Why, Raimi? Why?

[tonytr1687]

Well with both Stan Lee and Raimi's brother basically confirming Venom, I had to ask...why did Raimi have go to and ruin a good thing? Sure SM3 could still turn out great but its really not the direction the franchise should have taken after the second film. I mean why, with 3 more films after this one, do they have to rush Venom and cram him in with two other villians, one of which (GG2) is a mega-villian in his own right? Or by squishing Venom into this one, they run the chance of overshadowing Harry's role and ruining the Goblin legacy Raimi had set up so perfectly in 2. It seemed so obvious: Harry promises revenge in SM1, Harry finds the Goblin gear in SM2, Raimi says he's not a fan of Venom...how did this happen? And dont get me wrong I love Venom as a character too and thats why I think he be should held off on. Bringing him in this early and along with two other villians is not only too much, but a disservice to not only GG2 but Venom himself, unless they're merely setting him up for SM4. But with the recent comments from certain ppl that doesnt look the case and it sounds like Venom will appear just for the final battle and thats it. A real shame, I say.

[Joker]

Well I'll be damned,you made a negative remark about Raimi's decisions on these movies.And a darned good one too.My respect for you has just risen ;)

And I agree completely.Waaaaaaaaaaay too early for Venom,and I especially dislike his choice of actor for the part too.One of many disappointments to come me thinks.

[sag002]

Venom is a fan-favourite villain, and everyone was saying that he'd be in SM3, and if Raimi dissapointed us...well, he'd be in BIG trouble. Agree with wrong actor tho.

[tonytr1687]

Venom is a fan-favourite villain, and everyone was saying that he'd be in SM3, and if Raimi dissapointed us...well, he'd be in BIG trouble. Agree with wrong actor tho.

That's why I blame some of the idiotic fans on this board and their annoying impatience when it comes to Venom. They're making six friggin' movies! There's plenty of time to include Venom in the future...but noooo. They're putting too many eggs in one basket with this one, and risk blowing their load before the franchise has even peaked. Where can you go after Venom? The only thing that can top him are Carnage and the Sinister Six and that would only equal five movies.

[tonytr1687]

Well I'll be damned,you made a negative remark about Raimi's decisions on these movies.And a darned good one too.My respect for you has just risen ;)

And I agree completely.Waaaaaaaaaaay too early for Venom,and I especially dislike his choice of actor for the part too.One of many disappointments to come me thinks.

While I loved the first two films, I'll admit when there's a decision I dont like. Raimi hasnt disappointed me...until now. I am willing to give Topher a chance, but I hoped he would only be plain ole Brock in this one. My hopes have been dashed.

[Truthteller]

I still want to see The Lizard dammit.

Agreed. Venom could wait.

[PWN3R]

I still want to see The Lizard dammit.



I totally would pick him over Sandman or Venom any day. :(

[SsM]

That's why I blame some of the idiotic fans on this board and their annoying impatience when it comes to Venom. They're making six friggin' movies! There's plenty of time to include Venom in the future...but noooo. They're putting too many eggs in one basket with this one, and risk blowing their load before the franchise has even peaked. Where can you go after Venom? The only thing that can top him are Carnage and the Sinister Six and that would only equal five movies. exactly.. If venom is gunna be in the movies... He shouldnt have a bit part he should have a movie dedicated to him alone as the villain... I dont LOVE venom but I like him... Carnage on the other hand.. I dont want carnage in any big screen adaptation...

[tonytr1687]

exactly.. If venom is gunna be in the movies... He shouldnt have a bit part he should have a movie dedicated to him alone as the villain... I dont LOVE venom but I like him... Carnage on the other hand.. I dont want carnage in any big screen adaptation...

Well yeah maybe I exaggerated, I dont love Venom but I like him and believe that along with GG and Ock he is one of the few villians who should have a movie all to himself. About Carnage, yeah he kinda sucked in the comics but if they changed him a little and gave him more depth (I myself have some ideas on how to do this) he could be an awesome villian on film.

[Spencer9]

I think if Venom fights and dies in 3, that Lizard will be the villain for 4. I agree with you they are rushing Venom, I like his character, but I like Harry more. He is my fav character and Venom better not overshadow him in this movie. Harry killing or help killing Venom would be awesome to see. But anyway Lizard should be in 4 if Venom is in 3. I would have Venom be the very last villain if I were making these movies, cuz I don't care for Carnage.

[Nebins]

I'm still on the fence about Venom. I hear one idea and I think Venom will be great then I hear another idea and don't want to see him. I think I'm going to hold off any official possitions until I see a picture or some official confirmation.

[The Green Goblin]

I mean why, with 3 more films after this one, do they have to rush Venom and cram him in with two other villians, one of which (GG2) is a mega-villian in his own right?
I think he be should held off on. Bringing him in this early and along with two other villians is not only too much, but a disservice to not only GG2 but Venom himself,


Fanboy "demand" + Studio pressure aka "The be careful what you wish for department".


I still want to see The Lizard dammit.



Me too. :( ... TRUTHTELLER! :eek:

[CConn]

How about we wait until the movie's actually out before we start damning Raimi to hell?

I mean we waited years before we did anything about Hitler's expansionist and illegal activities, and look what came of that.

...okay, maybe that wasn't such a good example.

[SpiderB]

I'm still on the fence about Venom. I hear one idea and I think Venom will be great then I hear another idea and don't want to see him. I think I'm going to hold off any official possitions until I see a picture or some official confirmation.

I don't think it was totally Raimi's decision to use Venom. I have a strong feeling the bosses at Sony pushed him to do it. Raimi loves Spider-Man and is passionate about the story he's telling. We know that. And we know he's not a big fan of Venom. But the bottom line is, Sony doesn't give a flip about respecting the character and the story of Spider-Man. They only want to make as much money as they can, and they couldn't ignore all the fanboys screaming for Venom. They knew that was a sign of potential huge $$$. I'm interested to see how it turns out, but honestly I was hoping they'd stick with the more believable and less supernatural villains for the movies.

[tonytr1687]

How about we wait until the movie's actually out before we start damning Raimi to hell?

I mean we waited years before we did anything about Hitler's expansionist and illegal activities, and look what came of that.

...okay, maybe that wasn't such a good example.

Hey I'm not damning him to hell, I'm just saying I'm disappointed. And its actually the first time.

[Abaddon]

Well if it helps,we may not even see Venom in the film.

[christpunchers]

Yeah I also think that Sony / Marvel were the ones who pushed Raimi to do this. Raimi probably thought about it this way, either he did it to their outline or they'll swap him for some other director but Raimi wanted to make the best out of the situation, even if it means going off an angle and including Venom into it. Personally I dont want Venom in this movie, perhaps in the future but SM3 is definetly not a good place to just throw in a character like this, Venom is way too out of wack for the semi-realistic world that SM1 and SM2 established. I mean its about the first two movies were really about Peter Parker and the Osborn legacy, throwing in a black suit (i hope they wont have a "voice" the suit, that would be wayyyy too much) and sandman AND eddie brock?.... As far as I know, Raimi said "Venom is for squares" back in an interview when SM2 was about to be released, to have the whole thing go 180, points to me, that Raimi was not the one who chose to use Venom, if he is indeed in this one.

[50cent]

venom shoulda been later...but...no complaints cuz i love venom

[Spawn187]

I totally agree they should have planted seeds for venom in sm4 and have him in sm 5 or even 6 its too early IMO. To have him in this film..:down :(

[tonytr1687]

Well if it helps,we may not even see Venom in the film.

I used to think that, but the comments from Stan Lee and Ted Raimi have led me to believe otherwise. I just wanted the first trilogy to focus on the Goblin legacy and the second trilogy to focus on the symbiotes. That way you sorta seperate the semi-realism of the first three films from the more unrealistic alien stuff in the second three and it doesnt feel out of whack.

[iminsane31]

Venom or no Venom.

That is the question.

I dont know what to think anymore.

I wonder what the reaction of fans would be if indeed venom wasnt in the movie specially if eddie brock isnt in either.

Will shall see.

With ever new speculation, really nothing is really confirmed.

Just more questions and speculation.

[Abaddon]

I'm sure Brock is in it,but we may only see a glimpse of Venom,if anything

[SsM]

Well yeah maybe I exaggerated, I dont love Venom but I like him and believe that along with GG and Ock he is one of the few villians who should have a movie all to himself. About Carnage, yeah he kinda sucked in the comics but if they changed him a little and gave him more depth (I myself have some ideas on how to do this) he could be an awesome villian on film. I dont really see how you can give a guy like carnage depth or make him sympathetic... I mean.. In the comics you can clearly see they try to give him character depth by explaining his abusive father etc... but thats so cliche :x

[Symbiotica]

About Carnage, yeah he kinda sucked in the comics but if they changed him a little and gave him more depth (I myself have some ideas on how to do this) he could be an awesome villian on film.

Are you not a Grace/Venom "cheerleader"? I thought I remembered you being one... If so, I think I'll pass on your ideas of how best to flesh out Carnage, thanks. :)

As a serious, knowledgable and longtime Carnage fan the only request I can make is this: Sony/Raimi/Marvel, please stick to destroying Venom onscreen, and leave Carnage out of the equation. You've got your little mitts on the one, leave the other alone.

Everyone can say what they want about "six films," cramming this many characters and plotlines into one film just screams "LAST HOORAH!" to me, as in, better get 'em in now... because this is our last chance. Odd that they would do that, is it not? If they really have 6 more films lined up.

[Advanced Dark]

No matter what happens, no matter what character was picked, no matter who the actor or director is...there's always freaking complaining.

[tonytr1687]

I dont really see how you can give a guy like carnage depth or make him sympathetic... I mean.. In the comics you can clearly see they try to give him character depth by explaining his abusive father etc... but thats so cliche :x

I didnt say make his character sympathetic, I just said give him depth.

[tonytr1687]

Are you not a Grace/Venom "cheerleader"? I thought I remembered you being one... If so, I think I'll pass on your ideas of how best to flesh out Carnage, thanks. :)

As a serious, knowledgable and longtime Carnage fan the only request I can make is this: Sony/Raimi/Marvel, please stick to destroying Venom onscreen, and leave Carnage out of the equation. You've got your little mitts on the one, leave the other alone.

Everyone can say what they want about "six films," cramming this many characters and plotlines into one film just screams "LAST HOORAH!" to me, as in, better get 'em in now... because this is our last chance. Odd that they would do that, is it not? If they really have 6 more films lined up.

Umm...you dont even know what my ideas are. You wouldnt want Carnage to have depth? Without some tweaking of that sort he would be kinda shallow compared to other villians. I'm not exactly a championer of Grace as Brock (especially since I dont want Brock yet in the first place) but he's a good actor and I'll give him a chance. Anyone who's only seen him in That 70's Show really shouldnt talk. But yeah you're right they may have changed their minds and decided to only have 3 films, which in that case I would say they made another crappy decision.

[Robin91939]

Man, I wanted:

Movie 1: Green Goblin
Movie 2: Doc Ock
Movie 3: Shocker, Sandman, Green Goblin II (Main)
Movie 4: Lizard, Kraven (Kraven and Spider-man race to get the Lizard first) Spider-man Discovers the Black suit at the end.
Movie 5: Electro, Kingpin (If the Movie rights to Kingpin could be bought out by then, because if Daredevil doesn't have a sequel by then, they shouldn't be hard for Soney to get.) Spidey uses the suit to beat Electro, and employs the help of a healed Conners to get it off.
Movie 6: Venom

-R

[tonytr1687]

Man, I wanted:

Movie 1: Green Goblin
Movie 2: Doc Ock
Movie 3: Shocker, Sandman, Green Goblin II (Main)
Movie 4: Lizard, Kraven (Kraven and Spider-man race to get the Lizard first) Spider-man Discovers the Black suit at the end.
Movie 5: Electro, Kingpin (If the Movie rights to Kingpin could be bought out by then, because if Daredevil doesn't have a sequel by then, they shouldn't be hard for Soney to get.) Spidey uses the suit to beat Electro, and employs the help of a healed Conners to get it off.
Movie 6: Venom

-R

I wanted:

SM1 - GG
SM2 - Doc Ock
SM3 - GG2 and Sandman
SM4 - Kraven and Lizard
SM5 - Venom
SM6 - Carnage

OR

SM5 - Venom and Carnage
SM6 - Sinister Six

[tw9876z]

I always imagined that Venom would be in the last movie, with some build up, and the horrors that he would releash onto parker would make him retire as spiderman.

I wanted:
SM1: Lizard
SM2: GG1
SM3: Doc Ock
SM4: GG2, Scorpion (hired and created by harry to stop spiderman) Black Suit appears and is removed after harrys death
SM5: Kraven, Electro, hints of venom (with Kraven hunting audience would think the crazy occurences would be him, Electro other villian since spiderman needs a reason to go out, plus imagine how cool a fight with them in it would be, the lighting and all)
SM6: Vulture (very begining), Venom and that would end the series

[GoldGoblin]

I still want to see The Lizard dammit.

Agreed. Venom could wait.

^Now the Lizard gets to be the main villain in S-M4,and Venom could of got that if the fans would of had some patience,now he won't even be a main villain in S-M3:)

[JamieMadrox]

How about we wait until the movie's actually out before we start damning Raimi to hell?

I mean we waited years before we did anything about Hitler's expansionist and illegal activities, and look what came of that.

...okay, maybe that wasn't such a good example.

Here here. Too many naysayers 'round here.

[tw9876z]

How about we wait until the movie's actually out before we start damning Raimi to hell?

