Wonder Woman (Vol. 3) OYL Discussion Thread

[Varient]

Nemesis, BriWill. Nemesis is gay. I assume.

no.

But he has serious issues.

Not quite sure why Diana wants him,....

Of course the first thing that occured to me after reading her declaration to court him was the thought:

If she undresses to get into bed with him,... does she reset to her non-powered identity,... or vice -versa,... if she strips while non-powered does she revert to Amazon?

This is why I have issues with a non-powered secret identity.

V.

[TheCorpulent1]

The big Wonder Woman event this year: Rise of the Olympian (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=154152)

Hmm.

I'm obviously going to get it anyway of course, but nothing...huge...seems to pop out about it to me.
The idea of Wonder Woman's swearing fealty to another god causing all sorts of trouble between her and the Olympians is kind of boring to me. Usually I love stuff with gods, but DC went and ****ed all of their god stuff up between Wonder Woman and Trials of Shazam.

[BrianWilly]

I'm always willing to chance that stories that happen next will be the things that fix the downward spirals of the present. It'd be the apex of unfairness to constantly hold future writers accountable for the mistakes of the past. A lot of excellent stories have been built upon the corpses of their lessers; sometimes it feels like this happens moreso than not.

The thing I am mostly tepid towards this event about is that I think it's high time the gods stop being such ineffectual d**ks. Even under Rucka, and even before him, maybe even stretching as far back to seeds laid down by Perez, the gods have been largely ineffectual d**ks who needed to be rescued more often than not ("A Crisis across the universe? Well, time to run away"), just to go back acting like big d**ks who never deserved to be rescued in the first place. One of the reasons that Rucka's depiction of the gods felt as progressive as it did is because he depicted them growing beyond the omni-PMSing psychos in togas that they've been in both Marvel and DC, but it doesn't even necessarily have to take his route. Morrison is going to be doing some major work to make the term "gods" feel like the awe-inspiring, epic title that it should be, instead of psychos in togas; I hope Simone is going to take from his example. I want Wonder Woman to have gods that deserve her worship.

[Manic]

The Greek pantheon was incredibly petty and self-involved in classic mythology. Gods were that way in a lot of mythologies. It's the only way the people could explain why bad things happen to good people. Remember Homer's Odyssey? Odysseus was sailing home from the Trojan war, bragged about himself a little too much, and Poseidon decided to take him down a few pegs by delaying his journey home by 20 years and sending his boat to some of the most dangerous islands in Greek myth.

[BrianWilly]

But the Amazons themselves were very different in the original myths, a lot less nurturing paragons and a lot more, well, Amazons Attack. There's no real reason to have to adhere obsessively to the old "continuity," so to speak. And even if you do so with one or two mythological characters, there's no rule saying you have to do it with everyone -- look at how Ares and Heracles has been depicted here, after all -- or that you can't have them grow better of their own volition, such as Rucka has been starting to do.

Even more important than just making them prototypically "good" gods, though, is the fact of making them impressive gods, at the very least. I mean, Athena became Lord of all Olympus, and her first real act of rule was to take everyone scampering for the hills. There's just something profoundly unsatisfying about that.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm always willing to chance that stories that happen next will be the things that fix the downward spirals of the present. It'd be the apex of unfairness to constantly hold future writers accountable for the mistakes of the past. A lot of excellent stories have been built upon the corpses of their lessers; sometimes it feels like this happens moreso than not.

The thing I am mostly tepid towards this event about is that I think it's high time the gods stop being such ineffectual d**ks. Even under Rucka, and even before him, maybe even stretching as far back to seeds laid down by Perez, the gods have been largely ineffectual d**ks who needed to be rescued more often than not ("A Crisis across the universe? Well, time to run away"), just to go back acting like big d**ks who never deserved to be rescued in the first place. One of the reasons that Rucka's depiction of the gods felt as progressive as it did is because he depicted them growing beyond the omni-PMSing psychos in togas that they've been in both Marvel and DC, but it doesn't even necessarily have to take his route. Morrison is going to be doing some major work to make the term "gods" feel like the awe-inspiring, epic title that it should be, instead of psychos in togas; I hope Simone is going to take from his example. I want Wonder Woman to have gods that deserve her worship.
Whoa, there. The Marvel gods have been a hell of a lot better and more effective than the DC gods pretty much throughout their entire collective existence. At the very least, they usually get one of their own to save their asses rather than some clay chick. :oldrazz:

[BrianWilly]

Have you been reading Incredible Hercules? That ****'s awesome. That ****'s also a pretty solid play-by-play of everything I just mentioned. :hehe:

[TheCorpulent1]

How so? The gods haven't even asked Herc for anything until this issue that just passed, and that was Athena calling the gods together to protect themselves. That's a god perceiving a threat and rallying her peers to action, which is basically the opposite of what you just described.

[BrianWilly]

I mean the parts about them merely being psychos in togas who cause more problems than they solve, as opposed to the sort of impressive impression you'd like to receive from a god.

[CaptainCanada]

http://money.cnn.com/video/#/video/news/2008/04/21/news.comiccon.dc50cents.cnnmoney

Video on CNN about DC Universe #0, which includes some preview images of Wondy-related stuff; it shows Diana fighting a Minotaur-esque creature and the cast of the movie 300.

[BrianWilly]

Man, that guy is so freaking Scottish.

And those previews are reeeeeally awesome. Not just the parts with WW, which actually pales in comparison to some of the other shots.

[fifthfiend]

I mean the parts about them merely being psychos in togas who cause more problems than they solve, as opposed to the sort of impressive impression you'd like to receive from a god.

See I don't agree at all, I think that Marvel's pantheon are a totally impressive bunch of psychos in togas who cause more problems than they solve.

[Manic]

Holy crap. Grant Morrison is super-Scottish.

[TheCorpulent1]

He's also super-stylish. I think he's the only guy who went to NYCC in a suit.

[BrianWilly]

Oh and here I thought he was dressed up as Lex Luthor.

[TheCorpulent1]

Lex Luthor dresses like him. :cmad:

[fifthfiend]

He's also super-stylish. I think he's the only guy who went to NYCC in a suit.

You know if I ever make it out to a con I'm totally busting out the 3-piece, just to say I did.

[TheCorpulent1]

Just remember to pack your pocketwatch, in case you want to open your blazer. An exposed vest without a pocketwatch is just a waste of time.

[Cosmic]

The upcoming WW stuff looks very good. I will probably drop a few titles in the next couple of months, but this one is locked on.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm on the fence. It could be good, but I'm a little worried Simone might be overplaying her hand by basically reinventing Wonder Woman from the ground up so soon in her run and right after someone else just reinvented Wonder Woman from the ground up.

[The Leaguer]

The difference is that Simone will probably do it right.

[TheCorpulent1]

Hopefully. I'm cautiously optimistic. If anyone can restore Wonder Woman to greatness, it's Simone.

Or Rucka, but he's not an option.

[Cosmic]

The way I see it, the title has as solid writing and art as you can find. It may or may not rise to "greatness," but it's going to be good, and most likely one of the better superhero titles out there.

[fifthfiend]

Just remember to pack your pocketwatch, in case you want to open your blazer. An exposed vest without a pocketwatch is just a waste of time.

A vest without a pocketwatch is like a pocketwatch without a vest. Either way it's like come the **** on, do your **** the right way.

[BrianWilly]

Simone has mentioned a few times that she doesn't believe in "concept whiplash," which is why she's kept all the DMA stuff in spite of supposed free reign to do whatever she wanted. And she has repeatedly jizzed all over Rucka's stuff. Considering that, along with her past work, and what has actually happened so far in her run, I don't think there's gonna be some super-unrecognizable reinventions or anything. She's no Rucka, but she's not...Winick.

[TheCorpulent1]

Simone has mentioned a few times that she doesn't believe in "concept whiplash," which is why she's kept all the DMA stuff in spite of supposed free reign to do whatever she wanted.
That's a great view that I wish more writers would adopt. Even if you only keep the existing stuff around for one arc, at least take that arc to deal with it and give it a proper send-off before you begin your massive changes. It's very jarring to come onto a new creative team's run and find everything vastly different from the previous team's status quo in just an issue or two, if even that.

[Cosmic]

It's not always up to the writers. Sometimes they're just doing what they were specifically hired to do.

[TheCorpulent1]

Then it's a great view I wish more people in general would adopt.

[TheCorpulent1]

Preview of #21 (http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=18200)

[Manic]

Well I'll be John Brown. Gail Simone really is setting up a way to get Diana to drop the Diana Prince identity. She's just not doing it immediately.

[TheCorpulent1]

I get the feeling she'll somehow prove she's not Wonder Woman and keep right on keepin' on as Diana Prince.

[Manic]

She doesn't have to prove that she's not Wonder Woman. She has to prove that she's not an amazon. Etta should be fine, with her military record and husband. I mean, Etta really isn't an amazon. But Diana is, and I imagine it's going to be tough to prove that she didn't grow up in that culture. Diana Prince hasn't existed for more than one in-continuity year. All Steel or Tresser have to do is look for any signs that her identity is false, and they'll have her.

And let's be honest, here. Simone has been featuring Agent Prince so little, she might as well not exist at all. Wonder Woman battles the bad guys, and Prince reports it. Prince goes into an investigation, and the fight gets finished up by Wonder Woman. Prince goes into work for 5 minutes for no real reason whatsoever, and the rest of the story focuses on Wonder Woman doing something unrelated to her secret identity. Gail Simone isn't using Agent Prince, and the only things happening in this story that relate to Agent Prince are Sarge Steel going out of his way to expose her for what she really is: an amazon acting under an assumed identity.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, I'm not averse to getting rid of Diana Prince. Quite the contrary. I'd love to see Diana go back to just being Diana/Wonder Woman. I'm just saying, it seems a bit fishy that they'd set up this new status quo only to undo it so quickly.

[Manic]

It's a new status quo established by OYL. Remember all the other stuff established by OYL?

-Bart Allen as the Flash (undone)
-Batgirl working for Deathstroke (undone)
-Holly is the new Catwoman (undone)
-Green Arrow is mayor of Star City (undone)

It's not like DC hasn't been reversing their OYL decisions for a while.

[TheCorpulent1]

Hmm, good point.

[BrianWilly]

It's actually a bit awkward that Steel is so curious about Etta being an Amazon because, for pete's sake, it's not a secret that she's Wonder Woman's friend. Their association has been public and obvious from day one. And she's married to Steve Trevor who is Amazon Lover #1. I mean it's not...rocket science...

I doubt Diana Prince or the DMA will go away. Simone does not have a habit of letting go of her longterm cast -- especially one that she's building up so much -- which would be exactly what happens if, well, that happens. The DMA is her supporting cast, now.

[Manic]

Oh, I'm sure the DMA will still be around. After all, Diana is courting Agent Tresser, and Sarge Steel is the first man who'll grab his gun the moment something fishy and amazony pops up. I just think Diana won't be working for the DMA as Diana Prince for much longer.

[RockSP]

-Holly is the new Catwoman

:wow::wow::wow:

[fifthfiend]

-Green Arrow is mayor of Star City (undone)

Kind of a shame considering as that one was one of the few actually interesting post-IC things.

I mean it's not...rocket science...


Exactly why Steel has such a hard time understanding it.:up:

[Manic]

:wow::wow::wow:
What?

[TheComicbookKid]

I think Simone's about to ditch the D Prince identity. Didn't WW recently state there was a reason she was using the identity. I think she's going to do what she needs to do with it then ditch it. Probably just before Tresser finds out her identity. Bad to start a relationship on lies.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's actually a bit awkward that Steel is so curious about Etta being an Amazon because, for pete's sake, it's not a secret that she's Wonder Woman's friend. Their association has been public and obvious from day one. And she's married to Steve Trevor who is Amazon Lover #1. I mean it's not...rocket science...
Maybe none of that happened anymore after Infinite Crisis.

[BrianWilly]

You realize that that actually doesn't get less annoying the more times you say it, right? http://forumimages.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-v.gif Steve Trevor's connection to WW still exists as of Wonder Woman #1, and Simone would probably kill a man in real life before she retcons a marriage story.

[TheCorpulent1]

Blame DC. I'm just saying nothing in any character's past is absolutely certain anymore, which DC has shown in various comics.

[spark627]

You realize that that actually doesn't get less annoying the more times you say it, right? http://forumimages.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-v.gif Steve Trevor's connection to WW still exists as of Wonder Woman #1, and Simone would probably kill a man in real life before she retcons a marriage story.

what does that mean, she would kill a man in real life before retconing a marriage story?

