Superman's Posey Talks Kitty

[Showtime]

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=35285

Superman's Posey Talks Kitty

Parker Posey, who will star opposite Kevin Spacey in Bryan Singer's upcoming Superman Returns, told SCI FI Wire her role as Lex Luthor's girlfriend builds on a similar character in Richard Donner's original Superman movie. At a party for her latest film, Adam & Steve, Posey said in an interview that she gets to wear stylish clothes and carry a Pomeranian pup through most of her Superman scenes as Kitty Kowalski, girlfriend to Spacey's Lex Luthor.

The role is similar to the part of Eve Teschmacher in Donner's movie. "I'm in the Valerie Perrine part from the original movie," Posey said. "She is ... the girlfriend of Lex, and of course, he wants to take over the world."

But the character is less evil than one would expect, Posey said. "He wants to destroy the world, and she doesn't want to," she said. "She [has] much more conscience about the world around her. She is into pretty things and money, but Kitty has a heart. And, yes, she has a change of heart. ... She is torn between materialism and love, but Kitty kind of wakes up. It's cool." Superman Returns opens June 30. —Mike Szymanski

[Scooter]

Oh great, another Teschmacher...

****.

[ReTrO JuNkIe 42]

Yeah i wonder if she'll be taking some kryptonite off of supes in this one ?

[Man-E-Toys]

i was alway worried about her character. she sounds really campy.

[Shamik]

"...kind of wakes up..."

I hope that doesn't mean she takes the kryptonite knife out of Superman's back so he can save her mother in Hackensack.

[dark_b]

i can not belive that singer is copying everything from the S:TM.

you all have to agree that this strange that he is using everything from the first movie.

[Showtime]

I knew panic would set it. We don't know what she is going to end up doing. I think she will be more of a challenge to Lex than Eve T. was.

We all know that she won't be saving Superman in this one.

[dark_b]

I knew panic would set it. We don't know what she is going to end up doing. I think she will be more of a challenge to Lex than Eve T. was.

We all know that she won't be saving Superman in this one.there is no panic. it is only interesting that she mentioned teschmacher :o

[Scooter]

It's not interesting at all. It's completely expected at this point.

Won't be long now 'till we see Kal Penn wearing an Otisville shirt...

[Showtime]

^You said he was using everything from the first movie.

[Showtime]

It's not interesting at all. It's completely expected at this point.

Won't be long now 'till we see Kal Penn wearing an Otisville shirt...

Uh huh. Her role is going to be far different than Mrs. T., she is a challenge and sometimes an obstacle to Lex.

[dark_b]

^You said he was using everything from the first movie.well at some point hes doing this. he is using almost everytinhg that happened in the first movie for SR.

[Scooter]

Uh huh. Her role is going to be far different than Mrs. T., she is a challenge and sometimes an obstacle to Lex.

You mean, like saving Superman from Lex's attempt to kill him?

[Showtime]

How do you figure that?

[Shamik]

http://www.blueharvest.net/images/album/polar-panic.jpg

[Showtime]

You mean, like saving Superman from Lex's attempt to kill him?

Somebody else is going to be saving Superman this time around, not Lex's gf.

[Scooter]

Then how, exactly, will she be a "challenge" to Luthor?

[Showtime]

Then how, exactly, will she be a "challenge" to Luthor?

There are many ways she could challenge Luthor, why does it have to be saving Superman?

[Scooter]

It doesn't have to be. I'm asking you what else she'll be doing.

[NotFadeAway]

This will be by far the stupidest chracter in the movie......not only campy, but Parker Posey is ugly as hell and a god awful actress who should not be in a film of this magnitude!!!

While Im geussing he is also campy ( S:TM retread ), atleast Kal Penn is entertaining.

[Scooter]

I like Posey, I just don't dig the Luthor's GF character, as it's shaping up to be.

[Showtime]

I meant her character is more of a challenge towards Lex both emotionally and intellectually then Mrs T. was.

[NotFadeAway]

right....can't wait to see how fleshed out that story arc get!!!

[Scooter]

It would be really great if Luthor strangles her to death in a fit of rage. Would seriously diminish the camp factor...

[NotFadeAway]

That scene SHOULD happen, but it won't!!!

[Kane]

but Parker Posey is ugly as hell

Ill give you that.

[dark_b]

ugly as hell?
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..
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ugly as hell? are we talking about the same girl? show me a pic where she looks ugly.

[Scooter]

I don't think she's ugly at all...

[Showtime]

As I have said before, I think Parker could have made a great Lois.

I am still wondering if she tried out for Lous and ended up with Parker.

[Scooter]

I would have much prefered her as Lois...

[Showtime]

I think that Kate's acting ability will shine through in this part. I think from the photos we have seen, that she has a nice classic look as Lois.

[Scooter]

I think she looks like a 12 year old boy, but hey, whatever floats your boat, right?

[Showtime]

It's not really a matter of "what floats my boat" but she does have a nice classic look that fits into this Superman.

Who is your choice. You're the director.

[Scooter]

Hmm, tough call...

Off the top of my head...Rachel McAdams?

[Showtime]

Good choice. Good actress, nice look to her, and she can play Lois.

The problem is that I think that Singer had a certain look in mind. Two of the final contenders were Keri Russel and Kate Bosworth. They both have a similar look and body type. I think Singer was looking for this. His reasons? I don't know.

[Scooter]

If were talking about someone in with a similar look to Kate Bosworth, then I'd suggest Jennifer Morrison. She's basically a more more mature looking version of Bosworth, but with a woman's body.

[Showtime]

If were talking about someone in with a similar look to Kate Bosworth, then I'd suggest Jennifer Morrison. She's basically a more more mature looking version of Bosworth, but with a woman's body.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/dreamworks_skg/surviving_christmas/jennifer_morrison/survivepred3.jpg

Wow she actually does look like Bosworth. I don't think she even looks as good as Bosworth though? Is she in House?

[Scooter]

Yep, and she's much more attractive than Bosworth, IMO.

[Showtime]

If you compare that shot with the Bosworth shot at the after awards party, she isn't packing much more up top. A little more meat on her I guess though.

[Scooter]

Yeah, except Bosworth's were about 10 feet apart...

:)

[Showtime]

Heh Heh..Jennifer's look to have about 7 feet in there. Not much more.

[Scooter]

Oh no, there's quite a difference...

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6108/47641kboscars23jt.jpg

[Metropolis_Man]

Hmm, I dont know if I really care much for the character. I'd rather see Lex without a love intrest, or either with his eye on Lois. But thats just me, I'm sure it will work out fine in the movie.

[Evelisse]

Meh, I dont like Lex in a romance, pretty much figure he'd use her for one thing and it wouldnt include much talking (unless he liked it that way:D ), pretty much when he's done with her he just lets her inhabit his nearby space.

[the norminator]

I think she looks like a 12 year old boy, but hey, whatever floats your boat, right?

thats funny:) i think she is cute
so what do you think of Paris Hillton??

[Scooter]

thats funny:) i think she is cute
so what do you think of Paris Hillton??

Paris Hilton? Kind of out of the blue with that one...

:confused:

[Kane]

Hmm, tough call...

Off the top of my head...Rachel McAdams?

Errg Rachel McAdams.... :down If you think Kate looks like a boy, Rachel looks like a man.

http://www.agirlsworld.com/rachel/hangin-with/pix/rachelm2.jpg

Her forehead like 2 Bosworths put together. I think we're extremly fortunate we got Kate, it could have been alot worse.

[Kane]

Wow she actually does look like Bosworth. I don't think she even looks as good as Bosworth though? Is she in House?

I like Jen Morrison, shes hot I agree...but she and Bosworth both have that young cheerleader-ish look, so really it wouldnt make much of a difference between them. I guess it all comes down to skill and chemsitry with Brandon, which I assume Kates supposed to have.

[Octoberist]

Regarding Kitty, why Singer why?

Let's say she's a more serious character than Ms. T...if you got the power over the script, why chose a character like this? Why not include 'Mercy'? Seriously, I hope that Kitty won't be that bad, but I feel she's not needed.

In the orignal movies, I felt that Otis and Ms. T took away from Luthor's menace.

[Scooter]

Errg Rachel McAdams.... :down If you think Kate looks like a boy, Rachel looks like a man.

http://www.agirlsworld.com/rachel/hangin-with/pix/rachelm2.jpg

Her forehead like 2 Bosworths put together. I think we're extremly fortunate we got Kate, it could have been alot worse.

I was hesitant to put forth my suggestion for the role, because I knew some fanboy would stop at nothing to tear it apart.

Regarding the Bos, yeah, it could have been worse, though not a lot. A lot is a term I reserve for how much better it could have been.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i262/purplelullaby84/post-8-1143114696.jpg

Looks like one of those starving kids in the Christian Children's Fund commercials...

:down

[Kane]

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i262/purplelullaby84/post-8-1143114696.jpg

Looks like one of those starving kids in the Christian Children's Fund commercials...

:down

Looks more like a photobucket image link gone wrong.

[Kane]

Regarding Kitty, why Singer why?

Let's say she's a more serious character than Ms. T...if you got the power over the script, why chose a character like this? Why not include 'Mercy'? Seriously, I hope that Kitty won't be that bad, but I feel she's not needed.

In the orignal movies, I felt that Otis and Ms. T took away from Luthor's menace.

Kitty is just a tool, just someone he uses for himself and for public appearances and such, I dont think he actually cares about her.

Shes just an accessory, nothing major and really nothing more. I would have prefered her to be more Marilyn Monroe-like personally.

And I dont like Mercy, Lex seems to already have a personal bodyguard anyways.

[Scooter]

Looks more like a photobucket image link gone wrong.

Ah, well, you're better off for not seeing it. If you want though, just try to imagine a slightly taller Starvin' Marvin with blonde hair.

:up:

[NotFadeAway]

Parker Posey is f-ing foul.......ugly eyes, rat faced, high cheek bones, grating voice. If you liked Margot Kidder, who is also butt ass ugly with smokers voice, then u would have enjoyed Parker as Lois!!!!!

My number one choice was Rachel McAdams as well.

[Kane]

I guess I'll let the people decide. Though I dont think Kate Bosworth is as popular as she is right now in Hollywood and worldwide because of her 'talent'......shes obviously doing something right.

http://z.about.com/d/beauty/1/0/U/G/Katebosworth.jpg

http://www.gifmania.co.za/South-Park/Starvin-Marvin/mehr64.gif

[scifiwolf]

I'm gonna back Showtime on this. I don't think she'll be a carbon copy of Tessmacher, but a character in the same basic role. I don't worry about her humor being campy; Dan Harris and Michael Dougherty have demonstrated solid senses of humor, so I have faith in their ability to write wit in lieu of camp.

[explode7]

Kristen Dunst would have made a good lois too. What do you guys think?

[Kane]

No she wouldnt. Enough people already say she sucks as MJ.

[Milkman95]

Panic in Superman town, panic in Superman town!!!

Everybody relax, Kitty will be a better character than Mrs. T was. You guys actually think Singer would drop the ball and just copy a character?

She'll probably have flashes of resembling her, but that's about it.....

[scifiwolf]

^^Exactly

[explode7]

No she wouldnt. Enough people already say she sucks as MJ.

Yeah she sucks as MJ but she has that outgoing aspect about her that would make her the perfect Lois.

[ETHERSPIN]

if she is the jar jar of this film she better not survive for the sequel

[explode7]

Who's that u talking bout dude?

[Mentok]

*reads thread*

Jesus, you guys are a bunch of little girls :(

[\S/JcDc\S/]

What's ridiculous is, if there were no COMIC book type humor... People would be complaining the movie is trying to take itself to serious.

I look back at The Flash tv series or Lois and Clark... Some people call those shows campy, I call them good superhero adaptions. You can certainly go to far with camp as a whole, but it's not going to be a bad thing to have a good balance of humor. I think we'd get bored to tears if it took itself overly serious.

[Showtime]

I'm gonna back Showtime on this. I don't think she'll be a carbon copy of Tessmacher, but a character in the same basic role. I don't worry about her humor being campy; Dan Harris and Michael Dougherty have demonstrated solid senses of humor, so I have faith in their ability to write wit in lieu of camp.

:) :up:

[Showtime]

*reads thread*

Jesus, you guys are a bunch of little girls :(

Showtime excluded of course, SciWolf as well....Milkman...anybody I missed.

[Kane]

me :confused:

[Mentok]

Showtime excluded of course, SciWolf as well....Milkman...anybody I missed.


Yeah, you guys are totally men... just dont send the GAM mafia after me :( :D

[Showtime]

You'll have to talk to Micheal Corleone about that, he's in charge of that branch of our operation.

[scifiwolf]

Yeah, you guys are totally men... just dont send the GAM mafia after me :( :DNo GAM in my sig...