I mean we waited years before we did anything about Hitler's expansionist and illegal activities, and look what came of that.

...okay, maybe that wasn't such a good example.

ITS NEVER TOO EARLY. im already pissed about the 09 election. howard stern, i thought he was joking. did it in response to walkens running. damnit

[Nebins]

I'm still not 100% on Venom and not saying I want him in this movie or not, but what would be the lesser of two evils; Venom in this movie with Raimi who (for the most part) will respect the character's origins and not ruin him or wait for a later movie with a different director who will just slap him in the movie and call it a day?

[Spider-Bite]

Carnage, when and if he shows up, doesn't automatically need depth if Venom returns, assuming that in part 3 Venom is only a minor villain.

I don't believe Raimi would bring Venom in if he wasn't absolutely sure he could do it good.

[Spider-Bite]

You know Raimi didn't know there was going to be 3 more movies untill after this movie had been in development for like a year. Originally Sony told him to wrap everything up in this movie. It's possible that Raimi simply chose Venom to make sure we at least got to see him before the franchise ended.
You know with everything Raimi was dealt he did incredible. think about it. you got 3 movies and 3 movies only to tell the best elements from the comics. you need to dazzle non comic fans, dazzle comic fans, and minimize how pissed off moronic fanboys get. You want to at least get the early days in there with Harry, Green Goblin, and Dock OCk. But at the same time, wouldn't it be immoral to do all 3 movies and not let us get a glimpse of Venom on the big screen? Raimi was under the impression that he couldn't have it all, so he simply had to pick and choose, and cut his losses, and rush through part 2 with only two years, and really he probably made the best choices he could. Marvel wanted MJ in there, so Raimi stuck her in there, but he made her into Gwen.

You haters should really be thanking Raimi. You guys are ungrateful, hateful, and disrespectful! Quit acting like spoiled brats. :marv:

[tonytr1687]

You know Raimi didn't know there was going to be 3 more movies untill after this movie had been in development for like a year. Originally Sony told him to wrap everything up in this movie. It's possible that Raimi simply chose Venom to make sure we at least got to see him before the franchise ended.

The haters should chill a little here. We all know this movie is going to at least win a couple awards.

Actually the 6 film plan was announced shortly after SM2, so Raimi has known about it.

[tonytr1687]

I'm still not 100% on Venom and not saying I want him in this movie or not, but what would be the lesser of two evils; Venom in this movie with Raimi who (for the most part) will respect the character's origins and not ruin him or wait for a later movie with a different director who will just slap him in the movie and call it a day?

Well who says they'll get a bad director after 3?

[Spider-Bite]

Actually the 6 film plan was announced shortly after SM2, so Raimi has known about it.

no it wasn't. and pre-production on 3 began before two was even in theatres. I'll prove it in a minute with links.

[tonytr1687]

no it wasn't. and pre-production on 3 began before two was even in theatres. I'll prove it in a minute with links.

True, but it would've began very shortly before SM2's release. So therefore there wasnt much time in between when pre-production began and when Sony made their announcement, meaning Raimi could've easily changed what he was doing. And presumably Raimi would've known about the 6-film plan even before the announcement.

[L0ngsh0t]

i couldn't pick one quote because i would have to quote all of you morons...are you going to start questioning rami now? after what he has done? he has the first big time superhero franchise(i.e. batman, superman, xmen, spiderman, daredevil, hulk) that does not need to be remade, he has the best run franchise since the original star wars, and indiana jones trilogies....say what you want about venom, who gives peter parker and emotional battle to fight with, and should shell out some impressive action....but leave rami alone he will make this movie sweet, and make the story sweet, i have full confidence in his choice as casting topher grace as brock, i disagreed with most all of the major castings originally except dafoe as goblin, and they have all turned out fantastic...why rami why, because he is a brilliant filmmaker thats why

[Spider-Bite]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/featuresnews.php?id=2088

this is raimi on not knowing whether there will be a part 4, back before he even chose the villains for 3.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=2949

that is Raimi upon discovering that there is going to be 6 movies. Notice the villains are chosen by then.

[Spider-Bite]

True, but it would've began very shortly before SM2's release. So therefore there wasnt much time in between when pre-production began and when Sony made their announcement, meaning Raimi could've easily changed what he was doing. And presumably Raimi would've known about the 6-film plan even before the announcement.

It was in pre-production for over a year already. It would have costed millions to change it then, and the movie would end up being released an extra year later. they would have had to start over from scratch with casting, scripts, stories, and pre-production on the villains, costumes, movements, experimental CGI and everything.

[Spider-Bite]

i couldn't pick one quote because i would have to quote all of you morons...are you going to start questioning rami now? after what he has done? he has the first big time superhero franchise(i.e. batman, superman, xmen, spiderman, daredevil, hulk) that does not need to be remade, he has the best run franchise since the original star wars, and indiana jones trilogies....say what you want about venom, who gives peter parker and emotional battle to fight with, and should shell out some impressive action....but leave rami alone he will make this movie sweet, and make the story sweet, i have full confidence in his choice as casting topher grace as brock, i disagreed with most all of the major castings originally except dafoe as goblin, and they have all turned out fantastic...why rami why, because he is a brilliant filmmaker thats why

some of these guys have no concept of how the world works.

[Nebins]

Well who says they'll get a bad director after 3?

I'm not saying it will be a bad director but Sony will probably get the idea that the last three made so much money they could have Spiderman battle a turd and still turn a profit. I think after Raimi leaves the movies will go downhill.

[Spider-Bite]

It's true. Same thing happened with the Batman movies. they knew it would still make profit so they didnt care if they sucked. they knew the name would sell.

the same thing would happen with spider-man. Raimi is the only reason they don't suck, becaue he refuses to let them suck.

[hk_spyke]

Well yeah maybe I exaggerated, I dont love Venom but I like him and believe that along with GG and Ock he is one of the few villians who should have a movie all to himself. About Carnage, yeah he kinda sucked in the comics but if they changed him a little and gave him more depth (I myself have some ideas on how to do this) he could be an awesome villian on film.

if you knew anything about Carnage you would know he has as much depth as any other killer in any other movie.

[Spider-Bite]

if you knew anything about Carnage you would know he has as much depth as any other killer in any other movie.

He's entertaining, but he doesn't have that much depth.

[hk_spyke]

i don't want carnage in a movie cause they would have to tone him down to much and that would make him suck

[hk_spyke]

He's entertaining, but he doesn't have that much depth.

"not much depth" how so? he's not unlike the joker but you don't hear anyone saying the same thing about him.

[Jubba]

they could do something where a bullet goes through venom's symbiote and take a piece with it to a bystander or several and they all start to turn into symbiotes and have one clearly become carnage and then have venom take the symbiote back saying something clever like "we don't like to share" or possibly more clever

[Spider-Bite]

"not much depth" how so? he's not unlike the joker but you don't hear anyone saying the same thing about him.

the Joker had Bats right where he wanted him and spared him, because he enjoys the games. Joker thinks up cool plots and plans to do his evil bidding. Carnage is just strong and fast and likes to kill people with no motivation or plans at all.

[hk_spyke]

the Joker had Bats right where he wanted him and spared him, because he enjoys the games. Joker thinks up cool plots and plans to do his evil bidding. Carnage is just strong and fast and likes to kill people with no motivation or plans at all.

that's the point hence the name "Carnage". makes him more dangerous then any other villain. plus there's lots of histroy to explain why he's the way he is. it's just all over the place in all the comics he's been in. when does the joker ever had batman at his mercy? ever comic i've ever seen has batman beating the living crap out of the joker. "cool plots"? id the joker didn't kill robin 2 and gordon's wife and shoot and put batgirl in a wheelchair he'd suck as a villain. sure he likes the game but it's only cause batman won't kill him that the game goes on. that point is in the comic over and over again.

[Spider-Bite]

dangerous doesn't mean anything. Hulk is dangerous and he sucks. besides he's not the most dangerous.

What history? they never showed any history.

[hk_spyke]

dangerous doesn't mean anything. Hulk is dangerous and he sucks. besides he's not the most dangerous.

What history? they never showed any history.

i don't remember very part in every comic but he did say his mother
molested him somewhere and there's a few things in the maximum carnage story arc, the carnage one shot "it's a wonderful life" and "mind bomb". and i found this qutoe....

"A note on his childhood, Cletus believes that he killed his father, who apparently killed the boy's mother when she tried to attack him, though, being totally insane, he is a bit unclear on the exact details. It is also unclear on Cletus' relationship with his mother, as he seems to have feelings for her, causing him to dig up her grave at the end of Maximum Carnage. He also revealed that he killed his grandmother when he was younger, pushing her down a flight of stairs."

it's there in pieces

[Spider-Bite]

I think Kletus should be kind of like Hannibal before getting the symbiote. same kind of voice and personality and everything.

[Darthkush]

Any of you who seriously think this film series would go to 6 films are seriously deluded. Sony, Raimi, etc. all obviously want to put the most popular Spider-man villains in here before this franchise ends. Will it make enough money to make 6 films? Probably. But will they? Not likely and if they do it will probably be with a new Spider-man actor, new director, etc. and they know we would all prefer to keep all the same cast and crew involved(which ain't gonna happen).

I think they could've had a 4th film but i'm okay with them throwing Venom in 3. Face it people, after GG and Doc Ock, Venom is the third most popular villain and DESERVES to be next especially if this was the last Spider-man film in the series. If they had a 4th one 100 percent confirmed, i would say yes set him up here and make him the main baddie of part 4, but more than likely, there won't be a 4th one at least not with the same cast and crew.

[Cmill216]

Any of you who seriously think this film series would go to 6 films are seriously deluded. Sony, Raimi, etc. all obviously want to put the most popular Spider-man villains in here before this franchise ends. Will it make enough money to make 6 films? Probably. But will they? Not likely and if they do it will probably be with a new Spider-man actor, new director, etc. and they know we would all prefer to keep all the same cast and crew involved(which ain't gonna happen).

I think they could've had a 4th film but i'm okay with them throwing Venom in 3. Face it people, after GG and Doc Ock, Venom is the third most popular villain and DESERVES to be next especially if this was the last Spider-man film in the series. If they had a 4th one 100 percent confirmed, i would say yes set him up here and make him the main baddie of part 4, but more than likely, there won't be a 4th one at least not with the same cast and crew.

That's what I'm thinking. After Doc Ock and GG, where do you go from there? You can't take a step down, especially when there's THAT much money involved and the credibility (from the movie world perspective) at stake. So you play your best hand with three (going all out) and then you walk away white hot, instead of dragging this s*** out over six films. I just can't see them making six films, though.

[GoldGoblin]

After Raimi has three vilains in S-M3(GG2,Sandman,and Venom)it would be a step down to have only one villain in S-M4.Even two would be a step down after that,wouldn't it?

I wonder what he has planned for S-M4,because it sounds like he wants to get the Goblin saga and Venom out of the way so he can do it.

[L0ngsh0t]

spider man 4 is going to be a continuation of the symbiote story and have a similar styled bad guys, where i figure the main antagonists will be keltius cassidy and the carnge(in a venom like role) someone who is actually a evil human being like mysterio(who is rumored that they are setting his story up in 3 with bruce campbell) scorpion(which they could) shocker, chameleon, you know..and then there will be a bad guy with mixed feelings who is trying to fight something like GG2..and that is obviously kurt konners as the lizard, who will be a bad guy then peter/spidey will save him before the end of the movie..etc, etc...then hopefully in 5 introduce more of the insidious six, and by the time you get to spider man 6...what do you know, that works perfectly spiderman 6 he fights the insidious 6

[Cmill216]

Here's the real question about Spider-Man 4:
Will it happen? And if so, when and by whom?

[freelancer]

I still want to see The Lizard dammit.

Agreed. Venom could wait.

Ditto.

[The Lizard]

Any of you who seriously think this film series would go to 6 films are seriously deluded. Sony, Raimi, etc. all obviously want to put the most popular Spider-man villains in here before this franchise ends. Will it make enough money to make 6 films? Probably. But will they? Not likely and if they do it will probably be with a new Spider-man actor, new director, etc. and they know we would all prefer to keep all the same cast and crew involved(which ain't gonna happen).

I think they could've had a 4th film but i'm okay with them throwing Venom in 3. Face it people, after GG and Doc Ock, Venom is the third most popular villain and DESERVES to be next especially if this was the last Spider-man film in the series. If they had a 4th one 100 percent confirmed, i would say yes set him up here and make him the main baddie of part 4, but more than likely, there won't be a 4th one at least not with the same cast and crew.

This is pretty much true IMO. I wish that a fourth Spidey film could have been guaranteed, so that Venom could have been put off until then. However, there are no guarantees in Hollywood. Venom is indeed number three in the top three Spidey villains, and as much as I don't approve of that, it is predictable. :( http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/9483/venom2wz.gif

[faceplant]

who ever said there was going to be three more films?

[Shoemeister]

I don't get you people. As far as I'm concerned, we know nothing more than we did 4 months ago.

Venom is all but "confirmed", yes... but we still have no idea what they're going to do with him, how Eddie Brock will be portrayed, where they're going with his story, how the other characters (particularly Gwen and Harry) will be involved, or if they'll even get to movie 6 for that matter... contractual obligations aside.

Hold your castigation for a better day... when we know much more.

