The Catwoman Appreciation Thread.

[JustABill]

Believe it or not, there are actually people that like Catwoman (or CINO as the ones who dislike it call it), I am one on of them.

This thread is simple. It's a place for the ones who LIKED the film to discuss it. If you didn't like it, and you want to gripe/moan/complain.....DON'T.

[warren_sparta27]

what does CINO actually stand for?

[JustABill]

Catwoman in Name Only.

[warren_sparta27]

oh, ok gotcha ;)

[Manic]

Since this is an appreciation thread, I'll just get all of the "good" things I have to say about this movie out of the way...

Halle Berry is hot, and Alex Borstein has good comedic timing.

[Caliber]

I pity the fool who likes it.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I thought April Fools was over?

[Caliber]

I guess this joke is good enough to go on

[JustABill]

Alright. Ummm...can you guys read? I said if you didn't like the movie don't post here...it's simple.

I happen to like the movie. I also happen to like the comic book too, shocking yes. I know I'm in a minority, but even minorities need somewhere to discuss something and we should be able to do it in PEACE.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Alright. Ummm...can you guys read? I said if you didn't like the movie don't post here...it's simple.

I happen to like the movie. I also happen to like the comic book too, shocking yes. I know I'm in a minority, but even minorities need somewhere to discuss something and we should be able to do it in PEACE.

Uhhh I really didn't post anything negative I was just checking to see if this was a prank chill out.

[JustABill]

I wasn't talking about you necessarily Red. I was talking about Caliber mainly. Sorry, if I offended you.

[The Kid]

I liked this movie. **** anyone who jumped on the hate train right away.

Rosario for the sequel!!!

[RedIsNotBlue]

Well I can try and make a positive post.

I heard the the early script treatment for this movie was actually good and it just got completely altered down the line. Now I LOVED Michelle Pfeiffer's portrayal of Catwoman which could be PARTLY why I was disappointed with this movie. This is the closest to positive as I can get.

[CConn]

Uhh...I find Halle Berry's skin town appealing. :confused:

[dnno1]

Try using Google Desktop. It has a built-in spell checker for filling out forms.

[hippie_hunter]

Alright. Ummm...can you guys read? I said if you didn't like the movie don't post here...it's simple.

I happen to like the movie. I also happen to like the comic book too, shocking yes. I know I'm in a minority, but even minorities need somewhere to discuss something and we should be able to do it in PEACE.

Sorry thats not going to happen :o

[JackBauer]

still waiting for the punchline...

[Motown Marvel]

...

[shinlyle]

I should have known this thread was coming....it's been almost 4 months since the last "I'm an idiot and I think CatWOMAN ROXXORS PWNS u ALL" thread died out.

The movie sucked. You may like it despite the fact that it was the worst film since "Howard the Duck", but that doesn't change the fact that it sucks, and it flopped, and there will NEVER be a sequel.

Yes, if you liked the movie, then you have the right to express your opinion....although, the people who often express such opinions are the reason why certain countries oppress free speech, and it's imbeciles who think that films like "Catwoman" are great that give fascist dictators ammunition for aggressive takeovers of peaceful lands.

Anyways...this thread sucks, because the subject matter sucks. If you were really such a die-hard "Catwoman the Atrocity" enthusiast, you would have used that pea-sized brain of yours to revive one of the handful of troll-infested threads on the same-subject, instead of starting a new one to attract even more ridicule to an already mocked film.

I actually saved somethign for this thread, fromt he last thread that dealt with the EXACT SAME THING. Here's what I think of all who still ramble on about how great this failure of a film was:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/mutant_circus/beating-a-dead-horse.gif
(Special thanks to Devilgirl and MutantCircus for this image)


Have a nice day.

[Manic]

18 replies before someone got nasty about it. That sounds like a record.

[shinlyle]

18 replies before someone got nasty about it. That sounds like a record.

Well.....in all fairness, I hadn't checked the forum in a couple of days...:D

[JackBauer]

well, I wasn't as eloquent as shin, but I prefer a little more... finesse. :cool:

[GL1]

I enjoyed "Catwoman" with Halle Berry. Make no mistake, Catwoman was NOT a great movie. It was a bit below average honestly, combined with the devotion to the subject matter that comics fans have (which isn't much, but it's still there), this movie is GUARANTEED to have a horrid reputation around here...

Regardless, there were three things that I liked about Catwoman:

1) Halle Berry's body... pretty simple... it's fun to watch...

2) Capoeria... great fighting style put to great use in the film...

3) CGI climbing/jumping/running... yes they looked fake, but I still enjoyed it... the same way I enjoy cartoons --shrug--

Now while there is a laundry list of things I did NOT like about Catwoman, they did not detract from the things I did like...

Cliches -- the gay friend, the fat friend (superb comedienne), the police love interest who doesn't know... all of these of course have non cliched potential, but, honestly, it wasn't used... her supporting cast was pretty straightforward. Catwoman vs Ben Bratt should have been played up more.

Villains -- This was painful. They had a plot twist, but they gave it away WAY too early, it should have been saved for the climax, not the beginning of the third act. The villain herself, while again, a superb actress, was NOT even close to intimidating. Dear gosh... what can rubbergirl do to CATWOMAN, I mean... normal Catwoman, much less Super-Catwoman that Patience was... it's crazy. I mean, please, borrow a third rate Batman villain... the plot would have BEEN AWESOME for Clayface or Killer Croc both of whom would have been credible villains in a battle... I mean, even Charaxes or Firefly would have been welcome additions to this limp villany. Even Cat-Man could have at least highlighted the fight-the-male-dominance theory. This was, by far the biggest flaw in the film.

Plot -- Toxic Makeup. That gives powers. To be honest, I can't think of another episode of BTAS that's better fitted to be adapted to Catwoman (assuming of course, that we can't use Batman becuz of the Begins monster)... but can we at least give it as strong a finish? A villain we can related to... a tragedy we can feel... a power level that's worth watching a fight between? They should've kept Clayface in this plot, and left Sharon Stone as a powerless mastermind (who is only revealed to be the power behind the suddenly dead powerless mastermind at the end). That would have been much more compelling. There are better plots to be had (say one involving... cat burglary?), but small changes could've made it MUCH better.

Purring -- Eartha Kitt did it right... Michelle Pfeiffer did it right... Halle did not... whoever was directing kept the wrong takes...

Moral -- "Freedom IS Power." Ouch. Put that down next to: "Do you know what happens when a toad is struck by lightning?" It's like... Whaaa? Is this what I am to go and apply to my life? Are you serious? Women should be free to do whatever the heck they want, damn the consequences? This is your female empowerment? Madness... madness...

In short, too much inspiration for this movie was drawn from the 60s TV show (black Catwoman) and the cartoons (RenewU is addictive and gives us powers!) and not enough inspiration was taken from the comics (compelling characters, big fights, Batman Universe).

Things I'm indifferent to (some people hate them, but I honestly don't care... nor should I):

Patience Pierce Character. I read Batman comics, not Catwoman comics... Selina Kyle's cool, but without Bruce Wayne, I have zero interest in her.

Costume. Catwoman's costume changes pretty regularly. It had ears and a whip. No complaints from me.

All in all... a descent flick. Had shining parts, had surprises... had rough parts... don't buy the DVD, but it was definitely sit-through-able. Not the best, not the worst... just a weak, laughably corny and somewhat enjoyable movie.

[MutantCircus]

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[devilgirl]

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[jaguarr]

It's like the very end of Ferris Beuller:

You people are still here? It's over! Go home!

jag

[shinlyle]

It's like the very end of Ferris Beuller:

You people are still here? It's over! Go home!

jag

Nothing like a CINO-love thread to bring out the ol' gang, eh?

How you been, Jag?

[jaguarr]

Nothing like a CINO-love thread to bring out the ol' gang, eh?

How you been, Jag?

Still rockin', bro. Still rockin'. You? :up:

jag

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Far out. We don't piss people off because you all like Batman begin or whatever. Let fans or likers talk about it.

Alex borstein was cool :up: Sharon Stone and halle berry was hot.

The only things I didn't like were the story (ooh evil beauty cream! I'm REAL scared) and her helmet. I loved the visuals, characters (except Tom Lone, or how he was portrayed...stupid Ben Bratt), and the look of Catwoman...except the helmet.

It made me a fan :up:

[Mr. Socko]

Halle Berry is beautiful, I appreciate that.

[jaguarr]

Far out. We don't piss people off because you all like Batman begin or whatever. Let fans or likers talk about it.

Alex borstein was cool :up: Sharon Stone and halle berry was hot.

The only things I didn't like were the story (ooh evil beauty cream! I'm REAL scared) and her helmet. I loved the visuals, characters (except Tom Lone, or how he was portrayed...stupid Ben Bratt), and the look of Catwoman...except the helmet.

It made me a fan :up:

That's great. But all personal tastes aside, this movie was not about Catwoman in any way shape or form. Sorry.

jag

[PhotoJones]

That's great. But all personal tastes aside, this movie was not about Catwoman in any way shape or form. Sorry.

jag


agreed

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Oh, god no, but I like the duality story tat she loves Tom but she can't tell him he's Catwoman (of many Catwomen, another aspect I liked).

If they had worked on the script for a bit longer, and had a better story, I think it would have been better.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Catwoman remake wih Selina but set in the depression. No magic, no leather, just emotion rofl

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

whoopsie doo! double post!

[Hoban]

but I like the duality story tat she loves Tom but she can't tell him he's Catwoman
Yeah, because that's SOO original.:rolleyes:

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

it's not about if it's original or not, its just, especially in the sushi scene, you can see Halle debating in her mind whether she tells him or not, I liked that.

[JackBauer]

go back and watch the Spider-Man movies. at least they don't suck. not 100% at least...

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

I do, I like them equally. I honestly do no know why everone hates this besides the ****tacular story!

[shinlyle]

I do, I like them equally. I honestly do no know why everone hates this besides the ****tacular story!

Hmmm...probably because of the lame-ass costume (yes...the open-toed shoes are as stupid as the headgear), the lack of plot, the corny dialogue (cream...straight up), the lame villians (evil cosmetics moguls...muHAHAHAHA!!), the incredibly poor acting, the poor cgi, the horrible fight scenes, and the fact that it had about as much to do with any previous incarantion of the character as a jar of half-eaten, rotten, mayonaise.

I'd say that may be the reason everyone hates it. Just a guess. That, or maybe because it was the absolute worst comic film ever....out-stinking even Batman & Robin.

[shinlyle]

Still rockin', bro. Still rockin'. You? :up:

jag

Still keepin' on, man....that's about all I can do. :up:

[jaguarr]

Still keepin' on, man....that's about all I can do. :up:

When's your comic coming out?

jag

[Darthphere]

This thread makes God cry.

[JackBauer]

This thread makes God cry.

hell, it makes me cry... :(

[RedIsNotBlue]

This thread made Chuck Norris shed a tear.

[Darthphere]

This thread made Chuck Norris shed a tear.


Its what caused the tsunami.

[JackBauer]

f**k Chuck Norris, long live Bill Brasky. :o

[shinlyle]

When's your comic coming out?

jag

As soon as I can get it done! I'm almost through with the pencils, then it's onward to the inks and colors and letters....

Needless to say, if I can get a letterer and a colorist, it'll move a lot faster. Still, if it sucks, I guess I know who to blame....:o

[jaguarr]

As soon as I can get it done! I'm almost through with the pencils, then it's onward to the inks and colors and letters....

Needless to say, if I can get a letterer and a colorist, it'll move a lot faster. Still, if it sucks, I guess I know who to blame....:o

Nahhh, I'm sure it's going to be great, man! Keep me posted on it and let me know when it's out and how I can get ahold of a copy. :up:

Oh, yeah. To stay on topic, CINO sucks!

jag

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

This may sound weird...but it does.

But I'm a lover of bad movies so it's all okay.

[CConn]

Hmmm...probably because of the lame-ass costume (yes...the open-toed shoes are as stupid as the headgear), the lack of plot, the corny dialogue (cream...straight up), the lame villians (evil cosmetics moguls...muHAHAHAHA!!), the incredibly poor acting, the poor cgi, the horrible fight scenes, and the fact that it had about as much to do with any previous incarantion of the character as a jar of half-eaten, rotten, mayonaise.

I'd say that may be the reason everyone hates it. Just a guess. That, or maybe because it was the absolute worst comic film ever....out-stinking even Batman & Robin.http://img2.imagepile.net/images/53475083.jpg

[Spike_x1]

This thread makes my soul cry tears of stupid.

Why the hell are supporters still going on about CINO, supporting it even after its failure?

[dnno1]

Remember Star TreK? Remember Firefly? It was the support of their fans that eventually got the shows on film after being cancelled and (in the case of Star Trek) spinoff series and a franchise. Leave these people be and the same might happen to Catwoman.

[Darthphere]

Remember Star TreK? Remember Firefly? It was the support of their fans that eventually got the shows on film after being cancelled and (in the case of Star Trek) spinoff series and a franchise. Leave these people be and the same might happen to Catwoman.


Difference being those two shows were actually good.:confused:

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

WTF is that?

Am I right in thnking the Catwoman costume is better than that? Because it is :O

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

This thread makes my soul cry tears of stupid.

Why the hell are supporters still going on about CINO, supporting it even after its failure?

I...don't...know...I just feel a need to...:(:eek:

[jaguarr]

This may sound weird...but it does.

But I'm a lover of bad movies so it's all okay.

Actually, it's not. All the deserved fury over the completely unfaithful and blatant destruction of a beloved comic character for the sake of using the well known name in conjunction with a convoluted film aside, there has been an increasingly large amount of absolute crap being generated by Hollywood the last ten years or so. Rather than produce truly original content, they've become about putting together half-assed "comedy" versions of 70's TV shows, ripping off well known properties with bad interpretations geared solely towards making as much money as possible (CINO is a prime example of this as are the latest Pink Panther, Freaky Friday, Amityville Horror and Herbie installments), meaningless and needless sequels, and generating mindless drivel that is cheaply produced and shamelessly targeted at kids and their high level of disposable income. In short, it's become corporatized to absolute death. Sure, there are bright spots of creativity here and there, but the large majority of what gets released and pimped to high heaven in the name of raking in as much cash as possible for the studios is not only trash, but it's insulting to the intelligence level of audiences if not outright damaging to it on a collective level. The only thing we as consumers have to combat this trend is the voting power of our dollars. If people continue to reward Hollywood for their minimal efforts by paying to see this crap, they will continue to produce this crap. So, when people such as yourself say they love bad movies and continue to pay to see them, you become what is known in addiction circles as an "enabler". The trouble with "enablers" is that they contribute to the downfall of an addict (the movie industry) and EVERYONE AROUND THEM (the consumer) to the point where everybody suffers and no one truly reaches their potential. In short, we all get to wallow in mediocrity because people who should know better aren't more discerning with their dollars. Remember that the next time you go to the theater, please.

