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By your Command
04-05-2006, 07:00 PM
Yet when Cyclops kisses his fiance, he dies...

Ursavior01
04-05-2006, 07:04 PM
I've already seen the first and second tv spot on MTV today. Still waiting to see if the third one will appear.

superkong 500
04-05-2006, 07:04 PM
Hey question about one of the clips. It may have been asked earlier, but I don't feel like searching though this thread. When the X-men are lined up and you see the shot of Wolverine breathing hard and his claws, does it look like Magneto is moving his claws and adamantium? Possibly the reason for him breathing so hard?

No his claws seem to move but its just hugh moving his hand,in the transition between that shot and the next, as the shot is fading away you can see logans gloved fingers moving, as for the hard breathing is just him ansious before battle, if it was magneto moving the adamantium you would see him in pain, and that's not the case the expression in logans face on that shot is one of concentration and anxiety, the cold well possibly its cold at night in SF or storm is charging up or something.

btw did you guys noticed the cool move of wolverine slashing that guy in the woods, that move was taken out of the comics, Iam beggining to see the moves fro mthe comics that hugh jackman mentioned on that interview of the fight choreography.

migs
04-05-2006, 07:05 PM
http://www.thefatmiggy.org/xmentv150.jpg

gap5ewl
04-05-2006, 07:06 PM
I've already seen the first and second tv spot on MTV today. Still waiting to see if the third one will appear.
well look who decided to post lol

Aiden
04-05-2006, 07:06 PM
That would make a cool gif. Just Juggernaut watching her going up and down.

"Kitty goes up, Kitty goes down"

migs
04-05-2006, 07:06 PM
what happend to people when they get phased into stuff by kitty. Do they simply get stuck, or does it mess with their innards?

lordofthenerds
04-05-2006, 07:09 PM
what happend to people when they get phased into stuff by kitty. Do they simply get stuck, or does it mess with their innards?
How can Kitty even phase people into stuff?

WorthyStevens
04-05-2006, 07:10 PM
How can Kitty even phase people into stuff?

I always figured it was like she could 'take over people's bodies' when she phased them.

lordofthenerds
04-05-2006, 07:12 PM
I always figured it was like she could 'take over people's bodies' when she phased them.
That a little weird. I wonder how they'll translate that on screen.

migs
04-05-2006, 07:13 PM
How can Kitty even phase people into stuff?

Shadowcat possesses the ability to "phase" or literally pass through solid matter by passing her atoms through the spaces between the atoms of the object through which she is moving. Utilizing her phasing ability, she can also walk on air. While phasing, she is intangible and thus invulnerable to physical attacks and telepaths have a hard time reaching her mind in phased form. However the density of adamantium proves deleterious to her phasing, causing her to be severely disoriented if she tries to pass through adamantium or adamantium passes through her. Her phasing powers also disrupt any electronic equipment she passes through. For some time after she discovered her powers, she was only able to phase herself and her clothes along with her. However, she quickly learned to phase other people and objects with her.


from wikipedia

WorthyStevens
04-05-2006, 07:14 PM
That a little weird. I wonder how they'll translate that on screen.

Yeah. It's a very hard ability to transfer to the big screen, but so far, it looks good regardless.

Storm22
04-05-2006, 07:16 PM
I wonder what kind of sound effect Kitty's phasing will have, same as X2? Also do you think there'll be any more TV spots, maybe after the final teaser comes out? Maybe we'll get an X-Men names trailer and a Brotherhood names trailer.

josh8
04-05-2006, 07:17 PM
But I'm saying we already had teamwork.

X-Men:

-Cyclops flies the X-Jet while Storm creates a storm to keep the X-Jet from being visible to security.

-Storm uses a tornado to lift Wolverine to Magneto's machine, while Jean Grey stabalizes him, and Cyclops shoots Magneto with his optic blast to break Magneto's hold on Wolverine so that he can destroy the machine.

X2:

-Storm flying the X-Jet, creating tornadoes to try to get away from the Air Force pilots, and Jean Grey uses her telekinetic ability to get rid of the missles that were shot at them.

-Mystique breaks into Stryker's base to turn off the security mechanisms so that the X-Men can enter the base. Mystique, Magneto, and Jean Grey split up to stop Cerebro while Storm and Nightcrawler team up to save the children. Using multiple members of a party to accomplish numerous tasks at once is the epitome of teamwork.

I'm sorry it wasn't like Fantastic 4 where The Thing breaks a fire hydrant, Mr. Fantastic manipulates his body to direct the water towards Doom, while Johnny Storm creates a SuperNova and Sue traps Doom in a forcefield...

It's still teamwork.

i dont disagree that we havent seen teamwork. but we havent seen the x-men get to fight others so directly. unless you count getting their asses handed to them fighting.

i think two events in x2 sum up my thoughts:

(1) cyclops getting whooped by deathstrike in 0.01 seconds.

(2) logan fighting deathstrike for about 2+ minutes.

ok, so that's not exactly representative of all the fights (toad vs. storm, cyke vs. security guard, storm vs. sabretooth), but they didnt really do much battling.

migs
04-05-2006, 07:17 PM
i like this one too
someone's getting owned by some lightning:up:
http://www.thefatmiggy.org/xmentv163.jpg

WorthyStevens
04-05-2006, 07:19 PM
I wonder what kind of sound effect Kitty's phasing will have, same as X2? Also do you think there'll be any more TV spots, maybe after the final teaser comes out? Maybe we'll get an X-Men names trailer and a Brotherhood names trailer.

Oh, there'll be TONS. I can guarantee that. I'm not sure if they'll be different from the ones we've already seen though.

From now until sometime in June, we'll get bombarded with those.

Storm22
04-05-2006, 07:20 PM
Oh, there'll be TONS. I can guarantee that. From now until sometime in June, we'll be bombarded with those.

Coola boola!:up:
I'm not too fond of those lightning bolt FX, I'd say/hope there not finished FX yet.

Aiden
04-05-2006, 07:21 PM
I just hope the TV spots dont get too spoilery

not too fond of those lightning bolt FX.
They're unfinished. The ones that looked finished was when Storm was hovering in mid-air

gap5ewl
04-05-2006, 07:23 PM
Coola boola!:up:
I'm not too fond of those lightning bolt FX, I'd say/hope there not finished FX yet.
there is still one month left

LastSunrise1981
04-05-2006, 07:24 PM
I just saw another TV spot on ESPN while waiting for the NBA game to come on.

Basically it's Storm spinning and creating a tornado at the same time, a creepy shot of Jean, and the X-Men formed in a line while preparing for the final battle.

It ends with a close up shot of Wolverine.

Aiden
04-05-2006, 07:25 PM
there is still one month leftIt seems like such a short time. I remember when it was teaser night and we had 5 months left.

I just saw another TV spot on ESPN while waiting for the NBA game to come on.



Basically it's Storm spinning and creating a tornado at the same time, a creepy shot of Jean, and the X-Men formed in a line while preparing for the final battle.



It ends with a close up shot of Wolverine.
Was it like TV Spot 3?

Storm22
04-05-2006, 07:26 PM
there is still one month left

I know but I hope they don't just focus on the big FX sequences. I hope they go throught the movie in detail and make little FX touch-ups where needed, ie. this lightning shot. I'm sure they will though.

LastSunrise1981
04-05-2006, 07:27 PM
It seems like such a short time. I remember when it was teaser night and we had 5 months left.


Was it like TV Spot 3?

To be honest I couldn't really tell you. I haven't seen any of the other ones, this was the first tv spot that I've seen.

liesse00
04-05-2006, 07:27 PM
The 2nd TV Spot seems to be getting most the air play I just saw it on CMT.

Aiden
04-05-2006, 07:28 PM
To be honest I couldn't really tell you. I haven't seen any of the other ones, this was the first tv spot that I've seen.Download them. They're amazing :up:

gap5ewl
04-05-2006, 07:28 PM
does anyone know what the name of that alar msounding music from the 2nd tv spot?

Aiden
04-05-2006, 07:29 PM
does anyone know what the name of that alarm sounding music from the 2nd tv spot?*cough*sentinelnoise*cough* :D :D

Telekinetic
04-05-2006, 07:33 PM
http://www.thefatmiggy.org/xmentv150.jpg

o that looks awsome. i just saw this one on mtv.

migs
04-05-2006, 07:36 PM
http://www.thefatmiggy.org/xmen3tv3104.jpg

so colossus is looking a little different this time around. I wonder if they will get into the fact that his hair metals up now and didn't before:confused:

americanguy96
04-05-2006, 07:44 PM
I love all three of these T.V. Spots highlights:

2nd T.V. Spot(one from House): Ok, so maybe it won't be this way in the movie, but the editing of having Jean and all her hair waving and then the shot of Storm(they are right after eachother, so to make it appear they are looking at one another, but who knows, it could just be editing). It makes it look like they will have the much wanted Jean vs. Storm fight!!! Let's hope it is true!

3rd T.V.Spot(ESPN): Wow, I loved that shot of Cyclops and the optic blast going into the water and then the massive wave of force coming back at him, amazing. Can't. wait. for. this. movie. any. longer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Banshee
04-05-2006, 07:47 PM
So I love this new footage, particularly the kitty scene like everyone else... but am I the only one who thinks Storm spinning all over the place looks a little silly? Not silly in the sense of fake, but the concept is a little silly?

Storm22
04-05-2006, 07:49 PM
not really no.

Halcohol
04-05-2006, 07:50 PM
So I love this new footage, particularly the kitty scene like everyone else... but am I the only one who thinks Storm spinning all over the place looks a little silly? Not silly in the sense of fake, but the concept is a little silly?
I agree right now. I haven't quite gotten on board with it, but that might change once I see the movie.

Seriously, what's with the spinning? Just fly straight already.