[Anubis]

It means Gail Simone would off a guy in real life before she retcons a marriage story. Which isn't exactly that big of a leap when you consider that time she stabbed a guy in the crotch.

[Manic]

Well, I'm sure the guy she stabbed was trying to stuff her in a refrigerator.

[TheCorpulent1]

Then the guy deserved it. Everyone knows you dismember first, then stuff the woman in the refrigerator. :o

[BrianWilly]

Blame DC. I'm just saying nothing in any character's past is absolutely certain anymore, which DC has shown in various comics.I'm actually can't recall more than a small not-even-handful of writers who ever expressed that attitude, much less openly so in a story, much less years now after IC. If it ever was the first explanation to jump to when continuity mistakes occur, it sure isn't today. Heck, upon rereading the preview, Simone states right there that her name is still Candy-Trevor.

[CLARKY]

Well, I like Simone's current story ... I think. Again, I don't really understand what's going on, but it seems to go in a good direction.

[Manic]

Apparently, some generic "end of the world" scenario is going on. The dude with the glowy eyes needs help to stop it, and some oracle told him the only way to do so was to grab 3 very specific sword-wielding badasses. Wonder Woman is one. Beowulf is another. And... I'm not sure who the 3rd guy they just met is.

[RockSP]

I'm not sure who the 3rd guy they just met is.

The Claw.

[BrianWilly]

I'm sticking with Conan. http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-colbert.gif

[BrianWilly]

Okay fine it's not. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claw_the_Unconquered) :(

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I thought Conan at first too, but I knew I'd seen that guy before.

[RockSP]

Okay fine it's not. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claw_the_Unconquered) :(

:hehe: Conan is at Dark Horse. They couldn't use him arbitrarily.

[TheCorpulent1]

They could've just called him Bohan or something instead.

[RockSP]

They called him Claw and gave him a demon hand.

[TheCorpulent1]

Touché.

[CLARKY]

Apparently, some generic "end of the world" scenario is going on. The dude with the glowy eyes needs help to stop it, and some oracle told him the only way to do so was to grab 3 very specific sword-wielding badasses. Wonder Woman is one. Beowulf is another. And... I'm not sure who the 3rd guy they just met is.
Well, I wasn't sure to know who beowulf was and I had no idea who the stalker was ! Anyway, thanks, I think I understand a little more ; I did understand a bit of this but I wasn't sure at all ; there is a lot of "writing fioritures" around the main action and I was wondering what the hell is the real story.
I like it nevertheless. The story telling of A.Loprestri is excellent. :up:

[Anubis]

Claw the Unconquered's been around for years. He had a mini just last year.

[TheCorpulent1]

... that nobody read or cared about.

[Anubis]

...why do you hate America?

[TheCorpulent1]

'Cause it kicked my dog once. ****in' America. :(

[mythicalheroes]

Karen Cliche looks like Alex Ross's Wonder Woman what do everyone think ?

<a href="http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s67/kennethgrimsley/?action=view&current=wonder-woman.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s67/kennethgrimsley/wonder-woman.jpg" border="0" alt="wonder woman"></a>

<a href="http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff174/penelope_074/Mel/?action=view&current=pics_kcQA3.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff174/penelope_074/Mel/pics_kcQA3.jpg" border="0" alt="Karen Cliche"></a>

[CLARKY]

The last issue of WW was really nice, but I keep asking myself "what the heck is going on?" What was the part with Diana as the queen of the amazons with the JL knights around her about ?
I love the barbarian, thing, swords, demon, armors, that's fine and I enjoy it, and I keep thinking that's what WW sould be about : warrior, amazon, etc ...

[spark627]

The last issue of WW was really nice, but I keep asking myself "what the heck is going on?" What was the part with Diana as the queen of the amazons with the JL knights around her about ?
I love the barbarian, thing, swords, demon, armors, that's fine and I enjoy it, and I keep thinking that's what WW sould be about : warrior, amazon, etc ...

The Queen part was a dream, when she put her lasso around Stalker his soulessness and darkness consumed her, she feels herself getting darker each day and feels she is losing her compassion (hence how violent and careless she has been in battle). The dream was what would/could happen to her if she does not get the rock from Stalker and redeem herself.

[Manic]

Aaannnnndddd Donna flies into Diana's house. Let's face it; Nemesis is going to know that Diana Prince is Wonder Woman. Either that, or he'll think that Diana has some connections in the superhero community.

Overall, I think this story is alright. Wonder Woman works best as a mythological being fighting other mythological stuff, and it looks like Simone knows this (just like she knew Birds of Prey was a walking martial arts saga waiting to happen), but she's still kinda finding her way with this book. Hopefully, this gets better.

[BrianWilly]

I don't know that WW is always the best dealing with mythological stuff; I like her when she's an active part of the DCU that just so happens to be swept up in mythological things occasionally. An arc like this seemed like an okay idea in theory, but was just story whiplash all over the place especially after the last two arcs.

And I'm not that impressed with how Simone has set up Diana's loss of humanity or whatever here; it was a complete instance of "tell not show." She shows Diana doing some mean things that she wouldn't normally do maybe once or twice -- which is hard to tell anyway, 'cause it's not like Diana isn't prone to some "aggressive negotiations" http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/owen/amidala.gif even on a good day -- and then proceeds to tell us through text boxes for three issues straight over and over again how very depraved our heroine is becoming. Yeah, homie don't play that.

At this point, I don't hesitate to say that I'm much more interested in whatever's going on with Tom, the gorillas, and Donna than I am in whatever happens with this random apocalypse villain who's supposed to be all scary but hasn't actually done anything of note. Well, I suppose there's always the next issue.

[Manic]

At this point, I don't hesitate to say that I'm much more interested in whatever's going on with Tom, the gorillas, and Donna than I am in whatever happens with this random apocalypse villain who's supposed to be all scary but hasn't actually done anything of note.
Same here, actually. As I read this issue, I was all "hey, Nemesis hasn't used his disguise thingy that often, lately. Ah, cool, I love Donna. She should appear more often. Aaannnddd, we're back to whatever the hell Diana is doing with Beowulf and that Claw dude. *snore*"

Honestly, I sometimes think Gail Simone decides what story arcs to write based on whatever DVDs she recently rented. Sometimes that works out, like when she turned Birds of Prey into a kung-fu movie during the 'Sensei* & Student' arc, but in this case, it's like she finished watching Beowulf and thought "hey, I should slap together a few issues where he teams up with Wonder Woman." And it failed.




*I'm still irked that Dinah's Chinese kung-fu teacher was called a sensei, since that's a term used for Japanese teachers. Technically, the arc should've been called 'Sifu & Student' but that's a rant for another day.

[TheCorpulent1]

I was more interested in Donna's appearance, too. I kind of slogged through the rest of the issue and then got excited when Donna showed up. This whole alternate reality jaunt is becoming tiresome.

[BrianWilly]

Honestly, I sometimes think Gail Simone decides what story arcs to write based on whatever DVDs she recently rented. Sometimes that works out, like when she turned Birds of Prey into a kung-fu movie during the 'Sensei* & Student' arc, but in this case, it's like she finished watching Beowulf and thought "hey, I should slap together a few issues where he teams up with Wonder Woman." And it failed.Add "300" to that list for the upcoming Manazons.

[Phenomenal]

Has Any character tapped that ass of Wonder Woman's? How come no one has hit that yet?

[Manic]

Has Any character tapped that ass of Wonder Woman's? How come no one has hit that yet?
Someone has. Don't tell Lois, though. :super:




Seriously, I think the closest anyone has ever come to tapping some of that hot Diana tail was when some guy married Donna.

Sex with her identical little sister. That's about it.

[BrianWilly]

If Trevor Barnes didn't go all the way (http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/4691/kiss4vw.jpg) then he sure as heck got pretty darn close (http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/2746/dianatrevor3rj.jpg).

[Darthphere]

I don't know that WW is always the best dealing with mythological stuff; I like her when she's an active part of the DCU that just so happens to be swept up in mythological things occasionally. An arc like this seemed like an okay idea in theory, but was just story whiplash all over the place especially after the last two arcs.

And I'm not that impressed with how Simone has set up Diana's loss of humanity or whatever here; it was a complete instance of "tell not show." She shows Diana doing some mean things that she wouldn't normally do maybe once or twice -- which is hard to tell anyway, 'cause it's not like Diana isn't prone to some "aggressive negotiations" http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/owen/amidala.gif even on a good day -- and then proceeds to tell us through text boxes for three issues straight over and over again how very depraved our heroine is becoming. Yeah, homie don't play that.

At this point, I don't hesitate to say that I'm much more interested in whatever's going on with Tom, the gorillas, and Donna than I am in whatever happens with this random apocalypse villain who's supposed to be all scary but hasn't actually done anything of note. Well, I suppose there's always the next issue.

A ****ing Attack of the Clones reference? Are you ****ting me?

[Manic]

edit

nevermind

[Phenomenal]

If Trevor Barnes didn't go all the way (http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/4691/kiss4vw.jpg) then he sure as heck got pretty darn close (http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/2746/dianatrevor3rj.jpg).

Who is Trevor Barnes and was that really Wonder Woman? In what comic was this???

[BrianWilly]

A ****ing Attack of the Clones reference? Are you ****ting me?Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is.Who is Trevor Barnes and was that really Wonder Woman? In what comic was this???Trevor Barnes was someone that Wonder Woman dated back in the early 2000s, in her own comic, before he died in the...I dunno, fourth or fifth "gods go crazy" story of the series. I'm always surprised no one knows about this, 'cause he was around for a good few years.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think anyone read Wonder Woman before Rucka started writing. :(

[Phenomenal]

Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is.Trevor Barnes was someone that Wonder Woman dated back in the early 2000s, in her own comic, before he died in the...I dunno, fourth or fifth "gods go crazy" the series had. I'm always surprised no one knows about this, 'cause he was around for a good few years.

Trevor Barnes was a human? and how did WW meet him?
Thanks for the info BTW, your very helpful!

[BrianWilly]

He was a human UN worker that Diana met through, well, working at the UN. Most readers disliked him, usually for one idiotic reason after another, though even I had to admit that his background and personality weren't very remarkable.

I don't think anyone read Wonder Woman before Rucka started writing. :(Not enough people read Wonder Woman even after then, either. :cmad:

[Lobo]

He was a human UN worker that Diana met through, well, working at the UN. Most readers disliked him, usually for one idiotic reason after another, though even I had to admit that his background and personality weren't very remarkable.

Not enough people read Wonder Woman even after then, either. :cmad:

Sad but true :csad:

[Darthphere]

Wonder Woman sucks right now. I mean, it's like reading Batman, and having everyone else be a lot more interesting and cool than Batman.

[spark627]

Wonder Woman sucks right now. I mean, it's like reading Batman, and having everyone else be a lot more interesting and cool than Batman.

wow, I couldn't disagree more. I love the series at the moment.

[Phenomenal]

I thought BATMAN was Wonder Woman's lover though?? How could she and Trevor be lovers????

[BrianWilly]

...uh, because the comics isn't the animated series? Batman was never her lover, he was a possible romantic interest that never went any further than a single kiss in the heat of battle; they both eventually agreed (http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2461/0690p21kk4.jpg) that they would be terrible as a couple.

And Trevor Barnes wasn't even her only lover, either. She had a thing with a Hindu champion called Rama, and obviously she's interested in Nemesis now.

[Andy C.]

Holy crap, Bruce has the goofiest-looking grin on the face of the Earth. No wonder Batman never smiles.

[BrianWilly]

That artist is also kinda just...questionable...anyway. Sooooo many questions, just in that one issue.

[TheCorpulent1]

Isn't that Chriscross?

[RockSP]

"Chriscross" and "questionable" don't belong in the same sentence :cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm not sure it's him. That's just my best guess based on that one page.

[RockSP]

It's him.

[BrianWilly]

Did you all read that issue? When I said questionable, I was being nice.

[Phenomenal]

...uh, because the comics isn't the animated series? Batman was never her lover, he was a possible romantic interest that never went any further than a single kiss in the heat of battle; they both eventually agreed (http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2461/0690p21kk4.jpg) that they would be terrible as a couple.

And Trevor Barnes wasn't even her only lover, either. She had a thing with a Hindu champion called Rama, and obviously she's interested in Nemesis now.

Wow BrianWilly, You really know your WW! And do you by any chance got any scans of her and this Hindu champion named Rama and this Nemesis person now?

[BrianWilly]

Nemesis has been appearing prominently in her comics for the past two years. Do you really not know what he looks like? :confused:

This is Rama (http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1812/4115106dx2.jpg).

