"The Batman" Appreciation Thread

[Whack Arnolds]

Is there anyone here, besides myself, who has actually taken a greater liking to "The Batman" than that of B:TAS? I love the art-work, designs, characters, story arcs, visuals, and animation and originality of some of the stories. Granted I would like to see more of the classic villains, like Two-Face, Scarecrow, Ra's Al Ghul etc., but I personally think it is actually a better cartoon than B:TAS, and it is severely slept on by fans who refuse to get over the nostalgia of their childhood show. They at least are in the upper echelon of well done cartoons. I mean, look at some of these outstanding visuals:

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/episodes/26nightcity/26.jpg

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/episodes/26nightcity/30.jpg

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/episodes/21fireice/30.jpg

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/episodes/01batbelfry/13.jpg

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/episodes/01batbelfry/25.jpg

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/episodes/13clayfacetragedypt2/19.jpg


New Batmobile
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/episodes/31rpm/25.jpg

[The Question]

Dude, how the hell is "The Batman" better than B:TAS? Better animation? The animation is smoother, yes. That's simply a sign of imrpoved technology. But I liked the look of the old series. Made it seem very retro. And story wise, B:TAS kicks The Batman in the nads with a steel toed boot.

[Bat Attack]

I agree with The Question, I don't how you could like 'The Batman' more than B:TAS.:confused:

[Spidey-Bat]

Is there anyone here, besides myself, who has actually taken a greater liking to "The Batman" than that of B:TAS?

And you are pretty close to being banned--Dew

[deathshead2]

You're pretty stupid:oMaybe he's young.

[Whack Arnolds]

Hold on, first of all this thread wasn't meant to start arguments. Second of all, because MY OPINION differs from some, that makes me an idiot? Great logic there. Is one not allowed to like something different than what you favor? If anything, these comments show who the young and immature people are on this board.

[Whack Arnolds]

I agree with The Question, I don't how you could like 'The Batman' more than B:TAS.:confused:I just explained why I liked it better. And it is my opinion. I'm not forcing it on others. This thread was created to gauge if anyone else feels the same way, that's all. What's with such hostility and put downs from people who just have a different taste? lol.. yall need to lighten up.

[C. Lee]

You're pretty stupid:o
And you are being unnecassarily rude.

People....believe it or not...it is actually possible to say that you disagree with someones opinion without calling them names or being rude.Try it sometime......

[Spidey-Bat]

And you are being unnecassarily rude.

People....believe it or not...it is actually possible to say that you disagree with someones opinion without calling them names or being rude.Try it sometime......

Spare me the lecture. I could have been a lot more rude. If you're gonna pull this on me, you better get cracking on everyone else whose even worse than I am.

Hold on, first of all this thread wasn't meant to start arguments. Second of all, because MY OPINION differs from some, that makes me an idiot? Great logic there. Is one not allowed to like something different than what you favor? If anything, these comments show who the young and immature people are on this board.

I said stupid, not an idiot.

[C. Lee]

Spare me the lecture. I could have been a lot more rude. If you're gonna pull this on me, you better get cracking on everyone else whose even worse than I am.

Actually...it looks like you need one very badly.

I love it how when someone is told not to be rude they counter with - "But someone else did it first." - that's very mature.

If a policeman pulled you over for speeding, would you say - "Spare me the lecture. I could have been going a lot more faster. If you're going to pull this on me, you better get cracking on everyone else who is driving even faster than me." That would work wonders.

So....basicly it comes down to this....I said to TRY and not be rude when you disagree with someone. Your response was to be rude back to me. Now, thanks to your intelligent response....I have reassesed my first response to your rudeness....and now I say....if you continue to be rude and act this way I will have to put you on probation.

[Whack Arnolds]

I said stupid, not an idiot.Same difference. What was the actual reasoning for it?

[Spidey-Bat]

Actually...it looks like you need one very badly.

I love it how when someone is told not to be rude they counter with - "But someone else did it first." - that's very mature.

If a policeman pulled you over for speeding, would you say - "Spare me the lecture. I could have been going a lot more faster. If you're going to pull this on me, you better get cracking on everyone else who is driving even faster than me." That would work wonders.

So....basicly it comes down to this....I said to TRY and not be rude when you disagree with someone. Your response was to be rude back to me. Now, thanks to your intelligent response....I have reassesed my first response to your rudeness....and now I say....if you continue to be rude and act this way I will have to put you on probation.

To be honest, I didn't find your response to be the most courteous to begin with. That's why I wasn't very pleasent with a response. Next time, I'd appreciate you being more straight forward rather than giving me a sarcastic response about being polite.

