Should Jean Grey be brought back?

[Marvelmaster]

Hello, I'm new here and I'm looking for some raw data from this vast board of knowledge. Recently, Joe Quesada announced that there are no plans to bring back Jean Grey.

Now setting aside what you may think of this, I would like to know how many of you think Jean Grey should be brought back in the 616 universe. After Phoenix Endsong, should she be brought back? Should she come back? Please let me know!

[Anubis]

No. THey never should have brought her back after the Dark Pheonix saga to begin with.

[supermarvelman]

NO NEVER LEAVE HER AS DEAD AS UNCLE BEN. Theres no place for her anymore.

[Thundergod777]

Yes, Phoenix should be brought back after a little while. The problem is that she is far and away probably the most powerful character in comics. As such, it is hard to find any real challenges for her to battle.

[Anubis]

I think the Pheonix Force should come back, but minus Jean. Make it bond with somebody else. A new character. They shoulda did that from the start if they wanted the Pheonix Force back so badly.

[supermarvelman]

Again i totally agree Anubis.

[Mogwai]

A lot of ppl think the hooded figure in Astonishing X-Men is her. It would definitely make sense.

[Majin Boo]

noone truly dies in the marvel universe

[fifthfiend]

Look what it really comes down to is once you start calling a character the Phoenix, she's gonna come back from the dead.

Would you call a character Hercules and not have him be really strong? No, cause that would be stupid.

So you're not gonna call a character Phoenix and have her not come back from the dead.

[Anubis]

True. While I might not like it, I'm well aware that her return is inevitable.

[Kurosawa]

No. THey never should have brought her back after the Dark Pheonix saga to begin with.
:up: :up: :up:

[supermarvelman]

The Pheonix force will always ressurect not the host.

[Abaddon]

But wasnt it established in Endsong that the Phoenix Force is a part of Jean?

[fifthfiend]

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[BrianWilly]

But wasnt it established in Endsong that the Phoenix Force is a part of Jean?Yes. Both Morrison and Endsong firmly established that Jean is the true Phoenix, as was originally the case as Claremont intended in the Phoenix Saga before all of the cloning force coccoon retcons whatever made a mess out of everything. Jean and the Force are instrinsically tied in that they are two parts that make up the true, ultimate form of White Phoenix of the Crown.

[Seventh Soldier]

I realize that her return is inevitable...but, it's just always so poorly handled. I mean, seriously, how many times can she go evil? Why does anyone even care anymore? It's no longer a story...it's a retelling of a retelling of a story that was interesting once.

Bring her back. I really don't care. Just stop freakin' killing her off if you do!

[Abaddon]

Well Jean hasnt gone evil since the phoenix saga.:confused:

[ookami]

NO NEVER LEAVE HER AS DEAD AS UNCLE BEN. Theres no place for her anymore.

I think I want you!!!!:up: :)
except the uncle ben part I like him.

[supermarvelman]

Thank You, I'm so flattered

[supermarvelman]

They need to quit bringing her back in minis and X-Men story arcs.

If your gonna bring Jean back it needs to be during one of these big Marvel Events, where everybody in the Marvel Universe needs to be involved not just the X-Men.

Why would the Avengers, Fantastic Four just leave it up to the X-Men

[grey_jeanie]

I think she should be brought back but just as Jean Grey - no phoenix stuff. That's been done.

[supermarvelman]

And i totally agree how many times is she gonna be Evil, come on. RE-HASH

[Abaddon]

Again she was only evil once.

[supermarvelman]

Okay

[AnnoyingSilence]

But wasnt it established in Endsong that the Phoenix Force is a part of Jean?Its been stated on meany occasions that Phoenix IS pretty much Jean Grey, herself.

Phoenix copied JG so well, that she is actually her, but with the Phoenix Force.

[deemar325]

Jean should stay dead until Alan Moore decides to do some Marvel work.

