The look of the Batsuit in Burton's Batman 3...

[LuiECuomo]

Anyone curious as to what the Batsuit may have evolved into had Burton continued the film series? It never made sense to me that he started B89 with a black muscle suit, continued it in BR with a sort of geometrical design, and BF picked up with Bats in a sort of streamlined version of the first film. What do you think the suit would have realistically looked like had Schumacher not gotten involved and Bob Ringwood continued putting Burton's vision to paper? For some reason, I think it would have been much different than what we got.

OT, but here are a few pics of what I think the BATMOBILE would have looked like in BF:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/ahai168/ahaibatmobile/1990skiaasamiyabatmobile.jpg
http://www.batmobilehistory.com/1999-batmobile.php
http://www.batmobilehistory.com/batman-manbat-batmobile.php

[HalloweenRes]

Hmmm.. I don't know. I think the batmobile would have looked the same, only with different capabilities, like in Returns.. I don't think the design would have changed; however, if it did, it wouldn't have changed that much. Then again, that first design is bad ass... I could see Burton doing something like that. Great pics.

[LuiECuomo]

Yeah, I was thinking probably the first or third designs are more in keeping in line with the original Batmobile. I think it would be cool to take the Bat-head off the front of the third one and place it on the front end of the first, and that would make for the perfect combination.

Anyway, I haven't been able to get a solid opinion of what the Batsuit would have looked like.

Check this link: http://www.milesteves.com/illustration.php

Do any of those Batsuits looks appropriate? They look very mechanical and "industrialized." However, they are probably a bit extreme. Although, if you color them black, they may be a bit more acceptable. Anyone up to that job?

[Boom]

http://www.milesteves.com/images/gallery/illustration/Batman-72.jpg

Believe it or not I kinda like the design of the bodysuit, with the exception of a few overly-mechanical elements.

[LuiECuomo]

Hey Boom, is your avatar from the Keep Fishin' video?

[Boom]

Hey Boom, is your avatar from the Keep Fishin' video?
No idea. I didn't make it.

[LuiECuomo]

It's from a Weezer music video, you know. LOL

[SHADOWBAT69]

actually the suit would have looked pretty similar to what we got in Forever. The sculpting had already taken place way before the casting/directing changeovers. That suit was being sculpted for Keaton, if you look at the cowls, the Panther and Returns are quit similar, it was all meant to be a more streamlined suit originaly, and thats what was made.

[cryptic name]

actually the suit would have looked pretty similar to what we got in Forever. The sculpting had already taken place way before the casting/directing changeovers. That suit was being sculpted for Keaton, if you look at the cowls, the Panther and Returns are quit similar, it was all meant to be a more streamlined suit originaly, and thats what was made.

there was already a suit being sculpted for keaton that was very similar to the panther suit. but shumacher ordered a redesign that added more defined musculature (hence the way overdone abs) a sleeker, shinier finish, and, of course, the nipples.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I would have liked to see what Keaton looked like in the panther suit, I guarantee way more badass than kilmer!!

[batmaluco]

http://www.milesteves.com/images/gallery/illustration/Batman-72.jpg

Believe it or not I kinda like the design of the bodysuit, with the exception of a few overly-mechanical elements.
I like it too, only the cape should be bigger. As we can see, it didn't have nipples. That was made by Joel Shoemaker's request... :(

[Thot]

I would have liked to see what Keaton looked like in the panther suit, I guarantee way more badass than kilmer!!

I dunno,...Kilmer was taller and looked more statuesque in the Batsuit. As much as I liked Keaton, his diminutive stature really hurt at times and was very noticable. I wonder if you held his head at arm's length if he would be able to hit you or just throw haymakers?

[cryptic name]

you wouldn't be able to because he'd have punched you in the throat and be dangling you over the ledge of a building before you realised he was there.
kilmer may have been taller, but keaton will always be scarier. he was like an undead monster sent to punish the criminals of gotham. kilmer was like a dude in a kinky suit who knew some kung fu.

[Thot]

you wouldn't be able to because he'd have punched you in the throat and be dangling you over the ledge of a building before you realised he was there.
kilmer may have been taller, but keaton will always be scarier. he was like an undead monster sent to punish the criminals of gotham. kilmer was like a dude in a kinky suit who knew some kung fu.

I didn't realise Michael Keaton was such an accomplished kung fu master! I was referring of course to the actor, not the actual Batman (which of course there isn't) Dig? Anyway, I thought Kilmer fit the role better physically, and I liked the panther suit better as well (even with the nipples, though I would prefer they weren't there) Bale is without a doubt the best physical fit for the Dark Knight, as well as for Bruce Wayne. I hope he sticks around for at least two more films.

[El Payaso]

As long as the actors don't have to go out to the streets to fight/scare real criminals, who cares of anything but that it does look good on screen?

