Who will be remembered as DC's greatest villain of all time?

[Calendar Man]

Who will history look at as being the greatest villain from DC comics?



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[The Leaguer]

It's gotta be ??????????. That guy is mean as Hell.

[Calendar Man]

It's gotta be ??????????. That guy is mean as Hell.

lol yeah I put a poll up. That was meant to symbolize the "other" option.

[SouLeSS]

Based on your poll options, shouldn't this be a "Batmans greatest villian" ?

[Calendar Man]

Based on your poll options, shouldn't this be a "Batmans greatest villian" ?

I included a bunch of other villians (including a bunch of Superman villians) and an other section so I'm not really sure what the problem is. Its not my fault Bats and Supes have the most high profile villains. This is supposed to be who history will see as the greatest. If you think it is someone not on the list vote for "other'.

[Diamondhead]

C'mon now!
another stupid Batman character is wining just because the superherohype are infested with bratfans who are voting more than once for their favorite and only known character that they grew up watching on batman tas .

I’ve always thought that lex Luthor would be more than fit to be the Batman no. 1 enemy instead of a clown
Then again perhaps that Lex is way more too cunning and superior for the bat after all!

[Diamondhead]

It's gotta be ??????????. That guy is mean as Hell.
that's not what i call mean
that's just silly and so is the rest of them batman's main villains except for catwoman perhaps !

[Calendar Man]

C'mon now!
another stupid Batman character is wining just because the superherohype are infested with bratfans who are voting more than once for their favorite and only known character that they grew up watching on batman tas .

I’ve always thought that lex Luthor would be more than fit to be the Batman no. 1 enemy instead of a clown
Then again perhaps that Lex is way more too cunning and superior for the bat after all!

No one voted twice. Its a public poll so you can check the people out if you want. And only a total of five people voted so far, so I really wouldn't concern yourself with whos "winning" yet.

[Lackey]

The Joker is one of the only comic book villains to reach icon status, usually it's only the most famous of comic book superheroes that achieve that...like Superman, Batman.
This is partly due to the fact that the Joker was built upon an existing icon (the Joker card in a deck of playing cards), however, the character has taken that symbol and made it all his own not only bringing to mind the clever court jester, but also the clown as his modern replacement to create a strangely fun and likeable villain... so that most people cannot help but think of this

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when they think of this

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[Calendar Man]

The Joker is one of the only comic book villains to reach icon status, usually it's only the most famous of comic book superheroes that achieve that...like Superman, Batman.
This is partly due to the fact that the Joker was built upon an existing icon (the Joker card in a deck of playing cards), however, the character has taken that symbol and made it all his own not only bringing to mind the clever court jester, but also the clown as his modern replacement to create a strangely fun and likeable villain... so that most people cannot help but think of this

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when they think of this

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Very good point. He has also been everything from a goofy, kid friendly type character to the most vile and evil villain imaginable (in comics intended for adults). He is always there. He has my vote.

[warren_sparta27]

i voted Joker, because he is my fav villian of all time, but Lex probably the better criminal mastermind.

[Calendar Man]

i voted Joker, because he is my fav villian of all time, but Lex probably the better criminal mastermind.

I'm not so sure about that.

[Calendar Man]

I'm shocked "Cobblepot" voted for The Joker.

[TheFalcon]

I voted for Joker. Lex Luthor is probably a more versatile villain, but he's not as evil as Joker.

[Bullseye]

Its not even close. The Joker.

[XwolverineX]

Th' joker. 'Cause he's Batman's villain, no reason else.

[Kal-El 8]

Who will history look at as being the greatest villain from DC comics?



(1) The Joker

(2) Lex Luthor

[Calendar Man]

(1) The Joker

(2) Lex Luthor

Yeah. I think you are correct.

[Pksoze]

Anybody ever read the Autobiography of Lex Luthor. After reading that, Luthor scared me a bit more than the Joker. His cruelty, his genius, and his god complex fascinated me.

Reading the Autobiography of Lex Luthor & the Killing Joke back to back makes the Joker seem a far less evil but more sympathetic figure imo.

[SsM]

Joker hands down on the list, I dont know if anti-monitor should be part of it though? maybe? he did destroy all but a handful of the universes or since he was just created for that miniseries he doesnt really qualify?

[Warhammer]

1. The Joker.
2. Darkseid.
3. Lex.

No other villains that were choices compare to those three.

:cool:

[Calendar Man]

Joker hands down on the list, I dont know if anti-monitor should be part of it though? maybe? he did destroy all but a handful of the universes or since he was just created for that miniseries he doesnt really qualify?

