The Official WONDER WOMAN Discussion Thread

[Manic]

#600 retro-numbering is the new #1 relaunch.

[Varient]

Sorry.
But I liked the current Arc.

[TheComicbookKid]

^No need to apologize for liking it.

Recovering, DiDio remarked that Gail Simone is telling epic stories in “Wonder Woman,” and mentioned that DC is looking at renumbering the upcoming “Wonder Woman” #45, scheduled for next June, to #600.

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22745


Whatever. Even he doesn't believe that, otherwise he'd be pushing the book harder. Not just when he's asked about it. And certainly not making jokes about showing more of WW's body.

[TheCorpulent1]

Recovering, DiDio remarked that Gail Simone is telling epic stories in “Wonder Woman,” and mentioned that DC is looking at renumbering the upcoming “Wonder Woman” #45, scheduled for next June, to #600.

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22745
DC's getting in on that action now too, huh? I like renumberings to big numbers rather than relaunches to smaller numbers, though, so I'm cool with it.

[Manic]

Which comic do you think will be next to get renumbered? My money's on Flash, once they combine Wally's issues with Barry's issues.

[TheCorpulent1]

Wouldn't it be funny if they renumbered Flash but left Wally's series out of the new count? :hehe:

[CConn]

Well, that would make sense, wouldn't it?

But yeah, it's awesome Wonder Woman's numbering is getting reupped. It's what the character, and the title (which is actually REALLY good) deserves.

Now all we need is GL to get his rightful numbering.

[TheCorpulent1]

No, it wouldn't make sense. The comic's called The Flash, not The Barry Allen or The Wally West or The Jay Garrick. Every comic called "The Flash" should count toward its numbering--Jay's series, Barry's series, Wally's series, and even Bart's series (although that one was technically called "The Flash: Fastest Man Alive," so I'm not sure if DC would count it).

[Manic]

Like Bart's dozen issues count. DC would just round to the nearest hundred.

[spark627]

^No need to apologize for liking it.




Whatever. Even he doesn't believe that, otherwise he'd be pushing the book harder. Not just when he's asked about it. And certainly not making jokes about showing more of WW's body.

To be fair, he has never pushed Wonder Woman under any writer. He only ever speaks about Wonder Woman if asked. Really, he doesn't promote any female characters. He has barely mentioned the new Batgirl, you would think he be pushing the new series.

[TheCorpulent1]

Stephanie wasn't around for the Silver Age, so I'm sure he's not interested.

[Manic]

He would've promoted the hell out of Batgirl if she turned out to be Bette, though.

[CConn]

No, it wouldn't make sense. The comic's called The Flash, not The Barry Allen or The Wally West or The Jay Garrick. Every comic called "The Flash" should count toward its numbering--Jay's series, Barry's series, Wally's series, and even Bart's series (although that one was technically called "The Flash: Fastest Man Alive," so I'm not sure if DC would count it).
No, no. I mean it would make sense in what they've decided to do in having each Flash have his own volume. Whether you personally agree with that decision is another matter entirely.

[Varient]

^No need to apologize for liking it.




Whatever. Even he doesn't believe that, otherwise he'd be pushing the book harder. Not just when he's asked about it. And certainly not making jokes about showing more of WW's body.

Well,..
The people I talk to in person have a LOW opinion of the current WonderWoman,... And I've been just quietly reading and enjoying.

Since it has been inferred on these boards that I have no clue as to what is a good comic or character,... (No offense taken by me - I like what I like.) I didn't want a flame for just admitting I'm liking this current "gurls nite out" arc.

Black Canary is a character I kinda waffle on,... the same way I do Batman. They get into stuff that would maim a kryptonian or a Lantern and walk away only slightly mussed.

In fact she's Diana's Batman to her Superman.

[spark627]

I liked this arc and I have liked Gail's run overall. There have been great moments but I wouldn't label it all as 'great'... yet. There are some confusing aspects, loooong storylines, unanswered questions, etc. It all still feels like build up (building up a huge story and change as well as building up WW as a character after Heinberg and Picoult temporarily ruined her) so I will wait and see what happens. Either way, I will never not read WW. :)

[Varient]

I liked this arc and I have liked Gail's run overall. There have been great moments but I wouldn't label it all as 'great'... yet. There are some confusing aspects, loooong storylines, unanswered questions, etc. It all still feels like build up (building up a huge story and change as well as building up WW as a character after Heinberg and Picoult temporarily ruined her) so I will wait and see what happens. Either way, I will never not read WW. :)

"Like" is the right word here.
I really wish I had most of my comics in this catagory,.. but some people at the major comic companies think that most readers want to go from high to high with an occasional dip in the gutter.

Wonderwoman going after Sgt Steel and dealing with the Island God of War was a nice touch,... esp with Canary along as "human interp".

I was kinda lost at why she and Nemisis could even stand each other - but I accepted that as part of the storylines - So their breaking up doesn't bother me.

[TheCorpulent1]

I wasn't sure why that relationship existed. Diana courted Nemesis, then they talked to Hippolyta about, then friggin' nothing happened and I thought Simone forgot about it, then Diana confessed she just wanted Nemesis as a babymaker, and then they broke up. I'm really not sure what I'm supposed to pull from that. Diana's emotionally stunted? Diana really wants to be a mom? What? :huh:

[spark627]

"Like" is the right word here.
I really wish I had most of my comics in this catagory,.. but some people at the major comic companies think that most readers want to go from high to high with an occasional dip in the gutter.

Wonderwoman going after Sgt Steel and dealing with the Island God of War was a nice touch,... esp with Canary along as "human interp".

I was kinda lost at why she and Nemisis could even stand each other - but I accepted that as part of the storylines - So their breaking up doesn't bother me.

Their relationship was forced by Heinberg. Gail is the first person to make some of it. The best thing I can say about Gail's run so far is that all the crappy storylines she was giving have been handled really well. She has fixed a lot stupid storylines.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's true. She's definitely restored Wonder Woman to a point where I'm not embarrassed to say I'm reading her comic. I was thinking about dropping it before the Black Canary arc because "Rise of the Olympian" was fairly weak, but I guess I'll continue with it now in the hopes that Simone keeps chipping away all the crap that mired Diana for so long.

[spark627]

I wasn't sure why that relationship existed. Diana courted Nemesis, then they talked to Hippolyta about, then friggin' nothing happened and I thought Simone forgot about it, then Diana confessed she just wanted Nemesis as a babymaker, and then they broke up. I'm really not sure what I'm supposed to pull from that. Diana's emotionally stunted? Diana really wants to be a mom? What? :huh:


Heinberg set up the relationship which was very forced. Basically we find out (thanks to Gail) that Tom was worthy to be her mate (she never claimed to love him) and I think her goal was to bring new life to Themyscira. Which explains the lack of love the readers saw. Genocide used this knowledge to hurt Diana and Tom.

In the end, Diana really doesn't know how to handle a relationship. After all of that she asks him to take a shower with her (bc while she didn't love, she was attracted to him in some way), she clearly is clueless in this area. I think Diana does want kids, maybe not now though. I think she felt obligated to bring new life to her people.

[Manic]

I'm going to miss Tomana (Dianom? Wonemesis? Dom Trince?), but only because Simone took a few moments to show that Tom was going out of his way to be one of Diana's people. He learned to cross his arms and bow, and I think he even called himself an Amazon once or twice. In hindsight, Simone didn't show much indication that Diana was into Tom. At all.

[spark627]

That's true. She's definitely restored Wonder Woman to a point where I'm not embarrassed to say I'm reading her comic. I was thinking about dropping it before the Black Canary arc because "Rise of the Olympian" was fairly weak, but I guess I'll continue with it now in the hopes that Simone keeps chipping away all the crap that mired Diana for so long.

Exactly.

Diana Prince was powerless, now Diana Prince is gone.

Hippolyte acted a damn fool in AA, now we saw her repent and punish herself.

WW's killing Max seemed to come out of nowhere, now we Diana has a dark side and where it comes from.

DMA kinda sucks, Gail blew it up.

WW had no friends, Etta shows up as a supporting character. We get Steve back, Donna, Dinah etc.

No more Amazons... Amazons return.

The Gods are back.

ETC

I mostly like Gail's run bc she is bringing back all the elements that make WW great that previous writers destroyed.

[spark627]

I'm going to miss Tomana (Dianom? Wonemesis? Dom Trince?), but only because Simone took a few moments to show that Tom was going out of his way to be one of Diana's people. He learned to cross his arms and bow, and I think he even called himself an Amazon once or twice. In hindsight, Simone didn't show much indication that Diana was into Tom. At all.


Exactly. Tom was (obviously) very into Diana but Diana NEVER made a claim of love. I think it was a very clever way of handling a forced romance.

[TheCorpulent1]

Exactly.

Diana Prince was powerless, now Diana Prince is gone.

Hippolyte acted a damn fool in AA, now we saw her repent and punish herself.

WW's killing Max seemed to come out of nowhere, now we Diana has a dark side and where it comes from.

DMA kinda sucks, Gail blew it up.

WW had no friends, Etta shows up as a supporting character. We get Steve back, Donna, Dinah etc.

No more Amazons... Amazons return.

The Gods are back.

ETC

I mostly like Gail's run bc she is bringing back all the elements that make WW great that previous writers destroyed.
Right, except she's exiled and renounces Zeus in "Rise of the Olympian," so we're kind of back to where we started. Her only friends until Etta gets out of the hospital are those gorillas (who are admittedly awesome). Plus, the gods are all weird now.

[spark627]

Right, except she's exiled and renounces Zeus in "Rise of the Olympian," so we're kind of back to where we started. Her only friends until Etta gets out of the hospital are those gorillas (who are admittedly awesome). Plus, the gods are all weird now.