Cheers,
jag

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Though I read your post, and understand, I am allowed to see whatever movie I want, and like whatever movie I want. That's what everyones else does.

Everyone just ha personal tastes.

[jaguarr]

Based on your response I would have to say that no, you really don't fully understand.

jag

[Darthphere]

Though I read your post, and understand, I am allowed to see whatever movie I want, and like whatever movie I want. That's what everyones else does.

Everyone just ha personal tastes.


Just know, you have bad taste.


Are you waiting for a Catwoman remake written and directed Paul WS Anderson?

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

lol no.

Christopher Nolan maybe?

[dnno1]

Difference being those two shows were actually good.:confused:

If they were actually good then they would not have been canceled. Both STTOS and Firefly were canceled because of poor TV ratings. Star Trek gained popularity after nurturing a growing fanbase through syndication and the convention circuit. It now has a fanbase larger than the population of many third world countries. Firefly may experience the same effect, but only time will tell. The same could be said for Catwoman if given the chance.

[jaguarr]

If they were actually good then they would not have been canceled. Both STTOS and Firefly were canceled because of poor TV ratings. Star Trek gained popularity after nurturing a growing fanbase through syndication and the convention circuit. It now has a fanbase larger than the population of many third world countries. Firefly may experience the same effect, but only time will tell. The same could be said for Catwoman if given the chance.

Catwoman, maybe. CINO, no.

jag

[JackBauer]

Remember Star TreK? Remember Firefly? It was the support of their fans that eventually got the shows on film after being cancelled and (in the case of Star Trek) spinoff series and a franchise. Leave these people be and the same might happen to Catwoman.

except for the fact that they had a growing cult following. CINO has nothing but a handful of wackos crazy enough to think the movie was good, and that it deserved a sequel.

[JackBauer]

If they were actually good then they would not have been canceled. Both STTOS and Firefly were canceled because of poor TV ratings. Star Trek gained popularity after nurturing a growing fanbase through syndication and the convention circuit. It now has a fanbase larger than the population of many third world countries. Firefly may experience the same effect, but only time will tell. The same could be said for Catwoman if given the chance.

that is pure unadulterated bulls#|t and you know it. if your line of thinking were correct, The Swan would be a better show than John Doe, Firefly and Wonderfalls because it lasted longer... :rolleyes:

[shinlyle]

If they were actually good then they would not have been canceled. Both STTOS and Firefly were canceled because of poor TV ratings. Star Trek gained popularity after nurturing a growing fanbase through syndication and the convention circuit. It now has a fanbase larger than the population of many third world countries. Firefly may experience the same effect, but only time will tell. The same could be said for Catwoman if given the chance.

Yeah.....right. Drugs are bad. You know that right?

People may like this movie....although they are VERY few and far between...and few of them admit it out of shame. That's not a loyal and dedicated fanbase.

Also, Just because a few people buy and watch the DVD means nothing. People go to cons and buy bootlegs of the following as well:
1) Justice League (live-action) pilot
2) Birds of Prey
3) Fantastic Four (the Roger Corman version)
4) Nick Fury

Does that mean that we'll see a rebirth of any of these? No. Why? They sucked...that's why. The studios had no faith in them, the fans hated them, and they were left to die in celluloid limbo.

Just.
Like.
CINO.

[blksuperman2]

http://www.photohost.org/gallery/data/500/1603Catwomen.jpg

I'm not a big fan of either versions but I drew this a couple weeks ago. Still not completely finished though.

[dnno1]

Yeah.....right. Drugs are bad. You know that right?

People may like this movie....although they are VERY few and far between...and few of them admit it out of shame. That's not a loyal and dedicated fanbase.

Also, Just because a few people buy and watch the DVD means nothing. People go to cons and buy bootlegs of the following as well:
1) Justice League (live-action) pilot
2) Birds of Prey
3) Fantastic Four (the Roger Corman version)
4) Nick Fury

Does that mean that we'll see a rebirth of any of these? No. Why? They sucked...that's why. The studios had no faith in them, the fans hated them, and they were left to die in celluloid limbo.

Just.
Like.
CINO.

In actuality, you can't say no since it is only time that will tell their fate (I actually thought Birds of Prey was pretty good and getting better by the final episodes). Furthermore a loyal and deidcated fan would support a genere or character regardless of the outcome or situation. Take for example, the NFL Carolina Panters. In 1998 and 2001 they had loosing seasons, but they still had (true) fans who came out and supported them. Now look at them (NFC South co-champions). Just give it time and don't ridicule the true fans and you will probably see a remake like Fantastic Four (2005) or Justice League (The Animated Series) or Ultimate Avengers (staring Nick Fury).

[jaguarr]

Furthermore a loyal and deidcated fan would support a genere or character regardless of the outcome or situation.

A loyal and dedicated fan wouldn't stand for the blatant raping of one of their favorite, well known characters by some unknown French softcore porn director who took a bastardized script that had been through the hands of countless writers and had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with that character other than the name, which was obviously being appropriated purely for marketing purposes.

jag

[dnno1]

A loyal and dedicated fan wouldn't stand for the blatant raping of one of their favorite, well known characters by some unknown French softcore porn director who took a bastardized script that had been through the hands of countless writers and had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with that character other than the name, which was obviously being appropriated purely for marketing purposes.

jag

That's not a die-hard loyal fan. Those are the kind that will sink or swim with their addiction regardless of whether it right or wrong, loosing or winning, et. al. (ala BoSox fans and staunch Republicans). The person you described would be a causal fan at best.

[jaguarr]

That's not a die-hard loyal fan. Those are the kind that will sink or swim with their addiction regardless of whether it right or wrong, loosing or winning, et. al. (ala BoSox fans and staunch Republicans). The person you described would be a causal fan at best.

But someone who would support a complete bastardization of their favorite character like was done to Catwoman by this abomination of a movie is a die-hard loyal fan? You're high.

jag

[Super_Ludacris]

Uhm I guess she looked hot, that's all I can say about

[shinlyle]

In actuality, you can't say no since it is only time that will tell their fate (I actually thought Birds of Prey was pretty good and getting better by the final episodes). Furthermore a loyal and deidcated fan would support a genere or character regardless of the outcome or situation. Take for example, the NFL Carolina Panters. In 1998 and 2001 they had loosing seasons, but they still had (true) fans who came out and supported them. Now look at them (NFC South co-champions). Just give it time and don't ridicule the true fans and you will probably see a remake like Fantastic Four (2005) or Justice League (The Animated Series) or Ultimate Avengers (staring Nick Fury).

Your argument really fell apart at the end. Fantastic Four wasn't a remake of the first failed attempt. It was a completely different movie. The Justice League cartoon wasn't a remake of the show, it was a totally different show. Ultimate Avengers has about as much to do with the Nick Fury movie as CINO does with Catwoman.

You want a remake of this film? Fine....it'll be nothing like CINO, seeing as how CINO was a box office and critical FLOP.

Also, as Jag said, the die-hard fans are the ones who support the CHARACTER of CATWOMAN who has been around for over 60 years...not the ones who support a failed attempt to cash in on the superhero movie trend.

Lesson ended.

Time will tell you one thing....this film sucked. Everyone knows it...every critic, every actor, every moviegoer....everyone. Let it go. You like a horrible movie....that's all there is to it.

[dnno1]

But someone who would support a complete bastardization of their favorite character like was done to Catwoman by this abomination of a movie is a die-hard loyal fan? You're high.

jag

I really can not consider myself a die-hard fan because I do not collect the comic, but I can say that I am aware of the character, I did see the film, and that your example of a die-hard fan is not a good example at all.

[jaguarr]

I really can not consider myself a die-hard fan because I do not collect the comic, but I can say that I am aware of the character, I did see the film, and that your example of a die-hard fan is not a good example at all.

I'm sorry, but I think you and I have very different ideas about what makes a die-hard fan, then.

jag

[dnno1]

Your argument really fell apart at the end. Fantastic Four wasn't a remake of the first failed attempt. It was a completely different movie. The Justice League cartoon wasn't a remake of the show, it was a totally different show. Ultimate Avengers has about as much to do with the Nick Fury movie as CINO does with Catwoman.

You want a remake of this film? Fine....it'll be nothing like CINO, seeing as how CINO was a box office and critical FLOP.

Also, as Jag said, the die-hard fans are the ones who support the CHARACTER of CATWOMAN who has been around for over 60 years...not the ones who support a failed attempt to cash in on the superhero movie trend.

Lesson ended.

Time will tell you one thing....this film sucked. Everyone knows it...every critic, every actor, every moviegoer....everyone. Let it go. You like a horrible movie....that's all there is to it.

:confused:

Last I checked the story lines kept closely to the source material in both (FF) films. The origins were the same (they got their powers from a cosmic storm), their costumes were blue. The only difference to me was that they were able to exploit the state of the art SFX technology in the 2005 version. Ben Grim even lost his powers temporarily in both pictures. I can not see how the Jusice League live action TV pilot versus the Animated Series were a totally different shows since it was about the Justice League (that didn't change), they had JL characters and their powers were the same. Granted the costumes were different, but the characters and story lines in both shows kept closely to the source material available at the time. Finally, the Nick Fury character plays a major role in Ultimate Avengers since he was the one who formed the team. I can not see how you can say he had nothing to do with the show.

I don't know how many times I will have to say it, but die-hard and loyal fans will follow their idols regarless of what changes they may go through. They don't just give up on them or let it go like you and others (you people are not real fanatics).

[jaguarr]

I don't know how many times I will have to say it, but die-hard and loyal fans will follow their idols regarless of what changes they may go through. They don't just give up on them or let it go like you and others (you people are not real fanatics).

See, that's the different working definition of what constitutes a die-hard fan that i was talking about. I believe differently. My view is that die-hard fans of a character will support an attempt to transfer it to a different medium as long as it stays true to the spirit and origins of the original that they love so much. And, even then, they will be critical of anything that is changed. Witness the people who to this day still cry foul over the fact that Spider-Man has organic webshooters in the films. THOSE are die-hard fans. CINO is not Catwoman in any way shape or form. She's a completely different character that was invented for the film that they slapped the Catwoman name on. If it was going to be a Catwoman movie, it should have actually been about Catwoman. Die-hard Catwoman fans decried this film long before it ever got released because of this. There was no giving up on the character on their part. They rallied and supported the actual Catwoman character to the bitter end and tore this film creation apart because it bastardized everything they loved about the Catwoman name. And it didn't even do it WELL, either. The people that hate this film are usually very much die-hard fans of Catwoman.

jag

[JackBauer]

:confused:

Last I checked the story lines kept closely to the source material in both (FF) films. The origins were the same (they got their powers from a cosmic storm), their costumes were blue. The only difference to me was that they were able to exploit the state of the art SFX technology in the 2005 version. Ben Grim even lost his powers temporarily in both pictures. I can not see how the Jusice League live action TV pilot versus the Animated Series were a totally different shows since it was about the Justice League (that didn't change), they had JL characters and their powers were the same. Granted the costumes were different, but the characters and story lines in both shows kept closely to the source material available at the time. Finally, the Nick Fury character plays a major role in Ultimate Avengers since he was the one who formed the team. I can not see how you can say he had nothing to do with the show.

I don't know how many times I will have to say it, but die-hard and loyal fans will follow their idols regarless of what changes they may go through. They don't just give up on them or let it go like you and others (you people are not real fanatics).

that right there, all of it, is proof enough that you don't know what the hell you're talking about...

[Mr Sensitive]

:confused:

Last I checked the story lines kept closely to the source material in both (FF) films. The origins were the same (they got their powers from a cosmic storm), their costumes were blue. The only difference to me was that they were able to exploit the state of the art SFX technology in the 2005 version. Ben Grim even lost his powers temporarily in both pictures.

Man, cosmic rays and blue outfits DON'T mean loyalty to the source material. The FF was almost totally screwed up in the movie.

Reed is dumb and incapable of leadership, and not the scientific genius that anticipates the moves of his enemies; Susan is a "scientist" who emphasizes all the time her "mom" side, and not the smart and self-assured woman of the comics; the love triangle between DINO and Susan and Reed; the group only produces onliners or easy gags and "family situations".

Jeez.

The only thing they got right was the Torch/Thing relationship, and because the actors nailed their roles.

By the way, about CINO, the only good thing: it had Sharon Stone. And even so...

[Spike_x1]

I don't know how many times I will have to say it, but die-hard and loyal fans will follow their idols regarless of what changes they may go through. They don't just give up on them or let it go like you and others (you people are not real fanatics).So, by your definition of a die-hard fan, if a Superman movie were made wherein Clark Kent was a fuzzy 80 year old midget who hopped around while dressed in a garbage bag and had a completely new set of powers, I should still eat it up because the producers slap the name "Superman" on it? Even though it obviously has nothing at all to do with the character?

:confused:

[JackBauer]

So, by your definition of a die-hard fan, if a Superman movie were made wherein Clark Kent was a fuzzy 80 year old midget who hopped around while dressed in a garbage bag and had a completely new set of powers, I should still eat it up because the producers slap the name "Superman" on it? Even though it obviously has nothing at all to do with the character?

:confused:

yep. apparently you're not a fan if you don't. if someone anywhere ever manages to understand this moronic "logic", please let me know.

[jaguarr]

yep. apparently you're not a fan if you don't. if someone anywhere ever manages to understand this moronic "logic", please let me know.

It's called "Bizarro Logic" and we saw a hell of a lot of it during the days of the CINO forums.

jag

[nite-owl]

This probably a bit late but

http://www.picpop.com/gallery/albums/userpics/0822/batman.jpg

[dnno1]

See, that's the different working definition of what constitutes a die-hard fan that i was talking about. I believe differently. My view is that die-hard fans of a character will support an attempt to transfer it to a different medium as long as it stays true to the spirit and origins of the original that they love so much. And, even then, they will be critical of anything that is changed. Witness the people who to this day still cry foul over the fact that Spider-Man has organic webshooters in the films. THOSE are die-hard fans. CINO is not Catwoman in any way shape or form. She's a completely different character that was invented for the film that they slapped the Catwoman name on. If it was going to be a Catwoman movie, it should have actually been about Catwoman. Die-hard Catwoman fans decried this film long before it ever got released because of this. There was no giving up on the character on their part. They rallied and supported the actual Catwoman character to the bitter end and tore this film creation apart because it bastardized everything they loved about the Catwoman name. And it didn't even do it WELL, either. The people that hate this film are usually very much die-hard fans of Catwoman.

jag

Certainly fans do complain and disagree with the direction the powers that be have taken their icon. But a true "die-hard" fanatic would not give up on their addiction because of that. Why else do you call them "die-hard". Furthermore threatening or inciting others to boycott a film with out a true moral reason is out and out irresposible! Deviating from the source material is not immoral and is the rite of the film makers. I think that you people should learn to respect that right and stop complaining and chastising others who do.