I don't think much of the general public knows who he is but people who think he is greatest can vote for "other" and post his name.

[Antitang]

Doctor Ub'x greatest villain of all time...


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[That-Guy]

LUTHOR. As much as I love the Joker, he just can't match Luthor in the evil schemes department. His own incompetence is his downfall, constantly. At least Luthor (occasionally) learns from his mistakes.

[Calendar Man]

I still think The Joker has had a bigger impact and is more iconic.

[Calendar Man]

A race between The Joker and Lex...as I suspected.

[Vanguard07]

I'm gonna say Darkseid.

[Shawkur]

Hitler.

[Calendar Man]

Hitler.

I think he was more of a Marvel villain. ;)

[Calendar Man]

Wow Lex is really catching up.

[Caliber]

Lex is there greatest villian because hes a world threat not just a bat villian. Jokers great but not in the way Lex works. Lex is the villian people want to be. He may not have powers but he has the intelligence of genius and the desires of a world conquerer. Hes great because hes rational and plots against you. He gets others to fight for him so hes always in control

Joker is f***ing overrated.

[Brian Braddock]

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I voted for this guy. Iconic as hell. Never mind being DC's greatest villain. He's the greatest comicbook villain of all time imo.

[Calendar Man]

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I voted for this guy. Iconic as hell. Never mind being DC's greatest villain. He's the greatest comicbook villain of all time imo.




I totally agree with everything you said. :up:

[drastic_quench]

When I see questions like "Who will be remembered as DC's greatest villain of all time?" I somehow always boil it down to what the general population of non-comic reading people would think. In most instances I think this population can be personified by a single person: your mom.

I think Mom would more likely answer The Joker over Lex Luthor. Mom might not even recall Lex's name. I think part of the reason why is because Luthor lacks anything visually distinctive. He's bald; but not always. Moms would likely be more familiar with Hackman's Luthor. He's got that green armor, but again, that's not consistant either.

Now, The Joker's had his share of looks, costumes, and interpretations - but he's always what he is: Joker. He's a brand name.

[That-Guy]

Lex is there greatest villian because hes a world threat not just a bat villian. Jokers great but not in the way Lex works. Lex is the villian people want to be. He may not have powers but he has the intelligence of genius and the desires of a world conquerer. Hes great because hes rational and plots against you. He gets others to fight for him so hes always in control

Joker is f***ing overrated.


Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself. Hell, look at the Crisis. Whether you like the way its going or not, Luthor is a central figure. Now, granted, most of what we've seen has been Alex posing as Luthor, but the fact is that Luthor is so feared and respected among the villain community that when he came calling, they answered (except for the Secret Six and a few others). The Joker, on the other hand, was one guy that no one wanted to work with... partially because he's crazy but also because I don't think anyone really has any confidence in him.

[Calendar Man]

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself. Hell, look at the Crisis. Whether you like the way its going or not, Luthor is a central figure. Now, granted, most of what we've seen has been Alex posing as Luthor, but the fact is that Luthor is so feared and respected among the villain community that when he came calling, they answered (except for the Secret Six and a few others). The Joker, on the other hand, was one guy that no one wanted to work with... partially because he's crazy but also because I don't think anyone really has any confidence in him.

Yeah he is the A-1 nutso...why would they have confidence in a guy who would shoot them without thinking twice. His only major goal is chaos but that could actually be used as an argument for The Joker.

[Antitang]

A race between The Joker and Lex...as I suspected.


You seem to have forgotten to include Doctor Ub'x...

[Not Jake]

it would be gorilla grodd if he got any media exposure. Look at how well King Kong did. People love gorillas. Look at how many people loved Mr. Ed. People love talking animals. And people love cunning villains. King Kong + Mr. Ed + intelligent villainy = greatest villain ever

[TheGrayGhost]

In my believe, The Joker is the greatest villain of all time (take that, you StarWars fans!)

Its not even close. The Joker.

I wouldn't go far as to say that. I'd say the Lex Luthor is really, really close.

[Bat Attack]

The Joker. Definitley.

[ShadowBoxing]

Down to Lex or Joker....I think in the long run Lex will be relatable to future generations, while it will get harder and harder to believe Joker roams free

[Tamanon]

I personally see Luthor as the greatest villain in the DCU. He's just so driven and brilliant. Read Lex Luthor Man of Steel if you want to really see evil's heart. And you may find it's not that different from your own. Just so much more of a complex character.