[TheCorpulent1]

I love seeing artists actually make an effort to make Wonder Woman look Greek.

[Phenomenal]

Nemesis has been appearing prominently in her comics for the past two years. Do you really not know what he looks like? :confused:

This is Rama (http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1812/4115106dx2.jpg).

Thanks!

Nah I don't know what Nemesis looks like, how do you know WW is interested in Nemesis now? Some sort of hunch?

[Anubis]

Cuz she told him while he was in his hospital Bed that she was going to court him and gave him a flower bracelet.

[Lobo]

I love seeing artists actually make an effort to make Wonder Woman look Greek.

I think Nicola Scott actually does my favorite :ww: rendition

[Lobo]

Thanks!

Nah I don't know what Nemesis looks like, how do you know WW is interested in Nemesis now? Some sort of hunch?

She told him she was courting him. Why not pick up some WW books?

[Phenomenal]

She told him she was courting him. Why not pick up some WW books?

What did Wonder Woman mean by that?

Also, I plan on picking some of her books up!

[Manic]

I'm going to assume you're not familiar with the term, and just tell you that "courting" is the same thing as "dating."

[Phenomenal]

Yeah I understand.

So can Wonder Woman call upon the God wave at any time?

Does she still have that sword that can shave atoms of an electron?

[Anubis]

What the f**k is a God Wave?

And yes. the armor too.

[Kitsune]

What the f**k is a God Wave?

When the gods do the wave?

[Anubis]

Oooooohhhh.

[BrianWilly]

So can Wonder Woman call upon the God wave at any time?Theoretically, no. Calling on the Godwave means calling on her own gods for power, and like asking any favor from anyone, they could choose to give it to her or not. The one time she asked for that power was during a period when her relationship with the Olympians was especially good; she had just saved their respective bacons for the umpteenth time. Right now, though, there's no way it could happen; she has become completely estranged from her gods with their relationship being pretty much the worst that it's ever been.

And yes. the armor too.Actually, the last we saw of that specific sword was during Infinite Crisis...when she herself broke it in half. She has a sword right now among other weapons, but there's no telling if it's actually the same sword from before or if it has the same properties.

[TheCorpulent1]

I prefer seeing her just stick to the lasso, myself. Her costume could use some work, but the lasso's all the weapon I think Wonder Woman needs at this point. Or all she should need, if she's being written as close to Superman in power as she ought to be.
Theoretically, no. Calling on the Godwave means calling on her own gods for power, and like asking any favor from anyone, they could choose to give it to her or not. The one time she asked for that power was during a period when her relationship with the Olympians was especially good; she had just saved their respective bacons for the umpteenth time. Right now, though, there's no way it could happen; she has become completely estranged from her gods with their relationship being pretty much the worst that it's ever been.
Being a heathen is nowhere near as much fun for Wonder Woman as it is for all those lapsed Catholics out there. :(

[Manic]

I was never feeling the idea of Wonder Woman keeping a sword, if only for the symbolism. Swords are a phallic symbol, and Diana isn't someone who needs a surrogate penis to fight somebody. She just needs to swing a big ol' hole at people.

[spark627]

I was never feeling the idea of Wonder Woman keeping a sword, if only for the symbolism. Swords are a phallic symbol, and Diana isn't someone who needs a surrogate penis to fight somebody. She just needs to swing a big ol' hole at people.

huh? Are you serious? She is an Amazon, of course she would have/use a sword.

[BrianWilly]

Well believe it or not, but the two-sided axe she's been using -- the labrys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labrys) -- is a symbol of the vagin...ahh, I mean, a symbol feminism as derived from Artemis, Demeter, and the Amazons. Today, the lesbians have claimed it as their own.

[TheCorpulent1]

Weird. I don't see how it symbolizes the ladyparts. I mean, phallic symbols are easy--anything cylindrical or longer than it is wide or that shoots something can be considered phallic if you want to make the argument. But an axe as a vagina? I don't see it...

[Manic]

I like my lasso=vagina comparison better, but it's good to know the significance behind her using a 2-sided axe.

[BrianWilly]

I actually don't much understand your comparison of a lasso with a the female genitalia; if you would be so kind as to explain it to us with intricate specifics and graphic pictures?

[BrianWilly]

Wonder Woman #23
I have been and remain pretty completely apathetic regarding the swords and sandals portion of this particular story. Simone has apparently worked up this huge ****ing deal about Diana losing her soul or her humanity or whatever without ever showing us the part where it actually happens, and just has Diana constantly talking about it in text boxes in a complete display of telling and not showing, which is freaking grade school writing. Similarly, she has built up D'Grth as this huge ****ing deal, the Devil Himself, the greatest evil upon multitudes of worlds...by having a bunch of characters mention it repeatedly instead of ever building up the character himself. I mean, eventually Diana defeats him by running him through with the invisible jet which, yeah okay I thought that was pretty cool...but a bunch of Teen Titans could have defeated this Ultimatest of Ultimate Evils if all it took was brute force, and not even that much brute force considering what the DCU and Diana herself is capable of mustering. Weaksauce.

Like I said last time, the portion with Nemesis, Donna, and the monkeys have instead been far more interesting than the so-called main plot, though that is hardly enough for me or anyone to be able to commend this story. I'm just glad it's over now so that we can get back to more important plots, which I am actually still looking forward to.

In the meantime, I am incredibly confused about whether or not Nemesis actually knows Diana's secret identity or not. Donna asks him what he's doing at Diana Prince's apartment, he says he thinks she's an Amazon spy, and then Donna says well okay my sister will tell you what you need to know in her own time. All the while no explanation is actually ever given to Tom as to why there would be freaking monkeys at Diana Prince's apartment and he's just like oh, okay whatever. Just what exactly is going on here?

(5.3 out of 10)
(6.6 out of 10 for the whole arc)

[Manic]

What got me was that the apes (there's a difference between apes and monkeys) told Donna that they attacked Tom because he came into Diana Prince's apartment with intent to attack "the princess." The apes specifically said "princess." When Donna asked Tom if that was true, he replied as if he was still talking about Diana Prince. So either Tom has put 2+2 together, or he's a complete moron.

[The Major]

Has Any character tapped that ass of Wonder Woman's? How come no one has hit that yet?

No.

For some reason DC sees her as an eternal virgin.

It's like they're afraid of the public thinking she'll be seen as a slut for having sex.

It's very contradictory to the character's premise.

[The Major]

I was never feeling the idea of Wonder Woman keeping a sword, if only for the symbolism. Swords are a phallic symbol, and Diana isn't someone who needs a surrogate penis to fight somebody. She just needs to swing a big ol' hole at people.
WW has a sword which could cut Superman in half with if she felt like it.

That's a great thing to have in any fight. Phallic symbolism be damned!

[The Major]

I actually don't much understand your comparison of a lasso with a the female genitalia; if you would be so kind as to explain it to us with intricate specifics and graphic pictures?

It can be shaped as a circle?



























I got nothing. :(

[TheComicbookKid]

No.

For some reason DC sees her as an eternal virgin.

It's like they're afraid of the public thinking she'll be seen as a slut for having sex.

It's very contradictory to the character's premise.

Do you really need to see it to think it happened is the real question. I assume Nightwing had sex. I haven't seen any pics of him getting out of a woman's bed.




Anyway. The story wraps up in a weird fashion. Can't say that using the invisible plane is the most thrilling way to defeat the Devil. I don't think Simone is all that great at coming up with thrilling fights. The Circle arc didn't have a very memorable end(a shark ate me). Which doesn't give me a great hope for the Genocide story.

[Cosmic]

Yeah, I agree. When I first started on this title almost a year ago, it was really good. I'm dropping this one, for now.

[Varient]

You would think that Someone would start a thread to ask which heroes are sexually active.

Frankly I don't see Batman having time,.....

[RockSP]

Do you really need to see it to think it happened is the real question. I assume Nightwing had sex. I haven't seen any pics of him getting out of a woman's bed.

I know there are pics of him in bed with Starfire. And he boned Huntress at one point...don't remember if they showed any post-boning pics but it was discussed openly.

[TheComicbookKid]

I know there are pics of him in bed with Starfire. And he boned Huntress at one point...don't remember if they showed any post-boning pics but it was discussed openly.

You have just totally blown my entire post into oblivion. Thanks alot!:cmad::yay:


Well as long as they don't turn it into a "very special issue" of Wonder Woman. Show her putting on her clothes and move on.

[The Major]

Do you really need to see it to think it happened is the real question. I assume Nightwing had sex. I haven't seen any pics of him getting out of a woman's bed.


We don't need to see it happen. We do need to have some signs which could make that be unquestionable.

Diana's status quo to readers is being a virgin, so unless we're given solid evidence within the books that will never change. Nightwing's the biggest playa in the DCU. That's why no-one questions his virginity. DC isn't as skiddish around sexual situations with him unlike her, either. He's even been raped "on camera" during Grayson's run.

The only time I can remember DC had Diana in a sexual situation that I know about was in Jimenez run and that was ambiguous.

[TheCorpulent1]

Preview of #24 (http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=22163)

That "I'm a modern woman" comment seemed a bit too on-the-nose and, of course, pretty much anything with Diana and Nemesis feels awkward, but it wasn't bad.

[Lobo]

Not bad. I'm still not sure if I like Chang's art or not though

[Manic]

Ho-ly ****. That "babies, babies, babies" line caught me off guard.

[TheCorpulent1]

Simone's WW should, at the very least, go a long way toward making Hippolyta more like the well-rounded character she's always been rather than the caricature she was in Amazons Attack.

[Anubis]

Heh, that was kinda cool.

[batnkevlar]

I liked that preview. It was surprisingly... complete.

[BrianWilly]

Wonder Woman #24
Did Bernard Chang use up all his MP in the first three-fourths of this issue or something? Everything up to the fight was just gorgeous to the point where I'd prefer him over Lopresti as the regular series artist, and then we get into the action stuff in the second half it just took a nosedive.

Some people seem to take issue with Hippolyta's presentation here, particularlies the babies line, but I kinda love it; If Hippolyta has had one true consistent trait throughout all these years, even in the blond-dom of pre-Crisis, it's that no matter what her rank is or what mysterious world and customs she comes from, she's no different from any other mother out there. Of course she would press her daughter about having babies. That's what mothers do. And it was funny. The one thing that I'm not crazy about is the marginal hints in here about her being an archaic woman with an archaic mindset. That's valid to a lot of degrees but it's not really a character trait to be pushed, 'cause it's certainly not as if Polly's spent years fighting alongside the Justice Society and greedily lept snout-first into Wildcat...uh, I mean, into embracing modern America or anything. The last cogent characterization of Hippolyta before her being brought unceremoniously back from the dead was that she was in love with the modern world.

Nemesis is...well, he's Nemesis. If you didn't like him before you won't magically like him now, and his romance with Diana is no more organic than it was before. I have to agree that Simone is falling almost headfirst into a telling-not-showing syndrome with these stories. Meanwhile no mention is made at all of how he found gorillas in Diana's apartment last issue, or if he suspects her identity as he must at this point. Something's not right here, but to Simone's credit I actually suspect that it may be part of her longterm plan for Nemesis. So...wait and see, I guess.

Oh, and Queen of Fables shows up for the second half, which is cool 'cause she was a pretty great JLA villain. I'm not sure what she could bring to being a WW rogue other than being a female, mystical Dr. Psycho, but we'll see.

(7.8 out of 10)

[BrianWilly]

Might as well bump this up with a review.

Wonder Woman #26 and 27
"Rise of the Olympian"
Repeat after me, colorists: Vixen! Is! A! BLACK WOMAN!

Okay, now that we've established that, let's get to the good: this is really good. This is a kind of story that Wonder Woman has deserved for years, an epic world threat that not even Rucka managed to fully fit into his run. You really feel like some huge, incredible event is happening in the Wonderverse. The gods are back...but not all is well. The Amazons have returned...but at what cost? etc etc.

I like Genocide. I'm kind of ashamed to admit it and I'm pretty sure Lopresti came up with that design by using the "spikes" costume set from City of Heroes (http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Image:Costume_Set_Leather_Straps.jpg), but I really like what Simone has done here. And what it's doing with the lasso? Really awesome. Of course, the last time I was really excited about a villain was Superboy-Prime, so take that however you will.

Two single issues of Simone writing Donna Troy pretty much just eclipsed two whole years of Countdown and Winick in terms of quality. Winick's Donna hasn't done anything gratuitously bad yet, but she gets bogged down by all that other ass that Titans is filled with, and nonetheless I've no doubt that Winick will get around to filling her with wretched writing sooner or later, as he does. But not here; this is a Donna Troy that isn't the joke of the cosmos, this is a Donna Troy that is Donna ****ing Troy.

