The Official '52' Thread

[BrianWilly]

The fact that they could even manage to keep it a secret for thirty or so weeks when almost everything these days is spoiled on the internet months in advance is a pretty solid feat. Beats the competition all to hell.

[Colossal Spoons]

I guess it was one of those things where they expected us to see the cover and say "Well, that's too obvious. There's probably some twist."

[Mister J]

With the two "Hey, guess what? They're not dead after all" moments this week, the potential for my meaningless outrage if Question dies was just ratcheted up another level.

[Colossal Spoons]

I have no attachment to Charlie so I'd give it a big Meh :o"

[Anubis]

And "where" is Supergirl during all this?

In the future with the Legion of Superheroes.

[Colossal Spoons]

...is she coming back?

[Anubis]

Of course, she's back right now.

Assuming this is the same Supergirl, (And seeing as the Multiverse is back, that's up to debate.) She comes back sometime before the end of 52.

[Kebab gud]

didnt supergirl and powergirl spend most of the year in kandor? as Nightwing and Flamebird.

i thought it was some time before she endeup in the future

[Anubis]

Or after. We are talking about time travel here.

[Kebab gud]

yeah you have a point there ,,
but i have to ask .. wtf is that in your avatar?

[Assassin]

Harvey birdman taking a ****

[SouLeSS]

That's not Harvey, thats Peanut.

[Emerald Knight]

Yeah, it's Peanut and his blossoming superpowers.

[GNR]

Whoo hoo,the MV is back.The aspect I hate most about the DCU.

[sethcohen]

Whoo hoo,the MV is back.The aspect I hate most about the DCU.

anyone have any proof the multiverse is back? if executed correctly it wouldnt be a bad thing...

[BrianWilly]

anyone have any proof the multiverse is back? if executed correctly it wouldnt be a bad thing...It's the secret clue that was hidden in DC Nation at the back of books this week.

[TEDDY]

anyone have any proof the multiverse is back? if executed correctly it wouldnt be a bad thing...

Bump that. How about the appearance of a buck load of Beyonders in "Brave New World"?

[Doc Destruction]

Whoo hoo,the MV is back.The aspect I hate most about the DCU.

Not sure of the hate for the MV. I've always LOVED that part about DC. Opens potential storylines like a mo fo. Plus, we got the Crime Syndicate that way, my FAVORITE villan team ever.

[Tropico]

Bump that. How about the appearance of a buck load of Beyonders in "Brave New World"?

Beyonders? I think you're thinking about the wrong company. I think you mean Monitors.

[TEDDY]

Beyonders? I think you're thinking about the wrong company. I think you mean Monitors.

Tomato/potato. They all watch the universe.

[sinewave]

It's the secret clue that was hidden in DC Nation at the back of books this week.

did you crack the code or is that a guess?

[BrianWilly]

Utter spoilers for the "secret code," shamelessly ripped off from another board.

Take the first letter of every third word, starting with the first.

"This column often hints at many essential facts, but
some"...and so on and so forth.

If you wanna solve it for yourself, don't highlight the below blackouted text.

The secret of Fifty-Two is that the multiverse still exists.
Hnn. Not very much of a spoiler, seeing as how a lot of other titles have already touched on it.:trans:

[Tropico]

Tomato/potato. They all watch the universe.

Errrr, I think you mean the Watchers instead of the Beyonder.

[Darthphere]

I have no idea how.


Easy, they all been fairly predictable and obvious. Not that hard to firgure out.

[Anubis]

Some people like things to be fairly predictable and obvious. Makes them feel smart for having figured it out already.

[Darthphere]

Some people like things to be fairly predictable and obvious. Makes them feel smart for having figured it out already.

:dry:

[Anubis]

Just stating the obvious. :o

[Eros]

Thank you Anubis.

[Anubis]

For what?

[WompuM]

What race of aliens were with Buddy on the asteroid at the end? Those weren't Qwardians were they?

[Kebab gud]

they dont look like them...
on wikipedia it says they where the alians that gave buddy his powers..

[WompuM]

You know, that makes sense and I feel stupid now.

[Purple Man]

They're a lot more than that.

Read the Animal Man series and you'll see that they serve a high power. Not simply a god but Morrison himself.

[cerealkiller182]

could those aliens be the "52" The Guardians on Oa refer to 52 as a being or group or something.

[WompuM]

I read the first volume of animal man, when do they come into play???

[Tropico]

I don't know if 52 is what people are speculating considering that Rip called the number and then count down when they ran away from Skeets. I thought the Multiverse was already back in place since The Kingdom where they introduced Hyper-Time.

[sinewave]

I don't know if 52 is what people are speculating considering that Rip called the number and then count down when they ran away from Skeets. I thought the Multiverse was already back in place since The Kingdom where they introduced Hyper-Time.

that countdown could have been totally unrelated to the real meaning of "52", like they were trying to throw us off.

[Darthphere]

I still say its some type of missing 52 seconds.

[Tropico]

Whatever it is, it doesn't make sense to me that it's what people are saying it is even though it's supposedly spoiled in that column. To me it's something else altogether. If it's what they're saying it is then it makes no sense to me because it has existed since a previous event (at least by my logic). The way the Guardians talked about it also makes me think that it isn't that.

[BrianWilly]

Or 52 remaining "Earths." Oh Christ, why do we need to keep spoiler-tagging that?

I think reintroducing the whole multiverse concept as this awe-inspiring shock awe super secret thing is pretty lame, because there has always been multiverses and there will always be multiverses in superhero genres. Marvel exists in a multiverse, too; they just don't like to admit it. There's always going to be alternate universes, alternate realities, alternate timelines, futures, pasts, presents, whatever the cck you want. "New Earth" didn't negate that anymore than CoIE did, and DC would be naive to believe that anyone thought so.

[Darthphere]

Whatever it is, it doesn't make sense to me that it's what people are saying it is even though it's supposedly spoiled in that column. To me it's something else altogether. If it's what they're saying it is then it makes no sense to me because it has existed since a previous event (at least by my logic). The way the Guardians talked about it also makes me think that it isn't that.

Well the whole point of the original Crisis was to get rid of the Multiverse, and Infinite Crisis had a similar agenda. Of course, its never been a huge secret in the first place if you read JLA #0.

[Kebab gud]

hmm one good thing about the multivers.. they can bring back ice!.....dammit!

[drastic_quench]

Whatever it is, it doesn't make sense to me that it's what people are saying it is even though it's supposedly spoiled in that column. To me it's something else altogether. If it's what they're saying it is then it makes no sense to me because it has existed since a previous event (at least by my logic). The way the Guardians talked about it also makes me think that it isn't that.

"This column often hints at many essential facts, but some secrets are ever important to conceal in our retention of the element of surprise. Therefore, above all objections, our one foremost thought is finally recognized and imaginatively coming to fruition. Right here this stands before you, the heart thumping meaning to what waits at our awe-inspired ending is about to see light. So that there is hardly any confusion, a code was transcribed, one easily translated as a harbinger of facts essential to those multitudes who have unilaterally followed the lives of our tenacious heroes from introduction to their various adventures and efforts. We have rallied around these said heroes, whose existence is the stuff of legend. This column's prime information is to let anyone who loves 52 have essential information to x-ecute a very informed opinion to select simply all the clues for summation.

So there you have it, the secret of 52. All you need to know about the stunning conclusion to our groundbreaking series is stated clearly in the paragraph above. Of course it doesn't touch upon the heartwrenching conclusion to Ralph Dibny's journey, the ramifications of World War Three or the ultimate fate of the space team, but it does give you an essential key to the direction of the DC Universe for the foreseeable future and where many future stories lie."

The first letter of every third word = "the secret of fifty-two is that the multiverse still exists"

[Heretic]

So, the big secret is that nothing was changed by crisis OR Infinite crisis?

Great...thats a blockbuster.

[Tropico]

The first letter of every third word = "the secret of fifty-two is that the multiverse still exists"

Um, yeah. It's what I've been referring to all along except I had it under blackout. But thanks for giving the people for whom it was too much of a hassle to use spoilers until the weekend a reason to not use spoilers anymore.:whatever:

[The Leaguer]

So the big secret is that things are only going to get lamer.

[Doc Destruction]

Reappearance of Multiverse > Superheroes fighting over a stupid law.

Still not seeing why people don't like this idea.

[LouFerignoDemon]

The first letter of every third word = "the secret of fifty-two is that the multiverse still exists"


DAMMIT!!! I was going to try and crack the code! >.<


Thanks. Jerk.

[sinewave]

so this probably means that in another 10-20 years they'll pull another "event" out of their asses that causes to the multiverse to dissapear again. it does open up more story ideas but it's also a letdown that the culmination of the last 3 years is so unoriginal.

[Darthphere]

Reappearance of Multiverse > Superheroes fighting over a stupid law.

Still not seeing why people don't like this idea.

Yeah, the JSA were stupid back then, forgive them.:o :whatever:


Its fairly easy, it makes COIE, and IC infinitely irrelevant. Thanks, I wasted all that money for nothing.

[Anubis]

Well, it makes COIE irrevelant. It's because of what went down in IC that the multiverse is back.

Personally, i'm kinda glad. I've really come to appritiate the multiverse. Not that it was ever really gone or anything. But, there will probally be more crossovers with alternate Earths as a result. Which is why we're getting Kingdom Come in JSA. I'd love to see Supes go up against Supes from Red Son, in continuity to boot.

[Darthphere]

Well, it makes COIE irrevelant. It's because of what went down in IC that the multiverse is back.

Not really. We were lead to believe New Earth was the one single amalgated Earth. Hence why Tangent GL is around in Ion and such.

[sinewave]

Well, it makes COIE irrevelant. It's because of what went down in IC that the multiverse is back.

does this mean they're bringing barry allen and the rest of the fallen heroes from COIE back?

[Darthphere]

does this mean they're bringing barry allen and the rest of the fallen heroes from COIE back?

Barry Allen has been back. For a dead guy he shows up a lot, And wait, whose that, Supergirl? WTF?:o :o :o

[Anubis]

No, it means the Multiverse is back. That's all.

Edit: Darth's right, Barry's been back a ton of times. That's the beauty of time travel. :)

And as far as what we were lead to believe at the end of IC, that's exactly what it is. What we were lead to believe. How was anybody supposed to know that all these alternate Earths were still around? It's not like anybody checked to see if all those Earth's Alex created were gone or anything.

[sinewave]

Barry Allen has been back. For a dead guy he shows up a lot, And wait, whose that, Supergirl? WTF?:o :o :o

true, but i was thinking of more of a full return. i'm sure the idea's been knocked around at dc hq, considering their recent track record with deaths and resurrections.

[Darthphere]

true, but i was thinking of more of a full return. i'm sure the idea's been knocked around at dc hq, considering their recent track record with deaths and resurrections.