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I think Kitty should drive a race car for a living.

[Showtime]

No GAM in my sig...

You are protected, and of course if you want it, you are more than qualified.

:ghost:

[Showtime]

me :confused:

Of course you. A fellow GAM member!

[SuperDaniel]

I really cant help thinking about the fact that Singer is copying too much Superman the movie. And the fact that Lex Luthor is a wasted opportunity. We could`ve gotten somethings that are more in tune with the comics wich is the best version of Luthor, not that crap that was in the movies and pre-crisis. We could`ve gotten Luthor as a billionaire tycoon, instead we got a mob boss. We could`ve gotten Mercy and instead we got Ms Techmacher number 2. This part of the movie still worries me a lot.
Luthor and his gang in Superman Returns might be more realistic and more serious than Superman the movie but still not the version i`d love to see translated to the movies.

[Mentok]

I can see lex in jail at the end of the film...


"Ok seriously, next time NO WOMEN!"

[Showtime]

In my opinion Mercy doesn't belong on the big screen with Luthor. Makes him seem weak.

[Shamik]

I know this is Superman, but what do you think about Harley with Joker?

[Metropolis_Man]

In my opinion Mercy doesn't belong on the big screen with Luthor. Makes him seem weak.

I think I'll have to agree here. She was such a strong lady it'd make Luthor seem less evil or something?

[Pickle-El]

I think I'll have to agree here. She was such a strong lady it'd make Luthor seem less evil or something?

I would sorta make him look less intimidating.....standing behind a girl? Com'mon! ;)

[Metropolis_Man]

yeah, thats the word I was search for, lol. Less "intimidating". Luthor shouldn't have to stand behind a girl, hes Luthor.

[Kane]

Exactly. This is the best way to go. Im sure he'll be badass in this movie....and possibily sadistical...slightly insane.

[Metropolis_Man]

yeah, its going to be good. I think this will be the most evil lex we've seen yet.

[NotFadeAway]

All good points SpiderDaniel.....

Ive come to find alot of these people are pretty brainwashed into thinking that there is nothing to worry about. That is the source of my recent string of rude comments on this board. There is plenty to be concerned about. There will be NO middle ground with this film as well. It will either kick ass, or will be a re-hashed carbon copy of the Donner film. Would have been a safer bet to base this movie off of Superman: TAS or Birthright IMO!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mentok]

All good points SpiderDaniel.....

Ive come to find alot of these people are pretty brainwashed into thinking that there is nothing to worry about.

Thats just stupid. Most people on here are waiting to see the film before they complain about stupid crap like this.

Oh no! Luthor has a girlfriend.... shock horror... She turns out to be conflicted!.... She turns out to be more of a humanist than Lex! Run for the hills! The character must be campy!

There is plenty to be concerned about.

From your point of view. From mine there is only two things now that I am concerned about. I will however wait until I have seen the film and see how those two things play out before getting all upset.

There will be NO middle ground with this film as well. It will either kick ass, or will be a re-hashed carbon copy of the Donner film.

Thats as stupid as saying that people on here have been 'brainwashed'. There is always middleground. But i guess since your not one of the 'brainwashed people', you would see things more clearly :o

[Superman79]

MISS TESMACHER!!!

ok, but seriously...i want a real evil chick with Lex next time...I htink Mercy would be great

She wouldn't make LEx look weak at all, just a guy who doesn't like to get his hands dirty...she could be like Famke Jenssen's character from GOLDENEYE...a real psycho you know??

[Metropolis_Man]

Thats just stupid. Most people on here are waiting to see the film before they complain about stupid crap like this.

Oh no! Luthor has a girlfriend.... shock horror... She turns out to be conflicted!.... She turns out to be more of a humanist than Lex! Run for the hills! The character must be campy!



From your point of view. From mine there is only two things now that I am concerned about. I will however wait until I have seen the film and see how those two things play out before getting all upset.



Thats as stupid as saying that people on here have been 'brainwashed'. There is always middleground. But i guess since your not one of the 'brainwashed people', you would see things more clearly :o


Good comeback. :up: I'd like to say if I'm one of the "braindwashed" then I'm glad to be brainwashed. I'm giving this film a chance, who knows what it will be like until its released.

[NotFadeAway]

Exactly, I do see things more clearly, and it's not stupid to say that people on here are brainwashed.....most of you people are so used to crap like " Superman Lives " and " FlyBy " that you will defend every little thing about this new movie, including obvious re-hashes of campy characters such as Kitty. How can a character be named Kitty Kowolski and NOT be campy. How can Kal Penn have a role as a Luthor henchman and it NOT be campy. And don't come back at me with some " you have no idea what there doing " comment, all you have to do is open your ****ing eyes. But that might ruin your perfect fantasy.

And there is not middle ground with these types of films, ecspecially with Superman. But whatever!!!!!!!!Now come back at me and tell me how stupid I am again I can't wait.

[Kane]

I'll get back to you once the movie comes out and owns ur a$$.

[Mentok]

Exactly, I do see things more clearly, and it's not stupid to say that people on here are brainwashed.....most of you people are so used to crap like " Superman Lives " and " FlyBy " that you will defend every little thing about this new movie, including obvious re-hashes of campy characters such as Kitty.

ROFL... you just lost what little slice of credibility you may have had.

You are quickly entering TROLL teritory.

If you stopped being so high and mighty for a minute you would see that I didnt defend her or her character, rather said its far smarter to wait and see the actual film to complain about characters.


How can a character be named Kitty Kowolski and NOT be campy.

Its a film based on a comic book... naming characters will stick with the same old rules.

How can Kal Penn have a role as a Luthor henchman and it NOT be campy.

Kal is an ACTOR. I guess because you have only seen him in 'funny'roles that means he is stuck doing that for the rest of time?

And don't come back at me with some " you have no idea what there doing " comment, all you have to do is open your ****ing eyes. But that might ruin your perfect fantasy.

Well, you clearly dont know what they are doing... you were harping on about Luthor being campy. Read a freaking set report or two and you will see what his character is like in this film. Far from campy.

Perfect fantasy? please... I have questioned almost everything to do with this production from casting to costume design and from character development to scripting. You need to get your head out of TROLL LAND and and getr over the fact they are not making what YOU wanted.



And there is not middle ground with these types of films, ecspecially with Superman. But whatever!!!!!!!!Now come back at me and tell me how stupid I am again I can't wait.

I never said you were stupid :o I said your comments were. Big difference. There is always middle ground. There will be people who love this film, there will be people who hate it and there will be people who are stuck in the middle.

[Kane]

I dont see how Spacey can play completely Campy in the slightest....I mean if they wanted Hackman's campy Luthor...theres SOOO many better actors for it!


So its logical to assume we wont be getting Hackman's Lex.

[Mentok]

I dont see how Spacey can play completely Campy in the slightest....I mean if they wanted Hackman's campy Luthor...theres SOOO many better actors for it!


So its logical to assume we wont be getting Hackman's Lex.

Quint from ACIN has already seen a few big chunks of Spaceys Luthor... nothing he saw was near campy. In fact he said this this luthor "IS A ****ING BADASS".

[NotFadeAway]

And Van Wilder's assistant.....

[Kane]

Quint from ACIN has already seen a few big chunks of Spaceys Luthor... nothing he saw was near campy. In fact he said this this luthor "IS A ****ING BADASS".

The people who say the trailer at showest also said he was bordering on insane too (which I like)....sadistical the 'whos your daddy' type.

[Mentok]

The people who say the trailer at showest also said he was bordering on insane too (which I like)....sadistical the 'whos your daddy' type.

I didnt really want them going with Luthor like that, but I wont complain... insane Lex will kick ass :up:

[C. Lee]

Let's calm down in here guys....

[Metropolis_Man]

I didnt really want them going with Luthor like that, but I wont complain... insane Lex will kick ass :up:

Yeah, honestly, I wanted to see the billionaire lex that runs lexcorp, whos nice in the public eye, but crooked behind closed doors. I'm sure I'm going to enjoy this version much more than Hackmans though, definately. I'm looking forward to it.

[Mentok]

Atleast Lex is a billionaire this time round :)

[Metropolis_Man]

Atleast Lex is a billionaire this time round :)

yeah, hes gotta have some money stacked to create a new krypton on earth.

[MatchesMalone]

Well, I am not shocked in the slightest. Nor am I disappointed. Lex's interplay with Tessmacher and Otis in STM was one of the highlights of the film for me.

This is Superman. This isn't Batman or X-men or even angsty Spidey. Superman needs humor to work. It needs a sense of itself. One thing even Spidey was sorely missing was the humor. Peter's wisecracks were something I was greatly looking forward to, and I was disappointed in that regard.

Donner married the epic and the humor together in a perfect way. For those who want the completely serious, completely humorless take on Superman, I hope you will be disappointed. For Christ's sake, even STAS had Lex surrounded by idiots. Justice League had him surrounded by Grundy, Sapphire, etc, and the wisecracks were coming a mile a minute. Lex works best when he has a counterpoint for his darkness. I posit that he needs that juxtaposition to really shine. In STM, Lex's nonchalance and friendly attitude underscored his menace quite well.

[Superman79]

Well, I am not shocked in the slightest. Nor am I disappointed. Lex's interplay with Tessmacher and Otis in STM was one of the highlights of the film for me.

This is Superman. This isn't Batman or X-men or even angsty Spidey. Superman needs humor to work. It needs a sense of itself. One thing even Spidey was sorely missing was the humor. Peter's wisecracks were something I was greatly looking forward to, and I was disappointed in that regard.

Donner married the epic and the humor together in a perfect way. For those who want the completely serious, completely humorless take on Superman, I hope you will be disappointed. For Christ's sake, even STAS had Lex surrounded by idiots. Justice League had him surrounded by Grundy, Sapphire, etc, and the wisecracks were coming a mile a minute. Lex works best when he has a counterpoint for his darkness. I posit that he needs that juxtaposition to really shine. In STM, Lex's nonchalance and friendly attitude underscored his menace quite well.


Amen Matches...there needs ot be some humor in there, otherwise it won't work...

as to the earlier comment about Van Wilder's assistant...

(Said in an INdian accent) "I would very much like to be your assistant Mr. LEx Luthor sir." :D

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Well, I am not shocked in the slightest. Nor am I disappointed. Lex's interplay with Tessmacher and Otis in STM was one of the highlights of the film for me.

This is Superman. This isn't Batman or X-men or even angsty Spidey. Superman needs humor to work. It needs a sense of itself. One thing even Spidey was sorely missing was the humor. Peter's wisecracks were something I was greatly looking forward to, and I was disappointed in that regard.

Donner married the epic and the humor together in a perfect way. For those who want the completely serious, completely humorless take on Superman, I hope you will be disappointed. For Christ's sake, even STAS had Lex surrounded by idiots. Justice League had him surrounded by Grundy, Sapphire, etc, and the wisecracks were coming a mile a minute. Lex works best when he has a counterpoint for his darkness. I posit that he needs that juxtaposition to really shine. In STM, Lex's nonchalance and friendly attitude underscored his menace quite well.

Co-signed

[\S/JcDc\S/]

What's ridiculous is, if there were no COMIC book type humor... People would be complaining the movie is trying to take itself to serious.

I look back at The Flash tv series or Lois and Clark... Some people call those shows campy, I call them good superhero adaptions. You can certainly go to far with camp as a whole, but it's not going to be a bad thing to have a good balance of humor. I think we'd get bored to tears if it took itself overly serious.


I stand by this. :o

[The Sage]

I really cant help thinking about the fact that Singer is copying too much Superman the movie. And the fact that Lex Luthor is a wasted opportunity. We could`ve gotten somethings that are more in tune with the comics wich is the best version of Luthor, not that crap that was in the movies and pre-crisis. We could`ve gotten Luthor as a billionaire tycoon, instead we got a mob boss. We could`ve gotten Mercy and instead we got Ms Techmacher number 2. This part of the movie still worries me a lot.
Luthor and his gang in Superman Returns might be more realistic and more serious than Superman the movie but still not the version i`d love to see translated to the movies.

Contradict yourself I believe you have. You say comics has the best version of Luthor, then say pre-crisis is crap when pre-crisis is a comicbook era.

We could have gotten Luthor as a billionnaire tycoon, and chances are he would've ended up being considered a generic "Mr. Boss" villain like the Kingpin in Daredevil.

If you do the tycoon you have to mix the criminal mind/genius in to make Luthor unique. Although Spacey's Lex seems to be more towards the criminal mind than the tycoon mind, I think they've got the blend. I mean come on, the guys have said that Lex is a xenophobe. That's a straight post-crisis Lex Luthor definition of him.

[The Sage]

How can a character be named Kitty Kowolski and NOT be campy.