Now, the story so far is not all perfect. In fact, it's very noticeably not. There's a lot of, hmm, telling and not showing as far as significant character/plot points are being handled. For instance, Donna gets great dialogue but then she starts talking about possibly mourning Diana and the passing of the burden or something and it's like, wait what? The story is acting like Diana's dead or something but she's just really beat up. Cassie and Etta are crying emo tears about Diana being beat up and it's just, guys, instead of crying emo tears, maybe you should make yourselves useful or something. Just a suggestion. I think Simone was trying to convey some kind of gravity or sadness about the situation, and it comes across as just weird.

Another example is that the characters repeatedly tell us about Genocide teleporting instead of actually showing it to us, so the action surrounding said teleportation just comes across as stilted. And when we do see Genocide doing anything, anything at all, it's usually just...punching someone. So we wind up with this creature that sounds scary and talks scary and feels scary but...certain little things make it not quite as scary as it should be, or rather could be.

Now, for the griping: There's something going on here with Nemesis that's not quite right, and will probably be revealed at length. This is both a good thing and a bad thing. So much of Simone's characterizations in this series so far has been varying degrees of "there's something going on here that's not quite right, and will probably be revealed at length," and it's all going to make for a great story once it all comes together, I'm sure, but it's also making it virtually impossible to fully connect to the things happening on the page. Why the **** are characters acting this way? What the hell does s/he mean when they say those things? etc etc. In this case specfically, Nemesis has obviously figured out that Wonder Woman is Diana Prince (or maybe he just never forgot? **** it I dunno), except that we have no idea when or how this happened because, well, it never happened in this book. Except that the book itself and everyone in it are acting like it happened, like it's the most natural thing ever.

The narrative just feels so incomplete. I feel like we're getting half the story with every issue despite paying full price, in this weird Brand New Day sort of balance between "WTF am I reading here?" versus "Oh it'll all be explained down the line and it'll be a great explanation, yup"...it's an incredibly, incredibly thin line to straddle, and I'm not sure Simone is pulling it off. I've always had full confidance in Simone's handle on characters, but never a lot in her plotting capabilities; it's been a problem all through the All New Atom and in Birds of Prey as well.

It doesn't look like the DMA is going to continue being Diana's hangout by the end of this arc. Many readers will probably be glad of that, and I certainly wouldn't mind leaving behind the bad things that the place has done to Wonder Woman's series...but it's interesting that the DMA and Agent Diana Prince in particular actually came across incredibly strong and well in these past two issues. When Simone started her run I had thought that not even she could salvage the DMA as a viable "status quo" for Wonder Woman, and yet now here she is doing exactly that...ironically, it seems, just as the DMA is about to run its course.

On a related note, Sarge Steel is totally controlled by Dr. Psycho. It's pretty much a gimme in the latest issue, but you heard it here first.

To summarize: it's got its flaws and I'm sure I'll be nitpicking at it until the very last panel of the saga, but I really am looking forward to what's coming next.

(8.4 out of 10)

[CLARKY]

Well guess what ? I didn't even suspected that Sarge was controlled by "you know who" !
Anyway, I like G.Simone on Wonderwoman. Rise of the Olympians has been very good IMO so far. I'm not sure what she is doing with Nemesis, yet. Since DC is "marvelizing" things a bit, I'm prepared to see him betray Diana in the future. For very good reasons I'm sure. Or something like that. Too bad because I like the sensitiviy and the strengh he gives to Diana. I enjoy him as a character and I find him interesting. I like "Genocide" (crappy name), it creeps me out. The lasso in its body was a nice idea, and overall, I think G.Simone play well with the characters. I think Wonderwoman is a very difficult character to write and for now, the writing has not been weak. I find the writing solid and clever. That's all I ask. I just posted something about the JLA, and now that I'm writzing this I can't help myself to wonder "how the hell do I do to read JLA when I have WW ?"

Anyway I agree with you BrianWilly, I feel the narrative is not ... "clear". Of course I suspect something is down the road, but .... it seems .. "incomplete" as you put it. Yeah, weird. I suppose when several arcs will be done, a new reading of it will light thing up. But for now. I find it sometimes complicated to read. I remember the "dark horizon" arc, I was not comprehending everything because I was trying to understand every "subtitles".
Anyway I think, Wonderwoman is great now, and I hope it will be this way.

Hey, BTW, about colorists too, what is the color of the DMA's men again ? Sometimes red, sometimes black, sometimes red, sometimes black. WTF?

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know. I was really excited for Simone's Wonder Woman run, but "Rise of the Olympian" has been really underwhelming to me so far. I like bits and pieces, but everything feels very confusing. People definitely are not acting the way they ought to, but I'm not sure I'm willing to wait it out for answers to why in some hypothetical future story that may or may not deliver in a big way. I'll probably give Simone one more arc to really get me into Wonder Woman, but if it keeps on the way it's been going, I'll probably end up dropping it.

[TheComicbookKid]

Wonder Woman 28

Simone's Wonder Woman is starting feel like the an unrequited love. I keep wanting to like this story but it's not really giving me much. The last time I stuck with a series like this was Xtreme Xmen and that was because I went in just for Salvador Larocca's art. Lopestri is fine but the art is lacking in some ways.

The Genocide character is all talk, and by talk I mean Simone keeps telling me how menacing it is without the art showing. I really hate some of Diana's speech as well. "To arms?etc" Dr Psycho is Sarge Steel? That's the highlight of the entire issue and it's like two pages.

The last part. The "Rise of the Olympian" is interesting as well but leads to a larger situation I feared when I actually heard about the story. Diana hasn't completed her mission so replace her. But what exactly are the Gods ultimate goal especially in light of the fact they confuse/lost their memories.

I really should drop this title but I want to get to know this character better.

[CaptainCanada]

So far, I'd say that most things work in this story, except Genocide herself, who's nowhere near as threatening as everyone is acting. Simone's writing excellent reactions to a never-before-seen threat, but she's not supplied the threat.

Apart from that, I do like that Cheetah is finally getting depicted as intelligent again; it only took a couple of years and an elaborate Scans_daily series on the topic. And the Diana/Donna/Cassie trio, which hasn't really been a part of the book since Jiminez (Donna being dead for much of the time; Heinberg seemed to want to reemphasize this, but, as with most of his run, it didn't work), is done well (the matching Ross-esque armours are a great touch).

On the Diana/Tom stuff, I know Simone keeps dropping hints that there's some bigger story behind this, but I really wish she'd just get to the part where she explains what's going on.

[phoenixflight]

I also really enjoyed seeing Diana...Donna...Cassie together again. The Eagle armor on each of them is simply great!! Gold...Silver...Bronze (very Olympics). It seems like they make a point of showing that Donna's lasso is now SILVER...what's up with that?? I wonder what it does differently from Diana's and Cassie's?

Genocide does not seem like a very interesting villain yet...but I'll wait to see where the storyline goes.

[TheComicbookKid]

http://io9.com/5158443/wonder-woman-finds-guilt-grumpiness-at-end-of-the-world

Issue 29 preview

[TheCorpulent1]

That is a super-awesome cover.

[CLARKY]

I disagree :I don't like the cover at all. :( Nice preview anyway.
The last issue was fine for me and did explain more things that seemed ... "confusing" to me. I kind of agree with everyone's thoughts about Genocide : all talk, that's all. Well almost the girl (thing?) has killed a lot a was pretty tough but was not as horrible and bad as it is lead to believe.
I loved to see the amazon armors back, and I'm quite happy to see Tom Tresser part of the battle, like an amazon. I think it is brilliant.
I think the concept itself of men amazons is huge and great. I do not understand why it has not been done before. But I'm not sure I understand the intentions of Zeus. Does he like the Amazons ? If not why did he say he would give them death and finally : he does not. He build the army of men. Why bring back all the amazons of the world if he just want to kill them ?!?!
For now I like the book but I find it "hard" to read. I'm not a fan of Genocide but I wait a bit to see where it all leads.

[BrianWilly]

I can't believe that two issues ago I thought this was actually doing very well. Looking back on that review up there I'm like, "Oh, if only I had known."

[CaptainCanada]

But I'm not sure I understand the intentions of Zeus. Does he like the Amazons ? If not why did he say he would give them death and finally : he does not. He build the army of men. Why bring back all the amazons of the world if he just want to kill them ?!?!
Zeus does like the Amazons; he wants to fulfill Athena's request that he look out for them by relieving them of the task they were given at creation some 3000 years earlier (hence, the Olympians) and sending them to Elysium, the elite paradise for dead heroes, where they will rest for eternity.

[Lobo]

I hate that cover :(

[TheComicbookKid]

Don't worry, it's a 1-10 variant.

[Lobo]

What's the other cover?

[TheComicbookKid]

http://www.dccomics.com/dcu/comics/?cm=11151

[Lobo]

Thanks, I like that one better, though i despise Genocides design altogether.

[TheCorpulent1]

I like the variant. It's iconic and it harkens back to the olden days of comics.

[TheComicbookKid]

Wonder Woman 29- Rise of the Olympian 4(or as i called it. I was this close to dropping it but things picked up!)

Ok, this is one of those, "it's so bad it's good" kind of situations. Everything about this issue is substandard. The art lacks any kind of resonance. The pacing of the stories are shoved around. Genocide is in one panel, Zeus and Cheetah take up the other half, and the Manazons get three. On top of an Origins an Omens.

But these are the plot threads I've been interested in. You know, "Rise of the Olympian."

So in the actual issue- We have the Genocide character suddenly disappering into thin air. Wait, Where was the explosion that destroyed the DMA? Cause everyone seemed to walk away with minor scraps and those that did die, Wonder Woman and Gail don't seem to interested in telling us about or giving any weight to their deaths. Cassie is critically injured and a huge point to anger with Donna but the issue quickly moves beyond the wreckage.

Cheetah, makes her escape plan to get Psycho-Steel out for her masterplan of evil. She attacks Wonder Woman in her weakened state and gives her a fight but Wondy gets the upper hand and stops her. Not before accomplishing her goal getting Psycho-Steel out as he runs into Steve Trevor.

Now we have the Manazons attacking a Navy vessel. How did they take down an entire ship? Don't worry, doesn't matter. They are just that good despite not having fought a war in 3000 years. (I'm pretty sure you can't just through some hooks over the railing) And for good measure, pull an "Aquaman" and have a giant squid attack the vessel!

Now we have Zeus against Kane, Wonder Woman's new patron god. After a less than epic "Clash of the Titans" battle, Kane is defeated and his heart is stolen so it can be the heart of Zeus' champion.

Lastly the Origins in Omens. Hippolyta, dressed up and somehow leaving Themiscyra, despite being killed I thought? She has a heart-to-heart with Tom, now in the hospital, relaying Gail's (enhanced) version of Diana's creation/explanation for the costume. And giving us a glimpse of Diana's future plot threads. A pregnant Amazon, Wondy with blood on her hands, Olympian's battles, and Tom walking away.

After all that, It might sound like I should hate the ish, but it worked. Similarly to Battlestar's recent ep. "No Exit", it was a satisfying info dump of information, but I wished they have better paced the explanations over several episodes. This issue feels like we hit the break really hard just before shifting into another gear. Exciting, yeah, but don't do that again.

8/10

[phoenixflight]

I know that this is not the place for it, but...

WONDER WOMAN vs ARES STATUE
Designed by Walter O'Neal; sculpted by Jack Mathews

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It's a battle for the ages when Amazon princess Wonder Woman takes on her archenemy Ares, the God of War, on the treacherous terrain of an ancient battlefield.

Wonder Woman battles not only Ares, but an army of undead warriors summoned across the millennia. From Viking to Roman to World War I, soldiers in league with Ares rise to his aid.

This limited-edition, hand-painted, cold-cast porcelain statue measures approximately 13.5" high x 11" wide x 10.5" deep, is packaged in a 4-color box with a 4-color Certificate of Authenticity and is manufactured to order.

* Minor assembly required.

$ 250.00 US | On Sale December 9, 2009

QUESTION FOR THE MASSES...
I'm seeking clarification...how many people really feel that Ares is her #1 villain (archenemy)? Or do we think it's Cheetah? Yeah I know, Ares got her off the island but is that enough? Hasn't the Cheetah been a thorn in her side more than Ares?

[TheComicbookKid]

I don't think Wonder Woman actually has an archenemy. I doubt most comic fans can name one of Ares' evil plots and while Cheetah is more familiar from cartoons and etc, she hasn't posed a threat to WW in so many years that she's hardly deserving of #1 status.

