenger were there to help him at the moment.

I could rant on for so much longer... when is Dan Slott going to clean ASM up? :(

[shinlyle]

Yeah, too true. Ever since Sins Past there really hasn't been a solict that hasn't said something like "Plus: This issue will change Peter's life forever!" (okay not every solict but a damn big number of em), No one wants Peter's life to changed forever. We liked Spider-man the way he was.

He was unique, web slinging, spider-sense, stick to walls was all fantastic stuff. Nowhe hardly web swings and he doesn't need a Spider-sense because his armour is taking all the hits for him. I want it to stop! I want to read a Spider-man story where he'll face some classic villains with witty comments and ship em back off to jail.

What I don't want is stories where Peter's powers change, Peter dies, Peter gets a sucky new costume, Peter fights some impossible to beat villain and spends all the time thinking in his head and not saying a word.

Where were the jokes on Morlun (oh I'm sorry... there was the one Stephen Segal joke) and the Sinister 12 or the Green Goblin in the last few arcs etc?

Another thing that's really starting to get on my nerves is how the Spider-man titles are almost like more Avengers books now. Iron Man might as well have his name shoved right under "The Amazing Spider-man". This is a spidey title, not a Spider-man and friends title. He can't get through one fight without help from and Avenger or wishing that an Avenger were there to help him at the moment.

I could rant on for so much longer... when is Dan Slott going to clean ASM up? :(

I'm just hoping that Jeph Loeb takes over on ASM(that's the rumor) and JMs gets booted the hell out. If that were to happen, Spidey were to leave/get kicked off of the Avengers, and the Iron Spidey suit leaves and the past 3 years of ASM gets retconned...then Spidey may get good again.

[Electro UK]

I'm just hoping that Jeph Loeb takes over on ASM(that's the rumor) and JMs gets booted the hell out. If that were to happen, Spidey were to leave/get kicked off of the Avengers, and the Iron Spidey suit leaves and the past 3 years of ASM gets retconned...then Spidey may get good again.

Yeah, its a long check list, but its all the hope we have at the moment. I haven't read much Loeb, but I'm REALLY hoping he's great on Ultimates 3. That book has been stunning. I'm happy to leave PAD on FNSM, I'm sure once this Iron crap is out of the way the book'll pick up. If Loeb does get ASM, then I want Slott on Sensational. If not, I'd still love for Slott to get ASM and Fabian Nicieza to get Sensational.

The last time I've enjoyed a Spider-man appearance was in Cable and Deadpool 24. I just really got the feel of classic Peter just from that appearance. Given a title, Fabian'd know how to set things straight :up:

[OtepApe]

Yeah, too true. Ever since Sins Past there really hasn't been a solict that hasn't said something like "Plus: This issue will change Peter's life forever!" (okay not every solict but a damn big number of em), No one wants Peter's life to changed forever. We liked Spider-man the way he was.

He was unique, web slinging, spider-sense, stick to walls was all fantastic stuff. Nowhe hardly web swings and he doesn't need a Spider-sense because his armour is taking all the hits for him. I want it to stop! I want to read a Spider-man story where he'll face some classic villains with witty comments and ship em back off to jail.

What I don't want is stories where Peter's powers change, Peter dies, Peter gets a sucky new costume, Peter fights some impossible to beat villain and spends all the time thinking in his head and not saying a word.

Where were the jokes on Morlun (oh I'm sorry... there was the one Stephen Segal joke) and the Sinister 12 or the Green Goblin in the last few arcs etc?

Another thing that's really starting to get on my nerves is how the Spider-man titles are almost like more Avengers books now. Iron Man might as well have his name shoved right under "The Amazing Spider-man". This is a spidey title, not a Spider-man and friends title. He can't get through one fight without help from and Avenger or wishing that an Avenger were there to help him at the moment.

I could rant on for so much longer... when is Dan Slott going to clean ASM up? :(

I hear ya dude.

That's the one thing that bothered me most when Spidey became an Avenger. If I didn't want to read Spidey being an Avenger, then I wouldn't rea New Avengers, simple as that. But's it not as simple as that is it? Oh no, instead we get it in every Spidey title now. Have it forced down our throats just so we accept it. There's a reason I don't read Iron Man. Wanna know what that reason is? Because I couldn't give two s*its about Iron Man.

I may have the character grow on me a little, if he were being invloved in something good. But he's not, he's invloved in arguably the worst period on Spidey history.

I'm just hoping that Jeph Loeb takes over on ASM(that's the rumor) and JMs gets booted the hell out. If that were to happen, Spidey were to leave/get kicked off of the Avengers, and the Iron Spidey suit leaves and the past 3 years of ASM gets retconned...then Spidey may get good again

I would accept anyone taking over ASM at the moment, just for JMS to get the hell out of there. I have enjoyed a lot of Jeph Loebs work in the past, and Spider-man: Blue is up there as one of my favourite Spidey stories ever. JSC is a guy I have wanted to draw Spidey interiors for ages. He's always been on my list, always.

I really feel those two can bring a new era into Spider-man. I would accept them on any book, but I would give anything for them to come and save us on ASM.

[shinlyle]

I hear ya dude.

That's the one thing that bothered me most when Spidey became an Avenger. If I didn't want to read Spidey being an Avenger, then I wouldn't rea New Avengers, simple as that. But's it not as simple as that is it? Oh no, instead we get it in every Spidey title now. Have it forced down our throats just so we accept it. There's a reason I don't read Iron Man. Wanna know what that reason is? Because I couldn't give two s*its about Iron Man.

I may have the character grow on me a little, if he were being invloved in something good. But he's not, he's invloved in arguably the worst period on Spidey history.



I would accept anyone taking over ASM at the moment, just for JMS to get the hell out of there. I have enjoyed a lot of Jeph Loebs work in the past, and Spider-man: Blue is up there as one of my favourite Spidey stories ever. JSC is a guy I have wanted to draw Spidey interiors for ages. He's always been on my list, always.

I really feel those two can bring a new era into Spider-man. I would accept them on any book, but I would give anything for them to come and save us on ASM.


Same here as far as Iron Man goes. I really have never been a big Iron Man fan. He's had some great stories, but the character never really appealed to me. Also, he isn't s odamn cool that he should get a recurring role in EVERY Spider-Man monthly. It's annoying.

As for JSC on Amazing....I can't wait. A "superstar" artist on Marvel's flagship title?! Who would've thunk it?! Why it took Marvel this long to get him ont he interior artwork is beyond me. He drew some of the sweetest Spidey covers in the past few years! I didn't complain at first because we had JRJR...and then I didn't complain because we had Mike Deodato Jr.....well, now we have Ron Garney...who isn't bad, but he is nowhere near the caliber or artist that his predecessors are. ASM should ALWAYS be the place to find the best artists in the biz.....and the best writers.

[OtepApe]

Yeah, I was hoping for Hitch to be honest. But I am more then happy with a guy like JSC. No offense to Garney, but we do need superstar artists on Spidey's flagship title. He the best the industry have to offer and he's not really been getting that. I am sorry to JMS fans, but to me he is nowhere near the best the comics industry has to offer.

Am I right in saying he has tried to add a deeper meaning to the F4's accident??? I don't know for sure as I don't read it, but that's what I heard?

[Trebor]

Hi there - I'm new to the boards here, but I really wanted to add my thoughts to this Civil War thread.

Let me preface this with a little back story on me - I just got back into reading comics after a 20 year hiatus and the comic that brought be back was Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman #1. So, forgive me for not being up to date with all the continuity and storylines leading up to this point in time. With that said, here are my impressions of Spider-Man and how he will relate to the Civil War.

First off, I think Iron Man is setting up Spidey to be the fall guy/scapegoat for the entire Civil War and I believe the Iron Spidey suit will play a big part in this. Based off of what I'm reading in this thread, Iron Man can control anything of a mechanical nature - well, the Iron Spidey suit is of a mechanical nature, if you catch my drift. The 2.0 version of the suit has the ability to be camoflauged, so imagine if on national television Spidey's suit suddenly went invisible, against his will, revealing his face and thus his secret ID.

Plus, being that Tony Stark developed the Iron Spidey suit, one has to guess that he installed certain... safeguards... to prevent the suit's wearer from ever turning against the suit's maker. This would force Spidey to abandon the suit if him and Tony Stark ended up on opposite sides of the war - which if Tony betray's Peter, they most certainly would be.

Lastly, the new powers Peter gained from The Other storyline will come into play - as in they are far more powerful then he initially realized leading him to be Iron Man's main threat for the series.

Just my impressions and opinions. I would just think it would be an interesting concept to have Spidey with enhanced spider-like abilities fighting Iron Man, who has the most technologically advanced weapon on Earth. This would be a cool Nature -vs- Technology theme that could come to a head.

[Nebins]

Is it just me or does anyone else hope Spidey looses the new costume?

[MaxCarnage]

Is it just me or does anyone else hope Spidey looses the new costume?

I think most people here do. There are a few vocal exceptions. ;)

[shinlyle]

Is it just me or does anyone else hope Spidey looses the new costume?

Oh...we all hope he loses it....and hopefully, he'll tell Tony where he can stick it.

At least we all know that Spidey will be back in his Red & Blues by the time the third movie comes around.

[stillanerd]

Hi there - I'm new to the boards here, but I really wanted to add my thoughts to this Civil War thread.

Let me preface this with a little back story on me - I just got back into reading comics after a 20 year hiatus and the comic that brought be back was Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman #1. So, forgive me for not being up to date with all the continuity and storylines leading up to this point in time. With that said, here are my impressions of Spider-Man and how he will relate to the Civil War.

First off, I think Iron Man is setting up Spidey to be the fall guy/scapegoat for the entire Civil War and I believe the Iron Spidey suit will play a big part in this. Based off of what I'm reading in this thread, Iron Man can control anything of a mechanical nature - well, the Iron Spidey suit is of a mechanical nature, if you catch my drift. The 2.0 version of the suit has the ability to be camoflauged, so imagine if on national television Spidey's suit suddenly went invisible, against his will, revealing his face and thus his secret ID.

Plus, being that Tony Stark developed the Iron Spidey suit, one has to guess that he installed certain... safeguards... to prevent the suit's wearer from ever turning against the suit's maker. This would force Spidey to abandon the suit if him and Tony Stark ended up on opposite sides of the war - which if Tony betray's Peter, they most certainly would be.

Lastly, the new powers Peter gained from The Other storyline will come into play - as in they are far more powerful then he initially realized leading him to be Iron Man's main threat for the series.

Just my impressions and opinions. I would just think it would be an interesting concept to have Spidey with enhanced spider-like abilities fighting Iron Man, who has the most technologically advanced weapon on Earth. This would be a cool Nature -vs- Technology theme that could come to a head.

Pretty interesting guesses, you've got there, especially the last one...and welcome to the Hype.

[PWN3R]

Spidey is going to start off with Tony, since he works for him, realize what he is doing, then switch sides and costumes.

[stillanerd]

Spidey is going to start off with Tony, since he works for him, realize what he is doing, then switch sides and costumes.

Or, given that the new costume can shape-shift into whatever Peter wants it to look like, there's always the possibility that he keeps it, but it looks like his classic red n' blues rather than the "Iron Spidey" design--at least, that would be the easiest way to "change" costumes and is probably what we're being set up for.

[PWN3R]

Or, given that the new costume can shape-shift into whatever Peter wants it to look like, there's always the possibility that he keeps it, but it looks like his classic red n' blues rather than the "Iron Spidey" design--at least, that would be the easiest way to "change" costumes and is probably what we're being set up for.


Yeah, thats true. I kinda think he is impersonating DD. I doubt it, since it is most likely Iron Fist, but at least it would redeem the suit in a way...

[cart1]

How is the opening shot sketchbook

[SpideyInATree]

The more and more I hear about Civil War and Spider-Man it really looks like he's going to either unmask himself or be forcefully unmasked. And either way it happens I'm pretty excited. This is an aspect of the Spider-Man story that I've wanted to see explored for a really long time.

How would the general public react to Peter Parker being Spider-Man? A regular everyday guy who used to be a photographer and a school teacher who works hard to make his family happy, and selflessly risks his life to save others. It'd be interesting to see how the public would react. Especially JJJ, hahaha!! And what of Robbie Robertson? From what I recall from the Spidey issues WAYYYYY back to when he first appeared and through the years...Robertson has seemed to always suspect Peter is Spidey.

And how will the villains react? Will they get really mad and go after him? Or will they realize their feud against Spider-Man was really just against some guy who was trying to make a difference to the world. Who knows how it could be handled.

But, in ways, Spidey's unmasking almost seems blatantly obvious. And with Quesada's comments about how Spidey will be the character with the most change...it's going to be something huge. And if it ISN'T Spidey being unmasked...well, the only thing that can top that is a death. And it's either MJ or Aunt May.

And either way, I'll be happy. Aunt May should have been dead since ASM # 400. And, in my opinion, Peter should have NEVER married Mary Jane. So, maybe it'll be two birds, one stone type of deal.

But whether it be unmasking or deaths. It'll be exploring facets of the Spidey story that I've been pumped to see for some time now. So, when it comes to Civil War and Spidey...Make Mine Marvel. :up:

[Captivated]

The more and more I hear about Civil War and Spider-Man it really looks like he's going to either unmask himself or be forcefully unmasked. And either way it happens I'm pretty excited. This is an aspect of the Spider-Man story that I've wanted to see explored for a really long time.

