The Official WONDER WOMAN Discussion Thread

[phoenixflight]

Found this on the DC website. They have one for Sups, Bats, and Aquaman too. Lets discuss the Amazon Princess' future.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/7214/wonderwomanoneyearlater1024x76.jpg

[phoenixflight]

Written by Allan Heinberg
Art and cover by Terry Dodson and Rachel Dodson
Variant cover by Adam Kubert


One year after the execution of Maxwell Lord and the earth-shattering events of INFINITE CRISIS, the DCU is still struggling to come to terms with its most powerful heroine. Is she a martyr or a murderer? A politician or a super hero?


Writer Allan Heinberg (Young Avengers, JLA, TV's The O.C. and Sex and the City) and artists Terry and Rachel Dodson (Marvel Knights: Spider-Man, Harley Quinn) provide surprising answers, giving Wonder Woman a fresh, sexy look and a bold new direction!


The series begins with the multi-part "Who Is Wonder Woman?" story arc, paying homage to the character's distinguished history while placing her firmly in the present with an all-new supporting cast, a brand-new mission, and a renewed sense of wonder. A treat for longtime fans and a perfect jumping-on point for new readers, Wonder Woman #1 features the icon you know and love as you've never seen her before!


DC Universe | 32pg. | Color | $2.99 US

On Sale June 7, 2006

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/6056/wwcv15bv18gc.jpg

[Lord Blackbolt]

I wonder if it's still Diana....cause it better not be Donna troy...cause Donna sucks

[The Caped Knight]

Written by Allan Heinberg
Art and cover by Terry Dodson and Rachel Dodson
Variant cover by Adam Kubert


One year after the execution of Maxwell Lord and the earth-shattering events of INFINITE CRISIS, the DCU is still struggling to come to terms with its most powerful heroine. Is she a martyr or a murderer? A politician or a super hero?


Writer Allan Heinberg (Young Avengers, JLA, TV's The O.C. and Sex and the City) and artists Terry and Rachel Dodson (Marvel Knights: Spider-Man, Harley Quinn) provide surprising answers, giving Wonder Woman a fresh, sexy look and a bold new direction!


The series begins with the multi-part "Who Is Wonder Woman?" story arc, paying homage to the character's distinguished history while placing her firmly in the present with an all-new supporting cast, a brand-new mission, and a renewed sense of wonder. A treat for longtime fans and a perfect jumping-on point for new readers, Wonder Woman #1 features the icon you know and love as you've never seen her before!


DC Universe | 32pg. | Color | $2.99 US

On Sale June 7, 2006

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/6056/wwcv15bv18gc.jpg




Intresting very Intresting .

[Darthphere]

I wonder if it's still Diana....cause it better not be Donna troy...cause Donna sucks


I agree 100%

[GoldenAgeHero]

whats wrong with donna?

[Binker]

It is Diana.

Secondly; I wonder what that variant cover will look like.

Third; I will start a thread and review the Wonder Woman comics once Vol. 3 starts.

[Darthphere]

Why start a new thread? This one will suffice.

[XwolverineX]

Yeah, we don't need a thread fer reviewin' each comics. Ya can just post in Bought/Thought over at Marvel.

[BrianWilly]

Highly unlikely that it'll end up being Donna. Donna is an okay enough character, but being Wonder Woman isn't her path. It never was.

Besides, I think the whole "Who's going to be replaced by their ward?" question has already been answered: Superman. Supergirl is taking over for him since he lost his powers. He's probably gonna regain them in a month or two, but that bridge has been crossed.

I seriously don't want to see the return of Diana Prince -- it was a silly burden on the character that she is all the better for having gotten rid of -- but I'm thinking that it's the direction that they're going to take this series towards. Heinberg seems to be a fan of modern age WW as well as silver age WW, though, so hopefully he'll manage to combine elements of the two.

[Binker]

Variant cover by Adam Kubert

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0604/04/wonderwoman1.jpg

[Anubis]

Merciful Minerva look at dem boobs!

[Binker]

Which do you think is better, cover #1 or #2?

I like #1 because of the better art and that it gives the character respect in view. #2 does a nice idea of showcasing the main characters of the WW family, the art does no justice.

[CConn]

Yeah, Kubert's style doesn't seem to fit WW at all.

Nice boobs, though.

[Darthphere]

#1 hands down.

[hippie_hunter]

It looks like that Hippolyta will come back from the dead.

[BrianWilly]

Wow, even though I actually prefer the Kubert cover by a very slim margin -- DC's concept of "legacy" has always been one of their greatest strengths -- I really really hope that they're not bringing Hippolyta back. She died a good death and no one's been clamoring for her to return, just let her alone already.

Not to mention if you're going to be rebooting the series at all, then what the heck is the point of needlessly bringing back complicated plotlines -- resolved complicated plotlines, no less -- from the prior series to clutter up the storylines?? I really really like what's been done with Hippolyta, especially by Jimenez, but there's no denying that she was a complicated plotline, sometimes overly so.

[The Caped Knight]

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/6056/wwcv15bv18gc.jpg


I like this cover better.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20/black_canary/ww_variant.jpg

More than this one . {Diana's got nice boobs though :D}

[Roma]

Cover #1 by far, that's art fitting a princess

[phoenixflight]

Here is the cover art work for issue #2. I wonder who she's fighting?!? By the way, I love the new look her costume has!!

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/July06/DCU/WonderWomanCv2.jpg

[Darthphere]

Giganta.....is that right?

[Nightwing]

Giganta.....is that right?

Yes, that's Giganta. She's making a return in issue #2.

Terry Dodson spoke about the new series.

[/URL][url=http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WonderWoman/DodsonWW.html]Click here for the interview (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/)


http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WonderWoman/WW001a.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WonderWoman/WW001b.jpg

[Symbiotic Venom]

Yes, that's Giganta. She's making a return in issue #2.

Terry Dodson spoke about the new series.

Click here for the interview (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WonderWoman/DodsonWW.html)


http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WonderWoman/WW001a.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WonderWoman/WW001b.jpg

Ah its very intresting interview.

[Spectre722]

here's some more wondery goodness

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WonderWoman/WW001c.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WonderWoman/WW001d.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WonderWoman/WW001e.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

Why is her costume different in all those other images? :confused:

Anyway, I hate her costume still. A "W" belt doesn't make up for the fact that her costume is generally lame for her character. None of the explanations for it have really been good enough to justify it, either. I don't see what the big deal about just putting her in something like the armor from the current JLA Classified arc is. It retains the color scheme but actually looks appropriate for a warrior who came from a warrior race with strong ties to ancient Greek culture.

Outside of the crappy costume, though, I'm looking forward to the relaunch. Allan Heinberg has shown that he knows how to write a kick-ass superhero story in Young Avengers (despite his TV credits), so I'm looking forward to what he can bring to Wonder Woman. Dodson's a good artist for this type of book, since he's at least got some substance to his art under the cheesy T&A shots he's known for. Not as much as Adam Kubert, but he'll do. I wish Dodson were drawing the covers while Kubert handled interiors but alas for me.

[Darthphere]

Why is her costume different in all those other images? :confused:

Anyway, I hate her costume still. A "W" belt doesn't make up for the fact that her costume is generally lame for her character. None of the explanations for it have really been good enough to justify it, either. I don't see what the big deal about just putting her in something like the armor from the current JLA Classified arc is. It retains the color scheme but actually looks appropriate for a warrior who came from a warrior race with strong ties to ancient Greek culture.

Outside of the crappy costume, though, I'm looking forward to the relaunch. Allan Heinberg has shown that he knows how to write a kick-ass superhero story in Young Avengers (despite his TV credits), so I'm looking forward to what he can bring to Wonder Woman. Dodson's a good artist for this type of book, since he's at least got some substance to his art under the cheesy T&A shots he's known for. Not as much as Adam Kubert, but he'll do. I wish Dodson were drawing the covers while Kubert handled interiors but alas for me.


The OC kicks your ass.:mad:

[TheCorpulent1]

The OC is a pathetic waste of television time. It's an insult that it's still on the air while JLU, Farscape, The Invisible Man, Firefly, Keen Eddie, and countless other worthwhile shows have been canceled. The only things that keep it from being completely worthless are 1) Peter Gallagher and 2) the fact that it's not a reality show. :o

[Wargod]

The OC is a pathetic waste of television time. It's an insult that it's still on the air while JLU, Farscape, The Invisible Man, Firefly, Keen Eddie, and countless other worthwhile shows have been canceled. The only things that keep it from being completely worthless are 1) Peter Gallagher and 2) the fact that it's not a reality show. :o

Couldn't agree more!!!