[TheCorpulent1]

Circe?

[spark627]

I don't think Wonder Woman actually has an archenemy. I doubt most comic fans can name one of Ares' evil plots and while Cheetah is more familiar from cartoons and etc, she hasn't posed a threat to WW in so many years that she's hardly deserving of #1 status.

She def has archenemies (Ares, Circe, Cheetah). Most comic fans can name one of Ares' plots bc it is what brough WW to America (at least in her pre-crisis origin), he also helped bring down Zeus later on in Rucka's run. Cheetah has def posed a threat to WW! She was around for the end of Volume 2, one of the villians in the first arc of Volume 3 and she is currently the mastermind behind the society and Genocide (a new archenemy) in the current arc. Considering what Cheetah is currently doing to WW, I would say she is her #1 villian.

I really think the only reason WW's villians aren't well known is bc she hasn't had multiple animated series and films to introduce the villians. In the 70's television series, she dealt with human villians that weren't really any threat. Batman's villians are well known bc of the large exposure across all media.

[TheComicbookKid]

Listen, I'm one of those fans. I didn't start reading WW until Gail Simone came on board and I didn't start reading DC comics until Smallville came on tv( I watched Lois and Clark etc) but knew stories like Whatever Happened to the Man of Tommorrow, Year One, TDK, and etc. I didn't even know Wonder Woman had been rebooted until like 2007. I have heard Gods and Mortals quite a bit from WW fans since reading.

Telling me Ares plan was to destroy America is like saying Lex Luthor's plan is to destroy Superman. I don't mean general readers can tell you exactly what Lex plans were, but they know the general conceit of the villains schemes. Metallo's colored Kryptonite, Joker's laughing gas, etc. WW's villains lack a certain je ne sais que which is refreshing in one sense but doesn't lend itself to memory well.


Heck, look at the recent animated movie and JL. They used the same plot point, A god loving Hippolyta, and used two different gods in the same story point(Hades and Ares). Neither of which are actually in the comics version. And these are writers that work with comic characters.

Even the Flash's Rogue Gallery got better respect.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ares' plans almost always involve preying on humanity's aggressive nature to incite conflict between people. That's a thing, I guess. As much as Metallo's colored Kryptonite or the Joker's laughing gas, anyway.

[spark627]

Listen, I'm one of those fans. I didn't start reading WW until Gail Simone came on board and I didn't start reading DC comics until Smallville came on tv( I watched Lois and Clark etc) but knew stories like Whatever Happened to the Man of Tommorrow, Year One, TDK, and etc. I didn't even know Wonder Woman had been rebooted until like 2007. I have heard Gods and Mortals quite a bit from WW fans since reading.

Telling me Ares plan was to destroy America is like saying Lex Luthor's plan is to destroy Superman. I don't mean general readers can tell you exactly what Lex plans were, but they know the general conceit of the villains schemes. Metallo's colored Kryptonite, Joker's laughing gas, etc. WW's villains lack a certain je ne sais que which is refreshing in one sense but doesn't lend itself to memory well.


Heck, look at the recent animated movie and JL. They used the same plot point, A god loving Hippolyta, and used two different gods in the same story point(Hades and Ares). Neither of which are actually in the comics version. And these are writers that work with comic characters.

Even the Flash's Rogue Gallery got better respect.

I get what you are saying, but I disagree somewhat. I think Giganta, Cheetah and Ares are very memorable and most comic readers have a general idea of who they are. Are they on the same level as Superman's and Batman's villians? No, they never will be until WW gets the same respect and attention on tv, dvd and movies that they do.

I am not sure what you by the animated movie using Hades and Ares, who aren't in the comics version. Hades may not be as important as say Athena is in the WW stories but he is certainly there and as I said Ares plays a huge role in WW's life... so what do you mean by that?

[TheComicbookKid]

I get what you are saying, but I disagree somewhat. I think Giganta, Cheetah and Ares are very memorable and most comic readers have a general idea of who they are. Are they on the same level as Superman's and Batman's villians? No, they never will be until WW gets the same respect and attention on tv, dvd and movies that they do.

They are certainly colorful characters. It's not really about being on the level of Supes/Bats or getting respect. That took years of work. But the Flash Rogue Gallery have a unique relationship to the character. Wonder Woman seems disconnected, imo, to her rogues gallery that is something much deeper that i'm not sure about yet.


I am not sure what you by the animated movie using Hades and Ares, who aren't in the comics version. Hades may not be as important as say Athena is in the WW stories but he is certainly there and as I said Ares plays a huge role in WW's life... so what do you mean by that?

Hercules seduced Hippolyta in Perez story. JLU it was Hades, WW-A it was Ares. Same role, different character. You put Joker in Joe Chill's role and it changes the entire dynamic of their relationship.

[spark627]

They are certainly colorful characters. It's not really about being on the level of Supes/Bats or getting respect. That took years of work. But the Flash Rogue Gallery have a unique relationship to the character. Wonder Woman seems disconnected, imo, to her rogues gallery that is something much deeper that i'm not sure about yet.

hmm, I agree to an extent about WW being disconnected from her villians. Her villians really just hate her, I think it is deeper for Circe and Cheetah though. I would say they are motivated by WW and have more personal feelings about WW, and vice versa.


Hercules seduced Hippolyta in Perez story. JLU it was Hades, WW-A it was Ares. Same role, different character. You put Joker in Joe Chill's role and it changes the entire dynamic of their relationship.[/quote]

ahhh, I see what you are saying. I imagine this happens bc the typical mainstream Hercules is a hero, portraying him as Perez did would probably be confusing. If there is ever a WW film, it is guaranteed Hercules would not be involved.. they may not even have the rights to use him.

[BrianWilly]

Wonder Woman #31: This **** just got really frakkin' interesting. (http://dcublog.dccomics.com/2009/04/27/kick-off-the-week-with-a-look-at-wonder-woman-31/)

[TheComicbookKid]

Yawn.

"I'm too generous with the ladies."
So Ares became a pimp while in exile with the space suit Gods? Why isn't he dressed in a space suit by the way? And why does he seemingly have his memories fully in tact?

[BrianWilly]

He probably wasn't in space at all. He was ruler of Hades when Olympus was attacked, which is its own realm.

[Manic]

And for the record, Ares has a notoriously strong pimp hand.

[BrianWilly]

You know how gay Corp is for Loki? I'm that gay for Ares, except multiplied by actual homosexuality. Which is pretty gay.

[The Major]

QUESTION FOR THE MASSES...
I'm seeking clarification...how many people really feel that Ares is her #1 villain (archenemy)?

I do.

Or do we think it's Cheetah? Yeah I know, Ares got her off the island but is that enough?

Getting her off the island isn't what makes him special in her rogues gallery. He's the real god of war. Everything WW is he's the opposite.

Hasn't the Cheetah been a thorn in her side more than Ares?
Yeah. Though Circe has done more then both in the last decade.

[The Major]

They are certainly colorful characters. It's not really about being on the level of Supes/Bats or getting respect. That took years of work. But the Flash Rogue Gallery have a unique relationship to the character. Wonder Woman seems disconnected, imo, to her rogues gallery that is something much deeper that i'm not sure about yet.

Which rogues are you talking about? Minerva, Ares, Circe, Silver Swan II, Medousa, Alkyone and Veronica Cale all have deep, unique relationships with WW.

[TheCorpulent1]

You know how gay Corp is for Loki? I'm that gay for Ares, except multiplied by actual homosexuality. Which is pretty gay.
I know exactly how gay I am for Loki and I gotta say, what you've just described must certainly be a gay overload. Although, if we're getting some classic Ares action amidst all this crap with the amnesiac space-gods, I'm pretty gay for Ares, too.

[BrianWilly]

He's forcing the butch lesbian to kiss his phallus! It's glorious! And that death god armor. Lookit. He's not just a war god anymore, he's a death god. There will be death.

[TheCorpulent1]

Honestly, what's the point of modernizing gods when their ancient, armored, old-world selves are so unbelievably awesome?

[The Major]

Honestly, what's the point of modernizing gods when their ancient, armored, old-world selves are so unbelievably awesome?
Depends on the gods. Some can be updated and work, like Athena in Rucka's run. Gods like Ares, Poseidon and Zeus work best in their original forms.

[TheCorpulent1]

Modernize their motives and their means, sure, but leave them their awesome old-school looks. I can't stand the wonky Starfleet uniforms Zeus and the other gods are in right now.

[blksuperman2]

Modernize their motives and their means, sure, but leave them their awesome old-school looks. I can't stand the wonky Starfleet uniforms Zeus and the other gods are in right now.

I completely agree. Why are the gods wearing space uniforms? I kept thinking that they should be following the Prime Directive and not interfering at all.

[Motown Marvel]

damn....this last issue was pretty intense.

[BrianWilly]

Yeah, I really enjoyed it, to my surprizzle. Details to come! Seriously, expect walls of text.

[Motown Marvel]

when wonder woman ripped the lasso out of genocide i was like F*** YES WONDER WOMAN!

[BrianWilly]

Wonder Woman #32
Rise of the Olympian: Finale (http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/7384/47077546.jpg)

So.

Let's check back with this book, shall we.

And let's get the unexpected praise out of the way at once: this final issue and the issue immediately prior were both damned good. This praise is unexpected, because a whole busload of things before these two issues threatened to positions this arc as one of the most frustrating Wonder Woman stories I've ever read. And y'all? I've read a lot of Wonder Woman stories.

So what went wrong? What went right?

First of all, there were seven whole issues of this arc. Right off the bat that should raise alarm bells. Very few writers are capable of giving readers even six whole issues of outright good issues. Virtually no writer does a seven-issue arc much justice. Simone's first arc on this book, ever so glorious in retrospect, was only four issues. Only four issues, and she managed to do so much! And now we have "Rise of the Olympian, " a seven-issue arc that ultimatesly does depressingly little, considering that three whole issues out of those seven whole issues were devoted to one thing: Genocide. In particular, Diana fighting with Genocide.

This Was Not Good. Why? Not just because three whole issues of the same two people fighting each other is retarded beyond belief, but also because, in case you didn't get the memo, Genocide sucks. She is not a good character. People. We are nearing Forerunner levels of critical mass here.

I've said it before and I say it again: Genocide's basic conception is to be Diana's dark mirror, and this has been both done to death and done better. Cheetah, as Perez originall conceived her, was Diana's dark mirror. Circe, also, has taken up that role slowly but surely throughout the '90s and '00s. Devastation played the part during a drawn-out saga by Eric Luke. Hilariously, Genocide even looks a lot like Devastation (http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8152/194876167446devastation.jpg), almost like someone took all of Deva's traits -- already bordering dangerously on 90s excess -- and decided to make them even more XXXXXtreme. Even their names are similar, which doesn't help matters.

But unlike any of those prior characters? Genocide isn't interesting. She really doesn't do anything, and she has nothing to say. She keeps talking about death and darkness and hurting and pain and then she keeps beating people up. She's just a bully, and she's mean, and that's it. She doesn't say anything. Put her up against, oh I dunno, Wolverine or something, and all of a sudden you can get some growly grisly fight scenes and call it a day. Put her up against Wonder Woman, though? It doesn't work. Wonder Woman says things. She represents things. What's Genocide supposed to represent? Death? Evil? Hatred? Meanness?

The reveal in #31 that Genocide is made from Diana's future corpse is...well, it's a freaky twist, sure, but still...so what? What does this bring to the character? What possible purpose does this serve? Even though this character is supposed to "be Diana," she still doesn't look, act, talk, or behave anything like Diana. She doesn't have Diana's memories or her powers. She herself doesn't seem to even know. So why should we care if she's made from Diana or not if it has no affect whatsoever on the character, tactile or otherwise? There's a lot to be said for the potential of an "evil Diana." Not just "Diana's dark reflection," but literally an "evil Diana." Given Diana's narration in this issue I believe that's the subtext we were supposed to glean from this character as a whole but, again, it just doesn't actually come across in practice because Genocide doesn't feel like Diana -- evil, reflected, or otherwise -- but like a whole separate character. A boring separate character.

A great deal of attention in this arc -- and throughout Simone's whole run so far, really -- was fixated on Diana's great fear of turning into a heartless monster from constantly losing herself in the heat of battle, something that she secretly enjoys. It's a characterization that, well, does have its merits, although the vast majority of her writers have never really emphasized it as a valid trait. Even as legions of WW writers made her out to be nothing but a battlin' warrior who does nothing but fight all day long, none of her writers have ever truly suggested that she's in danger of losing herself to it. And almost every single good WW writer -- Perez, Rucka, Jimenez to the extent he was able -- have actually made it quite clear that she doesn't enjoy the battle so much and would much rather be doing other things. Some others like Busiek, Luke, and Moehler have hinted at a darker nature that she fears in herself but, again, never gave it a great deal of weight.