GothicPowerMix1
04-05-2006, 07:51 PM
No Spots so far during Bones :o Heck need something to watch before Lost comes on

Telekinetic
04-05-2006, 07:51 PM
i actually liked that part. this is a comic book movie, anything goes.

LostSon88
04-05-2006, 07:53 PM
I agree right now. I haven't quite gotten on board with it, but that might change once I see the movie.

Seriously, what's with the spinning? Just fly straight already.

Maybe you'll change your mind when you see it in context?

Personally I like the spinning moreso than her just flying straight...its like shes creating a little human tornado along with the lightning...:D

invincible mann
04-05-2006, 08:14 PM
aiden what is your definition of a proper Xmen movie ?
just curious

DarknessOfDeath
04-05-2006, 08:17 PM
WHO HOO! Got to see all 3 spots :D ARe there gonna be more?? :O

Maze
04-05-2006, 08:18 PM
That has maybe been already said , but just to show that it seem that the movie has a nice level of detail , did anyone saw that on spot 3 at 18 sec ,behind wolverine you can see Beast jumping on a car?

Sun_Down
04-05-2006, 08:19 PM
So I love this new footage, particularly the kitty scene like everyone else... but am I the only one who thinks Storm spinning all over the place looks a little silly? Not silly in the sense of fake, but the concept is a little silly?

I actually thought so when the teaser trailer came out, but I think now that we've seen more of it, it makes much more sense. To me, it just looks like she's completely letting loose with her wind powers and that'd pretty badass IMO.

Storm22
04-05-2006, 08:21 PM
I liked how they enhanced the Juggernaut smashing through walls sequence, the rubble looks more realistic now and they added some barrels infront of the wall too!

batfan1028
04-05-2006, 08:22 PM
If you look closely you can see someone run behind wolverine while he breaths hard in tv spot #2

migs
04-05-2006, 08:31 PM
If you look closely you can see someone run behind wolverine while he breaths hard in tv spot #2


it's either a random army guy or a stagehand.

Ursavior01
04-05-2006, 08:33 PM
gap5ewl,
You know me. I just pop in and out. :)

gap5ewl
04-05-2006, 08:38 PM
gap5ewl,
You know me. I just pop in and out. :)
yeah your very sporadic on these boards ;)

The Original Bamfer
04-05-2006, 08:45 PM
So, why can't I use the link and download the TV spot? It won't work... :(

Latin_Princess1
04-05-2006, 08:53 PM
Just Saw A Commercail Of X3 Wen Jean Was Kissin Scott She Opened Her Eyes N Look Evil!

usagicassidy
04-05-2006, 08:58 PM
I don't know if these are anywhere else...cause lord knows they could be. But I screencaped new footage:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/usagicassidy/Picture1.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/usagicassidy/Picture2.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/usagicassidy/Picture3.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/usagicassidy/Picture4.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/usagicassidy/Picture5.png

usagicassidy
04-05-2006, 08:58 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/usagicassidy/Picture6.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/usagicassidy/Picture7.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/usagicassidy/Picture8.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/usagicassidy/Picture9.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/usagicassidy/Picture10.png

usagicassidy
04-05-2006, 08:59 PM
Don't know why the four images turned out a bigger size...stupid photobucket


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/usagicassidy/Picture11.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/usagicassidy/Picture12.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/usagicassidy/Picture13.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/usagicassidy/Picture14.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/usagicassidy/Picture15.png

Storm22
04-05-2006, 09:00 PM
Cool, I've been waiting for some screencaps, thanks!

SingItWithMeNow
04-05-2006, 09:03 PM
http://www.thefatmiggy.org/xmen3tv3104.jpg

so colossus is looking a little different this time around. I wonder if they will get into the fact that his hair metals up now and didn't before:confused:

Is Ice Man getting ready for an Ice Slide there or what?

neemer5
04-05-2006, 09:04 PM
Is it just me, or does Storm have a bit of diarrhea face here?
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/65/storm7ix.png

SingItWithMeNow
04-05-2006, 09:08 PM
its just you

josh8
04-05-2006, 09:09 PM
i think iceman is falling back and grabbing hold of kitty (in a protective way). they look like they're all reacting to something, maybe a first strike from the brotherhood.

oh, and i saw the second spot on comedy central during chappelle show. that alarm sound is much more muted when on tv and it sounds much better (and less rediculous).

nightwing06
04-05-2006, 09:19 PM
I still feel they should have digitally inserted Colossus, instead of the metallic body part suit.

New Mutant
04-05-2006, 09:19 PM
'Scuse me but I can't d/l a dang thing, even though I get to the page. Whose kitten do I have to feed to the lion?

New Mutant
04-05-2006, 09:23 PM
Nevermind, I figured it out. Just closed the annoying-ass pop-up ADVERT. Next time, clue a bruvva in? I almost lost my monitor over it. :p

genufine
04-05-2006, 09:25 PM
i just dont thnk cyke will die. She'll do something TO him, but he'll comeback in the end. There was a shot of Wolverine, i think it looked like him screaming 'Scott!'. Myabe right about when Jeans gonna get killed by Cyke himself!

But these tv spots show that atleast cyke has something to do with the movie, and some dramatic moments!

However, I also want cyke to join battle with the X-MEN as their LEADER!

Leon_0
04-05-2006, 09:26 PM
Hunter Rider, Thanks alot for those media player clips ;) you thexy man you.

LostSon88
04-05-2006, 09:29 PM
i just dont thnk cyke will die. She'll do something TO him, but he'll comeback in the end. There was a shot of Wolverine, i think it looked like him screaming 'Scott!'. Myabe right about when Jeans gonna get killed by Cyke himself!

But these tv spots show that atleast cyke has something to do with the movie, and some dramatic moments!

However, I also want cyke to join battle with the X-MEN as their LEADER!

That would be the suprise of X3 for those of us who know the story if he indeed makes an appearance in the battle...however Logan I'd imagine that he'd say Cyclops as opposed to "Scott". Just an observation from X1, but whatever...

MoPlaYa
04-05-2006, 09:48 PM
Did anyone noticed that on the 3rd tv spot that they fixed Beast`s neck and collar in the X-Jet scene??

Darkie
04-05-2006, 09:55 PM
Is it just me, or does Storm have a bit of diarrhea face here?
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/65/storm7ix.png

hahahahaha :up::up:

New Mutant
04-05-2006, 10:06 PM
I noticed that it's Wolverine getting his snog on in that lab scene. Jean looks predatory, but it was Logan who moved in for the mouth.

GoldGoblin
04-05-2006, 10:15 PM
hey guys,

here's a link

http://latinoreview.com/news.php?id=469

gotta love those guys at Latino review

*hey Lightning....not too sure if this was worth opening a new thread....so you make the call if it should stay open

*************************
Here are Windows Media Versions:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Y7N2RH6Q
Spot 01

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=I6HGF6F2
Spot 02

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZFA9FVQP
Spot 03

^Can you make those for yousendit?

SingItWithMeNow
04-05-2006, 10:23 PM
Did anyone noticed that on the 3rd tv spot that they fixed Beast`s neck and collar in the X-Jet scene??

they can do that?

migs
04-05-2006, 10:25 PM
I noticed that it's Wolverine getting his snog on in that lab scene. Jean looks predatory, but it was Logan who moved in for the mouth.


I noticed that too. Pretty harsh if cyke has just been offed

migs
04-05-2006, 10:26 PM
also, it would seem that the media onslaught has begun. The one with logan and jean kissing in the lab just aired during the daily show on CC

Cyclops-Lives
04-05-2006, 10:27 PM
[quote=LostSon88]That would be the suprise of X3 for those of us who know the story if he indeed makes an appearance in the battle...however Logan I'd imagine that he'd say Cyclops as opposed to "Scott". Just an observation from X1, but whatever...[/q


Hi i'm new at this. But did you all notice when Jean is kissing cyclops his glasses are off.

SingItWithMeNow
04-05-2006, 10:28 PM
I noticed that too. Pretty harsh if cyke has just been offed

well, he is a wolf.

sort of.

Spidey 2007
04-05-2006, 10:32 PM
Did anyone noticed that on the 3rd tv spot that they fixed Beast`s neck and collar in the X-Jet scene??


ahhh holy sweeeeet....we need a screencap of that!! thats what worried me about beasts look a little bit, now that its fixed, i have virtually no worries!:up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :eek: :up:

the a1ant
04-05-2006, 10:34 PM
The commercials look AWESOME! :eek: My only gripe is that some things (special effects) look a bit unfinished, but they still have time. My only worry for this film was if they could get the special effects perfect with the time slot they have. I'm sure they will, I'm just being a lil meany :p! The golden gate bridge sequence should be mind-boggling. :up:

I'm so curious what they're gonna do with Phoenix. I wonder if we'll get a glimpse at the effect in the final trailer, or if it'll just be saved for the film?

onejeremytogo
04-05-2006, 10:38 PM
Hey guys..I just saw a FOURTH T.V. spot! I don't know what channel it was on or the music. I was a Chilis having dinner and the sound was off. I looked up and noticed so I watched to see which one it was and it was none of them. I came straight home and watched all 3 to make sure. It was basically a bunch of things from the others like the builiding busting into flames and pyro shooting them but it had the scene with Scott and Jean kissing but it was far off from a distance. NOT the close up you see in the other preview. Also it had the X-jet flying towards the sun and NOT directly infront of the screen. Oh and a different scene of wolverine. Same as the breathe scene but from a slightly different angle. Anyone else see this??

SingItWithMeNow
04-05-2006, 10:38 PM
unfinished? they CGIed the hell out of the storm spin scene, i think they even removed Juggernaut scurrying...

freshandclean
04-05-2006, 10:42 PM
I liked how they enhanced the Juggernaut smashing through walls sequence, the rubble looks more realistic now and they added some barrels infront of the wall too!

I agree. It's good to know that they're adding little touches to all the effects to make it stronger looking.

