Rumor Becomes Fact: 'ms' Acquires 'lionhead Studios'

[THWIP*]

LET'S HOPE THEY CAN GET MORE OUT OF THEM SOON, THAN THEY DID WITH 'RARE' EARLY ON. (http://xbox360news.com/Blogs/News/hqs/blr_3133.aspx) THERE MAY STILL BE SOME HOPE FOR A NEXT-GEN 'B.C.'. :O

SOMETHING WORTH NOTING, IS THE FACT THAT PETER M. WAS ONE OF THE HIGHER-PROFILE PEOPLE WHO SEEMED REALLY IMPRESSED BY THE 'REV' CONTROLLER; I GUESS WE'LL NEVER KNOW WHAT HE MIGHT'VE DONE WITH IT.





HERE'S A 'BABELFISH' TRANSLATION OF TUESDAY'S INTERVIEW WITH SHANE KIM ON THE ACQUISITION:



Microsoft repurchases Lionhead: The interview of Shane Kim
06/04/2006 by fylodindon
In spite of the multiple rumours which ran these last days, it is finally only today that Microsoft announces the acquisition of Lionhead Studios (Fable, The movie, Black & White...), which joined the rows of Microsoft Game Studios. An acquisition which was played until the last moment, moved by the talent of Peter Molyneux and his team and the relation of complicity which had already been established between Lionhead and Microsoft on Fable, left previously on Xbox.

On this subject, Shane Kim, General Manager of Microsoft Game Studios, were declared very excited by this collaboration and what the legendary talent visionary of Peter Molyneux will bring to Microsoft Games Studio and the 360.

With this occasion, we had the immense honor to be able to maintain us with Shane Kim with the telephone, an interview retranscribed hereafter in French whom you will be able to find in his original version thanks to our very new functionality: The audio podcast.



Xbox-attitude: What can you say to us about the licences developed by Lionhead, like The movie for example? ? Are they all acquired by Microsoft Game Studios ?

Shane Kim: Yes, The Movies, Black & White and others, and of course Fable, form part of the transaction. We currently finish (note: the interview took place Tuesday last) to regulate engagements of Lionhead compared to the other editors, but certainly that The movie and all that Lionhead A creates in the past will belong to Microsoft.

Would it be possible to know the cost of this acquisition?

Unfortunately not because we currently finish regulating all the financial details of this transaction. I would be thus very happy to answer all your questions on this subject once these regulated details.

Can we hope that Peter Molyneux expresses himself on this subject or will have us to await E3?

It is a good question. I do not know what was planned with regard to the availability of Peter for the press.

With this acquisition, Microsoft Game Studios becomes, of course, more important than previously. How do you place yourselves today compared to other editors like Electronic Arts or Ubisoft ? Do you intend to become the first world editor?

First of all, I would like to specify that, contrary to the other editors, we publish only on Windows and Xbox 360, but for me, and us, it is not a question to become the largest editor, to be largest in term of employees, nor in term of shares of market or a number of titles; our goal is to propose exclusive contents for our platforms, it is there that we wish to be the best, with titles like Fable, Halo, Age of Empires or Simulator Flight. For me it is there that it is important to be the best.

Can we imagine that, within the framework of an exchange of competences, Peter Molyneux can work with another internal studio with Microsoft ? Can we for example imagine Peter to take part in next Age of Empires?

I do not think that it is a question that Peter belongs or not to Microsoft. We make already this kind of exchanges with the studios, as well intern as external, the goal being as well as possible to exchange knowledge of each one to advance all industry. In fact Peter will be able will share his wisdom, its experiment and its imagination with all our partners so that all industry progresses.

There were many rumours concerning of the dismissals at Lionhead a few months ago. After this acquisition, do you plan to carry out some?

What it occurred when Lionhead made this decision, it is that they were to concentrate on certain projects and to give up others of them. I think that it is a good thing in this period of intense competition where the development costs do not cease increasing, but we do not have any plan of additional dismissals with what was already made.

What can you say to us about the projects of Lionhead, like Fable 2 or the other titles that Peter and Lionhead showed on various living rooms? Can we expect that some of these projects are revealed in next E3?

I can nothing say to you for the moment on the titles that Lionhead develop in this moment for the account of Microsoft Game Studios, but what I can say to you it is that we will make some incredible advertisements at the time of next E3, then remain with listening, we will be able to say some to you of advantage to this occasion.

[Matt]

Wow, now Microsoft will be able to overhype the hell out of their games while delivering a mediocre end product.

[THWIP*]

Wow, now Microsoft will be able to overhype the hell out of their games while delivering a mediocre end product.


STFU, MATT......NOBODY CARES TO READ YOUR ANTI-MS BULLS**T. :down:rolleyes:

[TheCardPlayer]

Who cares?

Tri-Ace is making an exclusive 360 RPG! Best news I've heard this year!!!!

[Matt]

STFU, MATT......NOBODY CARES TO READ YOUR ANTI-MS BULLS**T. :down:rolleyes:

It has nothing to do with Anti-MS. If I was anti-MS I would not own a 360. I mean, that is your argument when someone says your an MS fanboy, that you own a PS2, right? So mine should be just as valid.

At anyrate this has nothing to do with anti-ms. It has to do with being anti-lionhead and Peter Molyneux and their tendency to overhype practically everything while not delievering the goods.

[Matt]

Who cares?

Tri-Ace is making an exclusive 360 RPG! Best news I've heard this year!!!!

Amen to that.

[THWIP*]

It has nothing to do with Anti-MS. If I was anti-MS I would not own a 360. I mean, that is your argument when someone says your an MS fanboy, that you own a PS2, right? So mine should be just as valid.

At anyrate this has nothing to do with anti-ms. It has to do with being anti-lionhead and Peter Molyneux and their tendency to overhype practically everything while not delievering the goods.


THIS WILL FINALLY GIVE 'LIONHEAD' A CHANCE TO SHOW WHAT THEY CAN DO THOUGH, BECAUSE THEY WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BUDGET, OR SHOPPING FOR A PUBLISHER; HELL, 'THE MOVIES' WAS SUPPOSED TO COME OUT FOR 'XBOX' MONTHS AGO, BUT THEY CAN'T GET A PUBLISHER FOR IT. 'FABLE' WAS DEFINITELY OVERHYPED........BUT EVEN PETER M. OWNED UP TO IT'S FAILURES. IF THERE'S A CHANCE THAT THIS WILL ALLOW THEM TO DO 'B.C.' , THAT'S ALL I NEED TO GET ME EXCITED ; A WORTHWHILE SEQUEL TO 'FABLE' WILL JUST BE "ICING".

[Matt]

THIS WILL FINALLY GIVE 'LIONHEAD' A CHANCE TO SHOW WHAT THEY CAN DO THOUGH, BECAUSE THEY WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BUDGET, OR SHOPPING FOR A PUBLISHER; HELL, 'THE MOVIES' WAS SUPPOSED TO COME OUT FOR 'XBOX' MONTHS AGO, BUT THEY CAN'T GET A PUBLISHER FOR IT. 'FABLE' WAS DEFINITELY OVERHYPED........BUT EVEN PETER M. OWNED UP TO IT'S FAILURES. IF THERE'S A CHANCE THAT THIS WILL ALLOW THEM TO DO 'B.C.' , THAT'S ALL I NEED TO GET ME EXCITED ; A WORTHWHILE SEQUEL TO 'FABLE' WILL JUST BE "ICING".

If Peter M. does a good sequel to Fable that lives up to the hype of the original, him and Lionshead will be redeemed. Every Lionshead project I have ever played has been an overhyped dissapointment. One game can fix that. Guess time will tell.

[Horrorfan]

I loved Fable. It's the only RPG I can play without being bored to tears. Love it and can't wait for the sequel.

I really hope this means titles like The Movies and Black and White come to 360. I would love to see that, those are titles I have been dying to try forever.

BTW is it Lionhead who were gonna do BC? That game looked amazing.

[THWIP*]

I loved Fable. It's the only RPG I can play without being bored to tears. Love it and can't wait for the sequel.

I really hope this means titles like The Movies and Black and White come to 360. I would love to see that, those are titles I have been dying to try forever.

BTW is it Lionhead who were gonna do BC? That game looked amazing.


WELL, LIKE I SAID, I'M STILL HOPING FOR A RESURRECTION OF 'B.C.' TELL ME THIS (http://gametrailers.com/player.php?id=473&pl=game&type=wmv) DOESN'T LOOK COOL. :up:

[WhatsHisFace]

Incredibly stupid things Matt says aside, Fable got great reviews and sold over 1.5 million copies. Black and White is a hit series deserving of the praise it gets. The Movies was a great game but unfortunately sold poorly.

This is something I was hoping would happen for a very long time. Lionhead is a very talented collection of people, and having the Carter brothers is a good thing for Microsoft. Having Peter Molyneux may be even better. With this money they should be able to put their ammount of games in development back up to 3, and maybe now B.C. will get made! :D :eek:

Ubisoft was the final contender for Microsoft in the bid for Lionhead, I wonder what Ubi would have done with them. Probably make a shooter series with releases every 6-12 months.

[THWIP*]

I loved Fable. It's the only RPG I can play without being bored to tears. Love it and can't wait for the sequel.

I really hope this means titles like The Movies and Black and White come to 360. I would love to see that, those are titles I have been dying to try forever.

BTW is it Lionhead who were gonna do BC? That game looked amazing.


WELL, CONSIDERING I'VE MENTIONED IT IN EVERY POST IN THIS THREAD, AND I EVEN POSTED A LINK TO AN OLD TRAILER.......YEAH. http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/style_emoticons/2/slap.gif

[Horrorfan]

WELL, CONSIDERING I'VE MENTIONED IT IN EVERY POST IN THIS THREAD, AND I EVEN POSTED A LINK TO AN OLD TRAILER.......YEAH. http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/style_emoticons/2/slap.gif

See that's why I am greatful you love caps, it makes everything so much clearer :up:


But there have been rumblings in a few mags here in europe that BC IS being worked on again but for the 360. Hopefully we will hear something at E3.

[THWIP*]

See that's why I am greatful you love caps, it makes everything so much clearer :up:


But there have been rumblings in a few mags here in europe that BC IS being worked on again but for the 360. Hopefully we will hear something at E3.


WELL IT WOULD, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO READ FIRST. :down:mad:


BUT YEAH, IF IT WEREN'T FOR SUCH RUMORS, I'D HAVE GIVEN UP ON IT LONG AGO. FOR AWHILE, THAT WAS THE ONLY GAME THAT MATTERED TO ME. :(

[WhatsHisFace]

The game was pretty much done. It was only a few months from release before everything went into getting Fable out the door. I think they'll definitely pick up where they left off for the 360. All it would take is a new renderer and a QA bug-quashing holocaust.

[GothicPowerMix1]

This might be a crazy question but. What is BC

[THWIP*]

This might be a crazy question but. What is BC

http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/style_emoticons/2/banghead.gif


HERE'S A LINK.......FOR THE 2ND TIME. (http://gametrailers.com/player.php?id=473&pl=game&type=wmv) :o

[Hudson]

well... ****

[Hudson]

double post:(

[THWIP*]

double post:(


SO......WHAT'S THE "WELL...****" MEAN? :confused:

[WhatsHisFace]

http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/style_emoticons/2/banghead.gif


HERE'S A LINK.......FOR THE 2ND TIME. (http://gametrailers.com/player.php?id=473&pl=game&type=wmv) :o
It realy is amazing what the Xbox was capable of.

[Hudson]

SO......WHAT'S THE "WELL...****" MEAN? :confused:
it was more well bugger.. not it's a really really bad thing, I just hope that Lionhead will not be forced or encouraged to forget their PC games... Black and White for an example. Other than that I don't give a ****.

[THWIP*]

It realy is amazing what the Xbox was capable of.