[L0ngsh0t]

are you a moron...you know how harry is gunna be porttrayed he's the ****ing green goblin struggling with the fact that part of him wants to get revenge on spiderman, and the fact that pet is his best friend...gwen stacy is in it becasue, they want to do more spiderman movies, and kirsten dunst dosen't want in..read between the line...mary jane dies, and gwen becomes the new love interest for the next couple movies...the reason they picked venom is in it, because eddie brock has as much depth as any character, i mean, he ****ing almost commits suicide until he becomes venom...everyone on here is way to negative with no just cause

[hk_spyke]

That's what I'm thinking. After Doc Ock and GG, where do you go from there? You can't take a step down, especially when there's THAT much money involved and the credibility (from the movie world perspective) at stake. So you play your best hand with three (going all out) and then you walk away white hot, instead of dragging this s*** out over six films. I just can't see them making six films, though.

sony said they wanted 6 movies like the star wars sega. it worked for star wars it can work for spider-man. god look how many bond movies there are. they should keep the same cast at least. but what happens happens. they will make 6 movies if they can, as long as they don't pull a "Batman and Robin"

[-Z-]

I think this is hilarious, and at the same time i don't get it. Now i know this doesnt pertain to everyone on here, but about 90% of the people on here this time last year were *****in and *****in and complainin that they wanted venom. Every thread i looked in and every post said how they wanted venom in 3 and how he HAD to be in it. Now i'm not sayin everyone, but almost everyone. And now he's in, and everyones pissed? Just except the movie for what it is, its not even out yet you shouldn't be criticizing it already. Just have fun with it and enjoy it for what its worth

[-Z-]

And this is most likely Raimi's last movie (hopefully not) so why wouldn't he want to put as much in as possible, and make it as exciting as he can? can you blame him for wanting to make possibly his last movie his best?

[L0ngsh0t]

i don't think it will be ramis last though, i think if, like he said, if he is still feeling it he will do it...i think it's like this is his, no one esles, and if they where going to do 6 he would want to do all six and not let someone else ruin his legecy

[SsM]

I didnt say make his character sympathetic, I just said give him depth. I added the sympathetic part myself because I've seen people say that he needs to be more sympathetic..

[Symbiotica]

i don't remember very part in every comic but he did say his mother molested him somewhere and there's a few things in the maximum carnage story arc, the carnage one shot "it's a wonderful life" and "mind bomb". and i found this qutoe....

Try reading the actual books in question, instead of relying on some website to back up your claims.... we are never, ever, not even once told ANYWHERE that Kasady was "molested" by his mother.

Was he physically abused by her? Yes. He was not sexually molested, and if you want to post scans backing up your claim, I'd like to see 'em. They would certainly be news to me - and I own practically everything with Carnage in it.

I added the sympathetic part myself because I've seen people say that he needs to be more sympathetic..

Carnage, sympathetic?! [insert long bout of scornful laughter here] That is the funniest thing I've seen out here this week.... Carnage should be sympathetic, someone pass the smelling-salts because I feel a bout of lightheadedness coming on.

BEFORE YOU POST ON A SUBJECT, BE FAMILIAR WITH THE SUBJECT MATTER, HAVE READ A BOOK OR TWO ON THE CHARACTER FIRST... AND TALK SOME SENSE WHEN YOU *DO* POST.

I think Kletus should be kind of like Hannibal before getting the symbiote. same kind of voice and personality and everything.

Luckily, Montell, this is not going to happen so its all moot anyways. But if we want to see Hannibal, we'll ..... uhm... we'll watch a movie with Hannibal Lecter actually IN it. Kasady is nothing like Lecter - not one bit.

As you would know, if you were familiar with the character.

[DV8]

That's why I blame some of the idiotic fans on this board and their annoying impatience when it comes to Venom. They're making six friggin' movies! There's plenty of time to include Venom in the future...but noooo. They're putting too many eggs in one basket with this one, and risk blowing their load before the franchise has even peaked. Where can you go after Venom? The only thing that can top him are Carnage and the Sinister Six and that would only equal five movies.

who? when? was is confirmed that Raimi is doing 3 more? I just haven't heard that, and I was under the impression that the actors were only under contract for 3 . . . . :confused:

[HughJackFan420]

i think they shoul've just stuck to a Venom and Lizard cliffhanger at the end of SM3 and just focus on Sandman and GG2 in SM3. but definetly bring in the symbiote suit.

[Cmill216]

sony said they wanted 6 movies like the star wars sega. it worked for star wars it can work for spider-man. god look how many bond movies there are. they should keep the same cast at least. but what happens happens. they will make 6 movies if they can, as long as they don't pull a "Batman and Robin"

A.) You can't really compare 6 Star Wars films over the course of, what, 30 years to the Spidey films because....well you can't. Two seperate storylines with SW, time periods, yatta yatta...

B.) The Bond films, for the most part, are stand alone films and kept getting pumped out cause they had all the individual books to work with, the films weren't $250 million expensive, and with different eras people could accept casting/director changes.

[Spider-Bite]

part 3 could have been the lizard. think about it. it would totally not be a step down. Remember the Lizard tried to turn the human race into lizards.

Imagine this spider-man has to get to this location to stop Conners from turning all of New York into a bunch of lizards. Conners has created hundreds of huge mutated lizards about the size of a boxer dog. they are fast, agile, they can climb walls, and they can jump high. And they are stopping peter from getting where he needs to be. they are chasing him through New York jumping off of walls and rooftops to get to spider-man. Spider-Man is just swarmed with these things all over his body, as he tries to continue webswinging to get where he needs to be in order to stop Conners from turning all of New York into lizards like himself. the whole time spider-man is trying not to drop the serum to cure conners.

you could bring Ock back. have possibly an awesome fight between him and the lizard and countless lizards. Harry/Green Goblin could have sent Ock to capture the lizard, because he's planning something evil himself.

in the end the only way to shut down the machine which conners built is to self destruct it from the inside killing whoever stops it.
MJ "don't"
PEte "I have to"
MJ "you'll die"
pete "I know"

Pete "i love you good bye"

pete jumps in but while he's falling green goblin pins him up against a wall.
"sleep spider" as he sprays him with the samd gas his father used in the first one.

spider-man lays there unable to move. Harry rips his mask off.

MJ "what are you going to do?"
Harry "what needs to be done"


then Harry makes the sacrifice to stop the machine.

Harry could have been behind the whole thing. He knew the way to defeat spider-man would be to make him kill himself in order to save New York. but in the end he couldn't go through with it.

It's got drama, awesome fights, an emotional pull with spidey fighting his teacher he cares about. a dramatic moment between MJ and pete.

[Shoemeister]

are you a moron...you know how harry is gunna be porttrayed he's the ****ing green goblin struggling with the fact that part of him wants to get revenge on spiderman, and the fact that pet is his best friend...gwen stacy is in it becasue, they want to do more spiderman movies, and kirsten dunst dosen't want in..read between the line...mary jane dies, and gwen becomes the new love interest for the next couple movies...the reason they picked venom is in it, because eddie brock has as much depth as any character, i mean, he ****ing almost commits suicide until he becomes venom...everyone on here is way to negative with no just cause

Like I said... we know nothing more than we did 4 months ago.

[Spider-Bite]

A.) You can't really compare 6 Star Wars films over the course of, what, 30 years to the Spidey films because....well you can't. Two seperate storylines with SW, time periods, yatta yatta...

B.) The Bond films, for the most part, are stand alone films and kept getting pumped out cause they had all the individual books to work with, the films weren't $250 million expensive, and with different eras people could accept casting/director changes.

they have plenty of comic books to work with. The bond movies didn't cost as much to make, but they didn't turn as much profit either.

[Menthol]

Heres what I think. Venom comes in at the end but lives to be the main villain in SM4. Plenty of time to get Sandman and Harry's story in while setting up why Eddie Brock hates spidey. It's over a year till this thing comes out, no need to wine over yet. Raimi never let me down with the first 2. I don't think 3 will be any different. And when Sam's bro and Stan Lee confirmed Venom, they probably meant the alien suit would be introduced. Not actually meaning the full blown character. Raimi has a way of setting up for sequels, it show in Sm and SM2. Like I said earlier he won't disappoint the fans and he'll use Venom as the bridge for the next installment. I PROMISE YOU! Come on folks, they don't call us "True Believers" for nothing.

[Spawn187]

I think this thread went way off topic abit so i will try to bring it back on topic with my post. I think that if venom is indeed in the sm3 ( thats venom not just the sym) It will be a big mistake for the franchise. A character like venom should be on hold for when the franchise is in danger. I think the first two films were stronge enough for them to try out villians like Rhino, Shocker, Scorpion, Lizard, hobgoblin, etc.etc.. And not make the films campy. Then in the event one of them does extreamly bad you can start the venom saga and maybe a venom spin off. not only does this pace give you oppertunity to experiment with other villians but it allows time for cgi technology to develope then you will have the best technological knowledge to bring the ultimate villian to life. And possibly make this franchise the biggest in film history with 9 films......

[Cmill216]

I think this thread went way off topic abit so i will try to bring it back on topic with my post. I think that if venom is indeed in the sm3 ( thats venom not just the sym) It will be a big mistake for the franchise. A character like venom should be on hold for when the franchise is in danger. I think the first two films were stronge enough for them to try out villians like Rhino, Shocker, Scorpion, Lizard, hobgoblin, etc.etc.. And not make the films campy. Then in the event one of them does extreamly bad you can start the venom saga and maybe a venom spin off. not only does this pace give you oppertunity to experiment with other villians but it allows time for cgi technology to develope then you will have the best technological knowledge to bring the ultimate villian to life. And possibly make this franchise the biggest in film history with 9 films......

:confused: Huh????

[Doctor Octopus]

The bond movies didn't cost as much to make, but they didn't turn as much profit either

:rolleyes:

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/series/JamesBond.php

[Spawn187]

:confused: Huh????


Venom. Too cool. Too early to be in movie. Like to see other bad guys first. Sony makey Big mastakey. Why Rami Why no venom now me likey venom later.. is that better :)

[Cmill216]

Venom. Too cool. Too early to be in movie. Like to see other bad guys first. Sony makey Big mastakey. Why Rami Why no venom now me likey venom later.. is that better :)

I know what you said, it just didn't make much sense to me. So they follow the massive critical and financial success of SM1 and SM2 with films that have weaker villains (in terms of characters and, well, "coolness"), but even if one of the movies bombs (which NO ONE would lose there job over :rolleyes: ;) ) they can just simply bounce back with Venom? I just don't see any logic in that. Venom appeared in the 90s toon BEFORE GG, oddly enough, and right after Doc Ock. Coupling him with Sandman and GG2? Don't know if I like THAT (which might be the case). But him appearing by the third film? I don't see anything wrong with that, really. Especially if we aren't guaranteed six films.

[Spawn187]

I know what you said, it just didn't make much sense to me. So they follow the massive critical and financial success of SM1 and SM2 with films that have weaker villains (in terms of characters and, well, "coolness"), but even if one of the movies bombs (which NO ONE would lose there job over :rolleyes: ;) ) they can just simply bounce back with Venom? I just don't see any logic in that. Venom appeared in the 90s toon BEFORE GG, oddly enough, and right after Doc Ock. Coupling him with Sandman and GG2? Don't know if I like THAT (which might be the case). But him appearing by the third film? I don't see anything wrong with that, really. Especially if we aren't guaranteed six films.


I think you still not getting my point. The other villians i mention are not bad villians and if done right can add to the franchise. My point is every one knows venom is one of the best villians ever period. what happens after he is in a film. is everone going to run to see rhino or shocker No cus they got what they wanted and regardless how well a rhino movie maybe fans will always say it wasnt better than the film with venom in it. So I say why rami why didnt you hold off and give some of the other villians a chance. i hope that helps you understand my view.

Big up to kingston, and pass the cheese fries

[Cmill216]

I think you still not getting my point. The other villians i mention are not bad villians and if done right can add to the franchise. My point is every one knows venom is one of the best villians ever period. what happens after he is in a film. is everone going to run to see rhino or shocker No cus they got what they wanted and regardless how well a rhino movie maybe fans will always say it wasnt better than the film with venom in it. So I say why rami why didnt you hold off and give some of the other villians a chance. i hope that helps you understand my view.

No, I get you loud and clear. They'd have to really come up with SERIOUSLY knockout stories, though, with villains like Mysterio and Electro, if they want to even hold a candle to the emotional grip of the GG story from SM1 and the sheer bada$$ness of the Doc in SM2.

[Spawn187]

No, I get you loud and clear. They'd have to really come up with SERIOUSLY knockout stories, though, with villains like Mysterio and Electro, if they want to even hold a candle to the emotional grip of the GG story from SM1 and the sheer bada$$ness of the Doc in SM2.



I think they can especially with a characters like mysterio and chameleon I feel the can approach the films in a M.Night shamalanalanana way given the movies more of a serious mature tone. Keep the ppl guessing what the Fudge is going on. or something.

[Spider-Bite]

:rolleyes:

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/series/JamesBond.php

Not a single one of those made as much money as either of the spider-man movies. Of course the combined totals equal more for bond, but he's got a very large headstart.

[spideydave]

Hey guys keep in mind Raimi is the same dude that kept the Organics thing the same dude who made Doc Ock be controlled by the tentacles but guess what he made it all work. So I am curious to see how he will make this film work? Let's try and be positive my friends. :up: Yes I hate the new suit then again I hated the organics but looked how it worked out in the end. Sam has never failed us before. Plus you all forget that the main screenwriter is Alvin Sargent. The man who wrote some of the best dialogue in the past 2 films. He's writing the WHOLE script. so dont lose faith. Just wait until May 2007.:)

[Spawn187]

Hey guys keep in mind Raimi is the same dude that kept the Organics thing the same dude who made Doc Ock be controlled by the tentacles but guess what he made it all work. So I am curious to see how he will make this film work? Let's try and be positive my friends. :up: Yes I hate the new suit then again I hated the organics but looked how it worked out in the end. Sam has never failed us before. Plus you all forget that the main screenwriter is Alvin Sargent. The man who wrote some of the best dialogue in the past 2 films. He's writing the WHOLE script. so dont lose faith. Just wait until May 2007.:)



Good point. But arent you a little worried that after venom the intrest in spidey films will go down.