Wolfman has a secret clause to bringing Barry back, if they wanted him back, he'd be back.

[Eros]

Wolfman has a secret clause to bringing Barry back, if they wanted him back, he'd be back.


How is it a secret Clause if you know about it?

[Darthphere]

Because the clause itself is not known, we just know one exists. Try again.

[Eros]

Because the clause itself is not known, we just know one exists. Try again.

Try what again, i was just asking a question jeez.

[Doc Destruction]

Yeah, the JSA were stupid back then, forgive them.:o :whatever:


Its fairly easy, it makes COIE, and IC infinitely irrelevant. Thanks, I wasted all that money for nothing.

Really? I spent my money on two very well written events, so I'm pretty happy about it.

[Doc Destruction]

Try what again, i was just asking a question jeez.

Don't mind DP, he's fiesty today from arguing in the CW thread.

[LouFerignoDemon]

There was no argument. He's riled up because I riled him up.

[sinewave]

'phere's full of piss and vinegar today. he used to just be full of vinegar...

[BrianWilly]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=98182

5.2 OR SO ABOUT 52 #37 WITH MICHAEL SIGLAIN

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So – this week’s 52…

Did you see that coming?

Just in case – for those who wandered in by accident, haven’t read the issue, or just get their rocks off by complaining about them when they’re not here…

SPOILER WARNING

Okay – so…what happened? Skeets attacked Supernova and Rip Hunter in Kandor…and Supernova revealed himself to be…Booster Gold. Explanations followed. Oliver Queen pined for Black Canary, and they held a funeral for Animal Man in space.

Oh, and after the others were gone, Animal Man woke up.

It’s time to hit up 52 Editor Michael Siglain for some answers and thoughts.

Newsarama: First off - and just to kill any conspiracy theories - was Supernova Booster all along? At any time were the Captain Atom/Armageddon 2001 protocols ever invoked?

Michael Siglain: Yep, the cat is officially out of the bag: Supernova is indeed Booster Gold. To those of you out there who were able to figure it out -- Congrats! To those of you who thought it was Rip Hunter or Ray Palmer or the surprise mystery hero behind door number 3 -- Gotcha!

NRAMA: How, specifically, is Rip talking? We didn't ask last week, because we didn't want to make fun of what could've been seen as a speech impediment, but what's going on - Is he living so fast that he's speaking too fast to be heard coherently?

MS: Rip has been on the run, racing through the timestream in an attempt to both avoid and stop Skeets. The pressure and stress that Rip is under has given him what Mark Waid dubbed as, "chronal Tourette's" sound. Say, that’s catchy. Thanks, Mark.

NRAMA: "Klik Klik" and the atomic energy signature - so Supernova/Booster is using the Atom's belt. If so - is that a tie in to the Atom series, where there's some question as to whose belt the current Atom is using?

MS: Supernova/Booster is certainly using one of Ray Palmer's belts, but whether or not it’s connected to the current Atom remains to be seen...

NRAMA: As for Booster’s explanation – basically then, what we saw in Week 6, even though we were seeing Rip's cave from Booster's point of view, wasn't the full story?

MS: Precisely. Week 6 showed us Booster discovering the clues in Rip's cave, but what it didn't show us was the complete scene, in which Rip appeared so that he could warn Booster about Skeets.

NRAMA: What was the truth Rip told Booster? Is Skeets really Skeets? Booster seems to raise the point when he makes the joke about having to play dumb...

MS: The truth is this: "It's all his fault."

NRAMA: A reference to the ambiguous arrows pointing at the picture of Booster and Skeets in Rip’s cave?

MS: Bingo. As we've seen, Skeets definitely hasn't been his usual robotic self. Skeets has clearly been turned to the dark side. And yes, we'll eventually see what set him off...all in good time, of course.

NRAMA: Of course. Okay – pretend that we’re a touch slow, and draw it out for us and those in the back of the room - at the point of the explosion where he “died,” Booster was moved back 12 weeks earlier to week 3ish, but he laid low until week 8ish as Supernova?

MS: Rip transported Booster back in time during week 15, when Booster supposedly died. They went back about 12 weeks to prepare for the battle with Skeets. Of course, only Skeets and Rip know that Booster isn't really dead...

NRAMA: So - as per Booster's confession - all of his "Supernova" powers were applications of the Phantom Zone Projector technology? Can you explain that a little more? Say, the teleportation...?

MS: Sure, I can. But I won’t.

NRAMA: But c’mon – your writers had a Phantom Zone projector at a meeting for reference – we have pictures…

MS: Alright, alright - since the Supernova-is-Booster reveal is so big and important to 52, allow me bring in extra-special guest star Mark Waid to explain some of the details that some of our readers might’ve missed along the way. Mark?

Mark Waid: I'll take this one if it’s okay, Mike.

MS: Absolutely, Mark. You’ve got the mic.

MW: All the non-Booster powers we've seen in Supernova so far can be chalked up to applied Phantom Zone tech. The teleportation of civilians during the Rain, for example, was pure Phantom Zone action--shunting a crowd into the Zone, then re-opening the rift a few miles away, safely out of town. A dangerous gambit on Supernova's part, but necessary.

And since folks are asking, here are some of the more significant clues that led Ralph to link Booster and Supernova. None of them, individually, are exactly courtroom-worthy, but together, assembled by the mind of one of the world's greatest detectives and someone who knows Booster personally, they added up logically in Ralph's keen mind--and while he wasn't certain, Booster confirmed his theory during their brief meeting in week 31.

First off, both Booster and Supernova wear star insignias. A small touch, but a tiny corroborative hint, a link between the two men that's so subliminal that I'm not sure even Booster realizes it.

Second, once Ralph realized that Supernova's powers could conceivably be Phantom Zone related, he realized that (a) with Superman absent, the Fortress of Solitude would be extra-susceptible to burglary, and (b) Booster's entire m.o. is to create superhero identities by stealing other people's stuff. (When Ralph said, "Superman being out of the picture was the key. One of two keys, if you want to get cute about it," he was referring to the Fortress Key, visible on page 8.) Of all the heroes in the DCU, Booster's closest origin ties have always been to Superman, so it's not a stretch that Ralph's pondering the Phantom Zone projector in the hands of a super-heroic thief would, at the very least, put Booster's name on Ralph's list of suspects.

Third, when he's calm, Ralph's not stupid. He's known Booster a long time, and as Ralph went into his less crazified Act Two and reflected on how Booster had been acting in earlier weeks, he saw with a new perspective that things didn't add up. All you readers who were screaming early on that Booster was acting out of character, give yourselves a gold star--you were exactly right. A lot of Booster's actions were intended to elevate Supernova in the public consciousness by making Booster look like a jerk. But Ralph, when he's thinking straight, knows that even Booster isn't stupid enough to actually bounce a check to a super-villain. Plus, as Ralph saw when he started assembling the clues...gee, how convenient IS it that the new kid in town shows up out of nowhere just in time to nail shut the coffin of Booster's reputation? Ralph's nose was twitching just on that point.

Fourth, and really kind of a throwaway clue falling into the category of "things that seem obvious once you make your hypothesis," Booster went out like an exploding star ( a.k.a....class? Anyone?). Really, in retrospect, it was a moment staged with characteristic Booster subtlety.

Dude's always got to have an audience, even in suicide.

NRAMA: Okay – thanks Mark. Back over to you Mike - Skeets ate the Phantom Zone? Wait - we've been hungry before...but what? How'd he do that?

MS: Surprised, weren't you? If Skeets can eat the Phantom Zone, then he’s got to be pretty powerful. Guess that means that Booster and Rip have their work cut out for them...

NRAMA: Well yeah, but come on – for Skeets, even a totally rehabbed Skeets, that’s a crazy amount of power and hitherto unseen capability…

MS: All right, all right. Ponder this, internet junkies: if Supernova is Booster, then what makes you think that this Skeets is really the Skeets--the one that we've come to know and love?

NRAMA: Got it – and the folks pictured in the Phantom Zone – or, as the kids call it, “the Pee Zee” - Zod, Ursa, Non and Chris from Action?

MS: Observant as ever, Mr. Brady.

Do kids really call it the “Pee Zee.”

NRAMA: So we hear. Okay – the strategic retreat…which looked a lot like fleeing in abject terror…should we be asking “where” they went, or “when?” After all, he’s not Rip Hunter, Master of Geography…

MS: Where they went is a very good question. “When” they went might be the better question...

NRAMA: Jumping ahead to Buddy's funeral - okay - they know he has a wife and kids. They're headed to earth. The threat, they figure, is gone - smooth sailing. They're in space, i.e., Buddy's weight isn't really an issue. Why leave him where he'll never be found? Why is Adam so worried about contamination?

MS: Technically, the threat is gone, but Adam has to be sure. The space heroes have been through Hell, and Adam is not going to risk his life--or Starfire's--in order to bring back the body of their dead colleague. Adam has to be sure that the threat is gone.

NRAMA: Finally then for this issue - for the kids – you want to explain who those yellow aliens with lousy style sense are, and why they sent a shiver down the spines of the older readers?

MS: Okay, this one's for the children in the audience. Those two yellow aliens are the ones who gave Buddy Baker his powers. If you haven't read the stories--and you should--check out the Animal Man trade paperbacks (Animal Man, Animal Man: Deus ex Machina, Animal Man: Origin of the Species) by none other than Grant Morrison, himself!

NRAMA: So Buddy’s story isn’t over yet?

MS: Not by a long shot.

NRAMA: Okay - that will wrap it for this week - over to you for the tease.

MS: All right, gang. We had a big week this week: we learned the true identity of Supernova and found out that Animal Man wasn't dead after all...like we would've really killed him off. I mean, really. It's not like we go around killing characters is it?

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Week38/52_38.p10.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Week38/52_38.p11.jpg

NRAMA: Ummm...

MS: Okay, that might've been a bad example. Let's change tactics. How ‘bout a little dialogue? Feast your eyes and glut your soul on this little ditty:

"Imagine the unification of science and religion, in the form of unstoppable death machines..."

Oooh, spooky. But you're having trouble imaging it, you say? Well, then get a gander of this creepy cover from J.G. Jones and Alex Sinclair:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Week38/52-Cv38.jpg

MS: That's all you get this week, gang. Be here next week, when a bug will talk, and a scientist will eat far too many beans, and we'll hear someone utter these famous words: "They have the phones tapped. They're watching me almost every second of the day." Heh. I know the feeling...

NRAMA: Whoa there Mike – one last thing…

MS: But I was going to get cookies…

NRAMA: This week in his “DC Nation” column, Dan Didio wrote that the entire column was a clue for 52, and apparently had a coded message. Now, when the Newsarama board is not currently engaged in a debate about the merits of a certain artist, which character shouldn’t have died, which character should have died, and why everything would be better if things would just change back to the way they were when everyone was 12…there’s a vast amount of knowledge hereabouts.