And I know everyone's going ga ga over the Storm effects (me too) but my favorite Storm scene is still the one that zooms in on her face as her eyes go white. The look on her face is just awesome.

SingItWithMeNow
04-05-2006, 10:44 PM
so is Professor X projecting himself into the White House Meeting Room? where he says you have no idea...

GothicPowerMix1
04-05-2006, 10:45 PM
Hey guys..I just saw a FOURTH T.V. spot! I don't know what channel it was on or the music. I was a Chilis having dinner and the sound was off. I looked up and noticed so I watched to see which one it was and it was none of them. I came straight home and watched all 3 to make sure. It was basically a bunch of things from the others like the builiding busting into flames and pyro shooting them but it had the scene with Scott and Jean kissing but it was far off from a distance. NOT the close up you see in the other preview. Also it had the X-jet flying towards the sun and NOT directly infront of the screen. Oh and a different scene of wolverine. Same as the breathe scene but from a slightly different angle. Anyone else see this??

:confused:

SingItWithMeNow
04-05-2006, 10:46 PM
yeah, whoa.

the a1ant
04-05-2006, 10:48 PM
unfinished? they CGIed the hell out of the storm spin scene, i think they even removed Juggernaut scurrying...

I wasn't talking about the Storm spin scene, or the Kitty/Juggernaut scene. I'm just saying some things look like they need to be touched up a bit, which I know they will be...just making observations. :D The scene of Jean looking against Storm (well...the way it was edited) seems like it'll have a phoenix effect in there, or something because of the strong light they put against Famke's face. At least I think so :p The golden gate scenes look perfect as well :up:

ginny_weasley
04-05-2006, 10:49 PM
I love that cheeky look Kitty gives Juggernaut...:up:

made a gif too (anyone is welcome to steal it, just DON'T HOTLINK!):


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/bookwormdarlin/kitty.gif

gambitfire
04-05-2006, 10:49 PM
i just saw them!! brb gotta go change myself :D

the a1ant
04-05-2006, 10:50 PM
I love that cheeky look Kitty gives Juggernaut...:up:

made a gif too (anyone is welcome to steal it, just DON'T HOTLINK!):


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/bookwormdarlin/kitty.gif

I LOVE that scene!

GothicPowerMix1
04-05-2006, 10:50 PM
I love that cheeky look Kitty gives Juggernaut...:up:

made a gif too (anyone is welcome to steal it, just DON'T HOTLINK!):


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/bookwormdarlin/kitty.gif

Ha beated you to it. But mines larger :o

Abysstare
04-05-2006, 10:54 PM
what happend to people when they get phased into stuff by kitty. Do they simply get stuck, or does it mess with their innards?

I believe it's been established that if Kitty were to phase someone and leave them stuck halfway through a solid object, that they'd be having SERIOUS problems, if they didn't just die outright. The same goes for her. If she were to solidify mid-object, it would be very, very bad. It's the same reason Nightcrawler typically needs to see where he's teleporting. If he re-appears in the middle of a wall or something, major badness.

So in theory, this scene with Jugs isn't quite faithful to what's been established, but since we haven't seen the entirety of the scene, I'll reserve judgement for the time being. Also, even if they are deviating, I don't know that this is major enough that I'd get my panties in a bunch over it. Uhm, so to speak.

gambitfire
04-05-2006, 10:55 PM
i like the music or sound of the second T.V. Spot anyone have a clue as to wheather its a song or not? Or where i can find it?

PWN3R
04-05-2006, 10:55 PM
X-jet flying towards the sun???

onejeremytogo
04-05-2006, 10:59 PM
X-jet flying towards the sun???
Not like in space heading into the sun..but in the sky flying at an angle that was more towards the direction of the sun. Not the same angle in the other trailors.

Abysstare
04-05-2006, 11:03 PM
I'm so curious what they're gonna do with Phoenix. I wonder if we'll get a glimpse at the effect in the final trailer, or if it'll just be saved for the film?

I'm asking this question sincerely, and not to be mean-spirited, but what makes so many of you assume that we're going to see the Phoenix effect AT ALL? Did I miss something where this has been confirmed? Because honestly, I'm not expecting to see it. It has nothing or little to do with the movie version of events, and no real connection to Jean Grey's mutant powers. I would think that they wouldn't do it out of concern for audience members not in the know who would be all like, "huh, I don't get it, why does she have flames behind her?... Doesn't that pyro guy have the fire powers?!"

Again, I would LOVE to see it, but I'm afraid unless one of you knows something that I don't (and if you do, please spill), I wouldn't get your hopes up. Hell, I'm not sure anyone will even refer to her as "Phoenix" for that matter!

gambitfire
04-05-2006, 11:09 PM
Well no one was really confused or lost or even complained when they saw it in X-2 maybe it wasn't as extreme as it could be in this movie but it was there.

GothicPowerMix1
04-05-2006, 11:10 PM
Im pretty sure it was said that we will be seeing The Fire Bird :up:

ginny_weasley
04-05-2006, 11:10 PM
Ha beated you to it. But mines larger :o

lol, just scrolled back and saw all those goodies you made - they're really great, :)

PWN3R
04-05-2006, 11:13 PM
Not like in space heading into the sun..but in the sky flying at an angle that was more towards the direction of the sun. Not the same angle in the other trailors.

Hmm. What else did you see?


I just saw two spots on Comedy Central. So looks like they are going to start appearing everywhere.

Obsidian
04-05-2006, 11:29 PM
I'm still bothered by Storm whirling around hitting everyone. It reminds me of Taz from Looney Tunes.:(

Exploding Boy
04-05-2006, 11:29 PM
I love that cheeky look Kitty gives Juggernaut...:up:

made a gif too (anyone is welcome to steal it, just DON'T HOTLINK!):


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/bookwormdarlin/kitty.gif

CAN I USE THIS!!

ginny_weasley
04-05-2006, 11:33 PM
CAN I USE THIS!!

certainly! go wild, do whatever you like. :)

Exploding Boy
04-05-2006, 11:34 PM
certainly! go wild, do whatever you like. :)

:eek::eek::eek: You are so cool :)

My avatars are bigger hehe
I cant use big ones :(

GothicPowerMix1
04-05-2006, 11:36 PM
:eek::eek::eek: You are so cool :)

My avatars are bigger hehe :up:

Exploding Boy
04-05-2006, 11:36 PM
How should i save it so that i can open it as a moving image??

onejeremytogo
04-05-2006, 11:39 PM
Hmm. What else did you see?


I just saw two spots on Comedy Central. So looks like they are going to start appearing everywhere.
Other than what I mentioned it was just stuff from the other spots. There was Xavior talking, Wolvie sliding down the wall, Storm with lightning all around her, Pyro and the building of flames, the final battle and Scott blasting the lake.

freshandclean
04-05-2006, 11:39 PM
Again, I would LOVE to see it, but I'm afraid unless one of you knows something that I don't (and if you do, please spill), I wouldn't get your hopes up. Hell, I'm not sure anyone will even refer to her as "Phoenix" for that matter!

I'm not sure if the Phoenix bird is confirmed but the name Phoenix I believe was confirmed. Supposedly it's Magneto that christians her that.

ginny_weasley
04-05-2006, 11:40 PM
How should i save it so that i can open it as a moving image??

Try just as a .gif file....it might also be too big a file for an avatar...i'm not sure what the limits are on this board for avatar size....

other than that idunno - i'm not actually very computer-savvy. :O

gambitfire
04-05-2006, 11:40 PM
gif. never mind this thread was moving too fast. :D

onejeremytogo
04-05-2006, 11:41 PM
I'm not sure if the Phoenix bird is confirmed but the name Phoenix I believe was confirmed. Supposedly it's Magneto that christians her that.No I remember reading in an interview (I couldn't tell you who) that the phoenix effect was in.

Exploding Boy
04-05-2006, 11:43 PM
Try just as a .gif file....it might also be too big a file for an avatar...i'm not sure what the limits are on this board for avatar size....

other than that idunno - i'm not actually very computer-savvy. :O

Umm it said gif.. when is aved. i dont know anything about computers so yeah.. Uhh i can only have a 50x50 avatar so that might be why?
But my original one i saved it the same as this one.

freshandclean
04-05-2006, 11:45 PM
No I remember reading in an interview (I couldn't tell you who) that the phoenix effect was in.

Well here's what I found from Kinberg regarding the Phoenix effect.



Where was it confirmed that there will even be CGI flame bird SFX for Phoenix?

*It wasn’t confirmed here. We’re still working on this.

------------------------------------

Are there any ideas on how the Phoenix Flame bird looks? Will it look the same as it did in X2 or more advanced graphics to it?

*From the beginning of pre-production, we discussed different ways of representing Phoenix. John Bruno and his team are still working to make this image as dramatic and iconic as possible. We want her effects to be something you’ve never seen before – true to the essence of the comics, but also truly unique and groundbreaking.

Neto Magnus
04-05-2006, 11:52 PM
i hope it's not just fire

ginny_weasley
04-05-2006, 11:57 PM
Wow, sounds awesome

TNC9852002
04-06-2006, 12:10 AM
He's taller and stronger.

I picture him breaking out of the floor and catching up pretty quick. As someone else mentioned, there are no broken walls or strewn debris in those shots, which would indicate he hasn't been smashing through walls just yet.
Yeah...That'd be hella sweet if that was only the beginning of the scene, BEFORe he starts chasing her..

-TNC

chaseter
04-06-2006, 12:12 AM
Yeah...That'd be hella sweet if that was only the beginning of the scene, BEFORe he starts chasing her..

-TNC
Yeap, she phases him and giggles. His legs dangle from the ceiling on the floor below. He gets pissed of and breaks free. Kitty is like OH S*** and starts running with Juggs hot on her back.

ginny_weasley
04-06-2006, 12:15 AM
Yeah...That'd be hella sweet if that was only the beginning of the scene, BEFORe he starts chasing her..