How would the general public react to Peter Parker being Spider-Man? A regular everyday guy who used to be a photographer and a school teacher who works hard to make his family happy, and selflessly risks his life to save others. It'd be interesting to see how the public would react. Especially JJJ, hahaha!! Haven't we all fantasized about that... it could be sooo sweet! But... then I realize that it could very well be like driving your car off a cliff to see how far the parts will fly. Cool... for about a nano second, and then... game over.

I got a taste of the satisfaction that could come of certain people finding out who Peter is in MKSM... when one of his high school bullies realizes Peter is Spider-Man, right before Venom breaks his neck. Of course, all MUST be put back to right in the end... Spidey's secret MUST be restored for this to be all's well that end's well... I can't say I have faith, but I do have hope.

And if it ISN'T Spidey being unmasked...well, the only thing that can top that is a death. And it's either MJ or Aunt May.

And either way, I'll be happy. Aunt May should have been dead since ASM # 400. And, in my opinion, Peter should have NEVER married Mary Jane. So, maybe it'll be two birds, one stone type of deal.
See... this is where, to me, you sprout two heads and become a strange alien from planet Noclue. Aunt May should be dead and Peter should be a swinging single... :confused: .... that idea sucks so badly that I just can't comprehend anyone thinking it's good... so alien to me... in fact, it could be part of an evil plot to distroy the earth! :eek:

Kidding aside, I would WAGER that the vast MAJORITY of Spidey fans would HATE that.

[SpideyInATree]

Haven't we all fantasized about that... it could be sooo sweet! But... then I realize that it could very well be like driving your car off a cliff to see how far the parts will fly. Cool... for about a nano second, and then... game over.

I got a taste of the satisfaction that could come of certain people finding out who Peter is in MKSM... when one of his high school bullies realizes Peter is Spider-Man, right before Venom breaks his neck. Of course, all MUST be put back to right in the end... Spidey's secret MUST be restored for this to be all's well that end's well... I can't say I have faith, but I do have hope.


See... this is where, to me, you sprout two heads and become a strange alien from planet Noclue. Aunt May should be dead and Peter should be a swinging single... :confused: .... that idea sucks so badly that I just can't comprehend anyone thinking it's good... so alien to me... in fact, it could be part of an evil plot to distroy the earth! :eek:

Kidding aside, I would WAGER that the vast MAJORITY of Spidey fans would HATE that.

Well, I'm excited about the possible outcomes for Spidey. While not good for him it's good for me because I enjoy a nice exciting story. Nothing is going to change my opinion or my feelings on Mary Jane. Sorry.

And aren't the majority of Spider-Man fans hating whatever happens anyway? Wouldn't be much of a surprise. :o

[OtepApe]

Well, I'm excited about the possible outcomes for Spidey. While not good for him it's good for me because I enjoy a nice exciting story. Nothing is going to change my opinion or my feelings on Mary Jane. Sorry.

And aren't the majority of Spider-Man fans hating whatever happens anyway? Wouldn't be much of a surprise. :o

The initial reveal might make for a nice, exciting story. How many nice, exciting stories can be taken from this? It may be ok for a while, but there's only so far you can take something, and once it's out there, that's it.

I think the vast majority of Spider-man fans are hating whatever comes out at the moment, is because most of what is coming out sucks. If you like that, that's fine, your opinion. However, I am hating most of it because I think it sucks right now, which is my perogitive.

[Norman Osborn]

See... this is where, to me, you sprout two heads and become a strange alien from planet Noclue. Aunt May should be dead and Peter should be a swinging single... :confused: .... that idea sucks so badly that I just can't comprehend anyone thinking it's good... so alien to me... in fact, it could be part of an evil plot to distroy the earth! :eek:

Kidding aside, I would WAGER that the vast MAJORITY of Spidey fans would HATE that.

Well now here's where I have to agree with SIAT.....Aunt May's return was absolutely dreadful....she should have stayed dead.....her coming back was not only painfully orchestrated/contrived (No...it was an actress playing me and you were too $%^&^%$ stupid to realize it) but it devalued ASM 400.....just bad bad bad :(

....now as for his problem with MJ and wanting Pete single....I don't know....hey maybe he has a problem with change?:D ? :)

[Captivated]

Well now here's where I have to agree with SIAT.....Aunt May's return was absolutely dreadful....she should have stayed dead.....her coming back was not only painfully orchestrated/contrived (No...it was an actress playing me and you were too $%^&^%$ stupid to realize it) but it devalued ASM 400.....just bad bad bad :(
I have heard this comment before and it's a head scratcher...

The Aunt May story happened pre-Spidey for me. And while I have been catching up by reading through the 60s, 70s, 80s, along with comics from this century, I have been leery to dive into the 90s. However, the lead up to, and death of Aunt May, are some I have read.

I know that the only reason they killed Aunt May in the FIRST place was because they were putting Peter and MJ on the fast track outta town, and out of the series. Aunt May then served no real purpose, except may-be to hold them back, or keep them coming around, and they couldn't have that... oh no... and she was old, so why not get some emotional mileage out of killing her off... oh what a beautiful story. :mad:

Except the whole foundation for it was crap... recognized for crap... and blessedly undone. I'm talking about Ben R. replacing Peter as Spider-Man, obviously.

NOW there was no need to kill May... in fact, they realized that she was NEEDED. She is a moral compass and a constant reminder of Uncle Ben, which is key to Peter's motivation.

I LOVE her presence in the stories of past several years. She is being written better than ever. The comics would be dimished without her.

Just because a MISTAKE was "beautifully written" and undoing it was botched, doesn't mean it was wrong to undo it!

You know, I hope for a clever recon of Sins Past and The Other... but I will take a convoluted one if it will just put Spidey's world back on track.

[Norman Osborn]

Just because a MISTAKE was "beautifully written" and undoing it was botched, doesn't mean it was wrong to undo it!



Personally I don't think it was a mistake but that's my opinion and nothing more.

As for Aunt May being written well as of late, I agree. But if JMS or any of the current Spider-man writers came to me and guaranteed me that Gwen would be written immaculately, I'd still leave her in the ground.

As for the retcons....I'm still waiting for Pete to wake up at Avengers Tower with the bath tub water running......

[Captivated]

Personally I don't think it was a mistake but that's my opinion and nothing more.

As for Aunt May being written well as of late, I agree. But if JMS or any of the current Spider-man writers came to me and guaranteed me that Gwen would be written immaculately, I'd still leave her in the ground.Well, yeah. But, that's completely different.

As for the retcons....I'm still waiting for Pete to wake up at Avengers Tower with the bath tub water running......Hah! Works for me! :D

[Norman Osborn]

Hah! Works for me! :D

Yeah I picture it much the same as the Family Guy episode where they spoofed Dallas......'cept MJ, with a puzzled look at Pete, will inquire "Whh What's an Iron Spidey??"

[shinlyle]

Yeah I picture it much the same as the Family Guy episode where they spoofed Dallas......'cept MJ, with a puzzled look at Pete, will inquire "Whh What's an Iron Spidey??"

:up: :up:

[Doc Destruction]

And aren't the majority of Spider-Man fans hating whatever happens anyway? Wouldn't be much of a surprise. :o

You know, you try to have a good point, but then you have to act like a little ***** sometimes. This is why people hate on you. Try reading your posts sometimes to see if you sound like a pompous ass. If you do, rewrite them.

It's been said before...the reason we hate the changes we've been given is because they SUCK. If I went back in time 5 years and told myself that these things would be happening to Spider-Man:

1) Gwen Stacy nailed Norman Osborne, they had twins who both become goblins.

2) Spider-Man is the totemic spider god guy.

3) Aunt May and MJ slipped on some Iron Man armor and went back in time.

4) Spidey gets organic shooters.

5) He EATS A MAN'S HEAD OFF.

6) He gets a new suit of armor made by Iron Man. And it flies. (glides, my ass)

7) He dies and is reborn with new powers. TWICE.

8) Uncle Ben shows back up.

I could go on...anyway, I would punch my future self in the head and call him a liar.

Anyone can see that these changes are terrible...come on now.

[shinlyle]

You know, you try to have a good point, but then you have to act like a little ***** sometimes. This is why people hate on you. Try reading your posts sometimes to see if you sound like a pompous ass. If you do, rewrite them.

It's been said before...the reason we hate the changes we've been given is because they SUCK. If I went back in time 5 years and told myself that these things would be happening to Spider-Man:

1) Gwen Stacy nailed Norman Osborne, they had twins who both become goblins.

2) Spider-Man is the totemic spider god guy.

3) Aunt May and MJ slipped on some Iron Man armor and went back in time.

4) Spidey gets organic shooters.

5) He EATS A MAN'S HEAD OFF.

6) He gets a new suit of armor made by Iron Man. And it flies. (glides, my ass)

7) He dies and is reborn with new powers. TWICE.

8) Uncle Ben shows back up.

I could go on...anyway, I would punch my future self in the head and call him a liar.

Anyone can see that these changes are terrible...come on now.

Great post.

Also, Spideyinatree....you do need to come off that high horse of yours sometime, man...

[cart1]

nice interview by him at Newsarama

[SouLeSS]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7f/Marvel_Civil_War_2_Cover_-_McNiven.jpg

Does anyone else love that cover?

[ilovemoney]

re#53:


I thought Namor was right even though he's arrogant

[Red]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7f/Marvel_Civil_War_2_Cover_-_McNiven.jpg

Does anyone else love that cover?

Yes.

[MajinShenron]

I think Ironman will kill Auntmay and Spiderman sends him to jail. He then gets a heart attack and he dies. But they find out the Spiderman and Ironman were clones sent by Dr. Doom.

[Popo 85]

"The initial reveal might make for a nice, exciting story. How many nice, exciting stories can be taken from this? It may be ok for a while, but there's only so far you can take something, and once it's out there, that's it."

Exactly. I'd like to see Jonah's reaction as much as anyone. It would be really funny. And then what about the second arc? That whole dynamic is just gone now. There are certain situations that I just love to see in a Spidey comic, with different spins put on them, but an ID reveal, that's it. Just about every dynamic we had left that JMS hadn't already thrown away would be gone.

And reading through this thread, it seems I have a LOT in common with Captivated, in terms of Spider-Man. A lot more than I thought I did. I think every single post I was going to post as I read through here, was followed up directly by Cap's post of my thoughts. (did that make sense?) ESPECIALLY the Aunt May thing.

But back on topic, I DON'T want Spidey's ID revealed. It doesn't make it that interesting. If anything, it makes the MU less interesting. Because EVERY hero but Spidey has revealed their ID it seems. Spidey still being secret makes his kind of special, sets him apart. It's just kind of cheap and tells for some sloppy stories. Because realistically, if he did reveal his name, a lot more than just "Electro and Sandman" would show up at his door. A swarm of villains, super and regular. Do you know how many people Spidey's put away in the last 40 years? How many plans he's stamped out? It'd be great to see Jameson's reaction, but he'd have to wait. And it'd get boring after a while with all these characters wanting "Revenge." And if they didn't, they'd all be out of character.

Look, GG, Scorpion, Lizard, and the Venom symbiote. That's ALL I want to know. Villain-wise I mean.

But like Cap. said on the first page, Iron Man outline exactly how Civil War will play out, and names Spider-Man as the fall guy to lose his I.D.

So what all happens here? Most of the New Warriors die. Most of Alpha Flight die. And my favorite super hero loses one of the elements that made him so special to me. Oh, and I heard that something real bad, possibly fatal will happen to one or two of the FF, my second favorite comic.

So of course I'm going to complain. I don't want Marvel to go in these directions. BUT, all that aside, I really am looking forward to Civil War.

[SpideyInATree]

The initial reveal might make for a nice, exciting story. How many nice, exciting stories can be taken from this? It may be ok for a while, but there's only so far you can take something, and once it's out there, that's it.

I think the vast majority of Spider-man fans are hating whatever comes out at the moment, is because most of what is coming out sucks. If you like that, that's fine, your opinion. However, I am hating most of it because I think it sucks right now, which is my perogitive.

Glad you agree that it would make a nice exciting story. Now I didn't say for them to keep on going with it. If they do make his ID public I'd almost expect them to have a back door to make it secret again. There are plenty of mystical, magical, and cosmic things going on in the Marvel universe right now that can make his ID secret again.

I've been waiting to see a storyline that deals with this, that is finally not a What If story and is in the Spidey mythos. I don't know what more they can put Spider-Man through during Civil War. They've already had him die earlier this year. So, we can check THAT off the list of things that are going to change him. And since he's supposed to be the character who sees the most change the only option I see is that his ID becomes public.

And the other alternatives? I don't know what could be any bigger than his identity...other than his loved ones. Aunt May or Mary Jane. And we all know how I feel about Mary Jane. It's almost the same as the way many posters hate Sins Past or JMS. :o

[SpideyInATree]

I have heard this comment before and it's a head scratcher...

The Aunt May story happened pre-Spidey for me. And while I have been catching up by reading through the 60s, 70s, 80s, along with comics from this century, I have been leery to dive into the 90s. However, the lead up to, and death of Aunt May, are some I have read.

