What could happen to Spider-Man after Civil War?

[stillanerd]

Or what I like to call Crazy Spider-Man/Civil War theory Version 4.0.

There is a rumor going around, as some may know, that Spider-Man may reveal to the world that he’s Peter Parker in the upcoming Civil War. Newsarama has reported in an advanced look at the scripts for issues 1 and 2, that Spider-Man “does something shocking” sometime during those issues; advanced solicits are saying he makes a “life-altering decision;” it’s all but confirmed that he’s on Iron Man’s side, and since Tony Stark is pro-registration, meaning that Peter would have to reveal to somebody that he’s Spider-Man; and one of the questions in Wizard’s Civil War spoiler quiz states “Which hero publicly reveals his identity to the world?” with Spider-Man as one of the choices.

So let’s say Spider-Man does reveal he’s Peter Parker to the world: what would happen next?

Well, after the shocked and amazed reactions by all his supporting cast and villains, I can imagine the following chain of events:

*Mary Jane is furious with Peter for having not consulted with her about making such a decision, and the unwanted media attention she recieves doesn't help, especially when asked questions like “Mrs. Parker, how long have you known?” “What impact do you think this will have on your career?” and “What’s it like having sex with a human spider?” Peter of course tries to justify this by saying the federal government will offer better protection for them than he would by himself, but he’s on thin ice with her now.

*J. Jonah Jameson pretty much disavows Peter Parker, all but calling him a con-artist, and hypocritically says “Hey, if he wanted the publicity, all he had to do was ask and come to me.” We’d also find whether Joe Robertson has known and for how long. Likewise, Peter no longer has his teaching job because the school is afraid his presence would bring unwanted attention and possible legal action, which Peter responds with “To hell with them anyway. I’m getting far more money being Spider-Man now than I ever did as Peter Parker.”

*The Green Goblin, furious over Peter revealing his identity, and thus removing the one hold he had over him, decides to exact his revenge on Spidey. In the ensuing battle with the Goblin, Aunt May becomes hospitalized due to injuries, and the authorities manage to incarcerate Norman Osborn again. Of course, Spidey blames himself for what has happened.

*Spidey becomes more and more disillusioned with Tony Stark and the rest of the pro-registration side’s methods. The final straw comes when Captain America is arrested. Spider-Man manages to break Cap out of prison, and by doing so, he becomes a fugitive. Feeling that he’s now effectively severed all ties, Spidey mentally commands his suit to change to resemble his classic red and blues (yes, he doesn’t look like “Iron Spidey” anymore, but he’s still wearing the suit, which means it still has all it’s functions like body armor, underarm web gliders, and spider-leg/waldos.)

*Realizing he’s a wanted man, Peter says good-bye to MJ (who is now in a safe house a la witness protection) and tells her to tell Aunt May what has happened, and hits the road (maybe the next ASM arc from JMS will be called “Road Trip”). Basically, Peter adopts the Ben Reilly identity--just in time with the anniversary of the end of the Clone Saga--and basically he becomes “The Fugitive” of the Marvel Universe, drifting from various working class jobs in different towns and helping folks as Spider-Man. And since his costume can mimic whatever clothing he wants, he now can disguise himself to avoid capture from the authorities. (Of course, he’ll also be involved in the Beyond mini series, but the comics won’t tie in with that.)

*Tony Stark essentially recruits Flash Thompson--or possibly John Jameson--to become the "new" Spider-Man by giving him a spare Iron-Spidey suit that also increases the wearer's strength, agility, and has built-in web shooters (although he’ll have a different moniker other than Spider-Man). This of course, not only makes him take Spidey’s place on the New Avengers, but sets up the eventual Peter Parker/Spider-Man vs. the "new" Spider-Man, in which somehow Peter Parker will convince everybody that he wasn’t really Spider-Man (thanks to the magic of the Marvel retcon). Naturally, this happens around the release of the third Spider-Man film.[/URL]

Ridiculous? Yeah, maybe. Then again, whoever thought we see Spidey having stingers that pop out a la Wolverine, or a red and gold costume, or teamed up with the Avengers? Stranger things have happened. So, what do you think could happen if Spidey’s revealed his identity, and what could happen to him after Civil War is over?

[Rez]

....I think you should be writing for Marvel, because that my friend kicks ass.

Mostly the part about him being Ben.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

He'll probably end up shootin' organic webs out his butt.

[KingOfDreams]

I could actually see all of that happening.

[Abaddon]

Plausible,not that I'd like it.

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

Compared to the crap that JMS has given us... this thing rocks! even if it has an exposed Pete... I know someone is going to hate it cause MJ's alive...

[RAMORE]

could be cool if handled right but they would screw it up. however it would be cool if at the end ben reilly shows up as spiderman while pete holds a news conference announcing it wasn't true then we have ben back:D

[MaxCarnage]

While your storyline is plausible in the current environment and seems like it could very well be the way things play out, no offense, it sucks. Not what you've written or how you've written it, but that it's a possibility at all. Every post after yours should have been calling you a crackpot or saying that it was totally impossible, but instead we are all thinking about how this is probably what will happen in some fashion.

As to your question, since Civil War is just starting, it's hard to speculate what will happen afterward. I think you're probably pretty much on the right track, though I am pretty sure that MJ's death will likely also be a catalyst for Peter revealing his ID, since May will probably end up being with Jarvis safe in the Avengers HQ. So Pete will feel like, with all of his ties cut already, he may as well reveal his identity. Whether he comes to regret that decision or not who's to say. I know that I will.

[3dman27]

Or what I like to call Crazy Spider-Man/Civil War theory Version 4.0.

There is a rumor going around, as some may know, that Spider-Man may reveal to the world that he’s Peter Parker in the upcoming Civil War. Newsarama has reported in an advanced look at the scripts for issues 1 and 2, that Spider-Man “does something shocking” sometime during those issues; advanced solicits are saying he makes a “life-altering decision;” it’s all but confirmed that he’s on Iron Man’s side, and since Tony Stark is pro-registration, meaning that Peter would have to reveal to somebody that he’s Spider-Man; and one of the questions in Wizard’s Civil War spoiler quiz states “Which hero publicly reveals his identity to the world?” with Spider-Man as one of the choices.

So let’s say Spider-Man does reveal he’s Peter Parker to the world: what would happen next?

Well, after the shocked and amazed reactions by all his supporting cast and villains, I can imagine the following chain of events:

*Mary Jane is furious with Peter for having not consulted with her about making such a decision, and the unwanted media attention she recieves doesn't help, especially when asked questions like “Mrs. Parker, how long have you known?” “What impact do you think this will have on your career?” and “What’s it like having sex with a human spider?” Peter of course tries to justify this by saying the federal government will offer better protection for them than he would by himself, but he’s on thin ice with her now.