I really think Ares is responsible for a lot. I think he was disguised as Zeus a lot during ROTO which explains Zeus' actions... and I think Diana (temporarily) killed the actual Zeus, not Ares. Just a hunch, we will see. Diana will def be part of the Amazons again though.

[Anubis]

Wasn't Zues always an A-hole though? Him being an A-hole now should kinda be in character. I don't know, I haven't read it, so I don't know.

[TheComicbookKid]

I really think Ares is responsible for a lot. I think he was disguised as Zeus a lot during ROTO which explains Zeus' actions... and I think Diana (temporarily) killed the actual Zeus, not Ares. Just a hunch, we will see. Diana will def be part of the Amazons again though.

Wasn't Zues always an A-hole though? Him being an A-hole now should kinda be in character. I don't know, I haven't read it, so I don't know.

You do need to read the run. On one hand, it sounds lame if that's the revelation but I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case either. There was some kind of amnesia event with the Gods, but it didn't point to the Gods switching bodies. But it would explain why Athena felt the need to pull her stunt.

[BrianWilly]

He's always been an A-hole, but rarely an insane A-hole. We're meant to think there's something really wrong with him at the moment.

There's always been a weird dichotomy between Diana and Zeus. He's not the one who created her, or the Amazons; her actual goddesses (and Hermes) are the ones who did that. And when that turned out to be a spectacular success, he kinda just stepped in and claimed a bunch of that credit for an idea that he wasn't even that fond of at first. And then tried to rape Diana, but that's another story. Diana's got a lot more to do and has more in common with the other gods than with Zeus, and yet she sort of just has to worship him because he's King of the gods. He's her god as proxy, basically.

And yet she shouldn't even have to do that anymore, considering that Athena took his throne in the Rucka run. So it's all very confusing at the moment. I wish one character or another would just come out and say, "Wait, this is all very confusing, we should figure out what's going on," except no one seems to suspect there's something more at play at the moment.

All that being said, though, I also enjoyed the last two issues far more than RotO. I don't like how Simone writes Diana so mean sometimes, as Corp put it -- threatening to castrate a guy over in Secret Six? What? -- but that was mostly underplayed here. I liked the thing with Pele. I think it's setting up something truly remarkable here.

My theory -- that I'm basing off of nothing really but my own gut and interpretation of where the story leading -- is that by the end of all this Diana isn't just going to be a champion of the Olympian gods, but a champion of all gods, ambassador and uniter of all pantheons. There's something going on with...the ichor...and Diana having Zeus' power at the moment.

(Interestingly, Diana's bracelets were originally made from the pieces of Zeus' Aegis, so that may explain some of it as well)

[TheComicbookKid]

And yet she shouldn't even have to do that anymore, considering that Athena took his throne in the Rucka run. So it's all very confusing at the moment. I wish one character or another would just come out and say, "Wait, this is all very confusing, we should figure out what's going on," except no one seems to suspect there's something more at play at the moment.
Dude, I was screaming for someone to do that during ROTO. For someone supposed the best strategist in the JLA, Diana was just running head first into every situation. She didn't even bother with why some of this stuff didn't gel. Especially Athena.


My theory -- that I'm basing off of nothing really but my own gut and interpretation of where the story leading -- is that by the end of all this Diana isn't just going to be a champion of the Olympian gods, but a champion of all gods, ambassador and uniter of all pantheons. There's something going on with...the ichor...and Diana having Zeus' power at the moment.

I think this is all leading back towards how Genocide was created in the first place. I don't think Genny is Diana's soul, just her body. Echoing the Ends of the Earth story with soul stealing. I'm still not sure who is in Genny's body, but I would think it's Alkyone or her soon to be child. "No Home" being the a sign of something bad happening on the island.

[hippie_hunter]

DiDio makes it official, in this week's DC Nation he announces that if he gets 600 postcards, Wonder Woman will be renumbered to 600

If you're wondering who I'm talking about, well wonder no more. It's Wonder Woman, the First Lady of DC comics. And for the last few months I have been engaged in a rather interesting discussion about this great character and the ways to make sure she gets all the respect she deserves. In case you didn't know, there is a group of Wonder Woman fans who feel that her ongoing series needs the numbering that would be reflective of her time and stature in the industry. After all, both Superman and Batman are closing in on issue 700, and Wonder Woman, being an integral part of our trinity, should be right up there with them.

Not a bad argument. These fans felt so strongly about this, they even started a mail-in postcard campaign to plead their case. They did the math, adding the numbering of all of Wonder Woman's ongoing series, and determined that issue 45 of the current run will be her 600th issue.

As a counterpoint, I have stated that I believe the current numbering (almost 40 now) is more inviting to the casual fan who might want to come in and sample a series without feeling like the story is weighed down by over 65 years of history.

Not a bad argument either, I think. I mean, so much attention lately has been placed on landmark issues and anniversary books, and they seem to be popping up all over the place. I guess it's to draw attention to how important they are. As for me, I say two things are needed to make a book important: great characters and great creators. With Wonder Woman, we got both. We know we have a great character, and with the incredible team of Gail Simone and Aaron Lopresti, I know we have the great creators as well.

Still… it is kinda fun to celebrate anniversaries.

So, for all you Wonder Woman fans out there, here's the deal: 600 postcards for a 600th issue. (And please no multiple mailings; they will be counted as one.)

It's that simple. If the demand and desire is there, then speak out, and I promise you will be heard. I think we all agree on one thing: Wonder Woman is the greatest female character there is, and she deserves nothing less.

To be continued.

DD

http://www.dccomics.com/dcu/news/?cat=5877

[TheComicbookKid]

It'll happen no matter what. If the sales continue downward, he'll put the 600 number on there just for the sales spike.

[TheCorpulent1]

I guess I'll go buy a postcard today. I love seeing publishers bring back original numberings. Wonder Woman's been around for decades and it'd be nice to see her comic's numbering reflect that.

[BrianWilly]

I've never sent a single postcard in my life. I don't even really understand how it works.

[TheCorpulent1]

You write stuff on it--preferably a destination address--and then you put a stamp on it and drop it in one of those big blue mailboxes you see on street corners next to the hookers.

[Anubis]

And while you're at it, rent a hooker.

[BrianWilly]

Why can't I just send him an e-mail or something Christ hookers this is so confusing :argh:

[TheCorpulent1]

It was only a matter of time before the masturbation smiley showed up when hookers entered the conversation.

[Manic]

Why can't I just send him an e-mail or something Christ hookers this is so confusing :argh:
*gasp!* There's an angry fist-shaking smilie now?! Oh, I'm gonna abuse the hell out of that one.




CURSE YOU, MERCIFUL POSEIDON! :argh:

[BrianWilly]

Issue 36 preview (http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2009/09/23/diana-continues-to-feel-the-aftershocks-from-the-rise-of-the-olympian-in-wonder-woman-36/).

Great. Diana has become a retarded Hawkman. :doh:

But hey, the art is becoming very very better. They must've gotten a new colorist or inker for Lopresti.

[Anubis]

I wonder if Giganta is dating the Atom again? The Asian one. Or did they kill him off cuz anybody not created during the silver age must go?

[BrianWilly]

He's still alive and kicking. He was last seen being justice with Ray.

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't know why you were so worked up until I hit the last page and realized Wonder Woman just randomly decided to kick Giganta's ass for no real reason. That's definitely Hawkman territory. :csad:

[sethcohen]

women can be irrational when theyre dumped...

[Lobo]

I hope the gods she denounced are effing with her head, and that's why she is acting like a retarded *****

[TheCorpulent1]

women can be irrational when theyre dumped...
I suppose for that to be believable to me in this case, I'd have to have even the slightest shred of emotional investment in her and Nemesis. Thanks to the terrible/neglectful handling of their relationship, I do not.

[Anubis]

You know, I can't really believe that someone like Giganta would be, like out on parole or anything at the time. Even if she was, she very recently tried to kill her with a bunch of other people. She kinda deserves an ass whippin' or at the very least getting her date ruined.

[hippie_hunter]

The post card tally is currently at 324

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2009/09/25/weekly-wonder-woman-tally-316/

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, I forgot to send one. I should do that.

[hippie_hunter]

Same here. I'll pick up a post card sometime this week I guess.

[BrianWilly]

A surprisingly good issue! I loved Giganta here, and there's a truckload of good story and dialogue. Do try and keep it up, Simone.

Sure she starts out kinda retarded Hawkman, but at the end of the issue Diana actually feels like she's in her element. Edumacating Achilles about the reality of the world, she comes off really intelligent and compassionate and not at all naive, it sort of feels like the old Rucka Diana again for a shining moment.

Oh and I'm pretty sure Achilles is gay as a rabbit.

:angry:: "There will be no physical congress."
:o: "Of course not! I would never...I don't even..."

[TheCorpulent1]

Gail Simone talks at great length about Artemis (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23142)

[spark627]

Gail Simone didn't write that, Mars Getsoian did

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, my bad. It's Simone's column, but I guess she just posted someone else's analysis of Artemis for it.

[BrianWilly]

Huh. I recognize that writer. She posts regularly on Scans Daily. I always thought she way over-analyzed WW stuff to the point of just finding **** that really wasn't there on the page, (rocks and glass houses, I know :awesome:) but you say she's writing on Simone's column?

Lucky bastard.

:argh:

The Artemis article is pretty good, in any case.

[TheCorpulent1]

I liked the article, although I wasn't aware that Artemis was supposed to be super-loyal to Diana. I only got acquainted with her during Rucka's run and I think Byrne's run (the part where she took over as Wonder Woman for Diana), so I was used to her as a fierce but honorable warrior who wasn't afraid to challenge the oh-so-perfect Diana. That's part of why I liked her in the first place.