I know that the only reason they killed Aunt May in the FIRST place was because they were putting Peter and MJ on the fast track outta town, and out of the series. Aunt May then served no real purpose, except may-be to hold them back, or keep them coming around, and they couldn't have that... oh no... and she was old, so why not get some emotional mileage out of killing her off... oh what a beautiful story. :mad:

Except the whole foundation for it was crap... recognized for crap... and blessedly undone. I'm talking about Ben R. replacing Peter as Spider-Man, obviously.

NOW there was no need to kill May... in fact, they realized that she was NEEDED. She is a moral compass and a constant reminder of Uncle Ben, which is key to Peter's motivation.

I LOVE her presence in the stories of past several years. She is being written better than ever. The comics would be dimished without her.

Just because a MISTAKE was "beautifully written" and undoing it was botched, doesn't mean it was wrong to undo it!

You know, I hope for a clever recon of Sins Past and The Other... but I will take a convoluted one if it will just put Spidey's world back on track.

Now...whether or not Aunt May's death had to do with the Clone Saga or not...what is important to remember is the actual issue. I bought that particular issue from the rack and completely brand new. It was an issue that had a huge emotional impact. And then just a few years down the road it's all a bunch of BS. Trust me. It's a disgusting thing that was done and Aunt May still should be gone regardless of what was going on in the story while she died.

I see your point and the logic behind it of why they brought her back. But it was a dumb idea.

Just like it was a dumb idea for JMS to write Sins Past and then tarnish the history of Spider-Man. Much like it was tarnished with Aunt May's death being a hoax. And that was before JMS touched anything Spider-Man.

I never thought Aunt May's death was a mistake. Through all those years of comics from Stan Lee to J.M. DeMatteis...Aunt May was always an old fragile woman with bad health problems. It was only a matter of time.

They've made a lot of mistakes with the characters through the years. When you have so many hands in the pot there is going to be a mess. But sometimes things are better left alone. Like Gwen Stacy. Like Aunt May. Like the Clone Saga.

[CaptainStacy]

Now...whether or not Aunt May's death had to do with the Clone Saga or not...what is important to remember is the actual issue. I bought that particular issue from the rack and completely brand new. It was an issue that had a huge emotional impact. And then just a few years down the road it's all a bunch of BS. Trust me. It's a disgusting thing that was done and Aunt May still should be gone regardless of what was going on in the story while she died.

I see your point and the logic behind it of why they brought her back. But it was a dumb idea.

Just like it was a dumb idea for JMS to write Sins Past and then tarnish the history of Spider-Man. Much like it was tarnished with Aunt May's death being a hoax. And that was before JMS touched anything Spider-Man.

I never thought Aunt May's death was a mistake. Through all those years of comics from Stan Lee to J.M. DeMatteis...Aunt May was always an old fragile woman with bad health problems. It was only a matter of time.

They've made a lot of mistakes with the characters through the years. When you have so many hands in the pot there is going to be a mess. But sometimes things are better left alone. Like Gwen Stacy. Like Aunt May. Like the Clone Saga.

Agreed. The Death Of Aunt May was handled quite well, and should never have been retconned.

I personally think that the role of "doting old biddy" could easily have been filled by MJ's Aunt Anna.

Having Aunt May hanging around Spidey's super pals is just embarassing. It's like when i was in little league baseball and forgot to bring my uniform, and my mom would walk into the locker room and hand it to me in front of everyone, lol.

She needs to get out of Avengers Tower, ASAP. (not my mom, Aunt May.)

In a way, i also kind of hope Peter DOES reveal his secret id to the world. then by stories end, Dr. Strange casts a spell of forgetfullness on the world, and everyone....EVERYONE...loses the knowledge of Peter's alter ego. ESPECIALLY Aunt May.

They could even have MJ forget, and thus end the marriage, if they want (and it sounds like they want)...

Didnt DC do something similar with The Flash a few years back?

[SpideyInATree]

Yeah, DC did do that with Flash. And they put his secret ID back into the bottle. But Flash's secret identity isn't as much of a big deal as Spider-Man's.

Honestly, I'm probably one of the very few who are excited for his identity to be revealed. Because it's about damn time. I'd say Pete has done a fantastic job of keeping a lid on it for this long. :o

Anybody else would have already outed themselves or gotten taken down by a villain and unmasked only after a year.

[cart1]

Febuary 2006:
Amazing Spider-Man #529

March 2006:
Amazing Spider-Man #530
Fantastic Four #536
New Avengers: Illuminati

April 2006:
Amazing Spider-Man #531
Civil War: Opening Shot Sketchbook
Fantastic Four #537

May 2006:
Civil War #1
Marvel Spotlight:Millar/McNiven
Amazing Spider-Man #532
She-Hulk #8
Wolverine #42

June 2006:
Civil War #2
Civil War: Front Line #1 - #2
Amazing Spider-Man #533
Fantastic Four #538
New Avengers #21
Thunderbolts #103
Wolverine #43
X-Factor #8

July 2006:
Civil War #3
Civil War: Front Line #3 - #4
Civil War: X-Men #1
Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways #1
Amazing Spider-Man #534
Black Panther #18
Cable & Deadpool #30
Daily Bugle: Civil War Special Edition
Fantastic Four #539
New Avengers #22
Thunderbolts #104
Wolverine #44
X-Factor #9

August 2006:
Civil War #4
Civil War: Front Line #5 - #6
Civil War: X-Men #2
Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways #2
Amazing Spider-Man #535
Cable & Deadpool #31
Fantastic Four #540
Heroes For Hire #1
Ms. Marvel #6
New Avengers #23
Punisher: War Journal #1
Thunderbolts #105
Wolverine #45

September 2006:
Civil War #5
Civil War: Front Line #7 - #8
Civil War: X-Men #3
Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways #3
Amazing Spider-Man #536
Cable & Deadpool #32
Captain America #22
Fantastic Four #541
Heroes For Hire #2
Ms. Marvel #7
New Avengers #24
Punisher: War Journal #2
Wolverine #46

October 2006:
Civil War #6
Civil War: Front Line #9 - #10
Civil War: X-Men #4
Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways #4
Amazing Spider-Man #537
Captain America #23
Fantastic Four #542
Heroes For Hire #3
Iron Man #13
Ms. Marvel #8
New Avengers #25
Punisher: War Journal #3
Wolverine #47

November 2006:
Civil War #7
Amazing Spider-Man #538
Captain America #24
Fantastic Four #543
Iron Man #14

so you guys can keep track.Less then 1 day:)

[Citizen_Kaine]

Febuary 2006:
Amazing Spider-Man #529

March 2006:
Amazing Spider-Man #530
Fantastic Four #536
New Avengers: Illuminati

April 2006:
Amazing Spider-Man #531
Fantastic Four #537

May 2006:
Civil War #1
Amazing Spider-Man #532

June 2006:
Civil War #2
Civil War: Front Line #1 - #2
Amazing Spider-Man #533
Fantastic Four #538
New Avengers #21
Thunderbolts #103

July 2006:
Civil War #3
Civil War: Front Line #3 - #4
Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways #1
Amazing Spider-Man #534
Cable & Deadpool #30
Fantastic Four #539
New Avengers #22
Thunderbolts #104

August 2006:
Civil War #4
Civil War: Front Line #5 - #6
Civil War: X-Men #2
Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways #2
Amazing Spider-Man #535
Cable & Deadpool #31
Fantastic Four #540
New Avengers #23
Punisher: War Journal #1
Thunderbolts #105

September 2006:
Civil War #5
Civil War: Front Line #7 - #8
Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways #3
Amazing Spider-Man #536
Cable & Deadpool #32
Fantastic Four #541
New Avengers #24
Punisher: War Journal #2

October 2006:
Civil War #6
Civil War: Front Line #9 - #10
Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways #4
Amazing Spider-Man #537
Fantastic Four #542
New Avengers #25
Punisher: War Journal #3

November 2006:
Civil War #7
Amazing Spider-Man #538
Fantastic Four #543


Whew, That's a whole lot of Civil War I'm buying

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f37/DeadFett/civilwarstupid1tx.jpg

[cart1]

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Rating: RATED T+ CIVIL WAR # 1 (http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=4216)
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A conflict has been brewing in the Marvel Universe for over a year, threatening to pit friend against friend, brother against brother--and all it will take is a single misstep to cost thousands their lives and ignite the fuse! As the war claims its first victims, no one is safe as teams, friendships, and families begin to fall apart. Civil War, a Marvel Comics event in seven parts, stars Spider-Man, the New Avengers, the Fantastic Four, the X-Men and the entirety of the Marvel pantheon! Civil War – the cross-over that rewrites the rules - begins here in this double-sized first issue!
48 PGS./Rated T+ ...$3.99


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Rating: RATED T+ CIVIL WAR VARIANT # 1 (http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=4217)
The Story: THE LANDSCAPE OF THE MARVEL U IS CHANGING AND IT’S TIME TO DECIDE: WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON?
A conflict has been brewing in the Marvel Universe for over a year, threatening to pit friend against friend, brother against brother--and all it will take is a single misstep to cost thousands their lives and ignite the fuse! As the war claims its first victims, no one is safe as teams, friendships, and families begin to fall apart. Civil War, a Marvel Comics event in seven parts, stars Spider-Man, the New Avengers, the Fantastic Four, the X-Men and the entirety of the Marvel pantheon! Civil War – the cross-over that rewrites the rules - begins here in this double-sized first issue!
48 PGS./Rated T+ ...$3.99

Cant you tell how much im looking foword to this

[GNR]

I'm thinking about picking up the CW ASM tie-ins.This along with FF run all the way until the end of the mini,so I think they're the most worthwhile to pick up.

[spahn]

Febuary 2006:
Amazing Spider-Man #529

March 2006:
Amazing Spider-Man #530
Fantastic Four #536
New Avengers: Illuminati

April 2006:
Amazing Spider-Man #531
Civil War: Opening Shot Sketchbook
Fantastic Four #537

May 2006:
Civil War #1
Marvel Spotlight:Millar/McNiven
Amazing Spider-Man #532
She-Hulk #8
Wolverine #42

June 2006:
Civil War #2
Civil War: Front Line #1 - #2
Amazing Spider-Man #533
Fantastic Four #538
New Avengers #21
Thunderbolts #103
Wolverine #43
X-Factor #8

July 2006:
Civil War #3
Civil War: Front Line #3 - #4
Civil War: X-Men #1
Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways #1
Amazing Spider-Man #534
Black Panther #18
Cable & Deadpool #30
Daily Bugle: Civil War Special Edition
Fantastic Four #539
New Avengers #22
Thunderbolts #104
Wolverine #44
X-Factor #9

August 2006:
Civil War #4
Civil War: Front Line #5 - #6
Civil War: X-Men #2
Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways #2
Amazing Spider-Man #535
Cable & Deadpool #31
Fantastic Four #540
Heroes For Hire #1
Ms. Marvel #6
New Avengers #23
Punisher: War Journal #1
Thunderbolts #105
Wolverine #45

September 2006:
Civil War #5
Civil War: Front Line #7 - #8
Civil War: X-Men #3
Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways #3
Amazing Spider-Man #536
Cable & Deadpool #32
Captain America #22
Fantastic Four #541
Heroes For Hire #2
Ms. Marvel #7
New Avengers #24
Punisher: War Journal #2
Wolverine #46

October 2006:
Civil War #6
Civil War: Front Line #9 - #10
Civil War: X-Men #4
Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways #4
Amazing Spider-Man #537
Captain America #23
Fantastic Four #542
Heroes For Hire #3
Iron Man #13
Ms. Marvel #8
New Avengers #25
Punisher: War Journal #3
Wolverine #47

November 2006:
Civil War #7
Amazing Spider-Man #538
Captain America #24
Fantastic Four #543
Iron Man #14

so you guys can keep track.Less then 1 day:)


thanks for reminding me how much money i'll be spending from now till the end of the year. :eek:

[lceman]

OK...Just read CW1. Good read but mostly just set up. As you would expect from a first issue. Looking forward to what Marvel has planned for this.

[crivelliman]

This issue was fantastic. And not written by Bendis. What a twist!

[ragingdemon155]

Will all the issues be double sized or is it just this one????

Anyway, issue was great. Even though it was a setup issue alot happened in it. Hopefully Millar knows where he is going with this cause this event will most likely change up the state of the Marvel universe more then anything before it.

Also, Marvel needs to stop teasing us. Having the classic red and blue tights for Spidey on the cover....then opening the issue only to find that hideous Iron Spidey costume instead. :(

[The Joker]

On the advice of the guy who runs my local comic store,I picked up the first issue of Civil War,and I must say it was really good.I thoroughly enjoyed it.

There was some great moments in it like the grieving mother spitting in Tony Stark's face,and Johnny Storm getting attacked outside the nightclub

And I really had no interest in this arc initially.But issue 1 was awesome IMO.I hope the rest is just as good.

[shinlyle]

On the advice of the guy who runs my local comic store,I picked up the first issue of Civil War,and I must say it was really good.I thoroughly enjoyed it.

There was some great moments in it like the grieving mother spitting in Tony Stark's face,and Johnny Storm getting attacked outside the nightclub

And I really had no interest in this arc initially.But issue 1 was awesome IMO.I hope the rest is just as good.

I think I'll like it, then. I mean, I like Millar's writing, I live McNiven's pencils, and, from what I've heard, it's all within continuity, so it should meet my expectations. I just have to get my butt up to the LCS and pick it up, now.

[CaptainStacy]

I thought it was VERY well done!