MS: Is there a point coming here?

NRAMA: Indubitably. A poster named Logan wrote:


Hi all. My name is Logan, and I just wanted to let you know that I decoded the clue in this week's DC Nation column. It's a big SPOILER...
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Okay, so here's what you do. Take every third word, and you get this:

This hints essential some ever conceal retention element therefore objections foremost finally imaginatively fruition this you thumping what our is see that hardly a transcribed translated harbinger essential multitudes unilaterally lives tenacious introduction various efforts rallied said existence stuff this information let loves essential x-ecute informed select the summation.

See it yet? Okay, last SPOILER warning...
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Now take the first letter of each word, and you get this:

"The secret of fifty two is that the multiverse still exists"

Can you comment on the veracity of this translation, Mr. 52 Editor?

MS: So...a 52 code in the DC Nation column? Let’s see...if you take 52, and make that 5-2 you get 3, and if you take the first letter of every third word, you get...Hey! Look at that! It does spell out a secret message!

Huh. Guess it’s not a coincidence that DiDio’s out of the office today. Gonna have to have a word with him...

[WompuM]

I suppose those are the horsemen??? Are there only 3 on that cover?
Looks like Optimus Prime

[Darthphere]

There was no argument. He's riled up because I riled him up.

Rile me up? Hardly. All I was syaing is if you're in such a ****ing bad mood, theres no reason why we have to put up with it. Logically speaking.

[Darthphere]

Really? I spent my money on two very well written events, so I'm pretty happy about it.'

Yeah, earth shattering universe changing events that at the end of the day, are now deemed irrelevant. You must go to a restaurant and spend $30 a plate for food and say, I'm not full at all, but it tasted great.

Don't mind DP, he's fiesty today from arguing in the CW thread.

I'm always fiesty, whats really new?:huh:

[Dope Nose]

Because the clause itself is not known, we just know one exists. Try again.

courtesy of http://marvwolfman.com

This is what I proposed to DC back in 1985. Please note that I didn't think it was a good idea to kill The Flash but those were my marching orders, so I did the best I could to make his death as moving as I could. Here is the given I worked from: Much of the reason the people in charge didn't care for Barry Allen was that he was considered dull. I felt if I could come up with a way of making him vital again while keeping him alive, then perhaps Barry would be given a second lease on life. I came up with the idea of Flash moving back through time, flashing into our dimension even as he was dying. So, thought I, what if Barry was plucked out of the time stream at one of those moments he appeared? What if that meant from this point on Barry knew that he was literally living on borrowed time, that at any moment the time stream could close in on him and take him to his inevitable death. What would this mean to Barry? 1: from now on the fastest man alive would literally be running for his life. 2: He knew he didn't have much time left and believed (as Barry would) that he had to devote it to helping others. 3: This meant Barry would become driven and desperate to help others with each passing tick of the clock. I felt this new revitalized attitude might be enough to make the formerly dull police scientist into someone who now had to push himself as he never had to before. I was hoping that this would make the character interesting enough to live. Earlier, I said my explanation was comic booky. In many ways it is because none of us knows when we are going to die. But this knowledge would haunt a man like Barry Allen and change him from an unassuming character into a driven hero. At least that was the plan!

[Darthphere]

Nice find.:up:

[Doc Destruction]

Yeah, earth shattering universe changing events that at the end of the day, are now deemed irrelevant. You must go to a restaurant and spend $30 a plate for food and say, I'm not full at all, but it tasted great.

You act as though NOTHING came of either event. I say thee nay. Lots did, and lots of crunchy goodness, IMO.

[Doc Destruction]

Oh, and here comes Leaguer to point out all the bad stuff that came out of IC, of which we all already know about and most of which has already been corrected, minus Hal. Which, is a good thing, IMO anyway.

[Darthphere]

You act as though NOTHING came of either event. I say thee nay. Lots did, and lots of crunchy goodness, IMO.

Sure, stuff came out of the event, just like stuff came out of Civil War, doesn;t change the fact that the main purpose of each event is now irrelevant.

The thing is, I like the multiverse, Crime Syndicate and Captain Carrot all that stuff. I just dont like being toyed with.

[batnkevlar]

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Yeah, earth shattering universe changing events that at the end of the day, are now deemed irrelevant. You must go to a restaurant and spend $30 a plate for food and say, I'm not full at all, but it tasted great.



I'm always fiesty, whats really new?:huh:

Well the analogy is better, saying that you did eat it, as you did read the comic, but you **** out most of it, as we do anyway with our food. It tasted good, and got a little nutrients outta it, but that was it...

yup, food analogy only works so much. I say it was awrite...

[Darthphere]

You're disgusting. Stop posting filth like that here. ****ting and such.

[The Leaguer]

Oh, and here comes Leaguer to point out all the bad stuff that came out of IC, of which we all already know about and most of which has already been corrected, minus Hal. Which, is a good thing, IMO anyway.

What's been corrected? :confused:

[Darthphere]

I'm just glad Booster is back, now its time for zombie Ted Kord. Think of the laughs!

[drastic_quench]

DAMMIT!!! I was going to try and crack the code! >.<


Thanks. Jerk.
No prob.

[Emerald Knight]

I'm just glad Booster is back, now its time for zombie Ted Kord. Think of the laughs!

Yup, now we just need to see the two playing video games while Ted keeps trying to take a chunk out of Booster.

[sinewave]

rip should go back and save ted kord from being killed. there's no reason he couldn't.
cue leaguer with some moronic comment.

[Doc Destruction]

What's been corrected? :confused:

The Nightwing nightmare is over, Jason Todd is no longer an octopus monster and it looks like the Flash is actually going to fight his rogues, rather than some lame new character.

[The Leaguer]

Why would I bother pointing that out? When was the last time I said anything about Nightwing sucking or Jason Todd? I don't think I've complained about Flash in a month or so, aside from a passing "Flash sucks" maybe a few weeks ago.

[Manic]

Yup, now we just need to see the two playing video games while Ted keeps trying to take a chunk out of Booster.
Ha! Shaun of the Dead.

[Emerald Knight]

Ha! Shaun of the Dead.

Somebody got my reference!

You, my good sir, are now the prestigious owner of these 50, count 'em, 50 points! :woot:

Don't spend 'em all in one place ;)

[BrianWilly]

I think it's utterly hilarious that people think getting rid of the multiverse or bringing it back or something was somehow the main point of Infinite Crisis. Utterly fcking hilarious. It's no wonder y'all didn't like it when you completely missed the point.

And I mean that in the nicest way possible:):):)!

[SpideyInATree]

This latest week of 52 I'd describe as the "HA! You thought I was dead but I'm not dead, *****" week.

With the revelation of Supernova to have been Booster the whole time makes things, well...things made a little sense after that. But it was pretty cool to see Booster taking on Skeets. Also, ANIMAL MAN IS NOT DEAD!! HA! I knew it was too good to be true. Just when I was getting down on DC for killing mofos off left and right they bring two back in one issue.

Anybody have any idea who those two weird ass aliens were with Animal Man? :huh:

[The Question]

They're the ones who gave Animal Man his powers in the first place. They're alien techno-shamans and emessairies of the great cosmic force that is Grant Morrison.

[SpideyInATree]

Ok, that puts things into a better perspective. Those aliens definitely do look like something that Grant Morrison would come up with.

[Darthphere]

I think it's utterly hilarious that people think getting rid of the multiverse or bringing it back or something was somehow the main point of Infinite Crisis. Utterly fcking hilarious. It's no wonder y'all didn't like it when you completely missed the point.

And I mean that in the nicest way possible:):):)!

But it was the point of COIE.:o Fact.

[The Leaguer]

HA! I knew it was too good to be true.

I don't think you used that right, unless you actually wanted Animal Man to die.

[SpideyInATree]

Yeah, I meant something else. I didn't want him to die.

[The Leaguer]

Only assh***es wanted him to die. You hear that, assh***es?

[Tropico]

Only assh***es wanted him to die. You hear that, assh***es?

What about the Question?

[Emerald Knight]

He's not dead...yet.

[Tropico]

I know that. What I want to know is if the same adjective applies to those that would want the Question dead.

[Emerald Knight]

ah...I see. Carry on then. :)

[The Leaguer]

What about the Question?

Yeah, pretty much the same thing, except those assh***es aren't quite as bad.

[BrianWilly]

But it was the point of COIE.:o Fact.Yes, you're right, I totally mentioned CoIE anywhere at all in my post:confused:.

[The Leaguer]

I saw it.

[BrianWilly]

And I thought I hid it really well:(. Right next to the invisible pink unicorns and flying spaghetti monster.

[Tropico]

Yeah, pretty much the same thing, except those assh***es aren't quite as bad.

Yaaaaaaaaaayyy!:D I'm a not quite as bad assh***e!:D:up::D

[Heretic]

Personally speaking...having never been much of a Dc fan until recently....I think this all sucks.

Prior to Identity Crisis the only DC books I bought were Wonder Woman and Flash...both of which were ruined by all this mess...BUT...at least we were told a cool story...but that story has nullified a death...more nullifications probably on the way and brought back the stupid multiverse.

Ugh. I dont like it at all...but Im already over halfway invested in the story, might as well ride it out.

[Kitsune]

Personally speaking...having never been much of a Dc fan until recently....I think this all sucks.

Prior to Identity Crisis the only DC books I bought were Wonder Woman and Flash...both of which were ruined by all this mess...BUT...at least we were told a cool story...but that story has nullified a death...more nullifications probably on the way and brought back the stupid multiverse.

Ugh. I dont like it at all...but Im already over halfway invested in the story, might as well ride it out.
The mutliverse was pretty much already back. When Captain Atom can go to the Wildstorm universe. Then we had the JLI stories with Mitch Wacky and Bluejay and Silver Sorceress, that pretty much ignored the fact that the Multiverse was gone. Earth 2 reintroduced Ultra-man, Owl Man and Superwoman, so I think the multiverse was gone in name only.

[Heretic]

I always thought that we were supposed to assume that the characters lived on while their original worlds were gone from existence. Im not claiming to be right about that...as I said, I am only a recent convert to DC, but this makes me want to unconvert...geesh, that isnt even a word

[yenaled]

The multiverse never went away.

Even Kingdom Come has now been shown to be another universe with JSA introducing it into DCU continuity.

In that aspect we can assume; Red Son, The Nail, Gotham by Gaslight, Secret Identity, et al. are all other universes.

[Manic]

Heretic, you're not a DC convert from Marvel, are you? Becauce us Marvel-heads* have so many universes, it's ri-goddamn-diculous.