NO S**T.....THAT GAME WAS SET TO BLOW PEOPLE AWAY. :(

[THWIP*]

it was more well bugger.. not it's a really really bad thing, I just hope that Lionhead will not be forced or encouraged to forget their PC games... Black and White for an example. Other than that I don't give a ****.


WELL, AT THE VERY LEAST, I'M SURE THEY'LL DO DELAYED PC PORTS, LIKE THEY'VE DONE WITH THEIR OTHER IN-HOUSE GAMES.

[Hudson]

WELL, AT THE VERY LEAST, I'M SURE THEY'LL DO DELAYED PC PORTS, LIKE THEY'VE DONE WITH THEIR OTHER IN-HOUSE GAMES.
which for me is not acceptable. but in the end I guess I'll live:confused:

[WhatsHisFace]

it was more well bugger.. not it's a really really bad thing, I just hope that Lionhead will not be forced or encouraged to forget their PC games... Black and White for an example. Other than that I don't give a ****.
It says that Lionhead is going to move forward making games for "Xbox and Windows" formats. So just don't get crappy Apples or Linux "PCs". :o

[Hudson]

It says that Lionhead is going to move forward making games for "Xbox and Windows" formats. So just don't get crappy Apples or Linux "PCs". :o
Alrighty then:o :up:
I heard F.E.A.R was coming to the consoles by the way.

[WhatsHisFace]

Alrighty then:o :up:
I heard F.E.A.R was coming to the consoles by the way.
I heard it too. Right after I plopped down $3000 for a gaming rig. Oh well, FEAR might be a great port, or a crap port, so we'll see. I'm waiting for games to hit low prices nowadays. Still haven't picked up Black and White 2 because it's ten dollars too high.

[Hudson]

I heard it too. Right after I plopped down $3000 for a gaming rig. Oh well, FEAR might be a great port, or a crap port, so we'll see. I'm waiting for games to hit low prices nowadays. Still haven't picked up Black and White 2 because it's ten dollars too high.
wait for christmas... maybe, they'll probably bundle the maingame and the expansion together

[GothicPowerMix1]

What System wilL Fear be coming out for ?

[Zenien]

Fear? PS3 360.

Black and White games weren't games they were technology demos for AI, and the second scored and sold poorly because it is a bad game. Fable sold well because of hype and goggles, when it reality it was a bigger bait and switch then any game this generation turned out to be. It's litterally one of the most boring games out there.

Let's hope they start making good games instead of being a dev who has good ideas but crappy execution over 50 percent of the time.

and yes, my reaction would be the same if Sony got them.

And also yes, Guerilla has like 1 more chance with Sony (Killzone PS3) before they will officilly become a joke. :o

[GothicPowerMix1]

Always wanted to play FEAR. My PC can not handle it :o

[WhatsHisFace]

Black and White games weren't games they were technology demos for AI
That's rediculous. I had more fun with Black and White than any RTS since RollerCoaster Tycoon.

and the second scored and sold poorly because it is a bad game.
Gamespot gave it an 8.2, and I played the demo and loved it. It apparently sold well enough to warrant an expansion pack, since it's getting one.

Fable sold well because of hype and goggles,
Fable got an 8.6 from Gamespot, which is a very good score. It sold well because of excellent marketting and because it was a very solid game.

when it reality it was a bigger bait and switch then any game this generation turned out to be.
Metal Gear Solid 2.

It's litterally one of the most boring games out there.
I disagree. I got a lot of excitement out of Fable. The beginning of the game starts out with a very good tutorial, develops into a great action adventure, and then there's a bit of RPG thrown in when you're ready to leave the Guild. Once the main quest really gets going, it's nearly impossible to put down at points, mainly towards the last three or four hours. I was glued to my chair.

Let's hope they start making good games instead of being a dev who has good ideas but crappy execution over 50 percent of the time.
They do make good games, they just haven't been able to find technology amazing enough to back up their amazing ideas. I find Peter Molyneux to be more imaginative than Will Wright, as is evidenced by Populous/Dungeon Keeper vs. Sim City/Simsville (unreleased sadly, but not ambitious at all) with Black and White being far more open than anything Wright ever did until Spore. That's why their games have historically needed to be scaled back (Fable lost many features that were working, Black and White lost a few creature ideas).

Even The Movies, a PC release, was clearly made with the PS2 in mind, as the graphics are horrible.

and yes, my reaction would be the same if Sony got them.
Doubtful. You hold praise for Guerrilla, who actually sucks and doesn't employ a "gaming god".

And also yes, Guerilla has like 1 more chance with Sony (Killzone PS3) before they will officilly become a joke. :o
Killzone WAS their second chance. Their first was Shellshock, which got evern worse reviews than Killzone. Killzone 2 is nothing to look forward to.

[Horrorfan]

WELL IT WOULD, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO READ FIRST. :down:mad:


BUT YEAH, IF IT WEREN'T FOR SUCH RUMORS, I'D HAVE GIVEN UP ON IT LONG AGO. FOR AWHILE, THAT WAS THE ONLY GAME THAT MATTERED TO ME. :(


Well I don't usually put a lot of stock in rumours. I HOPE that BC, The Movies, F.E.A.R and Quake Wars come to 360, but we will be waiting at least untill E3 to find out. I heard they are definitly making a sequel to F.E.A.R for the 360 so it would make sense, and I loved quake 4 so I would like to see that. Movies just looked awesome, as did BC.


Also if Fable can get someone like me into RPGs, it did something right. And Shellshock sucked ass (even though I quite like killzone).

[Zenien]

Gamespot gave it an 8.2, and I played the demo and loved it. It apparently sold well enough to warrant an expansion pack, since it's getting one.

It sold poorly, it's cited as one of the reasons Lionhead layed off a lot of their workers a few months back. The Expansion pack buisiness is low risk with a high profit margin.

As trivial fun as the AI was, the game itself was so obviously incomplete and half broken in certain respect (like the AI of anything that wasn't a god).


Fable got an 8.6 from Gamespot, which is a very good score. It sold well because of excellent marketting and because it was a very solid game.

No, it's an unfinished game that sold well because it had massive amounts of hype behind it. Did it in anyway live up to its promises, and I'm not talking about cut features, the answer is no. The world design is pathetic, the people who you are suppose to care about are transparently just props for the good/evil system, which had all the realworld depth of a kiddy pool, and being good or evil had no ultimate baring on your story, which was retarded since they were saying that being either good or evil would effect anything. It was an unfinished poorly implemented Zelda clone without any dungeons, a crappy adventure, boring characters, and a simple little good/evil system, while it was the biggest false advertising in the history of video games.


Metal Gear Solid 2.

Worse than MGS2, yes.


I disagree. I got a lot of excitement out of Fable. The beginning of the game starts out with a very good tutorial, develops into a great action adventure, and then there's a bit of RPG thrown in when you're ready to leave the Guild. Once the main quest really gets going, it's nearly impossible to put down at points, mainly towards the last three or four hours. I was glued to my chair.

To me it was boring from start to finish and almost insulting. But we're all allowed to have our own opinions on things.


They do make good games, they just haven't been able to find technology amazing enough to back up their amazing ideas. I find Peter Molyneux to be more imaginative than Will Wright, as is evidenced by Populous/Dungeon Keeper vs. Sim City/Simsville (unreleased sadly, but not ambitious at all) with Black and White being far more open than anything Wright ever did until Spore. That's why their games have historically needed to be scaled back (Fable lost many features that were working, Black and White lost a few creature ideas).

Developers should make a good game within the hardware limitations, Guerilla and Lionhead, obviously, are not such developers.

Yes, because Lionheads next ambition is to recreate real life in a game, and that's certainly an idea that a 400 dollar next gen console could handle without any sacrifices, except not even the next gen consoles could get that working, because that's an idea so unrealistic that you'd need hundred of people and decades of time to make it work. He's flying to close to the sun again, and his fanboys will have the "OMG TECHNOLOGY" excuse again. Will technology ever catch up to this man? No. And that's his shortcoming as a designer.

Even The Movies, a PC release, was clearly made with the PS2 in mind, as the graphics are horrible.

The movies is not a CPU requiring blackhole.


Doubtful. You hold praise for Guerrilla, who actually sucks and doesn't employ a "gaming god".

You mean the modern day equivalent to Icarus.


Killzone WAS their second chance. Their first was Shellshock, which got evern worse reviews than Killzone. Killzone 2 is nothing to look forward to.

If you guys are going to play the "OMG IT WILL BE DIFFERENT NOW MAYBE LIONHEAD WON'T MAKE UNDERCOOKED GAMES ANYMORE! MICROSOFT MONIES LOLOLOLOLLLLLL!!!" I guess I can do the same with Guerilla even though I'm not holding my breath about it.

[Zenien]

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2006/20060407.jpg

I would sooner acquire crabs, but Microsoft has decided to acquire Lionhead - adding their uniqueness to its own. We have created a strange comic about it. Since Lionhead only really makes games for Microsoft platforms, this is sort of like paying someone to accept money.

I really wonder what branch of moon mathematics supports a purchase like this. It hardly looks strategic, anymore - it looks like collection. It is as though there is a bare mantle somewhere in Microsoft which must be populated with the shiny objects of the world. Lionhead develops "promising" games, but it takes too long to do it and the results rarely ascend the sheer face of their early promises. I'm glad there is a Lionhead, floating out there disembodied, trying things out, with the industry cache to maintain the experiment. I just don't know why you would buy it.

[WhatsHisFace]

It sold poorly, it's cited as one of the reasons Lionhead layed off a lot of their workers a few months back. The Expansion pack buisiness is low risk with a high profit margin.

As trivial fun as the AI was, the game itself was so obviously incomplete and half broken in certain respect (like the AI of anything that wasn't a god).
High profit margin? The market is no bigger than the people who bought it the first time around, so why would EA sink another few months of development money into something that can't possibly sell well? Maybe it's because EA's just really stupid, but usually games that fail get cut off then and there, no expansions, sometimes not even patches (Tribes: Vengeance).

No, it's an unfinished game that sold well because it had massive amounts of hype behind it.
If hype sold games, Advent Rising wouldn't have flopped like a dead fish. I'm sorry Zenien, but the game got both great reviews and great sales for a reason.

Did it in anyway live up to its promises, and I'm not talking about cut features, the answer is no.
And in which way aside from "Not having cut features" did it fail to live up to it's promises? :D

The world design is pathetic, the people who you are suppose to care about are transparently just props for the good/evil system, which had all the realworld depth of a kiddy pool, and being good or evil had no ultimate baring on your story, which was retarded since they were saying that being either good or evil would effect anything.
Actually, the people you're supposed to care about are all main characters at the end of the game. The good/evil system effected how people in towns reacted to you, and though that didn't effect the story of the game, it did effect the game experience more than KotOR's did, and it brought the world to life in a much more believable way than I've seen in any other good/evil game.


It was an unfinished poorly implemented Zelda clone without any dungeons, a crappy adventure, boring characters, and a simple little good/evil system, while it was the biggest false advertising in the history of video games.
It's not a Zelda clone at all. I don't remember pushing blocks around, using one-purpose items to fight Zelda-style bosses (though the Hydra was fairly Zelda-style I suppose) or jumping to the next locked door to a puzzle room. No, I remember leveling my character statistics, buying new weapons and armor, getting married, killing many people, fighting rival heroes, stealing from houses, buying an entire town, et cetera. Things that have not and will not be in a single Zelda game. I don't know what you saw Fable advertised as, but going from the print and TV ads I'd say the advertising was fairly spot-on.

Worse than MGS2, yes.
Oh really? I don't recall Fable giving you ten minutes of what was shown endlessly on TV and then for the rest of the game you're a whiny loser surrounded by equally annoying supporting characters.

To me it was boring from start to finish and almost insulting. But we're all allowed to have our own opinions on things.
It's just wierd that you find Fable to have such a shallow story but then get a kick out of a Megaman plot.

Developers should make a good game within the hardware limitations, Guerilla and Lionhead, obviously, are not such developers.
Lionhead does make good games. Great even. They just don't always turn out exactly as Molyneux had hoped, because of hardware limitations.