An excellent start to what promises to be a great series.

As i said elsewhere; I'd glady have paid the $3.99 just for the scene with Cap kicking SHIELD ass all over the Helicarrier.

Good Job, Marvel.

[Norman Osborn]

I thought it was VERY well done!

An excellent start to what promises to be a great series.

As i said elsewhere; I'd glady have paid the $3.99 just for the scene with Cap kicking SHIELD ass all over the Helicarrier.

Good Job, Marvel.

I have to wait for the end of the month :(

[kevin00]

which new warrior(s) die and which ones end up living?

[3dman27]

at least i know firestar and justice wern't involved in it

[Donald Thomas]

I have to wait for the end of the month :(
Aloha,
Me too.:(
Spidey rules

[cart1]

http://www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JF49art/IronMan_425x100.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JF49art/CaptAmer_425x100.jpg

[ragingdemon155]

http://www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JF49art/IronMan_425x100.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JF49art/CaptAmer_425x100.jpg

eh I'm with Spider-man.

Whichever side he is on...or even if he isn't on a specific side (which is what I hope happens).

[Citizen_Kaine]

Someone needs to make an "I'm with Deadpool" one

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f37/DeadFett/civilwarstupid1tx.jpg

[Venom Drool]

ok.. possible spoilers for those who havent read











those with spidey, are with Cap.. i don't understand that, i would think it would be the other way around. what seems ass backward is the fact that Tony wants supes to give up their identities which sets question marks with me. and Cap, who is all about america, i would think, would go blindly into the whole freedom and rights of the people crap.. anyway... i enjoy that aspect of mystery behind Tony's intentions especialyl when i was under the impression he didnt want anything of the sort in ASM

shaping up nicely as i suspect either Thing or Johnny to split up the FF.. my bet is on Thing

[mr. black]

Quick question for anyone who has read Civil War #1: At the funeral for all the children who died in the explosion, just as the mother spits in Tony Starks face, why is Peter Parker with JJJ taking pictures of what's going on?

I was under the impression that Peter didn't work for the Bugle anymore and hasn't done so for a while? I've been out of the loop and haven't got around to reading the last few years of back issues, but when I saw the panel with JJJ telling Peter "I hope you're getting all this", I was a little confused.

So is Peter back at the Bugle on assignments with JJJ and I've just mistaken word of mouth and reviews into thinking Peter no longer works there? Or is this some major screw up in continuity?

[3dman27]

i think jjj knows pete works for stark enterprizes now he was remindinding pete to get all the pictures out of professional curtesy or force of habit

[mr. black]

Seems like a fair assumption. I think the panel/scene, regarding Peter/JJJ, is ambiguous enough to warrant what you said.

[cart1]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Thekraken/tmcm425x1007mj.jpg
I stole this from the Bendis Boards:)

[cart1]

Someone needs to make an "I'm with Deadpool" one
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f37/DeadFett/civilwarstupid1tx.jpg
here you go

[Ultimate Hero]

Dunno if anyone else has already made one, but I thought I'd try my hand at a Spidey version.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y190/Billix/Im-with-spider-man.jpg
Was going to make it using the classics, but I thought it was more fitting using the Iron Spidey suit since that's what he'll be weaing (as far as we know).
Don't read much 616, but this has definately caught my attention, and Civil War #1 was great imo. Really looking forward to the rest.

[mr. black]

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/566/superboy017qz.jpg

Something I just made. I've not read anything from IC, by the way.

[Citizen_Kaine]

Thanks buddy :up:

How'd you all make these?:confused: I'm not very tech savy and they look pretty awesome :spidey:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f37/DeadFett/civilwarstupid1tx.jpg

[mr. black]

Just some copying and pasting in Photoshop.

[Silverstein]

Can we actually use these as sigs? Because I love the "I've been reading infinite crisis" one. I actually HAVE been more on the DC side this year. Because USM is the only true spider-comic to me now. I have issue one of civil war and AMSM#529, but nothing else...

[3dman27]

Can we actually use these as sigs? Because I love the "I've been reading infinite crisis" one. I actually HAVE been more on the DC side this year. Because USM is the only true spider-comic to me now. I have issue one of civil war and AMSM#529, but nothing else...
what about marvel adventures spider-man?

[Silverstein]

Though some questions: They may be spoilers so....

1. What side is spidey on? He kind of defends masks, but being in iron man's suit and pretty much living with him, Tony could black mail him using Aunt May or MJ. And spidey's only defense against keeping masks is to keep his loved ones safe. Other wise he has no better reason. So if Tony could promise the safety of his family, Peter might just go with it. (At least that's the way they've been writing him....)

2. Iron Man is a douche bag.

3. Captain America's name and information is already known to the US Government, he was already trained and given stuff by them. So he IS legitament. So why did they attack him because he said that others will fight it? He never said "I will fight" he simply said he's not going after the other heroes. He has free will, he doesn't work for the country not like a US employee. So he doesn't have to go after those heroes. It doesn't make sense.

5. Is anyone going to die in the civil war? Like anyone important. A lot of main heroes got killed or lost in DC's Infinite Crisis story...And they weren't just needless killings, it fit with the story. If heroes are fighting each other, the people and the government, along with the villains....Then someone's bound to get hurt. There will be more casualties than Damien.

6. Iron Man is a traitor.

7. How the hell does the government expect to enforce it? Even if they could get a lot of heroes to change their minds and go public, what about the villains? Kids born with powers or people who get accidental powers could simply stay quiet about it and live as vigilantes without anyone knowing.

What happens if another kid gets bitten by a radioactive thing and get its powers? And what if that kid somehow gets the idea to help people in a mask? SHIELD or someone would come hunt the kid down and have them work for them or something? (Like USM's SHIELD coming after highschool student peter parker?)

[Silverstein]

what about marvel adventures spider-man?

Well, I haven't been reading that. But good point.

[Citizen_Kaine]

Though some questions: They may be spoilers so....

1. What side is spidey on? He kind of defends masks, but being in iron man's suit and pretty much living with him, Tony could black mail him using Aunt May or MJ. And spidey's only defense against keeping masks is to keep his loved ones safe. Other wise he has no better reason. So if Tony could promise the safety of his family, Peter might just go with it. (At least that's the way they've been writing him....)

2. Iron Man is a douche bag.

3. Captain America's name and information is already known to the US Government, he was already trained and given stuff by them. So he IS legitament. So why did they attack him because he said that others will fight it? He never said "I will fight" he simply said he's not going after the other heroes. He has free will, he doesn't work for the country not like a US employee. So he doesn't have to go after those heroes. It doesn't make sense.

5. Is anyone going to die in the civil war? Like anyone important. A lot of main heroes got killed or lost in DC's Infinite Crisis story...And they weren't just needless killings, it fit with the story. If heroes are fighting each other, the people and the government, along with the villains....Then someone's bound to get hurt. There will be more casualties than Damien.

6. Iron Man is a traitor.

7. How the hell does the government expect to enforce it? Even if they could get a lot of heroes to change their minds and go public, what about the villains? Kids born with powers or people who get accidental powers could simply stay quiet about it and live as vigilantes without anyone knowing.

What happens if another kid gets bitten by a radioactive thing and get its powers? And what if that kid somehow gets the idea to help people in a mask? SHIELD or someone would come hunt the kid down and have them work for them or something? (Like USM's SHIELD coming after highschool student peter parker?)

1. Spidey is undecided right as of now, on one hand he is tied to Tony Stark because of the promise he has made to him in ASM 529, on the other hand he realizes if he does go public, he could end up going home to find his wife impaled on an octopus tentacle

2. Depends on which side you see the issue on

3. Basically when you register, you become goverment issue. You do what they say, when they say. Cap flat out stats he's not doing that, SHIELD veiws him as a potential threat

4. Well... The New Warriors are dead, but I'm sure their gonna kill someone, semi important to drive this whole Civil War point home

5. Iron Man is working for the Gov now, so he's anything but. In the eyes of the rouge hero's he may be, but Tony truly believes what he is doing right now is the right thing

6. SHIELD task force finds you, and F's you up. The End

[Venom Drool]

Tony is either making the gov't think hes on their side or truly is on their side. Considering how much he was trying to get the gov't to stop the law making supes identify themselves, it doesn't make much sense. We see this in AMZ. sigh..
so far so good though

[XwolverineX]

I think it's pretty obvious that Spidey is goin' to initially side with IM, then late in the mini he's goin' to switch over to Cap's side.

[Venom Drool]

i don't think so.

the problem is he's torn. He has strong loyalty issues with people who he considers friends. IM and Cap are both in that category. I think the welfare of his family will be more importnat to him. and for that reason, Spidey is likely going to try and sway IM over to Cap's side as opposed to beat his ass like wolvy will. In spidey's case.. it isnt clear cut.

[Silverstein]

You know what would make me forgive Marvel for everything they've done with spidey in the past?

If Spider-Man/Peter Parker is the sole solution to the Civil war.


If he explains why it's wrong to conform to the government and not have everyone sell their powers, and have iron man and everyone side with captain america....Explain what masked heroes have done for soceity and point out how many lives have been saved by heroes in masks. And actually have the government side with him.

That would be awesome.

[Venom Drool]

hes done that in ASM already..

[spahn]

You know what would make me forgive Marvel for everything they've done with spidey in the past?

If Spider-Man/Peter Parker is the sole solution to the Civil war.


If he explains why it's wrong to conform to the government and not have everyone sell their powers, and have iron man and everyone side with captain america....Explain what masked heroes have done for soceity and point out how many lives have been saved by heroes in masks. And actually have the government side with him.

That would be awesome.

like venom drool said, he did that already in ASM 531 and they pretty much told him to get the hell out of the courtroom. so yeah, while your idea might be awesome, its not going to work out that way.

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

like venom drool said, he did that already in ASM 531 and they pretty much told him to get the hell out of the courtroom. so yeah, while your idea might be awesome, its not going to work out that way.

They said that it could help, but only if he revealed his secret ID to show he has nothing to hide.

[Silverstein]

lol "Okay, my name is Ben Reily. I used to work at a coffee shop."

[wolvie2020]

I think it's pretty obvious that Spidey is goin' to initially side with IM, then late in the mini he's goin' to switch over to Cap's side.


Your exactly right. I think Marvel have made it pretty obivous in many recent interviews, announcements, and the latest interview in Wizard. I mean, listen,

1st off, it's written by Mark Millar, who loves Spidey, and likes him as a bit of a loner, with a secret identity.

2nd, we keep hearing about how Tony's taking care of him, and his family, and Pete's owes him in their friendship, and their friendship will be tested, blah, blah. Most importantly, is this suit business. Pete wears the suit Tony made, it makes him damn near invunerable, that's a big debt. Joey Q has stated, that Spidey will ditch Tony's suit b4 the end of the year. Now THAT, is making things obvious.

3rd In the latest Wizard, Joey Q admitted making Spider-Man an all star Avenger, and putting him through the Other was a mistake. He loses a lot of his everyman status. They admitted that they need to bring him back to his street level roots, and even have him back in The Daily Bugle. Jeph Loeb has said that's the set up for his huge Spidey run next year. Classic Spidey, suppoting cast and all. Civil War is the perfect escape clause that Millar figured out for them.

Now, what we're getting really confused by is what is this major shocking thing he is going to do? From early reviews, it doesn't seem to be bigger tham any other charachters story, but it does seem pretty shocking. Does he beat a villain into a pulp? Does he say something shocking? Does he beat Tony Stark into a pulp? Does he say f**k you to Aunt May? We'll find out at the end of issue 2 I guess

[shinlyle]

Your exactly right. I think Marvel have made it pretty obivous in many recent interviews, announcements, and the latest interview in Wizard. I mean, listen,

1st off, it's written by Mark Millar, who loves Spidey, and likes him as a bit of a loner, with a secret identity.

2nd, we keep hearing about how Tony's taking care of him, and his family, and Pete's owes him in their friendship, and their friendship will be tested, blah, blah. Most importantly, is this suit business. Pete wears the suit Tony made, it makes him damn near invunerable, that's a big debt. Joey Q has stated, that Spidey will ditch Tony's suit b4 the end of the year. Now THAT, is making things obvious.

3rd In the latest Wizard, Joey Q admitted making Spider-Man an all star Avenger, and putting him through the Other was a mistake. He loses a lot of his everyman status. They admitted that they need to bring him back to his street level roots, and even have him back in The Daily Bugle. Jeph Loeb has said that's the set up for his huge Spidey run next year. Classic Spidey, suppoting cast and all. Civil War is the perfect escape clause that Millar figured out for them.

Now, what we're getting really confused by is what is this major shocking thing he is going to do? From early reviews, it doesn't seem to be bigger tham any other charachters story, but it does seem pretty shocking. Does he beat a villain into a pulp? Does he say something shocking? Does he beat Tony Stark into a pulp? Does he say f**k you to Aunt May? We'll find out at the end of issue 2 I guess

Well said, as always, my friend! :up:

After reading the first issue, I can officially post my thoughts on it:

It was good. Maybe even great. Any time you can see Captain America kicking ass like he does in this issue, it's a good thing. Also, we get a pretty solid look at where Spdier-Man stands. He clearly wants to keep his secret Identity, and, as you see in the issue, Tony has not clued-in Peter as to how he stands....meaning that Peter is still siding with Tony...ontl because he doesn't know where Tony stands.