-TNC

wow, i never thought of it that way...sounds good to me. :up:

TNC9852002
04-06-2006, 12:19 AM
Juggernaut is missing! I repeat...Juggernaut is missing!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/LiamGoody/juggys.jpg
I frickin' noticed that but I guess I thought that it was just my imagination or something..

-TNC

Anton Oksehud
04-06-2006, 12:22 AM
Yeap, she phases him and giggles. His legs dangle from the ceiling on the floor below. He gets pissed of and breaks free. Kitty is like OH S*** and starts running with Juggs hot on her back.

Actually the "floor" in that shot looks a lot like ice, very reflective and all.....

Someone posted the theory, that Bobby made a sheet of ice to stop Juggs, and Kitty phases through it, and continues, while Juggs breaks free moments later to chase through walls....

-If that is true, we don't have to worry about the movieverse tampering with Kittys powers (Juggs surviving being phased into something solid...):up:

chaseter
04-06-2006, 12:22 AM
It looks like he is running in the left one. If you also notice, the left picture has more shot of the scenery to the left(Arclight is nearly fully viewed on the pic in the left while the right one she is almost gone.) Maybe he ran into the house. In the shot they pulled with the empty Xavier wheelchair, there is a huge hole in the wall....which Juggs probably did. My guess is Wolverine and Storm fight Quills, Juggs, and Arclight outside while Magneto, Jean, and Xavier are inside.

chaseter
04-06-2006, 12:24 AM
Actually the "floor" in that shot looks a lot like ice, very reflective and all.....

Someone posted the theory, that Bobby made a sheet of ice to stop Juggs, and Kitty phases through it, and continues, while Juggs breaks free moments later to chase through walls....

-If that is true, we don't have to worry about the movieverse tampering with Kittys powers (Juggs surviving being phased into something solid...):up:
Who made the huge hole in the floor then to make Juggs go into? And if Iceman where involved, he would be in the shot as well. Also, everything else in the room is reflective, except for Kitty of course which is phasing and creating no reflection.

pyromaniac
04-06-2006, 12:24 AM
It's been done before. In fact, Fantastic Four had a similiar set up with their spots, with a final trailer just 3 weeks prior to release.

And numerous films too.

It's irrevelant whether you think it is the first time, dark_b - but that it's happened before.

Train of thought:

First round of pictures. Good.

Second. Wow.

Third. Omfg, too much!

Teaser, trailers, etc. Noooo...!

And that's just for, say, Spiderman and Batman. And of course you see the film - and you're pleasantly surprised, not necessarily by the quality but by how much you thought you knew, which turns out to be the opposite.

TNC9852002
04-06-2006, 12:25 AM
So I was rewatching that scene where Juggs was caught in the floor...and I guess it does look like ice...perhaps Kitty & Bobby set a trap?
It doesn't look like ice to me..

-TNC

TNC9852002
04-06-2006, 12:27 AM
She can do that? :confused:

Sorry but all I know about Kitty is that she can phase through solid objects...so wait she can actually phase people through things?
Wasn't there an episode of X-Men Evolution wherte Kitty held onto the interior of the X-Jet and phased the entire jet and everyone inside through a mountain?...I remember he feeling quite exhausted afterwards..

-TNC

Sunstar
04-06-2006, 12:28 AM
Hey did you guys see the wave that hits Cyclops at Alkali Lake in the ESPN advert! Phoenix Rising!

I wish we had seen the Phoenix flames! Oh well there's still the third trailer!

freshandclean
04-06-2006, 12:28 AM
It doesn't look like ice to me..

-TNC

Me neither. It looks to me like it's clearly the floor. I just don't understand how she's able to phase him without touching him.

I wish we had seen the Phoenix flames! Oh well there's still the third trailer!

Not me. I feel like I've seen too much already. I wanna wait for the film to see Phoenix.

chaseter
04-06-2006, 12:29 AM
It doesn't look like ice to me..

-TNC
Me neither, someone would have to make a hole for Juggernaut to fall into and then Iceman to freeze him while he fell through. This scene gives Kittys some spunk and obviously(from all the trailers)have Iceman no where in the scene. Have none of you in here ever walked down a hall and scene the lights reflecting or a slight relfection of you own body? Thats not ice folks...its wax.

TNC9852002
04-06-2006, 12:30 AM
Yeah but it was never team vs team in the same space. This seems to capture more of that essence of everyone fighting side by side...
I think there were scenes like that was supposed to happen in both films but they couldn't fit it into the budget...

-TNC

Boiiinng
04-06-2006, 12:30 AM
Does anyone else think those warning buzzers from the second one might be Sentinel sounds?

pyromaniac
04-06-2006, 12:31 AM
I think it sucks that they showed how she defeats Juggernaut. I'm all for script leaks and stuff, but they just ruined an ending to what must be a really halarious fight (big and stupid v. tiny and smar; one can crash through anything, the other can walk through anything; one wants to break the other, the other knows he can't even touch her)

I know it has been uttered, but if you'll noticed very clearly - there are no holes in the background as to which Juggernaut would have otherwise made.

So. :p

chaseter
04-06-2006, 12:34 AM
Maybe this is the first encounter Juggs and Kitty has. He might not know he cannot touch her and swing away at her as she phases in and out. She grabs his leg and drops him halfway into the floor. She smiles and starts to run again to find Leech. Juggs breaks free and begins chasing her. Kitty runs as fast as she can to get to Leech before Juggs does.

pyromaniac
04-06-2006, 12:37 AM
Yeah but the whole movie??

They mean expositionally through the visual use of the powers.

It was the same with X2. None of the origin setups or flashbacks, save for Wolverine, which was significant to the plot.

I think dark_b mentioned that he was reminded of comparisons between F4 and Xmen.

Right.

F4 lacks the emotional resonance, dialogue and characterisation that X3 clearly has (F4 just has a different kind of execution, for the simple reason it has a definable demographic). It has been told countless times that emotion and character is where it counts, by writers and Ratner and nearly just about everyone themselves, that emotion and character services the story, therefore the action.

What you see on here... Online and on screen - it's called marketing.

ginny_weasley
04-06-2006, 12:39 AM
I know it has been uttered, but if you'll noticed very clearly - there are no holes in the background as to which Juggernaut would have otherwise made.

So. :p

Wow, great eye!

TNC9852002
04-06-2006, 12:39 AM
I agree. It's good to know that they're adding little touches to all the effects to make it stronger looking..
And Simon Kinberg JUST got done answering a question of mine on if there were doing some digital improvements on Juggernaut's power...

It looked noticably better in the tv spots..

-TNC

chaseter
04-06-2006, 12:41 AM
http://www.thefatmiggy.org/xmentv150.jpg
There is not any ice anywhere. Also as someone mentioned....no broken walls behind Juggernaut. This is deffinately at the beggining of the Kitty Juggs chase scene.

Anton Oksehud
04-06-2006, 12:44 AM
Hmm.....

I will retract my "ice-theory".....

After seeing the tv-spot again, I can see, that it IS the floor Juggs is stranded in.

In this screencap, the cupboards in the background indicade, that they are both in the floor.....
(I liked the "ice-theory" though...:( )
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/usagicassidy/Picture12.png

ginny_weasley
04-06-2006, 12:45 AM
I'm liking this 'begining of the chase'....on first seeing this clip I was a little disappointed to think we were spoiled as to how Kitty 'defeats' Jug...

...now I'm only enticed more when I think how P'Oed Jug must be after she phases him and gives him that snarky look.

TNC9852002
04-06-2006, 12:45 AM
wow, i never thought of it that way...sounds good to me. :up:
What if she laughs, phases into the next wall, and then moments later he bursts through the wall like, "Don't You KNow Who The **** I AM? I'm THE JUGGERNAUT, *****!".. :p

:ghost:
-TNC

pyromaniac
04-06-2006, 12:45 AM
Wow, great eye!

Thank you, Ginny Weasley. ;)

muscaremy
04-06-2006, 12:49 AM
What if she laughs, phases into the next wall, and then moments later he bursts through the wall like, "Don't You KNow Who The **** I AM? I'm THE JUGGERNAUT, *****!".. :p

:ghost:
-TNC

that'd be great.. shes just standing there in the next room then....boom he smashes through the wall and the chase begins.... also ive seen the espn spot a few times but have yet to see the fox one... i watched fox today durin their primetime crap and didnt see it


hehe espn one was just one again

TNC9852002
04-06-2006, 12:51 AM
I just can't wait to hear Vinnie talk smack...They say he has some very funny lines in the movie and somehow, I think that alot of them are going to be in this scene..

-TNC

TNC9852002
04-06-2006, 12:53 AM
They just showed the 2nd one AGAIN on ESPN, Sportscenter.

Around 1:50am..

-TNC

Littlemidget312
04-06-2006, 12:56 AM
Just a theory, but what if Kitty were to drop from the ceiling onto Juggernaut facing him in the ground, and then she would be in the under room, while he would be stuck. Then she would rise up like in the clip, and smile at him. That would be awesome! Kitty will be amazing! :)

muscaremy
04-06-2006, 12:56 AM
espn shows it all the time seen it plenty today

pyromaniac
04-06-2006, 12:58 AM
I just can't wait to hear Vinnie talk smack...They say he has some very funny lines in the movie and somehow, I think that alot of them are going to be in this scene..

-TNC

Why?

Because the chase scene obviously calls on for some situational humour (only at the beginning at least), it seems appropriate most of Juggernaut's menacing wit be on display here...?

There's also the surbuban scene, among other things where Jugs is involved with. It just depends on the situation and confrontation.

TNC9852002
04-06-2006, 01:03 AM
Why?

Because the chase scene obviously calls on for some situational humour (only at the beginning at least), it seems appropriate most of Juggernaut's menacing wit be on display here...?

There's also the surbuban scene, among other things where Jugs is involved with. It just depends on the situation and confrontation.
I know,..of course...I'm just saying...