Yes, because Lionheads next ambition is to recreate real life in a game, and that's certainly an idea that a 400 dollar next gen console could handle without any sacrifices, except not even the next gen consoles could get that working, because that's an idea so unrealistic that you'd need hundred of people and decades of time to make it work. He's flying to close to the sun again, and his fanboys will have the "OMG TECHNOLOGY" excuse again. Will technology ever catch up to this man? No. And that's his shortcoming as a designer.
No, he said to give people the chance to live their life over. Not create real life. What he said could be the blueprint for a very linear game, just offering the same choices we were along the way. However, you take that as if he's going to rebuild earth and sell it for $50.

The movies is not a CPU requiring powerhouse.
Because it was built with the PS2's limitations in mind.

You mean the modern day equivalent to Icarus.
No, I mean Game God, as the entire game industry refers to him as.

If you guys are going to play the "OMG IT WILL BE DIFFERENT NOW MAYBE LIONHEAD WON'T MAKE UNDERCOOKED CRAP ANYMORE! MICROSOFT MONIES LOLOLOLOLLLLLL!!!" I guess I can do the same with Guerilla even though I'm not holding my breath about it.
Once again, Lionhead doesn't make crap. They just plan to make the best games ever and miss the mark because of reality. You can't blame them.

[Phaser]

Fable may be have been overhyped, but judging solely on it's own merits, it was a pretty good game nevertheless.

[Zenien]

High profit margin? The market is no bigger than the people who bought it the first time around, so why would EA sink another few months of development money into something that can't possibly sell well? Maybe it's because EA's just really stupid, but usually games that fail get cut off then and there, no expansions, sometimes not even patches (Tribes: Vengeance).

You tell me:


Disappointing sales for The Movies and Black & White 2 may have led to Lionhead Studios restructuring, a move that could cost the respected British studio some 100 employees.

http://www.gamepro.com/gamepro/domestic/games/news/52468.shtml

If hype sold games, Advent Rising wouldn't have flopped like a dead fish. I'm sorry Zenien, but the game got both great reviews and great sales for a reason.

And what reasons would that be. MGS2 is a multimillion seller by the way.

http://i2.tinypic.com/t7ke9x.jpg

Actually, the people you're supposed to care about are all main characters at the end of the game.

A really good trick is to make you care about everything in the game world by the end of the game, at best you should not find the game world and people to be annoying.



I don't know what you saw Fable advertised as, but going from the print and TV ads I'd say the advertising was fairly spot-on.

I do not need to bring up quotes on what the game was advertised as by your gaming god.

Oh really? I don't recall Fable giving you ten minutes of what was shown endlessly on TV and then for the rest of the game you're a whiny loser surrounded by equally annoying supporting characters.

The only annoying character was really Rose, and that's because of how long winded it was. Cut out the superfolous dialogue of MGS2 and it's a lot better, though.

It's just wierd that you find Fable to have such a shallow story but then get a kick out of a Megaman plot.

Fable has poorly executed story, bland characters (yes even the main ones) and annoying villagers. MegaMan isn't nearly as pretentious and it suceeds at the precious little it does set out to do.

No, he said to give people the chance to live their life over. Not create real life. What he said could be the blueprint for a very linear game, just offering the same choices we were along the way. However, you take that as if he's going to rebuild earth and sell it for $50.

Yes that's why he's said that he wants Demitri to recreate real life.

Once again, Lionhead doesn't make crap. They just plan to make the best games ever and miss the mark because of reality. You can't blame them.

Yes, obviously, they can be blamed for not being in reality in the first place until they have to issue a public apology for false advertising.

Black and White 2 didn't get 'great' reviews: 75.8 rounded. (:confused:)

http://i2.tinypic.com/t7lws1.jpg

[WhatsHisFace]

You tell me:
http://www.gamepro.com/gamepro/domestic/games/news/52468.shtml
I wish they gave out the actual numbers so we wouldn't have to go by gamepro's (or anyone else's) word, but if the word on the street is that Black and White 2 performed poorly, then I'm a bit saddened. Especially since one of the leads of Warcraft was working on this game.

And what reasons would that be. MGS2 is a multimillion seller by the way.

http://i2.tinypic.com/t7ke9x.jpg
That game was reviewed in a flurry of hype. Later on down the line when Substance came out, it recieved far lower reviews, even though it was the same game, but better. It was a multimillion seller because it's in a popular series. If a game came out exactly like it (Spy Fiction), it would have sold much worse.

A really good trick is to make you care about everything in the game world by the end of the game, at best you should not find the game world and people to be annoying.
Annoying by what standard? Pretty much any Nintendo character is more annoying than even Scarlet Rose, and if I may say so, even Shenmue's characters.

I do not need to bring up quotes on what the game was advertised as by your gaming god.
I think you're confusing "Advertisement" with "Hype". The game had been very hyped up, we've been through that already. However, the actual advertisement was not "false" in any way.


The only annoying character was really Rose, and that's because of how long winded it was. Cut out the superfolous dialogue of MGS2 and it's a lot better, though.
Yeah, let's start molding the game now. Like if you shovel hack the fences in Fable you can run around in the surrounding fields. Not exactly fair.

Fable has poorly executed story, bland characters (yes even the main ones) and annoying villagers. MegaMan isn't nearly as pretentious and it suceeds at the precious little it does set out to do.
Like Metal Gear Solid 2 had a great story? A game about Russians hijacking giant robots off a Naval Ship to prove themselves "Mother Russia" and then arbitrarily cut over to an emotional soldier who ate dynamite as a kid and has to run around butt-naked in order to take on his Doc-Ock father on top of a giant submarine that crashed into New York City?

And speaking of characters, Fable's characters were fairly believable in the context of the game. In Metal Gear Solid 2, we have a Russian Cowboy whose arm has a mind of it's own, a Vampire (!), a bullet-proof beyonce who ends up not being so bullet proof, but then is... a general who becomes a stupid AI when the writers realise there's no way to end the game with him still there... I mean really. I know double standards exist, but this is extreme.


Yes that's why he's said that he wants Demitri to recreate real life.
Well then I don't know what's worse. Him saying that's his goal, or you expecting it to happen.

Yes, obviously, they can be blamed for not being in reality in the first place until they have to issue a public apology for false advertising.

Black and White 2 didn't get 'great' reviews: 75.8 rounded. (:confused:)

http://i2.tinypic.com/t7lws1.jpg
They were reality, actually. A good portion of the promised features were shown off in playable builds in the years leading up to the game's release. Unfortunately, as time went on and the limitations of the Xbox hardware were becoming tighter and tighter, the team made a mad scramble, cutting out incomplete and/or buggy features and just unnecessary things to clear the overhead.

Peter Molyneux did publicly apologize, which at least shows his integrity as well as his awareness of accountability to the fans. In his apology, he did say he'd be keeping future projects much more secret to avoid this kind of fiasco again, so if he holds true to it, half of your problems with this whole Lionhead buyout will go down the drain, I expect.

Again, it's not false advertisement, because the "hype statements" were never actually advertised. If you really think you have a case, I'm sure you can chat it up with Microsoft's lawyers. :confused:

[Phaser]

Even though the story of MGS2 veered off into the the territory of nonsensical fairly often, I must admit that some of the twists and plot points were nothing short of pure genius - such as the whole "Snake is dead" angle (a bit predictable, but executed excellently), the Stillman/Fatman sidestory, the revelation of Arsenal gear, Snake "double-crossing" Raiden before boarding Arsenal gear and finding out in the end that Solidus was in fact a true patriot, especially when he reaches out for the Gearge Washington statue just before his last breath.

Regardless of what you may think about it's gameplay, story or even the overall title as a whole, in my opinion MGS2 is the crown jewel of real-time cinematics in games complete with Harry Gregson Williams' absolutely phenomenal score (his best work ever alongwith Spy Game), featuring scenes (and music) that even MGS3 couldn't top.

[WhatsHisFace]

Even though the story of MGS2 veered off into the the territory of nonsensical fairly often, I must admit that some of the twists and plot points were nothing short of pure genius - such as the whole "Snake is dead" angle (a bit predictable, but executed excellently), the Stillman/Fatman sidestory, the revelation of Arsenal gear, Snake "double-crossing" Raiden before boarding Arsenal gear and finding out in the end that Solidus was in fact a true patriot, especially when he reaches out for the Gearge Washington statue just before his last breath.
I will agree that there are moments in the story that are insanely effective, but they are like gold rings in a hog's snout. They're beautiful, but in the wrong place. Solidus reaching out to Washington was flat out beatiful, and then the next shot is Solid Snake and Raiden standing in New York talking about sex. :down

Regardless of what you may think about it's gameplay, story or even the overall title as a whole, in my opinion MGS2 is the crown jewel of real-time cinematics in games complete with Harry Gregson Williams' absolutely phenomenal score (his best work ever alongwith Spy Game), featuring scenes (and music) that even MGS3 couldn't top.
Yes, it has absolutely great presentation. It's still one of the best looking PS2 games out there and the cinematics were wonderfully made and very well directed. It's just that the rest of the game did not come too close to living up to the highpoints that were not gameplay.

And yes, the score is probably one of the best videogame songs ever written. I have my MP3 of it. :up:

[Phaser]

I will agree that there are moments in the story that are insanely effective, but they are like gold rings in a hog's snout. They're beautiful, but in the wrong place.

Yes, it has absolutely great presentation. It's still one of the best looking PS2 games out there and the cinematics were wonderfully made and very well directed. It's just that the rest of the game did not come too close to living up to the highpoints that were not gameplay.


I don't quite agree with that. When it comes to cinematics and presentation, I think the good outweighs the bad in MGS2. Precisely because what's good is so damn good.

Solidus reaching out to Washington was flat out beatiful, and then the next shot is Solid Snake and Raiden standing in New York talking about sex. :down

Yeah, a number of things felt a little too contrived and unnecessary. Did Kojima really have to elaborate on the fact that Vamp was a bisexual? Did he really have to throw the whole incestual relationships in Otacon's screwed-up family? Double crosses over double crosses? Rose whining on the codec? And worst mistake of all - Raiden?!

And yes, the score is probably one of the best videogame songs ever written. I have my MP3 of it. :up:

There were certain pieces of the game's score that aren't even on both volumes of the soundtrack - why is it that some of the best stuff always gets left out on OSTs, be they games or movies?! :down: :mad:

[Horrorfan]

It's just wierd that you find Fable to have such a shallow story but then get a kick out of a Megaman plot.


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And the MGS games, which would have a more cohereant and enjoyable plot if it wasn't written by a lobotomised monkey.

Fable rocked. End of.

And Penny Arcade have been funny since when?

[Matt]

mainly towards the last three or four hours. I was glued to my chair.


Last three or four hours? The game was three or four hours long. (sorry, was just too easy not to take)

[Matt]

And worst mistake of all - Raiden?!




Gotta jump in here...because I do whenever someone trash talks Raiden. He really isn't that bad. Give him a hair cut and a little more experience and he will be a damn good character. MGS2 simply would not have worked from the view of Raiden. For MGS2 to work you have to see the game, and Snake through someone elses eyes. Raiden served the purpose he was meant to serve.

[Matt]

And just for the record, if Fable were a PS2 exclusive, WHF would have a field day with it.

[TheSaintofKillers]

I hate Lionhead. I mean, I waited maybe 2 years to buy an xbox. Didn't really care for it. Until I saw and heard about BC. THAT game was THE game. It looked and had so much potential. Sure, I wanted Half life 2, but either I was upgrading my computer, or brought an xbox.

I went on and brought and xbox (cost me a lot around that time) for BC. The game was delayed. Delayed again. And again. Finally to be cancelled.

And i'm going to hate them even more if they release it on the 360. They would be saying to me "you brought one system to play our game, and we screwed you. And now you must buy ANOTHER system for us. Own."

Grrr, stupid and evil Lionhead.

