Design a new Cowl for Robin

[Laber79]

If we ever do see Robin in a Chris Nolan film do you think he would change Robin wearing that little Lone Ranger Mask? I would love to see some designs of possible Cowls for Robin from board members.

[Two-Face]

Shouldn't be this in Batman Begins Sequels?

[explode7]

WOW! I don't know whether to be amazed by another Robin thread or the fact that kimbrelli robin had nothing to do with the creation of this Robin thread.

[Keyser Sushi]

Somebody already created a new Robin mask. It was like big motorcycle goggles with red lenses. It was brilliant.

Next.

[Ronny Shade]

Somebody already created a new Robin mask. It was like big motorcycle goggles with red lenses. It was brilliant.

Next.
Got a pic?

[Keyser Sushi]

It was a thread somewhere here on the Hype!... it was some artist dude doing Begins-inspired designs. Some of them were great. Have to see if I can find it. I'll post it here when I do...

[Ronny Shade]

Sweet.

I like the All-Star mask.

[StorminNorman]

Sweet.

I like the All-Star mask.

I like Jim Lee. Period.

[Ronny Shade]

There are many of us who would go gay for Jim Lee, if I'm not mistaken.

[StorminNorman]

There are many of us who would go gay for Jim Lee, if I'm not mistaken.

Yes, I think he may be the only artest I would go heard sheep with. I would still probably wake up with regrets though, and a sore bum.

[Keyser Sushi]

Drawn by Super Scar and colored by Crazy Monkey:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/itsme_dammit/rob3.jpg

I like that suit, and the coloring of that mask, but I prefer the attitude of this one, also by Super Scar:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/ripper/robin.jpg

And the mask on this one, but with the red lenses:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/ripper/robinc2.jpg

Again, all credit to Super Scar for these. View the rest of his wonderful artwork in this (http://superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163298) thread.

[StorminNorman]

I really liked 2 and 3 - especially 3, very nice. Keyser was right all along (as usual).

Next.

[Ronny Shade]

I like #2 and 3 especially as well. Wouldn't be disappointed if they used that one.:up:

The first one kinda looks like he's got a turtleneck on underneath that Nomex.

[Motown Marvel]

1. robin's not gonna be in the movie.
2. why the f**k would you need to re-design the domino mask, yet alone give him a cowl?!

[StorminNorman]

1. robin's not gonna be in the movie.
2. why the f**k would you need to re-design the domino mask, yet alone give him a cowl?!

1. No, Robin will not be in BB2 - however should the franchise go more than 3 movies, I expect he will raise his head - possibly showing up at the end of BB3 ala Dark Victory.

2. The idea of Robin simply wearing the small mask he wears now goes against the realistic style of Begins. One could argue that Robin in general goes against Begins, but I believe Robin could be used in other ways outside of combat and make it 100% reasonable. Having a larger mask - ala the 3rd design Keyser posted, or a Begins Cowl minus Batears, would allow Robin to keep his identity secret.

[Ronny Shade]

A couple of things about Robin's secret I.D.:

1) He's less of a public figure than Batsy, so his identity is going to be easier to conceal. Somebody might rip of the bat-mask in a fight and say "Hey! It's Bruce Wayne, The Prince of Gotham! You'd have to go a thousand miles to find somebody who doesn't know his name!" As opposed to seeing Robin's face: "It was some kid!"

2) As long as the mask is a decent size, covering up about half of his face, it shouldn't be much of a problem. Especially if he musses up his hair like in the comics and TAS. It was painfully obvious that Chris O'Donnell was Robin. With a bigger mask and some hair action, that can be fixed.

3) Robin's not going to be experienced enough to keep his voice a certain way like Batman does, but he can work on it.

[Caliber]

Robin does not need to be talked about. Hes never going to appear in another film. Sidekicks suck.

[Brian Braddock]

It's a bit of a moot point as by the time Robin actually makes it into a Batman movie, he'll probably be that old he'll have a beard which will cover his cowl. :O

[ShadowBoxing]

Some sort of tech goggles glasses...kinda like #2 of Keysor Sushi's post

[Saint]

Sigh, another topic for silly Robin-hate to run wild. I love how people pretend that because he was done poorly in the Schumacher films, he can't be done at all. Batman sucked in those films too, does that mean we should cut him out of the franchise?

[Milkman95]

Actually, I think Robin was done fairly well in BF. Origin was pretty much spot-on, and the costume was good besides the overblown codpiece and nipples.

I'd rather not have him at all, but if we did, I'm sure Nolan could do fine with it.....

[Motown Marvel]

1. No, Robin will not be in BB2 - however should the franchise go more than 3 movies, I expect he will raise his head - possibly showing up at the end of BB3 ala Dark Victory.

then this is being talked about in the wrong forum.

2. The idea of Robin simply wearing the small mask he wears now goes against the realistic style of Begins. One could argue that Robin in general goes against Begins, but I believe Robin could be used in other ways outside of combat and make it 100% reasonable. Having a larger mask - ala the 3rd design Keyser posted, or a Begins Cowl minus Batears, would allow Robin to keep his identity secret.

im all for the reality thing, but you can only take that so far, and you dont want to take it to the point where your infringe on loyalty to source material....besides, we ARE talking about a story featuring a billionaire dressing up as a bat fighting personal vendetta gainst crime...you gotta let the reality thing slide from time to time. cowls, goggles, bulls#!t...robins domino maks is just as important to his character as the cowl is to batman. dont f**k with what works....you'd be changing it for the sake of change.

[Ronny Shade]

I say they try it out with a head-protective cowl like Batman wears, but Dick is used to doing acrobatics without it, and it messes him up and gets in the way...so they switch to the mask.

[Ronny Shade]

By the way, here's a real quick sketch I did of a Robin design in my Asian Cinema class.
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/943/robin6yn.jpg
colors would be muted greens, dark reds, a bit of gold a la the Begins utility belt and black.

[StorminNorman]

By the way, here's a real quick sketch I did of a Robin design in my Asian Cinema class.
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/943/robin6yn.jpg
colors would be muted greens, dark reds, a bit of gold a la the Begins utility belt and black.

I wish I had Ronny's skills. Very nice.

[StorminNorman]

then this is being talked about in the wrong forum.



im all for the reality thing, but you can only take that so far, and you dont want to take it to the point where your infringe on loyalty to source material....besides, we ARE talking about a story featuring a billionaire dressing up as a bat fighting personal vendetta gainst crime...you gotta let the reality thing slide from time to time. cowls, goggles, bulls#!t...robins domino maks is just as important to his character as the cowl is to batman. dont f**k with what works....you'd be changing it for the sake of change.

It probably is in the wrong forum - but I never argued that.

I think the Goggles are nothing more than an improvement on the Robin Mask, not a huge radical change.

[Horror Business]

i think the goggles are a little corny.

[StorminNorman]

i think the goggles are a little corny.

I think it SOUNDS corny - but I think the pics posted by Keyser and Ronny shows that it can work.

[Horror Business]

no they don't.

[StorminNorman]

Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion, I just think you are wrong.

[Horror Business]

thats cool, i just dont feel there is anything wrong with a domino mask, the goggles seem to bulky.

[Logan Howlett]

I don't think he should be Robin at all. I think he should be a guy who's parents where killed, and now he wants revenge. He doesnt have to go and study like Bruce did because hes a trained gymnist and circus performer, so he just hits the streets dealing out his own brand of justice wearing something like a biker Jacket and some jeans, and perhaps a mask he got from the circus. The local new would call him "The Robin" for the way he seems to fly with his gymnastic grace, but later on when he is confronted and eventual befriended by Batman he would take on a name thats sounds much more ominous and threatening, NIGHTWING! I mean come on, what self respecting guy is gona hit the streets with the name of a Bird in yellow spandex?

If someone could make a manip of what he would look like in the Biker jacket and mask and then also as his final transition into NightWing that would be cool! I figure the first look could kinda be like Renegade!

[Logan Howlett]

I actualy ment along the lines of Jason Todd as Red Hood. The red mask he wears and the Biker Jacket.

[patrickbateman]

Ok Why The Name



Robin?

[patrickbateman]

???

[fangrl06]

A Robin movie? Whoa...that's cool. What was his name again(sorry)....Nightwing?

[StorminNorman]

You cant have a Robin movie with out Batman and I dont think you can have a good Nightwing without Robin (or some connection to Batman) before it.

Fangrl: Nightwing is Dick Grayson (the first Robin) after he "grew up" and became his own hero.
The Second Robin died, came back (turned out to be a hoax), came back again (for real) and became a vigiliante/criminal named Red Hood.
The Third Robin is well...Robin.

[Ronny Shade]

Okay, for one, will somebody explain to me what a "domino mask" is? I'm confused.


no they don't.
You're right, they really don't. A drawing rarely ever proves that something will look goos on screen. I think it would work (Think Jim Lee's version in All-Star and same for his Catwoman design) but I can't be positive.

A head-covering cowl would just look awful, though.

[Ronny Shade]

You cant have a Robin movie with out Batman and I dont think you can have a good Nightwing without Robin (or some connection to Batman) before it.

Fangrl: Nightwing is Dick Grayson (the first Robin) after he "grew up" and became his own hero.
The Second Robin died, came back (turned out to be a hoax), came back again (for real) and became a vigiliante/criminal named Red Hood.
The Third Robin is well...Robin.

Does Bruce still have the "good soldier" display in the cave?

[fangrl06]

You cant have a Robin movie with out Batman and I dont think you can have a good Nightwing without Robin (or some connection to Batman) before it.

Fangrl: Nightwing is Dick Grayson (the first Robin) after he "grew up" and became his own hero.
The Second Robin died, came back (turned out to be a hoax), came back again (for real) and became a vigiliante/criminal named Red Hood.
The Third Robin is well...Robin.
hmmm...okay...I'll have to pick up some BM comics...

[StorminNorman]

Does Bruce still have the "good soldier" display in the cave?

Good Question.

[StorminNorman]

hmmm...okay...I'll have to pick up some BM comics...

The 2 part GN HUSH deals with the 2nd Robin (Jason Todd) "coming back" the first time, as well as involving Nightwing and the 3rd Robin (Tim Drake). Plus its a damn good story and fantastic artwork.