Ummmm...I DON'T KNOW!!.. :( :p

It just seems like the kind of 1-on-1 situation where some back talk would be more expected, rather than a scene where he's one of the crowd...I only said that I would EXPECT some humor from Juggernaut in this scene particularly since he's one potentially of the focal characters...

-TNC

Spidey 2007
04-06-2006, 01:09 AM
well, Comedy Central has been showing them alot, ive seen spot 2 and 3 on comedy central.

Today on MTV they showed the first spot 2 times, that ive seen, i was really lucky in grabbing the right time to turn it man, i got straight up lucky with the MTV one though, i was monitering ESPN, and turned it to MTV to find what I wanted to find on ESPN :) :up:

tons of action today man...i love it, every time i saww one it snapped me out of my lazy spell....i did a couple pushups after everyone i saw then ran around the block a lil bit because they cyked me up ;) :up:

Nell2ThaIzzay
04-06-2006, 01:12 AM
So how exactly is Kitty rising up through the floor?

Last I checked, she couldn't fly, or float, or anything of the sort...

Oh, and as the resident Kitty Pryde hater of these forums, I must say this:

This scene actually looks like it's gonna be badass. Let's hope what the do with Kitty justifies not using my favorite character ever. So far, it looks good.

TNC9852002
04-06-2006, 01:13 AM
WOW...So, CMT, ESPN, FOX, MTV, SpikeTV, Comedy Central...Anyone spot them anywhere else?

-TNC

LEX
04-06-2006, 01:14 AM
Oh, my God! :eek::eek:

Thank God I went to bed. I just woke up. You are a god, Afropik! :D I'm so excited! :hyper: *downloads all of them*

Abaddon
04-06-2006, 01:16 AM
So how exactly is Kitty rising up through the floor?

Last I checked, she couldn't fly, or float, or anything of the sort...

Oh, and as the resident Kitty Pryde hater of these forums, I must say this:

This scene actually looks like it's gonna be badass. Let's hope what the do with Kitty justifies not using my favorite character ever. So far, it looks good.


Kitty's abilities allow her to walk on air.You should know your enemies better.

Retroman
04-06-2006, 01:22 AM
Juggernaut is missing! I repeat...Juggernaut is missing!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/LiamGoody/juggys.jpg
:eek: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Abaddon
04-06-2006, 01:22 AM
Just a theory, but what if Kitty were to drop from the ceiling onto Juggernaut facing him in the ground, and then she would be in the under room, while he would be stuck. Then she would rise up like in the clip, and smile at him. That would be awesome! Kitty will be amazing! :)

Maybe Juggs storms in a room looking for her,then her hand phases up and grabs him.Juggs gets phased and is dragged down till he's halfway through.Then Kitty rises up beside him and smirks.

LEX
04-06-2006, 01:28 AM
Dammit! :mad: My VLC and MPC won't play the TV spots. :(

*downloads the .mov versions instead* :o

Retroman
04-06-2006, 01:28 AM
I'm confused. Why did they change they remove Juggernaut from the Storm sequence?

Nell2ThaIzzay
04-06-2006, 01:28 AM
I just saw #3 on ESPN!

YAY!

TNC9852002
04-06-2006, 01:31 AM
I'm confused. Why did they change they remove Juggernaut from the Storm sequence?
It kinda makes you wonder what else have they tricked us into...

-TNC

jusblaze21
04-06-2006, 01:31 AM
Haha, I just saw the the x3 Tv spot on Espn.

LEX
04-06-2006, 01:32 AM
Hooray! :D

I just saw all of the spots. LatinoReview is my new favourite site. :p

Retroman
04-06-2006, 01:34 AM
It kinda makes you wonder what else have they tricked us into...

-TNC
My thoughts as well.

LEX
04-06-2006, 01:35 AM
Juggernaut is missing? What? *glares at Fox What have they got up their sleeves now, I wonder? :o

Retroman
04-06-2006, 01:36 AM
I just saw #3 on ESPN!

YAY!

Haha, I just saw the the x3 Tv spot on Espn.
Great!!:cool:

The media blitz has begun...

Antonello Blueberry
04-06-2006, 01:39 AM
I'm confused. Why did they change they remove Juggernaut from the Storm sequence?
Maybe they edited it so in that moment he's fighting with Wolverine in another part of the street, so having him in that position is inconsistent.
The power of money and visual FX.

Nell2ThaIzzay
04-06-2006, 01:41 AM
I'm confused. Why did they change they remove Juggernaut from the Storm sequence?

Cuz they are gonna change it to Gambit!

:eek:

Littlemidget312
04-06-2006, 01:44 AM
I meant phased* Why did I say faced? lol

But I have yet to see one clip on tv. I wish I do soon. :)

Sunstar
04-06-2006, 01:47 AM
Hooray! :D

I just saw all of the spots. LatinoReview is my new favourite site. :p

I know they're better than the official site which seems like a waste of time!

Archangel08
04-06-2006, 01:51 AM
Wasn't there an episode of X-Men Evolution wherte Kitty held onto the interior of the X-Jet and phased the entire jet and everyone inside through a mountain?...I remember he feeling quite exhausted afterwards..

-TNC

i forget the episode, but in theory that shouldn't work right? i mean, when she phases through electronics, doesn't she fry them?

Retroman
04-06-2006, 01:53 AM
Maybe they edited it so in that moment he's fighting with Wolverine in another part of the street, so having him in that position is inconsistent.
The power of money and visual FX.
Thats very likely.
Wolverine fighting Juggernaut and Storm dealing with Quills and Arclight. Meanwhile Xavier is locking heads with Phoenix or been fried.

The suff they can do with computers is amazing. Almost scary.

Nell2ThaIzzay
04-06-2006, 01:53 AM
Just saw #2 on ESPN!

I'm totally geekasming out right now.

Retroman
04-06-2006, 01:54 AM
Cuz they are gonna change it to Gambit!

:eek:
LOL

Alexsolo
04-06-2006, 02:48 AM
Full Frame-hi quality WindowsMedia files can now be found here

http://rapidshare.de/users/FA5F16

The folder password is: xmen3 (what else ;-) )

Just click on the file you wish to download & the rapidshare download page will pop up, follow the instructions & you'll have your clip.

If anyone else wants to host these files, just PM me & I'll send them to ya or feel free to add them & keep everyone up to date

oh...your welcome :D

LEX
04-06-2006, 02:59 AM
Thanks. ;)

*xmenfan*
04-06-2006, 03:28 AM
OMG!!!!! THEY ROCK!!!!! love Angel!!

britrogue
04-06-2006, 03:49 AM
Oh my God, I've just watched them. How wonderful is this film going to be? I just keep getting shivers down my spine!
Thank you SO much for posting them! xx

Roma
04-06-2006, 04:07 AM
Wasn't there an episode of X-Men Evolution wherte Kitty held onto the interior of the X-Jet and phased the entire jet and everyone inside through a mountain?...I remember he feeling quite exhausted afterwards..

-TNC

I thought she did that with a train, phasing it through another. Halfway through she has to let go and Kurt bamf's here away.

TNC9852002
04-06-2006, 04:17 AM
Hmmmm...I remember a train...I'm not totally sure..There could've been two different situations.

-TNC

Roma
04-06-2006, 04:19 AM
Hmmmm...I remember a train...I'm not totally sure..There could've been two different situations.

-TNC

I'm planning on watching all the episodes these days, if I see her phasing large electronic objects :p I'll let you know

Maze
04-06-2006, 05:37 AM
That was a train.

great episode :up:

WideAwake
04-06-2006, 05:40 AM
Kitty did phase the entire X Jet in the Evolution cartoons. It was in the episode Joyride.
She also phased through electronic objects, like the control panel of a helicopter when soldiers attacked the mansion. Kurt teleported her onboard, and she just ran her hand through the console. I love how the X Men work as a team in that show. :up:

JustABill
04-06-2006, 06:01 AM
The more I watch that moment between Cykes and Jean, the more I get the feeling when she opens those eyes, she's going to see someone behind them, that's an enemy to her.

Off Topic: But did they ever find out where the premire of this film is going to be held?

Edit: Ah, nevermind. Cannes huh? Awesome!

Sunstar
04-06-2006, 06:24 AM
How does Kitty phase upwards? Does she fly or something?

JustABill
04-06-2006, 06:26 AM
Flying is out of Kitty's abilities so it's not that, I can tell you. :p

Sunstar
04-06-2006, 06:45 AM
But that still doesn't explain how she can phase upwards?

JustABill
04-06-2006, 06:48 AM
I'm a fan of the character, but I'm greatly confused when it comes to the mechanics of her phasing?

Hell, maybe she jumps up or something? o_O

Avalanche
04-06-2006, 06:53 AM
Hmmmm...I remember a train...I'm not totally sure..There could've been two different situations.

-TNC
They were.

The first was when Avalanche joined the X-Men. He get getting blamed for everything that went wrong when it was Jubilee et al. Some of the X-kids ended up taking the X-Jet out, and ended up chased by fighters. Kitty phased the Jet and everyone in through a mountain, and the fighters believed it to be some kind of UFO and let it go.

The second time was when the Brotherhood were causing accidents so they could save people and get the glory. It went wrong with a train, and the X-Men had to intervene. Kitty attempted to phase one train through another, but it exhausted her and Kurt teleported her out. The train exploded, and Jean attempted to contain the explosion with her powers, keeping it within a bubble. It was too much for her, and Lance opened up the earth to swallow the train, and then built the crust back up around the explosion to contain it. One of my favourite episodes. Lance got to shine.

As for movie Kitty, the fact that there are no holes doesn't tell us a lot. Juggernaut could have caught her after the cahse and she's phased them both down through one floor and i into the one below.

Avalanche
04-06-2006, 06:55 AM
I'm a fan of the character, but I'm greatly confused when it comes to the mechanics of her phasing?