The same way a character called Doc Ock can make it on screen and not come across as campy, due to Alfred Molina's portrayal as a sinister mind-controlled psychopath. The same way a character called Hulk can work on film and not come across as campy due to the tone of the story. The same way a character called Batman can work on screen and not come across campy.

Need I say more?

[Metropolis_Man]

The same way a character called Doc Ock can make it on screen and not come across as campy, due to Alfred Molina's portrayal as a sinister mind-controlled psychopath. The same way a character called Hulk can work on film and not come across as campy due to the tone of the story. The same way a character called Batman can work on screen and not come across campy.

Need I say more?

I think you've said a mouthful and a half there. Very good work. :up:

[skruloos]

If you stopped being so high and mighty for a minute you would see that I didnt defend her or her character, rather said its far smarter to wait and see the actual film to complain about characters.
That would imply having to withhold judgment until one sees evidence and facts. Only "brainwashed" people do that.


Its a film based on a comic book... naming characters will stick with the same old rules.
What rules? I don't know of any rules like that. I mean, let's look at some comic characters. Lois Lane? Lori Lemaris? Lex Luthor? Bruce Banner? Peter Parker? Matt Murdock? I don't see a pattern there at all. :rolleyes:


Kal is an ACTOR. I guess because you have only seen him in 'funny'roles that means he is stuck doing that for the rest of time?
Kind of makes it inconvenient for people like Tom Hanks, Robin Williams, Jim Carrey, and Will Smith doesn't it?


I never said you were stupid :o I said your comments were. Big difference. There is always middle ground. There will be people who love this film, there will be people who hate it and there will be people who are stuck in the middle.
Sshh. You'll fracture the facade of the black and white world he lives in.

[Nightwing1977]

Yeah, you guys are totally men... just dont send the GAM mafia after me :( :D

What did you say?!?

*take a baseball bat & whack the back of Mentok's head*

Never, ever expose some people's secret publicy here if you know what good for you. :yellow: :joker:

And btw, I'm not worry right now about Kitty in SR. We have to wait & see the entire thing for ourself before we start being closed-minded, biting our nails, whining about it, etc.

[skruloos]

Well, I am not shocked in the slightest. Nor am I disappointed. Lex's interplay with Tessmacher and Otis in STM was one of the highlights of the film for me.

This is Superman. This isn't Batman or X-men or even angsty Spidey. Superman needs humor to work. It needs a sense of itself. One thing even Spidey was sorely missing was the humor. Peter's wisecracks were something I was greatly looking forward to, and I was disappointed in that regard.

Donner married the epic and the humor together in a perfect way. For those who want the completely serious, completely humorless take on Superman, I hope you will be disappointed. For Christ's sake, even STAS had Lex surrounded by idiots. Justice League had him surrounded by Grundy, Sapphire, etc, and the wisecracks were coming a mile a minute. Lex works best when he has a counterpoint for his darkness. I posit that he needs that juxtaposition to really shine. In STM, Lex's nonchalance and friendly attitude underscored his menace quite well.
I agree with all of the above points. I'm expecting cheesy from this movie. I always have. I liked that Spider-man wasn't afraid to be melodramatic and cheesy and I only wish there could have been more humor in them since Raimi decided to dwell a bit too much on Peter's angst. I thought it was fine though. It really made me care about Peter. I just wish that I could care about Spider-man the same way.

I hope that Singer learns from Raimi's mistake. I want everything that Spider-man did and turn it up to eleven. I want high action, a lot of cheesy humor, and good drama.

[David33]

Oh great, another Teschmacher...

****.

Yeah,Singer is pathetic,he is just copying step by step Donners Superman.
Another stupid,campy character as Teschmacher was.:down .

[dark_b]

Yeah,Singer is pathetic,he is just copying step by step Donners Superman.
Another stupid,campy character as Teschmacher was.:down .i agree with this words. nothin more.

[Retroman]

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=35285

Superman's Posey Talks Kitty

Parker Posey, who will star opposite Kevin Spacey in Bryan Singer's upcoming Superman Returns, told SCI FI Wire her role as Lex Luthor's girlfriend builds on a similar character in Richard Donner's original Superman movie. At a party for her latest film, Adam & Steve, Posey said in an interview that she gets to wear stylish clothes and carry a Pomeranian pup through most of her Superman scenes as Kitty Kowalski, girlfriend to Spacey's Lex Luthor.

The role is similar to the part of Eve Teschmacher in Donner's movie. "I'm in the Valerie Perrine part from the original movie," Posey said. "She is ... the girlfriend of Lex, and of course, he wants to take over the world."

But the character is less evil than one would expect, Posey said. "He wants to destroy the world, and she doesn't want to," she said. "She [has] much more conscience about the world around her. She is into pretty things and money, but Kitty has a heart. And, yes, she has a change of heart. ... She is torn between materialism and love, but Kitty kind of wakes up. It's cool." Superman Returns opens June 30. —Mike Szymanski
Thanks Showtime. I must say thats one of the most creative titles i've seen in while.:p

I'm slightly (just ever so slught worried) about this. Parker Posey has gone from possibly being Mercy Graves (when we had no idea who she was) to reincarnation of Miss Teschmacher.

[scifiwolf]

You are protected, and of course if you want it, you are more than qualified.

:ghost:Thanks...I appreciate it, but I think of myself more as a god among insects...

;) :D

[MatchesMalone]

I agree with all of the above points. I'm expecting cheesy from this movie. I always have. I liked that Spider-man wasn't afraid to be melodramatic and cheesy and I only wish there could have been more humor in them since Raimi decided to dwell a bit too much on Peter's angst. I thought it was fine though. It really made me care about Peter. I just wish that I could care about Spider-man the same way.

I hope that Singer learns from Raimi's mistake. I want everything that Spider-man did and turn it up to eleven. I want high action, a lot of cheesy humor, and good drama.

While I wouldn't categorize it as cheese (good humor is good humor), I think the resistance here is to any humor at all with the villain. Which is simply, to me, immature teenage thinking. They want their villain to be colored in a big black line that says EVIL or CONFLICTED. No sense of humor at all.

I think we will be getting both sides. We will be getting the humor as well as the evil. But you need both for this type of story. A Superman movie devoid of humor and a bit of "cheese" would probably be a disaster.

It's the same old problem: let the fanboys make the movie, and you will get about an hour and a half of Superman punching things, a half hour of Superman punching Lex in a green and purple battlesuit (and these same people think Ms. Tessmacher was campy), and about 2 minutes of actual storytelling.

And I say that not in disdain, but in despair; because I'm a fanboy too, and that is what I would be too tempted to make if I had that much money to throw at Superman.

[Bad Superman]

Oh great, another Teschmacher...

****.

My thoughts exactly. Still, I hope it doesn't turn into a cheese fest. . . :o

[MatchesMalone]

My thoughts exactly. Still, I hope it doesn't turn into a cheese fest. . . :o

Why?

[MatchesMalone]

My question to all of you: and I really hope you examine the question honestly and not simply spout the usual drivel.

Go back and watch STM, and then pop in any STAS episode or Justice League episode. I want you to note the "cheese" factor in both. They are very, very comparable. I want you all to examine your feelings about "cheese": define it, and describe why you feel it is a bad thing. Did you hate Spider-man? Did you not enjoy the Joker in BTAS? Did you hate Jack Nicholson hamming it up in Batman '89? Just....be honest.

[Bad Superman]

Why?

Because high cholesterol food is bad for your heart. . .:rolleyes:

[MatchesMalone]

Because high cholesterol food is bad for your heart. . .:rolleyes:

Simple question, sarcastic non-answer. You all seem to know what is wrong with something until you are asked to explain it.

[Bad Superman]

Simple question, sarcastic non-answer. You all seem to know what is wrong with something until you are asked to explain it.

I did not claim "to know what is wrong". I just made a simple comment. ;)

[MatchesMalone]

I did not claim "to know what is wrong". I just made a simple comment. ;)

And I asked a specific question in response: why do you think cheese is bad in the context of a Superman story?

See, it's called discussion, man. Questions, answers, etc. :)

[Cinemaman]

I cant say something about this. Sorry guys, but I can say that it isn't good idea. I thought there will be strong dramatic storyline between Lex and Kitty.

[MatchesMalone]

You know what I think? I think people who won't embrace the cheesy aspects of any super-hero story are simply, at some level, self-conscious about liking super-heroes. They are afraid to admit they own all 4 seasons of Smallville on DVD. They take care to hide what they buy from their comic book store friends, always putting a Vertigo title on top. They are simply, at some varying level, afraid of what others will think of their like for super-heroes. Therefore, they have a desire for the super-heroes to be "as serious as possible" so that they can get validation that this is adult subject matter and should be taken seriously. Guess what, folks. These are children's stories. These are fairy tales. But guess what else: so was Alice in Wonderland. So was Narnia. Have your cheese and enjoy this aspect of comics for what it is.

[MatchesMalone]

I cant say something about this. Sorry guys, but I can say that it isn't good idea. I thought there will be strong dramatic storyline between Lex and Kitty.

And here I thought there would be a strong, dramatic storyline between Lex and Superman. :o

[dark_b]

My question to all of you: and I really hope you examine the question honestly and not simply spout the usual drivel.

Go back and watch STM, and then pop in any STAS episode or Justice League episode. I want you to note the "cheese" factor in both. They are very, very comparable. I want you all to examine your feelings about "cheese": define it, and describe why you feel it is a bad thing. Did you hate Spider-man? Did you not enjoy the Joker in BTAS? Did you hate Jack Nicholson hamming it up in Batman '89? Just....be honest.first cartoon dont count since they are for kids. yeah i said it: cartoons are for kids :o.
i didnt like the cheeze factor in spiderman .it didnt ruin the movie for me but it would be better without it. of course there will always be humor in this kind of movies since they are also for kids. you just need find a balance between all this stuff.

if SR is like spiderman it would be perfect. singer said it will be a mix between spiderman and x-men. of course this was a lye for me sice kitty will be the main humore in this movie and this humor is bigger than x-men and spiderman together. so it will not be like this. i still hope i am wrong and it will be a mix between SM and x-men.

if singer has balls than we will se how lex punches kitty in teh face. or he pushes her to the ground.
http://www.kal-el.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_kitty-slap-lex.jpg

[MatchesMalone]

first cartoon dont count since they are for kids. yeah i said it: cartoons are for kids :o.
i didnt like the cheeze factor in spiderman .it didnt ruin the movie for me but it would be better without it. of course there will always be humor in this kind of movies since they are also for kids. you just need find a balance between all this stuff.

if SR is like spiderman it would be perfect. singer said it will be a mix between spiderman and x-men. of course this was a lye for me sice kitty will be the main humore in this movie and this humor is bigger than x-men and spiderman together. so it will not be like this. i still hope i am wrong and it will be a mix between SM and x-men.

if singer has balls than we will se how lex punches kitty in teh face. or he pushes her to the ground.
http://www.kal-el.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_kitty-slap-lex.jpg

Yeah, cause it takes "balls" to show somebody hitting a woman. You people get very sick in the head sometimes.

[dark_b]

Yeah, cause it takes "balls" to show somebody hitting a woman. You people get very sick in the head sometimes.this is my version of evil lex :o.
singer said a sadistic lex.:o

[Cinemaman]

this is my version of evil lex :o.
singer said a sadistic lex.:o

Agreed.

[Venom71]

Yeah, cause it takes "balls" to show somebody hitting a woman. You people get very sick in the head sometimes.
I agree

[GreenKToo]

I don't really mind cheesy,and even a little humor,but I don't want to see things like a guy drowning in his car parked over a fire hydrant.and yes I know thats superman 3.that was just to much.I mean come on,what did he drive a fred flintstone mobile.I agree with all of the above points. I'm expecting cheesy from this movie. I always have. I liked that Spider-man wasn't afraid to be melodramatic and cheesy and I only wish there could have been more humor in them since Raimi decided to dwell a bit too much on Peter's angst. I thought it was fine though. It really made me care about Peter. I just wish that I could care about Spider-man the same way.

I hope that Singer learns from Raimi's mistake. I want everything that Spider-man did and turn it up to eleven. I want high action, a lot of cheesy humor, and good drama.

[Venom71]

I hope they kill off Lex and Kitty is the main villain in the sequels :p

[That-Guy]

I'm not a big fan of Posey's... nor am I really a big fan of Lex having a bimbo girlfriend. That was one problem I had with Donner's Superman. I don't think Miss Tesmacher's change of heart towards the end really counts as any type of redemption. She only helps Superman so he'll go save her mother. If Lex hadn't sent off that second missile, she wouldn't have batted an eye at the fact that he was about to kill MILLIONS of people. Superman should have hauled her ass off to the women's prison. Then we might have gotten a good shower scene with her in Superman 2. :D

[GreenKToo]

ha ha ha.