[Bathead]

Okay, for one, will somebody explain to me what a "domino mask" is? I'm confused.
A domino mask is a small mask that covers only right around the eyes and sometimes the nose. Robin, Green Lantern,The Lone Ranger, Zorro, all wear domino masks.

[Ronny Shade]

Okay thanks. That makes total sense. Where does the term "domino" come from?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I'm guessing b/c of the circle holes.....or something.

Zorro's btw, the best.

Btw, the whole Robin thing....pretty simple when you break it down.

There's been 3 Robins. Dick Grayson (now Nightwing), Jason Todd and Tim Drake.

Drake is the current Robin, while the first one (Dick) has grown out of the Boy Wonder title and become his own man as Nightwing.

While Jason Todd was believed to have been dead, he was revived by the current GIANT CROSSOVER OF THE GALAXY........I'm guessing it's the equivilant of MARVEL'S house of M.

See......pretty simple....hmm.....well....er.....yeah......

[StorminNorman]

I'm guessing b/c of the circle holes.....or something.

Zorro's btw, the best.

Btw, the whole Robin thing....pretty simple when you break it down.

There's been 3 Robins. Dick Grayson (now Nightwing), Jason Todd and Tim Drake.

Drake is the current Robin, while the first one (Dick) has grown out of the Boy Wonder title and become his own man as Nightwing.

While Jason Todd was believed to have been dead, he was revived by the current GIANT CROSSOVER OF THE GALAXY........I'm guessing it's the equivilant of MARVEL'S house of M.

See......pretty simple....hmm.....well....er.....yeah......

Yea, not very outsider friendly. You didnt even mention Stephanie Brown or DKR Robin either - but very few people do anyway.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Pffttt....DKR Robin is a psycho, a disgrace to the green and yellow shorts.

And Brown.....well....there's a reason Leslie murdered her.

[StorminNorman]

Pffttt....DKR Robin is a psycho, a disgrace to the green and yellow shorts.

And Brown.....well....there's a reason Leslie murdered her.

More or less my thoughts exactly - I hated DKR Robin, and after seeing her in her Catgirl getup made me loose any chance of EVER liking her. It may just be me, but I find the idea of a Senile Bruce Wayne running around with a young girl far more...freaky then a Young Bruce Wayne with a young ward.

[Ronny Shade]

Pffttt....DKR Robin is a psycho, a disgrace to the green and yellow shorts.

:confused::confused:
"psycho?"

maybe she's a little weird, but...

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I thought you meant Pscyho Robin from DKSA.

Yeah, the Robin-chick.....I'm fine with her.

[StorminNorman]

I thought you meant Pscyho Robin from DKSA.

Yeah, the Robin-chick.....I'm fine with her.

ah. that explains the pshyco reference- just assumed you didnt like her lol. I never was able to finish DKSA, unfortunitly I know what happens and I think I dont want to finish it so I can keep my respect for ole' Grayson, and Frank Miller.

[Ronny Shade]

Oh, yes, pyscho robin from DK2. Shhh. don't spoil it!

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Trust me.......you'll lose respect for Miller AND Grayson after that.

[Ronny Shade]

I'm the exception. I still have gobs of respect for both of them.

[Whack Arnolds]

Drawn by Super Scar and colored by Crazy Monkey:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/itsme_dammit/rob3.jpg

I like that suit, and the coloring of that mask, but I prefer the attitude of this one, also by Super Scar:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/ripper/robin.jpg

And the mask on this one, but with the red lenses:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/ripper/robinc2.jpg

Again, all credit to Super Scar for these. View the rest of his wonderful artwork in this (http://superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163298) thread.
GOD, great artwork... but the concepts suck. And I don't mean his designs or ideas. I mean the concept of Robin, the child vigilante, tag along.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Me too, b/c I had my brain mindwiped by Zanatanna of that entire experience.

[Ronny Shade]

I think there's like one other person on the Hype that actually likes DK2.

[Brian Braddock]

GOD, great artwork... but the concepts suck. And I don't mean his designs or ideas. I mean the concept of Robin, the child vigilante, tag along.

Couldnt agree more - I actually think the 1st designs really good (and certainly matches stylisticallt with the BB design) but yeah, the concept of Robin 'the child vigilante' as you say is absurd (an teenager of maybe 15+ I can just about buy but a kid beating up on fully grown men?) and Nolan shares this view.
Hence no Robin for a few years at least.

[Laber79]

Yeah, I agree that while Nolan is helming the franchise Robin in uniform or fighting grown men will not happen. I would rather see WB give a series to Nightwing instead of the upcoming Aquaman project. In my opinion the Nightwing character could make a great series kinda like Birds of Prey but with more Batman characters appearing and the occassional appearence from the Bat himself.

[Ronny Shade]

"Kinda like Birds of Prey" are words nobody should ever have to use.

[GoldGoblin]

A kid sidekick,it's like you guys want so badly for this next movie to suck.

[Leto Atrides]

A kid sidekick,it's like you guys want so badly for this next movie to suck.

'Cause Batman having a kid as a sidekick makes so little sense for the character. I mean, Robin's been around since what, the 10th issue of Batman? Completely not a part of the mythos.

[StorminNorman]

'Cause Batman having a kid as a sidekick makes so little sense for the character. I mean, Robin's been around since what, the 10th issue of Batman? Completely not a part of the mythos.

Well Batman also had a fiance since the first issue of Batman - it doesnt mean it was a good idea.:) I respect Robin's place in the mythos, I just believe that with the realistic edge Begins is going for - a 12 year old combat partner is not a smart idea. Now a 16-17 year old scout makes more sense IMO.

[Leto Atrides]

Well Batman also had a fiance since the first issue of Batman - it doesnt mean it was a good idea.

Touche.

[Keyser Sushi]

Yeah, I never said Robin should be in the bat-sequels. I'd be just as happy not to see him.

BUT --

I don't dislike the character, nor do I think it's as absurd as some here make it out to be. If Robin were about 13 and full of anger, and was going to go looking for revenge no matter what - the only way Batman could protect him is to train him.

THEN I could see it working.

Also, with martial arts - believe it or not - a kid CAN kick an adult's ass.

It's physically possible.

I think if they did Robin, they should do it as a controlled story arc - have Robin start out as young kid who needs guidance lest he get himself killed in his quest for vengeance - Batman takes him under his wing and the dynamic is sort of Ra's and Bruce from "Begins," then over the next film or two, the missions serve double-duty as training for Robin, until he is able to take down the person who orphaned him.

In the course of that adventure, Batman and Robin have a falling out and Robin leaves. He's gone for a couple movies and comes back as Nightwing for a guest-shot in a film, and then his arc is done.

Of course, it'll never happen.

But the point I'm trying to make is that Robin COULD be done well. Just because he hasn't been done well yet doesn't mean it isn't possible. It just means people haven't done it yet.

[Keyser Sushi]

I've always felt like Super Scar's designs were a bunch of good starts at something that never came together. I liked elements of all of them. So, here I am with what I consider a more finished design.

(Note that I said MORE finished, and not just "finished")

I'm gonna add color to this later, I think.

By later I mean, another day. :D

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f377/darthsushi/RobinBegins_SM.jpg

[Ronny Shade]

I like it, but what's with the turtleneck?

[Keyser Sushi]

I like it, but what's with the turtleneck?

You'll have to ask SuperScar... most of his Robin Designs have it in some form or other... the one I used there is the turtleneck from his first design above... actually I used quite a bit of that one - the whole torso, to be exact.

Don't know why, but I love the turtleneck. It's strange but it looks kinda cool. I think I'll make it olive green or something, with the red nomex armor on the torso and the rest will be black. Gold belt, Red lenses in the goggles, and, I think, maybe a tan or brown underside on the cape. Robin, but... darkish.

What say thee?

[Ronny Shade]

I say keep it, but slim it down. Make it either a collar like on the Daredevil costume, or a form-fitting (possibly lightweight kevlar) that extends about halfway up his neck. Kinda like the neck on Nightwing recently.

[TheGrayGhost]

Yeah, I never said Robin should be in the bat-sequels. I'd be just as happy not to see him.

BUT --

I don't dislike the character, nor do I think it's as absurd as some here make it out to be. If Robin were about 13 and full of anger, and was going to go looking for revenge no matter what - the only way Batman could protect him is to train him.

THEN I could see it working.

Also, with martial arts - believe it or not - a kid CAN kick an adult's ass.

It's physically possible.

I think if they did Robin, they should do it as a controlled story arc - have Robin start out as young kid who needs guidance lest he get himself killed in his quest for vengeance - Batman takes him under his wing and the dynamic is sort of Ra's and Bruce from "Begins," then over the next film or two, the missions serve double-duty as training for Robin, until he is able to take down the person who orphaned him.

In the course of that adventure, Batman and Robin have a falling out and Robin leaves. He's gone for a couple movies and comes back as Nightwing for a guest-shot in a film, and then his arc is done.

Of course, it'll never happen.

But the point I'm trying to make is that Robin COULD be done well. Just because he hasn't been done well yet doesn't mean it isn't possible. It just means people haven't done it yet.

Bravo!

I think way too many fans are misinterpreting Nolan's vision, and I've been trying to make that clear since the formation of this forum. Nolan's vision lies all in the story-telling, guys. It's not about deciding whether or not this or that is most suitable in a so-called "realistic world," because it isn't realistic at all. There's more heart to Batman Begins than that. It is all about how this or that further the telling of the story. In that sense, anything can be done, including Robin.

[Keyser Sushi]

Okay, so I lied about the timetable. I went ahead and colored it. Now it's late and I must away to bed, but... I give you Robin:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f377/darthsushi/RobinBeginsinColor2.jpg

[El Payaso]

GOD, great artwork... but the concepts suck. And I don't mean his designs or ideas. I mean the concept of Robin, the child vigilante, tag along.

Agreed.

Great artwork though.

[Ronny Shade]

Nice coloring job, Keys. What do you use, photoshop?

[Keyser Sushi]

Nice coloring job, Keys. What do you use, photoshop?

Thanks. :)

If I had PhotoShop, I'd use it. But I don't, so I use CorelPhoto-Paint, which is basically a PhotoShop clone. :o

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Originally Posted by Whack Arnolds
GOD, great artwork... but the concepts suck. And I don't mean his designs or ideas. I mean the concept of Robin, the child vigilante, tag along.