*I'm a mostly Marvel reader who started picking up a lot more DC books once that damn Civil War thing started.

[1987olds442]

Since the multiverse is back I wonder if they will ever remember that there was a Milestone Universe with Icon, Static Shock, etc. ... I remember and still have the crossover books from back in the 90's. It would be cool to see some of those characters brought into the mainstream DC Universe.

[WompuM]

I just hope the DCAU gets its own Earth

[yenaled]

Since the multiverse is back I wonder if they will ever remember that there was a Milestone Universe with Icon, Static Shock, etc. ... I remember and still have the crossover books from back in the 90's. It would be cool to see some of those characters brought into the mainstream DC Universe.

They have been in discussion with Milestone for years, there are far too many legal issues for that to be cleared up quickly.

[Darthphere]

They have been in discussion with Milestone for years, there are far too many legal issues for that to be cleared up quickly.

Including Levitz being a lying *******.

[yenaled]

hahaha yes.

He is speaking to Dwayne McDuffie right now about it!

[Darthphere]

hahaha yes.

He is speaking to Dwayne McDuffie right now about it!

LOL! How embarassing. Like he expected McDuffie to stay quiet and be like yeah we talk all the time!:huh:

[Varient]

So,.. Exactly what was the deal with Milstone and why was it canned by the parent company?

[yenaled]

LOL! How embarassing. Like he expected McDuffie to stay quiet and be like yeah we talk all the time!:huh:

It's was a really odd situation. Like Levitz just said a default response without even thinking, like he was on autopilot.

I bet he regretted it when McDuffie came out of the woodwork.

[Darthphere]

So,.. Exactly what was the deal with Milstone and why was it canned by the parent company?

Um, low sales.

[LinternaVerde]

They're the ones who gave Animal Man his powers in the first place. They're alien techno-shamans and emessairies of the great cosmic force that is Grant Morrison.

and they know about the multiverse... or something...

from the pages of morrison's animal man!

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8896/animalman12236vy.jpg

[The Leaguer]

What is this Levitz/McDuffie nonsense?

[1987olds442]

What is this Levitz/McDuffie nonsense?I think that was in response to my wondering whatever happened to the Milestone universe and characters... my bad :woot:

[The Leaguer]

No, I mean, what is the deal behind it. What transpired.

[WompuM]

It's been a hot topic as of late.

[Tropico]

I wanna know, too!:cmad:

[The Leaguer]

It's been a hot topic as of late.

So explain that s***.

[yenaled]

At some panel at some comic-con I can't remember which one; someone asked Paul Levitz what was going on with Milestone and would any of the characters be showing up in the future. Levitz said;

"We keep talking about it. Nothing’s come together yet. Dwayne McDuffie has been talking to Dan about bringing him into the DCU. But Dwayne’s had some health issues.”

Dwayne McDuffie’s obviously heard about this and posted on his forum;

"…If Paul actually did imply that my illness interfered with ongoing negotiations, he has been misinformed.
It’s been over three years since anyone from from DC Comics has spoken to me about using Static in the DCU. Dan DiDio and I had a single, preliminary discussion. I heard nothing else from DC until I was called on the phone a few weeks later by someone introducing herself as “the editor of Static Shock.” I informed her that this seemed premature, as no agreement had been made between DC and Milestone. Since that call, I’ve heard nothing further on the matter from Dan or anyone else at DCU.
Despite what has been reported here and elsewhere, there are no current negotiations for the use of Static in the DCU, nor has DC made any serious attempt to reopen negotiations."

and thank you Google for providing me with the real quotes.

[The Leaguer]

Oh yeah, I kinda remember that now. Silly Levitz.

[Tropico]

Levitz got...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v661/DDude/Owned/half.jpg

...a little there.:o

Thanks, Yen!:D:up:

[The Leaguer]

Hahahaha, the upside-down "mommy" was perfect.

[WompuM]

hulk looks tribal there

[Jake-El]

Look, I know this is going to get me flamed but what is PWNED? I know it has something to do with being OWNED, but where the f does the "P" come from?

[The Question]

"Pwned" is just a mispelling of owned. Someone tried to write owned, but hit the P by accident. People thought it was funny.

[Jake-El]

umk......Obviously it is one of those "had to be there" moments. lol. But thanks for the info.

[WompuM]

theres a lot of those on here.

[yenaled]

The upside down mommy makes it.

No problem Trop :D

[Dope Nose]

http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000103971&tstart=0

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=98624

mazingman728's week 38 spoilers

Good Da’ Mate, an welcome back ta another week of fun and festivities in da land a 52. I was talkin’ ta a mate a mine da other day an he said “Maze why don’tcha take it easy on da spoilers dare a just say it was another week in da ol’ DCU” and I said “naw dan’ aint no spoiler…now dis, dis is a Spoiler”. So join me dawnunder as we throw another Spoiler on da barbie… Oh an I still ‘aven’t been able to find me dat Tornado head ‘round here.

That opening is a special dedication for all those under the impression that I’m an Aussie. It’s a nice country that I would enjoy visiting someday but sorry folks, I’m not an Aussie; I’m American made with Scottish parts.



Cover has three of the Four Horsemen; Death, War, Pestilence.

The ticker at the bottom reads “The Horsemen have come!...The end is near!…”

Bennett and Jadson are the pencilers. The Origin of Red Tornado by Mark Waid and Phil Jimenez

Week 38, Day 1
Himalayas: Renee is on a truck with Charlie trying to find how to get to Nanda Parbat. They find a place to stay for the night and Renee attempts to feed Charlie some soup.
Renee: Please, Charlie. Just a sip.
Charlie: cckckssh poison “kaff”
Renee: Please, Baby, you gotta keep your strength up.
Charlie: You hshhh think I don’t rRrcKkk know stupid crkkrs girl “kaff kaff kaff. Hrm heh stupid girl…

Week 38, Day 2
Oolong Island: A ship arrives with a load of 300 thermometers that nobody knows who ordered them. Magnus shows up and says “lead shieldings mine. And the beans. And I’ll take the thermometer if nobody wants ‘em”. Morrow shows up to meet with Magnus. Magnus says that he is working on a new Plutonium Man since the first one turned out to be such a disaster. Morrow notices that Magnus seems “a lot more perky, shall we say, since they took away your medication. While Magnus and Morrow continue to talk you see a large stack of empty bean cans as that is all Magnus appears to be eating. Morrow and Magnus then join the others for the revealing of the Four Horsemen. Out come Death, Pestilence and War. When Morrow asks what happened to the fourth Horseman he is told “Yurrd the Unknown, The…the Hunger-Lord rode out before the others.

Week 38, Day 3
Himalayas: Renee is pulling Charlie on a sled up the mountains to another viallage.
Charlie: Wh-wh-who “nffgg d-d-do you think you are? D-d-don’t hkrk know hnurrh don’t know anything…just…ju-u-st shoot kkkuuhh y-y-you in the he-head…kaff dump your b-b-body hrkkhh rkkkk buh kkyxx butter…butterflies
Renee makes it to the village with Charlie and asks the locals for help on which way to go.

Week 38, Day 4
Steelworks: John Henry, Gabe, Dr. Midnite, Kala and Beast Boy are examining the body of one of the Everyman Heroes that died when they are buzzed by a mechanical dragonfly. The dragonfly was created by Natasha as a way to communicate with the others since she is being watched and her phones are tapped. Natasha tells John that she will get all she can on Luthor and that she is sorry for everything.

Week 38, Day 5 and Day 6
Himalayas: Renee is still pulling Charlie through the snow when they are met by a heavy snow storm. Renee places the Question mask on Charlie as a way to help keep him warm. AS she continues to pull the sled she ends up falling and the sled knocks over rolling Charlie into the snow. Renee pushes the sled over, holds her hands to her face and starts to cry.
Charlie: You never answered the question.
Renee: Aahh! Ch-Charlie?
Charlie: Get this kaff koff thing off my face. Hard enough to breathe as it is. What the hell kaff are you doing Renee?
Renee: Trying…trying to get us to Nada Parbat. Trying to save you, Charlie.
Charlie: But you can’t. I told you…some things you have to accept…
Renee: I can’t! I can’t! I need you—I don’t know who I am without you!
Charlie: It’s a trick question, Renee…not who ARE you kaff but who are you going to become? Time to change…like a butterfly.

The winds calm down and you see that they are outside of Nada Parbat with a figure approaching them.



NEXT IN 52: Ralph looking at a bearded man, Egg Foo and the Mad Scientists, Natasha looking pretty beat up.
Next Weeks cover is Luthor flying in space doing that Superman thing.

The following is from an ad in the latest edition of Previews for World War 3 which will give us a bit more insight into the war.

One Year Later. You all remember it, that defining moment when all the stories of the DC Universe jumped from the events of Infinite Crisis to a time where lives of our heroes were dramatically changed. Most changes came without explanation as we watched our heroes deal with the ramifications in an attempt to rebuild their lives. But what happened? What caused this seismic change to the status quo? What transformed so many heroes?
For nearly a year we left those questions unanswered, but now their story can be told. We have hinted as it and left hushed clues as we watched the missing year slowly revealed in our mega-hit 52. In 52, we have seen a world that exists without Superman, batman and Wonder Woman, and now with 52 #50, we will see a world at war.
World War 3, the World vs. Black Adam, the meta-human war that swept across the globe. Fast and vicious, its not surprising that it altered the lives of so many of our heroes.
More devastating than a nuclear holocaust we witness the unbridled rage Black Adam as he carves a hell bent path of destruction. His story will be told in 52, but the effects of his wrath are so far reaching that we needed to create a special four part story to fully show its impact.
World War Three: A Call To Arms; The Valiant; Hell is for Heroes and United We Stand will hit stands the same weeks as 52 #50. Like I said, it’s a fast war but incredibly far reaching. The four parts, written by Keith Champagne (JSA) and John Ostrander (Suicide Squad) and drawn by Pat Olliffe, Andy Smith, Tom Derenick and Jack Jadson, featuring, well, just about everyone.
SO join us, as we uncover the secrets behind Firestorm, Martian Manhunter and Aquaman’s transformations, and reveal the tragedies of Batgirl and the Teen Titans. And now that I think about it, just how did Jason Todd become Nightwing?
Here’s your chance to find out, if you were excited by One Year Later, captivated by 52 and a fan of the DC Universe, April 18 is the week of comics you can’t miss.
Oh, one last thing, if you are wondering whatever happened after Dick proposed to Barbara Gordon, give a look to Nightwing Annual #2 also on sale in April. You won’t be disappointed.

To be continued.
Dan Didio

[Tropico]

Look, I know this is going to get me flamed but what is PWNED? I know it has something to do with being OWNED, but where the f does the "P" come from?