[WhatsHisFace]

And just for the record, if Fable were a PS2 exclusive, WHF would have a field day with it.
Like how I had a field day with God of War, Devil May Cry, Shadow of the Colossus and Ryu Ga Gotoku? Sure, Matt.

[Zenien]

It says that Lionhead is going to move forward making games for "Xbox and Windows" formats. So just don't get crappy Apples or Linux "PCs". :o

Boot Camp for macs and Ubuntu for anything else, problem solved. :O

[hippie_hunter]

I will agree that there are moments in the story that are insanely effective, but they are like gold rings in a hog's snout. They're beautiful, but in the wrong place. Solidus reaching out to Washington was flat out beatiful, and then the next shot is Solid Snake and Raiden standing in New York talking about sex. :down

Snake and Raiden weren't talking about sex. Snake was saying to Raiden that he should get a brand new start on life, one where he is not manipulated by the Patriots or Solidus. One where he can make his own decsions. One where he could live with Rose and his child.

However, Otacon sleeping with his step-mother was a bit...shall I say...odd.

[WhatsHisFace]

Boot Camp for macs and Ubuntu for anything else, problem solved. :O
Boot camp lets Macs use Windows, but Ubuntu IS an operating system. :confused:

[Zenien]

According to DRT it runs basically anything, including Linux, Windows, Mac apps and games. :O

[WhatsHisFace]

Pfft. DRT's an idiot. Ubuntu started crapping out on his and making everything run really slow yesterday.

[Phaser]

Gotta jump in here...because I do whenever someone trash talks Raiden. He really isn't that bad. Give him a hair cut and a little more experience and he will be a damn good character. MGS2 simply would not have worked from the view of Raiden. For MGS2 to work you have to see the game, and Snake through someone elses eyes. Raiden served the purpose he was meant to serve.

I absolutely loved the idea of seeing Snake through someone else's eyes. That's one of the things I adored about MGS2. The whole "Solid Snake is dead" angle and then watching just how much of a badass Snake really made my appreciation for him go up tenfold. It's not the idea I have a problem with. It's the character of Raiden.

First of all, his looks - when I first saw him in the opening movie, I thought it was just some chick fighting alongside Snake. Is there anything about Raiden that does NOT seem excessively feminine? Slim body in a skin-tight suit, smooth bleached hair, whiny and annoying. Yessir, he's got it all nailed down to a T. It's a good thing that Kojima included the part where the President goes for Raiden's crotch "You're...a man?!" - that pretty much shows that he agrees with me.

His backstory - total suckage. Even though it is later revealed that Solidus trained Raiden when he was a kid who was a lethal S.O.B back then, I can't help but wonder in amazement how the hell does he manage to pull off such a sappy, sorry and gutless figure for almost the entirety of the game. And Rose...ugh.

If only Kojima had a character that was more...appropriate instead of Raiden who seemed just so wrong and out of place.

[Phaser]

Oh and **** those bloody Japs!

It was to appease those metrosexual-alpha-male-loving retards was why we got the overswollen pus-leaking abscess that is Raiden.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[WhatsHisFace]

If that was the case, they stopped short with feminine features and a sword. They sleft out having his chest exposed and giving him armbands, spikey hair and the stupidest outfit ever. Kind of like...


http://simplyff.free.fr/FF12/artworks/vaan.jpg

[Phaser]

If that was the case, they stopped short with feminine features and a sword. They sleft out having his chest exposed and giving him armbands, spikey hair and the stupidest outfit ever. Kind of like...

http://simplyff.free.fr/FF12/artworks/vaan.jpg

I guess it might have to do something with the fact that there was a genuine man amongst them who just wouldn't have them horny Japs go all the way with the metrosexual crap. Thank god for MGS's military advisor, Motosada Mori:

http://solidsnake19148.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/mori.jpg

:up:

Eat testosterone ya big pussies! :mad:

[Zenien]

Van only looks like that in the artwork. He looks fine in the game. :confused:

[WhatsHisFace]

No he doesn't. He still looks awful.

http://www.gaming-media.com/rpg/ff12/images/ffxii-ss06.jpg

And since CGIs will be 80% of teh game again, it's just as bad. :(

[hippie_hunter]

No he doesn't. He still looks awful.

http://www.gaming-media.com/rpg/ff12/images/ffxii-ss06.jpg

And since CGIs will be 80% of teh game again, it's just as bad. :(

And WHF for the win

[Zenien]

omg he's dressed in line with the clothing style of his region and looks not nearly as soft featured in the game as that art shot. Omg you can see his chest and his clothing is modelled after the monk class.

Take your insecurities somewhere else.

[Mentok]

I should totally dress like that.

[WhatsHisFace]

omg he's dressed in line with the clothing style of his region and looks not nearly as soft featured in the game as that art shot. Omg you can see his chest and his clothing is modelled after the monk class.

Take your insecurities somewhere else.
Very weak. You've reached a new low trying to defend this game.

[Zenien]

So basically your entire arguement for him boils down to you can see his chest. He looks boyish in the game, not metrosexual and he only looks feminine in that promotional shot. Compare his in game model and look to that.

And he has a girlfriend, so don't go getting any ideas about him because he has clothes sort of like Alladin (who also has a girlfriend).

[WhatsHisFace]

So basically you're entire arguement for him boils down to you can see his chest. Cute. He looks boyish in the game, not metrosexual.
Zenien, if you can't see what's wrong with Vaan the same way the rest of the gaming world has, by simply looking at him, then I just can't argue with you, because you're too stupid to understand anyways.

[Zenien]

I see what you see as a problem, it just isn't actually some big deal.

[WhatsHisFace]

I never said it was a big deal, I just was discussing with Phaser the odd fact that Japanese gamers prefer a character who looks like Vaan to someone who looks like Solid Snake.

[Zenien]

Fair enough. Speaking of Solid Snake... a month give or take to go until we see the MGS4 trailer...

[Phaser]

Gee, thanks for stating the obvious.

[The Trainman]

Fair enough. Speaking of Solid Snake... a month give or take to go until we see the MGS4 trailer...

Yeah, if you're waiting for some crappy cam-shaking vid with awful lighting. I hope Kojima Productions releases the official trailer on their site. I want to see it in beautiful Quicktime (if it's available). By the way, Zenien, your avatar rocks! :up:

[Kipobe]

I wish the search engine was still working... I really wish it was, because I DISTINCTLY remember a thread where I was talking about The Movies (veeerrrrryy early on in it's production life, so a couple of years ago) and THWIP ripped Lionhead Studios apart limb from limb.

Unfortunately, I can't find the thread:(

[Phaser]

By the way, Zenien, your avatar rocks! :up:

Yeah, I like male pornstars too. :rolleyes:

For God's sake Kojima, at least give the man a scruffy beard!

[Zenien]

Yeah, if you're waiting for some crappy cam-shaking vid with awful lighting. I hope Kojima Productions releases the official trailer on their site. I want to see it in beautiful Quicktime (if it's available). By the way, Zenien, your avatar rocks! :up:

The best versions will still be the shaky cams, remember what happened with the first MGS4 trailer? The version on the Konami website was horrible.

And yes, it is. :D


Gee, thanks for stating the obvious.

The less obvious my statements become, the more they go over people's heads. But that to is an obvious statement.

So you're welcome. :O :P

[The Trainman]

Yeah, I like male pornstars too. :rolleyes:

For God's sake Kojima, at least give the man a scruffy beard!

Ron Jeremy has nothing on Solid Snake. ;)

[Kipobe]

I don't like your avatar, Zenien. The color doesn't let you stand out:down

[Phaser]

Ron Jeremy has nothing on Solid Snake. ;)

Solid Snake is a PINO (pornstar in name only) and doesn't get to bang hot chicks. Ron Jeremy wins. You lose.

[The Riddler]

i want an animated avatar. :(

[Zenien]

I don't like your avatar, Zenien. The color doesn't let you stand out:down

You never like any avatar changes I make. :mad:

[The Trainman]

Solid Snake is a PINO (pornstar in name only) and doesn't get to bang hot chicks. Ron Jeremy wins. You lose.

He gets to bang pixilated chicks such as Meryl. :)

[Capt Throbberson]

His backstory - total suckage. Even though it is later revealed that Solidus trained Raiden when he was a kid who was a lethal S.O.B back then, I can't help but wonder in amazement how the hell does he manage to pull off such a sappy, sorry and gutless figure for almost the entirety of the game. And Rose...ugh.

That actually made him even more stupid.

So basically your entire arguement for him boils down to you can see his chest. He looks boyish in the game, not metrosexual and he only looks feminine in that promotional shot. Compare his in game model and look to that.

And he has a girlfriend, so don't go getting any ideas about him because he has clothes sort of like Alladin (who also has a girlfriend).
I'm usually on your side alot of the time, but you're wrong there.

[Phaser]

That actually made him even more stupid.

Yeah, to think that the whiny, gutless little prick I was playing as all along was some kind of super child-soldier prodigy lethal enough to be called as "Jack The Ripper". I was like..."WTF?!" :confused: :rolleyes:

[Phaser]

He gets to bang pixilated chicks such as Meryl. :)

He didn't even get to kiss Meryl. :confused:

At least his old man was luck enough to actually "get some", but even that's pretty sad since he was the one who ended up getting "used". :D

[The Trainman]

He didn't even get to kiss Meryl. :confused:

At least his old man was luck enough to actually "get some", but even that's pretty sad since he was the one who ended up getting "used". :D

Well, we never really knew what happened after the first Metal Gear Solid game so...

As for his papa, yeah, he totally got owned.

[Phaser]

Well, we never really knew what happened after the first Metal Gear Solid game so...

Then in all likelihood, Meryl might have dumped Snake for one of them hot Alaskan husky-riding Eskimos even before ol' Dave had a chance to taste the cherry, which could be a possible explaination for her absence in MGS2.

[Zenien]

I'd like to believe that they had a relationship but Snakes dedication to phylanthropy drove her away. :(

[The Trainman]

Then in all likelihood, Meryl might have dumped Snake for one of them hot Alaskan husky-riding Eskimos even before ol' Dave had a chance to taste the cherry, which could be a possible explaination for her absence in MGS2.

LMAO! :up:

[Zenien]

That's not funny, it's just crass and cruel. :o

[The Trainman]

I'd like to believe that they had a relationship but Snakes dedication to phylanthropy drove her away. :(

We'll finally know why in MGS4.

[Zenien]

That game was reviewed in a flurry of hype.

So you just agreed with me.

Later on down the line when Substance came out, it recieved far lower reviews, even though it was the same game, but better. It was a multimillion seller because it's in a popular series.

Far lower? If by "far lower" you mean a difference of 9 and 8 percent? A drop yes, but not far lower. But that's my point, hype effect reviews, and in terms of hype this gen, Fable was about unchallenged save for a few, in terms of the hype it recieved.

http://i2.tinypic.com/ta5xtj.jpghttp://i2.tinypic.com/ta604j.jpg


If a game came out exactly like it (Spy Fiction), it would have sold much worse.

You're equating Spy Fiction to MGS2. MGS2 might not be a great game, but give it some credit.


And if Fable hadn't been hyped to the moon by Molyneux and Xbox fans as the RPG killer that would kill every other RPG (and you can't deny this), it wouldn't have sold so well. The hype for Fable litterally was unstopable, not only on this board, but everywhere across the internet and through the non-casual to casual Xbox fanbase. You said it yourself at one point, reguardless of how many people the game dissapointed. The game may have recieved fair reviews, but we all do know the truth that Fable is not a universally loved game reguardless of its reviews.


Can it be argued that it's a good game? Yes, it's not an opinion I share, but it can be argued.

I think you're confusing "Advertisement" with "Hype". The game had been very hyped up, we've been through that already. However, the actual advertisement was not "false" in any way.

What do you think a developer or producer is doing when they're talking about their game, it IS advertising. They are advertising their product. Peter Molyneux said this IS how the game will be. He advertised his game as something it wasn't before it was even fully taking shape, but that blistering hype, which is advertising WHF, sustained itself all the way until the final release.

