5.19 - Mercy - Official Thread (spoilers)

[triplet]

'Kay, couldn't find a thread for this one so I'm making one.

Craig just posted the official write (http://www.kryptonsite.com/mercydescription.htm)up:

MARTHA’S LIFE IS IN DANGER AND ONLY LIONEL CAN SAVE HER — A masked tormentor (guest star Ian Tracey) takes Lionel (John Glover) hostage and orchestrates a series of elaborate games that Lionel must win in order to stay alive. After Clark (Tom Welling) tells Martha (Annette O’Toole) that Lionel knows his secret, she sets out to confront him, but inadvertently becomes a pawn in the tormentor’s game and ends up fighting for her life. Kristin Kreuk, Michael Rosenbaum, Erica Durance and Allison Mack also star. The episode was written by Steven DeKnight and directed by James Marshall (#2T6419).

[Threshold]

Sounds intriguing...

[Kane]

Damn I guess Mercy from the comics doesnt appear here. Thats okay though, it actually sounds interesting.

[Lara]

So it's Saw for Smallville. Oh well I just want to see more of Martha/Lionel so I'm happy.

[Kal-El 8]

'Kay, couldn't find a thread for this one so I'm making one.

Craig just posted the official write (http://www.kryptonsite.com/mercydescription.htm)up:

MARTHA’S LIFE IS IN DANGER AND ONLY LIONEL CAN SAVE HER — A masked tormentor (guest star Ian Tracey) takes Lionel (John Glover) hostage and orchestrates a series of elaborate games that Lionel must win in order to stay alive. After Clark (Tom Welling) tells Martha (Annette O’Toole) that Lionel knows his secret, she sets out to confront him, but inadvertently becomes a pawn in the tormentor’s game and ends up fighting for her life. Kristin Kreuk, Michael Rosenbaum, Erica Durance and Allison Mack also star. The episode was written by Steven DeKnight and directed by James Marshall (#2T6419).

:down :down , Why do I get the feeling this is all a set up, And Martha The bate, And Clark is going to have to use his powers to save her .

I hate that this Martha & Lionel relationship .:mad:

[triplet]

I love the Martha/Lionel dynamic and can't wait to see her ire when she discovers he's been manipulating her...

Hell hath no fury... :D


Annette and John will be great in this episode!

It's all good... :up:

[GothicPowerMix1]

I hate that this Martha & Lionel relationship

At least Martha is going to confront him about knowing Clarks Secret :o So by the Season Finale their relationship should be done :o

[Kane]

I dont know about that. Lionel could easily manipulate her into believing hes been trying to protect Clark's secret. I see something like that happening.

[KalKai]

WB released 3 Mercy images (images resized):

http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/5078/5190019sr.jpg

http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/5125/5190028ut.jpg

http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/8365/5190032qg.jpg

Thanks to DTS.

[SsM]

so lionel isnt trying to protect clarks secret??? is he bad or is he good or is he inbetween now? i can never tell hes always different in each episode :/

[rumpuso]

Oooooo! What are he and Lex doing in the same room together??? They're both looking intently at something and (for the moment) NOT fighting.

[avidreader]

Cool pics. Thanks Kalkai! :up:

[KalKai]

2 more..

http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/8009/5190041ke.jpg

http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/3243/5190054vx.jpg

[avidreader]

I'm happy to see that Martha has taken her bright red lipstick off. :D

[SsM]

cmonnnnnnnn answwer me LOOK AT ME PAY ATTENTION :x

[KalKai]

so lionel isnt trying to protect clarks secret??? is he bad or is he good or is he inbetween now? i can never tell hes always different in each episode :/

SciFi Mag April 2006:

And look for Lionel to cause more than a little trouble of his own. "Obviously, Lionel certainly has feelings for Martha Kent. You remember she worked for him, and they had a good relationship. Lionel will become a very dangerous person to Clark," says Litvack. "Lionel will become, probably in one way, the biggest threat to Clark for the end of the season."

[SsM]

Dang, I was really hoping that lionel would stay a good guy :/ Thanks for the info.

[SuperSoldier87]

SciFi Mag April 2006:

And look for Lionel to cause more than a little trouble of his own. "Obviously, Lionel certainly has feelings for Martha Kent. You remember she worked for him, and they had a good relationship. Lionel will become a very dangerous person to Clark," says Litvack. "Lionel will become, probably in one way, the biggest threat to Clark for the end of the season." Or this could be another distraction for Clark to lose his sight of what's really going on which is Lex's partnership with Brainiac. Remember throughout Season 3 Clark was worrying about Lionel that Clark didn't find out until the season finale that Lex was still investigating him.

[KalKai]

10 more..

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http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/6989/5190111tv.jpg

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5976/5190125ho.jpg

[KalKai]

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/1780/5190131fr.jpg

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5356/5190143qe.jpg

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3784/5190156vx.jpg

[SuperSoldier87]

Wow. This episode is looking more interesting the more photos I'm see'n. The one with Lionel screaming, probably it's about Martha being kidnapped but just for speculation maybe Jor-EL is telling Lionel what to do and he's screaming "GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!" which is why he says to Clark in the preview for the next episode about altering his destiny the way Lionel sees it before Clark superthrows him five times more damage then what JK did to Lionel.

[triplet]

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5976/5190125ho.jpg




^^--- Game Over?

Interesting....

[Serene]

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3784/5190156vx.jpg

What a great, intense shot. Love it.

[Kal-El 8]

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3784/5190156vx.jpg

The look says SUPERMAN :supes:

[Kal-El 8]

TV Guide Description for Mercy

Lionel Luthor finds himself the victim of a mysterious tormentor (Ian Tracey) who uses a series of life-or-death riddles and puzzles that eventually pit Lionel against Martha Kent.

[Super_Ludacris]

Sounds cool

[Mike_D202]

:down :down , Why do I get the feeling this is all a set up, And Martha The bate, And Clark is going to have to use his powers to save her .

I hate that this Martha & Lionel relationship .:mad:

um...well...he IS superman.

btw, does anybody else find it weird that they dont mention Lionel at all in the episode after this over at kryptonsite.com??

[KalKai]

Mention him where? They don't mention everything on K-Site, he won't die don't worry lol.

[Kaboom]

Mention him where? They don't mention everything on K-Site, he won't die don't worry lol.

not yet anyway.....lex is going to take care of that soon though.

[Brainiac 8]

Actually there has been a rather irritating lack of information for the second half of the season. I would like some spoiler bits for this and other episodes, but there doesn't seem to be any.:mad:

[avidreader]

Actually there has been a rather irritating lack of information for the second half of the season. I would like some spoiler bits for this and other episodes, but there doesn't seem to be any.:mad:

Well in the interview with Annette O'Toole, I think it was the Boston Herald, she said that this episode was a cross between Saw and the Matrix. We know about the game playing, that's in the episode description, but now I'm wondering if its all virtual.

[Super_Ludacris]

You know we could do just do it the old fashion way and just watch it when it comes on. I mean heaven forbid...

[avidreader]

You know we could do just do it the old fashion way and just watch it when it comes on. I mean heaven forbid...

Where's the fun in that. :)

[Super_Ludacris]

Where's the fun in that. :)


Sitting down on a Thursday night and seeing what they got with no suprises thats what.

[avidreader]

Sitting down on a Thursday night and seeing what they got with no suprises thats what.

Nah, I like to speculate and be totally wrong. :)

[Super_Ludacris]

Most of the spoilers pratically write out the episode for you

[Brainiac 8]

Most of the spoilers pratically write out the episode for you

I don't necessarily want all of those spoilers, but I like to get a little here and a little there. Enough to make me speculate and look forward to the episode.

This is a guy guilty of reading the last page of a book first to get the ending, and then reading the rest of the book to see how it gets there.:O

I am so embarassed.

[avidreader]

Most of the spoilers pratically write out the episode for you

Not this season. Actually, I think the little snippets we've had have been better than the usual almost entire script that we're given.

It gets fans so angsty it cracks me up. :) :D

[AgentPat]

This is a guy guilty of reading the last page of a book first to get the ending, and then reading the rest of the book to see how it gets there.:OAnd there's something unusual about this? You're a Smallville fan. Think about it. :p

[avidreader]

This is a guy guilty of reading the last page of a book first to get the ending, and then reading the rest of the book to see how it gets there.:O

I am so embarassed.

Okay, I'll put my hand up for that one too.

And there's something unusual about this? You're a Smallville fan. Think about it. :p

That's so right. It doesnt make the story less interesting cause you know the outcome.

[Brainiac 8]

And there's something unusual about this? You're a Smallville fan. Think about it. :p

LOL, you are correct madam.;)

[triplet]

And there's something unusual about this? You're a Smallville fan. Think about it. :p

ROTFLMFAO!