[dnno1]

Man, cosmic rays and blue outfits DON'T mean loyalty to the source material. The FF was almost totally screwed up in the movie.

Reed is dumb and incapable of leadership, and not the scientific genius that anticipates the moves of his enemies; Susan is a "scientist" who emphasizes all the time her "mom" side, and not the smart and self-assured woman of the comics; the love triangle between DINO and Susan and Reed; the group only produces onliners or easy gags and "family situations".

Jeez.

The only thing they got right was the Torch/Thing relationship, and because the actors nailed their roles.

By the way, about CINO, the only good thing: it had Sharon Stone. And even so...

Look, I really don't want to get into an argument about Fantastic Four on this thread because it is not pertinent to the subject matter here. Suffice it to say that Fantatstic Four (2005), in spite of your opinion on it, made money and was a better film than Fantastic Four (1994). As it turns the 1994 version of the film was never intended to be released (http://imdb.com/title/tt0109770/trivia) and was a poorly made film (compared to todays quality standards). In spite of that, a remake of the filme was still made albeit 11 years later, so you can never say never (or only time will tell), which is my point here.

[dnno1]

So, by your definition of a die-hard fan, if a Superman movie were made wherein Clark Kent was a fuzzy 80 year old midget who hopped around while dressed in a garbage bag and had a completely new set of powers, I should still eat it up because the producers slap the name "Superman" on it? Even though it obviously has nothing at all to do with the character?

:confused:

No, a die-hard fan would never give up on the hopes of another Superman film being made. Oh, and by the way, introduce red kryptonite and your suggestion could be a possible plot-line in a Superman script.

[shinlyle]

:confused:

Last I checked the story lines kept closely to the source material in both (FF) films. The origins were the same (they got their powers from a cosmic storm), their costumes were blue. The only difference to me was that they were able to exploit the state of the art SFX technology in the 2005 version. Ben Grim even lost his powers temporarily in both pictures. I can not see how the Jusice League live action TV pilot versus the Animated Series were a totally different shows since it was about the Justice League (that didn't change), they had JL characters and their powers were the same. Granted the costumes were different, but the characters and story lines in both shows kept closely to the source material available at the time. Finally, the Nick Fury character plays a major role in Ultimate Avengers since he was the one who formed the team. I can not see how you can say he had nothing to do with the show.


You are stupid. I hate to resort to petty insults, but I can think of no other word to desribe you.

The new FF film wasn't that great, but the story was leap and bounds above the Roger Corman version. It was a totally different story. Also, the special effects in the old oen involved a big cardboard hand on a stick..literally. They were two totally different films. Also, the only reason they were similar was because they were both loosely based on the same freakin' comic book....something the director of CINO scoffed at fromt he beginning in various interviews.

The Justive League pilot it totally different from the animated series in every respect. To think otherwise is completely stupid. They share a name. That is all. They hardly have any characters in common, they face different villians, one is ANIMATED whereas one is LIVE-ACTION, one has a totally different premise to it than the other...are you that desperate to rally support for a film that failed almost 2 years ago that you are comparing one of the coolest superhero cartoons to the worst live-action pilot ever?! Get a clue.

The Nick Fury movie had NOTHING to do with the Avengers. Also, he was a super-spy in the movie...in the cartoon, he was merely the leader of a covert organization that was given funding to form a super-powered team to protect the world. Once again...Nick Fury was black in the cartoon whereas he was white in the live-action version, the movie had nothing to do with superheroes, whereas the cartoon was all about superheroes, and the plots were totally different. Once again, you've porven yourself rather ignorant.

I mean, did you even watch anythign OTHER than CINO? You can't have watched any of the things we are discussing and recall this few details about it. No one has that little recollection of anything.

I don't know how many times I will have to say it, but die-hard and loyal fans will follow their idols regarless of what changes they may go through. They don't just give up on them or let it go like you and others (you people are not real fanatics).

REAL fanatics?! If you were a real "Catwoman fanatic", then you would know more about her origins in the comics aside from her affinity for Cats and tight outfits. You seem to be a die-hard fan of Halle Berry's "assets", and that's about it. There's nothing wrong with that, but that doesn't make you a Catwoman fanatic. You know about as much about the history of Catwoman (you know, the character the film was supposed to be about) as you seem to know about any of the other things you've pretended to know about in your asanine posts: NOTHING.

Also, changing a character means that there are MINOR alterations to the character while maintaining the same basic character....changing the name, origin, costume, base of operations, supporting cast, and overall behavior of the character is far beyond "changing" the existing character of Catwoman. It's making a completely new character.

Now, unless you have any points that may actually be valid in regards to the previous subject matter, then I suugest you look for anohter argument, lest others begin to think you simply like being made to look foolish.

If you like this movie, fine. Good for you. We all have our vices...but don't expect to change anyone's opinions of it by misrepresenting facts the way you do.

[shinlyle]

Certainly fans do complain and disagree with the direction the powers that be have taken their icon. But a true "die-hard" fanatic would not give up on their addiction because of that. Why else do you call them "die-hard". Furthermore threatening or inciting others to boycott a film with out a true moral reason is out and out irresposible! Deviating from the source material is not immoral and is the rite of the film makers. I think that you people should learn to respect that right and stop complaining and chastising others who do.

So...if Spider-Man had been a movie about a spider who gets bitten by a radioactive Man, and then gorws to become part man, part spider, then people should accept it because they like Spdier-Man?

You're retarded.

[jaguarr]

Certainly fans do complain and disagree with the direction the powers that be have taken their icon. But a true "die-hard" fanatic would not give up on their addiction because of that. Why else do you call them "die-hard". Furthermore threatening or inciting others to boycott a film with out a true moral reason is out and out irresposible! Deviating from the source material is not immoral and is the rite of the film makers. I think that you people should learn to respect that right and stop complaining and chastising others who do.

Did you read any of what I wrote? At all? If you did, then absolutely none of it registered for you in any way, shape or form. None of what you wrote above is logical and reads like it was written by someone who was brainwashed by the movie studios themselves. I'm sorry that you are willing to settle for whatever Hollywood tells you is "good" and will mindlessly hand your money over to anyone who makes a movie. I think I'll continue to be a little more discerning and be a little more willing to stick up for my favorite characters when they are completely bastardized by the Hollywood Money Machine. I'll cry foul as loud and as hard as I want and illustrate in graphic detail why I am appalled and why it is wrong, and I'll vote with my dollars and encourage everyone else to do the same. And I'll stomp anyone who gets in my way or has a problem with that into dust, which they'll deserve for being so willing to support absolute crap as a form of entertainment.

Cheers,
jag

[Mr Sensitive]

Look, I really don't want to get into an argument about Fantastic Four on this thread because it is not pertinent to the subject matter here. Suffice it to say that Fantatstic Four (2005), in spite of your opinion on it, made money and was a better film than Fantastic Four (1994).

Repeating for the N time: MAKING MONEY DOESN'T MEAN IT WAS OF GOOD QUALITY.

In spite of making money, it was, simply, a bad movie.

[JackBauer]

It's called "Bizarro Logic" and we saw a hell of a lot of it during the days of the CINO forums.

jag

yup, reminds me of royisback and ToolCat... haven't thought about those two in ages.

[Darthphere]

Repeating for the N time: MAKING MONEY DOESN'T MEAN IT WAS OF GOOD QUALITY.

In spite of making money, it was, simply, a bad movie.


Hes the same guy who thinks shows get cancelled because they get bad ratings and that equals that they suck, which is not the case most of the time.

[jaguarr]

yup, reminds me of royisback and ToolCat... haven't thought about those two in ages.

He's more like ToolCat with the Bizarro Logic. roy would just show up and go "This is the best movie, ever. Everyone should see it twice! Halle is HAWT!!!". Man I hated that guy and all 437 of his usernames that ALL had the name "roy" in them, somehow.

jag

[JackBauer]

He's more like ToolCat with the Bizarro Logic. roy would just show up and go "This is the best movie, ever. Everyone should see it twice! Halle is HAWT!!!". Man I hated that guy and all 437 of his usernames that ALL had the name "roy" in them, somehow.

jag

hehe, true... roy was a little too obvious. Tool, like our new "friend" here, did seem to be THAT stupid. from what I recall, at least.

[JackBauer]

Hes the same guy who thinks shows get cancelled because they get bad ratings and that equals that they suck, which is not the case most of the time.

somehow, that makes sense to him. I'm still not getting it. :confused:

[Darthphere]

somehow, that makes sense to him. I'm still not getting it. :confused:


Me neither.:confused:

[jaguarr]

Me neither.:confused:

It's Bizarro Logic. If you understood it, we'd have to take you out behind the barn and shoot you.

jag

[shinlyle]

Did you read any of what I wrote? At all? If you did, then absolutely none of it registered for you in any way, shape or form. None of what you wrote above is logical and reads like it was written by someone who was brainwashed by the movie studios themselves. I'm sorry that you are willing to settle for whatever Hollywood tells you is "good" and will mindlessly hand your money over to anyone who makes a movie. I think I'll continue to be a little more discerning and be a little more willing to stick up for my favorite characters when they are completely bastardized by the Hollywood Money Machine. I'll cry foul as loud and as hard as I want and illustrate in graphic detail why I am appalled and why it is wrong, and I'll vote with my dollars and encourage everyone else to do the same. And I'll stomp anyone who gets in my way or has a problem with that into dust, which they'll deserve for being so willing to support absolute crap as a form of entertainment.

Cheers,
jag

Well said.

Also, it's obvious that he only reads the first sentence of each post, and then argues. He may well be as dumb as ToolCat. Notice how things like "logic" and "reason" seem to escape him?

I'm waiting for one of us to tell him that the sky is blue, and for him to argue that it isn't blue because we're just not fanatics enough about the sky being red, so we're wrong.

Ugh....just trying to think of his next response gives me a headache.

[dnno1]

Did you read any of what I wrote? At all? If you did, then absolutely none of it registered for you in any way, shape or form. None of what you wrote above is logical and reads like it was written by someone who was brainwashed by the movie studios themselves. I'm sorry that you are willing to settle for whatever Hollywood tells you is "good" and will mindlessly hand your money over to anyone who makes a movie. I think I'll continue to be a little more discerning and be a little more willing to stick up for my favorite characters when they are completely bastardized by the Hollywood Money Machine. I'll cry foul as loud and as hard as I want and illustrate in graphic detail why I am appalled and why it is wrong, and I'll vote with my dollars and encourage everyone else to do the same. And I'll stomp anyone who gets in my way or has a problem with that into dust, which they'll deserve for being so willing to support absolute crap as a form of entertainment.

Cheers,
jag

Sure I did. Look I did not agree with the fact that they tried to reinvent Superman back in the late 1990's by trasforming him into an electromagnetic being, but I still bought the comic. Why? Because I am an Superman fan and I knew that storyline wouldn't last. Certainly you are free to either buy or not buy something if you do not like it, but the idea of stomping on people who apreciate it (that something) and preceiving that they are in your way is totally wrong. The better alternative is to not participate in this discussion.

[jaguarr]

Sure I did. Look I did not agree with the fact that they tried to reinvent Superman back in the late 1990's by trasforming him into an electromagnetic being, but I still bought the comic. Why? Because I am an Superman fan and I knew that storyline wouldn't last. Certainly you are free to either buy or not buy something if you do not like it, but the idea of stomping on people who apreciate it (that something) and preceiving that they are in your way is totally wrong. The better alternative it to not participate in this discussion.

I'll tell you what. When you can successfully convince me and the other folks here that CINO had ANYTHING to do with the character of Catwoman that has been published by DC Comics for many decades other than the name that they gave her, then I'll stop debating this. But, as it stands, CINO was not Catwoman in any way, shape or form. Period. It shouldn't have been called Catwoman. If it hadn't, I probably wouldn't care what the hell they did with their little movie. Why? Because I am a Catwoman fan and they shat all over the character that I know and love with that film. It had NOTHING to do with Catwoman but the name. CINO is NOT Catwoman. CINO is NOT Catwoman. Say it with me, because I don't think you're getting that point. CINO is NOT Catwoman. It was absolute crap in cinematic terms, all bastardization of supposed source material aside. Even the people that support it know that it was crap. It is indefensible. Terrible writing. Terrible dialogue. Terrible CGI. Terrible direction. Convoluted costuming. Awful acting. Horrid plotlines that went nowhere and obviously reflected that they'd been tweaked by countless writers. Cheap production values. Endless bull**** in the media prior to it's release expounding the virtues of it's message of "female empowerment" that turned out to be sorely lacking from the film upon release. It was simply a cheap excuse to have Halle Berry parade around in skintight leather and try to act like a sex vixen (which came off contrived and laughable). Even the film's star won a Razzie and showed up in person to accept it and own up to how bad the film was. The people that made it deserved every ounce of stomping that they got, and so do the people who mindlessly support it. The real crime is that the actual character of Catwoman is such a viable property with a rich history and countless storylines that would have transitioned so well to the big screen. The fans lost out on probably ever seeing the real Catwoman in her own film thanks to this garbage.

You've made it abundantly clear that you are not a Catwoman fan and that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the character. The film you love is not about Catwoman. Period. Quit trying to defend it as such.

jag

[shinlyle]

Sure I did. Look I did not agree with the fact that they tried to reinvent Superman back in the late 1990's by trasforming him into an electromagnetic being, but I still bought the comic. Why? Because I am an Superman fan and I knew that storyline wouldn't last. Certainly you are free to either buy or not buy something if you do not like it, but the idea of stomping on people who apreciate it (that something) and preceiving that they are in your way is totally wrong. The better alternative is to not participate in this discussion.

Wow....do you even hear yourself?! "I bought the Electromagnetic Superman stuff because I like Superman"...?!?!

WOW. I'll bet you own all of the Clone Saga, The Byrne/Mackie Run "The Other", and "Sins Past" too, if you're a Spider-Man fan, huh?

Dude...if you're dumb enough to buy whatever the hell had the label of a certain character on it despite the contents contained within, then you deserve every bit of flaming bitterness sent in your direction.

So....If I take a dump in a box with a Superman logo on it, will you buy it for the suggested retail price of 19.99? Why not? You paid that much for the CINO DVD (which is now available for 5.99-7.99...HA!), and it is essentially the same thing. It's a piece of crap with "Catwoman" written on the box. Oh...wait, that doesn't explain why you watched it, because you already said you never read the comic!

So...what brought you to go see this movie? I'll bet you saw Halle Berry in a scantily-clad (and utterly ridiculous) costume and said:
"AWESOME! HaLLe izz HAWT!! This is TeH ROXXORS!!! BesTEst MooFFEE Effer!!!LOLROTL LMAO!!"