[ShadowBoxing]

I personally see Luthor as the greatest villain in the DCU. He's just so driven and brilliant. Read Lex Luthor Man of Steel if you want to really see evil's heart. And you may find it's not that different from your own. Just so much more of a complex character.Ehhhh I would not go that far...Joker is about as complex as they come

[Calendar Man]

it would be gorilla grodd if he got any media exposure. Look at how well King Kong did. People love gorillas. Look at how many people loved Mr. Ed. People love talking animals. And people love cunning villains. King Kong + Mr. Ed + intelligent villainy = greatest villain ever

King Kong didn't actually do that well considering the ridiculous budget but I think your points still stand. :up:

[Antitang]

King Kong didn't actually do that well considering the ridiculous budget but I think your points still stand. :up:

Don't forget the popularity of Planet of the Apes.:p

[drastic_quench]

and Detective Chimp...

[Calendar Man]

There are only three real monsters kid: Dracula, Blackula and Son of Kong.

[Brian Braddock]

There are only three real monsters kid: Dracula, Blackula and Son of Kong.

Nah -Dracula, Blackula and Count Duckula. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Pksoze]

If you're Ra's Al Ghul are you a bit depressed that a monkey got more votes than you.

[Warhammer]

There are only three real monsters kid: Dracula, Blackula and Son of Kong.

Wow, Blackula was an old ghetto movie.

[Lackey]

He's quoting Futurama... funny as hell :):up:

[Calendar Man]

Bump.

[XFanTim]

As far as who will be remembered as the greatest villain, what matters is impact on the readers. I'd say Lex has had the bigger impact within the DC universe, but Joker's achieved more memorable moments of villainy from a comic reader's perspective. Killing a Robin and maiming a Bat-girl, for starters.

[SouLeSS]

They should of had Joker rape Bat-Girl. Just for more reason to hate him.

[Calendar Man]

They should of had Joker rape Bat-Girl. Just for more reason to hate him.

I think they implied that in The Killing Joke.

[krisboyuk]

Luthor by a country mile. He's f**king badass.

[Arkady Rossovich]

I would have to say Luthor.He is the most iconic villian of DC,and is the most well known villian also.Joker is a Batman villian,but one could also say Luthor is a Superman villian.But more people know of Luthor.

[Purple Man]

I like both villains equally. Lex is cool and calculated while the Joker is wild.

Their both crazy and clever at the same time.

But it all comes down to the visual. Who are you going to remember? The psychotic clown or the psychotic bald man?

Many people have a fear of clowns. A fear of bald heads? Not so many.

Luthor should definitly get a respectable second place though, followed by Darkseid.

I would also like to motion for Brainiac, Zoom, and Deathstroke to be included on the list.

Oh what the hell, put Solomon Grundy on there for good measure.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I’ve always thought that lex Luthor would be more than fit to be the Batman no. 1 enemy instead of a clown
Then again perhaps that Lex is way more too cunning and superior for the bat after all!Thats what I think but then again I think Lex would get board of Batman and thats why he rarely gives a second thought to him unlike Superman who is more on Lex level and has more to lose then Batman. Remember Lex can kill Superman he has shown that the thing with Lex is he wants to make Superman fall from grace before killing him.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Also really Darkseid could take the title if he ever just stopped talking and unleashed his full power he would rule the world before lunch is out.

[Purple Man]

Darkseid can keep on talking, he just needs the right words.

Namely the Anti-Life Equation.

Check out Darkseid in the Seven Soldiers: Mr.Miracle series.

[Ultimate_Superman]

No I mean I don't mind him talking when he is beating the crap out of people but just sitting there or standing there doing nothing but talk when he could wipe them out in a matter of sec.

[XFanTim]

Many people have a fear of clowns. A fear of bald heads? Not so many.Well, some men fear that they'll end up with a bald head. :D

[Calendar Man]

I would have to say Luthor.He is the most iconic villian of DC,and is the most well known villian also.Joker is a Batman villian,but one could also say Luthor is a Superman villian.But more people know of Luthor.

Hmm....I disagree with this. I think the average person on the street would be more likely to know who The Joker is than Lex Luthor.

[Calendar Man]

I would also like to motion for Brainiac, Zoom, and Deathstroke to be included on the list.

Oh what the hell, put Solomon Grundy on there for good measure.

You are correct. I should have added all of them and some more Flash villians...and honestly I feel like a total doofus for leaving Brainiac off. Oh well, at least I put an "other" section.

[Varient]

Parallex.

[The BatDude]

Joker would be remember just because he's a crazy clown that everyone loves to hate.Lex should be in close second because his just plain smart and that's all he needs to fight Superman

[32CAGE]

I say Doomsday because of his reputation, even among those that do not follow comics closely, of killing Superman.