*J. Jonah Jameson pretty much disavows Peter Parker, all but calling him a con-artist, and hypocritically says “Hey, if he wanted the publicity, all he had to do was ask and come to me.” We’d also find whether Joe Robertson has known and for how long. Likewise, Peter no longer has his teaching job because the school is afraid his presence would bring unwanted attention and possible legal action, which Peter responds with “To hell with them anyway. I’m getting far more money being Spider-Man now than I ever did as Peter Parker.”

*The Green Goblin, furious over Peter revealing his identity, and thus removing the one hold he had over him, decides to exact his revenge on Spidey. In the ensuing battle with the Goblin, Aunt May becomes hospitalized due to injuries, and the authorities manage to incarcerate Norman Osborn again. Of course, Spidey blames himself for what has happened.

*Spidey becomes more and more disillusioned with Tony Stark and the rest of the pro-registration side’s methods. The final straw comes when Captain America is arrested. Spider-Man manages to break Cap out of prison, and by doing so, he becomes a fugitive. Feeling that he’s now effectively severed all ties, Spidey mentally commands his suit to change to resemble his classic red and blues (yes, he doesn’t look like “Iron Spidey” anymore, but he’s still wearing the suit, which means it still has all it’s functions like body armor, underarm web gliders, and spider-leg/waldos.)

*Realizing he’s a wanted man, Peter says good-bye to MJ (who is now in a safe house a la witness protection) and tells her to tell Aunt May what has happened, and hits the road (maybe the next ASM arc from JMS will be called “Road Trip”). Basically, Peter adopts the Ben Reilly identity--just in time with the anniversary of the end of the Clone Saga--and basically he becomes “The Fugitive” of the Marvel Universe, drifting from various working class jobs in different towns and helping folks as Spider-Man. And since his costume can mimic whatever clothing he wants, he now can disguise himself to avoid capture from the authorities. (Of course, he’ll also be involved in the Beyond mini series, but the comics won’t tie in with that.)

*Tony Stark essentially recruits Flash Thompson--or possibly John Jameson--to become the "new" Spider-Man by giving him a spare Iron-Spidey suit that also increases the wearer's strength, agility, and has built-in web shooters (although he’ll have a different moniker other than Spider-Man). This of course, not only makes him take Spidey’s place on the New Avengers, but sets up the eventual Peter Parker/Spider-Man vs. the "new" Spider-Man, in which somehow Peter Parker will convince everybody that he wasn’t really Spider-Man (thanks to the magic of the Marvel retcon). Naturally, this happens around the release of the third Spider-Man film.[/URL]

Ridiculous? Yeah, maybe. Then again, whoever thought we see Spidey having stingers that pop out a la Wolverine, or a red and gold costume, or teamed up with the Avengers? Stranger things have happened. So, what do you think could happen if Spidey’s revealed his identity, and what could happen to him after Civil War is over?a slightly different moniker as in SCARLET SPIDER?

[UK_Stu]

Stillanerd you've got too much time on your hands!

Seriously, you've got some good ideas there. A feasible way to get out of the mess the Spidey-verse is in at the minute.

[Effect]

Stilanerd I really like that. All but that last bit about possibly Flash getting the suit. With him being the current ******* that he is, I couldn't think of an even bigger insult to Spidey/Peter and well fans as well. Just my feeling. If he wasn't "old Flash" at the moment then maybe that could work.

Isn't Eddie Brock still alive or they made his death vague?

Having MJ get upset and recived unwanted media attention would be good. Though since she likes being in the spotlight I wonder if she'd really mind. Though the negative focus would be interesting. Which has always made me wonder, since she didn't seem to have much trouble from what I understand it seperating from Peter and going to Cali to have fun, make money, etc while leaving him alone, if she really knows how it feels to be on the serious negative end of the media the way Peter has been for such a long time now. Would make this interest to see if she really has what it takes to stick by him or if it gets to much and she runs way from the situation as a result. Isn't that what happen last time the two split?

[stillanerd]

While your storyline is plausible in the current environment and seems like it could very well be the way things play out, no offense, it sucks. Not what you've written or how you've written it, but that it's a possibility at all. Every post after yours should have been calling you a crackpot or saying that it was totally impossible, but instead we are all thinking about how this is probably what will happen in some fashion.

No offense taken (besides, I thought I already was a crackpot :D)

As to your question, since Civil War is just starting, it's hard to speculate what will happen afterward. I think you're probably pretty much on the right track, though I am pretty sure that MJ's death will likely also be a catalyst for Peter revealing his ID, since May will probably end up being with Jarvis safe in the Avengers HQ. So Pete will feel like, with all of his ties cut already, he may as well reveal his identity. Whether he comes to regret that decision or not who's to say. I know that I will.

Well, the other possibility I thought was that MJ, not Aunt May, gets injured and hospitalized during the attack by the Green Goblin, and that we're not sure whether or not MJ will live or die (she survives, of course, but Peter, due to being a fugitive, is gone by that point).

Stilanerd I really like that. All but that last bit about possibly Flash getting the suit. With him being the current ******* that he is, I couldn't think of an even bigger insult to Spidey/Peter and well fans as well. Just my feeling. If he wasn't "old Flash" at the moment then maybe that could work.
Good point. Which is why I think John Jameson would be an exceptable alternative.

Isn't Eddie Brock still alive or they made his death vague?
Good question.

Having MJ get upset and recived unwanted media attention would be good. Though since she likes being in the spotlight I wonder if she'd really mind. Though the negative focus would be interesting. Which has always made me wonder, since she didn't seem to have much trouble from what I understand it seperating from Peter and going to Cali to have fun, make money, etc while leaving him alone, if she really knows how it feels to be on the serious negative end of the media the way Peter has been for such a long time now. Would make this interest to see if she really has what it takes to stick by him or if it gets to much and she runs way from the situation as a result. Isn't that what happen last time the two split?

Peter and MJ split last time because she felt that Peter was taking her for granted and didn't play an important role with regards to his life as Spider-Man. Also, it's been my impression that MJ, like most people who seek the spotlight, likes to receive positive attention rather than negative attention.

[Abaddon]

What would make it even better is if MJ revelaed that the Black Cat told her she secretely had a daughter with Pete that she gave up for adoption.