:D :up:

So true...

:supes:

[Serene]

I don't necessarily want all of those spoilers, but I like to get a little here and a little there. Enough to make me speculate and look forward to the episode.

The good thing about SV spoilers, is that they've been proven time and time again to not always be 100% accurate. Even spoilers pics have been total red herrings in the past. So I don't mind reading spoilers because they always leave lots of room for doubt.

[Brainiac 8]

The good thing about SV spoilers, is that they've been proven time and time again to not always be 100% accurate. Even spoilers pics have been total red herrings in the past. So I don't mind reading spoilers because they always leave lots of room for doubt.


Exactimundo!:up: :supes:

[Mike_D202]

You know we could do just do it the old fashion way and just watch it when it comes on. I mean heaven forbid...

NO!

[Super_Ludacris]

NO!



























































































































































yes....

[triplet]

Craig just posted early caps of the trailer, even though we haven't seen it yet. He said it will air after tonight's episode.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/mercytrailer1.htm

[Asr]

When I saw the trailer for this ep after "Fragile" last night, I went "WTF?!"

I mean seriously, WHAT is wrong with Smallville's writers that they have to keep ripping off successful movies? (In this case SAW.) Do they have no creativity? When I saw the SAW stuff I groaned loudly! And "Game Over"? You've GOT to be kidding me, you're telling me the writers couldn't even come up with an alternate catchphrase?

Someone needs to fire the writers and hire new ones...

[Super_Ludacris]

Until the ratings plummet, the writers arent getting fired. The WB aint listening to the internet

[Kaboom]

how can you listen to the inernet......read it maybe.

although if the internet had avoice i bet it would sound like majel barrett.

;)

[tabLengle]

stop, stop, KABOOM baby rub on my nipples......awesome song.

[Super_Ludacris]

how can you listen to the inernet......read it maybe.

although if the internet had avoice i bet it would sound like majel barrett.

;)

y'all know what I'm saying though

[avidreader]

Ya know I've never seen or heard anything about the movie Saw, so not everyone is going to make a connection and Annette O'Toole said it was a cross between the Saw and the Matrix.

Has anyone listened to the voice behind the mask that comes out of the computer, it sounds like Lex?

[KalKai]

Trailer: http://download.yousendit.com/649ADF3654719854

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/8812/mercytrailer00013ch.jpg

[Serene]

Trailer: http://download.yousendit.com/649ADF3654719854
Is that a new trailer, KalK? For some reason it doesn't want to work for me anyway. :(

[KalKai]

It's not new, better quality though. Its .asf, windows media player or any other player should be able to play it.

[Super_Ludacris]

Got the Codecs?

[Serene]

Martha, Martha, Martha! :D

Interview with AOT (she's so sweet) and a clip from Mercy.

http://wb11.trb.com/news/local/morningnews/?track=nav

[Supershizzle]

"We both know he's going to need you, to become the man the world so desperately needs." :up:

[jr24tw]

City TV has their trailer up. Go check out their site and watch it.

[Serene]

City TV has their trailer up. Go check out their site and watch it.
Oh..
*Squeal!*

That's a pretty sweet little clip. Short but exciting. Thanks, Jana :)

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/tvshows_smallville.aspx

[KalKai]

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/1746/clmercy6ep.gif

& new preview clip at tv.com

http://www.tv.com/media_player/5019/4/viewer.php&context_type=101&context_id=1718

[Serene]

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/1746/clmercy6ep.gif

Waitaminute...Clark looks like he's.. flying in that clip. :eek: Isn't he pushing the grate with Lionel and Martha on it back upwards?

[KalKai]

It could be just the camera.. i'm not sure.

[AgentPat]

Waitaminute...Clark looks like he's.. flying in that clip. :eek: Isn't he pushing the grate with Lionel and Martha on it back upwards?It does look like that, but it's probably the camera zooming in from above. I'd wager it's an optical illusion that makes it look like the camera is stationary and the elevator is moving verses the other way around.






That said, we all know it won't be long now. Three weeks and counting... http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/flirt.gif

[Serene]

It could be just the camera.. i'm not sure.
You're probably right. Maybe he's just catching the grate as it's falling and lifting it up a bit.

Freaked me out! LOL

[rumpuso]

Waitaminute...Clark looks like he's.. flying in that clip. :eek: Isn't he pushing the grate with Lionel and Martha on it back upwards?
I think mostly they are honing in on Clark's face since he performed a "super" act in front of Lionel.

[AgentPat]

I think mostly they are honing in on Clark's face since he performed a "super" act in front of Lionel.:up: Check out his expression too...


http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/busted.gif <- Clark


LOL

[rumpuso]

Apparently Steve DeKnight wrote this episode and is interested in feedback on his newly opened MySpace.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2045147#post2045147

Seems legitimate. Kyrptonsite Craig is in the thread asking a question to him too.

[avidreader]

Apparently Steve DeKnight wrote this episode and is interested in feedback on his newly opened MySpace.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2045147#post2045147

Seems legitimate. Kyrptonsite Craig is in the thread asking a question to him too.

Hey that is so cool. :up: He writes well, so its just possible that it is him and why wouldnt they want to be there to help the show in any way can.

[GothicPowerMix1]

So BOTH Lionel & Martha see him stop that thingy ? Or is that just good Editing ?

[Serene]

Apparently Steve DeKnight wrote this episode and is interested in feedback on his newly opened MySpace.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2045147#post2045147

Seems legitimate. Kyrptonsite Craig is in the thread asking a question to him too.

That's so cool.
A couple of the writers for HL were regulars on one of the boards I used to frequent. We knew they were the real deal because most of us had met them at conventions. It was really great to be able to get to know them and ask them questions about things, and to see how they really were "fans" of the show too.

One thing they always said, that I see SD also commenting on in that K-site thread, is how little control the writers have of what actually makes to our TV sets. So many changes come about all the way down the line from their pens to the final edits. It's interesting that SD says on BtVS, the writers had much more control of the final product, but on SV they really don't.

[Super_Ludacris]

He gonna get so much abuse on myspace lol

[Mike_D202]

30-minutes till it airs :)

[GothicPowerMix1]

Lionel was able to guess that really quick

[GothicPowerMix1]

What the hell I thought Clark was going to tell her about how he found out Lionel knows through Jonathan :confused:

That was very disappointing

[Super_Ludacris]

LMAO@ posting while the show is going on.

[GothicPowerMix1]

LMAO@ posting while the show is going on.

Everyone does it dude

[Colossal Spoons]

So it's Saw for Smallville.

Totally

[The Sage]

Wow, Saw, even the deathtrap.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Totally

The cheap non bloody version

[GothicPowerMix1]

Something tells me Lex found someone that hates Lionel guts & paid him to do this :confused:

[Unleashed]

God, this is so sad. They are really reaching now

[GothicPowerMix1]

lol @ Clark looking sad because he wanted to Super Speed there

[The Sage]

Tell me Luda, is this more interesting than exploring the mythos?

[GothicPowerMix1]

Who does everyone think is behind this ?


Someone Lex paid off ?
Lex himself ? (all of this is recorded & everything set to automatic ?
Or is this really a whole new person that Lionel screwed over in the past

[Colossal Spoons]

God, this is so sad. They are really reaching now

Definately. I thought last week's episode was bad. This is bad AND unoriginal.

[Unleashed]

THAT'S ****ING BULL****!!!:mad:

[GothicPowerMix1]

& now the rival will get stronger now between Clark & Lex. Lionel will be so amazed with Clark & what he can do Lex will get jealous that Lionel likes Clark more then him yada yada

[Triligors]

Even though it's SAW for Smallville.

It was a VERY tense episode. And REALLY well done. One of my favorites.

Many classic moments:

Lionell and Martha in the elevator with Lex hearing everything!!!

Lionell is Jor-El confirmation.... "son"

Really a great episode.

[Venom71]

Sure it is a Saw Rip Off but I have to say I really like this episode....was hoping he would fly/superjump to get the elevator out of there but still cool!:up:

[GothicPowerMix1]

Uh oh

Lex is going to get mad with what Lionel just said

[Colossal Spoons]

Wow, I'd never put tonight's episode anywhere near my favorites list.


LMAO@ posting while the show is going on.

Uh oh

Lex is going to get mad with what Lionel just said

Hehe, like live commentary.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Clark just layed the smack down on Lionel. I like it :up:

[The Sage]

Last couple of minutes were great. Skip the rest.

[AgentPat]

Oh MAN! That scene between Clark and Lionel at the end.... holy crap!!! That was intense. What a great episode! :up:

[GothicPowerMix1]

Last couple of minutes were great. Skip the rest.