Sound familiar? I'll bet it does.

[shinlyle]

I'll tell you what. When you can successfully convince me and the other folks here that CINO had ANYTHING to do with the character of Catwoman that has been published by DC Comics for many decades other than the name that they gave her, then I'll stop debating this. But, as it stands, CINO was not Catwoman in any way, shape or form. Period. It shouldn't have been called Catwoman. If it hadn't, I probably wouldn't care what the hell they did with their little movie. Why? Because I am a Catwoman fan and they shat all over the character that I know and love with that film. It had NOTHING to do with Catwoman but the name. CINO is NOT Catwoman. CINO is NOT Catwoman. Say it with me, because I don't think you're getting that point. CINO is NOT Catwoman. It was absolute crap in cinematic terms, all bastardization of supposed source material aside. Even the people that support it know that it was crap. It is indefensible. Terrible writing. Terrible dialogue. Terrible CGI. Terrible direction. Convoluted costuming. Awful acting. Horrid plotlines that went nowhere and obviously reflected that they'd been tweaked by countless writers. Cheap production values. Endless bull**** in the media prior to it's release expounding the virtues of it's message of "female empowerment" that turned out to be sorely lacking from the film upon release. It was simply a cheap excuse to have Halle Berry parade around in skintight leather and try to act like a sex vixen (which came off contrived and laughable). Even the film's star won a Razzie and showed up in person to accept it and own up to how bad the film was. The people that made it deserved every ounce of stomping that they got, and so do the people who mindlessly support it. The real crime is that the actual character of Catwoman is such a viable property with a rich history and countless storylines that would have transitioned so well to the big screen. The fans lost out on probably ever seeing the real Catwoman in her own film thanks to this garbage.

You've made it abundantly clear that you are not a Catwoman fan and that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the character. The film you love is not about Catwoman. Period. Quit trying to defend it as such.

jag

What he said! :up:

Well put, Jag...and far more articulate than my repeated mocking of his obvious immaturity.

[dnno1]

You are stupid. I hate to resort to petty insults, but I can think of no other word to desribe you.

The new FF film wasn't that great, but the story was leap and bounds above the Roger Corman version. It was a totally different story. Also, the special effects in the old oen involved a big cardboard hand on a stick..literally. They were two totally different films. Also, the only reason they were similar was because they were both loosely based on the same freakin' comic book....something the director of CINO scoffed at fromt he beginning in various interviews.
Your use of the word totally is misleading. When you say totally different, it means that there are no similarities at all, but you then agree tht they were similar because they were based on the source material (the comic book). That is a contradiction. I don't think I am stupid here.

The Justive League pilot it totally different from the animated series in every respect. To think otherwise is completely stupid. They share a name. That is all. They hardly have any characters in common, they face different villians, one is ANIMATED whereas one is LIVE-ACTION, one has a totally different premise to it than the other...are you that desperate to rally support for a film that failed almost 2 years ago that you are comparing one of the coolest superhero cartoons to the worst live-action pilot ever?! Get a clue.
Both shows included characters like the Flash, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, and the Atom, whos powers were the same. I do not know what your are talking about here. Here is a clue for you: Stop using the word totally (and for that matter stupid).

The Nick Fury movie had NOTHING to do with the Avengers. Also, he was a super-spy in the movie...in the cartoon, he was merely the leader of a covert organization that was given funding to form a super-powered team to protect the world. Once again...Nick Fury was black in the cartoon whereas he was white in the live-action version, the movie had nothing to do with superheroes, whereas the cartoon was all about superheroes, and the plots were totally different. Once again, you've porven yourself rather ignorant.
My point here is even though these characters were in films that were considered bombs, they still re-emerged in other films or TV shows. This was in response to your comment about "letting it die". Even though the character was of a different race in both films, it is the same Nick Fury character (notice the eye patch). Your're the one who is ingoring the facts here.

I mean, did you even watch anythign OTHER than CINO? You can't have watched any of the things we are discussing and recall this few details about it. No one has that little recollection of anything.
Of course I have. Don't be silly (actuall your statement is pointless).

REAL fanatics?! If you were a real "Catwoman fanatic", then you would know more about her origins in the comics aside from her affinity for Cats and tight outfits. You seem to be a die-hard fan of Halle Berry's "assets", and that's about it. There's nothing wrong with that, but that doesn't make you a Catwoman fanatic. You know about as much about the history of Catwoman (you know, the character the film was supposed to be about) as you seem to know about any of the other things you've pretended to know about in your asanine posts: NOTHING.
I think I mentioned the the fact that I was not a real die-hard Catwoman fan back in post #73 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8408696&postcount=73) although I do know about the origins of the character. I have never made any comments about Berry's so called "assets" but you certainly have. Maybe it is you that has the fetish for her and you won't admit it (at least not like you have about lap dancers at strip clubs like you have at other boards).

Also, changing a character means that there are MINOR alterations to the character while maintaining the same basic character....changing the name, origin, costume, base of operations, supporting cast, and overall behavior of the character is far beyond "changing" the existing character of Catwoman. It's making a completely new character.
Who said that? Be it minor or major, a change is a change and it happens all the time in both the comics and in film. Reinventing a character is nothing new either (take for instance Hawkgirl or Captain Atom). I can't argue the fact that the Pitof/Rebeck version was not an entirely new charcater because in the DVD they admit that it intentionally was. You just have to accept it or don't, but you shouldn't criticise or berate anyone who does since it it violates this freedom of expression.

[shinlyle]

Your use of the word totally is misleading. When you say totally different, it means that there are no similarities at all, but you then agree tht they were similar because they were based on the source material (the comic book). That is a contradiction. I don't think I am stupid here.

Are you totally freakin' stupid? Just because two things are based on the same source material doesn't make them the same! You CAN'T really be this stupid...can you? Catwoman from Batman Returns and CINO have nothing in common, yet they were both inspired(or at least took the name of) the source character. Try thinking before you post...it would truly benefit everyone.

Both shows included characters like the Flash, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, and the Atom, whos powers were the same. I do not know what your are talking about here. Here is a clue for you: Stop using the word totally (and for that matter stupid).

You are totally stupid. How's that? If you ever even saw the pilot about which you speak, and you watched the animated series, then you'd know that it is missing the three MAIN characters of the DC Universe: Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. That alone changes the entire dynamic of the show, as they are the main characters on the team, and the most easily recognizable icons from the DC universe, which you clearly know nothing about, judging from your complete lack of knowledge thereof.


My point here is even though these characters were in films that were considered bombs, they still re-emerged in other films or TV shows. This was in response to your comment about "letting it die". Even though the character was of a different race in both films, it is the same Nick Fury character (notice the eye patch). Your're the one who is ingoring the facts here.[/b]

You are more stupid than I originally believed. The two Nick Furys were inspired by two polar opposite characters, moron. The Movie version was inspired by the regular Marvel Comics version, whereas the Ultimate Avengers version was inspired by the Ultimate Universe variation. They. Are. Two. Different. Characters. An eye patch doesn't make one character the same as another. The two Nick Furys have an eye patch in common....whoopdee doo. Next, you'll tell me that "One-eye Willy" from the "Goonies" movie was an incarnation of Nick Fury. Nit-wit.


[quote]Of course I have. Don't be silly (actuall your statement is pointless).

Pointless....that's a good way of describing your posts....I like that. :up:

I think I mentioned the the fact that I was not a real die-hard Catwoman fan back in post #73 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8408696&postcount=73) although I do know about the origins of the character. I have never made any comments about Berry's so called "assets" but you certainly have. Maybe it is you that has the fetish for her and you won't admit it (at least not like you have about lap dancers at strip clubs like you have at other boards).

Ah....so the truth comes out! You're a bitter troll from another mesage board that I verbally b****-slapped sometime ago...and you still haven't gotten over it. Spreading lies about me....I personally think you should go to a strip club or two....then MAYBE you won't have to watch terrible films just to see some PG-13 3/4 breast shots, huh? Then again, I suppose you aren't old enough to get into one yet, are you? :D


Who said that? Be it minor or major, a change is a change and it happens all the time in both the comics and in film. Reinventing a character is nothing new either (take for instance Hawkgirl or Captain Atom). I can't argue the fact that the Pitof/Rebeck version was not an entirely new charcater because in the DVD they admit that it intentionally was. You just have to accept it or don't, but you shouldn't criticise or berate anyone who does since it it violates this freedom of expression.

I shouldn't criticise or berate anyone for completely changing something....

You are henceforth branded as "STUPID".

Yes, characters get reinvented and reimagined, but this is a NEW CHARACTER. Now you have admitted it. So, show me all of these die-hard fans of this "Patience Phillips" or whatever "Catwoman". Where are they? Shou;dn't they all be here defending this "wonderful" character they all love so much? Maybe this board isn't important enough for them to show up....that's it. Or maybe, they have better things to do. Maybe.Or....Maybe...

NO ONE LIKES THIS CRAPPY CHARACTER!

Think about this logically, if you are the only lone left still supporting it, and no one agrees with you, does that mean that there is a "Silent Majority" out there who refuses to rise up, or is it that they just aren't there?

I know which one you'll choose.....and that just further proves your incompetence and your inability to discern FACT from OPINION. And that's sad.

[JackBauer]

Your use of the word totally is misleading. When you say totally different, it means that there are no similarities at all, but you then agree tht they were similar because they were based on the source material (the comic book). That is a contradiction. I don't think I am stupid here.

so, by your "logic", Batman Begins and 60's Batman would be similar. :rolleyes:


Both shows included characters like the Flash, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, and the Atom, whos powers were the same. I do not know what your are talking about here. Here is a clue for you: Stop using the word totally (and for that matter stupid).

except that they used a COMPLETELY different Flash, a COMPLETELY different Lantern, and it was in a COMPLETELY different tone.

the JLA pilot was like a campy DC version of Power Rangers. the JL cartoon actually took the source material, and the viewers' intelligence, seriously.

My point here is even though these characters were in films that were considered bombs, they still re-emerged in other films or TV shows. This was in response to your comment about "letting it die". Even though the character was of a different race in both films, it is the same Nick Fury character (notice the eye patch). Your're the one who is ingoring the facts here.

first of all. it is NOT the same Nick Fury character. it's a completely different version. just like Begins Bats isn't the same character from BTAS.

second, none of those movies were considered half as bad as CINO was. it was, save for a few misguided souls like yourself, unanimously considered crap. you could argue for Batman & Robin, but the difference is, it's Batman, and he came back on the peak of the superhero craze. if Catwoman didn't make it big now, when she had EVERYTHING going for her (everything except the stupidity of the folks at WB), she's not gonna have another shot until the craze dies down, and comes back. that'd be in about 20 years.

Of course I have. Don't be silly (actuall your statement is pointless).

funny. certainly doesn't look that way.

I think I mentioned the the fact that I was not a real die-hard Catwoman fan back in post #73 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8408696&postcount=73) although I do know about the origins of the character. I have never made any comments about Berry's so called "assets" but you certainly have. Maybe it is you that has the fetish for her and you won't admit it (at least not like you have about lap dancers at strip clubs like you have at other boards).

Halle's "assets" are the ONLY reason someone could defend this tripe. and they STILL managed to screw that one up.

Who said that? Be it minor or major, a change is a change and it happens all the time in both the comics and in film. Reinventing a character is nothing new either (take for instance Hawkgirl or Captain Atom). I can't argue the fact that the Pitof/Rebeck version was not an entirely new charcater because in the DVD they admit that it intentionally was. You just have to accept it or don't, but you shouldn't criticise or berate anyone who does since it it violates this freedom of expression.

except that changes in the comics are most of the time in the dynamics, like having Peter live in the Avengers Tower. the rest is idiot writers thinking they can improve upon a character by doing stupid things like giving him new powers (something that nine times out of ten, simply doesn't work). in the rare event when they actually reinvent a character, it's mostly rebooting his origin, but still keeping with who the character is in the present.

and yes, we, real fans, CAN and SHOULD berate people who accept crap like CINO because not only does it rape the source material (which was miles and miles better and thus had no reason not to be used), it just gets in the way of the real Catwoman (y'know, Selina Kyle, thief, former prostitute, whatever) having a chance to be made in a movie.

and THAT is why the real fans take no substitutes.

[jaguarr]

ActOfGod, you've been ID'd. :)

jag

[JackBauer]

ActOfGod, you've been ID'd. :)

jag

good lord, not ActOfDefecation! :eek:

man I miss those times. you guys made me laugh like a maniac. :D

[shinlyle]

Yup...it's the little girl who fell for me on the DC Boards, followed me here, got banned....got banned again...got banned again...and only posts every three or four months when a CINO-Love thread pops up.

That would explain her logic-board being fried and her complete ineptitude when it comes to all things comic.

[Darthphere]

God this thread is still going, how vomitrocious, like CINO.:up:

[JackBauer]

God this thread is still going, how vomitrocious, like CINO.:up:

yep, it comes full circle. :)

[That-Guy]

God this thread is still going, how vomitrocious, like CINO.:up:


You know something? I was thinking the other day about how cool, yet completely impossible it would be for Warner Brothers to make a movie based on "Infinite Crisis." It would be cool to see a big, special effects extravaganza like that, featuring all of the big DC heroes in an all out battle. Then I came to a realization.

Warner Brothers has already made an "Infinite Crisis" of a movie.

No, they haven't made a movie based on the story, Infinite Crisis. Nor have they ever made a movie featuring a smilar situation (i.e. a bunch of superheroes battling a slew of villains and trying to save the universe). But if you really examine the LITERAL meaning of the term "infinite crisis," you'll see that such a creation has, in fact, been made. "Infinite" is a word meaning something that is unending... it goes on and on forever. The term is most often used by astronomers when they discuss space. It is generally accepted that space is infinite... if interstellar space travel ever becomes possible, supposedly, a ship could travel forever without finding an end. "Crisis" is really just another word for disaster. When you put the two words together, your meaning is simple: a disaster that is never ending. The film Catwoman, alias CINO, alias Crapwoman, etc., is thus once such "infinite crisis." This is due to the following facts: 1. The movie was a financial and critical disaster, so much that the films star actually showed up to the Razzie awards and ACCEPTED her "Worst Actress" award for the film, and later even made a PUBLIC APOLOGY for the movie. 2. Despite the film being panned by critics, boycotted by fans of the original character, and hardly recouping any of its budget, the few fans CINO has STILL pop up on message boards trying to convince people that it was a good movie and discuss "rumors" of possible SEQUELS. Much like a cancer that cannot be neutralized despite millions of dollars spent on the most efficient cheimotherapy possible, these leeches infinitely plague true fans of the character. 3. Lastly, when the comic book "Infinite Crisis" debuted, it was touted to be the "worst day in the lives of the DC heroes." This was inaccurate. That day was the day "Catwoman" was released in theaters.