[AnnoyingSilence]

They need to quit bringing her back in minis and X-Men story arcs.

If your gonna bring Jean back it needs to be during one of these big Marvel Events, where everybody in the Marvel Universe needs to be involved not just the X-Men.

Why would the Avengers, Fantastic Four just leave it up to the X-Men1. Thats the only way they can bring her back.

2... Have you been reading The avengers? or The ultimates?

They got thier stuff goin on too. like the whole, 'Relvealling Law' thing ain't a joke.

[supermarvelman]

Yes i read both, what does that matter?

[AnnoyingSilence]

if you don't get the point by reading that post., then someone else can help you.

[supermarvelman]

alrighty then.

[deemar325]

I think If Jean is to be brought back, she is more than worthy of a major 'Event' Joe Q loves so much.

[Thundergod777]

As I understand it, Jean, during the solar storm she piloted the shuttle through, was further mutated into the ultimate expression of her powers. The energy form that appeared and told her that she would replace her was actually her own powers taking on a life of their own in much the same way that Onslaught did from Prof.X .

As a question, does it seemto anyone else that the missing "pieces" of (Phoenix) that keep being mentioned are actually the source of power for the other minor phoenixes shown in Morrison's last story arc?

[ShadowBoxing]

No...she should stay dead

[AnnoyingSilence]

As I understand it, Jean, during the solar storm she piloted the shuttle through, was further mutated into the ultimate expression of her powers. The energy form that appeared and told her that she would replace her was actually her own powers taking on a life of their own in much the same way that Onslaught did from Prof.X .It wouldn't be at all the same as prof.X, because she didn't erase someones mind and have evil slip into her.

[Abaddon]

He means in the sense that Onslaught was a projection of Xaviers repressed feelings and Magneto's darker aspects.It became a separate entity and was able to use the abilities of both,sort of like the Phoenix Force.

[Marvelmaster]

Thank you all for participating. Now would anybody mind helpping me tally up the votes? :)

[Zoken]

How about this idea:

1: the Phoenix Force comes back, but bonds with Rachel Summers, or maybe even Cable. And I don't mean the pittling sample of Phoenix Force Rachel will display from time to time, but the whole thing, or maybe it should even bond with Franklin Richards.

2: Jean is brought back, but stripped of any and all Phoenix powers or mutant powers. she is depowered. she awakens in a shack where she is being cared for (for some reason her legs are broken) by a mysterious, and familiar woman in red.

[Abaddon]

Thank you all for participating. Now would anybody mind helpping me tally up the votes? :)


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[XwolverineX]

No no no no no no no no NO NO NO !!!!! Jean, should stay th' hell dead. She's a horrible character anyhow. :o:down

[rabidfanboy]

She definitely should and will be brought back.

[Sun_Down]

Of course she'll come back eventually. A character that big would never stay dead for good.

[antonydelfini]

Of course she'll come back eventually. A character that big would never stay dead for good.

Exactly. the character's impact in the x world is just too big and a lot of fans miss the goods that she delivers to the stories.

[Harlekin]

How about this idea:

1: the Phoenix Force comes back, but bonds with Rachel Summers, or maybe even Cable. And I don't mean the pittling sample of Phoenix Force Rachel will display from time to time, but the whole thing, or maybe it should even bond with Franklin Richards.

2: Jean is brought back, but stripped of any and all Phoenix powers or mutant powers. she is depowered. she awakens in a shack where she is being cared for (for some reason her legs are broken) by a mysterious, and familiar woman in red.
But Jean is the Phoenix. Or at least, in this reality.

[GoldenAgeHero]

they should bring her back but leave the phoenix force alone.

[FieryBalrog]

She's my favorite character, but I would put it this way:

Bring her back with bad writing: don't do it at all
Bring her back with mediocre writing: after a few years
Bring her back with really good writing: yes, of course.