[Thot]

As long as the actors don't have to go out to the streets to fight/scare real criminals, who cares of anything but that it does look good on screen?

Amen.

[cryptic name]

I didn't realise Michael Keaton was such an accomplished kung fu master! I was referring of course to the actor, not the actual Batman (which of course there isn't) Dig? Anyway, I thought Kilmer fit the role better physically, and I liked the panther suit better as well (even with the nipples, though I would prefer they weren't there) Bale is without a doubt the best physical fit for the Dark Knight, as well as for Bruce Wayne. I hope he sticks around for at least two more films.

i was also referring to the actual actor. michael keaton has powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men due to his consuming the souls of noobs with a poor sense of humor. dig?

[captain_jimbo]

I always wonder what Batman 3 would have been like had Burton directed it. I like Batman Forever, but it's nothing compared to the first two movies.

[Batman333]

Well, the Bat suit would of been different than the first two, but not as ghey as Joel's versions.

[cryptic name]

it would in all likelyhood simply be a sleeker, updated version of the 89 suit.

[LuiECuomo]

Why is that, though? I mean look at the Returns suit. It is, like I said above, a very geometrical, unrounded take on the B89 suit. What evidence would do you have that would indicate the suit going back to that original design for the third film?

[Batman333]

Now way....Burton would always want something new...no matter what..more gadgets on batmobile...different suit, etc....

[Azrael13]

I think we can all agree that Joel Schumacher ruined the Batman movies and that the catwoman movie sucked. Batman and Robin was one of the worst movies ever!

Joel Schumacher should be smacked around with a stack of comics

[cryptic name]

Why is that, though? I mean look at the Returns suit. It is, like I said above, a very geometrical, unrounded take on the B89 suit. What evidence would do you have that would indicate the suit going back to that original design for the third film?

i don't mean the exact same design, i mean the suit would have gone back to looking more organic and less automotive. as stated above, bob ringwood's initial designs for batman 3 were a lot like the panther suit, but with less ridiculous musculature and no nipples. that sounds a lot like an updated version of the 89 suit to me.

[Binker]

You know, muscle suit for B89 and body armor for BR, what would've the next step to take after that for the suit?

[Palpadious]

What would everyone here give to visit an alternative universe where Burton directed Batman 3 with Keaton starred? It would have kicked all sorts of ass.:batman:

[captain_jimbo]

What would everyone here give to visit an alternative universe where Burton directed Batman 3 with Keaton starred? It would have kicked all sorts of ass.:batman:

You are so right. It WOULD have kicked all sorts of ass!:up:

[ab38416]

there was already a suit being sculpted for keaton that was very similar to the panther suit. but shumacher ordered a redesign that added more defined musculature (hence the way overdone abs) a sleeker, shinier finish, and, of course, the nipples.

Keaton's panther suit would have been awesome.

[Buttman]

I think it'd have been practically the same as B&BR Tbh.

[Proximo]

The muscle detail's wouldn't be as big, They were most likley gonna be like in '89 but still a similiar design to what we got.
The cowl would look pretty much the same as we got in Forever aswell.

[cryptic name]

the cowl in forever was great. it improved upon the returns one, which was very good as well

[ab38416]

Was the black utility belt part of Ringwood's initial designs or was it Schumacher's idea?

[cryptic name]

i have no idea. i didn't really like the black utility belt, so i think i'll put that one on schumacher. my favorite thing about the panther suit, apart from the overall sleekness, is the symbol.
i also think had the suit been for keaton, the cape/cowl situation would've been more like 89 and returns. i don't like the look of the symbol as a clasp for the cape.

[LuiECuomo]

See, that's the problem. No concept art of the Panther suit exists so we can't really examine the design evolution as we were able to do in B89 and BR.

[Proximo]

Yeah we havent seen any concept art. But,they did many diffrent "test sculpts" that looked very alike of the actual suit they used.
But they did plenty of test sculpts.

I have a picture where you can see a test sculpt of the panther cowl that i got from a friend, It looked more like it did in returns, wich is what they based the panther suit on. Specially the cowl.

They also did diffrent kinds of Sonar suits, many prototype's. One of them was in fact black.
My friend from the States Visited the bat-shop when they made the suits, and he saw one of the stunt men wearing that Sonar suit in black, the design was a little diffrent from the silver one we got. But it looked better in black then silver acording to him, and the details were a little diffrent aswell.

[ab38416]

http://www.tomrichmond.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/bats1.jpg

[Proximo]

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[ab38416]

I didn't create it though. I was looking for decent pics of the suit and found this:

http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:r0BQAQN4fLEJ:www.tomrichmond.com/blog/%3Fp%3D413+batman+forever+panther+not+bulky+keaton&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&ie=UTF-8

[Proximo]

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[cryptic name]

proximo, do you know where one might purchase those armor pieces, or similar ones?