[Metropolis_Man]

Without some humor it just wouldn't be right. This isn't X-Men or Batman, Superman lives in a place that is brighter and full of characters that use humor. I think that Singer will use the right blend of humor and seriousness to make it good. I do agree that there needs to be some type of humor in there though.

[Mentok]

Its an Action/Fantasy film... it cant be deadly serious. That would ruin the whole thing.

[Cinemaman]

Its an Action/Fantasy film... it cant be deadly serious. That would ruin the whole thing.

But I think Kitty shouldn;t be campy.

There is only one character who should be campy, JIMMY OLSEN.

[dark_b]

lets hope that noone is campy cinemaman. i think there is a diference between campy characters and characters with humor.

and wasnt it said that even jimmy will be also very serious and funny?

[Kane]

Yeah, cause it takes "balls" to show somebody hitting a woman. You people get very sick in the head sometimes.

:D whatever dude. I love it. Shows how awesome Lex is.

[Kane]

I cant say something about this. Sorry guys, but I can say that it isn't good idea. I thought there will be strong dramatic storyline between Lex and Kitty.

:confused: No big mistake. He doesnt even give a damn about her. Shes just his accessory, his h*e.

[SuperDaniel]

First of all, I didn`t like Donners interpretation on Lex Luthor, period. That wasn`t and will never be the Lex Luthor i like to see. The Lex Luthor i love is the one loved by people but is pulling the strings behind the scenes. THe Lex Luthor from Superman for all seasons and from Man of Steel. The Lionel Luthor from Smallville. Its the one who is jelous of Superman for thinking people like him more. The one who thinks Superman stole his metropolis, not the one who wants to conquer the world. Just because i don`t agree with your point of view, doesn`t give you the right to think i`m not a fan of Superman or that i`m childish, imateur, just for expressing my anthipathy with some of Singer`s decisions.
Matches Malone, Joker and Lex Luthor are totally diferent characters. You can`t compare Jack Nicholsons portrayal of an insane, crazy character with Lex Luthor. Lex Luthor isn`t insane, crazy, in my opinion. He is egocentrical but he doesn`t thin he is evil. He just is. He doesn`t go around saying, "Look! I`m evil, look", "I`m going to conquer the world!" Thats Brain from Pinky and the Brain, not Lex Luthor.
I just wanted to see the Luthor from the 90`s with LexCorp and all. This is without a doubt, the best version of the character. I`m talking about stories like the Unauthorized Biography of Lex Luthor, i`m talking about Superman for all Seasons. I`m talking about Man of Steel. Those stories are really good. The Lex Luthor who is a greedy billionaire. This is more in tune to what we see nowadays. This is a more realistic version of the character.
I really don`t mind humour but i don`t want Donner campy humor. The Lex Luthor who says "i`m the greatest criminal mind" of our time type of humour.
I don`t like the fact Luthor is a mob boss in this movie. I don`t like the fact he has a gang who goes to cause trouble in metropolis and shooting people. And i don`t like the fact that he has a campy girlfriend.Sorry, folks. Thats just my opinion.

[MatchesMalone]

That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it. Well said, too.

I don't agree with it for the most part (although Luthor in SFAS was great - and had a humorous side).

I prefer a Lex who is the complete opposite of Superman. A man so egotistical and attention-starved that his frail humanity won't stop him. He'll go to bat against Superman just because he can. It's a challenge for him. It makes the villain more interesting, more so than a standard corporate exec. I don't want Lex Luthor to be in the same league as an oil tycoon from a Steven Seagal movie.

Actually, the type of villain that Spacey played in Usual Suspects is in the ballpark for me.

[lujho]

Yeah, cause it takes "balls" to show somebody hitting a woman. You people get very sick in the head sometimes.

Don't be silly. It doesn't take balls to hit a woman, but in certain circumstances it can take them to SHOW it in a film. And showing it doesn't mean you condone it.

If Lex DID hit kitty I'd certainly say that Singer had some balls to do that - and that doesn't mean either I or Singer would think what Lex did is okay (hint: he's the villain, he's supposed to be a bastard). I doubt we'll see him do it though - Lex can hurt with words far better than with hands - I certainly hope we see some of that.

I still think Miss Teschmacher Mark 4 (after Lorelei Ambrosia in Superman 3 and Miss Morganberry from the Ruby Spears cartoon) is a dissapointingly bad idea. Lex shouldn't even look twice at such a woman.

[lujho]

First of all, I didn`t like Donners interpretation on Lex Luthor, period. That wasn`t and will never be the Lex Luthor i like to see. The Lex Luthor i love is the one loved by people but is pulling the strings behind the scenes. THe Lex Luthor from Superman for all seasons and from Man of Steel. The Lionel Luthor from Smallville. Its the one who is jelous of Superman for thinking people like him more. The one who thinks Superman stole his metropolis, not the one who wants to conquer the world. Just because i don`t agree with your point of view, doesn`t give you the right to think i`m not a fan of Superman or that i`m childish, imateur, just for expressing my anthipathy with some of Singer`s decisions.
Matches Malone, Joker and Lex Luthor are totally diferent characters. You can`t compare Jack Nicholsons portrayal of an insane, crazy character with Lex Luthor. Lex Luthor isn`t insane, crazy, in my opinion. He is egocentrical but he doesn`t thin he is evil. He just is. He doesn`t go around saying, "Look! I`m evil, look", "I`m going to conquer the world!" Thats Brain from Pinky and the Brain, not Lex Luthor.
I just wanted to see the Luthor from the 90`s with LexCorp and all. This is without a doubt, the best version of the character. I`m talking about stories like the Unauthorized Biography of Lex Luthor, i`m talking about Superman for all Seasons. I`m talking about Man of Steel. Those stories are really good. The Lex Luthor who is a greedy billionaire. This is more in tune to what we see nowadays. This is a more realistic version of the character.
I really don`t mind humour but i don`t want Donner campy humor. The Lex Luthor who says "i`m the greatest criminal mind" of our time type of humour.
I don`t like the fact Luthor is a mob boss in this movie. I don`t like the fact he has a gang who goes to cause trouble in metropolis and shooting people. And i don`t like the fact that he has a campy girlfriend.Sorry, folks. Thats just my opinion.

You're certainly not alone there.

[Mr. Credible]

First of all, I didn`t like Donners interpretation on Lex Luthor, period. That wasn`t and will never be the Lex Luthor i like to see. The Lex Luthor i love is the one loved by people but is pulling the strings behind the scenes. THe Lex Luthor from Superman for all seasons and from Man of Steel. The Lionel Luthor from Smallville. Its the one who is jelous of Superman for thinking people like him more. The one who thinks Superman stole his metropolis, not the one who wants to conquer the world. Just because i don`t agree with your point of view, doesn`t give you the right to think i`m not a fan of Superman or that i`m childish, imateur, just for expressing my anthipathy with some of Singer`s decisions.
Matches Malone, Joker and Lex Luthor are totally diferent characters. You can`t compare Jack Nicholsons portrayal of an insane, crazy character with Lex Luthor. Lex Luthor isn`t insane, crazy, in my opinion. He is egocentrical but he doesn`t thin he is evil. He just is. He doesn`t go around saying, "Look! I`m evil, look", "I`m going to conquer the world!" Thats Brain from Pinky and the Brain, not Lex Luthor.
I just wanted to see the Luthor from the 90`s with LexCorp and all. This is without a doubt, the best version of the character. I`m talking about stories like the Unauthorized Biography of Lex Luthor, i`m talking about Superman for all Seasons. I`m talking about Man of Steel. Those stories are really good. The Lex Luthor who is a greedy billionaire. This is more in tune to what we see nowadays. This is a more realistic version of the character.
I really don`t mind humour but i don`t want Donner campy humor. The Lex Luthor who says "i`m the greatest criminal mind" of our time type of humour.
I don`t like the fact Luthor is a mob boss in this movie. I don`t like the fact he has a gang who goes to cause trouble in metropolis and shooting people. And i don`t like the fact that he has a campy girlfriend.Sorry, folks. Thats just my opinion.

yeah!

i'll still hold my judgement until i see the movie, because as far as lex goes, i think he looks great... it's kitty and his cronies i'm worried about. i just hope lex has a very dry, deliberate sense of humor, instead of a hackman-esque style.

[dark_b]

Don't be silly. It doesn't take balls to hit a woman, but in certain circumstances it can take them to SHOW it in a film. And showing it doesn't mean you condone it.

If Lex DID hit kitty I'd certainly say that Singer had some balls to do that - and that doesn't mean either I or Singer would think what Lex did is okay (hint: he's the cillain, he's supposed to be a bastard. I doubt we'll see him do it though - Lex can hurt with words far better than with hands - I certainly hope we see some of that.

I still think Miss Teschmacher Mark 4 (after Lorelei Ambrosia in Superman 3 and Miss Morganberry from the Ruby Spears cartoon) is a dissapointingly bad idea. Lex shouldn't even look twice at such a woman.this is what i dont understand. why would lex be with a girl like her? just why? :confused:

[Kane]

Hes using her just for his public image. Shes just a possession. Hes not really 'with' her or cares.

[SuperDaniel]

One word: Sex. haahaha But not even this is a excuse cause if he is rich, he can get any woman he wants to. Except Lois. Thats what i loved about LOis & Clark season 1.

[SuperDaniel]

Just to make myself clear. I think Spacey will be great in this movie .I`m just worried about Kitty and his godamman "gang".

[MatchesMalone]

Don't be silly. It doesn't take balls to hit a woman, but in certain circumstances it can take them to SHOW it in a film. And showing it doesn't mean you condone it.

This is a type of film in which that sort of gratuity will be very out of place. I am not against violence being shown when it has a point. The excuse "to show Lex's eeeeeeeevil side!" is simply not a valid excuse for somebody to strike a defenseless woman. Call me old-fashioned, but that sort of pointless display is just not excusable when it has no point. It's not balls. It's simply a type of exploitation.

If Lex DID hit kitty I'd certainly say that Singer had some balls to do that - and that doesn't mean either I or Singer would think what Lex did is okay (hint: he's the cillain, he's supposed to be a bastard. I doubt we'll see him do it though - Lex can hurt with words far better than with hands - I certainly hope we see some of that.

I wouldn't. I would say that Singer was sloppily trying to make up for bad writing by adding gratuitous crap. The end of your paragraph above is how good writing shows characterization.

I still think Miss Teschmacher Mark 4 (after Lorelei Ambrosia in Superman 3 and Miss Morganberry from the Ruby Spears cartoon) is a dissapointingly bad idea. Lex shouldn't even look twice at such a woman.

Superman 3 didn't have Lex Luthor in it.

I guess we'll just have to disagree on what you all think this movie's flavor should be. I want a supremely fun, epic, and uplifting film. You all seem to want nothing more than a black and white, boring, and safe story.

[Venom71]

Just to make myself clear. I think Spacey will be great in this movie .I`m just worried about Kitty and his godamman "gang".
Why? We really don't know much about his gang. They could end up being serious henchmen...we don't know yet. People need to realize these people are ACTORS and just becaue Kal Penn was in a comedy before SR doesn't mean he will be playing the same type of character in SR as he did in Harold and Kamar. Seth Green is a really funny guy in the comedies he has been in but he was also great and very serious as a computer genious in Enemy of The State.

[dark_b]

Why? We really don't know much about his gang. They could end up being serious henchmen...we don't know yet. People need to realize these people are ACTORS and just becaue Kal Penn was in a comedy before SR doesn't mean he will be playing the same type of character in SR as he did in Harold and Kamar. Seth Green is a really funny guy in the comedies he has been in but he was also great and very serious as a computer genious in Enemy of The State.he is worried because he doesnt know how it will be in the movie :o.

[MatchesMalone]

I hope he's as funny as he was in Harold and Kumar. He was frickin hilarious!

[SuperDaniel]

I hope not. The last thing i want is another Otis.

[MatchesMalone]

Comparing Kal Penn to Ned Beatty is like comparing a cat to a blue whale.

[Venom71]

I think it is funny before Singer got involved most people were saying thatr S:TM and S:II were the best comic book/superhero movies ever..when Singer said he was using them as Vague History it changed to..those movies were terrible campy movies and shouldn't be connected to SR. Flip Flop much people?

[SuperDaniel]

I don`t want him to be funny in this movie, thats all. I really don`t think bad guys should be funny, like comediants. Except the Joker but he is very insane.But i don`t think Lex Luthor should be like the Joker. Kal Penn as a Computer genius, yeah! But not some stupid henchman ala Batman from the 60`s and this is what i`m afraid of. I`ll hold my judgement till i see the movie.

[dark_b]

I hope he's as funny as he was in Harold and Kumar. He was frickin hilarious!ok now yo uare joking right? :confused:

so you want him to be funny like in harold& kumar or do you want him to act like that?