[SpideyStu2]

Umm, according the Amazing Spider-Man #529 and 530, Tony Stark is not "Pro-Registration". Peter and Tony go to Washington to argue the point of the registration act.

[stillanerd]

Umm, according the Amazing Spider-Man #529 and 530, Tony Stark is not "Pro-Registration". Peter and Tony go to Washington to argue the point of the registration act.

However, prior to this, he was saying, in New Avengers: Illuminati Special (and also Fantastic Four #536) that the heroes should publicy come out IN FAVOR of registration:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0603/22/ff5365.jpg

As for this seeming contradiction, I believe he's attempting to stop registration from taking place by attempting to beat the politicians at their own game by arguing against it as Tony while publicly supporting it as Iron Man, meaning if he gains trust with the public, then the act looses public support as well. Of course, the explosion at Stamford that leads to Civil War ends up him resorting to plan B, which is to support registration--which thanks to Newsarama, we know that's the side he will lead.

[LarryLegend]

Stillanerd, very plausible stuff considering what's happening. Well thought out and written, you are better than anybody writing Spider-Man right now. Wait that might not mean much but still you know what I mean, good job.

[ragingdemon155]

Well, according to Marvel the Civil War is gonna shake up the Spider-verse like never before. I mean, I've been hearing that about every single 616 Spider-man issue lately. All signs seem to be pointing at Spider-man's ID becoming public. I really hope that doesn't happen.

[dan1]

Stillanerd, very plausible stuff considering what's happening. Well thought out and written, you are better than anybody writing Spider-Man right now. Wait that might not mean much but still you know what I mean, good job.

I agree, good stuff.

[SouLeSS]

I still want what I've been saying to happen.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223659

[SpideyInATree]

*Mary Jane is furious with Peter for having not consulted with her about making such a decision, and the unwanted media attention she recieves doesn't help, especially when asked questions like “Mrs. Parker, how long have you known?” “What impact do you think this will have on your career?” and “What’s it like having sex with a human spider?” Peter of course tries to justify this by saying the federal government will offer better protection for them than he would by himself, but he’s on thin ice with her now.

*J. Jonah Jameson pretty much disavows Peter Parker, all but calling him a con-artist, and hypocritically says “Hey, if he wanted the publicity, all he had to do was ask and come to me.” We’d also find whether Joe Robertson has known and for how long. Likewise, Peter no longer has his teaching job because the school is afraid his presence would bring unwanted attention and possible legal action, which Peter responds with “To hell with them anyway. I’m getting far more money being Spider-Man now than I ever did as Peter Parker.”

*The Green Goblin, furious over Peter revealing his identity, and thus removing the one hold he had over him, decides to exact his revenge on Spidey. In the ensuing battle with the Goblin, Aunt May becomes hospitalized due to injuries, and the authorities manage to incarcerate Norman Osborn again. Of course, Spidey blames himself for what has happened.

*Spidey becomes more and more disillusioned with Tony Stark and the rest of the pro-registration side’s methods. The final straw comes when Captain America is arrested. Spider-Man manages to break Cap out of prison, and by doing so, he becomes a fugitive. Feeling that he’s now effectively severed all ties, Spidey mentally commands his suit to change to resemble his classic red and blues (yes, he doesn’t look like “Iron Spidey” anymore, but he’s still wearing the suit, which means it still has all it’s functions like body armor, underarm web gliders, and spider-leg/waldos.)

*Realizing he’s a wanted man, Peter says good-bye to MJ (who is now in a safe house a la witness protection) and tells her to tell Aunt May what has happened, and hits the road (maybe the next ASM arc from JMS will be called “Road Trip”). Basically, Peter adopts the Ben Reilly identity--just in time with the anniversary of the end of the Clone Saga--and basically he becomes “The Fugitive” of the Marvel Universe, drifting from various working class jobs in different towns and helping folks as Spider-Man. And since his costume can mimic whatever clothing he wants, he now can disguise himself to avoid capture from the authorities. (Of course, he’ll also be involved in the Beyond mini series, but the comics won’t tie in with that.)

*Tony Stark essentially recruits Flash Thompson--or possibly John Jameson--to become the "new" Spider-Man by giving him a spare Iron-Spidey suit that also increases the wearer's strength, agility, and has built-in web shooters (although he’ll have a different moniker other than Spider-Man). This of course, not only makes him take Spidey’s place on the New Avengers, but sets up the eventual Peter Parker/Spider-Man vs. the "new" Spider-Man, in which somehow Peter Parker will convince everybody that he wasn’t really Spider-Man (thanks to the magic of the Marvel retcon). Naturally, this happens around the release of the third Spider-Man film.[/URL]

Overall, pretty interesting ideas...some pretty out there...but the first one about Mary Jane I completely, and TOTALLY disagree with.

Come on. From one Spider-Man fan to another...would Peter Parker publically reveal himself without consulting Mary Jane and Aunt May first? I THINK NOT!! If Pete did come to the decision to unmask himself that's the first thing he'd do is discuss it with MJ and Aunt May, tell them the concerns and things they could be facing, etc.

I highly doubt that he wouldn't tell her that. Especially what has happened recently, with him almost dying and all. And all the past history they've gone through as a couple...Peter would DEFINITELY tell her.

I like Green Goblin getting pissed. Because that would be true. Osborn would be livid if he found out Pete went public on his own.

As for Flash Thompson or John Jameson as a second Spidey? Meh. Hasn't John Jameson been through enough? He gets made into a superhero by some mysterious spore. He's already the Man-Wolf. I think John Jameson has had his share of character developments. And Flash...well, it'd be neat at first but it's something that I wouldn't want to see lasting.

I'm probably very much in the minority, as usual. I'm really excited to see what happens. If it IS the mask that comes off it's a story possibility that I've been wanting to see for a very long time. How JJJ reacts. How Flash reacts. How the general public reacts to Spider-Man, the menace, the hero, being a regular guy...former photographer and teacher. Has a wife and sweet Aunt, yet goes out and risks his life to save the people. It'll be interesting to see how Joe Public reacts to it all. How Spidey's villains will react, not just Green Goblin. What about the small time villains who didn't know Spidey's identity. How will they feel? Will some of them give up the obsession against Spidey knowing he's just a regular guy like them? Who knows. It's all very interesting to me.

But if it's Mary Jane getting offed. I WILL be in these Spidey forums shouting a big, "I told you so". :o

[stillanerd]

Overall, pretty interesting ideas...some pretty out there...but the first one about Mary Jane I completely, and TOTALLY disagree with.