[Anubis]

What about the hot chicks?

[Wargod]

What about the hot chicks?

I'm sure that Micha Barton isn't hot... But Rachel Bilson is really hot.

[Anubis]

She's hot to me. In a ****ty, lolly pop headed kinda way.

[Darthphere]

Mischa is looking good lately, you guys can hate all you want.

[TheCorpulent1]

Thanks for the permission. I will endeavor to show I'm worthy of it. :)

Anyway, there's far from a shortage of hot chicks on TV. I'd prefer to get mine from shows that have something else going for them like... anything, really. Which would be more than what The OC's got. Evangeline Lily on Lost and Julie Bowen on Boston Legal are pretty hot, AND those shows are actually good, to boot. :p

[Darthphere]

Thanks for the permission. I will endeavor to show I'm worthy of it. :)

Anyway, there's far from a shortage of hot chicks on TV. I'd prefer to get mine from shows that have something else going for them like... anything, really. Which would be more than what The OC's got. Evangeline Lily on Lost and Julie Bowen on Boston Legal are pretty hot, AND those shows are actually good, to boot. :p


Lost is terribly overrated as is Evangeline Lily, sorry man.

[TheCorpulent1]

Overrated or not, it's still a good show. As opposed to The OC, which is overrated and not a good show. Fine distinction, there.

[Darthphere]

Overrated or not, it's still a good show. As opposed to The OC, which is overrated and not a good show. Fine distinction, there.


Honestly, The OC isnt even rated anymore, its just there. The first season is the only thing worth wathcing, not even the first half of that season and thats because Heinberg was still writing episodes then.

[TheCorpulent1]

Wait, even you don't like The OC? Damn it, this isn't fun anymore. :(

[Darthphere]

Wait, even you don't like The OC? Damn it, this isn't fun anymore. :(


If you remember I was a big fan before, but I have seen the light.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, definitely not as fun now. :(

[jaydawg]

Yeah, the first couple of episodes actually were pretty good. I thought the show was over this season though since they didnt want to make the characters go to college?

[The Ether]

...I'll just stick with prison break

since it's the only show I have time to watch, and it's amazing.

[The Caped Knight]

Here is the cover art work for issue #2. I wonder who she's fighting?!? By the way, I love the new look her costume has!!

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/July06/DCU/WonderWomanCv2.jpg

cool cover

[TheCorpulent1]

No one else has any issues with the glorified bathing suit costume? Or is it just one of those cases where it's been around so long that no one questions it anymore?

[BrianWilly]

^Pretty much. I mean, it's pretty much the same glorified bathing suit that it was a month ago.

[TheCorpulent1]

I've hated that costume ever since I first questioned its logic. I'm not a feminist or anything, but even I find it sexist that Superman and Batman get badass capes and full-body suits while Wonder Woman gets starry panties and a boustier. The worst part is that it doesn't fit with her character at all.

[Anubis]

Well, she comes from an island nation that has nothing but beautiful tropical weather. I'm surprised she doesn't fight naked.

[TheCorpulent1]

They did that with Zarda already in Supreme Power. Oooh, nude chick with big boobies who can kill you! Big deal. :o

[Darthphere]

They did that with Zarda already in Supreme Power. Oooh, nude chick with big boobies who can kill you! Big deal. :o


Damn Marvel Knights.:mad:

[TheCorpulent1]

MAX, actually. :p

[Darthphere]

MAX, actually. :p


No, I mean Marvel Knights will deprive us of the nude shots.:(

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, I don't care about that. The dress she's in is quite fetching. Much better than her "I <3 NY" shirt in the Hyperion mini.

[Darthphere]

Oh, I don't care about that. The dress she's in is quite fetching. Much better than her "I <3 NY" shirt in the Hyperion mini.


If you say so......

[TheCorpulent1]

Some of us care about more than boobies, you philistine. :o

[Anubis]

Yeah, some of us like ass too.

[TheCorpulent1]

I like hair for some reason. But also boobies and ass. :up:

[Anubis]

"I love feet.......I don't know why..."

[TheCorpulent1]

I never got that fetish. They're just... feet. :confused:

[The Ether]

"I love feet.......I don't know why..."
"Shut the f*** up, RICH BOY"

Mr. Deeds, Hilarious.:up:

[Anubis]

I don't understand Granny Porn, but somebody buys it, and there for, it shall continue to be made.

[jaydawg]

No one else has any issues with the glorified bathing suit costume? Or is it just one of those cases where it's been around so long that no one questions it anymore?
I've always thought it was pretty bad myself. http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/9799e40558.jpg (http://www.uploadfile.info) Something like this, which I found in the fan art section of the Hype, would be perfect.:up:

[TheCorpulent1]

I remember that costume. I never cared for it much, but it's closer to what I'd like to see than Wonder Woman's swimsuit costume.

[jaydawg]

So would you prefer the whole Xena/Bathing suit thing Jim Lee does?

[Darthphere]

I remember that costume. I never cared for it much, but it's closer to what I'd like to see than Wonder Woman's swimsuit costume.


Youre so.....:(

[TheCorpulent1]

What? :confused:
So would you prefer the whole Xena/Bathing suit thing Jim Lee does?
I really like the armor with the Roman-style skirt Garcia-Lopez has been drawing for the current JLA Classified arc. It's a simple redesign that works better for the character while preserving the overall look of the classic costume.

[BrianWilly]

It does not surprise me at all that DC didn't change her costume too much. They've long since (and rightly) learned the value of iconism, and with the movie coming out they have marketting and commercial rights to consider.

I think the bathing suit is definitely silly -- which costume isn't? -- but I personally don't see it as particularly demeaning or disrespectful unless you specifically make it out to be. Did people consider Lynda Carter to be crude and demeaning to women when she ran around army bases in that exact same costume? No, it was a fun TV show and everyone ate it up. Hawkman walks around half-naked too, but apparently for him it's considered manly. Is there a double standard in this business where we can safely assume that least 85% of the audience and 90% of the creators are male? Of course.

And a lot of it has to do with the art style too, especially during the late 90s/early 2000s when her cleavage got lower and lower and the panties eventually amounted to nothing more than a thong. Without meaning to disparage any particular artists over another, something like this (http://comicartcommunity.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=9279&mode=search) is obviously pushing the boundaries of good taste, whereas something like this (http://comicartcommunity.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=8930&mode=search) appears light years more appropriate, even though it's the exact same costume.

[Darthphere]

It does not surprise me at all that DC didn't change her costume too much. They've long since (and rightly) learned the value of iconism, and with the movie coming out they have marketting and commercial rights to consider.

I think the bathing suit is definitely silly -- which costume isn't? -- but I personally don't see it as particularly demeaning or disrespectful unless you specifically make it out to be. Did people consider Lynda Carter to be crude and demeaning to women when she ran around army bases in that exact same costume? No, it was a fun TV show and everyone ate it up. Hawkman walks around half-naked too, but apparently for him it's considered manly.

A lot of it has to do with the art style too, especially during the late 90s/early 2000s when her cleavage got lower and lower and the panties eventually amounted to nothing more than a thong. Without meaning to disparage any particular artists over another, something like this (http://comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/117/wonderwoman.jpg) is obviously pushing the boundaries of good taste, whereas something like this (http://comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/32/wwredux.jpg) appears light years more appropriate, even though it's the exact same costume.


Why are you linking Disney.com?

[BrianWilly]

Because I'm a filthy bandwidth thief:(.

Fixed.

[Primal Slayer]

I've always thought it was pretty bad myself. http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/9799e40558.jpg (http://http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/9799e40558.jpg) Something like this, which I found in the fan art section of the Hype, would be perfect.:up:

I would love for WW to have that costume since I think it looks great but since a lot of people dont like that big of a change, it would be a perfect costume for Donna or Cassie.

I think if they gave WW the armor costume that she wears on occasion, it would be great and it wouldnt upset to many fans I think but ofcourse fear of change is what keeps her in that bathing suit just like how it keeps Batman and Superman with their underwear on the outside.

[Binker]

The REAL cover to #1:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WonderWoman/WW001CVRB.jpg

[The Ether]

nice, I think this series is gonna be good.

[Spectre722]

The REAL cover to #1:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WonderWoman/WW001CVRB.jpg

why did they feel the need to keep this hidden from us. ususally when they do that it's to keep a big secret from being revealed early. they could've just shown us this in the first place.