[hippie_hunter]

The Wonder Woman #600 tally is at 465.

Also, Gail Simone confirms that DC is considering a Wonder Woman: Secret Origins and she wants it to happen

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=289242

[Tron Bonne]

Have they done a Wonder Woman: Year One story before? Maybe they could call it that instead, though I guess it wouldn't matter

[BrianWilly]

Yes, they have. It was called "Wonder Woman Vol. 1: Gods and Mortals," written by George Perez.

No power on this supple planet will ever convince me otherwise.

[hippie_hunter]

Have they done a Wonder Woman: Year One story before? Maybe they could call it that instead, though I guess it wouldn't matter

Yes, they have. It was called "Wonder Woman Vol. 1: Gods and Mortals," written by George Perez.

No power on this supple planet will ever convince me otherwise.

Yeah, but Infinite Crisis dramatically changed Wonder Woman's origins from appearing after COIE to being a founding member of the JLA. Out of everyone in DC's stable that needs a new origin, Wonder Woman is #1.

[BrianWilly]

No, not really. If the only discrepancy in all twenty years of her post-Crisis history is JLA-related, then it's hardly worth bothering with...much less a dramatic change. No other "Year One" or "Secret Origin" we've seen has even touched on the JLA anyway, because it's so filled with contradictions in the first place.

If it's really that big a deal, then just make a JLA: Year One. Oh wait they did that already.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm curious about Hippolyta's history more than Diana's. Was Hippolyta still technically the first Wonder Woman during World War 2 now that Earth-2 Diana is back in continuity? Is she still pals with the JSA? We haven't really seen Hippolyta with any major characters other than Diana since The Event That Shall Not Be Named.

[BrianWilly]

In one of the issues tying Pfeifer's run with Simone's, Wildcat asked Diana if she knew how "Polly" was doing. So that history is still there, mangled though it may be.

[CLARKY]

A surprisingly good issue! I loved Giganta here, and there's a truckload of good story and dialogue. Do try and keep it up, Simone.
Same here, it was great. The fight with Giganta was not so out of character since she needed someone to punch anyway. I found Diana really clever in this issue. I loved the "fight a battle to prevent a battle" thing. :up: that was clever. I enjoyed the scene with Achille but honestly Amazons do not know what they want. Do not want to be macho here but come on. the guy was nice and sugar, and was immediately threatened that there WON'T be any physical contact, well, OK, fine, agreed, and when he does so, agrees and respect the girl, she just dumps him anyway. Wow, what a sick attitude :down
About Diana's love interest, I did like Nemesis, I thought it was a good idea, but I thought G.Simone could have been further than than, and giving him an amazon blessing was really making the character richer, I think he is like Steve Trevor was back in the day. I think their relationship is exactly like the book : it is good but why make it so confusing.
Quite honestly, in general, I do not enjoy Giganta as a bad girl, I think it is difficult t write her, and honestly I do see his potential. What I enjoyed thus, was Giganta part of the "good" guys. I think it is a good idea and that there is potential for that. Not clearly good, but along those lines.

It may be odd but after the 2 issues with Black Canary, and this issue, I feel like nothing really important happened between "The Circle" and now. The whole Genocide thing ? bah.
Good issue for me.

[TheCorpulent1]

In one of the issues tying Pfeifer's run with Simone's, Wildcat asked Diana if she knew how "Polly" was doing. So that history is still there, mangled though it may be.
Okay. No Secret Origin needed, then. Diana probably has one of the cleanest, most intact backstories in the DC universe at this point.

[Anubis]

Oh, they'll find a way to cram a new one in.

[Manic]

After Perez's run, I don't think anyone dared to touch Wonder Woman's origin until Simone did The Circle. Even then, she didn't add anything to Diana's birth so much as she said someone tried to kill her the next night, and Hippolyta put them down because the queen sleeps with a sword under her pillow. God, I love Hippolyta sometimes.

The people surrounding Wonder Woman are the ones who need Secret Origin books. A Secret Origin couldn't hurt Hippolyta, and Donna needs one like an addict needs a hit.

[TheCorpulent1]

A Wonder Woman: Secret Origin could rightly cover all three of them, since they've all held the title.

[Manic]

It had better be one thick as hell comic, because Donna's origin alone could fill a miniseries.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know why they don't just wipe all the extraneous bulls*** out and simplify her origin already.

[Manic]

Even worse, it gets more complicated each time they mention it. Didn't they make Harbinger an alternate Donna, and say that all of the lives she was forced to live were actually just memories collected from Donnas across the old multiverse?

[TheCorpulent1]

What's really necessary for Donna's origin, anyway? Orphan rescued from a fire and brought to Themyscira, develops powers like Diana's, and returns to Man's World to found the Teen Titans. They should probably keep the Titans of myth and Terry Long in her backstory as well. That's about it.

[Manic]

Yeah, but it's established that Donna and Diana look identical (or nearly identical). They'd have to keep the part of her origin that says she's a reborn copy of Diana.

[TheCorpulent1]

F*** that. All women in comics look almost identical. Ignore the references that say so and just claim that they look similar. Who the hell ever thought it was a good idea to make Donna a literal copy of Diana, anyway? Way to diminish a character. :o

[Drz]

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2009/10/06/change-at-dc-the-creative-lineup/

Another mention of Morrison writing Wonder Woman, maybe we finally ger her all-star serie. :)

[spark627]

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2009/10/06/change-at-dc-the-creative-lineup/

Another mention of Morrison writing Wonder Woman, maybe we finally ger her all-star serie. :)


Adam Hughes is currently working on ASWW... I have no idea what Morrison could be working on

[Drz]

Hmm allrighty then! Maybe he will get to the main title or something? Or continue on ASWW? Like if Adam does the 1st arc or something. Anyhow is anyone else abit annoyed how Geoff and Morrison are put in SO many comics? I mean for Morrison who has this really creative mind, it makes me worried his stories get less passionaite when he has 3 projects to write. >_>

[spark627]

Hmm allrighty then! Maybe he will get to the main title or something? Or continue on ASWW? Like if Adam does the 1st arc or something. Anyhow is anyone else abit annoyed how Geoff and Morrison are put in SO many comics? I mean for Morrison who has this really creative mind, it makes me worried his stories get less passionaite when he has 3 projects to write. >_>


Keep in mind that this is just a rumor... I really don't think this will happen as the article says. I think Morrison might write a Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman book but maybe not the main one.

[TheCorpulent1]

Adam Hughes writes?

[spark627]

Adam Hughes writes?


He does at least for ASWW, I am not sure about the past though. He is writing and doing the art, hence the amount of time it has taken.

[BrianWilly]

Putting Morrison on a second Wonder Woman book would be wonderful. (It's a good adjective for the situation, shut up :(). Pulling Simone off of Wonder Woman and replacing her with Morrison within the next year, or maybe even two, would be the stupidest thing ever. There, I said it. Simone's run may have had some horrible roadbumps, but it's still shaping up to be a solid, worthy run in the long-term. Sales aren't headliner quality (as per usual for the character), but they're steady if unremarkable. To gank Simone off the title right when the plots and intrigues are gaining steam and heading for the payoff would be completely ridiculous. Yeah sure, let's cut this story right down the middle for the guy whose self-admitted interest in Wonder Woman is, to put it lightly, experimental at very best.

[TheCorpulent1]

I agree. Simone has some good ideas. Her recent ones haven't been among them, but the Circle was a fantabulous addition to the Amazon community and the gorillas are a surprisingly fun supporting cast. I think Simone is still in the process of figuring out what works and what doesn't for Diana, so taking her off now or relatively soon would be dumb.

[BrianWilly]

I mean, look, if it were...oh I dunno, Rucka as the potential replacement, I'd be all "Woman, move the **** aside now plzkthx." Yes, I'm just that much of a hypocrite. But Morrison? I heart Morrison, but I wish I had never heard his soundbite (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/010928-Grant-Final-Crisis.html) admitting how he couldn't find a way to write WW well. Christ, "Bondage and disturbed sexuality?" That's what he found when he tried to search for the core of the character? You kidding me? What, did he peruse "All Star Comics #8" and then call it a day?

In any case, the idea that DC comics is restructuring their, erm, infrastructure is very encouraging. I like a lot of the books right now, certainly more than I did a year ago, but it's plain what they've got right now is only barely hanging on, and needs to change.

[TheCorpulent1]

The last time he decided to explore superhero sexuality was Wildcats. We only got one issue of his and Lee's 'run,' but I have to say, I didn't really enjoy it much. It was really experimental and abstract and just not really that fun. I don't really care if that's shallow; I read comics to enjoy the characters, not to find treatises that peel back the layers of superhuman sexuality.

[BrianWilly]

I think he was trying to do for WW what he did for Batman RIP and ASS, (...:awesome:?) as in take elements of the old stories that are usually ignored or considered embarrassing and make them pretty ****ing awesome. Only, any WW fan could have told him that was a doomed endeavor.

It was such a missed opportunity too, because the real core of Wonder Woman -- her focus on change and progress and uplifting mankind beyond its base conditions -- fits Morrison like a glove, particularly for the theme of Final Crisis. And it isn't that he didn't try to educate himself, it's that he specifically went looking for that exact idea and, for some inexplicable reason, came away with outdated pre-Crisis bull**** instead.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's probably because Wonder Woman's had the most radical change to her character. Superman and Batman have had tonal shifts over the years, but their cores have remained relatively stable. Wonder Woman had a total shift from Marston's early ideas to a much more modern take on feminism and equality and into her current form of being an agent of progress. Morrison probably feels like the earlier stuff has just been buried without being properly addressed.