[C. Lee]

To be honest, I didn't find your response to be the most courteous to begin with. That's why I wasn't very pleasent with a response. Next time, I'd appreciate you being more straight forward rather than giving me a sarcastic response about being polite.
That's interesting....

You posted - "You're pretty stupid.:o "
I posted " - "And you are being unnecassarily rude."

I really do not see where that is being discourteous. It was a simple flat out statement of fact without name calling, cursing, or disrespect.

If you are referring to - "People....believe it or not...it is actually possible to say that you disagree with someones opinion without calling them names or being rude.Try it sometime......" - then you should take note, that that statement is directed to everyone in the thread and or forum (no one is singled out for this)....and that it too is neither rude, crude, or disrespectful...but rather as before a straight forward statement of fact....that it is possible to disagree without being rude.


You may also want to take note....Dew has appeared since I have and is taking even a strickter stance on your rudeness than I was.

[Two-Face]

Is there anyone here, besides myself, who has actually taken a greater liking to "The Batman" than that of B:TAS? I love the art-work, designs, characters, story arcs, visuals, and animation and originality of some of the stories. Granted I would like to see more of the classic villains, like Two-Face, Scarecrow, Ra's Al Ghul etc., but I personally think it is actually a better cartoon than B:TAS, and it is severely slept on by fans who refuse to get over the nostalgia of their childhood show. They at least are in the upper echelon of well done cartoons. I mean, look at some of these outstanding visuals:

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/episodes/26nightcity/26.jpg

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/episodes/26nightcity/30.jpg

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/episodes/21fireice/30.jpg

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/episodes/01batbelfry/13.jpg

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/episodes/01batbelfry/25.jpg

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/episodes/13clayfacetragedypt2/19.jpg


New Batmobile
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/episodes/31rpm/25.jpg

TAS owns The Batman.

English Mother *****er!!!


Do you speak it?


Lets see how YOU like it

[The Question]

I just explained why I liked it better. And it is my opinion. I'm not forcing it on others. This thread was created to gauge if anyone else feels the same way, that's all. What's with such hostility and put downs from people who just have a different taste? lol.. yall need to lighten up.


How was I being hostile?

[Whack Arnolds]

How was I being hostile?Not you, others in the thread.

[CLARKY]

Is there anyone here, besides myself, who has actually taken a greater liking to "The Batman" than that of B:TAS? I love the art-work, designs, characters, story arcs, visuals, and animation and originality of some of the stories. Granted I would like to see more of the classic villains, like Two-Face, Scarecrow, Ra's Al Ghul etc., but I personally think it is actually a better cartoon than B:TAS, and it is severely slept on by fans who refuse to get over the nostalgia of their childhood show. They at least are in the upper echelon of well done cartoons. I mean, look at some of these outstanding visuals:

I came to like it more and more but it is still bad IMO.
I dislike the artwork, I simply hate the designs, and above all the story-arcs are lame!lame, lame, lame. The visuals are efficient, and the animation is very good.

Now if U like it more than BTAS, ...fine.But "better" than BTAS?! far from it.

Personally I dislike the show "the batman" but , there are several things I think might be good and several others that I like.

[Spidey-Bat]

That's interesting....

You posted - "You're pretty stupid.:o "
I posted " - "And you are being unnecassarily rude."

I really do not see where that is being discourteous. It was a simple flat out statement of fact without name calling, cursing, or disrespect.

If you are referring to - "People....believe it or not...it is actually possible to say that you disagree with someones opinion without calling them names or being rude.Try it sometime......" - then you should take note, that that statement is directed to everyone in the thread and or forum (no one is singled out for this)....and that it too is neither rude, crude, or disrespectful...but rather as before a straight forward statement of fact....that it is possible to disagree without being rude.


You may also want to take note....Dew has appeared since I have and is taking even a strickter stance on your rudeness than I was.

I feel your excessive use of "..." does not come off as very polite.

BTW, Whack Arnolds, there's a whole section devoted to THE BATMAN. That's partially why I called you stupid.
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=229

[Abaddon]

You must be like 12 years old.:confused::down

[Spidey-Bat]

You must be like 12 years old.:confused::down
Nope, just annoyed and bored.

[Abaddon]

Not you,silly.:)

[C. Lee]

I feel your excessive use of "..." does not come off as very polite.
Sir....do you understand punctuation in the use of the English language?