Come on. From one Spider-Man fan to another...would Peter Parker publically reveal himself without consulting Mary Jane and Aunt May first? I THINK NOT!! If Pete did come to the decision to unmask himself that's the first thing he'd do is discuss it with MJ and Aunt May, tell them the concerns and things they could be facing, etc.

I highly doubt that he wouldn't tell her that. Especially what has happened recently, with him almost dying and all. And all the past history they've gone through as a couple...Peter would DEFINITELY tell her.

You now, that's a very good point SIAT. Very likely, Peter probably would tell MJ and Aunt May before hand--and it would make for a nice debate between them. Still, given that he kept the secret about his being Spider-Man from the ones he loved for so many years, and seeing how she kept secrets from him about Gwen's kids (which was REALLY out of character for her) he might have a little reluctance about telling her what he was going to do before hand. Still, props to you. :)

As for Flash Thompson or John Jameson as a second Spidey? Meh. Hasn't John Jameson been through enough? He gets made into a superhero by some mysterious spore. He's already the Man-Wolf. I think John Jameson has had his share of character developments. And Flash...well, it'd be neat at first but it's something that I wouldn't want to see lasting.

Of course not. If such a thing were to happen, it would last until Spidey somehow got his ID back.

I'm probably very much in the minority, as usual. I'm really excited to see what happens. If it IS the mask that comes off it's a story possibility that I've been wanting to see for a very long time. How JJJ reacts. How Flash reacts. How the general public reacts to Spider-Man, the menace, the hero, being a regular guy...former photographer and teacher. Has a wife and sweet Aunt, yet goes out and risks his life to save the people. It'll be interesting to see how Joe Public reacts to it all. How Spidey's villains will react, not just Green Goblin. What about the small time villains who didn't know Spidey's identity. How will they feel? Will some of them give up the obsession against Spidey knowing he's just a regular guy like them? Who knows. It's all very interesting to me.

But if it's Mary Jane getting offed. I WILL be in these Spidey forums shouting a big, "I told you so". :o

Well, the problem with Peter unmasking himself before the entire world is, while it would be great to see all the reactions from the other characters, the problem would be how to fix it. After all, Spider-Man HAS TO HAVE a secret identity in order for the character to work. That's why the few times he HAS BEEN UNMASKED it always lasted for a short time and he ended up maintaining his secret identity in the end. I would not rather see it happen, but if it does, then hopefully somebody at Marvel has a plan...maybe.

As for MJ, I know you hate the marriage but killing her off (which was done before) would be a mistake. Then again, I probably can't convince you of that anyways. :)

[Cullen]

As for MJ, I know you hate the marriage but killing her off (which was done before) would be a mistake.But a man can dream, can't he? :(

I know I'm butting in a bit here, but I agree. I hate the character to hell and back, but killing MJ would be a mistake. At least doing so as "motivation" for Peter.

[LarryLegend]

But a man can dream, can't he? :(

I know I'm butting in a bit here, but I agree. I hate the character to hell and back, but killing MJ would be a mistake. At least doing so as "motivation" for Peter.

You hate MJ? I mean I'm a Gwen man myself but I would say I hate MJ.

[Cullen]

You hate MJ? I mean I'm a Gwen man myself but I would say I hate MJ.Oh God yes. Have for years. There was this little mind game she played with Peter (flirting with Flash as I recall it) that really made me mad. Bear in mind this was far in the way-back when I was a kid. But Childhood Hatred, like Childhood Love, is a hard thing to break.

While the marriage was quite the blow to me, I kept reading the comics after it. Sometimes she would be... okay, but for the most part she seemed (to me at any rate, and at the time) a wanna-be Gwen. More and more the 616MJ reads like the stereotypical Wife/Mother to me, the kind you see in far too many movies and t.v. shows. The Wendy to Peter's Peter Pan, if you will.

(MovieMJ and UltimateMJ are okay by me, incidentally.)

I'm sure someone can point out a flaw in my thinking, and that's fine with me. I'd rather like a prominent character than wish she was stepped on by Godzilla (twice.) But it has been somewhere around twenty years of dislike....

[stillanerd]

Oh God yes. Have for years. There was this little mind game she played with Peter (flirting with Flash as I recall it) that really made me mad. Bear in mind this was far in the way-back when I was a kid. But Childhood Hatred, like Childhood Love, is a hard thing to break.

While the marriage was quite the blow to me, I kept reading the comics after it. Sometimes she would be... okay, but for the most part she seemed (to me at any rate, and at the time) a wanna-be Gwen. More and more the 616MJ reads like the stereotypical Wife/Mother to me, the kind you see in far too many movies and t.v. shows. The Wendy to Peter's Peter Pan, if you will.

(MovieMJ and UltimateMJ are okay by me, incidentally.)

I'm sure someone can point out a flaw in my thinking, and that's fine with me. I'd rather like a prominent character than wish she was stepped on by Godzilla (twice.) But it has been somewhere around twenty years of dislike....

I think part of your frustration comes from the fact that after she was married, the writers wrote MJ out of character to be either "Mrs. Spider-Man" or a nagging housewife (sort of like what happened in the case of Superman's marriage to Lois Lane). Even worse was when they made her a successful supermodel/soap actress, and thus removing the idea that Peter was supposed to be a character who had to make ends meet and never seemed to get rich.

Peter and MJ relationship works if they have opposite personalities; he always feels he has to do something, while she just wants to relax and have some fun. That's one of the problems I had with the "Brainy Janey" version of MJ over in Ultimate--it made her and Peter too much alike, so it's no wonder why some fans of that comic like his relationship with Kitty Pryde over her (the only time Bendis seemed to get MJ right was Ultimate Spider-Man #13). Movie MJ, while definately "Gwenish," still has a bit of that happy-go-lucky aspect to her, and I think Sean McKeever's MJ (although saccrine as that comic is) seems to be how Ultimate MJ should've been written.

JMS, to his credit, actually writes a very decent Peter/MJ relationship. However, if other writers need an example a more recent example of how to write a proper MJ, they have to look no further than Spider-Man:Blue...or they can always read some back issues. :)

[LarryLegend]

Stillanred, nice take on MJ. Very true, she can be well written but like Spider-Man overall often hasn't been recently.

[stillanerd]

Stillanred, nice take on MJ. Very true, she can be well written but like Spider-Man overall often hasn't been recently.

Oh, I'm sure other people can have better takes on MJ than I do, but thanks. Granted, she's a party girl, but nowhere near the level of Black Cat, and just because she's Peter's wife doesn't mean she has to be a "Saintly Gwen" type (which, BTW, is out of character for Gwen as well).