[SuperDaniel]

I think it is funny before Singer got involved most people were saying thatr S:TM and S:II were the best comic book/superhero movies ever..when Singer said he was using them as Vague History it changed to..those movies were terrible campy movies and shouldn't be connected to SR. Flip Flop much people?
They got the Superman chracter really right, the Lois romance was amazingly well done but i do think Lex Luthor wasn`t good. Its a great movie and one of my favorites movies of all time but its not 100% perfect.

[dark_b]

I don`t want him to be funny in this movie, thats all. I really don`t think bad guys should be funny, like comediants. Except the Joker but he is very insane.But i don`t think Lex Luthor should be like the Joker. Kal Penn as a Computer genius, yeah! But not some stupid henchman ala Batman from the 60`s and this is what i`m afraid of. I`ll hold my judgement till i see the movie.if you think that this movie will be anything like batman(60) .

than you think wrong. this was camp ...CAMP. here you will see humor.

[SuperDaniel]

Hopefully. But i don`t like Luthor`s gang who goes around Metropolis to cause trouble. I think it`s just stupid.

[The Sage]

First of all, I didn`t like Donners interpretation on Lex Luthor, period. That wasn`t and will never be the Lex Luthor i like to see. The Lex Luthor i love is the one loved by people but is pulling the strings behind the scenes. THe Lex Luthor from Superman for all seasons and from Man of Steel. The Lionel Luthor from Smallville. Its the one who is jelous of Superman for thinking people like him more. The one who thinks Superman stole his metropolis, not the one who wants to conquer the world. Just because i don`t agree with your point of view, doesn`t give you the right to think i`m not a fan of Superman or that i`m childish, imateur, just for expressing my anthipathy with some of Singer`s decisions.
Matches Malone, Joker and Lex Luthor are totally diferent characters. You can`t compare Jack Nicholsons portrayal of an insane, crazy character with Lex Luthor. Lex Luthor isn`t insane, crazy, in my opinion. He is egocentrical but he doesn`t thin he is evil. He just is. He doesn`t go around saying, "Look! I`m evil, look", "I`m going to conquer the world!" Thats Brain from Pinky and the Brain, not Lex Luthor.
I just wanted to see the Luthor from the 90`s with LexCorp and all. This is without a doubt, the best version of the character. I`m talking about stories like the Unauthorized Biography of Lex Luthor, i`m talking about Superman for all Seasons. I`m talking about Man of Steel. Those stories are really good. The Lex Luthor who is a greedy billionaire. This is more in tune to what we see nowadays. This is a more realistic version of the character.
I really don`t mind humour but i don`t want Donner campy humor. The Lex Luthor who says "i`m the greatest criminal mind" of our time type of humour.
I don`t like the fact Luthor is a mob boss in this movie. I don`t like the fact he has a gang who goes to cause trouble in metropolis and shooting people. And i don`t like the fact that he has a campy girlfriend.Sorry, folks. Thats just my opinion.

What about Elliott Maggin's Lex Luthor in "Luthor's Gift" or "Last Son of Krypton"? What about the current Lex in the "Up, Up, and Away" arc? What about the Lex who hates Superman because he's an alien and that by saving people, he thinks Superman is destroying the world's ability to save themselves?

Hopefully. But i don`t like Luthor`s gang who goes around Metropolis to cause trouble. I think it`s just stupid.

So you don't like the Legion of Doom, Metallo, Intergang?

[SuperDaniel]

What about Elliott Maggin's Lex Luthor in "Luthor's Gift" or "Last Son of Krypton"? What about the current Lex in the "Up, Up, and Away" arc? What about the Lex who hates Superman because he's an alien and that by saving people, he thinks Superman is destroying the world's ability to save themselves?
Never read those but i really don`t like Pre-crisis that much and i don`t read comics anymore. But i actually think thats stupid cause i don`t like the Luthor who loves humans or mankind. I like the Luthor who is greedy and wants more money. Why? Because thats the world we live nowadays.
So you don't like the Legion of Doom, Metallo, Intergang?
I love it in the cartoon, but not in a serious movie. I don`t understand the other mentions. Thats not Lex Luthor. I don`t think Luthor should be like Intergang or Metallo. Duh!

[afan]

A keen sense of humor is a symptom of intelligence.

Doesn't it make sense for Lex Luthor to surround himself with people he judges his inferiors; it would serve to reinforce his opinion of himself as superior to the common man.

[SuperDaniel]

^^^^And i think this is better shown in the comics from the 90`s. The post-crisis version of Luthor. THe Luthor from animated series, from Lois & Clark, the Lionel Luthor from Smallville, the Luthor from Superman for all seasons.

[SuperDaniel]

I`ll try to explain it better the Luthor i like. The way i see, Superman is not just like a hero like any other, who saves people. He is not just fighting for what is right or justice. Superman fights for something more important. He fights to make this world a better place for us to live. He fights for an utopian world, where everyone is happy. He fights to unite us. Superman is a metaphor for this fight. He believes we`re equal. He believes that human has the capacity for good. Superman is very humanitarian. Luthor is the opposite of that. He is greedy and self-centered. He cares only about himself, only about making himself feel better, about the money. Its a more pshycollogical fight instead of a more face-to-face fight, evil vs good. Thats reason why i love post-crisis over pre-crisis. Because we all have Luthor inside of us. He is just not one character who personifies evil. The world is simply not just good vs evil.
THe Luthor i`m getting in this movie and the one we had in Superman the movie is the one who is evil and goes to robb banks, who wants to conquer the world, the one who explodes california. Thats the difference.

[ToddIsDead]

My favorite Lex is when he hates Superheros because they hinder mankind's abilities to deal with their situations. He thinks they are a danger to mankind's indepence. And he fears that they may one day over step their bounds and take full control. Kind of like Max Lord without the powers.

[SuperDaniel]

And he fears that they may one day over step their bounds and take full control. Kind of like Max Lord without the powers.
To my mind, Lex Luthor doesn`t fear anything. HE is more than that. Lex Luthor is the idea of evil, just like Superman is the idea of good. Thats how the world is today. I don`t like when Superman is just good personified: He just saves people(pre-crisis)and FIGHTS BAD guys. I like when Superman represents the idea of good (Superman for all seasons, Superman peace on earth, kingdom come). The same way i don`t like when Luthor is evil personified or just the bad guy. I like when Luthor represents the idea of evil and thats what makes him better than other villains. Cause we have Luthor moments too. I like it when its more psycollogical. I like it when we`re not sure Luthor is evil because he doesn`t look like one. But inside he is really evil.

[skruloos]

Never read those but i really don`t like Pre-crisis that much and i don`t read comics anymore. But i actually think thats stupid cause i don`t like the Luthor who loves humans or mankind. I like the Luthor who is greedy and wants more money. Why? Because thats the world we live nowadays.
Which is exactly the problem with what was Post-Crisis. It was straying too far from the mythic aspect of the character and grounding it in too much reality. It became tedious. It's why the character has slowly been evolving back to his roots, his Pre-Crisis days when he wasn't just a knockoff of the Kingpin (and he shouldn't be since he came first). And the corrupt greedy tycoon? Please. I read enough about those in the news. Superman's villain should be larger than life. What's next? Superman versus Enron?

[MatchesMalone]

To my mind, Lex Luthor doesn`t fear anything. HE is more than that. Lex Luthor is the idea of evil, just like Superman is the idea of good. Thats how the world is today. I don`t like when Superman is just good personified

Contradictory.

He just saves people(pre-crisis)and FIGHTS BAD guys. I like when Superman represents the idea of good (Superman for all seasons, Superman peace on earth, kingdom come).

Uh...did you actually read Kingdom Come? Superman, in that story, is an ineffectual world leader who causes a metaphorical Armageddon through indecision and loss of his own sense of humanity.

The same way i don`t like when Luthor is evil personified or just the bad guy. I like when Luthor represents the idea of evil

That's what personification means, almost exactly.

and thats what makes him better than other villains. Cause we have Luthor moments too. I like it when its more psycollogical. I like it when we`re not sure Luthor is evil because he doesn`t look like one. But inside he is really evil.

So, you like Michael Rosenbaum from Smallville. To me, that entire story is completely devoid of interest or even the slightest bit of real emotion. It's all simply teenage angst.

It sounds like what you want are Marvel characters.

[MatchesMalone]

Which is exactly the problem with what was Post-Crisis. It was straying too far from the mythic aspect of the character and grounding it in too much reality. It became tedious. It's why the character has slowly been evolving back to his roots, his Pre-Crisis days when he wasn't just a knockoff of the Kingpin (and he shouldn't be since he came first). And the corrupt greedy tycoon? Please. I read enough about those in the news. Superman's villain should be larger than life. What's next? Superman versus Enron?

They already made Lex President. Yawn.

I miss the inventor Lex, the criminal Lex. The FUN Lex.

[SuperDaniel]

Which is exactly the problem with what was Post-Crisis. It was straying too far from the mythic aspect of the character and grounding it in too much reality. It became tedious. It's why the character has slowly been evolving back to his roots, his Pre-Crisis days when he wasn't just a knockoff of the Kingpin (and he shouldn't be since he came first). And the corrupt greedy tycoon? Please. I read enough about those in the news. Superman's villain should be larger than life. What's next? Superman versus Enron?
And how exactely the 90`s Luthor isn`t larger than life? He is much more a complex character than the "i am evil" of pre-crisis. In pre-crisis, things were just 1 dimensional. Thats why it changed. For the better. But the fact writers can`t write good stories its not the characters fault. How about Superman for all seasons? That single story alone is better then every story of pre-crisis excluding "whatever happened to the man of tomorrow".

[MatchesMalone]

And how exactely the 90`s Luthor isn`t larger than life? He is much more a complex character than the "i am evil" of pre-crisis. In pre-crisis, things were just 1 dimensional. Thats why it changed. For the better. But the fact writers can`t write good stories its not the characters fault. How about Superman for all seasons? That single story alone is better then every story of pre-crisis excluding "whatever happened to the man of tomorrow".

And Lex is FUNNY in that story! He's also a blustery fool. Same in Kingdom Come.

What story from the 90's showed Lex as a complex personality? The one where he dies and then his son shows up? Then his son is really him cloned? Wow, how original *cough*Marvel*cough*. Where was he written with complexity? With real emotion?

For All Seasons. Kingdom Come. Birthright. All of these have something in common. Lex is slightly mad, sadistic, and prone to humor. Regardless of the trappings of his job or station in life.

[SuperDaniel]

Matches, i don`t like when Superman is just a bland 1 dimensional character who just fights bad guys and saves people. I like when Superman represents the idea of good inside all of us. The way it was shown in Superman for all seasons. Why be a Superman if you can`t save everybody? Why? Because he wants to make the world a better place. Because he loves humans. Earth is his new home and he doesn`t want the same thing that happened to Krypton. Thats what makes him larger than life. He is not just good. He represents the idea of good. This isn`t Marvel. I don`t like when Superman goes to have therapeutic sessions, like it was shown in some histories of post-crisis or is unsure of himself.

The same thing goes for Luthor. I don`t like when he is just evil personified. He is just a bad guy who robbs banks and cause trouble so in the end of the movie, Luthor is back in jail again. For a 2 hour movie, i want Luthor to represent the idea of evil, not just be evil. Superman for all seasons is a great comic because its outside continuity and it feels like watching a movie. Its a simple and magnificent story.

[Showtime]

I would have actually liked to see Superman return to find out that Lex is running for President and is now loved by all. That would blow his mind.

[SuperDaniel]

And Lex is FUNNY in that story! He's also a blustery fool. Same in Kingdom Come.

Where Lex is funny in the story? When he brainwashed that fan of Superman as a part of his plan to show Superman can`t save every life? When he creates the Luthor robots to make people thing we don`t need Superman?

[SuperDaniel]

I would have actually liked to see Superman return to find out that Lex is running for President and is now loved by all. That would blow his mind.
This would be much better than what we`ve got. Luthor in this movie will just be evil make him very 1 dimensional and bland. And in my opinion, stupid. He is there to just conquer the world and Superman is the guy who is going to save people and stop him.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

^^^

We don't know what we have got.

[MatchesMalone]

Matches, i don`t like when Superman is just a bland 1 dimensional character who just fights bad guys and saves people. I like when Superman represents the idea of good inside all of us. The way it was shown in Superman for all seasons. Why be a Superman if you can`t save everybody? Why? Because he wants to make the world a better place. Because he loves humans. Earth is his new home and he doesn`t want the same thing that happened to Krypton. Thats what makes him larger than life. He is not just good. He represents the idea of good. This isn`t Marvel. I don`t like when Superman goes to have therapeutic sessions, like it was shown in some histories of post-crisis or is unsure of himself.