I used the symbols - "..." - only when I was QUOTING either you or me. And the reason that I used the symbol - "..." - was that in the English use of punctuation they are called QUOTAION MARKS. QUOTATION MARKS are used to denote that you are QUOTING someone. Not only is the use of these marks the proper and accepted use of punctuation for QUOTING people....I would dare say, that no one in the course of history since the rules of punctuation were established has called the use of QUOTATION MARKS when QUOTING someone as being not polite.

[Spidey-Bat]

I meant the ..., not the "".

[Abaddon]

Let it go already.:rolleyes:

[C. Lee]

Let it go already.:rolleyes:
Hey man...how's the weather up there....we're getting thunderstorms here.

[Abaddon]

Hey man...how's the weather up there....we're getting thunderstorms here.


Its been pretty nice actually.

[C. Lee]

Spring has finally arrived......about time.

[Abaddon]

Things look prettier in spring,but I prefer the cold months.

[C. Lee]

Not me....I like warmth.

[Abaddon]

I like being warm when its cold.Its a nicer feeling than trying to stay cool.

[Spidey-Bat]

I like being warm when its cold.Its a nicer feeling than trying to stay cool.

I'm the same way.

[trustyside-kick]

I do not like "The Batman" on kids WB. I really dislike the character re-vamps. Only Batman himself looks cool. The villain that bothers me the most is their version of The Joker...BTAS is way better. :P

[Superhobo]

The gist:

BTAS rocks, The Batman sucks, and C. Lee is an anal ass. Oh, and Spidey-bat shares the mentality of a twelve year old with the threadstarter. There. All better?

[Batman2005]

the stories seem much shallower to me. i haven't seen that many episodes, but the characters seem less deep than the comic versions or even tas.

Man Bat becomes a bat just because he wants to fight batman. wtf.

thought batman vs. dracula was pretty alright tho.

[Bathead]

I love when people disagree with those who happen to like"The Batman" by saying something inane like "what are you, a little kid?" Well, I'm 52 years old, and I like the show just fine, I think the art and animation are top-notch, and I'm not such an old fart that I hate the redesigns on the villians, I think they're refreshing and interesting. They may look different,but the way they act is straight out of the comics as far as I'm concerned. The only problem I have is the writing could be tweaked a little, but I don't think it's as abysmal as some think. As good or better than BTAS? Art and animation - yes. Writing - definitely not.

[Katsuro]

I think my problems with The Batman lie very much in the character designs. Even Batman's look upsets me. First of all, there's the cape. Batman's cape has always been scalloped, like the wings of a bat. The cape on "The Batman", however, is more, spiked. http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/episodes/01batbelfry/25.jpg
look at that. Does that even resemble a bat to you? It doesn't to me. Also, I feel the ears are too short.

Also, the look of the Joker greatly upsets me. It's not just the long hair, but it's the general stature of the character. When I think of the Joker, I think tall and lanky. He's dressed nice, and he's standing tall and upright, with an air of sophistication about him. This Joker, on the other hand, is the complete opposite. He usually wears some goofy colored straight jacket, and he never wears shoes. He doens't seem to stand upright even, he looks more like a monkey.

http://www.86thfloor.com/Advance%20Order/February2005/images/Statues/DCjoker-maquette.jpeg

See? He can't even stand up straight! He lacks class.

[Two-Face]

I agree about the Joker part, this is how anmated Joker should like:

http://www.jpbenterprise.com/Pictures/D0108-JokerClassDCMaqB.jpg

[TheDarkKnight_NL]

i actually like The Batman, even though Batman The Animated Series was better

[trustyside-kick]

I agree about the Joker part, this is how anmated Joker should like:

http://www.jpbenterprise.com/Pictures/D0108-JokerClassDCMaqB.jpg

Damn skippy. That was the best animated Joker design.

[nite-owl]

The problem I have with the show is that it feels like its Peter Parker in a Batman costume.

[Palpadious]

Dude, you have to be smoking some serious crack to like that piece of crap 'The Batman' over the brilliance of TAS.

[trustyside-kick]

Dude, you have to be smoking some serious crack to like that piece of crap 'The Batman' over the brilliance of TAS.

Who said it was better?!?! Heck no! TAS is WAY better lol.

[Spidey-Bat]

This guy:

but I personally think it is actually a better cartoon than B:TAS, and it is severely slept on by fans who refuse to get over the nostalgia of their childhood show.