[Cullen]

I think part of your frustration comes from the fact that after she was married, the writers wrote MJ out of character to be either "Mrs. Spider-Man" or a nagging housewife (sort of like what happened in the case of Superman's marriage to Lois Lane). Even worse was when they made her a successful supermodel/soap actress, and thus removing the idea that Peter was supposed to be a character who had to make ends meet and never seemed to get rich.

Peter and MJ relationship works if they have opposite personalities; he always feels he has to do something, while she just wants to relax and have some fun. That's one of the problems I had with the "Brainy Janey" version of MJ over in Ultimate--it made her and Peter too much alike, so it's no wonder why some fans of that comic like his relationship with Kitty Pryde over her (the only time Bendis seemed to get MJ right was Ultimate Spider-Man #13). Movie MJ, while definately "Gwenish," still has a bit of that happy-go-lucky aspect to her, and I think Sean McKeever's MJ (although saccrine as that comic is) seems to be how Ultimate MJ should've been written.

JMS, to his credit, actually writes a very decent Peter/MJ relationship. However, if other writers need an example a more recent example of how to write a proper MJ, they have to look no further than Spider-Man:Blue...or they can always read some back issues. :)I agree with LarryLegend: Nice post. I didn't care too much for Party MJ, but something truer to that would be ever so much better than the stereotype we sometimes get.

[BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN]

Great discussion going on here, and if i could toss in my 10 cents- i'd say that while i don't like the idea of Peter having to reveal his identity to the masses, or the idea of him becoming a fugitive makes me hurl BLOOD! I'm really appalled that Marvel has to go to these type of lengths: killing/reincarnating Spider-Man, turning him into a Man-Spider, changing his costume to that God-awful red & gold monstrosity, new powers, Spider-stingers, and NOW- possibly revealing his secert identity! Of all the other things i've mentioned, this one here is "the needle that'll break the camels back" for me as a fan. Maintaining his ID has always been one of Peter's number one priorities since becoming Spider-Man, to protect his loved ones from his enemies as Spider-Man, and though he's a member of the Avengers where his identity is known- why must the public know too? Why would he set himself up for all the heat he'd catch as a result of it? His life would be HELL. Regardless if he was under Federal protection, what would stop his enemies from getting to him still? Now don't get me wrong, it WOULD make for an interesting read, but after the shock value dies out- then what? Just look at the hell Matt Murdock is going through since his secert identity has been known, he single-handedly brought down the Kingpin- thus shaking up the entire crime underworld, and they're coming down on him like he did the killing! I just don't think this'll be a good move, but then again- when did Marvel start caring about the readers' opinions? Spider-Man is my favorite superhero- period. I just think that'd suck if he goes public, or had to become a fugitive wandering the country a la Ben Reilly. That doesn't even sound right.

[BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN]

Also, i like MJ- she keeps balance in Peter's hectic life, and i was happy that they got back together too. I will agree that the different writers have strayed away from MJ's true charaterization/personality over the years, and have been writting very "Gwen-like". Does killing her off make Spider-Man a better read? It was just a thought...

[TheWhiteSpider]

What I like to call Crazy Spider-Man/Civil War theory Version 4.0.

Really interesting ideas, Still. I wouldn't want to see all of them happen, but still interesting.


Ridiculous? Yeah, maybe. Then again, whoever thought we see Spidey having stingers that pop out a la Wolverine, or a red and gold costume, or teamed up with the Avengers? Stranger things have happened. So, what do you think could happen if Spidey’s revealed his identity, and what could happen to him after Civil War is over?

Here's what I think could happen:

* Aunt May Opposes Peter Revealing Himself to the Masses. More than a concern for herself, she fears that Peter [and MJ] will be targeted by the dozens of super powered lunatics he's battled over the years, and worries the government won't properly protect him. Remember, Aunt May is anti-establishment and is known to engage in protests. She's also taken up the cause to defend Spider-Man from those who would malign him. May is also a contemporary of Captain America and will most likely see his side as respresenting the "American Way." Add in Shield's arrest of Pete, and I foresee a raging mad golden oldie.

Aunt May: "What's this about you swearing loyalty to Iron Man, Peter?! Haven't Ben and I taught you that your first loyalty is to doing what's right?" .

* Mary Jane supports Peter. Mary Jane has been with Peter through thick and thin. How many times has she been on the run from madmen trying to get to her husband through her? She's lost more than anyone can be asked to lose because Spider-Man can't be in all places or counter every twisted scheme put into motion against him, sometimes years in advance. She saw first hand what can happen to women who love and are loved by Peter Parker, and it's a burden she bears everyday of her life. MJ's tired of the worry, the fear. She's a sharp girl, she can see where life in Avenger's tower is leading, and where Pete and Tony's friendship is headed, in particular. MJ thinks it's about time Tony, the Avengers and the U.S. government had Peter's back for once.

Spidey Gets Caught in The Middle: Peter greatly admires Cap and his views, but thinks Tony is being responsible and trying to prevent further loss of life. This and Tony's friendship appeals to his sensibilities. Spidey is somehow arrested by SHIELD [it's too soon for a fallout with Tony, which was my original notion] and Cap bursts him out, asking him to take a look at what's happening to the nation and to join him, but a morose Peter turns him down. Cap tells Pete that he believes he'll eventually do the right thing, just as he believed Spider-Man belonged shoulder-to-shoulder with him as an Avenger.

I like what you speculated concerning Jameson. I'd only add a private scene where he questions whether or not he would gone after Spider-Man the way he did if he had known it was Peter.

Peter's World Begins to Crumble
Tony is granted ever more power and control as the desire to put a quick end to the rebellion increases. Spidey soon learns that for Iron Man the ends justify his means, and IM unleashes swift and brutal force against the outmanned and outgunned rebels. A small, determined group led by Cap refuses to go down without a bitter fight. Meanwhile, a villain other than G.G. or Gargan attacks Aunt May returning from a rally and hospitalizes her. As she lies unconscious, Peter remembers their last conversation. A newsflash confirms that the rebels' leader, Captain America, has been captured and Spidey heads back to Tony.

Thinking that things have ended and are now headed towards some sense of normalcy, Peter returns to find Iron Man ordering that "moderate physical pressure" be applied to Cap in order to learn the whereabouts of other resistance cells. Pete is disgusted and he and Tony argue over the matter. Tony tells Peter he's being naive, and there won't always be someone there to guide him along -- he has to come to terms with life as it is. Pete tells Stark he's more interested in the way it [I]should be, and takes off.