[shinlyle]

Great post, man....of course, you know the comic reference will throw dnno1/Act of Dog into a tizzy....seeing as how she only CLAIMS to read comics...without ever actually reading them.


Oh...my bad, she read the Superman Blue crap...:rolleyes:

[jaguarr]

That-Guy is a Thread Killa!!!!

jag

[shinlyle]

Well....looks like we scared the little troll back into it's hole, huh?

Just like a freakin' Groundhog....gets scared and burrows back into its hole.

"It's a varmint....and I know how to handle varmints...."

[Spike_x1]

Awww... I missed the pwning of Act Of Dog. I feel left out. :(

[dnno1]

The joke's on you guys. I'm not ActOfDog. I'm not even a chick (not even close). Anybody with a brain could easily figure out who Shinlyle is and what he does. It's all over the Internet. Just Google Lyle Plollard.

[jaguarr]

The joke's on you guys. I'm not ActOfDog. I'm not even a chick (not even close). Anybody with a brain could easily figure out who Shinlyle is and what he does. It's all over the Internet. Just Google Lyle Plollard.

He does charity work for people with autism? Wow....you've really got him there! How dastardly! :up: It's clear that you came here with an agenda, by what you've just posted. Did it occur to you that maybe we already KNOW who Shinlyle is and what he does?

jag

[spacecomet]

I enjoyed "Catwoman" with Halle Berry. Make no mistake, Catwoman was NOT a great movie. It was a bit below average honestly, combined with the devotion to the subject matter that comics fans have (which isn't much, but it's still there), this movie is GUARANTEED to have a horrid reputation around here...

Regardless, there were three things that I liked about Catwoman:

1) Halle Berry's body... pretty simple... it's fun to watch...

2) Capoeria... great fighting style put to great use in the film...

3) CGI climbing/jumping/running... yes they looked fake, but I still enjoyed it... the same way I enjoy cartoons --shrug--

Now while there is a laundry list of things I did NOT like about Catwoman, they did not detract from the things I did like...

Cliches -- the gay friend, the fat friend (superb comedienne), the police love interest who doesn't know... all of these of course have non cliched potential, but, honestly, it wasn't used... her supporting cast was pretty straightforward. Catwoman vs Ben Bratt should have been played up more.

Villains -- This was painful. They had a plot twist, but they gave it away WAY too early, it should have been saved for the climax, not the beginning of the third act. The villain herself, while again, a superb actress, was NOT even close to intimidating. Dear gosh... what can rubbergirl do to CATWOMAN, I mean... normal Catwoman, much less Super-Catwoman that Patience was... it's crazy. I mean, please, borrow a third rate Batman villain... the plot would have BEEN AWESOME for Clayface or Killer Croc both of whom would have been credible villains in a battle... I mean, even Charaxes or Firefly would have been welcome additions to this limp villany. Even Cat-Man could have at least highlighted the fight-the-male-dominance theory. This was, by far the biggest flaw in the film.

Plot -- Toxic Makeup. That gives powers. To be honest, I can't think of another episode of BTAS that's better fitted to be adapted to Catwoman (assuming of course, that we can't use Batman becuz of the Begins monster)... but can we at least give it as strong a finish? A villain we can related to... a tragedy we can feel... a power level that's worth watching a fight between? They should've kept Clayface in this plot, and left Sharon Stone as a powerless mastermind (who is only revealed to be the power behind the suddenly dead powerless mastermind at the end). That would have been much more compelling. There are better plots to be had (say one involving... cat burglary?), but small changes could've made it MUCH better.

Purring -- Eartha Kitt did it right... Michelle Pfeiffer did it right... Halle did not... whoever was directing kept the wrong takes...

Moral -- "Freedom IS Power." Ouch. Put that down next to: "Do you know what happens when a toad is struck by lightning?" It's like... Whaaa? Is this what I am to go and apply to my life? Are you serious? Women should be free to do whatever the heck they want, damn the consequences? This is your female empowerment? Madness... madness...

In short, too much inspiration for this movie was drawn from the 60s TV show (black Catwoman) and the cartoons (RenewU is addictive and gives us powers!) and not enough inspiration was taken from the comics (compelling characters, big fights, Batman Universe).

Things I'm indifferent to (some people hate them, but I honestly don't care... nor should I):

Patience Pierce Character. I read Batman comics, not Catwoman comics... Selina Kyle's cool, but without Bruce Wayne, I have zero interest in her.

Costume. Catwoman's costume changes pretty regularly. It had ears and a whip. No complaints from me.

All in all... a descent flick. Had shining parts, had surprises... had rough parts... don't buy the DVD, but it was definitely sit-through-able. Not the best, not the worst... just a weak, laughably corny and somewhat enjoyable movie.

I agree with you on some things. The Capoeria was a good fighting style to use. It was different. I thought Halle did a good job with the purring. Good idea that you had about Clayface being in the film with Sharon Stone's character as the mastermind. Also good what you said about Catwoman's costume changing regularly. I agree that Freedom is power in a way. You do what you want when you want. I enjoyed the movie also. I liked the music also. I also have the dvd. You had some good points.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

spcaecomet, I am assuming that you didn't absolutely love it? No one seems to do, not even me.

What you said though, I agree with (capoiera, clayface, etc.)

[Mr Sensitive]

GL1 is tripping.

The movie is a complete disgrace: her outfit is, in itself, a joke. Fake FX, bad writing, awful direction, no Selina Kyle, the cosmetics plot, etc, etc, etc.

It is written everywhere in this movie: D-I-S-G-R-A-C-E.

By the way, the name of the fight is "Capoeira", and I can assure you, it was not what they were doing there.

[shinlyle]

The joke's on you guys. I'm not ActOfDog. I'm not even a chick (not even close). Anybody with a brain could easily figure out who Shinlyle is and what he does. It's all over the Internet. Just Google Lyle Plollard.

Way to misspell my name, idiot. :rolleyes:

Of course, you're not Act of Dog...you never admitted you were in any of your previous incarntions either. You simply repost and pretend to be a "new" fan of this atrocious film.

Besides, don't you tend to run off and hide every time more than 4 people post in opposition to you? All the other CINO threads demonstrate that pattern...

Dnno1: "Catwoman was a good movie because it has fans. It will live forever!"

Shinlyle: "No, it wasn't..It was panned by critics, fans of the comic, and moviegoers alike. It was also a financial failure. If it had fans, they must have just downloaded it."

Dnno1: "It was good! It'll stand the test of time and get remade like Superman and Justice League and Fantastic Four."

Jaguar: "You're wrong (insert incredibly articulate response here)"

Dnno1: "I am right because I ama fan and you guys aren't real fans of Catwoman because you don't like this movie."

SpikeX: "You're an imbecile."

That-Guy: "Wow...this thread is stupid, and so is Dnno1."

Dnno1: "I googles Shinlyle's name! He love going to strip clubs!"
*dnno1 Vanishes back to the pit*


For all those just joining us, this is a pretty accurate appraisal of the current situation, as well as all Dnno1's past appearances.

[shinlyle]

He does charity work for people with autism? Wow....you've really got him there! How dastardly! :up: It's clear that you came here with an agenda, by what you've just posted. Did it occur to you that maybe we already KNOW who Shinlyle is and what he does?

jag

Gah! He's discovered my plans...! I was trying to help people so that the world could be a better place!!

I'll get you next time, Gadget....Next time......

ROWR!!

[JackBauer]

Gah! He's discovered my plans...! I was trying to help people so that the world could be a better place!!

I'll get you next time, Gadget....Next time......

ROWR!!

don't forget to shake your fist...

[jaguarr]

ActOfFraud, you're as entertaining as ever. Nice to see your Bizarro Logic is still intact.

jag

[shinlyle]

ActOfFraud, you're as entertaining as ever. Nice to see your Bizarro Logic is still intact.

jag

I'm just waiting for him to start calling us all pathetic losers because we don't agree with this "silent majority" of CINO-lovers that is so silent, they themselves don't know they support it.

I really find it hard to believe that, after over almost 2 years of this crap, ANYONE can be theis completely and totally STUPID. There has to be some kind of island or quarantine zone for people with this level of blatant stupidity. I'd hate to think he's allowed to roam free and infect others with his own brand of viral ignorance.

[jaguarr]

I There has to be some kind of island or quarantine zone for people with this level of blatant stupidity. I'd hate to think he's allowed to roam free and infect others with his own brand of viral ignorance.

I hear Guantanamo will be available, soon. :D

jag

[shinlyle]

I think we should put him on a quarantine island with the following people:

1) Carrot Top
2) Madonna
3) Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes aka "TomKat"
4) Kevin Federline
5) Pitof
6) Sharon Stone (Basic Instinct 2 was the last straw)
7) Whoever created that show "Arrested Development"
8 ) Whoever wrote "Bewitched" the movie.
9) Micheal Moore
10) Anyone who assaults our returning troops and their families (regardless of how you feel about the war, support the troops, man)
11) Every politician and lobbyist on the planet

Give them all a different disease, preferrably an STD, sterlize them, and let time take it's toll.

[dnno1]

He does charity work for people with autism? Wow....you've really got him there! How dastardly! :up: It's clear that you came here with an agenda, by what you've just posted. Did it occur to you that maybe we already KNOW who Shinlyle is and what he does?

jag

Yeah, and he goes to strip clubs, what a hipocrite! It doesn't matter whether you know him or not. Its just the fact that he has some nerve to accuse someone he has no idea who they are of lusting after some woman when he himself goes to strip clubs (and he's a married man at that!). I've never said that I craved Halle Berry, I only said that I saw "Catwoman" and I did not think it was as bad as any of you portray it. Lyle may boast that the charcater is 60 years old, but he couldn't have known her for more than 20 years (I've known about her for 39). The audience that went to see it in the theaters, statistically speaking, could not have known her for more than 20 year so I think that point is moot. Catwoman could have easily changed within that time frame (60 years and she certainly has) and a lot of you wouldn't have known it. Yes I did come here with an adjenda and it was to try keep the topic of this thread on track. This is the Catwoman Appreciation Thread and it should be free for those who do the voice their opinions. Those of you who don't like the film or the possiblilty of a corrected sequel should start a Catwoman Haters thread and commune over there!

[jaguarr]

HAHAHA!!!! Okay, I'll bite: How does shinlyle's going to strip clubs make him a hypocrite or even a bad person? Please explain this to me, because I'm not quite following your logic. And I'll hate on this movie anywhere I damn well please, Sparky. It's earned every bit of bashing I've given it.

jag

[dnno1]

Way to misspell my name, idiot. :rolleyes:

Of course, you're not Act of Dog...you never admitted you were in any of your previous incarntions either. You simply repost and pretend to be a "new" fan of this atrocious film.

Besides, don't you tend to run off and hide every time more than 4 people post in opposition to you? All the other CINO threads demonstrate that pattern...

Dnno1: "Catwoman was a good movie because it has fans. It will live forever!"

Shinlyle: "No, it wasn't..It was panned by critics, fans of the comic, and moviegoers alike. It was also a financial failure. If it had fans, they must have just downloaded it."

Dnno1: "It was good! It'll stand the test of time and get remade like Superman and Justice League and Fantastic Four."

Jaguar: "You're wrong (insert incredibly articulate response here)"

Dnno1: "I am right because I ama fan and you guys aren't real fans of Catwoman because you don't like this movie."

SpikeX: "You're an imbecile."

That-Guy: "Wow...this thread is stupid, and so is Dnno1."

Dnno1: "I googles Shinlyle's name! He love going to strip clubs!"
*dnno1 Vanishes back to the pit*


For all those just joining us, this is a pretty accurate appraisal of the current situation, as well as all Dnno1's past appearances.

Say look, I have a real job and a family too. I certanly don't need to recruit others from the If Pitof thread and other BB's to give me back up either. And by the way, stop putting words in my mouth. You're better off referencing my posts directly.

[NateGray]

Yeah, and he goes to strip clubs, what a hipocrite! It doesn't matter whether you know him or not. Its just the fact that he has some nerve to accuse someone he has no idea who they are of lusting after some woman when he himself goes to strip clubs (and he's a married man at that!). I've never said that I craved Halle Berry, I only said that I saw "Catwoman" and I did not think it was as bad as any of you portray it. Lyle may boast that the charcater is 60 years old, but he couldn't have known her for more than 20 years (I've known about her for 39). The audience that went to see it in the theaters, statistically speaking, could not have known her for more than 20 year so I think that point is moot. Catwoman could have easily changed within that time frame (60 years and she certainly has) and a lot of you wouldn't have known it. Yes I did come here with an adjenda and it was to try keep the topic of this thread on track. This is the Catwoman Appreciation Thread and it should be free for those who do the voice their opinions. Those of you who don't like the film or the possiblilty of a corrected sequel should start a Catwoman Haters thread and commune over there!


Ummmm a catwoman sequel?????

All I got to say is puff puff pass man puff puff pass....:up:
Or maybe say have a huge keg party with FREE liquor to boot....:up:

See then you might be able to convince other people catwoman was worth making a sequel to.:) at least while they are still high and or drunk....

Sorry forgot to add you do know this is based off elseworld catwoman who had no history until when the elseworld version came out a few years back....

[Darthphere]

Bizarro cant even understand this logic.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3a/ActionComics785.jpg/393px-ActionComics785.jpg

[JackBauer]

Lyle may boast that the charcater is 60 years old, but he couldn't have known her for more than 20 years (I've known about her for 39).

so you're older than him. doesn't mean squat. he still knows more about Catwoman than you.

The audience that went to see it in the theaters, statistically speaking, could not have known her for more than 20 year so I think that point is moot.

your point being? they still had enough sanity to notice that the movie was a piece of s#!t.

Catwoman could have easily changed within that time frame (60 years and she certainly has) and a lot of you wouldn't have known it.

actually, people CAN know what happened before they were born. you do understand that don't you?

Yes I did come here with an adjenda and it was to try keep the topic of this thread on track. This is the Catwoman Appreciation Thread and it should be free for those who do the voice their opinions. Those of you who don't like the film or the possiblilty of a corrected sequel should start a Catwoman Haters thread and commune over there!

forums are meant for debate. this whole dividing into little groups thing you're suggesting is ridiculous. you're just annoyed because your arguments in defense of this so-called movie are being so easily shot down. it says a lot about just how bad the movie is. it's indefensible.

[TwilightPro101]

Let's just get back to basics with characters. Selina Kyle = Catwoman. :)

[Spike_x1]

Let's just get back to basics with characters. Selina Kyle = Catwoman. :)[Halle Groupie]GWAAAAAAAHHHH?????? whooze Selleeena Kile???? O_° ??? MWAHaHAhee!! HaLLE IS tHE HAwT!![/Halle Groupie]


Just kidding, TwilightPro101. I agree with you.