Agreed.

Great artwork though.


You and Whack just need to think a little harder about Robin. It doesn't have to be about a "tag-along" or anything.

I would also make the case that Robin quit being a child the day his parents died in front of him. After all, isn't that what happened to Bruce? The thing you need to think about is that Robin is a reflection of Batman. Bruce sees himself in Dick. And he wants to help.

After all, Batman's mission is to help people. To keep others from having to suffer like him. He can't bring Dick's parents back, but he can offer guidance, right?

[El Payaso]

You and Whack just need to think a little harder about Robin. It doesn't have to be about a "tag-along" or anything.

I would also make the case that Robin quit being a child the day his parents died in front of him. After all, isn't that what happened to Bruce? The thing you need to think about is that Robin is a reflection of Batman. Bruce sees himself in Dick. And he wants to help.

After all, Batman's mission is to help people. To keep others from having to suffer like him. He can't bring Dick's parents back, but he can offer guidance, right?

Guidance as in training an underage boy to put his life under risk every night? I don't think any 16 y.o. kid needs that as a guidance or as a picnic day for that matter. It's not helping the kid either. It is condemning the kid to follow a very twisted way of thinking/acting.

Also, prevent Dick to find a true family and keep him living with an adult bachelor is no guidance either. Robin can think he's quitting his childhood, but everybody's else obligation (Bruce's one included) is to help the kid to find a normal/healthy life. Robin is the exact opposite of that.

Because Dick reflects Batman is why Batman shouldn't and wouldn't use the kid as a extension of himself, whether Dick wants it or not.

[Ronny Shade]

Guidance as in training an underage boy to put his life under risk every night? I don't think any 16 y.o. kid needs that as a guidance or as a picnic day for that matter. It's not helping the kid either. It is condemning the kid to follow a very twisted way of thinking/acting.

Also, prevent Dick to find a true family and keep him living with an adult bachelor is no guidance either. Robin can think he's quitting his childhood, but everybody's else obligation (Bruce's one included) is to help the kid to find a normal/healthy life. Robin is the exact opposite of that.

Because Dick reflects Batman is why Batman shouldn't and wouldn't use the kid as a extension of himself, whether Dick wants it or not.

Bruce Wayne is an inherently obsessive person. He can convince himself that this sort of thing is indeed the "right thing to do" or at least is the best necessary path even if it blatantly isn't. That gives Robin A) a flawed premise, B) a troublesome relationship with his mentor, and C) a very interesting character to explore. I say do it.

[S_H_F_4839]

I personally think that they should change the mask, have it cover his head, similar to the old cyclops mask, but have the eyes be like goggles so he can see out, I mean if batman is going to put on the headpiece to protect his head in fights, why would he let this kid go out without some kind of protection over his head. I mean, I like the character of robin, but the costume is flawed if you want to use him in a realistic sense, and I know some will say its impossible to use him in a realistic sense, but I think it could be done, maybe have the mask part be like a sweater hood that comes up, but the goggles are not attached to it.

[El Payaso]

Bruce Wayne is an inherently obsessive person. He can convince himself that this sort of thing is indeed the "right thing to do" or at least is the best necessary path even if it blatantly isn't. That gives Robin A) a flawed premise, B) a troublesome relationship with his mentor, and C) a very interesting character to explore. I say do it.

Well, it makes Bruce Wayne a corrupter for a starter. Then we could assume he's really after training more than one kid (if he thinks it's the right thing to do, why limit to one? he needs as much allies as possible).

This makes Batman anything but a hero, more like a sexual obssessive. That could be interesting yes, but dunno if for the wrong reasons.

I still fail how an entire society would allow a womanizer bachelor to take a poor orphan kid and bring him home. Of course all Gotham wills ee a lonely Batman, then Bruce "adopts" Dick, then suddenly there's a Robin next to the bat, but no one will put two and two together.

[Ronny Shade]

Well, it makes Bruce Wayne a corrupter for a starter. Then we could assume he's really after training more than one kid (if he thinks it's the right thing to do, why limit to one? he needs as much allies as possible).

This makes Batman anything but a hero, more like a sexual obssessive. That could be interesting yes, but dunno if for the wrong reasons.

I still fail how an entire society would allow a womanizer bachelor to take a poor orphan kid and bring him home. Of course all Gotham wills ee a lonely Batman, then Bruce "adopts" Dick, then suddenly there's a Robin next to the bat, but no one will put two and two together.
First of all, it's not sexual. Never has been.

Second of all, isn't everything Batman does for the wrong reasons? I mean, a healthy way of doing it would be to donate money and help clean out the Gotham PD of all the crooked cops. He lives for vengeance that he can never take. He assaults people on a nightly basis.

3, Batman is a creature of the shadows. Nobody ever sees him. The people who do are scared out of their wits and don't know what's going on. Someone like Gordon might peice it together, but he's not gonna tell anyone. Robin would have to be nearly just as invisible.

[El Payaso]

First of all, it's not sexual. Never has been.

No? I don't wanna make a list of every time people laugh at Batman and Robin undisclosed relationship.

Second of all, isn't everything Batman does for the wrong reasons? I mean, a healthy way of doing it would be to donate money and help clean out the Gotham PD of all the crooked cops. He lives for vengeance that he can never take. He assaults people on a nightly basis.

Then it's the wrong ways but not the wrong reasons (justice).

3, Batman is a creature of the shadows. Nobody ever sees him. The people who do are scared out of their wits and don't know what's going on. Someone like Gordon might peice it together, but he's not gonna tell anyone.

And THAT's why Robin isn't wanted or needed.

One, because it would ruin Batman invisibility.
Two, because Batman have help anough in Gordon.

Robin would have to be nearly just as invisible.

With yellow and red and a little mask that destroy the theory of the 'animalistic creature'?

[Ronny Shade]

No? I don't wanna make a list of every time people laugh at Batman and Robin undisclosed relationship.
I get pissed every time.


Then it's the wrong ways but not the wrong reasons (justice).

Good point. Still relevant.


And THAT's why Robin isn't wanted or needed.

One, because it would ruin Batman invisibility.
Two, because Batman have help anough in Gordon.
It never hurts to have another pair of eyes. And good luck getting a not-so-impressionable, not-so-angst-ridden adult to help out with something like that.


With yellow and red and a little mask that destroy the theory of the 'animalistic creature'?
Never said it wasn't problematic. That's certainly possible.

[The Infernal]

I would like to see Robin introduced in this version of the movieverse but I think I read that Nolan has no interest at all in his character. I think it's a shame but it should be that way for a number of reasons.

1. It is probably too soon to introduce him. Right now Bruce is still finding his feet and the next couple of movies should be him on his own, introducing Robin brings a new dynamic and takes away that Batman and shows us the mentor side of Batman.

2. Bruce Wayne is too young in my opinion. I think they would have to jump significantly forward in the timeline to an older Batman to introduce him. That isn't to say that in a couple of sequels they couldn't introduct Dick Grayson and then introduce Robin a film later.

3. Batman already has The Joker and other classic villains to face, then you have to involve a whole bunch of other characters just to give progress to Robin's story.

Though as I said I would like to see how they could introduce Robin and how he would look. Though I've also thought that it would be cool to see Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman in the same movie as a sort of precursor to a JLA movie.

Though if he were introduce I'm betting that it may involve removing a lot of the colouring that people identify as Robin.

[Ronny Shade]

I would like to see Robin introduced in this version of the movieverse but I think I read that Nolan has no interest at all in his character. I think it's a shame but it should be that way for a number of reasons.

1. It is probably too soon to introduce him. Right now Bruce is still finding his feet and the next couple of movies should be him on his own, introducing Robin brings a new dynamic and takes away that Batman and shows us the mentor side of Batman.

2. Bruce Wayne is too young in my opinion. I think they would have to jump significantly forward in the timeline to an older Batman to introduce him. That isn't to say that in a couple of sequels they couldn't introduct Dick Grayson and then introduce Robin a film later.

3. Batman already has The Joker and other classic villains to face, then you have to involve a whole bunch of other characters just to give progress to Robin's story.

Though as I said I would like to see how they could introduce Robin and how he would look. Though I've also thought that it would be cool to see Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman in the same movie as a sort of precursor to a JLA movie.

Though if he were introduce I'm betting that it may involve removing a lot of the colouring that people identify as Robin.

I agree with pretty much everything you just said Robin should not be in the sencond film. The earliest we should see the character MAYBE at the end of part 3. If it is true that Nolan is quitting after 3 films, another director might be willing to bring in Robin.

[El Payaso]

1. It is probably too soon to introduce him. Right now Bruce is still finding his feet and the next couple of movies should be him on his own, introducing Robin brings a new dynamic and takes away that Batman and shows us the mentor side of Batman.

Robin in the fourth movie would make this the greatest trilogy.

Though if he were introduce I'm betting that it may involve removing a lot of the colouring that people identify as Robin.

Wise desicion.:up:

[Keyser Sushi]

Guidance as in training an underage boy to put his life under risk every night? I don't think any 16 y.o. kid needs that as a guidance or as a picnic day for that matter. It's not helping the kid either. It is condemning the kid to follow a very twisted way of thinking/acting.

You don't listen well, do you? Is there a problem with your reading comprehension skills? I'm going to try and explain this as clearly as I can, but I make no guarantee that you're intelligent enough to understand it. That part is beyond my control.

Suppose, just for a second, that Dick Grayson, teenage acrobat, is orphaned by a killer. Suppose, further, that the circus life is all Dick has ever known. He has friends there, and it's rough life, it involves a lot of travel and a lot of hard work, and he has never had a real home outside of a train car or a truck or bus or whatever they use these days. His family are acrobats. He has already been putting his life on the line every day for as long as he has been physically able to perform on the trapeze.

When his parents are gone, his usefulness to the circus is gone as well. His friends care for him and maybe he tags along with them for a while but he has no real job in the circus any longer.

Now I need you to consider. Dick is not a legal resident of ANY city. He lives on the road. He is a carnie, basically a drifter, and he is a teenager.