[GoldGoblin]

Good point. But arent you a little worried that after venom the intrest in spidey films will go down.

^No,we have the Lizard.

[olsen103]

blah, this must be the millionth anti-venom thread this place has had..

First off, Spidey 2 wasnt all that great of a movie..Campy, chessy at times, and retarded ending ect.So i dont see why u guys have so much anger towards a SMALL Venom appearance..Its not like hes going to be the main villian.Everyone wanted Sandman and we got sandman, but now ppl ****** about the stupid secondary villian who might only be in the movie for like 15 min?

If it sucks then it sucks, if its great then its great..Just PLEASE wait for the freaking movie already..These type of threads has been done to death.

[Warhammer]

Hey guys keep in mind Raimi is the same dude that kept the Organics thing the same dude who made Doc Ock be controlled by the tentacles but guess what he made it all work. So I am curious to see how he will make this film work? Let's try and be positive my friends. :up: Yes I hate the new suit then again I hated the organics but looked how it worked out in the end. Sam has never failed us before. Plus you all forget that the main screenwriter is Alvin Sargent. The man who wrote some of the best dialogue in the past 2 films. He's writing the WHOLE script. so dont lose faith. Just wait until May 2007.:)

I agree.
I would hate it if Venom ended up in this flick, but if he is, Raimi will make it worth it and will do a good job.

[Mr. Socko]

I believe this movie will still deliver. I hope Venom is just in the end of Spider-Man 3. We could handle Sandman and Green Goblin being the main villians with Eddie Brock and have Venom in the end which would be a good move to open another sequel with.

[DACrowe]

Meh, I'll wait for confirmation. However, I'll wait for the finished product before I say "proof of disappointment to come."

Also, I note that Arad and Sony were pushing for Venom hard on Raimi. Action figures sale. Hopefully, Raimi will make it work though.

[Mr. Socko]

I can't wait to get that Sandman action figure!

[CrimeMaster!]

After the last 2 films,I have trust and faith in Raimi to put out another great film.

Some stuff about this film may have me puzzled but I would be lying if I didn't say Im not excited as hell for it.With stuff like GG2,Gwen,Sandman,black costume and Venom how can you not be.

[hk_spyke]

Try reading the actual books in question, instead of relying on some website to back up your claims.... we are never, ever, not even once told ANYWHERE that Kasady was "molested" by his mother.

Was he physically abused by her? Yes. He was not sexually molested, and if you want to post scans backing up your claim, I'd like to see 'em. They would certainly be news to me - and I own practically everything with Carnage in it.

ok sorry it was his dad. it was in "Spider-Man and Batman". i don't have a scanner. but here's the qutoe.

"But isn't that what you want to hear Doctor? That I was a poor Abused child?. That my mother beat me?. my father molested me?. That I was tortured and hung by my ankles over a pit of broken glass?. well maybe that's all true."

you say you have all the carnage comics so look it up it's in the begining. oh and by the way i do have them all. so maybe you should know what your talking about instad of peaching it to everyone else. and i did read them all but like i said i didn't remember everything so i didn't want to read them all again to find all the points so i put up that qutoe from Wikipedia.

[Spider-Bite]

ok sorry it was his dad. it was in "Spider-Man and Batman". i don't have a scanner. but here's the qutoe.

"But isn't that what you want to hear Doctor? That I was a poor Abused child?. That my mother beat me?. my father molested me?. That I was tortured and hung by my ankles over a pit of broken glass?. well maybe that's all true."

you say you have all the carnage comics so look it up it's in the begining. oh and by the way i do have them all. so maybe you should know what your talking about instad of peaching it to everyone else. and i did read them all but like i said i didn't remember everything so i didn't want to read them all again to find all the points so i put up that qutoe from Wikipedia.

the writer of that story though said this story was not in continuation with the regular titles. they chose for it not to be in continuation because the clone saga was still going on then. But even if it had, that doesn't mean it actually happened. He was just toying with the doctor. That was a good issue. I liked it. It was definitely Mark Bagley at his finest.

[hk_spyke]

the writer of that story though said this story was not in continuation with the regular titles. they chose for it not to be in continuation because the clone saga was still going on then. But even if it had, that doesn't mean it actually happened. He was just toying with the doctor. That was a good issue. I liked it. It was definitely Mark Bagley at his finest.

yeah but he said it never showed up anywhere. maybe he was maybe he wasn't who knows. but if it did happen would explain y he's nuts.

[The Kid]

You all will eat crow when this movie brings you to your knees.

Topher rules!

[Cmill216]

Who is that in your avy, Weyseed?

[The Kid]

My wife.






















I wish. It's Rosario Dawson.

[Cmill216]

Ah.....*drools*

;)

[GreenKToo]

hey guys.I wish we had the same problems with S.R.that your having with S3....We're only getting lex according to reports.maybe they are just gonna show venom at the end???for sequel 4???anyway, good luck.hope you guys get your wish...

[Spider-Fan]

This movie had better be long. Like around 2hr. 30min. long. They are cramming so much into this movie so they had better make it long. There is nothing they can do to make up Topher's casting to me, since he is pretty much Brock now, so I can only hope for the best. Still a ridiculous choice, that I am shocked they made. The black suit could have been better, but again, not much they can do now. Also, they had better not undercut Harry's story in this movie. If Brock is Venom, and is in the final battle, then Harry will probably get jipped. I hope this doesn't happen since Harry has the most interesting story going into the movie, I'd hate to see it end in anti-climactic fashion. I have many concerns going into the movie, so I can only hope for the best at this point. I hope Raimi knows what he is doing.

[Red X]

Guess this means alonger wait for The Lizard.

[Galactical]

meh, lizard's cool and everything, he scratches and bites things- what's not to like about that?. But He'd pretty much be redundant anyway... do we really need another mentor/friend of parker's becoming a villian because of some wacky accident in a lab?

We got that in 1 and 2 already.

[spideydave]

Good point. But arent you a little worried that after venom the intrest in spidey films will go down.


No because I thought I would of lost intrest when we didnt get Gwen and when we didnt get Spidey witty banter.

[Spawn187]

meh, lizard's cool and everything, he scratches and bites things- what's not to like about that?. But He'd pretty much be redundant anyway... do we really need another mentor/friend of parker's becoming a villian because of some wacky accident in a lab?

We got that in 1 and 2 already.



What if they approach it another way like if conners was already changing to the lizard before pete goes to conners for help with some crap and doesnt know why his spidey sense goes off around him.???

[Spider-Bite]

meh, lizard's cool and everything, he scratches and bites things- what's not to like about that?. But He'd pretty much be redundant anyway... do we really need another mentor/friend of parker's becoming a villian because of some wacky accident in a lab?

We got that in 1 and 2 already.

He only met Dock Ock twice before the accident. He's already known Conners for years. All they have to do is create a strong bond between them before he becomes the Lizard.

[SpiderB]

The Lizard was always kind of a hokey villain to me. But if he did show up in one of the movies, I always thought they should have Peter see Connors trying and failing in his gene experiments and growing frustrated, and(since it was a genetic mutation that gave Pete his powers) finally decide to reveal his identity to Connors to show him that his theory on regeneration and animal/human gene combination is in fact possible. But for whatever reason, it doesn't work for Connors (or works too well, I guess) and it slowly turns him full on into the Lizard. I think it would be a great conflict for Peter, seeing that his powers could be used for even greater purposes, and then having to choose to do that.

[tonytr1687]

After reading the new interview with Church my opinion has changed. I dont have any worries now. Venom arriving too early or not, I'm sure Raimi will make it brilliant.

[James"007"Bond]

No matter what happens, no matter what character was picked, no matter who the actor or director is...there's always freaking complaining.

There are better directors and better choices of actors and had that been the case, I'm sure there would be a lot less to complin about.:o :spidey:

[Spider-Bite]

There are better directors and better choices of actors and had that been the case, I'm sure there would be a lot less to complin about.:o :spidey:

When the Orlando Magic had Anfernee Hardoway and Shaquille Oneal did people complain and go "there are way better players out there like Michael Jordan" ?

NO! because they were glad to have at least two good players, even if they was better players out there. You almost got James Chameron to direct it. Hes a better director with more experience. You would have had a lot more to complain about. Most directors were not fans of the comic book. had you gotten any one of them, you would have a lot more to complain about.
The fact is yes it's possible that somebody out there could have done better, but they would not have done better. They would have done worse. In fact it's a 90% gurantee that if Raimi hadn't done these movies they would have sucked.
SuperMan
X-men
Butron Batmans and the other two
Elektra
Hulk
DareDevil
Jedge Dredd
Catwoman
Fantastic Four
Teenage Mutant Ninja Tutles
Sin City
League of Extraordinary GentleMen
Blade
Hellboy
Crow
Direct to video Fantastic Four
Punisher

Are any of these as good as Raim's Spider-Man 1 and 2 turned out? Any of them? NOPE! Out of the current list of comic book movies Nolan's Batman and Raimi's Spider-man are the diamonds in the rough, yet you guys still complain "there were far better choices" Look how it could have been. Stastically looking at these we were INCREDIBLY lucky. Like one out of 20 comic book movies turn out this good. Were in the top 99%! What f...ing more do you want for crying out loud? Nothing is ever good enough for you people, and thats what people mean when they say youl always complain no matter what!

If Raimi hadn't taken the helm our spider-man movies would be part of that list up there.

Quit whining little brats!

[War Party]

hey guys.I wish we had the same problems with S.R.that your having with S3....We're only getting lex according to reports.maybe they are just gonna show venom at the end???for sequel 4???anyway, good luck.hope you guys get your wish...

And what is wrong with Lex Luthor? Anway, I have total faith in this movie, but it isn't difficult for me to enjoy a comic based movie. I don't care if it doesn't follow the source material.

[Spider-Bite]

hey guys.I wish we had the same problems with S.R.that your having with S3....We're only getting lex according to reports.maybe they are just gonna show venom at the end???for sequel 4???anyway, good luck.hope you guys get your wish...
]
Spider-Man fans are just really unappreciative of anything.

[Murder]

When the Orlando Magic had Anfernee Hardoway and Shaquille Oneal did people complain and go "there are way better players out there like Michael Jordan" ?

NO! because they were glad to have at least two good players, even if they was better players out there. You almost got James Chameron to direct it. Hes a better director with more experience. You would have had a lot more to complain about. Most directors were not fans of the comic book. had you gotten any one of them, you would have a lot more to complain about.
The fact is yes it's possible that somebody out there could have done better, but they would not have done better. They would have done worse. In fact it's a 90% gurantee that if Raimi hadn't done these movies they would have sucked.
SuperMan
X-men
Butron Batmans and the other two
Elektra
Hulk
DareDevil
Jedge Dredd
Catwoman
Fantastic Four
Teenage Mutant Ninja Tutles
Sin City
League of Extraordinary GentleMen
Blade
Hellboy
Crow
Direct to video Fantastic Four
Punisher

Are any of these as good as Raim's Spider-Man 1 and 2 turned out? Any of them? NOPE! Out of the current list of comic book movies Nolan's Batman and Raimi's Spider-man are the diamonds in the rough, yet you guys still complain "there were far better choices" Look how it could have been. Stastically looking at these we were INCREDIBLY lucky. Like one out of 20 comic book movies turn out this good. Were in the top 99%! What f...ing more do you want for crying out loud? Nothing is ever good enough for you people, and thats what people mean when they say youl always complain no matter what!

If Raimi hadn't taken the helm our spider-man movies would be part of that list up there.

Quit whining little brats! While I disagree with some of the movies that your put on your list. I do agree that James Cameron would have not been that good. Of course that is based on the script I read of his.

[Guyverjay]

I don't think we'll even see Venom until right before the end credits.

[Murder]

I don't think we'll even see Venom until right before the end credits. I would like this to happen but, I'm starting to believe that they are gonna have the stupid battle royale at the end.

[Spider-Bite]

While I disagree with some of the movies that your put on your list. I do agree that James Cameron would have not been that good. Of course that is based on the script I read of his.

It wasn't my intention to say that every movie on that list sucked, even though most of them did.

[Dark_Lord]

I am a Venom fan but I dont even want to see him in 3. He should be in a movie as the main and only villain and not in one big fight.
I could only see him in a big fight like this that has been rumored if he had already been in a previous spidey film.

Now I'm not saying that this movie is not going to be awesome but as a Venom fan I am a little worried.Only fans like us are worried about this. I've already told some friends of mine about the rumored plot and they cant wait!

Anyway I think this movie will be as awesome as Spider-Man 1 and 2. I think we'll all realise this when we see the teaser. I hope...

[Spawn187]

:spidey: When the Orlando Magic had Anfernee Hardoway and Shaquille Oneal did people complain and go "there are way better players out there like Michael Jordan" ?