Later he said "Oh when I said it would be the greatest RPG ever and ranted like a fanboy about it, hyping it up unrealistically, I meant that was the ambition". He never said "this is our ambition" before hand, only after the fact. Which makes it false advertising. It's not just what he said, it's how he said it.

Yeah, let's start molding the game now. Like if you shovel hack the fences in Fable you can run around in the surrounding fields. Not exactly fair.

It was an offhand comment, not meant to be a point of contention.


Like Metal Gear Solid 2 had a great story? A game about Russians hijacking giant robots off a Naval Ship to prove themselves "Mother Russia" and then arbitrarily cut over to an emotional soldier who ate dynamite as a kid and has to run around butt-naked in order to take on his Doc-Ock father on top of a giant submarine that crashed into New York City?

One is modest but suceeds in its goals, the other is a pretentious roaring failure, the product of poor planning poor execution and a rushed finish.

And speaking of characters, Fable's characters were fairly believable in the context of the game. In Metal Gear Solid 2, we have a Russian Cowboy whose arm has a mind of it's own, a Vampire (!), a bullet-proof beyonce who ends up not being so bullet proof, but then is... a general who becomes a stupid AI when the writers realise there's no way to end the game with him still there... I mean really. I know double standards exist, but this is extreme.

I haven't commented on the story of MGS2. Why are you continually using the story of MGS2 as an distracting example when it's tied to a different part of the arguement. For all you know I agree with your viewpoint on the story.



Well then I don't know what's worse. Him saying that's his goal, or you expecting it to happen.

I expect him to make good games WHF, something BW2 Fable and movies are not.


They were reality, actually. A good portion of the promised features were shown off in playable builds in the years leading up to the game's release. Unfortunately, as time went on and the limitations of the Xbox hardware were becoming tighter and tighter, the team made a mad scramble, cutting out incomplete and/or buggy features and just unnecessary things to clear the overhead.

Obviously if they had to slash and burn their product nearing the final stretch then they were not. What do you define as in reality, seriously. Wake up.

Peter Molyneux did publicly apologize, which at least shows his integrity as well as his awareness of accountability to the fans.

So stop apologizing for him.

In his apology, he did say he'd be keeping future projects much more secret to avoid this kind of fiasco again, so if he holds true to it, half of your problems with this whole Lionhead buyout will go down the drain, I expect.

Not really, my complaint with them has never been Peter exclusively, it's pretty clear that Lionhead as a developer is the thing people take more issue with.

Again, it's not false advertisement, because the "hype statements" were never actually advertised. If you really think you have a case, I'm sure you can chat it up with Microsoft's lawyers. :confused:

Never actually advertised? I must have imgained all of the Interviews being quoted on the front page of every magazine and game websites that similarly had splash images with quotes from him.

[Phaser]

...I can't help laughing my ass off thinking that you've been preparing that reply for the past three days. http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/style_emoticons/2/24.gif

[TheCardPlayer]

He didn't even get to kiss Meryl. :confused:
But Ocelot banged her. Hence Ocelot wins.

[Phaser]

But Ocelot banged her. Hence Ocelot wins.

But Ocelot got his hand chopped off. At least Snake can "pleasure" himself in private without the fear of his twin brother's right hand watching him get off.

[TheCardPlayer]

But Ocelot got his hand chopped off. At least Snake can "pleasure" himself in private without the fear of his twin brother's right hand watching him get off.Ocelot can get ''pleasured'' by the clone of his worst enemy. Snake can't do that.

Ocelot owned everyone in all MGS games. Everyone. Even the hostages in MGS2 were probably thinking: Dude, that Ocelot guy is ****ing awesome!

[Phaser]

Ocelot can get ''pleasured'' by the clone of his worst enemy. Snake can't do that.

I can only imagine what would happen with Liquid's arm "waking up" while Ocelot's doing it. After that, let's just say that the little ol' Revolver won't have a penis left to bother pleasuring anymore...

Ocelot owned everyone in all MGS games. Everyone. Even the hostages in MGS2 were probably thinking: Dude, that Ocelot guy is ****ing awesome!

He was a whiny little prick in MGS3, just like Raiden. Watching him put up a fight against Snake (who had just bested The Boss by the way) in the end was downright ridiculous. Come to think of it, that sequence was a LOT like the part in MGS2 where it's revealed that the gutless Jack-ass you were playing as all along was some sort of child-soldier killing machine. Both made the exact amount of sense i.e, none whatsoever. :down:

[Horrorfan]

One is modest but suceeds in its goals, the other is a pretentious roaring failure, the product of poor planning poor execution and a rushed finish.


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Im a bit confused, by by modest you mean Fable, and pretentious, you mean MGS, right?

[Phaser]

Im a bit confused, by by modest you mean Fable, and pretentious, you mean MGS, right?

Haha, the irony of it. :D

Of course in terms of hype, both have managed to touch the seventh sky but MGS2 managed to deliver more to it's promise than Fable did. So, she's right...in a senselessly overblown, exaggerated kind of way.

[Horrorfan]

Haha, the irony of it. :D

Of course in terms of hype, both have managed to touch the seventh sky but MGS2 managed to deliver more to it's promise than Fable did. So, she's right...in a senselessly overblown, exaggerated kind of way.


I thought she meant storyline to me. The fable story was very basic, but accessible and well done and was basically your own superhero tale. from what I know, the mgs story seems insane and outragously pretencious (someone above put it absoloutly perfectly when he compared it to the ramblings of the last two matrix movies).

[Phaser]

(someone above put it absoloutly perfectly when he compared it to the ramblings of the last two matrix movies).

Yeah, that would me. :batman:

[Horrorfan]

Yeah, that would me. :batman:


Well damn fine job sir :) I couldn't have put it better myself (though I was sure you were a MGS fan for some reason).

[Phaser]

(though I was sure you were a MGS fan for some reason).

I am an MGS fan, just not someone who thinks Kojima is god who can do absolutely nothing wrong and are ready to have his babies at a moment's notice.

[Horrorfan]

I am an MGS fan .


Darn I was just starting to like you :(

[Zenien]

...I can't help laughing my ass off thinking that you've been preparing that reply for the past three days. http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/style_emoticons/2/24.gif

That post took me a few minutes to make and was made on the spot. Whatever. :confused:

Im a bit confused, by by modest you mean Fable, and pretentious, you mean MGS, right?

No I wasn't talking about MGS. I should clarify that. My post was in response to WHF saying "You get a kick out of MegaMan yet don't like the story of Fable". He just brought up MGS as a smokescreen against the actual points.

[Zenien]

....

[Phaser]

That post took me a few minutes to make and was made on the spot. Whatever. :confused:

Of course, if your "on the spot" reply hadn't been made to a post that was three days old after which you did post in this thread thereby seemingly nullifying the "I-missed-it" excuse, I would've believed you. :)

[WhatsHisFace]

That time of the month again?

[Zenien]

Of course, if your "on the spot" reply hadn't been made to a post that was three days old after which you did post in this thread thereby seemingly nullifying the "I-missed-it" excuse, I would've believed you. :)

Maybe I hadn't gotten around to it before, since I do other things than post here. :)

[Phaser]

Maybe I hadn't gotten around to it before, since I do other things than post here. :)

You know I would've believed that too, if only you hadn't played the "took only a few minutes to make" card moments ago. And no one is too busy to spare just a few minutes to take care of "priorities" that would accumulate and would have to be taken care of three days later.

[Zenien]

Oh no, I used a relatively unsubjective term in comparision to my intended usage of it. I have commited a crime.

This forum isn't a priority.

And it took like 7 minutes at a guess. You can believe whatever the heck it is you want, it doesn't matter in the scheme of things.

[Phaser]

Oh no, I used a relatively unsubjective term in comparision to my intended usage of it. I have commited a crime.

Now don't you feel special.

*lifts hands*

Don't look at me. If only people stop backing themselves into corners like that, they'd still have someplace to run.


This forum isn't a priority.

I didn't mean it literally, hence the inverted commas, dear. But apparently still "important" enough for you to come back three days later and draft a reply, isn't it?

And it took like 7 minutes at a guess. You can believe whatever the heck it is you want, it doesn't matter in the scheme of things.

Of course...:)

[THWIP*]

Maybe I hadn't gotten around to it before, since I do other things than post here. :)


MAYBE YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THAT FOR OTHERS AS WELL, RATHER THAN ACCUSE THEM OF "BAILING". :)

:down:rolleyes:

[Zenien]

No THWIP that really doesn't apply. Not only would you not reply on topic after that, in most cases, you stopped replying at all. No 3 days later or anything. The B-17 bailout, and Denton agrees that was pretty well done, was also posted because of your unwavering ability to be an idiot and get "confused" over the actual points of a conversation.

Nice try though, but no.

[WhatsHisFace]

I can't even tell what the hell is going on in this thread anymore.

[THWIP*]

No THWIP that really doesn't apply. Not only would you not reply on topic after that, in most cases, you stopped replying at all. No 3 days later or anything. The B-17 bailout, and Denton agrees that was pretty well done, was also posted because of your unwavering ability to be an idiot and get "confused" over the actual points of a conversation.

Nice try though, but no.


NO......I JUST LOSE INTEREST AFTER HAVING TO SAY THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER TO YOU. MOST OF THE TIME, YOU'RE NOT WORTH WASTING THE FIRST RESPONSE ON, BECAUSE YOU'RE SO THIN-SKINNED, AND HARD-HEADED. BESIDES, IF I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH THREAD OUR CONVERSATION WAS IN, I RARELY WASTE TIME TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT; AGAIN.....IT'S NEVER WORTH IT. IF YOU'D PUT THE SAME EFFORT INTO LIFE AND SCHOOL, AS YOU DO TRYING PROVE PEOPLE WRONG AND MAKE YOURSELF LOOK SMART IN A CHAT FORUM, YOU'D GO FAR IN LIFE. :up:

[Zenien]

Yeah ok, THWIP*. http://media.teamxbox.com/forum/smilies/lol.gif

[WhatsHisFace]

Yeah ok, THWIP*. http://media.teamxbox.com/forum/smilies/lol.gif
He's right.

[TheCardPlayer]

He's right.Seconded.

[THWIP*]

He's right.


...AND SHE KNOWS IT. :O

[Zenien]

Nice to see you guys bonding together. Common cause and so on.

[THWIP*]

Nice to see you guys bonding together.


MAYBE YOU NEED TO RECRUIT SOME DYKES TO BACK YOU UP IN HERE. DOESN'T 'HOLLY' SWING BOTH WAYS? :o

[Zenien]

The people agreeing with you are Cardplayer, and WHF lives on this forum to insult me, but we get along fine on AIM.

[TheCardPlayer]

My imaginary friends also agree with him. They count.

[Zenien]

Why would I even bother telling THWIP* about my life, honestly, it's just playing the "hahaha you must not have a life" that people do when they've got nothing useful to contribute. He's been shut down endlessly on these forums, even Denton will tell you that, and Denton isn't stupid as anyone here who's been here for whatever period of time can tell you. It's great being targeted because I'm a lesbian or something, but really guys, at some point stop patting eachother on the back for nothing and contribute.

If THWIP really wants to get into the life game, I spend maybe an hour on here a day in between my stupid boring slacking job of awesome. That's about it. I have money saved up, and I'm taking courses in University this next semester. I've graduated high school with high marks and am paying my own way through school, no one is helping me. I waste time here because work is boring and it's a hobby of sorts, I have a good amount of friends, a girlfriend who I love and I'm out, with other people (WOW!) like 2-3 times a week doing things.

But after posting that, people are going to say "LOL LIARZ", I don't really care, but it brings up the point again: What's the point of even getting into real life stuff as amunition for an arguement on an internet board for crying out loud.

I'm sure that THWIP is a perfectly nice guy and a good person in real life, it doesn't really mater, who or what the person does in real life. Playing that whole "you must suck!" is pretty childish.