Spider-Man arrives practically out of nowhere and breaks a weakened Cap out of the secretly constructed and recently revealed meta-human prison -- in a riveting fight scene pitting the two against an armada of SHIELD guards. Pete says he's just returning the favor, and Cap states that "in the end you always make the right choice."

Spider-Man vs. Iron Man
Tony is both angered and disappointed to learn Peter has gotten involved and broken Cap out of jail. He thinks of how he feared from the beginning that an example would have to be made of Spider-Man; and heaven help him, he might be the one who's forced to do it. Spidey's main concern is to get the exhausted Cap back to the base of the anti-reg. cells. Iron Man and his sentinels arrive just as they reach the entrance.
Cap stands to fight but Pete knows he's in no condition. Pete turns to confront Tony as Cap's team emerges to help him inside, some remaining to fight. Tony pleads with Peter to come to his senses and help him do what's best for everyone. Pete refuses to let Tony gain access and arrest the resisters. Iron Man asks a final time for Spider-Man to do the right thing, to which Peter replies: "I will." With that the festivities commence..

Not a Fight They Can Win
I said before that the anti-reg group could not claim victory short of toppling the U.S. government, which, quite frankly, just isn't going to happen. However, I think that's what the symbolism intentionally represents. You have an extremely lopsided fight between Spider-Man and Iron Man. Sheer determination versus cold hard steel and advanced weaponry. Yet, you know Spidey will fight to his last, against all odds for what he believes in. Why Spidey and not Cap? Wouldn't the same apply?
Peter is more the "everyman" than anyone else in comics. It's an axiom of the genre. The urge to have your everyman pulled from the confused center of it all, and rise to the defense of the nation's spirit and ideals [as embodied by Captain America] may be an urge the writers will give in to in this case. In the end we'll get a "their determination stronger than ever, they prepare for the battles that will truly win war." type statement.

Tony Conceals Peter's Identity
When all's said and done, both Pete and his Aunt will be hospitalized -- in one way or another due to Iron Man. Tony will recall that his friendship with Spidey began with him in a hospital bed not unlike this one. He tells Pete there never was a group that was big enough to hold him, and he guesses some are meant to go their own way. We later see Iron Man and Iron Spidey on patrol and understand that he's clearing the way for Peter once he recovers. The writers will want to show a nobler side of Stark after everything simmers down. The regular books resume one month after the war, with Pete, May and MJ moving into a new apartment and bracing themselves for Peter's return to the webs.

[shinlyle]

So far, this thread has simply served to remind me that this board has far more skilled and capable writers than Marvel seems to employ, as of late. Great ideas from all.

[AgentEnforcer]

I like the idea of the Civil War cultivating with a final battle between Spider-Man and Iron man, with an Injured Cap watching from the sidelines. I do think some of the people on here should be contracted to write for Marvel... or at least have the writers use our general plot outlines and base scripts from them... how woul dwe be dissappointed by storylines we've all created/gave input on?

[stillanerd]

I like the idea of the Civil War cultivating with a final battle between Spider-Man and Iron man, with an Injured Cap watching from the sidelines. I do think some of the people on here should be contracted to write for Marvel... or at least have the writers use our general plot outlines and base scripts from them... how woul dwe be dissappointed by storylines we've all created/gave input on?

Marvel, if you read these boards and use our ideas, we'd at least like 10% :D

Really interesting ideas, Still. I wouldn't want to see all of them happen, but still interesting.

You got some good stuff here too, WS. Couple of points though:

* Aunt May Opposes Peter Revealing Himself to the Masses.

I always maintained that whatever side Captain America was on that Aunt May would support, and this would totally fit. Also, it would be quite amusing to see her go back and reorganize the “Grey Panthers” as you suggested.

* Mary Jane supports Peter.

I believe MJ wouldn’t like the idea that Peter would reveal his identity, but you’re right that she would stand by her man. I also still think she’d be angry at him for essentially throwing away all that he has maintained so hard to protect. Still, it’s most likely that no matter which decision Peter choose--Register or become an outlaw--they’re screwed either way. And I don’t think she’s trusts Tony like her husband does. Chalk it up her woman’s intuition.

*Spidey Gets Caught in The Middle

I agree. Other things that would really question Peter as to whether he’s on the right side is if some of his rogues gallery end up registering and thus become official law enforcement agents in order to escape prision time. I can just picture Peter’s reaction seeing guys like Doctor Octopus joining up with the registered side, or even worse the Green Goblin. “These guys are criminals,” he says. “We should be throwing them in jail, not teaming up with them!” The response would be; “They’ve registered, they’ve been pardoned, and have been deputized--so they’re on your side whether you like it or not.”

*Peter's World Begins to Crumble

Couple of things. As I speculated, I think the Green Goblin would attack Aunt May (and injure some protesters in the crossfire) to get back at Peter for revealing he’s Spider-Man, thus ruining his one hold he had on Peter. “You think you can best me, Parker?” he’d say. “Well think again!” Also, I do agree that Iron Man is going to torture one of the captured anti-registration heroes, and it certainly would be a shock if he was applying “direct pressure” to Cap (although I think Namor might be a person he interogates using “water deprivation” if you will) it does underscore the idea that Spidey would think Iron Man has gone over the line. And the whole Spidey and Cap vs. S.H.E.I.L.D. guards as part of the resuce attempt is just how I’d envision that sort of thing.

*Spider-Man vs. Iron Man

*Not a fight they can win.

I definately see something like this going down. This could even be the moment where Spidey, to show which side he has chosen, makes the nanocites in his costume change from Iron Spidey to his classic red and blues. Also, during the fight, Tony may realize that combined with Spidey’s already foremidable powers, he made the suit too well because Spidey is managing to hold his own. Plus, Tony is holding back, not wanting to hurt someone he’s come to see as a “kid brother.” He’d probably warn Peter to stand down and give up, which of course he won’t. That’s when Tony tells him “I’m sorry I have to do this, Peter” and, in an act of ultimate cheapness, Tony presses a button on his armor and Spidey’s suit begins to immobilize him using electro-static pulses, freezing up his muscles, and the more Spidey struggles, the worse the pain is. Tony keeps telling Spidey “Please, Peter. Give up. Don’t force me to kill you.” But Peter, remembering Uncle Ben, Captain Stacy, Gwen, all the people he’s let down, through sheer strength of will, resists and manages to tear out the device giving him the convulsions. But he is so weakned by his efforts that he’s now at Iron Man’s mercy. That’s when MJ, who arrives just to see this, steps in and stands in front of Peter. This is followed by the weakened Cap, then other heroes one by one. Tony then turns his back, giving all of them a chance to escape as the rest of S.H.E.I.L.D. arrives.