NO! because they were glad to have at least two good players, even if they was better players out there. You almost got James Chameron to direct it. Hes a better director with more experience. You would have had a lot more to complain about. Most directors were not fans of the comic book. had you gotten any one of them, you would have a lot more to complain about.
The fact is yes it's possible that somebody out there could have done better, but they would not have done better. They would have done worse. In fact it's a 90% gurantee that if Raimi hadn't done these movies they would have sucked.
SuperMan
X-men
Butron Batmans and the other two
Elektra
Hulk
DareDevil
Jedge Dredd
Catwoman
Fantastic Four
Teenage Mutant Ninja Tutles
Sin City
League of Extraordinary GentleMen
Blade
Hellboy
Crow
Direct to video Fantastic Four
Punisher

Are any of these as good as Raim's Spider-Man 1 and 2 turned out? Any of them? NOPE! Out of the current list of comic book movies Nolan's Batman and Raimi's Spider-man are the diamonds in the rough, yet you guys still complain "there were far better choices" Look how it could have been. Stastically looking at these we were INCREDIBLY lucky. Like one out of 20 comic book movies turn out this good. Were in the top 99%! What f...ing more do you want for crying out loud? Nothing is ever good enough for you people, and thats what people mean when they say youl always complain no matter what!

If Raimi hadn't taken the helm our spider-man movies would be part of that list up there.

Quit whining little brats!



WOW.. who the hell ***** in your cereal?????:spidey:

[James"007"Bond]

When the Orlando Magic had Anfernee Hardoway and Shaquille Oneal did people complain and go "there are way better players out there like Michael Jordan" ?

NO! because they were glad to have at least two good players, even if they was better players out there. You almost got James Chameron to direct it. Hes a better director with more experience. You would have had a lot more to complain about. Most directors were not fans of the comic book. had you gotten any one of them, you would have a lot more to complain about.
The fact is yes it's possible that somebody out there could have done better, but they would not have done better. They would have done worse. In fact it's a 90% gurantee that if Raimi hadn't done these movies they would have sucked.
SuperMan
X-men
Butron Batmans and the other two
Elektra
Hulk
DareDevil
Jedge Dredd
Catwoman
Fantastic Four
Teenage Mutant Ninja Tutles
Sin City
League of Extraordinary GentleMen
Blade
Hellboy
Crow
Direct to video Fantastic Four
Punisher

Are any of these as good as Raim's Spider-Man 1 and 2 turned out? Any of them? NOPE! Out of the current list of comic book movies Nolan's Batman and Raimi's Spider-man are the diamonds in the rough, yet you guys still complain "there were far better choices" Look how it could have been. Stastically looking at these we were INCREDIBLY lucky. Like one out of 20 comic book movies turn out this good. Were in the top 99%! What f...ing more do you want for crying out loud? Nothing is ever good enough for you people, and thats what people mean when they say youl always complain no matter what!

If Raimi hadn't taken the helm our spider-man movies would be part of that list up there.

Quit whining little brats!

So what? Is cameron the only other director out there better than Raimi? I dont think so. One doesn't have to be a fan to get something right. If one makes themself knowledgable in something, it stands to reason that he or she has the capability to carry out a task relating to the subject matter in which he or she has studied. That being said, there is plenty of talent out there that would smack the crap out of the mediocre spidey movies we've got so far and when its time for the inevitable recast, you will know this. We all know Raimi is a huge fan yet imo Raimi with all his geekyness and powers that he holds with these movies failed to catapault my interest and excitement upon viweing both movies, to be fair I think the spidey movies are c- grade movies as comic book adaptations but thats my God given opinion. However, what is fact is, Raimi, Maguire and co are NOT the be all to end all combo of these movies.

[Spider-Bite]

being knowledgable isn't enough. you have to consider the term "creative juices flowing" if you aren't a fan of the original comic book, then you aren't going to be capable of making a good movie based off of the comic book, because the creative juices wont flow. You wont be all excited and into it. You wont care about it if you weren't a fan. you still fail to consider that these movies are the diamonds in the rough. So how can you sit and say "there are far better choices out there" We already got those choices and they produced my list. Only one out of so many directors could have made these movies and we got that one. They replace Raimi and these movies will suck big time.

We got the best comic book movies of all time from Raimi, and you guys are still complaining? STILL? I mean geez what more do you want? The best of all time isn't good enough? That's like Bill Gates complaining that he doesn't have enough money, or Michael Jordan complaining that he didn't have enough championships or the Beatles complaining that they didn't sell enough records.

I mean geez people.

[Spawn187]

So what? Is cameron the only other director out there better than Raimi? I dont think so. One doesn't have to be a fan to get something right. If one makes themself knowledgable in something, it stands to reason that he or she has the capability to carry out a task relating to the subject matter in which he or she has studied. That being said, there is plenty of talent out there that would smack the crap out of the mediocre spidey movies we've got so far and when its time for the inevitable recast, you will know this. We all know Raimi is a huge fan yet imo Raimi with all his geekyness and powers that he holds with these movies failed to catapault my interest and excitement upon viweing both movies, to be fair I think the spidey movies are c- grade movies as comic book adaptations but thats my God given opinion. However, what is fact is, Raimi, Maguire and co are NOT the be all to end all combo of these movies.


I agree you dont have to be knowledgeable of a comic from the begining to make a good comic book film. But i do feel that some times the fan in you can make you do stupid crap. All of us as fans know had we been in the directors chair we would all make a zillion different versions of the same comic. Think about it there the same all over the country issue 234 is the same in ny as it is in la. But we all would want to put our own input and our own ideas. Samarami done good with the first 2 this one may be great too. But from my stand point i feel venom is being pushed out to early and some fans are responsible

[Spawn187]

being knowledgable isn't enough. you have to consider the term "creative juices flowing" if you aren't a fan of the original comic book, then you aren't going to be capable of making a good movie based off of the comic book, because the creative juices wont flow. You wont be all excited and into it. You wont care about it if you weren't a fan. you still fail to consider that these movies are the diamonds in the rough. So how can you sit and say "there are far better choices out there" We already got those choices and they produced my list. Only one out of so many directors could have made these movies and we got that one. They replace Raimi and these movies will suck big time.

We got the best comic book movies of all time from Raimi, and you guys are still complaining? STILL? I mean geez what more do you want? The best of all time isn't good enough? That's like Bill Gates complaining that he doesn't have enough money, or Michael Jordan complaining that he didn't have enough championships or the Beatles complaining that they didn't sell enough records.

I mean geez people.



I must diagree cus as much as i hate that harry potter crap they have changed directors and there franchise is doing great. You cant honestly belive that all the directors are fans of the book...and on a side note the beatles didnt sell enough records...

[Spider-Bite]

I agree you dont have to be knowledgeable of a comic from the begining to make a good comic book film. But i do feel that some times the fan in you can make you do stupid crap. All of us as fans know had we been in the directors chair we would all make a zillion different versions of the same comic. Think about it there the same all over the country issue 234 is the same in ny as it is in la. But we all would want to put our own input and our own ideas. Samarami done good with the first 2 this one may be great too. But from my stand point i feel venom is being pushed out to early and some fans are responsible

If any one of us on these boards made the spider-man movies there would be just as many complaints and probably more. we each got our own spider-man and we each related to him a different way. He's the every man hero.

I remember when the first movie came out. All the reviews said it was extremely close to the source material. I'm sure at first the boards all said the same thing. people just like to complain sometimes because it makes them feel big or something.

[Spider-Bite]

I must diagree cus as much as i hate that harry potter crap they have changed directors and there franchise is doing great. You cant honestly belive that all the directors are fans of the book...and on a side note the beatles didnt sell enough records...

They didn't? If you add MIchael Jackson's solo records with his Jackson 5 records he's the biggest selling artist of all time. If you only count his solo records he's the second biggest artist of all time, and second only to the Beatles.

Harry Potter is not Spider-Man. IF you get another director he will change everything.

[DroolingforGwen]

If any one of us on these boards made the spider-man movies there would be just as many complaints and probably more. we each got our own spider-man and we each related to him a different way. He's the every man hero.

I remember when the first movie came out. All the reviews said it was extremely close to the source material. I'm sure at first the boards all said the same thing. people just like to complain sometimes because it makes them feel big or something.

Couldn't of said it better... you can't make everyone happy... and no movie can be perfect... it's just not possible... the movies are separate from the comics so take it for wat it is... overall a very exciting franchise that really couldn't be much better than what they are right now...

[Spawn187]

If any one of us on these boards made the spider-man movies there would be just as many complaints and probably more. we each got our own spider-man and we each related to him a different way. He's the every man hero.

I remember when the first movie came out. All the reviews said it was extremely close to the source material. I'm sure at first the boards all said the same thing. people just like to complain sometimes because it makes them feel big or something.


i dont think its a matter of feeling big its more of a matter of being a fan. just like sports fans feel like there part of the team when the reds win fans walk around feeling like the 10th man on the field screaming we won we won.. not that there is anything wrong with that but that is why peopl ecomplain they feel its thier's and noone but them should talk or touch it.

[Spawn187]

They didn't? If you add MIchael Jackson's solo records with his Jackson 5 records he's the biggest selling artist of all time. If you only count his solo records he's the second biggest artist of all time, and second only to the Beatles.

Harry Potter is not Spider-Man. IF you get another director he will change everything.

Well the Funk brothers sold more records than the beatles, elvis, and beach boys combine. they were the sound of motown for more info check out "Standing in the shadow of motown" on DVD...:)

[Spider-Bite]

Well the Funk brothers sold more records than the beatles, elvis, and beach boys combine. they were the sound of motown for more info check out "Standing in the shadow of motown" on DVD...:)

That's not true. That really isn't. Elvis was big in America but on a worldwide scale MIchael Jackson and The Beatles are in their own league with whoever the third person is being way, way, way back there looking like a fly compared to them.

on a side note if it wasn't for child abuse allegations most likely Michael jackson's solo career would have eventually left the Beatles in the dust. Even when his skin was white, nose falling off, and everybody convinced he was gay, his Dangerous album was selling so fast that industry experts predicted it was going to become the worlds biggest selling album of all time knocking his Thriller to worldwide second place. About a year into it's release when it was still selling at record paces the allegations came out, and it killed it. At that time he hadn't even made videos for the album's best songs, and the videos were always his biggest attraction.

[Spider-Bite]

i dont think its a matter of feeling big its more of a matter of being a fan. just like sports fans feel like there part of the team when the reds win fans walk around feeling like the 10th man on the field screaming we won we won.. not that there is anything wrong with that but that is why peopl ecomplain they feel its thier's and noone but them should talk or touch it.

that's a good analyzation actually.

[Spider-Bite]

am I the only one here who was having major problems getting on here this morning and last night?

[DroolingforGwen]

This is the second time i've seen MJ (the other MJ) and two separate threads.... just kinda amusing.... but back to the topic.... i overall can honestly say that I am not all that concerned about the quality of this movie based on what we know up to this point... The movies have been good up to this point, but it is pointless to beg for major changes at this juncture... Tobey is what he is, Dunst is what she is, and Raimi is what he is and if people can't accept that... then they will be suprised with SM3, whether for the better or worse...

[Spawn187]

That's not true. That really isn't. Elvis was big in America but on a worldwide scale MIchael Jackson and The Beatles are in their own league with whoever the third person is being way, way, way back there looking like a fly compared to them.

on a side note if it wasn't for child abuse allegations most likely Michael jackson's solo career would have eventually left the Beatles in the dust. Even when his skin was white, nose falling off, and everybody convinced he was gay, his Dangerous album was selling so fast that industry experts predicted it was going to become the biggest selling album of all time knocking Thriller to second place. About a year into it's release when it was still selling at record paces the allegations came out, and it killed it. At that time he hadn't even made videos for the album's best songs, and the videos were always his biggest attraction.




Motown music is heard all over the world. I am not talkin gabout the funk brothers solo stuff i am talking about everthing the have done with marvin gaye, gladys kinght, barry white, steve wonder,etc. etc. theres a book too if you dont want to check out the movie i will try to find it to give you the title if your intrested and i PM you with it. Wow we got way off topic.

[Spider-Bite]

No we can never get back on topic. Nevvveeeeerrrrrr! :)

So what you guys think about the Bush administration supporting the sharing of nuclear technology with India who happens to be training Iran's military, who we happen to be drawing up plans for war with to stop them from getting nuclear technology?

[Spider-Bite]

Motown music is heard all over the world. I am not talkin gabout the funk brothers solo stuff i am talking about everthing the have done with marvin gaye, gladys kinght, barry white, steve wonder,etc. etc. theres a book too if you dont want to check out the movie i will try to find it to give you the title if your intrested and i PM you with it. Wow we got way off topic.

I know what Motwon is. It created Michael Jackson. I never heard of the funk brothers. but just so you know MOtown is a record company. not a music artist.

no need to PM me anything, I'll just check it out through the internet. thanks though.

[The Kid]

Hey I don't like a lot of what raimi does or how the story seems to have been set up but but but but there's still hope.... maybe...

but I'll finally put a bullet in my brain when topher builds mechanical webshooters after he becomes Venom. I promise.

[Spawn187]

This is the second time i've seen MJ (the other MJ) and two separate threads.... just kinda amusing.... but back to the topic.... i overall can honestly say that I am not all that concerned about the quality of this movie based on what we know up to this point... The movies have been good up to this point, but it is pointless to beg for major changes at this juncture... Tobey is what he is, Dunst is what she is, and Raimi is what he is and if people can't accept that... then they will be suprised with SM3, whether for the better or worse...