[TwilightPro101]

I did like Halle. Nothing wrong with her. I blame the bomb that is the alternate Catwoman on Warner and their need for a quick fix. Hopefully, they'll give us the true Catwoman in due course.

[TwilightPro101]

Bizarro cant even understand this logic.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3a/ActionComics785.jpg/393px-ActionComics785.jpg

That movie shares the same world as Bizzaro :)

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

I did like Halle. Nothing wrong with her. I blame the bomb that is the alternate Catwoman on Warner and their need for a quick fix. Hopefully, they'll give us the true Catwoman in due course.

Agreed. I do like watching Catwoman now and then for a bit of absolute silly fun, but anxiously await the day they make amovie based on the character of Selina Kyle.

[Super_Ludacris]

No question their could be a good Catwoman had the executives on WB not to do the stupid corporate move and make a by the numbers summer flick

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

I think we should stop dwelling on the past and start focusing on the future lol.

As I said before, I like Catwoman, but I really want a movie with Selina Kyle, maybe Poison Ivy, Harlequin, all female-type movie. Hopefully I could write it and direct it lol jk

[Super_Ludacris]

Yeah that aint gonna happen though lol

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

A boy with fantasies about a mid-30s sexy woman leather-clad, jumping around the city cracking a whip can dream though, can't he? :O

[Super_Ludacris]

Sure, but it aint gonna happen. You could try a fanfiction or a rpg lol

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

I've tried a fanfiction continuing the movie but just couldn't...

[shinlyle]

Yeah, and he goes to strip clubs, what a hipocrite! It doesn't matter whether you know him or not. Its just the fact that he has some nerve to accuse someone he has no idea who they are of lusting after some woman when he himself goes to strip clubs (and he's a married man at that!).

Actually, I've been to a whopping total of 3 strip clubs in my life, junior. I' wen to 2 before I started going out with my wife, and I went to one with my wife. That's right...she went with me....for her friend's 21st b-day party (who is a girl). So....does that make me a bad person? Guess what....I don't care. You think I'm bad because you sit over there on your high horse and judge people. That's what you do. If I have to be the "bad guy", then that's fine by me. If being the "good guy" means that I have to be a repressed mental troglodyte like you, then I'm happy being "bad".

I've never said that I craved Halle Berry, I only said that I saw "Catwoman" and I did not think it was as bad as any of you portray it. Lyle may boast that the charcater is 60 years old, but he couldn't have known her for more than 20 years (I've known about her for 39). The audience that went to see it in the theaters, statistically speaking, could not have known her for more than 20 year so I think that point is moot. Catwoman could have easily changed within that time frame (60 years and she certainly has) and a lot of you wouldn't have known it.

You know, I'm not over a hundred years old either, but I can still say that "Great Expectations" shouldn't be remade into something less than what it should be. I love that story, and the beauty of literature is that you can go back and read things from long ago. I know this may baffle you, but many a person has read the older Catwoman stories. People who care about the character and are actually "fans" will go back and find out what the character has been through in its existence....be is Catwoman, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, or Chuck E. Cheese.

You expect everyone here to lie back and say, "It's all good....the movie wasn't bad and we should accept the changes...who cares if this means we'll not be seeing as movie abotu the Catwoman we all know and love for the next 20 years or so."

Am I right? Is this the philosophy you and your non-existent friends would have us all to believe? Get real.

The film sucked, it betrayed the character, and you just want everyone to like this piece of crap because you liked it. Guess what? It's not happening.

Yes I did come here with an adjenda and it was to try keep the topic of this thread on track. This is the Catwoman Appreciation Thread and it should be free for those who do the voice their opinions. Those of you who don't like the film or the possiblilty of a corrected sequel should start a Catwoman Haters thread and commune over there!

"adjenda"? HA! Try using the correct spelling, "Agenda". Better.

Oh...so we shouldn't post here because you say that we shouldn't? GREAT IDEA! Maybe we should also require inept meat-heads to post some facts with their opinions, huh? Here's a challenge:

Catwoman's Profits (or LACK OF):
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=catwoman.htm

It cost $135 million to make, and only made $82 million worldwide. Suck on that.

Catwoman's critical reviews:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/catwoman/

That's right...9%. THunderbirds got better reviews than this film.

Wait, wait....let's see what the fans have to say, too! here's a link to IMDB.com, where they let all the trolls and supporters run free! Surely, they'll have it ranked pretty high, won't they?:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0327554/

Wait....a 3.3 out of 10....? Why, that's pathetic! Even the "Tomb Raider" movies and "Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle" did better than that!

Now....let's think about this. If everything and everyone but you thinks this movie sucks, who is right? Are you right, and everyone else is wrong...or maybe...just maybe....you are the one who is wrong. It's a thought.

Now, feel free to contest and argue the facts all you want. Once again, I'll say this: You like the movie....that's fine. Trying to convince people that it's a good film is not going to happen,though. simply because it wasn't. You'll never see sequel, even if you and the other 3people who liked it picket Warner Brothers and Halle Berry's respective places of buisness 24/7 for the next ten years.

Get.
Over.
It.

Now....I hope that takes care of you.

[shinlyle]

Say look, I have a real job and a family too. I certanly don't need to recruit others from the If Pitof thread and other BB's to give me back up either. And by the way, stop putting words in my mouth. You're better off referencing my posts directly.

A real job...? A real family...? Wow! So you have bills and weren't grown in a damn test tube. Good for you. :up: :rolleyes:

I don't have to recruit them. They come willingly. Why? They are "fanatics" of the character who know more about her than "HaLLe is HaWT eN dAT mooFFEE!!"

As for putting words in your mouth....I figured it would make you appear less like a complete tool, and more like a real human being.

[shinlyle]

Let's just get back to basics with characters. Selina Kyle = Catwoman. :)

Good luck pitching that to "Dnnocrap" over there....he thinks Selina was just "one of many"....:rolleyes:

[Phatman]

Two years after Halle's CINO tanks at the box office and winning razzies this movie still has supporters.... I can't believe it.
Sorry but this movie just isn't good. Period. Bad writing, Bad acting, bad everything. There isn't going to be a sequel. Warner Bros. will quietly buy out Halle's option for a sequel.

The only way I want to see CINO onscreen will preferably at a MST3K Marathon of Black movies feature featuring Shaq's Steel, Ghost Dad, Black Samurai, Superfly T.N.T., Gang Of Roses, Soul Plane and The Haunted Mansion. If Mike, Crow and Tom Servo are involved, that's the only way I watch CINO.

Well, there's no accounting for taste.

[shinlyle]

Two years after Halle's CINO tanks at the box office and winning razzies this movie still has supporters.... I can't believe it.
Sorry but this movie just isn't good. Period. Bad writing, Bad acting, bad everything. There isn't going to be a sequel. Warner Bros. will quietly buy out Halle's option for a sequel.

The only way I want to see CINO onscreen will preferably at a MST3K Marathon of Black movies feature featuring Shaq's Steel, Ghost Dad, Black Samurai, Superfly T.N.T., Gang Of Roses, Soul Plane and The Haunted Mansion. If Mike, Crow and Tom Servo are involved, that's the only way I watch CINO.

Well, there's no accounting for taste.


DDR Skata was supposed to be putting together a MST3K CINO deal....that was a long time ago, though.

[jaguarr]

Hey, good to see ya, Phatman.

jag

[dnno1]

Actually, I've been to a whopping total of 3 strip clubs in my life, junior. I' wen to 2 before I started going out with my wife, and I went to one with my wife. That's right...she went with me....for her friend's 21st b-day party (who is a girl). So....does that make me a bad person? Guess what....I don't care. You think I'm bad because you sit over there on your high horse and judge people. That's what you do. If I have to be the "bad guy", then that's fine by me. If being the "good guy" means that I have to be a repressed mental troglodyte like you, then I'm happy being "bad".



You know, I'm not over a hundred years old either, but I can still say that "Great Expectations" shouldn't be remade into something less than what it should be. I love that story, and the beauty of literature is that you can go back and read things from long ago. I know this may baffle you, but many a person has read the older Catwoman stories. People who care about the character and are actually "fans" will go back and find out what the character has been through in its existence....be is Catwoman, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, or Chuck E. Cheese.

You expect everyone here to lie back and say, "It's all good....the movie wasn't bad and we should accept the changes...who cares if this means we'll not be seeing as movie abotu the Catwoman we all know and love for the next 20 years or so."

Am I right? Is this the philosophy you and your non-existent friends would have us all to believe? Get real.

The film sucked, it betrayed the character, and you just want everyone to like this piece of crap because you liked it. Guess what? It's not happening.



"adjenda"? HA! Try using the correct spelling, "Agenda". Better.

Oh...so we shouldn't post here because you say that we shouldn't? GREAT IDEA! Maybe we should also require inept meat-heads to post some facts with their opinions, huh? Here's a challenge:

Catwoman's Profits (or LACK OF):
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=catwoman.htm

It cost $135 million to make, and only made $82 million worldwide. Suck on that.

Catwoman's critical reviews:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/catwoman/

That's right...9%. THunderbirds got better reviews than this film.

Wait, wait....let's see what the fans have to say, too! here's a link to IMDB.com, where they let all the trolls and supporters run free! Surely, they'll have it ranked pretty high, won't they?:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0327554/

Wait....a 3.3 out of 10....? Why, that's pathetic! Even the "Tomb Raider" movies and "Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle" did better than that!

Now....let's think about this. If everything and everyone but you thinks this movie sucks, who is right? Are you right, and everyone else is wrong...or maybe...just maybe....you are the one who is wrong. It's a thought.

Now, feel free to contest and argue the facts all you want. Once again, I'll say this: You like the movie....that's fine. Trying to convince people that it's a good film is not going to happen,though. simply because it wasn't. You'll never see sequel, even if you and the other 3people who liked it picket Warner Brothers and Halle Berry's respective places of buisness 24/7 for the next ten years.

Get.
Over.
It.

Now....I hope that takes care of you.

I could care less about all the stats that you throw out here. I saw the movie and it didn't suck like you say. I just can't say that it was the greatest film that year. Although your statistic on the returns of the film illustrate that it did not make it's money back at the boxoffice. That isn't saying much because 90% of films made don't either. Now if you compare Catwoman to similar films like "Elektra", "Aeon Flux", "Ultraviolet", "Tank Girl", and "Red Sonja", it did far better. Let's face it, female comicbook superheroine films do not do well at the boxoffice, but that's not the only revenue stream that the studios need to rely on to measure its success (i.e. you need to look at DVD sales, cable/PPV and TV as well). I don't know how many times I have to repeat this, but I guess you don't want to understand that.

[Darthphere]

I could care less about all the stats that you throw out here. I saw the movie and it didn't suck like you say. I just can't say that it was the greatest film that year. Although your statistic on the returns of the film illustrate that it did not make it's money back at the boxoffice. That isn't saying much because 90% of films made actually do. Now if you compare Catwoman to similar films like "Elektra", "Aeon Flux", "Ultraviolet", "Tank Girl", "Red Sonja", it did far better. Let's face it, female comicbook superheroine films do not do well at the boxoffice, but that's not the only revenue stream that the studios need to rely on to measure its success (i.e. you need to look at DVD sales, cable/PPV and TV as well). I don't know how many times I have to repeat this, but I guess you don't want to understand that.


No man, all thses movies sucked. And Catwoman is their queen. Have you ever thought of watching good movies?

[shinlyle]

I could care less about all the stats that you throw out here. I saw the movie and it didn't suck like you say. I just can't say that it was the greatest film that year. Although your statistic on the returns of the film illustrate that it did not make it's money back at the boxoffice. That isn't saying much because 90% of films made actually do. Now if you compare Catwoman to similar films like "Elektra", "Aeon Flux", "Ultraviolet", "Tank Girl", "Red Sonja", it did far better. Let's face it, female comicbook superheroine films do not do well at the boxoffice, but that's not the only revenue stream that the studios need to rely on to measure its success (i.e. you need to look at DVD sales, cable/PPV and TV as well). I don't know how many times I have to repeat this, but I guess you don't want to understand that.

So...you're saying that it wasn't a box office success.....and that's okay? Cute. Really Cute.

Now we're going to pretend that the DVD rentals/sales have made 55 million dollars (the amount the film lost in the box office). Fine. However, you do know that DVDs don't grow on trees, right? They cost money to produce, distribute and promote, just like the film itself. On top of that, the rental profits belogn more to the rental store than to the studio.

In the year 2099, Catwoman may FINALLY break even... maybe.

As for the thing about female superhero flicks, Catwoman, Elektra, Aeon Flux, Red Sonja and Ultraviolet didn't fail because they starred female heroes....they faled because they were awful films.

When Hollywood stops treating female leads as sex objects, and they start writing them as strong, interesting characters (something CINO failed to do), then we'll see some success for the ladies. Until then, we're left with whatever Hollywood decides to throw at us.

[shinlyle]

No man, all thses movies sucked. And Catwoman is their queen. Have you ever thought of watching good movies?

Careful...that's dangerous thinking there...!! :eek: ;)

[Darthphere]

Id rather watch Elektra than Catwoman.:(

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Yeah, personally, Elektra is underrated. I think it's a tad bit better that Daredevil theatrical cut, though it's nice seeing the film origins of the movie version of Elektra.

Though one thing struck me: along with Elektra, Nikolas said that her mother was killed in front of her...but he wasn't in Elektra...wassup with that!? But it was cool to see the necklace; it's kind of her thing, you know.

[jaguarr]

Now if you compare Catwoman to similar films like "Elektra", "Aeon Flux", "Ultraviolet", "Tank Girl", and "Red Sonja", it did far better.

Well, first off, CINO wasn't about Catwoman whereas those other films were about the actual characters they were representing (save for Ultraviolet, which was it's own creation). And, "better" how? All of them had terrible scripts, but I believe "Elektra" has done far better at the box office and in DVD rentals/sales and getting play on the pay movie channels than CINO has. I'd be willing to venture that "Tank Girl" and "Red Sonja" long recouped their costs, despite being crappy movies. Frankly, I'm amazed that you go to such lengths to defend CINO, man. We all know it was a crappy movie. I respect your right to like it and even disagree with that, but the fact remains that it was a critical and financial failure no matter how rosey you try to paint the picture.

jag

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

No matter how poor the movie is, it was the film out of those that did the best in box office. it made just (i mean JUST) over $80 mill worldwide, whereas Elektra made $60 mill, and tank girl made a 5th of it's budget back.

I've never heard of Red Sonja...

[jaguarr]

No matter how poor the movie is, it was the film out of those that did the best in box office. it made just (i mean JUST) over $80 mill worldwide, whereas Elektra made $60 mill, and tank girl made a 5th of it's budget back.