I believe that is exactly where you and Bryan Singer agree completely, and what you will see. It will be emotionally resonant because the world is unsure if they want him back, but he still needs to do what he does.

The same thing goes for Luthor. I don`t like when he is just evil personified. He is just a bad guy who robbs banks and cause trouble so in the end of the movie, Luthor is back in jail again. For a 2 hour movie, i want Luthor to represent the idea of evil, not just be evil. Superman for all seasons is a great comic because its outside continuity and it feels like watching a movie. Its a simple and magnificent story.

I agree about SFAS. It is a great story.

What I think you are talking about is very black and white, very clear-cut. Good versus evil. The story of Lex and Superman should be less clear. Lex represents the meek; the emotional, mental challenge to Superman. Therefore, he needs to feel intimate. To feel like a real human being. Humor is a great tool for this, employed by nearly everybody who has touched Lex.

You have a fear that Lex will be a cardboard cut-out, with no dimension.

I ask you this. Was Magneto a cardboard cut-out? Has Kevin Spacey EVER played a cardboard cut-out?

[skruloos]

And how exactely the 90`s Luthor isn`t larger than life? He is much more a complex character than the "i am evil" of pre-crisis. In pre-crisis, things were just 1 dimensional. Thats why it changed. For the better.
For the better? If that was the case, they would keep it the way it was. But no. The comics are reverting BACK to Pre-Crisis. Why? Because the Post-Crisis Lex, the tycoon with the dark side who eventually became president was boring.


But the fact writers can`t write good stories its not the characters fault. How about Superman for all seasons? That single story alone is better then every story of pre-crisis excluding "whatever happened to the man of tomorrow".
It's funny that you mention that. I see Superman For All Seasons as the first step in trying to make Post-Crisis Superman much more like Pre-Crisis. Luthor, while he's still the business man, obviously is the xenophobe and a bit of his insane inventor shows through judging by his evil plot in the film. I mean, a variation of the Lex suit shows up. That mini-series is one of the few before Birthright that felt like a Pre-Crisis story.

[SuperDaniel]

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[MatchesMalone]

This would be much better than what we`ve got. Luthor in this movie will just be evil make him very 1 dimensional and bland. And in my opinion, stupid. He is there to just conquer the world and Superman is the guy who is going to save people and stop him.

SpiderDaniel. Seriously. WHAT ELSE TO THE STORY IS THERE? When has it ever been different than that???

[SuperDaniel]

For the better? If that was the case, they would keep it the way it was. But no. The comics are reverting BACK to Pre-Crisis. Why? Because the Post-Crisis Lex, the tycoon with the dark side who eventually became president was boring.
If the writers cant write good stories, then its their fault.

It's funny that you mention that. I see Superman For All Seasons as the first step in trying to make Post-Crisis Superman much more like Pre-Crisis. Luthor, while he's still the business man, obviously is the xenophobe and a bit of his insane inventor shows through judging by his evil plot in the film. I mean, a variation of the Lex suit shows up. That mini-series is one of the few before Birthright that felt like a Pre-Crisis story.
But his evil plot wasnt conquering the world, like it is in Pre-crisis and in the movies. His plot is to make Superman give up. Is to make Superman don`t have hope. Thats not pre-crisis at all.

And what Luthor we have in this movie? The one who goes to the fortress, robbs the crystal, wants to make new krypton and be rich, sends his gang to cause trouble around metropolis(train, anyone) to distract Superman so he can create his new home without Superman knowing. A luthor Who is just evil personified and 1 dimensional.

[skruloos]

I do. Luthor goes to the fortress, robbs the crystal, wants to make new krypton and be rich, sends his gang to cause trouble around metropolis(train, anyone) to distract Superman so he can create his new home without Superman knowing. A luthor Who is just evil personified and 1 dimensional.
By that definition, what would be the difference with the guy in For all Seasons? Didn't you say you wanted a Lex who is greedy? Didn't you just say that Lex in SR wants to make New Krypton to get rich? How is Luthor in the Post-Crisis comics not evil personified? And Lex Luthor, in any incarnation, has always been about ultimate power and taking over the world. But he's also been about wantingt to destroy Superman, whether it was in Pre or Post-Crisis. How would SR be any different? Seems that the only real difference here is the front. The Luthor of StM did not use a front. The one in Post-Crisis did. It didn't make him any more complex. It just gave him something to hide behind. As the current events show in the comics, he was always as insane as he was in Pre-Crisis and his facade just couldn't hold up any longer.

[SuperDaniel]

In post-crisis, people dont know he is evil. People love Lex Luthor. Thats very diferent than the usual bad guy....
And even Luthor is not just evil. He hires thousands of people and helps thosands of citzens in Metropolis. If we take a look at this aspect, he is not evil. But why does he do that? To help people? No. He does it to conquer all of them. He does it to control metropolis. Thats very different from pre-crisis.

[ToddIsDead]

You obviously haven't been reading comics lately. The public absolutely despises Luthor.

[skruloos]

If the writers cant write good stories, then its their fault.
If the character stops working and they've exhausted what can be told with such a bland character, then it's the character's fault. They tried the respectable business front. They tried it for almost two decades. They found it didn't work.

But his evil plot wasnt conquering the world, like it is in Pre-crisis and in the movies. His plot is to make Superman give up. Is to make Superman don`t have hope. Thats not pre-crisis at all.
Actually, that's a lot like the Luthor in Superboy. And Luthor in the comics WAS about conquering the world. Why do you think he ran for President?


And what Luthor we have in this movie? The one who goes to the fortress, robbs the crystal, wants to make new krypton and be rich, sends his gang to cause trouble around metropolis(train, anyone) to distract Superman so he can create his new home without Superman knowing. A luthor Who is just evil personified and 1 dimensional.
No. We have a Luthor, who by the quotes we have read the character says in the film by set reports and interviews, is jealous of Superman. He is jealous of Superman's power. Also, he resents how much humans have come to depend on an alien. How is that one dimensional?

[SuperDaniel]

You obviously haven't been reading comics lately. The public absolutely despises Luthor.
Back to pre-crisis.Back to the stupid, 1 dimensional type.

[MatchesMalone]

If the writers cant write good stories, then its their fault.

That's pretty prejudicial. How much pre-crisis have you actually read? Admittedly, most of it in the 50s and 60s was crap (because of the Wertham debacle, most comics period were crap back then). But the ideas put forth were quite excellent. With better writing, they would make some incredible tales. Wait, that's what's happening! Excellent!

But his evil plot wasnt conquering the world, like it is in Pre-crisis and in the movies. His plot is to make Superman give up. Is to make Superman don`t have hope. Thats not pre-crisis at all.

To what end is he trying to get rid of Superman? Simply as an obstacle in his plans to take over Metropolis. That's all. Simply because he wanted the public attention back on him. Pretty typical to me. The same old story with a different face. Why can't you see this? Lex has always wanted to get rid of Superman because he is scared of him and annoyed at his intrusion. Pre-crisis is no different.

And what Luthor we have in this movie? The one who goes to the fortress, robbs the crystal, wants to make new krypton and be rich, sends his gang to cause trouble around metropolis(train, anyone) to distract Superman so he can create his new home without Superman knowing. A luthor Who is just evil personified and 1 dimensional.

How do we know Luthor isn't the one who helps engineer the public's increasing ambivalence toward Superman in his absense? How do you know he will be one-dimensional. Hitler was all about taking over the world only, and he was far from one-dimensional. Dimension comes from characterization, not from the evil plans. You have no idea how personal this will be. None of us do.

[SuperDaniel]

If the character stops working and they've exhausted what can be told with such a bland character, then it's the character's fault. They tried the respectable business front. They tried it for almost two decades. They found it didn't work.


Actually, that's a lot like the Luthor in Superboy. And Luthor in the comics WAS about conquering the world. Why do you think he ran for President?


No. We have a Luthor, who by the quotes we have read the character says in the film by set reports and interviews, is jealous of Superman. He is jealous of Superman's power. Also, he resents how much humans have come to depend on an alien. How is that one dimensional?
Luthor is just seen as evil. 1 Dimensional.

[skruloos]

In post-crisis, people dont know he is evil. People love Lex Luthor. Thats very diferent than the usual bad guy....
A) Everyone knows Lex is evil now. The "puppet master" Lex was boring and too much like the Kingpin. They reverted him back to how he was.

B)The only difference to you is not the characterization then. It's how the public percieves him. That doesn't make the character more complex. It's called having a front, something that a lot of villains have. It's something people in the real world do. It's nothing new and not all that unusual.

[SuperDaniel]

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[SuperDaniel]

A) Everyone knows Lex is evil now. The "puppet master" Lex was boring and too much like the Kingpin. They reverted him back to how he was.

B)The only difference to you is not the characterization then. It's how the public percieves him. That doesn't make the character more complex. It's called having a front, something that a lot of villains have. It's something people in the real world do. It's nothing new and not all that unusual.
And thats make him much a much more interesting villain to Superman, who is also loved by all.

[MatchesMalone]

Back to pre-crisis.Back to the stupid, 1 dimensional type.

Dead-set in your ways. Have you even tried reading a new issue? Lex in the One Year Later first issue is quite good. Very, very excellent.

[skruloos]

Luthor is just seen as evil. 1 Dimensional.
And yet you don't really explain how and why it's all that different from what you understand Post-Crisis to be.

Seems to me that all the actions that Spacey's Luthor takes is something that you Post-Crisis Luthor would do, right down to the Kryptonite shiv in Superman's back. The only difference, in your mind, is that Luthor won't have a public front. But it seems to me that he DOES have a public front. It's why he can have a mansion, a yacht, and a rich girlfriend. Wouldn't that be an atttempt at respectabilty?

[skruloos]

And thats make him much a much more interesting villain to Superman, who is also loved by all.
Interesting? No. Not really. It makes him a Kingpin rip-off.

[skruloos]

Back to pre-crisis.Back to the stupid, 1 dimensional type.
What do you care? You don't read comics anyway, right? He's back to how he was. How he should be and the Lex you know is just a footnote in the character's history.

[SuperDaniel]

And yet you don't really explain how and why it's all that different from what you understand Post-Crisis to be.

Seems to me that all the actions that Spacey's Luthor takes is something that you Post-Crisis Luthor would do, right down to the Kryptonite shiv in Superman's back. The only difference, in your mind, is that Luthor won't have a public front. But it seems to me that he DOES have a public front. It's why he can have a mansion, a yacht, and a rich girlfriend. Wouldn't that be an atttempt at respectabilty?
Having a company who employs thousands of people in Metropolis is way different than have a mansion, yatch and pretty girlfriends...

[MatchesMalone]

And yet you don't really explain how and why it's all that different from what you understand Post-Crisis to be.

Seems to me that all the actions that Spacey's Luthor takes is something that you Post-Crisis Luthor would do, right down to the Kryptonite shiv in Superman's back. The only difference, in your mind, is that Luthor won't have a public front. But it seems to me that he DOES have a public front. It's why he can have a mansion, a yacht, and a rich girlfriend. Wouldn't that be an atttempt at respectabilty?

Not to mention the quotes from Perry White: "Three things sell newspapers; Sex, Violence, and Superman." "What about Lex Luthor?" "Luthor? He's yesterday's news."

Lex is coming back in a big way, to show the world that they should not have forgotten him.

[skruloos]

Having a company who employs thousands of people in Metropolis is way different than have a mansion, yatch and pretty girlfriends...
Not really. They are both different versions of having a respectable lifestyle and it's a far cry from the Luthor who lived underground in StM. They're both facades to hide what they really are.

[Showtime]

And yet you don't really explain how and why it's all that different from what you understand Post-Crisis to be.

Seems to me that all the actions that Spacey's Luthor takes is something that you Post-Crisis Luthor would do, right down to the Kryptonite shiv in Superman's back. The only difference, in your mind, is that Luthor won't have a public front. But it seems to me that he DOES have a public front. It's why he can have a mansion, a yacht, and a rich girlfriend. Wouldn't that be an atttempt at respectabilty?

Very good point.

[Oldguy]

I knew panic would set it. We don't know what she is going to end up doing. I think she will be more of a challenge to Lex than Eve T. was.

We all know that she won't be saving Superman in this one.

Posey said. "He wants to destroy the world, and she doesn't want to," she said. "She [has] much more conscience about the world around her. She is into pretty things and money, but Kitty has a heart. And, yes, she has a change of heart. ... She is torn between materialism and love, but Kitty kind of wakes up. It's cool."

KK won't be evil llike Lex, she'll have a change of heart between materialism and love, but she'll wake up in the end. Some how I don't think she's going to wake up to choose materialism. Oh no, she won't be saving Superman at all.

Showcase, I respect your level headed approach to this project, but I think you are letting the fan take over here. I want a great Superman movie too, but just because there is going to be a new movie in june doesn't automatically mean it's going to be great.