In case you sprung, fully grown and in armor from your father's forehead, allow me to explain to you what it is like to be a teenage boy. You are moody. You are, sometimes, a git, and for no reason other than you woke up feeling that way that day. It's a hormonal thing. It happens.

Furthermore, in case you have never experienced the death of a loved one, let me explain to you that it is usually accompanied by a bit of anger and helplessness. And because Dick was present when it happened, he is also going to feel some survivor's guilt.

Now then. As we have established, Dick is a carnie. Therefore, he is used to having to solve his own problems. He's angry at the guy who killed his parents? No problem, the solution is to go kill the guy. He feels helpless for the first time in his life? The solution is to go do something proactive, like, let's say, hunt down his parents' killer. He feels survivor's guilt? Risking his life to avenge his parents deaths would seem to address this concern as well. Dick is going to go out into the night and try to find his parents' murderer. And he isn't going to need Batman's help to do it.

Hell, at this point he doesn't even KNOW Batman.

Now, there is no social services person coming for Dick, because he is not a legal resident of anyplace. There is nobody looking to adopt this kid. And then Bruce Wayne shows up and offers to give him a home. I think Dick is going to resist this, but he's not an adult and the people at the Circus are going to think that Bruce can give Dick a more normal life than they can.

Dick just wants to avenge his parents' deaths. And Bruce... Bruce wants to protect Dick. Bruce wants to save him. Not to make him into his sidekick. Batman works alone. Bruce wants to PROTECT THE KID.

But he can't stop Dick from trying to find his parents' murderer. He just can't. It would be a full-time job and Bruce already ha a full-time job wearing a cape. He wants to protect the innocent and among them is Dick, but he can't protect Dick AND protect everybody else at the same time. And Dick doesn't want protection. Dick is not helpless, and he is not content to stay home or go to school or do any of those things.

Bruce knows the anger that drives Dick. He wants to take that anger away from Dick, but he can't, and Dick is actually SAFER if he is where Batman can keep an eye on him; Dick is SAFER if he has been taught Keysi Fighting Method; Dick is SAFER if he has body armor and tools. Because make no mistake about it: Dick is GOING TO SEEK VENGEANCE regardless of whether Bruce helps him or not. Bruce's guidance could be the difference between a dead child and a living one. (Bruce's guidance being the force that keeps him alive, of course).

So, it IS helping him. Because without Bruce's training, Dick is going to get himself killed. And there's NOT A DAMN THING ANYBODY CAN DO ABOUT THAT.

Also, prevent Dick to find a true family and keep him living with an adult bachelor is no guidance either. Robin can think he's quitting his childhood, but everybody's else obligation (Bruce's one included) is to help the kid to find a normal/healthy life. Robin is the exact opposite of that.

Spare me. Dick never HAD a normal life. He had a happy life with the circus, but it sure as hell wasn't NORMAL. That's kind of the point, isn't it? Dick never had a normal life. He didn't grow up in suburbia playing stickball with Billy and Tim. He grew up shoveling elephant dung and listening to drunken old clowns telling dirty jokes. He grew up with bearded ladies and triple-breasted whores, he grew up a sort of star in his own little world, learning the family trade and learning to do it right so that he would not die attempting it.

Being Robin sure as hell is not healthy or normal. But for Dick it's the better of his options once his parents have been killed. And if you don't see that, then you are, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart, a fool. Life doesn't fit in a box. Not everybody meets your textbook definition of "normal." Welcome to the world. It's WEIRD here.

Because Dick reflects Batman is why Batman shouldn't and wouldn't use the kid as a extension of himself, whether Dick wants it or not.

I disagree. If you think of Batman as the Burtonized self-loathing obsessive personality, then I can understand how you arrive at that conclusion. But the Batman I know is a hero. He puts his life on the line to save innocent people. Policemen, firefighters, soldiers, Marines, and sailors do it every day. And it was their choice, too. They may not have chosen the war they fight, but they chose to be the ones who fight it.

That's what heroes do; they put aside their own safety to ensure the safety of others. A certain Jew famously did exactly that two-thousand years ago when he allowed himself to be executed by the Roman Empire as an example to Jewish radicals in Israel. Funny how that worked out.

If Robin chose to be a warrior, Batman can't make him take back that choice. And the world needs heroes. A properly trained soldier is always preferable, and less a danger to himself, than one who has no idea what he is doing.

You can moralize all you want. But you'll still be wrong.

[Ming]

Secrectly, when I lie in bed after a hard day of classes and enduring over-grown high-school girls gabbering on and on about crap, I smile. Only one thing brings this grin to my face and I love it dearly. You want to know what it is? Listen, I'll tell you:

Robin will never be in the Batman movies that Christopher Nolan directs.

[StorminNorman]

Very well stated keyser - it would be very similar to Dark Victory's introduction of Robin.

[El Payaso]

You don't listen well, do you? Is there a problem with your reading comprehension skills? I'm going to try and explain this as clearly as I can, but I make no guarantee that you're intelligent enough to understand it. That part is beyond my control.

Ok, we have had a nice talking wiothout idiot boys trying to project themselves.

[Katsuro]

Secrectly, when I lie in bed after a hard day of classes and enduring over-grown high-school girls gabbering on and on about crap, I smile. Only one thing brings this grin to my face and I love it dearly. You want to know what it is? Listen, I'll tell you:

Robin will never be in the Batman movies that Christopher Nolan directs.

You know, this is something that really gets to me every time. People just love to put words into Chris Nolan's mouth. I cant remember him saying half the crap that people quote him on about Robin. What I remember hearing is that at this point in Batman's career, it's too early to introduce him, and by the time the story advances to where Robin could be introduced, he doens't think he'll be involved anymore. This isn't to say he refuses to do Robin, or that he'll quit as soon as they do Robin. It simply means that he only plans to do Batman films for a short while, and that he'll probably be done with his films before it's time to bring in Robin. I mean, you cant expect the guy to do comic book adaptations for very long, can you? The guy's gonna want to go off and direct his own films soon, and that's acceptable (Prestige and The Exec sound like interesting films).

So I'm just saying, you probably are right that Robin wont ever be in a Nolan film, but when i hear people say "Nolan said he hates Robin and that he'd rather die than make a movie with him!", I just get a little upset.

[Leto Atrides]

I'm not sure on the timetable for the films, but I think Dick could be around as a subplot. Introduce him, and indicate Bruce is beginning to train him. In later films, he could be around, helping Bats but usually on his own patrols. It's not as if Robin has to follow Bats around all of the time. He could be in the background, and help on occasion. If I'm not mistaken (while its Tim and not Dick) Robin as currently written is fairly independent.

[Ming]

You know, this is something that really gets to me every time. People just love to put words into Chris Nolan's mouth. I cant remember him saying half the crap that people quote him on about Robin. What I remember hearing is that at this point in Batman's career, it's too early to introduce him, and by the time the story advances to where Robin could be introduced, he doens't think he'll be involved anymore. This isn't to say he refuses to do Robin, or that he'll quit as soon as they do Robin. It simply means that he only plans to do Batman films for a short while, and that he'll probably be done with his films before it's time to bring in Robin. I mean, you cant expect the guy to do comic book adaptations for very long, can you? The guy's gonna want to go off and direct his own films soon, and that's acceptable (Prestige and The Exec sound like interesting films).

So I'm just saying, you probably are right that Robin wont ever be in a Nolan film, but when i hear people say "Nolan said he hates Robin and that he'd rather die than make a movie with him!", I just get a little upset.

Ming-hater.

[StorminNorman]

Ok, we have had a nice talking wiothout idiot boys trying to project themselves.

Congrats, you managed not to respond to his actual post. :up: :up:

[Keyser Sushi]

Congrats, you managed not to respond to his actual post. :up: :up:

Yep, I noticed that too. I guess he doesn't have what it takes. :o


Secrectly, when I lie in bed after a hard day of classes and enduring over-grown high-school girls gabbering on and on about crap, I smile. Only one thing brings this grin to my face and I love it dearly. You want to know what it is? Listen, I'll tell you:

Robin will never be in the Batman movies that Christopher Nolan directs.


See, you're probably right.

The funny part is that it doesn't bother me. I prefer Batman to work alone. But people who think Robin can't be done seriously are wrong, so I like to prove them wrong whenever I can. Funny how there are three sides to every argumet. :D

[El Payaso]

Congrats, you managed not to respond to his actual post. :up: :up:

Congrats? There wasn't anything new/worthy to respond.

[Keyser Sushi]

Congrats? There wasn't anything new/worthy to respond.

You wish that was true. In actuality, I proved you wrong. :o

[El Payaso]

Yes. Insulting a repeating yourself constitute a proof.

Your prize:

http://www.mattszabo.com/archives/Batman-Robin-Gay-thumb.jpg

[StorminNorman]

Congrats? There wasn't anything new/worthy to respond.

There wasn't? Wow, those last 18 paragraphs must not come up on your computer. Either that or you chose not to see'em.

[Keyser Sushi]

Yes. Insulting a repeating yourself constitute a proof.

Your prize:

http://www.mattszabo.com/archives/Batman-Robin-Gay-thumb.jpg

Oh, very clever! A gay joke! Nobody's ever done that before! Your wit is truly staggering and original. How am I ever going to compete with such a clever intellect? :rolleyes:

I actually never insulted you, nor did I repeat myself more than was necessary to make my point to you, and had you actually read my post, you would know that. However, you did not. Which has proven me more right than you can ever know.

[El Payaso]

There wasn't? Wow, those last 18 paragraphs must not come up on your computer. Either that or you chose not to see'em.
You kidding? I had a big fight against falling asleep. Good lord I saw that.

[El Payaso]

Oh, very clever! A gay joke! Nobody's ever done that before! Your wit is truly staggering and original. How am I ever going to compete with such a clever intellect? :rolleyes:

Oh, very clever! A Robin happy fan! Nobody's ever done that before! Your wit is truly staggering and original. How am I ever going to compete with such a clever intellect? :rolleyes:

I actually never insulted you, nor did I repeat myself more than was necessary to make my point to you, and had you actually read my post, you would know that. However, you did not. Which has proven me more right than you can ever know.

You really liked your prize :up:

[StorminNorman]

You kidding? I had a big fight against falling asleep. Good lord I saw that.