[Darthphere]

why did they feel the need to keep this hidden from us. ususally when they do that it's to keep a big secret from being revealed early. they could've just shown us this in the first place.


They didnt hide it from us, it just was a work in progress.

[TheCorpulent1]

Wow. Wonder Woman, the un-American superheroine, with her star-spangled costume and eagles fluttering around her. I don't get that cover at all. :(

I'm still looking forward to what Heinberg does with Wondie, though. :up:

[BrianWilly]

Well, eagles have been a part of the Wonder Woman iconography from since her inception right up to Kingdom Come and beyond. The fact that they're bald eagles is a bit much, of course, but I don't see anything really too wrong with the picture.

[The Caped Knight]

The REAL cover to #1:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WonderWoman/WW001CVRB.jpg

Wow that a very nice cover . Diana looks great

[Symbiotic Venom]

It is a great cover. Great detail and everything.

[phoenixflight]

We have already seen the gorgeous FINAL cover art to issue #1, well here are issues #2, #3. ENJOY!!!


Cover Art #2
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4364/ww23jg.jpg


Cover Art #3
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/3264/ww38vz.jpg
Cheetah is back and she's kicking a$$ and taking names!!

[Bullseye]

Dodson is a talent. I enjoyed his work on Harley Quinn and Marvel Knights Spider-Man.

[Mogwai]

those covers look great. i like dodson's art a lot as well and i can't wait to see his redesigns of wonder woman's villains.

[WonderWoman]

those covers look great. i like dodson's art a lot as well and i can't wait to see his redesigns of wonder woman's villains.

I agree! Dodson's art if perfect for this book. I can't wait for my copy of issue one. :) :O

[Binker]

Volume 3 starts this Wednesday, June the 7th, with the first issue!

[supes_el]

^^ count me in :)

[WonderWoman]

Volume 3 starts this Wednesday, June the 7th, with the first issue!

I really can't wait, but I'm sure you all can tell. :) :)

[Darthphere]

It will be really good. I guarantee it.

[TheCorpulent1]

It will be really good. I guarantee it.
Bold words, little man. Especially with Terry "Dodgy" Dodson on pencils.

[Darthphere]

Bold words, little man. Especially with Terry "Dodgy" Dodson on pencils.


Ill give you that, but I have faith in heinberg and his OC writing ass.

[TheCorpulent1]

But even you admit The OC sucks it hard. :confused: Now, Heinberg and his YA-writing ass, I could understand...

[Darthphere]

But even you admit The OC sucks it hard. :confused: Now, Heinberg and his YA-writing ass, I could understand...


No, no, you misunderstand. The episodes he worte of The OC are really the only good ones. The rest suck.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, I thought he was one of the creative masterminds on it and had input on every episode. Kind of like the control-freak in charge of the new Dr. Who seems to. :)

[Darthphere]

Oh, I thought he was one of the creative masterminds on it and had input on every episode. Kind of like the control-freak in charge of the new Dr. Who seems to. :)


Nah. Heinberg is writing for Grey's Anatomy now. Maybe he'll make that show watchable now.:o

[TheCorpulent1]

I watched a couple episodes of it and I basically saw horny, whiny chicks and a guy with a bomb in him. After that, I turned it off and mourned the fact that every medical drama (save House, which I hear is still good) jumps the shark even quicker than ER these days.

[Darthphere]

I watched a couple episodes of it and I basically saw horny, whiny chicks and a guy with a bomb in him. After that, I turned it off and mourned the fact that every medical drama (save House, which I hear is still good) jumps the shark even quicker than ER these days.


House kicks ass, ER has been getting better lately, though its annoying nobody on that show can just have a baby without it being like brain dead.

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, ER has been getting better. But this is only after that awful string of seasons where Romano randomly lost his arm, Carter randomly left Abbie for no apparent reason, and Ray literally had an entire ****ing 4-story, wooden patio fall down around him. I will say that the Neela/Galant story went off superbly, however. Very moving. Unfortunate, since I loved Galant, but great nonetheless.

[Darthphere]

Haha, ER has been getting better. But this is only after that awful string of seasons where Romano randomly lost his arm, Carter randomly left Abbie for no apparent reason, and Ray literally had an entire ****ing 4-story, wooden patio fall down around him. I will say that the Neela/Galant story went off superbly, however. Very moving. Unfortunate, since I loved Galant, but great nonetheless.


Ha-ha, that scene with Ray was awesome, you never saw that coming.

[TheCorpulent1]

After the crazy, random crap that had happened before, I honestly wasn't that surprised. :o

[Darthphere]

After the crazy, random crap that had happened before, I honestly wasn't that surprised. :o



The best part was his girl on the railing..."Ray! AHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

[TheCorpulent1]

The best part was his girl on the railing..."Ray! AHHHHHHHHHHHH!"
Haha, you could practically see the writers going:

"****, ten minutes 'til the script is due and we haven't come up with a goddamn thing! Quick! Uh... Ray goes to a party and the whole patio collapses!"
"The... collapses?! Why the ****...?"
"Who cares, DEADLINE! Throw in some chick he's hot for hanging off a railing or some crazy **** like that, and... DONE!!"
"Dude, I really don't think this makes much sense..."
"I DON'T KNOW, JUST DO IT!!!"

They then break down in masses of tears. Blubbering, pathetic masses of tears. :(

[Anubis]

That was in response to that Porch collapse we had in the Chi a couple of years ago. Same exact thing. Buncha people on a porch, crumpled bodies everywhere.

[Darthphere]

Haha, you could practically see the writers going:

"****, ten minutes 'til the script is due and we haven't come up with a goddamn thing! Quick! Uh... Ray goes to a party and the whole patio collapses!"
"The... collapses?! Why the ****...?"
"Who cares, DEADLINE! Throw in some chick he's hot for hanging off a railing or some crazy **** like that, and... DONE!!"
"Dude, I really don't think this makes much sense..."
"I DON'T KNOW, JUST DO IT!!!"

They then break down in masses of tears. Blubbering, pathetic masses of tears. :(



That Ray/Neela romance went nowhere.

[TheCorpulent1]

**** Ray. Poor Galant. :(
That was in response to that Porch collapse we had in the Chi a couple of years ago. Same exact thing. Buncha people on a porch, crumpled bodies everywhere.
Oh, I didn't know that. Still, it was just another nail in the coffin after the weird stuff from the past few seasons that had clearly been happening simply to drum up some shock and interest.

[Darthphere]

**** Ray. Poor Galant. :(

Oh, I didn't know that. Still, it was just another nail in the coffin after the weird stuff from the past few seasons that had clearly been happening simply to drum up some shock and interest.



Kovac is finally a decent character again after that whole Sam crap.

[TheCorpulent1]

I was kind of disappointed that his self-destruction riff basically went nowhere. It was fun to see Kovac getting wasted and having random hos go down on him every night.

[Darthphere]

I was kind of disappointed that his self-destruction riff basically went nowhere. It was fun to see Kovac getting wasted and having random hos go down on him every night.


Ha-ha, this thread is so off-topic.

[TheCorpulent1]

I know, we're like a plague.

So, er... um... you think the new Wonder Woman'll be anything like ER?

[Darthphere]

I know, we're like a plague.

So, er... um... you think the new Wonder Woman'll be anything like ER?


Possibly, you think hes bringing back the Diana prince persona?

[TheCorpulent1]

I think she might get a full-on secret identity now that she lacks a mission, or even a homeland to have a mission for. I wouldn't be surprised if said secret identity, created to blend in with humanity, happens to be named "Diana Prince."

[The Caped Knight]

Possibly, you think hes bringing back the Diana prince persona?

Really, I like that idea it makes her more human .

[sethcohen]

just picked up WW #1... im hooked... dammit... im spending more and more on comics!

[Doc Destruction]

Amazing. And I hate them for making me pick up ANOTHER ONGOING. My poor wallet.

Spoilers -



The book begins with Wonder Woman (AKA Donna Troy), barging into a museum to resuce Steve Trevor from a now human Cheetah. During the course of the very failed rescue, Giganta shows up on the scene and fights WW for a bit until the REAL WW shows up, and starts laying the beatdown on Donna.

Well, she finally impales Donna and as she collapses, we see that Diana was in fact Doctor Psycho using mind tricks to screw her up. Meantime, Steve Trevor gets away, only to reveal that he is actually a hologrammed super spy working for what looks to be a SHIELD type group. The last panel reveals the spy's new partner for the rescue of Donna Troy, AGENT DIANA PRINCE.