Afterwards, Peter recovers and then, after saying good-bye to MJ and saying it’s too dangerous to be with him, goes on his “fugitive” status (which of course gives JMS the opportunity for Peter to discover “the truth” behind the spider totems and how it’s all an elaborate sham).

*Tony Conceals Peter's Identity

He might replace Peter with an Iron Spidey and alter his file, but there’s the matter of convincing the public. What’s more, S.H.E.I.L.D. and the feds would still want to go after Spider-Man regardless. Also, there has to be a way for Peter to convince people (after he fights Iron Spidey II) that he manages to do a switchero after the fight, hide the unscious Spidey II, and claim, “Well, I was never the real Spider-Man, but I was hired by Mr. Stark to be a Spider-Man.” Tony, ever being the “older brother” again, decides to play along, but from that point on, there is still an animousity between Peter and Tony.

[LarryLegend]

I think what will happen is Marvel will release our books suck and then send people here to steal ideas. There will be no 10%.

[Xofenroht]

I think history is repeating itself. What would shake Peter Parker the most is to have a point in his life where the "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" comes into question. What IS this responisbility and does what the government is trying to do IT?
HE would never tell the world, but he might tell the government or SHIELD.
As far as his alliance with Tony goes, I'm sure there's more to it than meets the eye. Like...Tony can control the suit from his own. So, when these two finally do come head to head, Tony will try to use the suit against Pete, only to find that Pete is in the one and only, classic blue and reds.
But, that's all speculation. I don't think Pete will be fighting anyone in particular when it comes down to it. Tony may use him for espionage (in which case Pete will have to defend himself) but that's it. This alone, will gain Spider-Man alot of respect during the Civil War...
...of course as was predicted, he'll be made a public example...SOMEHOW.

[TheWhiteSpider]

Marvel, if you read these boards and use our ideas, we'd at least like 10% :D

And a special thanks mention in the trade.







Also, it would be quite amusing to see her go back and reorganize the “Grey Panthers” as you suggested.

Yeah, good stuff. We'd want to have a couple of light moments in the series, even if those moments do soon become deadly serious.



Register or become an outlaw--they’re screwed either way. And I don’t think she’s trusts Tony like her husband does. Chalk it up her woman’s intuition.

You're right about that. It's a no win situation. I also can see MJ being against it, but I thought it would be more interesting if Peter were being pulled in both directions even inside his own home. [He's usually at his best, storywise, when he's facing problems from every direction].





I agree. Other things that would really question Peter as to whether he’s on the right side is if some of his rogues gallery end up registering and thus become official law enforcement agents in order to escape prision time. I can just picture Peter’s reaction seeing guys like Doctor Octopus joining up with the registered side, or even worse the Green Goblin.


Great idea. I'd love to see the "WTH" look Peter would have on his face when he saw Tony issuing directives to Ock, or another of his R.G.





Couple of things. As I speculated, I think the Green Goblin would attack Aunt May (and injure some protesters in the crossfire) to get back at Peter for revealing he’s Spider-Man, thus ruining his one hold he had on Peter. “You think you can best me, Parker?” he’d say. “Well think again!”


There are only two reasons I didn't want to see this happen. 1) Because it's always Norman. Honestly, I think he paid Flash Thompson to bully Peter during high school. Far fetched..? Why do you think he really hired
and took to Flash so quickly after his return? [Don't worry, I requested that SHH ban all Marvel Exec. IP addresses before submitting this post. Somewhere an E-I-C sighs, dejected].

Secondly, because if the injury was caused by an enemy who didn't know Peter's I.D. before, it'd be another reason for Stark to feel like dirt and assist Pete with the I.D. cover up later.






Also, I do agree that Iron Man is going to torture one of the captured anti-registration heroes, and it certainly would be a shock if he was applying “direct pressure” to Cap (although I think Namor might be a person he interogates using “water deprivation” if you will) it does underscore the idea that Spidey would think Iron Man has gone over the line.

I assume that the person being tortured would have a high rank amongst the anti-reg group, and I saw Cap's defiance under torture/escape from SHIELD as a method that'll enable Millar to make 616 Cap appear a "bada$#." Also, Spidey's outrage would be even more intense if it were Cap being tortured.





I definately see something like this [(Spidey vs. Iron Man)]* going down. This could even be the moment where Spidey, to show which side he has chosen, makes the nanocites in his costume change from Iron Spidey to his classic red and blues.



If the scenario we described panned out this way, that would alone would almost make the issue a modern classic.


Also, during the fight, Tony may realize that combined with Spidey’s already foremidable powers, he made the suit too well because Spidey is managing to hold his own. Plus, Tony is holding back, not wanting to hurt someone he’s come to see as a “kid brother.” He’d probably warn Peter to stand down and give up, which of course he won’t. That’s when Tony tells him “I’m sorry I have to do this, Peter” and, in an act of ultimate cheapness, Tony presses a button on his armor and Spidey’s suit begins to immobilize him using electro-static pulses, freezing up his muscles, and the more Spidey struggles, the worse the pain is. Tony keeps telling Spidey “Please, Peter. Give up. Don’t force me to kill you.” But Peter, remembering Uncle Ben, Captain Stacy, Gwen, all the people he’s let down, through sheer strength of will, resists and manages to tear out the device giving him the convulsions.

That would be another beautiful, true-to-Spidey moment. However, I don't have much confidence in their depiction of Spidey's battle prowess. When was the last time Peter was shown to be able to lay down law on a bad guy in a group setting? IMO Peter could go the distance with Tony and surprise the heck out of many, from the embedded reporters to segments of the reading audience.



But he is so weakned by his efforts that he’s now at Iron Man’s mercy. That’s when MJ, who arrives just to see this, steps in and stands in front of Peter. This is followed by the weakened Cap, then other heroes one by one. Tony then turns his back, giving all of them a chance to escape as the rest of S.H.E.I.L.D. arrives.

Well, that would certainly reveal Marvel's belief that the anti-reg. side is the good side. Regardless of the politics, that would be a great moment with an emotional resonance not seen often in comics lately. Cap kneeling and putting his shield up in front of an unconscious Spidey, and then the others standing between Tony and the two of them would be beyond all my hopes for this series.


Afterwards, Peter recovers and then, after saying good-bye to MJ and saying it’s too dangerous to be with him, goes on his “fugitive” status (which of course gives JMS the opportunity for Peter to discover “the truth” behind the spider totems and how it’s all an elaborate sham).