Simone, on the other hand, seems to be giving it a great deal of weight. I remember some months ago -- gosh, has it been a year? -- that my biggest complaint about Simone's run was all that waxing poetic she had Diana do about the glory of war and the rages of battle fury sun blood-drenched blood battle war blood battle blood war sun. Even today, even after it's become pretty clear that she's actually going somewhere with all this and it actually serves a greater story purpose, it's still all I can do not to roll my eyes whenever a passage like that appears in an issue, and believe me they do appear. For someone who has continually expressed her understanding that WW is equal parts warrior and peacemaker, Simone's shown a pretty clear favoritism of one personality over the other. My point is, it doesn't take a genius to read between the lines of all this Genocide business to see that this character is what Diana without her scruples is meant to be.

Again, though, it Just. Doesn't. Work. Genocide is not going to remind anyone of Diana, with or without her scruples, because she doesn't have any of Diana's traits. Imagine if someone made an evil Reed Richards...except that this Reed -- let's follow Simone's example and call him "Black Death" because it's an evil-sounding name --doesn't actually stretch, nor is he smart in any way. He doesn't have Reed's gray temples, his hair is long instead of short, he wears flaming red armor, and he has no family or friends, much less any that remotely resemble the family and friends that Reed would usually hang out with.

So...who the f*** is this character? It would certainly not be Reed. Just like Genocide makes no sense as anything of Diana's since she has no connection to Diana at all. Simone simply keeps telling us that this is Diana at her worst, but doesn't show us.

Which is the other great, destructive fault of this storyline. Simone tells instead of shows. It's been brought up before and not just by me, and it needs to be re-brought up because it is so pertinent to why this arc underwhelms on a whole. Simone just...she doesn't show. She tells us things. She tells us what Diana is feeling and what Diana feels about other characters and she tells us how other characters feel about her, etc. She tell us how they feel about events. She tells us what those events are that they feel things about. She tells us about how scary something is, or how epic, or how funny, or sad. In short, she over-abuses Diana's textbox narration to a criminal extent. I can't recall if Birds of Prey ever suffered from this problem, but I'm seeing tiny shades of it sprinkled throughout Secret Six. In any case, almost every great moment throughout this arc -- and there are quite a few, in spite of my overall cynicism -- are those that mostly just show what's happening, letting the moment speak for itself, letting the characters tell us of the moment instead of about it.

With this latest issue, Simone seems to...well, she doesn't exactly finally get it per se, because there's still so many instances of Simone telling us what we're supposed to think about something instead of showing us something to make us think. But she seem to finally be able to strike a balance of sorts, so she's not really using all those Claremontian text boxes as giant crutches for actual storytelling.

It also helps a lot -- a whole f***ing lot -- that Simone really upped the ante for this fight, as you can see from the above scan. This is the kind of **** that would happen when two god characters collide, not that short scrap way back in #26. I mean, something like that is perfectly serviceable for, again, someone like Wolverine, but did little justice to characters like Wonder Woman or even Genocide. Ooh they're punching each other, how dire, etc etc. So, yes, on the upside, holy **** the fight in this latest issue was goddamn awesome. On the downside, why the heck wasn't this the first fight? They fight once and neither one of them does anything impressive, and then they fight again and neither one of them does anything impressive, and then they fight for a third time and it's finally impressive? I'm not sure whether to praise or criticize Simone for that. Regardless, it makes this issue stand out.

It also really helps that Lopresti friggin' delivered the goods for this issue. With this issue, he finally seems to get it. This was the first of Lopresti's issues that I was really impressed by, where in my opinion he's found his stride. This (http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7940/ww32dylux3copy.jpg) is the first picture of WW I've seen from him that actually feels 100% like her. Just, um, please to ignore that dialogue by Simone there which is just more blood blood war battle drenched on battle warrior blood angry war battle.

Which brings me to another reason for this lackluster arc, one that I hate to say but am I going to say anyway: Lopresti. I understand that this guy is apparently a very respected, long-running artist. And his work is fine. He's a very good artist, better than most. But I struggle with his work in this series. I actually prefer it when Bernard Chang comes in to replace him on the occasional fill-ins. For a guy known for his fantasy works, I find his rendition of Diana's arms and armor to be chronically awkward. Hell, even the worst artists seem to do okay on that eagle armor that Alex Ross designed, yet Lopresti makes it look like the most oblong, clunky thing to wear. And add colorist Matt Ryan to the long list of things that don't help this arc succeed; for the most part he makes everything really dull. Diana's costume, which of course usually draws a lot of focus from their bright primary colors (amongst other things), occasially feels desaturated and unimpressive throughout these issues...especially her star-spangled shorts which, usually a rich blue, has been incredibly flat and almost purple.

But none of those art issues are as much an issue for me as Lopresti's tendency to just...leave things undrawn. He has a..."style," I guess you would call it...where he puts a whole bunch of white, undrawn panels in the background. So we basically just get a character or two doing things on...nowhere, with nothing. All over these issues. Doesn't seem to matter if it's a action scene or a "park and bark" scene, he seems to do this in equal measure. I don't know if people actually like that he does this, or if they just don't care, but for me? Major no-no. It looks bad. It looks unfinished, undynamic, uneffective, no scale, no emotion. I mean it's just empty space, and it keeps popping up. It especially hurts the earlier fight scenes. Especially! When you combine it with Simone's aforementioned tell-not-show technique, but now not only are we not being narratively shown anything, but we're also not really being visually shown anything either! So we're just...basically, we get nothing. With flat colors.

And it also really doesn't help matters that Genocide's only powers (aside from punching people really hard) is to teleport and to manipulate their emotions. Two completely invisible processes. Oh yeah, that'll help this story be exciting.

Okay, so that...allll...that...was what didn't work. So what works?

The Olympians work. Or Gargareans or Thalarions or whichever. If you only read their portion of the story here, along with what's happening to the Amazons, the story ends up being a pretty interesting story. There's a grand mytharc brewing here, the pieces are being set, the cards are being dealt, the goats are being milked, the yards are being nined, whatever, it's going down. And it involves literally every single cast member that Wonder Woman has. (Hmm, wait no, I forgot about the Kapetelises, which isn't hard to do...but then, I'm pretty sure Simone plans to have include them at some point as well) It's too bad that, y'know, we haven't had all that much reaction from the damn protagonist of this book concerning these developments but, as we know, she was busy doing other very important things. Yup, Genocide is totally so much more important than Zeus' self-righteous madness or the army of Zombie Argonauts that's ransacking the nations of the...okay, no, I can't keep that up. You'll notice that I mentioned I liked #31 as well and, no surprise there, Genocide doesn't even appear in person at all in the issue. Why the **** Simone managed to brew interest in an arc called "Rise of the Olympian" and then devote 75% of the story to Genocide, I'll never know.

On that note, I have to say that although I'm fond of the Thalympareans or whatever, I'm not too sure what I think of..."Achilles"...just yet. His power set doesn't seem so interesting either, and so far his character has done nothing to set himself apart other than to think and talk like an ignorant anachronism. On the other hand, he's being introduced in the same arc that gave us Genocide, so he pretty much just automatically seems like a pretty darn good character.

Oh ****, I just discovered Simone's secret plan.

Speaking of which...Nemesis. And the development this issue. Didn't see that coming. Makes Diana look like a massive ass. And I never once thought Simone would have the guts to go through with it. I mean, I understood logically that it was a possibility, and all the hints were there, but...still, I'm impressed.

On the other hand, who here actually thinks this is the end of the Tom/Diana romance? I don't, not by a long shot. Especially considering that, for all appearances, there's a good chance that the Gargareans and Amazons are going to end up as one tribe when all is said and done, which probably means that Achilles is going to try to woo Diana...and you think Tresser is not going to be a factor anymore? I'd say "Not on your life," but then, I'm not really sure what to expect from this series anymore.

So, what to expect from this series? I dunno. I'm quite hopeful for more mythological dramarama and less Genocide, and it looks like the upcoming arcs will fulfill that desire...so, I'm still very onboard. Still, these past seven issues have left a very unpleasant scar across the Simone run, a cruel reminder that Simone, for all that she is deservedly respected in many ways, is still prone to many faults. Reoccuring faults, at that, which is something I've known about her since before she took over this book. They were absent for a good while. They are absent no longer. This arc has lit up all her bad qualities in bright flashing neon, and showcased very few of her good ones. I wouldn't be surprised if it has left many jumping ship. I remain. For the time being. Hey why the **** am I talking like this.

(8.7 out of 10)
(3.9 out of 10 for the entire arc)

[Motown Marvel]

i didnt mind genocide so much as a character really. she's a mindless brute, but im okay with that character popping up every once in a while. it works when utilized properly. my main problem with her is the design, she just looks awful.

[TheComicbookKid]

All I'll say is, "Someone get Gail Simone a chiropractor because that's the only way you can twist this Olympians story to make any sense."

This story borrows from the worst aspect of Blockbuster movie writing. Characters act just stupidly enough, or react just stupidly enough, and say just a little enough to validate the stories progression.

If WW didn't know Athena was dead, why would she barely say anything when she found out?

[BrianWilly]

Of all the things in this arc that could have actually used some text-box narration, that would have been it. "Athena? I heard you were dead." Wait...what? How? When? That really annoyed me as well. Like I said, Simone keeps having Diana tell us all this useless ****, and then there's things that we really should know but for some reason aren't being touched.

I don't think anything is blatantly wrong with Genocide as just a regular villain doing a villain thing. It's just that, as a major villain headlining the biggest Wonder Woman story for issue after issue after issue, she sucks. There's no other way to say it. She sucks badly. First issue, Genocide fights Diana. Issue two, Genocide fights DMA. And then the JLA. Issue three, Genocide fights Diana, her sisters, and JLA. What the hell.

[TheComicbookKid]

Yeah, I think the true problem I pinpoint with her run is the fact that she has built mysteries ontop of mysteries. The whole thing feels so contrived even though you can tell its been setup. You can't trust the Gods because you don't know what happened to them,but you're still waiting for the Ichor reveal on top of WW not questioning this. You can say the same thing about her mother and the Amazons. Simone acknowledges the AA event happened but not the conversations that should happen because of it. Wouldn't it have been so much better to have Di and Hippolyata discussing whether they should even continue Themiscyra? Dr. Morrow should have seen WW's body on the table so why wasn't the reveal until the next issue?

I'm guessing Cheetah's plan with Psycho was her own doing and not Ares influence.


The entire Genocide reveal is so dumb:
If WW knows her lasso is only capable of being used to its fullest by her then she should have realized Genocide was connected to her and tried to investigate.

[Eros]

Gail Simone really needs to read a few issue of The Incredible Hercules, becuase Marvels Hercules and his mythology is just so much morr fun and interesting then wondies crap.

[Manic]

I know I'm going to be in the minority here, but I'm upset to see that Diana didn't really have any feelings for Tom.

[spark627]

Of all the things in this arc that could have actually used some text-box narration, that would have been it. "Athena? I heard you were dead." Wait...what? How? When? That really annoyed me as well. Like I said, Simone keeps having Diana tell us all this useless ****, and then there's things that we really should know but for some reason aren't being touched.

I don't think anything is blatantly wrong with Genocide as just a regular villain doing a villain thing. It's just that, as a major villain headlining the biggest Wonder Woman story for issue after issue after issue, she sucks. There's no other way to say it. She sucks badly. First issue, Genocide fights Diana. Issue two, Genocide fights DMA. And then the JLA. Issue three, Genocide fights Diana, her sisters, and JLA. What the hell.


Diana wasn't about to say "I heard you were dead", she was about to say 'I heard you were missing". Gail confirmed this on the DC message boards.

I don't mind Genocide, except her horrible design, but they nonstop, nonanswered mysteries are hard to deal with. Gail has mentioned most if not all will be answered by #35.

[BrianWilly]

I know I'm going to be in the minority here, but I'm upset to see that Diana didn't really have any feelings for Tom.I would feel more sad about it if I thought for a second that it was the end of their relationship. Nah, it's merely Act 2. Their story might not end well, but it certainly doesn't end here.