Late night last night? Sorry that Keyser couldn't rap his thoughts in two sentences, but I am also sorry that you lack the capacity to read more than a few lines either.:( :o

[Keyser Sushi]

Oh, very clever! A Robin happy fan! Nobody's ever done that before! Your wit is truly staggering and original. How am I ever going to compete with such a clever intellect? :rolleyes:

You think I'm a Robin fan? Damn, you really didn't read my post at all.

You really liked your prize :up:

Yeah, it was funny. So are you a homophobe?

[El Payaso]

Late night last night? Sorry that Keyser couldn't rap his thoughts in two sentences, but I am also sorry that you lack the capacity to read more than a few lines either.
You'll get over it sooner than you think.

You think I'm a Robin fan? Damn, you really didn't read my post at all.
Robin Happy fan.
Yeah, it was funny. So are you a homophobe?

I know it's funny, but not homophobe.

[StorminNorman]

Oh, very clever! A Robin happy fan! Nobody's ever done that before! Your wit is truly staggering and original. How am I ever going to compete with such a clever intellect? :rolleyes:



You really liked your prize :up:

Is Keyser a Robin fan? I don't know, however just because he came up with an explination as to how the character could fit in the current mythos does not mean he is neccessary a "Robin fan". I do not wish to see Robin for sometime, however I agree with Keyser that he can be brought into the franchise under the right circumstances.

[Keyser Sushi]

Late night last night? Sorry that Keyser couldn't rap his thoughts in two sentences, but I am also sorry that you lack the capacity to read more than a few lines either.:( :o

He's doing it to torque me, of course. He thinks I wrote those 18 paragraphs for him. In reality I wrote them for everybody else. I suspected he didn't have the mental capacity to process it, and I said so in the first paragraph. Now the more he posts the more right I am, and the more ridiculous he looks.

Trolls...

[El Payaso]

Then we all agree.

[Keyser Sushi]

Robin Happy fan.

Meaning what? :confused:

I know it's funny, but not homophobe.

If you're not a homophobe then why are you afraid of gay people?

[El Payaso]

He's doing it to torque me, of course. He thinks I wrote those 18 paragraphs for him. In reality I wrote them for everybody else.

I'm sorry I broke your heart.

Ok, so let's say you wrote it for everybody but me.

Now the more he posts the more right I am, and the more ridiculous he looks.

Whoa, this is like the Hulk? The angrier the stronger? You're so Rick Jones sometimes.

Trolls...

900+ posts trolling dude.

[El Payaso]

If you're not a homophobe then why are you afraid of gay people?

Christ, I'm replying every post of your, Rick. Now, shut thy mouth and hold my hand. Everything's gonna be just ok.

[Keyser Sushi]

I'm sorry I broke your heart.

:confused:

Ok, so let's say you wrote it for everybody but me.

I did. Plenty of people will read that post. Some will agree with it. Some will not. I like an audience.

Whoa, this is like the Hulk? The angrier the stronger? You're so Rick Jones sometimes.

LOL. No, it's not like the Hulk. In the first paragraph of my big post, I challenged you to take the time and brainpower to read what I wrote and respond to it intelligently, to try and show why you think I'm wrong. You failed that challenge miserably. You're proud of it, but that doesn't change things.

900+ trolling dude.

Nothing to be proud of, dude. My post count is higher than yours and not a one of them is trolling.

You never answered my question about your homophobia, btw. Maybe you just forgot, big boy.

[StorminNorman]

So......how about those Red Sox?

[Ming]

Christ, I'm replying every post of your, Rick. Now, shut thy mouth and hold my hand. Everything's gonna be just ok.

...and they both get into their Mustang Cobra and drive off into the sunset, to a place where they can both live free from the fear and hate that society has for their forbidden love.

[Keyser Sushi]

...and they both get into their Mustang Cobra and drive off into the sunset, to a place where they can both live free from the fear and hate that society has for their forbidden love.

LOL!!! Yeah, it's a love/hate relationship. We love to hate each other. Think it'll last?


So......how about those Red Sox?


LOL... I dunno but the Orioles are kicking some ass tonight. Of course it's only Tampa Bay they're beating, but still... :up:

[El Payaso]

I did. Plenty of people will read that post. Some will agree with it. Some will not. I like an audience.

And in time you'll learn I'm your best audience.

LOL. No, it's not like the Hulk. In the first paragraph of my big post, I challenged you to take the time and brainpower to read what I wrote and respond to it intelligently, to try and show why you think I'm wrong.

So... it was for me after all?

You foxy sidekick...

You failed that challenge miserably. You're proud of it, but that doesn't change things.

My only pride is not doing what some nancy tell me to do. Which infuriates you, but I can't go down in such way, sorry.

Nothing to be proud of, dude. My post count is higher than yours and not a one of them is trolling.

You mean, excluding this fancy other people's intellect insulting you started?

You never answered my question about your homophobia, btw. Maybe you just forgot, big boy.

I told you my only pride is not doing what some sidekick queen tells me to do.

[El Payaso]

...and they both get into their Mustang Cobra and drive off into the sunset, to a place where they can both live free from the fear and hate that society has for their forbidden love.

Now, YOU are a true gentleman...

[StorminNorman]

I think El Payaso has a thing for Keyser, but maybe its just me.

[El Payaso]

I think El Payaso has a thing for Keyser, but maybe its just me.

You think I have no hope then...
I mean... ARE YOU A HOMOPHOBE HAHHAH GAY JOKE HOW ORIGINAL WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OF GAYS???

I tell you this before Keyser does, he's so ruthless this time of the month.

[Keyser Sushi]

And in time you'll learn I'm your best audience.

Why, because I allow you to draw me into these pointless debates?

So... it was for me after all?

Why do you think that? Didn't I just say I was pretty sure you weren't going to read it? The challenge was to you, but it wasn't for your benefit.

You foxy sidekick...

Yeah, whatever. I still want to know what your hangup is about gay people... you make light of them as though it's supposed to trump all arguments. It suggests an irrational fear or condescension.

My only pride is not doing what some nancy tell me to do. Which infuriates you, but I can't go down in such way, sorry.

See, there you go again. Using phrases like "nancy-boy" suggests homophobia. And when have I been infuriated by you? Do you think because I'm responding to you, that I'm upset at you? I'm not. You're not worth getting mad at. I'm just trying to learn about you.

You mean, excluding this fancy Robin-Anti Robin little war you started?

I started this war? LOL. That's funny. I'm pretty sure this debate is older than this thread, and I didn't even start this thread. I made a series of intelligent posts. Intelligent posts are meant to promote intelligent discussion. That isn't trolling.

You turned it ugly by responding to my post with a single comment designed to make me mad. Place blame wherever you like but I didn't do anything wrong.

I told you my only pride is not doing what some sidekick queen tells me to do.

So who exactly is this "queen" or "nancy" that you keep referring to? I don't understand what you're talking about. And who told you to do anything? What did I miss?

[StorminNorman]

You think I have no hope then...
I mean... ARE YOU A HOMOPHOBE HAHHAH GAY JOKE HOW ORIGINAL WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OF GAYS???


No, its not a joke.

[Keyser Sushi]

No, its not a joke.

Yeah, you're coming on to me pretty strong here, El. There's no use denying it.

[El Payaso]

Why, because I allow you to draw me into these pointless debates?

Step by step...

Why do you think that? Didn't I just say I was pretty sure you weren't going to read it? The challenge was to you, but it wasn't for your benefit.

Yes but you said you challenged me to reply.

God you're so hesitant.

Yeah, whatever. I still want to know what your hangup is about gay people... you make light of them as though it's supposed to trump all arguments. It suggests an irrational fear or condescension.

Tell me more, Freud. I'm just trying to establish a common language.

You love to insult, I bet you're equally good being insulted.

See, there you go again. Using phrases like "nancy-boy" suggests homophobia. And when have I been infuriated by you? Do you think because I'm responding to you, that I'm upset at you? I'm not. You're not worth getting mad at. I'm just trying to learn about you.

Just keep answering sugarcube. You know you can't quit. You are so furious and trying to hold the poop so to look relaxed.

I myself can't quit. A troll disguised as a happy forum kid is something I cannot resist.

I started this war? LOL. That's funny. I'm pretty sure this debate is older than this thread, and I didn't even start this thread. I made a series of intelligent posts. Intelligent posts are meant to promote intelligent discussion. That isn't trolling.

Insulting other people is intelligence.

See how am I trying oh so hard to find a common language? I'm learning how to communicate with you.

You turned it ugly by responding to my post with a single comment designed to make me mad. Place blame wherever you like but I didn't do anything wrong.

No. You did great. Very intelligent...

(How am I doing so far?)

So who exactly is this "queen" or "nancy" that you keep referring to? I don't understand what you're talking about. And who told you to do anything?

Well, I don't want to point out who was talking about limited intellectual skills first... but...

What did I miss?

Brain delivery.

And that explains the whole deal.

[El Payaso]

No, its not a joke.

I kinda suspected when I didn't laugh.

[StorminNorman]

Atleast we understand each other El, atleast we understand.

[Keyser Sushi]

Step by step...

I'm just playing along because I'm studying you. You're strange.


Yes but you said you challenged me to reply.

God you're so hesitant.


I did challenge you to reply. But I also was pretty sure that you wouldn't, except in the cursory and belligerent fashion that you chose. If you think really hard, you'll see how that works out. I never insulted you. I challenged you to prove your intelligence. You responded by trolling, which proved your intelligence, but not in a good way. Which makes me look better, and you, not so much. And the rest of what I wrote is good, and some people will read it. You are lending me credibility. Thanks. :up:

Tell me more, Freud. I'm just trying to establish a common language.

You love to insult, I bet you're equally good being insulted.

I never insulted you. I was very careful about that. I never called you a fool or accused you of limited reading comprehension skills. I gave you the chance to show how smart you are. You didn't. You insulted yourself.

Just keep answering sugarcube. You know you can't quit. You are so furious and trying to hold the poop so to look relaxed.

LOL. You're so wrong it's kinda cute. You know nothing about me. If you did, you'd know I enjoy this. And I'm not mad at you. Not even slightly.

I myself can't quit. A troll disguised as a happy forum kid is something I cannot resist.