[Proximo]

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[cryptic name]

thanks, i will.

[Proximo]

This is me in one of my Panther cowls i have in my collection.
http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/9194/proximobotbkk8.jpg

[ab38416]

This is me in one of my Panther cowls i have in my collection.
http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/9194/proximobotbkk8.jpg

That's cool.

[Batman333]

http://i10.tinypic.com/2nswd39.jpg

[DocLathropBrown]

http://i10.tinypic.com/2nswd39.jpg

That's actually not bad! You just may want to blend the mask into Williams' face a little better. But otherwise, that's really good!

[ab38416]

Robin Williams would have been a great Riddler.

[Catman]

http://i10.tinypic.com/2nswd39.jpg

Not bad. You're getting better, dude!

[El Payaso]

http://i10.tinypic.com/2nswd39.jpg

Ha. I like it a lot :up:

[Mr. Socko]

That's a great job, I love it! Williams would have been great as The Riddler.


As for the bat-suits, Returns is still my all time favorite.

[Superman Prime]

Interesting poster. Robin Williams looks very menacing as The Riddler!

[Kevin Roegele]

http://www.tomrichmond.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/bats1.jpg

As many have said, take away the nipples and that's the best Batman costume ever made.

[ab38416]

http://www.patfullerton.com/batman/pix/batman/batman1995b.jpg

[GREEN =w= DAY]

http://www.patfullerton.com/batman/pix/batman/batman1995b.jpg

the Batman Forever suit is my one of my top 3 favorite suits. take away the nipples and it would be PERFECT!

[akPITT72]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v363/akPITT27/designforburtonsbatmanforever.jpg

[Superman Prime]

^ oooooooooooooooo

[LuiECuomo]

Wow, that's awesome!

Nice touch with removing the nipples. ;)

[gqxsensazn]

Can someone just remove the nipples from Val Kilmer's costume? I think that would be the best suit of the 4 movies.

[ab38416]

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[GoogleMe94]

personally, i dont think the suit would look like that fake muscle B89 suit. they had that in B89, in Returns it turned into more of an armored suit while still keeping the same belt and boots, and in burtons 3rd i believe the armored look would stay, the belt would stay, maybe it would be slightly changed, and the oval would stay. like the Returns suit was different but still retained elements of the B89 suit, same would happen with the 3rd movie suit, it would be different from Returns and B89 but still retain elements from both prior suits. i dont think they would go back to the fake muscle suit like they did in forever, it would probably be something along the lines of the Begins suit, but better.

[K.B.]

Everyone know that H.R. Giger did a design of the batmobile for BF right?

[ab38416]

personally, i dont think the suit would look like that fake muscle B89 suit. they had that in B89, in Returns it turned into more of an armored suit while still keeping the same belt and boots, and in burtons 3rd i believe the armored look would stay, the belt would stay, maybe it would be slightly changed, and the oval would stay. like the Returns suit was different but still retained elements of the B89 suit, same would happen with the 3rd movie suit, it would be different from Returns and B89 but still retain elements from both prior suits. i dont think they would go back to the fake muscle suit like they did in forever, it would probably be something along the lines of the Begins suit, but better.

Bob Ringwood already did the sculpting before Burton and Keaton dropped out. I believe someone mentioned that on this thread already. The suit was going to look very similar to the Kilmer one. Just no nipples and less stylized musculature. Probably no black belt either.

[DrakeRetro]

Everyone knows I don't like to post here, but this part of the forum seems to be ok. So I'm gonna share a pic I did a few years ago. It fits this topic very nice.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/y2kretro/BFMK.jpg

[fabman]

Everyone knows I don't like to post here, but this part of the forum seems to be ok. So I'm gonna share a pic I did a few years ago. It fits this topic very nice.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/y2kretro/BFMK.jpg

Great job... best Keaton-Forever manip I've seen!

[BatScot]

It seems unlikely that Burton—having transitioned to a more streamlined suit in BR—would have reverted back to the muscular approach used in B89. The probable scenario is that the BR suit would have been retained, more-or-less, and that if there was a fundamental change intended it was more likely to have been toward a ‘Sonar’ approach rather than Panther.

[SHADOWBAT69]

No, it was going to go back to the more organic styling. The suit was already being designed for Keaton, as was mentioned earlier. I think by me and Proximo. The Forever Panther cowl is Keatons cowl, that was never changed.

[ab38416]

Everyone knows I don't like to post here, but this part of the forum seems to be ok. So I'm gonna share a pic I did a few years ago. It fits this topic very nice.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/y2kretro/BFMK.jpg

Nice. Though I still believe they would have kept the yellow utility belt.

[ab38416]

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