Diana wasn't about to say "I heard you were dead", she was about to say 'I heard you were missing". Gail confirmed this on the DC message boards.Again though, if that's the case, I wish that were actually shown in any way in the issue itself. Simone wastes all this time having Diana blab and natter in her head about all this useless ****e, and then leaves out things that her story really needs in order to flow. Her going on message boards after the fact and having it explain it "Oh yeah guys this is how it really is you see?" just makes it seem more like something she just didn't even notice at the time and is just now trying to damage-control.

[Manic]

The solicit for August says that we'll "find out the resolution between Diana and Nemesis." I have a feeling this relationship is over. After all, she's only leading him on.

[phoenixflight]

Alittle off topic but still news worthy...

THE ESSENTIAL WONDER WOMAN ENCYCLOPEDIA
By Phil Jimenez; Cover Art by Adam Hughes
Release Date: February 23, 2010
Company: DC Comics / Del Ray Publishing
Price: $29.99

Here is the cover art...
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/6879/wonderwomanencyclopedia.jpg

[Manic]

Damn you, AH! Where's that All Star series you said would be out in 2007?

[NightBeetle]

What do you guys think about this?

'Why All The Wonder Woman Hate?''
http://io9.com/5272808/why-all-the-wonder-woman-hate

Commenting on the upset about her comment, Marvel Comics' Brian Michael Bendis - writer of New Avengers, Dark Avengers and the upcoming Spider-Woman, amongst many others - twittered (http://twitter.com/BRIANMBENDIS/status/1964930465) a couple (http://twitter.com/BRIANMBENDIS/status/1964971964) of additional jabs.


''Spider-Woman is cooler than Wonder Woman in every way possible. Wonder Woman's got a pipply ass! she's the pipply ass of comics!! Spider-Woman has better hair, better costume, frank cho implants and a ****ed up origin. Wonder Woman is a walking std farm!!''



The problem with Wonder Woman may be that the conflicts within her character - even if, as Rucka points out, the character herself has come to terms with them - make it harder for people to come up with an idea of who Wonder Woman is (Not for nothing was her series relaunched in 2007 with a storyline called "Who Is Wonder Woman," after all), and they end up looking at all the... well, the unimportant things, instead. It's understandable, in one sense, for people to focus on the way the character looks; comics are a visual medium, and she's not alone in that sense of objectification (Captain America, Batman and Superman are three male characters who have become similarly misunderstood because of their iconic, somewhat dated, looks), and just as easy for people to base misconceptions of the character on the little bits of her pop culture identity that they can remember: the invisible plane, the lasso of truth, and so on. But none of those things are who Wonder Woman is. It's as if Batman was reduced to half-remembered snippets from the Adam West (http://io9.com/tag/adam-west/) television show from the 1960s.
It's a catch-22, of course; most people think Wonder Woman is lame because they don't know who Wonder Woman is, but they're unlikely to get to know Wonder Woman because they think Wonder Woman is lame. What she lacks is a Dark Knight Returns (or, for that matter, a The Dark Knight); a high-profile project that pushes people to re-evaluate the preconceptions and redefines the character in the mainstream consciousness, and not in the "Out of my way, sperm bank" direction (http://www.the-isb.com/?p=24)... Something made by people with enough name recognition that could overcome concerns or apathy about the character enough to convince the masses to at least give it a try, and enough understanding of what makes the character interesting, unlike her peers and... well, wonderful.
Anyone want to see if we can convince Joss Whedon (http://io9.com/tag/joss-whedon/) to come back to the idea of a Wonder Woman movie after all?

[BrianWilly]

Because people like Bendis and Megan Fox are the apex of intelligent critical discussion?

None of this is new. People have been "not getting" Wonder Woman for decades now. Those same people have never even read her stories, refuse to be recommended towards her successful runs, and have preconceptions up the wall. And yes, she's a woman. That right there is a severe strike as a comic book character.

[Manic]

I love Wonder Woman, but I'll agree with Bendis that Spider-Woman has a better costume. Wonder Woman's costume may be "iconic," recognizable, and based off of American symbols, but it's also incredibly ugly. Red, white/silver, blue, and gold/yellow don't really work all that well together.

Joss Whedon's movie was really Wonder Woman's biggest chance at getting high profile exposure that'd help new people "get" the character the same way half of Batman's movies helped him. I'd have preferred if Whedon had also hired a co-writer who "got" the character more than he did, but that's moot now.

[TheComicbookKid]

Thanks, NightB for making your first post in the WW thread something just to rile up us fans. Without giving your own opinion as well.

[Cain]

I agree with Greg Rucka when he said

"I honestly think DC/WB has no idea who her target audience is. I suspect, more often than not, they think she has none."

that's real talk and why they never pursued an animated series or even live action movie with the same energy they do with Superman and Batman.

I dropped this book cause Heinberg frustrated the **** out of me. I gave Amazons Attack a read to see if I would pick it back up but nah in the end I thought it was a mess and I usually enjoy Simone's writing but "it's just not there with WW" I hear people say so I'm also cautious about her run. I have no problem reading Wonder Woman if it's actually worth the 3 bucks but it's like DC themselves doesn't even know what to do with the poor character anymore.

[TheComicbookKid]

I agree with Greg Rucka when he said

"I honestly think DC/WB has no idea who her target audience is. I suspect, more often than not, they think she has none."

that's real talk and why they never pursued an animated series or even live action movie with the same energy they do with Superman and Batman.

Actually they did try to get an animated series. Apparently toy companies have a big say in what becomes a cartoon because of merchandising and liscensing(Who knew, I didn't). They said they wouldn't push as much product with WW as they would a male hero.

[Cain]

Actually they did try to get an animated series. Apparently toy companies have a big say in what becomes a cartoon because of merchandising and liscensing(Who knew, I didn't). They said they wouldn't push as much product with WW as they would a male hero.

Oh my damn I didn't know that and the bolded is so foul. They should've tried pitching it as The Steve Trevor and Wonder Woman Power Half Hour. Maybe then they could've gotten something but then again the toy companies just would've been like "who the **** is Steve Trevor?"

[Manic]

That reminds me of when the anime Cardcaptor Sakura was dubbed for American TV. They wanted to attract a male audience, so they renamed the show Cardcaptors, and skipped over the first seven episodes so they could air the episodes where the male character Li joined the cast.

[CaptainCanada]

Preview of #33 (http://comics.ign.com/articles/996/996827p1.html).

Canon Immigrant alert!

[BrianWilly]

As badass as that was, and as excited as I am to see wtf happens...I just can't...Simone keeps skipping important things. The Amazons are all back on the island now? They're somehow united as a nation again? Okay, but how come we don't get to see that? They're just...they're all there again, without a great deal of explanation, Diana herself just accepts it even though there's absolutely no way she would know anything about how they got there, great, let's move on?

[TheComicbookKid]

Oh my God thank you, BW! I thought I was being a hater and wasn't going to say anything. I completely agree.

This story has gone on too dang long. Simone is falling for her character too much and repeating the same situations again just to prove it. Wonder Woman is beaten and bruised, carried to safety with those closest to her remorsing at her greatness as the "best." She's even repeating Diana's mumbled, incoherent dialogue stuff. Didn't that happen at the beginning of this arc?

You would have thought Zeus hadn't threatened to kill to them as calm as they are acting.


Beyond the fact that she didn't even see so badly mangled at the end of last issue that see needed the clam.

[Manic]

Simone is trying too hard. She needs to step back for an issue or two and give us some exposition. I've never wanted a Dragonball Z-esque flashback issue so badly.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I was confused about the Amazons' return as well. They're so critical to what I enjoy about Wonder Woman, though, that I'm okay with overlooking the whys and wherefores of their return for now. I'm glad Hippolyta's getting back to form as well. She hasn't felt like herself for a long time, but that "fetch me my sword" line while facing down half a dozen gigantic beasts was awesome.

I bet the Amazons miss Aquaman right about now. :csad:

[spark627]

As badass as that was, and as excited as I am to see wtf happens...I just can't...Simone keeps skipping important things. The Amazons are all back on the island now? They're somehow united as a nation again? Okay, but how come we don't get to see that? They're just...they're all there again, without a great deal of explanation, Diana herself just accepts it even though there's absolutely no way she would know anything about how they got there, great, let's move on?

Well we saw Zeus create the golden arches (McDonalds?) for the Amazon to return and we saw the Bana Migdhall Amazons and Hippolyte agree to live together in peace... as for Diana's acceptance... don't know about that

[BrianWilly]

It's not the fact that they're all back on the island because, like you said, we saw that happening. It's the fact that they all apparently went back to business as usual on their little island, as if nothing significant had happened or is happening like, oh I dunno, Zeus threatening to end all their lives or something. The Amazon nation just went through the biggest fracturing and ordeal it has ever gone through. Their people were erased. Becoming a nation again should have been a gargantuan task. We needed to see that process of them getting past the past. And yet, looking at that scene now, it's as if they'd never been gone at all.

[CLARKY]

Yeah I agree there is something "odd" or "unusual" with Simone's writing and it disturbs me a bit. I enjoy most of what I comprehend, but the story behind Diana seems a bit confusing. Is there any interview where G.Simone would or did explain why she choses this kind of writing ? It was so fluid on BoP.
Anyway, I like what she is building with Wonderwoman but it seems that there is a lot of loose ends not solved at the end of each book. I completely dig the artist, I think he draw a very feminine and gorgeous WW, yet strong and muscular when needs to be. Last issue was full of subtilities like this, sometimes feminine, sometimes strong. I really dig the art of A.Lopresti, on this book anyway.

[Motown Marvel]

those sea creature designs were pretty awesome. i liked those a lot.

[blksuperman2]

So Diana can just easliy kill Ares and defy Zeus? After nearly being killed by Genocide?

WTH?

[TheComicbookKid]

Well, considering I doubt Ares is dead( he'll be back by editorial mandate or story wise). It made the whole scene even more puzzling.

What's the difference between Max Lord, Genocide, or Ares? Why did Genny get the attempted save while the other two got head injuries?

[TheCorpulent1]

There is no difference, really. You could argue that there was a difference in Diana's temperament each time, but basically this is the paradox of Wonder Woman: she wishes to spread peace as a warrior and she condones killing but only under very hazy, constantly shifting circumstances.

[BrianWilly]

The idea is that if WW had killed Genocide at that moment, it would have been borne out of hatred and vengeance, a totally personal act to murder someone for hurting her friends, which would have been very bad and stuff. She once spared Circe for the same reason. Killing Ares here was apparently a perfectly rational, impersonal, vengeance-free act. Or something.

Yeeeaah...well, I don't know if it stands up under scrutiny, but that's the reason we're given. *shrug*

My review of the ish:
Wonder Woman #33
So. Um. Yeah.

As per general consensus: some good things and good writing mixed within a smattering of WTFery to the nth degree. If you're looking for straight up action and cool sequences, for instance, it's all here in spades.

As I've said though, the Amazons' return is just weird. No mention nor attention at all is made of the fact that this entire nation just spent months in the bodies of mortal women. No mention, in fact, is made at all of the fact that these people were ever gone. And their absence doesn't feel like a background plot bunny that's going to be brought up again at some point, it's just...completely ignored. They're back to their duties, Hippolyta's got royal protocol running smoothly again, as it's if they'd always been home all this time. For some reason Diana just knows that they're back, and they all know about the Thalarions as well, and everyone just seems to know things they shouldn't and act ways that they shouldn't. It's just weird.

Obviously Ares isn't dead. I mean, obviously, we know this; hell, the last page contains a seed of his schemes still at play, literally. But what's weird is that the characters seem to act as if his death were very final, and that's very weird as well. Hello, he's a god? Hello? When has splitting open someone's noggin ever killed a god? Last time that happened, we got this (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Athena). I know comic book gods sometimes abbreviate the "im" part of "immortal," but still, unless that ax she had was filled with Kills Gods, I don't know what any one of them was expecting. At least decapitate if you mean business, instead of splitting down the middle!

And why is Diana acting like Zeus is still in charge of Olympus? Hello, remember when you ousted him? Zeus is apparently suffering from the crazies and thinks he's in charge, but Diana should know better. So she forsakes him (not for the first time), and forsakes her homelad (again, not for the first time), and we understand it's all a big deal as far as the moment goes -- and don't get me wrong, the moment is written very well indeed -- but it just doesn't seem to all fit together.

Simone is crafting for the long-term, and it does feel like the long-term is being set up to become one of the largest Wonder Woman stories ever with one of the biggest payoffs, but meanwhile the short-term is beginning to feel muddled and weak. Like I said, things just don't gell. We keep getting information that seems to fit fine on its own, but doesn't fit with other information. It's very unfortunate that Simone's run is turning from one of my must-gets of the month into something much more tentative.