[FieryBalrog]

I think the Pheonix Force should come back, but minus Jean. Make it bond with somebody else. A new character. They shoulda did that from the start if they wanted the Pheonix Force back so badly.

I really hate this idea. They should stop passing the Force around like chewing gum at recess. Would it be a good idea to give Thor's powers to Captain America? No.

[Anubis]

Thats entirely different considering that Jean Grey exsisted as a heroin before being infected by the pheonix. Thor is Thor. The Pheonix is just some cosmic entity that took hold of a mutant like herpes.

[Abaddon]

The Phoenix is part of Jean.

[Anubis]

Yeah, now. But it didn't have to be. It was a mistake is what i'm saying. They shoulda just let her die and been done with it.

[FieryBalrog]

Yeah, now. But it didn't have to be. It was a mistake is what i'm saying. They shoulda just let her die and been done with it.

What do you mean "now"? It was originally as well. The Phoenix Force was invented 6 years after Jean died on the moon. There is no Force infecting anybody in 1976.

They should never have brought her back after the death on the moon. But they did, and in a spectacularly bad fashion, one that spat all over the original story. At least they've done the decent thing and tied Jean to Phoenix forever. I dont care if they never bring her back if it means spitting all over the Phoenix saga again with alien entities that body-hop. If they want to power up other mutants, power 'em up. But don't use Jean/Phoenix to do it, what purpose does that serve as a story?

[Anubis]

Again, thats what I'm saying. They never should have brought her back after the Pheonix Saga. If they wanted the Pheonix so bad, they should brought it back into somebody else. Now the Pheonix is apart of her. So now if the Pheonix comes back, so does Jean. Repeating the same cycle all over again.

[Abaddon]

Well,Balrog, it would seem odd to permanently kill off a chacracter named "Phoenix",so I think an idea like that wouldnt have even been considered.

[Anubis]

Jean Grey was Marvel Girl. She didn't go by the name Phoenix until she bonded with the Phoenix force. Thats the thing that should come back. The cosmic entity is the Phoenix, not the vessel. At least thats the way I felt they should have gone with it.

[FieryBalrog]

Again, thats what I'm saying. They never should have brought her back after the Pheonix Saga. If they wanted the Pheonix so bad, they should brought it back into somebody else.

Your post is pretty ironic. They didn't want Phoenix back. They wanted Jean (as Marvel Girl) back for X-factor so they invented the Phoenix Force to blame Dark Phoenix's crimes on it, because Marvel would not have Jean Grey back when she was responsible for the deaths of the D'Bari. Then they DID give the Force to someone else, Rachel. So not only did they not want Phoenix back, they did give it to someone else, Rachel Grey.

So I think you've pretty much got it ass-backwards. They didn't resurrect Jean because they wanted Phoenix, they invented the Phoenix Force and gave it to Rachel because they wanted Marvel Girl back.



Now the Pheonix is apart of her.


It was from the beginning.

So now if the Pheonix comes back, so does Jean. Repeating the same cycle all over again.

Thats like saying Magneto comes back with his magnetism powers over and over again, repeating the same cycle. If they want magnetic powers back have Spiderman infected with magnetic powers.

Bringing Jean back as Phoenix is only repeating the story if the story is "omg, she's Phoenix! crazy!". If they do a story where the main topic is not "wow Jean is Phoenix!" but something else that just happens to involve her as a character, then its a new story.

Basically if they just treat Phoenix as the extension of her powers and not the big focus of the story, then she's a character like anyone else.

[FieryBalrog]

Jean Grey was Marvel Girl. She didn't go by the name Phoenix until she bonded with the Phoenix force. Thats the thing that should come back. The cosmic entity is the Phoenix, not the vessel. At least thats the way I felt they should have gone with it.

*sigh* There WAS no cosmic entity until they brought her back. She didn't bond with the Phoenix Force until the retcon in 1986 6 years after she died on the moon. Back in the original story, Phoenix is just Jean Grey reborn as a super-powered psi. Phoenix was a metaphor for her rebirth.