[TheCardPlayer]

Lesbian or not, you're a Sony fanboy, that's why we band together. Fanboys hunters, we are!

[THWIP*]

Why would I even bother telling THWIP* about my life, honestly, it's just playing the "hahaha you must not have a life" that people do when they've got nothing useful to contribute. He's been shut down endlessly on these forums, even Denton will tell you that, and Denton isn't stupid as anyone here who's been here for whatever period of time can tell you. It's great being targeted because I'm a lesbian or something, but really guys, at some point stop patting eachother on the back for nothing and contribute.


YOU'RE NOT TARGETED BECAUSE YOU'RE A LESBIAN, 'ZENIEN'. YOU'RE "HOLIER-THAN-THOU" ATTITUDE MAKES YOU A TARGET. BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE THIN-SKINNED, SO YOU TAKE OFFENSE TO IT. I GET CALLED "OLD MAN", "PERVERT", "SENILE", ETC. ON THESE BOARDS ALL THE TIME, AND I JUST HAVE FUN WITH IT. YOU SHOULD TRY IT. :up:

[TheCardPlayer]

YOU'RE NOT TARGETED BECAUSE YOU'RE A LESBIAN, 'ZENIEN'. YOU'RE "HOLIER-THAN-THOU" ATTITUDE MAKES YOU A TARGET. BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE THIN-SKINNED, SO YOU TAKE OFFENSE TO IT. I GET CALLED "OLD MAN", "PERVERT", "SENILE", ETC. ON THESE BOARDS ALL THE TIME, AND I JUST HAVE FUN WITH IT. YOU SHOULD TRY IT. :up:Yeah, this is Superhero board with a Games section. It's all about having fun. I love arguing anyway.

[Zenien]

Sigh, I'm probably suprisingly one of the more level headed people around here when it comes to being unbiased. Do I not forfill the "KoTor rules" quota or something? It's like with the Lizard saying he wanted to beat me to making a "Fall of Man Halo beater" thread.

um, excuse me?

[Zenien]

YOU'RE NOT TARGETED BECAUSE YOU'RE A LESBIAN, 'ZENIEN'. YOU'RE "HOLIER-THAN-THOU" ATTITUDE MAKES YOU A TARGET. BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE THIN-SKINNED, SO YOU TAKE OFFENSE TO IT. I GET CALLED "OLD MAN", "PERVERT", "SENILE", ETC. ON THESE BOARDS ALL THE TIME, AND I JUST HAVE FUN WITH IT. YOU SHOULD TRY IT. :up:

THWIP I target you because after like over 2 years of you doing what you do, it's enough. Sometime a person might like to have a legitimate conversation about things, but that's not what you want or something? You deliberately act as hard headed as possible, and deliberately veer into "LIQUID WAS TALKIGN ABOUT HE BOLDED PARTS" just to be difficult. Sometimes you could just look at things honestly instead of having fun by being annoying.

[TheCardPlayer]

Sigh, I'm probably suprisingly one of the more level headed people around here when it comes to being unbiased. Do I not forfill the "KoTor rules" quota or something? It's like with the Lizard saying he wanted to beat me to making a "Fall of Man Halo beater" thread.

um, excuse me?Come on! I saw you post one topic about a 360 game once...Dead Rising I think, and I nearly fell out of my chair in shock.

Admit it! You love the Sony! :D

[THWIP*]

Sigh, I'm probably suprisingly one of the more level headed people around here when it comes to being unbiased. Do I not forfill the "KoTor rules" quota or something? It's like with the Lizard saying he wanted to beat me to making a "Fall of Man Halo beater" thread.

um, excuse me?


YOU JUST NEED TO LAY OFF THE "FACT-FINDING" MISSIONS, AND NOT TAKE THINGS SO SERIOUSLY IN HERE, IS ALL. :O

TAKE THAT CORNCOB OUT OF YOUR ASS, AND PUT IT TO BETTER USE ELSEWHERE. :):up:

[Zenien]

I LIKE SONY PLATFORM BECAUSE IT HAS THE MOST GAMES THAT INTEREST ME, I ALSO LIKE PLENTY OF GAMES ON THE XBOX AND NINTENDO SYSTEMS. :mad:

[TheCardPlayer]

YOU JUST NEED TO LAY OFF THE "FACT-FINDING" MISSIONS, AND NOT TAKE THINGS SO SERIOUSLY IN HERE, IS ALL. :O
No, she needs to do fact-finding for all the consoles...Not just her precious Sony and Nintendo. :O

[TheCardPlayer]

I ALSO LIKE PLENTY OF GAMES ON THE XBOX I will print this quote and hang it on my wall. :D :up:

[Zenien]

YOU JUST NEED TO LAY OFF THE "FACT-FINDING" MISSIONS, AND NOT TAKE THINGS SO SERIOUSLY IN HERE, IS ALL. :O

TAKE THAT CORNCOB OUT OF YOUR ASS, AND PUT IT TO BETTER USE ELSEWHERE. :):up:

If I don't go on fact finding missions you guys eat me alive, and thus the board is not fun. Seriously there's no other person here that puts up with as much being ganged up on as I do. Maybe you guys just want to semi-troll stuff or whatever, but I'd like to legitimately talk about things once in a while, without having to talk to Phaser.

Anyway I better actually do some work so it's not obvious taht I've been talking on a message board all day instead of 'working'. :(

[THWIP*]

THWIP I target you because after like over 2 years of you doing what you do, it's enough. Sometime a person might like to have a legitimate conversation about things, but that's not what you want or something? You deliberately act as hard headed as possible, and deliberately veer into "LIQUID WAS TALKIGN ABOUT HE BOLDED PARTS" just to be difficult. Sometimes you could just look at things honestly instead of having fun by being annoying.


YOU'RE STILL ON THAT? :confused: SERIOUSLY, LET IT GO, 'Z'. WHAT WAS IN BOLD, AND LARGE PRINT, IS WHAT I THOUGHT HE WAS RESPONDING TO (HIS RESPONSE WAS EXTREMELY VAGUE, SO THAT'S ALL I HAD TO GO ON); THAT WAS THE ONLY PART I TOOK ISSUE WITH. IF YOU THOUGHT OTHERWISE, I SUPPOSE THAT EXPLAINS WHY YOU WERE ACTING ALL MENTAL. :down:O

BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN; YOU LATCH ON TO ONE LITTLE THING, AND FORCE A THREAD TO GO 10 PAGES OFF-COURSE, OVER SOMETHING SILLY. IF SOMEONE TRIES TO CORRECT YOU, OR EVEN THEMSELVES, THEY'RE "BAILING OUT". :down

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[TheCardPlayer]

That chick is HOT!

[Zenien]

YOU'RE STILL ON THAT? :confused: SERIOUSLY, LET IT GO, 'Z'. WHAT WAS IN BOLD, AND LARGE PRINT, IS WHAT I THOUGHT HE WAS RESPONDING TO (HIS RESPONSE WAS EXTREMELY VAGUE, SO THAT'S ALL I HAD TO GO ON); THAT WAS THE ONLY PART I TOOK ISSUE WITH. IF YOU THOUGHT OTHERWISE, I SUPPOSE THAT EXPLAINS WHY YOU WERE ACTING ALL MENTAL. :down:O

BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN; YOU LATCH ON TO ONE LITTLE THING, AND FORCE A THREAD TO GO 10 PAGES OFF-COURSE, OVER SOMETHING SILLY. IF SOMEONE TRIES TO CORRECT YOU, OR EVEN THEMSELVES, THEY'RE "BAILING OUT". :down

I never said you were bailing out in that instance. Seriously though, if you honestly want to critisize someone who actually latches on, look at phaser.

If there's a point I'm going to argue it, I'm not just going to make aflippant comment and end it with a "rolleyes". You want this place to be dumbed down, or some such? Because honestly that's sort of what you're talking about.

[DrugDealer]

This thread is so, so stupid. You think KotOR, Black & White, and The Movies are bad games....but you like Metal Gear? And you aren't even the smallest bit biased?

You just "lose interest in stupid arguments, so I usually just leave"...but instead, just this once, you hang around for multiple pages continuing a stupid argument? You bail out of arguments, period. Everyone here does it. WHF does it. I do it. Every single person on this board has been wrong after swearing up and down, in an insulting manner probably, that they were right, and upon being proven wrong, they logged out and let the thread bury itself. But you do do it. You don't just "lose interest" at the first sight of being incorrect without fail.

WHF, stop being a douche that combines with other douches to be even more douche like than normal. If you can be friends with zenien on AIM, then you can be friends with zenien here, stop ganging up on her all the time.

Cardplayer, do you really think anyone gives a flying **** about anything you do or say? You're not in the clique, and you never will be. Don't make direct eye contact with us, and do not speak directly to us without expressed permission from two or more of us. And just stop with this "I'm not a fanboy, really!" facade you've been hiding behind these past few weeks, it's become less comically retarded and more depressingly retarded. That Xbox360 games look better than PS3 games, aside from being a way to playfully irritate zenien until she paid me back by crossing the line and insulting the development house of Jesus, was almost entirely a parody of you. That's right, on a forum containing me, WHF, THWIP, and a resurrected EML, you were chosen as the alpha male of retarded xbox fanboys on the forum. And no amount of half assed "erm, I guess sony is ok, see, I said this game looks decent" is going to change that. And don't say "haha i dont know wat ur talk1ng bout guy kthnx bye lol wtf", I don't care.






Now, back to Lionhead Studios being a better development house than anything Sony has to offer and back to Molyneux being blamed for Fable's shortcomings, a game that he had no hand in whatsoever as far as development goes, a game he merely bankrolled with his studio, and back to him being better than any of the heads of any of the studios who developed any of your favorite games.

[TheCardPlayer]

Ah, you again.

You're hard to ban, eh?

[DrugDealer]

Considering this site is run by a bunch of baboons who don't even know how to use MySQL right, which takes about five minutes to learn, no, I'm not really "hard to ban". I'm just being chased by a cadre of jackasses who have something on the internet that they don't have in real life - power. At least, in their minds they do.

[WhatsHisFace]

Now, back to Lionhead Studios being a better development house than anything Sony has to offer and back to Molyneux being blamed for Fable's shortcomings, a game that he had no hand in whatsoever as far as development goes, a game he merely bankrolled with his studio, and back to him being better than any of the heads of any of the studios who developed any of your favorite games.
Peter Molyneux wasn't able to have a speech thanks to that buyout. He would have outdone Will Wright.

[THWIP*]

This thread is so, so stupid. You think KotOR, Black & White, and The Movies are bad games....but you like Metal Gear? And you aren't even the smallest bit biased?

You just "lose interest in stupid arguments, so I usually just leave"...but instead, just this once, you hang around for multiple pages continuing a stupid argument? You bail out of arguments, period. Everyone here does it. WHF does it. I do it. Every single person on this board has been wrong after swearing up and down, in an insulting manner probably, that they were right, and upon being proven wrong, they logged out and let the thread bury itself. But you do do it. You don't just "lose interest" at the first sight of being incorrect without fail.

WHF, stop being a douche that combines with other douches to be even more douche like than normal. If you can be friends with zenien on AIM, then you can be friends with zenien here, stop ganging up on her all the time.

Cardplayer, do you really think anyone gives a flying **** about anything you do or say? You're not in the clique, and you never will be. Don't make direct eye contact with us, and do not speak directly to us without expressed permission from two or more of us. And just stop with this "I'm not a fanboy, really!" facade you've been hiding behind these past few weeks, it's become less comically retarded and more depressingly retarded. That Xbox360 games look better than PS3 games, aside from being a way to playfully irritate zenien until she paid me back by crossing the line and insulting the development house of Jesus, was almost entirely a parody of you. That's right, on a forum containing me, WHF, THWIP, and a resurrected EML, you were chosen as the alpha male of retarded xbox fanboys on the forum. And no amount of half assed "erm, I guess sony is ok, see, I said this game looks decent" is going to change that. And don't say "haha i dont know wat ur talk1ng bout guy kthnx bye lol wtf", I don't care.