I actually looked it up after seeing it a couple of times. Apparently it comes mostly from online tournament games (like Doom and Halo). When people beat others they would type 'OWNED' but as you can see on your keyboard it's easy to accidentally replace one later with the other. It caught on and people have used it since.

[1987olds442]

http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000103971&tstart=0

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=98624

mazingman728's week 38 spoilers

Sounds like Magnus is building new Metal Men

[1987olds442]

Was week 38 boring? Nobody posted anything about this weeks ... I read the newarama article but I haven't picked up my issue yet. I get mine on the weekends.

[BrianWilly]

It was more an emotional clinch issue, as opposed to last week's big revelations. We finally see the Horsemen, and the Renee/Question story reaches what I'm assuming is the climax.

[Joker]

so is Question dead? and if so, why bring him back, try to make him mainstream and bad ass, establish a wider fan base, then just kill him off? him and Montoya's story is the only one n 52 that I really give a crap about (oh no, animal man is lost in space! and a captain marvel rip off is now good instead of evil! and booster gold...well, still pretty much sucks..)...if they kill question, I'm gonna be pissed :cmad:

[sinewave]

this doesn't really have anything to do with 52, but i'm psyched that montoya is gonna be in the next batman movie, according to this site (http://www.latinoreview.com/news.php?id=1369).

[BrianWilly]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=99043

5.2 (OR SO) ABOUT 52 #38 WITH MICHAEL SIGLAIN

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A downer week for DC’s 52 this week as Montoya takes the dying Question on what looks to be a hopeless trek to the Himalayas, three of the four Horsemen are revealed, Natasha gets ready to make a move within the bowels of Lexcorp, and Dr. Will Magnus eats beans.

Lots of beans.

They are the magical fruit, after all.

As in weeks past, we caught up with Editor Michael Siglain to talk about the specifics of the issue.

Newsarama: At the start - Charlie – is he full-on delusional, or is his dialogue something readers should be trying to piece together? Don't want folks spending time trying to decipher the meaning of a dying man's words if they don't have too, after all...

Michael Siglain: In the opening two pages we are witnessing Charlie's last moments before his untimely death. We are seeing, firsthand, the horror of what cancer can do to a man, mentally and physically. That's the only meaning we are meant to decipher.

NRAMA: Moving along then…hey - did the evil scientists mean to create Robocop v2 as one of the Horsemen?

MS: Robocop? The Horsemen would make mincemeat of Robocop! C'mon, Matt. I think you need to take a second look as them. I see neither Robocop nor ED-209. I see abominations. They're vicious, brutal and evil, and like Egg Fu says, "They are unstoppable!"

NRAMA: Alright, we kid, we kid...but seriously - can you pull back the curtain and perhaps tell us a few of the design elements that the writer of that section gave for the horsemen?

MS: Absolutely. The original description of them was so damn cool that I'd be happy to share it with the masses. Be advised, though, that the names have been changed to protect the innocent. In other words, I took out the parts that you guys can't see...yet. And now, I give you the Horsemen:

[The Horsemen] are terrible figures in the light. Roggra leads the pack, huge like a tank, shouldering forward and bristling with swiveling gun turrets and red targeting laser sights. He’s covered in weapons which unlatch on articulated arms from hatches all over his body. [He has a] huge red eye rotating in the center of his head surrounded by a corona of smaller lenses all over the helmeted head. With all the guns moving in and out of his armor, [he is] armed and armored to the max--afraid to touch the world except aggressively.

Zorrm should have big plague tanks on his back and pipes coming off him and leading in cannon hands which spray defoliant, contagion and corrosion. Maybe this creature has some elements of Chemo in his design.

The third form is Azruez. He carries a Kirby-style scythe weapon. His face is skull-like with a single pearl-colored lens as an eye set in a black helmet black. The breastplate of his armor has a red rose symbol upon the breast. Too tall and stooping to be normal. Simple and scary as [Hell]. He’s covered in fine cracks.

The Horsemen should be really monstrous – cool hell-creatures with industrial grime and tubing, armor plating and synthetic flesh, incredible war-suits and all embodying the Doom they represent in as iconic a way as possible.

So that was how the writers originally imagined the Horsemen. Sketches were then done by cover artist J.G. Jones, and interior artists Chris Batista and Joe Bennett. We took all of those terrifying and outrageous designs, put them in a blender, hit frappe, and out came the horrible death-monsters that you see in week 38. Obviously, we haven't seen the end of them yet!

NRAMA: What about their nature? After all, these are what the scientists have been working on, so are they pure technology that has gained sentience, or a techno/magical mix?

MS: This is indeed the project that the scientists have been working on. We've been hinting at this way back when, and it's mentioned (as Project X) in week 29, but it's not until week 38 that we get our first glimpse of their terror. As for what that they are, they are flesh, technology, magic, and metal. To quote Obi-Wan, "[They're] more machine now, than man...twisted and evil."

NRAMA: Will Magnus - off his meds - is disturbing. What's he like without his anti-depressants compared to being with them?

MS: Magnus off his meds is like Grant Morrison on a Tuesday: ahead-of-his-time-brilliant and mad as a hatter. We haven't seen the full extent of Magnus's crazed genius. Or Grant’s.

NRAMA: Egg F...er, Chang Tzu's reading about the Horsemen from the Bible of Crime, as if this prophecy in there about them is correct. The Bible was proven wrong about Mannhiem killing Batwoman, so why are they so inclined to be believing it about these guys?

MS: Was the Bible proven wrong about Mannhiem killing Batwoman, or was the prophecy misinterpreted? Keep on reading, gang...

NRAMA: As was revealed, one of the Horsemen, Yurrd was sent ahead...have we seen him/it already in the series? Seen a little of him/it? A lot of him/it? Is someone we know and love not what they're saying they are?

MS: Yes. It's Steve Wacker.

NRAMA: Zing. You know, Steve would only divert and answer with a joke when we were close to something…

MS: Knock knock…

NRAMA: Who’s there?

MS: Ask the next question.

NRAMA: Alright then - we're three weeks after the "Rain of the Supermen" - besides just talk in John's lab in this issue, is there any kind of investigation of what happened going on? Not to necessarily poke at this point with a sharp stick, but why hasn't Batman come to town, or Wonder Woman? They know that Clark is powerless, and they probably have put 2+2 together...

MS: Easy now. You're jumping the gun again. These questions will all be answered beginning in week 39, so you have to wait only a few more days.

NRAMA: On that thread - and this goes to the broader picture...Batman, Superman, and WW acknowledged that basically the Crisis happened because they were not paying attention, were off, too involved in their own stuff to look at the larger picture. Then, at the end of Crisis, they all effectively, go away...and something horrible, i.e., the "Rain" - and coming up, WWIII - happens. Not to be callous, but if we're seeing the DCU turn to crap without the three again, what was the point of Crisis?

MS: To completely simplify it, the point of Crisis was to show the importance of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman, and just what happens to the DCU when the big three don't work together and trust and believe each other. The idea behind 52 is, obviously, what happens to the DCU in a year without Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. As the tag line says, it's "not a year without heroes."

Furthermore, in the year that they are away, things are bound to get a little rough and rocky in the DCU, but the "Rain of the Supermen"--while horrible and tragic--is not of the same magnitude as Infinite Crisis. And as for the upcoming World War of which you speak, all I can say is that you'll have to wait until weeks 50 and 51, and then ask me how that event fits within the greater DCU.

NRAMA: Fair enough. Did we just read Charlie's final words?

MS: Sadly, yes. We have just read Charlie's final words. He's dead, Jim.

NRAMA: At the end there - who's that coming out of the city to Renee and Charlie?

MS: That's Richard Dragon coming out of temples at Nanda Parbat to greet Montoya.

NRAMA: Let’s wrap this puppy up on that sad note – over to you for the tease, as usual…

MS: All right, gang. It was a rough week. The Question died, the Horsemen arrived, and Natasha decided to expose the conspiracy behind Luthor's Everyman Project. What's next, you ask? Well, take a look at this:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Week38/52-Cv39.jpg

That's right. You'll believe that Lex Luthor can fly...assuming, of course, that that's really Lex Luthor on the cover. Intrigued? Interested? Then check out these pages:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Week38/5239.p1.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Week38/5239.p2.jpg

Boy, things aren't looking too good for Infinity, Inc., are they? Well, that's not all that's coming up next issue. We also take a dip in the drink, one of our heroes gets small, and--oh, yeah--someone doesn't make it to week 40, and it ain't who ya think it is!

Speaking of which, none of you armchair internet detectives got last week's clue. The talking bug was an electronic one. It wasn't Ted Kord, Jaime Reyes, Mr. Mind, or Ambush Bug. And, sorry to say, it had nothing to do with Mayan folklore. But if it's any consolation, I thoroughly enjoyed all of your maniacal musings.

That's it for this week, gang. See you next week, when someone will exclaim, "I did find a world of microscopic naked amazons who worship you as a God!"

[yenaled]

So Q died in this issue.

:(

[Purple Man]

Anyone think that famine might be Everyman? The shapeshifter from Infinity Inc. He eats things to change shape, and when Inf Inc got checked out after the rain he wasn't present.

Of course, I personally think it's Isis..

[Darthphere]

Its the ****ing talking Alligator.

[Darthphere]

So Q died in this issue.

:(

I swear to God, if Montoya gets an ongoing as The Question, I will make it my mission to have that book fail. I dont care how petty that is.:cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

[sinewave]

didn't they say something about the 4th horseman having wings?

[sinewave]

I swear to God, if Montoya gets an ongoing as The Question, I will make it my mission to have that book fail. I dont care how petty that is.:cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

in that case, i hope it reaches unbelieveable success. :ninja:

[Darthphere]

in that case, i hope it reaches unbelieveable success. :ninja:

Mission Accomplished.:csad:

[sinewave]

on the topic of the question and renee, i wonder if she comes in contact with bruce wayne since they're both supposed to be in nanda parbat around the same time... i think.

[Darthphere]

on the topic of the question and renee, i wonder if she comes in contact with bruce wayne since they're both supposed to be in nanda parbat around the same time... i think.

Maybe he ****s her straight.:ninja:

[sinewave]

52 times! The mystery of 52 is solved!

[Apprentice]

I swear to God, if Montoya gets an ongoing as The Question, I will make it my mission to have that book fail. I dont care how petty that is.:cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

:up:

[SpideyInATree]

Man, Week 38 was a pretty lackluster week. It just really didn't seem like a whole lot happened in the issue. Maybe it was just me...but I thought this week sucked. :o

And there was still a serious lack of Ralph Dibny and floating Dr. Fate head. DC better get on the ball with that.

[Darthphere]

52 times! The mystery of 52 is solved!