I've never heard of Red Sonja...

Ahhhh, but how much did those films each cost to make? Therein lies the trick. It's whether they actually wind up breaking even or turning a profit that helps define whether they were a success. CINO did NOT turn a profit or even break even. I believe Elektra did just well enough for them to kick around the idea of a second film. So, which is more successful? The one that will never be revisited in a million years or the one that could possibly get a sequel?

jag

[shinlyle]

No matter how poor the movie is, it was the film out of those that did the best in box office. it made just (i mean JUST) over $80 mill worldwide, whereas Elektra made $60 mill, and tank girl made a 5th of it's budget back.

I've never heard of Red Sonja...

It depends on how you look at it.

Catwoman made 82.1 million dollars....but it cost 135 million dollars to make. That means it actually LOST over 50 million dollars.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=catwoman.htm

Elektra made 56 million dollars....but it only cost 43 million dollars to make. That means it made 13 million dollars in the box office.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=elektra.htm

Tank Girl was a MAJOR flop. It cost 25 million dollars to make, but it only made back 4 million dollars. That means it lost 21 million dollars. Still...it didn't lose as much as Catwoman did.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=tankgirl.htm

Ultraviolet made 20 million dollars, but it cost 30 million dollars to make. That means it actually lost only 10 million dollars.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ultraviolet.htm

Aeon Flux made 51.5 million dollars, and it cost 62 million dollars to make. That means it lost 10.5 million dollars.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=aeonflux.htm


So you see, when compared to other films, Catwoman is still the queen of all of them, in terms of money lost. All the movies may have sucked, but only one managed to cost the studio that made it an estimates 53 million dollars.

[NateGray]

No man, all thses movies sucked. And Catwoman is their queen. Have you ever thought of watching good movies?

LMAO
Well I was going to say something with that list he put up but your response is pure gold....:up:

[jaguarr]

It depends on how you look at it.

Catwoman made 82.1 million dollars....but it cost 135 million dollars to make. That means it actually LOST over 50 million dollars.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=catwoman.htm

Elektra made 56 million dollars....but it only cost 43 million dollars to make. That means it made 13 million dollars in the box office.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=elektra.htm

Tank Girl was a MAJOR flop. It cost 25 million dollars to make, but it only made back 4 million dollars. That means it lost 21 million dollars. Still...it didn't lose as much as Catwoman did.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=tankgirl.htm

Ultraviolet made 20 million dollars, but it cost 30 million dollars to make. That means it actually lost only 10 million dollars.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ultraviolet.htm

Aeon Flux made 51.5 million dollars, and it cost 62 million dollars to make. That means it lost 10.5 million dollars.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=aeonflux.htm


So you see, when compared to other films, Catwoman is still the queen of all of them, in terms of money lost. All the movies may have sucked, but only one managed to cost the studio that made it an estimates 53 million dollars.

You perfectly illustrated my previous point, Shin. :up:

jag

[shinlyle]

You perfectly illustrated my previous point, Shin. :up:

jag


That's what I'm here for, man! :up:

[dnno1]

so you're older than him. doesn't mean squat. he still knows more about Catwoman than you.

That's not the point here. The man is claiming that Catwoman is a character that we have known and loved for 60 years and that is practically impossible for him and a lot of others (even me). In fact, the majority of those who went to see the film more than likely did not even know the character that well. There are not that many Catwoman fans out there to equate to $80M+ worth of revenue and the median age of the preponderance of moviegoers (18) does not indicate to me that they have the type of income to go and collect 60 years worth of Catwoman related stories (I don't think there is enough of that to go around either). Furthermore, he doesn't know how much I really know about the character. Your point is moot.

your point being? they still had enough sanity to notice that the movie was a piece of s#!t.

That's just your opinion. I have met several people who have seen the film that said it was ok.

...actually, people CAN know what happened before they were born. you do understand that don't you?

Yes, the could, but not everybody actually does. Anybody who would be interested in researching 60 years of any comic book character has got to be an adult or an avid collector and the average moviegoer does not always fit that category. Even if he/she decided to research it on the Internet, that would be a small number of people.

forums are meant for debate. this whole dividing into little groups thing you're suggesting is ridiculous. you're just annoyed because your arguments in defense of this so-called movie are being so easily shot down. it says a lot about just how bad the movie is. it's indefensible.

That's right, forums are meant for debate. They were not meant for people to ridicule and harass others who have a certain opinion (I think that's stated in the rules here). What I have found is that people like you are more than likely to resort to name calling, the use of foul language and or offensive images, as well as insults in defense of your adgenda... and I wouldn't call simply responding to a point as shooting it down. Nothing you have said has proven any of my points as incorrect.

[dnno1]

It depends on how you look at it.

Catwoman made 82.1 million dollars....but it cost 135 million dollars to make. That means it actually LOST over 50 million dollars.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=catwoman.htm

Elektra made 56 million dollars....but it only cost 43 million dollars to make. That means it made 13 million dollars in the box office.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=elektra.htm

Tank Girl was a MAJOR flop. It cost 25 million dollars to make, but it only made back 4 million dollars. That means it lost 21 million dollars. Still...it didn't lose as much as Catwoman did.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=tankgirl.htm

Ultraviolet made 20 million dollars, but it cost 30 million dollars to make. That means it actually lost only 10 million dollars.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ultraviolet.htm

Aeon Flux made 51.5 million dollars, and it cost 62 million dollars to make. That means it lost 10.5 million dollars.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=aeonflux.htm


So you see, when compared to other films, Catwoman is still the queen of all of them, in terms of money lost. All the movies may have sucked, but only one managed to cost the studio that made it an estimates 53 million dollars.

You included the advertising cost in the Catwoman figure but I do not think you did the same for the other films. Kind of misleading here. According to IMDb, the production budget for "Catwoman" was $85M. At one time it was the same figure at BoxofficeMojo.com

[NateGray]

That's not the point here. The man is claiming that Catwoman is a character that we have known and loved for 60 years and that is practically impossible for him and a lot of others (even me). In fact, the majority of those who went to see the film more than likely did not even know the character that well. There are not that many Catwoman fans out there to equate to $80M+ worth of revenue and the median age of the preponderance of moviegoers (18) does not indicate to me that they have the type of income to go and collect 60 years worth of Catwoman related stories (I don't think there is enough of that to go around either). Furthermore, he doesn't know how much I really know about the character. Your point is moot.



That's just your opinion. I have met several people who have seen the film that said it was ok.



Yes, the could, but not everybody actually does. Anybody who would be interested in researching 60 years of any comic book character has got to be an adult or an avid collector and the average moviegoer does not always fit that category. Even if he/she decided to research it on the Internet, that would be a small number of people.



That's right, forums are meant for debate. They were not meant for people to ridicule and harass others who have a certain opinion (I think that's stated in the rules here). What I have found is that people like you are more than likely to resort to name calling, the use of foul language and or offensive images, as well as insults in defense of your adgenda... and I wouldn't call simply responding to a point as shooting it down. Nothing you have said has proven any of my points as incorrect.

Ok I said it in my original post here but you keep missing the point THIS Catwoman is NOT repeat NOT the one who has been around for 60years.

This Catwoman movie was based off the elseworld Catwoman where they are like a slayer each generation a Catwoman is born and they were written only ten or so years ago GET IT....
So enough with the referencing 60 years of Catwoman crap.

[jaguarr]

Ok I said it in my original post here but you keep missing the point THIS Catwoman is NOT repeat NOT the one who has been around for 60years.

This Catwoman movie was based off the elseworld Catwoman where they are like a slayer each generation a Catwoman is born and they were written only ten or so years ago GET IT....
So enough with the referencing 60 years of Catwoman crap.

He's continually and conveniently avoided that point since he showed up in this thread.

jag

[jaguarr]

You included the advertising cost in the Catwoman figure but I do not think you did the same for the other films. Kind of misleading here.

Even if you take out the $35M advertising budget, CINO STILL lost well over $15M which is more than the other films without their advertising budgets. The other films didn't have NEARLY that large of an advertising budget, either.

jag

[shinlyle]

You included the advertising cost in the Catwoman figure but I do not think you did the same for the other films. Kind of misleading here. According to IMDb, the production budget for "Catwoman" was $85M. At one time it was the same figure at BoxofficeMojo.com

For trusting IMDB.com for numbers, I grant you zero points. They have NEVER had accurate budgets listed for their movies. Also, it's widely reported that the 100 million dollar budget is real...and the 35 million was forwarded to the film by Village Roadshow Pictures in hopes of building up the hype for the film....which failed.

[shinlyle]

That's not the point here. The man is claiming that Catwoman is a character that we have known and loved for 60 years and that is practically impossible for him and a lot of others (even me). In fact, the majority of those who went to see the film more than likely did not even know the character that well. There are not that many Catwoman fans out there to equate to $80M+ worth of revenue and the median age of the preponderance of moviegoers (18) does not indicate to me that they have the type of income to go and collect 60 years worth of Catwoman related stories (I don't think there is enough of that to go around either). Furthermore, he doesn't know how much I really know about the character. Your point is moot.

So...because I'm not as old as the character of Catwoman, I don't know what I'm talking about? Do you even hear yourself? Catwoman has been in comics, television shows, animated series', movies, and toy store shelves for over half a decade, and your telling me that it had no effect on the people who saw this strocity of a film?!

You're retarded...there's no other excuse for it.


That's just your opinion. I have met several people who have seen the film that said it was ok.

Junior, all you've contributed to this thread is an "opinion". You've brought ZERO facts with you....that's why we mock you...that, and your horrible taste in movies...



Yes, the could, but not everybody actually does. Anybody who would be interested in researching 60 years of any comic book character has got to be an adult or an avid collector and the average moviegoer does not always fit that category. Even if he/she decided to research it on the Internet, that would be a small number of people.

Yeah...no one would have seen her on the cartoon, the old Batman TV show, or in Batman Returns or anything. Someone would have to be living in a cardboard box for the last 20 years not to know anythign about Catwoman.


That's right, forums are meant for debate. They were not meant for people to ridicule and harass others who have a certain opinion (I think that's stated in the rules here). What I have found is that people like you are more than likely to resort to name calling, the use of foul language and or offensive images, as well as insults in defense of your adgenda... and I wouldn't call simply responding to a point as shooting it down. Nothing you have said has proven any of my points as incorrect.

I resort to name-calling because it's fun, and you deserve it. You don't address facts with more facts, you simply spout off more opinions. This thread isn't a debate....it's us saying, "The movie flopped", and you trying to convince us that it doesn't make the film a failure...which it does. You've yet to debate anything. Your past 20 posts have been spent trying to discredit me or build up a movie that lost 53 million dollars and failed almost 2 years ago.

Also, everyone here has proven all of your points to be incorrect....you just refuse to admit it.

[dnno1]

Id rather watch Elektra than Catwoman.:(

Must be a Marvel fan.

[dnno1]

Even if you take out the $35M advertising budget, CINO STILL lost well over $15M which is more than the other films without their advertising budgets. The other films didn't have NEARLY that large of an advertising budget, either.

jag

That all depends on who's figure you want to take as accurate. IMDb lists Catwoman's PB at $85M. If you use that figure then the film only lost $2.9M.

[jaguarr]

That all depends on who's figure you want to take as accurate. IMDb lists Catwoman's PB at $85M. If you use that figure then the film only lost $2.9M.


imdb.com's figures are notoriously incorrect. I think I'll go with an industry-respected source like boxofficemojo.

jag

[shinlyle]

That all depends on who's figure you want to take as accurate. IMDb lists Catwoman's PB at $85M. If you use that figure then the film only lost $2.9M.

If you use that number, that also makes you "wrong".

WB reported the 100 million dollar budget. I'd think that, if anyotn knew how much the film cost, it would be the studio that produced it. :rolleyes:

[shinlyle]

imdb.com's figures are notoriously incorrect. I think I'll go with an industry-respected source like boxofficemojo.

jag

That's....that's just crazy talk!!!!:eek: ;)

[dnno1]

So...because I'm not as old as the character of Catwoman, I don't know what I'm talking about? Do you even hear yourself? Catwoman has been in comics, television shows, animated series', movies, and toy store shelves for over half a decade, and your telling me that it had no effect on the people who saw this strocity of a film?!

You're retarded...there's no other excuse for it.

You are not undestanding me. You said that she was someone that we have known and loved for 60 year and that is virtually impossible. You couldn't have known the caracter for more than 20. In fact, the average person going to the movies could not have known about the character for more than 20 years (or more like 10) since their average age ranges between 12 and 24. I am willing to bet that it would be a small number out of of those who actuall know Catwoman that well.




Junior, all you've contributed to this thread is an "opinion". You've brought ZERO facts with you....that's why we mock you...that, and your horrible taste in movies...

Which just proves that you really don't read my posts. Quite a few of them are cited back to sources such as the Motion Picture Association of America, USA today and others.

Yeah...no one would have seen her on the cartoon, the old Batman TV show, or in Batman Returns or anything. Someone would have to be living in a cardboard box for the last 20 years not to know anythign about Catwoman.

There are a lot of people who don't watch TV or have access to Cable, but yet still go to the movies. That is very possible.

I resort to name-calling because it's fun, and you deserve it. You don't address facts with more facts, you simply spout off more opinions. This thread isn't a debate....it's us saying, "The movie flopped", and you trying to convince us that it doesn't make the film a failure...which it does. You've yet to debate anything. Your past 20 posts have been spent trying to discredit me or build up a movie that lost 53 million dollars and failed almost 2 years ago.

Also, everyone here has proven all of your points to be incorrect....you just refuse to admit it.

That doesn't make it right (because it is fun). What kind of answer is that? What I have been saying is that because the movie did not do well at the boxoffice does not mean it will end up as a failure in the longrun. People here refuse to consider the revenue from DVD sales which could easily make up the differece.

[jaguarr]

People here refuse to consider the revenue from DVD sales which could easily make up the differece.

Show me figures from a reputable source that show CINO has recouped it's production and advertising costs so as to at least break even through the supplementation of DVD sales and rentals to it's box office revenue.

jag

[dnno1]

...Now we're going to pretend that the DVD rentals/sales have made 55 million dollars (the amount the film lost in the box office). Fine. However, you do know that DVDs don't grow on trees, right? They cost money to produce, distribute and promote, just like the film itself. On top of that, the rental profits belogn more to the rental store than to the studio...

It reall doesn't cost that much money to produce and distribute DVD's. If you make them in the millions it only cost tens of cents on the dollar. Turn around and sell them for $7-$24 a copy and there is plenty of profit to spread around. I know you made a comment about distribution costs but the WB owns the distribution rights to the DVD's (here in North America) and Villiage Roadshow Pictures (in Austrailia and New Zeland).