Now, back to Lionhead Studios being a better development house than anything Sony has to offer and back to Molyneux being blamed for Fable's shortcomings, a game that he had no hand in whatsoever as far as development goes, a game he merely bankrolled with his studio, and back to him being better than any of the heads of any of the studios who developed any of your favorite games.


GEE, "MOM", NICE OF YOU TO SHOW UP FOR AWHILE.... AGAIN. I MIGHT BE MORE RECEPTIVE OF THE CHASTISING, IF IT WEREN'T COMING FROM A BI-POLAR BASKET-CASE, WHO CAN'T CAN'T MANAGE TO STAY OUT OF "JAIL" LONG ENOUGH TO RE-ESTABLISH YOUR NEW "IDENTITY". :o

SERIOUSLY, 'DRT'.....THIS SORT OF ARGUMENT HAS TO HAPPEN, FROM TIME TO TIME, JUST TO CLEAR THE AIR AND VENT A LITTLE; IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. 'ZENIEN' COULD'VE PUT ME ON IGNORE, AT ANY POINT, OVER "THE PAST 2 YEARS"; BUT DEEP DOWN, SHE LIKES THE SPARRING RITUAL TOO MUCH TO DO SO. EVERY TIME SHE POSTS A THREAD, SHE KNOWS IT'S GOING TO BE MET WITH TROLLING AND COMPLAINING.....BUT SHE DOES IT ANYWAY. LIKEWISE, I UNDERSTAND THAT ANY THREAD I POST, IS GOING TO BE MET WITH NEGATIVITY AND SCRUTINY FROM HER.......YET I POST THEM ANYWAY. IT'S ALL PART OF THE FUN OF BEING IN THIS VIRTUAL COMMUNITY. :up:

[DrugDealer]

Goddamnit stop calling me a damn basket case, I'm not insane :mad:

[THWIP*]

Goddamnit stop calling me a damn basket case, I'm not insane :mad:


THE TRUTH HURTS; FACE IT.....YOU NEED PROZAC. :(

[DrugDealer]

No, I'm not depressed at ALL anymore, prom changed everything, I'm actually TOO happy now, I need anti prozac, I've spent the last few days talking to gamera/zenien/whf on IM programs like a giggling school girl :D:D

[WhatsHisFace]

He really is. He's Tom Cruise on Oprah.

And crack. :(

[THWIP*]

No, I'm not depressed at ALL anymore, prom changed everything, I'm actually TOO happy now, I need anti prozac, I've spent the last few days talking to gamera/zenien/whf on IM programs like a giggling school girl :D:D


SO.....AFTER ALL OF THE LIES ABOUT YOUR SEXUAL PROWESS, YOU FINALLY DID GET LAID, FOR REAL? I'M TRULY HAPPY FOR YOU. :o:up: :p

[WhatsHisFace]

I'm going to live and die a virgin.

[THWIP*]

He really is. He's Tom Cruise on Oprah.

And crack. :(


I THINK HE'S MORE LIKE TOM CRUISE IN OPRAH'S "CRACK". I CAN PRACTICALLY HEAR HIS DESPERATE CRIES FOR HELP. :( :O

[WhatsHisFace]

I THINK HE'S MORE LIKE TOM CRUISE IN OPRAH'S "CRACK". I CAN PRACTICALLY HEAR HIS DESPERATE CRIES FOR HELP. :( :O
ROFAMOLAMO!!!! :eek: :D

I haven't laughed all day. Thanks.

[DrugDealer]

SO.....AFTER ALL OF THE LIES ABOUT YOUR SEXUAL PROWESS, YOU FINALLY DID GET LAID, FOR REAL? I'M TRULY HAPPY FOR YOU. :o:up: :p
No, after me telling the truth about being able to get a girl off, something that inanimate objects can accomplish (but not Riz), I felt better than an orgasm, for like, five hours, and then for several days afterwards, and am now too happy to express. Your jabs shan't harm me :D:D:D

[WhatsHisFace]

He's walking on sunshine.

[THWIP*]

No, after me telling the truth about being able to get a girl off, something that inanimate objects can accomplish (but not Riz), I felt better than an orgasm, for like, five hours, and then for several days afterwards, and am now too happy to express. Your jabs shan't harm me :D:D:D


YEAH, YEAH.....YOU'RE ON "CLOUD 9" NOW, BUT WHEN YOU FALL OFF.........AND YOU WILL FALL.........YOU'RE GONNA BUST YOUR ASS, AND DAMAGE THAT FOOLISH PRIDE. :down:o YOU WERE MUCH BETTER OFF WITH THE MANIC DEPRESSION. :(

[DrugDealer]

No no no, you have it all wrong, I'll never fall off. This is the best I've ever felt about anything in my whole life, and it only ever gets better every day, it's great. I've never been so undepressed, I don't even want to so much as slouch my shoulders. oh man :D

[THWIP*]

No no no, you have it all wrong, I'll never fall off. This is the best I've ever felt about anything in my whole life, and it only ever gets better every day, it's great. I've never been so undepressed, I don't even want to so much as slouch my shoulders. oh man :D


STOP GRINNING LIKE THE CHESHIRE CAT.......YOUR CHEEKS WILL FREEZE THAT WAY, AND YOU'LL NEVER BE ABLE KISS A GIRL AGAIN. :down


I'M JUST MESSING WITH YA ANYWAY, MAN. IF YOU'RE TRULY HAPPY, THEN I'M HAPPY FOR YOU. ;) I HOPE WHAT YOU'RE FEELING NOW, LASTS, AND TAKES YOU TO A BETTER PLACE IN LIFE. :up:

[WhatsHisFace]

He's right man. I've been on cloud nine too. It's a very short ride. I was in hell for months after that ended.

[DrugDealer]

Hah, you just don't understand WHF, this is totally different :D

[WhatsHisFace]

I understand completely. You think things are starting to look up because you're almost at the top of the hole. But the genius of the hole is that no matter how high you get, you're just one step away from falling all the way back down.

[DrugDealer]

Haha, no WHF, no no no no no. Talk to gamera or something, he'll straighten you out, taking his advice is the best thing I ever did, I'm happier than ever now. It's not a hole, it's a little ditch that you volunteer to stand in.

[THWIP*]

Haha, no WHF, no no no no no. Talk to gamera or something, he'll straighten you out, taking his advice is the best thing I ever did, I'm happier than ever now. It's not a hole, it's a little ditch that you volunteer to stand in.


EVERYTHING IMPORTANT THAT 'GAMMY' KNOWS ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS, HE LEARNED FROM MOI. :o:up:

:p

[WhatsHisFace]

I'm sorry, but Gamera never actually dealt with rejection. The worst thing on his conscience is how he had sex with his cousin. And I took everyone's advice and look where it got me. Alone and angry. But at least I'm not in love anymore. I rode that storm out pretty successfullly.

[DrugDealer]

Well THWIP, teach WHF what you taught Gamera :up:

[WhatsHisFace]

No THWIP*. I don't care about love anymore. I'd rather just donate sperm to continue my fine genetics. I don't need to pay for endless amounts of shoes and hungry mouths along the way. DRT thinks love is great, but he is wrong because we all know that love hurts, even when you're married. Screw everything. Just give me Oblivion: GOTY, Too Human and a league-sized football, thanks.

[THWIP*]

Well THWIP, teach WHF what you taught Gamera :up:


I'VE GOT TO CALL HIM FIRST; I NEED ONE OF THOSE 976 #S OR SOMETHING. :confused: HE'S GONNA BE A MUCH TOUGHER CHALLENGE THOUGH, BECAUSE HE'S SO SEXUALLY CONFUSED. :O
'GAMMY' JUST NEEDED SOMEONE TO TALK TO, AND HELP HIM REFOCUS HIS PRIORITIES AND CONVICTIONS.

[WhatsHisFace]

Gammy is a heathen polygamist. He has no soul.

[THWIP*]

Gammy is a heathen polygamist. He has no soul.


NAH.....HE'S ALL TALK; HE'S PUSSY-WHIPPED........EVEN WITHOUT THE PUSSY. :O

[WhatsHisFace]

You can never really "have" someone once they've had sex. That's what stands out. Every girl remembers her "first". Once she's had that, what else can she do with a guy that will be as important? Nothing. Not even marriage. Marriage changes nothing, except a last name and some tax information. Screw it. It's impossible thanks to MTV and hippies ruining the traditional moral values of America.

[DrugDealer]

So am I, and it's awesome. WHF, just go talk to her, that's all I'm asking, one conversation. I bet you'll come away happier. BTW, I think Lionhead studios is better than every single studio with PS3 projects at the moment.

[WhatsHisFace]

So am I, and it's awesome. WHF, just go talk to her, that's all I'm asking, one conversation. I bet you'll come away happier. BTW, I think Lionhead studios is better than every single studio with PS3 projects at the moment.
You still don't get it. If I talk to her, she wins. When she rejected me, she rejected ALL of me. I'm not her freaking friend anymore no matter what kind of crap she pulls. She doesn't deserve what I give her (I was her only friend worth a damn) if I can't get love from ONE SINGLE person on this goddamn earth.

[THWIP*]

You can never really "have" someone once they've had sex. That's what stands out. Every girl remembers her "first". Once she's had that, what else can she do with a guy that will be as important? Nothing. Not even marriage. Marriage changes nothing, except a last name and some tax information. Screw it. It's impossible thanks to MTV and hippies ruining the traditional moral values of America.


'WHF', I HATE........AND I DO MEAN HATE......TO GO AGAINST MY PRINCIPLES AND START TALKING SERIOUS AND ADULT-LIKE, BUT YOU'VE FORCED MY HAND. :o

THERE IS SOOOO MUCH MORE TO LOVE/MARRIAGE THAN SEX. I KNOW THAT'S INCREDIBLY CLICHE, BUT IT'S TRUE. IN FACT, I'D VENTURE TO SAY THAT THE MOST LOVE-FILLED, SUCCESSFUL MARRIAGES/RELATIONSHIPS, HAVE RELATIVELY MODERATE....TO VERY LITTLE.....SEXUAL ACTIVITY. AS FOR MYSELF (AND I KNOW I'VE MENTIONED IT ON HERE IN THE PAST), I WENT FOR THE FIRST FEW YEARS OF MY MARRIAGE WITH VERY LITTLE TO ZERO SEXUAL ACTIVITY, BECAUSE EMILY WAS STILL HAVING SERIOUS PROBLEMS FROM HER CAR ACCIDENT. IN FACT, UNTIL SHE FINALLY HAD HER FULL HYSTERECTOMY 3 YEARS AGO, SHE RARELY EVEN GOT A FULL NIGHT'S SLEEP, DUE TO THE CHRONIC PAIN. WE DELT WITH MORE IN OUR FIRST 5 YEARS TOGETHER, THAN MOST COUPLES ENDURE IN THEIR ENTIRE MARRIAGE.........AND WE'RE STRONGER FOR IT.
MY POINT IS THOUGH, WE DID IT TOGETHER.......AS WE DO EVERYTHING. SURE, IT'S COOL TO BE ABLE TO "BRAG" THAT MY WIFE AND I PLAY GAMES TOGETHER ON THE COUCH.....BUT THAT'S ONLY A SMALL FRACTION OF WHAT OUR LIFE TOGETHER ENTAILS.
I LITERALLY WOULD NOT HAVE A REASON TO LIVE, WITHOUT EMILY, AND SHE'D TELL YOU THE SAME ABOUT ME. I HONESTLY WISH EVERY PERSON ON THIS PLANET, WHO HAD THE DESIRE IN THEIR HEART, COULD HAVE WHAT MY WIFE AND I SHARE.........EVEN WITHOUT THE SEX. :up:




GODDAMMIT, NOW LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO! I WON'T BE ABLE TO TELL A JUVENILE PENIS JOKE FOR A MONTH AFTER THAT. :down:mad:

[WhatsHisFace]

'WHF', I HATE........AND I DO MEAN HATE......TO GO AGAINST MY PRINCIPLES AND START TALKING SERIOUS AND ADULT-LIKE, BUT YOU'VE FORCED MY HAND. :o

You can edit this part out.