Wouldnt it be funny after you posted that when the movie is finally out and your sitting down in the chair popcorn in hand and befor the opening credits the voice from moviefone says "and tonight playing the role of Mary Jane Watson. Topher Grace. And playing the part of Aunt May a Cat that can juggle.lol

[pucky]

dude venom has so much potential....he's not just some cheesy guy with a plan to take over the world or whatever.....he's a scary ass monster who wants nothing but to tear spidey apart. I almost am tempted to say I don't want him to be like he is in the comics...I want nothing more than a scary killing monster, almost like doomsday from superman. He has no corporation to run, no sun making thingee to build, he justs wants to kill spiderman! HE IS THE PERFECT BAD GUY and he's unlike any bad guy we've ever seen on screen.

[Galactical]

What if they approach it another way like if conners was already changing to the lizard before pete goes to conners for help with some crap and doesnt know why his spidey sense goes off around him.???

Well that could work. I imagine it as Peter noticing something wrong with doc conners throughout the movie during the day while at night he battles the mysterious lizard-man. then of course, later it is revealed who the lizard is. :up::) good thinking.

[Spawn187]

Well that could work. I imagine it as Peter noticing something wrong with doc conners throughout the movie during the day while at night he battles the mysterious lizard-man. then of course, later it is revealed who the lizard is. :up::) good thinking.


I guess. :) thanks:up:

[Spider-Bite]

dude venom has so much potential....he's not just some cheesy guy with a plan to take over the world or whatever.....he's a scary ass monster who wants nothing but to tear spidey apart. I almost am tempted to say I don't want him to be like he is in the comics...I want nothing more than a scary killing monster, almost like doomsday from superman. He has no corporation to run, no sun making thingee to build, he justs wants to kill spiderman! HE IS THE PERFECT BAD GUY and he's unlike any bad guy we've ever seen on screen.

He has potential, but you didn't describe any in your post. Not only that but the description you gave is of the very boring kind of villain which have been in movies countless times.

Can you say Bane? horrible Batman movie?

[DroolingforGwen]

I'm posting this here cause i didnt get any replies in the other thread... it's
been talked about a million times... but if the spoilers were correct and Venom indeed dies (Brock's Version atleast) I'm not saying it's a good idea... but maybe it can work:

Let's say Sandman fights Spidey... Spidey gets symbiate to ward off Sandman... Spidey notices changes in his personality... gets rid of suit... Brock finds it... Kills Sandman and becomes new hero of the city after being fired from the Bugle... then goes beserk... Harry kills Brock at end.... Symbiate escapes.... i know it's far fetched... but if Brock is indeed dying... it might work...

[James"007"Bond]

being knowledgable isn't enough. you have to consider the term "creative juices flowing" if you aren't a fan of the original comic book, then you aren't going to be capable of making a good movie based off of the comic book, because the creative juices wont flow. You wont be all excited and into it. You wont care about it if you weren't a fan. you still fail to consider that these movies are the diamonds in the rough. So how can you sit and say "there are far better choices out there" We already got those choices and they produced my list. Only one out of so many directors could have made these movies and we got that one. They replace Raimi and these movies will suck big time.

We got the best comic book movies of all time from Raimi, and you guys are still complaining? STILL? I mean geez what more do you want? The best of all time isn't good enough? That's like Bill Gates complaining that he doesn't have enough money, or Michael Jordan complaining that he didn't have enough championships or the Beatles complaining that they didn't sell enough records.

I mean geez people.

The hell you talking about? So your essentially saying that you need to be a fan in order to make a good spider-man movie?? How absurd. What s ironic is, Raimi claims to be a fan yet the spider-man movies are riddled with innacuracies, poor attempts at impressing me, someone who's been reading the comics for 18 years and all in all, Raimi has managed to produce 2 mediocre flicks undershadowed by the movies' own hype. Please, you must think a director must be a fan or appreciate the fact that there are sick, twisted individuals to make films about. I suppose you think we need more serial killers for hollywood to draw inspiration from to make better horror movies.
Anybody who knows what spider-man is about and the characters involved and who has the directing skills to make a good movie can direct a spidey movie, simple as. Your logic is horrendously flawed and thats what you need to realise. People like you give Avi Arad a reason to wake up every morning and decide to green-light stupid ideas like, a magneto movie.

Furthermore, look at Goyer, he's fan of blade but look at blade 3. A total crapfest. Fix up dude.

[Spider-Bite]

The hell you talking about? So your essentially saying that you need to be a fan in order to make a good spider-man movie?? How absurd. What s ironic is, Raimi claims to be a fan yet the spider-man movies are riddled with innacuracies, poor attempts at impressing me, someone who's been reading the comics for 18 years and all in all, Raimi has managed to produce 2 mediocre flicks undershadowed by the movies' own hype. Please, you must think a director must be a fan or appreciate the fact that there are sick, twisted individuals to make films about. I suppose you think we need more serial killers for hollywood to draw inspiration from to make better horror movies.
Anybody who knows what spider-man is about and the characters involved and who has the directing skills to make a good movie can direct a spidey movie, simple as. Your logic is horrendously flawed and thats what you need to realise. People like you give Avi Arad a reason to wake up every morning and decide to green-light stupid ideas like, a magneto movie.

Furthermore, look at Goyer, he's fan of blade but look at blade 3. A total crapfest. Fix up dude.

those directors wont make a movie anything like the comic book was. that's the point. they would turn everything upside down. PROFESSIONAL movie critics and audiences all over the world have praised these movies as the best of the best. It's already set to be the biggest franchise of all time by the time it ends.

[eagles0589]

If Venom is the other villian, They will have Sandman and GG2 for most of the movie. Spiderman will need the symbiote to defeat those two villians. But Spiderman will force the symbiote away after it almost makes him kill Harry, then the symbiote will fall into Brock's hands which sets up SM4....or at least thats how I would do it.:spidey:

[kaisersoze]

I wouldn't worry about Venom too much. I'm pretty confident he'll only be revealed at the very end of the movie leading up to Spider-Man 4.

This movie will focus on the Green Goblin 2 and Sandman.

Venom sets up part 4.

:spidey:

[Hellrider]

Maybe by Venom, Raimi and Lee meant Brock ... and maybe, like others have said, Brock will lead to Venom in SM4. I doubt Raimi would put all those 3 villians (if indeed GG2 and venom will be in the movie with Sandman) in the film, and plus Gwen Stacy, and MJ... Its just way, way, way too much for a 2 hour film.

[Spawn187]

They should atleast say how long they think the film will run cus that would probably make some fans feel a little at eas.

[Galactical]

-Things have changed...

[Shoemeister]

Why can't we just put faith in the people behind the movie? Why?

[Galactical]

Everyone has faith in the people behind the movie. But some have lost some faith because they don't like some of the decisions made for this one.

[Tangled Web]

Yeah, this movie should have been about Harry vs. Peter, brother vs. brother, friend vs. friend. This would have been a great end to the Goblin saga.
They should have waited for the 4th one.

[GoldGoblin]

Yeah, this movie should have been about Harry vs. Peter, brother vs. brother, friend vs. friend. This would have been a great end to the Goblin saga.
They should have waited for the 4th one.

^Agreed.Raimi/Tobey talk about the story for Peter Parker himself in each movie is the important thing in these movies for them,not the villains.So those stories for Peter are tough to find,so why combine two of Peter's stories,when you could use one at a time,and get two movies out of it.

Part 3 should of been the brother vs brother story.It would of been juicy.
Part 4 you could of introduced the symbiote story,the evil spidey,the drunken with power story.(Where evil spidey faces Lizard and Kraven)
Part 5 you have Venom right when the movie begins,and where Sandman comes into the movie a little bit after.You wouldn't really need a story,with these two villains in the movie.

Part 6 would be the Sinister Six.

[xwolverine2]

I totally would pick him over Sandman or Venom any day. :(
hell ............ no

even as crappy as sandman is........i think the lizard is so cliche:down :(

venom owns all........except for GG,GG2(comic version),carnage,and the symbiote lady(scream?)

[Batman2008]

Everyone has faith in the people behind the movie. But some have lost some faith because they don't like some of the decisions made for this one.



i.e. Hulk.

[Green Goblin 1964]

i have faith in this movie cause bryce said that the second spidey movie did better than the first one but she also said that this third one is better than the other two put together.

i trust they did the right decision

[Red X]

-Things have changed...

No, they haven't.

[Red X]

i have faith in this movie cause bryce said that the second spidey movie did better than the first one but she also said that this third one is better than the other two put together.

i trust they did the right decision

...It's not like she would diss the movie is it, they want people to go see it.

[blackhatpat]

Damn, people.


Look at it this way.

This is Sam Raimi's last Spider-Man film. He's going out with a bang. Wouldn't you rather have Venom now, done by a pretty damn decent director(Raimi), rather than, say, Michael Bay for a future sequel? I mean, I don't know about you guys, but Sony will probably choose some pretty mediocre directors for the later films in the series, and if that is what happens, I would much rather have Raimi do Venom now than some one mess him up later.

[Darknightnomis]

Raimi went with Venon becasue he is an extremly popular character, probloy the most original popular spidey villian in the past 15 years of recent creation.

Now if Carnage happen to be in Spidey 4....

[Cinemaman]

Uhhhh... I am so tired.

1. Grace looks perfect Brock in Raimi's vision and that is why he casted him.

2. Grace looks excellent as Brock and he can act.

3. Venom will be included as the main villian for final battle bcause of fans.

4. Venom is very effective character.

5. SM3 is the movie about Peter fighting with his dark side, so the only dark side, which we can see in him is Venom, who will be viewed as opposite side of Spidey.

[DACrowe]

Well I agree that it should have only been GG2 in this movie. In fact from the sounds of it Raimi intended only using GG2 and Sandman. But Avi Arad and Sony pressured him into using Venom as it was the end of the trilogy and he is the most popular villain out there.

And in fact I very much look forward to how Sam handles the symbiote saga as he will nail it I think. However the only vllain who seems like he'll get his full day in the sun in this movie is sandman. Harry is being regulated to second-rate as he will have 2 failed attempts at killing Peter who will then "dispose" of him like it was nothing and then return at the end to sacrifice himself for Peter....not much sense there. And then we have Venom who will be faithful to the comics and menacing and visually awesome I"m sure....

but ocnsidering he'll be in less than a third of it we won't get to see Spidey buckle and run ad be truly frightened of Eddie as he stalks him and haunts MJ. Without that he isn't as cool without Peter's fear.

I think this will be a good movie, maybe the best of the three but I think in adaptation sense that two out of three villains will not get their due though.

[Cmill216]

There is no way in hell this movie was ever going to just be about Harry.

[Master of Zinj]

Yeah, this movie should have been about Harry vs. Peter, brother vs. brother, friend vs. friend. This would have been a great end to the Goblin saga.
They should have waited for the 4th one.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think they got it right. Consider the quote at the beginning of the Comic Con trailer from Aunt May - about how seeking revenge turns you into a monster. They're not basing this film around a single plot strand, but around a theme.

Peter/Spidey will seek revenge on Sandman because he is led to believe Sandman was involved with the killing of Ben.

Harry seeks revenge on Peter/Spidey because of his father.

Brock seeks revenge on Peter for whatever reason is revealed in the film.

So essentially, the film charts the corruption that revenge has on each of these characters. And revenge warps and destroys each of them in their own way, turning them into monsters. In Brock's case, this happens in the most extreme form, turning him into a slathering, horrifying creature.

That is why I think they've left Venom's appearance to the end. Because it's the most extreme, the most shocking, the most terrifying realisation of Revenge.

And once again they're clearly focusing on character - which is why Raimi said that each villain is brought in tightly connected with the story. There are no superfluous conflicts in other words - and that adds up to one hell of a suspense-filled film.

I've had my doubts about Venom and all the other villains being crowded in, but the more I see, the more convinced I am that there's nothing to worry about...


*deep breath*

[Cmill216]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think they got it right. Consider the quote at the beginning of the Comic Con trailer from Aunt May - about how seeking revenge turns you into a monster. They're not basing this film around a single plot strand, but around a theme.

Peter/Spidey will seek revenge on Sandman because he is led to believe Sandman was involved with the killing of Ben.

Harry seeks revenge on Peter/Spidey because of his father.

Brock seeks revenge on Peter for whatever reason is revealed in the film.

So essentially, the film charts the corruption that revenge has on each of these characters. And revenge warps and destroys each of them in their own way, turning them into monsters. In Brock's case, this happens in the most extreme form, turning him into a slathering, horrifying creature.

That is why I think they've left Venom's appearance to the end. Because it's the most extreme, the most shocking, the most terrifying realisation of Revenge.

And once again they're clearly focusing on character - which is why Raimi said that each villain is brought in tightly connected with the story. There are no superfluous conflicts in other words - and that adds up to one hell of a suspense-filled film.

I've had my doubts about Venom and all the other villains being crowded in, but the more I see, the more convinced I am that there's nothing to worry about...


*deep breath*

Welcome. to. the. Hype. :D

Great first post. :up:

[DACrowe]

All I want is some real ****ing tension between Spidey and Venom before they fight. Like he reveals himself first as a real threat and then shows up at Gwen's place to scare her ****less (and get back at Peter).

I also want Harry not to be a second-rate villain. The original plan Raimi hinted at was Harry and Sandman but Avi said "You have Sandman. But the *kids* really want to see Venom." And I'm sure they changed the story to eprfectly introduce him. But will this push Harry out is my question?

On the other hand it looks like Raimi ended up really enjoying dark Spidey with the symbiote now though.