Its also pretty funny how you're complaining that Jean always comes back as Phoenix when the first time she came back- the big resurrection- she did NOT come back as Phoenix, in fact the opposite- they tried to separate the two as far as possible, and they turned around and gave the Force to Rachel Grey. Jean then didn't manifest any sign of being the Phoenix avatar for the next 12 years.

[Anubis]

And yet, everything was retconned to be that way. If she had died, and stayed dead, that would be it. But then it went to clones, and daughters of clones from the far future and.....this is why I f**king hate the X-Men.

[FieryBalrog]

And yet, everything was retconned to be that way. If she had died, and stayed dead, that would be it. But then it went to clones, and daughters of clones from the far future and.....this is why I f**king hate the X-Men.

which brings me back to...


They should never have brought her back after the death on the moon. But they did, and in a spectacularly bad fashion, one that spat all over the original story. At least they've done the decent thing and tied Jean to Phoenix forever. I dont care if they never bring her back if it means spitting all over the Phoenix saga again with alien entities that body-hop. If they want to power up other mutants, power 'em up. But don't use Jean/Phoenix to do it, what purpose does that serve as a story?

I despise clones, I hate alternate future kids and I loathe the Phoenix Force being passed around as an alien force going around infecting random mutants. If the Phoenix ever comes back, it should be just Jean as a powerful mutant using the Force like Magneto uses magnetism.

[kiuju2k]

Nope.

[Marcdachamp]

Please, God, don't bring her back.

[Gambit8370]

Please God, take Emma as a trade.

[FieryBalrog]

Please God, take Emma as a trade.

lol

[runawayboulder]

Awwwwwwww S**T, that's right I'm bumping this effer!

I was bored and decided to bump an old topic to get some convo going. So reading a lot of these responses from 06, it seems like the majority hate the idea of her coming back. Seeing how some of these posters are either banned or stopped coming here but I figure we can get the opinions of some of the newer posters.

So I'll ask the question again - Should the real Jean Grey come back? How would you feel about it now in this post AvX world of Marvel NOW? Are you happy with just Teen Jean? Should the original come back as well?

[Laufey]

I'm happy with the Jean we have in All New X-Men at the moment.

[Mad Ones]

I want the real Jean back, but I'm content with teen Jean for now. I'd rather the confident, nurturing, and strong Jean we had with Morrison, but things are already better even with teen Jean.

[runawayboulder]

Oh and for the record, I still want the old Jean back.

[JewishHobbit]

I'm okay with Teen Jean for the moment but I'd much rather the original come back. I'm hoping Bendis is using this teen version to prepare readers for the return of the original.

The X-Men have struggled since she was killed off and Emma has never amounted to a worthy replacement. The only good thing that's happened as a result, and it's been recent, is that Kitty's sorta been forced to rise up to her roll on the team. I'd still rather it be Jean though.

[TheCorpulent1]

Don't care either way.

[Hawkingbird]

I'm torn. I want her back, but I'm tried of death meaning nothing in the Marvel Universe.

[JewishHobbit]

I think Jean's been gone enough that her death meant something. I just hate when they return a year or less after their deaths.

People like Jean and Banshee have been dead long enough that if they return it'd feel special. I'm cool with that.

[runawayboulder]

I think Jean's been gone enough that her death meant something. I just hate when they return a year or less after their deaths.

People like Jean and Banshee have been dead long enough that if they return it'd feel special. I'm cool with that.

Yup, totally agree.

[Primal Slayer]

I want her back and for her not to die again for at least 10 years.

[Mad Ones]

I want Nightcrawler back. His death served the purpose of showing how much people were willing to sacrifice for Hope. Hope's story is done... so bring him back. I miss him!

[thephoenix101]

im not sure if shes back for good but read avx i think she appears

[thephoenix101]

emma is the best thing for scott and she is very worthy she is just as good as jean ever will be

[thephoenix101]

what book is teen jean back in ?????????????????????