[Anubis]

But how do you explore such concepts? She hooks up with Deadshot and they get into some S&M stuff.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know, but I suspect it would involve lesbianism in Themyscira somehow.

[BrianWilly]

Click for boobies Wonder Woman #37 preview (http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2009/10/28/its-diana-vs-the-amazons-in-wonder-woman-37/)

I'll say it: other than the last issue which could very well be a fluke, I vastly prefer Chang to Lopresti.

[TheCorpulent1]

Man, Diana sure is naked there. Apparently pajamas aren't part of the modern world that Diana's adopted.

Chang's art is great. I like that he gives Diana more Greek features. Should be fun to get Ares back in the series in what appears to (finally) be a non-sucky way.

[CaptainCanada]

In the Perez era the Amazons never bothered with pajamas and such (which makes sense for them, culturally).

I like both Chang and Lopresti, but I think I like Lopresti more (though Chang's GL fight remains the series' best fight scene).

[trustyside-kick]

So I decided to pick up Issue 37 because I knew recently Achilles was in the title and grew curious. What issue starts the current storyline? How many issues back do I gotta go to fully understand what's going on?

[TheCorpulent1]

You'd have to go all the way back through the "Rise of the Olympian" arc to really understand what's going on. Basically, the gods returned and Zeus resurrected a bunch of male warriors to join the Amazons with Achilles as the Amazons' new king. Wonder Woman refused to accept her mother's abdication of the throne and was exiled from Themyscira. Oh, and somewhere in there, Wonder Woman killed Ares by slicing his head open with an axe and now he's apparently haunting her dreams.

[trustyside-kick]

Which issue number starts "Rise of the Olympian"?

[TheCorpulent1]

#26, I think, but I'm not 100% sure.

[CaptainCanada]

It was #26, but the paperback of the story is out (remarkably timely for DC's trade department) if you're looking to check it out.

[spider-neil]

can someone please post what issue zeus and the other left and where they went to?

[BrianWilly]

Zeus didn't leave, unless you're talking about the time all the Olympians were gone before "Rise of the Olympian." The were on Apokolips, being held prisoner by Granny Goodness. And we were never actually shown how they were taken, we just saw them as prisoners. It was during Countdown/Amazons Attack so, yes, it's all incredibly convoluted and no one can make any sense of it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Didn't the gods actually leave before that, in the build-up to Infinite Crisis? For no real reason? Zeus was just like, "Skygod out. Later Amazizzles!"

[Manic]

Yeah, the Olympians basically pulled a Nibbler during Infinite Crisis. "EVERYONE OUT OF THE UNIVERSE, QUICK!"

[BrianWilly]

Ohhhhh, that. Yeah that was in Infinite Crisis #3 and/or Wonder Woman #225.

[Drz]

So how are the Gods in DC universe compared to Marvels? Please don't take this as DC vs. Marvel but im really just a big noob when it comes to the gods. I only know about Thor and Ares from Marvel, and about DC's Ares and Hades thru JLU cartoon, but to me it seems the DC designs for Hades and Ares are just overgrown spartans with skull armor? Isn't that abit... Eh i guess i'm just excepting monster-men like in the GoW serie. ^^;

[TheCorpulent1]

Ohhhhh, that. Yeah that was in Infinite Crisis #3 and/or Wonder Woman #225.
Yeah, then they showed up somewhere else--52, I want to say--and we were all like "da fug?" but it turned out to be Granny Goodness in disguise. Then they all just randomly came back in space suits in the current volume of Wonder Woman and started making all kinds of retarded changes to the Themysciran way of life.

[Manic]

So how are the Gods in DC universe compared to Marvels? Please don't take this as DC vs. Marvel but im really just a big noob when it comes to the gods. I only know about Thor and Ares from Marvel, and about DC's Ares and Hades thru JLU cartoon, but to me it seems the DC designs for Hades and Ares are just overgrown spartans with skull armor? Isn't that abit... Eh i guess i'm just excepting monster-men like in the GoW serie. ^^;

It varies from pantheon to pantheon, god to god. For example, Hercules in DC is an on-again, off-again villain who brutally raped Wonder Woman's mom. Marvel's Hercules is a hero who is, at worst, a bit of a hound dog who claims he and the amazon queen got it on consensually.

[trustyside-kick]

I liked the way Poseidon and Triton were drawn in the PAD Aquaman run in the 90s. They did not just look like human who could breathe underwater. But when Aquaman went into Tarturus itself to save Poseidon we saw Hades and yea he just looked like a regular Ancient Greek dude.

[BrianWilly]

Yeah it really, really varies, depending on pantheon, era, and writer. In general -- as in a very very general sense of the both universes -- DC gods are slightly more abstract than Marvel gods. As in they're slightly more...um, magical. In practice, this means that most of them can teleport at will, become intangible, transport themselves and others to distant dimensions, appear however they want to appear, perform "miracle"-like effects, and so forth. This is no doubt due to the influence of Vertigo comics on the main DCU.

The most important part of the DC gods that differ from Marvel gods that have mostly remained consistent through the years, though, is that DC/Vertigo gods gain their power directly based on how much relevance they have on the world. Not worship; relevance. When Perez rebooted the WW franchise, Ares was the single most powerful god in Olympus to the point where he eclipsed all other Olympians put together, because the world was so filled with war. The same thing happened during the Our Worlds At War event. During Rucka's run on Wonder Woman, Athena, Ares, and Aphrodite were the three most powerful gods, to the point that Athena took over Olympus and Ares took over the Underworld, with Zeus being a relatively weak power because no one feared the heavens anymore.

I don't believe I've ever seen this rule in effect at Marvel. Thor's ability to slap a b**** does not fluctuate depending on how interested people are in the weather.

(Simone seems to have largely ignored this rule, though, because now everyone's bowing to Zeus again. Lord knows why.)

DC's Heracles is much more of a demigod than a god. I think he did become a full god for a little while during Perez's run when he repented for his crimes, but at some point -- during Byrne's run I think -- he lost full godhood. And then during Heinberg's arc he become a douche again. And then Krul's Wonder Girl series made him into not-a-douche. Who knows what exactly he is at the moment??

Also, I would say that Marvel's version of Ares is much closer than the original Ares from Greek myths, whereas DC's Ares is much more devious and almost trickster-like. He also seems to be much more influenced by the Romans' interpretation of him, aka Mars. Mars and Ares are actually very different gods when you get down to it.

[TheCorpulent1]

There are some references in '70s Thor comics to humanity's perceptions having an effect on Marvel's gods, but not in as literal a sense as DC's. For example, Thor tried in his arrogant youth to conquer the Olympian pantheon and expand the influence of the Norse pantheon, but everything remained the same because the Greeks had no knowledge of nor interest in the Norse gods. Also, when Thor started acquiring worshipers en masse during the King Thor Saga, his power level never changed.

[trustyside-kick]

Speaking of Gods, while some people may have disliked certain things about World War III in 52 I personally LOVED it when Captain Marvel revealed that the Gods that give Black Adam is power wouldn't strip him of his powers because they like enjoyed it or something; hence why Black Adam was so damn hard to stop.

[NightBeetle]

First Look: Blackest Night: Wonder Woman #1 (http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2009/11/25/end-your-week-with-a-look-at-blackest-night-wonder-woman-1/)

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We realize you’re probably scrambling to get everything done in time to jet out of work early and get on with your Thanksgiving, but why not take a moment to look at some lovely BLACKEST NIGHT: WONDER WOMAN #1 artwork from Nicola Scott, who’s pairing with writer Greg Rucka on the three-issue mini-series. See? We knew you’d come around.

[trustyside-kick]

Only real reason I'm checking out BN: WW #1 is because on the cover she is battling Mera. :awesome:

[CaptainCanada]

My thoughts on the current status of the title:

Stuff I like:

- Simone's Diana, for the most part; she's still the best writer I can recall in terms of giving the character an in-character sense of humour. Generally, she sounds right.

- More generally, the characterization of the main cast; poor Donna, a character desperately in need of good scenes these days, is reliably handled here.

- The art; we seem to have settled on Lopresti and Chang as a rotating team, which works extremely well (does Chang draw anything else? Presumably the two issues every six to eight months isn't enough to live on).

Stuff that needs work:

- The more this run goes on, the more I'm convinced that Simone's biggest problem is a serious disconnect between what she's describing conceptually and what she's actually depicting (a milder version of Brian Michael Bendis syndrome), especially as far as characters' power levels go. The Gargareans/Olympians are supposed to be a military force capable of cowing any DCU group into laying down their arms, but from what I've seen of them they'd lose to a single battalion of Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry. Achilles is this in microcosm; he's supposed to be "the greatest warrior who ever lived", with Wonder Woman-level superpowers, but since he was introduced he's fought Diana twice and lost both times, and I can't recall him doing anything impressive. Genocide had the same problem.

- Likewise, while Simone's Diana is a very credible person, if she's supposed to be building Diana up into the DCU's premiere warrior and strategist, which she indicated in interviews was how she saw her, she's not doing a very good job. None of her opponents have been particularly impressive, and on the strategy front especially she's not really done anything apart from engaging her opponents hand-to-hand. The just-out #38 has her moping in prison about how her mother's in danger, but not actually trying to do anything about it.

[Motown Marvel]

i just feel diana is way too confused all the damn time.

[NightBeetle]

Blackest Night: Wonder Woman #1 Preview (http://comics.ign.com/articles/105/1050727p1.html)

http://i48.tinypic.com/2rgjpmc.jpg


Fan-favorite writer Greg Rucka returns to chronicle the adventures of the Amazing Amazon in the DC Universe's darkest hour!