Also, after seeing the covers for issue number 2, it looks as though Tony is going to call for Peter's aide in going after Captain America....this will inevitably be what breaks Spidey's friendship to Tony. Spidey has always been cool to Iron man, but his hero has always been Captain America. I imagine that, once Spidey listens to Cap, he'll see the light. (if you don't think Cap is Spidey's hero, read the end of the first Carnage Arc)

On top of all this, the story is very well thought out and planned. Millar seems to be doing his best to keep this in continuity, and is appears to be working. The DD here is clearly the imposter from the current Brubaker run, which enthuses me.

All in all, I look forward to issue 2, and I hope this series continues to live up to the hype. So far, it's very serious, very action-packed, very politically-charged, and it's really got my attention.

I'm in. Also, after dropping ASM and FNSM, I've got plenty of cash to cover the cost of this mini.

[shinlyle]

Dunno if anyone else has already made one, but I thought I'd try my hand at a Spidey version.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y190/Billix/Im-with-spider-man.jpg
Was going to make it using the classics, but I thought it was more fitting using the Iron Spidey suit since that's what he'll be weaing (as far as we know).
Don't read much 616, but this has definately caught my attention, and Civil War #1 was great imo. Really looking forward to the rest.

Not bad! You should really make one with the original costume, man!

[3dman27]

or better yet a "i'm with PETER PARKER" BANNER

[shinlyle]

This one works for me!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/tgross/Avatars/spiderman4iy.jpg

[ragingdemon155]

This one works for me!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/tgross/Avatars/spiderman4iy.jpg

Ahhh Classic red and blue :up:

[shinlyle]

Someone on the Millarworld boards made it....I thought it needed to be posted here.

[Ultimate Hero]

Here's a couple you guys might like :)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y190/Billix/Im-with-spider-man2.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y190/Billix/Im-with-ben.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y190/Billix/Im-with-pp.jpg

(And my personal one):
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y190/Billix/Im-with-ult.jpg

[cart1]

I hope i dont get banned for this but we all need a little of this:)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/UltimateThor/civilwar2.gif

[Sweeney Todd]

Iron Man will be winning, then.

[3dman27]

Here's a couple you guys might like :)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y190/Billix/Im-with-spider-man2.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y190/Billix/Im-with-ben.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y190/Billix/Im-with-pp.jpg

(And my personal one):
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y190/Billix/Im-with-ult.jpg
now thats what i'm talking about

[shinlyle]

I love this one. There is a thread over at Millarworld.com with a whole slew of these.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j156/greenflameuk/gudg.jpg

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

http://host65.hrwebservices.net/~jonesin/images/albums/userpics/10073/ImwithCaptainplanet.JPG

There's no way Cap is giving up his Secret Identity. :D

[Citizen_Kaine]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/ryokalono/comics/xclspe.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/ryokalono/comics/CivilWar-STAB.jpg

[3dman27]

can someone repost the cover shot of the opposing lineups? i'm loosing track of who's on which side

[3dman27]

EDIT double post

[SpideyInATree]

The first issue is off to a pretty intense start. Steve McNiven's art is amazing. He really seemed to step it up for this mini. I REALLY dug the part with Captain America escaping the SHIELD facility and leaping onto that plane. Freakin' fantastic action, which Millar does VERY well in his writing.

Can't wait until they get into the Spider-Man stuff in the next few issues. That'll be what drew me to this miniseries the most. :o

[Venomfan]

i don't think so.
Spidey is likely going to try and sway IM over to Cap's side as opposed to beat his ass like wolvy will. In spidey's case.. it isnt clear cut.

do you actually think wolvy can take iron man? from what iv seen lately iron man has turned into a wimp, i saw a bit of that new avengers movie or ultimates w/e it is, and hulk like took him out with one punch, isnt iron man supposed to have like class 100 strength? wolverine shouldnt be able to touch him, let alone beat him.

[Venom Drool]

considering wolvy can take magneto.. i dont think IM should be a huge problem. IM is much the pussy underneathe all the armour.. he serves better as the guy at the computer.. the ummm.. healer/ sorcerer guy for you WoW fans or Everquest lovers... you catch my drift. The brawn is reserved for the likes of Cap. IM = Reed as far as a team goes. bah...

[Citizen_Kaine]

can someone repost the cover sht of the opposing lineups? i'm loosing track of who's on which side

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Civil_War

Has the updating lineups

[Citizen_Kaine]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/ryokalono/comics/sm.jpg (http://photobucket.com/)
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/ryokalono/comics/whosesideamionsig6ng.jpg (http://photobucket.com/)
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/9182/batman5ef.jpg
http://mjm.ilikecroutons.com/ljstuff/civillaffo04.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/iainburnside/CivilWarStark.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/western/DP2.jpg

[Citizen_Kaine]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/irish_star/kcbanner.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/deftoons/CIVILWARPATBATE.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/ReaperFett/CivilWarJessicaJones.jpg

[TwilightPro101]

Lmao.

[cart1]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/FrontLine/01/Front-Line-preview1.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/FrontLine/01/Front-Line-preview2.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/FrontLine/01/Front-Line-preview3.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/FrontLine/01/Front-Line-preview4.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/FrontLine/01/Front-Line-preview5.jpg__________________
Frontline Preview

[SpideyInATree]

I'm definitely going to have to check out Frontline now. :up:

[Spider-Gamer]

I'm definitely going to have to check out Frontline now. :up:
I have to agree! :up:

[SouLeSS]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/FrontLine/01/Front-Line-preview3.jpg

OW THE ELMO DOLL HURTS!

[shinlyle]

Now I have to add Frontline to my pull list. This looks REALLY good. This is the type of story at which Jenkins excells!

[cart1]

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/Scottywhite/projason3nb.jpg

[cart1]

http://www.aspenstore.com/ProdImages/cw1ae_big.jpg
this looks good

[SpideyInATree]

Could do without Wolverine but the artwork is fantastic. :up:

[Captivated]

New Avengers preview...

http://www.popcultureshock.com/v/comic-previews/marvel-comics/new-avengers/new-avengers-19/new-avengers-19_cover.jpg.html

[Captivated]

Now I have to add Frontline to my pull list. This looks REALLY good. This is the type of story at which Jenkins excells!When does this come out?

[cart1]

June 7

[shinlyle]

New Avengers preview...

http://www.popcultureshock.com/v/comic-previews/marvel-comics/new-avengers/new-avengers-19/new-avengers-19_cover.jpg.html

*buries head in hands*

I remember why I dropped this book, now. Spidey is written like a total retard. Duh....."House of M"....Duh.....they have psychics.....in SHIELD.....no way....

Dammit....someone end this book. Okay, it's not a totally bad book, but they make Spidey a blithering idiot....over and over again.

[3dman27]

stop the madnessNOW

[Norman Osborn]

*buries head in hands*

I remember why I dropped this book, now. Spidey is written like a total retard. Duh....."House of M"....Duh.....they have psychics.....in SHIELD.....no way....

Dammit....someone end this book. Okay, it's not a totally bad book, but they make Spidey a blithering idiot....over and over again.

I've said it before and I'll say it again....I like the book.....but Spidey has got to go!!....or Bendis has got to get a clue on how to write him....(the later being the least likely of the two events.....bye bye Spidey)

Seriously...I'm convinced Bendis forgets that it's 616 Spidey in NA...Not Ultimate Spidey!!

[Citizen_Kaine]

I've said it before and I'll say it again....I like the book.....but Spidey has got to go!!....or Bendis has got to get a clue on how to write him....(the later being the least likely of the two events.....bye bye Spidey)

Seriously...I'm convinced Bendis forgets that it's 616 Spidey in NA...Not Ultimate Spidey!!


Flip the page and someone's taking off his mask :o

[shinlyle]

I've said it before and I'll say it again....I like the book.....but Spidey has got to go!!....or Bendis has got to get a clue on how to write him....(the later being the least likely of the two events.....bye bye Spidey)

Seriously...I'm convinced Bendis forgets that it's 616 Spidey in NA...Not Ultimate Spidey!!

Amen and Amen. Every time I read an issue, and I ignore Spider-Man, I notice two things about how I feel about the series as a whole:

1) Spider-Man adds nothing to the Avengers. He's there to pull in the Spider-Man readers. That's it. I'll cover that more in point #2....

2) It makes the book better if you ignore Spider-Man in this series. He seems to stand out like a sore thumb. If this were the "A-Team", he'd be freakin' Murdock. If this were the "Thundercats", he'd be Snarf. If this were the "Transformers", he'd be Bumblebee. He's one of the characters that ruin the entire book. He's becoming the Jar-Jar Binks of the freakin' Avengers, when he should be showing the Avengers how it's done. He could have taken out every SHIELD agent in the room in about 4 minutes.

That's how I feel about that.


On a positive note, it looks like Civil War #1 has sold an excess of 300,000 copies!!! The estimates are in and it looks closer to 350K!

I'm stoked, bot because this is a Marvel event (which is part of it), or because I'm a Millar fan (which is another part of it), but because it's the first time in the past 6 months that a book I actually LIKED was the number one selling book for the month.

[Norman Osborn]

Amen and Amen. Every time I read an issue, and I ignore Spider-Man, I notice two things about how I feel about the series as a whole:

2) It makes the book better if you ignore Spider-Man in this series.



Bingo!! :up: :up:



On a positive note, it looks like Civil War #1 has sold an excess of 300,000 copies!!! The estimates are in and it looks closer to 350K!

I'm stoked, bot because this is a Marvel event (which is part of it), or because I'm a Millar fan (which is another part of it), but because it's the first time in the past 6 months that a book I actually LIKED was the number one selling book for the month.

I'm really stoked as well....and I still haven't got my Civil War 1 yet cause my comics don't come in till the end of the month :(....for the most part I've been able to avoid spoilers though :up:

[shinlyle]

Flip the page and someone's taking off his mask :o

Which makes you wonder....how did Stan Lee manage to write Spider-Man with a secret identity. Obviously, no one else can!! Hell, during MKSM, we got a good ol'fashioned "Someone's discovered my identity" story, while, at the same time in NA, Peter was unmasked by issue 2....and again by issue 4.....and then everyone knew his identity....and now SHIELD will have his identity on file....and WHY does the government need to enact registration?

It's ridiculous.

I think the only people left in either universe that don't know Peter is Spider-Man are Ultimate Aunt May, And both incarnations of JJJ.

[Captivated]

Amen and Amen. Every time I read an issue, and I ignore Spider-Man, I notice two things about how I feel about the series as a whole:

1) Spider-Man adds nothing to the Avengers. He's there to pull in the Spider-Man readers. That's it. I'll cover that more in point #2....

2) It makes the book better if you ignore Spider-Man in this series. He seems to stand out like a sore thumb. If this were the "A-Team", he'd be freakin' Murdock. If this were the "Thundercats", he'd be Snarf. If this were the "Transformers", he'd be Bumblebee. He's one of the characters that ruin the entire book. He's becoming the Jar-Jar Binks of the freakin' Avengers, when he should be showing the Avengers how it's done. He could have taken out every SHIELD agent in the room in about 4 minutes.

Jar Jar Binks... I'd be LMAO if Spidey wasn't my favorite character, because it's sad, but true. That is why I have not been picking up the New Avengers, that is, untill the Civil War hype hit.

Iron-Man & Cap TOLD Spider-Man to go there and try to find out WHO this entity is and HOW to stop it. Iron Man said "go use that under-used big brain of yours..." and I was all, GREAT, Spidey is going to get to show off his intellect and may-be save the day... and he DID figure out who the guy was. But, I'm not sure what the heck is happening here now. :( I do hope he gets to punch that substitute Fury chick.

[Norman Osborn]

I think the only people left in either universe that don't know Peter is Spider-Man are Ultimate Aunt May, And both incarnations of JJJ.

Yeah but in all fairness to JJJ, his character's been written dumber than Pete as of late

J Jonah Griffin: I think my son is Spider-man

Robbie RobertLois: But JJ...you've seen both Spidey and John in the same room......

J Jonah Griffin:well if I've seen that both together...well that means....awwwww....uhhmmmm

Robbie RobertLois:That means....

J Jonah Griffin:No, no, RobbieRobertLois! Don't help me! It means something....

Robbie RobertLois:Come on, JJ. You're almost there

<JJ is at the dentist>

J Jonah Griffin: it means John can't possibly be Spider-man!!!

<dentist gets stabbed by drill>


Ok yes I need a life!!

[deathshead2]

300,000 copies!!![/B] The estimates are in and it looks closer to 350K!

To me thats bad news it tells Joe Q they can do a useless big event every year and people will still buy it.Well at least im not playing his game. Also i'll be leaving now excuse me.

[stillanerd]

*buries head in hands*

I remember why I dropped this book, now. Spidey is written like a total retard. Duh....."House of M"....Duh.....they have psychics.....in SHIELD.....no way....

Dammit....someone end this book. Okay, it's not a totally bad book, but they make Spidey a blithering idiot....over and over again.