Hell, maybe she jumps up or something? o_O
Well, if she can walk on air, perhaps the mechanics of her phasing allow her to phase up through air and matter as well.

Roma
04-06-2006, 06:59 AM
Isn't it that when she phases she becomes lighter then air, and thus she can float upwards and decend again by increasing her density ??

pyromaniac
04-06-2006, 06:59 AM
As for movie Kitty, the fact that there are no holes doesn't tell us a lot. Juggernaut could have caught her after the cahse and she's phased them both down through one floor and i into the one below.

Juggernaut catching her from where exactly? He has a very direct approach: I don't see him as a gentleman. ;)

And here's another clue - they're nowhere near the laboratory where Leech is contained.

And in addition - as emphasised for the third time, would anyone want to show the conclusion of a scene in any trailer or tv spot, ever? 'Sides, they're always out of context anyway.

pyromaniac
04-06-2006, 07:00 AM
Isn't it that when she phases she becomes lighter then air, and thus she can float upwards and decend again by increasing her density ??

Density has nothing to do with it.

Er, someone needs to whip out an official description and exact science of her powers.

Asteroid-Man
04-06-2006, 07:01 AM
everyday there should be more, ok so right now we have 3 spots a teaser and a trailer

Roma
04-06-2006, 07:02 AM
Wikipedia says:

Shadowcat possesses the ability to "phase" or literally pass through solid matter by passing her atoms through the spaces between the atoms of the object through which she is moving. Utilizing her phasing ability, she can also walk on air. While phasing, she is intangible and thus invulnerable to physical attacks and telepaths have a hard time reaching her mind in phased form. However the density of adamantium proves deleterious to her phasing, causing her to be severely disoriented if she tries to pass through adamantium or adamantium passes through her. Her phasing powers also disrupt any electronic equipment she passes through. For some time after she discovered her powers, she was only able to phase herself and her clothes along with her. However, she quickly learned to phase other people and objects with her.

KenK
04-06-2006, 07:03 AM
And I can't for the life of me remember where I put my "Science of X-Men" book.

pyromaniac
04-06-2006, 07:05 AM
And I can't for the life of me remember where I put my "Science of X-Men" book.

I have it, but it's back in my other home. :p

Avalanche
04-06-2006, 07:11 AM
Juggernaut catching her from where exactly? He has a very direct approach: I don't see him as a gentleman. ;)
Well, he can't catch her for as long as she can hold her breath. Physically impossible. She could use that to her advantage before phasing him.

And here's another clue - they're nowhere near the laboratory where Leech is contained.
And we know this how? It could be the very next room.

And in addition - as emphasised for the third time, would anyone want to show the conclusion of a scene in any trailer or tv spot, ever? 'Sides, they're always out of context anyway.
You've pointed out that Juggernaut can escape and give chase, so who's to say say he doesn't get himself out and go back for more. I didn't say I thought it was the conclusion. I said we can't be certain it's the beginning.

Sunstar
04-06-2006, 07:28 AM
Kitty's powers are mysterious at times but something I've been trying to figure out is in the advert when she phases Juggs through the floor shouldn't he merge with the floor and die when she unphases him?

Chasers1984(2)
04-06-2006, 07:29 AM
So how exactly is Kitty rising up through the floor?

Last I checked, she couldn't fly, or float, or anything of the sort...

Oh, and as the resident Kitty Pryde hater of these forums, I must say this:

This scene actually looks like it's gonna be badass. Let's hope what the do with Kitty justifies not using my favorite character ever. So far, it looks good.


Sorry if this has already been answered a million times. Kitty can destabalize her molecular setup to the point where she, essentially, is lighter than air and then walk on it.

Also in response to all the various Kitty questions I saw above my post. Her powers are limited solely by the density of the object she's trying to go through. I mean phasing through a cheese cloth, which has a ton of holes and very low density, is going to be a lot easier than going through a steel enforced concrete wall because the wall is incredibly dense. Any time her powers are used in the comics (so long as it's written by a good writer) you can very noticeably tell if she's having a hard time or not.

My only problem with all of this is the fact that it appears (and we are led to believe) that she phased Juggernaut through the floor. If that were true he would / should be dead according to the most fundamental rules of her powers. If she stops phasing someone halfway through something their molecules become merged with the molecules of whatever they are phasing through. That should mean Juggernaut has no more lower body, legs, hands, etc...

Kanon
04-06-2006, 07:36 AM
Kitty's powers are mysterious at times but something I've been trying to figure out is in the advert when she phases Juggs through the floor shouldn't he merge with the floor and die when she unphases him?
In the comics, yes (I think :p ), but they probably changed that for the movie, making Juggs just trapped in the floor (without the molecule mixing)

Public Enemy15
04-06-2006, 07:38 AM
Kitty's powers are mysterious at times but something I've been trying to figure out is in the advert when she phases Juggs through the floor shouldn't he merge with the floor and die when she unphases him?


That's exactly what I thought. I mean dont get me wrong the scene looks cool and all but his molecules should've merged with the floor and killed him. Whats up that? Maybe there's some explaination for it. At least I hope so cuz the scene will lose a lot of credibility in my eyes if there isn't.:confused:

The Top Hat
04-06-2006, 07:45 AM
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d68/whosflyingthisthing/x3/omegared.png

I'm sorry for the speculation. But could this be Omega Red?

One of the earliest reports of Omega Red in X3 said he was involved in a fight Wolverine in the woods.

And if you notice the very odd looking piece of equipment on his forearm, perhaps that is where his tentacle type thing comes out?

I could be (and probably am) wrong, but I thought it worth pointing out.

Phoenix342
04-06-2006, 07:53 AM
I dont know if this was pointed out or not earlier but in the first spot it shows the bridge being lifted up during the day but then when it slams down it's night. Can mag really hold up a bridge that long or maybe it was storm? I dont know i just found that sorta weird

Wolverini
04-06-2006, 08:00 AM
There's also a very small noticeable change in where everyone is lined up and ready to fight.

In the trailer you can see Collosus ( d'uh! ) but in the trailer his hands are still and not moving and also note the wider/fatter face. In the new TV-spots you can see Collosus moving his hands and his face looks alot thinner ...

Woot!

Anton Oksehud
04-06-2006, 08:00 AM
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d68/whosflyingthisthing/x3/omegared.png

I'm sorry for the speculation. But could this be Omega Red?

One of the earliest reports of Omega Red in X3 said he was involved in a fight Wolverine in the woods.

And if you notice the very odd looking piece of equipment on his forearm, perhaps that is where his tentacle type thing comes out?

I could be (and probably am) wrong, but I thought it worth pointing out.

I'm pretty sure, "the odd equipment" is just an elbow pad.....:O

Sunstar
04-06-2006, 08:02 AM
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d68/whosflyingthisthing/x3/omegared.png

Actually I think that's Multiple Man or one of his clones!

Sunstar
04-06-2006, 08:05 AM
That scene where Logan is standing in the Danger Room and there's an explosion behind him has been shown in the every piece of footage we've seen so far even the Showest clips and every advert! It's so annoying and unnecessary!

Aiden
04-06-2006, 08:21 AM
I think that FOX want that shot in everything because they know Wolverine is very popular

Jan Irisi
04-06-2006, 08:36 AM
Juggernaut is missing! I repeat...Juggernaut is missing!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/LiamGoody/juggys.jpg


Perhaps in this shot Juggernaut is behind Ken Leung in the shot where it appears he's missing. Just looking at Storm's position, it looks like these two shots are not of the same frame of film. Possibly just one frame off.

PhoenixFire
04-06-2006, 09:03 AM
That's exactly what I thought. I mean dont get me wrong the scene looks cool and all but his molecules should've merged with the floor and killed him. Whats up that? Maybe there's some explaination for it. At least I hope so cuz the scene will lose a lot of credibility in my eyes if there isn't.:confused:
My problem with that shot is the way the floor seems to kind of crumple up around his body, it looks the way you would expect if was somehow flash frozen in cement, with the floor congealing around him, not the lcean break of molecular coexistence we see with Kitty as she phases up out of the floor herself...

Perhaps they took some creative license with her powers and instead of phasing him she somehow destabilized the atoms of the floor, making it soupy, and then rehardened it around him once he sank?

Jan Irisi
04-06-2006, 09:04 AM
Something is bothering me. It is about the shot of Cyclops and Jean kissing. Is it just me, or is it just...not...the kiss I would expect from a man who suddenly found out his girlfriend/fiance/wife was still alive after he was certain she was dead.

There's just no "OMG...YOU'RE HERE!!!! I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD!!!! OMG!!!!"

Does anyone else see that? It just seems too casual to me. It's a kiss a man would give his newlywed bride before going to work or something. It just seems...off to me for some reason. Thoughts?

bosef982
04-06-2006, 09:17 AM
Something is bothering me. It is about the shot of Cyclops and Jean kissing. Is it just me, or is it just...not...the kiss I would expect from a man who suddenly found out his girlfriend/fiance/wife was still alive after he was certain she was dead.

There's just no "OMG...YOU'RE HERE!!!! I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD!!!! OMG!!!!"

Does anyone else see that? It just seems too casual to me. It's a kiss a man would give his newlywed bride before going to work or something. It just seems...off to me for some reason. Thoughts?

Well, we really haven't seen enough of the kiss to really make a point of it. I mean, it could be that he does grab her, hug her frantically, kiss her roughly, and then pulls back so she can make the move for his glasses -- he stops her -- then she does, they see each other's eyes, and they lean in and kiss romantically, passionatly....

Jan Irisi
04-06-2006, 09:21 AM
Well, we really haven't seen enough of the kiss to really make a point of it. I mean, it could be that he does grab her, hug her frantically, kiss her roughly, and then pulls back so she can make the move for his glasses -- he stops her -- then she does, they see each other's eyes, and they lean in and kiss romantically, passionatly....