[thephoenix101]

i like emma she is way better then jeanie the meanie lol ik that was lame

[Raiden]

As a big an of Jean Grey, I've been hoping that she'll return for the longest time. I just hope they won't keep her dead forever (and no, I don't consider the teenage AU Jean Grey to be the real deal).

[runawayboulder]

im not sure if shes back for good but read avx i think she appears

emma is the best thing for scott and she is very worthy she is just as good as jean ever will be

what book is teen jean back in ?????????????????????

i like emma she is way better then jeanie the meanie lol ik that was lame

I feel like I owe the board an apology now for bringing this thread back.....:dry:

[Hawkingbird]

emma is the best thing for scott and she is very worthy she is just as good as jean ever will be
As much as I love Emma, recent events prove this to be untrue.

[Mad Ones]

Yeah, it's interesting to see how things develop. Back in the Whedon days I would have said Emma is better for Scott, but AvX was a whole new level of self destructive relationship. I like the mutual friendship/fondness/angst they have right now in Uncanny X-men.

[TedderX]

Hated Pheonix.

Love Jean Grey. Bring her back.

[Hawkingbird]

Phoenix is one of the best characters of all time. Pure genius.

[Mad Ones]

Would anyone else like it if one day all the original X-men except for Jean were sent back, and Jean was aged somehow and given her old memories? Right now that seems like the most viable way to get old Jean back, even if it's a little convoluted.

[IFryKids]

Would anyone else like it if one day all the original X-men except for Jean were sent back, and Jean was aged somehow and given her old memories? Right now that seems like the most viable way to get old Jean back, even if it's a little convoluted.

I would hate that, personally. No need to get all complicated and Cable-ize her return.

[runawayboulder]

All they need is someone else to become the White Phoenix of the crown and Jean can return, seems pretty simple to me.

I thought that's where they were going with AvX. I figured since the PF created Hope, her and Jean could have swapped places and boom - Jean's back and Hope's in limbo (or more specifically the White Hot Room). For some reason, the powers at Marvel decided not to pull the trigger.

[Specter313]

All they need is someone else to become the White Phoenix of the crown and Jean can return, seems pretty simple to me.

I thought that's where they were going with AvX. I figured since the PF created Hope, her and Jean could have swapped places and boom - Jean's back and Hope's in limbo (or more specifically the White Hot Room). For some reason, the powers at Marvel decided not to pull the trigger.

Hope is in Cable and X-Force, did you mean the Phoenix Force itself?

[runawayboulder]

Hope is in Cable and X-Force, did you mean the Phoenix Force itself?

Not sure what you mean.

I was just suggesting what I would have done with Hope and Jean in the last issue of AvX. Would you rather have Jean back or a weak imitation in Hope that's on a book not many care about...?

[Specter313]

Ah, gotcha. Guess that's what I get for trying to read and not fully comprehending something after just waking up from a nap.

[Aesculapius]

If they bring her back, they should do it soon so she can see what a prick Cyclops has become. That should make for great drama.

Still, she would be an acceptable permadeath in my book, but I doubt she will stay dead.

[runawayboulder]

I think Jean is aware of what's going on with Scott. She's appeared to him a bunch of times and was shown at the end of Here Comes Tomorrow to have the ability to reach out and change things/plant ideas and suggestions. I doubt all were hallucinations but Marvel has kind of left it open for reader interpretation.

[TheCorpulent1]

She should come back just to slap Scott for going crazy.

[Panthro]

If Jean Grey ever does come back (time traveling teen version doesn't count) she should join the Avengers and hook up with Captain America - just to piss Cyclops off. :twisted::devil:

[Mad Ones]

Still better than Wolverine.