It's been the same as usual so far this Season :o

[The Guardian]

THAT WAS A GREAT ENDING, JOR-EL IS DEFINATELY IN THERE.:eek: :up: :D

[tonytr1687]

This whole "is he Lionel or is he Jor-El" game the writers are playing is getting ridiculous. Lionel has done WAAAYY too many MB-style things on his own, in the absense of ppl like Clark and Martha and Lex, for him to be Jor-El. Not to mention there is no way Jor-El would ever be so interested in Martha and Lex's lives and Luthorcorp so as to involve himself like Lionel has. I thought it was practically confirmed that Lionel was his old self, and now the writers had to throw this on us to confuse us again. He better not be Jor-El or a reformed Lionel, otherwise this season will be end up with a ton of plot holes.

But WHAT THE HELL was that ending with Lionel? He grabs his head in pain and starts writing furiously on a piece of paper? What the **** is that supposed to mean? Otherwise, a great scene between him and Clark. Also loved the last scene with Lionel and Lex. I felt so bad for Lex right there.

[AgentPat]

Last couple of minutes were great. Skip the rest.Oh c'mon Sage. :mad:

What was wrong with *that* episode, eh? (I didn't see Saw, so I could care less how similar it was.) There weren't even any FOTW's in this one. An episode that focuses mostly on Lionel and Martha - played by two actors who have all their ducks in a row in a major way - isn't something you see every week. And my GOD! That scene at the end. Holy Toledo. When's the last time you saw Clark in THAT mode? :p :p :p

[Morg]

can't the writers think for themselves? A geez saw ripoff? OY! Only good part was the ending between Clark and Lionel

[GothicPowerMix1]

If the Season Finale is nothing but AMAZING. Then aside from Fine this Season = very lacking

[Kane]

Wow. What a twisted episode, but unlike Tomb....this was twisted in a good way.

Very entertaining scenes. Glover was great as usual.

This episode seems to raise more questions than answer them though.

Lionel certainly wasnt acting like himself in the final scene, he was talking like a Kryptonian :confused:

What's stopping Lex from figuring Clark is a metahuman or alien? So many evidence before his eyes and yet he seems so blind.

Why do I have a twisted feeling Jor-El is tied to all this somehow....

It also seems Lana's feelings for Lex are real. No duplicity.

Martha seems to be growing very close to Lionel after this incident too. Are they both pawns?

The most unnerving part in all this is we dont know who the true villian is... Lionel? Zod? Jor-El? Whos been playing this twisted game.

The only negative with this episode was the Tormentor...his identity of being some random dude kinda sucked. I would have written him as Morgan Edge. That'd be a pretty insane twist.

Overall, great to watch as all Lionel-focused episodes tend to be. Im sad we didnt get more Lionel episodes earlier on but thankfully it looks like he has a huge part to play in the final episodes. After 3 weeks of crap, I'm glad they gave him an episode.

I'd give it 4.5 out of 5. It loses a 0.5 for the episode antagonist being a random dude, but overall good episode, Lionel's been starved for focus way too long on SV. He used to be my favorite Smallville character from the getgo before they ruined him in Season 4. I think if they play their cards right, maybe they can redeem him and fix him.

[Brainiac 8]

This whole "is he Lionel or is he Jor-El" game the writers are playing is getting ridiculous. Lionel has done WAAAYY too many MB-style things on his own, in the absense of ppl like Clark and Martha and Lex, for him to be Jor-El. Not to mention there is no way Jor-El would ever be so interested in Martha and Lex's lives so as to involve himself like Lionel has. I thought it was practically confirmed that Lionel was his old self, and now the writers had to throw this on us to confuse us again. He better not be Jor-El or a reformed Lionel, otherwise this season will be end up with a ton of plot holes.


Actyally Tony, he would be interested in Martha to stay close to Clark, and Lex to protect Clark. Many here have thought that Lionel has been Lion-el for a while. I don't think we have seen a genuine Lionel this whole season. I think Jor-el has been keeping close tabs on his ward this whole time, making sure that Clark is ready to handle his destiny when the time comes.

Clark has proven himself many times this season that he is much closer to being ready for the big league than he used to be. (Hidden, Solitude, Arrival) Looks like that father's "Tough Love" worked out after all.:D

[tonytr1687]

I was hoping Lionel would somehow be behind it all. I mean how awesome would that have been? If he had done all that so he could get closer to Martha AND witness Clark's powers firsthand? But then I realized it couldn't be b/c of the scene on the train tracks and in his office...he wasn't in front of anybody he would have been trying to fool and yet he was completely scared and surprised by what was going on.

[tonytr1687]

Actyally Tony, he would be interested in Martha to stay close to Clark, and Lex to protect Clark. Many here have thought that Lionel has been Lion-el for a while. I don't think we have seen a genuine Lionel this whole season. I think Jor-el has been keeping close tabs on his ward this whole time, making sure that Clark is ready to handle his destiny when the time comes.

Clark has proven himself many times this season that he is much closer to being ready for the big league than he used to be. (Hidden, Solitude, Arrival) Looks like that father's "Tough Love" worked out after all.:D

Yeah but why wouldnt he just reveal his cards to Clark and tell him he was still in Lionel's body like in Hidden? Doesnt make sense for him to be playing this game. It's so unlike Jor-El since so far he's been very straightforward to Clark about his intentions. And no matter what Jor-El's intentions would be for getting close to Lex and Martha, the fact is Jor-El doesn't really care about anyone but Clark. He has shown himself to be quite unconcerned about human beings so I dont see why he would want to concern himself with Martha and Lex, even if it meant helping Clark.

[Brainiac 8]

Yeah but why wouldnt he just reveal his cards to Clark and tell him he was still in Lionel's body like in Hidden? Doesnt make sense for him to be playing this game. It's so unlike Jor-El since so far he's been very straightforward to Clark about his intentions.


Like many parent and child relationships, expecially father/son ones, maybe he felt his KNOWN presence would alter some of the decisions Clark made; or maybe question them. Clark would have to prove something to him knowing he was around watching him, that might have made him change his decisions for the worse.

Keeping his identity secret, then there was nothing interfering with Clark doing what it is he needed to do when the situation called for it. No "pressure" as it were.

[Kane]

As long as Lionel isnt directly being controlled by Jor-El...or had his mind messed up somehow, its all good.

I want it to be so Lionel developed from what he was to this somehow...instead of having his mind messed up cause then it really wouldnt be the real Lionel Luthor at all.

They need to keep Lionel on this show till the end.

[tonytr1687]

Like many parent and child relationships, expecially father/son ones, maybe he felt his KNOWN presence would alter some of the decisions Clark made; or maybe question them. Clark would have to prove something to him knowing he was around watching him, that might have made him change his decisions for the worse.

Keeping his identity secret, then there was nothing interfering with Clark doing what it is he needed to do when the situation called for it. No "pressure" as it were.

You make a good point, but why kill Griff? Why act so ruthless like he has in some episodes recently? We've seen him continue to act very Lionel-like even when he's by himself. If he was Jor-El, wouldn't he be acting quite different when alone?

[Brainiac 8]

You make a good point, but why kill Griff? Why act so ruthless like he has in some episodes recently? We've seen him continue to act very Lionel-like even when he's by himself. If he was Jor-El, wouldn't he be acting quite different when alone?


But, what was it Griff had when Lionel killed him? Pictures appearently threatening to Clark. Jor-el in this continuity would obviously do what it took to protect Clark in any way he can. He has already shown how concerned he is for humans, his sons continued protection comes first. If that means a person has to bite it...then so be it.

[Kane]

This was the perfect episode for 4/20. Who needs drugs? It really f^cks with your head.

[thebigtree95]

This show never ceases to come up with a new way to create emotions in the viewer.

Martha and Clark together in their family moments are fantastic. When she saw Clark after he stopped the elevator and they just hugged, good stuff.

What an incredible scene with Clark and Lionel. People continue to say that Clark is too trusting...Oh really? He might give the superpowered some benefit of the doubt from time to time, in which case he has been right as recently as last week, and many times over previous seasons, but that isn't always the case. Instead of sitting back and letting Lionel think he has all the control of the situation, Clark let him know he isn't going to just cower under is knowledge. I can't wait to find out what exactly is wrong with Lionel and his headaches, and what he was writing down.

Tom said that he wasn't going to be able to do much in the episodes before and after he directed, but he sure had some good scenes in the few he had.

Lex is either going to have another nervous breakdown or have to be mindwiped, he is gathering just as much info on Clark as Lionel without the benefit of Kryptonian interference.

What an excellent episode, this is one satisfied viewer.