[trustyside-kick]

Then he diserves to be tea-bagged.
:mad:

[Spidey-Bat]

Then he diserves to be tea-bagged.
:mad:

We can't. It's not polite:rolleyes:

[trustyside-kick]

It's okay; we won't have to. Disturbingly enough we could get my cousin to do it. He tea-bagged someone once...don't ask me where or how...I did not want to know myself. :eek:

[batmaluco]

The problem I have with the show is that it feels like its Peter Parker in a Batman costume.
lol, yeah! :up:

[Mr. Socko]

This show is so much crap. The animation and story is all bad. The Joker looks stupid, he doesn't wear shoes, has green dread locks, red beady rat eyes, and always wears a straight jacket. Jesus! I cringe just thinking about it, this is not the Joker. All the characters look bad. It looks like Jackie Chan Adventures meet The Batman.

[trustyside-kick]

This show is so much crap. The animation and story is all bad. The Joker looks stupid, he doesn't wear shoes, has green dread locks, red beady rat eyes, and always wears a straight jacket. Jesus! I cringe just thinking about it, this is not the Joker. All the characters look bad. It looks like Jackie Chan Adventures meet The Batman.

Wow I never thought of that...is is sort of like that...same artist that did Jackie Chan maybe?

[Mr. Socko]

Probably, the drawing styles are alot alike.

[trustyside-kick]

Funny, this thread is supposed to be an appreciation thread yet so few have said good things about it.

[Two-Face]

Cos it sucks and TAS wins!

[trustyside-kick]

Ya, I know. :)

[Mr. Socko]

Funny, this thread is supposed to be an appreciation thread yet so few have said good things about it.

What's to appreciate about the trash? lol, it's complete crap.

TAS is still the greatest cartoon ever.

But over on The Batman board, there's an article saying that Paul Dini(writer of TAS) is going to write The Batman in Season 4 and he's bringing in Harley Quinn. What if they get new animations too, like Bruce Timm's TNBA look.

That means it's the return of TAS.:up::up::)

[Abaddon]

Robin is also appearing

[Two-Face]

What's to appreciate about the trash? lol, it's complete crap.

TAS is still the greatest cartoon ever.

But over on The Batman board, there's an article saying that Paul Dini(writer of TAS) is going to write The Batman in Season 4 and he's bringing in Harley Quinn. What if they get new animations too, like Bruce Timm's TNBA look.

That means it's the return of TAS.:up::up::)


I hope that's true! He can change appearance of The Joker and some other villains also bring back DA Harvey Dent!

[Mr. Socko]

New Joker, Harvey Dent, Riddler, etc would be great!

Paul Dini is the only man who can save this show.

[trustyside-kick]

O man please a new Riddler look...that guy looks like his idol is Marylin Manson.

[Abaddon]

And they can get rid of the campy entrance theme.Why they changed the original is beyond me

[trustyside-kick]

Meh, new show, new intro, new themesong.

[Two-Face]

O man please a new Riddler look...that guy looks like his idol is Marylin Manson.



Manson's look inspired the producers so they chose look for The Riddler.

[trustyside-kick]

K well that settles that. =P

But whose damn idea was to make the Joker look so STUPID in The Batman. :mad:

[Abaddon]

Well you have to think of the show as a sort of Ultimate Batman.

[trustyside-kick]

You mean like how Marvel has Ultimate Spider-Man where Peter is Spider-Man as a highschooler and such?

[Abaddon]

Yeah,pretty much.New origins,new characters,etc.

[trustyside-kick]

Well...I hate Ultimate Spider-Man. =P

Also there is a difference...alternate universe.

[Two-Face]

Wonder how WB going to screw up The Superman like The Batman when they released it and woinder if they call it "The Superman"

[Mr. Socko]

Yeah, I hate The Riddler on The Batman. He looks so stupid

I don't like Ultimate Spider-Man either, I stick with Amazing Spider-Man, classic.

Are they making a Supreman Cartoon?

[Two-Face]

Well WB did with Batman when BB got released so I think when SR is released on Big Screen I assume we will get a cartoon series.

[Abaddon]

Well...I hate Ultimate Spider-Man. =P

Also there is a difference...alternate universe.


And The Batman can't be considered an alternate universe?:confused:

[Mr. Socko]

Yeah and it's the worst Batman universe ever. Adam West's show is gold compared to this.

[trustyside-kick]

And The Batman can't be considered an alternate universe?:confused:

Unless there is an alternate universe where it is like that in the comics then I say no. There was an Ultimate Spider-Man game...but obviously a comic series of that first. Also I recall some Spider-Man show that didn't make it (last long) but was on MTV? If anything reminded me of Ultimate Spider-Man.

[Abaddon]

Unless there is an alternate universe where it is like that in the comics then I say no. There was an Ultimate Spider-Man game...but obviously a comic series of that first. Also I recall some Spider-Man show that didn't make it (last long) but was on MTV? If anything reminded me of Ultimate Spider-Man.