(6.4 out of 10)

[TheComicbookKid]

Simone is crafting for the long-term, and it does feel like the long-term is being set up to become one of the largest Wonder Woman stories ever with one of the biggest payoffs, but meanwhile the short-term is beginning to feel muddled and weak. Like I said, things just don't gell. We keep getting information that seems to fit fine on its own, but doesn't fit with other information. It's very unfortunate that Simone's run is turning from one of my must-gets of the month into something much more tentative.

(6.4 out of 10)

Yeah. I think many of the characters are becoming slaves to keeping the mystery of the plot and acting (not out of character) but rather short-sighted when you'd expect them to be more confrontational or smarter. Hippolyta is almost a puppy to Zeus. Questioning your God(s) is a major part of religious faith. Plus, all the Amazons are back. Why would she need to release the prisoner Amazons?

Also

Someone on the DC boards reminded me about Genocide's "No Home" comment. I'm beginning to suspect the big plot of this run is showing how special WW is by showing Genocide being the result of growing up in the wake of the Amazons and Gargeans. Simone's pushing the whole, she's Diana's opposite to the ultimate degree. Phillipus' whole spill in the issue about Diana being the best because she didn't killing out of revenge. Genocide is basically Alkyone's hatred brought forth and returning to make Diana pay for abandoning the Amazons. Something relating back to her original Circle arc about how Diana was all the Amazon's child, yet Alkyone wished Diana hers. The "No Home" comment is actually about getting back at Diana for choosing man's world.

Just my theory.:yay:

[TheCorpulent1]

That Ares scene really was handled badly. I love Simone and Lopresti's work, but that scene itself was so bad that I didn't actually realize Ares was supposed to be dead until the characters mention it. Seriously, the god of war and death gets killed by an axe to the noggin? That just does not compute.

[Manic]

I finally got around to reading the latest issue.

Why the hell is no one surprised to see Alkyone alive? Wasn't she presumed dead to everyone but Ares?

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't even know, man. I don't know what's going on with this book anymore. I'm at the point where I think I should drop it, but I keep thinking Simone might fix everything and turn it into as great a comic as it was under Rucka again, so I stick with it.

[Manic]

I'm sticking around just long enough to see what happens with Tom & Diana's relationship, Etta's health, and Donna's sanity. Lord help me, if Donna is an insane villain the next time we see her...

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think Gail Simone would do that to her. Seems like a purely temporary thing.

[TheComicbookKid]

I finally got around to reading the latest issue.

Why the hell is no one surprised to see Alkyone alive? Wasn't she presumed dead to everyone but Ares?

I'm pretty sure Hippolyta found a shark flayed open in an earlier issue. Assuming Diana told her the shark ate Alkyone since I don't think Hippo ever actually saw it herself. The rest of the Amazons wouldn't have known about it anyway. They would have been more shocked she wasn't in jail in the first place.

[spark627]

I finally got around to reading the latest issue.

Why the hell is no one surprised to see Alkyone alive? Wasn't she presumed dead to everyone but Ares?


A dead shark was found on the island by Hippolyta with a new 'Queen' corwn carved out of wood (something Alkyone made for Hippy once before)... so she knew she was alive, but yes there should have been some surprise, IMO.

[spark627]

That Ares scene really was handled badly. I love Simone and Lopresti's work, but that scene itself was so bad that I didn't actually realize Ares was supposed to be dead until the characters mention it. Seriously, the god of war and death gets killed by an axe to the noggin? That just does not compute.


I think it was intentionally 'off'. Something is not right with the Gods... there is much more there. Also, no way in hell is Ares actually dead. Athena faked her death, I wouldn't put it past Ares.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, well, nothing actually communicated that in the scene.

[spark627]

Yeah, well, nothing actually communicated that in the scene.


No, but Zeus' reaction was very odd. Also, you never see Zeus and Ares in the same scene... this might mean nothing, but every scene with Zeus has been weird and I think there is a much bigger story there.

[TheComicbookKid]

Since Diana's on this "screw you Gods" bender, It would be nice if she tells Athena thanks for faking your death instead of stopping Genocide before she killed all those people with a punch in the face.

[CLARKY]

I don't even know, man. I don't know what's going on with this book anymore. I'm at the point where I think I should drop it, but I keep thinking Simone might fix everything and turn it into as great a comic as it was under Rucka again, so I stick with it.
My thought exactly.

About Donna, honestly I did not even understand where this was coming from ?!?!!? Duh ? At the end of one book there is the battle, at the beginning of the other, everything is done and donna is very angry ! I thought she was possessed by something. :huh: :csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm pretty sure that was Genocide's influence.

[spark627]

My thought exactly.

About Donna, honestly I did not even understand where this was coming from ?!?!!? Duh ? At the end of one book there is the battle, at the beginning of the other, everything is done and donna is very angry ! I thought she was possessed by something. :huh: :csad:


Genocide brought out emotions in people. She made Wonder Woman want to kill, she made Donna hate Diana, made Etta question Steve's love for her etc

I do agree with the problem that one issue ended one way and the next started completely differently. A LOT of things happened off panel in this arc and I personally didn't like that. Overall it was a good arc (it works better when read together) but I think it was really all just set up for things to come.

[TheComicbookKid]

It's the opposite of Final Crisis where we were given exposition and most action happened off screen.

[CConn]

While WW might not be the best book to ever be published, I'm kind of consistently surprised by how much I enjoy it. Wonder Woman gets SO little press, I always expect her to be a prime candidate to get screwed over by an uncaring and desperate publisher (ala Aquaman), but so far DC has done a great job of keeping Gail Simone going, and giving her a really great artist in Lopresti that keeps the original artistic style of the Dodsons intact while still adding his own spin to the characters.

[TheComicbookKid]

Hipployta gets her "Babies, Babies, Babies!" wish.

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3508/wwcv37.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/wwcv37.jpg/)

WONDER WOMAN #37
Written by Gail Simone
Art by Bernard Chang
Cover by Aaron Lopresti
It's a civil war – and the world hangs in the balance! Zeus has made Achilles ruler of the Amazons, and Diana finds herself in battle against the people she loves most! And what is the secret behind the sudden rash of pregnancies on Paradise Island?

[phoenixflight]

Ok I know...this is not the place for this stuff, however I was so excited to see this stuff that fellow Wonder Woman fans (those in this forum) would be more than happy to see all these really cool items!!!

Oh yeah...looks what's coming out in 2010!!! Straight from Comic Con:

JLA Trophy Room:
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6489/wwtiarabraceletslasso.jpg



Ame-Comi Wonder Woman (version 2):
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7296/amecomiwwv2.jpg



Ame-Comi Wonder Girl:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9502/12483381046.jpg



Blackest Night Wonder Woman Teaser Poster:
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9411/blackestnightww.jpg

[Manic]

Sexualized Wonder Woman imagery is nothing new, but that Wonder Girl figure looks like Sailor Teenage Prostitute.

[BrianWilly]

Oh, Japan...:(

Those bracers are kinda cool though.

[Anubis]

I dig the one with the Medusa head. That's hot.

[Tron Bonne]

Ame-Comi Wonder Woman (version 2):
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7296/amecomiwwv2.jpg


I actually kind of like that statue outside the costume.

[TheCorpulent1]

I wonder if the Blackest Night thing means Earth-2 Wonder Woman will come back...

[spark627]

Why does the anime Wonder Girl look like Jessica Alba from Sin City?

The WW shadow for the GL series looks like she is wearing battle armor (a skirt, bands around her arm)... could be cool

[spark627]

Hipployta gets her "Babies, Babies, Babies!" wish.

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3508/wwcv37.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/wwcv37.jpg/)

WONDER WOMAN #37
Written by Gail Simone
Art by Bernard Chang
Cover by Aaron Lopresti
It's a civil war – and the world hangs in the balance! Zeus has made Achilles ruler of the Amazons, and Diana finds herself in battle against the people she loves most! And what is the secret behind the sudden rash of pregnancies on Paradise Island?


FINALLY! A cover that matches the quality of the interior art (even though Bernard Chang is drawing this particular arc). This cover is awesome.

[BrianWilly]

I wonder if the Blackest Night thing means Earth-2 Wonder Woman will come back...Probably just something Diana herself will wear. Rucka is helming the WW portions and I don't think he's all that interested in Earth-2 stuff.

[TheCorpulent1]

Seems like a waste not to have Wonder Woman face her evil "self," given that E-2 Supes is coming back for it. Oh well, if Rucka's writing it, I guess I'm buying the WW tie-in either way.

[Tron Bonne]

I'm not following Blackest Night, but I think I may still check out that mini. I just started reading Rucka's WW run in trades recently and it's some pretty good stuff

[TheComicbookKid]

Seems like a waste not to have Wonder Woman face her evil "self," given that E-2 Supes is coming back for it. Oh well, if Rucka's writing it, I guess I'm buying the WW tie-in either way.

But did she even have a body? She visted WW to give her that lame advice and I thought she died in the attempt, but she was like a ghost/god energy at that point.

Oh, and that blanked out WW seems to be making a fist with her hand. The same as that statue of Black Hand, in the foreground, with his ring.

[BrianWilly]

Earth-2 Wonder Woman is probably on Earth-2 right now. The one that Johns brought back in his JSA run. The one that sucked and didn't really make any sense.

"Power Girl, you're home! Except that you're not really 'cause this universe made a completely new you. But not your cousin. So he's still dead. lolprankd"

[TheComicbookKid]

Oh ok. Didn't read JSA.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, is she still alive? Never mind, then.

[BrianWilly]

Um. Kinda? It's hard to explain.

Throughout Infinite Crisis it was hinted that Earth-2 was somewhere else, inaccessible to Alex Luthor -- note that the copy he created at first had no one on it -- and that Lois, Superman, and Wonder Woman all went to the real Earth-2 when they "died."

Well, Earth-2 is back in the multiverse now after the events of 52, but it's a completely new Earth-2. Kal-L is missing, but for some reason they have their own versions of Jade, Obsidian, and Power Girl as part of Justice Society Infinity. So for this Earth-2 the Crisis happened and then...and then they went on with their lives, never merging with any other universe. For all intents and purposes, it's "post-Crisis Earth-2."

Presumably, "Diana Trevor-Prince" Wonder Woman is there too, since it's never stated otherwise. But whether it's the legitimate pre-Crisis Earth-2 Wonder Woman that appeared during Infinite Crisis or a new version that this new Earth-2 "created," well, that's up for debate and semantics.

[Tron Bonne]

In the last batch of 20 questions I believe Didio said that Earth-2 was not the pre-Crisis Earth-2 and they would be revisiting that "soon". Well, you know, if that actually means something

[TheCorpulent1]

Um. Kinda? It's hard to explain.

Throughout Infinite Crisis it was hinted that Earth-2 was somewhere else, inaccessible to Alex Luthor -- note that the copy he created at first had no one on it -- and that Lois, Superman, and Wonder Woman all went to the real Earth-2 when they "died."

Well, Earth-2 is back in the multiverse now after the events of 52, but it's a completely new Earth-2. Kal-L is missing, but for some reason they have their own versions of Jade, Obsidian, and Power Girl as part of Justice Society Infinity. So for this Earth-2 the Crisis happened and then...and then they went on with their lives, never merging with any other universe. For all intents and purposes, it's "post-Crisis Earth-2."

Presumably, "Diana Trevor-Prince" Wonder Woman is there too, since it's never stated otherwise. But whether it's the legitimate pre-Crisis Earth-2 Wonder Woman that appeared during Infinite Crisis or a new version that this new Earth-2 "created," well, that's up for debate and semantics.
Never mind. I'll just go back to ignoring the other Earths again.

[sethcohen]

these are all reasons i kinda hated the multiverse... blah

[TheCorpulent1]

It's usually a non-issue, since the other Earths aren't featured much at all. I don't mind the Multiverse existing, so long as I don't have to care about it (as in, it's not playing a big role in any comics).

[CLARKY]

yeah same here.

I enjoyed the last 2 issues of WW. It was a bit more simple than usual, and understandable. The story was not incredible or anything but it was nice. And I really dig Black Canary. The fact that she was written by G.Simone was even better, it reminded me of the good days of Birds of Prey. My favorite books at the time. I did enjoy those 2 last issues.

[Motown Marvel]

the WW books have been okay. but im really wanting a GREAT WW story right now.

[hippie_hunter]

Recovering, DiDio remarked that Gail Simone is telling epic stories in “Wonder Woman,” and mentioned that DC is looking at renumbering the upcoming “Wonder Woman” #45, scheduled for next June, to #600.

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22745