[GothicPowerMix1]

For some reason I am looking forward to Supernaturals Finale more then Smallville. It will be great to see these guys get their revenge :up:

[The Sage]

Oh c'mon Sage. :mad:

What was wrong with *that* episode, eh? (I didn't see Saw, so I could care less how similar it was.) There weren't even any FOTW's in this one. An episode that focuses mostly on Lionel and Martha - played by two actors who have all their ducks in a row in a major way - isn't something you see every week. And my GOD! That scene at the end. Holy Toledo. When's the last time you saw Clark in THAT mode? :p :p :p

I said the last two minutes were excellent. The rest of it felt filler. I'm getting kinda tired of Chloe as Oracle. They need to just set her up in the Watchtower. It felt like everything was just stuffed in to get to those final minutes. Plus, there is that Saw stuff.

[Unleashed]

Plus him catching the falling elevator is complete and utter bull****.

[Serene]

And my GOD! That scene at the end. Holy Toledo. When's the last time you saw Clark in THAT mode? :p :p :p

That's on the list of all-time favorite SV scenes now. Man.. Angry, intimidating, threatening Clark is something to behold indeed! My son even called me from school to rave about that scene.

As far as the ep being a rip-off of Saw.. Meh. Was that a surprise for anyone? It was pretty obvious from the trailers that was coming down. Here's the thing.. Saw didn't have Lionel and Martha. :) So it didn't bother me at all. I saw Saw (lol) and while the concept of being trapped and having to solve puzzles was the same, the similarities end there. Very abruptly.

I wasn't sure if I was going to like a Lionel/Martha-centric episode, but you know.. they totally sold it for me. I liked watching the two of them interact, I thought their responses to each other were very believable.

Lana and Lex.. Gaaah! I like it, but it makes my head hurt. I think they're handling this really well though. It's a slooowly unfolding story.. If they had them clinching and sucking face again this episode, I think it would have felt rushed. But it was just another brief tease, without showing all the card AGAIN..

Did I mention how great that last scene was?!!!! Screencaps! I need screencaps, Kalkai! :D

[KikiDee]

I've never seen SAW either so I thought the episode was pretty spectacular. Loved the look Clark gave Lex when he asked if they could maybe get back to where they were. He's pretty much made his mind up about Lex. Interesting that Lex is putting all the pieces together wonder where they are going to go with that?

Oh and I do like the chemistry between Lex and Lana it's way more mature. I don't know if that has to do with the actors or the writing, but it definitely feels more like an adult relationship as opposed to that school girl thing she had going with Clark.

As far as Lionel goes he had a headache earlier in the show too. I'm wondering if Jor-El takes over to protect his Vessel. I don't think Lionel knows or saw anything that Clark did. It's just the way he says son.......someone asked earlier why wouldn't he come out and say who he was. Well, would you if every time you spoke to Clark he pretty much told you to piss off. I'm thinking he's holding his cards close to his chest until it's time to lay down.

[KikiDee]

Plus him catching the falling elevator is complete and utter bull****.

UH What?!!

[Unleashed]

It's a little thing called physics.

[Serene]

It's a little thing called physics.

The Physics of Superman. You know.. that's the branch that has laws that allow for men to run at the speed of light and have heat vision. Oh yeah.. and that flying thing..

[KikiDee]

It's a little thing called physics.

You're using physics on Superman? Didn't you know that the yellow sun prohibits the law of physics applying to any being possessing supernatural strength, heat vision, super hearing or the ability to fly?

[KikiDee]

The Physics of Superman. You know.. that's the branch that has laws that allow for men to run at the speed of light and have heat vision. Oh yeah.. and that flying thing..

Hee Great minds......except I forgot the supersonic speed.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Serene]

Hee Great minds......except I forgot the supersonic speed.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif
GMTA, baby. :up:

[Unleashed]

That's just ignorant

[celldog]

Don't forget the Byrne explanation of how he lifts huge things. His mind pushes them. :supes:

[KikiDee]

Don't forget the Byrne explanation of how he lifts huge things. His mind pushes them. :supes:

Yea mind powers..:up:

[thebigtree95]

Perhaps Superman uses the same technique that The Flash does, and that is by absorbing the inertia into his own body and protecting the regular humans.

[RakuMon]

Cool episode! Even though it was an ode to SAW, it was stll better than last year's House of Wax episode (Forever). That last scene with Clark and Lionel was INTENSE. I love Welling's Superman voice. He also used it in his scenes with Lex.

The only thing I wished to happen was the way he stopped the elevator. I was SOOOO ready for him to jump toward the falling elevator. It even looked that way the way his X-ray panned up the elevator shaft. I would've gone bananas if he leaped!

[DarthSkywalker]

God why must they rip off horror flicks. Bad horror flicks. This is Smallville, not the Twilight Zone.

What happened. The first half of this season was so good, how did it go so wrong. The Lex/Lana crap, Brainiac being reduced to the T-1000, and now crappy episode after crappy episode.

[Kane]

You get used to it after a while. I think Ive just become desensitized to it, prolly why I liked this episode.

[DarthSkywalker]

You get used to it after a while. I think Ive just become desensitized to it, prolly why I liked this episode.

You think i would to. But damn this is getting terrible. :O

[Kane]

When Chloe, Lana and Lois have very little to do with the story and barely appear, it usually turns out good.

[user123456789]

The only thing I wished to happen was the way he stopped the elevator. I was SOOOO ready for him to jump toward the falling elevator. It even looked that way the way his X-ray panned up the elevator shaft. I would've gone bananas if he leaped!

Ditto.

[LostSon88]

I liked this episode.

Saw ripoff? Yes...but still pretty entertaining.

I LOVED the final scene w/ Lionel & Clark.

Clark using his "Superman" voice again was awesome! :)

[MJZ]

Great episode, I agree.

Next week's looks so-so but we're getting down to the wire...

[KalKai]

When's the last time you saw Clark in THAT mode?

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[KalKai]

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[KalKai]

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[GothicPowerMix1]

Clark using his "Superman" voice again was awesome! :)

Superman voice ? lmao

He was just pissed off that Lionel put his mother in danger. Whats next Clarks Superman State ? Clarks Superman Look :confused:

[The Sage]

Clark using his "Superman" voice again was awesome! :)

Huh?:confused:

[tonytr1687]

I think what really sold that last scene was how Clark lowered his voice and almost whispered when he was threatening Lionel. I dont think he's ever done that before and it was a sight to behold seeing a take-charge, bad-ass Superman instead of the boy scout we're used to.

[thechubbysaint]

I was actually hoping the bad guy would be Edward Nigma... but it was just a bad 'Saw'/ 'Nip Tuck: Carver' take off.

[The Sage]

Great episode, I agree.

Next week's looks so-so but we're getting down to the wire...

What does next week's episode looking so-so have to do with getting down to the wire?

[Serene]

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Can you post more from that scene? There was one in particular that I was looking for. It was framed just-so.. on Clark's face. It screamed :supes: .

I could get it from my tivo recording, but my caps don't come out nearly as sharp as yours.

[KalKai]

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[Mister J]

Nice change of pace ep, though the 'games' aspect was more than familiar. I thought I had the Lionel situation pretty well lined up, but now I don't know what to make of it. Clark put forth the premise that Lionel knew the gun wasn't loaded and I thought he was fumbling around with it while he was talking. I'll hold on that to further the belief that Lionel is still a conniving baddie.

I was annoyed by the inevitable appearance of Chloe Sullivan, Computer Genius/Storyline Advancement Crutch, but that disdain paled in comparison to my feelings on the dynamic between Martha and Lionel. That's just top-notch acting, as you would expect from those two performers. The elevator catch bothered me a bit, but that's just nitpicking.

The closing scene, as people have noted multiple times, was really powerful. Although the excellence of that scene was tempered by my trying to figure out what the hell Lionel was going through as the episode closed. Oh well, there's always next week.

All in all, an enjoyable filler episode with a couple of core plot devices mixed in. There was no Clark/Lana nonsense and Clark's insecure babbling was kept to a minimum. I'll take it, although I'm still waiting for the really good stuff.

[Serene]

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Are these enough Serene? lol.

Squee! That's the one. *sightremblemelt*

Thanks, KalK. *Hugs*

[MJZ]

What does next week's episode looking so-so have to do with getting down to the wire?

Who the **** wants to know?

[MJZ]

Can someone get a snap of Clark's reflection in Lionel's window?

Very Bermejo/LL:MOS there.