You would think that with all of Tony Stark's technical genius, he could design a telepathic blocker for Spidey's suit. And would it have been so hard for Spidey to say "Magneto, Quicksilver...they're the one's who lost their mutant gene" rather than refering to them as "House of M mutants?" No, because Bendis and Marvel are trying to point out that Spidey is the "young, wisecracking, comic relief who doesn't know how to think before he speaks" just like Flash is in the Justice League cartoon. After all, the way the line-up of the New Avengers, you can see that:

Captain America=Superman
Iron Man=Batman
Spider-Woman=Hawkgirl
Spider-Man=The Flash
Luke Cage=Jon Steward/Green Lantern
Sentry=Martain Manhunter
Ronin=Wonder Woman
Wolverine=Batman mixed with Hawkgirl mixed with Green Arrow mixed with the Question.

[Effect]

Captain America=Superman
Iron Man=Batman
Spider-Woman=Hawkgirl
Spider-Man=The Flash
Luke Cage=Jon Steward/Green Lantern
Sentry=Martain Manhunter
Ronin=Wonder Woman
Wolverine=Batman mixed with Hawkgirl mixed with Green Arrow mixed with the Question

Glad other people are seeing this. I don't really think it's a problem persay but it can get annoying at times with Spider-man. I do think there are times where Bendis does slip up and end up writing Ultimate Spider-man instead of 616 Spider-man. Which I really don't care for at all. Peter's actions in the latest New Avengers from the preview just seem really out of place, it's just extremely noticeable I think for anyone that knows anything about the character from either comics, the movies, or even the cartoon.

[MaskedManJRK]

Glad other people are seeing this. I don't really think it's a problem persay but it can get annoying at times with Spider-man. I do think there are times where Bendis does slip up and end up writing Ultimate Spider-man instead of 616 Spider-man. Which I really don't care for at all. Peter's actions in the latest New Avengers from the preview just seem really out of place, it's just extremely noticeable I think for anyone that knows anything about the character from either comics, the movies, or even the cartoon.

Yeah, hell, it's actually a good thing for Spidey, but it should be toned down a bit.

Really, both him and Luke Cage would probably both share the honors, because they're both essentially street-level vigilanties suddenly thrown into the big boy's table, so not only should they be a bit wierded out by it, but they should make comments about how different things are where they are.

[Captivated]

Since it is a build up to the Civil War, I guess I'll post this here...

I read the New Avengers... it got worse than the preview.

SPOILERS...

Tony sent Peter and Vision to the Sheild helicarrier to help figure out who/what it was and how to stop this force of destruction, named Michael. But the minute Peter figures it out, Tony is all, just shut up and get out of there.... Peter once again comes off looking awkward and more green than he should... and more so because of Tony's comments.

I think possibly, left to his own devices, Peter would have informed the Sheild commander (who I hate very much now) that this guy seems to possess a combination of the powers that certain mutants "lost"... and would have kept working with them on the common goal - to stop it. But because Iron-Man was all, shut up and get out of there... which Spidey attempted to do... he came off as secretive and hostile to Sheild and a goof-up to us. (Seems Bendis is determined to dumb him down :mad:)

He is "arrested"... knocked unconscious with a "thought" from a psychic. :rolleyes:Taken to an interrogation room, where he is revived and DEMASKED! :mad: The commander keeps asking him about the House of M. She tells him that she will probably be his boss someday. He doesn't tell her anything, but after awhile she smuggly says, the psychics in the next room got all that they needed, and casually tosses his mask back to him. She calls him Parker. (By this time I really did want to tear her hair out...) Even though I guess she knew who he was before, it was just irritating...

I have to ask... the way this was framed... who has ANY secrets from Sheild? They have powerfull psychics that can just knock you out and read your mind? They did the same with Vision too. Why not do this with Captain America, Iron-Man and everybody... Or, was this just something special the writer did to further humiliate and belittle Spider-Man? :(

Captain America shows up and is FURIOUS. The conflict is just building there.

Speaking of psychics... it was one of THEM that pointed out Michael was just learning from and thereby becoming more powerful by the continuing fight with Iron-Man and Sentry. He suggested just letting Michael go to his destination, which might lead them to Wanda... They did and he went straight to Genosha.

The story wouldn't be half bad, if not for the crappy way Bendis writes 616 Spider-Man. But, I don't think it's an indication that Spidey should not be an Avenger... (at least in SOME capacity... he has been a reserve Avenger before) but it's being so POORLY handled! The Hydra arc and Breakout were good Spidey/Avengers stories... but I haven't like ONE by Bendis. And take Spider-Man off the Avengers, and I have NO reason to read it.

On a positive note... the ART was refreshingly good. :up:

[stillanerd]

You know, this issue just gave us a pretty blatant hint with regards to why Spider-Man, who has time and time again voiced his objections to superbeing registration will be on the side supporting it. Not only is it because Tony has manipulated him into being his sidekick but now, thanks to Hill sicking one of her S.H.E.I.L.D.'s psychics on him, she'll blackmail him into being on the registration side of things. That's because that since the psychic has able to learn EVERYTHING about him, if Peter refuses, they can release all the information they have on him to every law enforcement agency and media outlet worldwide, making it impossible to avoid capture. Because of this, Peter feels he HAS TO reveal he's Spider-Man so S.H.E.I.L.D. won't as much of a hold on him, probably figuring that since his identity will be revealed anyway, he'd rather do it on his own terms. Geez, it seems more and more apparent that Spidey's identity is going to go public.

[Captivated]

You know, this issue just gave us a pretty blatant hint with regards to why Spider-Man, who has time and time again voiced his objections to superbeing registration will be on the side supporting it. Not only is it because Tony has manipulated him into being his sidekick but now, thanks to Hill sicking one of her S.H.E.I.L.D.'s psychics on him, she'll blackmail him into being on the registration side of things. That's because that since the psychic has able to learn EVERYTHING about him, if Peter refuses, they can release all the information they have on him to every law enforcement agency and media outlet worldwide, making it impossible to avoid capture. Because of this, Peter feels he HAS TO reveal he's Spider-Man so S.H.E.I.L.D. won't as much of a hold on him, probably figuring that since his identity will be revealed anyway, he'd rather do it on his own terms. Geez, it seems more and more apparent that Spidey's identity is going to go public.
NOoooooooo!! :( You might be right...

That is so scary... but I have hope that Wanda's somehow involvement... or even the selective amnesia they were able to induce in connection with the Sentry, will put things right in the end.

I must say, if they want us to dislike that Hill chick, it's working!

[ben_reilly_s_s]

Did Stark set Peter up? Did he know that Pete was going to be caught?

[SpideyInATree]

Did Stark set Peter up? Did he know that Pete was going to be caught?

Who knows. Probably though. Heh.

I understand people being upset over Peter being a "sidekick". Sigh.

But does anybody realize what it's going to build up to?

Spidey kicking Stark's ass and taking matters into his own hands, as he's done so many times before.

[TwilightPro101]

Here's to seeing that event come down.

[ragingdemon155]

Who knows. Probably though. Heh.

I understand people being upset over Peter being a "sidekick". Sigh.

But does anybody realize what it's going to build up to?

Spidey kicking Stark's ass and taking matters into his own hands, as he's done so many times before.

I would love nothing more then to see that happen but honestly when was the last time Spidey kicked anyone's ass???? Or took matters into his own hands?

:(

[ben_reilly_s_s]

Ok, I remember reading somewhere that heros would become villians and villians would become heros.
So, which ones are swithcing sides and when?
Is this still gonna happen?

[SpideyInATree]

I would love nothing more then to see that happen but honestly when was the last time Spidey kicked anyone's ass???? Or took matters into his own hands?

:(

Not that long ago. Remember the New Avengers arc? Guess ya didn't. :o

[TwilightPro101]

Ok, I remember reading somewhere that heros would become villians and villians would become heros.
So, which ones are swithcing sides and when?
Is this still gonna happen?

Probably after it is all said and done unless they consider the other factions villians.

[Norman Osborn]

Yay!! got most of my comics yesterday....looks as if my Comic book store is going to 2 shipments a month...which is cool by me :)

Only got a chance to read one though...Civil War 1....which I actually ended up reading twice :)

Great first issue...Cap blowing through the newly formed Shield task force, jumping out the window on to the plane and then reprimanding the young pilot for "Potty mouth" was just beautiful..(See Marvel...I aint that hard to please)

I really liked the snippet of Agent Hill after Cap disappears "I was just trying to save lives" which to me helps to sink in the concept that although Agent Hill is very easy to hate..(Easy to hate in a "her character is well written" hate as opposed to "And this Morlun fellow is relevant because??" hate) and although clearly Iron Man's team is playing the heels this time around, there is really no clear cut good guy /bad guy....just really severe differences in idealogies....

Marvel has validated my high expecations for this arc thus far!!.....please keep it up boys..(loosely translated..."Don't blow it again!!" )

Edited to add: I also acknowledge the potential this story has as being the gateway to the rebirth of the Spider-man I know and love...yes there may still be claws and odometer resettings..(we can retcon that later) but I'm convinced that Stepford Spidey is going to shove that suit down Stark's throat and call it a day as a member of the Avengers!!!

[Ultimate Hero]

Either he'll quit the avengers or the avengers will split in two, and Spidey will follow the half which Cap is commanding, therefore staying on a team that isn't the Avengers and without all the sidekick stuff. I think that could be very cool if written right. Two opposing super hero teams.

[Norman Osborn]

Either he'll quit the avengers or the avengers will split in two, and Spidey will follow the half which Cap is commanding, therefore staying on a team that isn't the Avengers and without all the sidekick stuff. I think that could be very cool if written right. Two opposing super hero teams.

I like the idea of two opposing Avenger factions, if it were written by "anyone" other than Bendis ....Bendis simply cannot write 616 Spider-man and the sooner Spider-man leaves the team, the sooner both ASM and NA improve!

[tuskenjedi]

How is it that SHIELD has all of these psychics when so many of the mutants were depowered? Aren't most if not all psychics mutant based? And why didn't they send a psychic to check into the entity when it arrived? And couldn't the psychics just get close to the heros and get their identities? I know some heros would have psychic shields, but the bulk of them wouldn't.

What a bunch of crap! I understand suspend your belief when reading a comic and live in the fantasy world, but shouldn't there be some amount of common sense used in the comic so you can suspend your belief?

I guess that would make too much sense.

Keith

[shinlyle]

Not that long ago. Remember the New Avengers arc? Guess ya didn't. :o

Which one?

The one where Spidey got his arm broken by Jigsaw and was unmasked in front of a whoel bunch of b-listers?

How about when the guys int he Savage Land capture him and the rest of the New Avengers and strip them doen to nothing?

Or maybe when all the New Avengers were getting OWNED by the Void? Maybe when they all got pretty much owned by ONE member of the Wrecking Crew?


Sorry, but I have yet to gee Spidey truly kick anyone's ass in this book. He's barely even held his own. None of this would bother me, but it makes it look as though Spidey's incompetent, inexperienced, and uselessin a fight. I'm hoping "Civil War" has some moments in there to remind us what he can really do.

[Norman Osborn]

Which one?

The one where Spidey got his arm broken by Jigsaw and was unmasked in front of a whoel bunch of b-listers?

How about when the guys int he Savage Land capture him and the rest of the New Avengers and strip them doen to nothing?

Or maybe when all the New Avengers were getting OWNED by the Void? Maybe when they all got pretty much owned by ONE member of the Wrecking Crew?


Sorry, but I have yet to gee Spidey truly kick anyone's ass in this book. He's barely even held his own. None of this would bother me, but it makes it look as though Spidey's incompetent, inexperienced, and uselessin a fight. I'm hoping "Civil War" has some moments in there to remind us what he can really do.

I may be wrong Shin but I think he was referring to the ASM Hydra arc

[Norman Osborn]

How is it that SHIELD has all of these psychics when so many of the mutants were depowered? Aren't most if not all psychics mutant based?

I don't think a psychic requires a mutant gene to be psychic....Dr Strange certainly doesn't....Madame Web..etc

And why didn't they send a psychic to check into the entity when it arrived?

Who's to say they didn't off panel?....if Michael carries the power of a 100,000 mutants I'd have to assume he'd have little problem blocking a psychic


And couldn't the psychics just get close to the heros and get their identities? I know some heros would have psychic shields, but the bulk of them wouldn't.

wasn't that the point of the most previous New Avengers?.....to essentially show Spidey and the rest of the heroes....you guys might as well tell all...cause we're going to get it one way or another

[shinlyle]

I may be wrong Shin but I think he was referring to the ASM Hydra arc

Ah!! Okay! I was fixing to say, I have yet to see Spidey effectively do ANYTHING in "New Avengers".

He should have said "The last good arc in ASM"....then I'd have known to what he was referring. ;)

[SpideyInATree]

Which one?

The one where Spidey got his arm broken by Jigsaw and was unmasked in front of a whoel bunch of b-listers?

How about when the guys int he Savage Land capture him and the rest of the New Avengers and strip them doen to nothing?

Or maybe when all the New Avengers were getting OWNED by the Void? Maybe when they all got pretty much owned by ONE member of the Wrecking Crew?


Sorry, but I have yet to gee Spidey truly kick anyone's ass in this book. He's barely even held his own. None of this would bother me, but it makes it look as though Spidey's incompetent, inexperienced, and uselessin a fight. I'm hoping "Civil War" has some moments in there to remind us what he can really do.

The "New Avengers" arc from the Amazing Spider-Man.