[Cinemaman]

Spider-man 3 shows everything like:

The dark side of the main character (symbiote)

New love interest (Gwen)

The revenge of son (Harry)

Brother against brother (Pete vs. Harry)

The meanning of family (Sandman)

And the opposite side of the main character (Eddie Broc aka Venom)

It will be one of the best Spider-man movies, believe me :up:

[Aiden]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think they got it right. Consider the quote at the beginning of the Comic Con trailer from Aunt May - about how seeking revenge turns you into a monster. They're not basing this film around a single plot strand, but around a theme.

Peter/Spidey will seek revenge on Sandman because he is led to believe Sandman was involved with the killing of Ben.

Harry seeks revenge on Peter/Spidey because of his father.

Brock seeks revenge on Peter for whatever reason is revealed in the film.

So essentially, the film charts the corruption that revenge has on each of these characters. And revenge warps and destroys each of them in their own way, turning them into monsters. In Brock's case, this happens in the most extreme form, turning him into a slathering, horrifying creature.

That is why I think they've left Venom's appearance to the end. Because it's the most extreme, the most shocking, the most terrifying realisation of Revenge.

And once again they're clearly focusing on character - which is why Raimi said that each villain is brought in tightly connected with the story. There are no superfluous conflicts in other words - and that adds up to one hell of a suspense-filled film.

I've had my doubts about Venom and all the other villains being crowded in, but the more I see, the more convinced I am that there's nothing to worry about...


*deep breath*:eek:

:up: :up: :up:

[Mr. Vice]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think they got it right. Consider the quote at the beginning of the Comic Con trailer from Aunt May - about how seeking revenge turns you into a monster. They're not basing this film around a single plot strand, but around a theme.

Peter/Spidey will seek revenge on Sandman because he is led to believe Sandman was involved with the killing of Ben.

Harry seeks revenge on Peter/Spidey because of his father.

Brock seeks revenge on Peter for whatever reason is revealed in the film.

So essentially, the film charts the corruption that revenge has on each of these characters. And revenge warps and destroys each of them in their own way, turning them into monsters. In Brock's case, this happens in the most extreme form, turning him into a slathering, horrifying creature.

That is why I think they've left Venom's appearance to the end. Because it's the most extreme, the most shocking, the most terrifying realisation of Revenge.

And once again they're clearly focusing on character - which is why Raimi said that each villain is brought in tightly connected with the story. There are no superfluous conflicts in other words - and that adds up to one hell of a suspense-filled film.

I've had my doubts about Venom and all the other villains being crowded in, but the more I see, the more convinced I am that there's nothing to worry about...


*deep breath*

:eek:

[Cinemaman]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think they got it right. Consider the quote at the beginning of the Comic Con trailer from Aunt May - about how seeking revenge turns you into a monster. They're not basing this film around a single plot strand, but around a theme.

Peter/Spidey will seek revenge on Sandman because he is led to believe Sandman was involved with the killing of Ben.

Harry seeks revenge on Peter/Spidey because of his father.

Brock seeks revenge on Peter for whatever reason is revealed in the film.

So essentially, the film charts the corruption that revenge has on each of these characters. And revenge warps and destroys each of them in their own way, turning them into monsters. In Brock's case, this happens in the most extreme form, turning him into a slathering, horrifying creature.

That is why I think they've left Venom's appearance to the end. Because it's the most extreme, the most shocking, the most terrifying realisation of Revenge.

And once again they're clearly focusing on character - which is why Raimi said that each villain is brought in tightly connected with the story. There are no superfluous conflicts in other words - and that adds up to one hell of a suspense-filled film.

I've had my doubts about Venom and all the other villains being crowded in, but the more I see, the more convinced I am that there's nothing to worry about...


*deep breath*

Very good post :up:

[Red X]

Uhhhh... I am so tired.

1. Grace looks perfect Brock in Raimi's vision and that is why he casted him.

2. Grace looks excellent as Brock and he can act.

3. Venom will be included as the main villian for final battle bcause of fans.

4. Venom is very effective character.

5. SM3 is the movie about Peter fighting with his dark side, so the only dark side, which we can see in him is Venom, who will be viewed as opposite side of Spidey.

*sigh*

[Aiden]

*sigh*Was is just casted? Or something else

[Mephistopheles]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think they got it right. Consider the quote at the beginning of the Comic Con trailer from Aunt May - about how seeking revenge turns you into a monster. They're not basing this film around a single plot strand, but around a theme.

Peter/Spidey will seek revenge on Sandman because he is led to believe Sandman was involved with the killing of Ben.

Harry seeks revenge on Peter/Spidey because of his father.

Brock seeks revenge on Peter for whatever reason is revealed in the film.

So essentially, the film charts the corruption that revenge has on each of these characters. And revenge warps and destroys each of them in their own way, turning them into monsters. In Brock's case, this happens in the most extreme form, turning him into a slathering, horrifying creature.

That is why I think they've left Venom's appearance to the end. Because it's the most extreme, the most shocking, the most terrifying realisation of Revenge.

And once again they're clearly focusing on character - which is why Raimi said that each villain is brought in tightly connected with the story. There are no superfluous conflicts in other words - and that adds up to one hell of a suspense-filled film.

I've had my doubts about Venom and all the other villains being crowded in, but the more I see, the more convinced I am that there's nothing to worry about...


*deep breath*
Great Post :up: :up:

[THWIP*]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think they got it right. Consider the quote at the beginning of the Comic Con trailer from Aunt May - about how seeking revenge turns you into a monster. They're not basing this film around a single plot strand, but around a theme.

Peter/Spidey will seek revenge on Sandman because he is led to believe Sandman was involved with the killing of Ben.

Harry seeks revenge on Peter/Spidey because of his father.

Brock seeks revenge on Peter for whatever reason is revealed in the film.

So essentially, the film charts the corruption that revenge has on each of these characters. And revenge warps and destroys each of them in their own way, turning them into monsters. In Brock's case, this happens in the most extreme form, turning him into a slathering, horrifying creature.

That is why I think they've left Venom's appearance to the end. Because it's the most extreme, the most shocking, the most terrifying realisation of Revenge.

And once again they're clearly focusing on character - which is why Raimi said that each villain is brought in tightly connected with the story. There are no superfluous conflicts in other words - and that adds up to one hell of a suspense-filled film.

I've had my doubts about Venom and all the other villains being crowded in, but the more I see, the more convinced I am that there's nothing to worry about...


*deep breath*




AWESOME POST......AND I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE. MY ONLY REAL CONCERN.......NOW, AS BEFORE........IS WITH THE TIME ELEMENT. IF THEY MAKE AT LEAST A 2-1/2 HR MOVIE (I'D LOVE 3, BUT I'M BEING REALISTIC), THIS CAN WORK; IF IT'S ONLY 2 HOURS......OR LESS......IT WON'T. YOU ONLY NEED TO SEE 'X-MEN:TLS' TO REALIZE THAT. :o

[Cinemaman]

I think Spidey 3 will be about 140-150 mins.

[inspecta51]

I have neither the time nor the inclination to read through 170+ posts, so if this has already been said, accept my apologies.

I don't think Venom is going to be in the film that much. I think much of the film will scope the GG2 and Sandman angle with Brock being in the thick of the story. I think Venom won't actually apear until the end which will lead into the 4th movie with Venom being the title villian in that movie. Its not too early to introduce him, its just the right time in fact.

[Idio]

Honestly, out of all the villains, I've just wanted to see Venom the most on screen. With the possibilities of any of the cast or Raimi returning to the franchise after this one, I'm glad that we're getting a good interpretation of Venom.

If you hated the comic version of Venom, that doesn't mean a thing, considering how different the movie counterparts have been from the comic versions. Doc Ock is by no means the same Doc Ock from the comics.

Venom, visually, is spectacular. You can say that you hate his character and what have you, but a full blown web slinging fight between Venom and Spiderman over the New York skyline is going to be something to look at.

[superduperhero]

Yeah if we wouldn't have gotten Venom people would be like "what the hell.... no venom!!!" and this thread would've been about how Raimi didn't make this film with Venom.....

[Tony Stark]

Exactly why I'm glad fanboys don't have control of this franchise. The only thing bad about having Venom in this movie, is a 4th movie will be hard to top this one.

[superduperhero]

Exactly why I'm glad fanboys don't have control of this franchise. The only thing bad about having Venom in this movie, is a 4th movie will be hard to top this one.

TRUE.

[Eddie Brock]

Yeah if we wouldn't have gotten Venom people would be like "what the hell.... no venom!!!" and this thread would've been about how Raimi didn't make this film with Venom.....
thats the truth

[Topdawg]

Im glad they chsoe venom, he's one of the best villains.

[Cinemaman]

Exactly why I'm glad fanboys don't have control of this franchise. The only thing bad about having Venom in this movie, is a 4th movie will be hard to top this one.

Actually 4th villian is symbiote, I hope so, because I dont want Mysterio to appear.

[lordofthenerds]

Actually 4th villian is symbiote, I hope so, because I dont want Mysterio to appear.
Trust me, it isn't Mysterio.

[Lothy]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Venom still "at large" or in some sense not dead by the end of the movie.

That way you're giving a portion of the fan base what they want by having Venom in SM3, while leaving the character open for future conflicts in further sequels.

[DSET]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think they got it right. Consider the quote at the beginning of the Comic Con trailer from Aunt May - about how seeking revenge turns you into a monster. They're not basing this film around a single plot strand, but around a theme.

Peter/Spidey will seek revenge on Sandman because he is led to believe Sandman was involved with the killing of Ben.

Harry seeks revenge on Peter/Spidey because of his father.

Brock seeks revenge on Peter for whatever reason is revealed in the film.

So essentially, the film charts the corruption that revenge has on each of these characters. And revenge warps and destroys each of them in their own way, turning them into monsters. In Brock's case, this happens in the most extreme form, turning him into a slathering, horrifying creature.

That is why I think they've left Venom's appearance to the end. Because it's the most extreme, the most shocking, the most terrifying realisation of Revenge.

And once again they're clearly focusing on character - which is why Raimi said that each villain is brought in tightly connected with the story. There are no superfluous conflicts in other words - and that adds up to one hell of a suspense-filled film.

I've had my doubts about Venom and all the other villains being crowded in, but the more I see, the more convinced I am that there's nothing to worry about...


*deep breath*

I strongly agree
Now that Topher seems to be doing a good job the only doubt I have on this film is the cluttering of villains and subplots they might throw into the storyline
3 seem's a bit much but a 4th might ruin it
But the way you describe it makes me feel a little better about the direction they’re taking this movie in.

I sincerely hope they show just a bit of Venom scenes and leave his main actions and plots for a fourth one. We all know Venom is by far the most anticipated spidey villain of them all and it would be a waste if all he gets is a movie with sandman and Harry. It would be unjustifiable that Ock and Goblin get they’re own movies and Venom doesn’t. It would be like making BB2 with Joker, Mr Freeze and poison Ivy. But Raimi is not a big Venom supporter so it’s possible that we wont see venom in the fourth

[Eddie Brock]

Trust me, it isn't Mysterio.
i heard somewhere that Bruce plays a waiter or something

[pedro parkero]

Venom, visually, is spectacular. You can say that you hate his character and what have you, but a full blown web slinging fight between Venom and Spiderman over the New York skyline is going to be something to look at.
Yeah, too bad he's only going to appear in the final fight at the construction site and will die after that...

[Darkthrone]

I don't get it.. when was it CONFIRMED that 6 movies will come out.


IT has to be confirmed, boys and girls.


As for Venom, he will most likely be the main villian if there IS a 4th one.

[Eddie Brock]

Yeah, too bad he's only going to appear in the final fight at the construction site and will die after that...
not exactly
Topher gave away that Venom kidnaps MJ

[Lothy]

Yeah, too bad he's only going to appear in the final fight at the construction site and will die after that...

Just curious...Do we actually know that to be confirmed someplace? Or is that just the current speculation going around? I'm not surprised at the first point, but rather your second one.

[Eddie Brock]

Just curious...Do we actually know that to be confirmed someplace? Or is that just the current speculation going around? I'm not surprised at the first point, but rather your second one.
i dont think its confirmed at all

[Cinemaman]

Well, actually we will see most likely 2-3 scenes of Venom.

1) First scene of Brock turning into Venom in the church.

2) Some scene with him and Venom finding something in symbiote.

3) Final Battle ;)

[ges681]

Well, actually we will see most likely 2-3 scenes of Venom.

1) First scene of Brock turning into Venom in the church.

2) Some scene with him and Venom finding something in symbiote.

3) Final Battle ;)

what about him kidnapping MJ. Topher hinted pretty strongly this weekend it was going to happen.

[Cinemaman]

what about him kidnapping MJ. Topher hinted pretty strongly this weekend it was going to happen.

My bad, we will see him 4 times :) :up:

[Mr. Vice]

Venom is going to rock!

[Darkmania]

My take is this; if they care so much about character, themes, and storylines, a battle between Peter and Harry (GGB 2) should have been what this movie is about...okay, and add a side villian like Sandman.

What I liked about the first two movies, is that there is only one bad guy...enough time to tell a credible story for each character....I am trying to stay positive, however I am worried this one will turn into a "Clooney Batman" type movie.

[Cmill216]

My take is this; if they care so much about character, themes, and storylines, a battle between Peter and Harry (GGB 2) should have been what this movie is about...okay, and add a side villian like Sandman.

What I liked about the first two movies, is that there is only one bad guy...enough time to tell a credible story for each character....I am trying to stay positive, however I am worried this one will turn into a "Clooney Batman" type movie.

*sigh*

I can't wait till May 4, 2007 arrives. Then some of your "worries" are going to be completely evaporated. Actually, those "worries" should have been evaporated by Comic Con.