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:


Darthphere gets positive:


The Four Horseman stuff was pretty cool.

[Kitsune]

Man, Week 38 was a pretty lackluster week. It just really didn't seem like a whole lot happened in the issue. Maybe it was just me...but I thought this week sucked. :o

And there was still a serious lack of Ralph Dibny and floating Dr. Fate head. DC better get on the ball with that.

Nope it not just you.


I say the mystery of 52 is "How many roads must a man walk down"

[Memphis Slim]

I swear to God, if Montoya gets an ongoing as The Question, I will make it my mission to have that book fail. I dont care how petty that is.:cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:



FOR THE FIRST TIME...........WE AGREE ON SOMETHING! THIS IS CRAP!!!!:cmad:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0411/15/question4.jpg

There is no other!! Vic Sage is it!!

[yenaled]

Isn't that cover is from the horrid mini series that certainly wasn't Vic Sage.

[The Question]

Yeah. But the art was nice, and some of the characters were kind of cool.

[The Question]

So Q died in this issue.

:(

No. No, he just passed out. He can't be dead. He just passed out! He can't die! It can't happen! NO! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!


NNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! (http://darthno.ytmnd.com/)










....no.


:csad:

I swear to God, if Montoya gets an ongoing as The Question, I will make it my mission to have that book fail. I dont care how petty that is.:cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:


....yes.



We shall wreak a holy vengence upon the Didio. Our wraith will be as pure as light, and as unrelenting as a raging fire. With an army of the demons and the damned, we shall lay wast to ALL we see, leaving nothing but the dead and the dying in our wake. We shall be the hand chosen by the Master! OURS IS THE WHEEL OF BLOOD! OURS IS THE SWORD OF MICHAEL!!!

[Manic]

Y'all better start gathering the Army Of Vic Sage right now, because all signs point to Renee becoming a faceless crimefighter in the near future. And you just know she'll get a monthly.

[Joker]

I would be fine with Renne as Question as a temporary thing, say, as Vic recovers up in the mountains and gets back to being 100%...but permantly, I dont know...it'd have to be written pretty damn good :o

[The Watchman]

Yeah, the reviews for issue 38 weren't too kind.

http://www.dc-kingdom.com/index.php

but flip through the damn thing, it's white snow everywhere...it's racist.:cmad:

[sinewave]

FOR THE FIRST TIME...........WE AGREE ON SOMETHING! THIS IS CRAP!!!!:cmad:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0411/15/question4.jpg

There is no other!! Vic Sage is it!!

yeah, i'm convinced that you're celldog after this post.

[Emerald Knight]

OURS IS THE SWORD OF MICHEAL!!!

I could have sworn Michael was spelled "AEL" but that's just me...having the name and all.


...and even now when people write my name, they get it wrong...:cmad:

...thanks for the childhood flashbacks :(


;)

[SpideyInATree]

I'm with the majority around here. I don't really see what's so great or special about making Montoya the next Question. Nor do I really see what the problem was with the original guy, he seemed to be doing pretty good...well, until cancer...but, you know what I mean.

[The Question]

I could have sworn Michael was spelled "AEL" but that's just me...having the name and all.


...and even now when people write my name, they get it wrong...:cmad:

...thanks for the childhood flashbacks :(


;)

Fixed. Happy?

[Darthphere]

:up:

FOR THE FIRST TIME...........WE AGREE ON SOMETHING! THIS IS CRAP!!!!:cmad:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0411/15/question4.jpg

There is no other!! Vic Sage is it!!

No. No, he just passed out. He can't be dead. He just passed out! He can't die! It can't happen! NO! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!


NNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! (http://darthno.ytmnd.com/)










....no.


:csad:




....yes.



We shall wreak a holy vengence upon the Didio. Our wraith will be as pure as light, and as unrelenting as a raging fire. With an army of the demons and the damned, we shall lay wast to ALL we see, leaving nothing but the dead and the dying in our wake. We shall be the hand chosen by the Master! OURS IS THE WHEEL OF BLOOD! OURS IS THE SWORD OF MICHAEL!!!

Y'all better start gathering the Army Of Vic Sage right now, because all signs point to Renee becoming a faceless crimefighter in the near future. And you just know she'll get a monthly.

I would be fine with Renne as Question as a temporary thing, say, as Vic recovers up in the mountains and gets back to being 100%...but permantly, I dont know...it'd have to be written pretty damn good :o

I'm with the majority around here. I don't really see what's so great or special about making Montoya the next Question. Nor do I really see what the problem was with the original guy, he seemed to be doing pretty good...well, until cancer...but, you know what I mean.

Hold your ground, hold your ground! Sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers! I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of woes and shattered shields, when the age of men comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you *stand, Men of the West!*

[yenaled]

You know, I hate the idea of it, but if Rucka was writing a Montoya Question I'd buy it.

I'm a bad man.

Also Skeets is probably the last horsemen.

[The Question]

No, if Rucka was writing the real Question, you'd buy it. Keep it straight, man! :cmad:

[Darthphere]

You know, I hate the idea of it, but if Rucka was writing a Montoya Question I'd buy it.

I'm a bad man.

Also Skeets is probably the last horsemen.

We have lost you to Sauron.:csad:

No, if Rucka was writing the real Question, you'd buy it. Keep it straight, man! :cmad:

Straight like Montoya.:dry:

[Anti-Moderator]

I'm starting to think DC has really #%&!ed the duck with this series. I haven't been excited about anything they have done in awhile.....but I've gone too far to stop now. :dry:

[SpideyInATree]

I do have to say that in week 38 I was thinking to myself that maybe Montoya is in love with Question and is debating her sexual orientation. No THAT'S a story. If Question makes it out of this alive he could easily get Montoya and Batwoman in a three way. No doubt.

[Tropico]

I don't know what '52' did for Vic/Question, Montoya did all the heavy lifting; he barely did anything. As someone who wasn't interested in the character before and who didn't get swept away by his conspiracy paranoia in the animated version, there was nothing in '52' that made him more promeminent, IMO. I see this revival of interest more due to the JLU cartoon and DC taking advantage of that than any real develpment of the character in '52'.

[Kitsune]

Yeah, the reviews for issue 38 weren't too kind.

http://www.dc-kingdom.com/index.php

but flip through the damn thing, it's white snow everywhere...it's racist.:cmad:

I'm not finding any reviews at the above link.

[Darthphere]

I don't know what '52' did for Vic/Question, Montoya did all the heavy lifting; he barely did anything. As someone who wasn't interested in the character before and who didn't get swept away by his conspiracy paranoia in the animated version, there was nothing in '52' that made him more promeminent, IMO. I see this revival of interest more due to the JLU cartoon and DC taking advantage of that than any real develpment of the character in '52'.

Exposure. Thats all it takes.

[The Question]

I do have to say that in week 38 I was thinking to myself that maybe Montoya is in love with Question and is debating her sexual orientation. No THAT'S a story. If Question makes it out of this alive he could easily get Montoya and Batwoman in a three way. No doubt.

Yes doubt. One of the biggest aspects of Vic's character is that his luck with the ladies is almost non existent.

[SpideyInATree]

Well, me and Vic have something heavily in common then. I'm extremely unlucky with the ladies as well.

[yenaled]

No, if Rucka was writing the real Question, you'd buy it. Keep it straight, man! :cmad:

Yes! I must be true to Vic...

But I'm so tempted by the pull of Rucka. :(

We have lost you to Sauron.:csad:

I am weak :(

Like Sean Bean! Urm, I mean Boromir!

[Kitsune]

Well, me and Vic have something heavily in common then. I'm extremely unlucky with the ladies as well.

I have a similar problem. I apparently oblivious to flirting. I had a girl at work tease me a lot, and I thought she hated my guts and she really liked me.

[yenaled]

Montoya is going to be pissed if she ever met up with Ralph; "oh when I was in Nanda Parbat I met this guy called Accomplished Perfect Physician who said he could cure cancer with a click!"

Maybe they should have asked his address when they were there.

[Manic]

I can see why everyone is pissed, but I honestly have nothing against Renee becoming the new Question. If she got an ongoing title, I'd give it a good 3 issue chance to win me over.

[Fledermaus]

The s#ittiest thing about Renee becoming The Question would be the fact that it took Vic dying and a lesbian taking over to get another Question ongoing.

[Not Jake]

I do have to say that in week 38 I was thinking to myself that maybe Montoya is in love with Question and is debating her sexual orientation. No THAT'S a story. If Question makes it out of this alive he could easily get Montoya and Batwoman in a three way. No doubt.
Oh SIAT, how little faith you have in the platonic male-female friendship:csad:

[Colossal Spoons]

Could I care any less about the mad scientists on Oolong Island? :o

[yenaled]

Urm, yes?

Because EVERYONE loves Dr. Tyme. It's a given.

[BrianWilly]

Hmm.

After this week I'm beginning to give more thought to the notion that Mr. Mind might be Skeets, since Sivana apparently bombarded Mind with...uh, artificial time?

I dunno, I'm still working on it.

[The Question]

Knowing what happened to him in Up Up and Away, I shouldn' be too surprised, but I absolutely hate what's going on with Lex in 52. What the hell is this "I'm Superman" ****? He doesn't hate Superman because he envies him. He hates Superman because he hates superhumans who lucked into their powers in general, feeling that they didn't have to work for what they got and represent the end of humanity's potential as humans become dependant u[on them instead of striving to better themselves, and because he thinks that Superman is a naive optomist with an outdated sense of morality and no idea of how the world really works. This is ****e. Pure and utter ****e.





.....Jesus, that was the nerdiest thing I've ever written. :wow:

[WompuM]

what the hell does artificial time mean anyway???

[BrianWilly]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=100005

5.2 OR SO ABOUT 52 #39 WITH MICHAEL SIGLAIN

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So – while big things were going down in DC’s 52 this week, there still was that “set-up” feeling…that is, by the end of the issue, you know there’s a big fight coming in the next issue…

So what did happen? Dr. Laughlin of the Everyman project blew himself up, the Horsemen left the island, it was revealed that Dr. Magnus has been building his troops, the Horsemen arrive in Kahndaq, Natasha learns that all’s not Jake with Jake, and last but not least, Luthor gets superpowers.

Uh-oh.

So – once again, over to Editor Michael Siglain to talk about this week’s issue, and get a tease for next week…

Newsarama: Okay - Dr. Laughlin killing himself at the start of the issue. Now, there are a couple of options there - was this suicide or a botched sabotage?

Michael Siglain: This is a case of "the best laid plans of mice and men..." Dr. Laughlin didn't intend to kill himself, merely destroy Luthor's lab, as well as all reports, information and evidence associated with Luthor's infamous Everyman Project.

That being said, I think it's safe to say that Dennis knew that his life was on the line.