Someone is still a little bitter about things. :O

[tuskenjedi]

I don't think a psychic requires a mutant gene to be psychic....Dr Strange certainly doesn't....Madame Web..etc



Who's to say they didn't off panel?....if Michael carries the power of a 100,000 mutants I'd have to assume he'd have little problem blocking a psychic




wasn't that the point of the most previous New Avengers?.....to essentially show Spidey and the rest of the heroes....you guys might as well tell all...cause we're going to get it one way or another


Didn't realize that Dr. Strange was a psychic, never read much of him. That's beside the point, exception to every rule. Iron Man acts like there are tons of SHIELD psychics most of the psychics in Marvel have been mutants. My point being House of M was supposed to reduce the number of mutants to 198 and yet it seems as though there are still mutants with powers everywhere you look.

Off panel, maybe they did send one and he probably could block a psychic. I'll give you that one.

Your last point, why not just do it that way then if it is so easy? Then just go after the ones that block their psychics. I always thought that SHIELD already knew almost all of the hero's identities anyway. Nick Fury has been showing up everywhere for years talking to the heros and acknowledging that he knew their identities.

I just think the whole last 12 months of Marvel continuity has been so screwed up and contrived and just so.....mindless. And this is just the straw that has broke my back on the subject. It's as though no serious thought has gone on to make sense in the story lines.

Sure, the House of M sounded like a great idea, same with Avengers Disassembled, and Civil War. But Marvel's execution of all of these events has been so poor and not just the major events even the regular stories have gone down the drain. I think it is mostly from a lack of drawn out thought being put into it. It's like they are just throwing stuff up against the wall to see what sticks and then when something does stick there is no research, no common sense logic, no thought of the future...nothing applied to flesh out the story in a sensible manner!

It seems as though that in the past year or two an awful lot of story lines have been undone in some manner (ie. Hawkeye coming back, Iceman getting his powers back, Collosus is alive, Uncle Ben is back, etc, etc) or the characters have not just grown in their range, but have gone so entirely out of character that they are just shadows of themselves (ie. Spidey being stupid, Tony being deceptive and a traitor, Xavier being a jerk, etc.).

I've been reading Marvel comics exclusively since about 1975 and I will have to say the level of story telling and cohesiveness, not ideas, has dropped so significantly that it is almost difficult to read anymore. I still buy a ton of books, but for the last six months or so my DC books have outnumbered my Marvel books and I used to HATE DC. I thought their characters were so stupid and cartoonish, but not anymore. DC has grown up and Marvel has lost their way. Identity Crisis caught my eye and I have been hooked on DC every since that first issue.

It's just very frustrating to me right now as a Marvel fan and I needed to vent a little. Thanks for listening.

[spider greg]

Didn't realize that Dr. Strange was a psychic, never read much of him. That's beside the point, exception to every rule. Iron Man acts like there are tons of SHIELD psychics most of the psychics in Marvel have been mutants. My point being House of M was supposed to reduce the number of mutants to 198 and yet it seems as though there are still mutants with powers everywhere you look.

Off panel, maybe they did send one and he probably could block a psychic. I'll give you that one.

Your last point, why not just do it that way then if it is so easy? Then just go after the ones that block their psychics. I always thought that SHIELD already knew almost all of the hero's identities anyway. Nick Fury has been showing up everywhere for years talking to the heros and acknowledging that he knew their identities.

I just think the whole last 12 months of Marvel continuity has been so screwed up and contrived and just so.....mindless. And this is just the straw that has broke my back on the subject. It's as though no serious thought has gone on to make sense in the story lines.

Sure, the House of M sounded like a great idea, same with Avengers Disassembled, and Civil War. But Marvel's execution of all of these events has been so poor and not just the major events even the regular stories have gone down the drain. I think it is mostly from a lack of drawn out thought being put into it. It's like they are just throwing stuff up against the wall to see what sticks and then when something does stick there is no research, no common sense logic, no thought of the future...nothing applied to flesh out the story in a sensible manner!

It seems as though that in the past year or two an awful lot of story lines have been undone in some manner (ie. Hawkeye coming back, Iceman getting his powers back, Collosus is alive, Uncle Ben is back, etc, etc) or the characters have not just grown in their range, but have gone so entirely out of character that they are just shadows of themselves (ie. Spidey being stupid, Tony being deceptive and a traitor, Xavier being a jerk, etc.).

I've been reading Marvel comics exclusively since about 1975 and I will have to say the level of story telling and cohesiveness, not ideas, has dropped so significantly that it is almost difficult to read anymore. I still buy a ton of books, but for the last six months or so my DC books have outnumbered my Marvel books and I used to HATE DC. I thought their characters were so stupid and cartoonish, but not anymore. DC has grown up and Marvel has lost their way. Identity Crisis caught my eye and I have been hooked on DC every since that first issue.

It's just very frustrating to me right now as a Marvel fan and I needed to vent a little. Thanks for listening.

I'm glad you brought this up, because, for a while I thought I was the only one who thought like this. It seems like a lot of Marvel stuff I read these days are just plain silly, it's almost like I'm reading a parody of my favorite character. There was a story in Spider-man unlimited a while back where the Vulture was sick and threw up on Spidey therefore getting Spidey sick, ( It sounds even more ridiculous as I write this) and he barfs in his mask and the whole story was just a big fat joke and an embarassment to a great character. I like humor as much as the next guy...but come on!!! I'm paying for this.

[Norman Osborn]

Your last point, why not just do it that way then if it is so easy? Then just go after the ones that block their psychics. I always thought that SHIELD already knew almost all of the hero's identities anyway. Nick Fury has been showing up everywhere for years talking to the heros and acknowledging that he knew their identities.



Shield and the govt want Super soldiers who are accountable for their actions. A question to you...if you were in a battle for your life, who would you want shoulder to shoulder with you? A pissed off DareDevil whose only fighting because he's being forced to?...or a DareDevil who's aboard because he chooses to be.

...plus if Shield were to simply strong arm the heroes, the likelihood of dissenting factions forming would go up ten-fold ....

The heroes are being asked to register (as opposed to strong arming) because they (Government) rightfully believe it'll lead to a far more effective and cohesive team.

In addition it's a hell of a lot easier to have DareDevil come in and sign his name than chasing him around Hell's Kitchen....this isn't cerebra we're talking about......I'm assuming they'd have to be fairly close for the psychics to read their mind.

Be that as it may...I agree with you that continuity and Marvel don't go hand in hand presently.....I just don't see any problem within the new Civil War arc that doesn't require just a little "suspension of belief"....

...let me qualify my last statement with one word..."Yet!!" :)

[tuskenjedi]

Shield and the govt want Super soldiers who are accountable for their actions. A question to you...if you were in a battle for your life, who would you want shoulder to shoulder with you? A pissed off DareDevil whose only fighting because he's being forced to?...or a DareDevil who's aboard because he chooses to be.

...plus if Shield were to simply strong arm the heroes, the likelihood of dissenting factions forming would go up ten-fold ....

The heroes are being asked to register (as opposed to strong arming) because they (Government) rightfully believe it'll lead to a far more effective and cohesive team.

In addition it's a hell of a lot easier to have DareDevil come in and sign his name than chasing him around Hell's Kitchen....this isn't cerebra we're talking about......I'm assuming they'd have to be fairly close for the psychics to read their mind.

Be that as it may...I agree with you that continuity and Marvel don't go hand in hand presently.....I just don't see any problem within the new Civil War arc that doesn't require just a little "suspension of belief"....

...let me qualify my last statement with one word..."Yet!!" :)

I see what you are saying, but personally I would want someone helping because they want to. Not because they are mandated to or forced to. Sounds like a good way to get the heros to retire prematurely. Nothing wrong with being accountable, just seems like they've been getting the heros to do what they ask for years without all of this mess.

I think it's a great idea for a story line, it's just that through out the years SHIELD already has most of their identities and cooperation most times anyway.


I'm glad you brought this up, because, for a while I thought I was the only one who thought like this. It seems like a lot of Marvel stuff I read these days are just plain silly, it's almost like I'm reading a parody of my favorite character. There was a story in Spider-man unlimited a while back where the Vulture was sick and threw up on Spidey therefore getting Spidey sick, ( It sounds even more ridiculous as I write this) and he barfs in his mask and the whole story was just a big fat joke and an embarassment to a great character. I like humor as much as the next guy...but come on!!! I'm paying for this.

That's a perfect example of how stupid things have gotten. We're paying good money for this crap! That sounds like something that a 12 year old would right to gross out his friends.

[Captivated]

Did Stark set Peter up? Did he know that Pete was going to be caught?
I didn't get that impression. It was like the minute Peter relayed his take on Michael (via the costume) being connected to the House of M that IM said, "Captain, go get Spider-Man out of there now" Of course, then Hill was VERY interested in what they were trying to hide...

[Captivated]

I have a story prediction...

After the heroes fight for awhile, some outside threat will unite them in a big "save the world" event. People - ever fickeled - will be gratefull and they will be heroes again.

But, the registration act will be dropped in the end as a matter of simple ECONOMICS.

Think of how much professional atheletes get paid... Think of how many millions ONE fighter jet costs... Think of how much a high crime rate costs a city... So, what kind of a price do you put on an individual who is on call 24/7, who has the power to dramatically cut crime, defend the masses from supervillains and occasionally save the universe from intergalactic threats? Hum?

Right now the super heroes are volunteers, and aside from some battle "clean-up," they provide a HUGE service without compensation. As part of this Act they would become employees of the government. Employees get paid and they can quit.

If people become aware again of their need for the heroes... if they are seen as the superhuman defense system that they are... I'm thinking each Avenger alone could pull down several hundred million a year. And the government will have a choice... add Trillions to the national budget, with all the hardship that would bring, or drop the registration act and be glad they have a superhuman defense system for cheap.

Just a thought... :)

[Trask]

I dont know why people find this whole Civil War idea so hard to belive. I find the concept much more interesting than the whole Infinite Crisis of DC comics (altho I did enjoy Identity Crisis which was a good read).

You are all looking at what is happening in Civil War through the eyes of the heroes. I am just surprised it has taken this long for the "normal" people and the government in the Marvel universe to demand for such an action. I am sure SHIELD has a file on most of the heroes (with their secret identity), but they do not have control over the actions of those heroes and they are not there to hold them accountable for the actions they take.

Almost all of the heroes in Marvel work outside the law and are never held accountable for the actions they take. I mean look at all the number of times that Spider-man has been suspected of a crime and he has always been allowed to run loose.

It was inevitable that the people/government would take some kind of action to try and control/monitor the activities of this people. I dont care if they are all doing it out of the goodness of thier heart, you cant just let anyone with power go out dressed in a costume and act as a police force with no one to answer to (especially in a world where more and more mutants with power are being born every day).

If someone wants to be a hero it is a good idea to have that person be trained and registered.

I just hope they dont chicken out in the end and try and return things to stutus co at the end of Civil War. What I would like to see happen is the government/heroes setting up some kind of training schools which people would have to graduate from before they can become heroes (like Xavier's school). Maybe Stark could cofound the new schools with the goverment so that they are not totally run by the government. After they graduate they can work for the goverment/private companies or just do the whole solo act.

I cant see how things can go back to the way they were before this whole thing happened.

[MaskedManJRK]

You know what I'd love to see with Spidey in Civil War?

At some point near the end, when there's that big action sequence (and there will be), with all the sides fighting against each other, we see Spider-Man pausing and looking around him...there are constant people in danger around the fight, and every single one of the heroes are so busy fighting each other, Peter sees nothing but people dying from it.

Iron Man yells out an order to Spider-Man. Spider-Man doesn't do anything for a moment...then he switches the suits colors back to the red and blues.

"Peter, what the hell are you doing?!" Iron Man cries out.

"What we should have done a long time ago, Stark," Spidey says, "I'm going to stop taking sides, and start saving lives."

He bows out of the fight, and starts working damage control, because that is what he, as a super hero, is supposed to do. Besides, no one else is taking RESPONSIBILITY for their fight...someone has to.

[SpideyInATree]

You know what I'd love to see with Spidey in Civil War?

At some point near the end, when there's that big action sequence (and there will be), with all the sides fighting against each other, we see Spider-Man pausing and looking around him...there are constant people in danger around the fight, and every single one of the heroes are so busy fighting each other, Peter sees nothing but people dying from it.

Iron Man yells out an order to Spider-Man. Spider-Man doesn't do anything for a moment...then he switches the suits colors back to the red and blues.

"Peter, what the hell are you doing?!" Iron Man cries out.

"What we should have done a long time ago, Stark," Spidey says, "I'm going to stop taking sides, and start saving lives."

He bows out of the fight, and starts working damage control, because that is what he, as a super hero, is supposed to do. Besides, no one else is taking RESPONSIBILITY for their fight...someone has to.

Probably something along those lines will happen during the series. We know that Pete is going to eventually turn on Tony. That'd definitely be a "OMFG" moment. Though I'm sure Spidey fans would find a way to complain about it. :O :) :eek:

[CaptainStacy]

I have a story prediction...

After the heroes fight for awhile, some outside threat will unite them in a big "save the world" event. People - ever fickeled - will be gratefull and they will be heroes again.

But, the registration act will be dropped in the end as a matter of simple ECONOMICS.

Think of how much professional atheletes get paid... Think of how many millions ONE fighter jet costs... Think of how much a high crime rate costs a city... So, what kind of a price do you put on an individual who is on call 24/7, who has the power to dramatically cut crime, defend the masses from supervillains and occasionally save the universe from intergalactic threats? Hum?