[KalKai]

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[LostSon88]

Superman voice ? lmao

He was just pissed off that Lionel put his mother in danger. Whats next Clarks Superman State ? Clarks Superman Look :confused:

Huh?:confused:












What Tony said:
:up:

I think what really sold that last scene was how Clark lowered his voice and almost whispered when he was threatening Lionel. I dont think he's ever done that before and it was a sight to behold seeing a take-charge, bad-ass Superman instead of the boy scout we're used to.

When TW takes Clark's voice and speaks a little deeper and more authorative.

Basically when he's in serious-mode and not sounding so damn whiny...that's Superman. :supes:

[The Sage]

Who the **** wants to know?

Me? Who the heck else? Clown.

What Tony said:
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When TW takes Clark's voice and speaks a little deeper and more authorative.

Basically when he's in serious-mode and not sounding so damn whiny...that's Superman. :supes:

Ah. I agree.:up:

[tonytr1687]

Okay...why are ppl complaining about Clark's elevator save? Dont tell me some **** about physics b/c this is friggin' Superman! Who the hell cares? He's got super-strength so he can stop the elevator! DUH!

[Pickle-El]

God why must they rip off horror flicks. Bad horror flicks. This is Smallville, not the Twilight Zone.

What happened. The first half of this season was so good, how did it go so wrong. The Lex/Lana crap, Brainiac being reduced to the T-1000, and now crappy episode after crappy episode.


In the words of my brother, 'They're just running out of ideas.'

He's 27.

I must say, I agree. While the episode was mildly entertaining on a very roll your eyes kinda level, (mainly because Glover can't do wrong) the 'Saw-esque' scenes went faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar beyond 'homage', it was blatant rip-off....

The Good:

Glover. The man just owns Lionel Luthor like the Yankees own the Red Sox in September. Hands down, the best gig on the series.

Welling. He had a few nice scenes...I still can't buy that tough guy voice he tries to bust when he's in authority mode. But, overall, he did well. Is it me, or does Clark come off like a jerk at times with his dirty looks though? Anyway, glad to see Clark isn't Lex's doormat.

MR. That line about Clark zooming across town was classic.

The format change was cool overall. Something different at least.....I guess being someone who's seen both Saw movies, I was like WTF? Still, a nice change for the show.

The Bad:

Chloe. I'm so sick of the writers using Chloe as some brain-child that comes up with the correct answers to EVERY situation Clark finds himself in...Geez. That got old in Season 3.

The Saw Rip-Off. Come on guys......It was practically copyright infringement.

Lana/Lex. They held that as the 'what'll happen next week moment' last week, and NOTHING.

And next week...it looks like another 'filler'. I wonder if the people behind Smallville ever realize why exactly some episodes get really high ratings....the trend is pretty obvious. That's all for now. And yes, my new sig kicks all ass.

Oh yeah. 7.5/10

[MJZ]

Me? Who the heck else? Clown.



It's pretty self-explanatory, fruity-pants.

Next week's look *ok* but with 3 episodes to go it ain't cause for alarm, as greatness is around the corner.

[EmmaInDoubt]

i agree,smallville needs to get back to the brainiac story arc,the ads for the "final battle" thing look so awesome

[KalKai]

Ads for the final battle? what ads?

[Super_Ludacris]

I liked this one, good little tense episode for Smallville, Lionel definetly did his thing and it's good to see him get some exposure. Glad they touched a little on Lex/Lana hopefully that will build down the home strech of the season and into next.
Anyone missed it, get at me on PM.

[AgentPat]

Yea mind powers..:up:ROFLMFAO!!!

Applying physics to Superman? Pfffft!!! C'mon peeps.

Catching an elevator as it falls is a no-brainer. Pulling helicopters out of the sky with no anchor... well... that's a different argument. :p

[AgentPat]

What Tony said:
:up:

I think what really sold that last scene was how Clark lowered his voice and almost whispered when he was threatening Lionel. I dont think he's ever done that before and it was a sight to behold seeing a take-charge, bad-ass Superman instead of the boy scout we're used to.When TW takes Clark's voice and speaks a little deeper and more authoritative.

Basically when he's in serious-mode and not sounding so damn whiny...that's Superman. :supes:Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WTF is it with some folks? People complain when Clark "whines," but when he starts to finally be authoritative in some way and act like... wow, SUPERMAN? (imagine that?), people complain even more? Crikey! People complain when there's too many FOTW's in the show, but when we get an episode that doesn't have one, people... STILL complain? GAH!!!

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I think the complainers should stop watching the show NOW before they hurt themselves. :o :p

[Super_Ludacris]

True, but you know the complainers are lonley because in real life people would just laugh at them.

*waits for them to get mad and respond in 5...4..3..*

[AgentPat]

True, but you know the complainers are lonley because in real life people would just laugh at them.

*waits for them to get mad and respond in 5...4..3..*Get your "You mad?" pic ready, Lud. ;)

[Super_Ludacris]

Cam is ready pat lol

[The Sage]

It's pretty self-explanatory, fruity-pants.

Next week's look *ok* but with 3 episodes to go it ain't cause for alarm, as greatness is around the corner.

Thanks for the reply, CLB.

You would think with three episodes left that they would build up to the greatness with goodness or semi-greatness instead of "filling" in the void.

[triplet]

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WTF is it with some folks? People complain when Clark "whines," but when he starts to finally be authoritative in some way and act like... wow, SUPERMAN? (imagine that?), people complain even more? Crikey! People complain when there's too many FOTW's in the show, but when we get an episode that doesn't have one, people... STILL complain? GAH!!!

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I think the complainers should stop watching the show NOW before they hurt themselves. :o :p

You can't please some people...

:rolleyes:

[Brainiac 8]

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WTF is it with some folks? People complain when Clark "whines," but when he starts to finally be authoritative in some way and act like... wow, SUPERMAN? (imagine that?), people complain even more? Crikey! People complain when there's too many FOTW's in the show, but when we get an episode that doesn't have one, people... STILL complain? GAH!!!

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I think the complainers should stop watching the show NOW before they hurt themselves. :o :p


That's about the way people are. They just have to have something to compain about, or else the world will expode.:p

[DarthSkywalker]

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WTF is it with some folks? People complain when Clark "whines," but when he starts to finally be authoritative in some way and act like... wow, SUPERMAN? (imagine that?), people complain even more? Crikey! People complain when there's too many FOTW's in the show, but when we get an episode that doesn't have one, people... STILL complain? GAH!!!

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I think the complainers should stop watching the show NOW before they hurt themselves. :o :p

A freak of the weak doesn't necessary need to be supernatural. Just need to be a enemy that in an episode is disposable. You got that again this week, in a Dr. Doom wannabe mask ripping off Saw. No that wasn't an homage.

And what is with Brainiac?!?!?!?!

[Brainiac 8]

When Clark threatened Lionel last night, I was half expecting Lionel to say..."Let the games begin.":D

It just reminded me of many encounters of Superman with Lex over the tenure of the comics.

[GarudA]

What was lionel writing down at the end of the episode?

[Serene]

What was lionel writing down at the end of the episode?
No one knows. But his grabbing his head was a bit reminiscent of Clark hearing the stones/disc call to him.

Perhaps it's Jor-El "using" Lionel's body as a vessel again to give a message to Clark. That's what my impression was.

[Lara]

Really good ep. Great acting, those two deserve as much screen time as possible =) I always love the Lex/Lionel sceens. Even the way they caught the guy made sense. Since I don't watch the real stuff I enjoy the horror-lite the acting saved it I was actually nervous for them.

[Super_Ludacris]

"Superman fans, u mad?" I believe....

[RakuMon]

ROFLMFAO!!!

Applying physics to Superman? Pfffft!!! C'mon peeps.

Catching an elevator as it falls is a no-brainer. Pulling helicopters out of the sky with no anchor... well... that's a different argument. :p

The only thing I wanted to happen I already posted:

"The only thing I wished to happen was the way he stopped the elevator. I was SOOOO ready for him to jump toward the falling elevator. It even looked that way the way his X-ray panned up the elevator shaft. I would've gone bananas if he leaped!"

[Lara]

No one knows. But his grabbing his head was a bit reminiscent of Clark hearing the stones/disc call to him.

Perhaps it's Jor-El "using" Lionel's body as a vessel again to give a message to Clark. That's what my impression was.
I think Lionel would be more than Jor-el bargained for. I could see Lionel writing himself clues if he was going to have his memory taken after Jor-el was in control.

[AgentPat]

A freak of the weak doesn't necessary need to be supernatural. Just need to be a enemy that in an episode is disposable. You got that again this week, in a Dr. Doom wannabe mask ripping off Saw. No that wasn't an homage.

And what is with Brainiac?!?!?!?!So now you're complaining about *any* guest actor playing an antagonist on the show, not just FOTW's (a.k.a. meteor freaks)? You want Clark and Co. to have the same antagonits (Lex, Brainiac, Lionel, et al) ALL of the time?