NRAMA: But his early exit was an accident…

MS: Right.

NRAMA: Over to Ralph and the helmet - for folks who weren't following along in Aquaman - who is that old guy that they run into in Atlantis?

MS: That old, somewhat confused sorcerer whom Ralph and Fate encounter under the sea has a striking resemblance to the former King of the Seven Seas, no? There’s a good bet that we’ll be seeing some more of him come World War III.

NRAMA: Over to the island of misfit scientists - the 52 seconds Doctor Tyme is looking for. Okay - spill a little here - the "missing 52 seconds" have been something mentioned/hinted since the beginning. Where - or when were they, and how would anyone know they were missing?

MS: For an evil villain with time on his mind--literally--it's not surprising that Doctor Tyme would be acutely aware of the missing 52 seconds. It'd be like if you or I lost a week of our life - and not on some wild, border-crossing bender, either.

NRAMA: Don’t know what you’re talking about there…

MS: Right. Anyway - to us, losing a week of time would be obvious, and it's the same deal with the good Doctor Tyme. As for where--and when--we'll see those seconds, we may have already seen them in the DCU, and we'll certainly be seeing them again, but we've got bigger fish to fry first.

NRAMA: So - finally - Mr. Mind...he's mentioned. When will we be hearing about - or seeing him again?

MS: Ah, yes. The internet is a-buzz about the bispectacled worm. I can assure you that the little guy will show up, and perhaps sooner than some of you think, too. I believe the scientists are expecting a fourth for dinner...

NRAMA: If the scientists were gathered primarily to develop and build the Horsemen - what's the big robot in the background behind Morrorw? That giant roboty looking thing?

MS: That's one of Egg Fu's pet projects, which will be used for-- Actually, I can't quite say what he's going to be used for. He's obviously not part of the Four Horsemen, so let's just call him "plan B" for the tyme being...

NRAMA: Misspelling intended?

MS: Misspelling intended.

NRAMA: Dr. Cale - is that regret we're seeing in her eyes?

MS: Indeed it is. She regrets her mispent youth hanging around the Jersey shore, drinking egg creams and chasing boys.

NRAMA: Really?

MS: No! She just unleashed war, famine, pestilence and death on humanity. She has damned herself, and the world. I'd say a bit of regret is definitely in order for Ms. Cale.

NRAMA: What's that on Dr. Magnus' computer screen? Plans?

MS: Plans? For what? What could he possibly be working on? Certainly not something for Egg-Fu or for one of the other mad scientists. Whatever it is, I’m sure he’ll prove his metal.

NRAMA: again, misspelling intended?

MS: Again, misspelling intended.

NRAMA: Osiris has not been seen since #36, with a talking crocodile as the only one saying that he's okay - and keeping others away...not that we're saying anything...but with the paranoia that's building as the series gets closer to the end - are we going to see an appearance by Osiris soon?

MS: Worried that something has happened to Osiris, are ya? C'mon, Matt. Do you really think that we'd do something to a character off-panel? Not a chance. We'll be seeing Osiris again and again and again. Besides, he's not the Marvel you should be worried about...

NRAMA: Okay – but obviously, the BOOM in the Black Adam scene...visitors?

MS: What? That boom is just thunder. God's bowling.

NRAMA: Uh-huh….

MS: Okay - it's something much more ominous and foreboding than mere thunder. It's -- unexpected visitors! The horror, the horror...

NRAMA: Back to the lab - Laughlin's lies about Luthor - was he lying to Luthor (that is, he knew that Luthor could be treated, and wasn't telling him) or was he lying with Luthor, that is, so that anyone listening in would think that Luthor couldn't get powers?

MS: Dennis Laughlin definitely wasn't lying with Luthor, he was lying to Luthor. Dennis was smart enough to know that Luthor is one of the most intelligent, powerful, and evil men on the planet--and that was before the Everyman Project. With actual super powers, Luthor would be unstoppable, and Dennis was doing his absolute best to make sure that Luthor never--ever--found out that he was compatible for the Everyman Project. Dennis knew he was risking his own life, but he was risking it for the greater good. If he could’ve destroyed all evidence and records, then maybe--just maybe--Luthor would have never found out about everything.

Unfortunately, things didn’t go as planned for poor Dennis.

NRAMA: Wait - Nat and Jake...they didn't change clothes in four days? Are they hiding out from everyone inside the building?

MS: Natasha and Jake weren't hiding out--Natasha and Everyman were…

NRAMA: Right, right – so they’re on the run inside Luthor’s building?

MS: Right. And as we saw in this issue, Jake has been dead for some time, and Natasha has been spying on Luthor with Hannibal. And since Everyman was already working for Luthor, they had free reign to sneak around Lexcorp supposedly unnoticed.

NRAMA: Quote marks around “supposedly?”

MS: Right.

NRAMA: Okay - grossness. So - Hannibal can change into others by tasting them, that is, getting some of their DNA...how's he able to change into Natasha?

MS: All Hannibal needs to transform is the slightest bit of DNA from his subject. Way back in week 31, we see Everyman—disguised as Jake--kiss Natasha. Just one drop of saliva was all he needed to complete his transformation so that Natasha could come face-to-face with Natasha.

NRAMA: And now - as per the cover...Luthor has powers?

MS: Yes, Lex Luthor is now a super man, and heaven help Metropolis. And when he flies over the earth, don't expect him to look into the camera and smile.

NRAMA: Over to you for next week's tease...would one assume John isn't going to be pleased with Luthor hurting his niece?

MS: Okay, kids, we've got wall-to-wall action next week as a super-powered Luthor faces off against Steel and the Teen Titans. Here’s a shot of Steel calling Luthor out:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/week39/52-Cv40_t.jpg

And just because it’s that most sacred of holidays—Groundhog’s Day—here are some more swell shots:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/week39/5240.p13_t.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/week39/5240.p15_t.jpg

YOWZA! Looks like one wicked fight. But wait—there’s more! To honor the passing of the late, great Boris Karloff (who died on this date back in 1969), I leave you with this quote from one of 52’s misunderstood monsters: “Those around me will suffer because of it. I am cursed.”

That’s it for me, gang. Time for me to go see my shadow!

[BrianWilly]

What the cck is Steel trying to do, taking on Luthor without his armor?

[Kebab gud]

steel is going against superlex withoput his armor because he is a bad ass..

[Tropico]

This week's 52 has John pouncing on Luthor an it looks like he's steaming because of the sprinklers...maybe he gets the metal skin back provisionally?:o

[Darthphere]

Maybe Steel is now Luke Cage.

[Purple Man]

what the hell does artificial time mean anyway???

I believe they are trying to say that time is made out of particles that move in a linear fashion. Somewhat like the theory that there is a such thing called gravitons controlling gravity.

I'm sure we'll learn the true meaning as the series progresses.

[PWN3R]

Even though I saw the reveal coming 52 miles away, the page with Everyman showing his identity to Natasha was fun stuff.

[Eros]

I guess we know why Lex acts like a circus Clown one year later.

[SpideyInATree]

Pretty decent week this week. A much larger improvement from the previous week. We finally had a Ralph Dibny/Dr. Fate floating head appearance this week but it was extremely brief. And Lex Luthor with Superman's powers seems kind of...well, weird. Did I miss something somewhere because I always thought that Lex Luthor's motivation in disliking Superman was that he thought superpowers were stupid, lame, and any other adjective demeaning superpowers?

[The Question]

I guess we know why Lex acts like a circus Clown one year later.

Yeah. Geoff Johns was writing him.

[Anubis]

Pretty decent week this week. A much larger improvement from the previous week. We finally had a Ralph Dibny/Dr. Fate floating head appearance this week but it was extremely brief. And Lex Luthor with Superman's powers seems kind of...well, weird. Did I miss something somewhere because I always thought that Lex Luthor's motivation in disliking Superman was that he thought superpowers were stupid, lame, and any other adjective demeaning superpowers?


I wouldn't say that. I've always seen it as more of a jealousy thing. Simple as that. Why should this do gooder get god like powers and I, Lex f**king Luthor, don't? It's not like if he was offered powers he'd turn them down or anything. He's not Batman, he's Lex Luthor. He craves power. Now he's got it. Real power. I don't see where the confusion comes from.

[Darthphere]

Yeah. Geoff Johns was writing him.

Oh snap! QFT!:wow:

[Pksoze]

Pretty decent week this week. A much larger improvement from the previous week. We finally had a Ralph Dibny/Dr. Fate floating head appearance this week but it was extremely brief. And Lex Luthor with Superman's powers seems kind of...well, weird. Did I miss something somewhere because I always thought that Lex Luthor's motivation in disliking Superman was that he thought superpowers were stupid, lame, and any other adjective demeaning superpowers?


Lex was justifying himself... he's jealous of Superman...and distrusts Supes altruistic motivations.

[Kitsune]

I wonder how long those powers will stick? I don't see Luthor as keeping them permanently.

Anyone else notice how morbid 52 has gotten? First it was Captain Comet, then Skyman being eaten by Everyman.

[BrianWilly]

Plus, Lex did earn his powers for himself, in a way. He built his empire, he brought the science together, he came up with the ideas, and he's the single hand behind everything in this Everyman Project. Him, a "lowly," ordinary human, worked and strived until he too could be Superman. Isn't that the epitome of his goals and motivations? He hates Superman because Superman completely restrains mankind's potential, or so he says. Well, Lex is now forwarding mankind's potential in a bigass way, even if "mankind" refers to just himself. It's probably his version of ultimate good, ultimate victory.

[Eros]

]I wonder how long those powers will stick? I don't see Luthor as keeping them permanently. [/B]

Anyone else notice how morbid 52 has gotten? First it was Captain Comet, then Skyman being eaten by Everyman.

Are you kidding me, how can you wonder about such an obvious thing?:huh: Have you not read One year later comics at all:huh:

[Varient]

Interesting.

Is this a return to Irons Metahuman status as per his short running series?

Prior to 52,... he was stated as being a metahuman because he could apparently call his armor into being around him in times of trouble.

[Kitsune]

Are you kidding me, how can you wonder about such an obvious thing?:huh: Have you not read One year later comics at all:huh:

Teen Titans is about all I've read on a regular basis

[Jono87]

Teen Titans is about all I've read on a regular basis
You need to go pick up the "Up, Up, and Away" trade then don't you?

[Horseman Gambit]

Anyone else notice how morbid 52 has gotten? First it was Captain Comet, then Skyman being eaten by Everyman.

Don't forget about Black Adams shenanigans

[TheCorpulent1]

It hasn't really been overwhelmingly morbid, though. It's had a lot of light bits, too. I'm surprised by how balanced it's been, actually, given that it seems more and more like 52 was basically just another excuse to clean house by killing off a bunch more characters and grooming their replacements, not unlike the IC/OYL transition.