How am I so sure it's not going to be you ask yourself? It's not going to be a GREAT movie because it's going to be a complete rehash of StM. Sure some of the surface details have been updated, but this movie will share all the same mechanics and twists that made StM the movie it was.

KK is going to be E. Teschmacher, Luthor will be Hackman, Kumar will be Otis, and Routh will be Reeve. Sure their portrayals will be darker, grittier versions to fit in the the mean times of the 21st century, but not enough to distinguish this movie from anything other than a rehash of StM, because the WB and Singer are too chicken**** to create origional content.

CK will arrive from Krypton, be nurtured by Ma Kent, move to Metropolis, reunite with DP staff, reveal Superman presence to the world through super-feat, Luthor will be arroused from his hole in the ground, plot and scheme revenge, travel to FoS to get the means to destroy Superman, CK-LL-RP-J? love square weirdness will insue(your only source of innovation, yay) Luthor aquires means to enact plan, and does so, Superman attemps to intercede, gets depowered from kryptonite, KK has a change of heart, Superman repowered in time to save the day.

Oh wait, I forgot in this one Lex Luthor is raising a continent instead of sinking one, oh of course, how short sighted of me to not recognize such vibrant innovation.

SR is a vague remake, and as Bruce Lee said, nobody ever aquires a taste for diluted wine, means that only the basest of simpletons are going to be wowed by amazing special effects and walk out thinking this was a great movie.

Of course I could be wrong, I'll be here on July 1 to admit I was wrong if I am, but I ****ing doubt it. Most likely the thread is going to be titled I told you so...

[dark_b]

i have to agree with oldguy. maybe we are wrong. maybe there is something more of this movie. but if you look at it with the info we got now it looks like a remake.and dont get me wrong. it is not a remake movie. i am also happy that we are getting a new movei. i like a lot of stuff.
but i also got a feeling that singer is so obssesed with donners superman movie that he has to make everything a homage. well not everything but a lot. to much IMO.

[Showtime]

Posey said. "He wants to destroy the world, and she doesn't want to," she said. "She [has] much more conscience about the world around her. She is into pretty things and money, but Kitty has a heart. And, yes, she has a change of heart. ... She is torn between materialism and love, but Kitty kind of wakes up. It's cool."

KK won't be evil llike Lex, she'll have a change of heart between materialism and love, but she'll wake up in the end. Some how I don't think she's going to wake up to choose materialism. Oh no, she won't be saving Superman at all.

Showcase, I respect your level headed approach to this project, but I think you are letting the fan take over here. I want a great Superman movie too, but just because there is going to be a new movie in june doesn't automatically mean it's going to be great.

How am I so sure it's not going to be you ask yourself? It's not going to be a GREAT movie because it's going to be a complete rehash of StM. Sure some of the surface details have been updated, but this movie will share all the same mechanics and twists that made StM the movie it was.

KK is going to be E. Teschmacher, Luthor will be Hackman, Kumar will be Otis, and Routh will be Reeve. Sure their portrayals will be darker, grittier versions to fit in the the mean times of the 21st century, but not enough to distinguish this movie from anything other than a rehash of StM, because the WB and Singer are too chicken**** to create origional content.

CK will arrive from Krypton, be nurtured by Ma Kent, move to Metropolis, reunite with DP staff, reveal Superman presence to the world through super-feat, Luthor will be arroused from his hole in the ground, plot and scheme revenge, travel to FoS to get the means to destroy Superman, CK-LL-RP-J? love square weirdness will insue(your only source of innovation, yay) Luthor aquires means to enact plan, and does so, Superman attemps to intercede, gets depowered from kryptonite, KK has a change of heart, Superman repowered in time to save the day.

Oh wait, I forgot in this one Lex Luthor is raising a continent instead of sinking one, oh of course, how short sighted of me to not recognize such vibrant innovation.

SR is a vague remake, and as Bruce Lee said, nobody ever aquires a taste for diluted wine, means that only the basest of simpletons are going to be wowed by amazing special effects and walk out thinking this was a great movie.

Of course I could be wrong, I'll be here on July 1 to admit I was wrong if I am, but I ****ing doubt it. Most likely the thread is going to be titled I told you so...

Oldguy! I could kiss you. I love the Showcase nickname, I should have used that instead of Showtime. I didn't say the movie was going to be great, I just know a little bit more about the project than you do, and I know that Kitty is not going to be saving Superman.

Glad to see you back. :ghost:

[Oldguy]

Oldguy! I could kiss you. I love the Showcase nickname, I should have used that instead of Showtime. I didn't say the movie was going to be great, I just know a little bit more about the project than you do, and I know that Kitty is not going to be saving Superman.

Glad to see you back. :ghost:

LoL Showcase, honest mistake man. But the love is there bro, trust me. Yer in the know eh? Well I'll buy that fer a dollar, you are an exceptionally stand up guy, so you can have the benefit of my doubt fer sure.

KK not saving Superman aside, I am terribly worried that SR is going to be too much of an hommage for my tastes. This news about KK, well that she's not so evil and has a change of heart etc, is a scary red light going off fer me.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

well if its a homage movie... think of it as an updated version.

:)

[Showtime]

LoL Showcase, honest mistake man. But the love is there bro, trust me. Yer in the know eh? Well I'll buy that fer a dollar, you are an exceptionally stand up guy, so you can have the benefit of my doubt fer sure.

KK not saving Superman aside, I am terribly worried that SR is going to be too much of an hommage for my tastes. This news about KK, well that she's not so evil and has a change of heart etc, is a scary red light going off fer me.

In all honesty, I am not in the know whatsoever! I just happen to know that particular point for a fact, and that another character "saves" Superman. Of course I wouldn't bet my life on it, because I didn't see it with my own eyes.

I am not as quick to judge, only because I can't fill in those pieces in the middle quite yet. I can see your concerns and I agreed that it has elements of an origin, Donner's origin, in a previous discussion we had months back.

I think the KK thing revolves more around her taking a stand against Lex, and turning into more of a Lois type character. If she is going to save anybody, it might actually be Lois herself.

[The Sage]

Never read those but i really don`t like Pre-crisis that much and i don`t read comics anymore. But i actually think thats stupid cause i don`t like the Luthor who loves humans or mankind. I like the Luthor who is greedy and wants more money. Why? Because thats the world we live nowadays.


You should read them, they're very good.

Lex Luthor, a villain who is just greedy and wants more money? I can see that being a motivation, but not the main one. Otherwise he'll be boring like a B-villain.

There has to be more to it. Think about Goldeneye's Alec Trevelyan. Yeah his scheme was almost like common bank robbery. However, it's more. It's revenge for his past, revenge for the betrayal of England. Not just money.

Lex has to be the same way. The billionnaire Lex's scheme can't be always be about money. Why? Because he already has a lot of it. I think Lex, no matter whether he's Pre-Crisis or Post-Crisis, wants something more. Despite feeling he's above everyone, he wants respect and reverance. He doesn't want anyone to be thought as being bigger than him. That's why Lex challenged Superman in STM. That's why he challenged him in SFAS. And that's why he'll challenge him in SR. He loves money, but he loves reputation more, and he can't stand it to have someone else higher than him.

"The Gods are selfish beings who fly around in red capes and don't share their power with mankind."


I love it in the cartoon, but not in a serious movie. I don`t understand the other mentions. Thats not Lex Luthor. I don`t think Luthor should be like Intergang or Metallo. Duh!

You said want Lex to just be greedy and want more money. Isn't that what Intergang wants? You also mentioned Lex having a gang that outright attacks Metropolis, which Metallo and Intergang have done.

[Octoberist]

I mean, why do an homage if you could do your own take on Superman?

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

hmm.. maybe they should have done something different..People need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy and i can not do that as ROBOCOP,as a man i'm flesh and blood i can be ignored or desroyed..but as a cyborg..i could be incorruptable..everlasting..

;)

To answer your question..yes iwould have still used the donner movies as a guide..

:up:

[The Sage]

Back to pre-crisis.Back to the stupid, 1 dimensional type.

You joking? Have you even read Elliott Maggin's stories with Lex Luthor in them? Very three-dimensional. Maggin's the guy who said Lex Luthor would've been the greatest scientist, millionnaire, or good guy if Superman had never shown up.

One-dimensional is a villain who's just greedy and wants money.

[The Sage]

LoL Showcase, honest mistake man. But the love is there bro, trust me. Yer in the know eh? Well I'll buy that fer a dollar, you are an exceptionally stand up guy, so you can have the benefit of my doubt fer sure.

KK not saving Superman aside, I am terribly worried that SR is going to be too much of an hommage for my tastes. This news about KK, well that she's not so evil and has a change of heart etc, is a scary red light going off fer me.

Hey man! What's up? Still reading All-Star Superman?:up:

[green]

I mean, why do an homage if you could do your own take on Superman?


You mean one where Krypton doesn't explode, Luthor is Kryptonian, the suit comes in a can and Jimmy is gay?


I'll take the homage.

[Showtime]

I think alot of you have to remember that we don't know the "entire" story. We can't find out if it is a good or bad movie until we actually see it. It has nothing with me trying to "champion" the movie because it's Superman or some weird loyalty to Brian Singer.

I want all the facts spread in front of me before I judge something. I don't want to try to piece together a storyline by filling in the blanks and then fret or jump for joy over it. I try my best to stay down the middle

I just appreciate movies in general. I am more a movie fan than I am a Superman fan any day of the week.

[Showtime]

hmm.. maybe they should have done something different..People need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy and i can not do that as ROBOCOP,as a man i'm flesh and blood i can be ignored or desroyed..but as a cyborg..i could be incorruptable..everlasting..

;)

To answer your question..yes iwould have still used the donner movies as a guide..

:up:

I wouldn't have. I had a whole story that I would have ran with if I was given a chance (HA HA).

[MatchesMalone]

Posey said. "He wants to destroy the world, and she doesn't want to," she said. "She [has] much more conscience about the world around her. She is into pretty things and money, but Kitty has a heart. And, yes, she has a change of heart. ... She is torn between materialism and love, but Kitty kind of wakes up. It's cool."

KK won't be evil llike Lex, she'll have a change of heart between materialism and love, but she'll wake up in the end. Some how I don't think she's going to wake up to choose materialism. Oh no, she won't be saving Superman at all.

Showcase, I respect your level headed approach to this project, but I think you are letting the fan take over here. I want a great Superman movie too, but just because there is going to be a new movie in june doesn't automatically mean it's going to be great.

How am I so sure it's not going to be you ask yourself? It's not going to be a GREAT movie because it's going to be a complete rehash of StM. Sure some of the surface details have been updated, but this movie will share all the same mechanics and twists that made StM the movie it was.

KK is going to be E. Teschmacher, Luthor will be Hackman, Kumar will be Otis, and Routh will be Reeve. Sure their portrayals will be darker, grittier versions to fit in the the mean times of the 21st century, but not enough to distinguish this movie from anything other than a rehash of StM, because the WB and Singer are too chicken**** to create origional content.

CK will arrive from Krypton, be nurtured by Ma Kent, move to Metropolis, reunite with DP staff, reveal Superman presence to the world through super-feat, Luthor will be arroused from his hole in the ground, plot and scheme revenge, travel to FoS to get the means to destroy Superman, CK-LL-RP-J? love square weirdness will insue(your only source of innovation, yay) Luthor aquires means to enact plan, and does so, Superman attemps to intercede, gets depowered from kryptonite, KK has a change of heart, Superman repowered in time to save the day.

Oh wait, I forgot in this one Lex Luthor is raising a continent instead of sinking one, oh of course, how short sighted of me to not recognize such vibrant innovation.

SR is a vague remake, and as Bruce Lee said, nobody ever aquires a taste for diluted wine, means that only the basest of simpletons are going to be wowed by amazing special effects and walk out thinking this was a great movie.

Of course I could be wrong, I'll be here on July 1 to admit I was wrong if I am, but I ****ing doubt it. Most likely the thread is going to be titled I told you so...

You say that as if it is some kind of horrible, horrible thing. To me it is not. Sorry you'll be disappointed. Kinda.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

^^

with polar bear protecters...and a giant spider.

;)

[Octoberist]

honestly, either way I look at it, i'm still worried about Kitty.

I'm all for light humor, but I'll be dissapointed if there's blanant slapstick (Otis moving the ladder while Lex is still hanging on, Ottis messing up the codes for the missles). It worked back then, but not now in this post- Batman & Robin world.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

^^^

thats not going to happen..its not in singers style.

[MatchesMalone]

honestly, either way I look at it, i'm still worried about Kitty.

I'm all for light humor, but I'll be dissapointed if there's blanant slapstick (Otis moving the ladder while Lex is still hanging on, Ottis messing up the codes for the missles). It worked back then, but not now in this post- Batman & Robin world.