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You can't please some people...That's about the way people are. They just have to have something to compain about, or else the world will expode. :pI think you guys are right, ahuh!

[DarthSkywalker]

So now you're complaining about *any* guest actor playing an antagonist on the show, not just FOTW's (a.k.a. meteor freaks)? You want Clark and Co. to have the same antagonits (Lex, Brainiac, Lionel, et al) ALL of the time?

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I think you guys are right, ahuh!

I want Clark to have an antagonist that can last more then a week, without being regulated to the background for half the episode of the season or someone that you know must live because they are apart of the "main" cast. One shot characters work if they are developed and serve as a clever reflection of the main point of the story. When exactly do they do this on this show?

Right now Clark should be crapping himself over Braniac. Braniac shouldn't be the T-1000, and thus could work in such a way.

You guys and gals act like this show hasn't all of a sudden taken a huge hit in quality and i don't get it. It isn't about not be able to ever please. It is about being really bad right now.

[Super_Ludacris]

Some people just watch it for fun, not critical evaluation *shrugs*

[DarthSkywalker]

Some people just watch it for fun, not critical evaluation *shrugs*

And what fun is there in watching a show about a young Clark Kent where he is constantly being out done by his side kick, and revolves mostly around him stopping horror film like villians?

The first half of this season was something completely different.

[Serene]

You guys and gals act like this show hasn't all of a sudden taken a huge hit in quality and i don't get it.

What's to get? Some of us adamantly disagree with that assertion.

I think this season has been *amazing* with very few exceptions. Even the shows at the bottom of my list for this season, still had enough to make them worth my while to watch.

Critiqueing the show is good, healthy fan activity. We get some really great perpectives from our mixed little group here, But because I do like the show so much to begin with, I have more interest in the critiques of others who also come from that same foundation.

If you hate the show from the start, then of course you're just going to find things to bit*h and moan about after every episode.

I love the show, and I fully cop to that baseline bias. I think people who hate the show should do the same, or better yet, just. stop. watching.

[DarthSkywalker]

What's to get? Some of us adamantly disagree with that assertion.

I think this season has been *amazing* with very few exceptions. Even the shows at the bottom of my list for this season, still had enough to make them worth my while to watch.

Critiqueing the show is good, healthy fan activity. We get some really great perpectives from our mixed little group here, But because I do like the show so much to begin with, I have more interest in the critiques of others who also come from that same foundation.

If you hate the show from the start, then of course you're just going to find things to bit*h and moan about after every episode.

I love the show, and I fully cop to that baseline bias. I think people who hate the show should do the same, or better yet, just. stop. watching.

I get what you are saying, but the problem is i don't hate the show. Just dissapointed in this sudden direction it is going in.I stopped watching early on because of this.

I don't get how it can go from being a show set in the world of Superheroes to one of slashers.

[blksuperman2]

Well, even though I thought the ep ripped off saw i liked it. They finally explained the plot hole of just how Lionel was able to get back into Luthorcorp.

For those of you who are waiting to see Batman show up in Smallville. SHE already has, and her name is Chloe Sullivan. That girl is the best detective there is.

[BaK]

Great episode, even greater job by Mr. Glover..:up:
I'm not really looking for being impressed by anyone's acting on a tv show, but these guys are more then ok..

My favourite scene here was actually the one after the elevator save,
another "live witnessing of the secret", and it's "awestruck aftermath moments", always great to see.. :)

[Brainiac 8]

And what fun is there in watching a show about a young Clark Kent where he is constantly being out done by his side kick, and revolves mostly around him stopping horror film like villians?

The first half of this season was something completely different.



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Did someone say something about Superman fighting horror film villains?

Remember, they do take much of this from the actual comics.:up: :o

[GothicPowerMix1]

because I do like the show so much to begin with

Again just because People do not like certain things about certain Episodes does not mean they do not like the show. Everyone is DIFFERENT & like DIFFERENT THINGS about Shows & you need to understand that & just because some People do not like what YOU like about the Show does not mean they do not like the Show either.

[triplet]

You guys and gals act like this show hasn't all of a sudden taken a huge hit in quality and i don't get it. It isn't about not be able to ever please. It is about being really bad right now.

I thought last night's episode was an extremely strong one, probably one of the best this season... I haven't graded it yet but it's right up there with Hidden, Mortal and Splinter in my mind....

[DarthSkywalker]

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Did someone say something about Superman fighting horror film villains?

Remember, they do take much of this from the actual comics.:up: :o

You should of brought out Batman vs. Pedator or Drac.

Though you seem to forget how few and far between those issues are.

I thought last night's episode was an extremely strong one, probably one of the best this season... I haven't graded it yet but it's right up there with Hidden, Mortal and Splinter in my mind....

Well i like to see how that is.

[Brainiac 8]

You should of brought out Batman vs. Pedator or Drac.

Though you seem to forget how few and far between those issues are.



Or Superman vs. Alien (What a horrible gimick story that was)

My point wasn't that they do that all the time...just that people shouldn't get so hot and bothered that a show about Superman has *GASP* Vampires, Witches, and Dungeons! OH MY!

It's a comic book show, it's gonna happen. Go with da flow, mon.;)

[DarthSkywalker]

Or Superman vs. Alien (What a horrible gimick story that was)

My point wasn't that they do that all the time...just that people shouldn't get so hot and bothered that a show about Superman has *GASP* Vampires, Witches, and Dungeons! OH MY!

It's a comic book show, it's gonna happen. Go with da flow, mon.;)

Oh i would be ok with it if they did them right, and didn't do them in bunches. This season has already seen an obessed woman, vampires, a Ghost story, and now this.

[Supershizzle]

Again just because People do not like certain things about certain Episodes does not mean they do not like the show. Everyone is DIFFERENT & like DIFFERENT THINGS about Shows & you need to understand that & just because some People do not like what YOU like about the Show does not mean they do not like the Show either.

And the 2006 "Award for Stating the Obvious" goes to....

[Super_Ludacris]

And what fun is there in watching a show about a young Clark Kent where he is constantly being out done by his side kick, and revolves mostly around him stopping horror film like villians?The first half of this season was something completely different.


It fills in time before Everybody Hates Chris and when NBA and the OC aint on TV? *shrugs*

[Super_Ludacris]

Well, even though I thought the ep ripped off saw i liked it. They finally explained the plot hole of just how Lionel was able to get back into Luthorcorp.

For those of you who are waiting to see Batman show up in Smallville. SHE already has, and her name is Chloe Sullivan. That girl is the best detective there is.



Most. Nauseating. Discovery. Ever :(

Batman's my dude and all that but that statement just ruined my Friday :(

[blksuperman2]

Most. Nauseating. Discovery. Ever :(

Batman's my dude and all that but that statement just ruined my Friday :(

I ain't mean to bring you down Super Luda. I just laugh everytime Chloe is onscreen now 'cause I know that she's gonna come up with some hi-tech, hairbrain scheme to solve a puzzle. Kinda like watching the old Batman TV show from the 60's.

[Super_Ludacris]

Man **** a Chloe Sullivan :(

[blksuperman2]

Lol

[KikiDee]

And what fun is there in watching a show about a young Clark Kent where he is constantly being out done by his side kick, and revolves mostly around him stopping horror film like villians?

The first half of this season was something completely different.

You do realize that he's not Superman yet right? How else is supposed to find the bad guy? When he becomes Superman the bad guys contact him usually. He doesn't have to do a great deal of investigative work because the conflict is usually between him and whoever is after him. Right now all of the villians are random because he hasn't come out of the phone booth yet.

[GothicPowerMix1]

I ain't mean to bring you down Super Luda. I just laugh everytime Chloe is onscreen now 'cause I know that she's gonna come up with some hi-tech, hairbrain scheme to solve a puzzle. Kinda like watching the old Batman TV show from the 60's.

Maybe Chloe will be the one that makes the Suit :eek:

[Super_Ludacris]

*loads a pistol up and aims at dnsk*

[avidreader]

I think the complainers should stop watching the show NOW before they hurt themselves. :o :p

It's paintful isnt it. :O

My favourite scene here was actually the one after the elevator save,
another "live witnessing of the secret", and it's "awestruck aftermath moments", always great to see.. :)

Yes, yes. I agree. I love a witnessing of the Superpowers.

You do realize that he's not Superman yet right? How else is supposed to find the bad guy? When he becomes Superman the bad guys contact him usually. He doesn't have to do a great deal of investigative work because the conflict is usually between him and whoever is after him. Right now all of the villians are random because he hasn't come out of the phone booth yet.