GODDAMMIT, NOW LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO! I WON'T BE ABLE TO TELL A JUVENILE PENIS JOKE FOR A MONTH AFTER THAT. :down:mad:
You can edit that. It's all BS anyways.

[THWIP*]

You can edit that. It's all BS anyways.


I RESENT THAT, YOU JACKASS. I DO NOT CONSIDER THE LAST 8-1/2 YEARS OF MY MARRIED LIFE TO BE "BS". :down:mad:

[WhatsHisFace]

Lionhead rules.

[DrugDealer]

Love rules more.

[THWIP*]

Lionhead rules.

DON'T TRY TO GET BACK ON TOPIC, YOU CHICKENSHlT BASTARD. :mad:

[WhatsHisFace]

THWIP*, "morals in America" turned out to be bull****. I know you're happy in your marriage. Maybe you will be forever, maybe not. Imagine how you'd feel if something went wrong or you found out something you didn't want to know, and it changed everything.

What kind of people were you before you were married? I doubt both of you were angels, but if one was, that's unfair to the other. So where does that leave you? I don't know how to illustrate this without making this highly offensive and personal, so I'll just kind of leave it at this and hope you understand what I'm getting at.

[Horrorfan]

'WHF', I HATE........AND I DO MEAN HATE......TO GO AGAINST MY PRINCIPLES AND START TALKING SERIOUS AND ADULT-LIKE, BUT YOU'VE FORCED MY HAND. :o

THERE IS SOOOO MUCH MORE TO LOVE/MARRIAGE THAN SEX. I KNOW THAT'S INCREDIBLY CLICHE, BUT IT'S TRUE. IN FACT, I'D VENTURE TO SAY THAT THE MOST LOVE-FILLED, SUCCESSFUL MARRIAGES/RELATIONSHIPS, HAVE RELATIVELY MODERATE....TO VERY LITTLE.....SEXUAL ACTIVITY. AS FOR MYSELF (AND I KNOW I'VE MENTIONED IT ON HERE IN THE PAST), I WENT FOR THE FIRST FEW YEARS OF MY MARRIAGE WITH VERY LITTLE TO ZERO SEXUAL ACTIVITY, BECAUSE EMILY WAS STILL HAVING SERIOUS PROBLEMS FROM HER CAR ACCIDENT. IN FACT, UNTIL SHE FINALLY HAD HER FULL HYSTERECTOMY 3 YEARS AGO, SHE RARELY EVEN GOT A FULL NIGHT'S SLEEP, DUE TO THE CHRONIC PAIN. WE DELT WITH MORE IN OUR FIRST 5 YEARS TOGETHER, THAN MOST COUPLES ENDURE IN THEIR ENTIRE MARRIAGE.........AND WE'RE STRONGER FOR IT.
MY POINT IS THOUGH, WE DID IT TOGETHER.......AS WE DO EVERYTHING. SURE, IT'S COOL TO BE ABLE TO "BRAG" THAT MY WIFE AND I PLAY GAMES TOGETHER ON THE COUCH.....BUT THAT'S ONLY A SMALL FRACTION OF WHAT OUR LIFE TOGETHER ENTAILS.
I LITERALLY WOULD NOT HAVE A REASON TO LIVE, WITHOUT EMILY, AND SHE'D TELL YOU THE SAME ABOUT ME. I HONESTLY WISH EVERY PERSON ON THIS PLANET, WHO HAD THE DESIRE IN THEIR HEART, COULD HAVE WHAT MY WIFE AND I SHARE.........EVEN WITHOUT THE SEX. :up:




GODDAMMIT, NOW LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO! I WON'T BE ABLE TO TELL A JUVENILE PENIS JOKE FOR A MONTH AFTER THAT. :down:mad:


That was actually a great post. Who knew you had a softer side?

[블라스]

I did not have sex with my cousin :(

[Zenien]

Gamera had sex with his cousin:(

[블라스]

Wait....no!

:(

[DrugDealer]

No, relax guys, it was ok, it was just a 13 year old kid that he also gave the sex talk to, everything's fine here folks.

[블라스]

14.

[DrugDealer]

Oh, well then, I guess that ruins my post :(

[블라스]

A bit?

[DrugDealer]

No, totally, it doesn't work if I have to go back and edit it, it's lost :(

[블라스]

I'm sorry?

[DrugDealer]

Gamera you made the thread even more awkward than the flame war:down:o


So, anyways. Lionhead - Is it better than all of Sony's development teams, or are all of it's games better than all of Sony's games? Debate.

[THWIP*]

That was actually a great post. Who knew you had a softer side?


SEVERAL PEOPLE ON 'THE HYPE', ACTUALLY. I REALLY DON'T LIKE TO EXPOSE THAT PART OF ME IN PUBLIC THOUGH. :o

BTW, I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO YOU ARE. 'PPP'? :confused:

[WhatsHisFace]

Gamera you made the thread even more awkward than the flame war:down:o


So, anyways. Lionhead - Is it better than all of Sony's development teams, or are all of it's games better than all of Sony's games? Debate.
I'd actually say both.

[Phaser]

Seriously though, if you honestly want to critisize someone who actually latches on, look at phaser.

What was it, a couple of posts in two threads in one freakin' day? As opposed to you making "I told you so" threads, replying to posts days later and making a memorabilia out of every little insignificant moment on the Hype?

...but I'd like to legitimately talk about things once in a while, without having to talk to Phaser.

I need to meet more people that are so damn terrified of "personal attacks" on their "reading comprehension" as if it would somehow annihilate their precarious self-esteem yet once again. :rolleyes:

Yes, I'm talking about you.

[DrugDealer]

I'd actually say both.
Yeah, I think I agree.



LIONHEAD IS BETTER THAN NAUGHTY DOG!

[Zenien]

What was it, a couple of posts in two threads in one freakin' day? As opposed to you making "I told you so" threads, replying to posts days later and making a memorabilia out of every little insignificant moment on the Hype?



I need to meet more people that are so damn terrified of "personal attacks" on their "reading comprehension" as if it would somehow annihilate their precarious self-esteem yet once again. :rolleyes:

Yes, I'm talking about you.

Keep trying Phaser. :up:http://www.neogaf.com/forum/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[DrugDealer]

Phaser is a terrorist.

[Phaser]

Keep trying Phaser. :up:http://www.neogaf.com/forum/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Keep failing, Zenien. :down::)

[Phaser]

Phaser is a terrorist.

Since when are Indians even stereotyped as terrorists? :confused:

[DrugDealer]

Since they decided to wear towels on their heads, and become terrorists.

[Phaser]

Since they decided to wear towels on their heads, and become terrorists.

http://in.yimg.com/xp/reuters_ids_new/20050717/17/3477125314.jpg

Omg teH ter0rist!

[DrugDealer]

That guy looks like he hates our freedoms.

[Phaser]

That guy looks like he hates our freedoms.

So does his newest buddy. :up:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/07/images/20050718-1_d-0262-515h.jpg

[DrugDealer]

So what building is your group planning to attack next?

[Phaser]

So what building is your group planning to attack next?

Actually we're going to raid the nearest bakery, take the cashier hostage and threaten to chop his head off if our chapatis aren't released from their prisons (infidels like to call them ovens).

Indian terrorists live below poverty line. :(

[DrugDealer]

The arabs do it better than you guys :(

[Phaser]

The arabs do it better than you guys :(

Yeah well, if we had oil money, we'd make great terrorists too! :mad:

[DrugDealer]

At least you have a monopoly on tech support.

[Phaser]

At least you have a monopoly on tech support.

We are being exploited. (http://www.illwillpress.com/tech.html) :(

[The Trainman]

I'm going to live and die a virgin.

Join the club, WHF. :(

[THWIP*]

Join the club, WHF. :(


IF YOU TWO WILL PAY FOR A MOTEL ROOM, I'LL PAY FOR A HOOKER........OR YOU CAN F*** EACH OTHER, AND SAVE ME $$. :O:up:

[Zenien]

...that's...just...great...

[DrugDealer]

Does canada even have hookers?

[XwolverineX]

Does canada even have hookers?


Yes! :mad:

[WhatsHisFace]

Canada has sick wards, which their evil government allows people to take advantage of. The Prime Minister was quoted as saying "They're going to die soon anyways".

[The Trainman]

IF YOU TWO WILL PAY FOR A MOTEL ROOM, I'LL PAY FOR A HOOKER........OR YOU CAN F*** EACH OTHER, AND SAVE ME $$. :O:up:

Hookers are nasty. I would make them wash their vagina, on their kness, throw some water on their back, fold a towel, go to answer the door, let another hooker come in to my house, call her Sabrina, make her sit down on the couch with the other one (who has recently finished bathing), talk about Phil Collins and what I do for a living, go to the bedroom, tell Sabrina to get undressed and dance in the corner like a reject, ask the other one to lay down on the bed while I make Sabrina eat the other one's ******* and then... we get it on... as I film the whole "ordeal" and watch myself in the mirror. When it's over, we'll take a short nap and if one of them touches my watch, I'll dissect them and eat some of their brain.

So, yeah, thanks for the offer THWIP* but I'd rather stick to virginity... for now. ;) :O

[THWIP*]

Hookers are nasty. I would make them wash their vagina, on their kness, throw some water on their back, fold a towel, go to answer the door, let another hooker come in to my house, call her Sabrina, make her sit down on the couch with the other one (who has recently finished bathing), talk about Phil Collins and what I do for a living, go to the bedroom, tell Sabrina to get undressed and dance in the corner like a reject, ask the other one to lay down on the bed while I make Sabrina eat the other one's ******* and then... we get it on... as I film the whole "ordeal" and watch myself in the mirror. When it's over, we'll take a short nap and if one of them touches my watch, I'll dissect them and eat some of their brain.

So, yeah, thanks for the offer THWIP* but I'd rather stick to virginity... for now. ;) :O


O.K.......SO THE HOOKER'S A BAD IDEA. :confused:


YOU CAN STILL GO "BROKEBACK" WITH 'WHF' THOUGH. :up:

[TheCardPlayer]

Hookers are nasty. I would make them wash their vagina, on their kness, throw some water on their back, fold a towel, go to answer the door, let another hooker come in to my house, call her Sabrina, make her sit down on the couch with the other one (who has recently finished bathing), talk about Phil Collins and what I do for a living, go to the bedroom, tell Sabrina to get undressed and dance in the corner like a reject, ask the other one to lay down on the bed while I make Sabrina eat the other one's ******* and then... we get it on... as I film the whole "ordeal" and watch myself in the mirror. When it's over, we'll take a short nap and if one of them touches my watch, I'll dissect them and eat some of their brain.

So, yeah, thanks for the offer THWIP* but I'd rather stick to virginity... for now. ;) :OJean Reno > Christian Bale.

Admit it!

[The Trainman]

O.K.......SO THE HOOKER'S A BAD IDEA. :confused:


YOU CAN STILL GO "BROKEBACK" WITH 'WHF' THOUGH. :up:

I'll think about it.

[WhatsHisFace]

Jean Reno > Christian Bale.

Admit it!
Christian Bale > Barney > Jean Reno

[XwolverineX]

Christian Bale > Barney > Jean Reno


Wolverine > All else.

[WhatsHisFace]

Wolverine > All else.
Tom Jane > Wolverine.

[XwolverineX]

Tom Jane > Wolverine.


Kingdom Hearts > WHF

[WhatsHisFace]

WHF > SHH! > Crap > Square Enix > Kingdom Hearts

[블라스]

Monica Bellucci > Batman > Rest of the universe > Buffy > Hostel

[Horrorfan]

Marvel> AIDS> DC> Metal Gear Solid