[Red X]

I want to say Ra's.

[CaptainStacy]

Lex Luthor for me.

Although Joker is pretty much my favorite overall DC Rogue, i just think that in the realm of villainy, Luthor is the greatest.

Joker will be remembered as a mass murderer, fine and well.

But Lex Luthor?

He often goes up against the (argueably) most powerful and renowned DC hero...

He often LEADS the other villains...

He has often completely DESTROYED the lives of people from his past (and present), over little more than a bruised ego...

He became President of the U.S....

[Brian Braddock]

Hmm....I disagree with this. I think the average person on the street would be more likely to know who The Joker is than Lex Luthor.


I was able to say the exact same thing. :up: Damn, beat me to it !!

[Calendar Man]

I want to say Ra's.

Then go for it....he needs a vote.

[DavidTyler]

God, this is tough. So many good choices... I wish the poll had been set up to allow you to vote more than once.

I'd have to say that my top choices are as follows:

Darksied
The Joker
Luthor (The modern version)
Ra's Al Ghul
Two Face

And.. Doomsday .. but only the original ... not the version that speaks.

Having said all that let me make a point that I don't put any one of them higher than any other. They're all great. But, since I can only vote for one... it will be ... hmmmm... I guess Darksied because I put him first on my list not for any other reason.

[Calendar Man]

Bump.

[Assassin]

tie, joker and lex luthor

[LexCorp]

I would say Lex. But the poll is against me, (only just). :confused:

[rigel7soldiers]

I love Lex Luthor. Why? Because at his core, every incarnation of Lex was a guy with above average intelligence, who fought Superman regularly. That takes all kinds of balls. No powers whatsoever, but he still thinks he's got what it takes to beat Superman.

[Super_Ludacris]

Definetly the Joker. Iconic. Maniacal. Sometimes no method to his madness. Ruthless. A somewhat tragic character. Classic, classic villian

[LexCorp]

I love Lex Luthor. Why? Because at his core, every incarnation of Lex was a guy with above average intelligence, who fought Superman regularly. That takes all kinds of balls. No powers whatsoever, but he still thinks he's got what it takes to beat Superman.

Yes I can and will back that up buddy. :up:

[Calendar Man]

Bump.

[Vic Von Doom]

I voted for Luthor. The Joker is great and all, but you have to bow down to a man who can look a god in the eye and not flinch. Lex Luthor dares to take on the most powerful being on the planet for no other reason than he offends his sense of decor, and also that he has the biggest ego on the planet. One of my favorite things about OYL was the comment on how Luthor always said he could cure cancer and save humanity if only Superman wasn't around (as shown in Millar's brilliant Red Son mini) , but I like how Luthor has pretty much spent the past year and right now devising ways to take over, still teaming up with people like Toyman and Metallo even though Supes has been gone for the whole Lost Year.

[That-Guy]

Hey what about Superboy Prime? :D



Seriously though, now that I think about it, the Anti-Monitor deserves to be on this list. True, he only really appeared in one story, but it was arguably the most influential comic book crossover event ever written, and that deserves some consideration. Add that to the fact the he was PURE evil, through and through... like an amalgamation of the most corrupt parts of Darth Vader, Sauron and Dr. Doom, and he didn't only try to destroy the universe, he tried to destroy ALL universes other than his own, I'd say that makes him a grade A badass.

[Whirlysplat]

Lex or the Joker for me. I went with Lex but they are the 2 imo.

- Whirly

[kiuju2k]

Its hard to say on this one. Dc has a good gallery of villains. I could never choose one. They outdo eachother on a yearly basis.

[trustyside-kick]

Lex or the Joker for me. I went with Lex but they are the 2 imo.

- Whirly

Ya...same...but I went with The Joker on the poll. He has done a lot of crap to Gotham and its people.

[newmexneon]

Lex Luthor.

The Joker is only a threat to Batman, but Lex threatens the entire planet.

[Vanguard07]

Darkseid threatens the whole universe. Therefor he's got luthor beat

[TheCorpulent1]

Greatest villain doesn't necessarily hinge on scope. I'd say Luthor's at least as bad for his level than Darkseid is for his.

[Vanguard07]

Well yeah. I got much respect for Luthor. More than I do for Darkseid actually. Darkseid's OE is too cheap. It cheapens the character to me. I just thought i'd mention him anyway.