Do you honestly believe the previous series took everything straight from the comics?:confused:

[Mr. Socko]

I remember that Spider-Man tv show. I saw all of season 1. It was ok, not as ogod as the 90s Spiderman TAS

[trustyside-kick]

Do you honestly believe the previous series took everything straight from the comics?:confused:

No, but The Batman has like ruined the franchise. A buut-load of longtime fans hate that show. The old and new TAS still tried to be somewhat accurate to the comics. At least when it came to some of the origins.

[Abaddon]

No, but The Batman has like ruined the franchise. A buut-load of longtime fans hate that show. The old and new TAS still tried to be somewhat accurate to the comics. At least when it came to some of the origins.


Which is why I was comparing it to the Ultimate line.It's trying to be its own thing.

[trustyside-kick]

But like I said it is different when the Ultimates are like you say "being its own thing" because it is in the comics as alternate universes. This isn't the case with The Batman.

[Abaddon]

But its still a different medium,so why shouldn't you expect something different?

[trustyside-kick]

Cause it is crap and is hurting the franchise? No way will you change my idea. Thank you thick-headedness. :up:

[Abaddon]

Well that wasnt related to my point,but ok.

[Mr. Socko]

But its still a different medium,so why shouldn't you expect something different?

We were expecting some different...

but something different that was just as good if not better...

We ended up with **** called "The Batman"

I've only seen about 5 Episodes and couldn't take anymore. I won't watch it again till Season 4 when Paul starts writing.

[trustyside-kick]

Lmao.

[TheGrayGhost]

Is there anyone here, besides myself, who has actually taken a greater liking to "The Batman" than that of B:TAS?

Although I don't hate The Batman with a passion like a lot of other guys, I don't particularly like it either. I'll give it a solid chance when I see a good episode. But it's unlikely that such a situation will arise.

Granted I would like to see more of the classic villains, like Two-Face, Scarecrow, Ra's Al Ghul etc., but I personally think it is actually a better cartoon than B:TAS, and it is severely slept on by fans who refuse to get over the nostalgia of their childhood show.

It's not nostalgia, at least not for me. I mean, show me a The Batman episode equal in quality to Over The Edge, Mad Love, Old Wounds, Heart of Ice, Beware The Gray Ghost, Two-Face Part I, Two-Face Part II, Riddler's Reform, Robin's Reckoning, The Laughing Fish, Double Talk, etc. And even if The Batman could match-up to these masterpieces, it still won't have the impeccable cast of voices that BTAS had the luxury of employing. And to top it all off, The Batman doesn't have it where it truly counts: quality writing. This is something that BTAS (and the rest of the Timmverse DCAU for that matter) has in abundance.

They at least are in the upper echelon of well done cartoons. I mean, look at some of these outstanding visuals:

Perhaps animation-wise, yes. I mean, the motion of the characters and all that is smooth, but the character designs themselves are awful in my opinion. Hardly the stuff of legendary cartoons. To be sure, though, there are some good visuals in it. But I would also like to add that the visuals of BTAS, especially later in TNBAS, accomplish a sort of poetry, intimacy, and care for the characters. I guess you can attribute that to my affection for the characters, but when all is said and done, I like the animation in such episodes such as Over The Edge and On Leather Wings more.

But yeah, I will admit the animation early BTAS episodes are God awful sometimes. Thank God for the occasional stellar script.

To add to the discussion, I think a lot of people rush to criticize The Batman because they are placing BTAS within the greater context of the DCAU. If fans can just think in terms of the individual series, I think there will be a lot more intelligent debate.

[TheGrayGhost]

Hold on, first of all this thread wasn't meant to start arguments. Second of all, because MY OPINION differs from some, that makes me an idiot? Great logic there. Is one not allowed to like something different than what you favor? If anything, these comments show who the young and immature people are on this board.

Sorry. I guess I was just adding more fuel to the flames.

So, because this is an appreciation thread, I appreciate the fact that a new generation of kids will get to see a Batman cartoon.

[TheGrayGhost]

New Joker, Harvey Dent, Riddler, etc would be great!

Paul Dini is the only man who can save this show.

Not really. Paul Dini isn't as talented as he used to be. His latest writing on several of the DCAU shows are mediocre at best.

[Mr. Socko]

Is this true :eek:

[Spidey-Bat]

Not really. Paul Dini isn't as talented as he used to be. His latest writing on several of the DCAU shows are mediocre at best.
Even if he's mediocre now, it'd still be an improvement from THE BATMAN.

[Mr. Socko]

LMAO!!!! And so true.