Me likey, me likey alot. And Dodson's art is always so yummy. I say gimmie more!

[amazingfantasy15]

Got it after checking out a couple pages in the shop. Gonna read it later, probably on the way home from work. DC is so good right now, but soooo bad for my wallet. A year ago, I was picking up maybe 4-5 DC titles max (excluding Infinite Crisis stuff), now it's at least doubled.

[Kool-Aid]

Is the cover shiny?

[DBM]

Amazing. And I hate them for making me pick up ANOTHER ONGOING. My poor wallet.

Spoilers -



The book begins with Wonder Woman (AKA Donna Troy), barging into a museum to resuce Steve Trevor from a now human Cheetah. During the course of the very failed rescue, Giganta shows up on the scene and fights WW for a bit until the REAL WW shows up, and starts laying the beatdown on Donna.

Well, she finally impales Donna and as she collapses, we see that Diana was in fact Doctor Psycho using mind tricks to screw her up. Meantime, Steve Trevor gets away, only to reveal that he is actually a hologrammed super spy working for what looks to be a SHIELD type group. The last panel reveals the spy's new partner for the rescue of Donna Troy, AGENT DIANA PRINCE.

Me likey, me likey alot. And Dodson's art is always so yummy. I say gimmie more!

Sounds kind of interesting. I've been thinking about picking this up even though I'm not much of a DC guy, just because I like Dodson and Heinberg. From the sound of this, I think I will buy it.

[Binker]

PLOT:

One year after Wonder Woman's last appearence; Giganta, Cheetah (in human form) & Doctor Psycho hold Steve Trevor hostage. Their demand": they want Diana to come out of hiding. Wonder Woman comes in to the picture, but its not Princess Diana, its Donna Troy. As she fights the villians, Nemesis gets a new bodyground: Diana Prince.


REVIEW:

#226 ended the Vol. 2 title of Wonder Woman. I remember when this was announced that her title was going to be canned, Infinite Crisis-related or not, that people thought DC had balls to cancelled a superheroine that was the first superheroine ever and everyone knew her as above like Superman and Batman (hence DC's Big Three). I thought it was bad to cancel her, maybe because the last of her issues was the first time I was collecting the comics. But I was remembered that DC did this when they ended Vol. 1 due to Crisis of Infinite Earths and started Vol. 2. And sure enough, same thing happened here. Here is Vol. 3!

This arc, as many alway knows, is a OYL, or OYL-type, arc. It relates back to Infinite Crisis as she left everything behind, just like Superman (somewhat) and just like Batman to refind herself, like the others. Now "UP, UP & AWAY" brings back Superman and "FACE THE FACE" brings back Batman. "WHO IS WONDER WOMAN?" does the same thing for Wonder Woman. Sorta.

The NEW Wonder Woman is Donna Troy. I thought they would be kidding as many didn't want someone else to wear the costume but they weren't. Now as I think of it; when Donna Troy first appeared, that story was "WHO IS DONNA TROY?" and this is the same but with "WONDER WOMAN" instead. I guess we should've put two and two together. I wondered at first if this cover that would prolly be the cover to the TPB collecting the arc would give people (who didn't read this) the wrong impression but Donna and Diana look alike, and the cover to #1 has a Diana-essence to me and thats her eyebrows. So we're okay.

Back to the issue...

First thing new is the costume, well some of it. The "W" shaped symbol on her chest is now shaped as an eagle. Its a little bigger as well. Also, she now wears a "W" shaped belt. Second new is Steve Trevor. Now, Post-Crisis he was old, now Post-IC he is young. I do seem to remember that Steve Trevor had a son but my memory is really messy on that so might not be the case. Also, modern (before or now) or not, his history was being the first man to set foot on Paradise Island is said here. Now, going back to the arc back in Wonder Woman Vol. 2's early days, that might be true anyways but I thought I should point it out. Anyway; Steve Trevor is young.

For the villians: Doctor Psycho had already appeared in Manhunter OYL so his appearence was nothing new (except the bald head). Giganta was the same: I like her new outfit. Cheetah was the new one. Pre-Crisis: she was a human being who had cheetah-like powers and wore a costume. Post-Crisis: she was a human-cheetah hybrid. Now Post-IC: she's back as she was Pre-Crisis. Her new outfit sorta models after Wonder Woman's and her new power (maybe old, so bear with me) is to control real-like Cheetahs.

Now on the stars: Diana aka Diana Prince: OLD Wonder Woman & Donna Troy NEW Wonder Woman.

To get this out of the way, as it is short: Diana only appears in the last shot. What she is doing right now and her new role OYL isn't known yet. I do like to point out like like the other females in this book: I also like her outfit as well. It reminds me of the outfits Lynda Carter wore in the Wonder Woman TV show and its said she is an agent and that is shown with the belt and the outfit as well. Agent of what and why? Wait and see and we'll know.

Now for Donna Troy. She doesn't wear a Wonder Woman outfit, she wears the battle armor some may remember from the Our Worlds at War or more from Kingdom Come. Only without the wings and instead with a cape Wonder Woman (Diana) always wore with it when needed. How is she as Wonder Woman? She is fine. Like I said, she and Diana look alike and they're sisters so she would have to be similar anyways. Her in the role with Diana gone for a year makes her more Wonder Woman than Donna Troy and I sense less of who Donna normally is as she seems more into playing her sister. Since she is still Donna in 52, one wonders how long has she been as the Amazing Amazon. Since Internal Affairs know she has been wearing the costume, its been awhile. But since the villians want Diana back so badly, she might've been like this maybe for a short while. I don't know, hopefully we'll know more as I'm not gettign 52 at all.

Overall: this was nice to see her back. Not just Donna Troy, or the minor appearebce of Diana again at the end, but Wonder Woman in general. She's too good of a characetr to cancel and she is a role model of every woman of the planet.

WELCOME BACK, GIRL!

RATING: 8/10

[Kool-Aid]

Cover shiny?

[sethcohen]

binker, can you add some spoiler tags for those that havent read it?

[jaydawg]

I told ya'll Diana Prince was coming back. What a stupid idea.

[BrianWilly]

I just read it, and I'm muy pleased. Great art, decent writing.

That last page was pretty awesome, of course. I thought I would hate the idea of Wonder Woman getting the Diana Prince identity again -- my first instinct is that it felt like the absolute worst sort of rehash imaginable -- but I have to admit, in the context of her ongoing story, with the Crisis and 52 and everything going on...this makes sense. It makes sense for the character and for the book. Heinberg is obviously not glossing over any of the Perez-inspired Wonder Woman continuity and he obviously respects the work on the character that occurred post-Crisis, and that's half the battle already. So long as those stories still exist and influence the spirit of the current direction, I'm satisfied.

I like Donna Troy, and this issue made me like her more than ever...but I knew within the first four pages that she was a red herring (she doesn't wear the new costume on the cover (incidentally, I thought it was a bit ironic that she's supposedly more anti-kill than Diana and yet she's the one decked out in armor and sword)), and for that I'm glad. She has much more going for her, especially in the wake of the Crisis and 52, than just being a Wonder Woman "replacement." I suppose that this first arc will be all about how Diana gets her title back from Donna, and I can't wait to see how that happens.

(10 out of 10)

[Darthphere]

It will be really good. I guarantee it.


:up:

[Assassin]

it was...dumb. i dont know, i'm not that much of a WW fan to begin with but why would you bring back the white suit? wasnt that hated? and agent diana prince? it was okay, i guess i'll buy issue 2 cuz heinbergs my myspace buddy :p

[Deathlok2001]

I thought this really sucked. They got miss Prince running around in her 1970s jumpsuit again! OMG! ITS BEEN DONE!

AND SHE HAS NO POWERS!

PAST!

[Darthphere]

It seems to me that Assassin doesnt like it because he's never liked Wonder Woman in the first place and Deathlok has something against disco and hated the Crisis therefore will hate a by product of the crisis.

[BrianWilly]

Like I said in the other thread...
Why are you assuming that Diana has no powers?

[Darthphere]

Gosh, she cant be a secret agent and have powers at the same time.....

[Deathlok2001]

Like I said in the other thread...
Why are you assuming that Diana has no powers?

I am not assuming this, this is based on what I have read so far....... this is how it reads to me....

[Deathlok2001]

It seems to me that Assassin doesnt like it because he's never liked Wonder Woman in the first place and Deathlok has something against disco and hated the Crisis therefore will hate a by product of the crisis.