Black Lantern Maxwell Lord has risen and he seeks revenge and retribution for his murder at the hands of Diana. Look for unexpected changes to await Wonder Woman (http://comics.ign.com/objects/743/743901.html) in the course of this series as she plays a major role in the War of Light against the Blackest Night (http://comics.ign.com/objects/143/14300105.html).

[TheCorpulent1]

This is the BN tie-in I'm most looking forward to. I'm really curious to see how Diana fits into it all, since she's supposed to be so important to BN.

[BrianWilly]

Rucka. I love you so much.

Though I will say I actually really liked the recent WW issue. Diana is definitely still too confused or mopey or whatever, but the plot actually made a great deal of sense and people acted like you'd expect people to act.

[Drz]

Didn't know Diana sports with a battleaxe, cool! :D

[TheCorpulent1]

She uses all kinds of weapons whenever anything important is going on. She only slums with her lasso the rest of the time.

[Drz]

If only she could wear a damn skirt instead of those granny panties tho. =p

[Manic]

In all fairness, they're only granny panties half the time. Otherwise, they're bikini bottoms.

[Motown Marvel]

ohhhh Rucka Wonder Woman!!!

[Tron Bonne]

So, how was the Blackest Night tie-in? Didn't have a chance to pick it up this week

[Drz]

It was a fun title, abit of lack of action but we're getting that more in next issue for sure lol. :D Writing was excelent!

[Motown Marvel]

i quite enjoyed BN:WW. I'd love to see Rucka and Nicola be the regular team on the regular title.

[BrianWilly]

It was more simplistic and standalone than I would have preferred, but incredibly well-written nonetheless. Rucka still crafts the very best Diana, better than anything I've read of her in recent memory.

[Drz]

Wonder Woman #600 info (http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2009/12/08/can-you-say-wonder-woman-600/)

[NightBeetle]

:woot:


The response to our call for Wonder Woman postcards was spectacular, and we got the message loud and clear. We asked for 600 and by the Oct 31st cut off, we had an overwhelming 712 postcards (nearly 800 by the time of this writing), so as a man of my word, starting in June 2010, DC’s Wonder Woman series will celebrate its 600th issue and continue on from there. And we promise that Diana’s anniversary issue will be one to remember! There are some big plans in place and big changes in store for our favorite amazon warrior, so keep an eye on The Source in the new year, because we will be breaking the news here first!
To be continued….
DD
–
But that’s not all. We’ll be announcing some major news in relation to Wonder Woman early in 2010, including the roster of all-star artists contributing to the 600th issue. Until then, though, we’ll leave you with the issue’s cover, by none other than George Perez, who (http://www.dccomics.com/dcu/graphic_novels/?gn=1464)’s no (http://www.dccomics.com/dcu/graphic_novels/?gn=2457) stranger (http://www.dccomics.com/dcu/graphic_novels/?gn=4185) to (http://www.dccomics.com/dcu/graphic_novels/?gn=5242) the Amazon Princess.


http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2009/12/ww600var-cvr_fnl.jpg

[sethcohen]

thats like the worst art ive ever seen GP do... usually his art is phenom... :(

[spark627]

thats like the worst art ive ever seen GP do... usually his art is phenom... :(

Yea the cover is kinda disapointing. She looks so old and... ugly. :cmad:

[sethcohen]

its a shame too... all his recent legion work has been fantastic

[Darthphere]

Looks like the same way he always draws Diana.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, her hair's a little less curly than I remember Perez drawing it, but that's pretty much Perez's Wonder Woman. It probably looks weird because the rest of the cover is so empty. Perez's art usually has busier compositions.

[sethcohen]

i dont remember seeing the old lady lookin face on any of his previous art... maybe its just me...

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah, I'm rather disappointed by the Perez cover, but Wonder Woman #600 is freaking awesome!

[TheCorpulent1]

It's about time. It always bugged me that Wonder Woman is supposedly part of DC's all-important "trinity," yet Superman and Batman have absurdly high-numbered series reflecting their venerable histories while Wonder Woman only made it up to a couple hundred after CoIE.

[Motown Marvel]

the only thing weird about WW in that drawing is her smile, its just kinda creepy. but that background is beyond weak.

[NightBeetle]

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2009/12/21/some-more-march-covers-to-get-you-through-the-day/


Some more March covers to get you through the day

The holidays are in full swing, and with that in mind, we decided it’d be nice of us to unveil a few more March covers, all of which will hit later today. Take a look at upcoming covers for WONDER WOMAN, SECRET SIX, DOOM PATROL, JONAH HEX, BOOSTER GOLD and more below.

Wonder Woman #42

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2009/12/ww-cv42.jpg

[BrianWilly]

Oh that is a beaut.

[TheCorpulent1]

She's... Christ, she's spinning, isn't she? Always with the spinning. :doh:

[BrianWilly]

Pfft, so paranoid. Clearly she's being dissected at the waist by...light. Yes, it is a GL crossover after all.

[NightBeetle]

Word Balloon Podcast: The Greg Rucka Debrief, part. 1 - Wonder Woman (http://wordballoon.com/)

In this episode of the Word Balloon podcast it’s time for another 2-part edition of “The Rucka Debrief”, as writer Greg Rucka gives us details on all of his current and future projects.

Strong women have always been a key element of Rucka’s writing and in Part 1 Rucka and host John Siuntres discuss two of the stronger-willed female heroes of the DCU. Rucka’s back writing a brief stint for Wonder Woman in the 3-issue Blackest Night mini-series with artist Nicola Stott and delving into the origins of Kate Kane, the new Batwoman in Detective Comics.

Listen to Rucka discuss the Blackest Night series and hear more details about the writer’s plans for Detective Comics and a possible new Batwoman series (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/091222-Rucka-Williams-new-batwoman.html) in 2010, as first detailed Tuesday on Newsarama.

[BrianWilly]

Hmph. The latest issue was good enough as a regular issue I suppose, but as a cap-off to all these built-up storylines running for months upon years? It was hardly worth the effort of getting to. Simone, I'm sorry, your narrative sucks ass. You are horrible at plotting.

Zeus became crazy because he just...became crazy. Wow what a shock. And now he's kinda sorry about it, oops my bad, I won't do it again, carry on now. Have fun with your new lightning powers that get all of a single panel's explanation.

And apparently the moral of this week's adventure is that everyone just loves Diana and would give their lives for her, despite the fact that she pretty much did nothing of importance during all this.

I feel like Simone had something interesting to say about all these characters involved in all this -- Achilles, Alkyone, Artemis, Hippolyta, Diana, Zeus, Ares, Genocide -- but hell if I actually know what it is. Hopefully she's said whatever it is and got it over with so we can move on with some different stories now.

[TheComicbookKid]

That post makes koalas cry.

[BrianWilly]

And what have koalas ever done for me? They're like Australia's pandas, but slightly less lazy and impotent.

It's just, I've been reading through the Percy Jackson books (shut up, I have to curb my latent pedophilia somehow :cmad:), and it astounds me how incredibly well-written and compelling the Greek gods could be, even from an author with piss-poor storytelling, plot threads that go nowhere and resolve with deafening whimpers, and a grasp of characters and motivations that borders on the infantile. So, really, Simone has no excuse. We've all known from the start that narrative and plotting wasn't her strongest points, but there's no reason that has to drag the rest of the series down like it has.

[Manic]

It's a shame, really. I loved The Circle, and pretty much her entire Birds of Prey run up until OYL.

[phoenixflight]

I am all for WONDER WOMAN 600!!! You go girl!!! She has had 68 years in comic history...her status (numbering) in the DC Universe should reflect that. I really hope they tweak the George Perez cover...I'm glad he is doing it however it lacks power and punch.

[Drz]

So did she get those lightning powers now? And if so, why?

[BrianWilly]

Her bracelets emit Zeus' lightning now, which is absolutely totally in no way at all similar to how Wonder Girl's lasso channeled Zeus' lightning in the past. :awesome:

As to how? Zeus just unlocked the potential that was inherent in her bracelets, since they were forged from pieces of his Aegis in the first place.

[Drz]

Hmm interesting!

[TheCorpulent1]

I dropped Wonder Woman in my recent pull list culling. I'm kind of glad I did now.

[Drz]

Hey Wonder Woman fans! Here's an early taste for Blackest Night: Wonder Woman #2
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/005/9/a/B_N_Wonder_Woman_issue_2_pg4_5_by_Bakanekonei.jpg

Enjoy! And remember! Shes resurrected so you aint a necro! :p

[TheCorpulent1]

Next page: Mera makes a fist out of all that water and knocks Wonder Woman into the next city. :hehe:

[Drz]

Blackest Night: Wonder Woman #2 preview is up! (http://comics.ign.com/articles/105/1058468p1.html)

[Drz]

Another Marvel artist will switch to DC to work with Morrison's Wonder Woman. (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/01/09/dcs-exclusive-war-shifts-focus-to-wonder-woman/)

[Watchman]

Another Marvel artist will switch to DC to work with Morrison's Wonder Woman. (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/01/09/dcs-exclusive-war-shifts-focus-to-wonder-woman/)

:up: First time I'll be buying Wonder Woman.

My guesses would go to Phil Jimenez or Simone Bianchi.

[TheCorpulent1]

Is Morrison now going to write the mainstream Wonder Woman comic, or is this still for the All-Star Wonder Woman (or whatever it would be now that All-Star seems to be dead) thing?

[Drz]

We don't know thats the problem. I doubt Morrison is taking over Gail Simone. It's most likely going to be his own thing, but Adam Hughes is suppose to be trying the all-star imprint for WW so yeah... One of them might do WW: Earth One or maybe Morrison will just call it "Grant Morrison presents: the Grant Morrison Wonder Woman comic featuring Grant Morrison as the writer"

[BrianWilly]

http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-sigh.gif At this point -- despite what I said not so long ago -- I'm ready for someone else, anyone*, to just come on in and take over for Simone. Let her wrap up her remaining plots with one or two arcs, whatever, and call it a day. I think we've squeezed as much out of her as she is capable of producing.