:up: And I'll just add a little more to that. Does Clark Kent not work with Lois Lane at the Daily Planet in the future? Where they both team up and have all the resources they need at their disposal to get information on the bad guys.

Our Clark Kent doesnt have those resources yet, his only resource is Chloe Sullivan.

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Okay, I wasnt sure whether I was going to like this episode, not being about Clark and all, butI thought it was fantastic and really well done. (Never seen Saw so the homage aspect to that movie didnt bother me as it has with some).

The intense character moments, with all of our main characters, was what really sold the episode to me.

And that last Clark/Lionel scene, FANTASTIC!

And Raku, I'm with you, I so thought Clark was going to jump and catch that elevator. However, what he did was still awesome. It reminded me of Superman II. :up:

[blksuperman2]

Maybe Chloe will be the one that makes the Suit :eek:

Yep she'll figure out that his clothes are also invulnerable when they are closely fitted to his body. Then she'll use her sewing skills and develop a fabric which she discovered can harness more of the sun's power. Making him even more powerful.

[KikiDee]

:up: And I'll just add a little more to that. Does Clark Kent not work with Lois Lane at the Daily Planet in the future? Where they both team up and have all the resources they need at their disposal to get information on the bad guys.

Our Clark Kent doesnt have those resources yet, his only resource is Chloe Sullivan.

Exactly!:up: See I knew someone would understand what I was getting at.
Morning Avid.
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[avidreader]

Yep she'll figure out that his clothes are also invulnerable when they are closely fitted to his body. Then she'll use her sewing skills and develop a fabric which she discovered can harness more of the sun's power. Making him even more powerful.

She'll do this by hacking into the website of some famous clothing manufacturer and the Pentagon.

[GothicPowerMix1]

*loads a pistol up and aims at dnsk*

Marthas to busy to make the Suit :o The only other possibility I see is after a while maybe Clark actually starts to trust Lionel - Lionel-El & Lionel-El makes the Suit for him. Or my personal favorite Jonathan Kent comes back with a gift for Clark (The Suit)

[Super_Ludacris]

Maybe when Lana finally finds out she hooks it up for him.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Maybe when Lana finally finds out she hooks it up for him.

I think I prefer Lion-El or Jonathan giving it to him. Lana should not have that moment

[blksuperman2]

She'll do this by hacking into the website of some famous clothing manufacturer and the Pentagon.

No they'll explain that she has always had a love for knitting. After she makes the suit for CLark. He'll ask how she did it. And she'll explain to him how there's alot about her that he doesn't know.;)

[GothicPowerMix1]

Maybe Chloe secretly found a way to not make Kryptonite kill Clark & she make sthe Suit out of her hidden stash of Kryptonite

[blksuperman2]

Maybe when Lana finally finds out she hooks it up for him.

Could work also. In Superman TAS Lana was a fashion designer. Maybe she and Chloe will calibrate.

[avidreader]

No they'll explain that she has always had a love for knitting. After she makes the suit for CLark. He'll ask how she did it. And she'll explain to him how there's alot about her that he doesn't know.;)

LOL! You know Allison Mack has a love for knitting. They say she's always knitting in between her scene breaks. :D

[GothicPowerMix1]

Could work also. In Superman TAS Lana was a fashion designer. Maybe she and Chloe will calibrate.

No thats such a big important moment & that should go to one of the Kents & hell maybe even have his real mother come in & give him the Suit

[blksuperman2]

Maybe Chloe secretly found a way to not make Kryptonite kill Clark & she make sthe Suit out of her hidden stash of Kryptonite

I was thinking she could develop a serum which could counter all forms of Kryptonite.

[blksuperman2]

LOL! You know Allison Mack has a love for knitting. They say she's always knitting in between her scene breaks. :D

Seriously.

[avidreader]

Seriously.

Yeah, seriously.

[GothicPowerMix1]

This should be a new Thread

How Does Clark Kent Get The Suit

:o

[The Sage]

Again just because People do not like certain things about certain Episodes does not mean they do not like the show. Everyone is DIFFERENT & like DIFFERENT THINGS about Shows & you need to understand that & just because some People do not like what YOU like about the Show does not mean they do not like the Show either.
:up: :up: :up:

And you're dead on about Chloe. She's the new Oracle. Barbara Gordon's gonna die in Birds of Prey and Chloe will take her place, working from the basement of the Daily Planet.

[NHawk19]

In the words of my brother, 'They're just running out of ideas.'

He's 27.

I must say, I agree. While the episode was mildly entertaining on a very roll your eyes kinda level, (mainly because Glover can't do wrong) the 'Saw-esque' scenes went faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar beyond 'homage', it was blatant rip-off....

The Good:

Glover. The man just owns Lionel Luthor like the Yankees own the Red Sox in September. Hands down, the best gig on the series.

Welling. He had a few nice scenes...I still can't buy that tough guy voice he tries to bust when he's in authority mode. But, overall, he did well. Is it me, or does Clark come off like a jerk at times with his dirty looks though? Anyway, glad to see Clark isn't Lex's doormat.

MR. That line about Clark zooming across town was classic.

The format change was cool overall. Something different at least.....I guess being someone who's seen both Saw movies, I was like WTF? Still, a nice change for the show.

The Bad:

Chloe. I'm so sick of the writers using Chloe as some brain-child that comes up with the correct answers to EVERY situation Clark finds himself in...Geez. That got old in Season 3.

The Saw Rip-Off. Come on guys......It was practically copyright infringement.

Lana/Lex. They held that as the 'what'll happen next week moment' last week, and NOTHING.

And next week...it looks like another 'filler'. I wonder if the people behind Smallville ever realize why exactly some episodes get really high ratings....the trend is pretty obvious. That's all for now. And yes, my new sig kicks all ass.

Oh yeah. 7.5/10

well said.

entertaining but not as good as the show was earlier in the season.

Also, and this is probably because prior to this I hadnt seen an ep since before Cyborg, I'm having trouble identifying the underlying seasonal arc. Any help?

[newmexneon]

I will say this last episode was marginally better than the last two, even still, the creators are starting to lose a long time fan because they insist on writing crap episodes.

[avidreader]

I will say this last episode was marginally better than the last two, even still, the creators are starting to lose a long time fan because they insist on writing crap episodes.

What did you think was crap about it?

[Spidey Rules 2]

This should be a new Thread

How Does Clark Kent Get The Suit

:o


Hey mabye when Clark becomes a reporter, he might ask a young photographer named Peter Parker to make him a suit. I read somewhere that he made himself a suit as well.

[Mike_D202]

Well even though it seems like the Smallville writers are running out of ideas (clearly by this episode) I must say I enjoyed it better than the last two episodes. It gave us more info on the Lion-El subplot and the acting was far better this time around.

[GothicPowerMix1]

and the acting was far better this time around.

Thats because the Episode focused on Two Characters played by an Actor & Actress with the most experience out of the rest of the cast :o

[newmexneon]

What did you think was crap about it?

I just want to see more progression on the Clark to Superman aspect of the story. There has been four seasons of character development and buildup, yet we still are being fed the same episodes over and over again. The upcoming Fine/Lex arc looks promising though so hopeefully that will get me interested in the show again.

[Super_Ludacris]

It aint really about experience as a show the writers should build more arcs for the actors. Obviously O'Toole and Glover are vets but the writers should create better opportunties for others,this I know.

[Mike_D202]

Thats because the Episode focused on Two Characters played by an Actor & Actress with the most experience out of the rest of the cast :o

Why do you post here?? :confused:

[GothicPowerMix1]

Why do you post here?? :confused:

Why do you post here :confused:

[The Sage]

I just want to see more progression on the Clark to Superman aspect of the story. There has been four seasons of character development and buildup, yet we still are being fed the same episodes over and over again. The upcoming Fine/Lex arc looks promising though so hopeefully that will get me interested in the show again.
:up: :up: :up:

[Mike_D202]

Why do you post here :confused:

Well I enjoy the tv show very much (even though it has flaws). I just dont understand why people who dont like the show and hate the fact that there are people who would rather watch the show than SR so they decide to come here and talk down to everybody.

I'm sorry but it just doesnt make much sense to me. But whatever I guess its a public forum. :up:

[Super_Ludacris]

Hopefully after Superman Returns they'll leave the show lol

And I aint into that whole Welling v Routh argument. Routh is Superman and thats fine for me.

I dont even care for Superman as much as I did as a kid, it's all about Batman anyways.

[GothicPowerMix1]

When did I say I did not like the Show ? I like the Show for what it is. But it could be better. Hopefully if he does move to Metropolis next Season things could get interesting again with Clark on his own. Just because I may have problems with certain Episodes does not automatically mean I do not like the Show. You like Serene have to realize everyone is different & like the Show for differnet reasons. Just because someone does not agree with you does not mean they do not like the Show either.