[Shoemeister]

*sigh*

I can't wait till May 4, 2007 arrives. Then some of your "worries" are going to be completely evaporated. Actually, those "worries" should have been evaporated by Comic Con.

Couldn't agree more with this statement.

[Aiden]

what about him kidnapping MJ. Topher hinted pretty strongly this weekend it was going to happen.I think it's just normal Eddie that kidknaps her...Doesn't he abduct her in a cab or something :confused:

[Eddie Brock]

I think it's just normal Eddie that kidknaps her...Doesn't he abduct her in a cab or something :confused:
that..would suck
flat out

[GreenMamba]

It happens.

[DACrowe]

When did Topher hint he would kidnap MJ. Though it was a great moment in the comics it would be redundant on film. I would prefer it if he just appears in the cab and scares the **** out of her to instill the fear of dread into her and thus Peter who should have already revealed himself to and gave the ultimatum for the final climax and destination and scares MJ to both psyche out Peter and force him to appear at the construction site where he and Sandman double team him....but a green fellow may come to Peter's aide.

That is how I hope it plays out though. And the battle royale ends with Harry dying a hero and Sandman defeated before that and it is just Spidey and Venom standing across from one another for one climatic showdown.

That would be the best way to play it out in my opinion with no damsel in distress in the scene either though.

[Eddie Brock]

i hope he kidnaps her as Venom
and not as Eddie

[Carter]

That's why I blame some of the idiotic fans on this board and their annoying impatience when it comes to Venom. They're making six friggin' movies! There's plenty of time to include Venom in the future...but noooo. They're putting too many eggs in one basket with this one, and risk blowing their load before the franchise has even peaked. Where can you go after Venom? The only thing that can top him are Carnage and the Sinister Six and that would only equal five movies.

The uh casual fan doesnt want to wait until 2010 to get a glimpse of venom.:up:

[Eddie Brock]

When did Topher hint he would kidnap MJ.
someone asked Kirsten who her favorite villain to get kidnapped by was, then Topher said "Yeah, Kirsten...who? hmmm?" and then she said "Topher! You just gave away a big plot twist!"

[NJGooner]

When did Topher hint he would kidnap MJ.

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=23949

THE PANEL:

- The biggest slip at the panel come from Kirsten Dunst, who just loves to spit out spoilers. She was asked by a young girl which villain would she enjoy being kidnapped by the most. Kirsten "ummm..." and "aaahhh..."ed a few times. Topher cleared his throat, loudly. She goes, "You totally just gave something away!" The audience laughs and Topher repeats the question, "Who WOULD you want to be captured by?" Whoops. So, it's safe to assume Eddie or Venom abducts MJ in the movie. Thanks, Kirsten.

[pedro parkero]

Just curious...Do we actually know that to be confirmed someplace? Or is that just the current speculation going around? I'm not surprised at the first point, but rather your second one. It pays to prepare you Venom-lovers out there. After all, many sources, albeit "shady", confirms that. Even the Q&A I think...

[Master of Zinj]

I strongly agree
Now that Topher seems to be doing a good job the only doubt I have on this film is the cluttering of villains and subplots they might throw into the storyline
3 seem's a bit much but a 4th might ruin it
But the way you describe it makes me feel a little better about the direction they’re taking this movie in.

I sincerely hope they show just a bit of Venom scenes and leave his main actions and plots for a fourth one. We all know Venom is by far the most anticipated spidey villain of them all and it would be a waste if all he gets is a movie with sandman and Harry. It would be unjustifiable that Ock and Goblin get they’re own movies and Venom doesn’t. It would be like making BB2 with Joker, Mr Freeze and poison Ivy. But Raimi is not a big Venom supporter so it’s possible that we wont see venom in the fourth

In 3, it sounds like the main actions and plots for Venom surround Brock himself. Which Raimi probably found a lot more interesting than a vengeful monster, particularly if he wasn't keen on Venom in the first place. But I find that kind of encouraging - it means we'll get another strong character.

I also suspect that we wouldn't see Venom in another movie, although it does sound like doors are being left open for it. And even then, I can't see Venom having 'his own' film after this, because we'd have seen the origin, and probably most of what he can do. I think they'd need a really good story to go with it and not just rehash what Venom does in this film, because story is what these Spider-Man films seem to be centred around. As Sam said when questioned about other Marvel characters, whoever's in a Spider-Man film would need something or someone to interact with, or some other kind of conflict to represent. I'd certainly be interested to hear some ideas on how Venom could be woven into future stories, though...

[Galactical]

Venom's my fav. i hope he gets more time to really get under parker's skin like he likes to do.

unfortunately he'll probably die or seemingly perish at the end. that's usually the fate of anyone who learns peter's spidey in these films. booo...

[Cinemaman]

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=23949



Sometimes I think that Dunst is more like insider than actress or even spoielr-box.

[Lothy]

It pays to prepare you Venom-lovers out there. After all, many sources, albeit "shady", confirms that. Even the Q&A I think...

I guess I was just looking for more of a concrete source. I wouldn't consider myself a "Venom-lover" compared to others on this board I'm sure, but I do enjoy the possibilities he brings.

I guess it might prove useful then to prepare the more "classical" Spidey-fans for the possibility that he may not necessarily come and go as quickly as they'd like him to. ;)

[Aiden]

that..would suck
flat outYeah, the more I think about it, the more I remember it.

Remember those setpics of Kirsten in that White Shirt looking for a cab. Then we had the video of Tobey looking up at MJ's apartment and a cab goes speeding past and he looks at it as if he's just seen something. Then there was the second video (filmed on the same night) and Topher was on set as well and I think he got in the driver's seat of the cab...

[Eddie Brock]

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I remember it.

Remember those setpics of Kirsten in that White Shirt looking for a cab. Then we had the video of Tobey looking up at MJ's apartment and a cab goes speeding past and he looks at it as if he's just seen something. Then there was the second video (filmed on the same night) and Topher was on set as well and I think he got in the driver's seat of the cab...
oh God no
that would suck

by the way: your sig is wrong, its 05/04/07, not 04/05/07

[Spidey&Batsy]

oh God no
that would suck

by the way: your sig is wrong, its 05/04/07, not 04/05/07
I think it is the Europe date! We in Germany also say 04/05/07

[Eddie Brock]

I think it is the Europe date! We in Germany also say 04/05/07
you get it in APRIL?!!
man that sucks

[Spidey&Batsy]

you get it in APRIL?!!
man that sucks
No, we will see it also on the 4 May 2007 but we write it so 04/05/07 and not like the US.

[Cinemaman]

I will see Spider-man 3 on May 3rd :up:

[Eddie Brock]

lucky...people...

[Spidey&Batsy]

I will see Spider-man 3 on May 3rd :up:

I will see it many days earlier! In a press showing:)

[Cinemaman]

I will see it many days earlier! In a press showing:)

You are lucky.

If brother (he is journalist of one of magazines about movies) of my friend let us go with him to see it in a press showing, it will be great :up:

[pedro parkero]

I guess I was just looking for more of a concrete source. I wouldn't consider myself a "Venom-lover" compared to others on this board I'm sure, but I do enjoy the possibilities he brings.

I guess it might prove useful then to prepare the more "classical" Spidey-fans for the possibility that he may not necessarily come and go as quickly as they'd like him to. ;)
Well, yes, I may be one of the guys who feel that Venom really has no business appearing in this movie and should've been left out, but I also hate a waste as much as the next guy. If he's appearing here, then I hope he will pull his own weight in the story. I don't want him to turn into a third wheel (or something that can be left out) because if he did, then the movie wouldn't be solid, and I want my Spidey movies to be perfect...

And for the newbies out there, I'm talking about Venom, not Brock. I like what Brock brings to the table, but I don't think there's time enough in the movie for Venom, unless it's at least 2.2 hours, or they make a crapfest like X3...

And yes, I also believe that killing another villain, much a big star like Venom, is unnecessary.

I also think Venom is the only one of the Spidey characters that has the potential for a spin-off movie, because of the ridiculous fanbase. I admit he's cool visually, though somewhat boring personality-wise...

But like I said, too bad Brock's looking to die in this movie... :p

[Aiden]

oh God no
that would suck

by the way: your sig is wrong, its 05/04/07, not 04/05/07
No, we will see it also on the 4 May 2007 but we write it so 04/05/07 and not like the US.What he said

[spideydave]

I personally believe this will be the best one. Since Alvin Sargent whos written some of the best scenes in the past films, who is an Oscar nominated writer, Is writing the whole script. Raimi did say Venom would be in the last half hour of the film. So its big enough for me! Just trust it you guys! Wait til the Full Trailer and wait for the film! Raimi likes to challenge himself with these movies. And thinks as an artist trying to better himself.

[Mr. Vice]

Don't worry people, Spider-Man 3 will be 3 times better than Spider-Man 2 (no pun intended.)

[TrueBeliever]

When I'd first heard Rami wasn't interested in Venom, I was upset. But after seeing his comments on the character and bringing him into the film on Yahoo (linked through the SHH front page), I understand what he was thinking.

He appreciated the sixties and seventies characters above what was offered for Spidey fans in the nineties. I can understand that. Those classic spidey villains had more character, in my opinion.

Now, I'm not saying Venom didn't need to be in this series. That'd be stupid. But Venom didn't have to come so early in the series. They're treating the franchise as if this is the last film and they needed to throw all their bombs into one spot, which worries me. What also worries me is the quote both Rami and Maguire stated, that they're concluding some story lines and if there are more stories to tell, they'll tell them. What's that supposed to mean?

I'm just saying they could've paced the stories out a little better, or followed Spider-Man continuity, things could've worked out just fine. I'm not sure of the original "sixties and seventies" continuity, but I know Lizard comes up before Venom.

Regardless, this will be a great film, I have no doubt about that. I just wonder how this will affect the following three films.


As always, I still say: "Sinsiter Six for Spider-Man 6!"

[Cmill216]

What also worries me is the quote both Rami and Maguire stated, that they're concluding some story lines and if there are more stories to tell, they'll tell them. What's that supposed to mean?

I just wonder how this will affect the following three films.

Okay, I touched on this very same subject a while back (at least two months ago), so I'm just going to quote myself (:D) with my views on this:

Honestly, as far as the future of the franchise goes, I am as uncertain about it as Sam seemed to be. I think they are packing this movie full, because Sony doesn't know if they truly want to go for 6 films. Maybe they want to get in while the franchise is hot, and not have to deal with possible future diminishing returns. Just go out with a bang, and exit stage left having made one damn good trilogy.


People love to talk about future Spidey films, ONLY in terms of the villains (which proves most fanboys have no business giving their two cents about making films). In reality, it's all about the hero, and what the film's theme does to and for the hero.

Look at it like this (and I'll also use a non-Spidey example):

Spider-Man 1 - The origin
Spider-Man 2 - The "Spider-Man No More" storyline
Spider-Man 3 - The dark side of power/the symbiote

Now look at X-Men:

X-Men - The origin
X2 - The mutant registration act
X3 - The cure

Now, I'm not saying that this is all these franchises could have done. But you have to look at the big picture. You can't just say, "Well, they can have the Lizard in this film, and then Venom and Carnage, or Mysterio, and blah blah blah".

They've missed one of Spidey's defining arcs (The death of Gwen Stacy), but have already taken care of three others (The Goblins, the origin, and the "giving up of powers for personal wants").

I'd like to hear what LOGICAL places they can go from here. I'm not saying there aren't stories (there probably are), but are there stories available for them to truly continue to build upon the film legacy, or would it just become overkill? It's not about the villains. The villains just play their parts in the big thematic picture.

What does the Lizard bring to the table that we didn't see with Ock or Norman? That father figure thing? Done.

Mysterio? Please. Electro? His powers are too generic in the film world. Same goes for Mystique....I mean, Chameleon.

I am not doubting that there will be an SM4. It wouldn't surprise me. But I don't see a whole lot of places for them to go. Just my opinion.

It's not about cliffhangers and "setting up this villain or that villain" or any of that. It's about the film. What is the film about?

Example: Batman Begins very smartly used the Scarecrow as a villain. Why? Because he operates on fear, one of the very themes of the film.

It's not about telling good "hero vs. villain" stories. The villains are pawns in the overall game of chess (and chess = the film).

Sony is not stupid when it comes to this franchise. If they feel like they can't deliver the full, complete goods, they'll stop. Especially considering the budgets can only go up for Spidey films (the law of outdoing yourself with each subsequent film).

[GoldGoblin]

^Maybe they could do the same thing with spidey,and make it where he has to tell his identity to the government,and if he doesn't comply,they send someone(a villain)to capture him.

Like Kraven,but then Dr.Connors turns into the Lizard in the movie.

[TheVileOne]

It means that Spider-man 3 is NOT definitively the end of the movies or the characters as they are now.

[Ironmanfan]

How the hell can you do a Venom only movie and have a Villan throughout the entire picture. Spidey has to wear the suit... turn bad... get rid of the suit... and then you get a Villian. What do you suggest you fill the first half of the god damned movie with. I may be a NOOB but you are a complete dumbass. Think before you come up with this ****. Its Logical to have multiple Villians in a Venom Movie because you gotta have Spidey wear the suit to fight someone.

[WTFimVENOM]

Why are ppl still complaining about Topher being Brock??? Why should Brock be played by somebody huge and muscle clad??? Brock didn't get ripped until after he got f***ed over by Parker and Spiderman!!! WTF?!?! Why are ppl complaining??

[Galactical]

Look at the date this thread was made.

[WTFimVENOM]

Im not the one who revived it, I say lets put this thing to death

[Galactical]

Go for it.