Possibly, but still....something is just...off there. In the shot where he's holding her arms, looking stoic or even angry...not how I would imagine a reunion like that to be.

Just...I don't know. Off.....

Public Enemy15
04-06-2006, 09:36 AM
My problem with that shot is the way the floor seems to kind of crumple up around his body, it looks the way you would expect if was somehow flash frozen in cement, with the floor congealing around him, not the lcean break of molecular coexistence we see with Kitty as she phases up out of the floor herself...

Perhaps they took some creative license with her powers and instead of phasing him she somehow destabilized the atoms of the floor, making it soupy, and then rehardened it around him once he sank?

Hmm? But wouldnt that mean that Kitty has the ability now to manipulate and control earth? I dunno I just think that they played that scene off more for the general movie goers and just expect the hardcore fans to chalk it up as another alteration they had to do to make a scene work. Even if the physics of it make no sense at all. I mean after he becomes tangible again where does the floor that occupied that space go?

I went to the xverse to ask Simon about this scene. Hopefully there's a plausible reason.:confused:

RedIsNotBlue
04-06-2006, 10:19 AM
Hmm? But wouldnt that mean that Kitty has the ability now to manipulate and control earth? I dunno I just think that they played that scene off more for the general movie goers and just expect the hardcore fans to chalk it up as another alteration they had to do to make a scene work. Even if the physics of it make no sense at all. I mean after he becomes tangible again where does the floor that occupied that space go?

I went to the xverse to ask Simon about this scene. Hopefully there's a plausible reason.:confused:

Well it seems Kitty comes into contact with Juggs and they both phase through the floor and Juggs gets stuck then Kitty comes up and laughs at him. Does that make sense?

Iceman
04-06-2006, 10:28 AM
He should be able to break free pretty easily given the way he smashes everything else in sight.

Vixenboy
04-06-2006, 10:30 AM
I think technically, Kitty solidifying anyone mid-phase would kill them because they're molecules would mix. Although, maybe it's the fact that he's Juggernaut that he's still alive. I mean this guy is supposed to be unstoppable and invulnerable to almost everything except psychic attacks. So who's to say that the Juggernaut isn't denser than the matter that would make up the floor, and therefore, it would work in reverse and the floor would be destroyed.

Oy Vey...did that make sense?:confused:

Vixenboy
04-06-2006, 10:33 AM
Ok yeah, so I think Juggernaut's abilities give him the density that would dominate over the matter in that makes up the floor. Had it been anyone else, the steel and all that would crush their internal organs and rip apart their skin upon merging, but Juggernaut is way too powerful for that. Ok yeah, I think that's it.:O

ultimatefan
04-06-2006, 10:36 AM
Possibly, but still....something is just...off there. In the shot where he's holding her arms, looking stoic or even angry...not how I would imagine a reunion like that to be.

Just...I don't know. Off.....
We have to see the context of the scene, it may not even be the first time they see each other again.

Something I still want to see is some demonstration of the full destructive power of the dark phoenix. I donīt expect her to wipe off entire planets like in the comics, but something massive, and something so terrible it might be unforgivable, like in comics.

RedIsNotBlue
04-06-2006, 10:37 AM
He should be able to break free pretty easily given the way he smashes everything else in sight.

Well it seems he has to be in motion to be able to smash something to pieces.

kytrigger
04-06-2006, 10:39 AM
Vixenboy, I think that would make sense in the comics, but this is entirely different universe rememeber. I doubt that Juggernaut will be as powerful as he is in the comics, and they might have just altered Shadowcat's powers a little too so that everyone would just get stuck as opposed to have a horrible death.

Vixenboy
04-06-2006, 10:43 AM
Yeah totally. I just threw that out there for all the people that are saying Juggernaut should be dead or cut in half cos he was left mid-phase in the floor. So that's my guess as to how he survived and how he managed to get stuck in the floor.

silver_arrow
04-06-2006, 10:44 AM
"Firstly, the X with Wolverine's claws isn't that clear that it means 'X3' and I hate the font for 'The Last Stand'."

The Wolverine claws to stand 3 for xmen added hype among the ordinary moviegoers, at least in the theater where I first watched its trailer.

Public Enemy15
04-06-2006, 10:49 AM
Ok yeah, so I think Juggernaut's abilities give him the density that would dominate over the matter in that makes up the floor. Had it been anyone else, the steel and all that would crush their internal organs and rip apart their skin upon merging, but Juggernaut is way too powerful for that. Ok yeah, I think that's it.:O


LOL. That's a good theory but I doubt that's what they want people to believe. I think they simply want everyone to think that juggs just got stuck. Cuz if the fact that he survives had anything to do with his invunerablility, then when he became solid there would have been an explosion of some sort both internally and externally wherever the matter of the floor interacted with his molecules.
:)

the a1ant
04-06-2006, 10:50 AM
I'm asking this question sincerely, and not to be mean-spirited, but what makes so many of you assume that we're going to see the Phoenix effect AT ALL? Did I miss something where this has been confirmed? Because honestly, I'm not expecting to see it. It has nothing or little to do with the movie version of events, and no real connection to Jean Grey's mutant powers. I would think that they wouldn't do it out of concern for audience members not in the know who would be all like, "huh, I don't get it, why does she have flames behind her?... Doesn't that pyro guy have the fire powers?!"

Again, I would LOVE to see it, but I'm afraid unless one of you knows something that I don't (and if you do, please spill), I wouldn't get your hopes up. Hell, I'm not sure anyone will even refer to her as "Phoenix" for that matter!

Ur...Because it was in X2. I was talking about the 'psy-flame' effect that was in the last film, including the bird seen under the water in X2 :p. We have yet to see it, and I was mentioning that it seems to be something they're not showing. :O

X Patrol
04-06-2006, 10:52 AM
Something is bothering me. It is about the shot of Cyclops and Jean kissing. Is it just me, or is it just...not...the kiss I would expect from a man who suddenly found out his girlfriend/fiance/wife was still alive after he was certain she was dead.

There's just no "OMG...YOU'RE HERE!!!! I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD!!!! OMG!!!!"

Does anyone else see that? It just seems too casual to me. It's a kiss a man would give his newlywed bride before going to work or something. It just seems...off to me for some reason. Thoughts?

IMO it's impossible for anybody to conceive what the reaction would be if we see the one we used to love so passionately rising from the death. There would be such a strong combination of feelings and emotionally i could even understand that kiss. It could be a speechless way to express such an extreme happiness. :up:

the a1ant
04-06-2006, 10:54 AM
I think the beginning of the Jean/ Scott scene will be funny. It seems like Cyclops shoots into the water, and moments later Jean replies back with a 'psy-wave' *FWOOOOOOOM!*

lol :p

Iceman
04-06-2006, 11:03 AM
I like the look of that 'psy-wave'. Hopefully she'll use it on someone more deserving next time. :(

TNC9852002
04-06-2006, 11:33 AM
LOL. That's a good theory but I doubt that's what they want people to believe. I think they simply want everyone to think that juggs just got stuck. Cuz if the fact that he survives had anything to do with his invunerablility, then when he became solid there would have been an explosion of some sort both internally and externally wherever the matter of the floor interacted with his molecules.
:)
Hmmm...

Has Kitty ever half-phased anyone in the comics through something as solid and dense as a concrete floor?

-TNC

Boiiinng
04-06-2006, 11:38 AM
I know everyone's talking about how the Kitty/Juggernaut scene happens, but one thing that bothers me already is how Kitty comes through the floor. You can see her lower body kind of move a little like she was bumped or something. This move should be as seamless as possible. Just a little weird.

silver_arrow
04-06-2006, 11:49 AM
I actually have difficulty absorbing all these phasing talks. I say whatever.

TNC9852002
04-06-2006, 11:51 AM
I know everyone's talking about how the Kitty/Juggernaut scene happens, but one thing that bothers me already is how Kitty comes through the floor. You can see her lower body kind of move a little like she was bumped or something. This move should be as seamless as possible. Just a little weird.
But shouldn't she have to move a little bit? She needs to push herself up a little in order to phase upwards..

-TNC

PhoenixRising
04-06-2006, 11:53 AM
Ok, this is totally unrelated to the Kitty convo you guys are having. But I heard that the new parts in the 3 clips will be included with fully finished effects in the 3rd trailer that is supposed to come out early May.

Boiiinng
04-06-2006, 11:54 AM
But shouldn't she have to move a little bit? She needs to push herself up a little in order to phase upwards..

-TNC

I think I've seen her walk upwards in the comics, but when she phases enough I think she can simply float.

New Mutant
04-06-2006, 11:55 AM
Ok yeah, so I think Juggernaut's abilities give him the density that would dominate over the matter in that makes up the floor. Had it been anyone else, the steel and all that would crush their internal organs and rip apart their skin upon merging, but Juggernaut is way too powerful for that. Ok yeah, I think that's it.:O

I was reading through all these and was able to say the exact same thing. So I agree. I mean hello we just watched him bust through concrete walls by just ducking his head forward and running. The man is dense.

What I'm worried about is if Kitty knew that? Because otherwise, was she TRYING to kill him?

Boiiinng
04-06-2006, 11:57 AM
I was reading through all these and was able to say the exact same thing. So I agree. I mean hello we just watched him bust through concrete walls by just ducking his head forward and running. The man is dense.

What I'm worried about is if Kitty knew that? Because otherwise, was she TRYING to kill him?

The first time she killed someone like that in the comics, it really disturbed her to the point that she refused to do it again.

TNC9852002
04-06-2006, 11:57 AM
No, when she phases enough in the comics she simply floats.
I don't have enough fingers on my hand to count the number of things that the movie shows that the comic book never does...

In reality, if a person was phasing upward through concrete, I think they wouldn't be able to just float upwards at a constant speed without exerting any directional force. I think the movies have done a good job by making these weird powers believable while sticking to the essences and trademarks of the source material...If this is what they've done to Kitty's phasing powers, I think that'd be the reason for it.