Thats not true, i picked up Shadowpack #1 & I was alright with Supergirl in the Legion, the changes in Supergirl & Hawkgirl...... I am still reading all 3 of those books....

[Darthphere]

Thats not true, i picked up Shadowpack #1 & I was alright with Supergirl in the Legion, the changes in Supergirl & Hawkgirl......


Well then, were you a Wonder Woman fan before?

[Deathlok2001]

YES I WAS! I LOVED the entire "Greek" flavor they injected into the book.

[Darthphere]

YES I WAS! I LOVED the entire "Greek" flavor they injected into the book.


Hmm, well its the first issue I think you should stick around and see if you like it better.

[BrianWilly]

I am not assuming this, this is based on what I have read so far....... this is how it reads to me....But...that's the definition of an assumption...

[Deathlok2001]

I am also reading Batman/"Tec OYL & Superman/Action OYL

[Darthphere]

I am also reading Batman/"Tec OYL & Superman/Action OYL


Are you enjoying those?

[Tropico]

Dart, have you ever looked at your avvy and see that if you replaced the word for "fart" the pictures would still make sense (they even look like they're sniffing)?:D

[Darthphere]

Dart, have you ever looked at your avvy and see that if you replaced the word for "fart" the pictures would still make sense (they even look like they're sniffing)?:D


No, but it gives me an idea.....

[Deathlok2001]

Are you enjoying those?

YES I am, also reading Catwoman & Hawkgirl OYL, enjoying both.

[Manic]

So the question is...

Was Donna's title as the new Wonder Woman loaned (meaning Diana will take it back), or are we getting Wally Wested with a permanent new Wonder Woman?

[Tropico]

Unless Diana changes her hero name to something else when she's with the JLA we've already seen her back in her superpowered persona.

[Binker]

I don't know if anyone read my review but Donna doesn't wear the costume as seen in the cover. Also, if you compare the eyebrows between Donna and Diana from the cover of WW: Donna has couple more strands, Diana has less so her's is thin. The WW on the cover is less like Diana and not Donna. So that WW on the cover has to be Diana to begin with.

[Motown Marvel]

defenitely a solid issue and a great jumpstart to the series. im REALLY hoping by the arc's end diana will be back in the star spangled undies.

[Manic]

I don't know if anyone read my review but Donna doesn't wear the costume as seen in the cover. Also, if you compare the eyebrows between Donna and Diana from the cover of WW: Donna has couple more strands, Diana has less so her's is thin. The WW on the cover is less like Diana and not Donna. So that WW on the cover has to be Diana to begin with.
You're forgetting that Diana is also drawn more voluptuous than Donna.

[daredevillogan]

The art was great in #1 but not a Donna Troy fan. Not digging the storyline either but I'd be damn happy if Diana comes back and wears the armor that Donna is wearing in this issue instead of the star-spangled bathing suit. Doubtful though.

[warren_sparta27]

have to wait until monday to get down to the comic shop, but from the sounds of it this title is pretty good.
can't wait now :)

[phoenixflight]

I totally love this issue.

[Deathlok2001]

What do you love about this stinker of an issue?

the retro 1970s jumpsuit Emma Peel thing? ( ITS BEEN DONE & BETTER IN THE 1970s DUDES!) Wikipedia even mentiones the 1970s jumpsuit thing!!!! YOU dudes really need to learn your comic history & realize when it reoccurs.


..."the end of the issue saw the return of Diana in the familiar guise of Diana Prince, secret agent, complete with an updated version of the white jumpsuit from the early 1970s....."

the younger steve trevor ( no mention of his marriage or why he shows up so young even if all is not as it seems!)

multiple versions of the hero showing up..... three words ITS BEEN DONE!

I dont get it.......

[Deathlok2001]

Why did NONE of you supposed Wonder Woman fans recognized that 1970s jumpsuit on WW?

[TheCorpulent1]

Who says we didn't? Things recur in comics all the time. Fact is, we don't know where any of this stuff is going because there's only been one issue so far. I don't really like the idea of Diana as a secret agent, but I know from the JLA preview that she'll be back as Wonder Woman eventually, so I'm willing to wait and see how it plays out.

[Deathlok2001]

Who says we didn't? Things recur in comics all the time. Fact is, we don't know where any of this stuff is going because there's only been one issue so far. I don't really like the idea of Diana as a secret agent, but I know from the JLA preview that she'll be back as Wonder Woman eventually, so I'm willing to wait and see how it plays out.

I say you didn't! I am the only one to notice it & mention it. Everyone else was gushing over how great this new direction is :down

[TheCorpulent1]

And with that, it becomes clear that arguing with you will be absolutely useless. Good day. :)

[Doc Destruction]

I say you didn't! I am the only one to notice it & mention it. Everyone else was gushing over how great this new direction is :down

You know, there are plenty of decaffeinated brands of coffee on the market that are JUST as tasty as the real thing?

[Darthphere]

Corp, youre forced to agree with him. Sorry.

[Darthphere]

I figured out why Deathlok doesnt like WW.


I like All Star Batman! :up: Its Batman done to the extreme..... and the art is some of the BEST ever!

Vicky Val = HOO-CHEE-MAMA! :up::up::up::up::up::up:

[Deathlok2001]

Why did NONE of you supposed Wonder Woman fans recognize that 1970s jumpsuit on WW?

Answer the question please rather than put people down!

[Deathlok2001]

You know, there are plenty of decaffeinated brands of coffee on the market that are JUST as tasty as the real thing?

And you know, you can admit that you have no sense of Dc history early than 1995!

LOL

[Darthphere]

Why did NONE of you supposed Wonder Woman fans recognize that 1970s jumpsuit on WW?

Answer the question please rather than put people down!


We did, we just didnt think it was a big deal. Take a nap.

[Deathlok2001]

Ok, thats a cop out. Now anyone can use that excuse,..." oh I recognized it, but I thought it was not important, so I did not mention it!"

give me a freakin break!


This entire "Ema Peel/secret agent WW" thing is all new to you dudes, so you gush over it! Its ok if you like it, just dont tell me its some new direction. ITS BEEN DONE!

[Darthphere]

Ok, thats a cop out. Now anyone can use that excuse,..." oh I recognized it, but I thought it was not important, so I did not mention it!"

give me a freakin break!


This entire "Ema Peel/secret agent WW" thing is all new to you dudes, so you gush over it! Its ok if you like it, just dont tell me its some new direction. ITS BEEN DONE!


Yeah thats it. Are you leaving now?

[Deathlok2001]

Why should I leave? I am giving my opinion. I dont like it because to me, its been done. If it works for you, then go with it.

[Darthphere]

Why should I leave? I am giving my opinion. I dont like it because to me, its been done. If it works for you, then go with it.


Yeah we heard you.

I thought this really sucked. They got miss Prince running around in her 1970s jumpsuit again! OMG! ITS BEEN DONE!

AND SHE HAS NO POWERS!

PAST!

What do you love about this stinker of an issue?

the retro 1970s jumpsuit Emma Peel thing? ( ITS BEEN DONE & BETTER IN THE 1970s DUDES!) Wikipedia even mentiones the 1970s jumpsuit thing!!!! YOU dudes really need to learn your comic history & realize when it reoccurs.


..."the end of the issue saw the return of Diana in the familiar guise of Diana Prince, secret agent, complete with an updated version of the white jumpsuit from the early 1970s....."

the younger steve trevor ( no mention of his marriage or why he shows up so young even if all is not as it seems!)

multiple versions of the hero showing up..... three words ITS BEEN DONE!

I dont get it.......

I say you didn't! I am the only one to notice it & mention it. Everyone else was gushing over how great this new direction is :down

Why did NONE of you supposed Wonder Woman fans recognize that 1970s jumpsuit on WW?

Answer the question please rather than put people down!

Ok, thats a cop out. Now anyone can use that excuse,..." oh I recognized it, but I thought it was not important, so I did not mention it!"

give me a freakin break!


This entire "Ema Peel/secret agent WW" thing is all new to you dudes, so you gush over it! Its ok if you like it, just dont tell me its some new direction. ITS BEEN DONE!

[Deathlok2001]

The final page with Diana in the jumpsuit made me cringe. Whats next, an I Ching come back? LOL :eek: (O'Neil even admitted this was a mistake, in hindsight)

Something else I did not like is that there was too much happening in about 5 minutes, none of it made sense. Why would Donna recap Diana's life in the middle of a fight? :down :mad:

Why would "agent" Diana be working for the gov't now? This goes against everything that has happened before!