Oh, please. I call bull**** on that. Funny is funny, and Batman and Robin has nothing to do with it.

I guess The Incredibles did horribly, then? That was as real a super-hero story as any I've ever seen.

[Octoberist]

Oh please. The Incredibles worked fine.

I'm just saying IF and ONLY IF Singer went for the same slapstick humor that Donner had in his movies, it may or may not work for this movie.

I know that you're a fan of Luthor and his cronies (i'm not) so I can't win. I still love Superman: The Movie, but to me, the villians were the weakest links.

[Metropolis_Man]

Maybe Superman gets his cape stuck in a door and can't fly away at first? Haha

[lujho]

Superman 3 didn't have Lex Luthor in it.


Yes it did, it's just that his name was different and Gene Hackman didn't play him. I'd be very surprised if the role wasn't originally written as Luthor and changed for some reason involving Hackman.

[Metropolis_Man]

Yes it did, it's just that his name was different and Gene Hackman didn't play him. I'd be very surprised if the role wasn't originally written as Luthor and changed for some reason involving Hackman.

Agreed it was just more of the LexCorp type Luthor. I wouldnt doubt either if it was written for Hackman and he decided not to do the third movie.

[SuperDaniel]

Thats what i think too, Oldguy. Superman Returns is a disguised Superman the movie. And that`s what i`m afraid of. But i think there will be some nice moments like Superman returning to Krypton. Thats something new. I hope they focus a lot in the "World Without Superman" theme, not just some flashbacks or newspaper headlines. I wanna see the lack of hope and Superman restauring it by the end of the movie. If this thing doesnt work, the movie will be such a disappointment...

[Showtime]

He'll be returning before the end of it.

[Showtime]

I agree though, I would like to actually see the world without him.

[dpm07]

Posey said. "He wants to destroy the world, and she doesn't want to," she said. "She [has] much more conscience about the world around her. She is into pretty things and money, but Kitty has a heart. And, yes, she has a change of heart. ... She is torn between materialism and love, but Kitty kind of wakes up. It's cool."

KK won't be evil llike Lex, she'll have a change of heart between materialism and love, but she'll wake up in the end. Some how I don't think she's going to wake up to choose materialism. Oh no, she won't be saving Superman at all.

Showcase, I respect your level headed approach to this project, but I think you are letting the fan take over here. I want a great Superman movie too, but just because there is going to be a new movie in june doesn't automatically mean it's going to be great.

How am I so sure it's not going to be you ask yourself? It's not going to be a GREAT movie because it's going to be a complete rehash of StM. Sure some of the surface details have been updated, but this movie will share all the same mechanics and twists that made StM the movie it was.

KK is going to be E. Teschmacher, Luthor will be Hackman, Kumar will be Otis, and Routh will be Reeve. Sure their portrayals will be darker, grittier versions to fit in the the mean times of the 21st century, but not enough to distinguish this movie from anything other than a rehash of StM, because the WB and Singer are too chicken**** to create origional content.

CK will arrive from Krypton, be nurtured by Ma Kent, move to Metropolis, reunite with DP staff, reveal Superman presence to the world through super-feat, Luthor will be arroused from his hole in the ground, plot and scheme revenge, travel to FoS to get the means to destroy Superman, CK-LL-RP-J? love square weirdness will insue(your only source of innovation, yay) Luthor aquires means to enact plan, and does so, Superman attemps to intercede, gets depowered from kryptonite, KK has a change of heart, Superman repowered in time to save the day.

Oh wait, I forgot in this one Lex Luthor is raising a continent instead of sinking one, oh of course, how short sighted of me to not recognize such vibrant innovation.

SR is a vague remake, and as Bruce Lee said, nobody ever aquires a taste for diluted wine, means that only the basest of simpletons are going to be wowed by amazing special effects and walk out thinking this was a great movie.

Of course I could be wrong, I'll be here on July 1 to admit I was wrong if I am, but I ****ing doubt it. Most likely the thread is going to be titled I told you so...

This was a truly epic post. I agree with you on everything you stated. :up:

[DavidTyler]

I would have been thrilled if she had been more like 'Mercy' from TAS.

It would have made Lex seem more powerful.

[Showtime]

^Explain how having Mercy involved in the storyline would make Lex more powerful?

[Matt]

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=35285

Superman's Posey Talks Kitty

Parker Posey, who will star opposite Kevin Spacey in Bryan Singer's upcoming Superman Returns, told SCI FI Wire her role as Lex Luthor's girlfriend builds on a similar character in Richard Donner's original Superman movie. At a party for her latest film, Adam & Steve, Posey said in an interview that she gets to wear stylish clothes and carry a Pomeranian pup through most of her Superman scenes as Kitty Kowalski, girlfriend to Spacey's Lex Luthor.

The role is similar to the part of Eve Teschmacher in Donner's movie. "I'm in the Valerie Perrine part from the original movie," Posey said. "She is ... the girlfriend of Lex, and of course, he wants to take over the world."

But the character is less evil than one would expect, Posey said. "He wants to destroy the world, and she doesn't want to," she said. "She [has] much more conscience about the world around her. She is into pretty things and money, but Kitty has a heart. And, yes, she has a change of heart. ... She is torn between materialism and love, but Kitty kind of wakes up. It's cool." Superman Returns opens June 30. —Mike Szymanski

Could this be any more of a Miss Teschmacher rip off?

[Matt]

Posey said. "He wants to destroy the world, and she doesn't want to," she said. "She [has] much more conscience about the world around her. She is into pretty things and money, but Kitty has a heart. And, yes, she has a change of heart. ... She is torn between materialism and love, but Kitty kind of wakes up. It's cool."

KK won't be evil llike Lex, she'll have a change of heart between materialism and love, but she'll wake up in the end. Some how I don't think she's going to wake up to choose materialism. Oh no, she won't be saving Superman at all.

Showcase, I respect your level headed approach to this project, but I think you are letting the fan take over here. I want a great Superman movie too, but just because there is going to be a new movie in june doesn't automatically mean it's going to be great.

How am I so sure it's not going to be you ask yourself? It's not going to be a GREAT movie because it's going to be a complete rehash of StM. Sure some of the surface details have been updated, but this movie will share all the same mechanics and twists that made StM the movie it was.

KK is going to be E. Teschmacher, Luthor will be Hackman, Kumar will be Otis, and Routh will be Reeve. Sure their portrayals will be darker, grittier versions to fit in the the mean times of the 21st century, but not enough to distinguish this movie from anything other than a rehash of StM, because the WB and Singer are too chicken**** to create origional content.

CK will arrive from Krypton, be nurtured by Ma Kent, move to Metropolis, reunite with DP staff, reveal Superman presence to the world through super-feat, Luthor will be arroused from his hole in the ground, plot and scheme revenge, travel to FoS to get the means to destroy Superman, CK-LL-RP-J? love square weirdness will insue(your only source of innovation, yay) Luthor aquires means to enact plan, and does so, Superman attemps to intercede, gets depowered from kryptonite, KK has a change of heart, Superman repowered in time to save the day.

Oh wait, I forgot in this one Lex Luthor is raising a continent instead of sinking one, oh of course, how short sighted of me to not recognize such vibrant innovation.

SR is a vague remake, and as Bruce Lee said, nobody ever aquires a taste for diluted wine, means that only the basest of simpletons are going to be wowed by amazing special effects and walk out thinking this was a great movie.

Of course I could be wrong, I'll be here on July 1 to admit I was wrong if I am, but I ****ing doubt it. Most likely the thread is going to be titled I told you so...

Bravo Oldguy. What sickens me is seeing fans make excuses such as "Well maybe she is the Mercy from TAS!" even though she is described exactly as E.T.. It as if they are trying to justify everything Singer does.

[Matt]

By the way, does the entire "Luthor wants to destroy the world" quote bother anyone else?

[SolidSnakeMGS]

What sickens me is the haters already making an ASSUMPTION when the film isn't even out yet. You do NOT know it is an E.T. ripoff and trying to come to this half-ass conclusion just to try and prove some "fanboys" wrong is beyond sad.

[Scooter]

What sickens me is the haters already making an ASSUMPTION when the film isn't even out yet. You do NOT know it is an E.T. ripoff and trying to come to this half-ass conclusion just to try and prove some "fanboys" wrong is beyond sad.

And you don't know it isn't - at least the "haters" have something to base their assumptions on.

[Scooter]

By the way, does the entire "Luthor wants to destroy the world" quote bother anyone else?

Where's he gonna live?

:)

[SolidSnakeMGS]

And you don't know it isn't - at least the "haters" have something to base their assumptions on.

Didn't say I didn't. However, I'm not turning it into something to rub into the faces of "fanboys" just for the sake of doing so.

And pray tell what they have to base this assumption on? You know, the dim gold-digging bimbo that may or may not have a change of heart isn't necessarily an original or unique character.

[Scooter]

And pray tell what they have to base this assumption on? You know, the dim gold-digging bimbo that may or may not have a change of heart isn't necessarily an original or unique character.

Uhm...

Superman's Posey Talks Kitty

Parker Posey, who will star opposite Kevin Spacey in Bryan Singer's upcoming Superman Returns, told SCI FI Wire her role as Lex Luthor's girlfriend builds on a similar character in Richard Donner's original Superman movie. At a party for her latest film, Adam & Steve, Posey said in an interview that she gets to wear stylish clothes and carry a Pomeranian pup through most of her Superman scenes as Kitty Kowalski, girlfriend to Spacey's Lex Luthor.

The role is similar to the part of Eve Teschmacher in Donner's movie. "I'm in the Valerie Perrine part from the original movie," Posey said. "She is ... the girlfriend of Lex, and of course, he wants to take over the world."

But the character is less evil than one would expect, Posey said. "He wants to destroy the world, and she doesn't want to," she said. "She [has] much more conscience about the world around her. She is into pretty things and money, but Kitty has a heart. And, yes, she has a change of heart. ... She is torn between materialism and love, but Kitty kind of wakes up. It's cool." Superman Returns opens June 30. —Mike Szymanski

[green]

the dim gold-digging bimbo that may or may not have a change of heart isn't necessarily an original or unique character.

I believe Kitty was actually rich before Lex, the reason he's dating her is for her money...so techinically she's not a gold digger.

Which is another way the two are different. Luthor didn't need Tessmacher around, he needs Kitty for her money.

That fact will be wasted on several people though who just want to jump to the ASSumption that Singer is just an uninspired rip-off artist.

[Matt]

Uhm...

Yea, everything he posted sums it up.

[Matt]

Where's he gonna live?

:)

Heheh his flying continent maybe?

Destroy the world plots are so stupid. And to my knowledge Lex Luthor has had many incarnations over the years, but I cannot once think of a Lex Luthor who wanted to destroy the world.

Hopefully she was just speaking in generalities.

[explode7]

Where's he gonna live?

:)

At the SCOOTER store on mars:)

[Mentok]

CRAP! I missed OLDGUY again :(

[SingItWithMeNow]

Pomeranian Pup?

[Octoberist]

Like what I said before, a character like Kitty could work out in the 70s or 80s, because there were no 'standards' in superhero movies. Hell I liked Donner's Superman.

But I feel that Kitty may or may not be the "Jar Jar" of Superman Returns. I doubt she'll be super annoying, but deep down I would rather not have a character like her. I'm being very judgmental, I know.....but I want a more serious side villain.

[MatchesMalone]

I love that Oldguy's back because there's stuff to ***** about again. That must have been a tough couple of months there for ya!

Regarding everything in this thread: screw you all, I'm getting what I want. :)

[Oldguy]

Hey man! What's up? Still reading All-Star Superman?:up:

Indeed I am, DC is makin me very happy these days, with all the goin ons. Hurley is bat**** crazy. Oops, watchin Lost.:)

[Oldguy]

Heheh his flying continent maybe?

Destroy the world plots are so stupid. And to my knowledge Lex Luthor has had many incarnations over the years, but I cannot once think of a Lex Luthor who wanted to destroy the world.

Hopefully she was just speaking in generalities.

WTF!!??!!!

Luthor's goal is to destroy the world?

[MatchesMalone]

WTF!!??!!!

Luthor's goal is to destroy the world?

No. As stated time and time again in all official press releases, Luthor's goal is to "render Superman powerless once and for all."

This is Parker Posey answering questions quickly for a one-paragraph interview. Kinda like Katie Holmes confirming on camera that there would be a Green Day song tie-in for Batman Begins.

[Scooter]

Regarding everything in this thread: screw you all, I'm getting what I want. :)

But you already got that, 20 years ago. I want a turn!

:)

[MatchesMalone]

But you already got that, 20 years ago. I want a turn!

:)

Go watch Smallville!