*not Picoult

[NightBeetle]

http://i47.tinypic.com/3518rc7.jpg

WONDER WOMAN #43
On sale APRIL 28 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US
Written by GAIL SIMONE
Art by NICOLA SCOTT & DOUG HAZLEWOOD
Cover by NICOLA Scott
The fan-favorite writer/artist team behind SECRET SIX reunite for part two of this (literally!) Earth-shaking story! Who is the leader of the mysterious invasion force attacking our planet, and what connection does she have to Wonder Woman? It’s a War of the Worlds, with Diana in the middle!

[TheCorpulent1]

Wonder Woman + aliens without the Justice League? That's unusual.

[Drz]

Well this is stupid of me to ask lol but anyhow. Amazon drops me WW: Down to Earth and Eyes of the Gorgon. Neither GN says what issues they collect and wikipedia entry on WW isn't helping either so... Which one do i read first? =D

[Drz]

Well this is stupid of me to ask lol but anyhow. Amazon drops me WW: Down to Earth and Eyes of the Gorgon. Neither GN says what issues they collect and wikipedia entry on WW isn't helping either so... Which one do i read first? =D

[spark627]

Well this is stupid of me to ask lol but anyhow. Amazon drops me WW: Down to Earth and Eyes of the Gorgon. Neither GN says what issues they collect and wikipedia entry on WW isn't helping either so... Which one do i read first? =D

Down to Earth
Bitter Rivals
Eyes of the Gorgon

[Drz]

So i'm missing a story BETWEEN?! God Darnit. :(

[spark627]

So i'm missing a story BETWEEN?! God Darnit. :(

Yea and 2 after. Rucka's entire run is awesome and worth the money.

[BrianWilly]

Pfft. Dude, I warned you... (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=17918469#post17918469) :oldrazz:

[Drz]

Pfft. Dude, I warned you... (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=17918469#post17918469) :oldrazz:

Yeah man, but you know i'm a bloody moron. :( Gosh oh well time to order some more Wonder Woman then!

[Drz]

Well as i'm waiting for Battle Scars, i got Hiketeia today. Can i read that? I heard it was a OGN and stuff, so i hope thats a yes. :p

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, The Hiketeia is self-contained. It was a mini-series initially, I believe.

[Drz]

Allright i just finished reading Hiketeia:

- Awesome art by J.G Jones. Tho Wondy needs a bigger booty for my perv tastes!
- Interesting short plot with a good Greek Tragedy theme.
- The Furies had a cool design.
- Wonder Woman: I told you to stay away from her
Batman: I know. I just didn't care.

Good writing, very short story, liked it... Just felt it was too short but hey now i just need to get Battle Scarred so i can read these WW titles. :)

[BrianWilly]

Battle Scars/Scarred? I've never heard of that. You mean Bitter Rivals?

[Drz]

I'm lazy with names!

[Drz]

Bleeding Cool is saying Morrison's WW is out-of-continuety. Take it as granted. Bleeding Cool was right about the artist moving to DC, but yeah always good to remain skeptical! (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/01/27/grant-morrisons-wonder-woman-too-weird-for-the-dcu/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BleedingCool+%28Bleeding+Cool +Comic+News+%26+Rumors%29&utm_content=Google+UK)

[JustABill]

This should probably be in the stupid questions thread. But how many named Gorilla characters does DC have now? I ask this because I just came back to Wonder Woman this week's issue and was wondering who the white Gorilla sitting with Diana's friend was.

[TheCorpulent1]

I can think of Grodd, Monsieur Mallah, Solovar, Primaid, and the white gorillas who hang out with Diana (I assume they have names but I can't remember them). Oh, and Giganta was originally a gorilla back in the day.

The gorillas in Wonder Woman were terrorists from Gorilla City who hated humans. Diana stopped them and convinced them they were wrong. They became buddies and the gorillas started living in Diana's apartment afterward.

It's really not so weird when you remember that Gail Simone wrote it. She loves crazy s***.

[JustABill]

I see. They still use Solovar and Primaid? I know Mallah's dead.

[TheCorpulent1]

Solovar's dead too. He's bugging Barry as a Black Lantern in Blackest Day: Flash (alliteration!). I don't think I've seen Primaid outside of Trinity, but you asked for named gorilla characters and she's both a gorilla and named. :oldrazz:

[JustABill]

Ah. I don't read Trinity, but had hear of the character. And I've not been reading Blackest Night: Flash, because of the fact I hate Barry Allen.

[CLARKY]

The last issue was more accessible in my opinion. That was not bad. I am not sure I enjoy or will enjoy the "bad little children" but oh well ...
The art keeps being very very good. I think, he knows how to handle Wonderwoman, strong, yet feminin.

[mathhater]

Just be sure to never, ever, ever read "Trinity." That's the worst @#$ing book I've ever read in my life. Ever.

[TheCorpulent1]

I take it you've never read Countdown, then.

[hippie_hunter]

I take it you've never read Countdown, then.

I was going to say that :cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Too slow, chief. :awesome:

[Drz]

So who else liked BN: WW #3? It was pretty much Wondy & Mera dialogue issue, but Maxwell was pretty funny. :D Tho Rucka was really pushing the whole Diana loves Bruce thing. Maybe Rucka does support the idea of Batman being her love... Atleast her current one for sure.

[CLARKY]

I thought it was ok. they are definitely building something with Mera. And seeing a bit more of Carol Ferris was nice too. I agree the part with Max was great.
I am still very unconfortable with Diana with a violet ring .... and Diana and Bruce? I find it silly. Where does that come from? duh. do not like the idea, and above all I find it untrue to the character. where is Tom Tresser, he is great for Diana. I would not mind seeing a romance but come on, do not act like this was present since a long time. Pfff :down

[mathhater]

I take it you've never read Countdown, then.

Sadly...and I do mean sadly...I did. And yes, it sucked. But I still hate "Trinity" more. Not by a lot, but still. Countdown > Trinity. (Which is like saying HIV > AIDS)

[Eros]

So who else liked BN: WW #3? It was pretty much Wondy & Mera dialogue issue, but Maxwell was pretty funny. :D Tho Rucka was really pushing the whole Diana loves Bruce thing. Maybe Rucka does support the idea of Batman being her love... Atleast her current one for sure.


Bruce couldnt please a woman like Diana dude, she would kill him in bed.:woot:

[Drz]

Ah finally Amazon delivers my Wonder Woman: Bitter Rivals and i can read this trilogy!

Wonder Woman Down to Earth:
Oh man Diana has Ferdinand the BULL MAN as a chef! Thats bloody cool, i mean maybe even cooler than a British butler. :awesome: Io, Artemis & Ares had downright sexy looks, rawr! Zeus is an old disgusting pervert, just the way i like it! Poor Vanessa tho. :( I was wondering actually who she was since she has a cameo in Blackest Night: Wonder Woman #3. :) Still this was truly a fun read as Variety.com reviewed it as.

Wonder Woman: Bitter Rivals:
Man what a twist with Doctor Psycho! Loved the J.G Jones covers too! Abit much of a dialogue-story with close to nothing action until the end. Cool to see some Wonder Woman and Batman together too. Now onto the Eyes of the Gorgon.

Wonder Woman: Eyes of the Gorgon:
Oh Man OH MAN! This story is freaking intense! The Battle between Diana & Medusa was freaking awesome! The art, the pacing, the action and the drama! Oh the poor victim of the war of gods. :( Manly tears. ;_; Loving how the gods are mostly dressed up in modern fashion and whatnot, excluding Zeus ofcourse.

Loved to see Wonder Woman still being a total badass even after what happened to her, she even took down Batman easily and he was really fightning againts her like an enemy! He even admits it!

Briareos the champion of Zeus' was not only awesome, but also hilariously looking haha. Loved the ending, this is a great ongoing story. Veronica Cale and the Circle witch have alot of nasty plans... I really need to get me some more Rucka! :D

[CantThinkOfAName]

Rucka's run was the last time I read WW (although I still haven't read the Hiketia:csad:). I was kind of interested in Simone's run, but I've heard mixed reviews, some peope say they love it, and some say they hate it. It's hard to tell who's right:csad:

I have a feeling Morrison's WW will be that Earth One stuff. But then, Simone has had a pretty long run as it is.

[Drz]

So what trades am i missing now? If you can give it in a story-order it would be nice. :)

[Tron Bonne]

So what trades am i missing now? If you can give it in a story-order it would be nice. :)

Land Of The Dead & Mission's End

[Drz]

Thank you. :)

[BrianWilly]

Maan, at this point I don't know what the hell I think of this miniseries or the whole Batman nonsense. And what exactly is the secret that makes Mera hate herself so much? Guess we'll find out sooner or later in Brightest Day.

[Drz]

I thought it had to do with Mera never wanting a child, because she knew the baby would be endangered and then the baby indeed got endangered and killed off.

[TheCorpulent1]

I assumed that was bulls***, actually. Whether she wanted children or not, she loved Aquababy and the family she and Arthur were building together.

Does the Wonder Woman tie-in say Mera hates herself? I thought she was just angry because of how her life has constantly turned to s***. Seriously, her life keeps getting good and then spiraling into suckage all the time.

[Drz]

Someone tweet Rucka!

[BrianWilly]

Does the Wonder Woman tie-in say Mera hates herself? I thought she was just angry because of how her life has constantly turned to s***. Seriously, her life keeps getting good and then spiraling into suckage all the time.Diana says "why is she so angry" and then uses the lasso on her and then says "oh no wonder she hates herself" except we never really see the reason, other than a montage of Mera's Life: Greatest Hits.