I am neither a troll, nor a kid. Do you think I'm a kid? Is that what this is about? I guess if I was a kid I would be angry at you. But I'm not a kid. I'm 29 years old. I work for a living. I have plenty of things worth getting upset about, and you are not one of them. You're a source of amusement, for now. You're also extremely homphobic, which I find amusing, because you're trying so hard not to be. When I accuse you of it, you can't even respond to it, that's how homophobic you are.

Are you gay? It's okay if you are. You don't have to be afraid. I bet you are, and I bet it terrifies you. I feel sorry for you. :(

Insulting other people is intelligence.

No, being smarter than you is intelligence. You insulting yourself is not.

See how am I trying oh so hard to find a common language? I'm learning how to communicate with you.

If so you're doing a terrible job. Keep trying, though.

Well, I don't want to point out who was talking about limited intellectual skills first... but...

Yes, but I never said you HAD limited intellectual skills. I asked you if you did. There's a difference. You didn't have to prove me right.

Brain delivery.

And that explains the whole deal.

Now that, however, is a direct insult. I didn't do that to you. Not even close. Be that as it may, I'm not offended. :)

[StorminNorman]

Keyser is the new Mr. Wizard.

[The Fallen]

Whoa. This thread went way off the tracks....

[Keyser Sushi]

Whoa. This thread went way off the tracks....

Yeah, it did. And all because I tried to say that Robin COULD be done well... if someone wanted to make the effort...

[StorminNorman]

I find it Ironic that the one thread you (Keyser) and I try to keep in subject, has once again mutated - into this.

[Keyser Sushi]

I find it Ironic that the one thread you (Keyser) and I try to keep in subject, has once again mutated - into this.

Yeah, that's a good point. Sad. :(

[El Payaso]

I'm just playing along because I'm studying you. You're strange.

Go on. Nothing can stop science.

I did challenge you to reply. But I also was pretty sure that you wouldn't,

If you can fool yourself, you can fool the world. Well thought.

If you think really hard, you'll see how that works out. I never insulted you.

Yes you did.

I challenged you to prove your intelligence.

OMI, Rick jones himself challenged me. Should I be excited or shocked?

You responded by trolling, which proved your intelligence, but not in a good way. Which makes me look better, and you, not so much. And the rest of what I wrote is good, and some people will read it. You are lending me credibility. Thanks. :up:

Oh yes and people will realize the truth, and there shall not be woes anymore and the world will be happy forever.

I never insulted you. I was very careful about that. I never called you a fool or accused you of limited reading comprehension skills. I gave you the chance to show how smart you are. You didn't. You insulted yourself.

You gave me the chance. Omi, it was an honour not an insult, oh the blindness of mine...

LOL. You're so wrong it's kinda cute. You know nothing about me.

And you know nothing about me.

And I'm not mad at you. Not even slightly.

Sure and this is... like the 5th time you say it?

I am neither a troll, nor a kid. Do you think I'm a kid? Is that what this is about? I guess if I was a kid I would be angry at you.

Six times now?

But I'm not a kid. I'm 29 years old. I work for a living. I have plenty of things worth getting upset about,

You forgot your phone number and anathomic measures.

and you are not one of them.

Oh yes. I am.

You're a source of amusement, for now. You're also extremely homphobic, which I find amusing, because you're trying so hard not to be. When I accuse you of it, you can't even respond to it, that's how homophobic you are.

Die, you gay!

Are you gay? It's okay if you are. You don't have to be afraid. I bet you are, and I bet it terrifies you. I feel sorry for you. :(

You never go to Las Vegas or you will lose even the bra.

Btw, you say I am gay and terrified. Are you homophobic?

No, being smarter than you is intelligence. You insulting yourself is not.

Let's say... lying as you do is cool.

If so you're doing a terrible job. Keep trying, though.

In fact, I am infuriating you better than I expected.

Yes, but I never said you HAD limited intellectual skills. I asked you if you did. There's a difference. You didn't have to prove me right.

Disguised trollism.

I told you this long time ago.

Now that, however, is a direct insult. I didn't do that to you. Not even close. Be that as it may, I'm not offended. :)

And don't forget you're not angry either.

[Keyser Sushi]

Go on. Nothing can stop science.

LOL. That was actually funny. :up:

If you can fool yourself, you can fool the world. Well thought.

:confused:

Yes you did.

Actually, I didn't. Go back and read it. I never insulted you.

Oh yes and people will realize the truth, and there shall not be woes anymore and the world will be happy forever.

Actually, that was never the point. I like debate. I LOVE debate. I don't mind that people have different viewpoints from me. I just like to be able to discuss them intelligently. Take, for instance, The Guard. He's one of my favorite people on this board. We have disagreed on a lot of things, but we have always debated intelligently, and we respect each other.

To me that's what this place is. It's a place to discuss our different viewpoints and debate them, if we want.

You gave me the chance. Omi, it was an honour not an insult, oh the blindness of mine...

It was neither an honor nor an insult. It was a challenge.

And you know nothing about me.

Maybe, but I'm learning. You are gay, aren't you? It's okay, man, you don't have to be afraid to admit it.

Sure and this is... like the 5th time you say it?

Maybe because it's true?

You forgot your phone number and anathomic measures.

So, you are gay?

Oh yes. I am.

LOL. No, trust me, you're not. You're just spicing up a dull Wednesday night for me. :up:

Die, you gay!

LOL.

Btw, you say I am gay and terrified. Are you homophobic?

No, I'm being compassionate. Your latent homophobia could be construed as the behavior of a closet homosexual. Of course, that's just a guess. I could be wrong.

But according to you I'm a fool. Smarter than me shouldn't be intelligence... Oh, I forgot... your brain...

LOL. I never called you a fool. But even if I did, an intelligent person would certainly be smarter than a fool, correct? Granted, that's not the only criteria, but it's one of them.

Let's say... lying as you do is cool.

So now I'm a liar, am I? Interesting.

In fact, I am infuriating you better than I expected.

Okay. :)


Disguised trollism.

I told you this long time ago.


You did, but you're still wrong.

And don't forget you're not angry either.

Sorry, but I'm not. I know you're trying, but you're failing. You just aren't worth getting angry at. Sorry. :)

[DeFett]

I saw C.Lee in here before, thought it may get closed.

[Keyser Sushi]

Let C.Lee do what he will. I trust his judgment. :up:

[El Payaso]

LOL. That was actually funny. :up:

We know.

:confused:

Exactly. Then fool the world.

Actually, I didn't. Go back and read it. I never insulted you.

Yes you did.

Actually, that was never the point. I like debate. I LOVE debate. I don't mind that people have different viewpoints from me. I just like to be able to discuss them intelligently. Take, for instance, The Guard. He's one of my favorite people on this board. We have disagreed on a lot of things, but we have always debated intelligently, and we respect each other.

The Guard start intelligent debate starting by questioning his opponents' intellect and therefore insulting people? You might have learnt it from him.

It was neither an honor nor an insult. It was a challenge.

Mental challenge of course.

Maybe, but I'm learning. You are gay, aren't you? It's okay, man, you don't have to be afraid to admit it.

I did long time ago. Wake up, brainy sidekick.

Maybe because it's true?

Your self-convincing therapy is much more possible.

LOL. No, trust me, you're not. You're just spicing up a dull Wednesday night for me. :up:

LOL. I so am.

No, I'm being compassionate. Your latent homophobia could be construed as the behavior of a closet homosexual. Of course, that's just a guess. I could be wrong.

Why not? You are almost all the time.

So now I'm a liar, am I? Interesting.

No, you're not a liar now. You have been for pages now.

You did, but you're still wrong.

We troll can recognize each other.

Sorry, but I'm not. I know you're trying, but you're failing. You just aren't worth getting angry at. Sorry. :)

Then stop being angry.

[Ronny Shade]

Jesus Christ.


and by Jesus Christ, I mean....Damn.

[StorminNorman]

Ronny must of seen the GrammarBat Signal!

[Ronny Shade]

Actually, I got done watching Ghost Hunters and then I did some homework and decided to check the Bat-boards, which have been slow the past few days and BOOM. I get this.

Grammar Signal didn't light up, but I bet the TrollBat signal did. Do we have a TrollBatman? He must be so good he's invisible. Or maybe he just sucks.

[El Payaso]

I'll tell you what signal won't be on for a long long time...

Robin-Signal.

[Keyser Sushi]

We know.

Is that the royal "we"? ;)

Exactly. Then fool the world.

Whatever. You stopped making sense a while ago.


Yes you did.


No, I seriously didn't.

The Guard start intelligent debate starting by questioning his opponents' intellect and therefore insulting people? You might have learnt it from him.

No, The Guard doesn't insult people, either. He's usually a little more polite than I am, too.

Mental challenge of course.

Oh, double-meaning. Yay.

I did long time ago. Ware up, brainy.

You keep avoiding discussing it, actually. Like you're afraid of it.

LOL. I so am.

Yes, though I'm getting kind of tired of it. You're running out of interesting things to say.

Why not? You are almost all the time.

In your opinion, perhaps.

No, you're not a liar now. You have been for pages now.

How am I a liar? I haven't said anything that isn't true, to my knowledge.

We troll can recognize each other.

Evidently not.

Then stop being angry.

I can't stop being angry, because I never started being angry. I am very, very calm, chico. Very, very calm. Calmer than you, I think. You're getting kinda squirrely.

[StorminNorman]

Actually, I got done watching Ghost Hunters and then I did some homework and decided to check the Bat-boards, which have been slow the past few days and BOOM. I get this.

Grammar Signal didn't light up, but I bet the TrollBat signal did. Do we have a TrollBatman? He must be so good he's invisible. Or maybe he just sucks.

Damn, we dont have a GrammarGordon - thus no GrammarBatSignal.

How was Ghost Hunters? and how was the Homework?

[Ronny Shade]

You called him squirrelly.:) Tell me, Keys, how long does it take to write one of these 11=part posts

[Keyser Sushi]

I'll tell you what signal won't be on for a long long time...

Robin-Signal.

LOL. :)

Was there ever a Robin-signal? I don't think there was.

But even hypothetically speaking... you're right about that. It won't be.

And the movies will be better for it, I think...