Right now the super heroes are volunteers, and aside from some battle "clean-up," they provide a HUGE service without compensation. As part of this Act they would become employees of the government. Employees get paid and they can quit.

If people become aware again of their need for the heroes... if they are seen as the superhuman defense system that they are... I'm thinking each Avenger alone could pull down several hundred million a year. And the government will have a choice... add Trillions to the national budget, with all the hardship that would bring, or drop the registration act and be glad they have a superhuman defense system for cheap.

Just a thought... :)



I was thinking the same thing. A Galactus level threat maybe.

What would be REALLY cool would be to have the Annihilation Armada (the bad guys from that OTHER current Marvel mini series) arrive and attack our planet, uniting Marvel's cosmic heroes AND it's earth-bound ones as well...they could even have some of the villains help out (not unlike DC's Infinite Crisis)....

Yeah. And if that happens, i will eat each and every issue of Civil War, in order, with a pinch of salt.

You heard it here first, folks.

[Trask]

Hmmm those all sound like interesting ways for Civil War to go, but they dont really solve the underlieing problem. The way I see it, the problem is that right now anyone with powers can dress up in a custume and go out and do whatever they want as long as they are not agressively breaking the law. And I dont think a huge outside threat or passive resistance will solve the problem. It might delay it, and if Marvel takes this route I will see it as nothing more that a coup out.

The heroes/government need to come up with a solution to the problem. Right now the goverment is taking a strict (and some may say totalitarian) postion on the subject while some of the other heroes are going to the other side of the extreme.

In the end I see the solution as being somewhere in the middle where those who want to work in the costume business will need to go through some training and registration. I think Tony Stark, Reed Richards and Captain America will probably play a major part in setting up the new system of registration and training. I dont think either side will get everything they want but they should get a deal they can live with. Peter may play a major role in getting the two sides to come to some kind of agreement (I have a sneaking suspision that is the reason Tony has been "grooming" him, because I dont think he really wants to give all the power to the state).

[Norman Osborn]

Just a question that's been on my mind and I thought I'd throw it out there!

Why would anyone in the MU consider the registration after watching what's going on with DareDevil? The only real charge levied against Matt is obstruction of justice which could easily be levied against any of them if they were to divulge their ID's? Why is it not at least brought up for arguments sake?

[Trask]

Just a question that's been on my mind and I thought I'd throw it out there!

Why would anyone in the MU consider the registration after watching what's going on with DareDevil? The only real charge levied against Matt is obstruction of justice which could easily be levied against any of them if they were to divulge their ID's? Why is it not at least brought up for arguments sake?

Point of fact is that almost all the heroes do have at least one of thier villans with knowlege of their secret ID (Even before DD was outed). It is not as if it is a new thing. As for the heroes divulging thier ID, I see the information as being kept by a new organistion like SHIELD who does not divulge the information just to anyone who wants to know.

[MaskedManJRK]

Point of fact is that almost all the heroes do have at least one of thier villans with knowlege of their secret ID (Even before DD was outed). It is not as if it is a new thing. As for the heroes divulging thier ID, I see the information as being kept by a new organistion like SHIELD who does not divulge the information just to anyone who wants to know.

Well, SHIELD has had enough f**k-ups and corrupt splinter factions to make any of the heroes nerveous of leaving all their personal information to them.

[Trask]

Well, SHIELD has had enough f**k-ups and corrupt splinter factions to make any of the heroes nerveous of leaving all their personal information to them.

Well it is a bit too late for that since SHIELD already has the personal information (including secret ID and shoe size) of most of the heroes in Marvel.

[tuskenjedi]

Well it is a bit too late for that since SHIELD already has the personal information (including secret ID and shoe size) of most of the heroes in Marvel.

Exactly, that's my point! Civil War is a great idea on the surface until you actually put some thought and research into it. Unfortunately, that is not Marvel's strong point at this moment in time.

[shinlyle]

SHIELD may hav eall their information, but that doesn't count as far as the registration goes. The SRA requires the heroes to come to the government WILLINGLY or FORCEFULLY, and register their names, powers, and become an employee. The fact that SHIELD has their information is irrelevant. The US Government wants the heroes to work for them, hang up their tights, or become fugitives from the law. Right now, SHIELD has all their information, sure, but that's going to come into play more during Civil War as the government uses that informationt o hunt down the rogue heroes who refuse to register.

Trust me, the SHIELD files are going to come into play later on.

[3dman27]

it looks like marvels confusing thier shield versions agan its the ULTIMATE SHIELD thats a us agency the 616 original version is now un sponsored

[shinlyle]

it looks like marvels confusing thier shield versions agan its the ULTIMATE SHIELD thats a us agency the 616 original version is now un sponsored

Yeah...I thought that SHIELD was unsponsored in the 616...I couldn't recall. Still, SHIELD files aren't US files. I'm willing to bet that SHIELD is just going to be a means of capturing the heroes FOR the US, seeing as how they have all their IDs on file and what-not.

[Captivated]

A preview of ASM 532: http://www.popcultureshock.com/reviews.php?id=5616

Doesn't give much away. The art seemed better...

[SpideyInATree]

SHIELD does have that Identity Disc, remember the miniseries from a few years back? They had random villains team up to steal it from AIM but it turns out that SHIELD had it the whole time. The story is actually pretty good. I'd highly suggest it.

But I agree with shinlyle on this subject. That identity disc that SHIELD has really doesn't contradict the story that Millar is doing. As shinlyle said the government wants the superheroes to register with the US GOVERNMENT and work for the GOVERNMENT.

So, the Avengers would be answering to the government and certain officials just like the regular United States military does.

And heroes like Daredevil, Moonknight, and Spider-Man wouldn't be loner vigilantes...they'd have to work for the government or hang up the tights for the rest of their lives. That's what it's about.

But I agree with shin. I see the Identity Disc that SHIELD has playing a huge role in catching the rogue heroes.

The best part of the story, to me, is going to be how the villains react to it all. That's where the fun will be.

[CaptainStacy]

SHIELD does have that Identity Disc, remember the miniseries from a few years back? They had random villains team up to steal it from AIM but it turns out that SHIELD had it the whole time. The story is actually pretty good. I'd highly suggest it.

But I agree with shinlyle on this subject. That identity disc that SHIELD has really doesn't contradict the story that Millar is doing. As shinlyle said the government wants the superheroes to register with the US GOVERNMENT and work for the GOVERNMENT.

So, the Avengers would be answering to the government and certain officials just like the regular United States military does.

And heroes like Daredevil, Moonknight, and Spider-Man wouldn't be loner vigilantes...they'd have to work for the government or hang up the tights for the rest of their lives. That's what it's about.

But I agree with shin. I see the Identity Disc that SHIELD has playing a huge role in catching the rogue heroes.

The best part of the story, to me, is going to be how the villains react to it all. That's where the fun will be.

The Registration Act might also be put in place for any future super-powered beings who happen to show up....

In the world of the Marvel Universe, brand new metahumans show up on practically a weekly basis.

[shinlyle]

The best part of the story, to me, is going to be how the villains react to it all. That's where the fun will be.


Amen to that! I wasn't going to pick up CW: Frontline, but then I heard it shows the villians and how they are reacting to the SRA....especially when Norman confronts Ben Urich!!!

gah!!! I can't wait!!!!:up:

[shinlyle]

A preview of ASM 532: http://www.popcultureshock.com/reviews.php?id=5616

Doesn't give much away. The art seemed better...

The artwork has improved alot....but did anyone else notice that Peter's hair and Tony's hari are drawn exactly alike? Also, Peter's facial hair is growing out....is he becoming Tony Stark's look alike?!?!

(I was kidding. Please don't flame this thread. It was a joke)

[Captivated]

The artwork has improved alot....but did anyone else notice that Peter's hair and Tony's hari are drawn exactly alike? Also, Peter's facial hair is growing out....is he becoming Tony Stark's look alike?!?!

(I was kidding. Please don't flame this thread. It was a joke)Ha! I had to go back and look... Hmmm... Not so much.... Peter's hair is parted and Tony's isn't. I assume the stubble was to indicate that this was a "get up and go, no time to shave" momment.

The faces do look better, but Peter's hair is STILL too light, and MJ needs to loose the hair band.

I wonder if there is some sort of editorial directive... make MJ look less attractive... as some sort of long-term plan to make her loose favor with the fans. She's not looking that hot here and SSM has her looking downright haggard.

[SpideyInATree]

I wonder if there is some sort of editorial directive... make MJ look less attractive... as some sort of long-term plan to make her loose favor with the fans. She's not looking that hot here and SSM has her looking downright haggard.

Wow. Are fans getting that paranoid that Marvel is getting rid of MJ? :eek:

[shinlyle]

Wow. Are fans getting that paranoid that Marvel is getting rid of MJ? :eek:

Now...where would we get that idea? It's not like Joey Q/ has been ranting and raving against Peter and MJ's marriage for the last month in Wizard and on the internet, is it? ;)

[MaskedManJRK]

Well, from the sounds of ASM, it looks like your worst fears have been answered...

[SpideyInATree]

MJ gets impaled by a Goblin glider?

[MaskedManJRK]

MJ gets impaled by a Goblin glider?

Nope.

The story ends with Spidey in a press confrence of Tony Stark's apparently about to reveal his idenity.

[Trask]

Nope.

The story ends with Spidey in a press confrence of Tony Stark's apparently about to reveal his idenity.

I think his announcment will be more his support for the act or obedience of the law than reavealing his ID. Altho it would be fun to see him reveal his ID, just to see JJ's face.

Spider Man: I am here to tell the world that Spider-man is in fact Peter Parker.

Iron Man: Peter what the hell are you doing?

Spider Man: I thought you wanted me to come out with my ID Tony.

Iron Man: For gods sake why did you use my name, I just wanted you to announce your support for the act.

Spider Man: But you said you told them you were Iron Man already.

Iron Man: THAT WAS THE F*****G PRESIDENT, NOT THE WHOLE F*****G WORLD.

Spider Man: Sorry I though...

Iron Man: The one time I need you to call me boss and you call me Tony? You are fired.

Spider Man: But boss I need the job, I cant do anything else now.

Iron Man: I want you and your family out of my house by the end of the day.

[SpideyInATree]

Nope.

The story ends with Spidey in a press confrence of Tony Stark's apparently about to reveal his idenity.

I see. That's what I'm looking forward to. Though I think most Spidey fans are preoccupied with the thought of MJ biting the big one since Quesada has been running his mouth off about the marriage.

[cart1]

New civil war trailer http://www.marvel.com/news/-1.464

[cart1]

Nope.

The story ends with Spidey in a press confrence of Tony Stark's apparently about to reveal his idenity.
Well in the Preview for Thunderbolts 103 you got the Answer

[SpideyInATree]

Well in the Preview for Thunderbolts 103 you got the Answer

And a fantastic answer it is. :)

[MyPokerShirt]

Yeah...I thought that SHIELD was unsponsored in the 616...I couldn't recall. Still, SHIELD files aren't US files. I'm willing to bet that SHIELD is just going to be a means of capturing the heroes FOR the US, seeing as how they have all their IDs on file and what-not.

um.. ur bein stooopid. He meant UN sponsored (not unsponsored) in 616, as opposed to a US organisation. I know the United Nations is ignored in america but thats just silly

[Spiderluke]

And a fantastic answer it is. :)

I want to know the answer!!! Somebody tell me.:confused:

[stillanerd]

I want to know the answer!!! Somebody tell me.:confused:

The answer is 42 :D

Or in this case a couple of threads down if you want to be spoiled.

[cart1]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/0619sm_t.jpg (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/0619sm.jpg)With estimates of Civil War #1 coming in at around 260,000 copies shipped to retailers, and reports of re-orders on #1 quickly heading north of 30,000 copies, the debut issue of Marvel’s summer event is looking to be an “event” apart from crossover nature of the storyline. As Comics Buyer’s Guide’s John Jackson Miller reports in his analysis of May sales, at an estimated 260,700 copies, Civil War #1 narrowly missed being the top selling since issue of the new century, as it came in just under All-Star Batman and Robin #1’s 261,100 copies in July of last year. All told, Civil War #1 helped propel May's numbers (http://www.newsarama.com/marketreport/may06sales.html) to their highest in years.

Although, given re-orders, the number of copies reported for a month on a top-selling title is rarely static, and Civil War #1 is no exception. With writer Mark Millar anecdotally reporting 37,000 copies of #1 re-ordered, we asked Marvel VP of Sales David Gabriel if not to confirm specific figures, at least to ballpark some close numbers of issues sold to retailers, as well as the velocity Marvel is seeing on the first two issues.

“On issue #1, we’re days from hitting the 300K mark and surpassing it,” Gabriel told Newsarama. “With the variants, we pretty much have passed it already, but looking at it as a single cover book - as retailers are already claiming - it has sold the most copies in many, many years.

“I can also add that once all copies printed of the first cover are gone, and with the upcoming Directors Cut, we will actually surpass a 350K mark, most likely before issue #4 ever hits stands. Retailers also are claiming that they have seen more new faces than ever before, come in to purchase the series and all the tie ins.”

Additionally, Gabriel confirmed for Newsarama that Marvel has gone back to print on issue #2 (second printing cover above), and as such, the second printing of that issue will most likely take the number of copies of that issue sold to retailers over the 300K mark as well.

“And issue #3 is already tracking as high as if not higher than issue #2 at this point,” Gabriel added