[The Question]

Plus, Lex did earn his powers for himself, in a way. He built his empire, he brought the science together, he came up with the ideas, and he's the single hand behind everything in this Everyman Project. Him, a "lowly," ordinary human, worked and strived until he too could be Superman. Isn't that the epitome of his goals and motivations? He hates Superman because Superman completely restrains mankind's potential, or so he says. Well, Lex is now forwarding mankind's potential in a bigass way, even if "mankind" refers to just himself. It's probably his version of ultimate good, ultimate victory.

True. Superman's powers were basically handed to him on a silver platter, as Lex sees it, while Lex had to work for them.

[Eros]

True. Superman's powers were basically handed to him on a silver platter, as Lex sees it, while Lex had to work for them.


Well when you have billions of Dollars,ceated super powered warriors, and was once the president of the U.S., gaining super powers cannot be considered hard.

[The Question]

But all the stuff he had to do to get to the point where he could create super humans was hard.

[Eros]

But all the stuff he had to do to get to the point where he could create super humans was hard.


Lex could of gotten super powers anytime he wanted to. Both pre-crisis and post-crisis versions.

[The Question]

Lex could of gotten super powers anytime he wanted to. Both pre-crisis and post-crisis versions.

So, when Lex was a poor kid growing up in Suicide Slum, he could have gotten super powers? As I said, everything he had to do to get to the point where he was able to create super humans was extremely hard. You try and create a multi-billion dollar technologies conglomorate with the best geneticists on the planet working for you and tell me how easy it is.

[Eros]

So, when Lex was a poor kid growing up in Suicide Slum, he could have gotten super powers? As I said, everything he had to do to get to the point where he was able to create super humans was extremely hard. You try and create a multi-billion dollar technologies conglomorate with the best geneticists on the planet working for you and tell me how easy it is.


If Barry allen can get powers in a police Lab accident, Lex luthor getting them should not be hard.

[The Question]

If Barry allen can get powers in a police Lab accident, Lex luthor getting them should not be hard.

That was a one in a million accident that could easily kill someone if they tried to recreate it in a back alley in Suicide Slum. You are drastically oversimplifying things.

[Eros]

That was a one in a million accident that could easily kill someone if they tried to recreate it in a back alley in Suicide Slum. You are drastically oversimplifying things.

:whatever: No its a comic book dude, people get powers all the time in stupid or improbbale ways. Lex Luthor easily could of been hit by a vat of chemicals as a child, and made into a super powered Juggernaut. Hell if we use birthright Lex and Pre-crisis Lex, he could of gotten powers while working in his smallville science Lab.

[batnkevlar]

Plus, Barry Allen's CANNOT be recreated... the Speed Force sought him out, and the Speed Force found him...

[batnkevlar]

:whatever: No its a comic book dude, people get powers all the time in stupid or improbbale ways. Lex Luthor easily could of been hit by a vat of chemicals as a child, and made into a super powered Juggernaut. Hell if we use birthright Lex and Pre-crisis Lex, he could of gotten powers while working in his smallville science Lab.

Yeah, anything can happen to anyone in like, an ELSEWORLD, but in this universe, Lex could not give himself powers...

[The Question]

:whatever: No its a comic book dude, people get powers all the time in stupid or improbbale ways. Lex Luthor easily could of been hit by a vat of chemicals as a child, and made into a super powered Juggernaut. Hell if we use birthright Lex and Pre-crisis Lex, he could of gotten powers while working in his smallville science Lab.

Yeah, but thoe would have been freak accidents. I'm talking about him giving himself or others superhuman abilities. And recreating freak accidents like that when you have no money or resources is highly dangerous and will probably kill you.

[Eros]

Yeah, but thoe would have been freak accidents. I'm talking about him giving himself or others superhuman abilities. And recreating freak accidents like that when you have no money or resources is highly dangerous and will probably kill you.


No in a comic book they give you super powers.

[batnkevlar]

No, because then there wouldn't be an Everyman Project... if people could just shock themselves and get electric powers... ya know? Super powers are only given in certain circumstances...

[Eros]

No, because then there wouldn't be an Everyman Project... if people could just shock themselves and get electric powers... ya know? Super powers are only given in certain circumstances...

Lab accidents-
Chemical spills-
BOMB explosions-
Radoiactive insects-
Near dead aliens with a power Rings-
Mythic gods-
Lab accidents repeated-
Near dead superhero giving you powers-
Dr.Doom
chemicals falling onto your eyes-
Magical african artifacts-
Being kidnapped by aliens-
Gamma Rays-
eletrical power cords-
being giving Robot parts-
evil docters experimenting on you

[batnkevlar]

The point is, even with experiments and such, a small percentage get powers... the rest die or something...

[Eros]

The point is, even with experiments and such, a small percentage get powers... the rest die or something...

who has died?

[The Question]

No in a comic book they give you super powers.

They might, under very uinque and specific circumstances. But trying to recreate freak accidents like that in a back alley in Suicide Slum could very easily and probably would result in your death. You are over simplifying things.

who has died?

All the people who got into wierd accidents and didn't thier own comic books in the DCU. Do you really think that the only scientific accidents in the DCU are the ones that result in super powers?

[Eros]

All the people who got into wierd accidents and didn't thier own comic books in the DCU. Do you really think that the only scientific accidents in the DCU are the ones that result in super powers?


Just Name me some people who has died of Lab accidents in DC?

[The Question]

Just Name me some people who has died of Lab accidents in DC?

I can't name any off the top of my head. But to asume that all lab acidents in the DC universe result in super powers is idiotic.

[Eros]

I can't name any off the top of my head. But to asume that all lab acidents in the DC universe result in super powers is idiotic.

Almost as dumb as a lab accident giving you super powers in the first place.:whatever:

[The Question]

Almost as dumb as a lab accident giving you super powers in the first place.:whatever:

No. It is infinitely more stupid.

[Eros]

No. It is infinitely more stupid.


Like you said you can only get super powers by feak accidents.:o

[TheCorpulent1]

That's not the only way. There's technology, alien heritage, cloning, magic, and a slew of other ways to get them, too.

[The Question]

Like you said you can only get super powers by feak accidents.:o

That's not what I said and you know it. I said that you cited freak accidents as easy ways to get powers, and I said that trying to recreate them with no money or resources in a back alley would be suicidal.

[Eros]

That's not what I said and you know it. I said that you cited freak accidents as easy ways to get powers, and I said that trying to recreate them with no money or resources in a back alley would be suicidal.

Where do you get this back alley from? Most versions of Lex had his on Lab as a Teen.

[PWN3R]

If there is one thing I've learned from my time at SHH, it is simply not to question The Question.:up:

[Eros]

If there is one thing I've learned from my time at SHH, it is simply not to question The Question.:up:


He seems content to try and put logic in how people get super powers in comic books.

[WompuM]

Didnt that scientist die THIS week in a lab accident?

[BrianWilly]

^Yeah, he did.

Mr. Freeze's lab accident didn't give him any superpowers; all it did was to make it so that he would die unless kept in sub-zero temperatures.

And here's Detective Chimp telling us exactly just how likely it is to actually get powers from a lab experiment.
http://www.sequart.com/members/graphics/17/HelmetOfFateDetectiveChimp_prev6.jpg

To assume that lab accidents would somehow give you superpowers instead of killing you is a sort of stupid not usually seen in humans. If it were that easy to become superhuman, every scientist in the DCU would be out there flying instead of working in their labs.

[WompuM]

the nurse in "sky high" put it best. "When kids are bitten by a radioactive spider, or fall into toxic waste, they gain their powers overnight.... or they die"

[The Question]

Where do you get this back alley from? Most versions of Lex had his on Lab as a Teen.

The current version has him being raised in Suicide Slum. Birthright has been, thankfully, thrown out due to Lex being from Smallville's stupidity.

[sinewave]

the nurse in "sky high" put it best. "When kids are bitten by a radioactive spider, or fall into toxic waste, they gain their powers overnight.... or they die"

or they turn into.... THE DRIZZLE!!!!

(can't find a picture... :( )

[WompuM]

..... i dont get it?

[sinewave]

sorry, it was an ATHF reference. it would have worked better with a picture.

[Brian Braddock]

That's not the only way. There's technology, alien heritage, cloning, magic, and a slew of other ways to get them, too.


Not to mention beating a few supervillains in a poker game and winning the objects which give them their powers:-

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/rjkk.jpg


Hell, If Wally Tortolini could do it, it should have been a breeze for Luthor.

;)

[rigel7soldiers]

....Am I the only one who couldn't care less about what's going on on Oolong Island? I don't even feel like I'm supposed to, or anything, either, it's going nowhere. I don't know... since when was I supposed to care about Will Magnus or Dr. Death, in the first place?

[batnkevlar]

Well, ever since the Four Horsemen, the upcoming Metal Men, whatever the Plan B is, and the missing 52 seconds... yeah, that's probably some interesting probabilities...

[Eros]

^Yeah, he did.

Mr. Freeze's lab accident didn't give him any superpowers; all it did was to make it so that he would die unless kept in sub-zero temperatures.

And here's Detective Chimp telling us exactly just how likely it is to actually get powers from a lab experiment.
http://www.sequart.com/members/graphics/17/HelmetOfFateDetectiveChimp_prev6.jpg

To assume that lab accidents would somehow give you superpowers instead of killing you is a sort of stupid not usually seen in humans. If it were that easy to become superhuman, every scientist in the DCU would be out there flying instead of working in their labs.


Its a comic book, and that means its not real. Their are many dumb ways to get super powers in comics, Lab accidents is one of them....deal with it.

[BrianWilly]

And lab accidents are not a safe way to get super powers, in the comics, so claiming that Lex Luthor could have gotten powers any time he wanted just by blowing up a lab or something makes no sense.

[Eros]

And lab accidents are not a safe way to get super powers, in the comics, so claiming that Lex Luthor could have gotten powers any time he wanted just by blowing up a lab or something makes no sense.


But that talking chimp who solves mysteries in your pic does?

[batnkevlar]

We're talking COMIC BOOK sensibility, so yeah, a talking chimp makes sense, but blowing up each and every lab resulting in super powers DOES NOT...

[Eros]

We're talking COMIC BOOK sensibility, so yeah, a talking chimp makes sense, but blowing up each and every lab resulting in super powers DOES NOT...


What kind of "Logic" is that LOL?:whatever: To quote from a smart hype user:
" It's a comic.....
It's freakin' fiction...

Supes' muscle structure is fake...
flying men in tights are Fake...
Talking simian detective solving mysteries is fake.......

These things don't require 100% logic.

You know why?

THEIR FAKE."

Dogs with super powers, guys turning into dinosaurs, and you dare try an bring Logic to comics?