[Ronny Shade]

Damn, we dont have a GrammarGordon - thus no GrammarBatSignal.
That explains it

How was Ghost Hunters? and how was the Homework?
A little dull this week and I have to pitch a movie about Space Sharks tomorrow...ultra-fun!

[Keyser Sushi]

You called him squirrelly.:) Tell me, Keys, how long does it take to write one of these 11=part posts

Hehehe... what's up, Ronny? It doesn't take long, at least not when it's devolved to this point. An 11-part post to The Guard takes an hour and a half. An 11-part post to Ellie takes about a minute.

[Ronny Shade]

Was there ever a Robin-signal? I don't think there was.

Sure there was! B&R remember?

[Ronny Shade]

Hehehe... what's up, Ronny? It doesn't take long, at least not when it's devolved to this point. An 11-part post to The Guard takes an hour and a half. An 11-part post to Ellie takes about a minute.
Hah, "Ellie." Classic. :D

[Keyser Sushi]

Sure there was! B&R remember?

Dammit! Until you said that, I'd forgotten that movie existed! :mad:

Hehehe... okay, well, so there was a Robin-signal in B&R... but that movie was garbage... it doesn't count!

[El Payaso]

Hehehe... what's up, Ronny? It doesn't take long, at least not when it's devolved to this point. An 11-part post to The Guard takes an hour and a half. An 11-part post to Ellie takes about a minute.

Precocious.

[StorminNorman]

Sure there was! B&R remember?

Good times..good times.

[Keyser Sushi]

Precocious.

Expialidocio-oh-oh-ohhh... y-yeah yeah yeah...

[El Payaso]

Is that the royal "we"? ;)

It is.

Whatever. You stopped making sense a while ago.

You never started.

No, I seriously didn't.

Yes you did Brad.

No, The Guard doesn't insult people, either. He's usually a little more polite than I am, too. [quote=Keyser Sushi]

So he's your Batman.

[quote=Keyser Sushi]Oh, double-meaning. Yay.

You got that. Yay.

You keep avoiding discussing it, actually. Like you're afraid of it.

Like i don't say or do what some sidekick say.

Yes, though I'm getting kind of tired of it. You're running out of interesting things to say.

Yes I am. But you never ahd any interesting thing to say for a starter.

In your opinion, perhaps.

No, in Paris Hilton's.

How am I a liar? I haven't said anything that isn't true, to my knowledge.

You said you never insulted:
You don't listen well, do you? Is there a problem with your reading comprehension skills? I'm going to try and explain this as clearly as I can, but I make no guarantee that you're intelligent enough to understand it. That part is beyond my control.

Insulter. Troll. Liar.

I can't stop being angry, because I never started being angry. I am very, very calm, chico. Very, very calm. Calmer than you, I think. You're getting kinda squirrely.

Maybe because you're the insulter here.

[Keyser Sushi]

It is.

Figures.

You never started.

Coming from you, that's a compliment. :)

Yes you did Brad.

No, The Guard doesn't insult people, either. He's usually a little more polite than I am, too.

So he's your Batman.

Hehehe... no, I'm not his sidekick at all. We disagree on almost everything. If he's Batman, I'm Two-Face. Or vice versa. We're much the same but we don't agree on many things.

You got that. Yay.

For someone of my mental fortitude it was blindingly obvious.

Like i don't say or do what some sidekick say.

No, but you're clearly delusional if you have an imaginary sidekick who tries to give you orders... :confused:

Yes I am. But you never ahd any interesting thing to say for a starter.

I did, but only to people who read.

No, in Paris Hilton's.

Well that's a relief. :)


You said you never insulted:

Originally Posted by Keyser Sushi
You don't listen well, do you? Is there a problem with your reading comprehension skills? I'm going to try and explain this as clearly as I can, but I make no guarantee that you're intelligent enough to understand it. That part is beyond my control.

Insulter. Troll. Liar.


There's no insult there. I questioned your intelligence, but I didn't insult you. There's a difference.

Maybe because you're the insulter here.

Whatever you say, Ellie. Whatever you say...

[Ronny Shade]

So he's your Batman.

That'd be me, actually. :batman:

[Keyser Sushi]

That'd be me, actually. :batman:

Holy mistaken indentity, GrammarBatman!

[StorminNorman]

Two Shots in the Head? Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

It is completely unrelated - but it is the coolest line I got :(

[Ronny Shade]

How about "I feel like a sofa, Arthur."??

[StorminNorman]

that would work, that would work very well actually.

[Keyser Sushi]

that would work, that would work very well actually.

Guide references are ALWAYS good. :up:

[StorminNorman]

The fact remains that I am a perfectly safe penguin and my friend is rapidly running out of limbs!

[Keyser Sushi]

Two to the power of fifty thousand to one against and falling.

[Ronny Shade]

ummm......"42"??

I'm coming up terribly dry.

[StorminNorman]

It feels a bit like being drunk.

Whats wrong with being drunk?

Ask a glass of water.

[Ronny Shade]

Hi and welcome to the "Design a Cowl for Robin" contest which is now...you guessed it...the Quote Douglas Adams contest!

[StorminNorman]

only we could of managed it. I am quite proud.

[Ronny Shade]

Let's go for a self-congratulatory drink.

[Keyser Sushi]

Horse and Groom?

[StorminNorman]

3 Pints please.

[Keyser Sushi]

And quickly, please, the world's about to end.

[StorminNorman]

Shouldn't we put paper bags over our heads or something?

[Keyser Sushi]

If you like, yes.

[Ronny Shade]

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/5355/paperbagfan3uf.jpg

[StorminNorman]

LOL Ronny.

Would it help?

[Ronny Shade]

nope.

[Keyser Sushi]

No. Excuse me, I've got to go.

[El Payaso]

Coming from you, that's a compliment. :)

You can't waste any of those.

Hehehe... no, I'm not his sidekick at all. We disagree on almost everything. If he's Batman, I'm Two-Face. Or vice versa. We're much the same but we don't agree on many things.

You wish. Maybe Two-Face Kid. "Hole, Two-Face I insulted someone. HEY! I never insulted that guy".

Two minds about everything, no mind in the skull.


For someone of my mental fortitude it was blindingly obvious.

Yes, I mean the basics cover the basics.

No, but you're clearly delusional if you have an imaginary sidekick who tries to give you orders... :confused:

You? An ilusion?

I did, but only to people who read.

Are you implying that people who don't read you, don't know what you wrote? If Seinfeld is unemployed sometime I can mail him your observations.

There's no insult there. I questioned your intelligence, but I didn't insult you. There's a difference.

Not in the way you said it.

To start an intelligent (even a dumb) debate with that it is insulting.

Maybe not having a brain makes you feel, naturally, there is nothing to insult, but that's your particular case.

Whatever you say, Ellie. Whatever you say...

Of course.

[Ronny Shade]

I find it funny how El Payaso is so insistent that Keyser is 14 years old.

[El Payaso]

Like he insists that I am gay.

Different fixations.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Hmmm.......compelling.

[Ronny Shade]

CBB, what happened to the Lane thread!? It's gone!

[Keyser Sushi]

I find it funny how El Payaso is so insistent that Keyser is 14 years old.

Well, everything he says is designed to make me angry or defensive. Drives him crazy that it doesn't work. Unfortunately, what was amusing last night is now old and boring. I'm ready to move on.

So yes, CBB, what happened to the Lane thread?

[Ronny Shade]

So yes, CBB, what happened to the Lane thread?
zer00 told me. Shadowboxing sang to the mods and got it killed :mad::mad:

[Keyser Sushi]

zer00 told me. Shadowboxing sang to the mods and got it killed :mad::mad:

Wow. That's a shame.

[Mr. Socko]

Robin doesn't wear a cowl...

[Keyser Sushi]

Robin doesn't wear a cowl...

Tru dat.

Well, except in Kingdom Come...

[Ronny Shade]

Tru dat.

Well, except in Kingdom Come...

Oh, god if Robin looks like that I'm gonna.....well....watch the movie anyway and say "Robin looked dumb"

[Keyser Sushi]

Oh, god if Robin looks like that I'm gonna.....well....watch the movie anyway and say "Robin looked dumb"

I know. Every time I see Kingdom Come Robin I wonder where Zorak, Moltar and Brak are...

[El Payaso]

Well, everything he says is designed to make me angry or defensive. Drives him crazy that it doesn't work. Unfortunately, what was amusing last night is now old and boring. I'm ready to move on.

You don't listen well, do you? Is there a problem with your reading comprehension skills? I'm going to try and explain this as clearly as I can, but I make no guarantee that you're intelligent enough to understand it. That part is beyond my control.

You can't be that cynical. I mean you can but not without a reply.

You're the one insulting, trying to make other poster angry and you got it back.

[StorminNorman]

I know. Every time I see Kingdom Come Robin I wonder where Zorak, Moltar and Brak are...

I can't think of Zorak and Moltar with out thinking of Space Ghost Coast to Coast, which makes me think of Shark and Bear - Natures Best Friends :D

[Keyser Sushi]

I can't think of Zorak and Moltar with out thinking of Space Ghost Coast to Coast, which makes me think of Shark and Bear - Natures Best Friends :D

LOL. :)

I'm a Brak man, myself.

Where's my pineapple? I'm goin' to my room!

[StorminNorman]

Ah...good times..good times. Been watchin Space Ghost and the gang since before even Adult Swim.

[Keyser Sushi]

Me too. I used to come home from work back in '97, around 11 or 11:30pm and there was nothing on but the Cartoon Network. Did you ever watch 2 Stupid Dogs? I barely remember that show, but I know I used to love it...

[StorminNorman]

Yes, I knew it had to be good because my Mom didnt want me to watch it. She though that 2 Stupid Dogs and Angry Beavers would turn my mind to goo or something. She is probably right of course. :(

[Tracer Bullett]

I was following this Keyser/Payaso thing, and all I can say right now is damn, Angry Beavers was awesome, huh? Cartoons back in the day rocked; today's cartoons all suck. What a shame. I love the AB episode with the Beaver Fever song... even funnier as an adult, what with the sexualness and all.

[StorminNorman]

Angry Beavers was very, unique - however all of it in a good way, a very good way. As you said todays cartoons suck - with the exception of Brandy and Mr. Whiskers. I can't explain for the lfie of me WHY I like it, I just do.