This is all guessing and assuming of course.. :D

-TNC

PhoenixRising
04-06-2006, 11:59 AM
I was reading through all these and was able to say the exact same thing. So I agree. I mean hello we just watched him bust through concrete walls by just ducking his head forward and running. The man is dense.

What I'm worried about is if Kitty knew that? Because otherwise, was she TRYING to kill him?

Kitty is a fighter. That little glance and giggle she gave him says it all.

"Oh...You're still alive? Hehe."

My bet is... She knew exactly what she was doing and she WAS trying to kill him. She means business.

Boiiinng
04-06-2006, 11:59 AM
I don't have enough fingers on my hand to count the number of things that the movie shows that the comic book never does...

In reality, if a person was phasing upward through concrete, I think they wouldn't be able to just float upwards at a constant speed without exerting any directional force. I think the movies have done a good job by making these weird powers believable while sticking to the essences and trademarks of the source material...If this is what they've done to Kitty's phasing powers, I think that'd be the reason for it.

-TNC

I think I've seen her walk upwards in the comics.

Then again if she has to walk up invisible stairs to float, she isn't doing it in that scene, either.

What I meant to point out is that the floor bumps her butt, which seems like a bluescreen mistake.

Star-Titan
04-06-2006, 12:00 PM
the new tv spots are great, really gets you hyped up for the movie! i can't wait, i have a feeling this ones going to be amazing! :)

PhoenixRising
04-06-2006, 12:03 PM
the new tv spots are great, really gets you hyped up for the movie! i can't wait, i have a feeling this ones going to be amazing! :)

Welcome to the Hype.

New Mutant
04-06-2006, 12:03 PM
Does anyone else see that? It just seems too casual to me. It's a kiss a man would give his newlywed bride before going to work or something. It just seems...off to me for some reason. Thoughts?

He's not kissing her the way Wolverine kisses her.

I totally see it. As to why? Maybe because Scott knows that despite all they can do, coming back from the dead is not one of them. He probably doesn't believe it's Jean. Maybe he thinks it's Mystique. Or a delusion. Because the odds that if he goes up to the lake and blasts the water, up will pop his dead beloved are a trillion to one. Should could've risen any other day, or any other minute than that very minute he was there. It's all too crazy, and Scott is (despite how the movies treated him) the stoic, rational one of the group.

Star-Titan
04-06-2006, 12:04 PM
^thanks, its gonna be fun chatting to a bunch of other fans, with all the ideas and opinions everyone has

Aiden
04-06-2006, 12:07 PM
Welcome to the Hype Star-Titan

Star-Titan
04-06-2006, 12:08 PM
thanks again, this place is great

PhoenixRising
04-06-2006, 12:08 PM
thanks again, this place is great

We think so. :D

Jan Irisi
04-06-2006, 12:09 PM
He's not kissing her the way Wolverine kisses her.

I totally see it. As to why? Maybe because Scott knows that despite all they can do, coming back from the dead is not one of them. He probably doesn't believe it's Jean. Maybe he thinks it's Mystique. Or a delusion. Because the odds that if he goes up to the lake and blasts the water, up will pop his dead beloved are a trillion to one. Should could've risen any other day, or any other minute than that very minute he was there. It's all too crazy, and Scott is (despite how the movies treated him) the stoic, rational one of the group.


That's how I see it too. Something is amiss there. He's not believing his eyes...or like you said, he thinks it's Mystique or something. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but his reaction IMO is wrong or feels off for what I believe to be the gyst of the scene being played out. Not all is as it seems to be.

PhoenixRising
04-06-2006, 12:13 PM
That's how I see it too. Something is amiss there. He's not believing his eyes...or like you said, he thinks it's Mystique or something. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but his reaction IMO is wrong or feels off for what I believe to be the gyst of the scene being played out. Not all is as it seems to be.

Maybe it IS Mystique. It could be possible that....


OMG HEY WAIT.... OMG!!!

Magneto hears word that Cyclops is at Alkali Lake so he goes there and make Mystique pretend to be Jean, using that, Magneto kidnaps Scott and leads everyone to believe Jean killed him! THE X-MEN REJECT JEAN! AND SHE JOINS THE BROTHERHOOD!!!

Aiden
04-06-2006, 12:15 PM
That wouldn't explain how the doors fly off

PhoenixRising
04-06-2006, 12:17 PM
That wouldn't explain how the doors fly off

What doors? The ones in my avatar? The REAL Jean is the one found by Storm and Wolverine. So the real Jean is brought back to the X-Mansion.

Aiden
04-06-2006, 12:22 PM
I'm confuddled

Jan Irisi
04-06-2006, 12:25 PM
Maybe it IS Mystique. It could be possible that....


OMG HEY WAIT.... OMG!!!

Magneto hears word that Cyclops is at Alkali Lake so he goes there and make Mystique pretend to be Jean, using that, Magneto kidnaps Scott and leads everyone to believe Jean killed him! THE X-MEN REJECT JEAN! AND SHE JOINS THE BROTHERHOOD!!!

Or...perhaps Magneto (or Callisto or Arclight or whoever) gets hold of Scott, and Mystique poses as Scott when Jean emerges from the lake. (It is not Jean/Phoenix that causes the wave, but Arclight causing a concussive blast that knocks him back, knocking him out) The gang take the out cold Scott, and then Jean emerges from the lake to find the imposter waiting for her there.................

Hmmm.....

It's a possibility. That would explain the odd way he acts in that scene. When Jean kisses him/Mystique, she realizes who it is...hence her reaction at the end of the shown scene. (or Psylocke is involved in some way)

We'll know soon anyway.

WorthyStevens
04-06-2006, 12:28 PM
Or...perhaps Magneto (or Callisto or Arclight or whoever) gets hold of Scott, and Mystique poses as Scott when Jean emerges from the lake. (It is not Jean/Phoenix that causes the wave, but Arclight causing a concussive blast that knocks him back, knocking him out) The gang take the out cold Scott, and then Jean emerges from the lake to find the imposter waiting for her there.................

Hmmm.....

It's a possibility. That would explain the odd way he acts in that scene. When Jean kisses him/Mystique, she realizes who it is...hence her reaction at the end of the shown scene. (or Psylocke is involved in some way)

We'll know soon anyway.

I think it's just Cyke noticing the strong presence of Phoenix in Jean. HOWEVER, I do think that when Jean opens her eyes, she sees someone else at Alkali.

New Mutant
04-06-2006, 12:29 PM
Kitty is a fighter. That little glance and giggle she gave him says it all.

"Oh...You're still alive? Hehe."

My bet is... She knew exactly what she was doing and she WAS trying to kill him. She means business.

Well, that WOULD be a unique characterization, differentiating her from the others.

As far as the physics goes, when Kitty phased in X2, down through her bed and the floor underneath, the pillow and bed sprang up in recoil from her weight. It was as if her molecules dragged the pillow's molecules while passing through them. The walls don't recoil because they are more dense than pillows. And I wouldn't think she could float up through the floor without resistance.

But what if Colossus "fastball special"ed her up through the floor? The floor's density could have slowed her down from a full toss to a float.

PhoenixRising
04-06-2006, 12:31 PM
Or...perhaps Magneto (or Callisto or Arclight or whoever) gets hold of Scott, and Mystique poses as Scott when Jean emerges from the lake. (It is not Jean/Phoenix that causes the wave, but Arclight causing a concussive blast that knocks him back, knocking him out) The gang take the out cold Scott, and then Jean emerges from the lake to find the imposter waiting for her there.................

Hmmm.....

It's a possibility. That would explain the odd way he acts in that scene. When Jean kisses him/Mystique, she realizes who it is...hence her reaction at the end of the shown scene. (or Psylocke is involved in some way)

We'll know soon anyway.

Thats perfect. Maybe Mystique knocks Jean out? And thats why Jean is passed out when Storm and Logan find her.

PhoenixRising
04-06-2006, 12:33 PM
Well, that WOULD be a unique characterization, differentiating her from the others.

As far as the physics goes, when Kitty phased in X2, down through her bed and the floor underneath, the pillow and bed sprang up in recoil from her weight. It was as if her molecules dragged the pillow's molecules while passing through them. The walls don't recoil because they are more dense than pillows. And I wouldn't think she could float up through the floor without resistance.

But what if Colossus "fastball special"ed her up through the floor? The floor's density could have slowed her down from a full toss to a float.

The pillows sprang up because her head was on them before she phased. Not because her molecules dragged the pillows molecule. It was springing up from her head being on them and suddenly not. She doesnt effect anything she phases through in any way shape or form unless she WANTS TO. IMO, she didnt have a death sentence on those pillows.

Celestio
04-06-2006, 12:35 PM
Why is everyone assuming because she came up from the ground, she was in a room below.

What if they are on ground level, and she just goes underground for a few seconds before phasing back up?

Just a thought. :)

kytrigger
04-06-2006, 12:41 PM
It's true that he doesn't kiss her as hard or "passionate" as Logan, but remember Wolverine's an animal.

I think it's more like Cyke sees her and is in disbelief. Then she kisses Cyke and he just goes with it even though he is still in disbelief.

WorthyStevens
04-06-2006, 12:43 PM
It's true that he doesn't kiss her as hard or "passionate" as Logan, but remember Wolverine's an animal. I think it's more like he sees her and is in disbelief. The she kisses him, and he just goes with it even though he is still in disbelief.

Wolverine. That rat bastard! :mad:

New Mutant
04-06-2006, 12:55 PM
...She doesnt effect anything she phases through in any way shape or form unless she WANTS TO. IMO, she didnt have a death sentence on those pillows.

She affected the soldier she ran through after she hit the ground. He went "--woulf?!" and staggered back, and there was a whoush/splooshing sound. I got the impression he felt her pass through him.