[TheCorpulent1]

Huh. Well, that's dumb. I've never seen Mera as self-loathing. She always struck me as a potentially very strong woman who kept getting bombarded with horrible s*** that made her either lash out or become depressed.

[trustyside-kick]

After analyzing the issue of BN where she says "I never wanted children" and looking at BN: WW where they not only reveal that she hates herself for some reason and that it is because of something she has not told Arthur and said "how could I, after everything tell him" pretty much this is what I think is going on:

Now, given she stated that she never wanted children while under the influence of the Red ring, my guess is that the whole "her slugging Manta" is that she eventually confronted him herself, which would explain why she apparently snuck out while Aquaman was sleeping. And with this reveal about her not wanting kids, it wouldn't change the fact that she grew attached to her son, so it wouldn't retcon anything she has done, just in a sick way she got what she wanted by Arthur Jr dying and that's what really caused her to go so nuts and angry in those past past issues: living with the fact that she was in some ways relieved while also heartbroken that her baby died. And the secret she kept from Aquaman, would be what she finally said while wearing the Red Ring, pretty much saying "she didn't want Aquaman Jr" at first. But telling him would crush him given what happened, even if she did of course eventually grow to love her child.

[TheCorpulent1]

Huh. I guess I could see that. Misplaced guilt over perceived relief because she no longer had to fear the worst might happen to Aquababy after the worst did indeed happen to Aquababy.

[NightBeetle]

http://i45.tinypic.com/eg5s3s.jpg

WONDER WOMAN #44
On sale MAY 26
32 pg, FC, $2.99 US
Written by GAIL SIMONE
Art by NICOLA SCOTT & DOUG HAZLEWOOD
Cover by NICOLA SCOTT
Wonder Woman does battle against the Citizenry’s terrifying secret weapon, a weapon with a remarkable connection to Diana herself! It’s the final chapter before the landmark WONDER WOMAN #600, and this issue will have ramifications on Diana’s life forever! Don’t miss it!

[TheCorpulent1]

Cyborg Wonder Woman? Well, I guess it was only a matter of time.

[TheComicbookKid]

The proportions of that head disturb me.

[Motown Marvel]

ugh! that cover looks awful.

someone needs to kick simone off this title. give it back to rucka. please.

[BrianWilly]

Issue #41 preview (http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2010/02/19/diana-and-power-girl-throw-down-in-wonder-woman-41/).

Patroclus. iLol'd. I hate myself for it, but iLol'd.

I mean, it's all well and nice and good, but shouldn't this stuff have come, like, oh I dunno, nine or ten issues ago? Writing a character forever and putting him in everything, and then fleshing him out and making him interesting after he's already done the rounds...seems a bit backwards. Wacky idea, I know.

And meanwhile here's a new mind-controlling villain for Diana, because she certainly doesn't have enough mind-controlling villains around already. :awesome:

[TheCorpulent1]

Wow. Patrick Cleese? That's, like, whole pig-fisted. :o

But, on the other hand, that is one wicked sweet flying elephant. How have we not had more flying elephants before this? :huh:

[CantThinkOfAName]

ugh! that cover looks awful.

someone needs to kick simone off this title. give it back to rucka. please.

Simone didn't draw that cover:csad:

[BrianWilly]

Achilles' flying elephant (...:awesome:?) has been around, but mostly overshadowed by how much Rise of the Olympian sucked.

[TheComicbookKid]

Wow. Patrick Cleese? That's, like, whole pig-fisted. :o



I wanted him to reply to the "You seem familiar" with a sarcastic "We all look alike."

[CConn]

I know I'm going to get my ass handed to me for saying this, but I really think the worst thing about this book is the fact Diana has all the warm of a ice cube in Antarctica.

On a positive note, if Gail finds some way to remove the pole from WW's rear, it may actually be kinda okay.

[BrianWilly]

You mean warmth? I'm not sure I agree, I think Simone's Diana is, in general, more personable than a lot of other writers' Dianas. She just, I dunno, hasn't done anything that impressive with it.

On another note, after thinking about it (goddamnit Simone :argh:), I'm guessing that the Crows are Ares' children.

[CConn]

Warmth yes, but moreso I feel she is much too rigid a character currently. She may act warm, but it's always in situations where she "should" be warm. There's no human spontaneity at the moment with the character, I feel.

[BrianWilly]

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/107/startrekspockfascinatin.jpg

[CConn]

Its really not.

[BrianWilly]

Yay I was totally right about the Crows being Ares' kids. Where is my prize, Simone? Reward me with writing better.

Nah, actually this issue itself was pretty good. It's just filled with Simone's usual writing flaws, particularly her "tell not show" BS. I think Power Girl mentioned Diana's ability to give speeches upwards of four times in these two issues, sometimes in rapid succession, and yet the last time we saw Simone making Diana diplomatic was...um..

er...

...Yeah. I think there was that one time a while back, right?

[TheCorpulent1]

No, you're thinking of Rucka.

[BrianWilly]

Yes...always...

[CLARKY]

Rucka was insisting on the diplomatic aspect of Diana. Simone is insisting on another.
Even if I would enjoy sometimes some diplomatic attitudes, I enjoy Simone vision of Diana, without comparing her to Rucka's. Rucka has weakness too IMO.

The last issue was not very good IMO. The Children of Ares? Come on I knew it was them since the first second, but I thought it was so obvious that it could not be the case. Wrong of me.
The art was not that good, lack of subtlety. Those two issues were .. empty, I found them empty. I love G.Simone writing, I love the whole world she is building full of magic and amazons and all, taking Diana as an amazon, this is perfect, but it has been a while that I keep repeating I do not get where this is leading. I don't understand the story, the attitudes sometimes, maybe I'm a big idiot, that is almost certain, maybe I'm not used to this kind of clever writing ... but I do not get it at all. I wait one or 2 arcs and drop the book I think. :(

[TheComicbookKid]

Nicola Scott is coming on for part of the next arc so the art should be great!

[BrianWilly]

The last issue was not very good IMO. The Children of Ares? Come on I knew it was them since the first second, but I thought it was so obvious that it could not be the case. Wrong of me.
The art was not that good, lack of subtlety. Those two issues were .. empty, I found them empty. I love G.Simone writing, I love the whole world she is building full of magic and amazons and all, taking Diana as an amazon, this is perfect, but it has been a while that I keep repeating I do not get where this is leading. I don't understand the story, the attitudes sometimes, maybe I'm a big idiot, that is almost certain, maybe I'm not used to this kind of clever writing ... but I do not get it at all.:(Naw I think you're having a fairly normal reaction to Simone's run. :awesome:

I like the world she is building too, but her way of doing it, her general storytelling, just teeters between being "Oh this is cute and quirky I guess" and "WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON??"

[Drz]

Simone leaves Wonder Woman in favor to Birds of Prey. (http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2010/03/05/gail-simone-on-leaving-wonder-woman-returning-to-birds-of-prey/)

[TheCorpulent1]

Ooh, I wonder who'll be writing Diana's series next.

[Mystirious]

Oh god...I was dreading this.

I know Simone's run has gotten mixed responses but personally I liked it. And given the two people who have been rumoured on the net to take over: Johns (Pass the bucket) or Morrisson (Pass the cyanide pills) I'm not hopeful

Still...if Rucka were to come back to the title, then that WOULD be pretty cool. So some good may come of this

[CaptainCanada]

Without having read the last four issues (though I doubt there'll be anything radically different), my general thoughts on Simone's run are that it was solid, one of the better ones. In particular, Simone's take on Diana was terrific, for the most part; she was able to give her a good sense of humour, something that's been a problem for a lot of people.

That said, a lot of people hoped that she'd be the writer who'd rectify a lot of the title's ongoing problems, and (again, with four issues to go) that is a resounding 'no'. She wrote most of Diana's really disparate supporting characters well, but the cast itself is still very unfocused; her most significant achievement in this respect is reintroducing a reasonably good update of Etta Candy, but she's appeared so sporadically it doesn't have the impact it might have.

And the villains, the area that most desperately needed work, is more or less the same as before; she fell into exactly the same pattern every other writer on this title: appearances by Ares, Cheetah, and (briefly) Dr. Psycho (not Circe, though), introduce a bunch of new villains (none of whom, frankly, were that impressive), fill out the rest with guest villains from other parts of the DCU. To some extent, from her comments, she simply doesn't have the mindset necessary to fix this problem, as she said on CBR that she doesn't view characters as having "rogues galleries"; she looks at the entire DCU as one big pool to be drawn from as desired.

[Drz]

Well Bleeding Cool did report that Morrison's book won't be mainstream. So i doubt he'll be writing the monthly title. Morrison's is going to take a look at the sexual bondage stuff and how she dominates men thing from Golden Age.

Personally i hope Rucka comes back. He's only like writing Batwoman right now so writing 2 books shouldn't be a big push.

[Mystirious]

Well Bleeding Cool did report that Morrison's book won't be mainstream. So i doubt he'll be writing the monthly title. Morrison's is going to take a look at the sexual bondage stuff and how she dominates men thing from Golden Age

This will either be amazing, sexy and fun or, if Morrison demonises it as he did in Final Crisis, it will suck like a Dyson hoover.

However Morrison is generally a pretty open minded, cool kind of guy (As The Invisibles shows amply) so I'm going to keep an open mind about this. And he's shown that, even if his work sometimes really is just AWFUL (Final Crisis again!) he's done some great stuff at the same time. Fingers crossed his Wonder Woman is more "Doom Patrol" than "Batman RIP"

And yes, Rucka writing both Batwoman and Wonder Woman would be a dream come true!