As much as I want the real Jean to come back, what I really want is a Jean that is a major player regarding mutants. Maybe that's why I really don't mind teen Jean in ANXM. She's confident, has a noble mission statement, and is committed to the struggle. That's the Jean I want. We'll see where it goes, but I hope Jean, whether teen or not, is as important to the X-men and mutants as Cyclops and Wolverine are.

[Artistsean]

Here is an idea, let me know if its not possible because the laws of imaginary time travel or
something (seriously, I have no clue if this would be considered impossible). In Back the the
Future, I think, they say that traveling back in time creates an alternate timeline that diverges at one
point. Couldn't these All New X-Men then be considered from an alternate timeline? And maybe
that is how they could stay. So you could now have a young Jean Grey, a young Beast without fur,
a young Ice Man, a young Angel without any Apocalypse troubles, and two Cyclopses one young
good and idealistic and one jaded and a little evil.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/103945/2556429-all_new_x_men_1_2_02.jpg

You can then have Hank McCoy's character grow in a different way, without the experiment that
mutated him in the first place. Maybe he wont grow fur ever. Or maybe he will mutate in a different
way. You can also have Angel grow up without being influenced by Apocalypse. You could have
Jean Grey back, but a younger version without the Pheonix and with stronger powers. You could
maybe have a bad Cyclops and a good Cyclops at the same time, like having your cake and eating
it too. I mean, everyone is wondering how this will end, and that it will probably end with them
going home and getting their minds erased by Xavier. But what if they dont?

Thoughts? Good? Bad? Impossible?

[StreetWarrior]

I personally hope (regular) Jean stays dead. Nothing against the character but death is so meaningless in the Marvel universe. Someone needs to stay dead (besides Uncle Ben and Gwen Stacy).

As for Emma Frost, I'm kind of indifferent but she seems to be an okay character. A bit more personality/moral complexity than Jean. However, I don't realy think this is an "either or" situation.

[Panthro]

Still better than Wolverine.

She'd probably get stuck in a triangle between Cap and Wolverine, since her personal life is apparently incapable of functioning without a triangle of some sort. Assuming that Wolverine doesn't decide to ship "Captain Phoenix" (or whatever goofy nickname the tabloids would come up with) - which would still piss Cyclops off, no doubt.

You know, I actually could see them doing that, have Jean join the Avengers just to generate angst on Cyclops's part - of course, it would be ALL about him being angry about his ex-wife going to bat for the other team without any kind of focus as to why Jean would take the Avengers up on the offer.


As much as I want the real Jean to come back, what I really want is a Jean that is a major player regarding mutants. Maybe that's why I really don't mind teen Jean in ANXM. She's confident, has a noble mission statement, and is committed to the struggle. That's the Jean I want. We'll see where it goes, but I hope Jean, whether teen or not, is as important to the X-men and mutants as Cyclops and Wolverine are.
It would help if they didn't keep defaulting to her being the Phoenix's favorite host.

[Mad Ones]

You never know what they'll do in the future, but Marvel has really been taking away the elements of the Phoenix that were unique to Jean. We had the Phoenix Five and Hope as White Phoenix of the Crown. Not to mention the Phoenix has been destroyed for right now. It really seems like they're divorcing Jean from the Phoenix.

But even if they did continue to tie Jean to Phoenix, it doesn't have to hurt Jean's character. The Phoenix is an ally of the mutants and seeks to ensure evolution and progress. It would make sense to have whoever yields the Phoenix to be an X-man.

[Aesculapius]

If they do decide that they want to base her return around love drama if/when it happens, I think it should be someone totally out of left field, like someone else who has transcended human power, like Silver Surfer or somethin'.

Course it's a character I don't care about a whole lot, so a "What the bleeding f**k," twist would suit me well. I'm sure that would make Jean*whoever shippers froth at the mouth.

[The Infernal]

I think it's a shame Jean has been gone so long and it doesn't seem like she's coming back anytime soon. Plus I always preferred the Jean/Cyclops relationship. I've never really been a fan of Emma Frost either.