I will say this, the Dodsons sure do produce some damn fine art.

[Darthphere]

The final page with Diana in the jumpsuit made me cringe. Whats next, an I Ching come back? LOL :eek:

Something else I did not like is that there was too much happening in about 5 minutes, none of it made sense. Why would Donna recap Diana's life in the middle of a fight? :down :mad:


Its called story telling.

[Deathlok2001]

So, a hero is in the middle of a fight & all of a sudden, they start to reminisce about another heroes life? :eek:

How does "agent" Diana atone for killing Max? By hooking up with some shadowy government agency? LOL

[Doc Destruction]

Dude, I'm pretty sure I'm older than you, and been collecting a long time, so yes...I know DC history.

[Darthphere]

So, a hero is in the middle of a fight & all of a sudden, they start to reminisce about another heroes life? :eek:


Its called a voice-over and most of the time it involves someone telling the story of what happened in the issue after it happened. Its a little device called narraration.

[Deathlok2001]

Dude, I'm pretty sure I'm older than you, and been collecting a long time, so yes...I know DC history.

OK, thats cool. And if this new WW direction works for you, then more power to you. I do not want to offend people, I just point out why I do not like it. Does not make it any better or worse than any other book. But IMO, this 1st issue stinks.


** I was all set to buy this new run of WW ..... the collector in me likes to have long runs of titles.

[Darthphere]

OK, thats cool. And if this new WW direction works for you, then more power to you. I do not want to offend people, I just point out why I do not like it. Does not make it any better or worse than any other book. But IMO, this 1st issue stinks.


** I was all set to buy this new run of WW ..... the collector in me likes to have long runs of titles.


Yeah, several times.

[Tropico]

So, a hero is in the middle of a fight & all of a sudden, they start to reminisce about another heroes life? :eek:

How does "agent" Diana atone for killing Max? By hooking up with some shadowy government agency? LOL

Long dialogues during fights, flashbacks and impossibly long sentences in something that should only take seconds is something that has existed in comics for years. In this case it's a tool so that new readers can catch up on what's happened or who the character is. Could it have been done at a more oportune moment? Maybe, but these ARE comics.

Agent Diana "atoning" for Max's death for some shadowy government agency like saaaaaaayyyy...Checkmate or Suicide Squad would make PERFECT sense because we've already that it's what happens in DC. Or maybe she's with them to make sure there isn't a future "Max" in the group. I don't know, it's better to let the story develop.

I do not want to offend people, I just point out why I do not like it.

Riiiight, not offend like this?

Why did NONE of you supposed Wonder Woman fans recognize that 1970s jumpsuit on WW?

I say you didn't! I am the only one to notice it & mention it. Everyone else was gushing over how great this new direction is :down

Ok, thats a cop out. Now anyone can use that excuse,..." oh I recognized it, but I thought it was not important, so I did not mention it!"

give me a freakin break!


What do you love about this stinker of an issue?

the retro 1970s jumpsuit Emma Peel thing? ( ITS BEEN DONE & BETTER IN THE 1970s DUDES!) Wikipedia even mentiones the 1970s jumpsuit thing!!!! YOU dudes really need to learn your comic history & realize when it reoccurs.


That last one was a reply to someone who posted "I loved this issue." That's the totality of his/her post and that's your reply.:o

[jim lee's bat]

I habe 3 questions:

Where's this preview of jla?

Can someone post pics of donna's costume?

And finally, whats so different about Diana's costume (the cover one) from the one she's always worn?

[Deathlok2001]

This new WW just does not work for me, OK? I am more interested in seeing the Doom Patrol in the Teen Titans.

[Binker]

Why did NONE of you supposed Wonder Woman fans recognized that 1970s jumpsuit on WW?

Once again: read my GOD DAMN review! I mentioned it, I knew what it was, and I thought it was cool.

[Manic]

Holy crap. Someone needs a rescue from Prince Valium.

Anyway, I liked the narration during this issue. Know why? Because I'm not a regular Wonder Woman reader, and I needed to know what I was dealing with. The only post-Crisis WW I've read was Perez' restart arc, and with retcons being the new black, I didn't know what to expect.

I don't see the big deal with the white jumpsuit, though. So it's a retread from her pre-Crisis days? Superman restarted, too, and if I had a dime for every pre-Crisis element they re-touched...

[RAMORE]

meh

[Deathlok2001]

Normally, I am all over a book that brings something from the 1970s into a current storyline, but not this.

[The Caped Knight]

Why did NONE of you supposed Wonder Woman fans recognize that 1970s jumpsuit on WW?

Answer the question please rather than put people down!

Man Diana look Smooking hot in this outfit .

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/962/dianaprince0lx.jpg

[Tropico]

:eek: + drool. :D

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm still not a fan of Dodson's work, but the art in this issue was decent.

[The Caped Knight]

Can someone post pics of donna's costume?

And finally, whats so different about Diana's costume (the cover one) from the one she's always worn?

here you go.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e6/WWDonna.jpg
Donna Troy/Wonder Woman

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/Wonderwomandodson.png
Diana Prince/WONDER WOMAN

[The Caped Knight]

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5743/uglyprettythings9ur.jpg
Cheetah look's Super hot . I hope she stays human forever now .

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/5259/cassie2wm.jpg
Gigantea look's about the same.

[The Caped Knight]

here you go.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e6/WWDonna.jpg
Donna Troy/Wonder Woman

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/Wonderwomandodson.png
Diana Prince/WONDER WOMAN

I still like Diana's suit better . Althought Donna's suit isn't that bad .

[Deathlok2001]

What does the limited variant cover look like

[The Caped Knight]

What does the limited variant cover look like

This

http://img288.imageshack.us/img288/4007/wonderwoman1covervariant6nn.jpg

[Deathlok2001]

W@W! I bet its $20 in my city, what was the ratio 20:1

[TheCorpulent1]

And finally, whats so different about Diana's costume (the cover one) from the one she's always worn?
Previous costume:

http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/img/WonderWoman.jpg

Redesigned costume:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/Wonderwomandodson.png

The only real differences are the "W" and the belt. In the previous one, the "W" is just that: a simple "W" over Diana's breasts. The previous costume also has a simpler belt design. In the new one, the "W" has an eagle head coming out over the top and a "V" shape coming down out of the bottom, and the belt is now a "W" shape.

[The Caped Knight]

I liked this cover so I got this one.
http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/9791/wonderwoman1final9ov.jpg

[Varient]

Intresting very Intresting .
I read it,.. Donna has gained weight up top and across the hips,.. and her fighting ability has gotten worse.

[TheCorpulent1]

Be grateful Frank Cho didn't draw it. Donna would've practically grown another person in the ass area if he had. ;)

[Assassin]

It seems to me that Assassin doesnt like it because he's never liked Wonder Woman in the first place and Deathlok has something against disco and hated the Crisis therefore will hate a by product of the crisis.


but i'd rather read her like this than ruckas greek mythology bull****. i hate greek mythology, i like her more human now, but get rid of the white suit now!

[Varient]

Be grateful Frank Cho didn't draw it. Donna would've practically grown another person in the ass area if he had. ;)
Truth.

I guess I need to be quiet

[The Caped Knight]

http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/9791/wonderwoman1final9ov.jpg
WONDER WOMAN # 1 Vol.3

http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/8737/wonderwoman23ef.jpg
Wonder Woman # 2


http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Aug06/DC_U/WonderWomanCv3.jpg
WONDER WOMAN # 3

I've notice Even thought Diana isn't Wonder Woman right now, Terry Dodson still Draw's Diana in her WW outfit on the Wonder woman covers not Donna Troy or her new outfit.

[TheCorpulent1]

but i'd rather read her like this than ruckas greek mythology bull****. i hate greek mythology, i like her more human now, but get rid of the white suit now!
Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel obviously aren't the characters for you, then. :o

[Assassin]

no ****, did batman train you to be a bad ass detective?

[Tropico]

I liked this cover so I got this one.
http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/9791/wonderwoman1final9ov.jpg

YAY! WW brings back up the Bald Eagle population.:D:p

[Nightwing]

This was a good starting point. The art was tremendous and the writing was well written for both new/current readers. Donna is obviously a temporary standin for Diana, and it's about time she got a chance at the role. Dick has been Batman, Wally became the official Flash, Garth nearly became the new Aquaman, and Roy...well, Roy's just playing by a different set of rules.
While I'm dubious to see Diana become a government agent when she had such a bad relationship with the U.S. White House in Rucka's run, I'm willing to see it play out. I will be curious to see Donna resume her Harbringer duties and set up her own identity. With the Amazons in exile, hopefully both Cassie & Donna will remain as supporting characters in the Wonder Woman title.
Nemesis & Diana. That's an intriguing combination.