[Keyser Sushi]

Yes, I knew it had to be good because my Mom didnt want me to watch it. She though that 2 Stupid Dogs and Angry Beavers would turn my mind to goo or something. She is probably right of course. :(

LOL!!! Well, by the time I rolled in from work at 11:30 my brain was probably mush anyway... I probably coudln't have handled anything more challenging than 2 Stupid Dogs until about lunchtime the following day. :)

[Keyser Sushi]

I was following this Keyser/Payaso thing, and all I can say right now is damn, Angry Beavers was awesome, huh? Cartoons back in the day rocked; today's cartoons all suck. What a shame. I love the AB episode with the Beaver Fever song... even funnier as an adult, what with the sexualness and all.

It's amazing how many cartoons work out that way.

Ever watch Animaniacs as an adult? I watched that show every afternoon when I was in college. The buried sexual innuendo and the copious puns... Wakko's Morrie Amsterdam by way of Harpo Marx... that show was beautiful. :up:

[StorminNorman]

Thats what I attribute my fascination with Power Rangers with. After school, my brain couldnt handle any form of deep entertainment.

[Keyser Sushi]

Thats what I attribute my fascination with Power Rangers with. After school, my brain couldnt handle any form of deep entertainment.

Yeah, when I was in elementary school I'd come home and watch He-Man and the Masters of the Universe. Try watching the original MOTU now, it's embarrassingly bad. Must have been that same kind of phenomenon...

Although I know the real reason you were watching Power Rangers was for the Pink Ranger. :D

[Ronny Shade]

I was a Heavy Duty Dubbas man for a long time. Fridays rocked. MiB, Batman/Superman adventures? That's the stuff:up:

[Keyser Sushi]

I was a Heavy Duty Dubbas man for a long time. Fridays rocked. MiB, Batman/Superman adventures? That's the stuff:up:

Damn, I forgot about Heavy Duty Dubbas! That was at the end of my college career, I was watching those at school and then when I first got back from college and started looking for a new job. Once I started work again it was a 7am-4pm shift with a 45 minute commute each way, and I never got to see my Dubbas again. :( Well, until now, that they're coming out on DVD. I've got all four B:TAS volumes and the two Supes volumes that are out. I love that stuff, too.

What about The Tick, Earthworm Jim and Freakazoid!? Those were on around that era, too. I loved Freakazoid so much.

What does that say about me? My favorite cartoon characters are Wakko Warner, Adult Swim Brak, and Freakazoid! :)

[Ronny Shade]

Damn, I forgot about Heavy Duty Dubbas! That was at the end of my college career, I was watching those at school and then when I first got back from college and started looking for a new job. Once I started work again it was a 7am-4pm shift with a 45 minute commute each way, and I never got to see my Dubbas again. :( Well, until now, that they're coming out on DVD. I've got all four B:TAS volumes and the two Supes volumes that are out. I love that stuff, too.
Ach! I envy you and your money that you use to purchase these magical gifts from above.

What about The Tick, Earthworm Jim and Freakazoid!? Those were on around that era, too. I loved Freakazoid so much.
Also awesome.

What does that say about me? My favorite cartoon characters are Wakko Warner, Adult Swim Brak, and Freakazoid! :)
It says you're awesome.

[zer00]

Wow. That's a shame.

We will march on.

[Ronny Shade]

We need a damn UBBS lounge thread.

[Keyser Sushi]

Ach! I envy you and your money that you use to purchase these magical gifts from above.

Oh, I don't have that much money, I just spend it frivolously. :up: :) :(

Also awesome.

Always.

It says you're awesome.

Faboooo!


We will march on.


Righteous. The fact that that thread existed as long as it did was a victory for the intelligent and sarcastic everywhere.

[zer00]

We need a damn UBBS lounge thread.

*lights cigarette* We had one once...

[StorminNorman]

Love the Alan Cumming avatar Zer00 - one of the ones I have seen on the site.

[zer00]

It tis one of my greatest creations.

That and my chicken noodle soup.

Ever taste my chicken noodle soup?

No?

Stop talking to me now. You have not slurped the loins of Buddah.

[StorminNorman]

I'm sorry, my master :(

[Ronny Shade]

"the loins of buddah"

sorry, I just had to say that myself to fully grasp it.

[zer00]

Don't say it 3 times though. Or he'll appear and rip out your torso.

[Two-Face]

Torso? what is that? :D

[Mr. Socko]

the loins of buddah
the loins of buddah
the loins of buddah

OH NO MY TORSOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

[Ronny Shade]

Hurry! Get Socko to the hospital where we have the comatose body of his arch villain! Then he can take his torso and masquerade as him to catch his cohorts and stop a terrorist attack! We'll make a movie out of it called Tors/Off!

[StorminNorman]

Hurry! Get Socko to the hospital where we have the comatose body of his arch villain! Then he can take his torso and masquerade as him to catch his cohorts and stop a terrorist attack! We'll make a movie out of it called Tors/Off!

Sounds great...but I am too lazy :( :o

[Keyser Sushi]

Wow, I got away for a couple hours and someone says "loins of Buddha."

Amazing.

They also misspelt Buddha. Holy Siddhartha, GrammarBatman!

[StorminNorman]

Keyser Sushi > Burt Ward

[Ronny Shade]

Keyser Sushi > Burt Ward
Words to live by.

I see you already do.

[Keyser Sushi]

I am greater than Burt Ward, but Burt Ward looks better in tights.

Well, not so much now...

[StorminNorman]

Words to live by.

I see you already do.

Yes, PLUS there colored!

Maroon and Black = Cool Robin:up:
Red and Bright Green = Camp Robin:down

[StorminNorman]

I am greater than Burt Ward, but Burt Ward looks better in tights.

Well, not so much now...

http://www.robintheboywonder.com/robinsplashwithlogo.jpg

HAWTNESS!!!!:up: :up:

[Mr. Socko]

http://www.robintheboywonder.com/robinsplashwithlogo.jpg

HAWTNESS!!!!:up: :up:

This is how Robin should be in Batman 2. :up:

[HalloweenRes]

You know, I was reading on the boards and had heard that Jason Todd came back after being thought be killed by the joker. Is this true? I knew he was killed by the Joker (along with his mother) but I didn't realize he had come back. If so, that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. Why did they bring him back?? Hmmm.. If this is true, I have to see this comic.

[Ronny Shade]

You know, I was reading on the boards and had heard that Jason Todd came back after being thought be killed by the joker. Is this true? I knew he was killed by the Joker (along with his mother) but I didn't realize he had come back. If so, that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. Why did they bring him back?? Hmmm.. If this is true, I have to see this comic.
It's true.

And it isn't bad. He's a villain/vigilante named "The Red Hood" now.

But pretend you didn't read that and it will be cooler.

[Mr. Socko]

The Red Hood has always sucked, how the heck can he see in that thing.

[StorminNorman]

Its Magic....

[Mr. Socko]

Real MAGIC!?!?!:eek:

[trustyside-kick]

Okay if this thread is about new cowl for Robin then what is it really doing in this forum section? Isn't this specific forum section for the 2nd Nolan Bat film? Robin will not be in the 2nd one...too early for him to make an appearance I think. Also I do not recall rumors of him being in it at all.

[StorminNorman]

Read the thread from start to finish - then you will understand why...

[Katsuro]

Read the thread from start to finish - then you will understand why...

The real answer is that no one visits the Batman Begins Sequels forum.

[Keyser Sushi]

The real answer is that no one visits the Batman Begins Sequels forum.

LOL!!!

[Ronny Shade]

The real answer is that no one visits the Batman Begins Sequels forum.
Nobody. Ever.

[Ronny Shade]

Ach! "MOVED!?"

Might as well say goodbye to this thread.

[The Last Meatbag]

My Robin sketch, I basically took the design from an incredible description of Robin's character by Keyser Sushi

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/Spork2691/Art%20and%20Manips/RobinBeginscostumefing.jpg

My ideal Robin suit would have the classic domino mask, Id like it to take up about half the face size-wise, also I think he should have Batman's chest armor but cutt of at the arms to reflect the old comic design. I also gave him a collar to make it more like the one from the comics, I guess it would be there to protect neck trauma or something...........also I would like him to have batmans rubber gloves that he wore with his clasps in the first one, maybe they could still even have the electricity bits on them for robin to pacify an enemy. He'd have cargo/army-ish pants with a bat-belt, and the same boots as Batman

comments would be appreciated

[GL1]

Robin does not need a Cowl. Keeping Robin dark, as he is in the comics, is cool... keeping Robin as a brilliant detective and accomplished martial artist who has trained longer than most of this world's soldiers is a great idea... giving him a high tech goggle-set that is both practical, logical and does not change Robin's basic look, his silhoutte is a great idea...

Trying to change Robin into Batman is a BAD idea... he's not Batman, he's an apprentice... a spy... an errand boy... NOT a mini-Batman... the word sidekick hasn't applied to Robin in years... Robin needs to NOT have a cowl...

[Dark Sentinel]

when i was working on a (Tim Drake) Robin storyline for a Nolan Batman film, i thought that Robin's "mask" (if it can be called that) were actually a pair of high-tech military goggles that Lucius Fox and the Applied Sciences Division of Wayne Enterprises was developing, and it had all sorts of settings (body heat, infrared, nightvision, etc.) and i thought that was a cool idea.

[darwinwins]

all the designs with robin wearing goggles of some sort should be discarded right now -- the point of a mask for these movies is to cover their identities but also allowing them to emote with the eyes. remember the green goblin's main problem was that the helmet prevented dafoe from emoting through his eyes and face.

[Kritish]

Drawn by Super Scar and colored by Crazy Monkey:



I like that suit, and the coloring of that mask, but I prefer the attitude of this one, also by Super Scar:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/ripper/robin.jpg

And the mask on this one, but with the red lenses:



Again, all credit to Super Scar for these. View the rest of his wonderful artwork in this (http://superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163298) thread.

Notice Robin's homo erotic position.

[El Payaso]

Notice Robin's homo erotic position.

Checked.

And the way he's looking at you, thinking 'Rawr.'

[StorminNorman]

Notice Robin's homo erotic position.

One sees what one wants to see.:down