[DarknessOfDeath]

And where have I been all this time? Its been a while since I've picked up an x-men comic. I don't have much. I just have Endsong and Warsong...though...I prefer endsong. yet, I call myself a Jean/Cyclops fan when I haven't read every comic book that's been written. :( I feel ashamed.

[storyteller]

Cyclops is not evil. Cyclops is not corrupt. Cyclops has not become a prick. Wolverine has tricking the X-men into thinking that their hands can be squeaky clean while he remains a killer. The X-men are naive.

[runawayboulder]

Wolverine hasn't been trying to trick anyone. Daken tricked Wolverine into killing his other kids he never knew he had and it changed him, leading into Schism where he refused to put the younger students on the front line. This was reflected in Uncanny X-Force which wasn't as much about killing as you may think.

[Mad Ones]

I don't read any of Wolverine's titles, so I've always been confused. Am I right that Daken organized Wolverine's various unknown children and they attacked Wolverine, and unknowingly, Wolverine killed them all? I don't see how that correlates to Wolverine opposing teen mutants fighting, especially when their lives depend on it quite a bit.

As for Cyclops, there are always going to be people calling him a prick, evil, dictator, insane, etc., but most of them don't even read the titles Cyclops stars in.

[runawayboulder]

I don't read any of Wolverine's titles, so I've always been confused. Am I right that Daken organized Wolverine's various unknown children and they attacked Wolverine, and unknowingly, Wolverine killed them all? I don't see how that correlates to Wolverine opposing teen mutants fighting, especially when their lives depend on it quite a bit.

He pretty much had a nervous breakdown because of it.

[Mad Ones]

And then started behaving illogically because of it? I guess it works...

[runawayboulder]

How exactly is it that?

[Snikt8]

Cyclops is not evil. Cyclops is not corrupt. Cyclops has not become a prick. Wolverine has tricking the X-men into thinking that their hands can be squeaky clean while he remains a killer. The X-men are naive.

Cyclops asked Wolverine to lead X-Force....becasue Scott made a decision to kill the enemy before they killed them. Logan agreed to keep the blood off of Scott's hands. But that does not excuse him from that. Also, in the Wolverine series when Logan was possesed and was taking out all the X-Men, Scott was training on how to kill Logan. Do you think Logan sits around and wonders how he could gut the other X-Men?

And now Scott shows up at the Jean Grey School trying to lure the students to join his revolution....? Thats not corrupt?

[Mad Ones]

How exactly is it that?
I guess I just don't get how Wolverine killing his own children correlates to Wolverine not allowing any kids to fight. Sounds like whatever happened in that Wolverine storyline was personal to him and the result of his own actions throughout the years. I'm not sure why he's extending it to the students, especially when they've needed to fight in order to not die.

[Snikt8]

^I don't think that Wolverine wants his students to be pacifists...he just feels they should be trained and not thrown into the front lines. Makes sense to me.

[Mad Ones]

Well, I don't think Cyclops was throwing students into the front lines either. Idie did what she had to do in Schism.

[Snikt8]

Now he is. He was practically standing besides his "new" students when facing off with the Avengers in UXM.

[Mad Ones]

Oh yeah. He for sure is now. But during Schism I didn't think he was, though.

[runawayboulder]

I guess I just don't get how Wolverine killing his own children correlates to Wolverine not allowing any kids to fight. Sounds like whatever happened in that Wolverine storyline was personal to him and the result of his own actions throughout the years. I'm not sure why he's extending it to the students, especially when they've needed to fight in order to not die.

It was a series of events that compounded into everything:

#1) He was tricked into killing his kids.
#2) Witnessed first hand the murder of the Apocalypse child in cold blood.
#3) Saw Cyclops willingness to put young children on the front line when he felt the other X-Men were capable.

[Hawkingbird]

It's not like that sort of crap is new to him...:o