[shinlyle]

You are not undestanding me. You said that she was someone that we have known and loved for 60 year and that is virtually impossible. You couldn't have known the caracter for more than 20. In fact, the average person going to the movies could not have known about the character for more than 20 years (or more like 10) since their average age ranges between 12 and 24. I am willing to bet that it would be a small number out of of those who actuall know Catwoman that well.

This chain of logic is just dumb. The character has been around for over 60 years and has a rich history....but you say it doesn't count because the fans who love the character haven't been alive the whole time? Get over yourself. This point is useless for you to debate because you have no clear point to this argument.


Which just proves that you really don't read my posts. Quite a few of them are cited back to sources such as the Motion Picture Association of America, USA today and others.

Yeah..articles and sources you conveniently fail to link us to..and which also fail to support your point.

I do read your posts...and I fear that my intelligence drops everytime I read them...



There are a lot of people who don't watch TV or have access to Cable, but yet still go to the movies. That is very possible.

Yeah...they just ride by the movies and see a poster up and say, "Hey, I'll go see that movie!"

Sorry, junior, they see the ads somewhere....and that somewhere is on television. If you can't afford a television, then you don't need to be going to the movies. Also, this argument blows your "DVD recoup" theory out of the water.



That doesn't make it right (because it is fun). What kind of answer is that? What I have been saying is that because the movie did not do well at the boxoffice does not mean it will end up as a failure in the longrun. People here refuse to consider the revenue from DVD sales which could easily make up the differece.

What kind of answer is that? A funny one. I'm sur eit wasn't funny to you, seeing as how it was made at your expense, but I assure you, it was funny to everyone else.

The reason people here refuse to consider the revenue from the DVD is because the movie lost 53 million dollars! No way in hell is the DVD sales of a box office and critical flop going to make up that much money. Get a clue.

Also, you seem to think that DVDs grow on trees....they cost money to produce and promote...of course, you'll ignore that fact again and pretend the movie still only cost 85 million dollars to make...

It flopped. The studio, the star, and all of Hollywood and the movie-going public are in agreement on this. Why is it so hard foryou to accept that the movie failed? What personal interest do you have in this piece of crap? Let it go....damn.

[dnno1]

Show me figures from a reputable source that show CINO has recouped it's production and advertising costs so as to at least break even through the supplementation of DVD sales and rentals to it's box office revenue.

jag

You show me figures from a reputable source that show that the film didn't. I don't think you will.

[shinlyle]

It reall doesn't cost that much money to produce and distribute DVD's. If you make them in the millions it only cost tens of cents on the dollar. Turn around and sell them for $7-$24 a copy and there is plenty of profit to spread around. I know you made a comment about distribution costs but the WB owns the distribution rights to the DVD's (here in North America) and Villiage Roadshow Pictures (in Austrailia and New Zeland).

Really? So I guess the airtime to advertise the DVDs on television...that was all free, too, right? Moron.

On top of that, the DVD didn't sell very well at all. In fact, ti did quite poorly in the rentals, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the sales followed suit.

Any other ways you can think of to imagine profit for this film. We'r eall anxiously waiting. I'll bet you going to tell me that the Halloween costume sales made back the 55 million dollars too....:rolleyes:

[jaguarr]

You show me figures from a reputable source that show that the film didn't. I don't think you will.

It's your point to prove, Sparky. So prove it or STFU. :)

jag

[shinlyle]

You show me figures from a reputable source that show that the film didn't. I don't think you will.

That's your argument?! Your the one with something to prove, kid. You're the one banking on DVD rentals and sales to back up your argument, not us. If you can't back up your own point, then you may want to drop the case alltogether.

Seeing as how you need proof of your failure, though, here it is:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/catwoman/numbers.php

Lookie there.....if made back a whopping 2 million dollars in rentals!!!! WOW!!!

It also says that it will make about 60% more on average, after dropping out of the top ten rental charts....which it dropped out of after 2 weeks...
So that brings it's total to a staggerring $3,296,000 !!!


I guess you can enjoy your humble pie now....

[shinlyle]

It's your point to prove, Sparky. So prove it or STFU. :)

jag

Careful...if we keep asking him to provide proof, we may scare him away!!!

[Super_Ludacris]

lol@ this

[jaguarr]

lol@ this

:D

shin, you ruined it for me. I was hoping he'd go find that data on his own. I'm sure he'll come up with some sort of bizarro numbers from imdb.com again or something, though.

jag

[shinlyle]

:D

shin, you ruined it for me. I was hoping he'd go find that data on his own. I'm sure he'll come up with some sort of bizarro numbers from imdb.com again or something, though.

jag

I'm fully expecting him to write some numbers down in crayon on a sheet of notebook paper, and then scan it, save it as a photobucket pic, and say it's a website.

It really wouldn't shock me at this point. I'm waiting for him to start proclaiming that the Earth is flat or some other stupidity, next....

[dnno1]

That's your argument?! Your the one with something to prove, kid. You're the one banking on DVD rentals and sales to back up your argument, not us. If you can't back up your own point, then you may want to drop the case alltogether.

Seeing as how you need proof of your failure, though, here it is:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/catwoman/numbers.php

Lookie there.....if made back a whopping 2 million dollars in rentals!!!! WOW!!!

It also says that it will make about 60% more on average, after dropping out of the top ten rental charts....which it dropped out of after 2 weeks...
So that brings it's total to a staggerring $3,296,000 !!!


I guess you can enjoy your humble pie now....

That's not current and it doesn't include DVD sales (just VHS rentals up to the point that the film falls off the top 10 rental chart). I still maintain that the DVD is still selling.

[Super_Ludacris]

lol@ all this

[jaguarr]

I still maintain that the DVD is still selling.


Maintain it with some statistical proof from a reputable source, then. :)

jag

[shinlyle]

That's not current and it doesn't include DVD sales (just VHS rentals up to the point that the film falls off the top 10 rental chart). I still maintain that the DVD is still selling.

You also seem to "maintain" that the movei wasn't a complete and utter failure, but you were wrong about that, too.

The DVD selling out of the $5.99 bin at Wal-mart is hardly going to make it a success, kid. Also...I've yet to meet anyone who actually bought the DVD in real life....and I know a whole s***load of people. Now....is it more probable that the DVD is being bought by the same silent majority who liked the movie, or is it more probable tha the DVD isn't selling because no one liked the movie? If the DVD is such a hot seller, then why no talk of a sequel? Why does the star and the studio and anyone in motion pictures still use this film as the butt of all their jokes? It's almost like the film was a failure!

I know what you're going to say, and, I'll save us some time....YOU'RE WRONG.

Halle said it sucked (when she accepted her Razzie Award). Sharon Stone said it sucked (When interviewed about her recent films). Benjamin Bratt said it sucked (before the film even came out. He said this on the Tonight Show or the Late Show or something). Halle swore she would never do a sequel to this film. The director has yet to land a single gig since the film flopped almost 2 years ago.

What more do you need? Do you need the WB execs to show up on your doorstep and tell you this:

"Look, it's over. We screwed up, and the film was awful. We will give you $100,000 to never mention it again so that we can move on with our lives without you praising a film that makes "Batman & Robin" look like "Shawshank Redemption". If you refuse this offer, then we will leave you with this Envelope. It contains a rusty razorblade and a list of all the reasons this film sucks....and it's written by Halle Berry herself. The Razor is fro you to use as you wish upon yourself at the realization that your life is worthless. Good day."

Let me get on the horn to the WB and see if we can make this happen.

[shinlyle]

Maintain it with some statistical proof from a reputable source, then. :)

jag

I'm still waiting for some proof of anything he's said. So far, he's only proved that he can blow his own arguments out of the water without any help from us.

Hell, I'll bet he would actually convince himself the movie was a flop if we just left him here with all of his "facts".... :D

[JackBauer]

jesus h christ this is still going on?!

[Darthphere]

Must be a Marvel fan.


LOL! Im a Marvel fan because I enjoy one piece of crap over a bigger piece of crap. LMAO! Bizarro logic.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

It's funny because Bizarro is a DC character :up:

Some mod should close this because we aren't appreciating Catwoman, as what this thread's for...

[shinlyle]

LOL! Im a Marvel fan because I enjoy one piece of crap over a bigger piece of crap. LMAO! Bizarro logic.

I think even Bizarro himself would be confused by this guy's logic.

[JustABill]

Holy hell. I can't believe I made this thread? The hell was I thinking?!

[Two-Face]

You must have smoked something while making this thread.

[JackBauer]

Aaah, good times. And I wonder if dnno1 still thinks CINO didn't flop. :hehe:

[Charlie No-One]

When this movie first came out, I somehow was an avid supporter of it. Years later, after falling in love with the actual character of Catwoman, I realized this movie was a piece of ****. They totally butchered the character of Catwoman and had zero respect for her. I still believe Selina Kyle/Catwoman could make a kick ass movie if you take one of the story lines from the recent series like "Relentless" or "Dark End of the Street". Those are fantastic stories that would translate beautifully onto film.

That being said, I am currently sick with flu. In a cough-syrup-induced state, I decided to watch this yesterday. Yes it is horrible, but you know those awful horror movies that they used to play on Chiller Theater? I think it fits right there. It is so bad that it can be entertaining. In no ways is it a good respectable film. It kind of is just like the Atomic Brian or the original Little Shop of Horrors. After I feel better, I probably won't feel that way anymore.

[dnno1]

Aaah, good times. And I wonder if dnno1 still thinks CINO didn't flop. :hehe:

I think I said that it wasn't that bad and that it probably got it's money back in DVD sales. Anyway, that's all water under the bridge since with the track record of that genre it is doubtful that they will make any female superheroine films (let alone another Catwoman) any time soon.

[Chris Wallace]

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Sorry; couldn't resist.

[BobJM]

When CINO came out (and actually still to this day) I enjoy it for what it is, but obviously hate the fact that it reminds me of the opportunity wasted.

If Catwoman appears in BB3 or even if she doesn't, I would kill for a new spin off film.

[Hypestyle]

hmm.. is the film available in an unrated version?

[p4poetic]

So...you're saying that it wasn't a box office success.....and that's okay? Cute. Really Cute.

Now we're going to pretend that the DVD rentals/sales have made 55 million dollars (the amount the film lost in the box office). Fine. However, you do know that DVDs don't grow on trees, right? They cost money to produce, distribute and promote, just like the film itself. On top of that, the rental profits belogn more to the rental store than to the studio.

In the year 2099, Catwoman may FINALLY break even... maybe.

As for the thing about female superhero flicks, Catwoman, Elektra, Aeon Flux, Red Sonja and Ultraviolet didn't fail because they starred female heroes....they faled because they were awful films.

When Hollywood stops treating female leads as sex objects, and they start writing them as strong, interesting characters (something CINO failed to do), then we'll see some success for the ladies. Until then, we're left with whatever Hollywood decides to throw at us.

Kill Bill :up: Although the over the top violence was ridiculous.

[bryanss3]

If they ever put catwoman in a movie again(which I hope they do) I'd like her to just wear the costume she wears in the comics. its a very practical costume for sneaky thief character in films... aside from it having cat ears.

[Doctor Jones]

People actually like this movie?

My God....

[RockyBatboa]

"The Catwoman appreciatioin thread"????......:whatever:

O.K-i'll bite.

I'm appreciative for two reasons, basically.

1.) The film came and went five years ago.

2.) I'm also appreciative that the film was a total failure for all concerned, that WB still hasnt made their money back, Berry's and Stone's careers were burnt to dust, ect., ect.

LONG DIE CINO!!!

[BobJM]

I'd hardly say that Berry's career "burnt to dust"

[Jack Bauer]

If they decided to do another Catwoman film I suggest they should hire Loeb as writer then hire Shawnee Smith as Catwoman. If you don't believe me, see for yourself:


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[RockyBatboa]

I'd hardly say that Berry's career "burnt to dust"


Then, Dont say it then...

She's made, what, one film since CINO, the Willis flick, and it flopped too.

Yeah, it's safe to say Berry's time in the limelight is done. It's her own fault, she was making poor choices long before the cino travesty....baps, gothicka, ect.

[RockyBatboa]

If they decided to do another Catwoman film I suggest they should hire Loeb as writer then hire Shawnee Smith as Catwoman. If you don't believe me, see for yourself:


http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/39435-4955-44371-1-catwoman_super.jpghttp://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u168/DemonDownBelow/Monster%20Mania%20Conventions/Shawneegfdl.png

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3171/2809201582_8d23bea63a.jpg
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hey, jack

Loeb is a pretty good choice. He's already got the screen-writing credits (teen wolf, commando) and he's wrote some pretty good catwoman (When in rome, the long halloween)

I'm pretty sure smith could do the role justice too. Maybe Nolan will include catwoman in Batman 3 , and WB will greenlight a spinoff catwoman movie from the nolan series. I think Nolan could do the character of Catwoman justice easily.

Btw, i was just scrolling the back pages of this thread, and saw my old buddy shinlyle making short work of that stiff dunn1 AKA Act of Insanity, and it brought back some great memories of two years back when this terd was released in theaters....

How's good ol Shin doing?

[Manic]

She also did Things We Lost in the Fire, which I hear was decent.

[Manic]

By the way, are either of you being sarcastic when you say Loeb should be hired to write Catwoman?

[Captainhulk]

The movie was total crap and this thread is total crap.

[The Shadow]

lol. Okay, the movie in my opinion wasn't very good (at all). I mean, the storyline...a little....rediculous? Like a woman decides to investigate a cosmetic plant and ends up falling out of a tunnel thing, off a cliff, gets licked by some cats (horrible cgi by the way) and decides, what the heck I think I'll fight bad guys. I'll start by beating up my neighbors who won't turn their music down. So bad story-line, they forgot to make her white (as in the comics [ I'm not racist] ), the special effects were horrible, and the costume was nothing like it should be as was here secret identity. So, I really don't like it too much. I prefer michelle pfieffer's catwoman. : ) But, if you like it that your opinion/problem. Lol

[Phatman]

This thread is still Here? It's been five years since this movie epic failed at the box office taking everyone except for Alex Borstien and Benjamin Bratt to career hades. Halle hasn't had a hit since, Sharon Stone can't get arrested, and Pitof, well, Mr. Jean Christopher Comar is probably going down to the check cash place on Crenshaw to collect his county check right about now.

I had the displeasure of watching CINO on YouTube a few months ago to see how bad it was. I didn't pay anything and I STILL want my money back. This movie blows like Ravioli farts. If the words Epic Fail had a definition, a picture of the CINO movie poster would be right next to it.

Outside of MST3K parties, with its brother movie Batman & Robin there's no need to even think about this movie.

The black hole on this disaster finished imploding when Batman Began in 2005 and The Dark Knight went on the run in Gotham in 2008. I can't wait for the third installment of the Nolan Goyer Franchise.