9/10

[deemar325]

PLOT:

One year after Wonder Woman's last appearence; Giganta, Cheetah (in human form) & Doctor Psycho hold Steve Trevor hostage. Their demand": they want Diana to come out of hiding. Wonder Woman comes in to the picture, but its not Princess Diana, its Donna Troy. As she fights the villians, Nemesis gets a new bodyground: Diana Prince.


REVIEW:

#226 ended the Vol. 2 title of Wonder Woman. I remember when this was announced that her title was going to be canned, Infinite Crisis-related or not, that people thought DC had balls to cancelled a superheroine that was the first superheroine ever and everyone knew her as above like Superman and Batman (hence DC's Big Three). I thought it was bad to cancel her, maybe because the last of her issues was the first time I was collecting the comics. But I was remembered that DC did this when they ended Vol. 1 due to Crisis of Infinite Earths and started Vol. 2. And sure enough, same thing happened here. Here is Vol. 3!

This arc, as many alway knows, is a OYL, or OYL-type, arc. It relates back to Infinite Crisis as she left everything behind, just like Superman (somewhat) and just like Batman to refind herself, like the others. Now "UP, UP & AWAY" brings back Superman and "FACE THE FACE" brings back Batman. "WHO IS WONDER WOMAN?" does the same thing for Wonder Woman. Sorta.

The NEW Wonder Woman is Donna Troy. I thought they would be kidding as many didn't want someone else to wear the costume but they weren't. Now as I think of it; when Donna Troy first appeared, that story was "WHO IS DONNA TROY?" and this is the same but with "WONDER WOMAN" instead. I guess we should've put two and two together. I wondered at first if this cover that would prolly be the cover to the TPB collecting the arc would give people (who didn't read this) the wrong impression but Donna and Diana look alike, and the cover to #1 has a Diana-essence to me and thats her eyebrows. So we're okay.

Back to the issue...

First thing new is the costume, well some of it. The "W" shaped symbol on her chest is now shaped as an eagle. Its a little bigger as well. Also, she now wears a "W" shaped belt. Second new is Steve Trevor. Now, Post-Crisis he was old, now Post-IC he is young. I do seem to remember that Steve Trevor had a son but my memory is really messy on that so might not be the case. Also, modern (before or now) or not, his history was being the first man to set foot on Paradise Island is said here. Now, going back to the arc back in Wonder Woman Vol. 2's early days, that might be true anyways but I thought I should point it out. Anyway; Steve Trevor is young.

For the villians: Doctor Psycho had already appeared in Manhunter OYL so his appearence was nothing new (except the bald head). Giganta was the same: I like her new outfit. Cheetah was the new one. Pre-Crisis: she was a human being who had cheetah-like powers and wore a costume. Post-Crisis: she was a human-cheetah hybrid. Now Post-IC: she's back as she was Pre-Crisis. Her new outfit sorta models after Wonder Woman's and her new power (maybe old, so bear with me) is to control real-like Cheetahs.

Now on the stars: Diana aka Diana Prince: OLD Wonder Woman & Donna Troy NEW Wonder Woman.

To get this out of the way, as it is short: Diana only appears in the last shot. What she is doing right now and her new role OYL isn't known yet. I do like to point out like like the other females in this book: I also like her outfit as well. It reminds me of the outfits Lynda Carter wore in the Wonder Woman TV show and its said she is an agent and that is shown with the belt and the outfit as well. Agent of what and why? Wait and see and we'll know.

Now for Donna Troy. She doesn't wear a Wonder Woman outfit, she wears the battle armor some may remember from the Our Worlds at War or more from Kingdom Come. Only without the wings and instead with a cape Wonder Woman (Diana) always wore with it when needed. How is she as Wonder Woman? She is fine. Like I said, she and Diana look alike and they're sisters so she would have to be similar anyways. Her in the role with Diana gone for a year makes her more Wonder Woman than Donna Troy and I sense less of who Donna normally is as she seems more into playing her sister. Since she is still Donna in 52, one wonders how long has she been as the Amazing Amazon. Since Internal Affairs know she has been wearing the costume, its been awhile. But since the villians want Diana back so badly, she might've been like this maybe for a short while. I don't know, hopefully we'll know more as I'm not gettign 52 at all.

Overall: this was nice to see her back. Not just Donna Troy, or the minor appearebce of Diana again at the end, but Wonder Woman in general. She's too good of a characetr to cancel and she is a role model of every woman of the planet.

WELCOME BACK, GIRL!

RATING: 8/10

I understood about half of that.^

Dude you need to either slow down while your typing or go back to grammar school.

[RockSP]

Having never read Wonder Woman on a regular basis (I read a few issues of the Byrne run that a buddy of mine had), I have no problem at all with this issue. I liked the writing and the art. I would be fine with Donna taking over but I'm sure she won't. Don't really see the problem with her "'70's jumpsuit" (I'm sure it didn't look exactly like that back in the day) either.

Is Dr. Psycho a WW villain? I don't know any of her rogues gallery except Cheetah.

[The Batman]

deemar, whos that in your avy?

[The Flash!]

deemar, whos that in your avy?

Can we please keep this thread about WW? That's what PM's are for. Sheesh. :rolleyes:

[The Flash!]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e6/WWDonna.jpg

Y'know, I actually liked Donna's suit. It had an awesome look, and I like the fact that she carried around a sword. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

no ****, did batman train you to be a bad ass detective?
Then quit *****ing and get out of here, douche. You're just gonna drop Wonder Woman the moment they mention a Greek god anyway. :o

[The Batman]

Can we please keep this thread about WW? That's what PM's are for. Sheesh. :rolleyes:

Can you stop whining? It Was ONE QUESTION. You act like the thread was off topic for five pages. Calm the hell down.

[The Batman]

Then quit *****ing and get out of here, douche. You're just gonna drop Wonder Woman the moment they mention a Greek god anyway. :o


The funny part is, this guy likes All Star Batman....


lol.....

[TheCorpulent1]

Nah, Assassin knows it's all in fun. I mean every word, but it's all in fun. ;)

[The Caped Knight]

I thought this scene was cool until I saw that Donna Troy forgot how to fight like an AMAZON. Not to mention The doc reminded me of The scarecrow .

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/576/dianadonna19qk.jpg
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/9427/dianadonna20ju.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6001/dianadonna34sc.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7523/dianadonna40pu.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8391/dianadonna57fc.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

What was wrong with the way Donna fought? Psycho was using Donna's own mental image of Diana. Donna grew up in Diana's shadow her entire life. Makes sense that her mental image of Diana would be better, faster, and stronger than she could ever hope to keep up with.

[Assassin]

Nah, Assassin knows it's all in fun. I mean every word, but it's all in fun. ;)

tell momma corpy i'll be late for dinner tonight. :up: she makes a mean casterole, then i'll give her desert when we put corpy to bed.


:(

[TheCorpulent1]

Um... ok. My mom's never made a "casterole" in her life, nor has she made a casserole, which is what I think you were going for there. Must've gotten her confused with another fat kid's mom. Sucks for you, ****ing some random fat kid's mom for no reason. :o

[Assassin]

lol i thought all american moms made casseroles, i saw it on tv :p

besides i never said i ****ed her, we didnt wanna have desert around the fat kid, more for us.

[TheCorpulent1]

Why do you assume I'm American? Bigot. :o

[Assassin]

because you're greedy, selfish, and you live in america, :)



i'm american too but my parents werent born here, so yea we dont make casseroles

[The Flash!]

Can you stop whining? It Was ONE QUESTION. You act like the thread was off topic for five pages. Calm the hell down.

Dude, I'm not "whining". And trust me, I'm very calm. All I'm saying is you could've pmed deemar is all. And if you looked for the past 4 or so pages, you'll see that it DID go a bit off-topic. :o

[The Flash!]

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/576/dianadonna19qk.jpg

I really hope Diana gets back as WW, ASAP.

Btw, did anyone hear the rumor of Heinberg leaving after only five issues? :confused:

[TheCorpulent1]

And if you looked for the past 4 or so pages, you'll see that it DID go a bit off-topic. :o
Kind of to be expected when someone starts a thread for a series more than 2 months before the first issue is set to come out. :o

[GoldenAgeHero]

i like donna troy as wonder woman.