I'd go with Luthor over Joker for sure. I mean he's the most evil (expletive deleted) on the planet and yet he always comes out smelling like roses. He plays the public for fools which is the best part.

I mean he became PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES! for god's sake. Now thats one badass level of villainry.

[Purple Man]

I still think Deathstroke should be on the list.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well yeah. I got much respect for Luthor. More than I do for Darkseid actually. Darkseid's OE is too cheap. It cheapens the character to me. I just thought i'd mention him anyway.

I'd go with Luthor over Joker for sure. I mean he's the most evil (expletive deleted) on the planet and yet he always comes out smelling like roses. He plays the public for fools which is the best part.

I mean he became PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES! for god's sake. Now thats one badass level of villainry.
Not quite always given the OYL story. But yeah, I always loved how he was untouchable because going after him would inevitably turn the public against Superman. He didn't need security or anything from Supes because public opinion worked better than any bodyguard ever could.

[titan101]

joker,b**chs!!!!

[titan101]

He became President of the U.S....yeah,but joker was once the ambassador of iran!!!!!!!!!

[trustyside-kick]

yeah,but joker was once the ambassador of iran!!!!!!!!!

Lol, yea in Death of the Family he was shortly part of the U.N.

[trustyside-kick]

Joker killed Jason Todd, paralyzed Barbara Gordon (Batgirl/Oracle), killed Gordon's wife, killed Lex Luthor (hero of the original Crisis on Infinite Earths and villain of its sequel Infinite Crisis). Not only that but he really gets under Batman's skin which is hard to do. :up:

[Calendar Man]

Hmm...Darkseid has quite a few votes now.

[Ibn]

I love how quickly people forget how brilliant Joker is. This man is not stupid. Yes, Luthor may be smarter, but he has nowhere near the personality that Joker does. Luthor operates nice and clean like, while the Joker is all out brash and unapologetic - and is still more feared and regarded than Luthor. While Lex is a brilliant character, and bold as hell, Joker, in my opinion, has been much bolder. Plus Jokers colorful psychopath is much more interesting than Lex's laid back style. I mean come on, Joker is just so much more creative. And, as far as the general public is concerned, the Batman movie didn't help out Lex's case any. Let's be honest, who was more appealing, Richard Donner's Luthor, or Tim Burton's Joker. And I don't really see that changing in the future. Joker is the most influential villain in DC's history. If you don't believe me, wait until the new Batman sequel comes out. JOKER is going to sell that movie. That movie is going to shatter records when people see a commercial featuring an even creepier Joker (hopefully) than B89's.


Also, though I know I'm probably in the minority, I think that Ra's is the second greatest DC villain ever. He has the wisdom of hundred's of years, is one of the greatest swordsman to ever exist. He Nearly wiped out the Justice League - with Batman's inventions no less. He (a human) went toe to toe w/ Wonder Woman and held his own. He has a much more vast operation than Lex or Bruce Wayne. He is Batman's intellectual equal. I mean sometimes, he's even in the position that you start to root for him. Though he is so evil, he is also so respectable. The same can be said about Lex or Darkseid, but I think it applies to Ra's a little bit more. He has also (wheter he wants to admit it or not) acted as a father figure at times to Bruce. There is obviously a deep respect between the two, which makes the relationship all the more interesting. Much moreso, I think, than that of say Superman and Lex/Darkseid hate/hate relationships.

Just my thoughts.

[Ibn]

yeah,but joker was once the ambassador of iran!!!!!!!!!

Get the **** outta here:eek: . How?!!?!

[trustyside-kick]

Get the **** outta here:eek: . How?!!?!

Read Death in the Family and you will find out.

[Silicon Surfer]

Half of the villans listed are Batman villans.:( How about Mongul or Krona or my favorite Mordru! Mordru terrifed the entire Legion.

[trustyside-kick]

He's got a point about it mainly being Batman's villains. :P

[Silicon Surfer]

And how about Mr. Mind who despite being only a worm managed to be one of the most dangerous opponents the original Captain Marvel ever had. Or Validus the only villan no hero ever defeated.

[Ibn]

Read Death in the Family and you will find out.


:thing: Um....... yeah....... I kinda asked that b/c I don't want to waste my money seeing as though I already know the ending? So can you just fill me in pls? Unless DITF is just that good that I should really invest in getting it.

[trustyside-kick]

You can download Batman comics. Download Bitlord. Then go to http://isohunt.com. When you search, search Torrents.

[Calendar Man]

He's got a point about it mainly being Batman's villains. :P

Yes..if you read the thread I admited already that I missed some important villians but I didn't forget an other section...so yeah.