[Super_Ludacris]

It wont happen cause then it's not Smallville but when it does happen the show will finish.

[GothicPowerMix1]

It wont happen cause then it's not Smallville but when it does happen the show will finish.

With the way things are nows hes spending more time in Metropilis then Smallville

[Mike_D202]

When did I say I did not like the Show ? I like the Show for what it is. But it could be better. Hopefully if he does move to Metropolis next Season things could get interesting again with Clark on his own. Just because I may have problems with certain Episodes does not automatically mean I do not like the Show. You like Serene have to realize everyone is different & like the Show for differnet reasons. Just because someone does not agree with you does not mean they do not like the Show either.

I'm sorry I just misunderstood where you were coming from (because I havent really seen any positive posts from you since I've been here).

[GothicPowerMix1]

I'm sorry I just misunderstood where you were coming from (because I havent really seen any positive posts from you since I've been here).

Thats because we have been getting nothing but really Freak Of The Week Episodes or Movie Rip Off Episodes. It is sad when the best parts of the Show are either at the Beginning of the end of an Episode :o

[avidreader]

I just want to see more progression on the Clark to Superman aspect of the story. There has been four seasons of character development and buildup, yet we still are being fed the same episodes over and over again. The upcoming Fine/Lex arc looks promising though so hopeefully that will get me interested in the show again.

See I'm confused. :confused:

With the last two episodes I think that's exactly what we got. He's showing leadership, he's showing that he wont let the little man be bullied, he's showing confidence with who he is, he let the love of his life go because he knows he's not meant to have a normal life.

Compare the last scene between Lionel and Clark last night, with the scene between them in Memoria and you can see that Clark's not going to be taken for a fool anymore.

Is that not the sort of growth you're looking for?

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I forgot in my earlier post to thank Kalkai for the great screen caps. :)

[Supershizzle]

uhh shouldnt the best part of every episode be the end? :confused: Thats what a show builds to

[KikiDee]

I just want to see more progression on the Clark to Superman aspect of the story. There has been four seasons of character development and buildup, yet we still are being fed the same episodes over and over again. The upcoming Fine/Lex arc looks promising though so hopeefully that will get me interested in the show again.

I understand why some you guys get frustrated, but this isn't the comics. It's television. They can't give you all the really cool special effects you guys love (I admit it I do too) Sometimes they have to write their stories around what the budget will allow at that time. They spend the majority of the budget on the season premieres and the finales. Start and end with a bang so to speak. Also, because they want the story to last as long as it can it's got to unfold slowly. If they give you everything you want right now that's it it's over. So sometimes we have episodes that seem to not fit into the season arc, but they do you just have to be open enough to look for it.

[GothicPowerMix1]

uhh shouldnt the best part of every episode be the end? :confused: Thats what a show builds to

I thought a Show builds to the Main Final Finale :confused: In this case Smallville is building to the moment when he puts on the Suit

[EmmaInDoubt]

Ads for the final battle? what ads?


all those AOL promo commercials about brainiacs plan to wipe out humanity,you know thats how theyre gonna end the season..if they dont then they really have lost their flare for good writing

[Super_Ludacris]

With the way things are nows hes spending more time in Metropilis then Smallville

But the show's characters from Smallville are still part of the main plot in the story but I know you know that because that's explaining the obvious.

But here's the thing I didnt get and I said this last year when I wasnt liking what the show was doing to some people and all that. Some came up with the idea that suddenly if the show spins off into "Metropolis" and we see Welling as Superman and all that, that suddenly the show they dont like will be better.

Will it?

Because if your issue is with the writers and how the show is written then surely you dont even know if they'll change up just because he's in the tights. They'll be those Silver Age storylines and borrowed conventions because by then after 6 plus season we'll know that's how the writers write. And it aint like the WB is suddenly gonna overhaul the writing team, if anything they'll make them stay because they have liked how they've written the show as Smallville and make them do the same for "Metropolis" . So that pretty much scraps that idea IF you dont like the way SV is right now.

[GothicPowerMix1]

There are rumos that Braniac & Clark have an in Flight Battle & that Braniac "downloads" Memories into Clark during the fight & Clark & the viewers see how Braniac & Zod betrayed Jor El & Krypton & there is also a rumor about Clarks Orgins so there might be some kind of Baby Kal El Birth Scene (which would tie in with the rumors that Laura appears in the Finale

[avidreader]

^^^^ The thing is, in any case, if you go into a Metropolis storyline with Superman, you pretty much get Lois and Clark.

There aint gonna be any character development, because he is what he is. :supes:

[GothicPowerMix1]

But the show's characters from Smallville are still part of the main plot in the story but I know you know that because that's explaining the obvious.

But here's the thing I didnt get and I said this last year when I wasnt liking what the show was doing to some people and all that. Some came up with the idea that suddenly if the show spins off into "Metropolis" and we see Welling as Superman and all that, that suddenly the show they dont like will be better.

Will it?

Because if your issue is with the writers and how the show is written then surely you dont even know if they'll change up just because he's in the tights. They'll be those Silver Age storylines and borrowed conventions because by then after 6 plus season we'll know that's how the writers write. And it aint like the WB is suddenly gonna overhaul the writing team, if anything they'll make them stay because they have liked how they've written the show as Smallville and make them do the same for "Metropolis" . So that pretty much scraps that idea IF you dont like the way SV is right now.

Well Im one of it appears to be MANY that liked Lois & Clark even though it had its flaws it was still enjoyable. I think Smallville Metropolis style with Clark in the Suit will be able to do things Lois & Clark was never able to do & do things better then Lois & Clark never could

[TKodami]

Very brief thoughts on the episode: Loved it! For the first time since Reckoning, I was (not on the edge of my seat, since I usually lay on the floor when watching TV) screaming at my television set in pure anticipation. I've loved John Glover since he first played the Devil on "Brimstone"--and, no surprise, he's been one of my favorite characters on Smallville. Mercy has easily made my all-time favorite Smallville epsiodes list.

I'm going to rewatch the episode again and maybe post more substantial thoughts afterward.

[Serene]

When did I say I did not like the Show ? I like the Show for what it is. But it could be better. Hopefully if he does move to Metropolis next Season things could get interesting again with Clark on his own. Just because I may have problems with certain Episodes does not automatically mean I do not like the Show. You like Serene have to realize everyone is different & like the Show for differnet reasons. Just because someone does not agree with you does not mean they do not like the Show either.
And perhaps you have to realize that just about every post you make is to complain about the show...or the people who post here - maybe you just do that on the Planet. Either way, you need to get your own house in order before you start telling me, or anyone else, what they need to realize.

[GothicPowerMix1]

This is an OPEN PUBLIC FORUM. If I do not like an Episode or something about an Episode I can if I want to post here what I think about it. If you dont like what I have to say then guess what thats what the ignore feature is for

[NHawk19]

Is that not the sort of growth you're looking for?



Part of the problem with Clarks growth though is that it's not really growth its just further character depth being explored, like his anger or fear. He's not expanding his knowledge, or outlook on the world, and how it works he's just fighting Lex, Lionel and the random FOTW. We've not seen how he handles struggles with larger issues, such as war and real injustice etc.

Clark's growth should have been more global. He should see the injustice done by people who arent just Luthors, and the extent to which "normal" people go to prevent them. \S/ is about so much more than beating up petty criminals and saving Smallville/Metropolis.

[triplet]

Well i like to see how that is.

I'll explain it in my review....

Give me a few days to get posted up on kryptonsite.

[Brainiac 8]

^^^^ The thing is, in any case, if you go into a Metropolis storyline with Superman, you pretty much get Lois and Clark.

There aint gonna be any character development, because he is what he is. :supes:


Plus I already own the Lois and Clark first two seasons on DVD, and I just pretend that takes place later.

Sorry, my way of making my DVD collection a complete continuity.:O :D

[Super_Ludacris]

I'll explain it in my review....

Give me a few days to get posted up on kryptonsite.


*gags a little*

*cough*....sorry I had some vomit stuck in my throat I....excuse me

*runs to bathroom hurling expletives*

[Serene]

This is an OPEN PUBLIC FORUM. If I do not like an Episode or something about an Episode I can if I want to post here what I think about it. If you dont like what I have to say then guess what thats what the ignore feature is for
Hey, knock yourself out.. post away.
Just be prepared for rebuttal if you're going to constantly complain.

I've never felt the need to put you on Ignore before, but thanks for the suggestion. I'll keep it in mind.

[Super_Ludacris]

Tha Block is indeed is hot it seems on these SV forums

*stumbles back out of the bathroom*