[The Flash!]

Kind of to be expected when someone starts a thread for a series more than 2 months before the first issue is set to come out. :o

Very true. :o :up:

[The Flash!]

i like donna troy as wonder woamn.

Yeah so did I, like I said before I though her suit was awesome. I wouldn't mind if she remained on the mantle for a few MORE issues, though Diana to me will always be WW. Which of course she regains the name of course, but still....Donna would've been cool....

I admit, I was a bit skeptical when the issue came out. I looked through it and was just like ----> Wow. :eek: :eek: :eek:

[GoldenAgeHero]

yeah, but i dont think diana will always be synonmous with the role. I'm sure if given the chnace donna wouldve grown full on into the role as wonder woman.

[TheCorpulent1]

Nah, barring a temporary hiccup here and there, Wonder Woman will always be Diana, Batman will always be Bruce Wayne, and Superman will always be Clark Kent.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Nah, barring a temporary hiccup here and there, Wonder Woman will always be Diana, Batman will always be Bruce Wayne, and Superman will always be Clark Kent.

yeah only to us comics fans but no one outside of this comic community gives a rats arse about diana being synonmous with being wonder woman.

btw that diana prince agent get up is pretty crummy.

[The Watchman]

It's true, Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne are as well known as Superman and Batman, but with WW they'd be able to slip someone else in there without the general public knowing...

[The Caped Knight]

Nah, barring a temporary hiccup here and there, Wonder Woman will always be Diana, Batman will always be Bruce Wayne, and Superman will always be Clark Kent.

WORD, you forgot one Wally West will always be THE FLASH

[The Watchman]

errrr...........



Hahahahahahahahahaha



...*falls over laughing* someone people really haven't read a comic before 1986.


...though Wally is Flash to me, in my heart...Too gay?

[TheCorpulent1]

yeah only to you comics fans but no one outside of this comic community gives a rats arse about diana being synonmous with being wonder woman.
No one outside of the comic community gives a rat's ass about anything in comics. That's why they're not part of the comic community. :rolleyes:

[Assassin]

the mantle of the flash is like a door knob, every body gets a turn

[Assassin]

errrr...........



Hahahahahahahahahaha



...*falls over laughing* someone people really haven't read a comic before 1986.


...though Wally is Flash to me, in my heart...Too gay?

too gay is the author who wrote this book, right corpy?:O

[The Caped Knight]

errrr...........



Hahahahahahahahahaha



...*falls over laughing* someone people really haven't read a comic before 1986.


...though Wally is Flash to me, in my heart...Too gay?


I know

Jay was The first Flash, & Barry was The second Flash . But Wally will always be my favorite Scarlet Speedster. He's The BEST .

[TheCorpulent1]

too gay is the author who wrote this book, right corpy?
Oy. :(

[GoldenAgeHero]

too gay is the author who wrote this book, right corpy?:O

hienberg is gay?

[Assassin]

i found out 6 min ago

[TheCorpulent1]

i found out 6 min ago
No way, only 6 minutes? Based on the sheer number of gay jokes you made, I thought it would've had to be more than that. :confused:

[The Watchman]

He wrote for the OC and Sex and the City...now WW of course he's gay but that shouldn't make any difference because the man is a great writer.

[GoldenAgeHero]

for some odd reason that weirds me out. is this why DC is getting so pc and crap cause they have homosexuals working for them or something? joan hilty,hienberg, jiminez.

[Tropico]

for some odd reason that weirds me out. is this why DC is getting so pc and crap cause they have homosexuals working for them or something? joan hilty,hienberg, jiminez.

:rolleyes:

[Assassin]

He wrote for the OC and Sex and the City...now WW of course he's gay but that shouldn't make any difference because the man is a great writer.

thats what i told corpy but he said he's boycotting the gays

[RockSP]

I didn't know...and now that I do I don't give a rat's patootie.

[TheCorpulent1]

thats what i told corpy but he said he's boycotting the gays
Yes, clearly, between the two of us, I am the homophobe. I'm a weak, small man. :)

[GoldenAgeHero]

:rolleyes:

what?! seems a bit weird that DC is now getting all homophobetastic on us, seems like some sort of conspiracy. i dunno it's just weird. of course it doesnt effect my judgement on the artists and writers, but still..the whole thing is odd.

[Green Lantern]

Yes, clearly, between the two of us, I am the homophobe. I'm a weak, small man. :)How can you call yourself small with more girth than a grey whale? :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Are... are you propositioning me? :confused:

[Green Lantern]

Oh baby, oh baby, I want you, I need you.

[Assassin]

eww, the gay has gotten you two :(

[TheCorpulent1]

You know how "the gays" are. It's contagious. :o

[Green Lantern]

*touches Assassin* Ha now you're infected too!

[Assassin]

allan heinburgs myspace already gave it to me :(

[Assassin]

j/p, he's a cool guy, gay or not, not my problem

[TheCorpulent1]

I think you mean "not a problem."

[Assassin]

it is a problem, acording to my religion.

[The Watchman]

aaaaaaaand this ladies and gents is why we live in such a hate-filled world, ironic considering what religion is supposed to stand for.

[Tropico]

what?! seems a bit weird that DC is now getting all homophobetastic on us, seems like some sort of conspiracy. i dunno it's just weird. of course it doesnt effect my judgement on the artists and writers, but still..the whole thing is odd.

Homophobe is a person that fears homosexuals, I think you're using the word incorrectly; but I get what you're trying to say.

I've seen your posts in regards to racial diversity and now in regards to sexual orientation, any discussion with you would be pointless. I just expressed my annoyance at your post with a simple emoticon, much the same way you do so with other posts but in a much more heavy handed approach. That is all.

[Assassin]

i like to joke, but in all seriousness i only fear and hate canadians

[GoldenAgeHero]

Homophobe is a person that fears homosexuals, I think you're using the word incorrectly; but I get what you're trying to say.

I've seen your posts in regards to racial diversity and now in regards to sexual orientation, any discussion with you would be pointless. I just expressed my annoyance at your post with a simple emoticon, much the same way you do so with other posts but in a much more heavy handed approach. That is all.

i have no problem with racial diversity nor sexual orientation, i just dont like the way DC is implementing it. theyre making it such a big deal, to the point where i dont give a damn. they replace ralph for an asain character and replaced batgirl with a gay character.

they should've just kept bat girl since she was already asian(or chinese) and shouldve made alan's(gl) son who was already gay and give powers or something.

see how easy that was to think of. instead they shnit that didnt need fixing in the first place. all of it was already there.

[The Watchman]

see how easy that was to think of. instead they shnit that didnt need fixing in the first place. all of it was already there.

which woud suggest WHAT then, use your brain, c'mon isn't that hard....

...the changes weren't based on the reasons you're projecting on them.

[Tropico]

i have no problem with racial diversity nor sexual orientation, i just dont like the way DC is implementing it.

In othe words you want it to stay like this and not have more diverse characters, or at least that it was fewer of them?

They're making it such a big deal, to the point where i dont give a damn.

It's good that you don't give a damn. Why should you give a damn about racial/sexual diversity? You have no problem with it, ergo you shouldn't give a damn.;)

They replace ralph for an asain character and replaced batgirl with a gay character.

From what I've read on the boards about The Atom, I would have to agree that replacing Ray with another person is foolish. I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't admit to some degree of discomfort since it bothered the hell out of me when they replaced Firestorm (one of my favorite characters) when Ronnie was still around. I'm not a fan of Ray/Atom, but I thought he was pretty cool and had always feared that something bad would happen to him with the ending we got in Identity Crisis (which apparently came true:(). It doesn't matter to me what his sex/ethnicity/sexual orientation is, though. It bothers me that (from what I've read on the boards) it looks like a carbon copy of Ray Palmer.

they should've just kept bat girl since she was already asian(or chinese) and shouldve made alan's(gl) son who was already gay and give powers or something.

Cassandra was Batgirl, Betty is going to be Batwoman. There's still room for Batgirl to come back.;)
Todd (Alan's son) already had powers and apparently, from what was seen in Manhunter, he has his powers back. The gay thing was new to me until those Manhunter comics, though.

see how easy that was to think of. instead they shnit that didnt need fixing in the first place. all of it was already there.

What you "thought of" offers very little change, doesn't it? I think what DC is trying to do is taking advantage of some of the attention they've gotten and take some risks after IC since it's like it's a fresh start for everything. I prefer that new characters be introduced that "rock the boat" than finding out that my favorite hero is now what I didn't think it was.