Ahh.. this is the only part of your scenario I don't want to see. I don't want to see "David Banner" Spidey, going under an assumed name. Especially not from the current writing staff.. It would be an interesting 6 month arc under someone like Dematteis, but.. I wouldn't want it to go there until there's a staff rotation at Marvel.



He might replace Peter with an Iron Spidey and alter his file, but there’s the matter of convincing the public. What’s more, S.H.E.I.L.D. and the feds would still want to go after Spider-Man regardless.


SHIELD and the feds will be difficult, but the public will experience Iron Spidey's adventures for a month while Peter is in the hospital/getting back up on his feet. I'd have to think about how Peter could prevent them for exposing that knowledge again, and prevent them from hounding him.


Note: I edited my above post to clear up some poor, 3AM word phrasing.

* Notation by WS.

[stillanerd]

You're right about that. It's a no win situation. I also can see MJ being against it, but I thought it would be more interesting if Peter were being pulled in both directions even inside his own home. [He's usually at his best, storywise, when he's facing problems from every direction].

That's true. Even so, while MJ does support her husband concerning all things Spider-Man, she still doesn't like it 100%.

Great idea. I'd love to see the "WTH" look Peter would have on his face when he saw Tony issuing directives to Ock, or another of his R.G.
Well, we can expect some super villains to join up with the registration side, I imagine. And just the idea of one of Spidey's rogues just rubbing salt in the wound over Spidey not being able to do anything about it would be too good to pass up.

There are only two reasons I didn't want to see this happen. 1) Because it's always Norman. Honestly, I think he paid Flash Thompson to bully Peter during high school. Far fetched..? Why do you think he really hired and took to Flash so quickly after his return? [Don't worry, I requested that SHH ban all Marvel Exec. IP addresses before submitting this post. Somewhere an E-I-C sighs, dejected].

GREEN GOBLIN: That's nothing. I not only killed Parker's one true love, I deflowered her too...anyone want to see our magical moment together? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! :gg::bomb:

Seriously, Osborn IS invovled in too much nefarious plots a la Lex Luthor, but HE IS supposed to have a role in Civil War, at least with regards to Jenkis' Civil War: Front Lines.

Secondly, because if the injury was caused by an enemy who didn't know Peter's I.D. before, it'd be another reason for Stark to feel like dirt and assist Pete with the I.D. cover up later.

That a good point. It would be a chance for some B-list types to really make a name for himself, like Electro or Shocker maybe.

I assume that the person being tortured would have a high rank amongst the anti-reg group, and I saw Cap's defiance under torture/escape from SHIELD as a method that'll enable Millar to make 616 Cap appear a "bada$#." Also, Spidey's outrage would be even more intense if it were Cap being tortured.

And it definately have a sort of cynical irony a la Ultimates 2 if that happened to the 616 Cap. After all, Millar IS writing the Civil War mini.

That would be another beautiful, true-to-Spidey moment. However, I don't have much confidence in their depiction of Spidey's battle prowess. When was the last time Peter was shown to be able to lay down law on a bad guy in a group setting? IMO Peter could go the distance with Tony and surprise the heck out of many, from the embedded reporters to segments of the reading audience.

Well, I think the Civil War issues of ASM are going to show that Spidey is the REAL hero out of this whole thing. Granted, I share your skepticism considering JMS recent track record, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

Ahh.. this is the only part of your scenario I don't want to see. I don't want to see "David Banner" Spidey, going under an assumed name. Especially not from the current writing staff.. It would be an interesting 6 month arc under someone like Dematteis, but.. I wouldn't want it to go there until there's a staff rotation at Marvel.

Oh, it should last only 6 months. But somehow I think that if they actually go ahead with Peter revealing his identity as Spidey publicly, then have him switch sides, a "David Banner" Spidey is likely.

Besides, just picture Peter, dressed in rugged jeans and a jacket, backpack slung over one shoulder, walking down a highway, occassionally turning back to stick out a thumb to attract the occassional passing car, accompanied by a soft, mournful piano solo in the background...when all of the sudden, the Hulk drops out of the sky in front of Peter, and in furious anger says "Hulk no like puny human stealing theme music! HULK SMASH!" :)

[SpideyInATree]

Well, the problem with Peter unmasking himself before the entire world is, while it would be great to see all the reactions from the other characters, the problem would be how to fix it. After all, Spider-Man HAS TO HAVE a secret identity in order for the character to work. That's why the few times he HAS BEEN UNMASKED it always lasted for a short time and he ended up maintaining his secret identity in the end. I would not rather see it happen, but if it does, then hopefully somebody at Marvel has a plan...maybe.

As for MJ, I know you hate the marriage but killing her off (which was done before) would be a mistake. Then again, I probably can't convince you of that anyways. :)

There are ways to take things back to normal. Dr. Strange could always pull something out of his sleeve. Maybe if Marvel really got smart they could use whatever way to make Spidey's ID secret again to retcon Sins Past. Scarlet Witch has gone nuts before...maybe she could help Spidey out. "Oh, sorry I made you live a life where your first true love DIDN'T die...everybody loves you...Uncle Ben is still alive...and you have a son." She could repay him and hook him up by secreting his identity.

I mean...who knows...maybe by making his ID public they do have an idea to make it secret again shortly afterward. And maybe some characters who have known his ID for a long time don't know it anymore, like Norman Osborn. Could make the books a little interesting again.

And as for MJ. I used to just joke about them killing her to fire people up on the boards. But then Quesada said that they would never divorce the two. And I took that as them saying, "Well, we'll never divorce the two but we can always kill someone". And they keep saying Spider-Man is the one who will feel the change the most. But I've never really liked the marriage to begin with but there have been writers who have made MJ interesting and three dimensional instead of the borefest she came to be. J.M. DeMatteis did interesting things with MJ. Like with her smoking and then eventually quitting...pretty cool storyline. But for the most part I just haven't liked her character and it could possibly be from the writers not doing much with her over the years...but...hey, maybe they were doing it on purpose. :o

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

the problem is that using those Franklin Boning Wanda continuity changing powers gives marvel excuses to make crappy stories for pure shock value and makes the writes ignore continuity completely becuase they can sweep everything under the rug... and turning the core titles into What If? stories...

[Dangerous]

I think SM revealing his Secret ID would be a grave mistake because it would be the one thing that could not be un done.

[Anti-Moderator]

So Peter might reveal that he is Spidey to the four people left that don't already know?

[Webz14]

I just wanna see spidey beat Iron Man to a pulp

[3dman27]

me too and to think back in the '60's ironnman was one of the first of the marvel super heroes i became interested in reading