[BrianWilly]

I am at once filled with excitement and terror at this news.

Without having read the last four issues (though I doubt there'll be anything radically different), my general thoughts on Simone's run are that it was solid, one of the better ones. In particular, Simone's take on Diana was terrific, for the most part; she was able to give her a good sense of humour, something that's been a problem for a lot of people.

That said, a lot of people hoped that she'd be the writer who'd rectify a lot of the title's ongoing problems, and (again, with four issues to go) that is a resounding 'no'. She wrote most of Diana's really disparate supporting characters well, but the cast itself is still very unfocused; her most significant achievement in this respect is reintroducing a reasonably good update of Etta Candy, but she's appeared so sporadically it doesn't have the impact it might have.

And the villains, the area that most desperately needed work, is more or less the same as before; she fell into exactly the same pattern every other writer on this title: appearances by Ares, Cheetah, and (briefly) Dr. Psycho (not Circe, though), introduce a bunch of new villains (none of whom, frankly, were that impressive), fill out the rest with guest villains from other parts of the DCU. To some extent, from her comments, she simply doesn't have the mindset necessary to fix this problem, as she said on CBR that she doesn't view characters as having "rogues galleries"; she looks at the entire DCU as one big pool to be drawn from as desired.This. This is absolutely correct.

[TheComicbookKid]

Wow. Advice to the next writer, don't plan out longer than 30 or so issues and put all your heart into it.

[CaptainCanada]

Achilles' flying elephant (...:awesome:?)
Mysia.

[Watchman]

Bring on Morrison, please. :awesome:

[Motown Marvel]

yes, im glad to see simone leaving the title. she wasnt awful, but it wasnt anything exciting. i welcome the change. morrison would be phenomenal to have on board. obviously, rucka returning would be incredible as well. i look forward to an announcement.

[CaptainCanada]

I'd be deeply skeptical of Morrison on the title. Based on his comments and his other work, he'd fixate on the Silver Age Wonder Woman, bringing back a bunch of stuff from that era just because he can, and that whole period was godawful. Moreover, I don't imagine he'd dedicate much effort to building up her supporting cast or revamping her rogues gallery with an eye to the long-term. His stories tend to be zany/weird and heavy on literary deconstruction and metacommentary.

[Tron Bonne]

Well, it'll bring people to the title at least. So, financially I'm sure it'll be a good move. Not too sure how I'd feel it about myself. I'd be less skeptic if his previous statements didn't ring a bad bell. I personally don't see any reason to explore all that bondage stuff

[CConn]

Bring on bondage WW.

God knows her creator was into it.

[hippie_hunter]

Bring on bondage WW.

God knows her creator was into it.

Bob Kane and Bill Finger had Batman start off with a gun.

And Joe Shuster and Jerry Siegel had Superman start off with only being able to jump incredibly high and far, simply out race a train, lift cars, and invulnerable only to bullets, along with being the "Champion of the Oppressed."

The comic characters we see today are nothing like they were when they were first created and IMO we don't need a gun-carrying Batman, a bondage Wonder Woman, and a weak Superman who is the Champion of the Oppressed.

[Tron Bonne]

Bring on bondage WW.

God knows her creator was into it.

As hippie pointed out, that's pretty irrelevant at this point. Plus, most of that stuff seems mostly misunderstood nowadays. I mean, yes, the guy was into bondage, but that really wasn't his complete reasoning and point of inserting those elements.

I mean, sure, it's something that I think could potentially be interesting to explore, but I'm not sure if I think I would really like to see dug up for no reason than, 'Well, 'cause.'

[CConn]

I was actually being sarcastic. Not so much that I want to it happen, but that I'm almost sure it will.

Morrison is the guy who brought things like Zur-En-Arrh and Bat-Mite back into current continuity. He's the dude who wrote about Lex Luthor having fake eyebrows and Jimmy being a cross dresser. If you don't think he's going to do some freaky **** if in WW if he writes it, then you obviously don't know grant Morrison.

I'd also like to point out that Batman is back to using guns in First Wave, and half of the characters that have died in the past 20 years are back from the dead...simply put, DC, like Morrison, is very much about bringing back old routines.

[Drz]

Well Brian Azzarello (First Wave) writer loves pulp! So he's giving some tribute to the original Batman by having Batman use guns, but he doesn't use them to kill people, infact he uses them for fear factor.

Even the upcoming Neal Adams' Batman story has Batman using guns for a story.

[CConn]

Yeah, Azzarello loves pulp. Hence why he has Batman use a gun.

And Morrison has been very into bringing back long forgotten - often embarrassing - aspects of a characters mythos for a long while now.

[Drz]

Well atleast he got rid of the über grimdarkness cleverly by having Batman go thru rituals and whatnot.

Anyhow how about JMS' for writing Wondy? He made mainstream Thor into a cool guy for mainstream, he can do the same for Wondy!

[CConn]

JMS would probably do a great job. He has a great sense of combining classic themes with modern sensibilities.

But I think there's jsut too much evidence that it will be Morrison, with all he's said about Wonder Woman in the past. Unless he does Earth One: WW...but she really doesn't sell well enough to warrant that, I'd say.

[Tron Bonne]

Morrison is the guy who brought things like Zur-En-Arrh and Bat-Mite back into current continuity. He's the dude who wrote about Lex Luthor having fake eyebrows and Jimmy being a cross dresser. If you don't think he's going to do some freaky **** if in WW if he writes it, then you obviously don't know grant Morrison.

Yeah, that was literally the point I was addressing...

[TheComicbookKid]

Maybe they'll put the main book on hiatus(like Thor) and she'll appear in team books. The Morrison version will be the solo book, and she'll return for her 70 anniversary.

[Tron Bonne]

I doubt it. They are renumbering it at 600 in a couple of months. I don't think they'd do that and then cancel/put on hiatus so quickly afterward

[CConn]

Yeah, that was literally the point I was addressing...
Then you should be addressing it with Grant Morrison, not me.

[Mystirious]

Bring on bondage WW.

God knows her creator was into it.

Sounds good to me:cwink:

I admit if Morrisson is announced as the new writer I WON'T be optimisitic just because of the godawful way he wrote her in FC as well as some comments he's made about her (Not just the much discussed post FC interview either) but hey, if his run has plenty of that kind of thing well, at least it won't be all bad!:woot:

[Drz]

Well the FC actually started Morrison's obsession to a personal level that now he really wants to write about Wonder Woman and address some of the Golden Age era things.

[Mystirious]

Well the FC actually started Morrison's obsession to a personal level that now he really wants to write about Wonder Woman and address some of the Golden Age era things.

Well if he goes that route it's going to depend, for me at least, on how he handles it.

If it's like in the Invisibles here he treated Kink/Fetish as a healthy, natural and normal form of sexuality without self righteously passing judgement on it, then that's A-OK by me

But if it winds up like FC then I'll probably drop the book, because prejudiced, judgemental nonsense like that just really turns me off.

So ultimately I guess it depends which Morrisson we have writing this series. Fun, wacky, surreal 90's Morrisson, or godawful 21st century Morrisson. Because I'm convinced there's two of him. It's the only way to explain how the man who gave us the glorious Doom Patrol and Invisibles also gave us (Shudders) Batman RIP and Final Crisis

[BrianWilly]

I love how everyone's acting like Morrison being on the book is a done deal or something, when it's never been anything more than a rumor with absolutely zero sources. :awesome:

[Drz]

Morrison has confirmed that he's wanting to write Wonder Woman, but yeah there was a rumour it's going to be an elseworld/something and not the monthly title as it's going to be too weird.

[Manic]

I think some of us just want Simone to get off this title, and get back where she belongs: the kitchen Birds of Prey.

[BrianWilly]

I'm being presumptuous, but y'all probably heard about it being "elseworlds/something" when I speculated it (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=17811797&#post17811797). :awesome: There's never been any actual statement, even from the constant Rich Johnston rumors, about which "continuity" this completely hypothetical project would be in.

Now, Morrison has mentioned -- in one single statement in a single interview (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/010928-Grant-Final-Crisis.html) more than a whole year ago -- that he would like to handle Wonder Woman at some point and has come up with some ideas on how to do it. This is true. He also mentioned this in the context that he, self-admittedly, wrote Wonder Woman really ****ing bad in Final Crisis. No mention on what this hypothetical, completely-unconfirmed-by-DC project would actually be, much less whether it would be WW's ongoing series.

I'm just trying to put this all in perspective here, so that tomorrow when DC announces that the new writer is, I dunno, James Robinson* or something, people don't start going WOW DC LIED TO US or BUT I THOUGHT MORRISON WAS REALLY GOING TO or something.

*:wall:

I can see why people would really want Morrison on this book. I've loved Morrison ever since New X-Men. Doesn't mean I think he'd be a fit for every project, though. Wonder Woman is a problematic series -- some problems of which Simone has alleviated, others that she's exacerbated -- and I suppose I just don't know what is it about Morrison that makes people think he can address these problems other than "Oh but he's such a genius." Which, yeah I agree with, but...

I think people are just getting tired of waiting for the "Wonder Woman event" that never seems to come. God knows I am. She's the most well-known superheroine in the world, but of the DC big seven she's the one most incapable of standing on her own two feet. And those seven include several who are currently dead, so think of that what you will. "Wonder Woman" should absolutely be a franchise, and yet it's never been further away from one than right this moment.

If Morrison could change that, well, gods ****ing bless him. I just hope he doesn't do it at the expense of everything that's already great about the character; it'd really be a kick in the balls to me if he ends up creating a Diana that has far wider appeal than before, and yet rings false to her older fans.

Again, hypothetically.

















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